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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Full Council Meeting on Monday 25th of October 2021 at 6.30pm
A
Thank
you.
Okay.
Members.
Welcome
to
our
full
council
meeting
on
monday
25th
of
october,
I'm
going
to
call
upon
councillor
sorry,
alderman
spears,
she's,
going
to
say
a
few
words
about
delete,
charlie
rollston,
who
is
a
former
mayor
of
irma.
B
Lord
murr,
I
I
do
show
a
mentioned.
The
name
of
the
late
charles
rosen,
with
a
great
sense
of
sorrow
and
sadness.
Charlie,
had
been
a
lifelong
friend
of
mine.
B
I
had
known
him
for
most
of
my
life
him
and
I
had
a
privilege.
We
both
shared
a
common
aunt
and
uncle.
Hence
we
would
have
been
in
contact
from
our
early
years.
Charlie
was
a
very
talented
man.
In
many
ways
he
was
a
tremendous
singer
and
a
tremendous
musician
and
he
played
in
killer
silver
band
for
nearly
all
his
life.
B
He
was
in
it
from
he
was
very,
very
young,
and
that
bond,
as
anyone
would
know,
is,
plays
a
very
important
role
in
that
community
in
many
charitable
events
and
services,
and
whatever
right
run
that
tillallay
from
solemn
community
charlie
had
been
a
prominent
member
of
the
young
farmer's
club
and
played
a
very
active
role
in
in
community
life,
and
subsequently
it
was
elected
to
arma
city
and
district
council
in
1993
and
served
for
right
up
until
2011.,
and
he
was
there
for
18
years
and
he
had
or
we
had,
the
privilege
of
having
charlie
as
the
mayor
of
arma
city
and
district
in
the
year,
2007-8
charlie
was
a
dedicated
unionist
one
of
nature's
gentlemen
and
I,
on
behalf
of
myself,
the
ulster
universe
party
extend
to
his
wife,
iron
and
family
and
family
circle,
a
very,
very
wide
family
circle,
our
deepest
sympathy
on
this
very
sad
occasion
and
indeed
untimely
death
taken
from
us
early.
C
Thank
you
just
from
our
own
party's
perspective,
I'd
like
to
reiterate
it's
been
said
there
by
alderman
spears
as
one
of
the
former
councillors
in
irma
city.
The
district
council
has
served
with
charlie,
had
the
privilege
of
serving
alongside
him
and
for
a
number
of
years
in
the
old
council,
and
it
certainly
was
a
shock
to
hear
that
he
had
passed
away
because
I'd
only
only
a
few
short
weeks
ago.
I
had
met
him
in
the
street
and
we
have
done
him
and
he
hadn't
seen
me
and
then
he
waited
till.
C
It
went
back
to
my
office
and
then
he
had
come
in
and
apologized
to
me
for
not
seeing
me
and
he
had
what
a
great
conversation
and
he
was
so
full
of
energy
and
played
holiday,
and
it
was
just
a
real
shock
to
learn,
then
that
he
had
passed
away.
So
so
suddenly,
because
I
know
he
had
plans
and
and
his
farmers
are
not
ever
retire
and
they
don't
really,
but
he
had
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
joy
in
it
and
his
heart
and
he
was
definitely
full
of
life
at
that
stage.
C
So
it
really
really
is
a
shock
lord
marty,
to
to
have
learned
that
he
had
passed
away
and
we
myself
and
my
colleague
william,
attended
the
funeral
and
certainly
was
a
nice
tribute
to
his
life,
and
he
made
a
great
impression
on
a
lot
of
people.
He
was
a
former
lord
murderer,
as
a
alderman
spears
has
said,
and
he
is
definitely
a
loss
to
your
wider
community.
D
E
Like
thank
you,
lord
mer.
I
would
just
like
to
concur
what
alderman
spears
has
said
as
a
close
colleague
of
the
late
charlie
rosen.
I
also
had
the
pleasure
of
serving
and
the
our
master
in
district
council
for
many
years
with
charlie,
and
I
have
al
always
found
him
to
be
a
good
friend
and
colleague,
and
it
clearly
was
a
great
shock
when
it
learned
of
his
relatively
sudden,
passing
and
obviously
a
great
shock
to
to
the
wider
community
in
general.
E
Charlie
was
held
in
the
various
highest
esteem,
not
just
by
us
who
were
in
the
chamber,
but
also
within
the
community,
and
he
always
had
a
very
good,
strong
local
support
base
out
there
at
each
election
and
it's
a
great
loss
to
the
wider
community,
but
most
of
all
to
his
family
to
his
wife
and
his
family.
And
I
would
just
like
to
offer
my
deep
assemblies
to
them
at
this
time.
Of
such
a
tragic
loss
of
charlie.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
also
on
behalf
of
our
party.
Sinn
fein
would
like
to
extend
our
sympathies
to
the
rollson
family.
When
I
first
come
to,
council
are
my
council
in
2008,
I
believe
charlie
was
the
chair
and,
and
everyone
remembers
their
first
council
meeting,
and
I
do
remember
his
words
and
making
me
welcome.
So
I
got
to
thank
him
for
that
and
just
again
to
really
reiterate
our
face
and
he
was
genuinely
nice
man
and
you
know
a
pleasure
to
work
with
in
those
years
in
our
mount
council.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
Yes,
on
behalf
of
the
our
alliance
group,
I
would
like
to
offer
our
sincere
condolences
and
our
thoughts
are
with
his
friends
and
the
wilson
family
at
the
sad
time.
Thank
you.
H
You,
lord
mayor,
just
the
same
from
our
own
part
of
the
sdlp.
I
served
with
charlie
for
a
year
in
irma
and
he
was
a
good
man
to
work
with.
As
I
said,
mary
thoughts
on
her
all
our
prayers
are
with
his
family
and
amy's
daughter-in-law
joy
very
well.
So
I
didn't
realize
that
godfrey
was
married
also
to
a
dollar
daughter,
so
I
can
go
into
all
the
family.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
mcniel,
thank
you
members.
Unfortunately,
I
didn't
know,
charlie
wilson
and
on
behalf
of
council,
lady
sammy
did
something
to
erin
his
wife
and
his
family
and
weather
family
circle.
Members
want
to
move
on.
To
apologies.
Can
I
open
to
the
floor?
Anybody
with
apologies.
Please.
A
A
A
Thank
you.
Members.
We've
gone
to
agenda
item
five
committee
minutes.
Can
I
seek
a
proposing
seconder
for
the
minutes
of
the
environmental
services
committee
held
on
the
3rd
of
october,
be
taken
as
we
had
on
approved
cracked
record.
A
Alderman
kennedy
proposed
by
alderman
kennedy
because
you're
greenfield
you're
the
face
chair,
happy
second
and
second
bay,
chester
greenfield
oliver
wilson.
Do
you
want
to
speak
on
this.
C
Thank
you,
lord
man.
It's
just
regarding,
I
suppose,
one
of
the
biggest
pieces
of
work
that
we're
you
know
finally
getting
very
very
close
to
undertaking,
and
that
is
the
rule
out
of
the
new
recycling
and
then
collection
service,
particularly
in
the
in
the
greater
arma
area
that
hasn't
had
that
areas.
You
know
we
haven't
had
a
as
you
know,
the
same
type
of
services
as
other
parts
of
the
borough
have
enjoyed
for
some
time,
and
it's
really
just
to
seek
an
update.
C
I
know
there's
a
date
of
the
8th
of
november
circulated
for
a
start
to
the
the
new
green
bin
service.
That
was
in
the
result,
after
the
consultation
with
the
public,
which
was
resoundingly
in
favor
of
that
service,
and
I
was
just
wondering
have
we
an
update?
I
know
there
was
at
the
end
of
the
8th
in
november.
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
people
asking
you
know.
When
are
we
getting
the
detail
of
collection
schedules?
C
People
are
having
the
ongoing
issues
with
the
kirby's
and
mine
wasn't
empty
today
again
either.
So
that's
sort
of
an
ongoing
thing
now
and
people
are
very
keen
to
recycle
and
it
just
I
just
feel
with
every
week.
That's
passing
where
there
is
service
disruption,
we're
losing
some
of
that
momentum,
and
I
know
people
are
starting
to
fill
their
green
bins
at
the
minute.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
quickly
get
a
message
out
there
of
a
number
of
people
also
who
haven't
received
their
green
bin.
We
got
double
the
agree.
C
We
got
a
double
drop
off,
so
we
had
to
come
back
and
pick
up
a
set,
but
other
areas
haven't
got
and
started.
We
process
myself
and
trying
to
countless
people
in
terms
of
who
he
has
and
who
hasn't
got,
because
I'm
not
sure
how
council
is
coming
to
the
conclusion
that
people
have
or
haven't
received
their
been
other
than
you
know,
calling
on
people
to
to
ring
them
if
they
haven't
received
their
their
new
recycling
collectors.
C
So
if
we
could
get
a
wee
bit
of
clarity
on
that
on
some,
you
know
indication
as
to
when
and
they
can
expect
through
the
post
to
receive
the
detail
on
the
various
collections
guys.
I
think
one
of
three
bins
now,
as
opposed
to
one,
so
I'm
expecting
a
schedule
from
a
black
bin,
the
green
minima
brain
then
it's
just
other
people
are
in
the
same
boat,
just
wondering
when
we're
getting
that
detail,
because
it
is,
people
are
keen
to
get
started
on
it.
So,
thanks
for
any
and
who
I
can
provide.
A
I
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
thank
you
alderman
wilson
for
for
the
question
there.
So
yes,
you're,
you're
right
the
new
program
does
roll
out
on
the
8th
of
november
in
relation
to
the
calms,
the
leaflets
and
that
should
be
going
out
to
all
of
the
high
schools.
This
week,
they've
been
really
sent
to
royal
mail,
so
they'll
be
doing
the
distribution
there.
The
majority
of
the
bins
have
been
delivered,
but
there's
just
a
few
that
are
finishing
off
this
week
as
well,
so
hope
that
that
update
is
helpful.
Alderman
wilson.
E
Thank
you,
lord
martin.
Thank
you
sharon.
I
would
agree
with
alderman
wilson
in
relation
to
this.
This
has
been
a
massive
issue
in
the
crucial
reward
of
no
doubt
in
irma
as
well,
for
those
who
who
have
the
the
bryson
boxes.
I
know
where
I
live
around
laurel
vale.
It
had
been
three
weeks
I,
since
we
had
our
boxes
and
in
fact
I'm
guilty
of
of
starting
to
use
the
green
bin
for
me,
overflow,
each
other
use
the
green
bin
or
put
them
into
our
black
bins,
which
then
we're
not
recycling.
E
A
lot
of
people
are
forced
to
do
that,
and
I
have
been
speaking
to
senior
officers
in
relation
to
looking
at
even
bringing
that
eighth
of
november
forward,
if
at
all
possible.
So
I
I
would
like
that
confirmed.
If
that
is
something
that
is
being
considered.
I
appreciate
there's
still
areas
out
there.
E
I
appreciate
some
awesome
tasks
and
love
criticizing
their
staff
because
it's
a
very
large
area
to
cover,
but
I
would
like
to
see
that
if
we
could
bring
this
forward
from
the
8th
of
november,
I
know
I
haven't
that
far
to
go,
but
it's
been
a
complete
nightmare.
This
past
three
four
weeks
for
a
lot
of
her
residents,
who
are
paying
rates
like
everybody
else,
but
that
service
hasn't
been
there.
I
appreciate
it's
not
our
fault.
E
I
appreciate
that
the
staff
at
bryson
many
of
them
have
left,
but
the
the
reality
is
that
it's
a
recycling
crisis
out
there.
If
we
don't
deal
with
this-
and
I
know
people
have
been
taking
them
to
the
local
amenity
sites,
but
not
all
have
been
doing
that.
So
I
would
like
to
see
if,
if
that
still
has
been
considered
trying
to
bring
that
forward
from
the
8th
of
november.
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
I
I
There
have
been
a
lot
of
difficulties
in
terms
of
the
price
and
service
and
we're
in
regular
communication
with
bryson
on
that,
and
I
suppose,
if
members
have
any
further
information
in
relation
to
that,
we'll
certainly
continue
to
feed
that
through
to
bryson,
but
suppose
the
date
that
we're
working
to
is
is
the
thumb,
the
communication,
the
leaflets
everything
is,
and
the
training
and
the
delivery
plan
is
all
based
around
that
which
is
very,
very
close.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Sean
alderman's
fears,
lord
mayor.
B
There's
two
points
I
want
to
follow
up
on
number
one,
the
point
that
has
just
been
raised.
I
I've
had
quite
a
lot
of
problems
in
in
recent
times
with
the
the
bryson
house
issue
and
data
corresponded
with
mark
parkinson
and
others
in
in
relation
to
this
in
in
right
across
my
particular
patch,
but
hopefully
we're
thankfully
we're
coming
to
the
end
of
that.
I
I
know
the
correspondence
that
went
out
to
people
or
the
the
leaflet
drop
or
or
whatever
prior
to
the
delivery
of
the
new
brown
and
green
bins.
B
People
are
asking
the
question
and
I
don't
know
whether
we
have
got
the
answer
or
will
a
council
have
as
yet?
What
day
are
we
going
to
be
lifting?
Has
that
been
arranged
or
what's
what's
the
the
the
time
skill?
That's
the
question
I'm
ask
most:
do
I
put
my
ben
out
on
the
same
day
or
the
same
day
as
my
my
kirby
boxes,
and
I
would
seek
clarity
on
that.
That's
point
number
one.
The
other
point
I'll.
Let
others
speak
on
that.
B
B
It's
something
that
obviously
in
this
part
of
the
united
kingdom,
there
will
be
need
to
have
a
major
observation
of
this
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
food
that
is
potentially
going
to
be
manufactured
in
republic
of
ireland
and
yet
brought
in
to
northern
ireland
to
feed
animals.
It's
currently,
as
per
the
new
regulations
in
europe,
it
is
possible
to
have
this
in
animal
food
and
there
are
a
number
of
manufacturers
in
the
irish
republic
that
do
sell
their
product
in
northern
ireland.
B
So
it's
something
that
we
need
to
be
very,
very
much
alert
to
and
be
in
a
position
to
follow
up.
I
know
that
and
I've
read
the
report.
I
know
that
it's
indicating
that
it's
anticipated
that
another
bunch
of
that,
but
there
is
more
of
animal
food
that
is
manufactured
in
the
republic
that
is
now
being
sold
in
northern
ireland.
So
it's
something
we
cannot
be
allowed
to
take
our
eye
off
that
ball.
A
I
Yes,
thank
you,
lord
maron.
Thank
you,
alderman
spears,
the
communications
leaflet
that
I
mentioned
earlier
that
will
have
the
dates
for
the
collections
and
the
day
so
that
of
the
bin
collections.
That's
actually
been
issued
all
householders
this
week.
D
A
J
Happy
to
propose
a
managed
chair,
although
when
I
proposed
I'd
like
to
come
in
and
speak
down
initially,
thank
you.
K
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
I
think
country
nicholas
having
some
technical
difficulties
there,
but
lord,
not
a
member
of
the
planning
committee,
but
having
been
a
member
of
the
planning
committee
and
gone
through
the
training
to
sit
on
the
planning
committee
and
listen
to
many
hours
of
information
on
code
of
conduct
and
from
legal
advisors,
and
things
like
that.
L
Can
you
imagine
my
surprise
when
I
looked
at
the
minutes
on
prc,
2,
4,
2012,
2021,
strategic
planning
policy
on
hydrocarbons,
when
country
lavari,
as
the
chair
of
the
committee,
attempted
to
force
through
a
proposal
to
oppose
fracking
within
the
borough
and
to
ban
fracking
throughout
northern
ireland,
which
would
no
doubt
put
the
planning
committee
in
a
very
close-minded
position
when
it
would
come
to
any
potential
future
applications
on
this
subject.
L
I
do
note
that
the
head
of
planning
at
that
particular
time
echoed
the
concerns
raised
by
alderman
wilson
that
the
committee
needed
to
ensure.
So
these
are
from
the
minutes.
L
If
you
permit
me,
the
committee
needed
to
ensure
it
did
not
place
a
council
in
an
invidious
position,
which
it
could
do
if
it
created
a
perception
that
it
had
a
predetermined
planning
applications
for
fracking,
even
though
an
application
may
never
come
to
adopt
such
a
position
at
this
time
could
show
the
committee
as
having
a
closed
mind
on
those
matters
which
could
result
in
potential
legal
implications
for
the
council.
L
It
was
also
then
added
that
the
head
of
planning
would
appreciate
some
legal
opinion
on
the
matter,
and
his
remarks
were
echoed
by
the
council's
legal
adviser,
and
she
said
the
comments
made
by
the
head
of
planning
the
members
had
to
ensure
any
application
coming
before
the
committee
could
not
be
deemed
as
being
predetermined.
What
was
being
considered
with
an
open
mind
to
avoid
any
potential
future
litigation.
L
It's
very
very
clear
to
me
and
any
member
who
sits
on
the
planning
or
has
sat
on
the
planning
and
has
done
the
training
they'll
be
talking
almost
about
a
committee
that
does
have
delegated
authority
to
make
these
decisions
so
had.
I
guess
this
have
gone
through
on
the
evening.
I
suspect,
then
technically
there
could
have
been
a
situation
where
the
council
had
already
predetermined
against
advice
position
on
fracking.
L
So
I
am
raising
the
concern
and
surprise
that
the
committee
chair
could
not
read
the
environment
that
he
was
in
on
facilitating
and
hearing
the
head
of
planning
and
continued
to
pursue
the
agenda
of
writing
to
the
minister
setting
out
very
clearly
council's
position
such
matters
I
was
pointed
out
by
the
vice
chair
and
others,
but
it
is
for
this
council
this
forum
here
to
determine
whether
councilor
lavry
a
you
know
would
argue,
of
course,
that
the
committee
was
only
making
a
recommendation
to
this
forum,
who
would
then
ultimately
have
to
agree,
but
he
had
tied
the
whole
entire
plan
and
committee
together
on
an
issue
to
try
and
pre-determine
the
outcome,
regardless
of
your
view
and
fracking.
L
This
is
not
what
this
is
about.
This
is
about
trying
to
cajole
the
planning
committee
into
making
a
policy
decision
on
the
hoof.
It
is
absolutely
scandalous
that
he
was
prepared
to
put
the
rest
of
the
committee
in
that
position
and
that
when
they
raised
issues
and
concerns
and
with
the
head
of
planning
and
the
borough
solicitor
would
raise
those
concerns
that
he
pursued
that
agenda.
It
is
absolutely
a
gross
error
of
judgment
on
the
part
of
the
committee
chair
country
library.
It
is
a
schoolboy
error.
L
At
the
very
least,
it
is
a
deliberate
attempt
to
put
the
council
at
risk
of
legal
of
legal
or
judicial
proceedings
at
worst
and,
of
course,
we
can't
neglect
the
fact
that
two
other
councillors
and
both
gen
fee
and
counselors
were
prepared
to
vote.
L
That
proposal
through,
thankfully,
the
rest
of
the
committee
seemed
since
I
would
put
on
record
my
concerns
about
that
issue
and
ask
that,
if
needed,
be
that
maybe
the
committee
chair
might
want
to
undertake
some
further
training
in
relation
to
the
conducting
of
business
of
the
planning
committee,
because
any
of
the
rest
of
us
know
that
that
is
not
something
that
should
be
taken
lightly.
I
am
concerned
for
other
colleagues
in
this
chamber
who
were
put
in
that
position.
Some
called
for
unnecessary
and
it
was
ill-advised.
J
J
The
item
was
raised
in
relation
to
an
item
of
correspondence
which
came
in
from
I
believe
it
was
dfi
relating
to
fracking
and
other
petroleum
license
issues
again
at
that
time.
I
should
be
a
word
sure
you
were
there.
I
proposed
that
sort
of
two
things
that
the
council
take
a
position
to
be
completely
opposed
to
any
former
fracking
within
our
beautiful
borough,
and
the
second
point
was
to
send
a
letter
to
the
appropriate
minister
to
request
that
a
complete
ban
is
imposed
on
fracking
across
northern
ireland.
J
Again,
I
don't
have
to
discuss
the
you
know:
strong
environmental
negatives
of
fracking
on
petroleum
exploitation
as
we're
all
aware
of
it
and
the
damage
it
does
to
our
local
environment
and
indeed
to
local
communities.
Now,
as
mentioned,
there
was
a
good
debate
on
the
issue
which
I
was
happily
to
facilitate
as
chair
and
are
sort
of
two
streams
of
thought,
and
I
suppose
that
people
were
opposed
to
what
I
was
putting
forward.
One
was
in
relation
to
that.
J
If
an
application
did
come
to,
the
committee
would
kind
of
be
able
to
decide
it.
There
were
sort
of
two
things
related
to
that.
Firstly,
there
is
no
live
application
linked,
fracking
or
similar,
so
there's
nothing
new,
no
interest
to
declare,
and
secondly,
if
an
application
was
submitted,
it
would
highly
highly
likely
be
considered
to
be
reasonably
significant
application
and
proceed
to
department
of
infrastructure
to
take
a
decision
on
it,
the
same
as
the
likes
of
the
north,
south
interconnector
and
so
on
and
they'd.
I
can't
recall
the
likes
of
it.
J
Wasn't
the
south
loch
ness
petroleum
thing
that
happened
a
couple
of
years
back?
It
would
have
impacted
multiple
councils
and
any
likely
fracking
application
would
impact
multiple
councils
also,
so
it
would
not
be
up
to
any
individual
council
to
decide.
So
I
was
content
to
proceed
on
that
issue
and
the
second
issue
that
was
sort
of
raised,
whether
or
not
it
was
the
committee
was
the
appropriate
place
to
discuss
this
issue
again.
J
I
think
there
was
a
hint
that
anything
that
comes
in
terms
of
kinds
of
policies
should
be
decided
and
brought
through
a
notice
of
motion
which
I
find
to
be
pretty
laughable,
and
indeed
I
looked
up.
The
number
of
decision
item
recommendations
that
are
coming
to
us
at
council
tonight
from
the
various
committees
and
there's
51
51
items
that
will
either
set
update,
review
and
implement
kinds
of
policies
across
the
entirety
of
the
organization.
J
J
So,
lord
mayor,
I
would
like
to
put
my
proposal
on
the
floor
again
that
I'll
just
notice
here
that
it
has
two
parts
that
council
tech
view
that
we
are
completely
opposed
to
any
form
of
fracking
taking
place
in
our
borough,
and
the
second
part
is
to
request
that
we
write
to
the
minister,
the
appropriate
minister,
not
a
complete
ban,
be
imposed
in
fracking
in
northern
ireland.
If
anyone
would
like
to
second
that,
thank
you.
A
N
Thank
you,
lord
just
for
point
of
clarity
in
ancestry
refers
to
north
south
interconnector,
and
it
currently
did
take
a
decision
to
oppose
it.
But
we
followed
the
due
process
and
what
actually
happened
was
that
the
rules
of
motion
went
in
my
name
to
council
and
that
a
boat
was
taken
at
all
kinds
of
that
is
due
process.
N
And
if
councillor
larvae
is
willing
to
put
a
notice
of
motion
before
council,
it
can
then
encompass
the
support
of
others
for
one
I
can
put
on
record.
We
support
the
sentiments
of
counsel
and
relation
to
opposition
for,
but
we
have
to
do
it
in
in
the
right
way,
and
so
I
would
be
deeply
concerned
at
the
way
the
full
cells
was
trained
to
be
hijacked
and
and
through
actual
committee.
N
There
is
a
due
process
and-
and
if
you
get
that,
if
you
don't
follow
due
process,
you
come
to
the
wrong
decision.
And
so,
as
just
for
point
of
accuracy,
council
did
take
a
position
against
the
north
south
and
it's
connected.
And
that
was
non-trivial
motion
and
my
name
and
a
former
councillor
campbell
and
I
believe
that
it
actually
passed
through
cancer.
O
Okay,
thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
it's
just
it's
all
noticing
I
think
main
reason
of
it
is
and
I've
never
shot
in
the
planet
can
be
ignored
on
the
training,
but
I
think
I
know
enough
that
you
have
to
sit
as
an
independent,
impartial
member
on
the
planning
committee.
I
think
council
libraries
completely
completely
missing
the
point
and
he's
in
very
very
dodgy
territory.
O
I
would
like
to
see
or
hear
some
legal
advice
on
the
planet
because
I
don't
sit
in
planet,
I'm
not
just
exactly
sure,
but
my
opinion
is
my
reading
of
it
is
when
you
sit
on
the
planning
committee,
you
have
to
take
each
application
and
treat
it
impartially,
and
how
can
you
be
impartial
whenever
you
meet
if
you're
going
to
try
to
cajole
a
committee
into
taking
a
particular
stance
on
an
issue,
especially
in
the
head
of
planning
and
as
they're
advising
against
I'd,
be
very
very
concerned
that
this
is
coming
from
the
chair
of
planning
head
of
a
planning
committee?
O
I
don't
know
if
the
legal
advisor
is
in
the
meeting
tonight,
our
own
legal
advice,
possibly
not,
but
before
we
take
a
view
on
this
or
I
would
like
some
legal
advice
on
the
particular
issue.
You
know
because,
as
counselor
cosby
actually
see
this
and
it's
not
about
fracking
fragments,
not
the
issue,
it's
about
the
process
about
your
role
as
a
planning
committee
member
and
you
know
not
having
had
the
training
you-
and
I
know
that-
there's
something
very,
very
strange
about
what's
being
proposed
here.
Thank
you.
A
P
Thank
you,
lord
mayor
and
good
evening
members.
The
council's
lustre
isn't
available
tonight
members,
but
I
would
like
to
advise
that
the
committee
will
need
to
decide
any
application
to
the
planning
committee
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
its
members
are
aware
of
the
impartiality
role
of
the
planning
committee
and
has
to
consider
any
issue
in
relation
to
that
as
well.
A
B
As
is
clear
in
the
legal
advice,
I
think
you
know
he's
just
in
my
opinion
he's
trying
to
hide
his
embarrassment
at
on.
He
knows
at
this
particular
point
who
doubt
that
he
was
probably
silly
to
press
it
so
far,
and
I
certainly
have
no
desire
to
shield
his
embarrassment
in
any
sense,
and
I
will
not
be
nor
my
party
will
not
be
supporting
his
recommendation
at
this
particular
time.
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
you
chair.
I
wish
first
of
all
the
second
country
lover's
proposal.
I
think
the
eminent
point
here
and
on
council
muhammad
referred
to
is
that
this
there
is
president
for
this,
because
the
council
actually
did
take
a
view
on
the
north
south
interconnector
project.
So
there
is
that's
the
entire
point.
There
is
precedent
for
council
taking
a
corporate
view
on
these
kinds
of
issues,
and
I
understand
if
there
are
some
plan
members
who
were
reluctant
and
to
take
a
view
for
fear
of
appearing
to
have
a
closed
mind
in
committee.
Q
But
tonight
we
are
at
full
council,
so
we
do
have
the
opportunity
to
take
that
decision.
I'm
very
clear.
I
have
a
closed
mind
on
fracking
to
a
certain
extent
of
random
manifestos
with
the
commitment
within
there
to
oppose
fracking.
Q
It's
probably
about
for
that
reason
that
any
of
these
decisions
would
have
to
go
to
the
department
anyway,
and
if
council
has
a
corporate
stance
against
fracking,
then
the
department
would
have
to
take
that
decision,
and
so
I
think
we're
dancing
in
the
head
of
a
pin
we're
trying
to
use
process
to
get
out
of
what
seems
to
be
a
tricky
situation
for
some
members.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
if
you're
opposed
to
fracking,
it
should
be
straightforward
for
you
to
take
the
view
that
the
local
authority
should
be
totally
against
fracking.
Q
We
all
have
talked
about
ad
nauseam
about
climate
issues
in
this
council,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
hard
graph
taking
the
council
position
and
ensuring
that
we
make
representations
on
behalf
of
the
people
we
represent,
there
seems
to
be
some
kind
of
sticking
point
here.
So
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say
lord
mayor,
that
there
is
president
for
this
haven't
been
done
and
we
are
in
full
council
tonight,
and
policy
of
council
is
created
both
through
committee
and
through
notice
of
motion.
Q
So
I
think
we
just
need
to
bite
the
bullet
now
and
make
up
our
minds.
We've
had
these
odd
these
arguments
before
about
council
taking
a
position
on
fracking
and
it
always
comes
down
to
these
procedural
wranglings
and
when
we
have
it
within
our
gift
to
do
it
tonight.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
tennyson,
as
there
has
been
a
proposal
on
a
seconder
that
I
believe
will
have
a
direct
influence
on
the
the
planning
committee.
I
will
be
calling
upon
the
tabby
lord
mayor
to
take
over
the
vote
and
I'll
be
stepping
out
of
the
committee.
So
can
I
ask
the
deputy
lord
mayor
councillor,
donnelly
to
to
step
in
please.
D
L
Lord
mayor,
the
point
of
order
is
point
of
order.
23
on
members
conduct.
L
I
am
concerned
that
we
have
seen
the
legal
opinion
and
advice
from
senior
staff
contained
within
the
minutes
for
the
planning
regulatory
services
committee,
and
I
am
concerned
that
we
have
a
real
shotgun
attempt
here
at
pushing
and
cajoling
the
council
into
possession-
and
I
said
before
this
is
not
about
fracking.
This
is
an
attempt
to
willfully
ignore
the
advice
of
our
planning
solicitor
and
I
am
uncomfortable
with
that.
L
I'm
uncomfortable
with
members
of
the
planning
committee
doing
that
and
in
fact
I
genuinely
wish
that
country
lottery
would
understand
that
what
I
am
trying
to
get
him
to
stop
doing
is
for
even
his
own
good.
In
this
place
point
of
order.
L
23
members
must
have
due
regard
to
the
provisions
of
the
northern
ireland
local
government
code
of
conduct
for
councils
in
relation
to
their
conduct
during
the
whole
of
the
proceedings
of
a
meeting
of
the
council
or
its
committees,
and
I
would
draw
your
attention
to
page
of
the
local
government
code
of
conduct,
subsection
four
rules
of
general
conduct.
Your
obligations
as
a
counsellor
under
4.1
countries,
hold
public
officers
under
the
law
and
must
act
a
lawfully
be
in
accordance
with
the
code
and
say
in
accordance
with
the
standing
orders
of
your
council.
L
So
I
am
saying
I
am
absolutely
concerned
that
we
are
in
this
territory
that
country
lottery
is
in
this
territory
and
it
is
not
the
first
time
that
we
see
on
printed
media
country,
lavery,
voting
and
planning
on
a
personal
view
with
a
personal
view,
and
if
he
would
like
the
details
after
this
meeting
and
happily
provide
them
to
him
of
a
case
where
he
voted
according
to
his
personal
preference.
Not
to
what
the
planners
recommended,
that
is
also
in
defiance
of
planning
policy
and
the
code
of
conduct
for
councillors.
L
I
am
cautioning
him.
I
am
asking
him.
Please
desist
for
your
own
good
and
pay
attention
to
what
the
borough
solicitor
is
saying:
you're,
playing
a
dangerous,
dangerous
game
country
library
on
this
issue,
particularly
in
your
capacity
as
chair
of
the
committee,
we
can
have
all
the
debates
about
claiming
emergencies
and
we
can
have
all
the
debates
but
fracking
at
another
stage.
That's
fine,
but
it
just
means.
L
Then
you
are
then
able
to
take
a
decision
that
when
you
get
into
the
planning
committee,
if
something
to
that
effect
would
come,
then
you
can
absent
yourself
from
it
and
somebody
else
can
then
do
it
with
an
open
mind,
take
decisions
based
on
planning
policy,
which
is
what
the
regulations,
the
law
and
the
code
of
conduct
says
that
you
should
do.
I'm
cautioning
you
I'm
feeling
to
you.
Please
do
not
make
a
ricky
mistake.
L
J
A
J
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
I
appreciate
you
giving
me
the
opportunity
for
a
ride
to
apply
here.
Well,
I
think
of
a
situation
where
some
people
are
playing
them
on
not
the
ball.
There's
been
personal
attacks
against
my
integrity.
I've
been
called
names
and
it's
quite
unbecoming
of
a
number
of
of
councillors
to
do
so,
rather
than
speaking
to
the
issue
itself,
I'm
happy
enough
to
say
you
know
that
when
we
were
speaking
about
the
sun
committee,
we
weren't
talking
about
any
particular
plan.
You
know
proposals
that
would
happen.
J
You
know
after
4
p.m,
at
the
normal
council
meeting
meetings
or
plan
meetings,
so
I
felt
no
interest
that
and
had
no
need
to
declare
an
interest,
and
indeed
I'd
be
happy
to
say
that
you
know
each
and
every
member
of
the
planning
committee
takes
their
own
decision
when
planning
applications
come
before
them
at
committee.
If
a
planned
application
did
come
the
force
committee
I
and
the
data,
all
our
counsellors
have
to
decide
whether
or
not
they
can
take
part
in
that
meeting
again.
J
You
know,
for
example,
my
party
has
a
position
against
sprec
and
other
parties
have
a
position
against
dragon.
Does
that
mean
at
that
stage?
We
also
have
to
you
know
not
be
able
to
take
part
in
that
meeting.
So
again,
you're
asking
you
know
members
of
planning
committee
to
declare
an
interest
in
the
planning
application
that
doesn't
actually
exist.
So
I
don't
know
how
that's
possible,
and
just
in
the
second
thing
you
know,
they're
talking
about
councils
and
southern
president
and
all
this
all
our
councils
in
the
uk
have
taken
formal
stances
against
tracking.
J
We
are
doing
nothing
different
here,
so
I
don't
know
what
the
fuss
is
all
about.
Again,
I,
as
concert
hanson,
said
it's
a
fairly
straightforward
issue
if
you're
against
fracking
and
vote
against
it
and
support
my
proposal.
That's
all
I'd
like
to
add
lord
man.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
come
in
and
speak
again
on
the
sushi.
Thank
you.
A
R
D
S
Lord
mayor,
it's
roger
in
the
council
chamber,
if
there
are
any
lights
come
on
in
here
during
this
part
I'll,
let
you
know
of
those
as
well.
S
Daddy,
lord
bar,
I
don't
see
any
more
lights
on
on
this
particular
issue.
One
hand
up
counselor.
N
Yeah,
I
know
in
the
absence
of
the
borough
solicitor
tonight
on
this.
Maybe
our
chief
executive
could
give
us
some
direction
in
relation
to
the
the
direction
in
relation
to
where
this
steps
in
terms
of
council
policy
and
has
it
followed,
has
due
process
been
followed
in
order
in
order
to
formulate
a
council
policy.
S
Advice
would
be
consistent
with
that
of
the
head
of
planning
and
also
the
solicitor
at
the
meeting.
The
integrity
of
the
planning
committee
has
always
been
what
has
been
sacrosanct,
and
the
advice
is
very
much
on
the
case
by
case
basis
that
each
application,
irrespective
of
the
issue,
must
be
considered
on
its
own
merits.
I
know
at
the
planning
committee
meeting
there
was
a
discussion
as
well
around
wind
turbines
and
previous
view
that
a
member
had
who
would
have
withdrawn
from
the
meeting
during
those
because
of
the
view
and
opinion.
S
So,
lord
mayor,
our
deputy
lord
mayor,
at
my
view,
would
be
consistent
with
that
of
the
head
of
planning
and
the
legal
advice
provided
at
the
meeting.
R
Okay,
okay,
so
can
we
move
on
to
vote?
Oh
no,
sorry,
alderman
anderson.
M
O
Thank
you,
debbie
lord
meredith,
and
in
terms
again
of
the
discomfort
I
have
around
this
whole
process
that
we're
actually
engaging
in
here.
It's
very
preference
not
even
to
take
part
in
this
at
all.
But
if
we
look
at
page
number,
eight
of
the
country's
code
of
conduct
rules
related
to
decision
making
and
I'll
draw
your
attention
to
8.1
a
and
b
I'll
just
read
them
when
participating
in
meetings
or
reaching
decisions.
O
Regarding
the
business
of
your
council,
you
must
a
do
so
objectively
on
the
basis
of
the
merge
of
the
circumstances
involved
and
in
the
public
interest
and
b
have
regard
to
any
relevant
advice
provided
by
your
council
officers.
I
think
that's
key,
in
particular
by
the
chief
executive,
the
chief
financial
officer,
where
it
was
appropriate
or
the
council's
legal
advisor,
and
I
think
part
b.
There
is
key
members
and
have
creative
concerns.
R
Councillor
baxter
counselor,
tennyson,.
Q
Thank
you
deputy
lord
mayor.
It
is
just
a
touch
on
that
point
and
the
advice
that
we
have
been
given.
I
mean
I
think,
first
of
all,
it's
very
clearly
in
the
public
interest
for
us
to
oppose
fracking.
Second
of
all,
what
we've
been
told
in
terms
of
advice
is
that
applications
must
be
considered
on
their
merit
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Q
So
it's
for
individual
members
of
the
planning
committee
to
ensure
that
they
are
considering
obligations
on
their
merit
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Council
having
corporate
policy
in
opposition
to
fracking
doesn't
actually
necessarily
directly
prevent
applications
from
being
considered
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
because
all
we
are
doing
is
writing
to
the
department
to
ask
for
a
ban
we're
asking
for
a
ban
at
a
a
regional
level.
Q
We're
not
actually
saying
we
will
never
vote
for
an
application
that
comes
forward
plus,
there's
also
the
opportunity
and
for
members
of
the
planning
committee,
who
feel
that
would
prejudice
their
decision
to
excuse
themselves
and
from
this
decision,
of
course,
and
to
ensure
that
they
would
be
able
to
approach
any
applications
that
come
forward
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
But
as
I
say,
much
of
this
is
quite
mute
and
irrelevant
and
a
misnomer,
because
a
fracking
application
would
not
be
considered
by
this
council.
Q
T
Thanks
deputy
lord
mark
just
a
point
for
clarity.
I
don't
know
if
the
chief
executive
can
answer.
There
was
a
similar
notice
of
motion
brought
forward
in
october
2020
on
fracking
on
all
planning
committee.
Members
excuse
themselves
from
taking
part
in
that
debate
or
christopher
and
avery,
and
so
just
and
that
was
given
on
legal
advice
on.
If
the
chief,
exactly
just
clarification,
the
planning
committee
members
should
take
part
in
a
possible
vote
which
seems
to
be
going
to
happen.
Thanks.
S
Thank
you,
deputy
lord
mayor.
Certainly
in
the
past
there
have
been
instances
when
the
planning
committee
members
have
withdrawn
during
such
votes.
S
Sorry
debbie,
laura
murray,
I
also
have
counselor
cosby,
has
raised
his
hand
in
the
chamber.
L
Thank
you,
deputy
dormer,
and
just
you
know
I
mean
the
members
of
the
planning
committee
are
not
voting
on
a
policy
issue
here.
What
they're
saying
is
what
you're
trying
to
do
country
library
is
not
the
right
thing.
We
want
to
keep
an
open
mind,
so
we
don't
think
we
should
be
writing
to
the
minister,
so
they've
already
taken
that
view
in
the
committee.
L
What
we're
what
counselor
lavery
is
trying
to
do
is
overturn
a
recommendation
from
the
committee
and
so
would,
in
my
view,
be
appropriate
that
they
would
vote
to
support
the
position
of
already
adopted.
However,
councillor
kennison,
I
think,
is
now
dancing
on
the
head
of
a
pen,
as
he
said
in
his
own
words,
because
maybe
there's
some
trying
to
rule
back
because
he
said
we
are
not
proposing
to
upon
within
the
borough
you
are.
That
is
what
the
first
part
of
your
proposal
is.
L
It
is
to
post
fracking
within
the
bar,
and
the
second
part
is
to
propo
oppose
it
throughout
northern
ireland.
So
it
is
the
case.
There
are
two
parts
to
it.
That
is
what's
happening
here
and
I
have
never
in
the
10
years.
I've
been
an
elected
member,
seen
such
a
kamikaze
approach
and
disregard
to
legal
of
legal
opinion
and
to
senior
officer
advice.
L
I
would
caution
you,
you
are
on
very
unsafe
ground.
This
is
not
about
a
planning
application
now
currently
in
the
system.
This
is
about
about
you
prejudicing
a
decision
that
could
yet
come.
You've
been
advised
against
it
by
three
senior
officials,
one
of
whom
is
a
solicitor,
a
planning
solicitor,
one
who,
I
am
quite
sure,
is
more
qualified
to
make
assessments
on
this
than
the
two
alliance
counselors,
who
are
taking
a
reckless
and
dangerous
approach.
L
The
it
just
beggars
belief
that
the
amateur
approach
that
you're
taking
it.
I
would
caution
you
again
against
it
and
I
am
sure
if
some
of
your
senior
party
officials
or
counselors
or
mlas
would
be
listening
in
to
the
debate.
L
Q
Q
I've
considered
the
advice
and
I'm
making
a
decision
on
the
basis
and
of
weighing
up
that
advice
myself
as
an
elected
member
as
to
what
I
believe
to
be
in
the
interests
of
the
people
that
I
represent,
and
I
think
country
cosby
is
actually
extrapolating
the
advice
beyond
what
we've
been
given.
Nowhere
have
we
been
explicitly
explicitly
told
whether
to
or
do
or
do
not
do
something?
We've
been
given
advice
to
consider
and
informing
our
decision.
Q
Q
S
Deputy
lord
mayor
of
alderman,
wilson
in
the
chamber.
C
Thank
you,
deputy
lord
mayor,
and
you
know
I
felt
the
minute
itself
was
concise
enough
and
I
think,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
the
media
also
reported
pretty
succinctly
on
the
issue
as
well,
and
I
suppose
in
hindsight
it
would
have
been
very
useful
to
have
legal
representation
here
this
evening,
because
the
issue
in
maybe
is
pretty
clear-cut,
and
the
issue
is
with
the
planning
committee.
It's
not
with
the
council
corporate
and
as
counselor
hanlon
has
said.
That
is
the
route
that
whoever
wishes
to
take
such
a
route
should
take.
C
I'm
not
going
to
man
play
or
anything
else
that
has
been
stealing
I'm
going
to
mention
names,
and
so
that
accusation
then
cannot
be
leveled.
It
is
a
simple
issue
if
we
take
a
position
as
a
planning
committee,
that's
contrary
to
all
the
legal
training
we
received,
and
that
means,
if
we
do
so
that
basically
an
application
could
be
submitted
to
this
council's
abc
council's
own
planning
committee
and
it
would
not
be
heard
or
taken.
C
That
is
a
major
issue
that
is
a
legal
calamity
in
my
book
and
would
leave
us
all
at
serious
risk
of
not
fulfilling
our
duties
as
a
planning
committee.
That
does
not
go
without
saying
that
we
have,
or
could
have
or
through
the
exploration
of
such
a
planning.
Application
arrive
at
a
particular
point
of
view
or
a
decision
by
a
vote
if
it
needed
be.
Should
the
committee
be
split
on
an
issue
regarding
petroleum
exploration?
C
That's
fine,
but
we
cannot
basically
install
a
stop
sign
in
this
committee
for
a
particular
application.
That
was
the
basis
I
would
say,
of
our
barrister-led
training
that
we
sat
through
for
many
many
hours,
and
I
really
just
can't
understand
and
the
direction
that
this
has
taken.
I
thought
it
had
been
made
really
really
clear
by
our
legal
representation
that
we
have
at
the
meeting
that
we
rely
on
and
we're
duty
bound
to
take
on
board.
We
take
it
on
board
for
all
other
issues
at
suffice.
C
In
those
circumstances
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
faciface
now,
and
I
just
wonder
why.
That
is
it's
bizarre
and
that
is
not
any
slate
on
any
individual.
That
is
raising
a
question.
I
just
find
the
situation
bizarre,
I'm
not
comfortable
with
it
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be.
I
think
the
proposal
needs
to
be
removed
from
the
table,
and
it
needs
to
be
approached
with.
Some
sense
is
what
needs
to
happen
and
counselor
ohana
has
perfectly
laid
out
the
should.
R
U
R
U
R
R
S
Deputy
lord
mayor,
obviously
councillor
nicholson,
is
having
problems
with
a
signal.
Every
lord
I'm
looking
around,
there
are
no
more
lights
on
in
the
council
chamber
and
there
are
no
further
hands
that
are
up.
If
you
want
to
move
to
the
vote
now
deputy
lord
mayor,
there
has
been
a
request
for
a
recorded
vote.
S
I'm
conscious
that
you,
you
may
not
have
access
to
the
voting
page
so
if
it
would
make
it
easier
for
you,
I'm
happy
to
call
out
the
names
each
time
and
that
recorded
on
your
behalf
and
then
once
we
have
the
result
at
the
end
it
can
can
let
you
know
what
that
is
w
lord
mayor.
S
And
the
the
record
that
I
have
is
that
the
proposal
is
twofold:
it
is
the
opposition
of
fracking
within
the
council
area
and
then
secondly,
to
write
to
the
minister
to
oppose
fracking
throughout
the
rest
of
northern
ireland.
S
Unless
councilor
lavery
wants
to
correct
me-
and
that
is
what
members
will
be
voting
on.
S
M
Thank
you.
I
I
haven't
been
happy
with
the
way
this
to
be
at
this
moment
in
the
planning
committee
and
also
here
tonight,
but
I
will
be
taking
the
advice
that
has
been
given
to
us
through
the
planning
committee
and
here
tonight
I
I
will
be
voting
no
on
for
that
reason,
but
I'm
finally
unhappy
with
the
way
this
has
gone
forward
tonight.
Thank
you.
O
K
Y
R
W
R
F
H
H
P
W
H
C
AA
C
Thank
you,
I'm
on
the
advice
of
the
legal
solicitor
and
member
of
the
planner
committee
and
views
have
been
made
known
in
the
committee
and
in
this
chamber
tonight
and
in
wider
media
circulation
I'll
be
voting
now
to
preserve
the
integrity
of
the
planning
committee.
S
S
S
Okay,
deputy
lord
mayor,
I
have
the
result.
Those
voting
in
favor,
yes,
were
11.
Those
voting
no
were
26
and
those
abstaining
were
two.
Therefore
the
proposal
falls.
S
It
was
a
recorded
vote
deputy
lord
mayor,
so
I'll
read
out
the
names
accordingly,
those
who
voted
yes,
councillor,
duffy
councillor,
hawking
councillor,
keating,
councillor,
lowry,
councillor
mackel,
councilman,
mcgowan,
councillor,
mcnally,
counselor,
nelson
councillor,
pope
councillor
tennyson
and
deputy
lord
mayor,
those
voting,
no
alderman
anderson,
councillor,
baxter
councillor,
berry
alderman
burns,
counselor,
cosby,
counselor,
flackery,
councillor
greenfield
alderman
kennedy,
councillor
larkham,
benjamin
mccauley
councillor
michael
linton,
councillor,
mcclelland,
councillor,
magelroth,
councillor
mckinstry,
benjamin
mcneil,
alderman,
mutray
country
nicholson,
council,
hanlon,
councillor
o'neill,
alderman,
rankin,
councillor,
kyle,
savage
alderman,
spears,
councillor,
tinsley,
alderman,
twybel,
alderman,
wilson,
councillor
wilson
and
those
abstaining
councillor,
kevin
savage
and
councillor
tomlin,
so
debbie
lord
mayor,
that
is
the
result
11
for
26
against
and
two
abstentions.
S
Thank
you
roger.
If
you're
happy,
debbie
dortmur,
I
can
ask
the
lord
murray
to
come
back
into
the
chamber.
N
M
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
as
just
reference
prc,
203
2021
in
relation
to
the
developments
in
the
countryside,
and
can
I
say
that
I
find
much
welcome
that
the
minister
has
to
say
that
long
last
to
withdraw
this
planning
advice,
note.
It
was
something
that
was
causing
grave
concern
within
our
communities
within
our
rural
communities
and,
quite
honestly,
it
was
something
that
we
had
to
it
was
imposed
upon
us
in
the
planning
committee.
We
had
much
debate
on
the
planning
committee.
M
We,
as
a
planning
committee,
objected
to
the
way
this
has
been
brought
forward
and
indeed
lack
of
consultation
in
relation
to
this,
and
we
we
live
viewed
and
others
did
tell
you
that
this
was
restricting
in
some
way
building
in
the
rural
areas,
and
it
was
causing
great
concern
to
too
many,
especially
young
people
who
are
looking
to
build
on
the
family
farms
on
on
twitch
like
the
way
the
the
the
the
psc
cam
came
about,
as
I
said,
was
very
disappointing
and
really
unfortunate
on.
M
I
say
the
ulster
farmers
union
and
many
others
on
other
councils
provider
for
buying
ourselves
were
much
against
this
and
what
what
we
see
here
is
something
maybe
being
brought
upon
us
where
really
it
has
been
brought
with
lack
of
consultation,
and
I
know
my
colleague
on
the
chair
of
the
infrastructure
committee,
jonathan
buckley
mla
was
very
much
at
the
forefront
as
well
to
ensure
that
we
got
this
withdrawn
and
even
it
did
come
on
a
lit
stage.
M
I
I
welcome
the
fact,
and
I
would
think
that
the
message
needs
to
go
back,
that
decisions
like
this
coming
from
the
minister
is
unwelcome.
It
doesn't
make
our
job
any
easier
and
has
that
detrimental
effect
on
our
rural
community.
So
that's
all
I'd
like
to
say,
but
I
want
to
say
I'm
glad
this
is
being
withdrawn
and
hopefully
that's
where
it
stays.
Thank
you.
A
A
Q
H
K
Thank
you,
chair,
lcs,
155
2021.
Please.
K
K
K
Y
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Yes,
just
confirmed
that
it
would
be
universal
charges,
confirm.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
No
other
speakers.
We
all
agreed.
That's
great.
Thank
you
faith
point
four.
Can
I
get
a
proposal
on
second
order
for
the
minutes
of
economic
development,
the
regeneration
committee
held
on
the
12th
of
october
to
be
taken
as
read
and
approved
as
a
correct
record
counselor
michael
london,
near
the
chair
of
committee,
super
posture
attack
on
the
chair
and
second
bay,
alderman
metric.
Thank
you
very
much.
Members.
AD
Thank
you.
Lord
mer
item
84
edr
140
rural
christmas
events,
you'll
see
from
the
minutes
at
the
committee
meeting
I
did
raise
that
refreiland
and
guilford
b
also
extended
the
christmas
drive-in
movies.
AD
V
N
Laura
just
on
the
same
issue-
just
I
don't
know
if
any
of
us
can
give
us
an
update
today
and
first
of
all,
to
thank
julian
and
adam
for
their
work
and
bringing
this
forward.
But
in
relation
to
the
licenses
for
these
events,
we
were
advised
initially
that
it
could
be
anything
up
to
60
days,
but
they
were
hoping
that
the
events
could
be
out
a
pre-christmas
and
I
know
they've
been
working
on
their
own
securing
sites.
P
Yes,
lord
mayor,
the
the
officers
are
working
away
on
the
identification
of
the
sites
and
also
the
licenses,
so
we
can
send
a
an
update
out
to
members
in
relation
to
that
process
and
in
relation
to
alderman
burns
request.
AA
Thank
you
very
much,
lord
maura,
and
for
that
mistake
I
just
I
would
like
to
thank
the
council
officers
working
with
myself
and
my
colleague
councillor
greenfield
on
councillor
baxter
outsourced,
I've
sourced
a
site
within
ruth
ryland
for
the
for
this
drive-in
movie,
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
develop
that
on
that
it
will
be
going
ahead
at
some
stage
over
the
christmas
period.
Thank
you.
A
V
Well,
something
was
so
hands
up,
but
yes,
I
was.
I
was
aware
that
the
site
was
sorted
so
just
in
case
there
was
any
need
for
a
segment.
So
I'm
happy
enough.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
calling
no
more
hands
up.
We
all
agreed
easy.
Thank
you
very
much.
Members
we've
got
the
5.5.
Can
I
get
a
proposal
in
secondary
for
the
minutes
of
the
governance
on
resources
and
strategy
committee
held
on
the
13th
of
october,
be
taken
as
read
and
approved
as
a
correct
record?
Counselor
mcclelland,
you
are
the
chair
and
all
the
one
twill
you're
the
face
chair.
A
A
A
J
Thank
you,
lord
meredith,
in
relation
to
items
of
correspondence,
6.4
and
6.5,
which
are
from
the
executive
office
and
department
of
justice
respectively.
I'd
like
to
thank
them
for
giving
those
responses
as
it
followed
in
relation
to
a
notice
of
motion.
I
brought
back
over
the
summer
in
relation
to
the
illegal
erection
of
paramilitary
murals
facades
and
memorials
throughout
the
borough.
Again,
it's
good
to
see
that
there
is
work
going
on,
but
certainly
as
an
organization.
I
think
we
can
do
more.
J
So
I'd
like
to
put
a
proposal
on
the
floor
in
relation
to
planned
enforcement
cases.
As
you'll
be
aware,
there
are
a
number
of
ongoing
plan
enforcement
cases
relating
to
the
illegal
erection
of
these
power
military
objects.
Unfortunately,
these
are
the
deadlock
as
it
seems
that
officers
aren't
willing
to
take
the
decision
in
line
with
you
know
the
delegated
authority,
if
there
is
any
breaches
of
planning
registration,
so,
like
a
report
back,
be
brought
back
on
the
issue
to
the
appropriate
body
in
relation
to
you
know.
J
L
Thank
you,
lord
mer.
Can
we
then
also,
in
addition
to
that,
seek
a
risk
assessment
on
behalf
of
the
officers
to
ensure
that
those
dealing
with
these
so-called
illegal
paramilitary,
murals
and
facades,
and
whatever
else
they
may
be,
be
completed
to
ensure
that
our
officers
are
safe
and
secure
in
their
role
in
the
country
they're
up
most
to
protect
them
from
any
potential
consequence
that
could
erase
from
an
attempt
to
remove
these?
Now?
L
Of
course,
we
have
to
take
cognizance
to
the
fact
that
these
things
are
illegal,
but
we
also
have
to
take
account
of
the
fact
that
law-abiding
citizens
do
not
erect
these
things
either.
So,
therefore,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
an
appropriate
security
assessment
done
on
behalf
of
our
officers
before
that
they
go
out
to
look
at
anything
to
do
with
these
things.
A
A
I'm
second
by
alderman
kennedy.
Thank
you
very
much
members.
We
all
agreed.
I
look
great.
Thank
you.
Okay,
we're
gonna
move
into
confidential
business.
I
seek
our
proposer
on
secondary
to
go
into
committee
for
consideration
of
confidential
items
of
business
proposed
by
councillor
baxter,
signed
by
alderman
kennedy,
okay,
members
and
listeners
to
the
audio
feed
in
accordance
with
schedules.
Schedule.
6
of
the
local
government
act
accept
information.
We
will
now
be
moving
at
the
confidential
session
of
the
council.
This
means
that
will
be
turned
off
the
public
audio
fade
of
the
meeting.
A
A
O
Over
the
last
number
of
years,
members
will
be
aware
of
the
the
many
requests
that
come
in
to
to
eliminate
council
buildings
to
highlight
a
particular
cause
or
charity
wherever
it
may
be,
and
I
think
without
a
formal
decision
of
counsel
and
the
general
practice
is
that
it's
emailed
out
to
party
group
leaders
99.9
well,
usually
100
of
the
time
party
leaders
just
got
back
in
the
affirmative.
I
was
done
and
without
question
there.
O
O
Unfortunately,
when
the
email
came
out,
we
all
replied
in
the
affirmative,
with
the
exception
of
sinn
fein
who
took
a
very
petty,
narrow-minded,
sectarian
republican
view
that
we
want
to
be
inclusive
as
long
as
it
doesn't
include
unionism.
O
The
unionism
makes
up
the
majority
of
this
borough
and
I
think
shin
finn
scored
a
very
petty
own
goal
by
not
agreeing
to
eliminate
the
buildings
here
for
for
one
night
in
green
and
blue
to
mark
the
centenary,
which
is
very
important
to
a
large
proportion
of
people
within
this
borough,
and
I
appreciate
that
not
everybody
sees
that,
but
I
think
you
have
to
show
respect
for
for
others
and,
of
course,
when
connie
house
put
out
the
that
councils,
weren't
allowed
or
shin
fee
encounters
weren't
allowed
to
do
it.
O
But
it
was
very
disappointing
that
our
council
didn't
partake
in
that
eliminating
of
the
buildings
right
across
and
the
united
kingdom.
So
I
want
to
propose
that
we
do
market
and-
and
we
do
do
this-
albeit
late-
I
was
trying
to
think
of
a
date
or
when
we
could
do
it.
O
I've
seen
the
light
and
shadows
today,
but
I
think
I
haven't
discussed
it
with
my
group
and
discussed
it
with
others,
and
I
would
like
to
propose
that
that
this
council
eliminates
all
kinds
of
buildings
and
whatever
other
building,
isn't,
I
think,
maybe
there
more
via
docker.
I
think
that's
maybe
done
as
well
or
wherever
jonathan
he
is.
If
he's
here
we'll
know
what
buildings
can
be
done,
I
would
like
to
see
them
all
done
for
because
of
centenary,
something
significant,
but
with
a
hundred.
O
So
maybe
my
thought
and
proposal
would
be
that
we
do
it
for
a
hundred
hours
and
my
suggestion
is
that
that's
ten
hours
a
night,
so
let's
do
it
from
ten
days.
I've
looked
at
the
lighting
schedule
and
I
see
from
the
fourth
of
september
is
the
last
official
lighting
up
that
we
have,
and
I
think
it's
for
it's
just.
O
Yeah,
so
that's
on
our
friday,
the
last
particular
one
I
haven't
got
the
email
in
front
of
me,
lord
murray.
So
my
proposal
is
that
from
the
sixth
of
december
that
we
eliminate
all
kinds
of
buildings
for
for
ten
days
to
allow
for
those
hundred
hours
to
celebrate
the
centenary
of
this
fine
country
and
make
it
a
formal
proposal.
Thank
you.
B
B
B
B
I
believe
that
on
the
14th
of
november
is
armistice
day,
and
I
had
and
I'm
about
to
propose
that
we
illuminate
the
building
from
the
5th
of
november
until
the
12th
and
that
does
not
elim
eliminate
any
of
the
other
groups
or
charities
that
have
already
had
their
elimination
agreed
by
this
council
in
the
normal
way,
which
was
done
as
consular
baxter,
as
rightly
referred
to,
whereby
officers
did
contact
party
leaders
under
such
usually,
in
fact
on
all
occasions
that
I'm
aware
of
they
have
been
sanctioned
and
there's
never
been
a
problem
on
to
this
time.
B
O
Thank
you,
lord
mayor
yeah,
and
I
just
want
to
see
what
was
being
what
what
the
schedule
we
had
before
us.
That's
why
I
made
it
the
suggestion
that
was
from
the
6th
of
december,
but
I
am
happy
to
meet
my
proposal
and
align
with
what
alderman
spears
is
suggesting
that
we
do
it
from
the
5th
of
november
to
the
12th
I'll
be
demanding.
E
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
I'm
happy
to
support
alderman
spears
and
councillor
dr
baxter's
proposal.
I
think
it's
very
fitting,
given
the
fact
that
we
have
carried
out
quite
a
number
of
celebrations
and
commemorations
over
the
past
year
in
a
very
effective
programme,
especially
with
our
evening
in
lurkin
park,
which
was
a
fantastic
evening
for
all
the
people
of
the
arma
city,
brown
bridge
and
craig
alvin
bourne
council,
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
very
fitting
way
coming
to
the
end
of
that
year.
E
In
in
in
in
celebrating
our
100th
year
within
northern
ireland.
As
alderman
spears
has
said,
and
councillor
baxter
said,
it's
a
clear
fact
of
a
great
time
of
100
years
of
celebration
of
such
a
wonderful
country
and
a
people
that
we
celebrate
right
across
this
borough
and
we
have
indeed
over
recent
months
I
seen
facebook
post
coming
from
our
communications
department
in
the
council.
E
Obviously
one's
not
surprised
by
the
fourth
tongue
of
sinn
fein
who
spew
out
about
equality,
respect
and
tolerance,
but
yet
of
all
it's
only
a
one-way
approach
from
the
usual
sinn
fein
and
their
bigoted
sectarian
attitude
and
as
alderman
spears
and
councillor
baxter
has
quite
rightly
outlined
99.9
of
the
time
with
the
protocol
that
we
have
in
place
in
relation
to
making
decisions
on
the
lighting
up
of
buildings.
E
This
was
one
that
should
not
have
been
a
controversy.
This
is
one
that
should
have
come
through
quite
easily,
but
once
again,
regrettably,
the
normal-minded
fart
tongue
approach
by
shin
fan.
Clearly,
you
know
made
this
an
issue
for
them,
but
she
clearly
sends
out
a
message
that
they
wouldn't
even
give
their
unionist
friends
the
crumbs
off
the
table
if
there
was
their
vision
of
united
ireland.
E
So
we're
we're
not
surprised
but
we're
disappointed,
and
I
think
many
many
normal
people
out
there
will
be
disappointed
that
sinn
fein
has
has
made
this
decision
in
the
most
narrow-minded,
bigoted
sectarian
attitude,
but
we're
here
we're
we're
going
to
celebrate
we're
going
to
continue
to
celebrate.
We've
celebrated
quite
a
bit
within
the
abc
area
over
the
past
year.
E
Now
there
are
a
lot
of
people
out
there
across
the
abc
area
who
want
to
celebrate
their
part
of
the
united
kingdom,
but
also
the
very
strong
part
of
united
ireland
or
northern
ireland
who
belongs
to
everybody,
because
northern
ireland
has
has
represented
everybody
for
the
past
100
years
and
will
continue
to
do
so
in
the
years
that
lie
ahead.
So
I'm
happy
to
support
this
proposal
tonight.
A
Q
Q
Q
The
original
request
from
the
nio
to
light
up
the
buildings
was,
I
believe,
quite
a
modest
plan,
and
not
necessarily
to
celebrate
the
centenary,
but
to
mark
it
in
an
inclusive
way.
That
would
allow
an
opportunity
for
reflection,
as
counselor
baxter
referred
to,
we
light
buildings
to
mark
and
highlight
a
range
of
causes,
charities,
cultural
and
historical
events,
and
they
may
pertain
to
various
sections
of
our
community.
Q
There's
absolutely
no
reason
and
why
we
weren't
able
to
do
it
on
this
occasion
and
to
mark
an
event
that
is
important
to
part
of
our
community
in
a
shared
and
inclusive
way,
with
a
focus
on
the
future.
I
think
shin
fian,
unfortunately,
by
blocking
the
proposal
to
light
for
one
night
and
were
petty
to
an
extent.
They
were
ungenerous
and
they
took
quite
a
narrow
view
on
the
issue.
Q
But
I
have
to
say
in
the
public
debate
surrounding
this
and
there
have
been
a
number
of
elected
representatives
who
have
sought
to
weaponize
our
differences
to
divide
the
community
rather
than
embracing
our
diversity
and
working
to
accommodate
everyone
and
bring
people
together.
Q
However,
I
believe
the
counter
proposal
to
light
for
seven
days
goes
beyond
the
nioh
plan,
and
so
I'm
hesitant
to
put
another
proposal
on
the
floor.
Lord
of
mercury
know
how
complicated
it
can
be
with
these
votes,
and
but
I
would
propose
that
we
liked
em
for
one
night
and
as
deemed
appropriate
on
whatever
day
by
officers
and
I'd
like
to
make
that
a
formal
proposal.
Thank
you.
A
L
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
I
won't
labor
the
point,
but
I
can
recall
an
election
slogan.
L
Building
an
ireland
of
equals
was
founded
about
for
a
while
by
shinfeen,
and
then
we
seen
it
morphed
into
equality,
respect
and
tolerance.
L
I
think
our
integrity,
and
month
after
month,
well
day
after
day
in
this
country,
those
of
us
from
the
unionist
community
appear
to
be
lectured
on
respect
and
equality
and
integrity,
and
yet
the
political
party
that
has
espoused
none
of
those
values
in
the
decision
that
they
have
taken
either
to
block
the
lighting
of
this
building,
refusing
to
go
to
the
service
in
arma
refusing
to
plant
roses
instorement
and
the
list
goes
on
and
on
and
on
and
shows
what
an
ireland
of
equals
really
means
that
one
is
only
equal
if
you
subscribe
to
the
shin
fin
agenda-
and
certainly
I
am
absolutely
supportive
of
the
proposals
made
unhappy
to
endorse
them.
L
I
do
want
to
just
make
one
point,
though
we
know
in
this
borough
that
people
yes
are
struggling
financially
and
that
they
are
struggling,
and
we
hear
time
and
time
again
there
are
bigger
issues
to
deal
with
than
the
ones
we're
talking
about
right.
Now,
we've
been
in
this
meeting
for
over
two
hours,
we're
going
to
spend
probably
five
minutes
dealing
with
this
issue.
L
We
spend
several
other
minutes
dealing
with
other
issues
and
we
hear
about
all
of
those
things.
We
see
the
enormous
amounts
of
work
that
counselors
have
rolled
in
behind
to
support
our
officers
with
to
deal
with
the
issues
that
counselor
tennyson
has
raised,
and
it
almost
implies
that
we
are
not
dealing
with
those
issues,
and
that
is
deeply
unfortunate
to
suggest
that,
because
we
deal
with
many
variety
of
issues
in
this
chamber
that
we
neglect
and
the
other
bread
and
butter
issues
that
face
our
constituents.
L
That
is
not
true
and
it
is
a
myth
and
there's
nothing
more
than
a
cheap
attempt
at
a
headline
in
the
year
of
an
election,
and
the
electorate
are
not
fooled
by
it.
I'll
not
be
fooled
by
it,
and
neither
should
anybody
else
in
this
chamber.
N
Every
time
our
council
would
extend
to
10
descends
into
the
debate
of
this
nature,
and
but
I
come
from
a
community
that
looks
at
events
100
years
ago-
has
been
the
greatest
travesty.
That
happened
on
this
island.
N
Do
you
want
to
commemorate
the
creation
of
northern
ireland
or
you
want
to
acknowledge
or
recognize
the
partition
of
this
island?
The
petition
that
split
this
island
split
communities
and
and
drove
a
wedge
between
many
of
our
communities
for
many
many
years?
N
I
count
myself
as
one
of
the
people
who
want
to
be
a
persuader
for
unity.
I
want
to
see
this
island
prosper.
I
want
to
see
this
place
prosper
and
I
think
that
we
can
only
do
that
to
a
shared
island
and
through
a
shared
community,
and
for
that
reason
my
me
and
my
colleagues
were
happy
and
we
believe
it
showed
respect
for
people
from
the
unionist
community
and
lighting
up
the
building
for
that
one
night,
but
then
now
to
have
a
proposal
for
10
minutes.
N
I
would
ask
everyone
to
tone
down
the
rhetoric
of
the
debate.
N
Think
of
yes
or
no
cancer
is
cosmic
says
about
that's
only
a
few
minutes
in
a
wider
debate,
but
people
out
there
are
more
interested
in
paying
oil
and
a
fewer
bills.
They're
more
interested
in
getting
recycling
bins
and
streets
claimed.
N
N
I
would,
as
I
say,
ask
for
the
the
rhetoric
to
be
toned
down
and
for
people
to
show
respect
both
ways,
and
for
that
reason
I
would
be
content
to
support
counselor
tennyson's
proposal
for
one
night
and
I
believe
that
is
in
keeping
with
the
policy
of
respect,
but
I
also
ask
that
others
respect
my
position
in
the
position
for
the
community
that
I
represent
and
they
in
that
they
don't
look
about
the
centenary
of
northern
ireland
as
anything
to
celebrate,
but
I
think
they
do
that
in
this
they've
shown
respect
and
tolerance
for
the
many
people
across
the
borough
who
look
at
that
anniversary
as
something
that
they
want
to
celebrate
and
that
they
want
to
commemorate,
and
I
don't
believe
that
by
us
stepping
back
and
allowing
others
to
celebrate
undermines
our
political
ambitions.
X
X
We've
opposed
it
for
every
single
day
of
the
past.
100
years
has
been
forced
upon
us.
We
continue
to
oppose
partition
work
every
single
day
at
the
end
of
it,
partition
has
been
a
disaster
for
every
irish
person,
protestant
catholic
and
dissenter
there's
both
division,
death,
civil
strife
and
economic
dependency
to
this
corner
of
our
island.
X
X
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Can
you
show
back
up?
Can
we
average
do
we
have
any
more
speakers?
No,
thank
you
very
much.
We
are
going
to
cope
with
voting
on
councillor
baxter's
proposal
that
we
made
up
the
buildings
on
the
dremora
verdict
from
the
fifth
of
november
to
the
12th
of
november,
blue
and
green,
in
line
with
the
nios
request
on
seconded
by
councillor
or
alderman
spears.
W
Just
to
avoid
any
doubt,
lord
mer,
if
alderman
spears
proposal
needs
a
second
drive,
happy
to
send.
O
A
You
have
enough
to
you,
have
enough
holderman
spears
to
second
cancer
baxter's
proposal
amid
the
proposal,
it's
exactly
the
same
as
your
proposal.
A
B
I
I
wouldn't
have
been
happy
with
that
on.
The
simple
reason
being
was
that
it
would
have
deflected
on
the
royal
british
legion
on
armistice
day,
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
had
their.
A
O
You
know
I
had
proposed
10
days
originally,
but
that
was
from
the
5th
of
december
when
I
looked
at
the
schedule
and
then
whenever
alderman
spears
made
his
proposal,
I
says:
well
I'm
happy
to
amend
my
proposal
quite
clearly
wendy
you
can
have
you
come
back
to
me
on
that
amount
of
proposals
to
do
it
in
line
with
what
alderman
spears
had
proposed.
K
O
F
K
A
D
D
K
G
A
A
Z
What
more
members,
climate
change
and
enhancement,
bio
biodiversity
are
vital
issues
for
us
all
and
a
as,
as
a
council
officers
brought
forward
a
pilot
project
to
essentially
establish
four
areas
of
wild
flowers
within
our
borough
as
a
means
both
of
enhancing
the
biodiversity,
as
well
as
reducing
the
the
area
of
grass
verge
that
we
were
responsible
for
cutting
within
the
borough
of
the
four
sites.
There
was
two
in
logan.
There
was
one
in
arma
and
there
was
one
within
my
own
lagoon
river,
the
ea
on
on
my
gangnam
road.
Just.
Z
I
haven't
really
seen
very
much
movement,
so
I
just
asked
ask
the
question
of
officers
that
are
reportedly
brought
to
the
relevant
committee
in
terms
of
the
progress
of
this
project,
because
certainly
time
is
moving
on
and
it's
something
that
concerns
me
that
I'm
not
seeing
any
movement
on
the
ground,
especially
in
my
own
dea.
I
can't
thank
you
very
much.
I
A
AC
Yeah
look,
it
was
just,
I
think,
it's
important
even
for
for
members
who
aren't
on
that
committee
to
just
get
an
understanding
of
how
frustrated
this
is.
There
has
been
a
motion
brought
before
this
council
there's
been
several
times.
This
is
raised
the
committee
and,
and
lately
myself
and
counselor
hockey
who's
not
here
tonight
we
asked
questions
of
the
officers
as
the
way
this
was
taken
so
long.
So
when
we've
had
the
baits
that
showed
division
tonight,
we
can
have
a
debate
here.
AC
That
shows
absolute
unity,
because
this
is
a
massively
frustrating
issue.
You
know
the
council
chamber
has
been
united
and
asking
for
this
to
be
rolled
out
and
the
reasons
on
excuses.
I
would
call
them
that
they
were
given
to
myself
and
counselor
hockey
for
this
not
being
pushed
forward.
They
were
pretty
painful.
AC
To
be
honest,
so
I
would
ask
that
that
and
appreciate
sean
has
said,
there'd
be
a
report,
and
I
welcome
that,
but
I
would
urge
her
to
encourage
her
officers
to
who
are
responsible
for
this
to
to
ensure
that
this
is
brought
forward
in
a
timely
manner
that
this
is
absolutely
ridiculous.
In
my
opinion
that
it's
taken
so
long
and
they
and
say
the
reasons
given
we're
pretty
pure
in
my
opinion-
there's
absolutely
no
reason
why
this
can't
be
extended
out.
AC
So
I
I
think
the
reason
why
I
came
in
and
understand
what
we're
moving
on
in
the
agenda
and
we're
coming
in,
but
I
think
other
members
who
aren't
on
the
environmental
committee.
They
need
to
understand
that
this
this
has
been
dragging
on
and
on
and
on,
and
hopefully
when
it
is
finalized,
it
will
benefit
us
all.
Thank
you.
Lord
mayor.
J
Yeah,
it
would
just
be
brief
comments
about
the
logan
once
the
two
lurking
locations
in
question.
One
was
along
kiln
road
moons,
along
lock
road.
The
one
along
kiln
road
was
actually,
unfortunately,
cut
early
in
the
season
earlier
this
year,
while
it
was
by
dfi
or
by
council,
which
meant
that
it
no
longer
exists
as
a
wildflower
thing
at
nature,
by
three
or
four
or
five
years.
J
If
you
know
consistently
re-uh
regeneration,
where
it's
only
cut
in
the
other
months,
so
that
one
along
kiln
roll
is
possibly
severely
impacted
and
put
back
a
couple
of
years,
because
someone
did
go
along
and
cut
significant
sections
along
can
kevin
wrote
patrol
up
where
I
thought
patch
may
no
longer
exist,
which
is
extremely
disappointing
is
when
I
called
out
to
see
it
in
2019.
J
It
was
looking
well
in
terms
of.
There
was
a
variety
of
biodiversity
and
insect
life
there,
but
now
it
seems
they
all
have
gone
and
that
biodiversity
no
longer
exists.
So
I
would
agree
with
council
high
and
it
kind
of
found
on
this
issue
and
something
that
we
need
to
consistently
push
for
in
terms
of
increasing
the
biodiversity
and
of
ours
would
look
forward
to
that
report
coming
back.
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
A
J
You'd
save
the
best
of
last,
I
suppose
just
have
to
start
off
by
giving
a
better
background.
So,
as
members
may
or
may
not
be
aware,
if
there
is
a
dispute
in
terms
of
whether
our
public
right-of-way
exists,
it
actually
comes
in
the
council
to
consider
so
you
know,
officers
would
go,
I'd,
have
a
look.
You
know,
assembly,
evidence
and
so
on
and
bring
a
recommendation
to
the
appropriate
committee,
which
is
the
leisure
committee.
J
Now
this
has
been
a
frustrating
process
from
rally
residents
because
the
length
of
time
it
takes
to
consider
some
of
these
applications-
and
this
is
astounding
and
the
one
I
am
aware
of-
has
been
under
consideration
in
the
orangetown
area
since
2008.-
that's
13
years,
lord
mayor,
in
fact
it's
it's
sad
to
say,
but
there's
some
people
who
have
submitted
evidence.
You
know
in
terms
of
it
existing
here
since
unfortunately
passed
away.
J
So
it's
important
that
the
consumer
gets
the
stack
together
in
this
issues
and
comes
to
a
conclusion
on
these
matters.
Well,
are
there
is
evidence
that
it
exists
and
bring
the
process
to
lay
it
down
or
whether
there's
not
enough
evidence
of
existence
that
closes
the
matter
rather
than
to
have
this?
You
know
sort
of
ongoing
process
event
decision
now.
J
So
that's
the
more
you
know,
effort
or
resources
are
put
in
to
at
least
you
know,
encourage
you
know,
outcomes
to
be
made
whether
to
let
them
down
or
to
you
know,
say
no,
so
because
it's
important
for
a
lot
of
these
residents,
so
you
maybe
able
to
walk
these
roads
or
these
old
country
lanes
and
things
they
are
now
no
longer
able
to,
and
it's
impacting
on
their
you
know
physical
and
mental
health,
so
it
encouraged
council
to
take
more
proactive.
You
know
stance
on
this
issue
and
I'm
just
on
the
public
right-of-ways.
J
It's
great
that
council
we're
able
to
mop
all
the
owner
led
in
public
right
away
and
thank
the
the
member
staff.
He
passed
me
on
the
interactive
gas
map.
So
hopefully
you
know
where
maybe
more
people
in
the
bar
will
be
go
out
and
visit.
Y
Thank
you,
cherry
and
good
evening
members
and
I
thank
councillor
larry
for
his
question.
Yes,
the
members
will
be
aware
that
council
do
have
a
public,
rights-of-way
investigation
and
assertion
procedure,
and
we
have
currently
six
alleged
rights
away
that
are
under
consideration.
The
last
update
report
was
brought
to
committee
in
september
of
last
year
on
the
council
lowry's
hobby.
I
would
be
again
happy
to
take
a
further
report.
Y
The
update
members
in
relation
to
the
current
status
of
those
sex
right
of
way
that
are
currently
being
considered
by
officers
and
members
will
appreciate
that,
and
this
can
be
legally
difficult
from
a
land
of
property
point
of
view
and
in
terms
of
the
legislation
that
we're
we're
trying
to
adhere
to.
I'm
certainly
happy
to
take
an
update
report
to
the
next
ledger
on
community
services
study
if
their
members
are
happy.
Thank
you.
J
Yeah
I'd
be
content
with
that
approach.
Just
do
anything.
Lord
mayor
is
one
of
the
you
know.
Actions
from
the
previous
time
was
brought,
but
you
know
people
who'd
submitted
evidence
for
the
various
spread.
Awareness
would
be
contacted,
I'm
not
sure
if
that
ever
happened
so,
but
I
thought
you
know
was
going
to
get
the
ball
rolling
again
on.
Certainly
welcome
welcome
that
coming
to
committee
again,
so
thank
jonathan
for
his
response.
There.