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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Special Council Meeting on Wednesday the 19th of July 2023 at 6.30pm. This is a hybrid meeting with Members and staff attending in the chamber and remotely using Zoom
B
Okay,
thank
you
act.
Thank
you.
We
have
no
opening
announcements
and
agenda
item
number.
One
I
have
one
apology
from
counselor
Ashley
Mullen.
Is
there
any
more
apologies
from
the
floor
members.
B
Okay,
I,
don't
see
any
lights
on
Declarations
of
Interest
members.
Are
we
content
to
request
those
as
and
when
we
go
throughout
the
meeting?
Okay,
no
objections.
All
right.
Thank
you
item
three
on
the
agenda
tonight
is
to
discuss.
The
party
leaders,
forum
and
I
was
going
to
hand
over
to
Alderman
Burns,
who
has
requested
this
special
meeting
and
to
ask
you
to
brief
us,
but
I
actually
see
a
light
on
here
from
alderman
moutry.
C
Thank
you,
Lord
mayor,
just
at
the
outset
of
the
meeting
and
to
set
some
context,
can
I
ask
through
you
why
the
group,
the
way
the
proposal
of
the
motion
has
table
this
meeting
tonight
and
it
has
no
limit
to
change
the
decision
of
council
and
that
there's
a
considerable
cost
to
reappears
and
tabling
this
meeting
tonight
winner
is
sending
me
motion
has
been
tabled
for
the
monthly
meeting
next
Monday
night
proposed
by
The
sdlp
Counselor
Hamilton
seconded
by
councilor
Berry.
B
Thank
you,
Alderman
motry,
well,
I'll
call,
Alderman,
Barr
or
sorry
Alderman
Burns
in
for
to
talk
us
through
that.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
Lord
Mur,
and
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
have
this
meeting
here
tonight.
The
motion
that
that
Alderman
moutry
is
referring
to
was
put
in
after
this
was
requested.
So
it
was
so
that
this
meeting
was
requested.
First
I
make
no
apology
for
it:
Lord
sincere
amalgamation
of
the
three
councils
and
the
one
in
2015.
D
That
included
the
dupu
patient
feeling
sdlp
as
well
as
one
member
party
David
Jones
of
ukip,
and
also
alderman
Paul
Barry
as
the
independent
it
followed
suit
in
the
Saka
in
2019
after
the
elections
were
Alderman
Barry
was
a
member
of
that
and
it
was
always
inclusive
and
it
meant
that
party
authors
are
the
the
staff
of
the
council
only
had
to
meet
once
this
is
going
to
duplicate
the
the
work
that
they
have
to
do
because
they're
going
to
have
to
meet
with
the
party
group
leaders
as
well
as
the
other
members.
D
D
This
has
been
assigned
in
board.
It's
not
a
decision-making
body,
so
I
cannot
understand
why,
at
the
the
three
other
counselors
can't
take
part,
it's
it's
simply
for
getting
out
messages
to
the
to
the
different
parties
and
groups,
but
it's
also
a
sounding
board
for
what
what
things
are
going
on
within
the
council.
D
Councilor
Duffy
at
the
at
the
committee
meeting
did
say
it
was
about
saving
money,
but
yet
the
money
was
taken
away
and
given
away
so
it's
not,
it
hasn't
saved
any
money.
So
we
have
been
asked
my
colleagues
and
I
and
and
I'm
sure
others
have.
It
has
been
mentioned
to
you
out
there
once
it
would
get
out
into
the
Press
have
been
asked
about
this,
and
we
can't
understand
we
can't.
D
We
can't
give
a
reason
as
to
why
this
has
changed
after
eight
years
of
working
well
together,
and
that
was
more
or
less
the
we
wanted
to
hold
this
so
that
we
could
find
out
exactly
why
the
these
three
counselors
are
going
to
be
put
off
this,
and
that's
that's,
basically
the
outline
of
it
of
why
we
wanted.
We
would
like
to
know
why
things
have
changed
things
that
have
been
working
so
well
after
all
these
years,
whilst
now
suddenly
being
changed.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
for
that.
Alderman,
Burns
and
I
won't
get
under
the
bed
tonight
as
to
how
it
actually
went
from
confidential
business
into
the
public
to
me,
and
it
had
to
be
one
of
the
41
counselors
in
this
chamber
that
actually
suffered
to
do
that.
But
that's
a
debate
for
another
day
and
one
that
I
actually
hold.
As
the
Lord
mayor
of
this
chamber,
I
hold
very
valid
confidentiality
when
something's
in
confidential
business.
Whether
members
agree
with
me
or
not.
B
E
E
I
think
it
could
have
been
a
new
one
for
him
and
I
actually
welcomed
the
fact
that
is
in
the
open
Forum,
although
why
it's
done
in
this
expansive
meeting
tonight,
whenever
we're
going
to
rehash
everything
again
on
Monday
night,
when
the
penny
finally
dropped
on
a
rescinding
motion.
But
then
because
this
meeting
has
no
power
to
overturn
any
decision,
but
that
just
shows
the
lack
of
understanding
to
think
of
council
Stanton
orders.
E
Well.
Well,
that's
what
it
does,
because
it's
a
very
it's
a
very
expensive
meeting.
When
you
see
the
office,
you
shouldn't
you
tonight,
officer
time,
director
level,
dining
facilities,
managers
and
all
that
but
I'm
delighted
that
it's
in
the
open
Forum,
because
the
licks
to
the
Press
on
the
social
media
was
very,
very
selective
and
there's
a
lot
of
information
misinformation.
E
So,
let's
set
it
right
here,
what
I
see
it
is?
We
have
Fair
significant
issues
in
this
Council
when
we
look
at
the
covert
crisis
over
a
few
years
and
that
the
problems
without
cause
for
cancer
and
for
officers
and
for
the
operational
issues
we
had
when
we
had
to
close
play
parks
and
cemeteries.
Was
there
a
special
meeting
called
by
the
ocean's
party?
No,
when
we
had
the
strikes
and
the
council
Borough
was
upside
down
for
weeks
and
weeks
was
our
special
meeting
called
by
the
Oceanus
party?
E
E
So
let's
just
see
what
other
kinds
Thursday
mid,
Ulster
Council
independent
members
do
not
sit
on
Party
leaders,
Forum
Belfast,
City
Country,
which
is
the
largest
country
in
Belfast,
and
accounts
for
like
40
percent
of
Northern
Ireland's
population.
They
have
to
have
two
or
more
members
in
the
chamber
to
seven
party
group
leaders
have
to
have
three
or
more
members,
lisburn
and
Castle.
E
E
The
Proposal
was
declared
Kerry
to
preserve
for
agreed
the
positions
of
responsibility
be
allocated
in
accordance
with
the
schedule.
One
of
the
Local
Government
Act
2014
for
Northern
Ireland,
using
the
hunt
method
under
the
policy
for
political
party
gripping
representation,
should
consist.
This
is
important
but
of
at
least
two
and
not
partying.
E
So
you
know
members
over
here
saying
this
is
a
cover-up
between
dup
Insurance
ABC.
Well,
what
is
a
London?
Is
it
a
carve
up
there
the
full
light
Bridge,
the
four
hydrange
is
well,
that's
where
it
is
different
place.
Every
country,
Northern
Ireland,
has
the
same
policy
and
I'll
have
to
say
I.
Think
for
Mama
I,
don't
think
Ava
have
a
great
leaders
for
him.
So
so
that's
one,
that's
one
that
is
different,
so
we're
just
in
yeah
we're
just
now
in
Lane,
without
policy
with
every
other
Council
and
Northern
Ireland.
E
E
So
it's
not
a
decision,
so
it's
not
a
decision
making
body,
but
it's
for
group
leaders.
How
can
you
be
a
leader
in
your
own
group
what
the
role
that
I
have
as
a
group
leader?
We
have
13
members
on
this
side.
The
group
leaders
meeting
actually
is
a
very
small
part
of
what
happens.
It's
a
channel
a
conjured.
E
If
you
want
the
potential
officers
and
the
corporate
management
team
use
to
channel
information
to
the
members,
that's
what
the
rule
is
and
that's
what
entails
and
when
you're
13
members
it's
credited
by
zero
when
you're
on
your
own,
you
don't
have
a
load
in
that
Forum.
What
is
the
role?
There
is
none
because
you
know
information
to
impart
to
anyone
else,
you're
on
your
own,
but
but
said,
look
everybody's
got
a
mandate
and
everybody
needs
a
mandate
respected
and
everybody
all
41
members-
it's
not
just
members
here,
but
all
41
members
need
that
mandate.
E
Respect
us!
So
there's
a
couple
of
solutions.
There's
a
couple
of
solutions
to
this
and
my
first
relation-
and
it's
not
up
to
me
to
do.
E
But
if
the
members
that
are
independent
members
are
single
party
representative
want
to
form
a
group,
whether
that
be
two
or
whether
that
be
three
Pharma
group
on
our
party
will
wholeheartedly
100
support
the
common
on
the
party
group
leaders
and
rotate
in
your
membership
or
whatever,
and
that
way
as
independent
members,
you
can
get
the
information
I
think
that's
the
way
it
is
in
the
assembly
and
the
assembly.
Commission
I
think
Jim
allister,
the
tev
leader,
assigns
himself.
E
It's
simply
an
information
gathering
such
on
the
fundamentally
fundamentally
does
not
have
any
votes
taken
and
fundamentally
is
not
a
committee,
our
decision-making
body,
but
as
I've
said,
if
the
members
want
to
form
a
group,
us
happens
in
other
places
right
across
the
United
Kingdom.
We
would
be
quite
happy
to
support
that
and
let
them
sit
on
quite
a
good
position,
a
rotational
on
a
rotational
basis,
another
solution
and
one
which
we
can
give
members
food
for
a
thought
and
the
interests
of
unionized
English.
E
Unity
I
put
the
Hyundai
territory
unionist
colleagues
if
they
want
to
join
our
party
group,
not
as
members
of
the
duper
not
to
take
the
dep
rep,
but
in
terms
of
this
and
for
the
the
process
of
party
group
leaders,
you've
been
more
than
welcome
to
attend
our
party
group
leaders
meeting
after
the
party
group
leaders
meeting
to
discuss
what's
going
forward
unless
meridianism
forward
genetically,
so
there's
two
solutions
there
and
they're
very,
very
easy,
they're,
very,
very
easy
to
do.
I'm
sure
I'll
just
leave
that
I'll
leave
that
with
you.
E
E
But
the
last
thing
we
need
is
for
units
to
be
formulate
and
this
chamber
behind
closed
doors,
so
the
hands
out
there
you're
very
welcome
to
come
and
join
the
group
or
form
your
own
grip,
because
I
think
it's
very
important
that
everybody's
mandatory
practice
and
and
that's
that's
our
idea
as
a
party
to
try
and
fix
us
and
have
a
lot
of
resolution
going
forward
instead
of
trying
to
make
political
Point
scoring
points,
try
and
reunionism
together
forward.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
lordmer,
first
of
all,
I'm
pleased
that
this
issue
is
at
last
being
dealt
with
on
an
open
way.
Constituents
deserve
to
know
how
the
representatives
vote
on
important
industries
and
I
accept
that
when
it
comes
to
sensitive
legal
and
Commercial
matters,
they
may
need
to
be
the
whole
proceedings
behind
closed
doors,
but
I
don't
agree
with
the
way
this
was
handled.
I
have
to
agree
with
Mark
on
that,
because
of
the
way
this
murder
was
dealt
with
in
the
last
meeting.
Much
time
for
me
is
most
misinformation.
I
was
being
allowed
to
spread.
G
The
aspect
which
I
find
most
offensive
is
a
suggestion.
This
is
all
about
money.
It
never
was
myself
and
other
members
a
fact
that
offered
to
forgo
payment-
and
this
was
previously
rejected.
Frankly,
attempt
a
surprise
to
me
that
members
received
additional
repairs
money
for
even
serving
in
this
form
those
who
have
sought
to
prepare.
This
is
a
money
saving
who
should
forgo
thousands
of
pounds
which
they
have
claimed
for
themselves
over
years
as
Party
leaders.
G
G
At
the
last
meeting,
they
brought
forward
a
proposal
to
gerrymander
leaders
form
they
didn't
like
the
fact
that
two
unionists
were
there.
It
doesn't
make
the
fact
that
a
nationalist
voice,
which
wasn't
a
apologist
for
ARA
violence,
was
there
say
they
caught
a
black
room.
They
denied
the
majority
of
unionism
Voters
in
kosher
on
the
sdrp,
a
voice.
This
song
remained
of
the
democratic
nature
of
the
council.
Some
have
asked
why
I
should
be
in
the
Forum
as
I,
say:
soul,
TV
wrap
and
this
kind.
G
So
let
me
address
us:
I
was
elected
on
a
party
Manifesto,
not
just
as
an
individual.
Thousands
of
people
across
ABC
voted
from
a
party
under
seniors
or
voice
on
the
council.
It
is
in
the
interest
of
democracy
that
the
views
of
those
reappears,
which
are
as
important
as
any
other
party
or
independent
on
ABC
Council,
are
fairly
represented
rather
than
being
exclusive.
We
should
be
seeking
to
be
inclusive
as
possible
of
the
views
of
constituents
and
bodies
such
as
this
hierarchy
of
views
on
the
council.
It's
anti-democratic,
honest
wrong.
G
I
am
calling
for
a
demonstration
of
Union
student
I
am
disappointed
that
the
dep
of
thus
far
supported
Chen
Fame
and
removing
the
news
majority
from
this
form,
along
with
her
acting
posters,
which
said,
let's
build
unionism,
the
dep
flies
in
my
area
of
the
last
election.
The
dep
supports
greater
Union's
cooperation
on
Unity.
G
G
I
am
disappointed
that
my
attempts
to
address
this
modern
private
before
the
last
meeting
were
above
for
the
dup
I
note
that
the
group
leader
told
the
press
that
he
wants
to
resolve
the
modern
private
lordmer.
The
members
knows
that
I
attempted
to
do
so.
He
also
knows
what
is
response
was
India's
Consciousness
have
a
chance
to
play
the
Gate
of
unionism
above
narrow
party
interests,
I
call
in
all
genius
members
to
stand
together
in
unity.
G
H
Thank
you,
Lord
mayor
Roland
get
into
slagging
much
between
enter
Asian
and
their
unionism,
which
seems
to
be
going
on
the
present
in
this
chamber.
I'm
just
going
to
keep
my
remarks
solely
to
the
item
on
under
discussion.
The
decision
at
the
gene
council
meeting
represented
a
blatant
carve-up
between
the
dep
and
shin
fian,
as
the
sought
to
exclude
the
sdlp,
smaller
parties
and
then
the
patents
from
Party
leaders
form
it
was
a
paragraph
a.m.
That's
timing.
H
H
This
is
clear
evidence
yet
again
of
the
dup
and
shin
fian.
Acting
to
protect
party
political
interest,
rather
than
working
in
the
interest
of
our
entire
community
I
would
encourage
both
parties
to
reflect
and
instead
of
choosing
to
only
work
with
each
other,
but
the
scrapless
carve
up
and
take
an
inclusive
approach
going
forward
by
including
all
parties
and
independents
on
party
leader
form,
which
has
been
the
case
since
the
Inception
of
ABC
Council.
Thank
you.
F
A
Oh
brilliant,
okay,
thank
you.
Lord
mayor,
Lord,
Mur,
I,
suppose
I
mean
I,
find
this
evening's
meeting.
Disingenuous
I
am
a
special
meeting
called
days
before.
A
full
council
meeting
is
scheduled
this
coming
Monday,
and
this
issue
is
scheduled
as
an
open
item
in
in
that
meeting.
A
A
Chrysler
Ratcliffe,
for
example,
has
completely
fabricated
our
stance,
something
the
minutes,
can
prove
and
something
he
should
reflect
on
in
line
with
the
counselor's
code
of
conduct,
but
Council
Rock
Radcliffe
is
new
and
he's
learning.
So
perhaps
it
is
naivete
and
hopefully
tonight
will
be
a
learning
curve
forum.
A
The
party
group's
leader
form
is
used
to
discuss
key
issues.
That's
absolutely
right:
it's
a
sounding
board.
Information
is
shared
through
it.
There
are
no
votes
and
nothing
is
achieved
through
this
forum
would
I
consensus
parties
you've
been
given
enough
on
a
sufficient
mandate
by
the
electorate
are
represented
on
this
form,
I.E
those
that
lead
a
group.
A
It's
in
the
name,
the
chief
executive
who's
with
us
tonight
has
also
agreed
that
he
will
keep
representatives
of
all
parties
and
none
informed
of
the
issues
that
are
discussed
during
these
meetings
and
the
interest
of
openness
and
transparency.
And
in
fact,
that's
something
that
our
party
sought.
Assurance
is
off
because
we
do
respect
the
Mandate
of
all,
including
endophageals
and
Independence.
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
Lord,
mayor
a
and
to
those
who
spoke
I.
Obviously
there
has
been
some
who
have
disagreed
with
tonight's
meeting,
but
because
we
live
in
a
democracy
that
it's
good,
that
there's
such
a
thing
as
a
standing
order
there
for
such
occasions,
like
this,
an
alderman
Alderman
Burns
has
made
it
clear
from
the
outset
that
now
that
there
was
a
rescinding
motion
in
this
actually
meeting
here
was
called
before
there
was
a
motion
placed,
but
it's
it
is
good
to
talk.
I
It's
good
to
have
conversations,
it's
good
to
put
things
out
in
the
air,
because
there
were
occasions
in
the
last
two
meetings
and
the
governance
resources
and
the
full
council
meeting
were
not.
All
parties
spoke
in
relation
to
this
situation.
So
what's
good
now
to
get
representation,
and
probably
this
is
the
first
night
where
most
parties
have
actually
spoken
relation
to
their
views
as
to
the
party
leaders
Forum.
So
that's
welcome
and
that's
probably
the
start
of
the
process.
I,
don't
wish
to
say
it
too
much
tonight.
I
Modern
lordmer,
because
I
I
wish
to
speak
more
Atlanta
on
Monday
evening
in
relation
to
the
rescinding
motion,
but
I
think
it
is
important
to
note
that
from
2014
when
Chancellor
Jones
and
myself
were
on
the
party
leaders
Forum,
it
was
always
the
continual
message
from
Shin
Fein
that
they
didn't
want.
The
two
unionist
on
the
party
leaders
form
and
in
2019,
when
myself
was
returned
as
The
Independent.
I
The
fact
is
from
2014,
I
I
was
represented
on
the
party
leaders
Forum
because
of
the
nature
of
that
particular
form
and
a
welcome
Dot
and
I.
Thank
the
members
there
for
that
and
I
believe.
It
was
important
that
we
would
go
forward
as
one
in
unity
that
we
would
be
inclusive,
that
the
council
would
try
our
best
to
build
an
inclusive
Council
that
all
voices
were
represented.
I
The
last
thing,
I
want
to
say,
is
a
duplication
because
I
know
counselor
silly
has
stated
in
the
last
monthly
council
meeting,
and
she
stated
here
tonight
that
the
chief
executive
on
his
officers
can
go
back
again
and
duplicate
and
pass
on
what
was
agreed
or
what
was
discussed
or
what
was
decided
in
a
party
Leader's
form
and
to
me.
What's
the
big
issue?
I
What's
the
big
problem,
a
three
other
members
on
the
party
leaders
Forum,
it's
not
a
decision-making
body,
it's
it's
a
very
important
sounding
board
and
to
save
any
duplication
to
save
any
Crosswire
and
to
go
forward
in
an
inclusive
manner.
I
would
have
thought
it
would
have
been
a
lot
easier
without
the
alliance
as
well
from
the
three
members,
as
I
stated
in
my
previous
proposal,
that
the
three
members
would
be
included
on
it.
I've
heard
so
many
people
say,
and
it's
it's
it's
some
people
have
said
it's
only
a
token
shop.
I
Some
counselors,
this
chamber
have
only
said
it's
a
talking
shop
and
others,
but
I
still
think
it's
important
that
the
three
voices
are
represented.
It's
of
no
surprise
to
me.
The
chin
fian
wants
to
buy
far
out
the
minorities.
That's
of
no
surprise
that
never
was
a
surprise,
even
though
their
stlp
voice.
They
don't
want
on
it
as
well.
That's
no
surprise
because
it's
their
way
or
no
way
so
I'm,
not
surprised
by
that.
I
Three
other
members
on
it
to
say
about
the
duplication
and
the
save
out
all
the
rest
of
the
duplication
that
would
come
with
it.
I'm
still
getting
calls
from
senior
part
senior
Council
officials
in
relation
to
matters.
I'm
happy
to
receive
those
calls,
but
I
still
think,
there's
really
no
harm
or
no
danger,
and
the
three
members,
two
of
us,
which
have
been
honored
from
2014
being
on
the
party
leaders,
form
to
make
sure
that
it's
inclusive
to
make
sure
that
the
council
is
moving
forward
in
the
right
direction
and
that
all
voices
are
heard.
H
H
E
Thank
you,
Lord
mayor
I'm,
happy
with
us,
Dad's
party
leaders,
Forum
leaders,
group
leaders,
it's
the
same.
The
same
thing
I
was
dancing
on
the
head
of
a
pen
and
yeah.
Look
just
take
it
on
board.
What
what
comes
around
Tiff
have
said,
and
Alderman
and
Alderman
Barry
I,
don't
think
Council
Holland's
in
this
evening.
I,
don't
know
if
he's
Eminem
but
lesson.
You
know
this
Arabic.
The
voice
is
being
heard
in
the
leaders.
Forum
I'd
give
a
couple
of
solutions
there.
E
You
know
that
their
voices
will
be
heard
on
the
leaders
forum
and
they
can
attend
the
leaders
Forum.
You
know
when
we
we
support
dollars
a
party
I'm,
not
sure
what
others
will
do.
That's
a
matter
for
them,
but
you
know
is
that
an
option
that
that
the
members
there
might
you
know
might
make
them
faster
as
a
possibility
to
get
onto
the
Forum.
You
know
what
on
rotate
the
membership
and
then
you
would
have
two
two
members
or
two
members
on
the
party
or
a
group
or
three
members
in
our
group.
E
That's
that's
a
real
simple
solution,
a
really
simple
solution,
and
if
it's
not
taken
seriously
well,
then
really
will
have
to
say
to
ourselves:
is
it
really
seriously?
There
won't
be
on
the
form
or
not,
because
that
solves
the
problem
and
my
main
dinosaur
is
all
it
solves
all
the
issues
that's
been
brought
forward.
E
K
It
has
always
been
about
a
fairness
and
good
governance.
Yes,
it's
not
a
a
decision-making
body,
but
it
was
a
key
sounding
board
and
some
refer
to
a
to
covert
and
the
the
impact
that
body
set
a
numerous
times
every
week
during
Culvert
and
was
a
key
a
a
part
for
our
way
of
disseminating
information
and
around
you
know
what
was
happening
and
that
officers
could
a
sign
things
out
with
members.
K
I
would
ask
that
all
parties
take
the
opportunity
for
the
the
time
ahead
between
now
and
Monday
to
to
think
to
engage
with
each
other
and
to
consider
to
reconsider
the
decision
that
was
taken
because
constant
Addison
said
that
it
was
about
key
issues
which
has
been
discussed
at
the
the
party
leaders
forum.
So
if
the
key
issues,
why
are
they
exploding?
K
Some
members
of
council
from
those
key
issues,
if
it's
discussions,
it's
but
nothing
contentious,
there's
about
no
votes,
as
others
have
said,
then
why
explode
I
would
just
take
the
opportunity.
I
ask
people
to
take
the
opportunity
over
the
common
days
to
reconsider
their
stance.
It
wasn't
broke,
it
doesn't
need
fixed
and
it
has
been
something
that
has
really
worked
very
well
from
the
start,
and
it
was
actually
something
that
worked
in
the
old
Legacy
Council
as
well.
K
K
What
I
would
say
is
that
I'm
surprised
that
the
the
number
of
people
who
have
approached
me
out
from
in
the
community-
and
it
wasn't
some-
have
tried
to
articulate
that
it's
one
side
of
a
community
gearing
up
towards
another
and
then,
whenever
you
try
and
explain
what
the
party
for
leaders
forum
is
about
and
the
question
that
kept
coming
back
time
and
time
again
is
so
why
don't
want
the?
Why
don't
they
want
you
on?
K
It
are
they
trying
to
hide
something
and,
like
others
tonight
also
says,
well
look
you're
just
going
to
have
to
ask
those
who
are
opposed
to
myself
kind
of
alderman,
Barry
and
counselor
Radcliffe
from
being
on
the
Forum
and
I
have
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
colleagues
from
other
parties
who
have
been
supportive
and
recognize
the
need
for
the
the
full
breadth
of
opinion
on
Council
and
the
full
breadth
and
representation
of
the
communities
to
be
represented
and
for
their
support
in
what
we've
been
discussing
tonight.
Thank
you.
B
D
Thank
you
lordmer
and
can
I
firstly,
say
that
you
were
talking
to
her
about
Elixir,
press
and
27
or
28
years.
I
have
never
once
linked
anything
to
the
Press.
That's
not
the
way
I
operate,
so
I
can
assure
you
I
didn't
do
it
has
been
said
here
by
everybody.
It's
a
sounding
board.
D
It's
no
decision
making
and
we
don't
want
that
change,
never
did
it.
It
doesn't
make
decisions
and
I'm
happy
with
that,
but
it
does
disseminate
information
and
the
fact
that
it
doesn't
make
any
decisions.
I
cannot
say
why
three
individuals
cannot
sit
on
it
now.
I'm,
not
talking
about
you,
Lord
Mur
I'm,
talking
about
the
position,
but
the
Lord
Mur
sits
on
it.
They're,
not
a
group
leader,
not
a
party
leader.
D
D
Seven
or
five
or
seven
thousand
pound
a
Time
to
have
a
call
in
we
could
have
called
it
in,
but
wouldn't
do
that
because
we
wouldn't
waste
the
money
but
we're
we're
here
tonight
to
discuss
it
and
which
we're
quite
often
the
Lord
Mercury
of
who
could
have
declined
the
meeting
tonight
because
you
could
have
said
we're
meeting
on
Monday
night,
but
you
didn't
and
I
appreciate
that.
But
you
know
we
talked
about
Dan
saving
money
by
not
having
these
three
people
on
it.
D
They
blew
that
out
of
the
water
by
saying
they
didn't
want
the
money
anyway.
They
just
want
to
be
included
and
I.
Think
you
know,
inclusivity
is
what
it
should
be,
so
that
everybody
gets
to
meet
the
money
either
the
information
firsthand
and
that
we
don't
duplicate
officers
time
now
we're
talking
about
saving
money.
We
don't
duplicate
officers,
time
they
haven't
by
them
having
to
talk
to
the
other
three
individually
or
together.
D
B
Okay,
thank
you,
Alderman
Burns
members.
There's
a
rescinded
motion
coming
on
Monday
night,
there's,
nothing
more.
We
can
say
or
do
in
tonight's
Forum
I
think
everyone's
had
their
say
and
moving
forward,
then
under
item
four
any
other
relevant
business.
I,
don't
have
any
in
front
of
me
so
good
night
members
and
safe
home.
Thank
you.