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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Governance, Resources and Strategy Committee on Thursday the 13th of January 2022 at 6.30pm in the Council Chamber at Craigavon Civic and Conference Centre.
A
B
Can
I
ask
everyone
to
please
mute
their
microphones
at
all
times,
unless
invited
to
speak
by
myself
for
those
of
you
who
are
physically
in
the
council
chamber
this
evening
kind
of
remind
you
that
that,
when
speaking
into
your
microphone,
you
need
to
wait
until
you
see
yourself
on
the
screens,
so
the
live.
Feed
can
pick
up
your
comments.
B
C
B
B
Not
seeing
any
harms
or
any
lights
and
obviously
they
can
be
made
as
we
go
through
the
meeting
members
gender
item,
three
report
from
the
head
of
of
strategy
on
performance
and
with
two
decision
items
on
an
information
item.
So
item
3.1,
the
draft
performance
improvement
objectives,
anas
martina
mcnulty
to
present
welcome
martina
over
to
you.
D
Thank
you
very
much,
chair
and
good
evening.
Everybody!
Yes,
sir.
These
are
the
draft
performance
improvement
objectives
for
the
year
ahead,
22-23
and
we're
seeking
tonight
members
approval
to
go
out
with
these
for
a
public
consultation
exercise,
an
eight-week
public
consultation
exercise
to
start
in
february.
Hopefully-
and
members
will
note
that
previously,
we
had
drafted
improvement
objectives
for
a
two-year
period
last
year,
but
we
did
say
that
these
would
be
reviewed
and
in
relation
to
progress
that
was
made
and
other,
I
suppose,
prioritization
of
other
issues.
D
So
these
are
the
revised
improvement
objectives
and
we're
seeking
members
approval
to
go
out
to
consulting
these
and
members,
and
also
members
of
staff
internally
will
be
able
to
have
an
opportunity
to
input
and
fail
objectives
as
they
are
and
then
in
due
course.
These
will
be
brought
forward
for
final
approval
to
be
implemented,
a
fire
performance
improvement
plan
that
gets
published
prior
to
the
end
of
june.
Thank
you,
chair.
B
E
Yes,
thank
you,
sir.
Yes
thank
you
very
much
martina
for
that
report
and
a
good
week
weekend
over
the
weekend,
even
and
I'm
I'm
broadly
happy
with
it
and
I'm
happy
more
than
happy
to
propose
it
to
be
fair.
Just
I
wanted
to
just
comment
that,
just
today
I
did
receive
a
phone
call
regarding
your
your
first
objective,
which
is
the
availability
of
more
inclusive
services
and
filled
with
autism
and
occurred.
E
I
did
receive
a
phone
call
today,
actually
congratulating
the
council
on
the
work
that
has
been
acknowledged
right
at
navinfort
with
the
the
latest
award
there
and
we
we
do.
I've
said
this
many
time
members.
You
know
my
feeling
about
this.
We
still
have
a
lot
to
do,
but
we
do
also
have
a
lot
to
be
proud
of,
and
it
was
some
what
a
really
lovely
event
at
christmas.
I'm
very
proud
of
her
to
talk
about
it
all
the
time
I
make
no
apologies
for
it.
It
was.
E
I
know
things
were
different
this
year
with
the
restrictions,
but
honestly
it
would
do
your
heart
good
and-
and
it
really
is
so
beneficial
for
these
parents
and
families,
and
so
we're
doing
good
work
and
in
that
regard,
martina
and
just
happy
to
propose
and
we'll
keep
working
forward,
and
it's
good
to
be
getting
the
public's
views
on
this
too.
That's
vital!
Thank
you.
F
D
G
Thank
you.
I'm
happy
to
the
second
proposal
elementary
that
we
do
look
at
that
going
forward,
probably
with
with
some
more
specifics
around
it,
because
I
do
believe
from
memory
that,
on
a
previous
occasion
we
had
highlighted
in,
I
believe,
an
audit
report
around
issues
with
training
and
getting
management
training
completed.
Now
I
would
have
to
go
back
through
my
papers
at
that
some
level
to
give
you
the
exact
detail
of
that.
G
But
you
know
this
is
about
compulsory
training
for
our
staff
and
once
a
program
is
put
in
place,
it
should
be
done
within
that
time
scale
and
I
guess
what
other
major
is
asking
for
is
at
that
time.
Scale
be
reduced
quite
significantly
to
get
that
done,
because
if
we
drag
that
out,
then
we
go
a
longer
length
of
time
without
staff
appropriately
trained,
and
it
should
be
a
priority
to
make
sure
that
our
staff
have
the
appropriate
and
correct
feeling
to
allow
them
to
fulfill
their
rules
to
a
higher
standard.
G
B
F
B
B
H
Just
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
and
really
just
to
say
that
there's
a
huge
list
here
of
documents
and
topics
that
do
need
some
perusal
and
I
would
just
hope
that
martina
will
be
able
to
muster
the
right
amount
of
energy
for
each
one
of
them.
But
there's
one
there
about
the
department
of
education,
an
independent
review
of
education
and
it's
a
public
consultation,
and
I
I
would
think
we
as
a
body
as
a
council,
ought
to
make
some
sort
of
comment
about
that
public
consultation.
H
Now
I
haven't
read
the
document,
but
I
have
been
made
aware
of
some
of
the
issues
in
it.
It
is
a
widespread
document
and
it
affects
education.
Obviously,
in
this
area,
as
it
would
do
right
across
the
province.
So
I
think
this
does
need
some
perusal
and
it
may
be
that
we
just
come,
confer
and
and
and
if
you
like,
respect
the
the
comments
that
are
made
in
it.
But
and
it
is
a
review,
so
there
will
be
further
reviews
coming
afterwards,
but
it
is
an
important
topic
at
the
moment.
B
D
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
almond
weibo.
Yes,
as
as
you'd
said,
it
is
quite
a,
I
think,
we're
getting
more
and
more
consultations
all
the
time,
but
that's
that's
a
good
thing
that
we're
being
asked
for
our
views
and
certainly
in
relation
to
that
particular
one.
It
is
an
initial
views.
As
you
said,
there
will
be
further
reviews
further
views
taken.
So
I
think
I'm
aware
that
our
colleagues
in
community
planning
are
content
to
perhaps
have
a
look
at
this
on
our
behalf.
D
I
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
martina
for
outlining
the
process.
I
would
just
like
to
say
a
few
comments
on
consultation
number
10
from
the
department
of
communities
relating
to
local
government
ability
to
hold
remote
hybrid
meetings,
I'll
say
that
that
has
proposed
that
an
officer's
response
from
the
legal
democratic
services
team.
I
Within
that
response,
I
would
like
the
team
to
give
the
view
in
terms
of
council
that
we
would
support
the
extension
of
the
ability
to
hold
remote
and
hybrid
meetings,
and
I
would
say
that
for
four
sort
of
reasons
in
particular,
one
is
environmental
impact.
I
think,
since
we've
moved
to
this
remote
hybrid
setup,
there's
been
a
lot
less
cars
in
the
road
in
terms
of
members
and
officers
traveling
to
and
from
meetings,
in
some
cases,
multiple
meetings
and
one
evening.
I
I
I
I
think
the
transparency
of
our
business
and
even
the
scope
of
what
council
does
has
been
being
able
to
put
on
the
agenda
in
a
much
better
fashion,
given
that
all
these
meetings
are
live,
streamed,
they're
recorded
they're
on
youtube
and
they
don't
get.
You
know
regular
updates
in
the
past
with
regards
to
various
issues
now,
which
currently
would
have
gone
unhighlighted.
I
You
only
have
to
look
at
planned
committee
last
night
which
went
on
for
6.5
hours,
and
then
you
had
a
number
of
members
who
had
the
guts
of
it
in
order
to
travel
home
after
that.
So
I
would
have
be
able
to
view
that
and
within
the
officer's
response,
they
articulate
the
benefits,
certainly
of
this
organization,
from
going
to
remote,
hybrid
meetings
and
ask
that
that
option
be
extended
which
would
allow
this
council
to
continue
on
that
process
and
continue
to
reap
those
benefits.
Sure.
Thank
you.
J
I
obviously
were
going
to
have
differing
views
on
it,
but
I
I
think
it
would
be
important
that
the
chief
executive
of
the
director
would
need
to
meet
with
the
party
leaders
or
indeed
the
parties
individually,
to
seek
their
views
on
this,
because
I'm
of
the
opinion
and
always
have
been
of
the
opinion
as
things
relax
and
thankfully,
as
things
are
getting
better
in
relation
to
the
variance
variance
code
regulations,
are
hopefully
loosening
and
getting
more
flexible.
I
believe
we
need
to
be
around
the
table
again.
J
We
need
to
be
around
the
chamber
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
look
the
officers
in
the
eye
and
challenge
them
when
we
do
need
to
challenge
them
not
across
zoom,
but
face
to
face.
So
it's
good
to
see
officers
here
tonight.
There
could
be
more.
There
could
be
more
members
here
and
I
think
there
could
be
a
laziness
from
some
members
and
now
that
they've
got
two
comfortable
mabby
babies
sitting
at
home.
J
Zoom
has
served
a
purpose
to
serve
the
purpose
very
well
during
a
very
bad
pandemic,
but
I
think
we
have
to
get
to
the
next
stage
of
looking
at
an
exit
strategy
away
from
zoom
and
getting
back
around
the
table
and
getting
back
to
meetings,
keeping
the
safest
option,
obviously,
and
keeping
that
in
mind.
But
I
think
obviously
the
officer's
response
must
be
pretty
clear
from
all
members
in
relation
to
their
views.
Obviously
those
that
will
clearly
differ.
One
all
differs
already,
but
that's
my
view.
K
Thank
you,
chairman
and
good
evening
members.
Having
listened
to
the
two
previous
speakers,
the
recommendation
for
number
10
is
that
there
would
be
an
officer
response.
I
think
it's
fairly
clear
that
that
should
now
be
re-profiled
to
be
a
counselor
and
council
response,
so
there
perhaps
is
then
an
amendment
to
that
that
officers
will
draft
a
report
and
bring
that
forward
for
council
to
make
a
view
on
corporately,
chairman,
okay,.
E
Thank
you,
sir,
I'm
sorry
but
lost
for
words
after
statement
there,
but
apologies
that
I'm
at
home,
but
I
want
to
comment
actually
on
just
briefly
on
number
16..
Otherwise,
look
I'm
in
the
round
happy
enough
to
propose
this,
because
I
don't
think
there's
been
a
proposal
chair,
but
if
there
has,
maybe
I
need
a
second,
but
it's
just
one
of
the
things
that
has
jumped
out
to
me
that
I'm
contacted
probably
the
most
about
in
all
of
this
list
is
number
16,
which
is
the
inconsiderate
pavement
parking
options
paper.
E
I
probably
I
live
near
a
school
for
example,
so
I
I
would
be
doorstep
about
this
literally
doorstep
about
this
particular
issue.
We
also
have
a
very
we
have
a
number
of
very
busy
high
streets
and
turn
centers
and
village
centers
within
this,
this
large
borough-
and
so
this,
I
think,
is
quite
an
important
piece
of
exploratory
work
that
has
been
done
by
the
department
and
probably
I
would
fail
to
say
that
maybe
does
need.
Are
we
a
bit
more
pressing
but
more
highlighted,
perhaps
from
our
own
columns?
E
E
I
mean
inconsiderate
is
probably
a
polite
way
of
putting
it
because
we
all
know
the
problems,
that's
faced
by
this
with
buggies
and
prams
and
children
and
wheelchairs
and
people
with
mobility
issues,
and
it
really
is
a
big
inconvenience
to
a
lot
of
people.
So
that
was
the
one
that
stuck
out
with
me
other
than
that
I'm
quite
happy
sitting
here
on
zoom.
I
agree
with
them.
E
I
agree
have
to
say,
with
with
councillor
lavry
in
regards
to
the
environment
and
and
and
savings,
I
wasn't
going
to
say
anything,
but
I
really
was
we've
been
floored
there,
because
I
really
do.
I
don't
like
the
thought
that
I'm
thought
of
as
any
less
of
a
counselor,
because
I
am
sitting
in
in
my
own
home
and
I'm
on
my
third
zoom
of
the
day.
Quite
frankly,
so
I'm
quite
content
that
I
can.
E
B
L
Thank
you
chair
and
apologies
just
about
my
camera
this
evening
my
internet
has
been
temperamental
this
past
couple
of
meetings
and
it
seems
to
work
a
lot
better
with
the
camera
off
so
you'll.
Forgive
me
for
that
yeah.
Just
returning
to
the
issue
of
the
response
in
terms
of
remote
and
hybrid
meetings,
I
mean
the
first
thing
I'll
say
is
that
a
hybrid
meeting
offers
having
legislation
in
place
which
facilitates
hybrid
maintenance,
allows
council
the
flexibility
to
have
those
whether
or
not
members
you
know
wish
to
avail
of
them.
L
I
think
it's
important
that
the
option
is
there
for
us
and
other
councils
to
make
that
decision,
but
I
do
want
to
return
to
what
I
think
was
a
pretty
outrageous
remark
actually
from
councilman
paul
berry,
because
I
repre
I
represent
my
conditions
very
well
and
have
done
throughout
the
pandemic,
and
I
think
we
all
have-
and
I
I
mean
it's
just
it's
beyond
belief-
I
mean
we
don't
all
own
our
own
businesses
here.
I'll
say
that
much
not
all
of
us
have
the
flexibility
to
come
and
go
as
we
please.
L
In
terms
of
our
employers,
there
will
be
members
who
have
care
and
responsibilities.
There
will
be
members
who
will
be
asked
to
work
overtime
on
short
notice.
There
will
be
meetings
during
the
day
which
members
previously,
like
myself,
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
attend,
whereas
now
we
do
have
the
ability
to
attend
those
meetings
at
one
two
o'clock
o'clock
in
the
day.
L
So
this
is
about
all
of
those
things.
The
council
library
said
it's
about
accessibility,
it's
about
the
environment,
it's
about
saving
the
repair
money
and
I
think
it's
very
important
actually
that
we
as
a
council,
submit
that
council
response
and
have
that
to
be
amongst
ourselves
and
because
I
think
it's
very
important
for
the
future
of
local
government.
Beyond
just
covert
19,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
second
councillor
flaherty's
proposal
and
with
the
proviso
of
course,
that
we
do,
as
the
chief
executive
says,
submit
a
council
response
to
that
consultation.
Thank
you,
chair.
M
Yeah,
thank
you,
a
a
chairman,
and
I
would
like
to
support
the
the
sentiments
of
councillors,
lowry,
tennyson
and
flaherty.
Hey
I'm
sitting
with
the
child
on
my
knee
and
that
child's
getting
a
bottle.
I
don't
feel
that
I'm
doing
my
role
any
less
as
a
counselor.
In
fact,
I
think
that
I
am
doing
my
role
as
a
role
model
for
men
in
society
where
they
take
on
more
responsibility
and
that
we
just
don't
walk
out
of
the
house
and
leave
the
childcare
responsibilities.
M
They
tell
our
partners,
our
wives.
I
think
it's
an
outrageous
comment
by
councillor
barry.
I
would
have
expected
better
and
I
would
ask
them
to
withdraw
the
comment
that
is
that
they
someone
who
is
taking
on
the
responsibilities
at
home
is
lazy.
I
think
it's
an
outrageous
comment
and
I
would
ask
that
he
brought
immediately.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
just
in
relation
to
the
a
dfc
consultation
on
on
remote
meetings
and
they
absolutely
have
served
a
purpose.
Of
course,
it
has
always
been
our
party's
view
from
early
on
and
the
pandemic
that
the
elected
members,
you
know,
places
to
be
elected
to
this
chamber,
and
it
is
much
more
conducive
to
doing
business
when
we
are
all
here,
it
makes
it
much
easier
if
we
need
a
german,
so
we
need
to
deal
with
issues
during
meetings
and
being
on.
Zoom
makes
that
much
more
difficult.
G
Now,
of
course,
I
wouldn't
necessarily
share
all
of
the
same
views
as
counselor
barry
as
somebody
with
two
small
children
at
home.
So
on
that
basis
we
we
would
prefer
that
either
parties
would
make
an
individual
response
because
of
suspect
we're
not
going
to
get
agreement
from
the
floor
here
as
well,
but
country
flaherty,
point
16
as
well.
G
So
it
is
concerning
and
there's
been
a
couple
of
near
misses
in
certain
locations
in
the
town
and
we
all
have
them
in
our
constituency
in
their
patches,
and
I
think
considerate
parking
would
not
need
to
be
enforced.
If
people
who
were
parking
there
actually
were
considered
in
the
first
place,
and
so
I
I
don't
know
if
I
have
a
preference
on
the
the
options,
but
I
do
think
as
a
concept.
G
We
should
be
making
a
response
to
say
that
we
would
support
enforcement
measures
in
this
regard
and
that
either
of
the
options
would
be.
You
know
we
would
be
open
to
to
say
what
they
would
look
like
in
practice.
I
suppose,
but
I
guess
the
easiest
way
to
stop
people
from
doing
things
that
you
don't
want
them
to
do
is
to
issue
them
with
a
fixed
panel.
G
F
F
B
Thank
you
alden
mitre,
and
I
would
have
to
say
that
I
I
do
have
some
sympathy
for
the
comments
that
you
have
made
and
they
have
been
duly
noted.
So
thank
you
so
item
3.2
members
will
have
it
proposed
by
councillor.
Flaherty
has
been
seconded
by
councillor.
Tennyson
officers
have
taken
note
of
the
amendments
and
and
so
on,.
N
Thank
you
chair,
sorry
chair.
It
was
just
to
clarify
with
respect
to
consultation,
number
ten
there's
a
couple
of
suggestions.
There.
One
was
around
contributions
to
a
corporate
response.
The
other
one
was
that
parties
might
want
to
respond
individually,
and
I
just
wondered
if
we
could
get
a
bit
of
direction
on
that.
F
B
I
Yeah,
it's
just
to
get
some
clarity
on
there.
She
I
know
councillor
flaherty
had
initially
proposed
it
and
I
I
think
she
was
keen
on
getting
that
council
response
so
to
speak.
The
video
I
took
from
that
was
that
you
know
this
would
be
presented
at
full
council
and
will
be
debated
there
and
on
that
basis
I
understand
that
councilor
thompson's.
I
Second
in
that,
so
that
our
report
on
this
particular
consultation
item
will
become
under
full
council
for
debate
and
on
that
basis
I
understand
that
council
flag,
proposed
it
encountered
camps
and
seconded.
Would
that
be
clear?
I
think
from
country
flaherty
that
that
is
the
situation
and
that
our
importance
matter
will
be
debated
at
full
council
just
to
be
clear
on
this
consultation
item
10.
I
B
E
Yes,
yes,
sure,
thank
you
very
much.
Look.
I
think
it's
quite
clear.
This
probably
does
need
some
further
discussion
amongst
the
parties
yeah.
I
didn't
intend
on
speaking
on
number
10
at
all.
I
have
to
be
honest
until
I
just
felt
a
wee
bit
not
entirely
content
with
what
was
said
to
be
honest
with
you
and
that's
my
entitlement
to
say
that
absolutely,
but
if
there's
further
discussion
needed,
I'm
happy
enough
with
what
councillor
lavery
has
just
outlined
there.
C
So
everybody's
voice
was
heard.
I
think
that's
probably
a
sensible
way
to
do
this.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
have
a
debate
at
full
council
about
a
consultation
document
for
that's
all
it
is,
and
everybody
will
have
the
opportunity
to
submit
their
views
on
any
one
of
them.
As,
as
mentioned,
there's
going
to
be
more
of
these
coming
forward.
C
You
know
you
could
happen
to
be
at
every
night
of
the
week
on
an
individual
consultation,
so
I
think
the
way
forward
is
if
the
parties
want
to
contribute
our
individual
members
want
to
contribute,
so
be
it.
Let
them
include
it
in
our
response,
so
that
the
consultation
has
a
view
of
the
different
parties
in
the
council.
So
that's
all
I
want
to
say
thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
think,
and
the
council
savage
is
just
outlined
as
entirely
sensible
and
is
in
line,
I
think,
with
what
alderman
mitri
had
proposed.
I
think
my
confusion
actually
comes
from
the
proposal
that
country
flathead
made
because
it
was
unclear
to
me
as
to
what
that
was.
So
I
became
to
see
what
the
military
said,
because
she
talked
about
country,
barry's
comments
on
the
her
view
on
the
remote
meetings
and
the
consultation
and
then
went
to
item
16.
G
So
I'm
not
entirely
clear
as
to
what
the
proposal
actually
was.
I
just
thought
it
was
that
we
would
agree
with
the
schedule,
but
noting
that
there
was
no
agreement
with
the
item
10,
which
is
why,
then
all
the
motorists
proposed
that
parties
would
make
their
own
there.
So
that
was
my
assessment
of
it.
So
no
now,
after
concert
lottery
had
come
in
and
unchecked.
So
I
so
I'm
not
I'm
not
clear.
Just
not.
K
Thank
you
chairman,
and
we're
probably
at
the
stage
of
having
a
whole
lot
of
proposals
on
the
floor
and
the
confusion
around
all
of
that.
So
maybe,
if
I
can
try
and
simplify,
if
I
think
I've
got
the
understanding
of
it
right,
there
is
the
overall
schedule
which
needs
to
be
agreed.
There
are
three
items
that
we
have
been
talking
about
that
are
maybe
different
to
what
is
on
the
schedule.
One
of
them
is
around
the
education
that
alderman
twybell
referred
to.
K
K
Ultimately,
the
decision
then
comes
down
to
how
we
respond
to
item
10,
which
is
the
remote
meetings,
consultation,
and
there
are
obviously
two
views,
one
that
it
comes
back
to
the
council
or
one
that
we
make
the
party
views
so
just,
but
that
would
mean
a
number
of
people
withdrawing
their
proposals
to
allow
us
to
be
able
to
get
the
vast
majority
of
them
out
of
the
way
and
then
make
a
decision
on
the
remote
rigs
sure.
So
that
would
be
suggesting
to
try
and
get
some
clarity
on
it.
B
B
K
F
Thank
you
charm
ruth,
to
come
back
on
this
once
again,
but
there
isn't
agreement
throughout
the
chamber
in
relation
to
this
and
it's
a
fairly
simple
process.
It's
a
console,
technician
document.
Let
each
party
make
their
own
proposal
and,
let's
move
on
by
their
own
submission,
let's
move
on.
Thank
you.
I
can't
support
support
the
proposal.
That's
on
the
floor.
L
Thank
you
chair,
and
it's
just
in
response
to
the
suggestion
that
parties
can
just
do
their
own
response
and
move
on.
I
don't
actually
think
that
that's
necessarily
useful,
because
obviously
this
concerns
local
government
directly
and
therefore
I
think
it's
important
that,
for
example,
officers
and
democratic
services
and
other
departments
would
be
able
to
feed
in
as
the
applications
for
them.
L
Ultimately,
the
only
difference
that
we're
going
to
make
as
members
is
the
direction
as
to
whether
we
believe
that
there
should
be
facilitation
for
remote
hybrid
meetings,
and
then
the
officers
will
be
concerned
with
operationally
what
those
considerations
are
and
they
would
need
to
be
reflected
in
the
consultation.
So
I
think
that
councilor
flaherty's
proposal
and
that
we
arrive
at
a
corporate
response
and
members
have
sight
of
the
consultation
response-
is
actually
a
much
more
rational
way
forward.
L
So
I'm
here
compliant
with
public
health
regulation
or
the
public
health
guidance
and
I'll
be
clear
that
you
know
last
year
whenever
things
were
a
bit
better,
I
did
come
in
and
attend
meetings
in
person
whenever
I
felt
it
was
valuable
to
do
that,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
members
aren't
judged
or
vilified
and
for
making
the
decisions
that
we
feel
to
be
best
for
ourselves,
our
families
and
our
co-workers.
Thank
you.
E
E
I
I
really,
I
can't
even
think
how
that
became
as
complicated
as
it
just
has,
because,
yes,
I
came
in
to
actually
highlight
an
issue
of
inconsiderate
parking.
Unfortunately,
the
member
just
spoke
just
before
me
had
insinuated
that
I
was
lazy
for
sitting
at
home.
That's
all
I
was
getting
at
sure
with
all
due
respect,
so
all
I
meant
was
if
we
have
to
go
back
and
speak
to
our
groups
and
feed
that
back
in
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say.
That's
my
take
on
this.
E
The
rest
of
your
members
can
can
say
what
she's
like,
but
that's
that's
all
I
was
saying
that's
all
I
was
saying
I
agree
with
councillor
savage
kevin
savage.
These
consultation
papers
are
brought
to
us
every
monday,
quite
within
our
rights,
to
talk
about
whichever
one
we
want
to.
So
I
don't
know
what
where
that
takes
you
chair,
but
that's
my
last
word
on
it.
I'm
stand
by
my
proposal.
J
I
think
it's
abundantly
clear,
chair
that
if
you
bring
this
back
to
a
full
turn,
so
maybe
the
chief
executive
fund,
the
directors,
will
be
scratching
their
head.
Wonder
what
response
they're
going
to
make
like.
Is
it
not
clear?
You
know
those
that
are
in
the
chamber
are
sitting
at
home.
Everybody
has
different
views
on
this,
and
every
party
in
their
own
parties
are
going
to
have
different
views
and
you
throw
that
into
the
council
chamber.
As
councillor
savage
has
said,
the
officers
aren't
going
to
be
fit
to
make
a
report.
J
So,
as
alderman
mutry
has
said,
let
the
different
parties
make
their
submission
to
the
chief
executive
and
then
they
can
be
consulted
back
to
the
department
of
communities
because
you're
not
going
to
get
one
message
here
tonight
or
at
the
end
of
the
month.
It's
not
going
to
happen.
Everybody
has
their
own
views
in
relation
to
it.
B
C
Thank
you
chair
for
just
letting
me
back
in
there.
I
just
noticed
that
the
consultation,
the
the
daylight
it's
the
15th
of
february.
I
just
came
to
full
time
so
there's
a
possibility
that
could
actually
be
called
then
and
ultimately
you
know
we
couldn't
have
a
consultation
in
time.
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
just
for
members,
knowledge
or
just
in
case
you
know,
so
I
think
you
know
we'll
probably
save
her
magnus
and
head
as
soon
as
we
can
sure.
Thank
you.
B
B
B
G
D
B
D
B
Okay,
thank
you
martina
any
questions
or
queries
for
martina
on
this
one
not
seeing
any
hands
are
any
lights
in
the
chamber,
so
as
an
information
item
move
on.
Thank
you.
Members
agenda
item
number
four
report
from
the
head
of
tourism,
arts
and
culture
and
as
decision
as
a
decision
item
members
on
this
item-
4.1,
honest
noven,
center
iron,
age
dwelling,
and
it's
welcome
to
brian
johnson
to
present
this
report.
Brian.
P
The
report
was
presented
and
approved
by
internal
officer
ent
in
november
and
then
subsequently
and
brought
the
economic
development
and
regeneration
committee
on
the
14th
of
december
2021,
and
I
noted
that
point
was
again
that
we
look
at
the
professional
fees
and
that
was
noted
that
evening,
which
we
are
doing
and
so
as
required
by
the
capital
progress
process.
The
approval
of
the
governance,
resources
and
strategy
committee
is
required
before
capital
monies
can
be
committed
to
a
project
before
moving
to
stage
three,
which
is
committed
project
development.
P
F
P
P
F
B
P
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
and
I
suppose
that
the
professional
fees
figure
came
from
the
initial
assessment
from
the
independent
specialist
that
undertook
the
work,
so
I
think,
there's
still
there's
still
another
degree
of
scrutiny
to
go
through
in
terms
of
in
that
business
case.
So
there
will.
This
will
still
this
blue
back
in
front
of
members
again
in
terms
of
that
additional
assessment,
and
so
for
this
evening,
we're
only
asking
for
approval
to
proceed
with
a
business
case
and
not
actually
the
spend
at
this
point.
P
G
G
I
do
estates
and
assets
there's,
maybe
some
independent.
We
don't
have
a
fixed
price,
so
we're
agreeing
you're
asking
us
to
agree
a
business
case
without
us,
knowing
how
much
that
spend
is
going
to
be,
and
then
you're
telling
us
that
professional
fees
could
be
fifty
percent
as
well
and
we're
not
clear
on
that
either.
G
So
I
am
wondering,
can
we
do
a
bit
of
work
around
that
if
members
are
happy
and
we
can
bring
that
back
to
the
council
meeting?
Is
that
possible
in
light
of
all
their
movies
concerns,
and
then
queries
are
not
having
information
around
how
much
a
business
case
is
going
to
cost
for
this
project,
given
the
fact
that
I,
the
phase
for
professional
fees
are
set
currently
in
the
report
at
50
percent
I'll
be
a
wee
bit
concerned.
K
K
When
a
project
is
identified,
there
will
be
a
notional
budget
that
will
be
set
out.
It
then
has
to
get
worked
up
into
more
detail
depending
on
the
the
size
and
the
scale
of
the
project.
That
will
determine
the
extent
of
the
business
case
that
needs
to
be
developed.
So
I
think
that's
why
brian's
saying
it's
hard
to
say
the
business
case
is
going
to
cost
x,
y
or
z
because
of
its
small
project.
B
B
B
B
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
and
a
good
evening.
Members
members.
The
report
before
you
tonight
is
relation
to
the
draft
environmental
strategy
for
northern
ireland.
It's
a
constitutional
response
that
officers
have
prepared
members
well
note
that
the
the
draft
strategy
consultation
seeks
to
support
carbon
budgeting
and
changing
measures
alongside
proposals
from
more
pacific
to
areas
such
as
waste
management,
protection
of
the
environment
through
potential
additional
environmental
health
services.
A
The
consultation
response
has
been
drafted
by
officers
and
certainly
seek
to
get
members
views
in
relation
to
the
constitution
response
itself.
The
deadline
for
the
constitution
is
the
18th
of
january
and
from
an
officer
point
of
view,
and
we
would
welcome
the
strategy.
It
is
a
significant
step
forward
in
terms
of
the
protection
of
the
local
environment,
but
certainly
the
draft
responses
and
appendix
one
from
amber's
consideration.
Thank
you.
B
B
B
And
it's
been
seconded
by
councillor
kevin
savage,
so
with
we've
heard
it
proposed
by
councillor
lavry
and
seconded
by
councillor
kevin
savage,
I'm
putting
it
to
the
million
members
all
agreed
agreed.
Thank
you
agenda
item.
5.2
is
an
information
item
and
it's
the
draft
green
growth
strategy
for
northern
ireland
and
it's
jonathan
hayes
again
jonathan.
A
Thank
you
chair
and
again
members,
and
this
report
is
for
information.
Two
members,
the
great
green
growth
strategy
sets
had
an
ambitious
vision
on
a
framework
for
delivery
with
which
all
other
northern
ireland
government
policies
and
strategies
and
muslim
has
proposed
within
the
astrology,
provides
an
importantly
vital
opportunity
to
enable
wider
climate
change,
green
economy
and
the
environmental
considerations
when
making
decisions
at
a
departmental
level.
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
jonathan,
any
questions
or
queries
for
jonathan
on
this,
not
seeing
any
hans
at
home
or
any
likes
in
the
chamber
as
a
as
an
information
item,
that's
grant
and
I've.
You
know
I
I
think.
Certainly
it's.
It
is
an
absolutely
vital
issue.
It's
probably
one
of
the
main
issues
that
we,
as
as
a
society
and
as
a
community.
He
faced
going
forward
in
terms
of
the
climate
change
and
about
diversity.
B
Q
I
get
sure
yeah
just
to
thank
jonathan
for
the
reading
through
this
reply
to
it
all,
and
I
suppose
one
thing
that
jumps
out
of
me
is
lead
by
example,
and
I
suppose
that's
what
our
politicians
at
stormwind
need
to
be
doing.
They
need
to
be
leading
by
example
and
driving
us
forward,
because
it's
so
important
to
everybody
within
our
community
from
right
from
young
to
old,
and
it's
the
future
we're
talking
about
here.
So
it's
great
to
see
that
we're
they're
finally
starting
to
move.
So
thank
you,
chair.
B
B
Councillor
barry
proposed
ultimate
tribal
seconded
that
we
went
to
committee.
So
at
this
stage
I
have
to
read
out
the
following
statement:
members
and
online
viewers.
In
accordance
with
schedule,
6
of
the
local
government
act
exempt
information.
We
will
now
be
moving
into
a
confidential
session
of
the
council.
This
means
that
we
will
be
turning
off
the
public
fade
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
restarted.
B
A
B
G
B
B
B
A
A
A
G
G
F
B
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
G
G
G
A
A
A
B
B
G
G
B
S
B
B
A
A
S
G
S
C
G
B
U
S
G
B
G
G
B
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
B
Session,
thank
you
very
much
agenda
item
11,
any
other
relevant
business
members
office.
Remember
the
public
I
haven't
been
notified
of
any
excuse
me
any
relevant
items
of
any
other
business.
So
at
that
stage
it's
my
duty
to
call
the
meeting
to
close.
Can
I
thank
you
all
for
your
participation
this
evening
and
wish
you
our
remainder
of
a
good
evening
thanks
members.