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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Governance, Resources and Strategy Committee on Wednesday the 8th of September 2021 at 6.30pm
C
Alderman
mitry
has
sent
his
apologies.
B
Okay,
that
been
the
case
agenda
item
two:
are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
numbers
and,
and
of
course
we
can
take
these
as
we
go
through
the
various
agenda
items
not
seeing
any
hands
on
my
screen.
So,
okay
agenda
item
number
three,
which
is
the
report
from
the
head
of
strategy
on
performance,
and
there
are
six
the
decision
items
we'll
take
them
one
at
a
time
and
it's
over
to
martina
mcnulty
to
present
martina.
Thank
you.
D
C
D
The
first
one
before
you
tonight,
members
is
the
draft
customer
care
action
plan
for
the
year
2122.
This
is
something
that
hopefully
you're
familiar
with
as
a
an
annual
action
plan.
You
would
have
received
a
report
on
last
year's
performance
in
this
area
and
the
details
within
the
report,
and
I
just
want
to
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
would
ask
members
to
consider
the
report
and
approve
it.
D
B
D
members
will
be
aware
that
earlier
in
the
year,
we
carried
out
some
public
consultation
in
relation
to
performance
improvement
objectives
which
forms
the
main
body
of
this
plan
for
the
for
the
year
ahead
and
the
next
year
with
a
set
of
improvement
objectives,
which
will
then
be
reported
on
mid-year
to
the
committee
and
then
they'll
be
included
in
our
annual
report
for
the
following
year.
Also
contained
within
the
report
at
appendix
2
is
the
consultation
report.
D
So
it
gives
members
details
on
some
of
the
feedback
we
got
and
obviously
that
was
considered
in
relation
to
development
of
this
final
plan
and
also
at
appendix
3.
We
have
some
correspondence
from
the
department
for
communities
just
dated,
I
think
the
8th
of
june
in
relation
to
their
requirements
for
the
year
ahead.
D
For
example,
it
did
extend
the
publication
date
of
this
plan
from
the
end
of
june
until
the
end
of
september
this
year,
and
I
think,
actually
just
earlier
this
year
and
it'll
be
going
to
the
public
performance
and
audit
committee
later
this
month,
received
further
confirmation
that
the
legislation
had
been
put
through
to
be
able
to
confirm
that
legislatively
those
changes.
Is
a
statutory
requirement
again
happy
to
take
any
comments
in
relation
to
this,
either
now
or
even
before
the
publication
date
at
the
end
of
the
month.
Thank.
B
D
Yeah
sure
so
this
is
a
draft
public
consultation
policy.
Again
members
are
asked
to
approve
the
policy
contained
at
appendix
one
and
it
sets
out
the
strategic
context
for
undertaking
public
consultation
by
council
and
promotes
best
practice
to
staff
involved
in
conducting
and
reporting
on
public
consultation.
D
So
I
guess
it's
it's
a
further
piece
of
governance
for
us
and
there
will
be
further
guidance
for
staff
and
further
rollout
of
training
whenever
this
policy
has
been
approved
and
it
has
been
drafted
and
based
on
any
best
practice
that
we're
aware
of
and
and
taken
out
into
account
the
views
of
our
senior
leadership
team
as
well.
D
B
B
B
D
Moving
on
then
to
item
3.4,
so
this
is
the
annual
equality
progress
report,
and
it
really
is,
you
know,
enables
the
council
to
review
and
report
on
our
progress
on
the
implementation
of
our
strategies
under
section
75
of
the
northern
ireland
act
and
progress
on
the
implementation
of
positive
duties
under
section
49a
of
the
disabilities
discrimination
act
and
it
will
be.
You
know
it's
recommended
to
members
to
approve
it
so
that
then
it
can
be
submitted
to
the
quality
commission
for
their
information.
B
G
I
couldn't
sorry
sarah,
I
couldn't
find
my
hands
up.
I
just
wanted
to.
G
Yeah,
I'm
happy
enough
to
propose
this.
I
just
is
there
an
opportunity
there
martina
for
you
to
give
us
an
update.
I
know
we
had
started
some
equality
training.
It
wasn't
exactly
how
I
had
envisaged
it
at
the
time,
but
is
there
any
chance
of
an
update
on
if
there's
any
further
training
going
to
be
provided
to
members
around
understanding
the
section
75
and
stuff
for
for
for
members.
D
Certainly
chair
counselor
hawking.
I
will
get
back
to
you
in
that
modern
and
obviously
we'll
advise
all
members
in
relation
to
that
I'll
speak
to
mary
hannah
who's,
our
main
lead
in
this
area
and
I'll
I'll
come
back
to
you
on
that.
Thank
you.
B
D
Yes,
thank
you
so
item
3.5
is
our
policy
screen
and
report
for
september
and
contained
within
the
report
at
the
appendix?
There
are
seven
policies
included
within
this
report
and
again
it's
the
recommendation
is
to
you
know,
approve
that.
So
again,
we
can
share
that
with
our
quality
council
tease,
which
includes
obviously
the
quality
commission
for
northern
ireland
as
well,
and
then
we
place
that
on
the
council's
website
for
public
information
also.
B
D
3.6
is
our
regular
report
on
consultation
documents
from
external
organizations
up
until
september
and
you'll
see
there's
quite
a
number
there
that
we've
managed
to
gather
up
over
the
course
of
the
last
few
months.
I
suppose
over
the
summer
period
as
well
and
you'll,
see
some
of
the
consultation
responses
coming
through
the
relevant
committees
and
including
this
one.
So
if
there's
any
any
queries
on
that.
H
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
martinez
for
that
agenda.
Item
agenda
item
four,
which
is
the
report
from
the
head
of
community
planning
policy
and
research.
The
report's
been
circulated
and
we
have
one
decision
item
on
one
information
item
and
it's
over
to
elaine
gillespie
at
4.1,
the
which
is
an
item
for
decision
elaine.
C
Thank
you,
chair
and
evening
members,
yeah,
4.1
members
is
a
decision
item
and
it's
the
consultation
by
the
department
of
health
on
the
proposed
new
framework
for
an
integrated
career
system
for
northern
ireland
to
replace
the
health
and
social
care
board
structures
when
they
cease
to
exist
next
march.
So
march
22-
and
this
is
part
of
the
ongoing
transformation
for
health
services.
C
C
If
it
takes
this
wider
focus,
we
would
suggest
that
consideration
is
given
to
the
resources
of
community
planning
partnerships
to
work
within
their
structures.
To
do
this,
work
to
avoid
duplication
of
effort,
remember
the
response
must
be
submitted
by
the
17th
of
september.
So,
if
agreed
tonight,
the
response,
including
any
amendments
or
changes
as
suggested,
will
be
submitted,
subject
to
full
council
ratification.
B
C
Thank
you
chair
and,
as
you
say,
this
is
just
an
information
item
members.
It's
the
agenda
for
the
upcoming
strategic
partnership
meeting
at
the
end
of
the
month
and
the
film
papers
will
be
circulated
to
all
members
of
the
committee
ahead
of
the
meet
and
happening
and
if
you've
any
comments
you
want
to
raise,
you
can
speak
to
the
community
planning
team
or
one
of
the
council
representatives
on
the
partnership
itself.
Members.
I
would
just
draw
your
attention.
C
There
is
a
slight
inaccuracy
in
the
the
paper
I
do
have
counselor
flaherty
listed
as
the
ulster
unionist
rep
on
the
strategic
partnership,
but
she
has
been
superseded
by
alderman
twybell
this
year,
as
vice
chairs
committee.
So
apologies
for
that
inaccuracy.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
elaine
members,
any
questions,
queries
for
elaine.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
then
just
to
put
on
the
record
thanks
elaine,
for
following
up
some
of
the
queries
I
had
in
the
previous
month
around
some
of
the
work,
that's
ongoing
in
terms
of
the
action
plan
of
the
department
and
appreciate
the
detail,
particularly
for
the
I
think,
of
the
agent
whale
and
and
some
of
the
other
schemes
that
are
rolling
out
there
so
appreciate
that
in
relation
to
this
alien
and
you'll
know
my
interest
in
this.
I
You
know
I've
spoken
about
this
before,
but
in
terms
of
a
obviously
the
elected
members
represented
on
this
come
from
the
five
million
parties,
and
I
have
no
objection
to
that
whatsoever.
But
it's
just
to
say:
will
the
minutes
of
these
meetings
be
available?
The
likes
of
myself
for
councilor
barry
who
won't
be
attending
the
meeting
or
previewing
any
of
the
conversations
or
discussions?
If
so,
will
they
be
sent
to
us
will
could
be
part
of
the
papers
for
this
committee
or
how
would
that
work.
B
C
Thanks,
yes,
absolutely
so
the
papers
ahead
of
the
partnership
meeting
happening
will
be
sent
to
all
members
of
this
committee.
So
you'll
see
those
info
and
the
minutes
then
will
be
brought
back
through
this
governance
committee
once
they're
once
they're
finalized,
so
that
will
probably
probably
not
have
them
ready
for
october
committee,
but
they'll
come
through
the
november
committee.
So
the
full
minutes
of
the
partnership
yeah
comes
through
this
committee.
I
C
Thanks
that
can
be
done
in
a
couple
of
ways:
counselor
cosby!
You
can
either
speak
to
a
member
of
the
community
plan
and
team
or
if
there's
something
of
interest,
you
can
speak
to
one
of
the
five
counselor
reps
and
ask
them
to
raise
that
because
they're
there
to
represent
and
all
of
the
elected
members
in
that
and
through
this
committee-
that's
how
they
do
that.
So
there
are
reps,
but
you
can
speak
directly
to
a
member
of
the
team
or
feed
it
in
through
one
of
the
counselor
reps.
B
But
you're
happy
with
that
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
elaine
and
there's
no
other
questions
or
queries
for
lane.
So
thank
you.
Agenda
item
five,
which
is
the
report
from
the
head
of
the
states
on
asset
management
and
it's
jonathan
has
to
present
on
his
5.1
and
it's
a
decision.
Adam.
A
J
Sorry
yeah
thank
you,
chair
and
a
good
evening.
Members
members.
The
report
before
you
tonight
is
in
relation
to
a
request
that
officers
have
received
in
relation
to
the
queen's
green
canopy
in
essence,
to
mark
her
majesty's
platinum
jubilee
in
20
in
2022
officers
have
consulted
with
the
biodiversity
officer
within
council
in
relation
to
a
number
of
planting
schemes
that
are
currently
scheduled
to
take
place
over
the
next
number
of
years
and
within
the
report
members
you
will
see
the
detail
associated
with
some
of
those
schemes.
J
This
is
a
preliminary
report
members
and
it
is
proposed.
You
will
note
at
the
end
of
the
report
there,
that
a
further
detailed
report
would
come
back
to
committee
whenever
officers
have
further
considered
this
in
some
more
detail
and
that
further
report
would
be
brought
back
to
the
committee
over
the
next
number
of
months.
Happy
to
take
any
questions.
Sure
thank.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
john
bringing
this.
Actually,
it
is
well.
He
raised
it
with
me
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
after
this
came
initially
the
party
leaders,
because
I
I
had
perhaps
noticed
a
motion
around
a
similar
issue,
particularly
around
the
jubilee
and
marking
it
certainly
with
trees.
So
this
is
welcome
coming
forward
and
I'm
happy
to
propose
that
that
we
approve
the
request
and
we
support
the
queen's
green
canopy.
I
Bilingual
delivery
of
a
number
of
the
existing
tree
planting
projects
were
possible.
I
set
out
to
report.
However,
I
would
I
would
go
a
wee
bit
further
than
that,
just
to
say
that
we
should
also
be
exploring
as
much
of
our
open
spaces
and
things
like
that
as
well.
To
maximize
this
and
also
encourage
groups,
community
groups
and
local
charities
also
to
get
involved
and
maybe
make
available
some
of
our
open
park.
I
Space
were
appropriate
and
I'm
thinking
of
the
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
acres
of
land
we
have
around
by
oxford
island.
Can
I
go
in
our
parks
in
villa
you
know,
poor
down
public
park
brownstown
I
mean
constituency
and
then
bring
very
clean.
So
we
should
be
encouraging
those
groups
to
get
on
board
with
us,
because
we
do
hear
lots
of
talk
about
you
know
bringing
down
our
carbon
footprint
one
of
the
ways
to
do
that
is
by
planting
trees
to
offset
that.
I
So
I
think
it's
a
really
great
initiative
by
our
majesty,
the
queen
and
the
prince
of
wales.
So
I
think
we
should
be
supporting
it.
We
should
get
behind
it
and
we
should
be
shouting
about
it
and
getting
the
community
a
bit.
You
know
animated
about
it
as
well,
just
to
kind
of
highlight.
I
would
like
to
see
maybe
some
more
specifics
around
this
news
and
some
I
we
could
do
this.
I
We
could
do
that
in
the
report
and
you're,
like
maybe
broad
agreement,
but
I
think
there
are
areas
where
you
could
be
planting.
You
know
70
good
trees
and
there's
a
big
stretch
of
land.
I
can
see
it
now
in
the
mainstay
just
along
the
back
of
branston
park
from
kids
united
through
the
rmi
road
there's,
an
ample
space
for
70,
good
trades,
they're,
marking
their
the
platinum
jubilee,
but
also
contributing
to
the
biodiversity
in
brownstown
park,
along
with
the
wild
flowers.
They've
already
been
planted
there.
I
So
that's
one
example:
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
some
input
into
into
that
work,
particularly
when
we
can
get
access
to
those
trees
from
the
woodland,
trust
and
others
at
very
little
cost,
so,
if
any
so
that
I
would
happily
propose,
but
also
then
that
we
would
explore
as
much
of
our
land
portfolio
as
we
could
to
see
what
was
feasible.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
chair,
no
just
to
come
in
the
second
set.
We
know
how
sensitive
people
are
about
trees,
not
and
planting
trees
in
the
past,
so
I
would
wholeheartedly
seconds
out
proposal
and
we
move
forward
to
plant
as
many
trees
as
possible.
Thank
you.
B
I
I
B
I
That
that's
okay!
I
appreciate
your
indulgence.
Hey,
mr
chairman,
I
know
you've
been
gracious
to
me.
It
is
just
to
raise
a
point
on
the
issue
of
working
groups,
mr
chairman,
through
you
just
because
the
issue
of
working
groups
has
been
one
of
frustration
for
me
personally
and
and
others,
and
I
have
been
through
your
standing
orders.
I
You
can
imagine-
and
I
can't
see
anything
in
them
in
relation
to
working
groups
and
things
like
that
and
the
supposed
three
is
to
say
it
again,
because
I
now
said
as
an
independent
on
the
council,
and
I
know
that
ken
is
a
suggestion
that
I
would
be
a
part
of
a
working
group,
and
I
appreciate
that.
But
I'm
wondering
is
there
a
way?
Maybe
we
could
resolve
this
this
evening.
I
have
always
believed
that
the
working
groups
actually
are.
I
I
I
don't
see
that
as
being
democratically
reflect
reflective
of
the
makeup
of
the
council,
and
I
I
would
be
of
the
view
personally
that
we
need
to
be
taking
a
different
approach
to
that
and
making
it
more
reflective
of
the
size
of
all
of
the
parties
on
the
council,
and
I
see
liam's
looking
intently
at
the
camera.
I'm
thinking
of
you
too
liam.
You
know
and
making
sure
your
party's
fairly
represented
on
these
things
too,
but
my
suggestion
would
be,
and
my
proposal
on
it
would
be
fairly
straightforward.
I
If
you
do
indulge
me
and
appreciate
to
have
so
far
is
that
working
groups
as
they
currently
exist
sit
with
13
members
on
them.
If
I
was
to
be
added
to
them,
that
would
be
two
from
each
party
paul,
berry,
myself,
plus
the
chair
of
the
relevant
committee.
I
My
proposal
is
that
there
would
be
no
change
in
the
size
of
the
committees,
but
how
they're
concerned
the
working
groups,
how
they're
constructed
could
change
and
that
we
would
run
the
haunt
in
the
same
way
we
do
the
10
places
on
the
pcsp
and
we
would
allocate
10
places
via
de
haunt,
which
would
mean
that
the
eup
they
also
unions
and
shinton
would
each
have
three
places
the
sap
the
alliance
would
have
won
and
paul
barry,
and
I
would
then
also
have
a
space
on
those
now,
I'm
not
down
the
ditch
over
my
own
place.
I
I
understand
whatever.
If
members
want
to
boot
me
out
off
that
and
keep
me
up.
That's
up
to
them.
That's
fine
and
I'm
okay
with
that,
but
my
proposal
would
be
that
we
would
move
that
way,
thus
keeping
the
working
groups
with
the
same
number,
but
with
a
different
political
makeup
to
represent
the
makeup
of
the
council
itself,
so
I'll
make
that
a
proposal.
Mr
chairman,.
B
B
There
was
a
fight
between
the
alliance
party
there
in
terms
of
owen
in
terms
of
counseling
tennyson
and
councillor
lavry.
So
if
they
start
out
there,
we,
you
know
sort
of
snuff
through
their
counselor
tennyson.
L
L
But
I
just
think
it's
quite
a
rash
change
to
how
council
operates
to
just
take
a
decision
on
the
spot
now,
so
I
would
propose
that
we
actually
defer
this
decision
and
maybe
if
we
could
have
a
look
at
maybe
three
party
leaders
or
maybe
I'll
defer
to
the
chief
executives
to
where
the
most
appropriate
place
and
to
discuss
it,
would
be
where
all
members
would
have
an
input
and
if
we
could
defer
a
decision
on
this
until
next
month
to
give
us
a
few
weeks
just
to
consider
and
the
best
way
forward,
because
I
am
keen
that
independent
voices
are
heard
and
accommodated
in
those
working
groups,
and
I
think
that
is
a
fair
aim
that
that
will
all
kind
of
coalesce
around.
B
H
H
My
idea
of
the
proper
venue
for
it
would
be
the
the
governance
working
group,
which
has
been
very
successful
over
the
past
two
or
three
years
and
dealing
with
a
whole
range
of
different
issues
with
upper
b.
If
counselor
tennis
was
up
enough
for
that
that
we
would
certainly
raise
that
at
the
working
group
and
that
filters
way
through
back
the
committee
that
way.
B
Thank
you,
so
you
you
you're
making
that,
as
are
you
our
second
and
councillors,.
M
C
L
About
a
second
and
councillor
cosby's
motion
thank
our
proposal.
Thank
you.
B
Proposal
right,
okay,
so
conscious,
counselor
cosby
was
the
first
proposal
that
was
made.
It
has
now
been
seconded.
So
are
we
in
agreement
members.
B
L
B
F
B
B
I
I
Another
working
group,
which
is
made
up
of
the
very
difficult
difficulties
that
I'm
trying
to
get
around
here
so
of
course,
the
information
that
comes
through
that
will
ultimately
come
to
this
committee.
So
the
committee
would
ultimately
make
the
decision
and
the
proposal
was
fairly
straightforward
and
clear
and
will
probably
be
the
same
discussion
that
will
be
had
at
the
working
group
and
then
brought
back
to
this
committee
and
then
put
in
the
floor
of
the
committee
again
and
I
think
we're
just
prolonging.
I
You
know
an
inevitable
going
around
to
the
hamster
whale
here.
So
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
so
I'm
disagreed
with
it,
but.
N
Thank
you
chairman.
Ultimately,
no
decision
on
this
will
be
made
until
we
get
to
the
council
meeting
at
the
end
of
the
month
I
mean
I
haven't,
had
a
chance
to
to
talk
to
councillor
cosby
about
this,
and
probably
would
just
want
to
make
sure
I've
got
my
head
around
it
and
make
sure
that
there
are
no
issues
around
that.
N
So
I
suppose
what
I
would
maybe
be
suggesting
to
members
tonight
is
subject
to
what
both
the
proposers
have
said
is
that
I
take
this
away
and
look
at
it
and
based
on
what
has
been
talked
about,
we
bring
the
report
to
council
because
no
decision
as
I've
said,
will
be
made
until
that
point
in
time,
and
at
least
then
that
will
allow
myself
or
sharon
or
kate
just
to
double
check
that
you
don't
end
up
making
a
decision
that
there
could
be
a
future
issue
around.
N
O
B
I
Sir,
I
just
would
raise
his
point
of
order
under
point
of
order.
Number
30,
mr
chairman
and
country
lobby,
may
wish
to
have
a
look
at
that
one
as
well,
in
that
it
states
interpretation
standards.
The
ruling
of
the
lord
marriage,
chairperson,
has
the
interpretation,
construction
or
application
of
any
of
these
standing
orders,
or
else
the
only
proceedings
of
the
council
shall
not
be
challenged
in
any
meeting
of
the
council.
If
you
are
well
within
the
right
to
do
with
what
you've
done,
regardless
of
standing
order,
14
that
he's
been
raised.
I
So
thank
you
for
your
indulgence.
I've
made
my
views
on
the
matter
very
clear.
The
proposal
stands
because
I
do
believe
that
this
committee
is
the
right
forum
for
for
discussing
this
issue
understand
under
any
other
business
been
afforded
to
do
so.
We
can
have
the
debate
and
the
discussion
about
it.
Now
members
wanted
to
bot
it
off,
probably
more
in
mind
to
to
agree
with
the
chief's
assessment
in
terms
of
getting
a
decision.
I
The
last
thing
I
want,
though,
is
just
to
be
kicked
in
to
the
hamster
wheel
of
committees
and
working
groups
and
we're
delaying
the
late
and
delayed
and
in
six
months
time
I
still
have
no
clarity
on
my
position
on
the
council
with
a
year
later
on
the
mandate
and
that's
a
very
selfish
point
of
view,
except
that,
but
one
that
I
think
needs
to
be
clarified,
because
I
still
have
constituents
to
represent
them.
Those
working
groups
are
quite
fundamental
to
some
of
the
discussions
and
weapons
of
the
council.
So
thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
councillor,
cosby,
and
certainly
for
and
and
in
terms
of
my
term
as
chair
of
this
committee.
Debate
won't
be
stifled,
won't
be
stifled,
and
I
made
it
quite
clear
when
I
was
bringing
councillor
cosby
in
councillor
library
that
that
it
was
indulgent.
So
councillor
tennyson.
L
No
thank
you
chair
and,
and
thank
you
to
the
chief
executive
for
that
intervention.
Look.
I
would
still
be
very
keen
that
this
come
back
to
the
next
government
governance
committee
and
for
discussion
through
committee
before
it
would
go
to
full
council
to
give
members
full
time
to
scrutinize
and
discuss
and
explore
options.
So
I
mean
one
thing
that
I'm
very
conscious
of
chair
is,
I
mean
counselor.
Cosby
has
outlined
the
proposal
very
briefly.
L
I
would
be
keen
to
go
away
and
look
at
what
that
would
mean
for
the
makeup
of
individual
working
groups
and
think
about
that
a
little
bit
more,
I'm
very
keen
that
councillor,
cosby
and
other
independents
in
the
council
are
accommodated
and
included
in
those,
and
but
I
also
want
to
consider
what
impact
that
would
have
in
other
groups
and
parties
as
well,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
everybody
is
fairly
represented
and
I
think
the
best
way
to
progress
such
a
drastic
change
if
we're
going
to
move
in
that
direction,
is
that
we
fully
consider
that
through
the
next
governance
committee
next
month
and
then
bring
it
to
full
council.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
to
to
roger
for
his
for
his
comments
as
an
independent.
I
must
say
that
in
in
my
term
or
terms
as
as
a
counselor,
I
I
have
always
felt
that
democratic
right
for
me
has
been
there
through
the
committee
structure,
whether
that
be
the
committees
or
had
to
hunt
or
indeed
through
the
working
groups.
I
appreciate
where,
in
different
circumstances
now
with
with
councillor
cosby,
and
I
do
believe
yes,
his
voice
needs
to
be
heard
as
well.
P
I
and
I
believe
his
proposal
is
abundantly
clear
which
I'm
not
opposed
to,
but
I
think
to
ensure
that
everything's
done
legally
and
and
and
legally
correct.
I
believe
that
this
debate's
not
going
away.
P
I
believe
it's
something
that
obviously
will
come
back
and
must
come
back,
and
I
would
be
of
the
view
that
I
believe
it
should
maybe
have
discussions
during
this
month
before
the
the
next
committee,
even
the
party
leaders
and
with
councillor
cosby
and
others,
and
and
see
you
know
what
the
way
forward
is,
and
indeed
that
we
are
correcting
we're
we're
on
the
governance
committee
here.
P
So
we
need
to
ensure
that
we're
acting
within
the
proper
governance
of
the
council
and
I
think
one
month
isn't
asking
too
much
where
council
counselor
tenancy
is
coming
from.
So
I
would
be
of
that
view.
I
know
where
councillor
cosby's
coming
from,
but
I
think
we
need
to
ensure
that
we're
keeping
within
the
governance
of
the
council
and
that
everything
is
legal
and
above
board.
B
Members,
I'm
conscious.
I
I
want
to
draw
this
to
a
conclusion
this
evening.
I'm
I
am,
I
am
mindful
of
what
you've
said:
counselor
barry
what
counselor
cosby
said
on
what
the
chief
has
also
said.
So
I'm
in
your
hands
members
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
where
we
take
this
sharon,
do
you
want
to
come
in.
F
F
Officers
would
be
happy
to
go
and
do
whatever
work
is
necessary
around
the
legals
of
this,
and
also
around
the
conversations
that
have
happened
around
the
purpose
of
these
groups
in
the
past
and
what
their
intention
is
and
bring
something
that
has
been
considered
and
and
researched
back
to
members,
so
that
an
informed
decision
can
be
made
in
this
we'd
be
content
to
do
that.
Obviously,
it's
whether
obviously
the
councillor
cosby
councillor
tennyson,
having
raised
this
matter,
that
they
would
be
content
with
that.
B
M
There's
a
desire
to
have
the
discussion,
but
I
think
that,
if
the
way
our
own
governance
structure
works
is
even
if
we
were
to
have
bring
it
to
party
leaders,
that's
only
a
couple
of
nights
before
fall
council.
M
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
hey,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
a
where
roger
and
sharon
are
coming
from
on
a
talking
about
governance
and
processes
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff,
but
it
is
within
the
varies
of
the
committee
and
the
council
body
itself
to
not
have
any
working
groups
at
all.
You
know
to
deal
with
any
of
these
issues
other
than
in
this
form
that
we're
in
right
now.
That
is
entirely
possible
legal
on
the
board,
because
the
matter
is
in
the
committee.
I
It
has
been
considered,
it's
been
taken
to
council
and
probably
considered
further
and
then
the
decision
being
made.
That
is
a
proper
process
for
making
the
decision
in
council.
It
is
committee,
then
full
credential,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
the
legal
opinion
may
need.
Maybe
somebody
can
just
give
me
some
advice
as
to
what
would
be
legally
objectionable
about
taking
this
taking
a
recommendation
on
a
working
group
or
the
makeup.
O
I
From
from
this
forum
to
the
full
council,
so
if
we
make
a
recommendation
segment
to
change
the
makeup
of
council
working
groups,
we're
not
doing
away
with
working
groups,
we're
not
disregarding
them
or
disposing
of
them,
we're
changing
the
the
configuration
of
them.
What
is
not
legally
correct
about
doing
it
in
this
forum
and
then
sending
it
to
full
council
for
ratification,
not
clear
on
that.
Now
again,
I'm
happy
to
go
with
what
the
chief
have
said.
I
The
chief
has
said-
and
I
think
there's
still
some
confusion
around
what
the
chief
has
said
and
then
what
kind
of
tennis
in
the
same,
because
they're,
not
clear,
they're,
both
sound,
very
different
to
me,
I
think
maybe
one
or
two
are
getting
a
bit
confused
as
to
they're
saying
to
see
him,
but
I'm
interested
in
terms
of
the
question
later.
F
Thank
you
chair,
I
suppose
counselor
cosby,
just
in
terms
of
the
legals
clearly,
what
you're
talking
about
is
correct.
A
proposal
can
be
raised
at
a
committee
and
it
can
be
agreed
and
it
can
be
subsequently
agreed
at
council
and
implement
it,
and
that
is
entirely
legal.
It's
just,
I
suppose,
some
of
the
detail
around
the
proposal.
For
example,
the
method
of
proportionality
used.
F
You
know
around
the
haunt
court
of
graves
remainder,
those
types
of
things
and
whether
there's
any
options
there
from
a
legal
perspective
on
whether
one
might
be
better
than
another.
I
don't
know.
F
I
suppose
these
are
some
of
the
questions
that
might
potentially
you
know
if
you
had
a
bit
of
advice,
be
able
to
to
be
able
to
advise
members
on
and
just
and
then
I
suppose,
there's
the
other
side
of
things,
which
is
just
the
the
purpose
of
the
grips
and
what
it
was
that
they
were
set
up
to
do
and
what
they're
intended
to
do.
But
clearly,
I'm
in
the
hands
of
members
around
this
and
whatever
the
committee
decides
and
whatever.
F
B
O
N
Said
I
mean
my
primary
concern
is
just
making
sure
any
decision
members
make
are.
Is
a
legal
and
a
sound
decision?
I
think
the
only
other
thing
to
add
is
you
know.
Counselor
cosby
is
raising
this
because
of
his
change
in
status,
but
it's
just
about
being
clear
that
why
the
shift
in
the
formula
and
the
purpose
behind
that
and
making
sure
that
any
change
on
that
basis
is
legally
sound.
So
that's
where
I
would
be
coming
from
an
ocean
and
I
would
probably
share
a
similar
view.
N
I
think
the
question
is
as
councillor
cosby
said,
it's
around
the
timing
on
it.
There
seems
to
be
a
difference
of
view.
I
was
only
suggesting
the
council
meeting
at
the
end
of
the
month
simply
because
it
fell
into
the
natural
order
and
cycle.
That's
a
matter
for
members
this
evening,
chairman.
B
K
Thank
you,
chair
chair,
I've
listened
carefully
here
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
remissive.
Also.
We
didn't
take
the
advice
of
our
chief
executive
and
I
have
been
happy
to
propose
that
we
follow
his
line
and
the
advice
that
he's
given
here
tonight
and
give
them
time
to
take
it
away
and
bring
it
to
full
council
at
the
end
of
the
month.
We
all
have
a
chance,
an
opportunity
to
debate
in
full
council,
and
I
think
that's
where
this
needs
to
happen,
and
I
agree.
K
I
Savage,
mr
chairman,
just
to
say
I
had
accepted
what
roger
had
said.
Also,
I
was
happy
to
go
with
that
to
you
so
on
that
base,
I'm
happy
with
from
proposal
and
support
council.
B
N
N
Maybe
just
two,
I
suppose
summarize
where
I
think
we're
at
in
terms
of
the
process,
so
you
still
have
two
proposals
on
the
floor
from
council
tennyson
seconded
by
councillor
mackel
and
yes,
I'm
writing
from
the
notes
that
I
have
that's
about
either
a
debated
governance,
working
group
or
governance
committee
next
month.
The
second
proposal,
then,
from
councillor
salvage
second
about
councillor
cosby,
is
that
there's
a
report
brought
to
the
council
meeting.
N
So
the
difference
between
the
two
is
in
the
timing
and
you
would
be
taking
counselor
tennyson's
first,
if
you.
B
First,
yes,
yes,
yeah
yeah,
so
members
I
am
in
your
hands.
Literally,
we
have
councillor
tennyson's
proposal.
Are
we
in
agreement
with
councillor
tennyson's
proposal?
Hello?
No,
no!
Okay!
So
vote
all
right.
P
B
D
B
E
B
A
M
B
I
A
So
excuse
me
chair:
it's
the
corn
on
the
ict.
Yes
con,
yes,
not
actually
a
host
of
the
meeting,
but
maybe
patricia
or
any
of
the
other
hosts
might
be
able
to
unmute.
Q
B
Okay,
members
we're
obviously
having
we're
obviously
having
issues
communicating
with
counselor
wilson,
and
we
can't
we
have
to
call
this.
We
have
to
move
sharon.
What
do
we.
B
We're
just
making
one
final
attempt
members
here.
One
final
attempt:
apologies
and
I
beg
your
indulgence.
E
B
Yeah,
I
I
quite
I
quite
honestly-
don't
think
that
it
will,
but,
but
I
think,
we're
thinking
of
your
process.
We're
thinking
of
things
been
done
appropriately
and
properly
and
in
order-
and
you
know
so
that,
but
I
certainly
take
your
point
country
savage
uncounts
for
tensley.
B
B
Okay
members,
we
seem
to
have
had
a
little
bit
of
a
brick
wall
in
terms
of
communicating
with
counselor
wilson.
I
I
wanted
to
give
every
opportunity
in
terms
of
the
process
and
in
terms
of
the
fairness
and
in
terms
of
the
openness.
So
that
was
why
there
was
the
interlude,
but
I
think
we're
at
the
stage
now
for
we
have
to
move
on.
B
So
that
is
the
vote.
Complete
just
give
me.
I
Mr
sharon,
we
do
have
precedence
for
making
a
telephone
call
to
ensure
that
a
member
present
in
the
meeting
still
has
their
vote
recorded.
That
was
done.
Potentially,
I
believe
country
kevin.
Savage
may
well
have
been
in
the
chair
as
lord
murr
whenever
that
was
done,
and
this
has
been
done
before
and
whatever
way
the
vote
goes.
I
There's
a
member
clearly
participating
in
the
meeting
having
a
technical
difficulty
and
they
should
be
afforded
the
opportunity
to
vote
whether
it
makes
a
difference
or
whether
it
doesn't
because
it
could
very
easily
well
happen
to
me
or
paul
or
remember,
the
alliance
party
of
much
less
significant
numbers,
and
it
would
be
as
unfair
on
them
as
it
would
be
in
the
largest
party,
and
I
am
uncomfortable
with
a
member
prepared
to
participate
in
the
meeting
and
there
being
no
facilitation
here
of
trying
to
get
them
connected
in.
I
So
we
can,
because,
as
far
as
more
the
regulations
say
that
we
must
hear
their
response
right,
we
can
still
hear
that
by
a
phone
call
whilst
they're
on
the
screen
from
their
phone
through
to
your
phone
or
whoever,
and
that
can
be
played
through
a
loudspeaker
to
everybody.
It
was
done
before
it
should
be
done
again,
I'm
very
uncomfortable
that
you
want
to
talk
about
legals,
there's
legals,
one
talk
about
process
procedures,
that's
the
procedure
that
members
participate
in
which-
and
you
know
others
don't
want
them
to
have
their
webcast
yeah.
B
A
B
F
B
E
Yes,
thank
you,
sir.
On
the
journey.
I
think
it
was
last
august
because
counselor
closely
mentioned
there
and
I
couldn't
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
do
know
there
was
a
initial
ap
on
the
menace
record.
During
the
verbal
voting
process,
some
members
were
able
to
verbally
express
their
focus
using
the
same
platform.
This
led
to
a
debate
amongst
members
about
how
to
obtain
members
responses,
and
clarification
was
prevented
by
the
lord
murder
that
standing
artists
in
relation
to
remote
meetings
state
that
verbal
responses
needed
been
voting.
E
B
N
Q
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Members.
We
seem
to
be
having
quite
a
few
technical
issues
contacting
councillor
wilson.
It
doesn't
seem
to
be
possible
on
this
occasion
for
him
to
be
heard
on
any
of
on.
B
So
that
was
why
I,
as
your
chair,
made
absolutely
every
attempt,
unfortunately,
and
and
this
is
not
a
scenario
that
I'm
that
I'm
in
any
way
content
or
happy
with.
Unfortunately,
on
this
occasion
it
has
not
been
possible.
So,
as
chair,
I
declare
the
vote
as
to
closed.
It's
complete
and.
B
B
Okay
and
because
that's
passed,
then
that's
the
decision,
so
we
move
on
then
members.
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence
and
I
hope
that
you,
I
hope
that
you
recognize
and
understand
why
it
was
important
that
that
everyone
was
heard,
I'm
getting
a
hand
counselor
wilson,.
B
No
problem
wilson,
it's
really
really
great
to
hear
from
you
this
evening
and
and
long
may.
You
continue
to
be
in
on
the
meeting
right
so
moving
on,
then
agenda
wave
corresponds
finished.
So
basically,
I
need
now
to
seek
a
chair
or
to
seek
a
proposer
and
a
seconder
to
go
into
committee,
and
I
I
have
to
assure
to
read
out
members
and
online
viewers.
In
accordance
with
section
6
of
the
local
government
act
exempt
information.
We
will
now
be
moving
into
a
confidential
session
of
the
council.
B
A
B
The
stream
has
resumed.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Agenda
item
number
12,
any
other
business.
I
haven't
been
notified
of
any
other
business
as
country
library.
Hopefully,
esther
mentioned
the
ee
de
la
noon
today.
So,
given
that
can
I
thank
you
for
your
participation
this
evening.
Members,
it's
been
quite
a
long
one.
We've
got
through
quite
a
bit
and
kind
of
wish
you
all
the
best
for
whatever
is
left
of
the
evening
good
night.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair.