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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Planning and Regulatory Services Committee on Wednesday the 6th of July 2022 at 3.00pm in the Council Chamber at Craigavon Civic and Conference Centre
B
B
Nope,
okay,
thank
you.
Well
olga
murderer,
strategic
director
and
also
damien
and
mulligan's.
Head
of
plan
are
also
noted,
as
apologies
so
we'll
proceed
in
declarations
of
interest
and
unless
someone
is
dramatic
at
the
start,
we'll
take
them
as
we
go
through
the
meeting
in
the
normal
fashion.
So
we'll
move
to
a
generation
of
three
which
is
a
report
from
the
head
of
planning
and
that's
been
circulated
under
pc
2227
and
it's
one
item
for
decision.
That's
a
consultation
with
the
afi
on
regionally
strategic
planning
applications
on
china.
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
guess
I'm
going
to
declare
an
interest
in
this
one
with
some
relatives
working
in
that
sound
dredging
industry
in
lucknow.
So
I
think
when
I
came
here
a
couple
years
back,
I
declared
that
interest
so
we'll
just
do
so
again
and
I'll
take
part
in
the
discussion
on
this
item.
Business
thanks.
B
D
Thank
you
chair,
as
chair
has
said
that
we've
received
a
consultation
by
the
department
for
infrastructure
on
a
reasonably
significant
planning
application,
and
the
council
has
been
invited
to
comment
as
part
of
the
application
satellite
within
our
jurisdiction.
D
The
application
is
a
pr
the
application
proposed
to
vary
or
non-comply
with
conditions
attached
to
the
previous
plan.
Approval
and
the
conditions
are
conditioned
seven
and
condition.
12.
condition.
Seven
states
that
between
the
1st
of
october
and
the
31st
of
march
barges
shall
not
leave
dark
earlier
than
sunrise
or
return
later
than
sunset,
as
defined
by
the
aeronautical
office
of
city
of
belfast
and
the
condition
number
12
states
it.
D
Only
barges
of
the
dementia
specified
in
table
2.1
of
chapter
2
volume,
2
of
environmental
statement,
as
submitted
under
that
application
shall
be
permitted
to
extract
minerals
from
the
permitted
areas.
Any
bars
to
be
replaced
shall
be
of
no
greater
dimension
than
which
other
places
it
is
recommended.
That
members
agree
the
draft
response
which
states
that
officers
post
respond
confirming
the
council
with
advice
in
the
comments
of
dear
national
environment
division
and
the
insured
environmental
services.
Indeed,
our
own
environmental
health
department.
D
All
who
have
been
consulted
separately
are
material
to
this
proposal
and
should
be
obtained
by
dfa
to
help
inform
the
decision.
The
council
would
have
no
additional
comments
to
make
at
this
time,
so
officers
were
advised
that
members
agree.
The
draft
response
has
outlined
an
appendix
3
of
your
report.
B
E
B
F
Thank
you
chair.
The
purpose
of
this
report
is
to
update
members
on
the
current
workload
in
the
planning
department,
as
set
out
in
the
report
between
the
period
26th
of
may
to
the
27th
of
june.
The
department
issued
110
planning
decisions
within
the
same
period.
90
applications
were
received
which
has
reduced
the
number
of
live
applications
in
the
system
by
20
down
to
1046..
F
One
application
was
called
into
planning
committee
in
this
period,
and
the
report
also
includes
an
update
on
planning
enforcement
cases
for
the
first
quarter
of
the
business
year
and,
as
you
can
see,
that
number
currently
stands
at
491
live
cases,
and
this
is
an
item
for
information.
But
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
I'm
going
to
just
roll
back
a
bit
there.
I
know
counselor
nicholson
said
it
was
for
newton,
but
it
is
down
with
me
as
a
as
a
recommendation
on
the
previous
one
there
that
we
do
agree
the
draft,
so
I'm
gonna
make
it
a
proposal
and
okay
counselor
next
one
yeah,
but
no
that's
ground,
no
problem
and
then
we'll
move
on
then
and
3.2
obviously
is
for
noting.
But
it
will
take
any
comments
on
it
before
then.
We
proceed
to
3.3.
B
D
Thank
you
chair
and
a
meeting
of
the
full
council
on
the
21st
of
june
2022,
an
elected
member,
requested
information
regarding
the
processing
of
a
plan
appeal
relating
to
lands
adjacent
to
gosford
castle.
As
you
may
recall,
a
decision
was
taken
by
the
planner
regularly
service
committee
at
a
meeting
held
on
wednesday,
the
12th
of
january
2022,
to
refuse
plan
permission
for
housing
development
at
gosford
castle.
This
decision
is
being
appealed
to
the
plan,
appeals
commission.
D
The
decision
was
reached
following
a
thorough
examination
of
the
facts
of
the
case
and
the
plan
and
considerations
which
were
material
to
it.
Members
will
recall
the
decision,
was
their
race
was
counted
to
a
recommendation
by
officers.
The
plan
of
mission
should
be
granted.
The
current
decision
is
currently
the
subject
appeal
to
the
planned
appeals
commission.
In
the
context,
the
office
of
recommendations
been
overturned
by
members
elected
member
has
been
asked
clarification
regarding
how
this
appeal
will
be
managed
and
dealt
with
by
officers.
D
In
our
response,
we
would
state
that,
not
without
the
fact
that
members
results
refused
planned
permission
complete
to
the
recommendation
black
planning
officers.
This
was
a
council
decision
and
for
that
reason,
officers
will
comprehensively
and
robustly
defend
the
decision
during
the
appeal
process.
The
fact
that
officers
recognize
recommendation
was
overturned
by
members
will
not
detract
in
any
way
from
the
strength
of
the
crisis.
Defense
in
this
case,
members
are
phased
in
the
current
statement
of
kiev's
paternity.
This
appeal
was
submitted
yesterday
as
required
to
be
submitted
prior
to
the
6th
of
july.
Today,.
B
Okay,
members:
are
we
content
with
that
happy
enough?
That's,
okay
and
we'll
move
on
there.
That's
an
item
for
them.
So
we'll
move
on
to
gen
item
four
and
which
is
a
report
from
the
head
of
building.
True
and
now
I
can
find
tom's
or
is
he
here?
Is
he
no
there?
He
is
there
you
go.
I
couldn't
see
you
on.
G
Thank
you,
sir
and
good
afternoon
members,
this
items
from
information
institute
in
the
workload
of
the
building
tool
department
over
the
last
three
months
since
first
the
perspective
or
this
year
and
appendix
one
members
will
notice
that
we
received
and
dealt
with
950
applications
in
this
quarter,
which
is
very
significantly
up
in
the
same
quarter
of
previous
years,
and
in
the
month
of
june
alone,
we
received
four.
G
G
So
it
seems
quite
possible
that
developers
and
applicants
have
sent
in
this
huge
surge
of
applications
to
beat
this
deadline
so
having
to
avoid
these
new
changes
for
three
years.
G
Not
only
has
a
number
of
applications
significantly
increased,
but
the
size
of
the
application
has
also
increased
and
put
that
into
some
sort
of
context,
and
for
the
month
of
june
alone,
just
in
housing
developments,
we
received
applications
for
over
two
thousand
houses
in
this
area
to
also
put
their
perspective
into
it,
and
normally
we
receive
applications
with
a
notional
construction
investment
value
over
the
region
of
15
to
20
million
pounds
per
month.
G
However,
in
the
month
of
june
and
we're
still
working
on
the
focus
because
we
have
an
assessment,
we
are
well
in
excess
of
80
million
pounds
for
the
month
of
june
and
probably
going
to
be
in
excess
of
100
million
of
investment,
which
is
all
very
good
when
it
comes
to
investment
in
the
area.
I
would
say
wise.
It
is
very
welcome.
It
is
inevitable
that
our
response,
time
for
assessments
and
approvals
etc,
and
our
turnaround
times
will
unfortunately,
and
I'm
sure,
understandably
and
be
significantly
led
for
some
time.
G
Whilst
we
work
through
these,
the
department
also
continues
to
deliver
the
property
function
and
for
the
first
three
months
we
have
processed
almost
1
000
certificates
and
again
99
of
what
we're
doing
is
within
the
10-month
target.
So
say
this
is
for
information
but
happy
to
take
any
questions
that
members
may
have.
B
B
Indication
of
investment
in
the
the
borough
when
we
see
those
types
of
numbers
coming
forward
and,
of
course,
as
we
said
right
from
the
outside
of
this
committee,
we're
in
competition
with
other
councils
for
investment
so
and
it
is
good
to
see-
and
of
course
now,
the
task
as
you've
outlined
is
going
to
be
significant
and
working
through
that
all
so
appreciate
all
the
efforts
around
that
okay
members
are
going
to
move
on.
Then
that's
an
item
for
newton,
so
we'll
move
on
then
at
the
end
of
five.
B
So
it's
a
confidential
report,
so
we
will
need
to
seek
a
proposer
and
saginaw
opposed
because
counselor.
So
I
will
read
the
following
statement:
members
and
online
viewers.
In
accordance
with
schedule,
6
of
the
local
government
act
examined
information.
We
will
now
be
moving
into
a
confidential
session
on
the
council.
This
means
that
we'll
be
turned
off
the
public
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
restarted.
B
B
Confirm
that
it
started
again,
thank
you.
Okay
members
corresponds.
I'm
not
aware
of
any
other
corresponds
anybody
any
other
relevant
business.
None
has
been
notified
to
me.
One
thing
I
would
raise
suppose,
and
it
was
brought
to
my
attention-
was
armed
forces.
There
was
back
in
the
bomb
bridge
planning
chamber
and
I
just
felt
going
back
in
there.
It's.
It
seems
a
much
more
compact
unit
for
for
working
out,
especially
for
this
company.
Has
anybody
any
update
earlier?
B
B
E
Hey
no
chairman,
yeah,
look
you're
gonna
have
that
discussion
the
morning
before
armed
forces,
then
it
was
sort
of
like
I
think
you
you
and
I,
and
nobody
else
is
on
the
committee
from
the
start,
but
kevin
kenny
was
so
there's
a
bit
of.
You
know,
nostalgia
going
into
that
room
and
thought:
do
you
remember
the
planning
committees
in
here?
So
no
look,
it
was
designed
for
that
purpose
and-
and
it
was
heavily
invested
in
the
time
and
on
its
bills.
E
I
would
have
no
issue
going
back
to
charles
said
to
that
day.
So
I
I
would,
I
would
yeah.
I
think
that
it
would
be
worthwhile
for
our
next
planet
to
have
some
sort
of
report
of
what.
What
is
the
plan
because
obviously
well
covert
again
is
on
the
rise.
E
B
Okay,
well,
on
that
basis,
I'll
propose
that
some
type
of
information
or
a
report
is
brought
back
next
month
and
I'm
assuming
counseling
doesn't
need,
second,
that
just
in
terms
of
a
way
forward,
greatly
or
wrongly
negatively
or
positively
on
not
just
do
we
get
a
wee
steer.
I'm
not
wetted
anything
particular
to
be
honest,
just
to
get
away
update
on
councillor
savage.
J
Yes,
thank
you
sure,
just
by
way
of
an
update,
the
bomb
bridge
councillors
had
a
meeting
with
the
states
team
recently
and
released
the
bridgewater
house,
and
the
matter
was
raised
about
the
plan
for
many
returning
to
civic
building
over
in
barbridge.
So
hopefully
I
think
there
might
be
a
report
coming
to
governance
in
the
next
few
months,
hopefully
in
relation
to
that
just
by
having
updates
alright.
B
To
that,
so
thanks
thanks
for
that
update
members
will
start
back
then,
with
a
slight
reprieve.
I
think
that's
early
part
of
the
meeting
so
we'll
see
us
back
at
four
o'clock
for
the
main
applications
portion.
Thank
you.
B
Of
our
plan
regulatory
services
meeting
so
we'll
move
to
agenda
in
six,
and
that
is
for
applications
for
planning
permission
to
be
considered
by
the
committee.
As
for
the
schedule
of
the
planning
applications
circulators,
so
members
of
the
public
are
advised
that
the
planning
and
regulatory
services
committee
is
being
held
in
the
council
chamber
in
cregaven
civic
center
favorite
due
to
covert
restrictions.
The
number
of
persons
who
can
physically
be
facilitated
in
the
chamber
is
severely
limited.
B
As
a
result,
members
of
the
public
are
only
able
to
view
the
meeting
on
youtube
and
even
wishing
the
address,
the
committee
has
been
invited
in
the
first
instance
as
an
attendee
via
zoom
audio
recording
is
being
used
to
assist
and
preparing
the
formal
minutes.
Therefore,
anyone
participating
in
the
meeting
consents
to
have
been
recording
to
be
to
being
recorded
and
being
live
streamed
on
youtube.
B
Also,
during
the
course
of
this
meeting,
questions
may
be
asked
by
council
sphere,
member
members
of
the
planning
and
regulatory
services
committee
of
planning
officers,
applicants
for
planning
permission
objectives
or
those
speaking
on
their
behalf
and
doing
so
counsellors
endeavor
the
authority
and
the
information
which
they
feel
is
necessary
to
enable
them
to
determine
the
application.
However,
members
of
the
public
should
know
that
the
councillors
will
now
reach
a
conclusion
as
to
whether
an
application
should
be
approved
refused
or
deferred
until
the
debate
on
the
application
has
concluded.
B
So
that
being
said,
there
is
an
issue
I
want
to
discuss
around
procedures
and
it
is
a
confidential
or
a
legal
issue,
so
would
like
to
move
into
committee
and
initially
to
do
that
if
I
could
have
a
proposer
in
second
council
library
sagging
about
alderman
twable.
So
if
I
could
confirm
that
the
live
feed
is.
B
Just
prior
to
doing
that,
and
members
of
members
online
viewers,
in
accordance
with
schedule,
six
of
the
local
government
act
exemption
information.
We
will
now
be
moving
into
a
confidential
session
of
the
council.
This
means
that
we
will
be
turning
off
the
public
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
restarted.
B
So
thanks
thanks
for
that
members
through
the
stage
I
know
all
around
bar
and
the
regulatory
portion
signified
that
he
had
raised
this
hand.
I
couldn't
see
it
on
the
screen,
so
if
he
is
present
there
almond
bar,
if
you
wanted,
but
this
is
just
to
test
that
that
I
don't
miss
it
because
I
know
your
screen's
off
at
the
minute,
but
I'll
wait
and
during
the
meeting.
B
If
your
your
feed
comes
on
again
I'll,
probably
get
you
to
test
that,
but
in
the
in
absence
of
that
I
will
move
on
then
to
appendix
one
which
has
been
circulated
and
we
will
ask
rosheen
if
she
will
present
the
report.
Oh
sorry,
counselor
lover,
I
have
a
few
lights
on
here:
counselor
library,
yeah,.
C
Thanks,
charles
just
a
state
of
previous
declaration
of
interest,
which
has
done
the
past
two
times,
has
come
before
committees
that
it
was
contacted
by
a
family
member,
I
believe,
of
the
applicant.
But
at
that
time
I
told
him
that
I
could
not
discuss
the
application.
I
was
a
member
of
the
planning
committee,
and
so
I
feel
that
and
be
able
to
take
part
in
the
application
discussions
on
the
same
initiatives,
but
just
important
to
continue.
You
know
that
thanks.
K
Thanks
german,
it's
just
to
note
that
I
wasn't
present
just
during
the
state
visit,
and
previously
when
I
was
at
clinicia,
will
be
just
withdrawing
myself
at
this
stage.
L
B
Okay,
so
they've
been
they've
been
noted,
and
thanks
for
your
your
cooperation
in
that
and
we'll
now
then
move
to
roshi
and
just
the
state
alderman
twybell
has
also
left
the
building
on
this
one
or
the
chamber.
So
rushing
honda
or
to
you
now
for
your
report.
F
Thank
you,
chair
planning,
application,
lao
2019
632,
and
this
is
seeking
retrospective
permission
for
the
direction
of
a
single
wind
turbine
and
associated
development
on
lands.
320
meters,
northeast
of
30
branch,
road,
dramara,
county
down
members.
Can
I
firstly
address
an
error
in
the
report.
In
the
second
line
of
the
report,
it
states
that
the
planning
and
regulatory
services
committee
held
on
the
2nd
of
june
2021
application
lao
2020
105
5,
was
deferred.
This
should
read
at
a
meeting
of
the
planning
and
regulatory
services
committee
held
on
wednesday,
the
6th
of
june
2022.
F
F
The
site
visit
took
place
on
the
22nd
of
june
2022,
and
the
report
sets
out
the
members
that
were
in
attendance
and
there
were
alderman
wilson,
councillor,
savage
cancer
library
and
councilor
nicholson,
and
the
report
also
set
details.
The
main
queries
were
that
were
addressed
at
the
site.
Visit
officers
are
still
in
the
opinion.
The
proposed
development
is
contrary
to
the
spps
and
policy
re1b
planning
policy
statement.
F
18
in
that
the
proposed
development
would
have
an
unacceptable
adverse
impact
in
the
visual
immunity
and
landscape
character
of
the
area
and,
as
such,
an
unchanged
opinion
to
refuse
is
recommended.
Now,
obviously,
I
know
you've
been
out
to
the
site,
but
we'll
take
you
through
the
slides
again
just
to
recollect.
F
And
we
just
moved
to
the
next
slide
yeah.
This
is
the
location
of
the
site
within
the
general
area.
You
can
see
the
sleeping
bully
road
over
to
the
right
and
the
kids
bridge
road
over
to
the
left
and
that's
our
site
location
plan
submitted
with
the
planning
application
the
site
outlined
in
red
and
again
this
is
the
site
plan
and
you
can
see
the
perhaps
the
black
hatched
box
is
where
the
original
approval
was
granted,
and
these
are
plans
and
elevations
of
the
turbine.
F
This
is
just
an
aerial
photograph
of
the
site
and
you
can
see
the
turbine
in
situ
and
this
is
a
view
of
the
turbine
from
the
rancho
road.
As
you
know,
we
were
actually
reviewed
it
from
this
viewpoint
and
another
view
the
turbine
from
the
grancha
road,
and
this
is
a
view
of
the
turbine
ticket
from
the
slave
nebulae
road
and
again
we
we
traveled
up
and
down
the
slave
level
road,
and
we
looked
at
the
turbine
from
this
viewpoint
and
there's
probably
just
a
couple
more
photographs
from
the
slave
nebulae
road
of
the
turbine.
F
We
had
talked
about
shadow
flicker,
and
I
had
mentioned
that
we
had
videos
submitted
by
an
objector
and
at
the
site
visit
one
of
the
members
had
requested.
They
viewed
the
videos,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
show
you
the
videos
that
were
submitted
and
by
an
objector
in
relation
to
the
shadow
flicker
that
they're
experiencing
in
their
property.
O
B
B
E
Yeah
thanks
charman
and
I
suppose
it's
in
relation
to
the
two
values
of
shadow
flicker
and
obviously
that's
new.
We
did
talk
about
it
on
the
site
visit
and
we
did
also
just
I
suppose,
for
the
purpose.
There
is
mechanisms
russian
that
can
deal
with
that.
E
Isn't
there
and
do
those
mechanisms
currently
exist
on
the
installation
as
it
is,
or
would
they
have
to
be
added
to
it
in
order
to
eliminate,
or
at
least
mitigate
against
that,
because
I
have
to
say
if
that
was
my
living
room,
it
would
drive
you
nuts,
so
just
in
relation
to
that
can
be
a
bit
more
sort
of
can
it
be
dealt
with,
and
how
do
we
go
about
doing
that?
In
relation
to
that,
thank
you.
F
Thank
you
chair.
First
of
all,
I
would
say
ppse
the
guidance
to
pps18
does
allow
for
a
certain
amount
of
shadow
flicker
to
occur.
It
talks
about
30
minutes
per
day
30
hours
per
year.
Now
am
the
objector
that
submitted.
The
videos
has
also
submitted
log
books
to
us,
showing
the
amount
of
shadow
flicker
that
he
is
experiencing,
which
is
above
those
thresholds
at
the
moment.
If
it
was
if
it
was
a
current
30
minutes
a
day,
it
would
be
roughly
for
two
months
would
be
acceptable.
F
30
minutes
a
day,
but
you
know
the
log
boots
would
demonstrate
that
it
would
suggest
it's
occurring.
You
know,
june
july
august
september
and
for
at
times
45
minutes
at
a
time.
But,
however,
you
know
the
agent
in
the
application
has
advised
that
a
bsds
system
can
be
used
to
mitigate
against
shadow
flicker,
and
this
has
been
confirmed
by
r
and
writing
by
a
specialist
in
the
wind
energy
sector
sector,
and
this
approach
is
supported
by
guidance
set
out
from
the
best
practice
scans
to
bps18.
F
It's
software,
that's
added
to
the
turbine
that
will
detect
when
shadow
flicker
is
going
to
occur
and
it
can
shut
the
turbine
down.
Now,
it's
not
on
the
turbine
at
the
moment.
It's
something
that
if
members
were
made
to
return
this,
that
it
would
have
to
be
dealt
with
by
way
of
condition,
we
would
have
to
add
a
condition
to
ensure
the
software
is
installed
within
three
months.
F
We
would
also
have
to
add
a
condition
that
you
know
sometimes
like
we
would
add,
with
noise
conditions
that
weren't
complained
to
be
received,
they
would
have
to
investigate
that
complaint
to
check.
Was
it
actually
working
and
address
that
at
a
later
stage
and
like
that's
something
we
would
have
to?
You
know
work
up
in
conjunction
probably
with
our
enforcement
team
in
terms
of
conditions
where
members
need
to
overturn
it,
but
like
on
the
basis
that
there
is
software
that
can
deal
with
we're,
not
recommending
this
for
refusal
on
the
basis
of
shadow
flicker.
B
On
this
one,
you
know,
I
would
sure,
from
my
own
perspective,
that
the
video
is
you
know
enlightening
in
that
regard.
For
it's,
I
guess
the
first
time
I've
seen
a
video
at
the
committee,
but
it
is
a
useful
video
in
terms
of
evidence
and
just
the
impact
flicker
can
have.
It
would
be
concerning
just
looking
at
that
and
from
that
perspective
absolutely
and
your
update
on
possibilities
around
that
is
useful
to
hear
russian
any
other
commentary
numbers
on
this.
We're
in
the
discussion
phase.
B
Sorry
yeah
we're
in
the
questions
and
queries
to
our
our
planning
officer,
but
if
that's
concluded
we
can
move
then
and
a
waiter
to
be
a
discussion
on
it.
If
we're
all
done
on
that,
so
we
will
then
move
into
that
phase.
Counselor
robert
and
I'll
take
care.
Your
point
now.
C
Thank
you
chair.
Well,
this
is
third
time
that's
come.
This
application
has
come
to
committee,
and
certainly
I've
found
it
to
be
very
informative
discussions
taking
place,
I
suppose
at
each
meeting
and
those
additional
documents
were
provided
on
the
site
visit
and
it
certainly
is
a
complex
application.
I
think
we'll
all
agree
on
that
and
with
the
two
points
coming
down
to
shadow
flicker
and
then
maybe
the
impact
on
your
immunity
in
terms
of
landscape
character
supposed
to
take
the
shadow
flicker.
C
First
again,
I
did
find
those
videos
to
be
very
useful,
as
it
sort
of
does
set
the
scene
in
terms
of
what
maybe
some
local
residents
do
you
have
to
deal
with.
So
it
certainly
was
was
worth
being
a
matter
of
discussion
today,
and
it
would
be
of
the
view
that,
certainly,
if
we
were
to
propose
a
recommendation
to
you
know,
approve
the
second
application,
but
that
additional
software
technology
should
be
improved
as
a
condition
for
that,
because
it
certainly
would
be
needed
to
minimize
the
impact
of
this
shadow
flicker.
C
But
as
noted
that
that
sort
isn't
an
issue
in
terms
of
why
officers
maybe
come
to
the
final
recommendation
to
refuse
this
application.
When
I
know
privacy
officers
maybe
consider
an
approval
recommendation,
so
that
comes
down
as
opposed
to
the
impact
on
immunity
and
landscape
character,
and
while
you
define
it
to
be
unacceptable
or
acceptable
or-
or
things
like
that,
and
I
think
it's
one
of
these
ones
where
it's
in
that
kind
of
uncertain
area,
as
maybe
all
the
members
will
agree.
C
Would
it
be
a
level
of
where
I
would
say
significantly
and
devas
have
the
supposed
devastating
impact
if
you
were
sort
of
going
along
and
looking
at
it,
I'm
not
quite
sure
it
would
char
to
be
honest,
which
is
why
I'm
sort
of
into
mindsets
on
this
one?
C
I
did
find
the
site
visit
to
be
informative,
given
that
there
was
actually
other
turbines
in
the
area
and
they
want
to
cross
the
road
from
this
one,
which
would
arguably
have
maybe
a
similar
level
of
impact
as
this
one.
But
obviously
you
know
it
was
approved,
and
that
was
I
was
done
number
of
years
ago,
and
indeed
there
was.
You
recall,
the
two
other
ones
that
were
actually
within
the
area
of
natural
beauty
of
the
of
slave
troop
and
there
and
they
were
approved
as
well.
C
Maybe
it
was
a
number
of
years
ago,
maybe
under
10
years,
so
it's
this
one
wireless
sort
of
tips
to
scale
so
to
speak,
and
I'm
very
conscious
that,
as
we
become,
I
suppose,
more
green
as
a
country
in
terms
of
our
renewable
energy
resource
where
we
may
be
having
to
deal
with
lots.
More
of
these
turbine
applications,
so
we'll
maybe
have
to
be
very
considerate
of
where
we
draw
the
line
in
terms
of
acceptability
and
unacceptability.
C
But
given
the
situation
and
taken
into
all
the
circumstances
of
this,
and
now
it's
not
in
the
not
within
the
neuria
natural
beauty
itself
is
near
what
near
one
and
it's
not
within
or
does
not
have
any
sort
of
heritage
within
its
immediate
vicinity.
I
mean
maybe
inclined
to
saying
that
it
does
not
have
an
unacceptable
impact
on
the
character
or
it
does
have
a
moderate
amount,
but
it'll
be
interesting
to
hear
what
sort
of
other
members
views
on
the
door
as
it
would
be,
maybe
leaning
to
a
potential
approval.
C
B
E
E
E
The
these
things
are
always
difficult,
there's
no
doubt
about
it
as
as
applications
and
obviously
the
reason
for
refusal
in
in
front
of
us
I.e,
the
you
know:
adverse
impact
on
the
visual
media
landscape
character,
the
area,
if
there's
no
other
turbines
in
that
context,
I
would
say
I'd
agree
with
that.
E
You
know
because,
but
it's
because
when
you
were
there,
you
could
see
so
to
me
what
I
what
I
felt
when
I
was
there,
the
landscape
of
the
area
was
turbines
there
was
there
was
there
was
turbines
in
the
landscape,
and
this
was
just
another
one.
Obviously,
the
sun
flicker
is
a
concern
and
if
we
do
choose
to
go
and
and
overturn
this
recommendation,
that
would
that
would
have
to
be
a
condition.
E
I
suppose,
given
that
the
context
of
where
we
are
with
climate
change
and
and
and
on
the
environmental
aspect
of
this,
and
obviously
the
government
directive.
Now
that
we
have
80
percent
renewable
energy
by
2030,
as
as
council
lobby
has
said,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
of
these.
Now
again,
you
know:
that's
something
we're
about
to
deal
with.
You
know
through
this
committee,
be
their
farms,
be
there
whatever
and
a
a.
E
As
I
say
it's
it's
that's
kind
of
I've
been
of
a
similar
sort
of,
as
you
say
with
with
with
country
lowry,
on
on
this
one
I
I
kind
of
get
to
use
it.
E
I
think
the
horses
bolted
here
there's
that
many
turbines
in
the
context
that
one
more
really
doesn't
make
a
detrimental
change
to
the
character
of
the
area
and
and
but
again,
as
I
say
it
it
and
the
fact
it
had
a
previous
approval
and
etc,
etc
and,
as
I
say,
the
social,
economic
and
environmental
aspect
of
things,
I
I
I
do
think
you
know.
E
If
there's
no
doubt
about
these
things
have
impact,
you
can
see
them,
you,
you
can
see
them
and
they
don't
even
think
she's
gonna,
be
invisible
or
is
is
is
is
killing
themselves
so
really,
but
you
know
I
actually
think
these
windmills
are
now
part
of
the
landscape,
character.
Sorry,
and
and
that's
the
way
I
felt
when
I
was
driving
up,
it
was
like
you
were
just
spotting
them.
E
You
know
left
right
whatever
you
know,
and
it
was
interesting
because
I've
never
been
that
part
of
the
borough
before
and-
and
I
didn't
I
didn't
realize
there
were
so
many
in
in
that
locality.
But
again
as
I
say
it
doesn't
make
the
the
planner's
recommendation
wrong.
It
just
makes.
E
I
have
a
different
opinion
on
us
in
relation
to
the
weight
another
you
know,
and
but
that's
where
I
am
chairman,
I'm
not
sure
who
you
are,
but
other
members
are,
but
that
that
sort
of
continues
the
discussion
obviously
launched
by
by
council
harvard
thank
you.
J
Thank
you
chair,
like
I
do
agree
that
this
was
a
complex
one.
I'm
agreeing
with
councillor
nicholson
and
larry
that
we
should
have
went
out
and
said
visit
the
pictures
that
were
seen
on
the
first
reports.
Weren't
didn't
do
it
justice
that
the
ladder
say
the
the
impact
on
the
area.
There
is
quite
a
lot
of
wind
turbines
in
that
area,
but
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
this.
J
We
are
looking
at
this
particular
one
and
not
any
others,
and
this
is
going
to
be
in
the
the
beholder
or
the
personal
opinion
of
who
is
out
there,
and
I
probably
have
a
different
opinion
than
the
two
members
of
the
spoke
so
far
and
as
councilor
nicholson
says,
this
doesn't
make
the
planning
planners
opinion
wrong.
It's
just
others
might
disagree
with
it.
In
this
case.
I
happen
to
agree
with
it,
so
I
I
think,
there's
a
visual,
unacceptable
adverse
impact
on
the
visual
amenity
of
the
area.
J
There
might
be
other
ones
in
there
already,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we'll
have
to
just
go
on
and
play
on
and
put
as
many
as
we
can.
We
do
have
an
energy
crisis
coming
up,
but
I
think
at
the
same
time
we
need
to
preserve
areas
of
of
you
know.
I
know
we're
not
in
an
area
if
it's
standard
beauty,
but
it
is
close
bad,
and
I
think
that
in
this
case,
in
my
opinion
anyway
up
there,
russian
has
got
the
the
right
opinion
with
this
report.
Thank
you,
chair.
I
B
Useful,
absolutely
and
suppose,
from
my
perspective,
we
are,
you
know,
we're
there's
four
of
us
making
this
decision
there's
a
whole
lot
more
of
us
on
on
committee,
and
we,
but
we
are
down
to
to
the
four
of
us
and
we're
all
from
from
different
political
backgrounds
as
well.
So
suppose,
that's
a
good
cross-section
of
the
council
in
terms
of
how
a
decision
is
going
to
be
taken
within
this
committee
on
this
particular
application.
B
My
thoughts
are
not
having
also
been
on
the
site
visit,
and
now
you
see
in
the
videos
I
would
say,
the
impact
is
probably
greater
from
the
flickr
aspect
rather
than
any
visual
impact
out
in
the
wider
country
say
you
know
specifically,
because
there's
a
supposed
proliferation
is
the
wrong
word,
but
there
is
a
far
a
fair
number
of
of
turbines
within
the
the
view
of
the
naked
eye
within
a
relatively
short
radius
on.
Do
you
take
comfort
from
the
fact
that
there
is
software
options
available
to
limit
the
flicker?
B
Because
do
you
think
that
is
an
unacceptable?
You
know
impact
from
this
turbine
so
for
that
period
of
time
that
the
the
sun
would
be
in
the
arc
of
those
rotors,
then
there
should
be.
You
know,
actions
taken
in
any
decision.
B
You
know
if
we
did
before
we're
minded
to
to
move
away
from
the
office
recommendation
that
that
would
be
well
tightened
down
in
terms
of
the
impact
of
shadow
flicker
and
minimizing
that,
to
the
greatest
degree
possible
within
the
scope
of
our
part
as
a
council-
and
you
know
when
I
did
go
on
the
side
visit
us,
you
know
I
drove
up
and
seen
the
one
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
road,
and
you
know
you're
driving
a
lot
closer
to
that
than
you
are
to
the
one
in
question.
B
So
it
was
something
I
struggled
with
and
visually.
Just
in
terms
of
you
know
the
number
of
of
turbines
on
the
you
know
what
were
what
our
problems
are
with
this
particular
turbine
in
question.
It
was
hard
just
to
rationalize
all
that
with
any
degree
of
certainty
from
my
part.
In
terms
of
you
know
the
way
we
give
to
that.
B
So
members,
if
we
have
a
course
of
action,
we
want
to
take
on
this.
One
now
he's
attained.
E
Yeah
chairman,
as
has
been
said,
this
has
been
the
committee
three
times
and
we
have
given
it
a
real
hard
consideration
and,
given
the
discussion
we've
had
this
this
afternoon
and
and
the
fact
the
site
is
not
in
an
aob,
it's
no
historic
or
heritage
context
within
the
site
and
a
the
the
the
the
discussion
we
had
in
relation
to
visual
immunity
and
landscape
character,
the
area
and
obviously
the
socio-economic
and
environmental
aspect
of
the
application
and
and
obviously
the
direction
that
that
we're
going
in
relation
to
renewable
energy.
E
I
I
I
propose
we,
we
overturn
this,
this
recommendation
on
a
previous
application,
but
obviously
add
on
the
condition
chairman
that
there
has
to
be
the
the
software
which
is
available
to
reduce
the
sun
flicker
in
in
in
the
context
of
what
was
demonstrated
to
us
tonight
or
this
afternoon.
E
So
that
would
be
my
recommendation
trauma.
So
thank
you.
C
Thank
you.
I
suppose
I
would
be
voluntary.
Second,
the
proposal
put
forward
by
councillor
nicholson.
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is
this
something
up
because
would
be
maybe
overturning
the
recommendation
does
any
other.
C
You
know
proposing
they'd
come
back
to
this
committee
with
additional
consent
conditions
such
as
the
one
mentioned
by
country
nicholas
and
about
shadow
flicker,
because
that
would
certainly
be
key
if
we
were
to
approve
this
recommendation
that
that
would
be
in,
but
would
any
other
additional
sort
of
terms
of
use
need
to
come
back.
If
say,
for
example,
that
this
proposal
does
come
back,
but
new
officers
can
consider
and
then
come
back
with
it.
Maybe
what
those
additional
conditions
would
be
just
so
everything
considered.
C
But
again
I
would
be
content
sort
of
second
that
approach
by
councillor
nicholson,
but
we
may
be
sick
to
approve
this
application,
given
the
contacts
set
up
a
council
nixon,
but
also
taken
into
potentially
any
other
considerations
which
would
need
to
be
placed
on
the
terms
of
operation
of
the
turbine
if
we
were
to
sort
of
approve,
but
just
maybe
some
clarity
on
that.
B
B
I
can't
it's
hard
to
remember
the
last
time
without
it
on
this
sort
of
a
application,
but
from
memory
I
think
we
do
bring
back
revised
terms
and
conditions
are
not
attached
to
the
application,
but
I'll
ask
roshin
to
verify
that.
F
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
members
you're,
quite
right.
If,
if
the
recommendation
were
overturned,
we'd
obviously
have
to
take
it
back
next
month
with
a
full
list
of
planning
conditions
that
we're
proposing,
obviously,
there's
consultation
that
have
no
objection
subject
to
conditions.
So
there
would
be
other
conditions
that
would
need
to
be
up
as
well
and
they
would
have
to
come
back
to
committee
for
your
agreement.
J
I
Well
suppose,.
B
From
my
perspective-
and
I
did
this
in
the
earlier
discussion-
sort
of
the
direction-
I'm
you
know
minded
that
yeah
unless
and
it
is
the
support.
Counselor
nicholson,
counselor
libraries
position
on
that,
and
I
would
also
support
the
overturning
of
the
the
obligation,
but
I
would
be
keen
as
counselor
after
he
has
said
in
counseling.
The
software
issue
would
be
a
complete
absolute
for
me
that
you
know
there
can't
be
any
strain
away
from
that.
That
would
be
the
basis
of
of
my
support
for
the
application
being
turned
around
that.
B
That
is
why
it's,
I
know,
there's
regulations
in
terms
of
acceptable
levels,
but
I
would
be
asking
that
we
do
the
the
best
we
can
in
terms
of
conditioning
and
addicted
to
the
greatest
degree
possible
during
and
eliminate
what
we've
seen
and
the
video
and
again
just
to.
That
is
a
useful
thing.
B
I
don't
think
we've
seen
videos
before,
but
it
goes
to
show
from
the
public's
aspect
when
you're
putting
forward
your
case,
the
more
information
you
can
put
forward
the
better
in
those
circumstances
in
terms
of
what
we
are
allowed
in
or
the
views
we
get
of
all
aspects
and
perceptives
our
perceptions
and
you
know
experiences
of
applications.
But
it's
just
been
very
useful.
B
So
on
that
basis
and
counselor
savage
has
made
a
proposal,
but
that
hasn't
been
sagging
on
israel.
He's
recognized
that
so
we
will
move
across
and
record
that
decision,
then
as
an
overturned,
and
there
will
be
more
information,
then
come
back
to
our
next
week,
a
long
term
along
the
terms
of
the
conditions
of
that.
So
we
will
move
then
to
append
x2
and
we'll
give
other
counsellors
now
a
chance
to
come
back
in
to
the
room
before
we
move
to
chennai
and
present.
So
give
it
a
couple
of
minutes
just.
I
B
B
I
just
denote
element
bar
also.
I
know
you
can
go
off
screen
or
whatever,
but
a
number
of
councils
you
haven't
been
at
site
visits,
I've
been
leaving
the
room
and
that
I
don't
know
how
you
know
it
is
up
to
yourself,
but
it's
just
and
just
to
make
sure
you
heard
that
advice
earlier
as
part
of
the
confidential.
B
I
just
want
to
be
doubly
sure
everybody's
getting
the
feeds
through
okay,
I
think
that's
everyone
in
the
room
that
that
should
be
in
so
we'll
move
then
to
appendix
2
and
chania
is
going
to
present
publication
earlier
we
have
20
21,
oh,
we
have
16
f
thanks.
D
Following
on
from
the
site
visit,
the
applicant,
an
agent
have
sent
in
various
appeals
and
further
information's
regards
to
the
policy
cty2a
on
this
site.
To
summarize,
the
recession
of
officers
and
officers
still
have
the
opinion
that
none
of
the
pages
were
sent
to
confirm
that
a
staggered
crossroads
is
across
roads
for
the
purposes
of
the
policy.
D
As
regards
the
information
submitted
in
relation
to
being
a
former
crossroads
or
known
locally,
as
a
crossroads,
authors
would
advise
that
crossroads
has
been
looked
at
in
its
present
form
and
configuration.
The
policy
does
not
state
former
crossroads
across
roads
is
one
where
one
road
crosses
another.
In
this
case,
officers
remain
of
the
opinion.
The
old
road
is
not
a
road
within
the
meaning
of
the
roads
order,
there's
a
private
way.
It's
not
maintained
as
road
by
dfi
roads,
and
for
this
rosen
we
will.
We
conclude
that
it's
not
a
crossroads.
D
In
this
instance,
while
officers
accept
there's
no
crossroads,
they
would
also
further
state
that
the
assessment
cluster
must
be
taken
in
conjunction
with
the
said
crossroads,
and
to
this
end,
officers
would
have
faced
while
there
are
a
number
of
dwellings
and
other
buildings
in
the
city
of
the
state.
These
buildings
do
not
read
as
a
visual
entity
in
the
landscape
officers
would
contend,
therefore,
that
on
the
ground,
these
buildings
read
as
a
loose
collection
of
individual
buildings,
rather
than
a
particular
discrete
unit
at
a
crossroads.
D
So
therefore,
there
is
no
cluster.
Furthermore,
another
development
would
lead
to
a
build-up
of
development,
contrary
to
policy
cty-4.
On
this
basis,
officers
would
mean,
if
the
opinion
that
the
proposal
should
be
refused
for
the
reason
stated
in
the
original
plan
report
and
just
to
refresh
ourselves.
I
know
we've
all
been
to
the
site,
but
just
to
take
it
to
the
presentation.
Again,
it's
been
up
updated
to
include
the
the
planned
appeals
that
have
been
cited.
D
It's
asking
the
location
of
the
site
within
the
general
area
and
then
thank
you
all
for
making
the
journey
over
and
that's
the
aerial
view
of
the
post
sites.
You
can
see
there,
the
we
viewed
the
site.
We
looked
at
that,
particularly
in
a
way
we
looked
at
the
context
of
the
surrounding
buildings,
so
we
should
all
be
very
familiar
with
the
site
now,
and
that
is
the
site
location
plan,
as
presented
in
the
planning
pack
and
next
place.
D
That's
a
posted
layout
and
as
a
grade
that
the
design
of
the
building
causes
no
concern.
D
So
there's
a
photo
where
stan
at
grammar
road,
as
you
can
see
further
down
there.
That's
the
other
road
and
up
to
that
em
is
the
delaying
way
and
supposed
to
set
out
in
the
safe
visit
reports
and
just
to
remind
us,
we
would
be
off
the
dependent
that
there
there's
no
sense
of
arriving
at
the
cluster.
When
you
go
out
there,
you
don't
get
that
and
the
officer's
opinion.
You
don't
get
that
sense.
There's
a
cluster
here
around
that
alleged
crossroads
and
due
to
the
fact
there's
no
building
on
the
opposite
side.
D
It's
well
screened.
We
have
the
opinion
that
there's
no
sense
of
arrival.
So
that's
how
the
previous
plan
appeals
commission
as
related
to
the
in
the
previous
report.
You
don't
get
that
sense
of
array
for
that
you're
right,
not
a
cluster
here!
Yeah
next
slide.
Please
it's
not
there's
a
state
in
the
context
of
one
one:
six
on
roads,
that's
just
looking
up!
Creon
moore
wrote
an
officer
there.
D
Hence,
that's
why
we
disregarded
the
buildings
now
side
of
the
road,
because
you
don't
have
to
look
at
if
you
are
looking
at
a
crossroads
where
that
is
and
those
roads,
those
particular
buildings
cannot
be
viewed.
In
that
context,
there
are
loose
grouping
of
building
relatives
great
density
in
the
landscape
next
slide,
please
so
there's
a
site
just
at
the
end
of
the
laneway.
We
walked
down
that.
As
you
know,
we
looked
around
this
and
then
we
walked
up
the
groundwater
road
again.
D
That's
just
again:
it's
just
one
98
grammar
road
we've
disregarded
the
one
further
down.
You
will
note
there
is
an
extent
plan
approval
on
the
site
adjacent
to
that,
but,
as
that
hasn't
been
obviously
completed,
it
cannot
be
considered
for
the
purposes
of
this
cty
two-year
policy,
and
that's
just
a
few
from
within
the
sects.
D
That's
the
pale
decision,
the
full.
The
the
full
report
is
in
your
plan
unpack
and
basically
pointed
out
that
you
know
the
policy.
It's
not
a
stagger
crossroads.
It
has
to
be
a
crossroads.
D
And
fiasco,
and
just
to
give
you
the
context,
appeals.
I
know
that
the
text
is
in
your
report,
but
just
give
you
a
context
of
where
it
is
basically
they've
looked
at
it
in
relation
to
a
cty,
a
2a,
and
you
have
to
have
some
sensor
arrival.
So
a
lot
of
these
there
are
a
lot
of
buildings
around,
but
because
of
a
loose
visual
empathy.
D
Now
the
discretes
have
been
disregarded
for
for
us
cluster
it
by
the
plan,
appeals
commission
and
that
there's
the
the
dollar
cigarettes
quite
built
down,
but
because
that
particular
site
didn't
raid
with
the
other
buildings
in
the
facility
of
it
was
discounted
as
a
cluster
as
well,
and
that's
further
appeals
by
that's
spread
by
the
jecter
and
now,
as
we
said,
they're
not
directly
relevant
and
those
ones
have
no
buildings
in
there.
D
But
they
do
tease
out
some
of
the
context
that
there
is
a
consistent
approach
by
the
psc's
regard
to
what
they
look
at
is
cluster
and
the
stagger
crossroads
isn't
considered,
and
that's
just
the
map
from
the
previous
application
that
was
approved
by
members
of
planning
committee
and
commentary
roads
and,
as
I
said,
the
previous
meeting
and
I
suppose
it's
drawn
out
in
the
text.
There
was
quite
unique,
different
difference
of
opinion
here.
There
was
development
in
all
sides
of
this
members
felt
when
they
go
out
there.
D
There
was
a
a
lot
of
development.
They
were
all
rare
in
the
context
of
each
other.
Unlike
this
one
and
the
site
itself
is
located
at
the
layers
crossroads
of
this
like
this
at
this
on
this
side,
and
so
therefore,
we
will
be
of
the
opinion
that
there
are
differences
in
this
and
that
and
that
particular
decision
shouldn't
have
any
significant
weight
in
the
consideration
of
this
plan
application.
B
Thing
I
didn't
notice
one
was
I
the
the
lien
way
or
the
roadway
in
question.
It
seemed
to
have
been
surface
stress.
It
was
the
you
know,
the
immediate
sort
of
view
I
took
out
of,
and
is
there
any
way
of
checking
our
heads
up
and
checked
if
you
know
who
carried
out
that
surface
dressing
and
and
who
would
have
been
responsible
for
it?
Is
there
any
information
in
regards
to
that.
D
I
asked
the
question
of
our
dfi
roads
official
was
it
been
maintained
by
routes
and
they
have
come
back
and
said?
No.
That
road
has
not
been
taken
by
dfi
road,
so
it
probably
was
done
collectively
by
the
the
feds.
I
don't
know,
but
it's
not
a
maintained
road
by
the
efi
roads,
and
so
I'm
unsure
who
actually
carried
out
that
particular
kind
of
work.
J
On,
like
the
previous
one,
that
was
important,
that
we
did,
that
they
could
get
our
own
heads
around.
What
was
the
been
asked
of
us
see
it
in
terms
of
that.
Meanwhile,
it
has
the
physical
characteristics
of
a
crossroads,
but
legally
that's
what
I
bring
for
this
report
legally,
it's
not
because
that
is
not
a
maintained
road
on
the
residence
hall.
Not
would
they
be
within
their
rates
as
they
wanted
to
stick
a
gear
up
and
stop
anybody.
I
know
that
there's
a
private
layer,
but
they
they
control
access
to
it.
D
All
case,
thank
you
chair.
I
I
don't
know
the
legal
status
regardless
that
there
is
that
there's
right
away
over
that.
But
you
know
there
are
legal
other
legal
validities
around
in
particular
right
away
as
in
roads,
but
we
do
know
that
for
the
purposes
of
the
roads
order,
it's
not
a
road
because
it's
not
contained
or
owned
by
dfi
roads.
So
that's
with
how
far
we
would
go
with
regards
to
consideration
the
policy
in
regards
to
gateway,
so
the
gallery
around
that,
could
someone
put
it
up
to
be
honest,
a
cancer?
N
Thank
you
chair,
and
do
you
invest
his
problem
if
this
was
approved
approved
as
a
crossroads?
Do
you
envision
problems
going
forward
in
future
planning
applications?
Thank
you.
D
Just
me,
we
always
face
that
each
other
occasionally
has
been
treated
on
its
own
words.
You
know,
and
we
wrote
that,
but
if
there
are
similarities
that
you
know
this,
you
have
to
have.
You
know
specific
reasons
why
this
was
accepted
as
a
crossroads
or
as
a
road
when
you
know
other
ones
that
we've
looked
at,
we
haven't
considered
as
a
roads
and
precedent,
there's
something
you
do
look
at
and
if
it
is
accepted
on
this
occasion
that
this
was
a
road
there
could
be
a
president
set.
D
Certainly
in
the
context
of
this
particular
area
that
others
could,
you
know,
could
follow
suit.
But
we
always
caveat
that
that
you
know
if
this
allocation
has
been
electrons
individual
merits
and
then
on
specifics
of
that
particular
case.
So
this
went
up.
The
president's
the
president
may
have
set
in
the
context
of
this
this
area
and
others
in
guard
across
the
borough.
D
But
as
I
say,
we
know
we
have
to
look
at
and
if
there's
any
sort
of
differences,
so
I
couldn't
say,
there's
definitely
going
to
be
a
precedent
set,
but
it
particularly
if
there's
another
application
that
came
in
following
this
around
that
would
have
to
look
at
it.
You
know,
in
the
context
of
the
decision
made
today.
B
Our
planner
and
in
terms
of
the
I
felt
you
know
the
site
has
had
a
fairly
you
know.
High
degree
of
enclosure,
I
suppose,
is
that
tying
in
with
the
the
aspect
of
the
the
actual
site.
As
I
say,
if
you've
had
the
feeling
that
all
the
other
bits
of
the
jigsaw
were
coming
into
play
in
terms
of
a
cluster
is
integration.
B
You
know
what
wheel
has
put
on
integration
or
you
know
because
something
I
struggle
in
terms
of
clusters.
You
have
to
have
the
feeling
that
you're
arriving
as
the
as
as
husbands
stated,
but
if
something's
has
a
suitably
high
degree
of
enclosure
you're
not
really
achieving
that,
because
it's
screened,
so
it's
sort
of
rob
and
peter
to
pay
paul.
I
feel
like
you're
having
a
benefit
in
terms
of
a
site
being
suitably
screened,
but
then
a
negative
in
terms
of
it
maybe
blocking
a
person's
view.
B
You
know
to
give
the
sense
of
a
cluster
and
blocking
the
visibility.
That's
what
I
felt
when
I
went
out
and
said
you
know
what
it
had
such
a
high
degree
of
enclosure.
That
was
blocking
a
view.
You
know
along
the
route
of
the
other
properties
further
down
in
that
you
know,
are
sort
of
being
relied
on
for
this
cluster,
but
you
know
if
that
being
the
case
you
know,
is
it
you
know.
B
Is
this
something
where
if
there
wasn't
as
high
a
degree
of
enclosure,
it
would
read,
you
know
to
the
naked
eye
it
would.
It
would
look
more
like
a
cluster.
Is
that
is
that
the
the
the
idea
around
it,
because
there's
something
struggling
with
plus
the
fact
that
I
know
it
hasn't
been
completely
confirmed
in
terms
of
the
surface
stress-
and
you
know
it's,
but
you
know
I'll,
take
I'll.
D
Yeah
for
the
purpose
of
cty-2a,
it
says,
provides
a
suitable
degree
of
enclosure
and
so
that
the
site
is
screened.
You
will
note
we
have
an
added
on
integration
with
the
cty-13
as
a
reason
for
refusal,
so
we
think
the
site
in
itself
is
well
integrated.
Now
the
site
could
be
looked
at
in
the
context
of
other
buildings
which
are
maybe
not
well
enclosed
or
discrete
physical
entities
so
therefore
allows
it
to
be
a
cluster
but
still
be
well
enclosed,
but
suppose,
if
they'd
rather
well
screen
around
other
properties,
the
distance
etc.
D
It
could
then
remove
that
you
know
that
there
is
a
cluster,
so
it
may
be
in
one
way,
encourages
people
to
keep
their
their
boundaries
well,
at
the
end,
if
they
don't
want
any
others,
but
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
wanted.
Criteria
must
meet
and
we
are
not
saying
that
it
fails
against
integrations.
D
I
B
Thank
you.
I've
just
noticed
the
screen
here
for
anyone's
on
again.
That's
okay,
just
didn't
want
to
lose
anybody
there.
No
any
other
questions
for
our
planning
officer.
If
not,
then
we'll
move
to
the
bip
phase.
If
anybody
has
any
use.
K
Thank
you
chair,
I
think
we've
given
us
a
good
go
and
in
both
committees
I
am
on
out
on
sight
meeting
and
I
was
pretty
keen
to
go
to
to
move
to
a
site
meeting,
because
they'd
asked
the
question
of
the
first
committee
about
why
other
buildings
weren't
taken
into
consideration.
K
You
know
on
that.
It
is
a
visual
assessment
and
you
know
in
my
own
point
of
view
there.
I
feel
that
there
certainly
is
four
or
more
buildings,
but
you
know,
as
part
of
the
cty
to
yeah.
All
of
the
criteria
has
to
be
met
to
be
able
to
grant
permission.
So
at
this
stage
I
would
be
leaning
with
the
officer's
recommendation
of
refusal.
This
stage.
J
Thank
you,
sir.
You
know
would
that
have
a
good
debate
to
the
last
time.
I
was
good
to
get
on
set,
as
you
said
previously
wait.
It
has
the
physical
characteristics
of
a
crossroads
legally,
as
sinead
has
outlined
it,
it
isn't
a
crossroads
and
there
is
a
staggered
crossroads
at
the
location,
and
I
think
this
is
the
crops
of
the
modern
terms
of
the
decision
we
make
and
this
the
appeal
that
cheney
provided
is
quite
clear.
L
So
I'm
inclined
to
decide
on
that
conclusion
that
it
isn't
a
crossroads
but
a
staggered
crossroads.
So
that
is
a
key
factor
in
this.
As
far.
O
L
I'm
concerned,
in
terms
of
the
cluster
too,
I
did
say
to
cheney
how
wide
how
big
is
the
cluster
and
she
agreed
with
me
that
that
is
some
somewhat
nebulous
and
not
clear.
Just
exactly
what
cross
sorry
cluster
is.
So
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
the
issue
that
we
are
making
a
decision
on,
but
certainly
I
would
lean
with
my
colleagues
to
say
that
this.
M
B
Okay
thanks
solomon
foreign
perspective,
again,
I
I
did
find
it
useful,
and
maybe
I
did
feel
that
you
know
it
did
exhibit
the
characteristic
of
a
of
a
junction
of
a
road
you
mean,
I
take
your
point
in
terms
of
the
the
crossroads,
but
of
course
you
would
you
would
have
the
right
away
along
that.
If
you
know,
if
you're,
if
the
stop
saying
you're,
they
give
ways
from
the
opposing
sides
of
the
road
and
that
aspect
of
it.
B
B
I
did
feel
in
terms
of
the
enclosure
mixed
with,
and
I
know,
there's
been
some
uncertainty
over
the
the
the
legality,
if
you
like,
of
the
road
not
so
much
as
is
it
a
real,
it's
a
road
very
clearly
used
by
all
the
residents
that
live
down
there
and
there's
a
significant
number
of
them,
and
and
so
for
that
purpose,
it's
certainly
a
road
that
leads
out
onto
a
junction,
and
so
from
that
aspect
you
know
in
terms
of
its
its
impact.
B
I
don't
feel
it
has
a
great
impact,
given
the
high
degree
of
enclosure
that
it
exhibits
from
any
angle,
and
I
think
that
maybe
then
has
a
negative
in
terms
of
detracting
from
the
view
of
the
other
houses
and
just
how
many
they
are
down
around
that
particular
location.
B
But
that's
my
view
with,
like
everybody's,
said,
their
pace
on
this
one,
so
we'll
move
then
without
too
much.
I
do
to
the
decision
phase,
so
counselor.
J
B
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
other
lights
on.
I've
made
a
view,
no
knowledge,
so
it
was
like
a
flip,
a
reverse
of
the
previous
application
between
myself
and
the
chair,
I'll,
not
push
it
to
a
vote
that
I'm
not
going
to
win.
So
I
will
then
conclude
that
one
and
the
next
application
I'll
let
people
come
back
in
and
there's
one
I
had
called
in
so
just
in
the
interests
of
transparency,
and
that
I
won't
sit
on
the
chair
for
this
particular
application.
B
I
just
called
in
a
couple
of
years
back
so
I
will
hand
over
to
our
vice
chair,
councillor,
savage
and
he
will
take
us
through
this
application
and
I'll
leave
the
room
at
this
stage.
I
just
want
to
confirm
the
life
it's
still
going.
Yes,
yeah,
okay,.
O
J
Okay,
members:
we've
got
everybody
back
in
the
chamber
on
with
alderman
bar
online,
so
this
is
appendix
3.
It's
application
who
slashed
2015,
slash:
zero,
zero,
twenty
eight
slash
safe,
trudy
chapman.
Our
senior
plan
officer
will
present
a
report
on
the
powerpoint
presentation
just
to
make
his
awards
whale
members
that
darmed
monahan
from
mba
planning
will
be
making
a
representation
in
support
of
the
application
and
also
in
attendance,
vet
zoom
and
having
speaking
rights
will
become
lindsey
from
ct,
lindsay
chartered
architect,
limited
so
sure
he's
over
there.
Q
Thank
you,
chad.
The
application
relates
to
the
direction
of
three
dwellings
in
market
hill
members
you're
advised
that
the
scheme
has
been
reduced
from
twelve
dwellings
initially
to
the
three
before
you
this
evening.
Prior
to
the
submission
of
this
current
scheme,
the
application
had
been
recommended
for
refusal
and
have
been
called
in
by
alderman
wilson.
Q
As
I
said,
the
application
seeks
approval
for
three
two-story
detached
drones,
with
an
access
onto
one
road
and
it's
within
the
development
limit
of
market
hill
during
the
processing
of
the
application.
19
third-party
objections
have
been
made,
one
petition
of
objection
with
its
signatures
and
one
letter
of
support.
Q
This
letter
support
was
received
after
the
application
was
reduced
to
three
drones.
These
objections
have
been
summarized
and
considered
in
the
report
previously
circulated.
The
members
are
advised
that
officers
are
of
the
opinion
that
the
majority
of
concerns
have
been
overcome
through
the
submission
of
the
recit
revised
scheme
before
you
this
evening,
consultation
responses
have
been
favorable
subject,
conditions
and
members
will
note
that
the
original
red
line
of
the
application
site
has
not
been
amended
and,
as
such,
some
of
these
conditions
relate
to
the
land
within
the
site.
Q
Officers
are
of
the
opinion
that
the
revised
scheme
for
the
three
dwellings
complies
with
the
area
plan
on
all
relevant
planning
policies.
As
I've
said,
consultations
have
been
favorable
and
we
are
of
the
opinion
that
the
main
points
of
concern
raised
by
objectors
have
been
overcome
and
on
that
basis,
members
are
advised
to
suggest
that
the
members
grant
planning
permission
subject
to
the
condition
set
out
in
the
report
and
I'll
just
take
you
through
the
powerpoint.
Please.
Q
This
application
is
taken
from
the
moon
road
looking
north.
So
this
is
where
the
the
entrance
point
will
be,
and
the
next
one
then
is
taken
from
one
road
looking
straight
into
the
to
where
the
dwellings
will
be
next.
One
please.
This
is
taken
from
within
that
entrance.
Looking
back
up
northwest
with
the
existing
houses
there
to
the
the
left
and
right
next
slide,
please
this
is
taken
at
the
top
entrance.
Q
So
at
one
time
there
was
actually
proposal
to
have
some
dwellings
and
exiting
at
this
point
this
end
will
no
longer
be
developed
on
the
next
slide.
Please
so
again,
this
is
looking
back
down
towards
the
houses
on
one
road
in
one
court.
Q
Next
slide
and
again.
This
is
taken
from
this
superhun
road
looking
south,
and
you
can
see
that
the
difference
in
levels
is
through
that
photograph.
Q
These
photographs
were
taken
in
the
rear
of
number
15
one
road.
Looking
back,
you
can
see
number
five
eden
court
to
the
rear,
which
is
the
development
to
the
other
side
of
the
application
site,
and
again
these
ones
are
number
21,
so
you
can
see
that
those
houses
in
eden
court
are
are
quite
close
to
the
existing
houses.
Q
Next
slide.
Please
and
again,
this
is
looking
back
down
the
site
again
from
the
number
21.
Q
next
slide,
so
these
ones
are
taken
from
an
upstairs
window
of
number
21
and
again,
you
can
see
the
level
differences
between
the
two
sets
of
development
next
slide,
and
this
is
looking
then
slightly
further
north.
From
the
same
vantage
point,
this
is
taken
from
number
21,
looking
back
towards
the
site
that
will
be
part
of
the
site
that
will
be
developed
and
again
eden
courts
in
the
the
distance
there,
and
then
this
is
a
google
street
view
image.
Q
So
this
is
our
site,
one
elevations
on
floor
plans
and
site
two
and
then
site
three
as
a
handed
version
of
that
one.
Three
next
slide:
please
those
are
our
site
sections.
There
should
be
another
side,
section,
yeah,
last
site
sections:
this
is
our
proposed
layout,
so
you'll
see
the
area,
hatch,
blue
on
the
right
hand,
side
and
then
a
close-up
of
that
on
the
left-hand
side,
when
we
had
the
12
12
dwells.
Q
The
next
slide
then
shows
we
had
a
reduction
till
11,
and
these
are
the
properties
he
objected
and
the
next
one's
down
to
10
and
the
next
one,
then,
should
be
nine
and
the
last
one's
our
current
scheme.
Now,
at
that
point,
you
have
one
green
dot.
That
was
the
people
who
then
wrote
ends,
and
they
had
no
objections
to
the
scheme,
the
red
dot.
Those
people
had
written
in
to
say
that
they
didn't
object
and
then
sent
a
further
objection
in
they
have
been
since
the
papers
were
released.
Q
J
J
For
your
report
judy,
I
can
check
that
we've
got
dermot
and
colin
online.
Can
you
hear
me
okay,
gentlemen,.
J
Okay,
but
you
will
have
three
minutes
to
make
representations
and
the
support
of
the
application.
You
should
be
able
to
see
a
clock
on
the
screen.
You
will
have
three
minutes
only
so
if
you
do
go
over
it,
you
will
be
cut
off
just
to
let
you
know
in
advance.
Okay,
so
the
clock
will
start
darn
it.
When
you
start
speaking.
M
M
The
application
takes
full
planner
permission
for
the
erection
of
three
detached
dwellings
and
lands
at
moon,
road
market
hill
sites
within
the
development
limit
of
market
hill
and
the
rmi
area
plan.
2004,
therefore
benefits
from
a
presumption
in
favor
of
development
planning.
Permission
was
previously
granted
for
the
erection
of
nine
dwellings
on
the
site
in
november
2008
and
the
plan
and
policy
context
has
not
changed.
Materially
since
then,
the
application
initially
sought
permission
for
twelve
seminars
hatched
two
allens
the
scheme
was
reduced
on
a
number
of
occasions
following
objections.
M
The
dwellings
will
be
finished
in
brick
and
render
which
reflects
the
local
area
and
have
been
carefully
cited
to
ensure
they
do
not
overlook
each
other
or
existing
houses,
since
the
proposal
was
reduced
to
three
dwellings,
one
ladder
of
support
and
one
letter
of
objection
of
being
submitted.
But,
as
the
case
officer
has
pointed
out,
the
objector
is
now
satisfied
with
the
scheme.
M
The
proposal
will
deliver
high
quality
houses
at
a
convenient
location
and
the
houses
will
respect
the
surrounding
environment.
The
application
is
in
accordance
with
all
rather
than
planning
policy,
and
we
would
respectfully
ask
that
that
information
is
granted
thanks
very
much
for
your
time
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
J
E
Yeah
thanks
sharon
thanks
judy
three
just
plain
clarification:
the
objector
in
relation
to
the
three
dwellings
in
in
one
court,
american
saying
he
is
now
he
has
withdrawn
that
objection.
So
really
now
what
we've
got
in
front
of
us
now
is
really
a
supporter,
which
is
that
that
one
mark
number
one
just
for
clarification.
Thank
you.
Maybe.
Q
Thank
you,
councillor
nicholson,
yes,
and
in
theory
the
other
objections
still
stand.
Two
two
were
technically
withdrawn.
They
wrote
into
us
and
said
that
with
no
further
objections,
but
because
they
still
stand,
we
have
to
consider
them
anyway,
aware
of
the
view
that
the
amount
of
plans
do
you
overcome
all
those
concerns
and
yes,
we
did
receive
one
from
a
resident
in
one
court
on
as
say
they
were
in.
They
originally
objected
and
brought
in
when
the
three
were
proposed
and
said.
Q
We
don't
have
any
objections
to
this,
and
then
they
wrote
back
asking
for
the
red
line
to
be
reduced,
which
I
think
would
have
given
them
some
more
assurances
and
when
that
wasn't
done,
then
they
objected.
So
once
they've
read
the
report,
that's
been
circulated
to
members
and
seen
the
conditions
that
we've
gone
to
protect
that
space
and
they're
more
than
content
wasn't
nice,
so
they
they
chose
not
to
come
and
speak
and
they
they
were
content
enough
on
friday
that
the
application
should
go
on
as
it
was.
K
Thanks
chair,
perhaps
this
is
a
question
for
dermot.
It's
in
relation
to
the
wastewater
treatment
proposed
search
treatment,
plant
and
just
where's
that
located
on
the
site
and
just
how
is
that
going
to
be
managed
stand?
I
am
I
under.
I
know
what
that
is:
condition
condition.
Fourteen
but
yeah
therma
could
also
answer
those
questions.
J
Thank
you,
mr
torman.
If
you
wanna
answer
them,
please.
M
Yeah
thanks
very
much
members.
The
site
plan
does
show
or
does
indicate
that
there
will
be
septic
tanks
for
the
dwellings
within
the
last
number
of
weeks,
and
a
water
have
issued
a
further
consultation
response
to
say
that
the
local
wastewater
treatment
plant
actually
does
have
capacity,
and
so
does
the
the
local
fire
network
to
serve
these
houses.
So
the
treatment
plants
in
all
likelihood,
probably
won't
be
required
now.
So,
while
they're
showing
on
the
side
plan,
I
don't
think
they're
necessary.
M
So
I
would
imagine
the
applicant
will
make
an
obligation
to
connect
into
the
local
wastewater
treatment
plan.
J
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
stanford
for
that
response.
Your
content
concert
her
mom.
Thank
you.
Okay
members.
I
don't
see
any
lights
on
so
there's
no
further
questions,
we'll
move
into
the
debate
stage
so
remember
to
have
any
thoughts
on
this
obligation
and
to
the
show
tonight.
Please.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
john
and
now.
Look,
I
think
it's
pretty
clear.
You
know
from
the
presentation.
It's
been
a
substantial
negotiation
with
with
the
planning
in
this
one
and
when
it
when
it
started
with,
was
it
12
and
it's
now
down
to
three
so
and
I
think
that
you
know
truly
has
outlined
that.
E
Obviously
it's
in
accordance
with
all
the
the
the
planning
guidance
and
and
it
as
I
say,
I
know
the
area
where
and
I
think
that
it'll
provide
you
know
additional
homes
within
an
area
which
is
which
you
know
homes
are
being
sold,
are
sought
after
so
it's
it's
to
me,
I
think
we've
again
a
very
thorough
and
detailed
report.
So
I
think
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
good
enough
scheme
and
support
the
recommendation
seems
to
be
the
right
ones.
Thank
you.
J
If
not
we'll
go
straight
to
the
decision,
remember
so,
can
I
have
somebody
to
propose
or
reject
the
recommendation.
Counselor
nicholson.
J
So
members,
that
is,
that
application
concluded.
We
have
approved
that
gentlemen
who
were
onliner.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
on
your
clarification
or
when
required
so
we'll
get
the
chair
back
and
move
on
to
appendix
4.
O
B
F
Thank
you
chair,
and
this
is
for
the
proposed
direction
of
the
general
industrial
unit
and
associated
site
work
on
lands.
220
meters,
north
of
12
turns
town
drive
per
gallon.
This
application
is
being
presented
planning
committee
tonight
as
more
than
four
objections
from
four
separate
postal
addresses
have
been
received.
F
F
The
proposals
for
the
direction
of
general
industrial
unit
the
site
is
located
within
the
development
limit
of
pregaven
urban
area
is
defined
for
the
pregaven
area
plan
and
a
zone
for
industrial
development.
The
plan
identifies
a
number
of
key
site
requirements
for
the
wider
zoning
and
I'll
set
out
in
detail.
The
report
officers
are
satisfied.
These
key
site
requirements
have
been
met.
Policy
said
one
states
that
favorable
consideration
will
be
given
to
development
proposals
within
salmon
limits
on
zone
sites,
provided
a
number
of
criteria
are
met
and
planned
policy.
F
Pd1
states
that
development
poses
for
such
uses
will
be
put
in
an
area
specifically
allocated
for
such
purposes
in
a
development
plan,
provided
it
is
of
scale
nature
and
form
appropriate
to
location
officers
are
of
the
opinion
that,
subject
to
the
above,
the
principle
of
development
is
acceptable
in
terms
of
design
and
layout.
The
building
will
be
used
as
a
production
facility
for
heavy
duty
plant
machinery
for
forestry
activities
and
associated
delivery
and
distribution.
The
use
defines
the
requirement
for
the
scale
of
proposed
development.
F
The
design
and
finish
of
the
bose
building
would
not
be
out
of
character
with
the
other
existing
development
within
the
industrial
estate,
and
the
proposal
will
also
retain
substantial,
existing
landscaping
to
the
rear
of
the
development
which
will
limit
views
of
the
development
from
the
existing
residential
properties
lying
to
the
north
of
the
site
and
considering
the
impact
and
amenity
officers.
The
nearest
residential
dwelling
is
located
approximately
35
meters
to
the
rear
of
the
site
in
baltimore
meadows,
with
the
separation
distances
and
the
intervening
material
landscaping
along
the
rear
boundary.
F
A
biodiversity
checklist
has
been
submitted
in
support
of
the
proposal
which
states
the
site
is
unlikely
to
support
priority
habitat
or
protect
the
species.
Officers
are
consent
that
the
problem
does
not
adversely
affect
features
of
naturally
built
heritage.
The
proposal
takes
access
onto
the
existing
spur
road
from
charlestown
drive,
which,
in
turn
accesses
onto
the
charlestown
road.
This
proposal
will
provide
circulation
area
and
parking
for
htvs
and
parking
provision
for
18
cars,
including
two
accessible
parking
spaces.
A
total
number
of
12
staff
and
three
visitors
are
anticipated.
F
Dfi
roads
confirmed
that
when
assessed
in
the
round
is
content
with
the
parking
provision
ni
water
had
advised
that
a
high
level
assessment
had
indicated
potential
network
capacity
issues.
The
applicant
was
required
to
submit
an
impact
assessment
to
acidity
and
whether
any
necessary
alternative
drainage
treatment
solutions
can
be
agreed.
Any
water
have
confirmed.
They
are
satisfied
that
the
data
can
can
achieve
some
measure
of
stormwater,
offsetting
and
officers
in
consultation
with
any
water
are
content
that
a
satisfactory
means
of
surface
water
and
sewage
disposal
can
be
achieved.
F
And
the
red
arrow
shows
you
just
the
location
of
our
application
site
there,
just
off
charlestown
drive-
and
this
is
the
site
location
plan
showing
the
application
site
outlined
in
red
and
you'll,
see
about
the
core
meadows
line
to
the
north
of
the
site
and
just
an
area
view
of
the
site
again
with
the
site
outlined
in
red,
and
you
can
see
the
existing
road
spur
road
leading
into
the
site.
It's
currently
erected
on
site.
F
This
is
a
photograph
looking
across
at
the
mature
boundary
to
the
north
of
the
site
there
and
just
another
view
looking
towards
the
northeast
and
again,
you
can
see
the
significant
mature
vegetation
along
those
boundaries
and
just
a
view
of
the
site
looking
towards
the
southeast,
and
these
are
other
buildings
in
the
within
the
industrial
estate
and
looking
toward
land
to
the
south
of
the
application
site
and
just
another
view
of
those
existing
buildings
in
the
industrial
estate.
F
And
that's
a
photograph
review
of
charleston
drive
just
looking
up
towards
charlestown
road,
and
that
is
our
proposed
site
layout
and
you
can
see
that
parking
and
circulation
space
to
the
front
of
the
actual
building.
And
then
you
can
see
the
green
areas
where
there's
grass
proposed
and
vegetation
being
retained
to
the
north
and
the
northeast,
and
that's
just
a
section
of
the
plan
of
the
building
proposed
and
that's
the
elevations
of
the
buildings
proposed.
B
And
we
have
some
representation
from
william
somerville
of
ws
design
in
support
of
the
application.
So
I
take
these
online
and
at
this
stage
you
can
probably
confirm
that.
B
Yeah,
that's
great
okay,
and
thank
you
for
coming
along
to
the
committee
today,
you
will
have
three
minutes
to
make
your
representation
and
on
that
timer,
which
you
see
in
the
screen
will
start
whenever
you
start
your
representations,
so
when
you're
ready
feel
free
to
commence.
Thank
you.
H
Hey
thanks,
mr
chairman,
many
members
hey.
Yes,
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
all
matters
have
been
considered
and
that
will
agree
with
the
planning's
decision
for
approval.
They
the
main
objections
around
the
noise.
They
were
about
quite
considerably
with
environmental
health.
It's
the
extent
that
they
actually
don't
scientist,
not
the
existing
premises
of
oakleaf
on
scientists
at
each
individual
process.
B
Frame
there
so
with
there
being
no
other
contributions
from
either
and
those
in
support
are
against.
We
will
move
then
to
questions
by
members
for
russian
or
planning
official
or
for
our
person,
for
we
only
represented
at
the
application
there.
So
I'll
take
any
questions
at
this
stage.
N
Thank
you
chair
and
yeah.
Is
it
ours
rasheen
sorry
cna
water
has
concerns,
but
the
potential
capacity
for
the
water.
So
can
you
get
more
information
on
that?
Please.
F
Yes,
thank
you,
sir.
Yes,
they
had,
they
had
concerned
about
the
the
bizarre
network
capacity
issues
and
it
was
really
to
do
with
the
infrastructure
between
the
wastewater
treatment
works
on
the
site,
not
necessarily
the
way
it's
where
the
treatment
works.
So
they
asked
for
the
submission
of
an
impact
assessment
to
ascertain
whether
there
was
any
solutions
that
could
be
agreed
and
they
have
assessed
the
impact
assessment
and
they're
satisfied
that
some
measure
of
stormwater
offset
and
can
be
achieved,
which
would
allow
which
would
allow
capacity
up
in
the
financial
network.
F
J
Thank
you
very
much
chair,
that's
possibly
just
a
question
for
william.
I
just
noticed
that
the
conditions
and
the
on
the
operations
at
the
site
and
it's
going
to
be
limited
to
8
a.m,
to
6
00
during
the
week,
not
at
all
at
the
weekends.
Is
that
something
that
the
business
kind
of
here
too
william?
Thank
you.
E
Yeah
thanks
chairman
thanks
roshin
and,
I
suppose,
rushing
just
in
relation
to
the
the
the
site.
I'm
assuming
this
is
an
industrial
site
on
the
roads
existing
into
this,
and
it
was
indigenous
that
this
was
you
know,
broken
into
separate
units,
fully
serviced
and
and
really
we're
dealing
with
the
sort
of
the
detail.
You
know
the
actual
use
has
been
sort
of
established,
and
so
I
suppose
I've
sort
of
saved
the
drawings
we're
retaining
that.
E
I
take
a
routine
all
the
landscape,
there's
any
additional
landscape
being
provided
or
fencing
or
any
gap
between
the
the
boundary
of
of
of
the
the
proposal
and
obviously
the
residents
above
and-
and
I
suppose
from
look
that
landscape
is
quite
mature
and
and
I'm
assuming
that
it
in
itself
sort
of
does
create
that
buffer.
You
know
between
the
residential
and
and
and
the
proposal,
so
I
suppose.
D
F
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Yes,
this
is
zone's
owned
industrial
land,
so
it
is
zoned
for
industry
in
the
area
plan
and
the
road
network
is
in
place
and
that
spur
road
is
there,
it's
approved
and
built.
So,
yes,
this
was
sold
as
a
as
a
service
site
in
terms
of
the
landscaping.
Yes,
there
is
mature
landscaping
along
that
northern
boundary
which
backs
on
demand
the
core
meadows.
Those
trees
are
approximately
six
to
seven
meters
in
height,
they
are
very
mature
and,
yes,
they
are
between
being
retained.
F
All
of
that
vegetation
that
you
see
is
not
being
touched.
It's
being
retained.
The
building
is
sitting
between
at
different
points,
obviously
between
17
and
12
meters,
back
from
from
the
edge
of
the
the
site,
and
there
is
an
existing
boundary
fence
to
the
to
the
back
of
the
vegetation.
All
of
that's
being
retained.
It's
not
being
touched.
O
E
Yeah
thanks
for
sharing
and
sort
of
given
that
to
be
the
case,
I
see
there's
a
whaley
around
the
building,
for
obviously
there
must
be
a
small
stream
there
or
something
so
and
that
will
not
affect
the
budget.
The
building's
far
enough
forward
you're
happy
enough
that
it
doesn't
affect
that
existing
belt
of
vegetation
to
allow
for
that,
because,
obviously
this
is
the
other
side
of
the
stream,
so
just
powerful.
F
Yes,
that
mature
those
tall,
mature
trees
are
on
the
other
side
of
the
ditch
or
the
stream
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
But
yes,
rivers
agency
have
asked
for
a
five
meter
wide
maintenance
strip.
Now
there
is
low
scrubbing
that
maintenance
trip,
but
that
wouldn't
be
touched
wouldn't
be
touched
in
the
event
that
rivers
agency
require
access
to
it
and
there's
a
condition
on
them
that
any
vegetation
is
removed
to
have
to
be
replaced
at
some
point.
But
no
we're
satisfied.
Those
tall,
mature
trays
that
you
see
in
photographs
will
be
retained.
E
I'll
I'll
make
a
start,
sure,
no
look,
yeah,
look
again
very
detailed
report
on
and
and
obviously
all
the
the
different
console
t's
have
been.
You
know
consulted
with
on,
and
things
addressed
and
again
it's
zoned
industrial
land
and
there's
been
a
a
noise
assessment
carried
the
conditions
there
are.
Are
there,
for
you,
know,
hours
of
use
which
the
the
the
agent
and
the
client
have
confirmed.
They're
happy
enough
with
so
and
there's
also
sound
conditions
on
on
the
actual
the
link.
E
So
you
know
I
I
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
robust
application.
Again,
it's
been
well
sort
of
vetted
by
by
our
plan
officers.
I
think
it's
you
know
it's
it's
good
to
see
this
type
of
development
happening
you
know
in
in
in
these
in
these
vacant,
which
was
indigenous
for
them.
You
know
so
I
I
see
it
as
a
good,
sound
application
channel.
L
Yes
again,
mr
chairman,
I'm
very
happy
to
support
that
comment
and
that
proposal-
and
I
know
the
site
very
well,
born
and
bred
in
that
area,
and
I
know
it
was
part
of
the
original
industrial
designation
of
the
craig,
often
plan,
and
so
it
is
always
known.
It
has
always
been
known
as
an
industrial
potential
site,
and
this
is
a
step
forward
in
the
plan,
I'm
very
happy
to
support
it
and
second,
the
proposal.
B
L
B
No
okay,
if
not,
then
we'll
move
to
index
five
then,
which
is
an
application
for
approval.
It
is
you're,
gonna,
be
trudy.
B
Yes-
and
we
have
oliver
james
spears,
making
a
representation
just
a
way
to
to
get
jim
out
of
the
foyer.
B
E
B
E
Hey
chairman,
as
you
can
probably
see
from
the
photographs
we
have
on
the
base
center
very
close
by
this
application
and
when
was
in
the
office
one
day
and
we
received
some,
you
know.
Obviously
I
discussion
from
some
of
the
objectors
to
this
application
within
the
office.
So
I
explained
that
I
was
on
the
planning
committee
and
obviously
we
didn't
discuss
it
at
the
merits
of
it.
So
I'm
happy
to
sit
on
chairman
and
have
that
recorded
with
an
open
mind.
So
thank
you.
I
Alderman
spears
you're
very
welcome
along
to
the
committee.
If
you
want
to
maybe
move
up
to
that
other
maker
phone
would
that
be
or.
Q
Q
Members
are
advised
that
the
objections
were
received
from
and
on
behalf
of
two
objectors
and
their
main
objections
have
been
detailed
and
considered
in
the
report
circulated.
However,
these
relate
primarily
to
the
location
within
a
built-up
area
and
the
potential
nuisance
from
noise
and
droppings
membership
advice.
Environmental
health
were
consulted
and
following
clarification
from
the
applicant
regarding
issues
such
as
the
number
of
birds,
their
exercise
patterns
letter
disposal
advised
that
they
had
no
objections
to
the
proposal.
Q
Members
are
advised
that
the
objections
have
been
fully
considered.
The
consultation
responses
were
favorable
and
officers
showed
the
opinion
that
the
proposal
meets
the
policy
requirements
of
pps7
addendum
and
the
spps
on.
In
this
basis,
it
is
recommended
the
membership
planning
permission
and
I'll
just
take
you
through
the
slides.
Q
So,
like
the
last
one
that
I
presented
we're
in
market
hill
again,
this
is
our
site
location
plan
on
the
next
one,
please.
This
is
an
aerial
photograph
that
gives
you
a
view
of
the
the
wider
area,
and
this
is
our
application
site.
So
our
site
is
marked
by
the
the
green
lawn
right
in
the
center
of
the
fedora
and
the
pigeon
lofts
are
just
to
the
north
of
that
lawn
next
slide
please.
Q
So
this
is
a
picture
showing
that
the
frontage,
so
that's
number
92
you'll,
see
that
it's
a
butchers
on
a
dwelling
and
to
the
rear.
Then
this
is
the
photograph
of
the
pigeon
loft
to
be
retained
and
the
next
one
is
another
photograph,
then
of
the
same
pigeon
loft
you'll
see
the
other
ones
adjacent
to
it.
Q
This
is
taken
from
the
rear
of
92.
When
I
went
out
to
take
the
photographs,
I
was
led
through
the
the
butchers
and
there's
a
metal
set
of
steps
at
the
back
of
it
from
first
floor
level.
So
this
is
taken
at
first
floor
level
out
over
the
existing
garden
and
pigeon
lofts
and
buildings
to
those
buildings.
You
can
see
the
roof
off
are
actually
the
neighbors
to
the
south
and
the
sorry
and
this
one
nope
just
incapacitation.
Q
This
a
little
veranda
then
belongs
to
number
92
next
slide
please.
So
this
is
taken
from
the
back
of
the
garden
looking
back
up
and
shows
you
the
existing
pigeon
lofts
that
are
immune
from
enforcement
action
and
the
one
that
we're
concerned
with
just
at
the
top.
It
also
shows
you
that
then,
the
rear
of
the
buildings
that
are
along
main
street
this
is
taken
slightly
further
up
and
again
shows
that
the
veranda
is
associated
with
the
92
that
the
metal
stairs
that
I
took
the
original
beginning
photographs
with
the
objector.
Q
Q
This
is
taken
from
the
side
alley,
so
this
is
looking
back
up.
There's
a
an
access
and
large
metal
gates
that
close
that
off,
and
then
we
have
the
objectors
property
to
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
photograph.
Q
These
are
our
elevations
and
floor
plans,
and
this
is
our
layout
showing
the
arrangement
of
the
back
garden
where
everything's
positioned-
and
this
is
a
language
submitted
by
the
the
applicant,
so
anything
that's
green
is
considered
to
be
an
empty
space.
Anything
that's
blue
is
a
domestic
property.
The
yellow
indicates
a
nursing
home.
We've
had
a
check
at
this.
We
have
no
reason
to
disagree
with
this.
His
assessment
of
that
just
thought.
It
might
be
useful
for
you
to
see
that
and
that's
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
We
have
other
one
jim
spears.
I
have
noted
who
is
here
to
make
representations
and
objection
to
the
application
ultimate
speech.
You'll
have
five
minutes
to
make
your
comments
on
the
application
and
that
time
will
start
you'll
see
the
screen
you've
been
here
before
the
screen
up
in
front
of
you.
So
that's
just
your
timer
and
it'll
start.
Whenever
you
start
your
remarks
so
feel
free
to
start
whenever
you're
you're
ready.
P
Right
chairman,
first
of
all,
I
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
along
here.
I,
on
behalf
of
the
principal
objector
in
the
person
of
mrs
willis,
mrs
willis,
is
the
owner
of
an
adjoining
property
has
has
been
referred
to,
and
I
know
the
area
particularly
well.
I
have
some
knowledge
of
the
damage
that
pigeons
can
do
within
built-up
area
or
a
residential
area.
P
I
live
not
far
away
and
I
used
to
have
a
pigeon
loft
at
the
bottom
of
the
road,
with
three
or
four
houses
and
the
pigeons
had
an
awful
habit
of
landing
on
our
property,
and
it
wasn't
particularly
a
nice
situation
in
many
occasions,
but
in
relation
to
this
property-
and
I
have
along
with
some-
my
constituent
is
mrs
willis.
Now
she
has
sent
me
along
with
a
few
slates
now
this
is
one
of
the
slates
that
that
is
all
four
roof.
P
Now
her
roof
has
been
a.
I
understand
it
has
been
replaced
on
a
couple
of
occasions
now
she
tells
me
that
this
is,
and
I
am
aware
that
this
is
the
result
of
pigeons
on
the
roof.
Now
I
visited
the
property,
and
actually
I
seen
about
30
pigeons
sitting
on
the
roof
and
as
a
result,
this
is
a
the
damage.
P
Now,
if
that
was
your
house
or
mine,
or
I
suspect
anyone
in
this
building,
we
would
be
asking
questions
as
to
the
suitability
of
a
pigeon,
loft
or
pigeon
lofts
at
that
location,
and
that
is
the
concern
of
mrs
willis.
Now,
I'm
not
sure
whether
a
and
I've
have
explained
this
to
mrs
willis
in
relation
to
it,
but
I
know
that
the
planning
committee
have
powers
of
mitigating
some
of
these
things
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
or
not
they
can
enforce
conditions
in
relation
to
this.
P
But
it
obviously
is
a
problem
and
it's
a
problem
that
will
not
go
away
until
something
happens.
I
I
see
the
clock
ticking
chairman.
I
have
no
desire
to
speak
at
length
any
further
about
it,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
indulgence
of
the
committee
and
I
would
beg
your
consideration
in
relation
to
this
matter.
P
I
think
it
is
one
that
does
deserve
a
proper
consideration,
because
it's
evidence
and
I
have
another
sleep
and
it's
just
as
bad,
and
this
is
a
result
of
a
damage
that
has
been
done
to
the
roof
and
she
has
replaced
some
of
the
sleeves
and
there
are
many
more
that
are
now
ready
for
replacing
on
the
same
roof.
Thank
you
chairman,
and
I
remember,
has
any
question
I'll
endeavor
to
answer
or
not
promise.
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
you're
well
within
your
time,
but
just.
B
I
supposed
to
clear
this
slip
and
not
to
use
a
upon,
but
we
do
have
a
policy
where
evidence,
no
matter
how
it's
brought
should
be
submitted
prior
to
the
meeting
so
I
have
to.
I
have
to
mention
that
that
any
sort
of
any
information
we
had
videos
earlier,
which
were
submitted
in
good
times
so,
and
I
have
to
mention
that
anyone
appearing
before
the
committee
must
bring
any
evidence
they
wish
to
bring.
B
You
know
prior
to
the
meeting,
was
just
to
put
that
on
the
record,
but
your
points
have
all,
of
course,
been
noted
by
the
members
here
and
at
this
point
we
will
move
on
then
to
colin
lindsay
who
is
going
to
make
a
representation
as
the
agent
in
support
of
the
applications
of
column.
In
the
same
vein,
your
time
will
start
as
soon
as
basically,
you
start
talking,
and
there
should
be
a
three-minute
timer
up
on
your
screen
as
well
there,
so
when
you're
ready
feel
free.
Thank
you.
S
I
S
Everyone,
I'm
obviously
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
here.
I
would
fully
endorse
what
trudy
has
said
about
the
pigeon
loss
and
they
agree
with
her
recommendation
for
approval.
Obviously,
these
laws
have
been
in
this
site
from
the
1970s
large
loft
that
was
untrudy's
picture
was
constructed
at
the
end
of
the
70s
or
sorry.
Smaller
one
was
constructed
at
the
end
of
the
70s,
and
then
the
large
one
was
constructed
at
the
end
of
the
1990s.
S
The
number
of
boards
does
not
vary
with
this
new
loft.
In
fact,
we've
just
been
speaking
to
the
applicant
and
he's
reducing
his
number
of
boards,
he's
retired.
Now,
there's
more
time
to
spend
with
them,
so
he's
concentrating
quality
on
the
number
of
boards
is
coming
down.
This
retention
of
this
new
loft
is
not
an
intensification
here.
It's
allowing
the
man
to
continue
to
do
his
hobby
with
regard
to
the
damage
to
the
roof.
S
It
would
seem
unusual
that
that
property
is
the
only
property
in
the
area
that
has
had
its
roof
damaged.
The
applicant's
own
property
has
no
damage
to
the
roof.
The
pigeons
only
the
racing
pigeons
get
out
to
exercise
on
or
in
the
morning
no,
nor
in
the
evening
I
think,
there's
around
30
birds
in
total
get
out
to
exercise
at
the
minute
15
in
the
morning
15
in
the
evening
that
sort
of
level
the
rest
of
the
birds
don't
get
out,
they're
breeding
stock
or
your
own
words.
S
So
that's
really
it.
I
think
it's
just
important
to
emphasize
that
the
existing
laws
have
been
there
from
the
70s
they're
immune
from
any
kind
of
enforcement,
and
not
allowing
this
new
loss,
which
gives
the
birds
a
higher
quality
of
life
and
actually
a
waste
and
droppings
are
better
dealt
with
environmentally,
and
this
new
loft
er
really
makes
little
little
difference.
The
boards
will
not
still
be
boards
here,
there'll
still
be
pigeons
at
this
site,
but
hopefully
you'll
you'll
see
fit
to
approve
the
retention
of
of
this.
This
loft
all
right.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
call
for
your
presentation
and
we
did
receive
written
representations,
an
objection
also
from
elizabeth
whaley,
so
they
have
been
circulated
and
noted
by
the
committee.
I
think
one
of
the
last
meetings
had
failed
to
mention
the
fact
that
written
representations
were
received,
even
though
we
all
had
say
to
them.
B
So
it's
just
to
get
that
on
the
on
the
public
minute
that
that
has
been
received
from
elizabeth
whaley
on
then
we
will
take
and
we'll
open
the
floor
then
to
questions
for
either
the
planner,
the
counselor
and
support
or
an
objection,
application
or
the
the
agent
so
see,
counselor
savage.
Thank.
J
Thank
you
for
the
report
and
also
to
alderman
spears
in
column.
Further
they're
they're
over
richard
jackson's
should
say
representations.
J
If
I
could
ask
you
for
a
question,
I
was
gonna
ask
in
relation
to
the
life
of
a
recent
pigeon,
or
you
alluded
that
they
get
out
for
an
hour
in
the
morning
on
an
evening
for
exercise,
and
is
that
is
it
common
for
them
to
risk
being
right,
not
exercise?
I
have
no
idea
what
the
situation
is
to
just
go
out
and
fly
firing
or
under
the
straight
back
into
the
coop,
or
is
there
a
potential
for
them
to
to
roost
in
any
of
the
locations
around
market
hill?
S
I
think
my
understanding
is
that
they
they're
keen
to
get
back
in
they're
exercised
when
they're
hungry
and
they
basically
come
back
and
they're
mad
keen
to
get
back
into
the
loft
and
get
failed.
I'm
sure
they
do
set
good
alone
on
our
properties
and
then
come
down
in.
I
don't
think
we
can
go
down
in
in
the
into
the
loft
every
single
time,
but
I
don't
think
they
don't
sit
on
the
neighboring
properties
for
hours.
On
the
end,
they
arrive
back
into
the
loft
to
get
something
deep.
Q
Thank
you,
chair
members
will
maybe
remember
that
we
dealt
with
the
pigeon
off
back
in
2018
and
at
that
time
the
same
question
I
think
was
asked
and
the
advice
that
we
were
given
under
that
one
was
that
they
tend
to
go
out.
They
go
for
a
fairly
lengthy
fly,
they
come
back,
they
tend
to
land
on
their
own
loft
and
then
go
in
now.
I
don't
know
if
that's
and
I
used
to,
but
I'm
fairly
certain
that's
what
the
the
the
presentation
at
that
time
told
us.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Counselor
michael
lyndon,.
N
Thank
you,
sir,
and
a
couple
of
questions
3d.
How
many
pigeons
are
housed
in
the
lot
that
hasn't
or
can
you
have
any
idea?
How
many
are
they
hoping
to
to
have
more
or
less,
and
the
second
question
is
ultimate
spears
provided
evidence?
Have
you
any
other
evidence
of
damage
to
the
properties
in
the
vicinity?
Thank
you.
Q
Yes,
at
the
moment
there
are
120
housed
in
the
existing
older
lofts.
I'm
just
going
to
double
check
that,
for
you
there's
30
in
this
this
one
they
are
there
and
have
been
for
in
excess
of
about
four
years.
Anyway.
It's
not
the
intention.
We're
allowed
to
believe
that
this
is
to
increase
numbers
it's
to
provide
better
welfare
and
easier
cleaning
facilities
for
the
the
applicant,
so
the
number
won't
increase
by
approving
this.
Q
If
we
do
and
in
terms
of
the
evidence
to
damage
the
other
properties,
the
only
evidence
that
we
were
supplied
with
was
photographs.
There
was
no
evidence
to
structural
engineers
reporter
and
that
that
we
were
given
to
consider.
So
I
say
we
we've
considered
it,
but
we
didn't
give
significant
weight
to
it
in
the
decision-making
process.
B
S
Thank
you.
Apologies,
I'm
not!
I've
been
to
too
many
of
these
meetings.
So
not
not
entirely
sure
exactly
what
order
I
can
speak.
Basically,
the
number
of
boards
is
actually
down
at
the
minute.
It's
the
end
of
the
racing
season
and
that's
taken
quite
a
toll
on
his
pigeons
he's
down
to
about
80
birds
at
the
minute.
He
doesn't
actually
intend
going
back
up
to
big
numbers.
Again.
He
has
retired.
S
He
used
to
work
in
the
butcher.
She
the
mulder
off
the
butchers
but
he's
concentrating
on
quality
here,
not
quantity
of
birds.
So
he's
a
bit
really
eerie
at
the
minute.
He
doesn't
think
he'll
go
back
anywhere
near
former
levels.
He
thinks
nike
birds
would
be
sufficient
in
the
future.
E
Yeah
thanks
chairman
and
thanks
judy
and
thanks
everybody
for
their
presentation
so
far,
actually
again
just
clarification.
I
appreciate
the
the
the
these
pigeon
loves
are
in
situ
for
a
long
time
in
there,
for
example,
enforcement,
but
did
they
ever
have
a
planning
application?
Was
there
ever
anything
applied
for
for
the
for
this
type
of
development
in
these
gardens?
E
And
the
final
one
is:
is
the
is
the
old
people's
home,
the
retirement
home
that
is
adjacent
to?
Is
that
considered
residential
in
the
context
of
the
close
proximity
of
it
to
to
this
activity?.
Q
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
In
terms
of
the
plan
in
history,
there
is
no
plan
in
history
associated
with
them.
We're
aware,
from
speaking
with
the
agent
that
there's
been
lofts
on
the
site
from
1974.
Q
yeah
74.,
the
current
ones
on.
We
have
gone
back
on
area
photography
and
the
earliest.
We
can
go
back
as
2006
and
it's
clear
that
the
lofts
that
are
there-
and
I
were
the
ones
that
were
there
in
2006
and
to
be
honest,
the
aerial
photography
suggests
that
they
were
there
for
some
time.
The
site
visit
also
shows
that
those
ones
are
quite
aged,
so
we
are
of
the
opinion
that
they
were
immune
quite
some
time
ago.
Q
That
was
during
the
time,
obviously
of
the
department,
and
we
don't
know
whether
there
were
any
complaints
raised
or
our
work,
but
we
have
no
enforcement
history
associated
with
those
ones
in
terms
of
the
current
policies.
These
will
be
aware
again
from
the
2018
application
that
we
don't
have
a
policy
on
pigeon
loss,
so
we
have
to
assess
them
against
ext1.
It's
it's
our
domestic
one
you'll
also
be
aware
that
the
these
classes
means
that
we,
we
can't
have
sorry
permitted
development
rights.
Q
I
mean
that
while
pigeon
lofts
are
a
domestic
hobby
in
a
sense,
they
aren't
considered
to
be
ancillary
for
the
purposes
of
your
pd
rights,
and
you
must
apply
for
them,
which
is
why
we've
got
the
application
and
in
terms
of
the
the
nursing
home
at
the
north
end
of
the
site,
they
do
have
an
area
of
immunity
out
the
back
and,
and
that
was
taken
into
consideration,
but
there
is
a
significant
difference:
distance
between
them.
Q
The
other
thing
that
we
took
into
account
was
the
fact
that
the
flight
path
for
these
birds
is
predominantly
towards
gosford.
So
they
seem
to
take
the
scenic
route
out
of
the
village
and
round
gosford
and
come
back
in
the
lower
end.
So
they
ought
not
to
be
strand
too
far
north.
So
we
have
considered
mainly
the
properties
to
either
side.
E
Yeah
thanks
trudy
and,
as
I
said,
I
wasn't
in
that
committee.
I
do
recall
that
committee.
That's
why
I
just
want
clarification,
because
I
remember
it's
it's
a
while
ago
it
was
our
first
term.
I
think
that
that
application
came
in
front
of
this
committee
and
I
I
was
I
was.
E
I
missed
it
for
some
reason,
but
anyway,
look
thanks
for
the
the
the
clarification
and
a,
as
I
say,
the
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
in
relation
to
the
the
alleged
damage
to
the
property
and
and
if
you
look
at
the
photographs
it
to
me
and
I'm
no
expert
in
pigeons.
I
have
to
be
honest
here
and
I
I
know
very
little
about
them
and
but
looking
at
the
site
photographs,
it
does
look
like
that.
Roof
is
a
different
color
to
other
roofs
and
without
obviously
seeing
it.
E
It
does
look
like
it
potentially
could
be.
What
where
what
what
the
the
the
the
the
the
person
is,
is
a
the
objectors
complaining
about
and-
and
I'm
just
kind
of
thinking
of
myself
like
in
relation
to
you
know,
was
that
taken
into
consideration.
E
You
know
because,
obviously
it's
clear
from
those
photographs
to
me
that
there's
there
is
something
on
that
roof
and
it
didn't
get
there
by
magic.
It
has
to
have
come
from
somewhere
and,
I
suppose
the
proximity
of
of
I
know
what
make
me
this.
This
might
be
a
planning,
material
consideration,
you're
going
to
tell
me
that,
probably-
and
but
basically
it's
clear
from
the
photographs
to
me,
I
know
how
my
other
members
feel
that
there's
definitely
something
different
in
that
roof,
and
I
can
understand
that
was
my
roof.
E
Q
Thank
you.
Yes,
if
patricia
could
go
to
slide
six
for
me.
Q
I
did
notice
the
same
thing.
I
don't
say
that
that
one
roof,
but
this
is
the
thing
it's
that
one
if
there
doesn't
appear
to
be
the
same
discoloration
with
any
of
the
other
roofs
along
that
row.
While
the
objector
has
said
that
they're
of
the
opinion
that
this
damage
is
being
caused
by
the
pigeons,
we
have
no
evidence
to
substantiate
that.
We
don't
know
whether
it's
this
particular
applicant's
pigeons.
Q
We
don't
know
whether
it's
other
birds
in
the
area,
but
that
one
photograph
shows
the
rest
are
all
predominantly
quite
dark,
and
this
one
does
have
patches
on
it.
Q
It
could
be
some
other
reason
that
that
roof
is
being
affected
by
this
more
than
others,
but
we
didn't
have
any
evidence
before
us
to
suggest
that
it
was
definitely
these
pigeons
and,
as
mr
lindsey
has
pointed
out,
there's
no
more
than
46
of
these
birds
that
are
ever
let
out
the
rest
are
kept
in
and
at
that
stage,
they're
out
for
no
more
than
an
hour
each
time
and
in
two
batches,
so
the
46.
Q
You
know
it's
46
birds
out
for
one
r,
so
it
while
we're
talking
about
potentially
150
birds
housed
in
these
lofts.
At
no
point
will
there
be
any
more
than
45
out
for
any
longer
than
an
hour
and
taken
that
on
board,
we
didn't
feel
that
that
was
a
significant
reason
to
warrant
a
refusal.
I
You
treat
it
are
you
looking
in
again.
B
E
Okay,
try
to
sum
up
and
try
I'm
sorry.
No
look
did
I
I
don't
know
again.
Something
did
you
consider
conditions
you
know.
Obviously,
the
the
the
agent
has
actually
said
that
the
applicant
is
now
reducing
the
number
and
a
which
would
be
obviously,
I
would
say,
welcome
by
by
the
objector
and
also
if
there
was
any
like
another
words,
any
mitigation
measure
or
something
that
can
be
done
to
to
as
a
supposed
and
it's
been
a
good
neighbor.
E
You
know
that
type
of
thing
and,
as
I
say
like
you
know,
the
the
the
enforcement
element
is
is
is
a
massive.
You
know
weight
in
this
application
because
obviously
the
the
main
block
of
the
120
pigeons
is
established.
So
therefore,
I
you
know
it's
just
I'm
just
wondering
again.
This
is
this
is
completely
new
to
me
in
this
committee
and
we
don't
have
a
policy.
E
It's
it's
very
difficult
to
find
a
you
know
a
direction
out
of
this,
and
just
I'm,
I'm
just
trying
to
tease
around
and
see
what
what
has
been
thought
about
in
relation
to
this
process
to
to
bring
this
to
us
an
approval.
You
know
in
relation
to
tran
to
maybe
deal
with
a
problem
if
you
like
sorry,
thanks
dude.
Q
Thank
you.
We
did
consider
whether
we
could
have
any
mitigation
measures
on
whether
there
was
it
was
appropriate
conditions
on.
In
the
end,
we
felt
we
couldn't
enforce
conditions,
because
this
application
seeks
the
one
loft
for
30
birds.
There
would
be
nothing
to
stop
them
moving
those
birds
between
the
two
lofts
and
if
we
were
to
put
a
limit
on
the
number
in
theory,
if
there
was
a
complaint,
we'd
have
to
go
out
and
count
the
birds
which
ultimately
would
mean
having
to
let
them
each
one
out.
Q
Q
If
they
should
want
to
replace
those,
they
will
need
a
plan
application
for
those.
You
know
and
you'll
notice,
from
the
photographs
that
this
new
loft
is
designed
in
such
a
way
that
there's
vents
in
it
there's
a
tray
at
the
bottom
that
left
sides.
So
the
leather
is
easier,
managed
it's
it's
much
cleaner.
It's
much
tidier,
so
you
know
the
other
ones
will
come
to
their
lifespan
and,
as
colin
has
said,
it's
likely
that
the
applicant
will
run
these
down,
as
is
reducing
the
number
of
his
birds.
Q
So
we
didn't
feel
it
was
appropriate
to
put
conditions
on.
We
didn't
think
we
could
enforce
them.
K
H
Q
Thank
you,
yes,
spencer,
thomas
would
be
standard
practice.
Environmental,
health,
look
after
human
health,
so
we
we
go
to
them
for
any
application
that
we
have
concerns
about
that
historic
environment
invasion
board.
Can
we
consult
with
them
because
there's
a
list
of
buildings
nearby
and
to
be
honest,
they
would
have
raised
with
us
if
they
thought
that
the
proposal
was
going
to
damage
those,
so
we
got
kind
of
a
two-for-one
in
their
comments
coming
back
with
no
objections,
these
would
be
fairly
standard
there.
Q
There
isn't
really
anybody
out
there
in
terms
of
our
consultants
that
we'd
have
this
either
specialism
or
the
the
willingness
to
comment
on
an
application.
Like
this
as
say,
we
do
have
to
assess
them
against
the
extension
policies,
so
it
wouldn't
be
an
extensive
consultation
process
that
we
would
carry
out.
T
T
Environmental
house
took
readings
for
noise
at
certain
receptors
and
obviously
the
current
flap
in
the
wings
and
all
was
was
used
as
an
issue
from
the
the
third
party
objectives
and
another
issue
that
three
is
at
the
time
was
the
potential
for
pests
and
in
and
around
or
under
these
lofts.
T
Q
Thank
you
there.
There
are
some
similarities
and
some
sort
of
differences
between
the
two
applications.
The
previous
application
was
in
tandemkey.
It
was
in
a
predominantly
residential
area.
It
was
a
row
of
dwellings
and
at
that
point
environmental
health
had
received
a
number
of
objections
to
them
directly
in
terms
of
the
noise
potential
smell
on
vermin,
so
they
they
have
been
doing
their
own
investigations
on
that
one.
This
one's
slightly
different
in
a
it's
an
exterior.
Q
It's
predominantly
businesses
with
some
apartments
above
shops
and
the
odd
standalone
dwell
this
one,
the
previous
one.
We
had
quite
a
lot
of
debate
on.
It
was
the
first
time
anything
like
this
had
come
before
the
members,
and
there
was
questions
about
the
likes
of
vermont
so
because
we've
been
out
to
this
a
site
visit
for
that
one,
we
paid
attention
to
those
particular
queries
that
was
raised
on
that
application
when
we
considered
this
one.
Q
So
this
one
has
been
designed
in
such
a
way
that
vermin
will
won't
be
the
same
issue
on
the
basis
that
it's
raised
off
the
floor.
It
has
that
litter
tray
the
old
ones.
We
don't
have
any
control
over
those
and
they
may
cause
an
issue
now,
on
the
day
of
the
site.
Visit
for
the
one
in
tandergay
members
paid
particular
attention
to
any
noise
in
that,
and
they
walked
up
and
down
in
front
of
the
loss,
and
I
did
exactly
the
same
for
this
one.
Q
There
was
very
little
noise
coming
from
them,
and
I
did
particularly
look
for
the
likes
of
extra
drop-ins
are
vermin
and,
to
be
honest,
they
were
dropping
during
the
old
lofts,
but
nothing
really
didn't
extend
around.
This
is
what
we're
considering
there
was
no
sign
of
any
vermin.
The
garden
was
too
hard
to
say
was
immaculate.
Q
As
I
said,
the
only
issue
I
seen
was
with
those
lofts
that
that
we
have
no
control
over
there.
There
were
some
droppings
around
it,
but
apart
from
that,
but
there
were
all
things
I
was
mindful
of
having
haven't
been
through
this
process
with
the
committee
before
to
keep
an
eye
out
for.
B
Okay,
members,
any
other
queries
on
this
one
for
colin.
I
can
only
bring
in
when
someone
asks
you
a
question.
I
suppose
one
question
I
would
have-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
can
answer
this,
but
what's
in
general
terms,
I've
done
with
a
number
of
cases
where
and
there's
been
power
lines
involved
and
just
generally
birds
wrestling
on
them
on
causing
issues
with
robins
down
below
one
was
in
particular,
was
over
play
equipment
at
a
player
group,
and
but
very
little
could
be
done,
and
in
that
regard,
I'm
just
wondering
what.
B
O
B
That,
but
there
are
instances
where
we
do
have
lots
of
different
types
of
birds
resting
on
roofs
and
I'm
not
I'm
just
wondering
just
purely
from
the
procedural
perspective.
What
tests
do
we
use
to
discern?
You
know
who
or
not
for
you,
but
what
is
responsible
and
what?
What
do
we
give
to
that?
Then
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
for
colin
or
trudy,
but
yeah.
S
B
Well,
in
terms
of
the
the
roof
column,
if
you
have
some,
you
know
contribution
to
mac,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
hear
it
at
this
stage.
If,
if
you
feel
you
have
something
bad
in
that
regard,.
S
The
only
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
I've
been
made
aware
of
the
applicant
that
the
only
roof
that
is
regularly
washed
in
the
area
is
the
one
that
belongs
to
the
complainant,
so
she
power
hoses
up
and
there
may
well
be
chemicals
on
it
in
relation
to
the
vermin.
The
one
thing
I
would
say
is
that
mr
mulder
owned
and
operated
that
butcher's
shop
for
years,
wednesday's
retired
he
still
is
still
his
name
over
the
door,
and
the
last
thing
they
want
about
that
place
is
vermin.
S
I
know
the
butchers
has
a
five
star
written
and
I
think
he'd
be
doing
everything
possible
to
ensure
there
is
no
vermin
brought
to
that
site.
We
are
his
pigeons,
no,
no,
that's
really!
All
I
would
head
there's
a
lot
of
wild
pigeons
supposedly
have
been
they're
knocking
down
the
mart.
There
were
a
lot
of
pigeons
roosting
there
and
they
are
now
floating
about
the
town
since
the
mart
has
been
demolished.
B
Just
from
my
perspective
on
you
know
the
you
know
the
the
source
of
this,
what
what
test
to
planners
and
an
actor
not
in
that
regard.
Q
Thank
you
chair
to
be
honest,
while
the
objector
had
written
into
saying
that
it's
their
opinion
that
it's
it's
these
pigeons,
that's
causing
the
issue
and
I've
given
us
the
photographs,
we
had
no
real
evidence
to
to
prove
that
when
I
was
on
the
site,
the
lofts
appeared
to
be
closed
up
and
there
were
pigeons
in
close
proximity
to
it.
So
they
didn't
appear
to
be
the
the
applicants,
but,
to
be
honest,
there's
no
way
of
knowing
for
definite,
because
you
can't
identify
a
pigeon
who
belongs
to
at
that
kind
of
distance.
Q
As
I
say
where
there's
no
evidence
supplied
to
us
that
that
we
could
robustly
consider
to
to
figure
out
if
this
is
where
the
problem
is
coming
from,
unless
I
say
no
more
than
45
are
allowed
out
for
one
r
at
a
time.
So
we
took
that
on
board
as
well.
B
Okay,
I
suppose
just
for
alderman
spears
in
terms
of
what
colonists
say
in
terms
of
the
washing
of
the
reef,
whether
that's
the
case
or
not,
would
it
be
an
assumption
that
you
know
it's
washed
because
it's
dirty
due
to
drop
ones
or
is
it
a
general?
Are
you
aware
of
the
any
washing
schedule
for
that
reefer
why
that
would
be
the
case?
Just
I'm
curious
just
to
understand
that.
P
Now
I
have
no
particular
knowledge
of
the
substance
of
pigeon
droppings,
but
if
it
dropped
on
your
car,
I
suspect
it
would
be
good
advice
to
get
it
off
really
quickly.
P
It
does
have
an
effect,
as
you
have
seen
on
many
occasions,
but
I
have
no
specific
knowledge
as
regards
the
nature
of
it
or
what
the
content
is.
But
my
understanding
is
that
it's
the
pigeon
droppings,
that
is
the
cause
of
it,
and
it
is
the
need
that
mrs
willis
has
indicated
to
me
that
she
has
cleaned
her
roof
and
had
it
power
washed
and
other
than
that.
I
can't
come
on
further
really.
J
Fantasy
there's
one
thing:
it's
clear
that
from
this
debate
is
that
issue
pigeon
robin's
not
going
to
resolve
by
whatever
decision
we
arrive
at
tonight
members.
There
will
still
be
pigeons
on
the
set
if
we
refuse
this
or
you
know,
and
that's
not
going
to
change
the
problem,
I'm
where
I'm
at
is
that
you
know
the
applicant
has
alerted
to
that
they're
going
to
reduce
the
number
of
pigeons.
J
J
Whatever
decision
we
arrive
at
is
not
going
to
appease
any
objectors
to
issues
around
droppings,
possibly,
and
from
that
point
of
view
you
know
I
have
minded
to
accept
the
recommendations
outlined
because
it's
not
going
to
address
any
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
about
engine
droppings
tonight.
So
that's
sort
of
my
opinion,
you're
not
sure.
Thank
you.
I
B
B
T
J
B
No,
that
being
the
case,
then
we
will
accept
the
other
recommendation
of
the
planners
and
we
will,
for
the
sake
of
time.
I
know
we
usually
break
around
six,
but
because
we
have
for
appendix
six,
because
we
have
person
representing
well,
maybe
take
this
application.
If
there's
agreement
to
do
that
and
then
we
can
take
a
break
up.
Okay,
that's
fine!
So
we
move
on
then
to
pandex
six
that
has
been
presented
by
kelly
elder
lawyer,
2021,
0,
337
and.
R
This
this
application
is
before
you
this
evening
as
it's
a
major
planning
application
members
are
advised
that,
since
the
papers
for
this
meeting
were
circulated,
further
corresponds
between
the
agent
and
the
environmental
health
department
have
been
received.
Environmental
health
have
advised
that
their
content
with
rephrase
operate
mars.
This
corresponds
has
been
considered.
An
addendum
report,
which
has
been
circulated
in
advance
of
this
meeting.
R
R
R
R
The
proposed
combined
hidden
power
unit,
the
speed
located
along
the
access
laneway
will
have
background
from
existing
vegetation
and
we'll
have
screen
planting
to
aid
its
integration.
The
principle
of
development
for
the
chp
unit
has
been
assessed
against
policy
re1
of
pps18
and
is
also
considered
acceptable
officers.
Will
yes,
our
officers
note
that
the
pre-application
community
consultation
report
detailed
that
immediately
concerns
were
expressed
in
relation
to
noise.
R
Subsequently,
the
applicant
has
implemented
mitigation
measures
on
the
site,
including
the
installation
of
acoustic,
fencing
and
updated
extraction
system
for
the
painting
workshop.
The
retention
of
these
mitigation
measures
is
proposed
in
this
planning
application.
Noise
impact
assessment
was
submitted
and
has
been
considered
by
the
environmental
health
department
and
no
concerns
regarding
residential
immunity
have
been
raised.
R
The
new
access
is
considered
to
be
a
betterment
in
terms
of
standard
and
is
also
removed
from
residential
properties,
unlike
the
previous
site,
access
which
was
adjacent
to
residential
properties.
So
this
new
access
is
considered
to
have
immediately
benefits
as
a
result,
dfi
roads
are
consent
with
sorry
content
with
the
access
arrangements
and
officers
have
recommended
the
inclusion
of
a
condition
requiring
the
previous
access
to
be
permanently
closed.
R
R
R
R
Members
are
advised
that
no
ladders
of
objection
have
been
submitted
regarding
this
plan.
Application
overall
officers
consider
the
proposal
to
meet
the
policy
requirements
of
the
spps
and
all
other
relevant
planning
policies,
and
on
that
basis,
approval
is
recommended
for
the
reasons
outlined
in
the
report
and
subject
to
the
conditions
suggested
in
the
report
on
the
addendum.
R
So
this
side
just
shows
the
location
of
the
site
in
the
channel
area.
You
can
see
that
it's
it's
just
located
southeast
of
the
southland
of
scarva,
but
is
in
a
rural
area.
The
next
slide
again
just
shows
a
closer
view
of
the
local
area.
To
the
north.
East
of
the
side
is
further
commercial
buildings,
a
just
to
the
south
of
the
site,
with
the
blue
dots,
there
are
residential
properties
and
then
further
southwest
of
the
site
is
a
scarver
house
which
is
the
listed
building
the
next
site
or
sorry.
R
Next
slide,
then
just
shows
the
red
line
boundary
of
the
site
and
the
site
location
plan
is
on
the
next
slide.
So
just
in
terms
of
the
sites
they
are,
the
new
access
runs
along
the
north
western
boundary
of
the
site.
So
vehicles
drive
along
that
boundary
and
enter
the
site
at
the
rear,
a
the
new
office,
the
newport
cabin.
You
can
see
it
on
on
the
photograph.
R
There
is
at
the
rear
of
the
site
as
well
as
well
as
the
car
park
and
in
the
background
there
is
a
building
number
five,
which
would
be
the
main,
a
fabrication
building
and
then
to
the
very
left
you
can
just
make
out
then
the
canteen
building.
So
you
can
see
that
the
new
buildings
are
supported
and
scaled
to
the
existing
buildings
that
were
on
the
site
previously.
R
R
The
next
slide,
then,
just
shows
a
yard
which
is
adjacent
to
the
old
mill
road
and
on
the
next
stage-
and
this
is
a
few
of
the
access
laneway
facing
through
upwards
old
mill
roads.
So
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
photograph
and
the
brass,
that's
where
the
chp
unit
is
proposed,
then
the
next
slide
will
show
the
elevations
of
the
sorry.
R
There
should
have
been
elevations
of
chp,
but
this
is
the
acoustic
fencing
that
goes
around
the
number
24
old
mill
road
and
you
can
just
see
the
previous
access
there,
which
was
very
close
to
the
property.
R
Again,
just
showing
you
the
previous
access
arrangement
from
the
road
and
then
finally,
a
this
is
a
photograph
of
the
of
the
yard
which
is
adjacent
to
the
danes
cast.
So
it's
the
schedule,
monument
there's
the
belt
of
protected
trees,
so
there
will
be
a
five
meter
buffer
within
that
within
that
yard.
I
Okay,
thank
you
kyle.
We
have.
O
B
U
Good
evening,
chairman
and
members,
I'm
here,
of
course
in
support
of
the
planning
decision
for
approval
of
of
this
application
and
the
occupant
is
a
business
called
alternative
heat
who
are
based
in
boundaries
in
scarva
and
would,
I
would
say,
be
the
largest
employer
in
the
area,
and
I
really
wish
to
comment
on
one
point
only,
and
it
has
already
come
up
as
an
addendum
to
the
decision,
and
that
was
condition
six,
which
is
regarding
the
opening
hours.
U
Originally,
these
were
quite
restricted
and
when
I
explained
this
to
kyle
and
also
sean
livingstone,
shawna
livingstone
of
the
environmental
health,
they
both
agreed
that
perhaps
there
could
be
an
amendment
to
these
hours.
The
present
business
operates
from
seven
in
the
morning
to
six.
In
the
evening.
The
the
previous
recommendation
due
was
from
eight
to
five
you'll,
see
in
front
of
you
this
evening,
a
recommendation
that
the
ours
be
restricted
to
seven
to
six
monday
to
friday
and
eight
to
one
saturday
and
closed
on
a
sunday.
O
U
Are
in
agreement,
the
approval
can
go
forward
on
that
basis.
I
have
nothing
else
to
add
that,
except
there's
been
extensive.
U
Research
done
on
this
through
studies
by
expert
consultants,
some
of
the
agencies
of
your
own
agencies
as
well
and
and
all
have
come
out
very
positive
and
in
support
of
this
application,
and
I
would
therefore
be
grateful
if
the
councillors
would
consider
these
revised
operational
laws
and
also
agree
with
the
planner's
recommendation
to
approve.
B
T
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
suppose
the
obvious
question
is
to
invite
a
few
comments
from
the
the
planning
officer
just
around
those
times
that
the
the
the
gentleman
there
on
the
screen
spoke
about,
and
there
was
no
wires
indicated
for
saturday.
Are
you
happy
with
that,
and
also
that
seven
to
six,
I
think,
was
what
he
requested
during
the
week.
R
Yeah
and
like
sure
in
term,
in
terms
of
the
of
the
r's,
the
original
condition
was
based
on
information
provided
in
the
noise
impact
assessment,
which
suggested
a
operating
times
of
eight
o'clock
to
five
o'clock.
So
subsequently,
mr
mccallum
has
approached
environmental
health
to
extend
those
hours
from
seven
to
six
and
from
it's
actually
a
reduction
on
saturday
if
to
from
eight
to
one
o'clock
and
environmental
health,
with
no
objection
to
that.
Obviously,
the
original
intention
was
to
protect
residential
immunity
and
we
feel
that
the
revised
condition
meets
that
objective.
C
Thank
you
chair.
Certainly,
it
was
a
quite
a
comprehensive
report
from
k
who,
I
think
was
first
time
presenting
the
committee.
You
certainly
said
a
high
standard
for
yourself.
Sometimes
when
so
much
information
is
presented,
so
clearly
it's
hard
for
us
to
ask
questions
as
it's
all
there.
So
I
think
the
right
call
has
been
made
by
plan
officers
on
this
one
and
they
do
know
the
appendix
are.
You
know
related
to
the
changing
condition
of
the
operating
time,
so
I'd
be
inclined
to
think
that
the
recommendation
before
us
is
appropriate.
I
Thank
you,
okay,
celebrate
any
other
views.
Members
at
this
point,
I'm
detecting
an
agreement
coming
so.
C
Thank
you,
chariots
I'd
just
like
to
pose
the
recommendation
before
us
to
approve
and
open
those
you'll
update
the
times
on
the
addendum
report
about
opening
hours
that
were
previously
mentioned.
Thank
you.
E
Yeah
chairman,
I
I
t
would
like
to
welcome
kyle
the
media's
first,
a
run
out
so
to
speak
and
again
he
is
sort
of,
as
as
conscious,
obviously
sat
quite
a
standard
in
in
the
content
of
his
report.
It
was
very
hard
to
find
a
question
it
was.
It
was
very
well
put
across,
so
I'm
happy.
Second,
the
recommendations.
Thank
you.
I
B
B
I
D
Thank
you,
chair,
they're,
proposing
this
for
the
development
of
the
park
and
ride
facility
to
facilitate
the
parking
of
vehicles
in
the
onboard
bus
transfer
of
those
attended,
opposed
the
approved
game
of
thrones,
studio,
tour,
castlevan
road
and
the
direction
of
associated
reception
ticket
building.
This
proposal
is
to
the
amendment
to
implement
approval,
to
relocate
70
of
the
cure
parking
spaces
from
the
north
western
age
edge
of
the
site
to
the
south
eastern
edge
of
the
site.
D
The
application
sticks
full
plan
of
permission
for
the
construction
of
70
car
parking
spaces
to
be
used
for
park
and
ride
purposes.
In
association
with
the
given
thrones
development
at
nml
studios,
the
proposal
would
replace
seventy
of
the
existing
spaces,
which
was
ceased
to
be
used
once
proposal
is
constructed.
D
As
you
may
recall,
planner
approval
was
granted
in
october,
twenty
twenty
for
the
park
and
raid
development
and
the
application
site
as
part
of
the
wider
game
of
thrones
studio
tour
tour
development.
The
approved
park
and
raid
facility
has
recently
been
developed
and
is
currently
inoperational
officers
obsessed
opposed
in
the
context
of
plan
and
policies,
and
the
principles
of
development
is
acceptable.
D
The
application
has
been
accompanied
by
all
the
relevant
reports
and
assessing
detail
in
consultation
with
the
relevant
consultees.
This
application
does
not
alter
the
travel
characteristics,
including
big
times
for
traffic
accessing
this
development
site.
The
current
proposal
requires
no
alteration
to
the
objectives
and
measures
as
detailed
in
the
service
management
plan
and
travel
plan,
drainage,
impacting
the
national
and
built
heritage,
impact
and
immunity
have
all
been
fully
considered
and
no
objections
have
been
raised.
The
application
has
attracted
no
third
party
representations
officer,
therefore,
opinion
that,
subject
to
the
conditions
attached,
this
application
should
be
approved.
D
D
D
Actually,
the
red
the
arrow
should
be
further
to
the
left
and
they're
currently
constructed,
but
they
will
be
relocated
after
this
one
if
approved,
is
a
constructor
and
that
just
shows
the
layout
and
landscaping
portal
so
as
before
that
there's
a
landscaping
through
the
center
aisle
of
mature
trees,
and
that
said,
thank
you.
Members.
B
B
J
B
Okay,
then
we
will
proceed
then
to
appendix
it,
which
is
lao
2022
nicola
is
going
to
present
on
this
one.
So,
nicole,
you
can
start
when
you're.
V
This
proposal
is
for
the
erection
of
the
play
area
and
play
equipment
and
2
meter,
high
fence
and
it's
lance
through
the
rear,
106
and
see
my
road
scotch
straight
imported
on
and
the
proposal
is
immediately
adjacent
to
scott
strait,
youth
and
community
center.
It
includes
updating
an
existing
play
area
by
providing
new
and
accessible
play
equipment,
improved
surfacing
and
street
furniture.
V
There's
no
increase
in
the
number
of
number
of
users
at
the
facility
and
there's
no
objections
to
the
proposal.
There's
no
concerns
from
both
dfi
roads
or
environmental
health
planning
issues
and
policies
have
been
considered
in
full
in
the
planning
report
under
the
following
headings.
Principle
of
development,
design,
layout
and
impact
on
timescape
impact
on
residential
amenity
access
and
parking
and
archaeology
and
the
belt
heritage
and
officer's
recommendation
is
to
approve
and
I'll
just
go
through.
The
presentation.
V
This
is
the
site
location
plan
next
slide,
you'll
see
just
the
existing
play
area
next
slide
place,
and
this
is
the
view,
then,
from
immediately
ages
and
looking
towards
the
play
area
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
is
then
a
slide
looking
down
towards
the
petrol
station
at
the
front
of
my
road
next
slide
place,
and
this
is
at
the
back
of
the
petrol
station,
then
looking
towards
the
site
of
the
access
next
slide.
V
This
is
just
some
details
in
terms
of
the
site
layout
and
the
equipment
being
proposed
next
slide,
just
some
site
details
like
a
slide
place,
just
the
elevations
without
the
fence
next
slide,
please
the
elevations,
then
with
the
fence
and
that's
just
a
proposed
image
of
of
the
the
details.
I
think
that
concludes
the
presentation.
Thank
you.
E
V
Sorry,
I
don't
know
the
exact
number,
but
I
know
there
are
a
number
of
there
are
a
number
of
pieces
of
equipment
which
have
been
identified
for
accessibility.
V
There's
a
treehouse
themed,
multi-activity
play
unit,
which
looks
looks
to
be.
There
may
well
be
accessibility
in
the
lower
sections
of
it
for
wheelchair
users
and
there
is
rotating
equipment
which
looks
to
be
accessible
equipment,
a
swing
which
is
for
motor
disability,
sensory
disabilities,
learning
disabilities.
V
R
C
Phil
player,
I
know
you
mentioned
the
equipment
on
site,
I'm
just
conscious
of
looking
at
the
you
know.
The
images
and
presentations
seems
to
be
if
the
child
wanted
to
use
the
play
equipment
that
they
would
have
to
go
through.
You
know
an
industrial
type
area.
You
know
petrol
stations
noted
here
and
while
the
officers
consider
you
know
safety
in
terms
of
access
to
the
site,
because
you
know
it
is
the
red
line.
C
Given
that
we're
looking
at
a
couple
of
car
parks
here
by
the
look
of
it-
and
maybe
we
would
have-
would
have
a
lot
of
traffic
flow
for
the
petrol
pedal
station
so
on
so
just
maybe
some
clarity
around
site,
selection
and
safety
of
children
navigating
into
the
site
sure
that's.
V
Yes
and
well,
the
site
is
accessible
from
the
residential
area,
immediately
adjacent
to
it,
and
there
is
a
path,
then,
from
that
area,
across
into
the
player
area,
the
player
will
have
paladin
fence
all
the
way
around
it
and
it
will
be
secured
off.
V
So
there
are
gates
proposed
in
terms
of
accessibility
and
being
able,
then
to
lock
the
park
up,
and
there
is
a
there
is
a
filling
station
further
to
further
along
to
the
north
of
the
site,
but
there
is
adjacent
car
parking
beside
it,
but
there
is
accessibility
to
be
able
to
provide
access
from
the
residential
area
without
having
to
transgress
across
those
vehicular
areas.
V
I'd
imagine
that
the
council
selected
the
cider.
It's
it's
been
proposed
by
the
council
because
of
the
existing
play.
The
fact
that
it
is
an
existing
play
area
and
to
upgrade
the
equipment,
because
I
could
see
that
the
equipment
that's
currently
in
place
isn't
excessive,
isn't
as
accessible,
and
it
does
look
fairly
dated.
B
E
C
C
This
is
maybe
more
smaller
neighborhood
type
area,
so
they're
a
smaller
amount
of
equipment,
but
it's
important
that
these
areas,
particularly
rural
villages
and
so
on,
are
being
thought
of
and
are
certainly
receiving
investment
from
council
in
terms
of
more
up-to-date
and
more
accessible
play
equipment,
and
my
certainly
issue
in
terms
of
access
certainly
was
contented
as
opposed
by
the
accessory,
the
housing
development
that
kids
could
now
get
through
there,
and
it
does
seem
to
be
maybe
the
major
housing
development
in
the
village,
so
so
it's
would
say,
yeah
appropriate
network.
I
F
Thank
you
chair.
This
is
for
the
erection
of
three
six
meter
high
flag,
pools
and
basis
at
the
downshire
arms
hotel
in
bambridge,
and
the
application
is
being
presented
to
the
planet
committee.
As
the
council
is
the
applicant.
The
application
is
accompanied
by
an
application
for
list
of
billing
consent,
as
the
downshore
hotel
is
a
list
of
building
and
the
proposed
development
is
located
within
the
listed
cartilage.
So
appendix
11
on
the
schedule
is
the
listed
building
consent
and
I'm
going
to
present
both
together.
F
So
the
application
site
consists
of
an
area
of
hard
standard
within
the
existing
car
park
at
the
hotel.
It's
within
the
settlement,
liberty,
bomb
bridge,
the
band
bridge,
train
center
and
the
primary
retail
core,
as
identified
in
the
area
plan
and
is
located
close
to
mixed
retailing
and
residential
properties.
The
flagpoles
will
be
located
behind
the
existing
stone
wall
which
surrounds
the
southern
boundary
of
the
car
park
and
flags
are
not
included
as
part
of
this
application.
F
The
proposal
will
be
viewed
in
the
context
of
the
existing
junction,
which
is
a
number
of
similar
structures
in
the
form
of
lampposts
and
welcome
signage
to
the
roundabout
officers.
Consider
the
installation
of
three
six
meter
high
flagpoles
at
this
location
will
not
detract
from
the
character
or
environmental
quality
of
the
area.
F
Officers
in
consultation
with
dfi
roads
are
satisfied.
The
proposed
development
will
not
prejudice
road
safety
or
significantly
inconvenience
the
flow
of
traffic,
as
previously
advised.
The
proposed
development
is
located
within
the
cartilage
of
the
downshot,
which
is
list
of
building
officers
and
consultation.
Phd
strike.
Buildings
have
assessed
the
application
and
considered
the
proposal
exerts
no
greater
demonstrable
harm
on
the
nearby
listed
assets
than
that
which
currently
exists.
F
The
nearest
residential
dwellings
are
beachfield
court,
which
is
approximately
50
meters
west
of
the
subject
site
and
obviously
the
opinion
of
the
post
development
does
not
unduly
impacting
residential
amending
officers,
recommend
the
planner
permission
and
listed
building
content
to
be
granted
subject
to
the
conditions
listed
and
I'll.
Just
take
you
through
the
slides.
F
And
that's
an
aerial
view
of
the
proposed
site.
You
can
just
about
see
the
application
site
outlined
right
there
at
the
south
of
the
downshire
hotel,
and
that
gives
you
an
indication
of
the
location
of
the
three
flagpoles
that
are
proposed
and
that's
the
elevation
of
the
flagpoles
and
that's
just
a
view
of
the
site.
So
you
can
see
that
flagpoles
be
located
just
behind
the
stone
wall
and
that's
just
another
view
of
the
site
from
inside
the
hotel
car
park.
F
B
J
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
don't
know
russian
or
is
going
to
take
us
just
in
relation
to
the
flagpoles
they're
going
to
be
in
the
the
cartilage
of
the
the
danger
hotel.
I'm
assuming
they'll
still
be
under
the
control
of
the
the
council.
On
that
you
know
in
wellston
hotel
property
with
a
hotel.
I
was
saying
what
goes
up
on
them.
I'm
just
thinking
you
know
possibly,
could
it
be
used
to
advertise
that
hotel
or
will
it
be
exclusively
under
control
of
the
council?
So
I
just
like
that
clarified.
Please.
A
E
Yeah
and
thanks
chairman
and
thanks
roshina-
and
I
suppose
it
again
it's
true
back
to
brian
and
and
my
first
question
has
been
answered
and
I'm
assuming
they
don't
show.
I
know
we're
going
to
flag
schools
in
the
car
park,
but
I
I
I
I
I
take
that
as
read,
but
no
brian.
This
is
similar.
We
had
I
think
last
month
I
think
there
was.
This
must
be
obviously
an
overall
strategy
that
the
council
is
doing
to
what
they've
done
in
all
areas
or
my
included.
E
You
know
in
relation
to
advertising
events
and
things
like
that.
Just
to
you
know,
obviously,
to
I
think
we
clarified
that
last
month,
there's
another
in
the
next
few
years,
hey
soon
of
the
rule
right
for
these
types
of
flagpoles,
here's
another
one
common
as
well.
So
obviously
this
is
very
much
to
do
with
game
of
thrones
and
events
and
bomb
bridge.
So
thanks
john.
A
Yes,
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
chancellor
nicholson.
Yes,
this
is
all
part
of
the
wider
on
bridge
enhancement
program.
We've
delivered
a
number
of
initiatives
across
bomb
bridge
over
the
last
year,
under
the
guidance
of
a
working
group
which
encompasses
the
members
and
and
the
the
chamber
in
banbridge.
So
this
is
this
is
part
of
the
enhancement
scheme
and
for
bambridge,
so
it
is
about
bringing
a
bit
of
color,
and
you
know
members
will
be
aware.
Also.
A
E
B
B
F
Thank
you
chair.
This
is
for
the
erection
of
four
eight
meter
high
flag,
poles
and
bases
at
the
lotus,
roundabout
grass,
verge
60
meters
west
upon
lotus
heights
and
bound
bridge
and
again
the
application
is
being
presented
to
committee.
As
the
council
is
the
applicant.
The
application
site
consists
of
a
grassed
area
situated
in
the
northern
side
of
the
a1
northbound
off
slip,
leading
to
the
lotus
residential
development,
roundabout,
the
context
of
surrounding
areas,
primarily
roads
infrastructure
alongside
the
lotus
residential
development,
which
is
approximately
100
meters
to
the
east.
F
The
application
sites
located
in
the
open
countryside,
as
identified
in
the
bandbridge
near
moore
and
area
plan
pps21
identifies
a
range
of
type
of
development
which,
in
principle,
are
considered
to
be
acceptable
in
the
countryside
and
cta
one
goes
on
to
state.
There
are
a
range
of
type
of
non-residential
developments
that
may
be
acceptable
in
principle
in
the
countryside,
for
example,
certain
utilities
or
telecommunications
development
officers
consider
that
proposed
development
falls
within
the
type
of
non-residential
development
which
may
be
acceptable
in
principle
in
the
countryside.
F
Will
be
viewed
in
the
context
of
the
existing
junction,
which
is
a
number
of
similar
structures
in
the
form
of
lampposts
officers
considered
the
installation
of
these
four
eight
meter.
Height
blood
pools
would
not
detract
individually
or
cumulatively
from
the
character
or
environmental
quality
of
the
area.
F
Officers
in
consultation
with
dfi
roser
of
the
opinion
that
the
proposed
development
will
not
prejudice
road
safety
or
significantly
inconvenience
of
flow
of
traffic.
Dfi
roads
was
consulted
specifically
to
provide
advice
on
the
nature
of
representations
received
on
the
grounds
of
road
safety
concerns,
and
they
have
confirmed
their
content
proposal
proposed
to
be
located
in
positions
where
they
will
not
interfere
with
forward
or
junction
visibility.
F
Seven
individual
representations
were
received
from
six
addresses,
and
a
petition
of
objection
was
also
received
with
50
signatures.
Consideration
of
all
the
issues
raised
is
set
out
in
detail
in
the
report
on
balance
officers
recommend
the
planning
permission
be
granted
subject
to
the
conditions
listed
I'll,
just
go
through
the
slides
again.
F
And
again,
you
can
see
just
where
it
is
within
the
general
area
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
this
site
actually
lies
outside
the
development
limits.
So
it
is
in
the
countryside
and
again,
the
red
line
denotes
the
location
of
the
where
the
proposed
flagpoles
are
going
and
again
a
site
layout
plan
to
give
you
an
indication
of
exactly
where
they
are
within
the
site.
F
E
Yeah
yeah
thanks
john
thanks
russian.
I
see
there
in
in
one
of
the
considerations
it
talks
about
this
application
does
not
consider
any
flags
or
advertisements
that
may
be
fixed
to
the
flagpoles
in
the
future,
and
it's
saying
that
these
were
subject
to
the
planning
of
advertisements
now
is.
Is
that
the
case?
E
Obviously
bran
has
obviously
said
in
the
committee
that
these
are
going
to
have
banners
and
color
and
and
things
so
does
that
mean
that
every
time
something
goes
up
there,
it's
going
to
be
the
planning
application,
or
is
there
a
a
period
of
time
something
up
and
come
down
and
replace
pay?
Something
else
I'm
just
I
just
I
can
see.
E
You
know
obviously
a
wee
bit
of
difficulty
there
with
the
purpose
of
these,
which
we
know
what
they're
for
and
and
if,
if,
if
that
is
going
to
be
it's
making,
if
you
make
planning
application
every
time
you
want
to
put
out
an
advert
up,
it's
going
to
be
a
very,
let's
be
honest.
I
think
the
event
will
be
over
before
the
approvals
through,
but
I
I
just
because
obviously
these
things
come
up
very
very
quickly,
but
you
just
tease
that
idea
of
russian.
E
F
You
yeah,
the
application,
obviously
is
for
the
structure
it's
for
the
flagpole,
which
we
treat
as
a
street
furniture.
Anything
that
goes
on
to
the
flagpole
is
an
advertisement,
so
it's
considered
under
the
advertising
regs
and
under
the
advertising
rights.
The
council
has
deemed
consent
for
something
that
you
know
it's
a
function
of
the
council.
Tourism
is
a
function
of
the
council
so
to
put
a
flag
on
it.
If
the
council
puts
a
flag
on
it,
that
is
voting
tourism,
which
is
a
function
of
the
council.
They
don't
it's
deemed
consent.
J
Thank
you,
chair
for
having
me
back
in
there
richie.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
report.
I
know
there
is
objections,
but
I
think
their
dad
was
fairly
comprehensively
in
the
report
and
but
what
I
would
ask
of
a
brand.
Maybe
this
is
from
tourism.
We've
got
50
objectors
here
and
I
think
mainly
from
lucas
village
and
I'd
like
to
think
would
consult
with
the
residents
in
relation
to
this
before
anything's
done
to
explain
them
exactly
what
these
are
about.
J
I
think
a
lot
of
them
were
just
informed
that
there
was
flagpoles
going
up
and
they
didn't
know
what
they
were
about
and,
as
you
see,
there's
been
a
petition
went
around
the
area
and
there's
also
an
elected
member
has
put
on
a
objection
as
well.
So
you
know
I
don't
want
the
council
getting
in
there
and
none
see
me
starting
with
residents
over
flagpoles
with
enough
education
flags
without
this
coming
up.
So
I
think
brian
consultation
is
going
to
be
the
key
here
before
these
go
up
and
to
ensure
that
residents
can
surgeries.