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B
I
believe
we
are
live
now.
I
think
my
computer
was
being
slow,
but
please
proceed.
D
Good
morning
everybody
I'm
chair,
barry
bialik
of
the
asheville,
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
june
third
june
3
2021
meeting.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings.
A
bit
differently.
We
are
striving.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
D
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
and
comment.
Live
by
phone
instructions
are
on
our
our
website,
but
the
plea
for,
if
you'd
like
to
dial
in
the
telephone
of
the
dial
in,
is
855-925-2801
and
use
meeting
code
7663
to
listen
in
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
I'll
do
a
roll
call.
D
D
We
do
have
new
members
if
each
of
us,
when
we
go
through
and
do
our
roll
call
and
say
we're
here
if
we
can
just
say
a
little
bit
about
ourselves
just
so
we
all
know
who
we
are
that'd,
be
great
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
everybody.
Please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you're,
not
speaking,
and
then,
if
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
you
can
unmute
it
or
raise
your
hand.
D
D
Okay
I'll
start
very
bialik
in
the
chair,
I'm
the
ceo
of
compact
cottages.
We
build
workforce
housing
in
town,
I'm
also
the
ceo
of
thirsty
monk.
We
employ
people
who
need
housing
next
I'll,
introduce
new
member
chris
day.
E
I've
got
a
wife,
three
kids
and
four
pets,
I'm
also
a
civil
engineer,
with
an
extensive
background
in
site
development
in
the
city
in
buncombe
county,
with
the
majority
of
that
work
actually
being
in
all
types
of
housing,
multi-family,
single
family
housing,
the
steps
required
for
the
design
and
approval
of
that
and
the
rising
cost
associated
with
that
work.
So
I
look
forward
to
working
with
this
group
and
appreciate
the
opportunity.
F
C
H
Hi
I'm
paul
heathman.
I
am
an
avp
at
home
trust
bank.
Also
a
mortgage
lender
have
a
real
estate
background,
a
long
time
north
ashvilian.
Thank
you.
D
Let's
see
what
I
got
it's
brian
brian
metzman,
I'm
a
strategic
consultant
professionally
and
then
have.
J
D
K
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
joe
eichelheimer.
I
am
a
kennel
worth
resident.
I've
been
on
this
committee,
for
I
think
five
years
now-
and
I
am
vice
president
of
compliance
for
the
national
center
for
housing
management,
I'm
also
on
the
board
of
directors
for
homework
bound
and
have
just
a
lot
of
interest
and
experience
and
heart
for
affordable
housing,
especially
here
in
asheville.
So
welcome
to
the
new
members.
D
L
Good
morning
I'm
brookie
woodard,
I'm
the
director
of
the
housing
choice,
voucher
program
at
the
asheville
housing
authority.
D
D
This
is
not
look
good,
so,
okay,
well
great.
Welcome
everybody.
Let's
see,
let's
follow
the
list
here,
but
first
thing:
first
thing
we'll
do
is
go
through
our
minutes
from
last
has
ever
has
everyone?
D
I
also
want
to
go
ahead
and
one
more
introduction
we
should
make.
We
also
have
councilwoman
mosley
is
in
she's
our
council
liaison
she's
here
today.
D
And
then
we
have,
I
think,
city
staff.
I
saw
paul
if
cynthia,
if
anyone
everyone
from
staff
who's
here
is
part
of
our
meetings,
if
you
can
also
just
just
introduce
yourselves
so
so
everyone,
everyone
in
the
new
members
know
who
you
are
and
what
your
role
is.
That
would
be
great.
N
Sheriff
thanks
barry
good
morning,
everybody
paul
d'angelo,
with
the
city's
community
and
economic
development
department,
mostly
community
development,
and
we've
got
a
couple.
Other
staff
members
I
can
introduce
on
the
line.
I
believe
christina
harris
is
here
as
well
as
angelica
driver
two
great
team
members
who
make
all
of
this
happen.
So
a
special
thank
you
to
them.
O
I'm
laura
near
I've
been
here
about
a
month
and
a
half,
but
I'm
working
the
community
development
department
and
I'm
the
new
cdbg
cv
admin.
So
I'm
working
a
lot
with
the
kovid
19
funds.
D
Okay,
great
thanks
all
right
we're
going
to
move
on
with
our
agenda
one
thing:
just
since
there
are
new
members
and
one
of
the
things
there's
a
lot
of
acronyms
that
we
we
talk
in,
and
so
we
always
want
to.
We
want
to
try
to
be
even
more
careful
than
usual
to
explain
what
some
of
our
acronyms
are.
I
still
get.
I
still
get
lost
in
them
myself
and
I
think
we've
had
some
cheat
sheets
in
the
past
and
we
probably
should,
with
our
new
members,
try
to
go
through
that.
D
But
if,
but
if
there's
terms
or
acronyms
we're
talking-
and
you
don't
understand,
raise
your
hand
just
so
we
can
help
clarify
them
and
we'll
do
our
best.
Like
I
said
I
sometimes
don't
even
know
them
all
myself,
but
but
there's
people
here
who
do
know
what
everyone
they
all
meet.
So
thanks
we'll
go
to
start
with
our
community
development
updates
which
look
like
they
were
from
the
I
think
the
last
hcd
meeting.
N
Yeah
good
morning,
everybody
again
paul
d'angelo
with
community
development,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
any
of
our
updates
that
we
put
out
regarding
our
regular
community
development
updates,
the
covid
related
updates
and
the
homeless
related
updates,
three
separate
documents
and
just
an
fyi
I
think
at
the
bottom
of
all
of
them,
but
definitely
under
the
community
development
updates.
We
do
have
an
acronym
cheat
sheet
there
to
help
out
a
little
bit,
so
hopefully
that'll
guide
everybody
and
barry
just
so.
You
know
we
are
working
on.
N
We
did
a
welcome
letter
that
worked
out
really
well
with
the
asheville
regional
housing
consortium
christine
and
I
are
working
on
putting
something
together
similar
for
the
a
hack
membership,
so
a
special
welcome
to
chris
day
brandy,
woodard,
and
we
can
reach
out
to
zakiyah
bell
rogers
to
see
about
attending
this
meeting.
So
welcome
to
the
new
members
and
we'll
try
to
get
a
special
welcome
letter
to
y'all
shortly.
D
Great
now
I
had
a
couple
couple:
questions
is,
let's
see
on
the
dpa
is
that
is
it
on?
Where
are
we
at
with?
That?
Is
that
moving.
N
So
that
is
moving
forward,
we're
trying
to
we're
putting
that
out
to
rfp.
I
think
in
last
month's
update
we
kind
of
gave
ourselves
to
the
middle
of
june
to
get
that
back
up
and
back
out
on
the
street,
so
that
should
be
happening
in
the
next
two
weeks.
Okay,
there'll
be
a
new
rfp.
D
319
built
biltmore
is
any
any
any
new
news
on
that.
One.
N
We
are
the
homes
urban
has
been
selected
as
the
partner
there,
but
we
are
bringing
an
update
about
319
biltmore,
just
of
where
we
are
to
the
housing
community
development
meeting
hcd
on
tuesday
june
15th
at
10
a.m.
So
we'll
have
an
update
on
where
we
are
in
that
process.
Okay,.
D
Cool,
let's
see
the
is
anything
that
we
talked
last
meeting
about.
Restaurant
court
is
anything
new
happen
with
that.
N
We
met
with
a
representative
of
of
kirk
boos
with
several
different
department
heads
and
had
a
good
conversation
about
pathways
forward.
We
are
anticipating
them
coming
back
at
some
time
soon,
with
either
an
additional
loan
request
for
restaurant
court,
as
well
as
some
garage
conversions.
D
Okay
point
view.
N
Fine
view
is
going
is
coming
back
and
to
hcd
in
june.
I
believe
they're
going
to
attempt
to
pivot
away
from
the
condominiums
to
another
development
that
can
make
more
fiscal
sense.
N
As
you
all
know,
there
has
been
huge
challenges
in
the
market
regarding
the
construction
of
housing
from
multifamily
to
single
family,
so
they
are
struggling
to
make
numbers
work
and
they
have
a
idea
to
pivot
away
from
the
12
condominiums
to
a
larger
development
of
about
40
units,
so
they're
going
to
bring
that
to
hcd
on
june
15th
housing,
community
development
committee,
okay,.
D
N
I'm
like
a
broken
record
this
morning,
barry
sorry
to
hcd.
It's
all
about
councilwoman.
M
N
Hct
on
june
15th
we'll
get
an
update
on
those
single
family
lots
as
well,
and
usually
what
happens
there.
Barry
is
the
week
before,
which
is
next
week,
we're
prepping
for
all
that.
So
don't
have
super
up-to-date
information,
but
next
week
we'll
be
prepping
all
those
documents
for
those
various
projects,
you're
asking
for
and
present
them
at
hcd.
We
encourage
everybody
to
attend
those
meetings
and,
of
course,
we'll
bring
updates
further
updates
back
in
july
or
august
whenever
our
next
meeting
is
okay,.
D
I
think
our
in
our
last
meeting,
we
discussed
because
a
lot
of
these
projects
that
some
of
them
went
to
hcd
before
coming
through
us
some
we
had
someone
put
on,
but
someone
was
later-
and
I
know
we
had
talked
about-
maybe
some
of
this
stuff
kind
of
floating
through
us,
so
we
can
help
vet
vet
it
and
discuss
it
beforehand.
Was
there
any
disgusting
discussion
about
that
at
hcd,
so.
N
What
our
plan
to
do
there
is,
if
I
understood
the
meeting
last
month
correctly,
is
that
any
new
housing
trust
fund
loan
requests
come
through
hcd,
so
we
will
any
new
ones
we
will
bring
through
to
you.
I
don't
think
I
have
any
new
housing
trust
fund
requests
at
the
moment,
but
those
are
the
ones
that
we
will
bring
towards
you
or
bring
through
this
committee
to
help
vet
projects.
D
N
Sure
I
can
check
with
the
developer
of
both
restaurant
court
as
well
as
pineview,
if
they
would
prefer
not
to
come
in
june,
come
back
to
you
in
july
or
august
and
then
proceed
to
hcd
with
the
that's
where,
with
the
older
projects,
I
don't
want
to
hold
up
any
development
there,
but
I
can
always
make
that
request.
That
y'all
would
like
to
see
that
before
going
to
hcd
and
get
their
feedback
again,
we
are
committed
to
bringing
any
new
housing
trust
fund
loan
request.
Your
committee.
D
D
Anyone
any
other
community
members
have
questions
on
updates
or
thoughts
on
the
these
up.
These
updated
how
you
know
housing
trust
fund
requests
running
through
us
before
hcd.
E
N
Thanks
and
again
welcome
chris,
so
the
luigi
policy
update
went
through
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
This
committee,
I
believe
in
may-
and
we
took
that-
was
approved.
We
took
that
to
hcd
housing
and
community
development
committee
mid-may,
and
that
was
approved.
So
we
are
on
council
agenda
for
june
22nd
and
it's
pretty
much
flowing
through
exactly
the
way
it
was
passed.
N
We
have
massaged
a
little
bit
of
the
policy
regarding
the
outreach
for
not
only
the
neighbors
immediately
around
the
multi-family
building
or
the
construction
or
the
housing,
but
also
for
equity
and
inclusion.
So
we
have
a
good
list
there,
which
we're
really
excited
to
share
with
council
on
june
22nd.
N
Great
and
barry,
I
believe,
our
new,
our
new
member,
just
joined
the
meeting
yeah.
D
Hi
zakiyah
we
see
just
joined,
can
you
just
say
a
quick
hello
and
give
a
little
bit
of
an
introduction
about
yourself.
P
I've
lived
in
asheville
for
26
years,
and
I
I
love
this
city
that
I
I
am
a
part
of,
but
sometimes
it
makes
me
angry.
D
Okay,
any
other
questions
from
committee
members
about
the
about
our
updates
community
development
updates.
D
Okay,
anything
specific
on
the
other
updates
to
cdbg
and
the
cd
homeless.
Anything
you
want
to
share,
in
particular,
paul.
N
Nothing
at
this
point
in
particular
just
as
a
reminder:
the
the
city,
the
cdbg
covid,
updates,
have
a
lot
of
resources
there
for
individuals
and
families
that
may
be
struggling
with
rental
assistance.
So
please
take
a
look
at
that.
It's
it's
a
lot
of
information.
I
think
you'll
know
we
try
to
keep
these
updates
and
our
policies
to
six
to
eight
pages
in
hopes
that
folks
will
read
them.
N
If
anyone
has
a
better
idea
on
how
to
present
that
information,
it's
just
a
lot
of
information
on
rental
assistance,
with
a
lot
of
funding
out
there.
So
I
do
hope
that
people
take
advantage
of
that
guide
as
well
as
share
it.
There's
also
really
important
links
and
helpful
information
at
the
bottom
of
all
of
our
updates,
and
so
please
keep
those
in
mind.
D
Great
thanks,
you
know
one
thing
I
just
don't
from
covet
related
rental
assistance.
I
just
want
to
share
something
I
hadn't
thought
about,
but
I've
just
been
hearing
more
recently
with
the
eviction
moratorium's,
ending
that
a
lot
of
the
rent.
That
was
not
like
that
people
who
were
not
able
to
pay
during
covid
and
now
that
so
it
wasn't
that
the
rent
wasn't
due
some
of
it
was
just
deferred.
So
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
stress
from
folks
that
now,
basically
some
of
the
apartment
complexes
and
developments
have
have.
D
Basically,
you
know
almost
a
debt
on
folks
and
they're
having
to
pay
back
the
past
rents.
So
it
wasn't
necessarily,
you
know,
wasn't
eliminated.
It
was
just
deferred.
Have
you
heard
anything
about
that
or
any
discussion?
Or
is
there
any
kind
of
funding
mechanisms
to
help?
Folks
with
that.
N
We've
heard
a
little
bit
of
that,
and
I
probably
you
know
all
of
you-
experts
are
better
at
this,
and
even
us
maybe,
but
you
know,
a
lot
of
the
data
has
been
difficult
to
shake
out
because
of
the
fact
of
the
eviction
moratorium.
Are
people
really
about
to
get
evicted?
Are
they
paying?
Are
they
not?
Some
people
have
just
been
not
paying
in
anticipation
that
you
know
they
can
make
it
up
later.
The
data
is
really
difficult
to
figure
out,
because
that
eviction
moratorium,
which
I
believe
ends
on
june
30th.
N
That
said
that
funding
that
came
through
to
the
county
from
the
u.s
treasury.
I
don't
want
to
speak
that
I
believe,
is
being
handled
by
their
department
of
health
and
human
services.
That
was
about
eight
million
dollars
in
rental
assistance
and
if
I
have
been
hearing
correctly,
there's
still
a
majority
of
that
funding
available
to
assist
individuals
and
families
that
may
be
behind
on
their
rent,
our
covet
dollars.
The
cdbg
community
development
block
grant
cv
covid
dollars.
N
You
know
those
are
hud
dollars.
Those
are
kind
of
come
with
hud
restrictions,
but
the
funding
that
went
to
the
county
from
the
u.s
treasury
has,
I
believe,
less
restrictions
on
it
and
it's
a
little
bit
easier
to
access.
So
I
would
definitely
guide
people
to
our
cepc
probit
updates,
which
talks
about
that
county
funding,
and
I
really
we
did
have
meet
with
an
apartment
complex
last
week
and
we
shared
that
resource
with
them
because
they
had
mentioned
something
similar
that
you
had
mentioned.
N
Barry
and
laura
is
on
the
call-
and
she
just
recently
started
the
last
four
to
six
weeks,
but
we've
challenged
her
to
be
our
cdbg
covid
expert
with
those
funding
which
is
very
difficult
because
golly
day
regs
and
compliance
and
updates
seem
to
come
out
weekly
laura.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
briefly
this
morning.
O
Yeah,
I
do
so.
I
know
the
moratorium
is
ending.
You
know
july
1st
june
30th,
but
I
did
want
to
say
we
do
have
with
the
money
I've
been
working
with
through
pisco,
legal
and
homeward
bound.
We
do
pay
for
arrears,
so
you
know
if
somebody
had
missed
a
payment
two
months
ago.
We
are,
we
are
allowed
to
go
back
and
make
those
payments,
and
we
have
found
out
that
there
is
a
six
month.
O
You
can
pay
up
to
six
months
of
rent,
but
we
think
now
the
new
hud
regulations
are
saying
that
one
arrear
payment
is
not
the
equivalent
to
one
month
of
rent
payment.
We
think
we
got
to
double
check
that
you
can
do
three
arrear
payments
and
it
will
equal
one
month
of
payments.
O
So
hypothetically
you
could
do
you
know
over
six
months
of
payments,
if
you're
counting
the
arrears
in
that,
but
I
do
have
to
double
check
on
that.
You
know
the
hud
regulations
are
always
changing,
so
it's
a
little
difficult
to
keep
up
with
it,
but
arrear
payments
are
something
we've
been
working
with
and
they
are
being
used,
especially
by
pisco,
legal,
okay,.
N
Laura
I
appreciate
that
and
kudos
to
her
bear
if
you
don't
mind,
because
literally
we're
getting
new
guidance,
it
seems
or
clarification
weekly.
It's
been
hard
to
follow
like
a
lot
of
this
funding,
we're
doing
our
best
any
ideas
or
suggestions.
Please
share
them
with
us.
We're
happy
to
adjust.
D
Well,
I
wonder
if
that's
so
I
assume
you
like,
with
some
of
the
apartment
complexes
that
you,
maybe
you
all
are
in
discussion
with,
so
that
they
have
a
resource
the
to
send
folks
to
I
I
think
it's
gonna.
I
think
it's
gonna
start
to
pop
a
lot
more
at
the
end
of
this
month,
because
I'm
starting
to
hear
I'm
starting
to
hear
more
and
more
about
it
from
people
in
the
community
do.
D
L
So
we
work
a
little
bit
differently,
because
when
someone's
income
changes,
we
make
an
adjustment
to
so
that
we're
covering
more
more
abortion.
I
do
think
that
they
are
working
with
those
additional
funds
for
people
who
have
gotten
in
a
rear
edge
and
have
so
that
they're
applying
for
those
funds
as
well
to
cover
those
but,
like
I
said,
for
the
majority
of
our
folks,
you
know
when
they
report
any
type
of
job
loss
or
or
you
know,
reduction
hours.
O
Okay,
I
will
also
say
just
last
thing
for
this,
especially
with
the
housing
authority,
because
of
hud's
regulations,
we're
pretty
sure
that
duplication
of
benefits
were
not
allowed
to
specifically
give
out
these
payments
for
people
in
public
housing,
so
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
because
it
counts
as
a
duplication
of
benefits
and
that's
one
of
their
strictest
policies.
Right
code,
money.
K
Yeah
barry,
let
me
jump
in
for
a
second,
usually
at
affordable
sites
when
you
run
into
a
situation
like
this,
although
this
of
course
is
unique
to
anything
that
any
of
us
have
have
ever
experienced,
the
the
tenants
will
be
placed
under
repayment
agreement
and
there
are
regulations
around.
You
know
how
much
of
their
income
like
like
brandy
was
saying.
You
know
the
the
tenant
rent
that
they
pay
and
the
the
subsidy
that's
paid
on
their
behalf
is
directly
related
to
their
individual
family
income.
K
So
when
they
go
under
repayment
agreement,
it's
still
held
to
an
affordable
standard
which
it
can.
You
know
it
can
only
be
a
certain
increase
to
the
amount
that
they
pay
over
time,
regardless
of
how
much
they
still
owe.
So,
I'm
sure
that
that
is
being
factored
in
or
will
be
factored
into
this
as
well.
D
Okay,
are
there
for
the
rent
on
this
rental?
I
guess
assistance
for
rear's
assistance
is
there?
Is
the
the
programs
tied
to
any
kind
of
maximum
amis
like
who
is?
Who
is
this
available
for,
like
because
I
mean
again
for
individuals,
I'm
also
hearing
this
from
like
small
landlords,
that
you
know
they've
had
tenants
who,
basically,
that
the
tenants
maybe
haven't
like
someone
owns?
Maybe
a
four
plex
and
they've
got
tenants
who
haven't
paid
in
in
a
while
and
it
it's
obviously
hurting
them.
D
O
Yeah,
I'm
not,
I
would
have
to
check
and
maybe
send
that
information
to
paul,
but
we
do
have
a
percentage
that
they
have
to
meet.
Ami
wise,
I
want
to
say
it's
50,
but
don't
quote
me
on
that.
I
have
to
go
back
and
double
check,
but
pisca
legal
has
been
probably
the
most
they're
really
good
with
this
policy
and
carrying
it
out.
So
if
you
want
to,
they
have
to
be
taken
in
by
pisco
legal
as
a
client.
O
Q
A
O
That's
a
really
good
for
people
who
aren't
able
to
pay
their
rent
right
now,
and
we
are
working
on
round
three
contract
right
now,
because
the
moratorium's
ending
you
know
june
30th
we're
trying
to
push
this
through
as
fast
as
we
can-
and
I
know
because
the
whole
working
with
pisca
is
to
keep
people
from
being
evicted,
we're
working
with
people
that
are
more
likely
to
stay
in
the
housing.
O
If
the
money
is
going
to
help
them
stay
in
there
versus
you
know
somebody
who's
going
to
be
homeless,
no
matter
how
much
of
this
money
they're
getting
to
keep
them
from
being
evicted.
I
don't
it's
hard
to
word,
but
I
can
send
the
policy
over
to
paul
and
he
can
send
it
to
you
possibly
and
then
I'll
get
back
to
you
guys
on
the
ami
percentage,
because
I'm
not
positive
on
what
it
is
right
now.
N
Great
appreciate
that
laura
and
a
reminder
that
you
know
we
tried
to
be
clear
in
the
cdbg
covet
updates
that
are
there,
as
well
as
all
the
other
resources.
So
it
is
definitely
work
worth
a
look
on
this
because
it's
a
good
point
barry
that
june
30th
is
around
the
corner,
and
if
I
may,
if
it's
helpful
to
the
group,
I
can
share
two
minutes.
N
A
personal
story
which
is
in
my,
I
came
from
wilmington
north
carolina
and
we
ran
our
unit
out
down
there
as
an
affordable
unit
and
our
tenant
was
in
the
type
of
construction
where
he
was
out
of
work
for
several
months.
He
struggled
with
utilizing
the
first
round
of
the
cb
dollars
the
kovid
cdbg
dollars.
N
It
went
like
that
and
the
state
money
went
like
that,
but
this
last
round
of
funding
that
went
to
the
county
new
hanover
county,
we
were
able
to
write
a
letter
and
it
worked
very
well
that
they
were
able
to
catch
up
on
careers
and
because
of
the
money
in
that
that
system
that
I
don't
think,
is
being
utilized.
N
The
the
county
paid
three
months
in
advance
as
a
courtesy
to
the
tenant,
so
working
in
coordination
with
your
tenant
is
very
helpful
and
they
were
very
easy
to
work
with
at
the
department
of
health
and
human
services
down
in
wilmington
and
so
happy
to
report.
For
my
own
sake
for
our
client,
our
affordable
housing
tenant
that
they
are
now
caught
up
and
actually
their
their
rent
was
paid
through
the
summer.
D
N
Probably
because
of
the
world
that
we
live
in,
that
we're
aware
of
more
resources,
but
I
you
do
have
to
write
a
letter
about
somebody
being
behind
on
rent
and
in
arrears
and
they
called
me
the
same
day.
That's
great.
N
And
and
a
lot
of
other
thing
that
hasn't
fleshed
out
in
the
data,
yet
is
small
landlords,
you
know
like
you
were
talking
about
and
how
they're
affected
and
trying
to
struggle
through
the
systems.
So
again,
if
our
resources
can
be
helpful,
my
email,
laura's
email,
we're
happy
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
help
navigate.
O
All
right,
one
last
thing:
I
just
looked
it
up
into
the
contract:
it's
80
at
or
below
80
ami,
with
priority
given
to
people
at
50
or
below.
Okay,.
D
D
The
list
I
think
I
prepared
had
five
houses
on
it
and
most
of
them
were
in
need
of
rehab,
and
you
know,
there's
there's
some
condos.
I
don't
have
in
front
of
me,
but
I
think
was
another
four
or
five
and
then
y'all
lost
lots
of
closings
and
under
contracts,
but
yeah
the
available
homes,
less
than
275
thousand
dollars
was
really
bad.
D
You
know,
obviously,
since
it's
the
lifts
we've
been
preparing
for
several
years
and
I've
never
seen
it
like
that,
and
I
don't
really
know
much
in
the
way
of
new
housing
stock,
at
least
in
the
for
sale
available.
You
know
homes
coming
coming
online.
Does
it
give
us
any
any
thoughts
on
our
list
comments?
Anyone
have
any
houses
less
than
275
000
they'd
like
to
list.
P
I
can
say
that
the
list
really
made-
I
wasn't
surprised,
but
it
really
made
me
sad
yeah.
I
bought
my
house
in
2007
for
173
000
and
it
was
appraised
for
over
almost
twice
that
and-
and
I
still
need
work
done
on
my
house-
and
I
I
think
about
now.
P
If
I
was
a
young
woman,
black
woman,
trying
to
buy
a
house
like
I
was
when
I
was
28
trying
to
buy
my
home,
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
live
in
asheville,
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
live
and
work
live
where
I
work
so
yeah.
The
list
was
very
sad
and
disheartening
about
it
that
we
call
home
yep.
P
J
Well,
this
doesn't
really
get
to
the
fact.
This
doesn't
make
this
list
any
less
depressing,
but
I
noticed
that
the
hud
qualified
sales
price
for
or
the
home
for
the
home
program
for
buncombe
county
increased
to
279,
I
think
up
from
256
last
year,
so
this
is
an
annual
amount.
J
That
is
the
maximum
limit
that
would
qualify
as
an
affordable
sale
through
the
through
hud's
home
program,
and
so
I
you
know,
we
have
always
our
that
275
number
that
we've
used
to
create
this
this
before
was
something
greater
than
the
home
qualified
sales
price.
I
don't
know
if,
based
on
that,
we
want
to
continue
to.
You
know,
follow
stay
with
275
as
the
the
number
that
we
use
for
the
filter
or
increase
it
to
match
the
home
qualified
sales
price.
J
Again,
I
feel
like
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
slippery
slope,
to
keep
moving
the
number
up.
When
you
know
it's
just
pushing
things
further
and
further
out
of
reach.
We
know
that
you
know
the
the
incomes
for
most
of
our
neighbors
haven't
increased
at
the
same.
You
know
pace
of
that,
but
that's
that
that
might
be
one
way
to
at
least
bring
in
a
different
a
different
slice
of
this
is
you
know
to
follow
that
unqualified
sales
price.
D
No,
that
makes
sense.
That's
it
this
yeah.
If
we're
gonna,
have
our
list
based
on
any
kind
of
guideline,
then
that
would
that
would
make
sense.
So
everyone
is
everyone,
okay
with
which
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it'll
make
much
of
a
difference,
but
you
never
know
is
everyone?
Okay,
if
we
start
moving
forward
adjusting
that
to
279?
If
that's
you
saying
279
is
the
new
odd
number.
J
That's
right,
barry!
It's
that's
the
new
maximum
allowable
sales
price
for
a.
H
I
could
add
this
this
paul
heathman.
I
could
add
just
that
the
organizations
that
do
down
payment
assistance-
some
of
these
other
organizations-
are
also
increasing
limits
for
income
eligibility.
So
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
we
can
open
that
up
a
little
bit
yeah.
N
I
I
it's
paul
here
from
community
development
city.
I
I
would
just
caution
that
you
know
it
is
the
home
limit
and
I
hear
where
andy
is
coming
from,
but
the
general
idea
of
that
home
price
was
to
kind
of
come
up
with
a
price
that
that
was,
we
could
work
with
an
individual
or
family
at
or
below
80
or
100
percent
ami.
N
I
think
it's
definitely
worth
noting
that
home
price,
but-
and
maybe
we
could
go
up
to
280
or
something
easy
like
that,
but
just
I
don't
want
to
tie
it
to
any
specific
program.
If
that's
okay,
just
looking
at
overall
incomes,
would
be
my
suggestion,
but
of
course
barry
and
andy.
Whatever
y'all
choose
is
great.
Okay,.
D
Yeah,
my
experience
has
been
whenever
we've,
whenever
we
at
least
have
sold
houses
in
that
250
270
range,
they
usually
have
of
that
purchase
price,
maybe
between
two
and
six
thousand
is
in,
is
in
almost
like
seller
assistance
back
anyway
that
so
so
I
think
it
at
least,
if
nothing
else
that
extra
little
bit
might
be
is,
is
a
like.
A
closing
cost
can
go
back
to
the
buyer.
E
D
E
Yeah,
I
was
just
the
the
tracking
of
these
numbers.
I
I
mean
I
found
it
really
interesting
to
look
at
them.
Is
it
just
kind
of
a
gauge
in
what
we
use
to
to
see
trends,
or
is
there
something
else
we're
doing
with
that?
That
number.
D
We're
basically
using
it
to
measure
what
stock
there
is.
You
know
the
the
kind
of
I'd
say:
the
affordable
home
ownership
has
been
one
of
the
most
elusive
components
of
what
we,
as
a
committee
can
do.
You
know
it's
like
there's,
there's
apartment
complexes
that
are
being
worked
on
and
there's
rent.
You
know,
there's
units
of
projects,
you
know
rental
products
that
get
set
aside,
but
the
home
ownership
component
has
been
very
difficult
and
we're
really
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
incentivize.
D
You
know
what
incentives
there
can
be
or
how
to
create
more
stock,
but
but
really
it's
a
good.
It's
a
good
base
measure
of
how
little
stock
there
is
right
and
then
to
kind
of
look
at
who
are
the
who
are
the
developers
that
can
maybe
focus
on
that
andy.
How
do
you
like?
Do
you
like
available
habitat
homes?
D
J
So
we
have
buyers
for
all
of
our
homes
before
we
begin
construction.
It's
just
part
of
the
way
we
I
say
always
99
of
the
time
periodically.
We
have
homes
that
that
do
come
up
for
sale
and
you'd,
see
those
on
this
list.
We've
seen
them
periodically.
J
There's
been,
you
know,
there's
been
one
of
our
homes
that
comes
back
on
the
market
and
they
usually
hit
at
this
price
point
and
show
up
here
more
and
more
with
the
you
know,
with
the
rising
cost
of
land
and
rising
cost
of
lumber,
it
makes
more
sense
for
us
to
exercise
that
right
of
first
purchase
and
and
buy
those
homes
back
and
resell
them
within
our
within
our
pool
of
buyers.
D
D
J
J
We
that's
the
sales
price
and
then
we
split
that
into
two
different
mortgages,
so
a
payable
first
mortgage
and
a
deferred
payment
second
mortgage
and
then
take
out
whatever
you
know,
down
payment
assistance
or
other
public
sector
subsidy
that
that
goes
on
the
house
to
bring
the
first
mortgage
loan
down
to
something
that
is
30
of
the
buyers:
income,
okay,.
D
D
I
can
get
an
update
list,
but
I
can't
recall
any
projects
that
they've
had
most
of
their
home
ownership
projects
have
had
to
be
outside.
You
know
in
the
county.
Does
anyone
know
even
yeah?
I
can't
think
of
any
products
in
the
city.
N
And
very,
usually,
and
and
just
quickly
grateful
for
our
partnership
with
andy
and
habitat,
and
you
know
scott
and
mho.
Unfortunately,
I
think
at
best
due
to
the
numbers
right
now,
mho
can
only
do
about
five
down
payment
assistance,
loans
within
the
city
each
year
give
or
take
because
of
the
high
cost.
N
So
this
is
a
real
problem
and
a
real
worry
and
watching
these
numbers
dwindle
without
a
solution
in
sight
and
as
I've
said
at
last
month's
meeting,
I
feel
a
little
bit
out
of
tricks
here
and
I'm
not
sure
what
to
do
with
it
again
grateful
for
habitat
and
mho
for
all
that
they
do,
but
but
it's
we're
pushing
a
generation
of
individuals
and
families
into
rental
and
out
of
the
opportunities
of
wealth
building
in
home
ownership.
H
Chris,
you
asked
you
asked
why
we
keep
that
list.
I
think
it's
that
list
more
than
anything's
a
call
to
action
for
us,
not
that
we
have
a
solution,
but
we've
watched
that
number
go
down
down
down
and
we
know
that
sellers
are
preferring
cash
buyers
from
buying
sight
unseen
from
out
of
town
and
there
and
those
people
are
preferring
the
prices
in
our
affordable
range
as
second
homes.
So
yeah
we're
we're
in
a
pickle
and
and
that's
kind
of
our
metric
as
to
how
how
we're
doing.
D
It
was
also
it
was
also
helpful
to,
as,
as
we
were,
going
through
the
down
payment
assistance
program
to
know
what
the
gap
is
needed.
You
know
to
know
that,
because,
if
there's
a
significant
down
payment
assistance
gap,
that's
needed,
but
it's
almost
like,
if
the
if
the
inventory
doesn't
exist,
it
doesn't
matter
what
that
what
that
amount
is
you
know
it's
like
we,
the
subsidy
could
be
up
to
90
000
and
it
still
may
not
put
a
home
in
reach.
So
I
think
that
was
kind
of
the
target
of
up
to
275.
D
Maybe
280
is
where
maybe
a
down
payment
assistance
loan
could
help
someone
at
an
80
or
less
am
I
get
into
a
home
and
if
the
stock
isn't
there,
then
the
question
really
is.
What
is
that?
What
is
the
true
amount
of
down
payment?
Assistance
needs
to
be
so
it
did.
It
helped
with
us
measure
that
gap
as
well.
C
One
thing
is
I
like
the
list
of
the
275
and
under.
I
think
it
is
super
important
to
see
that,
but
there
are
those
lower
I've
seen
houses
like
in
my
house
hunt
over
the
last
year
at
145
250,
so
I'm
like.
Oh,
I
found
the
steel
in
the
city,
but
it's
those
fists
or
upper
houses
that
aren't
you
can't
finance,
because
financial
institutions
are
not
financing
houses
that
need
repair.
C
They
have
to
be
ready
to
move,
and
so
I
like
this
this
because
most
of
the
houses
that
I
actually
looked
at
some
houses
that
was
on
this
list
last
year
for
my
own
home
purchase
and
they
are
move-in
ready,
like
financial
houses,
and
so
is
that
thing
that's
happening
as
well
in
the
city
is
those
houses
that
are
affordable
are
not
financing,
if
that,
if
that
makes
sense.
H
Yeah,
you
wanna
that
you
make
an
excellent
point
there,
that
we
there's
a
product
gap
in
in
rehab
housing.
You
know,
lending
in
the
the
usda
offers
a
hundred
percent
financing
rehab
loan,
but
that's
not
going
to
be
in
our
city.
D
Okay,
cool
well
yeah
I'll,
be
curious.
How
big
I
mean
I
know
the
the
land
land
trust
is.
Has
it
will
have
a
few
coming
on
soon,
so
you'll
be
curious.
How
new
stock
comes
on
I
mean
there
is.
There
is
a
little
bit
of
stock,
I
mean,
but
it
it
just
goes
fast,
and
I
think
that
it's
there's
not
you
know,
there's
a
lack
of
developers
that
can
do
the
scale
that's
needed
to
get
housing
down
at
that.
D
I
think
there's
a
few
more
comments.
Then
we
can
move
on
scott.
F
F
Interestingly,
the
north
carolina
league
of
municipalities
opposed
it,
and
the
north
carolina
american
planning
association
chapter
took
a
fairly
cool.
What
I'll
say
was
middle
of
the
road
approach
to
it.
Several
cities
and
counties
across
the
state
issued
letters
and
resolutions
in
opposition
to
it.
F
F
In
a
nutshell,
the
opposition
to
it
was
an
argument
over
loss
of
local
control,
and
there
was
also
significant
confusion
on
the
bill
being
portrayed
as
eliminating
single-family
detached
zoning.
That
was
not
the
proposition
at
all.
It's
basically
a
proposition
to
allow
just
more
market
driven
choice.
You
go
to
the
grocery
store,
you're.
Looking
for
mayonnaise,
you
got
at
least
15
choices
in
the
housing
market,
there's
maybe
two
or
three.
So
I
can
share
this
around
and
this
this
may
also
come
up.
F
I
may
also
bring
this
up
in
our
discussion
on
potential
udo,
tweaks
and
reforms
later
in
our
discussion,
but
I
think
this
would
be
an
important
thing
for
the
group
to
look
at
and
also
like.
I
said
it's
dead
or
lying
in
wait
for
now,
but
I
I
think
it
will
come
back
in
some
form
and
this
is
not
unprecedented.
F
Across
the
united
states,
the
state
of
oregon
had
a
similar
bill
that
did
pass
city
of
minneapolis
famously
recently
made
single
family
detached
zoning,
not
an
only
choice
through
their
comprehensive
plan
and
they're
working
on
it
for
their
zoning.
So
long
story,
short
planning.
Zoning
puts
most
people
to
sleep,
but
it's
one
of
the
most
substantial
things
you
can
change
that
will
actually
affect
what
gets
built.
D
Happy
to
say
it
is
my
understanding,
apart
from
our
committee,
influence
that
the
city
of
asheville
did
not
sign
on
in
protest,
which
was
which
was
a
big
step
for
our
city,
to
not
do
that,
and
it
was
actually
surprising
to
someone,
but
it
was
great
that
you
know
at
least
we
we
as
a
city
recognize
that
some
of
this
could
have
benefited.
So
we
didn't
sign
on
to
oppose
this.
That's
my
understanding
and
yeah,
and
there
are
you
know
from
some
of
my
conversations
with
people
within
the
city.
D
I've
had
someone
within
the
city
tell
me
that
they
look
at
single
family
zoning
as
a
form
of
redlining,
and
so
I'm
glad
that
there
is
a
progressive
way
of
thinking
within
our
city
that
you
know
maybe
can
affect
some
change,
but
we'll
see
where
that
we'll
see
where
this
goes.
I've
followed
that
bill
I've
had
a
conversation
with
senator
edwards
about
it.
I
think
andy.
You
still
have
your
hand
up.
N
Barry
paul
here
just
to
wrap
this
up
a
bit
and
we'll
move
on
in
the
agenda.
If
anyone
has
any
creative
thoughts
around
certain
things
like
we've
talked
about
this
before,
is
there
a
way
to
stop
the
cash
buyers?
Is
there
a
way
to
legally?
Of
course,
so
you
know,
california
puts
a
wait
list
before
you
can
actually
sell
a
building
that
it's
given
an
opportunity,
any
kind
of
creative
thinking.
N
I
know
it's
probably
big
thinking
with
laws,
but
we
really
to
try
to
do
something
there
and
on
a
positive
note,
we've
recommended
some
type
of
homeownership
forum
for
this
group
and
matt
allen
is
joining
us
from
lotzar
today
to
talk
later
in
the
in
the
agenda
about
a
potential
partnership
for
some
type
of
like
forum,
so
we'll
get
to
that,
but
just
to
try
to
think
solutions
there,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
babs
for
providing
us
the
list
of
the
overall
prices
too,
which
continues
to
inch
up
of
the
overall
sales.
N
So
thanks
barry
great.
F
D
Cool
great
all
right
any
other
comments
on
this.
We
moving
on
clear.
So
we
go
to
unfinished
business,
so
our
task
forces
so
for
new
members
and
old
members.
Here's
what
so.
What
we're
doing
is
creating
two
we're
calling
them
task
forces
and
we're
focusing
basically
based
on
our
committee
member
specialties
and
interests.
D
We
took
two
approaches:
one's
gonna
be
called
connect,
which
is
basically
how
to
kind
of
connect
with
the
community
a
little
bit
better
for
actually
finding
out
exactly
what
the
needs
are
and
find
out
who
those
are
in
need
and
what
how
we
can
assist
and
some
of
the
research
is
needed
for
that
and
then
build,
which
is
really
kind
of
a
guidance
and
looking
at
like
what
are
the
roadblocks
for
building
and
developing
affordable
housing
in
the
in
the
city
and
how
we
can
advise
if
those
task
forces
task
forces
allow
our
committee
members
to
meet
outside
of
a
normal
meeting
time
and
to
expand
the
task
force
to
include
community
members
that
are
not
on
our
committee.
D
So
I
reached
out
to
like
the
from
the
build
committee,
the
a
the
the
hba,
the
homebuilders
association
about
builders
that
are
interested
in
affordable
housing
for
getting
them
to
to
join
so
well.
I
think
this
month
we
probably
could
set
up
and
look
at
meeting
the
one
thing
that
I
you
know
so
I
clarified
with,
I
think
she's
assistant
deputy
city
clerk,
jerry
goldberg,
just
to
understand,
because
we
can't
create
there's
certain.
D
D
So
that
means
when
we
occur
with
and
we've
got
our
members
who've
indicated
which
committees
they
would
like
to
join.
But
what
we
just
have
to
be
careful
is
that
balance
is
in
place.
So
we
may
need
someone
to
basically
sit
out
and
not
be
on
the
committee,
so
we
actually
don't
have
a
quorum
on
any
of
these
committees,
but
that'll.
Allow
us
then,
to
meet
and
kind
of
discuss
specific
tasks
that
then
we
bring
and
advise
and
share
with
with
our
committee.
D
So
with
that,
you
know
build
focus
and
that,
like
the
build
focus,
really
is
to
help
identify
from
our
experiences.
What
are
the
you
know?
What
are
the
pieces
that
roadblock
development
and
how
we
can
help
with
that?
We
went
to
our
last
meeting
and
kind
of
said.
Who
would
be
interested
in
that
chris?
I
would
assume
that
would
be
the
committee
we
you
know.
That
would
be
the
task
force.
We
would
ask
you
to
be
on
that
makes
sense
to
me.
D
Yes-
and
I
guess
is
kind
of
new
to
you,
brandi
and
zakia,
but
if
you
can
kind
of
just
share
from
that,
where
your
backgrounds
think
you
will
lie
or
if
you
don't
think,
you'd
have
the
time
for
the
extra,
because
we
do,
we
do
need
someone
to
we'll
actually
need
one
person
to
kind
of
sit
out.
So
we
haven't,
even
we
don't,
have
a
quorum
on
any
committee.
P
Well,
I
actually
have
to
have
heart
surgery
july
1st,
and
so
I
would
like
to
sit
out
if
possible.
Okay,.
D
D
Okay,
great
all
right
cool.
Well
I'll,
do
the
complete
you
know,
do
the
compilations
of
that
and
then
we'll
you
know,
maybe
send
out
kind
of
an
invite
for
great.
You
know
for
having
our
first
task
force
meeting
and
see
when,
when
times
might
work
so
I'll
reach
out
throughout
the
month
for
setting
that
up
and
then
we
can
and
then
what
we
would
do
is
then
report
each
of
our
we'll
have
an
agenda
item
on
on
our
normal
monthly
meetings.
C
D
D
C
D
Yeah
but
I'll
compile
that
and
send
that
out
within
the
week,
and
then
we
can
see
about
each
committee
trying
to
find
a
time
to
meet
and
then
look
at
for
who
who
non-committee
members
who
we
might
look
to
join
like.
I
said
I've
reached
out
on
the
build
side
to
the
humboldt
association
and
they
were
going
to
recommend
a
few
builders
to
join,
because
I
think
the
broader
input
from
the
community
will
really
help
with
this
and
allows
us
to
kind
of
discuss
on
a
more
technical
level.
D
Maybe
that
would
help
come
back
to
our
committee
and
our
committee
is
meant
to
kind
of
recommend
policy
changes
and-
and
I
think
but
there's
a
lot
of
technical
discussions
that
have
to
go
into
make
policy
changes.
So
I
think,
having
some
of
those
discussions
outside
would
really
help
us
be
efficient.
D
We've
added
yeah
so
we're
now.
Let's
see,
I
think,
we're
not
13
members,
so
that
would
mean
ideally
would
balance
out
it.
Six,
a
piece
with
one
alternate:
okay
and
I
think
we're
I
think,
we're
really
close.
I
think
we're
really
close
with
that
balance
now.
So
I
think
that's
what
we'll
we'll
target.
D
N
Barry
paul
here
quickly:
what
are
the
task
force?
I
I
wanted
a
little
clarity
on
what
the
different
tasks
for
quickly
just
for
next
month's
agenda.
Sure.
D
D
One
is
called
build
and
basically
that's
to
look
at
what
are
some
of
the
barriers
for
actually
developing
and
building
affordable
housing
and
getting
some
real
world
real
world
examples
of
what
are
those
barriers
so
how
we
can
make
recommendations,
especially
specifically
for
for,
like
what
are
the
there
might
be
like
incentives
that
can
be
leaning
for
affordable
housing
that
we
can
put
in
those,
but
to
identify
those
barriers
to
see
how
we
can
help
advise
what
policy
changes
might
be
recommended
to
reduce
those,
and
then
the
connect
is
something
that
you
know.
D
We've
discussed
that
we
need
more
community
input
and
reach
and
thing
and
specific
guidance
like
how
many,
how
what
are
what
are
the?
What
are
the
bedroom
size,
realities
that
people
want?
You
know
we
know,
there's
a.
We
know,
there's
a
waiting
list
of
one
bedroom,
voucher
homes,
you
know,
but
but
but
what
are
what
size
home?
Do
people
really
need?
Where
are
they
willing
to
live?
D
Are
they
willing
to
live
only
in
certain
areas
of
asheville
and
then
almost
create
like
it's
not
really
a
database,
but
just
so
we,
I
think
it's
there's
just
some
data
collection
that
will
really
help
some
of
these
discussions.
D
We
have
to
then
say:
well,
there's
we
know
there's
we
know,
there's
a
lack
of
you
know
this
one-bedroom
voucher
housing
is
one
that
I
come
back
to
it's
because
I
know
that's
where
the
biggest
lack
is,
but
there's
also
a
lack
of
family
housing,
but
we
don't
really
have
some
of
that
quantified
the
same
way.
So
I
think
some
of
these
sub
sub
these
task
forces
you
need
to
call
it
task
force,
might
help
clarify
some
of
that
for
us.
D
Yeah,
so
it's
and
I
think
that's
where
our
committee
will
help
merge
those
to
like
what
the
what
the
community
is
saying.
Their
need
is
for
right
now
and
what
is
like-
and
you
know
you-
that
that
dollar
amount
is
an
example
like
we're
we're
talking
about
275
280,
but
really
should
we
be
saying
well
really
we're
80
of
the
people
that
need
him
really,
oh,
they
it
can't
be
more
than
210
dollars
and
then
they're
going
to
need
eighty
thousand
dollars
in
down
payment
assistance.
D
So
I
think
really
knowing
the
actual
needs
rather
than
talking
about
maximums
might
help
and
that's
what
I
think
some
of
that
connect
committee
might
really
help
us
kind
of
put
the
the
stories
of
the
folks
and
give
the
rain.
You
know
give
the
specific
examples
of
what's
needed
and
we
can
almost
try
to
almost
try
to
match.
D
You
know
I
look
and
almost
try
to
match
them
if
we
know
that
there's
a
need
for
2200,
220,
000
three-bedroom
homes,
maybe
maybe
on
the
build
committee,
there's
a
way
that
we
can
kind
of
create
a
crate.
I
don't
know
it's
not
a
policy
that
can
incentivize
the
developer
to
to
build
that,
but
I
think
if
we
know
where
the
demand
is
that
we'll
be
able
to
better
design
the
policy
to
adjust
for
the
builders
and
the
developers
to
meet
that
demand.
D
That's
that's
that's
kind
of
the
thought
of
where
I
think
our
committee
can
help
merge
those
it's
the
things
we
discuss
at
every
of
our
meetings,
but
we
just
don't
have
the
time
to
get
in
the
technical,
weeds
or
or
get
that
community
input.
But
each
of
us,
you
know
on
our
own
throughout
the
month,
interface
with
folks
and
the
development
services
in
zoning,
and
I
think
we
we
as
individuals
and
then
bringing
in
other
community
members
could
help
get
some
of
that
data.
D
Does
that
help
you
some?
Yes
thanks
and
I
know
I've
also
for
the
build
side.
I've
talked
with
ben
woody
and
they're
interested
in
one
of
their
members
being
part
of
part
of
that
as
well,
and
then
I
think
I'm
going
to
be
joining
the
was
a
decag.
It's
like
the
the
that
I'm
going
to
be
joining
that
advisory
group
for
development
services
as
well.
N
D
So,
let's
we'll
move
on
from
the
task
forces,
but
I'll
I'll,
follow
up
within
the
week
with
emails
on
that
and
then
kind
of
we
have
that
list
of
challenges
and
code.
That's
really
about
what
we're
trying
to
tackle
with
our
committees.
You
can
see
that's
a
link
on
our
on
our
agenda,
so
we
can
look
at
that
in
in
the
task
forces
scott,
do
you
have
any
updates
on
the
planning,
open
space
amendment
task
force.
F
Still
moving
forward,
we've
had
honestly
a
bit
of
pushback
from
the
urban
forestry
commission.
There's
been
a
lot
of
requests
from
a
couple
of
members
within
that
group.
That's
just
as
a
reminder
for
the
open
space
task
force,
that's
one
out
of,
I
believe,
eight
or
nine
separate
groups,
everything
from
downtown
commission
to
our
group
and
the
development
customers,
customers
assistance
group
it's
interesting.
Just
a
moment
ago
you
were
saying
that
you
had
been
in
touch
with
the
city
or
one
of
the
assistant
city
attorneys
about
quorums
from
groups.
F
Interestingly,
there
are
four
members
from
the
urban
forestry
commission
on
the
open
space
task
force
versus
several
of
the
other
groups,
which
only
have
two
members.
So
I'm
not
quite
sure
I
think
that's
four
four
ufc
members
out
of
nine
total
members,
so
I
guess
that's
not
technically
a
quorum,
but
it's
kind
of
packing.
The
court
in
a
nutshell,
yeah
still
still
debating
some
things.
I
think
margie
and
I
are
definitely
trying
to
you-
know,
keep
an
eye
toward
sort
of
a
balance
of
you
know
all
things
open
space.
F
F
Interestingly,
there
was
an
updated
tree
preservation
ordinance
passed
last
fall,
which
was
opposed
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
six
to
one
the
one
dissenting
planning
and
zoning
commission
member
is
also
on
the
open
space
task
force,
so
yeah
still
working
through
some
things,
just
trying
to
keep
a
balance
and
a
consideration
for
larger
needs
of
the
city,
and
I
think
chris
dave,
if
you
want
to
speak
just
briefly
to
that,
because
chris
has
also
represented,
is
on
that
task.
Force
representing
the
development
customers,
advisory
group.
E
Yes,
I'm
representing
the
decag,
and
I
echo
what
scott
said:
it's
it's
a
I.
I
went
on
that
committee
with
the
sole
purpose
to
to
point
out
the
the
issues
in
the
ordinance
that
really
roadblock,
affordable
housing.
The
the
ordinance
has
many
incentives
in
there
for
creating
affordable
housing
in
terms
of
density
bonuses,
yet
they're
not
they're,
they're
not
feasible,
because
of
other
roadblocks
open
space
being
one
of
them,
and
it's
it's
a
that
was
my
goal
going
on
there.
E
I've
learned
a
lot
with
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
other
people
are
coming
in
with
other
goals
of
this
open
space
committee.
So
it's
it's
a
continued
conversation,
but
I
feel
like
we're.
F
Currently,
two
of
the
biggest
points
of
contention
or
discussion
are
open
space
requirements
in
the
cbd,
central
business
district
and
in
the
rad
river
arts
district.
Those
are
both
zoning
districts
that
currently
do
not
require
open
space,
and
at
least
it's
been
my
observation
that
the
again
it
may
be
a
silent
majority
of
the
group
because
I'm
not
hearing
a
whole
lot
of
other
members
speak
up
are
in
support
of
keeping
those.
As
is
again
the
ufc.
The
urban
forestry
commission
is
pushing
hard
to
introduce
new
open
space
requirements
into
the
cbd.
D
N
A
N
Yep
that's
correct
and
I
want
to
introduce
evan
smith
who's
joining
us
from
purpose
built
communities
good
morning,
evan
I'll.
Let
him
do
introductions,
as
I
know,
we're
on
some
tight
time
here.
Evan
has
been
a
very
good
partner
as
we
try
to
get
our
footing
on
adding
a
purpose-built
community
here
in
asheville
and
always
seems
to
be
happy
to
take
my
phone
call.
So
thanks
for
that
evan
for
updates
I'll
turn
it
over
to
him
for
a
presentation
and
evan,
I'm
going
to
load
up
your
slides.
R
Thank
you
paul
thanks
for
the
invitation
it's
great
to
be
with
everybody
today,
I'm
a
my
name
is
evan
smith.
I'm
vice
president
of
purpose
built,
and
I
know
your
time
is
precious
and
there's
someone
else.
Who's
gonna
present
two.
So
this
is
not
in
any.
It
means
gonna
answer
everything
that
you
know
and
every
thought
you
might
have
about
purpose
build
or
our
our
thoughts
about.
R
You
know
how
how
you
could
approach,
making
more
neighborhoods,
even
more
neighborhoods
in
asheville,
healthy
and
accessible
to
to
all
incomes,
but
you
know
hopefully
gives
you
a
little
sense,
so
paul,
thank
you
for
for
driving
here,
and
last
thing
I
should
say
before
I
jump
in
is
purpose-built
we're
a
little
over
10
years
now,
experience
comes
from
the
east
lake
initiative
in
atlanta.
That's
some
formative
experience
and
that
got
started
before
purpose
built.
R
Did
we
are
a
non-profit
pro
bono,
consulting
firm
who
just
offers
technical
assistance,
we're
building
a
network
and
a
community
of
practice
of
efforts
across
the
country
that
are
utilizing
a
similar
strategy.
So
that's
a
little
bit
about
who
we
are
so
and
what
I'm
going
to
talk
today
about
is
our.
R
Why
a
little
bit
about
purpose
built
what
we
call
the
foundation,
which
is
that's,
that's
literally
like
the
purpose-built
entity,
organizational
entity
and
then
the
purpose-built
network,
which
is
this
group
of
28
efforts
across
the
country
that
are
the
ones
who
are
on
the
ground,
putting
the
strategies
into
practice
and
figuring
out
the
right
paths
forward
so
paul
if
you'd
advance,
so
we
believe
all
people
should
live
and
thrive
in
a
healthy
neighborhood.
From
listening
to
the
conversation
for
the
past
hour,
I
it's.
R
I
imagine
this
resonates
deeply
with
you
all,
but
when
we
sort
of
measure
the
gap
between
you
know,
is
that
happening
or
not?
You
can
advance
paul.
R
We
know
that
that's
not
the
case
and
that
within
many
different
cities
I
would
argue
almost
all
sort
of
more
major
or
larger
cities
in
america.
R
The
the
experience
for
the
people
that
live
in
that
city
varies
wildly
by
the
neighborhood
that
they
live
in
here's
one
example
from
chicago
where
you
know
you
live
five
miles
away
from
someone
else.
Your
life
expectancy
is
16
years
shorter
and
we
we
know
that
this
disproportionately
impacts
people
of
color
and
also
disproportionately
impacts.
You
know
the
the
sort
of
the
brunt
of
concentrated
poverty
is
felt
for
by
children
as
well
and
so
understanding
this.
R
R
They
were
structured
in
a
way
that
does
not
work
particularly
well
for
connecting
that
area,
with
resources
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
Some
of
them
listed
on
the
slide
on
the
right,
and
so
given
the
fact
that
you
know
we
didn't
get
here
by
accident,
it's
our
thought.
We've
got
to
be
really
intentional
and
thoughtful
about
the
path
forward.
R
You
all
were
talking
about
that
as
well.
I'm
sure
that
you
know
resonates
deeply.
This
is
this
is
very
hard
to
do,
but
we
think
this
is
critical
to
make
sure
that
more
and
more
people
are
able
to,
you
know,
realize
their
dreams
and
contribute
as
fully
to
society
as
possible.
I
mean
there's
all
sorts
of
reasons
to
do
this
from
a
social
justice
perspective.
R
You
can
move
forward,
and
so
we
believe
the
remedy
must
be
intentional.
As
I
mentioned
holistic,
which
you
know,
means
a
little
bit
everything
right.
We
believe
the
answer
isn't
housing
alone
or
education
alone,
or
other
programs
and
facilities
alone.
It's
a
tandem
of
things
that
that
need
to
work
together
in
conjunction
to
not
only
support
families
and
connect
them
with
the
resources
that
anyone
needs
to
thrive,
but
also
do
that
in
a
way
that
preserves
the
level
of
affordability
long
term.
R
So
as
investments
are
being
made
to
the
place
that
draw
you
know,
market
forces
that
there's
a
level
of
protected
affordability
long
term,
so
the
neighborhood
remains
a
platform
for
a
range
of
incomes,
including
the
lowest
income
families
who
are
living
in
asheville
or
any
other
city.
R
You
can
advance
again
paul
so,
given
that
our
vision
is
that
all
people
of
color,
especially
black
people,
live
and
thrive
in
a
healthy
neighborhood
for
a
while
at
purpose
built,
we
were
less
race
explicit,
but
we
believe,
based
on
what
we've
seen
from
the
the
data
that
we
we
have
to
be
more
bold
and
call
this
out
more
specifically
and
and
our
our
belief
is
that
you
know
and
there's
you
know
the
book
that
heather
mcgee
has
written
the
some
of
us.
R
R
You
can
advance
so
I
mentioned
our
vision
are
how
we
have
a
model,
that's
being
employed
in
28
cities
with
many
others,
exploring
the
viability
of
it.
R
Does
it
make
sense
given
the
opportunity
and
want,
and
that
is
within
a
defined
neighborhood
investments
in
mixed
income
housing
to
protect
affordability,
but
also
make
sure
that
there's
not
concentrated
poverty
in
a
specific
space,
because
we
know
the
outcomes
for
families
and
kids
aren't
good
and
that
also
doesn't
help
connect
that
place
to
some
of
the
you
know,
some
of
the
positive
market
forces
that
could
occur
by
having
a
grocery
store
and
other
amenities
like
that.
R
The
second
is
a
cradle
to
college
education,
pipeline
thinking,
all
the
way
from
birth
to
12th
grade
and
beyond.
Kids
who
live
in
this
place
have
access
to
some
of
the
best
school
opportunities
and
education
opportunities
in
the
entire
area,
regardless
of
their
background,
everyone's
thriving
and
then
investments
in
community
wellness.
This
is
programs
and
facilities.
This
varies
more
than
any
other
portion
of
our
model.
It
really
responds
to
assets
and
needs
and
that
all
that
is
coordinated
by
what's
often
a
newly
created
nonprofit,
whose
sole
purpose
is
the
coordination
of
this
effort.
R
You
go
down
paul.
Thank
you,
so
a
little
bit
about
why
we
believe
in
this
idea
of
a
community
quarterback
I'll
get
to
it
as
I
go,
but
just
to
touch
on
it
briefly.
Here
this
long-term
coordination
and
long-term
commitment
is
key.
People
like
you
all
at
the
table,
that
is,
that
is
necessary
and
so
important.
R
But
as
I
heard
you
all
talk
about
all
that
that's
sort
of
on
in
your
purviewing
play,
you
were
talking
about
the
entire
city
and
beyond
right,
and
so
this
would
be
think
of
this
as
an
additive
sort
of
capacity
and
focus,
that's
solely
dedicated
to
the
success
of
a
particular
neighborhood
making
sure
all
the
investments
are
coordinated
and
the
intended
outcomes
are
being
achieved.
So
this
you
can
get
advanced
pawn.
R
So
we
believe
that
cross-sector
partnership
and
collaboration
is
essential.
You
know,
there's
there's
another
way.
You
could
go
about
this,
which
is
you
create
this
entity
that
has
an
education
arm,
a
housing
arm
and
all
these
other
things?
Our
belief
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
great
people
doing
a
lot
of
great
work
who
have
access
to
a
range
of
resources
and
the
idea
is
figuring
out
how
those
things
fit
together
in
a
complementary
way.
R
You
know
in
some
degree
this
is
totally
intuitive,
but
from
our
experience
I'm
sure
you
all
know
that
people
working
you
know
sort
of
in
collaboration,
long
term
to
continue
to
get
better.
That
doesn't
happen
by
accident
and
that's
really
the
role
of
the
community
quarterback.
You
can
advance.
R
So
here's
the
the
28
places
that
we're
working
you
know
largely
in
the
central
time
zone
east.
That's
that's
primarily
a
function
of
the
fact
that
we're
in
atlanta,
but
there's
you
know
so
we're
excited
that
this
is
growing
over
time.
One
of
the
things
that's
been
great
about
this
is
that
the
approach
taken
in
eastlake
is
not
the
approach
that
everybody
is
taking
right:
people,
everybody's
thinking
about
housing
and
education
and
other
stuff,
but
not
every.
This
is
not
a
cookie
cutter
type
idea.
R
It
responds
to
local
needs
and
says:
okay
sort
of
you
know
what
makes
sense
for
us
right
and
we
have
guidance
and
best
practices
we
can
share.
But
we've
learned
a
lot
from
our
28
network
members
and
there's
been
innovations
that
have
emerged
from
that
that
have
made
everyone
better.
R
You
can
go
down,
so
we
believe
long-term
commitment
is
necessary
to
achieve
and
then
sustain
the
desired
results.
Eastlake's
been
at
this
for
over
25
years.
You
know
you
might
go
to
east
lake
today
in
atlanta
and
say:
oh
wow.
The
buildings
are
built,
the
school's
doing
great
check
this
off,
move
on
to
the
next
one
right
and
that
might
be
appropriate
for
some
partners
there.
But
this
community
quarterback
is
thinking
about
okay.
R
What
are
the
current
needs
and
a
current
need
in
that
neighborhood
is
increased
affordability,
because
the
the
initiative,
the
foundation
acquired
land
long
ago
and
just
held
it
that
they're
now
building
additional
housing
there,
including
some
income,
restricted
units
all
fitting
together
and
if
they
weren't
continuing
to
think
about
this-
that
wouldn't
be
possible.
They're,
also
making
sure
that
as
leadership
transitions
at
the
school
and
other
partners,
people
are
continuing
to
work
together.
R
R
You
can
advance
paul,
and
so
we
support
aspiring
network
members
in
three
ways.
One
is
one-on-one
consulting
happy
to
take
paul's
phone
calls
or
anyone
else
to
strategize
share
ideas.
The
next
one
is
a
community
of
practice.
We
have
this
for
our
prospective
network
members,
but
even
more
so
for
for
people
that
are
network
members,
that's
opportunities
to
meet
with
people
that
are
kicking
this
idea
around
in
other
parts
of
the
country.
We
have
a
monthly
call.
That's
a
couple
people
from
asheville
saturday
on
and
the
last
is
strategic
partnerships.
R
We,
you
know
understand
from
our
experience,
who's
great
who's,
a
great
mix,
income,
housing,
developer,
who's
great
in
this
space,
and
we
can
help
make
some
of
those
introductions
and
also
to
funding
partners
like
the
low
income
investment
fund
in
others.
R
So
that's
what
I
got
thanks
for
indulging
me
in
a
very
you
know
me
talking
heavy
presentation,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
if
time
allows
or
discuss
this
at
a
future
date,
if
that's
better.
N
Evan,
I
would
just
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
and
it
looks
like
we
could
be
number
29
on
the
screen.
If
I
have
my
numbers
correctly,
it's
a
lot
of
work.
What
I
really
appreciate
about
purpose
built,
is
it
it's
a
framework?
N
That's
able
to
your
community,
and
it
is
very,
it
is
very
good
to
be
at
the
table
with
purpose
build
it's
a
lot
of
work
to
get
everybody
on
home
plate
before
you
start
leaping
and
we're
excited
to
see
what
could
happen,
and
I
hope
this
was
helpful
to
everybody.
Barry
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you,
but
just
wanted
to
give
a
big
thanks
to
evan
for
his
initial
partnership.
Here.
D
Yep,
thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you
evan.
What
is
I
mean?
Could
you
I
know
with
our
the
cedar
pill
project,
so
we've
heard
a
lot
about
the
that
we're
looking
for
to
be
a
purpose-built
community.
What
is
the
are
we
engaged
or
what?
What
is
the
steps
we've
taken
so
far
or
that
we
are
in
with
this
connected
to
that?
You
know
that
particular
project.
R
I'm
not
sure
about
specific
projects
and
paul.
You
might
want
to
comment
more
so
because
we're
pro
bono
barry,
we
we,
we
don't
have
like
a
super
defined
scope
up
front,
which
I
think
some
people
really
like
it.
It
does
make
it
a
little
bit
confusing
to
describe
what
we
do
right.
It's
not
just
a
checklist,
so
it's
almost
more.
This
is
kind
of
a
crude
analogy,
but
it's
also
it's
almost
like
a
little
bit
like
dating
right.
R
It's
like
this
is
what
we
can
do,
there's
a
lot
of
great
ways
to
make
the
world
a
better
place.
Sure
you
know
how
to
help
with
one
of
them.
Is
this
a
good
thing
right,
and
so
it's
it's
really
assessing
that
on
both
sides
and
through
conversation
and
and
really
kicking
the
idea
around
with
multiple
people
to
see
what
the
appetite
is.
N
And
barry
just
quickly,
you
know
we
started
meeting
with.
I
think
I
started
talking
with
purpose
build
last
june,
and
then
we
had
our
kind
of
first
meeting
with
them
and
and
the
city
and
hacka
and
other
partners
in
in
august
september,
and
it's
just
a
lot
about
you
know
kind
of
figuring
this
out
on
home
plate
is
how
I
always
call
about
it,
but
particularly
looking
at
what
we're
missing.
N
You
know
in
the
in
the
overall
framework
model,
and
I
think
evan,
if
it's
okay,
one
thing
I
think,
we've
noticed
is
some
real.
How
do
we
bring
in
real
leadership
from
the
business
community
yeah?
I
think
it's
something
that
when
I
was
in
wilmington
we
struggled
with
when
we
thought
about
it
down
there
same
thing
up
here:
evan
yeah,.
R
Yeah,
we
think
our
everybody
has
things
to
contribute
and
that
there's
not
enough
resources
alone
in
the
public
sector
or
the
private
sector.
It's
really
about
the
collaboration
right,
and
so
we
do
think
this
business
and
civic
leadership
is
a
key
participant.
R
You
know
people
from
the
local
community
key
participants
and
then
what
we
call
sort
of
implementation
partners
right,
like
who
sort
of
shares
the
vision
around
excellence
and
equity
as
it
relates
to
the
housing
strategy.
Who
has
a
track
record
of
being
able
to
deliver
at
really
high
levels?
R
Can
we
get
them
to
be
part
of
this
team?
And
I
it's
our
experience
that
people
are.
You
know
that
you
can
get
some
really
great.
You
know
these
implementation
partners
locally,
maybe
from
elsewhere,
want
to
be
part
of
a
team
that
is
connected
with
that.
You
know
that
is,
is
at
its
roots,
connected
with
the
local
community.
R
There's
deep
community
partnership,
there,
that's
informing
the
strategy
and
you
know,
and
the
path
forward,
but
there's
also
additional
resources
and
networks
that
are
being
brought
to
the
table
via
business
and
civic
leaders
that
maybe
don't
live
in
the
community,
but
want
to
advance
the
vision.
That's
it.
D
R
It's
it's
a
little
bit
more
like
broad
kind
of
technical
assistance
and
strategy
development.
So
if
we
had
to
classify
ourselves
as
like
a
type
of
consultant,
we'd
sort
of
be
like
a
strategy
consultant
but
sort
of
early
on
thinking
about
how
the
pieces
fit
together.
R
The
thing
that
we
will
advocate
for
barry
and
others
is
excellence
and
a
focus
on
equity
and
what
what
we
believe
deeply
about
the
housing
strategy
is
that
I
I
hear
you
all
that
there
is
a
need
for
more
affordable
housing
via
income,
restrictive
units
and
just
other
ways
to
get
to
a
price
point
that
people
can
afford.
R
If
that's
the
case,
and
so
that's,
why
we're
deep
advocates
of
mixed
income,
housing
and
just
sort
of
offhand
like
the
number
for
us,
is
like
20
market
rate
sort
of
true
market
rate
levels
of
income
restriction,
all
the
way
down
to
traditional
public
housing,
30,
ami
and
lower,
maybe
with
60
and
80,
in
into
the
mix
too,
with
an
idea
being
that
if
any
one
of
us
went
to
these
developments,
you
couldn't
tell
based
on
someone's
address
or
if
they
apply
to
a
job
or
something
like
that,
whether
they
receive
an
income
subsidy
or
not.
R
D
J
Yeah
I'll
keep
this
brief.
I
have
a
question
for
paul
and
then
a
question
for
evan
paul.
You
mentioned
the
folks
who've
been
involved
in
this
conversation.
So
far
you
you
name
the
city
and
and
other
partners.
Can
we
get
an
update
on
who's
been
involved
and
what
the
outreach
strategy
is.
I'm
curious
specifically
about
the
school
districts
and
the
folks
working
in
the
schools
in
that
area,
residence
council
with
haka.
N
And
thanks
for
that-
and
there
has
been
a
lot
of
conversation
happening
over
the
last
six
to
eight
months
in
just
initial
conversation,
but
right
now,
there's
higher
level
talks
happening
between
city
management
and
the
partners.
So
I
think
we'll
have
more
to
report
on
a
direction
as
well
as
more
information
about
community
input.
But
right
now
just
trying
to
hash
out
some
agreement
points
with
executive
directors
and
city
management.
J
J
My
question
I
mean
it
seems
like
you're
you're,
a
lot
of
meetings,
how
many
meetings
who's
there
what's
how's
the
community
being
invited
to
purchase.
This
seems
from
what
evan
described
as
a
really
community
focused
process,
and
it
feels
like
you
know,
we're
lining
up
resources
for
implementation
before
we've
had
the
conversations
with
the
community,
the.
N
The
community
focus
is
absolutely
as
evan
suggested.
First
and
foremost,
I
I
think
what
everyone's
trying
to
figure
out
is
what
is
to
be
communicated
with
that
community.
There
have
been
some
discussions.
We've
met
monthly
with
purpose
bill
for
about
six
months,
but
we
have
not
met
the
last
few
months
because
I
think
that
there
are
some
discussions
happening
with
longer
term
visioning
or
just
trying
to
get
everybody
on
home
plate,
but
nothing
will
be
done.
N
I
think
everything
that
we've
written
down
talks
about
an
eight
month
to
12
month,
community
process,
but
the
powers
that
be
are
trying
to
figure
out
that
home
plate.
Andy.
Okay,.
J
Evan
real
quick,
a
question
for
you
about
long-term
commitment
from
that
back
backbone
organization
or
community
quarterback.
How
does
that?
What's
been
your
experience
with
with
finding
and
maintaining
funding
for
that
position?.
R
Yeah,
so
it's
there's
always
there's
a
philanthropic
need
long
term
and
the
success
the
effort.
You
know
basically
community
quarterbacks,
we,
our
experience,
has
been
the
community.
Quarterbacks
can
raise
funds
not
only
for
their
own
operation
but
a
lot
of
times
for
the
initiative
writ
large
as
well
or
at
least
assist,
and
so
that
that
helps
them
kind
of
kind
of
make
the
case
too
or
maybe
they.
R
You
know,
approach
a
capital
campaign
for
say
a
new
early
learning
center,
but
within
that
larger
capital
campaign,
which
is
really
focused
on
the
operating
gap
and
the
capital
needs
for
the
early
learning
center.
There's
also
a
you
know:
a
half
a
million
or
a
million
dollars
for
operation
to
community
quarterback.
So
you
know
there's
some
creative
strategies.
R
It
is
you
know
it
is.
I
appreciate
the
idea
that
you're
not
going
to
take
take
it
lightly
so
that
you
can
deliver
long
term.
I
think
the
success
of
the
effort
kind
of
you
you,
the
community
quarterback,
has
been
able
to
make
the
case
and
there's
a
growing
kind
of
body
of
evidence
put
out
by
the
you
know:
the
stanford
social
innovation
review
and
others
about
the
benefit
of
backbone
organization.
So
there's
other
literature
and
resources
to
pull
on
there.
R
I
think
it
really
just
comes
into
practice
and
we
can
come
and
sort
of
see.
Oh,
this
is
the
difference
that
this
capacity
is
making
for
this
effort
versus,
like
somebody
like
wrote
up
a
nice
white
paper,
but
they're
actually
not
helping
in
any
way.
So
I
think
it's
just
making
sure
that
people
are.
You
know
delivering
and
people
can
see
the
value
funders.
D
C
Hi,
yes,
I
did.
I
evan.
I
find
your
presentation
real
interesting.
I
like
that
it
is
intentional
to
the
real
racial
disparities
as
far
as
wealth
and
home
ownership
and
that
wealth
gap
and
the
generation
through
that,
and
so
I
am
very
interested
in
learning
more
especially
around
the
community
engagement
and
how
intentional
that
process
is,
and
I
would
love
to
learn
more
about
that.
D
R
N
Really
appreciated
evan
we're
gonna
place
his
presentation
in
all
your
shared
materials,
so
everybody
has
it
and
evan
can
be
available.
I
believe
it's
e
smith
purposefulcommunities.org,
if
you
want
to
reach
out
or
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me,
but
evan
really
appreciate
your
time.
Sure
great.
D
Thank
you
evan
thank
y'all,
so
we're
gonna
skip
over
just
for
time,
so
we're
gonna
go
to
there's
a
section
called
innovations
and
affordable
housing.
Paul
sent
me
an
email
about
this.
I've
read
I've
read
with
lots
of
interest
about
the
the
3d
printing.
So
I'm
really
curious
on
this
presentation
so
paul.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
introduce
rick
love
to
hear
what
we
got.
N
Thanks
barry
just
wanted
to
queue
up
the
video
for
our
partner,
so
we
could
skip
the
commercial
session
there.
So
I
wanted
to
introduce
rick
ingram
with
his
group.
This
kind
of
idea
came
up
barry
and
thank
you
for
entertaining
us
with
a
lot
of
difficult
news
happening
on
affordable
housing
these
days,
especially
in
home
ownership.
I
thought
it
might
be
nice
to
have
an
assumption
about
innovations
and
affordable
housing
towards
the
end
of
each
meeting.
I
Hey
guys,
thanks
for
having
me,
my
name
is
ricky
grill,
I'm
the
ceo
and
founder
of
ipr
homes,
a
new
startup
based
out
of
north
carolina.
I
actually
live
in
the
asheville
area,
I'm
from
mars
hill.
I
just
grew
up
about
20
minutes
north
of
here,
but
we're
operating
kind
of
predominantly
out
of
the
triangle,
and
we
are
focused
on
the
3d
printing
of
homes.
I
So
this
is
maybe
something
you've
come
across
your
timeline.
It's
like
videos,
circulate
constantly
showing
these
innovations,
but
the
technology,
though
it's
still
very
much
in
its
infancy.
I
Very
very
rapid
clip
and
though
I
think
it's
you
know
unlikely.
Q
I
Every
home
is
going
to
be
built
in
this
manner
in
the
next
two
or
three
years.
We
think
that
we're
at
a
point
now
where
we
are
really
seeing
commercial
viability.
So
there
are
a
few
companies
around
the
united
states,
some
out
of
one
out
of
california,
one
out
of
texas
that
have
started
to
make
some
some
really
nice
advancements
that
are
showing
promise,
especially
at
the
early
stages
in
the
affordable
housing
community
context.
I
We
think
that
we
have
the
capacity
to
sort
of
mirror
the
innovations
that
they're
making.
We
have
partnered
with
a
residential
construction
company
out
of
the
triangle,
as
well
as
with
north
carolina
state
university
and
their
additive
manufacturing
center,
to
think
through
how
we
are
developing
a
proprietary
machine
and
a
proprietary
materials
mix
that
we
believe
will
contribute
in
some
really
significant
ways
to
be
able
to
increase
the
housing
supply
and
bring
down
costs.
Q
I
Q
Q
This
dutch
couple
just
got
the
keys
to
now
the
very
first
3d
printed
home
in
the
netherlands,
elise,
lutz
and
harry
deckards
are
retired
students
for
school
touring,
their
two-bedroom
concrete
bungalow.
There
says
they
feel
safe
inside,
but
that's
one
of
those
bunkers
their
home
was
printed
in
24
parts
in
a
nearby
factory.
Before
being
supplied
and
assembled
designers
say,
the
house
is
up
to
dutch
building
standards
and
is
the
first
assigned
in
what
they're
calling
project.
Q
Even
though
3d
printing
holds,
is
a
new
concept.
It's
reportedly
a
way
to
a
cost
to
reduce
the
amount
of
cement
used
and
in
the
netherlands.
It
provides
another
option
where
there
is
a
shortage
of
experience
in
work
layers.
They
say
more
sophisticated
home
designs
are
on
the
way
and
that
will
make
force
before.
Q
I
So,
as
you
see
you
know,
that's
just
a
little
clip.
I
think
that
we're
seeing
more
and
more
of
these
around
the
world,
where
folks,
are
understanding
the
value
of
this
technology,
which
is
it's
faster
that
home
they
said
you
know
it
was.
It
was
printed
in
a
warehouse.
I
It
was
assembled
in
a
day
the
the
speed
at
which
you
can
print
these
homes
are
remarkably
fast.
So
some
folks
are
printing.
You
know
up
to
600
700
square
foot
homes
in
24
hours,
larger
homes
are
taking
48
hours,
72
hours
100
hours,
but
if
you're
doing
it
within
a
week,
you
compare
that
to
the
time
that
it
takes
to
do
a
traditional
stick,
built
wood
framed
home,
it's
dramatic
time
savings,
and
if
you
can
save
time,
that
means
you
can
build
more
units,
it's
not
only
a
time
savings.
I
It's
also
a
material
savings.
So
as
I'm
sure
that
a
lot
of
you
are
aware
of
lumber,
the
predominant
use
of
building
new
homes
has
gone
up
300
percent
in
the
last
year,
and
you
know
we're
seeing
prices
begin
to
stabilize,
but
they
haven't
reached
that
equilibrium
point
and
it's
a
real
question
of
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
see
it
come
back
down
to
sort
of
the
traditional
levels
that
people
are
accustomed
to.
I
I
I
I
Q
I
I
Machines
with
about
three
to
five
people-
that's
normally
what
it
takes
on
site
to
do
the
exterior
framing.
Now
that
doesn't
mean
that
all
the
labor
is,
and
that's
something
that
you
know
we're
really
cognizant
of-
is
we're
not
trying
to
automate
every
single
person
out
of
a
job
here,
all
of
the
sort
of
fixture
work,
all
of
the
hvac
work.
I
That's
still
done
traditionally
so
you're
still
working
with
local
community
partners
to
fulfill
those
needs,
but
out
of
an
entire
home
building
process
about
40
of
all
of
the
labor
costs
associated
with
the
new
build
are
associated
with
framing
the
home,
because
it's
a
very
labor
intensive
process.
It's
very
complicated,
and
you
know.
I
Sort
of
the
the
cost
of
the
labor
as
being
a
huge
savings,
it's
also
the
availability
of
labor.
You
know
people
are
suggesting
that
following
the
recession,
home
builders
are
struggling
to
even
find
enough
people
available
to
do
this.
Work
and
as
sort
of
the
new
generation
of
younger
workers
are
entering
the
market.
Fewer
and
fewer
are
going
into
construction,
so
it
is
a
structural
problem
that
we're
seeing.
I
So
you
know
we
are
in
the
process
of
designing
our
first
prototype
that
we
are
going
to
put
into
place
in
a
first
stage
community
project
out
in
littleton
north
carolina.
We
don't
have
an
exact
time
frame
because,
as
I'm
sure
you
guys
know,
technological
development
can
vary
quite
quite
dramatically
on
a
time
frame,
but
we.
K
I
I
North
carolina
is
a
rural
community
out
in
sort
of
northeastern
north
carolina,
and
one
of
the
equity
investors
in
our
company
has
a
series
of
land
and
he
has
close
affiliations
with
the
engineering
department
at
nc
state
he's
very
excited
about
this
technology
and
has
sort
of
just
given
this
land
as
a
test
case.
Like
you.
L
I
And
you
build,
and
you
know
we
would
love
to
test
the
theory.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come.
We
would
love
to
invite
you
guys
out
to
see
the
progress,
see
what
we're
doing
walk
around
the
home
walk
around
the
structures,
ask
us
questions
and
then
really
explore
the
possibility
of
getting
that
into
other
markets,
because
you
know
we,
like
I
said
at
the
beginning.
I
I
don't
think
that
this
is
going
to
replace
every
single
new
home
build
in
the
near
term.
It
might.
I
Term,
but
I
think
that
where.
I
Is
thinking
about
how
we
can
apply
this
technology
to
things
like
affordable
housing,
sort
of
cottage
courts,
college
communities
accessory
dwelling
units
we
we're?
We
think
that
we'll
have
the
capacity
with
our
first
printer
to
print
structures
between
800
and
1200
square
feet
to
do
about
two
or
three
bedrooms
and
then
we'll
be
working
with
community
partners
around
the
state
to
have
you
know
actual
traditional.
I
Can
do
the
fixtures
do
the
windows?
Do
the
doors
do
the
plumbing
and
then
we'll
have
partnerships
with?
You
know
appliance
manufacturers
who
can
get
these
things
into
homes,
but
I
think
that
we're
we're
at
a
time
where
we
need
all
the
help
we
can
get
in
trying
to
get
more
housing
on
the
market.
And
you
know
the
thing
that
I
haven't
mentioned
is
price,
but
all
of
the
elements
that
all
the
savings
that
you
can
render
through
this
development
results.
E
D
I
You're
going
to
be
looking
at
until
you
get
your
own
product,
but
I
would
anticipate
you
know:
savings
of
20,
30
out
of
the
gate,
and
hopefully,
in
the
long
run
we
would
be
able
to
do
even
better
than
that
and
the
incentives
line
up
well
for
us,
because
you
know
the
machine
is
able
to
do
things
very
efficiently.
So
we
can
offer
we'll
make
good
money,
so
it
makes
business
sense
it
allows.
I
D
Great
yeah,
thank
you,
rick
yeah.
I
really.
I
really
appreciate
this.
I've
followed,
you
know,
icon
and
some
of
the
the
austin
projects
and
I
think
california's
got
some
going
on
as
well.
So
I've
been
real,
curious
yeah
when
that
might
be
coming
here.
So
you're
thinking
it
sounds,
like
you
said,
maybe
mid
to
mid
next
year.
You
might
have
a
prototype.
I
D
Yeah,
I
think
we
the
the
whole.
I
love
that
I
love
the
agenda
item
innovations
you
paul.
I
think
it
was
a
good
good
idea,
because
again
it's
some
of
this
is
so
depressing,
but
it's
good.
It's
good
to
hear
some
of
the
projects
that
are
in
the
works
and
ideas
and
concepts
for
how
to
do
this,
how
to
build
more
efficiently
to
help
bring
costs
down.
N
N
You
know
watching
my
ethnic
gut,
so
it's
not
a
sales
type
of
pitch
necessarily,
but
it's
a
great
way
to
share
innovations
that
could
be
helpful
in
this
affordable,
continuing,
affordable
housing
struggle,
especially
around
home
ownership.
So
I
am
grateful
for
rick's
time
and
if
anyone
has
any
other
future
ideas,
just
let
you
know
or
me
know,
or
both
very
that's
great
yep.
F
Hi
rick,
thanks
for
the
presentation,
I
was
just
curious
right
off
the
bat.
Have
you
run
into
any
kind
of
either
potential
headaches
or
barriers
with
state
building
code?
And
I
guess
on
a
tag
on
question.
The
area
that
you're
building
out
in
littleton
is
that
in
an
incorporated
area
or
is
it
out
unincorporated
county.
I
Q
D
G
Hi
just
a
quick
question:
how
much
of
a
constraint
is
having
to
develop
the
proprietary
concrete.
I
I
Side
is
going
to
be
something
that
I
think
you
know
continually
gets
improved
upon
there.
We
we
have
a
structural
engineer
at
nc
state
who
is
a
concrete
specialist,
and
we
also
have
a
material
scientist
at
nc
state
working
on
this.
This
thing
and
we'll
build
out
an
internal
team.
It's
not
going.
H
I
The
thing
that
we
get
right
out
of
the
gate-
you
know
it
will
be
an
iterative
process
where
you're
consistently
changing
and
modifying
the
mix,
because
they
want
this
to
be
a
thing
where
the
homes
last
100
years,
not
just
20
or
30
years.
So
I
think
the
materials
question
is
going
to
be
a
tough
one.
We've
got
a
very
good
starting
block.
We
believe
that
there
are
ways
to
reinforce
sort
of
traditional
concrete,
with
with
certain
elements
that
we've
already
identified.
I
So
we
think
we've
got
a
good
lead,
but
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
testing
to
get
this
right,
but
we
think
that
you
know
the
first
thing
we
put
on
the
market.
As
I
told
scott,
you
know
it's
going
to
be
code
compliant
and
we're
going
to
feel
comfortable
that
this
is
safe
and
that
people
can
live
in
this
safe.
I
D
C
Hi
rick
as
you're
bouncing
off
the
question
about
the
mix.
So
are
there
any
environmental
things
that
you
bring
in
environmental
issues?
The
questions
that
you
and
then
to
issues
with
or
anything
like
that
around
the
carbon
footprint
or
anything.
I
Yeah,
so
these
these
homes
are
are
dramatically
more
sustainable
than
your
traditional
stick
built
home,
because
the.
N
Q
I
Q
D
Okay,
great
yeah,
look
forward
to
hearing
more
about
this
and
yeah
following
the
technology
yeah.
I
think
just
one
of
the
other,
not
not
on
concrete,
but
there
was
there's
a.
There
was
a
big
startup
called
katera,
which
was
trying
to
focus
on
laminated
timber,
and
I
think
they
it
unfortunately
is
a
big
one.
It
just
shut
down
this
week.
It
was.
It
was
a
huge
one
that
was
working
on
kind
of
innovative
methods
and
specifically
for
modular
construction
and
that
yeah
just
went
belly
up
this
week,
but
but
yeah.
D
I
You
for
doing
this
well,
thank
you
guys
for
letting
me
stop
by
and
you
guys
can
feel
free
to
email
me
if
you
think
of
anything
or
would
like
to
have
sort
of
a
side.
Conversation
on
this
paul
has
my
email,
but
I'll
I'll.
Just
give
it
to
you
real.
N
D
N
Sure
I
can,
and
so
matt
alan
from
the
land
of
the
sky,
regional,
our
association
of
realtors
is
here
and
he
reached
out
nikki
and
I
did
a
presentation
and
we
do
some
some
work
with
them,
often
around
affordable
housing
and
then
matt
reached
out
about
a
possible
like
some
kind
of
summit
or
outreach,
event
etc,
and
then
thinking
that
ahec
was
this
week.
I
invited
him
to
the
meeting
to
maybe
do
a
pitch
in
some
sort
of
partnership,
maybe
around
homeownership
or
something.
M
M
Up
really,
really
quick.
So,
basically,
you
know
we
partner
with
the
city
and
county
to
create
this
pamphlet
on
affordable
housing
developments
around
town.
Some
other
tips
about
fair
housing,
tenants,
rights,
physical,
legal
and
you
know-
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
people
know
about
this,
and
so
my
idea
was
to
reach
out
to
national
association
of
realtors,
since
they
have
some
nice
funds
and
get
some
grant
money
to
put
on
a
forum
where
we
would
introduce
this
to
people.
You
know
marketed
to
the
community.
M
Perhaps
have
you
know
paul
of
course,
and
or
nikki
would
come
and
give
a
truncated
version
of
the
presentation
they
gave
recently
at
lotsar
and
then
have
some
affordable
housing
developers
come
as
well.
You
know,
don't
have
too
many
cooks
in
the
kitchen,
but
you
know
anybody:
kirk
booth,
the
mountain
housing
home
rebound.
M
You
know,
beloved
asheville,
come
and
talk
about
the
ins
and
outs.
You
know
the
the
difficulties
in
developing,
affordable
housing,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
come
and
throw
that
out
there
in
the
early
stages.
I
wanted
to
see
if
you
guys
could
help
me
formulate
what
that
form
might
look
like,
and
then
I
could
pitch
it
to
nar
to
get
some
grant
money
to
put
on
that
forum
to
mainly
introduce
this,
but
also
people
to
affordable
housing
developers
and
the
issues
involved
in
getting
that
off
the
ground.
D
Great
yeah,
I
think
one
idea-
maybe
we
can.
This
would
be
a
good
thing
to
when
we
create
our
have
the
meeting
of
our
connect
committee.
We
can
actually
task
them
with
con
with
you
with
this,
because
that's
really
what
we're
saying
is
we
need
more.
We
need
to
get
the
we
need
to
get
more
information
from
the
public,
but
we
need
to
get
more
information
out
to
the
public
right.
D
So
I
think
that
would
be
you
know
for
the
sake
of
time,
and
I
totally
hear
yet
we
need
to
get
those
out
on
the
streets
and
to
the
people
more,
and
I
think
that
what
we
that
might
be
a
great
we'll
get
your
email
and
then,
when
we
create,
when
we
have
the
meeting
set
up
for
the
connect
task
force,
that's
something
that
lotsar
should
definitely
have
a
seat.
You
know
some
representation
of.
D
I
know
babs
is
on
the
local
realtor,
affordable
housing
committee,
but
you
know
definitely
more
input
from
that,
and
I
think
that
might
help
you
see
some
things
where
you
know
where
the
national
association
of
realtors
might
be
able
to
step
in
and
help.
Is
there
was
there
a
specific,
like
I
see,
there's
like
an
august
date
on
that?
Was
there
something
specifically
floated
for
august.
M
Not
necessarily
again
that
just
seemed
like
the
soonest
that
we
could
get
it
together
and
and,
and
you
know
properly
market
it
and,
of
course
apply
for
the
grant
funds
from
nar
to
put
it
on.
So
you
know
again,
it
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
then.
Okay,.
D
All
right
cool
yeah,
I
think
what
I'll
we'll
do
is
connect
yeah
for
the
our
task
force.
We'll
have
you
connect
connect
with
the
connect
group
and
then
see
how
we
can
work
on
getting
that
out
any
other
just
some
kind
of
keeping
moving
along
for
timeline.
Any
other
committee
members
have
questions
or
thoughts
they
want
to
share
or
ask
of
matt,
while
he's
here.
M
Cool
well,
thank
you,
yeah,
looking
forward
to
it
and
let's
just
keep
the
conversation
going
because
yeah
the
impetus
for
this
just
really
quickly
was.
I
went
to
something
the
other
day
that
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
some
local
service
industry
people
put
on
about.
You
know
the
difficulties
they're
facing,
and
you
know
I
introduced
this
to
jacob
sessions.
Who
has
some
response
around
the
town
and
he
said
man.
I
know
some
people
who
would
love
to
give
this
information.
I
had
no
idea,
and
so
it's
really
just
about
information
sharing.
D
Yeah,
no,
I
think,
that's
great
yeah
as
we
as
we
discussed
in
our
earlier
part
of
the
meeting
about
the
rental
arrears
that
some
people
are
facing.
I
think
that's
also.
You
know
again
it's
one
of
those
one
of
those
items
that
we
need
to
share
with
the
people
and
yeah.
I
get
a
good.
D
You
know
I
I
own
the
thirsty
monk,
so
I
get
a
good
read,
also
on
kind
of
what
the
needs
are
of
folks
and,
and
we
kind
of
really
make
make
sure
that
we're
getting
the
that
we're
making
the
message
out
to
those
who
need
it,
the
most
so
yeah.
I
appreciate
you
know
your
efforts
in
this
and
we
will.
D
M
Me
see
if
I
can
manage
this,
I'm
very
well
versed
in
zoom,
but
not
as
much
of
this.
Q
D
Thank
you
everybody,
let's
see,
so
I
do
have
a
public
comment
that
came
in,
and
so
I
knew
I
didn't
balance
time
for
that.
Do
we
have
one
thing
I
want
to
discuss.
Real
quick
is
we're
discussing
about
our
july
meeting,
so
our
meeting
would
be.
The
first
would
fall
on
july,
1st,
I'm
still
okay
with
that.
If
we
can
just
get
maybe
a
raise
of
hands
from
everybody
if
july,
1st
still
works
for
you.
D
P
D
D
P
D
D
All
right,
let's
see
in
some
of
the
future
agenda
items,
is
there
anything
specif
that
there's
something
about?
Is
there
anything
in
there
paul
that
we
should
make
sure
we
cover
in
this
meeting,
to
discuss
to
put
on
people's
thought
radar
for
the
next.
N
No,
if
anyone
has
any
creative
thoughts
around
some
of
those
ideas,
you
know
right
now.
I
don't
think
at
the
moment
there's
a
lot
of
necessary
appetite
about
some
of
those
policy,
new
policies
or
policy
changes,
but
that
doesn't
mean
one
day:
it
won't
hit
the
radar
and
someone
will
want
to
go,
but
just
some
thoughts.
N
I
think
what
we're
most
excited
about
is
to
showcase
the
website
at
some
point
and
tell
our
community
investment
story
from
the
last
five
years
in
our
partnership
with
unc
chapel
hill
school
of
government,
which
should
be
in
july
or
august.
N
D
C
N
Yeah
that
there
is
a
presentation
at
some
point
scheduled
to
go
to
hcd,
but
that
work
has
been
ongoing,
they're
trying
to
get
through
that
with
identifying
all
of
the
land
out
there
through
urban
renewal,
as
well
as
as
putting
a
a
dollar
capital
cost
on
on
that
and
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
that
in
the
next
couple
months.
It's
a
lot
of
work
and
unc
asheville
is
at
the
table.
N
There's
been
a
lot
of
like
half
day
meetings,
but
it's
just
they're
trying
to
make
sure
to
get
that
right
and
you
should
be
hearing
more
soon.
Dwana.
D
Thanks
duano
for
the
question,
thanks
paul
all
right,
so
we
do
have.
We
have
a
public
comment
that
has
come
in.
It
was
an
email
I
did
and
I
think
it
should
be.
Is
it
in
everyone's
package.
It
was
a
comment
about.
I
mean
last
night
the
planning
committee
passed
the
charlotte
street
one
of
the
charlotte
street
projects
to
send
to
council.
So
there
will
be
another
public
opportunity.
You
know
there
should
be
public
input
time
at
council
time,
but
there
was
a
comment
that
came
in.
D
D
Great,
thank
you,
then,
with
actually
here
that
we
have
to
clear
this
channel
so
with
that
in
unless
anyone
has
anything
they'd
like
to
add
in
two
minutes,
is
there
any
any
other
comments
thoughts?
D
We
are
good
we're
ending
right
at
11
30..
Thank
you,
everyone!
Thank
you,
everybody
for
for
joining
us
and
we
will
have
our
regular
june
1
meeting.
I
mean
sorry
july
1
and
then
I
will
send
out
emails
about
about
our
task
forces.
So
we
can
try
to
coordinate
a
meeting,
possibly
in
june.
So
thank
you
all
have
a.