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B
You
Brenda
good
morning,
everyone
welcome
to
the
July
meeting
of
the
downtown
Commission
it
has
been
since
February,
since
we
met
and
I
hope
that
everybody
is
doing
all
right,
I'm
going
to
give
us
a
little
bit
of
information
on
just
kind
of
general
rules
to
follow
as
a
group
since
we're
going
to
be
trying
this
virtual
thing
for
the
very
first
time.
So
you
know,
let's
give
ourselves
a
little
grace.
This
could
be
a
little
interesting
if
you've
watched
some
of
the
council
meetings
or
other
virtual
meetings.
B
People
have
frozen
dogs
have
barked,
doors
have
been
knocked
on,
people
have
dropped.
If
you
experience
any
issues
and
you
can't
get
back
on
just
send
me
a
text
all
you
should
have
you're
my
number
and
we
can
pause
and
wait
for
you
to
rejoin
in
general.
You
want
to
stay
on
mute
unless
you
have
something
specific
to
say,
and
since
there
are
so
many
of
us
and
we're
all
pretty
vocal
I'm
thinking,
what
we
can
do
is
as
we
listen
to
presentations.
B
It's
led
to
other
problems.
So
unless
you
have
a
malfunction
or
something
just
stay
off
the
chat
so
to
get
started,
we're
going
to
do
a
roll
call.
You'll
hear
me
say
your
names
a
lot
today
you
have
to
remember
that
some
folks
are
just
calling
in.
They
cannot
see
us
and
it's
being
recorded,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
participate
in
a
way
to
make
sure
if
phone
call
listener
knows
what
we're
doing
so
for
the
roll
call
I'm
going
to
say
each
of
your
names.
B
If
you
could,
if
everyone
could
just
unmute
themselves
real
quick,
we're
going
to
go
through
a
quick
roll
call,
let's
say
your
name:
you
they
present.
It's
like
home
school
all
right,
I'm
gonna
go
alphabetically,
Andrew,
Fletcher,
present
Brian
Haines
I
did
not
see
Brian
join,
let's
mark
Emacs,
absent,
Brian
lop
it
here.
B
Alright
and
a
special
welcome
to
you.
This
is
Brian
Buffett's
first
Commission
meeting
in
this
unusual
way,
but
he
comes
to
us
via
the
design,
review
committee
and
historic
Resources
Commission,
so
were
thrilled
to
have
you
Dana
barrenger
president
Frankie
charted
here
Kimberly
hunter.
We
know
that
she'll
be
absent
with
marker,
absent
Pamela
Winkler
present
Robin
rains
present
rich
summers.
President
stage
Turner
is
present,
Steven
Lee
Johnson.
We
know
he
will
also
be
absent
right.
B
Ok,
thank
you.
You
can
go
back
to
muting
yourselves
at
this
time.
So
the
next
thing
we're
going
to
do
is
review
and
approve
the
February
minutes.
I
did
take
a
few
minutes
to
read
through
them
myself.
They
looked
fine,
it
seems
like
forever
ago.
Does
anyone
have
any
changes?
Amendments
if
so
raise
your
hand?
B
Okay.
So
then
this
is
I'm
going
to
use
this
example
of
making
a
motion
as
an
example
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
So
when
we
make
a
motion,
we
need
to
state
who
we
are
again,
because
the
phone
call
so
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
say
I'm
sage,
Turner
and
I'm
motioning
to
approve
the
February
minute.
If
someone
could
come
in
and
make
a
second
I'll
ask
that
you
introduce
yourself
and
make
that
second.
B
B
We
had
kept
an
item
on
the
agenda
for
statements
from
the
Commission,
and
this
has
been
a
floating
item
because,
as
we
tried
to
meet
in
June
and
now
July,
there
was
just
a
lot
going
on
and
some
commissioners
have
reached
out
saying
they
wanted
to
kind
of
onboard,
not
just
jump
into
immediate
business.
So
if
you
have
something
you
would
like
to
say
or
today
that
was
your
chance
and
it
sounded
like
in
the
prep.
No
one
really
had
anything.
B
Anyone
have
anything
to
say
right
now,
just
a
welcome
back
and
okay
great
we're
going
to
fly
through.
Then,
let's
get
to
design
review.
Our
first
item
up
I
mean
you're
going
to
hear
me
notes
the
agenda.
So
if
you
are
listening
in
on
the
phone,
we
are
in
section
one
new
business
and
presentations,
and
this
is
going
to
be
design
reviews.
So
the
process
is,
we've
actually
reviewed
this
project
before
they're,
coming
back
with
changes,
and
so
first
we're
going
to
hear
from
staff.
You
can
see
them
pulling
up
and
sharing
their
screen.
B
So
Jessica
Bernstein
is
our
staff
on
this
and
she's
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
a
presentation
to
the
changes
and
then
we
as
the
Commission
will
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
for
questions.
So
if
you
have
a
question,
raise
your
hand,
I'll
start
that
stack
and
then
once
jessica
is
done,
we
will
move
to
the
design
and
legal
team
and
they
will
either
present
or
share
their
points
and
then
we'll
have
a
chance
to
ask
them
questions
again.
B
So
again,
you'll
raise
your
hand
and
I'll
do
the
stack
and
then
once
that
is
done,
we
would
normally
go
to
public
comment
because
of
this
virtual
meeting.
Public
comments
needed
to
be
made
or
recorded
via
voice
mail
by
five
o'clock
yesterday
and
we
did
not
receive
any
so
we
will
not
have
a
public
comment
period
after
this.
So
we'll
hear
from
staff
will
hear
from
the
developer
last
all
our
questions
and
then
we
will
vote.
Everybody
got
it:
okay,
Jessica
I'm,
turning
it
over
to
you
thanks
chair.
E
D
So
my
name
is
Jessica
Bernstein
and
I
am
a
planner
with
the
planning
and
urban
design
department.
This
is
a
project.
That's
as
sage
mentioned.
This
is
a
project
that
folks
have
seen
before
the
downtown
Commission
reviewed
this
mixed-use
development
back
in
September
of
last
year
and
then
ultimately.
B
B
D
This
is
just
a
reorient
everyone
to
this
site.
When
you
looked
at
this
project,
it
was
back
in
September
of
2019.
It
went
on
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
after
you
all
and
then
ultimately
was
approved
by
City
Council
as
a
conditional
zoning
in
December
of
2019.
So
this
was
the
size
of
excuse
development.
D
You
can
see
just
to
remind
yourself
of
the
site,
there's
frontage
along
Ashland
Avenue,
as
well
as
Cox
Avenue,
it's
about
a
four
and
a
half
acre
site
overall,
there's
also
a
frontage
on
federal
out
late,
and
it
was
a
number
of
buildings
with
a
mix
of
uses
residential
office
commercial
uses.
And
then
we
recall
the
kind
of
series
of
stepped
urban
open
space,
plazas,
private
and
public
spaces
that
were
went
through
the
site
from
connecting
Ashland
and
Cox
Avenue.
There's
also
a
large
parking
structure
that
a
part
of
it
I
think
we're
losing.
B
On
just
a
second,
so
Ruth
Ruth,
where
yeah,
can
you
hear
me
Ruth
you've
got
something
going
on
with
your
phone.
Everyone
enjoys
that
the
copy'
Bruce
we're
gonna,
ask
you
to
put
your
phone
down
all
right,
but
you
found
it
bad,
Ruth,
you're,
growing,
Jessica,
okay,.
D
So,
just
back
into
the
this
is
the
overall,
the
bird's-eye
view
site
plan
to
show
everyone,
the
different
buildings
that
were
a
part
of
the
development,
and
all
of
that
is
essentially
the
same
and
I
know
that
the
the
applicant
will
we'll
discuss
this
as
well.
But
you
can
see
with
the
red
outlines
just
the
building
footprints
are
some
of
the
building
footprints
are
shifting
slightly,
but
essentially
the
you
know.
General
configuration
of
the
development
is
the
same,
so
I
wanted
to
just
focus
on
the
changes.
D
There's
really
no
changes
to
the
buildings
that
front
along
Cox
Avenue
and
there's
really
no
change
to
the
building.
That's
at
the
south
end
of
Ashland
Avenue,
so
the
the
real
changes
have
to
do
with
the
building
that
fronts
on
federal
ally,
as
well
as
the
one
on
the
north
side.
The
north
end
of
Ashland
Avenue,
with
this
change,
there's
a
slight
reduction
in
residential
units.
Overall,
it
was
approved
with
488
about
and
it's
down
to
about,
474.
So
it's
just
a
slight
reduction.
There's
about
a
50%
reduction
in
commercial
square.
D
Footage
and
you'll
see
that
that
is
really.
You
recall
that
the
Ashland
Avenue
building
on
the
north
end
of
Ashland
Avenue,
and
that's
that
one
that's
on
the
I'm
pointing
at
my
screen,
but
it's
not
helpful
to
you
all,
but
that's
that's
that
building
that's
at
the
top
most
OB
is
always
fine.
The
rendering
was
fine,
Thank
You
Dana,
the
the
elevation
that
was
shown
on
the
top
of
that
that
other
this
one.
So
you
that
the
elevation
at
the
very
top,
that's
the
ash.
D
That
was
the
previous
design
that
you
all
saw
yep
for
the
Ashland
Avenue
building
and
that
that
northern
most
part
the
to
the
left.
That
was
a
four
story
about
30,000
or
so
square
foot
office
piece,
and
so
we
remember,
we
talked
a
lot
about
that
that
the
operation
of
that
office
piece
and
also
the
design
of
that
office
piece.
So
that's
one
of
the
main
things
that's
been
changed
if
you
hop
over
the
second
building
and
down
to
the
the
third
one
on
the
screen.
D
Now,
since
it's
all
residential,
that
design
reflects
that
as
well
and
they're,
showing
just
a
continuation
of
that
same
residential
design
with
the
more
residential
windows
and
the
balconies
and
the
continuation
of
those
materials.
The
other
change
had
to
do
with
the
liner
building
on
federal
alley,
so
the
scale
of
the
parking
deck
has
been
reduced.
It
was
a
it
was
about
nine
hundred
and
seventy
three
spaces
previously
and
now
it's
down
to
about
four
five
hundred
and
seventy
four.
So
the
scale
of
that
parking.
D
That
piece
changed
and
it's
also
shifting
closer
to
federal
alley.
So
the
liner
building
the
residential
liner
building
has
been
eliminated
and
that
that
building
rendering
that's
shown
at
the
top
of
the
screen.
Right
now
that
was
the
previous
design
for
the
federal
alley.
Liner
building
you'll
recall
that
it
was
all
residential
with
individual
entrances
to
the
residential
units
along
the
ground
floor,
and
then
you
know
residential
above
as
well
from
multi
levels,
by
eliminating
that
liner
building
and
pulling
the
parking
deck
to
the
back
of
the
sidewalk.
The
new
design.
D
For
that,
what
would
be
seen
enough
along
federal
alley
is
shown
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
and
so
it
would
just
be
parking
deck
the.
But
what
the
applicant
has
done
is
on
the
ground
level.
They
have
designed
the
parking
deck
so
that
there
would
be
a
series
of
inset,
Bay's
or
stalls
that
could
be
used
for
a
variety
of
temporary
pop-up
commercial
uses
and
then
with
the
ability
to
perhaps
be
transitioned
to
a
more
of
a
conditioned
tiny
micro
commercial
space
in
the
future.
D
D
B
B
D
Yep
so
in
the
staff
report,
I've
noted
in
a
number
of
ways
where
the,
where
what's
the
the
changes
that
are
proposed,
do
align
with
the
design
guidelines.
It's
mostly
when
we're
talking
about
the
parking
deck
on
federal
Ally
as
disappointing
as
it
is
to
lose
that
line
our
building.
As
I
mentioned,
the
design
is
pretty
creative
and
its
its
uses,
color
in
a
coordinated
manner.
Its.
D
Allows
for
activation
so
there's
there's.
Definitely
some
some
highlighted
points
about
the
federal
ally
redesign,
but
that
Ashland
Avenue
redesign
is
a
little,
is
a
little
less
aligned
with
the
design
guidelines
and
mostly
it's
it's
that
there's
really
not
any
variation
in
the
facade
rhythm.
There's,
not
really
much
adjustment
to
roof
forms
or
architectural
details
that
sort
of
break
up
that
massing.
F
F
The
other
thing
that
this
image
does
is
just
remind
us
all
of
the
significant
grade
change
we
had
on
this
site
and
the
challenges
that
we
had
with
that.
We've
got
almost
70
to
80
feet
of
elevation
change
between
the
highest
point
on
Ashland
and
the
lowest
point
on
Cox
at
about
40
feet
of
elevation
change
just
between
Ashland
and
federal
ally,
Payton.
Well,
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
Since
we
got
approval
in
December,
we
have
don't
been
and
been
doing
detailed
souls
analysis,
detailed,
structural
on
counting
design
brought
in
specialty
contractors
for
the
sole
nailing
and
ensuring
that
we'll
have
to
happen
for
the
parking
deck
brought
in
specialty
designers
for
the
parking
deck
itself
to
understand
the
specifics.
So,
in
a
time
of
uncertainty
for
a
lot
of
us,
it's
been
nice
that
this
project
has
been
something
that
that
we've
all
and
a
lot
of
other
folks
have
been
working.
F
Nonstop
on
to
iron
out
the
details
during
that
that
aspect,
the
what's
come
to
light
was
the
fact
that
the
site-specific
souls
that
we
have
there
and
we
already
knew
we're
gonna,
have
soul
nails
because
we
had
that
large
parking
that
going
into
the
bank
on
Ashland
Avenue.
But
the
right
away
width
is
the
Ashland
Avenue.
F
If
you
can
see
there
when
your
screen
is
shifted
all
the
way
to
the
very
edge
of
the
the
west
side
of
the
right
away,
which
leaves
us
a
really
wide
right
away
on
our
side
that
that
we
have
to
stay
out
of
with
those
soul,
nails
and
as
much
as
we
worked
on
different
designs,
we
we
could
not
come
up
with
a
soul,
nail
design
that
didn't
increase
just
slightly
into
that
right
away
for
and
maybe
even
more
so
that
design
and
those
saw
nails
with
that
office.
F
Building
that
was
located
on
Ashland
Avenue
were
creating
requirements
for
significantly
deep
geo.
Pier
and
deep
foundations
that
were
really
just
prohibitive
to
both
that
building
and
even
underneath
the
the
parking
deck
so
so
what
we
started
looking
at
was
if
we
could
just
slide
the
parking
deck
down
and
away
from
Ashland
Avenue.
Just
we
just
needed
a
little
bit
of
room
to
do
that.
F
That's
that's
the
shift
you
see
here
to
take
it
back
closer
to
federal
alley.
What
that
allowed
us
to
do
was
take
the
really,
as
director
said,
no
significant
loss
in
residential
units.
We
took
those
residential
units
and
we
put
them
back
up
on
Ashland
Avenue
by
eliminating
the
the
commercial
and
office
square,
footage
that
on
Ashland
Avenue
it
allowed
those
foundation
types
and
that
building
type
to
come
down
to
something
that
was
feasible
for
this.
F
This
project,
to
continue
on
the
path
that
it
is
well
having
any
reduction
in
the
the
project
in
where
we
understand
the
the
liner
aspect
and
concerned
the
disappointment
from
staff.
We
were
pleased
that
there
was
no
real
significant
loss
in
residential
units
for
the
project
and
and
and
also
affordability,
so
the
affordable
unit
stays
I.
Think
we
with
the
reduction,
we're
still
providing
I,
think
maybe
there
was
one
loss
of
maybe
from
48
to
47
or
we're
basically
in
that
same
area.
F
The
the
other
aspect
of
this
is
just
you
know.
We
second,
we
sacrificed
the
commercial
space
on
the
office
space
because
we
put
priority
on
keeping
the
residential
units
in
the
area,
not
to
mention
the
fact
that
just
the
the
change
in
our
current
dynamic
of
working
the
the
office
space
while
it
was
generating
more
cost
for
the
project,
it
was
also
just
kind
of
lowering
in
priority
as
the
project
was
forward.
F
The
final
thing
I'll
say
is
just
to
point
out
this
slide
that
you
see
here,
the
gray,
the
gray
blocks
are
the
ones
that
were
approved
at
City
Council
and
that
you
saw
previously.
The
red
highlights
are
the
the
shift
that
I
spoke
of
and
and
really
all
the
shifts
and
changes
are
in
these
two
buildings:
the
parking
deck
and
the
building
over
on
the
north
side
of
the
site.
To
the
page
right,
the
the
buildings
on
Avenue
and
the
South
building
on
Ashland
are
not
proposed
to
change.
So
I
think
from
that
I'll.
F
G
So
this
is
just
to
kind
of
show
us
real
Reyes
to
the
psyche.
Again,
like
Chris
was
saying:
building
D
on
Cox
avenues,
basically
remaining
the
same
building
a
own
Ashland.
That's
the
same.
Basically,
the
South
portion
of
building
D
is
the
same
and
we're
looking
at
the
changes
to
the
north
portion
of
building
b,
the
parking
deck
and
the
loss
of
the
residential
liner.
That
was
once
on
the
federal
ally,
and
this
is
just
the
once
I
kind
of
get
into
the
the
3d
model.
G
On
the
corner
of
Buxton
and
Ashland,
Avenue
I'm
just
gonna
go
through
sort
of
a
represent
quickly.
What
we
did
for
the
the
Cox
Avenue
elevation,
even
though
it
hasn't
changed
and
kind
of
walk
us
through
the
site,
so
you'll
notice,
long
ox,
Avenue,
the
proposed
building
massing,
a
height
material,
will
start
to
evoke
the
the
motor
mile.
G
That
was
once
a
long
talks,
Avenue
we're
taking
sort
of
stylistic
cues
from
these
numerous
motor
buildings
that
line
the
street,
and
they
are
still
there
we're
not
trying
to
recreate
history,
but
we're
definitely
trying
to
acknowledge
it.
Along
cox,
buildings
mostly
consist
of
brick
metal
panel,
a
combination
of
warehouse
style
windows,
which
you
can
see
in
the
brick
portions
and
of
more
modern
windows
and
some
fiber
cement
panel
on
these
upper
two
levels,
and
this
will
serve
as
sort
of
like
a
transition.
G
G
E
G
G
G
Look
not
as
much
architectural
can
continuity.
The
buildings
are
kind
of
sprawled
out
low
buildings
along
Ashland
till
we
feel
that
gives
us
the
opportunities
to
sort
of
inform
second
big
precedent
for
Ashland
Avenue.
This
is
building
a
which
hasn't
changed
from
our
last
presentation.
Building
B
is
for
B.
The
main
changes
are,
but
this
corner
really
hasn't
changed
a
whole
lot,
except
for
like
it's
going
from
seven
storeys
to
six
and
only
has
one
level
of
commercial
now,
but.
G
G
G
E
G
G
So
here
with
the
the
parking
deck,
as
we've
mentioned
before,
we've
lost
the
residential
building
that
line
the
parking
deck,
but
we've
also
the
parking
deck
is
now
only
six
storeys
tall
and
we
taken
the
whole
lower
level
and
turned
it
into
these
sort.
Micro,
retail
units
which
are
about
the
depth
of
the
parking
space
about
roughly
24
feet
wide
each
day,
and
we
think
this
is
a
really
interesting
and
actually
probably
a
more
a
better
way
to
activate
federal
Ally
than
what
we
previously
had
so
you'll
see
some
some
of
these
vending
stalls.
G
They
can
be,
it
can
be
closed
up
at
night,
but
the
idea
would
be
I,
have
local
vendors
or
MERS
market
type
than
being
even
possibly
some
food
trucks
coming
in
through
here
and
kind
of
creating
like
a
very
vibrant,
active,
almost
reminiscing
at
a
Wall
Street
downtown.
It's
kind
of
our
code
for
this,
and
what
we're
also
hoping
is
this
sort
of
active
retail
vendor
area
can
serve
as
a
catalyst
for
development
along
along
federal
alley
and
hopefully
improve
things
along
the
other
side
of
the
street
and
really
turned
this
into
a
pedestrian
friendly.
B
B
We
would
recommend
this
design,
but
then
there
would
be
something
that
prevents
it
from
being
used
that
way.
But
having
looked
at
the
Grove
arcade
setup,
it
does
sound
like
there
won't
be
any
issue,
there's
kind
of
a
they
have
a
wraparound
kind
of
deal,
but
yeah
I
don't
foresee
that
being
a
problem,
but
I
did
want
to
pause
there
just
to
remind
the
commissioners
that
before
we
had
a
very
different
problem
with
this
particular
area.
So
thank
you
for
pausing.
G
B
G
E
B
I
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
some
things
that
I
said
in
the
design
review
meeting,
and
my
concern
is
the
first
for
residential.
It's
now
proposed
where
the
commercial
building
was
and
I
know,
we
can
we've
continued
to
have
problems
with
seeing
first
for
residential.
It
doesn't
really
activate
in
the
street
front
the
way
that
we
would
like
to
see
with
a
retail
or
some
kind
of
commercial
actually
retail
space
on
those
first
four
units.
I
So
I
just
wanted
to
really
reiterate
that
that
was
a
concern
for
me
and,
secondly,
just
to
read
remind
the
design
team
with
having
lost
the
lining
on
the
parking
garage
that
all
night
lighting
of
parking
garages
can
be
very
problematic
to
any
nearby
residential
and
without
knowing
what
the
next
development
on
federal
alley
will
be.
I
hope
that
they
will
look
at
ways
to
minimize
and
block
the
lighting
inside
that
parking
garage.
B
They
are,
they
are
required
if
they're
on
a
primary
street.
This
is
a
secondary
street.
Has
this
been
on
Cox,
it
would
be
required
and
I'll
remind
you,
was
Hall
lodging
uses
and
is
also
required.
The
next
up
was
Andrew
I'm.
Sorry,
let
me
I'm
trying
to
let
me
correct
myself:
do
you
want
to
respond
to
Pam
design
team.
G
B
F
J
Morning,
everyone
so
I
I'm.
Looking
at
this
and
I
see
the
downtown
I.
Sorry
I,
see
the
activation
of
federal
ally
is
interesting,
I,
don't
think
Wall
Street's,
a
very
good
comparison,
I
think
ranking
Avenue
is
probably
a
better
comparison.
As
far
as
what
type
of
environment
we
might
be
creating
here
and
I,
see
those
stalls
and
I
when
I
think
about
sort
of
rungs
on
the
ladder
and
ways
to
you
know,
ways
to
bring
goods
to
market.
J
This
is
a
nice
small
footprint
that
can
really
help
fill
in
some
of
the
some
of
the
gaps
were
or
when
people
try
to
engage
in
commercial
activity.
So
nice
and
small
and
affordable
a
great
place
that
for
people
to
start,
but
there's
some
functional
concerns,
I
have
about
this
where's,
the
closest
bathroom.
J
I
very
much
like
the
old
designs
with
with
the
potential
for
live-work
spaces
and
the
sort
of
activation
in
of
in
sort
of
a
European
sense
of
the
sort
of
cozy
of
the
sort
of
cozy
alley
and
that
could
potentially
be
bustling
and
also
have
eyes
on
the
street
and
people
who
were
living
right
there
and
caring
and
for
their
for
that
neighborhood.
So
I
think
that's
a
significant
I
think.
That's
a
significant
loss
and
I
think
that
you're
gonna
have
in
the
future.
J
You're
gonna
have
more
management
problems
on
that
Street
without
having
residences
there,
and
that's
gonna
be
something
that
the
developer
won't
have
to
take
care
of.
It's
gonna
be
something
the
city
is
gonna,
be
looking
at,
so
that's
I
think,
certainly
a
concern
that
we
that
we
should
look
with.
We
should
note
that
the
loss
of
this
of
that
so
and
so
another
question
I
was
like
who
obviously
like
this
is
private
property,
but
who
is
gonna?
Who
is
manage
their
on-site
management
for
this?
Is
it
going
to
be?
J
What
is
the
accessibility
for
members
of
the
public
who
want
to
get
from
Cox
Avenue
to
Ashland
Avenue,
which
right
now,
it's
very
difficult
to
do?
There's
a
so
there's
a
matter
of
connectivity
that
we
can
think
about
that
we
could
be
gaining
here,
and
that
would
definitely
help
future
development
that
we
should
be
thinking
about
on
Ashland
as
far
as
getting
pedestrians
from
Cox
up
to
Ashland.
I
know
that
that,
from
an
ad
a
perspective,
that's
unlikely
because
of
the
grade,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
shouldn't
have
any
access
there.
J
So
those
are
those
are
sort
of
my
my
concerns
and
a
lot
has
to
do
with
just
the
four
and
a
half
acres
site.
There's
not
very
many
of
these
in
the
downtown
area
that
we're
gonna
review
and
there's
a
lot
of
pieces
of
missing.
There's
a
lot
of
missing
potential
here
as
far
as
creating
the
downtown
of
the
future.
That
I
think
we
could
deal
with
the
site
of
this
size.
Thank
you.
C
Hi,
this
is
Robin
rain.
My
comments
are
mostly
regarding
the
massing
and
the
elevations
of
Ashland.
I
did
have
one
question
about
the
parking
garage.
What
do
the
doors
look
like
when
they're
closed
I
know
you're
not
going
to
answer
that
right
now,
but
if
they're
not
rented,
what
do
what
do
you
see
when
you
walk
down
federal
alley
and
now
back
to
the
massing
and
the
elevation?
Looking
at
this
view?
C
In
particular,
the
part
that's
most
interesting
to
me
is
the
parking
garage
and
I
think
it's
because
there's
so
much
of
the
white
and
and
balcony
and
I
think
the
white
and
balcony
is
a
nice
piece,
but
I
think
it
gets
diluted
because
it's
used
so
much
so
looking
down
Ashland,
it's
a
very
horizontal
scheme.
I
feel
like
your
eyes
drawn
horizontally
and
I
feel
like
there
are
several
places.
C
Maybe
a
entry
point,
maybe
we're
the
garage
entry
is
to
pop
it
up
even
more
vertically,
maybe
to
change
the
window
pattern,
maybe
to
change
the
way
the
balconies
are
oriented
to
give
give
you
a
break
from
all
the
and
horizontality,
and
there
are
I
think
it
would
be.
A
stronger
scheme
if
it
could
become
a
more
distinct
building
like
the
office
scheme,
was
I
felt
like
that
was
strong,
because
you
can
see
this
part
and
this
part,
and
it
made
you
feel
like
it
was
a
separate
building
which
it
was.
C
It
made
the
white
section,
that's
residential,
more
interesting
to
look
at,
but
I
feel
like
it
just
it
gives
you
eyes
the
team
right
now,
because
it
is
quite
repetitive,
so
I
always
look
at
some
introducing
even
more
differences
between
the
sections
in
this
area.
I
think
it
could
make
the
project
stronger
and
I.
Think
that
might
be.
Oh
all,
I
have
thing
Thank.
K
K
I
do
agree
with
Andrew
that
you
know
public
restrooms
would
be
highly
desirable
here,
although
I
realize
that's
not
really
the
developers
responsibility,
but
it
would
be
a
really
nice
amenity
for
the
future
and
also
I
also
agree
with
Andrew
that
some
kind
of
connectivity
you
know
between
talks
and
the
higher
elevation
would
be
very
desirable
in
that
area.
Also,
that's
it.
L
Yeah
I
also
questioned
the
functionality
of
the
pop-up
spaces,
although
I
really
like
those
pop-up
spaces,
I,
think
it's
exciting
to
see
that
but
I
know
from
The
Grove
arcade
in
their
merchants,
there's
going
to
have
to
be
internet
access
because
most
people
use
squares
for
sales
and
so
in
a
parking
garage.
I,
don't
know
whether
you
would
have
that
internet
access,
and
you
would
also,
if
you're
talking
about
pop-ups
for
food
trucks,
you
would
also
need
restrooms
and
access
to
water.
L
So
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
able
more
thought
into
what
actually
happens
there.
I
would
like
to
know
when
you
actually
enter
off
of
I.
Think
sage
asked
the
question
about
a
DA
accessibility
as
you're
walking
through
those
buildings
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
general
public
going
to
be
able
to
walk
into
those
buildings
to
get
to
the
upper
levels
of
Ashland
Avenue
or,
if
that's
going,
to
be
limited
to
office,
tenants
and
residents.
Only
and
those
are
my
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Thank
You
Ruth
I'm,
not
sure
who's
driving
this
design,
but
if
you
could
slide
it
over
and
show
us
that
thoroughfare
the
walkway
connectivity,
so
my
understanding
is
there
is
a
connection.
Point
aerial
would
be
fine,
there's
a
connection
point
connecting
Ashland
and
Cox
and
if
I
recall,
I
followed
this
design
through
pnz
last
time
and
TMZ
came
out
pretty
strong
on
that
connectivity
and
should
they
agree
to
keep
it
open.
However,
the
plan
as
I
understand
it
from
a
previous
meeting,
is
that
it's
dark
it
will
be
closed
and
gates
will
go.
B
It
will
go
up
now.
I
think
that's
something
that's
I
mean
by
general
rule.
You
can
do
what
you
want
on
private
property,
but
this
is
a
conditionally
stone
project.
So
we
could
recommend
to
council
that
that
be
something
they
consider
that
that
functionality
or
connectivity
be
24
hours
a
day
or
whatnot
something
to
consider,
but
to
the
ad
a
point
it
does
not
go
throughout
the
entire
project.
It's
just
that
one
track
because
of
the
elevation
change,
so
I
have
a
couple
questions
I'm
curious.
What
is
the
overall
square
footage
now?
B
Not
including
parking
deck
somewhere
in
here
is
where
you
tip
into
meeting
a
public
art,
installation,
I,
don't
know
what
that
is.
Are
there
any
statues
or
anything?
Does
anybody
remember
that
rule
I
think
after
a
certain
hundred
thousand
square
feet,
we
have
to
have
a
statue
or
something
so
that
might
be
something
we
need
to
look
into.
B
We
would
hate
to
set
us
up
for
failure
really
because
this
could
be
a
great
example
of
on-street
pop-up
merchandising,
especially
in
a
pandemic
time,
but
if
it
can't
be
used
or
it's
miserable
to
be
there,
then
it's
a
fail
and
I
would
love
to
see
if
you
are
able
to
pull
up
what
Robin
mentioned.
The
visual
of
those
doors
closed
if
you
have
that
that
would
be
great
to
bring
up
while
I
look
at
my
other
questions.
B
Okay,
maybe
something
you
could
put
into
your
design
for
PNG.
There's
been
a
lot
of
activity
around
tree
loss
and
I'm
curious.
What
the
number
of
trees
going
in
is
I,
don't
necessarily
not
focus
on
the
net,
because
we
know
this
projects
moving
for,
but
I'm
wondering
how
many
trees
are
being
planted.
I.
F
H
Was
this
is
mass
browse
that
it
was
I
want
to
say
there
were
somewhere
around
30
37
trees
required
for
just
the
street
trees
and
the
parking
lot
buffer,
and
then
I
mean
that
the
parking
deck
buffer
on
the
north
side?
And
then
on
top
of
that
it
was
another
somewhere
in
the
140
150
tree
planting
so
net.
You
know
somewhere
in
the
180s
and
that
that's
a
mix
of
canopy
tall
trees
and
understory.
B
Sorry
I
had
muted
at
a
dog
park,
ecology
so
federal
alley
back
to
that
again
other
than
the
parking
jack
ambient
lighting
or
whatever
is
going
to
be
occurring.
There
is
there
any
on
street
lighting
they're.
B
F
You
know
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
obviously
you
know
work
with
with
Public
Works
and
understand
for
the
the
lighting
that
would
occur
there
at
the
parking
deck
while
we're.
You
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
conversation
about
this
and
I
did
want
to
clarify
for
my
conversations
with
the
developer
that
the
those
pop-up
places
you
have
full
utilities
as
well
as
internet
internet
access
is,
was
anticipated
and
not
an
issue
at
this
point
in
the
the
project.
F
You
know
we
feel
like
there's,
there's
on-site
management
at
the
place
when
we
feel
like
merchants
there's
opportunities
for
for
restaurants
for
the
the
merchants
working
there,
but
public
restrooms
are
not
currently
general
public.
Restrooms
aren't
aren't
in
the
mix
right
now,
but
the
folks
who
are
actually
you
know
using
those
spaces.
There's
there's
opportunity
there
as
well,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
those
concerns
were
very
valid
and
some
things
that
that
are
accommodating.
B
G
B
B
Levels:
okay,
just
making
sure
for
folks
that
are
listening,
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
I
do
want
to
I'm,
actually
really
thankful
that,
especially
after
this
pandemic,
that
commercial
space
that
we
know
is
going
to
be
changing.
So
I'm
really
thankful
that,
instead
of
just
mixing
the
building
that
you
actually
incorporated
residential
again
the
more
people
we
have
living
downtown,
the
better
and
safer
and
more
of
a
community,
we
have
so
I'm
glad
you
didn't
just
kind
of
mix
the
whole
building.
B
B
It
just
looks
so
monotonous
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
all
have
considered
I
know
you
did
this
motor
mile
throwback
on
Cox,
which
I
love,
but
is
there
any
chance
you're
looking
at
some
of
those
design
components
on
Ashland
or
that
you
could
I
mean
I
know
it's
integrated
cause
different
materials,
but
are
you
contemplating
trying
to
break
up
that
monotony
in
any
other
way?
Can.
B
M
Perfect
stay
right
where
you
are
Payton,
if
you
don't
mind
so
one
of
the
reasons
that
Cox
Avenue
works
is
that
you,
you
are
basically
breaking
up
that
mess
into
about
five
distinct
pieces.
So
you
see
on
the
image
on
the
screen.
You
see
the
kind
of
warehouse
lofty
look
on
the
left
inside
and
then
you've
got
your
kind
of
modern
metal
panel,
a
piece
and
then
you've
got
the
break
in
the
buildings
with
the
walkway.
M
And
then
you
have
another
modern
piece,
and
then
you
end
it
bookend
it
with
another
kind
of
throwback,
loft
factory,
industrial
ability.
So
you
you
end
up
with
that
short
a
much
shorter
piece.
You
end
up
with
five
distinct
masses
and
types
of
building,
whereas
only
on
the
other
side
it
ends
up.
Looking
like
about.
You
know
550
feet
of
same
saying
where,
where
you
had
it,
and
so
now,
Payton
with
him
on
flipping
around
to
the
other
side,
I'm,
not
gonna,
echo
anybody
else's
comments
on
the
on
the
garage
piece
except
to
say,
I.
M
Think
the
design
is
pretty
good
on
that
appreciate
that
so
Payton
I
thinking
just
in
general
in
plan
you,
you
have
a
couple
of
opportunities
and
echo
what
Robin
said
to
you
to
break
up
the
mass,
so
you've
already
got
functionally
you
have
and
from
this
scene,
you've
got
the
what
you're
gonna
have
your
corner
end
cap,
and
then
you
have
a
break
in
the
building
where
you
have
this
vehicular
entrance,
and
then
you
have
another
residential
piece
and
then
you're
gonna
have
in
plan
at
least
on
the
pedestrian
level.
M
You
have
the
main
entrance
that
gives
you
an
opportunity
to
break
the
building
up
and
then
another
residential
piece
and
the
break
in
the
building.
So
if
you
could
use
the
vehicular
entrance
and
the
pedestrian
entrance
to
really
introduce
some
totally
different
I
mean
not
just
subtly
different,
but
totally
different
architecture
in
those
two
pieces
begin
to
break
the
building
up
into
some
distinct
chunks.
M
I,
like
the
in
this
image
that
you
have
right
now,
this
your
corner
end
cap,
the
way
you
you
you
recessed
the
corner
and
then
you've
got
this
wide,
very
distinct
piece
that
kind
of
comes
up
and
ELLs
over.
That
is
the
most
successful
language
that
you
have
here
and
if
you
could
do
I
know,
you're
gonna
have
some.
Let
me
say
it
this
way.
M
You
you've
got
a
lot
of
guard
and
very
little
amount,
and
we
need
a
little
bit
more
about
until
really
on
break
this
building
up
because
right
now,
as
you
drive
down
Ashland,
it's
just
going
to
be
a
very
long
piece
of
char,
lanta,
plopped
down
in
the
middle
of
Asheville
and
so
again,
I
think
if
you
could
really
use
those
changes
in
function
in
plan
in
the
vehicular
pedestrian
to
introduce
some
really
different
differentiate.
These
this
mass
I
think
that
would
improve
your
design.
M
B
That's
great
feedback.
Thank
you
Brian
and
welcome,
aboard
well
said
and
I
captured
that
too.
So,
as
you
all
are
speaking
I'm
capturing
some
things
that
we
may
add
to
our
recommendation.
So
I
noted
that
as
well.
Anybody
else
had
questions
right
now
comments.
Ron,
do
you
got
your
hand
up?
Okay,
Pam
prawns,
II,
then
Pam.
B
N
Here
at
this
I'm
just
reiterate
the
activation
of
the
first
story
as.
N
An
opportunity
here
to,
as
we
expand
central
business
district
we
we
should,
you
know,
provide
more
places
for
people
to
you,
know,
enjoy
and
around
downtown
and
and
have
like
small
businesses
bribe,
and
it
also
would
bring
in
the
South
French,
Broad,
neighborhood
I
believe
create
a
community
filled
with
potential.
You
know
restaurants
and
coffee
shops,
so
it
would
be
nice
to
see
their
going
back
to
the
the
stalls.
N
It
was
a
really
good
point
about
the
lighting
in
the
parking
garage
being
24
hours
and
I
was
curious
if
there
was
any
thought
on
the
west
side
of
the
parking
garage
and
how
that
lighting
would
affect
the
residences
right
across
from
the
parking
garage
to
there,
and
you
know
in
if
you
had.
There
was
thinking
around
that.
If
that
could
be.
N
Did
have
a
question,
it
doesn't
I,
don't
know,
pertains
necessarily,
but
just
curious
I.
Don't
remember.
He
discussed
the
last
time
why
there
was
a
connection
between
some
of
the
buildings
and
not
others,
pacifically,
maybe
the
one
on
the
southwest
side
and
the
west
side
building
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
like
a
walkway
or
connection
in
the
air,
and
there
is
on
the
three
right
here
to
the
bottom
left.
My
left,
my
screen,
I.
E
B
I
This
is
Pamela
Claire
I
just
want
to
comment
on
the
pedestrian,
connector
access
and
I
think
it'd
be
fantastic
to
be
accessible
to
the
public
during
the
day,
but
if
I
was
living
there,
I
would
not
want
to
that
public
access
24
hours
a
day
and
have
some
pug
crawlers
walking
through
there
at
midnight
reveling,
while
I
was
trying
to
sleep.
So
I
could
definitely
see
that
closing
down
to
the
public
at
some
time
in
the
night
to
to
make
it
livable
for
the
residents
there.
B
I
think
I
can
see
you
all
it's
hard
to
tell
I,
have
lots
of
little
phone
icons
without
faces,
I
think,
because
the
screen
share
I
can't
actually
see
you
all.
Okay,
I
think
that
is
all
of
my
questions
as
well.
Let
me
just
review
I
did
want
to
point
out
just
for
information
sake.
The
pop-out
bays
are
18
feet,
deep,
which
is
almost
the
20
feet
that
we
want
in
a
liner.
B
O
Hey
this
is
wise,
it's
kind
of
jump
in
just
on
that
accessibility
to
pick
up
on
something
pan
just
said
so,
just
for
the
record
I'm
Wyatt,
Stevens
I'm,
a
lawyer
with
Robertson
Stephens
here
in
town
and
I,
represent
tribute
companies.
You
know
it's
a
privilege
to
be
back
in
front
of
this
group
with
this
project.
As
Chris
said,
the
this
is
a
family-owned
company,
they're
very
proud
of
this
project.
They're
excited
that
it's
moving
forward,
you
know,
is
it?
Is
it
perfect?
O
No,
it's
I
mean
it's
never
going
to
be
perfect,
but
it's
a
it's
a
really
good
project
and
they
tried
to
take
into
account
the
topographical
realities,
these
economic
realities,
to
build
a
project
that
will
create.
You
know
much-needed
residential
housing,
downtown,
including
you
know,
close
to
50,
affordable
units
and
I
hope.
That's
not
lost
in
all
of
this
process
had
had
we've
been
able
to
retain
the
liner
building.
O
This
would
have
been
a
staff
level
decision
of
the
fact
that
it's
going
all
the
way
back
when
an
electrical
process
is
that
that
addition,
together
with
the
ones
on
Ashland
sort
of
put
this
from
minor
modifications
to
a
site
to
major.
So
that's
why
we're
here,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
comments
we
heard
today
really
quite
helpful,
particularly
on
the
architectural
side.
Brian
I
was
paying
close
attention
to
your
comments
in
particular
and
I
trust
that
the
architectural
team
will
will
take
those
into
account
as
this
moves
forward.
O
This
is
not
necessarily
exactly
final,
as
it
will
look.
You
know.
One
of
the
challenges
with
conditional
zoning
is
that
you,
you
know
how
much
effort,
how
much
money
can
you
spend
on
the
front
end
to
design
your
buildings
because
inevitably
you're
going
to
get
in
and
discover
you
have
changes
either
because
of
the
site
or
because
of
cost
or
because
of
a
global
pandemic
right.
So,
but
but
all
of
those
comments
are
helpful.
They're
just
a
couple
I
want
to
address,
so
it's
clear
the
accessibility
through
the
site.
O
If
we
were
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
aerial
view
that
we
had
the
beginning-
and
you
can
picture
that
in
your
head-
you'll
you'll-
remember
that
this
site
is
kind
of
a
mess
and
it's
steep.
As
Chris
said
it's,
there
is
no
accessibility
between
yeah.
Look
at
this
I
mean
there's
nothing.
It's
just
a
it's
a
parking
lot,
that's
kind
of
rough
and
then
there
trees
and
then
there's
a
building
up
on
ass
home
that
there
is
no
connectivity.
O
What
this
project
will
do,
and
maybe
you
can
go
back
to
that
overview-
that
shows
it
as
as
built
it's
going
to
create
a
pathway,
a
beautiful
pathway
that
doesn't
currently
exist
from
Cox
at
Avenue
up
to
Ashland,
that's
going
to
be
an
urban
forest
with
nice
landscaping,
it's
going
to
really
be
a
remarkable
addition
to
this
part
of
town.
That
could
only
happen
with
an
owner
that
owns
all
of
this
and
is
willing
to
spend
the
kind
of
money
to
do
it
right.
O
It
would
be
good
for
the
residents,
but
it
will
also
be
good
for
the
neighborhood.
It
will
be
open
from
you
know,
sunrise
to
sunset,
dark,
not
just
not
just
sunset,
but
when
it
gets
dark,
because
this
Pam
noted
it's
a
real
safety
issue,
you
don't
want
revelers
coming
through
there.
We
don't
want
vagrants
coming
through
there
at
night
there
will
be
seven-day-a-week
management
of
this
site
bugs
that
live
on
site.
That
will
be
there
to
ensure
the
safety
of
the
residents
as
well
as
the
retail
customers.
O
But
you
know,
a
private
company
should
not
be
required,
in
my
opinion,
to
you
know,
have
armed
police
upon
a
private,
essentially
pathway
through
their
project
at
night,
and
so
what
will
happen
is
if
you're,
looking
at
the
ashkelon
side,
you
know
up
to
a
certain
point
as
you
go
underneath
that
nice
artistic
feature
where
you
enter
into
that
space
between
those
two
buildings,
you
know
there's
going
to
be
sort
of
a
plaza
area
that
will
be
open
at
night.
That
will
be
retail
activated.
O
E
O
And
you
could
go
in
to
the
law
offices
that
were
on
the
first
floor
as
well
as
BB&T,
and
it
was
not
uncommon
to
see
members
of
the
public
sort
of
pass
through
that
space.
It's
a
wonderful
location,
the
owners
of
the
building
put
in
local
art,
and
it's
really
a
nice
addition
to
this
part
of
the
city,
but
at
night
those
doors
are
locked
and
they
should
be
for
the
safety
of
the
folks
that
are
working
late
at
night.
O
O
It
may
be,
they
discover,
you
know
what
with
lighting
and
and
maybe
some
security,
it
can
be
open
even
later
at
night,
but
they
just
don't
want
that
to
be
a
condition
of
approval
of
this
project,
particularly
with
conditional
zoning
and
this
sort
of
permanent
requirement
at
you
know
that
that's
just
not
the
role
in
my
view
that
the
city
should
be
in
is
mandating
an
open
street
that
the
city
is
not
going
to
maintain.
You
know
it's
a
city
we're
going
to
step
in
and
and
police
that
area.
O
O
The
team
will
look
at
those
again
with
respect
to
the
parking
deck
and
the
lighting
I
would
just
say-
and
this
is
just
my
experience
if
you
go
down
to
the
Biltmore
park
and
you
see
all
those
parking
decks
that
are
lit
up
at
night,
there
are
a
lot
of
residents
or
units
down
there.
They
seem
to
co-exist
fairly
well,
so
there
clearly
is
a
way
to
have
a
lift
safe
parking
deck
that
doesn't
infringe
on
the
on
the
residence
nearby
and
I'm.
O
Confident
that
they'll
be
able
to
accomplish
that
here,
because
if
they
can't
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
lease
those
units,
so
I
think
that
will
take
care
of
itself
in
terms
of
the
the
commercial
days
they're
on
federal
ally
yeah,
they
will
have
access
to
restaurant
facilities
that
the
folks
that
are
using
those
and
and
they'll
have
utilities
don't
have
internet
as
Chris
said,
I,
don't
know
exactly
how
that
will
work
in
the
wintertime
and
that's
probably
yet
to
be
determined.
O
That's
the
type
of
detail
that
hopefully
can
be
incorporated
into
the
final
design,
but
it's
just
not
quite
ready
for
primetime
today,
but
you
know,
obviously
my
client
is
going
to
want
to
generate
revenue
and
have
activity
all
along
that
Street.
It's
good
for
the
overall
development
and
it's
good
economically.
So
I
would
just
just
mention
that
there's
a
you
know,
there'll
be
a
good
reason
to
try
to
address
some
of
those
very
legitimate
questions
that
were
raised.
O
But
again,
I
want
to
thank
this
group
for
gathering
it's
nice
to
see
many
of
you
again,
although
it's
only
virtually
but
this
is.
This
is
an
important
step
and
by
the
way
we
would
have
gone
to
this
step
of
regardless
of
whether
it
been
a
staff
level
review,
and
it
just
happens
that
this
project
will
go
on.
So
I
would
ask
that
you
consider
approving
this
project
with
some
recommendations.
O
J
About
that
well,
I'm,
like
I,
just
like
to
note
that,
like
obviously
requiring
a
private
property
developer
to
pay
for
armed
police
is
something
that
the
city
already
does
with
property
taxes
and
we
have
a
police
force.
Those
are
exactly
the
types
of
people
that
see
how
would
that
work?
We
already
have
a
police
force
to
look
after
these
types
of
issues
that
would
be
concerning.
In
addition,
there's
already
gonna
be
somebody
there.
That's
gonna,
be
opening
gate,
closing
the
gate.
J
You
know
so
that
they're
already
talking
about
a
managed
space
with
people
to
look
and
take
care
of
it.
So
I
I
see
no
burden
on
the
property
developed
extra
burden
on
the
property
developer,
to
manage
a
space
which
we
already
employ
a
police
force
to
manage
them
exactly
such
spaces
so
and
the
other
side
they
wouldn't
be.
You
know
they
wouldn't
necessarily
have
to
pay
for
pay
for
that
kind
of
thing
twice.
J
So
the
benefit
of
the
developer
as
well
I
think
if
we
can
get
if
we
can
just
get
a
little
better
activity
out
of
that
and
one
question:
is
there
a
future
for
that
parking
deck
that
doesn't
involve
parking
in
case
the
future
that
we
live
in
doesn't
need
as
many
cars
as
it
does
now?
What's
the
flexibility
on
that
structure,
it
is
a
future
downtown.
J
Commission
gonna
have
to
look
at
that
structure,
mostly
empty,
being
underutilized
when
it
could,
when
some
design
changes
to
it,
could
make
it
flexible
for
future
use,
I'm,
really
skeptical
of
any
single
use,
type
of
buildings,
it's
sort
of
big
box,
Best
Buy,
Walmart
type
of
thinking,
and
it
ends
up
not
being
really
good
for
future
development.
Thank
you.
B
F
You
know,
and
at
this
point
as
we've
been
working
with
the
parking,
deck
design
consultant
and
the
contractors
the
way
to
to
really
make
this
thing
move
forward
was
to
look
at
a
sloped
deck
I'm.
In
fact,
what
were
had
no
part
of
the
reason
that
we're
having
the
slope
like
that
was
we
really
had
to
push
him
cool
from
every
little
piece
of
this
thing.
F
Besides
sliding
up
to
federal
alley
to
gain
that
that
liner
building
depth
additional
depth,
we've
also
are
having
to
use
that
ramping
of
the
first
level
to
go
up
so
that
when
you
go
around
when
you
go
up
to
the
north
and
then
go
back
towards
Ashland,
we're
continuing
to
ramp
up,
so
that
our
excavation
in
that
deepest
part.
In
that
pinch,
point
where
those
cities
right
away
is,
is
so
excessively
wide
right
there.
F
We
really
needed
that
ramping
to
make
that
make
those
that
saw
now
and
the
foundations
of
the
excavation
work
if
we
had
not.
If
we
left
that
that
that
whole
area
would
be
another
15
plus
feet
in
the
ground,
and
and
was
just
the
loss
of
the
liner
building,
couldn't
make
up
that
that
additional
depth.
B
Okay,
here's
what
I
have
collected
for
potential
recommendations
in
the
effort
to
get
towards
emotion,
so
I
have
heard
repeated
concerns
about
the
Ashland
residential
since
we've
lost
that
commercial
structure
and
to
utilize
the
vehicular
entryway
and
the
pedestrian
entryway
along
Ashland
to
differentiate
the
massing.
Thank
you
to
Brian
for
those
words
I
heard
from
Pam
something
that
I
also
echo,
which
is
in
that
new
portion
of
residential
some
ground
floor,
actual
commercial
activation.
Instead
of
residential.
B
On
that
ground
floor,
we
heard
ways
to
minimize
the
24-hour
deck
lighting
and
the
impact
on
residential
buildings
nearby,
and
we
heard
quite
a
bit
about
the
pop-up
space
and
what
I
captured
is
a
potential
recommendation
to
ensure
that
amenities
are
available
year-round
to
ensure
that
there
is
safe
and
accessible
and
usable
pop-up
space
did
I
capture
everyone
concerns
or
potential
recommendations.
I'm
not
saying
those
will
be
with
the
motion,
but
did
that
address
everyone?
Issues.
B
Ok,
I'm
not
hearing
any
nose.
Okay,
then
I
am
going
to
I.
Am
sage
Turner
I'm,
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
move
to
recommend
the
approval
of
the
design
for
the
development
at
Cox
in
Ashland,
including
the
following
recommendations,
which
I
will
repeat.
We
utilize
the
developers
utilizes
the
vehicular
entryway
and
pedestrian
entryway
along
Ashland
to
differentiate
the
massing
of
the
residential
component
that
the
developer
can
add,
ground-floor
activation
under
residential
on
Ashland
that
efforts
are
made
to
minimize
the
24
hour.
B
B
M
K
I
have
a
comment
about
the
activation
of
the
first
floor
on
Ashland
Avenue.
Just
just
a
comment
for
the
developer
is
you
might
take
a
look
at
what
they've
done
on
the
Lexington
Lexington
Street
project
with
the
work
live
units
there
I
think
there's
eight
units
there
behind
the
aloft
hotel,
and
that
might
be
something
you
would
consider,
is
something
like
that.
You
know
I
realize
it's
not
going
to
be
like
a
full
retail
type
activation,
but
that
is
seems
to
be
working
pretty
well
there
on
Lexington
Street.
B
B
B
J
F
K
B
Rhonda
Darin
I'm
Pamela,
Winkler,
I'm,
Robin
rain,
I'm,
Ruth
Summers
by
a
9:00
last
stage,
Turner
I,
all
right.
It
has
passed
design
team.
We
thank
you
for
your
time
today.
You
are
welcome
to
stay
and
watch
the
rest
of
our
virtual
meeting.
We
understand
if
you'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
exit.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Everyone,
good
luck!
With
the
next
phase
of
sort
of
running
review.
B
H
K
R
S
S
B
R
Well,
mine
I
have
the
door
closed,
but
she'll
start
scratching
on
the
door
if
it
starts
to
thunder.
B
R
R
R
B
Robin,
okay,
maybe
we're
all
here.
Are
we
all
here
yeah
we're
all
back?
Okay,
great,
it's
hard
to
tell,
but
we
are
back
everybody
ready.
So
for
those
of
you
who
may
be
listening
at
home,
we
are
on
the
next
section
of
the
agenda,
which
is
under
Section
1,
which
is
presentations,
item
3,
the
hotel
moratorium
and
it's
an
update,
we'll
be
hearing
from
city
staff,
safety,
merton
and
your
up
safety.
R
All
right,
Thank,
You
sage,
I'm,
Stacy,
Martin
planner,
with
the
Department
of
planning
and
urban
design,
long-range
planning
manager
and
I'm
here
to
talk
just
give
you
a
little
brief
update
on
where
we
are
with
the
hotel
development
study.
The
dill
was
also
here,
he's
gonna,
be
covering
a
few
of
the
slides
as
well
so,
and
he
can
help
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
so
the
first
thing
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
bring
everybody
up
to
date
on
where
we
are
with
the
timeline.
R
Of
course,
the
moratorium
went
into
effect
back
last
September
and
a
lot
it
does.
It's
been
quite
a
year,
so
it
seems
like
a
long
time
ago,
but
then,
of
course,
we
brought
in
Uli
over
the
winter
that
we
had
a
few
public
meetings
back
in
January
and
February,
and
we
also
then,
once
we
got
the
final
report
from
Uli.
R
We
had
a
work
session
with
City
Council
and
although
they
did
have
quite
a
few
recommendations
in
their
report
for
just
this
year,
we're
focusing
on
this
regulatory
update
and
that's
what
we're
kind
of
trying
to
get
all
that
in
place
before
the
end
of
the
Laura.
So
we're
really
in
the
second
phase
of
the
project.
R
At
the
end
of
the
presentation,
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
next
steps
and
some
other
options
that
we
might
have
so
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
background
really
before
I
turn
this
over
to
Badillo.
He's
gonna
cover
the
regulations
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
I
wanted
to
highlight
some
of
the
major
issues
that
were
raised
during
the
Uli
technical
assistance
panel
process
and
how
the
Sabbath
attempted
to
structure
the
ordinance
to
address
these
issues.
R
So
you
know,
we
really
heard
that
there
is
a
need
to
balance
the
economic
benefits
of
tourism
and
hotel
development
with
other
community
needs.
We
know
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
like
hotels,
but
we
also
really
do
need
to
have
provide
for
that
land
use
in
the
city,
so
we
are
working
to
balance
those
concerns.
R
We
also
heard
that
predictability
and
transparency
are
really
important,
and
so
you'll
see
that
on
that,
some
other
thing
that
we're
trying
to
address
in
the
ordinance
we've
heard
a
lot
about
design
and
I
know.
This
is
something
that
this
Commission
is
really
involved
in,
but
certainly
the
impact
of
hotels
on
the
Asheville
skyline
is
to
be
streetscape
are
really
important.
We're
trying
to
address
those
issues
as
well
and
then
just
kind
of
general
quality
of
life
issues.
R
So
what
you'll
see
is
that
our
proposal
at
that's
in
a
very
bad
form
still,
but
we
are
proposing
an
overlay
where
we
would
introduce
hotels
and
select
with
the
city
and
Padilla's
going
to
go
over
that
a
little
bit.
We
are
developing
guidelines
and
standards
that
will
guide
new
hotels
in
those
overlays
and
I.
Think
the
most
innovative
thing
that
we're
trying
to
introduce
are
this
idea
of
public
benefits
as
an
incentive
based
way
to
meet
the
community's
goals
and
again
also
to
create
more
predictability
in
the
development
process.
R
So
fadila
is
going
to
go
over
some
of
the
more
details
of
the
overlay
district
and
the
public
benefits.
Then
we
can
will
circle
back
and
I'll.
Do
some
follow-up
conversation
great.
S
Yeah,
my
name
is
vigil,
I
saw
it
occur
with
planning
and
urban
design,
so
I'll
focus
on
downtown,
because,
presumably
that's
your
interests
to
begin.
We
are
proposing
a
overlay
district,
so
the
base
zoning
districts
and
all
the
existing
locations,
where
we're
proposing
to
allow
hotels
would
remain
the
same.
We're
just
adding
an
overlay
district
similar
to
historic
districts,
or,
if
you
know
the
Charlotte
Street
overlay
district.
There
would
be
new
regulations
imposed
if
you're
proposing
to
build
a
hotel.
S
S
The
idea
with
the
well
for
downtown,
primarily
the
area
is
mostly
blue.
There's
some
areas
that
only
would
allow
small
hotels,
but
just
so
you
know
the
the
starting
point
that
that
guided
our
decision
for
where
small
hotels
should
be
allowed
was
commercial
districts.
The
thinking
is,
if
we
allow
a
commercial
activity,
perhaps
its
its
use,
that
we
allow
there
are,
should
allow
a
small
hotel
and
it's
likely
that
that
will
change
already
reading
over.
We
have
already
more
than
eight
hundred
comments
and
thirty
two
hundred
responses.
S
B
S
S
S
So
this
has
to
do
with
how
the
site
operates
and
for
for
hotels.
A
lot
of
this
has
to
do
with
the
guest
drop-off
and
loading
how
the
pedestrian
ends
Prince's
are
required
and
a
mixing
of
ground
floor
activation,
which
again,
you
know,
is
more
more
relevant.
You
have
some
of
this
in
downtown,
but
we're
require
in
other
locations.
S
All
right
next
slide
the
newest
thing
that
we're
bringing
as
a
proposal
we'll
see
how
this
works
is
a
public
benefit
requirement
requirement.
So
the
idea
is
that
that
the
community
has
made
it
very
clear
that
we
need
more
from
hotels
and
what
we're
proposing
is
to
require
that
all
hotels
now
have
to
meet
a
certain
number
of
points
that
relate
to
public
benefits
and
certain
public
benefits
would
would
give
them
more
points
because
they're
more
difficult
to
achieve.
S
So
in
this
image
that
you
see
on
the
right
here
is
an
idea
for
how
that
could
work.
A
hotel
is
required
to
get
to
a
hundred
points
in
order
to
be
approved,
and
this
particular
scenario
would
allow
them
to
select
affordable
housing
whatever.
That
would
ultimately
mean,
so
they
would
provide
some
horrible
housing
units,
they
would
integrate
storm
water
mitigation
and
they
would
provide
a
shuttle
service.
S
You
know
as
part
of
their
their
ongoing
operations
and
and
that
would
allow
them
to
to
move
forward
and
to
to
get
their
permit.
So
that's
the
concept,
we're
still
really
working
out
the
details,
because
there
are
many
I
mean.
Even
if
we
just
look
at
you
know
the
the
first
affordable
housing.
You
know,
how
do
you
make
this
work
with
a
hotelier
who
is
not
really
providing
housing
right,
they're,
just
building
rooms
that
you
know
with
the
housing
you're
required
to
be
on-site
or
not?
S
What
what?
What
measure
would
we
allow
would
we
set
for
how
many
units
would
have
to
be
provided
and
so
there's?
So
there
are
lots
of
questions,
but
at
this
point
we're
trying
to
get
some
preliminary
feedback
on
the
concept
and
and
then
we
would
develop,
develop
and
refine
it
more
I
mean
we're
working
on
that
now,
but
we're
trying
not
to
go
too
far
until
we
get
more
input.
So
the
next
slide
shows
some
of
the
public
benefits
that
we've
identified
and
that
we've
heard
from
the
public
on.
S
S
R
Yeah
I'll
take
it
back
over
from
here,
thanks
fidella,
so
I
I
really
did
want
to
focus
a
lot
of
the
discussion
today
on
public
engagement
because,
as
I
said
at
the
beginning,
we're
sort
of
in
this
second
phase
now
a
public
engagement
and
earlier
this
week
we
did
launch,
as
Padilla's
mentioned,
we
had
but
I
think
it's
up
to
what
three
about
three
hundred
four
responses.
So
far
we
launched
the
survey
on
Tuesday
so
yeah.
Well,
three
thousand
responses,
I
think
like
three
hundred
individual
response
responses.
R
How
much
are
good
yeah
grabbing
about
75
a
day,
so
we're
doing
really
well
we're
getting
good
comments
and
we
really
it's
really
the
main
mechanism
that
we're
using
for
public
engagement.
So
we
encourage
you
to
take
the
survey
and
and
feel
free
to
pass
the
word
around
to
anyone
else
that
you
would
like
to
share
it
with,
but
we
also
we
do
have
other
public
engagement
planned.
We
will
be
doing
some
focus
group
meetings
towards
the
end
of
this
month.
Actually,
the
invitations
are
going
to
go
out
this.
R
A
lot
of
you
will
be
invited
to
participate
in
those
focus.
Group
meetings,
so
that's
the
other
sort
of
leg
of
this
second
round
of
public
engagement
and
then
we
we
will,
prior
to
those
focus
group
meetings,
will
have
the
draft
ordinance
ready
and
we'll
share
that
with
you
ahead
of
time
and
then
again
we'll
come
back
to
you
when
I
get
back.
Let
me
go
on
to
the
next
slide
Dina.
R
R
So
we
were
planning
to
come
to
you
next
month,
but
we
were
also
trying
to
get
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
next
month,
as
well,
at
least
for
an
initial
review
with
them,
and
it's
possible
that
there
may
be
a
second
meeting
in
August
with
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
and
then
I'm,
making
a
final
vote
in
early
September,
bye-bye,
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
and
then
to
City
Council
in
layer
in
September.
We
will.
R
B
R
You
want
answer
that
one
the
deal
I
can
I
can
even
handle
that
one.
Actually,
if
you
take
the
survey,
that's
really
the
best
way.
The
survey
has
a
interactive
map
and
you
can
zoom
into
the
map
and
it
and
you
can
pinpoint
specific
locations
and
comment
on
whether
or
not
you
think
that
you
know
it's
appropriate
or
not.
So
that's
the
best
tool
for
you
to
use
to
relay
your
comments
to
us
and
for
you
to
also
see
close
up
what
the
areas
are
perfect.
Thank.
I
R
B
S
Can
you
know
it's
not
the
that
makes
it
a
little
bit
challenging
because
you
have
to
go
into
the
survey
and
then
and
then
scroll
forward
to
the
question
that
you
that
shows
the
map,
so
we
could
provide
a
separate
link
to
the
public
that
allows
them
just
to
to
read
to
review
those
on
a
mapping
app.
Thank.
J
Hi,
so
I
I
want
to
follow
up
with
Pam's
concern
to
you,
like
I
would
like
to
see
block
by
block.
If
I
can
do
that
through
the
survey.
That's
that's
great,
but
but
yeah
I
really
want
to
go
to
see
block
by
block
how
you
know
where
the
potential
for
these
uses
could
be.
The
other
question
I
have
is
but
I
think
it's
very
interesting.
The
public
benefit
sort
of
matrix
I
wonder
if
staff
has
gone
through
and
scored
any
past
projects
just
to
see
as
a
baseline,
for
where
we're
at
to
see.
J
Well,
you
know:
would
this
be
just
like
creating
a
scoring
system
that
would
that
that
would
sort
of
get
more
of
the
same,
or
is
it
a
scoring
system?
That
really
could
do
these?
You
know
get
these
new
public
benefits.
I
know.
I'm
thinking,
I
mean
I.
Think
that
sort
of
the
reason
that
we're
all
here
right
now
is
the
flat
iron
and
when
I
look
at
the
scoring
system,
I
go
through
it
and
I
may
be
wrong
here,
but
I
would
score
the
flat
iron
at
50
points
and
I.
J
Don't
feel
great
about
that.
I,
don't
feel
that
that's
a
50
point
project,
but
because
the
end
of
that
adaptive,
reuse
of
a
historic
structure
is
50
and
displacement
of
business
and
housing
is
negative.
20
I've,
displacement
of
business
and
housing
can
mean
so
so
many
different
things
in
thinking
about
this
I
first
thought
it
was
like
well
what
about
51
merriman
okay,
so
you
had
two
businesses
that
were
displaced,
51
grill
and
the
gas
station.
The
other
building
on
that
site,
I
believe
was
had
been
abandoned,
a
old
Italian
restaurant.
J
So
it's
two
businesses,
but
when
you
look
at
the
flat
iron
there's
70
businesses,
the
fact
that
those
two
things
would
be
scored
the
same
I,
don't
really
think
it's
that
I
really
don't
think
it
achieves
the
policy
goals
that
we're
looking
at,
which
is
but
that
we
that
we
want
to.
If
we're,
if
we're,
if
we're
evaluating
those
things,
is
the
same.
So
I
really
think
if
we're
gonna
use
this
place
when
the
housing
is
a
negative
points,
which
I
think
is
which
I
think
is
good,
it
happened.
J
Well,
extenuating
circumstances
showed
up
and
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
now
the
rest
of
this
process
is
going
to
be
rushed
and
we're
not
gonna
get
another
chance
at
this
for
a
long
time-
and
this
is
one
of
the
major
issues
of
economic
quality
of
life
land
use
that
we're
dealing
with
as
a
city
and
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
get
another
run
at
this
anytime
soon.
So
I
think
it's
very,
very
important
that
we
get
it
right
and
if
the
pandemic
is
have
is
of
extenuating
circumstances
that
can
extend
the
moratorium.
J
M
Okay,
you
want
us
all
to
talk,
and
then
let
them
respond.
Is
that
as
good
as
anything
okay,
perfect
I
actually
went
through
the
survey,
and
so
I
had
I
think
the
way
that
you're
doing
the
map
I
generally
agree
with
the
overlay
I.
Would
echo
Andrew
in
that
this
public
that
the
the
way
you're
it's
going
to
be
the
details
and
how
this
public
benefit
thing
works.
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
way
to
do
it.
M
M
I
agree
with
Andrew
that
you
know
you're
really
only
going
to
get
one
bite
at
this
Apple
and
so
I
think
it
needs
to
be.
We've
got
to
do
this
correctly.
I
think
the
surveys
actually
I
think
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
comments.
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
read
through
the
comments.
Some
of
them
are
kind
of
fun.
M
There's,
no,
obviously,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
thoughts
on
this
I
advised
my
architecture,
friends
to
log
on
here
and
let's
push
up
architectural
design
as
high
as
possible
in
these
try
to
load
this
survey
up,
but
I
generally
appreciate
your
approach.
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do
I
think
we
all
need
to
really
get
in
here
and
help
this
task
force
dig
into
the
details
of
how
things
are
going
to
be
scored
and
maybe
I'll
allow
this
to
be
a
little
more
granular
historic
preservation.
What
does
that
mean
again?
M
Displacing
businesses?
Well,
there's
some!
You
know
what,
if
they
displace
an
office
depot,
that's
kind
of
awesome
and
they
should
be
rewarded,
so
you
know,
but
I,
in
other
words,
I
think
we
should
be
real.
Granular
and
how
some
of
this
is
done
and
again
allow
for
some
predictability
in
the
process.
For
everybody
say
no,
oh
hush,
Thanks,
good
work.
B
I,
am
wondering
about
ground
floor
activation,
so
in
my
promotion,
as
the
community
became
more
and
more
upset
about
the
hotels,
I'm
thinking
more
about
the
philosophy
of
what
was
happening
to
them
and
I
heard
some
folks
saying
they
just
saw
too
many
tourists
but
on
a
land
use
perspective,
I
felt
like
people
were
losing
chunks
of
downtown
and
I
say
that
like
Hyatt
is
always
the
example
I'd
go
to
so
the
Hyatt.
Had
it
was
three
brothers
restaurant.
B
It
was
this
place
that
the
public
could
go
to
the
Hyatt
went
up
and
you
other
than
like
going
in
the
entrance
and
using
an
elevator
to
that
sky
bar
you
never
go
on
that
property
again,
it
got
that
we
were
cool
in
the
front
and
they
frosted
the
glass.
So
it's
like
a
loss
of
real
estate
and
I
think
that's
an
impact
that
it's
hard
for
people
to
put
into
words,
but
it's
something
they're,
definitely
feeling!
B
So
if
we
don't
have
ground
floor
activation,
then
we're
essentially
giving
block
of
downtown
or
in
hotels
anywhere
to
people
other
than
our
community.
Just
visitors,
so
I
feel
pretty
strongly
about
the
ground
floor
activation
in
general,
I'd
like
to
see
it
on
these
public
benefits,
Brian
I
think
you
made
a
great
point
about
the
displacement
of
some
businesses
might
be
way
differently.
I'm
curious
to
know,
Brian
your
input
not
a
30
day,
but
going
forward
as
the
chair
of
historic,
Resources
Commission.
B
If
you
felt
that
adaptive
reuse
was
worth
50
points,
I
think
that's
an
interesting.
It's
a
high
number
and
I
think
as
Andrew
said
it
would
have
it
changes
the
Flatiron
entirely
other
things,
I
am
concerned
and
I,
don't
know
what
comes
after
this
step
that
we're
reviewing
right
now,
but
one
of
the
goals
for
the
moratorium
that
I
think
everyone
was
hoping
to
hear
is
what's
too
much
like.
Where
is
the?
Where
is
too
much
hotel?
Is
there
a
number?
Is
there
a
you
know?
B
B
They'll
know
how
I'm
approached
of
building
one
as
opposed
to
guessing
and
the
shooting
in
the
dark,
so
I'm
wondering
if
we're
going
through
the
I
don't
know
sorting
through
that.
Somehow
I
was
so
I
also
think
when
the
downtown
Commission
brought
this
up
and
we
you
know,
we
repeatedly
requested
this
process
long
before
it
happened
and
we
kept
referencing.
The
Charleston
lodging
hospitality
something
tourism
study
they
had.
We
have
it
saved,
we
don't
we
presented
it
in
previous
meetings.
B
I
can
send
it
to
staff
again
but
I'm,
hoping
that
that
is
some
kind
of
study
we
get
that
we
don't
just
create
an
ordinance
and
throw
it
into
that
thousand
page
book
and
only
developers
look
at
it.
What
I'm
hoping
is
more
of
a
comprehensive
study
of
where
the
benefit
and
the
cons
to
tourism
and
that's
what
that
Charleston
study
does
I'm
happy
to
share
it
with
you.
So
I'm
hoping
that's
in
our
scope,
I
loved
the
location-based
point,
I
think
Brian.
B
You
brought
that
up
the
points
for
preferring
where
hotels
go
as
opposed
to
just
allowing
them
universally
in
all
these
gold
or
brown
or
blue
zones.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
should
absolutely
look
at
and
create
incentive
points
for.
I
was
a
little
concerned
to
hear
about
the
affordable
housing.
B
So
we
need
housing
downtown.
We
need
portions
of
it
to
be
affordable
if
we
just
let
hotels
come
in
and
throw
money
into
the
housing
trust
fund.
Well,
I'm.
Also,
the
chair
of
housing
of
housing,
affordability,
committee
and
we
I'm
not
sure
that
we
utilize
that
see
as
best
as
we
could
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
want
housing
somewhere
pockets
in
the
other
parts
of
the
city
and
that
it
shouldn't
be
mixed.
Mixed
used
is
kind
of
the
way
of
the
future,
so
I'm
curious
about
how
we
move
forward
on
that
and
I
hope.
B
Is
this
like
a
canvas
thing
plastered
on
the
side
of
the
wall?
You
know
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
lot
more
detail
and
maybe
that's
the
goal,
but
those
are
my
first
thoughts.
Oh
and
one
last
one.
We
may
need
three
tiers
of
sizes,
seven
to
twenty
rooms
and
twenty
plus
I
think
we've
been
here
before
right.
We
went
from
I
think
it
was
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet
to
a
hundred
rooms.
B
M
M
B
B
I
think
that's
hard
to
codify,
but
you
know
if
we
start
looking
at
if
we
knew
what
was
too
much,
if
we
knew
200
hotels
was
too
much
or
five
thousand
rooms
with
too
much
or
whatever
it
is,
we
might
change
the
way
we
outline
these
requirements,
because
if
we
knew
we
only
wanted
to
have
two
thousand
more
rooms,
we
might
want
ten
of
them
to
have
two
hundred
rooms
versus
twenty
of
them
to
have
fewer.
You
know
what
I
mean
there
were
locations
of
hotels
versus
putting
them
everywhere
and
being
smaller.
K
K
I
mean
the
main
thing
I'm
hearing
from
people
is
that
they
just
don't
want
to
see
anymore
of
these
giant
hotels
in
the
CBD
I
think
that
the
the
small
hotels
you
know
would
probably
be
acceptable
in
a
lot
of
places,
but
these
big
hotels
really
and-
and
you
also
mentioned
this-
that
you
know
the
big
hotels
they
really
kind
of
take
a
whole
chunk
out
of
your
downtown
and
I-
think
that's
one
of
the
objections
that
people
really
have
about
it.
So
I
think
when
you
look
at
pulling
back
the
overlay.
K
That's
really
what
you're
gonna
have
to
be
doing
is
really
pulling
back
a
lot
of
this
from
downtown.
The
other
thing
which
I
haven't
really
heard
mentioned:
Briony
kind
of
mentioned
a
little
bit
about
the
architectural
design
of
these
buildings
and
I.
Hear
that
a
lot
is
people
just
do
not
like
the
design.
You
know
from
an
aesthetic
point
of
view
of
a
lot
of
these
hotels.
You
know
I
hear
the
indigo
and
the
aloft
mentioned
a
lot
that
you
know.
Asheville
is
a
very
architectural
town
and
these
hotels
are
really
especially
the
giant
ones.
K
You
know
are
really
contributing
negatively
to
our
architectural
texture
here
in
Asheville,
so
maybe
that
might
be
something
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
too,
and
that
might
be
a
job
actually
for
this
commission
to
participate
in
that
I.
Think
it's
not
as
much
of
a
concern
in
that
other
areas
of
the
city,
but
definitely
in
downtown
I,
think
that's
a
factor.
We
need
to
take
a
look
at
that's
all.
B
Hear
you,
though,
because
I
look
at
that
and
on
a
battery
park
and
kind
of
wince
every
time
great
point
about
architectural.
The
other
thing
I've
caught
in
there
is
maybe
signage.
Y'all
were
number
172
create,
came
forward
and
I
assume
they'll
be
back,
but
they
had
this
really
because
of
their
size.
They
were
so
tall.
They
had
this
like
very
purple,
signage
and
I.
Wonder
if
we
want
to.
We
already
have
a
very
complicated
signage
ordinance,
encyclopedia
I'll
call
it
huge,
but
I
wonder
if
hotels
should
have
some
kind
of
different
signage.
B
N
N
Is
fancy
I
agree
with
you
know,
I.
Think,
there's
a
lot
of
good
thought
going
into
all
of
this.
I'm,
really
glad
that
we're
kind
of
rebuilding
how
you
know
we're
looking
at
hotels
and
looking
at
and
critically
I
was
curious
about.
You
know
how
communes
are
locally
owned,
an
independent
in
this
as
much
as
possible.
N
So
you
know,
is
there
some
way
we
can
give
points
to
folks
who,
not
only
you
know,
activate
the
ground
floor
but
prioritize
locally
owned,
independent
businesses
in
some
way
you
know
just
to
mirror
the
comp
plan
and
how
important
these
businesses
are.
I
mean
you
know
again,
it's.
Is
it
really
that
much
of
a
wonderful
to
have
like
a
big
chain
restaurant
downtown,
competing
with
our
locally
owned,
independent
businesses
and
in
restaurants,
or
is
it
more
important
to
have
you
know
space
for
another
locally
owned
business?
N
Also,
just
thinking
about
the
the
points?
Maybe
there's
a
way
to
do.
You
know
five
hundred
point
system,
you
know
building
in
different
aspects,
and
then
you
know
with
a
threshold
of
having
to
meet
at
least
300
of
them.
You
know
just
to
give
it
a
little
more
room
in
consideration
for
different,
different
things,
and
then
you
know
thinking
about
the
new
world
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
build
now
and
what
we
want
ownership
and
equity
to
look
like.
N
Could
we,
you
know,
be
a
community
that
prioritizes
the
you
know,
rewarding
more
access
to
ownership,
local
ownership
and
and
equity.
So
and
I,
don't
know
what
that
would
look
like,
but
you
know
matched
if
we
had
co-op
motels
or
community
owned
hotels
for
work
or
owned.
Hotels
and
I
know
that
that
might
seem.
N
You
know
crazy
or
unattainable
in
the
capitalist
system
that
we
live
in,
but
I
think
that
as
a
community,
we
really
really
need
to
look
at
opportunities
to
create
more
local
ownership
and
control
and
expand
that
drastically.
So
this
is
another
opportunity
where
we
can
plug
it
in,
even
if
it's
something
that
we
don't
see
right
now
or
today
of
tomorrow,
we
might
be
one
of
the
first
communities
to
prioritize
those
types
of
things
and
we
will
benefit
from
it
absolutely
and
be
a
community.
Notah
is
more
resilient
for
the
future.
N
Last
thing
a
public
space
may
be,
you
know,
I
know
a
couple
of
hotels
that
we
looked
at
in
the
past
have
created
more
about
the
green
space
kind
of
similar
to
what
we
just
looked
at
for
the
public
use
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
when
a
hotel.
We
looking
at
the
Flatiron,
also
I,
think
one
of
the
complaints
about
that
was.
You
know
the
way
that
it
would
intrude
on
space
that
is
supposed
to
be
public
space,
and
so
maybe
taking
away
points
for
minimizing
access.
E
N
J
You
know
I
just
like
to
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
is
you
know
we
need
to
talk
about
land
use
and
is
really
talking
about
the
economy,
because
how
we
use
our
land
is
ends
up
being
what
type
of
economic
activity
we
have
and
different
types
of
economic
activity
on
live
different
characteristics
in
our
city.
We
went
from
having
the
second
lowest
unemployment
in
the
state
to
the
second
highest
when
we
continued.
J
If
we
continue
to
go
down
this
path
of
single
economy,
investment
and
this
plan
does-
and
this
does
not
address-
you
know-
it
does
not
address
that-
then
you
know
we're
gonna
continue
to
have
problems.
You
know
if,
when
I
read
when
I
read
from
City
Council's
20:36
vision,
but
it
says
plentiful,
educational
options,
workforce
development,
access
to
capital,
economic
incentives
and
the
culture
that
values
homegrown
booze
is
maker
activity.
J
A
diverse
economy
is
stronger
when
we,
because,
as
we've
seen,
we
are
one
crisis
away
from
twenty
percent
unemployment
and
other
cities
are
not
suffering
like
we
are,
and
if
we
continue
to
go
down
this
path,
then
it's
we're.
Gonna
do
this
again
and
it's
gonna.
It's
going
to
have
serious
human
impacts
on
on
people
by
continuing
to
invest
in
in
this
in
this
industry.
So
I
really
want
us
to
think
about
the
the
big
picture
about
this.
J
You
know
how
and
how
we
can
create
a
resilient
economy
and
I
and
I
don't
believe
that
it's
by
investing
in
a
single
in
a
single
industry
and
oh
and
yes,
we
have
to
make
land-use
decisions
that
will
hopefully
incentivize
developers
to
use
those
buildings
for
more
for,
for
other,
for
other
purposes,
use
those
pieces
of
land
for
other
for
other
purposes.
And
if
that
is
not
an
outcome
of
this
plan,
then
I
think
we
have
again
missed
the
opportunity.
But
this
is
a
puzzle
piece
in
trying
to
make
a
resilient
economy
for
folks
here.
B
Thank
you,
Andrew.
That
makes
me
remember,
you
know
so
many
of
the
previously
conditionally
approved
hotels
held
up
living
wages
as
something
that
they
were.
Bringing
and
I
don't
see
that
on
the
public
benefit
and
I
notice.
How
many
things
statutorily
are
not
allowed
yeah
because
I'll
curious
to
see
how
all
this
pans
out
but
living
wage.
We
were
a
local
tenant.
Something
else
that
Hotel
years
have
already
offered
up
to
could
be
a
requirement
or
a
point.
B
M
I'd
like
to
respond
to
your
question
regarding
the
weather,
adaptive
reuse
is
worth
50
points.
If
you
there
was
one
of
the
slides
showed
that
actually
preservation
and
reuse,
and
so
I
would
say
it
would
depend
greatly
on
whether
it
was
an
adaptive
reuse,
whether
it
was
actually
a
preservation.
You
know
was
there
a
conservation
easement,
you
know
with
some
teeth
to
it
kind
of
kind
of
involved.
That
would
not
only
preserve,
but
then.
M
Get
some
real
kind
of
future
proof
with
the
preservation
so
to
speak,
you
know,
so
it's
one
thing
to
take
a
building
and
I'm
doing
adaptive,
reuse
of
a
and
then
it's
another
one
to
actually
do
historic
preservation
and
then
it's
another
one
to
do
is
tour
preservation
with
a
conservation
easement.
You
know.
So
there
are
there
layers
to
these
things
on
how
many
points
you
could
provide
again.
I
think
I,
think
the
framework
they
have
set
up
is
fine.
M
Obviously,
I
have
I
have
a
bias
towards
that.
But
anyway,
I
would
just
push
that
a
little
further.
No
much.
B
Thank
you,
Brian,
bringing
up
other
points
in
my
head
too,
which
was
you
know,
a
big
set
item
that
came
up
with
parking
and
we
don't
have
a
parking
requirement
in
downtown,
but
we
did
require
one
for
lodging
and
then
we
required
the
lining
of
a
parking
deck
if
they
had
that
and
I
believe
the
rule
is
that
if
you
can't
park
on
site,
you
must
park
within
50
feet
or
something
a
flatter
got
around
that
with
some
valet.
But
we
probably
need
some
kind
of
parking
discussion
in
here.
B
You
know
parking
for
employees
consistently
came
up
and
Brian
you're
hitting
on
something
that's
interesting,
the
convertibility,
so
one
of
the
last
I
think
it
was
72.
Create
I
can't
remember
the
operator
the
hotel
there,
but
they
were
I.
Remember
them
saying
you
know:
they're
designing
larger
hotel
rooms,
they
were
more
like
short-term
rental
F
and
they
were
convertible
and
I.
B
Wonder
if
that's
something
we
should
factor
in
the
convertibility,
because
you
know
we
have
two
major
housing
communities
in
downtown
that
were
once
hotels
if
you've
ever
been
inside
them,
they're
a
little
convoluted,
and
you
realize
that
it
wasn't
designed
that
way
and
it's
adapted
and
it's
awkward
in
some
places,
but
I
wonder
if
that's
something
we
can
layer
in.
If
it's
just
this
massive
rubric
of
points
and
you're,
you
know
pulling
different
things.
That
convertibility
might
really
be
a
great
thing
for
the
future,
and
that
is
all
my
comments.
C
I
was
reading,
but
also
the
adaptive
reuse
thing.
That
was
a
second,
but
that
is
not
as
hard
to
achieve
as
historic
preservation
meeting
guidelines
and
things
like
that
I
mean
adaptive.
Reuse
is
just
freezing
yeah
an
existing
building,
so
the
flexibility
also
I
think
goes
back
to
on
the
point
we
were
asking
about.
Are
we
going
to
put
a
limit
we're
going
to
have
a
maximum
number
of
hotels?
If
we
make
them
flexible,
then
that
kind
of
helps
the
future?
B
Yeah,
that's
all
it's
probably
worth
noting.
I
want
to
saw
your
hand
Andrews
a
second.
It's
probably
worth
noting
I've
been
in
discussions
with
other
developers
that
are
talking
about
proposing
hotels,
but
the
lending
has
gotten
very
difficult
since
covin.
So
you
know
it's
great
that
we're
doing
this.
However,
it
may
not
come
into
play
anytime
soon.
Yeah
I
do
expect
them
need
to
create
to
come
back,
but
they're
kind
of
in
a
they
applied
in
the
three
I'm,
not
sure
how
that's
gonna
play
out
Andrew.
What
was
your
question
or
comment?
I.
J
Just
wanted
to
sort
of
throw
like
what
is
the
big
policy
point
that
we're
trying
to
get
here?
What's
the
big
outcome
we're
trying
to
get?
Are
we
trying
to
get
fewer
hotels
or
better
hotels
and
I?
Think
that,
where
this
sort
of
that
this
plan
that
hasn't
quite
figured
out,
which
it
wants
to
do
and
I
I,
think
that
if
you
I
think
that
what
the
public
has
said
is
they
haven't
said
what
they
like
boy
I
wish?
These
hotels
were
nicer,
you
know,
I,
think
what
the
public
has
said
is.
J
That
is
that
we're
is
that
we
have
too
many
and
if
we
can
get
the
outcome
of
this
policy
to
be,
and
then
I
think
that
the
public
is
correct
in
this,
and
you
know
if
we
but
I
think
that
really
the
the
mindset
going
in
like
what
what
do
we
wasn't?
We
want
this
outcome
to
be
fewer
hotels
or
better
hotels
or
fewer,
better
hotels.
J
You
know
I
think
that
is
that's
really
crucial
and
I
I
feel
like
this.
This
policy
hasn't
quite
told
us
what
it
what
it
wants
and
what
it's
going.
What
is
going
to
get
realize
that
the
kovat
and
the
economy
and
financing
is
to
completely
change
the
game?
I
wish
we
were
doing
this
five
years
ago,
ten
years
ago,
but
here
we
are.
K
Yeah
as
far
as
convertibility
is
concerned,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
we
actually
have
four
buildings
in
downtown
that
are
converted.
Hotels.
In
fact,
all
of
the
affordable
housing
in
downtown
is
former
hotels
that
have
been
converted
to
affordable
housing,
so
that
is
an
important
consideration
and
I
would
like
to
throw
out
the
Windsor
as
a
good
example
of
that
you
know
they
did
a
good
job
with
that.
K
B
Okay,
you
know
Andrew
what
hanging
off
of
what
you
just
said
when
I
hear
from
the
public
I
hear
all
types
of
zinnias,
but
one
of
them
that
I
experienced
a
lot
because
of
my
dual
role
in
downtown
and
affordable
housing
was
that
a
lot
of
the
inks
I
ever
paid
repeatedly
heard
was
that
it
wasn't
so
much
that
they
just
hated
the
new
hotels.
It
was
just
that
it
seemed
like
that's
all
we
were
building.
B
Meanwhile,
more
and
more
people
were
being
displaced
and
priced
out
so-
and
this
is
where
that
ratio
comes
back
into
play
in
my
head,
which
is
you
know
if
our
community
is
cared
for
and
housed
and
safe
and
feeling
economically
viable?
Will
they
still
hate
hotels
as
much
you
know?
Is
there
you
know
somewhere
in
there,
I
think
there's
a
breaking
point
for
folks
and
that's
that's
where
I
love
thinking,
sure,
okay,
we
hit
this
kind
of
threshold
of
hotels
and
until
we
add
more
housing,
we're
not
going
to
add
more
hotels.
B
B
R
Thing
I
was
just
gonna
say
is
thank
you
so
much
for
all
of
your
comments.
Please
trust
that
we've
had
most
of
these
are
all
same
discussions
ourselves
in
the
past
few
months.
So
when
I
say
the
warden
and
set
is
already
you
know,
there's
a
framework
for
it.
R
So
we
definitely
share
the
draft
that
we
have
and
try
to
incorporate
as
many
of
your
comments
in,
but
we
really
have
addressed
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
you've
already
discussed
and
this,
but
this
isn't
great
input
so
and
I
and
I
do
think
that
when
we
get
down
to
these
focus
groups,
it
will
get
into
that
granular
discussion
that
Brian's
talking
about,
because
we
know
that
we
have
to
address
all
these
concerns.
I
just
didn't
want
to
try
to
emphasize
a
couple
of
things,
though
one
is
that
this
is
just
one
tool.
R
I
mean
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
issues
with
tourism
and
hotel
development,
and
this
is
just
one
thing
that
we
know
we
really
want
to
get
these
regulations
in
place
before
the
moratorium.
That
doesn't
mean
that
we
wouldn't
continue
before
the
moratorium,
as
doesn't
mean.
We
wouldn't
continue
to
look
at
these
and
tweak
these.
But
it's
just
that.
If
we
don't
get
something
in
place,
then
you
know
it.
The
moratorium
would
expire
and
we
would
be
left
with
nothing
and
we
really
are
trying
to.
R
We
are
trying
to
limit
hotels
based
on
the
overlay
so
and
again
we
we
know
we'll
probably
be
pulling
that
back
quite
a
bit.
So
that's
the
way
that
we're
addressing
that
through
this
particular
process
and
again
speaking
about
the
moratorium,
we're
trying
to
balance
the
needs
of
you
know
public
input
I'm
with
the
legal
requirements,
like
I
said
we
could
possibly
extend
it.
R
I
will
share
that
out
with
our
legal
staff
first
and
with
the
folks
that
are
participating
in
the
in
the
focus
groups
and
then
once
we
incorporate
all
those
comments,
then
we'll
share
that
back
out
with
you
all
and
for
your
next
meeting
in
August,
so
I
think
that
answers
all
your
questions
in
a
general
way,
but
certainly
we'll
continue
to
have
these
very
good
discussions.
It's
really
an
interest.
It's
been
an
interesting
process
to
be
involved
in
looking
forward
to
a
good
product
at
the
end.
R
B
B
It
okay,
I
think
that
brings
to
a
close
this
section
of
our
agenda.
The
dildo
safety
you're
welcome
to
stay
with
us,
but
we
appreciate
your
time
today,
thank
you
and
for
those
of
you
that
might
be
calling
in
we
are
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
update,
which
is
item
number
four
under
presentations.
A
PD
update
and
I
believe
what
tenet
lamb
has
phoned
in
lieutenant
lamb.
Are
you
here?
B
Q
Q
B
Q
Yeah
we
currently
have
four
vacancies.
We
were
hoping
to
be
fully
staffed
by
now,
but
we've
had
a
couple
of
officers
that
are
on
leave,
some
that
are
on
Kovac
quarantine
and
we've
got
a
couple
of
officers
that
have
tested
positive
for
kovetz
yeah.
So,
yes,
staffing,
unfortunately,
is
not
not
optimal.
Right
now
is
not
where
we
would.
Q
B
Q
So
I
had
our
comment
was
pulled
the
numbers
since
January
and
so
year-to-date
through
the
end
of
June.
We
have
seen
a
property
crime
decrease
all
over.
The
city
of
Asheville
downtown
has
the
greatest
decrease
in
property,
so
that's
been
a
22%
decrease
and
property
crime
and
unfortunately,
citywide
we're
looking
at
an
increase
in
violent
crime
and
downtown
has
the
biggest
increase
in
violent
crime,
which
is
that
9%
increase
compared
to
last
year
and.
Q
B
Q
E
B
So
do
you
think
since
we'd
have
this
decrease
in
property
crime
and
increase
in
violent
crime?
And
then
all
the
coded
special
situations,
like
you
just
mentioned
at
first
when
I
heard
property
crime
was
down
so
much
I
thought?
Oh
well,
you
know
it
sounds
like
maybe
a
PGM
I
can
see
less
busy',
but
it
sounds
like
you
might
also
be
having
to
take
extra
action
from
precautions
and
time
and
investment
in
the
issues
that
you
do
face.
Q
Sometimes
they
don't
so
one
officers
relationship
building
with
the
subject
may
not
be
clicking
as
much
as
maybe
another
officer,
and
so
it
the
more
officers
that
we
have
there
that
are
able
to
develop
a
rapport
or
maybe
have
a
pre-existing
relationship
with
somebody
who
may
be
in
crisis
or
somebody
who's
committed.
A
crime.
You
know
helps
us
to
be
able
to
deescalate
those
situations,
but
unfortunately,
that
takes
more
numbers
to
do
that
effectively.
B
Q
Know
currently
it's
on
hold
because
we're
waiting
to
see
what
the
results
of
the
reimagined
policing
workgroup
comes
together
with
and
I
think
there's
currently
working
on
the
facilitators
and
also
an
internal
one,
the
external
group
that
will
be
very
inclusive
to
look
at.
You
know
what
what
are
the
citizens
of
Asheville?
What
did
the
stakeholders
or
our
neighbors
our
whole
community,
want
from
from
the
police
department?
B
B
But
I
am
genuinely
curious
if
other
officers
called
out
sick
or
if
there
was
like
any
kind
of
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
how
to
rephrase
it
but
I'm
wondering
if,
if
there
was
any
kind
of
officer,
revolt
around
or
just
uncomfortableness,
not
even
necessarily
revolves
around
the
protesting
and
I
hope.
That's
something
that
the
public
gets
to
learn
more
about.
Even
if
you
can't
answer
that
for
us
I
think
it's
yeah.
B
Q
J
Hi
thanks
for
taking
your
time
this
morning,
I
I
guess
the
question
I
have
is,
is
look.
Sorry,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
I
can
okay,
yet
the
question
I
have
is
I
know
you
can't
talk
about
like
the
protests
of
pasts
right
but
I
mean
I.
Can
I
can
I
get
some
assurance
that
if
we
were
to
have
a
protest
tomorrow
that
things
would
go
differently?
Oh.
Q
Yes
well,
for
example,
there
was
the
marks
this
last
Saturday
I
was
present
and
I
was
the
watch
commander
for
the
daytime
operations
of
the
agency,
and
there
was
the
March
for
the
Black
Liberation
Day
that
occurred
from
the
monument
went
around
Prichard
Park
and
then
went
back
to
went
back
to
the
block,
and
we
had
a
little
to
no
issues
there.
No
real,
you
know.
No,
we
didn't
have
an
overwhelming
number
of
officers
downtown
and
we
just
answered
calls
for
service
and
assisted
with
the
march
and
in
any
way
that
that
rose
was
requested.
Q
I
think
we
could
have
two
assaults
that
occurred
on
the
peripheral
of
the
March
and
those
were
investigated
by
officers
there
on
the
scene,
but
yeah
it
was
a
very,
very
peaceful
march.
Man
we've
had
several
different
peaceful
gatherings
since
May
31st
June
1st,
and
that
that
whole
week
that
have
have
gone
very
well.
Thank
you.
Yes,
you're
welcome.
B
E
B
B
Thank
you,
okay,
Pusha,
so
that
wraps
up
new
business
and
president.
Oh,
no
sorry
so
budget
recommendations
I'm
getting
concerned
about
our
time.
It's
11:40
we've
all
been
sitting
here,
a
long
time.
Here's
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
we
didn't
know
if,
because
of
the
virtual
nature
of
this
meeting,
if
lots
of
folks
would
call
in
or
be
watching
online,
we
don't
have
those
numbers.
I
can
see
that
it's
dwindled
down
to
just
us
a
core
Commission
as
participants.
Virtually
I,
don't
want
to
labor
us
through
another
hour
of
things.
B
If
we
don't
need
to
I,
took
the
time
last
night
to
create
documents
for
several
of
these
updates,
so
they
will
live
on
the
agenda.
It
can
be
found
whether
or
not
we
have
a
huge
discussion
about
them.
What
we
do
have
left
is
the
budget
recommendations,
I'm
hearing
from
roots
that
she
needs
to
leave
and
now
I'm
hearing
from
Franzi
that
she
needs
to
leave
soon.
So
we're
going
to
try
and
fly
through
these
last
20
minutes.
Here's
what's
going
to
happen
the
budget
recommendation,
my
understanding
is,
it
has
been
moved
to
August.
P
B
Okay,
so
in
the
past,
I
look
back
at
what
we
made
for
recommendations
to
Council
in
2019
and
we
made
zero
recommendations.
We
had
a
meeting
in
January
where
we
discuss
things
we
might
want,
but
we
never
actually
sent
formal
recommendations
the
year
before
that
we
actually
requested,
via
a
letter
to
council
that
we
received
money
set
aside
for
the
downtown
master
plan,
updates
and
design
guide
up
a
guideline
updates
and
the
possible
share
third
facility
group,
facilitator
group
or
whatever
I'm
unloading.
B
My
words
now
Consulting
Group
with
the
riverfront
Commission,
that's
something
we
may
want
to
recommend
again
for
the
sake
of
time,
how
about
y'all
put
on
your
thinking,
caps
about
budget
request
for
downtown
and
email
me
and
I
will
try
and
put
them
into
a
document
and
hone
in
on
the
council
timeline
and
be
back
in
touch
with
you.
We
can't
discuss
over
email,
but
if
you
have
items
go
ahead
and
send
them
to
me,
it's
a
very
hard
budget
year.
So
not
going
to
be
a
long
list.
I.
B
Imagine
is
everybody,
okay
with
that
and
then
moving
on
to
the
next
parts
of
the
agenda.
Okay,
so
if
you're
listening
on
the
phone,
we're
moving
to
updates
and
report
an
entire
11
or
hour
and
40
minutes
behind,
we
have
the
actual
downtown
association,
update
I
created
a
document
there
and
it
basically
says:
we've
cancelled
everything
mehgan's
on
the
phone,
our
executive
director.
Thank
you
for
hanging
in
so
long.
It's
very
sad.
I
am
representative
for
a
DA
board
and
we
have
literally
canceled
or
gone
virtual
for
most
things.
B
We
are
doing
virtual
downtown
after
five.
You
can
see
in
this
bottom
paragraph.
We
have
some
great
turnout,
online,
15,
15
thousand
views,
and
we
have
taken
some
of
our
own
foundation
money
and
invested
in
our
music
professionals.
We
feel
like
they
have
been
one
of
the
harder
or
groups
to
receive
unemployment
and
the
most
impacted
by
the
co,
vid
and
changes
to
our
economy,
and
so
we
took
upon
ourselves
to
invest
in
those
music
professionals
and
there's
a
little
update
there.
B
The
next
events
that
may
or
may
not
be
canceled
are
Oktoberfest
in
the
holiday
parade.
We
are
going
virtual
with
all
downtown
after
5:00,
so
that
can
be
that
update
and
next
up
we
have
design
review
committee
which
I'm
not
sure
Steven
Lee
is
not
here
so
Tam
or
Brian
or
Robin
I
guess
you're.
All
in
there
now
is
there
an
update
from
design.
B
That's
what
I,
suspected
and
I
think
we
might
be
here
for
a
little
while,
where
there
are
not
new
projects
coming
from
the
pipeline,
so
we're
rats,
so
local
business,
local
living
economies,
working
group,
we
do
have
the
results
to
the
downtown
census
and
we
could
spend
some
time
going
over
them.
It
is
also
posted
there
for
you.
If
you
would
like
to
review
franz
ii.
What
do
you
think
if
you
need
to
jump
off
soon?
Would
you
like
to
share
anything?
You
haven't
had
either.
B
P
B
I'm
thinking
a
committee,
sorry,
the
public
space
committee,
but
yes,
the
aerobic
space
initiative,
yeah
yeah,
okay.
So
how
about?
When
you
don't
mind?
Let's
come
back
to
you
and
your
update
and
I'll
jump
through
these
decoded
resources
and
the
homeless
shelter
initiative,
because
I
do
want
you
all
to
get
the
very
quick
summary
of
what
happened
with
the
Civic
Civic
Center,
which
I
have
here.
Let's
see
me
and
this
can
be
quit
one
minute.
B
So,
as
you
know,
the
Civic
Center
was
converted
to
a
little
mist
shelters
for
up
to
50
community
members,
and
the
partnership
was
primarily
between
homeward
bound
in
the
city
of
Asheville.
There
is
a
long
list
of
parties
that
helped
with
the
process
and
the
goal
was
to
house
50
people
they
had,
they
never
quite
hit
full,
and
then
they
had
some
people
cycle
out.
So
once
you
entered
you
couldn't
leave
and
if
you
lift,
you
couldn't
come
back
because
you
would
be
exposing
others.
B
So
this
was
a
model
to
have
like
really
low
barrier
sheltering
a
kind
of
a
housing
first
model,
which
means
it
doesn't
matter
your
criteria.
You
need
housing,
we're
not
concerned
that
you
were
a
drug
user
yesterday
with
those
things
aren't
matter,
it
didn't
matter,
was
housing
first
kinam
shelters
and
we
had
about
12
people
that
transitioned
out
and
were
filled
by
other
folks.
The
entire
Civic
Center
sheltering
lasted
for
32
days,
that
was
from
I,
think
April,
8th
to
May
11th,
and
then
all
the
folks
were
moved
to
the
Red
Roof
Inn.
B
It
was
a
West
Asheville
outside
of
downtown
there.
There
are
60
rooms
being
utilized
and
there
are
now
65
people
being
housed
and
I
have
requested,
there's
also
a
waitlist
to,
but
I
have
requested
from
them,
and
this
is
something
I'll
bring
back
to
you
in
a
future
meeting.
If
we
can
somehow
analyze
the
cost
of
these
types
of
programs
and
come
back
to
the
Commission
with
you
know
how
how
possible
it
was.
B
Realize
that
okay
I
was
updating
from
there
despite
them
is
the
executive
director.
Okay,
the
only
thing
on
here
about
Vance
monument
task
force
is
that
that
application
period
closes
today.
The
county
is
already
closed.
There's
me
six
folks
from
the
county
and
six
folks
from
the
city,
if
you're
interested
in
applying
to
be
on
that
task
force.
Today's
your
deadline
to
apply,
if
you
know
other
folks
that
are
interested,
let
them
know
the
equity
inclusion
item
on
here-
is
to
I
want
to
personally
request
that
you
all
attend.
These
are
voluntary.
B
Trainings
I've
done
them
both
they're,
very
helpful.
I
would
love
for
us
to
be
a
commission
and
is
voluntarily
gone
to,
and
every
member
has
included
themselves
in
this
training,
so
we
can
all
be
on
the
same
page.
So
if
you
can
sign
up
for
any
of
those,
please
do
that
said
that
we've
public
space
initiatives
and
updates
from
Dana
in
general,
and
that
is
how
we
will
finish-
Great
Dane.
You
got
lots
of
stuff
well,
I,.
P
Have
a
report
that
you
all
can
see:
Dana
Frankel
from
the
city
of
Asheville
in
the
planning
department
and
the
strategic
design
and
development
office,
and
so
some
of
those
items
Sage
has
already
gone
over,
but
I'm
happy
to
provide
updates
on
some
of
the
work.
We
are
doing
to
provide
businesses
and
organizations
more
space
to
operate
safely.
And
let
me
pull
up
the
presentation.
P
All
right
so
we're
calling
the
suite
of
programs
AVL
shares
space
and
really
their
opportunities
for
businesses
and
organizations
to
operate
both
in
public
and
private
spaces,
a
bit
more
flexibly
to
provide
additional
opportunities
for
physical,
distancing
and
safety
during
code
bed.
19,
and
a
lot
of
this
will
go
over
kind
of
the
approach,
but
we've
been
working,
it's
very
much
relevant
to
the
work
you
all
have
done
on
on
public
space
management.
P
P
So
our
goal
and
I
went
over.
We
want
to
support
the
economic
recovery
and,
alongside
that,
hoping
to
achieve
other
community
goals
as
well,
specifically,
safety
related
to
physical,
distancing,
encoded
19,
but
also
pedestrian
safety
and
improving
multimodal
access
and
and
goals
like
that
that
the
city
has
so.
We
have
identified
a
number
of
guiding
principles
and
goals
and
I
encourage
you
to
read
through
these
they're
available
on
the
project
page
on
the
city's
website.
There
is
a
short
link,
sometimes
there's
a
little
trouble
with
it,
but
it
should
work.
P
Asheville,
NC,
gov
/abl
shares
space.
We
want
to
align
with
Public
Health
guidance
and,
of
course,
that
that
can
evolve
and
change.
We
want
to
support
safe
customer
access
to
businesses
and
services.
We
want
to
be
flexible
as
these
needs
change
and
that's
definitely
a
challenge
of
this
program,
but
being
able
to
maintain
safety
and
be
as
responsive
as
possible
as
things
change
very
quickly.
P
We
a
lot
of
what
we've
rolled
out
is
in
the
downtown
area.
Also,
some
of
the
programs
applied
to
film
our
village
in
Haywood,
roads
and
Brandon
Sur
areas,
but
we
are
working
to
be
equitable
and
how
we
look
at
opportunities
and
how
we
engage
with
the
community
and
recognizing
and
you
all
Andrew
I
know
you
know,
are
very
familiar
with
this
and
the
work
that
you've
done
related
to
public
space.
P
So
the
initiatives
that
we
have
rolled
out
at
this
point
early
on
during
kovat,
we
ease
some
restrictions
for
food
truck
and
signage,
to
make
it
a
little
bit
easier
for
people
to
have
access
to
food,
but
also
for
businesses
to
operate
and
provide
services
such
as
curbside,
pickup
and
and
and
let
customers
know
that
they're
providing
that
type
of
access.
We
also
provided
free
parking,
downtown
and
the
on
Street
metered
spaces
for
a
period
of
time,
and
and
that's
when
activity
was
a
little
bit
slower.
P
We
introduced
the
metered
parking
fees
in
June,
I,
believe
and
but
parking
garages
still
remain
free.
We
will
be
reintroducing
the
parking
garage
fees
August
first,
but
we
hope
that
that's
made
it
a
little
bit
easier
for
the
public
and
customers
to
access
goods
and
services
and
has
supported
businesses
in
that
way
as
well.
We
introduced
a
new
program,
ten-minute
curbside
pickup
zones
in
May
we
identified
almost
30
spaces,
both
in
downtown
and
on
Hewitt
Road,
where
customers
can
come
and
stay
and
have
you
know
quickly,
pickup.
P
In
most
cases,
I
think
restaurants
are
providing
those
pickup
services
that
it
could
be
others
as
well,
and
we've
heard
really
positive
feedback,
particularly
from
the
business
community.
On
that,
we
introduced
an
opportunity
for
businesses
to
more
flexibly,
expand,
seating
or
other
uses,
such
as
merchandise
displays
into
public
sidewalks.
We
are
asking
firing
businesses
to
keep
six
feet
of
passable
space
on
the
sidewalks.
P
June
19th
we
rolled
out.
We
opened
up
a
temporary
per-click
program,
so
businesses
can
apply
to
use
up
to
three
parking
spaces
in
front
of
their
business,
for
seeding,
pedestrian,
queuing,
merchandise,
sales
or
other
needs
to
create
additional
safety
measures
and
distancing
for
the
public
and
accessing
their
services.
And
alongside
that,
we
also
launched
our
shared
streets
program
and
I'll
go
over
that
in
more
detail.
But
what
that
is
is
a
way
to
designate
particular
streets
as
pedestrian
priority
zones.
P
So
traffic
should
be
yielding
to
pedestrians
in
those
areas
and
as
part
of
that,
we've
we've
opened
up
the
on
street
parking
for
businesses
on
those
corridors
to
be
able
to
expand
into
really
in
a
in
a
pretty
flexible
way,
and
we've
seen
a
lot
of
that
working
really
well
so
far
and
and
hopefully
will
continue
and
with
all
of
these
programs.
We
want
to
continue
this
work
and
allow
these
types
of
flexible
uses
through
October
31st
things
could
change
if
there
needs
to
be
a
closure
for
utility
work
or
potentially
for
construction
work.
P
We
may
not
be
able
to
allow
all
of
these
uses
in
every
single
case,
but
we
hope
to
be
able
to
commit
to
at
least
support
as
much
as
we
can
through
that
time,
and,
of
course
this
is
going
to
be.
This
is
a
learning
process
for
all
of
us,
for
businesses,
for
the
community,
for
the
city
and
we
hope
to
we
will
be
looking
ahead
in
terms
of
what
continues
in
the
spring,
what
can
be
made
more
permanent
and
will
probably
be
changes
and
adjustments
between
now
and
October
as
well.
P
I
should
probably
pick
up
it's
1156,
okay,
so
we've
created
online
application
forms
for
all
of
these
programs.
Aside
from
the
shared
streets
which
is
really
more
initiated
by
the
city,
based
on
a
lot
of
really
good
initial
public
input
from
the
community
I
know
from
from
some
of
you
all
on
the
downtown
Commission,
so
there's
an
online
application
process
for
most
of
the
programs.
There's
a
one-day
turnaround
time
for
the
for
the
parklet
program,
that
is,
that
takes
a
little
bit
longer.
P
We
have
more
departments
involved
and
and
we're
shooting
at
about
a
week,
turnaround
time
for
that.
We're
also
working
to
prioritize
black,
independent
and
business
owners
of
color
or
businesses
that
are
managed
by
people
of
color
in
order
to
to
get
them
really
first
in
the
queue
as
needed,
and
to
be
able
to
provide
that
additional
one-on-one
support.
I
did
just
want
to
did
I
say
the
wrong
word.
P
I
did
just
want
to
provide
a
couple
of
examples
of
some
of
these
programs
in
place,
and
these
are
photos
of
businesses
that
have
expanded
onto
private
property.
So,
typically,
we
have
requirements
for
a
certain
amount
of
parking
on
on
private
properties,
and
this
is
particularly
the
case
in
commercial
areas
outside
of
downtown,
although
it's
applicable
in
on
properties
within
downtown
as
well
you'll
see
a
photo
of
bhramari
brewing
they've,
converted
a
portion
of
their
parking
lot
for
outdoor
dining
and
zia.
P
J
Mccormick
field
I,
don't
think
it
falls
under
this
program,
but
that's
a
bunch
more
outdoor,
dining
space
in
a
new
part
of
in
a
area
that
we
haven't
had
that
seen
that
type
of
activity
quite
like
that
before,
if
you
see
have
you
seen
that
Dana
does
the
city
have
any
I
know
a
city
land
but
not
City
managed
the
is.
Did
your
department
have
anything
to
do
with
that?
I'm.
P
So
I
mentioned
we
had
a
lot
of
really
good
input,
really,
probably
in
March,
in
April,
from
the
community,
from
members
of
the
multimodal
transportation
commission,
from
Nashville
on
bikes
and
from
representatives
from
the
dongseong
Commission
to
kind
of
advocate
for
some
of
this
work
to
happen
quickly
and
the
importance
to
be
able
to
serve
our
business
community
and
help
with
economic
recovery.
So
we
took
a
lot
of
that
input.
P
We
worked
with
professional
traffic
engineers,
traffic
planning
and
design
for
help
kind
of
going
through
a
lot
of
that
in
detail
and
considering
where
these
opportunities
would
be
feasible
and
our
objectives
are
to
ensure
Public
Safety
definitely
provide
access
for
emergency
services,
provide
activating
attic
parking,
provide
access
for
deliveries
and
I
know.
Over
time
we
hear
concerns
from
business
owners
about
full,
Street
Ledger's,
so
to
be
clear,
with
the
shared
streets,
the
streets
remain
open.
Their
pedestrian
priority
areas
but
vehicle
are,
can
use
the
street.
P
P
The
week
after
we
launched
on
the
block
we
launched
in
south
slope
on
banks,
Buxton
and
the
section
of
Collier
between
banks
and
Buxton,
and
that
that
I
think
businesses
made
use
of
that
space
right
away.
There
I
think
I
took
these
photos
the
first
weekend
that
this
was
in
place,
and
that
seems
to
be
working
really
well
in
that
area.
P
P
P
We
really
want
to
be
able
to
provide
as
much
support
as
possible
and
also
understand
what
those
particular
needs
are:
people
that
maybe
are
already
plugged
into
city
channels
and
other
organizations
and
resources
may
be
aware
of
these
opportunities.
But
we
really
were
doing
some
intentional
work
now
to
make
sure
that
we'd
get
all
of
the
businesses
in
our
community
and
specifically
minority
owned
and
managed
businesses
we
and
we're
looking
at.
P
P
So
the
city
is
not
permitting
outdoor
special
events
at
this
time,
but
looking
at
opportunities
for
vendor
markets
and
specifically
providing
opportunities
for
by
pop
owned
and
managed
businesses,
so
we're
looking
ahead
to
see
what
that
could
be
and
we'll
hear
updates
from
the
governor
next
time.
We
know
this
work
needs
to
remain
flexible,
so
keeping
our
eyes
on
how
public
health
might
guidance
might
change
in
the
weeks
and
months
ahead.
P
Each
location
is
unique
and
we're
definitely
working
we're
doing.
A
lot
of
one-on-one
can
work
with
individual
business
owners
and
organizations
in
these
areas,
but
we
absolutely
want
to
know
how
this
is
going
for
the
larger
community.
We
have
a
survey,
it's
actually
up
and
live.
It's
been
a
little
bit
twiki.
So
if
it
is
there
with
us
we're
trying
to
work
through
those
kinks,
but
but
please
feel
free,
there's
a
iterative.
P
That's
working
on
this
and
several
of
us,
the
core
team,
will
receive
an
email
if
you
send
an
email
public
space
at
public
input
comm.
So
please
feel
free
to.
Let
us
know
how
you
think
it's
going
and
if
you
have
ideas
for
other
things,
we
should
be
thinking
about
and
I'd
welcome
any
questions
or
feedback
that
you
all
have
at
this
time.
B
That's
awesome,
I
have
great
feedback
for
you,
because
I
think
it's
coming
along
really
really
well.
I
know
at
first
there
was
a
lot
of
push
so
like
move
quickly
and
get
things
out
in
you
know,
as
we've
seen,
the
cogut
impact
has
lasted
much
longer
than
originally
hoped,
and
the
changes
to
the
PPP
actually
made
this.
This
pace
more
digestible,
so
I
think
it's
incredible.
I
love
the
way
that
different
businesses
are
being
created,
Diaz,
where
my
son
works
and
I
love.
B
What
they've
done
I
love,
even
the
things
on
Wall
Street
like
wrapping
the
barricades
in
red
and
I,
don't
necessarily
love
the
straw
bales.
They
don't
strike
me
as
it's
safe,
but
you
know
I
know
it's
a
work
in
progress.
I
will
share,
since
we
didn't
review
the
census
entirely
that
one
of
the
questions
we
asked
was
now
that
curbside
pickup
locations
are
designated.
B
Could
we
give
up
some
additional
on
street
parking
spaces
to
create
temporary
outdoor
dining,
so
the
response
to
that
was
over
80%
yet-
and
this
is
from
a
group
of
individuals
that
has
taken
these
downtown
census
surveys
for
four
years.
What
they've
done?
Two
other
times
every
other
year
and
it's
been
like
80
percent.
Saying
parking
is
the
number
one
issue
so
to
see
them
say
you
know
the
beds.
B
This
is
something
they
welcome
and
we
could
certainly
do
I
think
is
a
huge
pivot
from
where
we've
been
so
really
supports
the
efforts,
great
job,
Dana
great
time,
turnaround
time,
one
day
or
a
week
on
outdoor
thing,
I
mean
it's
fast,
I
think
it's
incredible.
It's
not
it's
a
speed
that
the
city
doesn't
normally
operate
on.
It's.
P
J
I
love
public
space.
You
know
coming
from
a
busking
background
and
then
looking
at
public
space,
all
the
work
that
we've
done
together
on
the
public
space
managed
management
committee.
It's
really
really
great
to
see
that
we're
trying
stuff-
and
it's
really
good,
to
see
that
the
idea
of
being
nimble
and
being
responsive
and
trying
things
anyway,
even
if
we're
where
we
don't
know
exactly
how
it's
going
to
work
out.
J
I,
think
that's
very
good,
because
that's
I
think
real
placemaking
and
is
that's
where
it
comes
from,
is
allowing
each
place
to
to
sort
of
do
its
own
thing
and
find
out
what
works
in
that
in
you
know,
for
that
street
and
on
that
block
for
those
businesses
and
instead
of
thinking
like
well
instead
of
this
I
think
that
up
to
now,
people
been
very
hesitant
to
try
things
because
the
sense
of
permanence
and
what,
if
we
did
it
wrong,
has
led
us
to
not
experiment
and
try
things.
That
would
be
really
great.
J
That
would
that
could
be
really
great
or
not,
but
I
feel
that
now
that
one
of
the
silver
linings
and
this
crisis
that
we're
all
in
is
that
we've
all
sort
of
come
together
and
said
great.
Let's
all
try
some
things
and
I
hope
that
I
hope
for
a
speedy
recovery
to
our
economy
and
to
our
public
health.
But
I
would
very
much
like
this
attitude
of
trying
things
and
moving
quickly
through
iterations
and
getting
away
from
the
fear
of
permanence.
J
I
hope
that
I
hope
that
that
attitude
can
persist
in
the
relationships
between
the
city,
government
and
and
businesses
and
pedestrians
and
users
of
downtown.
So
but
I
really
want
to
thank
thank
all
you
all
that
have
been
been
working
and
trying
over
there
I
don't
have
a
hundred
percent
glowing
praise
on
everything
we
can
I'm
meeting
for
any
long.
We
can
talk
about
that
stuff
later,
but
I
I've
got
all
the
thumbs
up
for
the
program
and
its
intentions.
B
B
We
have
public
comment
which
we
don't
really
have,
so
we
have
informal
discussion
and
future
agenda
items,
and
this
is
something
I
supposed
to
think
about
for
when
we
regroup
next
time
and
canceled
our
retreat
because
of
CO
vid,
we
may
want
to
have
an
in-person
social
assistant
retreat
soon
we're
going
to
lose
Brian
to
a
nap
soon,
so
I
think
there's
last
things
I
mean
we're
just
ready
to
adjourn,
but
I
want
you
guys
to
be
thinking
about
your
budget
items
and
emailing
me
early
recommendations
be
thinking
about
a
retreat
and
what
you
feel
comfortable
with
doing
and
when
it
would
be
best
and
I
appreciate
you
all
hanging
on
for
so
long
today.
B
I
think
we'll
have
to
consider
that,
because
we're
virtual
that
we
may
run
longer
than
normal
and
I
know.
Some
of
this
is
a
lot
of
ketchup,
because
a
lots
been
going
on.
Won't
normally
have
this
much
information
on
the
agenda,
so
forget
those
of
you
that
are
new.
We're
not
going
to
keep
you
for
half
a
day
every
time,
I
promise
any
closing
thoughts
or
comments
on
the
process
or
what
we
could
do
differently
next
time.
J
I
appreciate
the
tenet
Lam
speaking
with
us
today,
but
basically,
everything
who
wasn't
allowed
to
speak
about
is
what
I'm
sure
we
all
wanted
to
speak
about.
So
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
when
we
can
get
information
out
of
the
police
department
again,
which
has
not
always
been
very
easy,
but
when
we
can
get
information
that
we
that
we
do
come
back
to
this
and
speak
about
it
and
and
and
get
some
information
because
I
hope
I
have
a
I
still
have
a
lot
of
questions.
J
B
Wholeheartedly
agree
and
you
and
I
look
forward
to
being
able
to
have
that
information
and
for
the
public
to
have
it
as
well.
I
will
say
in
the
agenda
at
the
very
top
where
it
says
statements
from
the
Commission
you'll
see.
There's
a
link
under
commission
and
I
did
that
thinking
we
might
have
a
little
onboarding
for
new
members,
but
that
is
a
link
to
the
ordinance
that
describes
that
the
downtown
Commission
does
and
under
it.
You
will
find
that
we
are.
J
B
There
are
the
green
there
currently
under
a
possible
Boehner
right.
I
agree.
Yes,
you
know
we
are
targeted
for
those
be
there
new
or
that
we
haven't
made
recommendations
to
Council
a
while.
This
is
what
we
are
here
for
bringing
together
stakeholders,
various
residence
businesses,
everyone
that
uses
downtown
and
to
make
recommendations
to
council
and
how
it
can
remain
safe
and
viable
and
vibrant.
So
we
can
add
these
things.
We
can
have
them
as
future
agenda
items
and
I
don't
want
to
keep
you
any
longer.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
I
appreciate
your
time
today.