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A
Alrighty
we
are
live
to
start
our
treatment
in.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
anything,
we
need
to
chat
about
it's
a
pretty
light
agenda
today,
we'll
be
welcoming
our
our
new
member
thomas
mclaughlin,
proving
minutes
assuming
we
can
get
a
quorum.
A
We
have
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
talk
through
the
roles
and
review
process
of
the
drc.
Maybe
a
good
reminder
for
folks
and
and
talk
a
little
bit
more
about.
I
mean
any.
You
know,
questions
or
issues
that
folks
have
been
grappling
with
since
we've
been
doing
this
for
it's
a
year
and
a
half
now
a
year
and
a
half
give
or
take
16
months
or
so.
A
B
Yeah
it'll
be
a
nice
change.
C
A
Getting
the
whole
the
whole
spiel,
which
is
a
good
reminder
for
me
too,
about
all
the
stuff.
We
do
that's
a
lot
to
take
it
all
at
once,
but
you're
in
good
company
to
get
up
to
speed.
A
There's
been
a
few
a
few
of
your
members,
I
mean
the
committee's,
not
that
old,
but
even
so
we
have
like
christina
and
catherine
yeah,
both
relatively
new
ricardo
too.
Actually
so
those
are
four
or
four
of
our
nine
members
only
be
here
a
few
a
few
months
and
they're
five
or
the
the
old-timers.
It
looks
like.
A
C
D
A
We're
just
in
our
pre-meeting
now
kimmy,
so
it's
just
a
chance
for
any
informal
discussion
or
questions
about
any
of
the
items
on
the
agenda.
It's
a
pretty
light
agenda
overall.
So
we
should
be
here
too
late
this
afternoon.
D
Thanks,
I
do
need
to
jump
off
that
too.
So
I'll
tell
you
that
now
and
that
way,
I'm
not
typing
it.
A
Okay
sounds
good,
we
should
be.
We
should
be
done
before
then.
A
A
Usually
we
have
some
like
really
exciting
projects
besides,
besides
yours,
on
the
agenda
to
really
dig
into
so
I
guess
everyone's
saving
their
their
fire
for
for
the
informal
review.
A
A
We're
just
we're
just
doing
our
pre-meeting
now
and
if
you
have
any
questions
or
comments
on
anything
on
the
agenda
and
otherwise
we'll
officially
start
in
about
eight
minutes
or
so.
E
Do
we
need
to
will?
Are
we
going
to
need
to
address
whether
we're
going
to
continue
doing
in
person
the
whole
hybrid
discussion
for
this
one.
A
Yeah,
we
will
need
to
discuss
that.
Probably
at
some
point
I'm
I'm
checking
to
see.
I
haven't
gotten
a
definitive
answer
yet
whether
we
are
considered
advisory
or
not,
I
think
we're
somewhere
in
between
advisory
and
quasi
judicial,
because
we,
you
know,
especially
for
hotel
projects,
we
do
more
than
just
supplies,
so
we
may
not
have
the
option
to
stay
virtual,
but
I
will
know
for
sure.
A
I
don't
know
if
it's
changed
or
not,
but
but
my
understanding
is
that
only
advisory
committees
have
the
option.
So
if
you're,
quasi-judicial
quote-unquote,
you
don't
have
the
option,
we're
not
really
qualified
quasi-judicial.
We
don't
have
that
type
of
we
don't
review
variances,
but
we're
also
not
advisory.
E
So
we're
kind
of
in
this
gray
area.
Well,
okay,
so
I've
got
the
memo
pulled
up.
It
says
the
super
boards
may
continue
to
hold
remote
meetings
if
a
super
majority
of
the
advisory
board
votes
to
hold
remote
meetings,
two-thirds
of
membership-
and
we
have
to
commit
to
doing
it
for
a
year-
and
we
have
to
right
now
the
only
options
are
fully
in
person
or
fully
remote.
E
We
don't
really
have
a
hybrid
option:
correct,
okay
and
so
the
question
for
this
particular
one.
Are
we
an
advisory
board?
I
would
say
we
are
since
we
are.
We
have.
We
have
a
statutory
duty
for
hotels.
They
have
to
come
through
here
and
and
receive
approval
if
they're
not
going
to
go
to
council.
A
E
A
E
A
A
So
that's
why
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
our
status
and
the
clerk's
office
and
legal
are
kind
of
looking
into
it.
I
just
haven't
gotten
an
answer
yet.
E
Well,
the
the
remote
option
allows
people
to
participate
that
wouldn't
normally
be
able
to
participate
in
this
in
this
process,
because
they
can't
get
off
work
and
come
drive
all
the
way
downtown
for
a
midday
meeting.
Yeah
both
members
and
the
public
are
saying
correct,
absolutely
correct,
so
I
mean
I
you
know.
If
there's
any
way,
we
can
consider
ourselves
an
advisory
board
so
that
we
can
continue
to
do
this.
E
I
think
it
makes
it
honestly
way
easier
for
participants,
including
a
lot
of
the
consultants
and
architects
we
deal
with
coming
in
from
out
of
town
yeah.
A
H
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
think
it's
the
like,
because
we're
not
in
a
state
of
emergency
anymore,
if
you
land.
E
H
E
A
Yeah
I'd
agree
with
that.
I
think
city
council
heard
that
pretty
strongly
at
their
meeting
when
they
adopted
this
new
policy
that
they
will
continue
to
explore
options
for
for
hybrid.
E
E
I
know
it's,
I
know
it's
a
lot
harder
with
you
guys
because
you've
got
to
do
the
youtube
and
there's
some
public
access
stuff.
I
I
understand
that,
but
I
mean
I
I
can't
imagine
you
can't
figure
that
out
I
mean
there's
stuff,
there's
definitely
a
way
of
doing
it.
I
just
don't
know
it
might
be
a
might
be
some
hardware
stuff
we
need
and
whatever
but
they're
gonna
be.
A
They're
gonna
continue
to
explore
that
option,
since
it
has
been,
has
been
heard
that
it
is
a
priority
for
members
of
the
community.
I
certainly
agree
with
that
sentiment,
but
folks
prefer
just
if
we
did.
If
we
did
a
straw
poll,
what
folks
mostly
prefer
to
stay
virtual
as
far
as,
if
possible,.
B
It
makes
it
a
lot
easier
to
roll
it
into
the
work
day,
especially
on
these
really
long
meeting
days.
Yeah.
D
It
is
in
the
middle
of
the
day.
Yeah.
I
also
remember,
will
I
know
we're
going
to
start
soon,
but
when
we
were
meeting
in
person
before
the
pandemic,
it
was
really
challenging
sometimes
on
the
long
ones
to
keep
a
quorum
and
it
really
messed
up
voting
on
some
things.
So
it
just
can
be
a
healthier
model,
so
we
could
get
down
to
business,
get
some
things
voted
on
quickly
when
necessary,
and
then
people
have
to
jump
off
in
some
situations.
They
can
do
that.
A
H
I
was
just
going
to
offer
too
that
I
think,
probably
the
hybrid,
like
whatever
they're
looking
at
the
clerk's
office
in
terms
of
hybrid
stuff,
it's
probably
like
it's
tied
to
the
study
on
the
other
advisory
boards
and
commissions
potentially
being
collapsed
at
some
point.
So
I
imagine
that
they'll
probably
kind
of
dovetail
those
two
things
together.
Whenever
decisions
get
made
around.
All
of
that.
A
That's
good
well
I'll,
have
more
information
in
the
meantime
and
if
we
are
able
and
I'll
let
folks
know
via
email
prior
to
the
next
meeting.
If
we
are
able
to
vote
to
stay
virtual,
I
will
put
that
on
the
agenda
and,
if
not
I'll,
let
folks
know
and
probably
would
be
our
november
meeting
that
we
had
to
go
back
in
person.
A
And
being
told.
D
So
make
a
quick
note
that
materials
can
be
an
issue
virtually
not
being
able
to
see
them
or
know
them.
So
I
guess
we
can
just
kind
of
keep
an
eye
on
that.
If
we
remain
virtual,
if
there
becomes
an
issue
with
the
materials
with
the
presentations,
then
maybe
that's
something
to
look
at
for
bigger
projects
or
something
is
meeting
in
person.
That's
true.
B
Good
afternoon
I'm
robin
raines,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
september
15th
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
a
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
district.
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process
with
one
exception
and
that's
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
city
council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
this
committee.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
B
We
appreciate
your
patience.
We
are
streaming
live
on.
Our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual,
engage
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
You
can
also
watch
the
meeting
on
the
city's
youtube
channel.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
by
phone
by
calling
eight
five
five
nine
two
five
zero
and
entering
code
9410.
B
When
we
get
to
the
public
comments
section,
you
may
dial
this
same
number
and
press
star
3.
for
those
of
you
with
us
today.
Welcome.
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
microphone
after
you're
done
speaking
committee
members.
B
As
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
jeremy
goldstein,
the
vice
chair
is
not
able
to
make
it
today.
Catherine
and
kaya.
B
Hello,
hello,
christina
brewer,
is
also
not
able
to
make
it
today
kimberly
hunter.
B
Glad
to
have
you
stephen
lee
johnson,
I
didn't
see
him
log
on
he's
he's
not
here.
Okay
and
thomas
mclaughlin.
C
B
Hello,
brian
moffitt.
E
B
Hello
and
ricardo
cejo
is
also
not
able
to
make
it
today.
We
do
have
a
new
member
today,
and
I
will
let
thomas
introduce
himself
welcome.
Thank.
C
C
I
was
looking
for
a
way
to
be
more
involved
in
the
community
heard
about
this
opportunity
and
applied,
and
I
lived
in
new
york
for
like
20
years
or
so
working
in
environmental
graphic
design,
which
is
like
specializing
in
like
wayfinding,
which
is
like
creating
branded
environments,
signage
maps.
C
I
worked
on
a
lot
of
projects
with
architecture
firms,
design
companies,
unlike
public
projects
for
like
hospitals,
transit
agencies,
universities,
cities
and
I
also
taught
at
pratt
institute
in
brooklyn
for
several
years
and
I'm
currently
a
design
cult
and
consulting
for
several
hospitals
in
new
york
and
also
a
boston
design,
firm
and
electric
car
manufacturing
company
in
california.
B
So
we
do
have
a
quorum,
so
we
can
vote
on
the
agenda.
Okay,
I
will
start
with
our
agenda
and
the
first
thing
we
need
to
do
is
approve
the
minutes
from
the
august
18
2022
meeting.
B
G
B
C
A
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen.
I
emailed
out
a
copy
of
this
presentation
earlier
today.
It's
also
in
the
documents
folder
for
the
meeting
in
case
anyone's
following
or
following
along
and
wants
a
better,
better
view
of
it
or
wants
to
be
able
to
click
on
the
hyperlinks
in
the
document.
A
A
I
think
that
distinction
distinction
is
important
to
understand-
and
this
is
just
a
brief
presentation,
that'll
kind
of
hopefully
segue
into
on
any
kind
of
discussion
or
questions
that
members
have
it's
kind
of
a
follow-up
to
just
a
meaning
between
rob
and
brian,
from
the
respective
downtown
and
riverfront
commissions
and
staff
about
you
know
some
of
these
projects
and
how
they
interact
with
the
downtown
riverfront
commissions
as
well.
A
So
hopefully,
it
kind
of
gets
folks
a
little
more
on
the
same
page
and
we
can
address
any
questions
and
issues
a
couple.
A
couple
newer
folks
on
the
on
the
committee
as
well,
so
it
never
hurts
to
refresh
folks
about
about
the
drc
so
and
these
slides
are
only
three
of
them,
but
they're
they're
a
little
bit
needy.
A
So
just
as
a
reminder
that
the
design
review
committee,
you
know
how
everything
can
be
found
in
the
udo,
so
you
know
we're
not
making
the
rules
as
we
go
they're
all
it's
all
mapped
out,
maybe
it's
not
always
in
the
same
section
of
the
udo,
but
as
far
as
how
the
committee
functions,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
information
is
prescribed
in
that
the
specific
role
you
know
stated.
I
think
I
mean
the
highlights
in
some
of
that
text
is
that
the
guidelines
do
not
dictate
architectural
styles.
A
A
So,
as
you
know,
there
are
three
the
downtown,
the
riverfront
and
the
hotel
overlay,
which
includes
areas
outside
of
the
downtown
and
riverfront,
where
hotels
can
be
allowed
by
right,
and
then
you
know
something
is
a
good
reminder
is
that
you
know
all
the
decisions
that
the
committee
makes
and
then
the
recommendations
that
staff
gives
about
a
formal
review
of
projects.
A
That's
all
based
on
the
adopted
guideline
documents,
so
we
have
three
of
those:
the
downtown
design
guidelines,
the
riverfront
river
district
design
guidelines
and
then
the
design
guidelines
for
hotels
outside
of
the
downtown
and
river
areas.
So
the
hotel
overlay
areas
outside
of
those
two
design
areas
there's
a
specific
set
of
guidelines
as
well.
A
Now
these
the
projects
that
are
downtown
and
in
the
riverfront
areas
also
get
reviewed
by
the
downtown
commission
and
the
cashflow
area.
Riverfront
redevelopment
commission
and
you
know,
staff
relays
those
those
comments
to
the
drc
in
the
staff
report
and
presentation,
mostly
mostly
focusing
on
the
design,
related
comments.
A
Although
I
think
we
pretty
much
just
relay
all
the
comments
that
are
discussed
those
meetings,
you
know
those
two
bodies
are
a
little
more,
I
guess,
holistic,
in
their
review
of
proposed
projects,
so
they
you
know,
take
into
consideration
a
number
of
factors
of
projects
such
as
like
the
social
environmental,
economic
impact,
as
well
as
the
character
and
design
and
how
it
fits
into
the
area.
A
They
also
take
into
consideration
things
like
the
you
know,
downtown
master
plan
and
the
comprehensive
play,
and
so
just
as
kind
of
a
way
to
say
that
you
know
those
those
bodies
review
these
projects
as
well.
They
provide
comments
that
are
much
broader
than
what
the
drc
considers,
but
we
try
to
kind
of
roll
that
discussion
into
the
staff
report
for
the
drc's
review
so
they're
aware
of
it,
and
that,
and
also
specifically,
that
design
related
items
get
get
communicated
as
well.
A
Throughout
some
conversations
we
kind
of
had
offline
we've
identified
a
couple
improvements
going
forward.
One
is
a
long-standing
initiative
to
update
the
design
guidelines
for
the
downtown
and
river
districts.
A
We've
recently
kind
of
re-figured
our
departmental
work
plan
based
on
our
current
staffing
levels
and
identified
this
as
a
priority,
not
an
immediate
one,
but
perhaps
you
know
early
to
mid
2023
once
we're
up
to
more
staffing
levels
and
have
the
capacity
to
handle
it.
A
But
it's
certainly
on
our
our
work
plan
purview
going
forward
and
something
that
we
can
probably
do
a
little
more
interim
in
the
in
the
shorter
time
frame
is
providing
some
kind
of
summary
document
about
the
guidelines
and
about
the
drc
in
general
for
applicants
and
even
the
public,
to
better
understand,
what's
in
the
guidelines,
how
the
drc
functions
and
reviews
projects
and
and
makes
decisions
based
on
those
guidelines,
you
know
so
the
guidelines
documents
can
be
pretty
lengthy,
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
there.
So
we
were.
A
I
think
the
idea
was
that
some
kind
of
summary
to
help
folks
understand
the
most.
The
most
salient
points
would
be
would
be
useful
for
folks.
So
it's
a
little
more
accessible.
A
And
then
just
like
this
slide
just
talks
about
the
types
of
projects
that
the
drc
reviews.
So
basically,
there
are
kind
of
three
main
types
of
projects
and
three
bullets
here:
major
works,
minor
works,
and
then
I
guess
projects
that
kind
of
fall
in
between
in
this
gray
area.
So
a
major
work
is
a
project.
That's
not
that's
considered
a
level
one
two
or
three
in
our
udo
level.
A
You
can
see
here
it
includes
additions,
renovations
or
demolitions
of
structures
greater
than
5000
square
feet.
So
basically,
any
new
building
project
falls
in
one
of
those
three
levels
and,
and
they
get
reviewed
by
the
drc,
minor
works
can
be
approved
by
staff.
So
these
are
relatively
small
projects
where
there's,
maybe
just
a
building
permit
called
on
a
property
in
the
downtown
or
the
riverfront
area
includes
things
like
a
lot
of
its
interior
work
that
we
can
that
I
can.
A
A
See
things
like
painting,
landscaping,
signage
parking
features
that
kind
of
thing,
building
additions
that
are
500
square
feet
or
less
for
contributing
structures
or
1500
square
feet
or
less
for
other
structures,
and
then
finally,
I
just
wanted
to
call
out
that
there
are
projects
that
don't
need
the
definition
of
really
either
major
reminder
works.
A
A
good
example
of
this
are
like
storefront
that
we've
seen
a
couple
recently,
both
of
which
run
lexington
ave
one
on
north
one
on
south
lexington,
so
those
are
kind
of
projects
that
maybe
maybe
I
air
on
the
side
of
caution
and
bring
it
to
the
drc,
because
they
certainly
change
the
exterior
appearance
of
buildings
in
a
design
review
area,
but
they're,
not
a
level
one,
two
or
three
major
work,
so
that's
kind
of
how
the
projects
types
of
projects
hash
out
for
drc
or
staff
review.
A
And
finally,
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is
maybe
maybe
going
to
meet.
The
meat
of
our
discussion
today
is
projects
in
the
hotel,
overlake
districts
that
the
drc
reviews
so
essentially
projects
hotel
projects.
If
they're
in
these
overlay
areas,
which
are
linked,
I
think
there's
a
link
there
or
if
you
go
to
map
asheville,
there's
a
layer
for
zoning
overlay,
hotel
areas
and
essentially
there
are
a
couple
different
areas,
one
of
which
is
district,
a
which
allows
for
large
and
small
hotels
and
then
district
b
that
allows
for
small
hotels.
A
Projects
can
basically
seek
to
bypass
city
council,
review
and
approval
if
they
are
in
these
overlays
and
get
a
positive
review
by
the
drc,
and
essentially
what
it
says
is
that
they
can
be
considered
a
level
one
or
two,
as
long
as
the
total
square
footage
of
the
other
uses.
Besides,
the
hotel
is
less
than
a
100
000
square
feet
and
they
have
to
be
compliant
with
all
the
zoning
requirements
of
the
of
the
underlying
zoning
code,
as
well
as
the
operational
design
standards
for
hotels,
which
is
the
third
bullet.
A
There
links
links
to
that
section
of
the
udo
that
has,
in
addition
to
the
zoning
requirements
of
the
underlying
zoning.
There
are
special
requirements
for
hotels
as
well,
but
then
you
know.
The
second
requirement
is
also
then
that
the
advocate
voluntarily
incorporates
the
recommendations
of
the
designer
view
committee,
as
demonstrated
by
an
affirmative
majority
vote,
and
you
know
so.
Consideration
of
the
hotel
projects
is
really
limited
to
the
design
of
the
project
based
on
the
guiding
guidelines,
whether
it's
downtown
or
riverfront,
or
just
the
hotel
overlay
districts
outside
of
those
two
areas.
A
So,
while
you
know
my
discussion
might
come
up
around
areas
and
things
unrelated
to
to
the
design,
you
know
we
try
to
keep
it
very
focused
on
the
design
of
the
project
and
staff.
You
know
analyzes
and
prepares
the
reports
about
how
the
proposed
hotel
meets
the
the
code
and
the
udo
and
the
operational
design
standards,
and
you
know
that
that's
kind
of
where
that
discussion
about
you
know
those
types
of
things.
A
It
should
really
be
focused
on
the
design
of
the
project
and
then
based
on
the
relevant
guidelines,
and
if,
if
the
applicant
doesn't
voluntarily
incorporate
the
recommendations
of
drc-
or
you
know,
the
drc
doesn't
feel
comfortable
approving
the
design
of
the
project
based
on
guidelines.
You
know:
that's
that's.
Okay,
too.
A
Projects
can
always
opt
for
for
city
council
review
of
the
of
the
hotel
projects
that
they
can't
get
an
affirmative
vote
of
the
drc.
So
I'm
really
just
trying
to
say
that,
like
you
know,
drc
should
really
only
focus
on
the
design
of
these
proposed
projects,
but
if
they
can't
support
the
design
of
the
project
based
on
the
guidelines,
then
they
have
every
right
to
to
not
give
a
affirmative
vote
for
the
project.
A
So
that's
that's
really
about
it.
Hopefully
that
doesn't
muddy
the
waters
and
makes
things
a
little
bit
clearer,
but
just
want
to
use
that
as
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
get
folks
a
little
bit
more
on
the
same
page
provide
some
resources
of
links
to
more
information.
B
Thanks
will
kimberly
has
raised
a
hand
so.
D
Yeah
that
thanks
well,
I
love
being
on
the
same
page.
So
thanks
for
this,
is
it
a
good
time
or
even
if
it's
appropriate,
are
there
past
projects,
maybe
something
that's
already
been
approved?
D
You
know
we
wouldn't
go
back
and
review
it
again,
where
you
can
give
maybe
a
good
example
of
level
one
or
two
of
the
total
square
footage
of
the
uses
other
than
hotel
or
less
than
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet
like
just
concretely,
so
that,
because
I'm
an
extremely
visual
big
picture
person,
so
I
can
kind
of
see
it
from
a
different
lens.
Besides
words,
that
would
be
great.
D
A
Yeah
now
I'm
just
off
top
of
my
head,
the
one
that
was
reviewed
most
recently
was
this
edmonton
broadway
hotel,
and
I
think
that
was
level
two
I
think
their
overall
square
footage
is
was
just
less
than
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet,
but
really
it
could
be
a
pretty
big
building.
A
You
know,
typically,
a
project
downtown
if
it's
over
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet
has
to
get
a
conditional
zoning
and
go
to
city
council,
but
but
this
allows,
for
you
know
pretty
big
building
with
with
a
lot
of
to
be
a
pretty
league
hotel
really
as
long
as
the
other
uses.
So
the
retail
commercial.
D
Residential
space,
as
long
as
that
is
less
than
half
a
thousand
square
feet
it
can,
it
can
still
be
reviewed
without
getting
conditional
zoning
and
what
about
like,
extended
stay
like
that
had
like
you
know,
I
don't
know
a
banquet
or
hall
or
something
attached
to
it
like
how
would
that
fit
in
here
and
again,
I
don't
mean
to
ask
ridiculous
questions.
I
just
love
being
on
the
same
page
with
people.
So
since
you
opened
up
pandora's
box,
I'm
like
give
it
to
me.
Tell
me
everything.
D
Well
with
that,
with
like
an
extended
stay
with
like
say
that
it
had
six
six
rooms
and
forty
thousand
square
feet,
and
I
know
this
doesn't
make
math
sense
in
other
space
right,
how?
What
would
that
look
like?
How
would
we
is
that
fall
under
this
level,
one
or
level
two
or
it
does
not,
because
it's
not
at
least
seven
seven
guest
rooms.
So
I
just
want
to
get
real
clear
for
myself.
D
Yes,
so
that
I'm
not
confused
when
I'm
looking
at
you
know.
Oh
there's
all
this
space,
that's
not
rooms,
you
know,
but
there
aren't
enough
rooms
or
there
are
too
many
rooms.
I
just
want
to
get
real
clear,
and
maybe
we
should
just
have
a
meeting
where
I
come
to
your
office,
and
we
can
talk
about
this.
Personally,
I
don't
know
thanks.
A
Absolutely
yeah,
so
I
think
I
think
it
needs
at
least
seven
guest
rooms.
That's
how
a
small
hotel
is
defined
is
between
seven
and
35
guest
rooms.
A
So
I
think
if
it
has
fewer
than
seven
it
couldn't
it
couldn't
be
a
hotel
it'd,
be
too
small
and
I'd
say
any
uses
that
are
like
related
to
the
hotel
would
probably
just
be
considered
part
of
the
hotel
use.
So
things
like
a
lobby
or
probably
a
hotel
square
footage.
Use,
I
mean
things
like
a
restaurant
that
are
open
to
the
public
and
open
to
guests
would
probably
be
a
separate,
would
be
the
other
use
calculation.
A
A
I
guess
we
probably
want
to
look
at
you
know:
what's
the
square
footage
of
the
retail
and
the
residential
and
and
then
that
kind
of
drives,
if
it's
under
100
000
square
feet,
then
the
drc
can
review
it
extended.
Stay
hotels
are
a
little
bit
different,
they're
a
separate
definition
because
they
have
like
a
kitchen
involved,
but
I
believe
they'd
be.
A
Would
still
be
considered
as
part
of
the
hotel
overlay
in
the
large
hotel
overlay
they're
defined
as
containing
36
or
more
individual
units
or
sweets,
providing
accommodations
for
sleeping
sanitation
and
kitchen,
but
I
sometimes
get
all
turned
around
some
of
these
definitions
myself.
So
we'd
probably
have
to
like
see
that
to
understand
a
little
bit
what
that
would
look
like,
but
that
is
a
little
bit.
D
Do
you
think
and
I'd
be
willing
to
like
work
on
this,
like,
as
you
know,
volunteer
time,
but,
like
a
ru,
I
know
this
is
gonna
sound
dumb,
but
like
a
rubric
of
where
we
even
could
like
use
past
projects
within
last,
like
18
months
and
like
create
a
rubric
that
fits
within
these
definitions
to
say
like
this.
Even
if
it
didn't
come
to
us
necessarily
or
we
thought
it
should
have
come
to
us
or
if
it
was
before,
we
were
formed
like
some
key
projects
where
we
let
go.
D
A
C
A
Mean
yeah:
no,
I
hear
you,
I
think
I
think
we
could
do
that
pretty
easily
I'd,
be
glad
to
put
something
together:
yeah,
based
on
some
of
our
past
agendas
and
the
types
of
projects
that
we've
been
reviewing
and
based
on
square
footage
and
yeah.
Why
was
it
level
one
and
why
it
was
level
two
and
then
some
visuals
that
that
would
look
like
and
yeah.
That
would
be
helpful,
but
it
was
just
focusing
on
the
hotel
hotels
that
have
been
reviewed,
yeah,
okay,
yeah.
A
D
Coming
through
yeah
thanks
and
I
think,
and
it
would
help
like
developers
coming
forward
from
just
as
a
body
like
us
all
understanding
like
what's
been,
whether
we
were
here
yet
or
not.
What's
been
reviewed
in
the
past,
how
we
used
the
udo
and
the
hotel
overlay
district
and
all
of
these
pieces
to
evaluate
in
the
past,
not
that
we're
going
to
do
the
same
thing,
but
there's
some
level
of
consistency
right
and
I
think
it
could
be
really
useful.
B
That's
good
feedback.
Can
we
thanks?
One
thing
that
I
find
helpful
about
this
is,
I
feel,
like
we've
had
a
couple
projects
recently,
one
was
a
apartment
building
and
one
was
a
hotel
where
there's
construction
going
on
my
house.
I'm
sorry
where
there
was
some
annoyance,
because
I
think
that
that
it
wasn't
clear
how
we
were
backing
up
our
comments
with
the
design
standards.
B
So
I
think
that
that's
gonna
be
helpful,
but
it's
also
going
to
be
harder
to
critique
design
if
we
are
only
using
the
design
standards.
For
that.
That's
that's!
That's
what
I
worry
about
so
catherine.
G
Yeah,
I
I
agree
with
you
robin,
and
I
also
was
wondering
about
the
the
updating
of
the
design
guidelines,
I'd
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
What
that
process
is.
Are
there
particular
sections
that
you're
looking
into
and
then
is
there
a
representative
from
any
of
the
commissions
or
the
committees
that
are
as
part
of
that
process?
Maybe
you
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
A
Yeah
we
haven't
really
fleshed
out
what
the
process
would
look
like.
Yet
I
mean
we
could
do
some
small
updates
to
it
or
we
could
just
wholesale
rewrite
documents
and
we
can
still
incorporate
a
lot
of
information.
A
lot
of
the
guidelines
still,
but
you
know.
E
I
think
the
downtown
guidelines
are
over
20
years
old
and
riverfront
isn't
much
newer,
yeah
right,
I
was
just
going
to
say
you
know:
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
past,
so
so
catherine
quickly,
we
don't
have
the
funding
set
aside
to
in
terms
of
staff
time
or
outside
consultant.
To
really
you
know,
rework
the
guidelines.
E
The
way
I
think
most
of
us
would
like
to
see
them
reworked
where
we
had
a
you
know
a
full
kind
of
year
and
a
half
two
year
process
go
through
look
at
all
of
them,
come
up
with
a
really
nice
form
code
document
that
that
walks
through
and
and
you
know,
brings
us
into
you
know
at
least
the
end
of
the
19th
century.
Not
the
you
know
anyway,
so
you
know,
but
so
one
of
the
things
we've
briefly
talked
about
is
is
okay.
What
can
we
do
in
the
meantime?
E
And
so
I
know
I've
started
to
identify
a
few
things
you
know.
I
would
like
to
just
a
brief
example.
I
want
to
rework
the
language
that
talks
about
building
organization
and
hierarchy
that
mentions
base
middle
cap.
I
want
to
rework
that
language.
So
that
it's
clear
that
that's
not
required
that
base
middle
cap
is
not
required,
but
we
are
looking
for
some
kind
of
you
know
organizational
principle
instead,
so
so
there's
some
language
tweaks
like
that
that
I
think
we
can
get
into.
E
You
know
when,
when
you
have
forcing
everybody
to
step
a
building
back
the
way
the
way
our
code's
written
right
now
is
really
odd,
and
I
think
we're
getting
some
odd
results
as
a
as
a
part
of
it,
and
then
I
think,
there's
some
additional
things
just
in
terms
of
building
planning
and
hierarchy
and
organization
that
we
could
probably
tweak
reasonably
well,
and
that
would
be
something
at
least
I
know
when
will
and
robin-
and
I
kicked
this
around-
that
we
would
be
involving
anything
with
the
downtown,
would
would
involve
the
downtown
commission.
E
Anything
on
riverfront
would
obviously
you
know,
grab
those
groups
and
anything
for
either.
One
of
them
would
involve
this
group.
I
think,
before
we
brought
anything
back
to
council,
does
that
make
sense
will
does
that.
A
Yeah,
I
would
agree
with
that
completely.
There
are
some
things
that
wouldn't
really
need
a
council
review,
like
some
update
guidelines,
only
one
where
there
are
some
parts
of
the
guidelines
that
are
also
in
the
uvo
in
the
cbd
district,
for
instance,
and
those
require,
I
think
things
like.
E
F
E
A
Yeah
yeah,
it's
been
a
long
time,
a
long
goal
of
the
downtown
riverfront
commission
and
I
think,
since
we
now
have
a
designer
committee,
it
becomes
even
more
of
a
higher
priority.
So
whether
we
make
some
some
tweaks
in
the
meantime
or
do
you
start
with
a
wholesale
rewriting
sometime
next
year?
We
need
to
figure
that
out,
but
we'll
definitely
want
to
map
out
what
the
process
looks
like.
A
Obviously,
a
lot
of
involvement
with
a
lot
of
involvement
with
this
group,
a
lot
of
involvement
with
downtown
riverfront
commissions,
and
then
you
know
israel
was
the
public
engagement
side
of
looking
to
something
we
kind
of
need
to
think
about
as
well
so
yeah,
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
answers
about
how
how
it
would
look,
but
just
like
just
like,
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
questions,
but
I
you
know,
I
definitely
could
see
being
a
lot
of
involvement
from
this
committee.
No.
D
Yeah,
I
wanted
to
say
that
I
serve
on
a
committee
in
another
municipality
that
they
have
taken
like
micro,
in
a
mineral
update
approach
so
like
every
month,
there's
another
change
or
a
revision.
D
That
actually
is
super
useful
for
establishing
progress
in
like
guidelines
and
such
design,
guidelines
and
development
guidelines,
and
so
I
would
recommend
it
actually
gets
a
lot
done
very
quickly
and
it's
been
real,
consistent
like
for
the
last
eight
months.
There's
always
something
on
the
docket.
That's
getting
revised
change!
Tweaked!
We
discuss
it.
It
gets
you
know,
flushed
out
questions,
and
it's
really
coming
from
similar
to
this
group
from
either.
D
You
know
long-standing
community
complaints,
professionals
who
are
complaining
about
design
guidelines,
and
it's
just
these
core
key
things
that
are
being
addressed,
nobody's
trying
to
tackle
the
whole
thing.
It's
it's
like.
Let's
just
keep
the
ball
rolling
and
it's
actually
been
really
nice,
because
you're,
seeing
and
activated
progress
and,
at
the
same
time,
you're
not
being
held
back
by
all
the
hoops
on
really
big
things
that
get
tied
to
other.
You
know
like
udos
and
they
have
to
go
through
this
process
process
or
another
process.
So
I
would
recommend
just
from
experience
we.
G
B
A
Yeah
feel
free
to
out
there's
any
questions,
or
you
want
to
have
more
discussion
about
this
or
you
know
if
we
get
another
hotel
project,
maybe
folks
want
to
brush
brush
up
again
on
it
and
and
I'm
glad
we
kind
of
do
a
little
more
background
work
about
you
know
either
how
we've
reviewed
projects
in
the
past
or
when
a
new
project
comes
up
really
laid
things
out,
maybe
a
little
more
clearly
in
the
staff
report
and
the
presentation
and
that
kind
of
thing
make
sure
we're
on
the
same
page
but
yeah.
A
I'll,
just
reiterate
that
you
know
everything
is
either
in
the
euro
or
it's
in
the
guidelines,
and
you
know
at
least
that
do
some
good
some
good
footing.
B
To
stand
on
so
thanks
for
thanks
for
the
time
to.
Let
me
present
this
to
you
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have
more
discussion
about
any
or
all
of
this
going
forward.
B
Thanks
will
thanks
everybody.
The
next
item
we
have
is
an
informal
design,
review,
137,
biltmore
avenue
but
more
pavilion,
and
it
is
being
brought
forward
by
my
firm.
So
I
will
recuse
myself
on
this
discussion
and
hand
it
off
to
will.
A
A
A
I'll
take
it
away
and
yeah.
If
you
could
introduce
yourself,
introduce
the
project,
give
some
background
presentation
and
then
we'll
open.
F
F
So
I'm
jeff
dalton,
I
am
with
world
house
architects
and
work
with
robin
and
we
hold
on
one
second.
F
All
right,
so
these
are
the
three
is
well
they're.
Actually,
four,
four
historic
buildings
on
biltmore
avenue,
just
down
from
the
orange
peel
and
they're
being
renovated
to
a
20
room.
Hotel
project
was
approved
in
march
of
2019
and
construction
started
about
a
maybe
a
year
ago
and
the.
C
F
F
Gather
have
some
sort
of
event:
there's
a
there's,
a
commercial
kitchen
in
137,
but
there's
a
very
limited
eating
area,
so
they're
thinking
they're
going
to
have
maybe
have
some
special
pop-up
food
events
in
the
pavilion
and
workshops,
and
you
know,
writers
come
and
create.
You
know
have
some
seminars
and
meetings,
and
things
like
that.
So
this
is
the
site
plan
and
the
area
that
we're
looking
to
build.
The
pavilion
is
in
the
back
of
137
biltmore
and.
C
F
Up
to
this
base
of
this
pavilion
is
about
18
feet.
We've
got
a
retaining
wall
here,
so
it's
very
much
above
the
level
of
lexington,
and
here
is
an
old
planting
plan
and
there's
this
this
whole
retaining
wall
area
is
heavily
planted,
so
it's
kind
of
up
in
the
air
and
not
all
that
visible
from
the
street.
F
D
F
F
C
F
Is
145
biltmore,
which
is
a
eight-story
condominium
and
that
that
backside
is
getting
lots
of
plants
to?
I
guess
shield
both
views.
F
F
B
E
Quick
quick
question:
what
will
based
on
everything
we
just
talked
about
what
what's
our
purview
here?
What
what
are
we?
E
A
Yeah,
I
know
I
appreciate
that
very
pressing
question
so
yeah,
so
I
think
it's
a
level
one
probably
based
on
square
footage.
It's
definitely
a
major
work,
so
you
all
will
be
reviewing
it.
It
would
be
in
it's
located
in
the
downtown
design
overlay
area,
so
the
downtown
design
guidelines
come
to
come
into
play.
A
I
think,
ultimately,
when
it
comes
to
for
formal
review,
it'll
be
part
of
a
amendment
to
the
conditional
zoning.
That's
currently
in
place
as
it's
not
yeah,
since
it's
not
on
part
of
that
old
conditional
zoning,
you
don't
need
to
be
amended
to
allow
for
for
it
to
be
constructed,
but
before.
E
E
Okay,
and
was
there
anything,
is
there
anything
in
terms
of
historic
tax
credits
or
anything
in
terms
of
making
keeping
congruity
with
those
parcels.
D
Kimberly
yeah
thanks,
so
I'm
just
gonna
say
what
I
think,
I'm
a
little
confused
only
because
I
remember
this
original
presentation.
So
first
of
all
will
are
we
kind
of
ixnaying
any
historical
understanding
we
have
about
what
this
was
supposed
to
be
and
how,
like
again
the
historical
thing.
D
I
remember
that
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
like
what's
my
role,
because
I
I
for
some
reason
this
one's
deeply
embedded
in
my
memory
and
I'm
having
a
hard
time
incorporating
what
exactly
I'm
supposed
to
say
on
this
when
at
I
think
we
reviewed
it
the
first
time
we
were
looking
at
the
entire
property.
What
could
be
done?
What
couldn't
be
done?
We're
talking
about
landscape
architecture,
we're
talking
about
so
many
pieces
and
now
we're
back
to
just
like
1p,
I'm
just
I'm
a
little
confused.
A
A
So
I
think,
for
this
building,
it's
really
understanding.
You
know
how
I
would
look
at
it
more
about
how
this
proposed
building
fits
into
the
context
of
the
existing
houses,
essentially
especially
the
ones
directly
adjacent
to,
and
I
think
I
think
they
provided
some
kind
of
elevations
and
renderings
about
that
relationship.
A
Ultimately,
you
know
the
formal
review
will
be
based
on
the
on
the
guidelines.
Mostly
or
you
know
specifically,
but
maybe
this
can
be.
This
in
a
formal
review
can
be
a
little
more
informal.
It
doesn't
have
to
necessarily
rely
100
on
the
guidelines.
It
could
be
more
about
your
reaction
to
the
proposed
building,
how
it
fits
in
with
the
character
and
how
the
design
relates
to
the
existing
houses
at
the
site.
D
Okay,
that's
useful!
So
what
materials
are
going
to
be
used
are
being
proposed.
D
It
feels
a
little
bit
and
this
isn't
a
dis.
It's
just
because
I
know
that
part
of
downtown
really
really
well
and
there's
so
many.
It
just
feels
a
little
bit
like
one
of
these
things
is
not
like
the
other,
because
you
have
the
historic
buildings
that
are
on
the
lot.
You
have
the
whole
lexington
station
situation
across
the
street
and
then
you
go
into
like
brewery
city
and
south
slip.
So
I
don't
know
brian.
Do
you
or
the
designed
folks
that
are
designers
like
what?
What
are
your
thoughts.
E
E
You
know
if
you're
using
materials,
okay
and
then
it's
just
transparency
and
we
we
we
keep
going
putting
on
my-
and
I
know
this
again,
I
understand
this
is
not
a
preservation
piece
and
I
also
understand
that
you
have
some
just
as
a
standalone
piece.
Her
little
sketches
were
delightful
as
a
it's
a
fun
little
piece.
I
just
don't
find
it
as
congruous
with
the
the
houses.
I
mean
that
victorian
style
the
roof
slopes.
E
Of
the
the
the
massing,
the
the
the
roof
slopes,
the
gables
it's
it's
kind
of
an
american
farmhouse
style.
Building
against
these
delightful
kind
of
victorian
they've
got
a
little
bit
of
shingle
a
little
bit
but
they're,
mostly
brick,
the
some
of
the
deep
it's
got,
the
you
know
the
italianate
details
in
terms
of
the
the
brackets
and
some
pieces,
like
that,
I
mean
they're,
really
fun
buildings
right.
E
I
know
you
guys
know
that
you're
better
at
that
than
I
am,
and
so,
and
even
the
little
out
building
in
the
back
is
just
a
it's
it's
you
know
the
only
clabbered
siding
lap
siding
is
just
in
the
gable
the
rest
of
it's
just
brick.
E
The
window
mullions
are
like,
I
think,
they're
eight
rates
anyway,
there's
just
a
lot
of
stuff
like
that
that
when
I
look
at
this,
it's
not
it's
not
congruence
with
what
what
what's
out
there,
and
so
I
I
know
if
you
had
been
just
given
the
opportunity,
jeff
and
robin
to
design
hey,
we
want
a
pavilion
back
here
behind
this
house.
You
would
probably
come
up
with
something
other
than
what
that
lady
sketched
and
I'd.
Like
to
see
your
design,
sorry,
not
sorry.
D
And
can
I
ask
another
question,
so
there
was
talk
about
potentially
repurposing
the
bricks
from
the
carriage
house.
Is
that
an
option
for
this?
I
know
this
is
in
the
original
discussion
in
2019.
D
Is
that
an
option
for
whatever
the
new
design
is,
which
would
kind
of
hold
true
to
the
the
flow
and
the
look
and
feel.
H
E
So
so
jeff
I'm
curious
what
how
would
you
characterize
the
significant
features
of
those
of
those
three
houses
and-
and
just
pretend
like
we
don't
have
a
proposal
in
front
of
us
and
if
you
were
gonna,
do
an
accessory
building
on
those.
What
pieces
would
you
want
to
pick
up.
C
F
F
D
A
F
C
A
F
F
H
Thanks
robin
jeff,
I
was
just
gonna.
Add
that
maybe
if
I
mean
I,
I
totally
agree
and
understand
that
you
know
you're
trying
to
do
differentiate
the
new
building,
but
I
wonder
if
it
could
like
just
at
least
ping
off
of
the
historic
building
with
some
small
details
so
that
it
has
some
it
feels
like
it
doesn't
really
have
a
relationship
to
it
and
it's
so
close
to
the
historic
building.
I
think
that's
another
thing.
H
E
E
I
for
me
it's
just
the
proportions,
the
the
the
the
break
in
the
sh,
the
way
that
hip
piece,
the
the
break
in
that
sheds
around
the
roof
slopes,
the
window,
mullion
and
patterning
on
those
groups
of
three
and
that
little
gable
end
that
all
reads
farmhouse
to
me,
and
you
know
the
when
I,
when
I
look
at
that
existing
building
and
it's
so
sizable
and
so
close,
it's
it's
beginning
to
read
less
and
less
like
in,
like
a
smaller
accessory
building
and
more
and
more
like
a
thing
in
its
own
right
and
then
I'm
I'm.
E
I
don't
know
where
I'm
going,
but
it
just
there's
something
about
it
like
again.
I
think
the
I
think
the
building
you've
got
is
a
a
nice
building.
I
think
the
sketches
that
you
were
going
off
of
was
a
nice
building.
I
just
don't
know
that
it's
it's
either
too
close
or
or
or
not
or
but,
but
not
close
enough
to
the
existing
buildings.
E
You
know,
like
I
mean
if
you
were
doing
just
a
glass
box
pavilion,
a
really
modern
piece
here,
we'd
be
having
one
discussion
and,
if
you,
but
but
the
way
that
it
is
right
now,
I
think
it
needs
to
be.
I
think
you
either
need
to
go
one
way
or
the
other.
I
think
you
need
to
go,
go
ahead
and
go
okay.
Let's
do
it
just
a
really
fun.
F
G
Alfred
yeah,
I
agree
as
well
and
on
let's
talk
about
that
side
of
lexington,
because
when
I
walk
on
to
that
side
of
town,
I
prefer
to
walk
along
lexington
than
biltmore
avenue
just
because
of
the
busyness
of
the
street.
And
so
I
wanted
to
look
at
the
site
plan
that
you
had
up
earlier.
G
C
G
B
G
F
You're
70.,
I
mean
it's
if,
if
you
know
that
stretch
there's
an
old
wooden
retaining
wall,
that's
failing
and
a
lot
of
vines
and
it's
a
it's
a
and
those
trees
are
gonna
are
not
in
good
health.
So
all
of
that's
being
replanted.
G
Yeah,
so
I
guess
what
I'm?
What
I'm
concerned
about
is
clearing
out
that
vegetation
which
needs
to
happen
and
then
a
very
tall
wall
up
against,
and
so
it
looks
like
there's
a
planting
area,
then
in
between
the
wall
and
the
sidewalk,
yes
and
like
what
is
that?
Maybe
six
feet,
just
hoping
that
there
can
be.
You
know
just
thinking
about
the
pedestrian
environment
along
that
sidewalk
and
like
what
the
material
the
wall
is.
It's
a
really
tall
wall
and,
like
maybe
vegetation
something
to
help
with
that
condition.
G
F
F
And
I
have
the
the
site:
work
is
not
in
our
contract
and
we've
not
been
all
that
involved
with
the
site
work,
but
I
do
know
that
it
went
through
trc
and
suzanne
godsey
steven
lear
you,
you
may
know
more
about
this
than
I
do,
but
well.
G
F
G
E
I'll
try
I'll
I'll
try.
I
again.
This
is
informal
and
again
my
understanding
is
is
that
this
is
not
a
historic
structure.
So
discussions
on
congruity
and
such
are
just
that
they're
just
discussions,
and
I
think
as
me,
this
is
one
of
those
mandatory
review.
Voluntary
compliance
will
am
I
right
so
far,
okay,
so
so,
under
that,
under
that
umbrella,
there
are
certain
things
you
would
have
to
do
to
to
meet
the
udo.
As
long
as
you
meet
the
udo
you
have
use
by
right.
E
So
I'll
preface
the
conversation
that
way,
but
but
inside
that
conversation
I
would
say
that,
while
I
think
the
design
that
you
have
presented
would
work
on
a
lot
of
different
sites,
the
proximity
to
and
the
just
the
delightful
design
of
the
existing
houses
along
biltmore,
specifically
the
one
you're
closest
to
at
137
biltmore.
E
Would
I
think
I
think
you
would
be
well
served.
Your
client
would
be
well
served
if
you
either
made
the
pavilion
more
congruous
with
137
and
keyed
off
of
some
of
the
the
massing,
the
fenestration,
and
I'm
really
the
the
the.
I
think
it's
the
masking
in
the
in
the
roof
pitches
and
the
slopes
that
I
was
kind
of
keying
off
of
in
the
fenestration
right
now.
I
think
you
have
a
farmhouse
style
accessory
building
juxtaposed
against
a
a
very
strong
kind
of
victorian.
E
That's
the
best
alex
you
can
jump
in
if
you
think,
I'm
or
honestly,
jeff
and
robin
are
better
at
that
than
I
am
anyway,
the
the
the
I
think
you
could
make
it
more
congruent
with
that,
or
I
think
you
put
a
really
fun,
not
that
that
wouldn't
be
fun.
I
just
mean
you
can
put
something
contemporary
here.
E
You
know,
in
other
words,
what
you
have
right
now,
because
it's
such
its
own
kind
of
strong,
traditional
style
in
terms
of
kind
of
a
farmhouse,
looking
style
juxtaposed
against
that
victorian
style.
I
don't
think
it's
congruence
with
the
house
and
if
you're
going
to
be
in
congruous,
be
all
the
way
in
congruous.
D
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
offer
a
different
design
perspective
that
kind
of
summarizes
what
brian
just
said.
So,
when
I
look
at
this
rendering,
I
see
like
an
english
garden
with
a
victorian
house
emphasizing
the
landscape
and
then
an
event
space
or
a
carriage
house
or
something
separate,
or
I
see
like
a
french
garden
and
when
you
do
that
in
the
middle
of
a
city,
I
think
you
know
the
way
to
think
about
the
added
building.
D
That's
going
to
be
added,
you
know,
100
years
later.
Whatever
is
that
modern
kind
of
nod
to
pulling
in
that
european
english,
with
the
historic,
historic,
victorian,
blah
blah
blah
with
the
modern
juxtaposition
that
goes
with
the
buildings
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
So
that's
like
my
two
cents,
because
that
is
to
me
how
that
part
of
biltmore
and
lex
are
perceived,
and
I
think
experientially.
D
B
Thanks
everybody
does
anybody
else,
have
anything
to
say:
if
not
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
topic,
which
is
future
discussion
topics?
A
Chair
this
is
something
that
has
kind
of
been
an
internal
discussion
that
likely
will
maybe
talk
more
about
at
our
next
meeting,
but
we,
as
staff
have
been
contemplating
the
idea
of
referencing
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
in
the
guidelines,
documents,
which
would
be
part
of
an
implementation
step
of
the
preservation
master
plan
that
the
city
has
adopted.
A
So
that's
just
something
kind
of
thrown
out
there
cold
at
the
moment
and
we're
kind
of
just
trying
to
consider.
You
know
if
that's
something
that
would
be
appreciated,
how
to
go
about
it
and
look
in
the
process
forward
and
get
everyone
on
the
same
page
about
it.
But
we
think
it'd
be
a
valuable
supplement
as
as
this
discussion
has
revealed,
we're
looking
at
the
downtown
design
guidelines
for
a
project.
Just
like
the
one.
We
were
just
talking
about
that
some
extra.
E
I
want
to
be
real
careful
when
you
start
pulling
those
into
our
downtown
design
a
lot
of
times.
A
lot
of
designers
see
anything
to
do
with
secretary
of
interior
standards
or
anything
historic,
and
they
immediately
think
we're
trying
to
spray
the
craggle
on
it
and
they're
going
to
try
to
reproduce
or
key
off
of
and
you're
going
to
get
less
modern
designs.
E
They
encourage
it
actually
as
a
way
of
differentiating
historic,
preserved
structures,
but
I
just
know
how
designers
react
and
I
want
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
we
don't
communicate
something
to
them.
We're
not
wanting
to
do
alex
knows
more
about
this
than
me.
Let
her
go.
H
Thanks,
I
should
back
up
and
say,
because
I
know
there
are
folks
on
this
call
that
don't
know
me
I
I
am
the
city's
historic
preservation
planner.
So
that's
why
I'm
chiming
in
here
today,
but
yeah.
So
as
well
mentioned,
it
is
a
goal
in
the
historic
preservation
master
plan
that
that
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
be
incorporated
into
the
downtown
design
guidelines
as
an
appendix
or,
however,
we
want
to
do
it.
H
You
know
to
me
that's
kind
of
the
opposite
of
what
the
intent
of
the
standards
is,
and
I
think
that
they're
they're
well
written
to
you
know
to
kind
of
speak
to
what
we
were
just
talking
about
about.
You
know
jeff's
comment
about
differentiating
the
the
new
building
from
the
old,
and
I
really
do
think
that
that
supports
a
very
contemporary
design,
like
obviously
arca's
project
at
the
art
museum
is
a
great
example
of
how
that
can
be
really
successful,
but
I
think
you
know.
Obviously,
this
is
a
great
example.
H
This
project
we
were
just
discussing
as
well
as
the
one
we
looked
at
on
lexington
avenue
last
time
around
it's
it's
a
really.
It
would
be
really
low
low
hanging
fruit
for
this
group
to
kind
of
incorporate
those
standards
so
that,
when
we're
just
looking
at
contributing
buildings,
mainly
that
that's
where
we're
referencing
the
standards
because
like
when
I
was
writing
the
staff
report
for
that
project
on
lexington
avenue,
you
know
my
mind
as
a
preservationist.
H
I
am
referencing
those
standards,
but
I
can't
really
formally
do
that
to
this
group,
since
you
haven't
adopted
them,
so
just
something
to
consider
as
we're
kind
of
talking
through.
You
know,
potential
updates
to
the
to
the
design
standards
for
for
this
group,
and
then
you
know,
maybe
that's
an
option
for
something
that
can
be
easily
easily.
D
H
E
Of
course,
we
never
formally
closed
your
formal
information.
F
A
tax
credit
project:
they
don't
want
to
follow
those
standards
and,
if
they're
doing
one
they've
got
to
anyway,
so
don't
make
someone
who's
not
doing
a
tax
credit
project
follow
those
standards
because
there
are,
there
are
reasons
people
do
do
a
historic
project
and
the
reasons
they
don't
and
some
of
the
great
buildings
are.
You
know
historic
buildings
and
rehabs
are
not.
F
F
E
Yeah
that
I
think
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
say
jeff-
is
that
if
you
for
for
a
certain
kind
of
architect
it
it
pings
in
our
head,
when
you
say
that
it's
like
oh,
I
need
to
get
into
this
mode
and
and
then
I
I
just
threw
out
a
whole
ton
of
options
that
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
We
would
want
to
encourage
people
to
do
something,
but
then
I
think
what
alex
was
talking
about
jeff
is
like.
E
I
think
it
was
the
last
one,
maybe
the
one
before
a
little
bit
known
lexington
somebody
was
replacing
some
storefront
or
some
windows,
and
it
was
one
of
those
where
they're
not
really
trying
to
do
anything
but
they're
just
doing
something
and
and
then
you
know
we
as
abortion
like
well.
How
do
we
judge
what
they're
doing
and
there
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
would
give
us
some
helpful
guidance,
even
if
we
weren't
constrained
by
every
a
jot
and
tittle
of
it.
B
I
think
the
wording
in
the
design
guidelines
or
wherever
it's
play
studio,
that
it
would
have
to
say
that
this
is
used
specifically
for
his
I
mean
I
think
we
would
have
to
somehow
say
this
is
for
historic,
tax
credit
projects
or
projects
trying
to
preserve
something
I
mean
just
so
that
you
know
if
the
project
isn't
getting
historic
tax
credits
we
wouldn't
tie
into
it.
E
H
I
don't
think
we've
figured
that
out
yet,
and
the
other
thing
I
would
say
about
the
tax
credit
thing
is
that
you
know
that's
problematic
because
of
how
long
it
takes
for
a
project
to
get
certified
from
the
park
service.
I
think
that
the
one
commercial
project
I
worked
on
took
seven
years
to
get
certified
and
it
would
be
impossible
for
the
city
to
follow
that
with
you
know,
a
developer
so
and,
and
obviously
you
may
not
eventually
get
certified
it
just
depends
on.
H
You
know
what
decisions
are
made
in
that
in
the
application
process.
So
I
hear
I
totally
hear
what
you're
what
you're
saying
robin
about
trying
to
define
it
somehow
in
terms
of
like
what
at
what
point
do
we,
you
know
utilize
the
those
standards.
H
D
Yeah
hey
well,
I
heard
what
you
said
a
little
bit
different,
so
I'm
gonna
just
offer
my
two
cents
in
a
different
way,
so
I
do
have
a
background
in
design
in
a
very
different
field,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
often
think
about
is
the
ability
to
innovate
and
you
know
building
sound
a
really
long
time
if
you're
lucky
in
terms
of
end
of
useful
life
and
the
the
design.
You
know
what
you're
talking
about.
What
I
heard
is.
You
know.
I've
said
this
often
but
design
at
an
at
a
scale.
D
You
know
there's
some
sensory
changes
that
are
happening
in
design.
There
are
lots
of
different
applications
that
are
going
to
be
continuously
improved
over
the
next
10
to
15
years,
and
so
when
we
get
real
granular
in
certain
areas,
we
limit
some
aspects
of
how
designers
see
innovation
and
incorporating
like
what's
happening
now
with
like
the
box
of
what
somebody
said,
maybe
five
years
before
so
for
me,
I
just
think
there's
so
many
other
areas
that
we
touch
that
have
to
be
regulated.
D
B
All
right,
good
discussion
does
anybody
else
have
anything
to
add,
or
do
we
want
to
move
on
next
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment?
Do
we
have
anybody
waiting
in
the
queue.
E
B
Do
not
have
any
callers
on
the
queue
okay.
Thank
you.
Well,
if
that's
the
case,
then
this
meeting
is
finished
and
welcome.
C
F
B
He's
not
going
to
leave
unless
we
end
this
meeting.
So,
let's,
let's
close
the
meeting,
see
you
guys
next
month
thanks
everybody.