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A
In
the
ordinances
for
the
hrc,
I
would
like
now
to
welcome
our
newest
commissioner,
georgie
ann
falcon,
georgie
georgine.
Thank
you
and
we'll
now
ask
commission
members
to
introduce
themselves
and
say
a
sentence
or
two
about
their
background
or
experience
as
it
relates
to
serving
in
the
commission.
So,
let's
start
on
this
side.
A
Real
estate,
I
do
a
lot
of
historic
commercial
renovations.
A
I
guess
gail
lazarus
background
historic
preservation,
act
and
historic
building
renovations.
D
F
A
D
A
C
Finding
that
I
make
a
motion
to
pass
the
minutes
from
the
meeting.
D
A
A
A
G
B
D
C
240
pearson
and
119.
A
Second,
so
all
in
favor
all
right.
Thank
you
as
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
hrc
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
The
hrc
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies.
The
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district
for
that
application.
D
Thank
you
vice
chair
lazarus
and
members
of
the
commission
for
being
here
today.
So
sorry,
if
I
seem
a
little
bit
disjointed
as
I'm,
giving
this
staff
report
to
you,
I'm
not
used
to
using
our
new
our
new
video
set
up
so
bear
with
me,
but
so
the
first
item
for
83
west
chestnut
is
for
a
small
addition
on
the
rear
elevation
of
this
little
kind
of
taurian
you've
got
kind
of
has
a
little
bit
of
a
gothic
vibe
to
it.
D
It's
on
the
corner
of
west
chestnut
street
and
short
magnolia,
so
I'm
just
going
to
run
through
the
photos
really
quickly
and
then
I'll
move
on
to
the
onto
the
elevation
drawing.
So
this
is
the
another
view
of
the
front
elevation,
and
this
is
a
straight
on
of
the
rear
elevation.
D
As
you
can
see
it's
there,
there
are
a
few
of
these
little
cottages
in
montford
that
have
these
sort
of
more
complex
roof
forms
on
the
back,
which
really
lovely
but
hard
to
work
with,
as
you
might
imagine,
for
an
addition,
as
far
as
the
montford
design
standards
get
pretty
down
into
the
weeds
on
horizontal
elements,
not
aligning
and
those
sorts
of
things
so,
but
otherwise
material
wise,
they
should
match
and
be
really
similar
in
appearance.
D
I
I
say
that
first,
because
it
sort
of
it
differs
a
little
bit
from
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards,
which
a
lot
of
people
are
really
familiar
with
when
it
comes
to
additions,
they
read
that
the
diff
that
that,
in
addition,
should
be
differentiated,
whereas
the
montford
standards
say
that
it
should
match
so
so
this
is
the
building
plans,
as
you
can
see
from
the
site
plan
on,
I
need
my
little
pointer
different
than
the
projector
screen.
D
So
if
you're,
looking
at
the
site
plan,
the
dark
shape
of
the
main
house
you
can
see
on
the
on
the
the
top
like
extending
from
the
top
side
of
the
of
the
house,
is
that
little
it
looks
like
a
box
with
an
accident.
That's
the
addition.
D
So
it's
pretty
small,
I
met
when
I
first
met
with
the
applicant.
They
showed
me
some
plans
that
showed
that
we
talked
through
kind
of
some
of
the
potential
challenges
around
coming
off
of
the
back
elevation
for
the
edition.
D
As
you
can
see,
like
top
right,
that's
looking
straight
on
at
the
back
with
the
new
addition
and
below
is
what's
existing,
so
we
talked
through
kind
of
the
challenge
around
that
guideline
of
aligning
horizontal
elements
and
how
to
work
with
that.
With
this
addition,
and
initially
they
had
a
proposal
that
dropped
the
roof
line
down
just
a
little
bit,
so
that
element
was
it
was
the
same
shape.
It
was
just
a
little
bit
lower
than
the
then
the
roofline
of
the
existing
gable
in
that
comes
out.
D
D
One
thing
they
did
do
that
we
talked
about.
Is
they
added
a
piece
of
trim,
a
vertical
piece
of
trim
between
the
historic
part
of
the
house
and
the
addition,
which
I
think
is
one
one
way
to
kind
of
help
differentiate
where
the
new
and
the
old
separate
they
are
proposing
to
do
stucco
siding
matching
the
existing
house
on
the
foundation.
D
One
other
thought
I
had
in
in
reviewing
this
is
that
perhaps
they
could
use
an
alternative
material
on
the
on
the
basement
level
that
might
also
help
differentiate
it
from
the
the
rest
of
the
house.
I'm
not
sure
that
the
trim
the
trim,
I
think,
definitely
helps
the
vertical
trim,
but
perhaps
something
else
to
to
help
differentiate.
It
would
be
better,
but
otherwise
not
noting
any
concerns
they're
going
to
retain.
D
So
it's
a
pretty
pretty
simple
little
addition
to
this
building
and
I've
not
noted
any
concerns
about
about
anything,
except
for
just
opening
the
discussion
on
that
guideline.
About
horizontal
elements,
not
general,
I
think
I
think
it
reads,
as
should
they
should
generally
not
align.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
gray
area
in
there
room
for
interpretation,
so
that
is
pretty
much
summarizes.
What
I
have
to
offer
at
this
point,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
if
you
all
have
any.
C
H
C
B
I'm
rob
moody
representing
hands
of
sean
perry
and
there's
some
other
hands
of
sean
perry
at
sean,
perry's,
hands
actually
and
we're
the
contractor
for
this
project.
We've
looked
up
some
history
about
the
home.
It
is
listed
in
the
tax
record
since
1920,
but
it's
definitely
older
than
that.
It's
got
10
foot
ceilings,
I
believe
10
to
12.
B
B
I
was
able
to
find
the
architect
was
a.l
melton,
who
did
a
number
of
houses
and
buildings
in
asheville
he's
from
morganton
moved
here
in
the
late
1800s
he
did
the
drummer
building
and
the
windsor
hotel,
downtown
and
and
the
house
right
next
door
to
this
to
the
right,
among
many
others
house,
on
the
corner
of
blake
and
momford
as
well.
That's
a
typical
victorian.
His
his
typical
features
for
his
design
included
steep
pitched
roof,
a
projecting
gable
in
the
front
which
this
has
let's
see.
B
B
But
otherwise
there
hasn't
been
a
whole
lot
of
changes
that
we
could
determine
maybe
a
little
bit
in
the
back,
but
we
couldn't
find
the
original
plan.
So
we
didn't
know
in
our
research,
it
seems
like
melton's
last
designs
in
town
were
around
1896.
B
B
I
think
I'll
break
it,
maybe
yeah
so
down
this
side.
You
can
see
that
you
have
a
very
narrow
point
of
view
to
see
through
to
the
back
and
the
the
addition
will
be
back
further
than
the
gables
and
sort
of
the
middle
of
the
house
and
then
further
back
the
kitchen
and
we're
adding
to
the
kitchen
in
the
back.
So
you
may
see
a
very
bleak
angle,
but
you
won't
see
a
whole
lot
for
the
floor
plan
to
work
for
the
kitchen
to
get
stairs
in
as
well.
B
Copy
that
roof
line,
it's
a
16
by
16
edition
I
haven't-
we
haven't-
talked
to
the
homeowner
about
potentially
using
a
different
material
on
the
lower
level,
but
I'm
sure
I'm
sure
we
could
have
that
conversation
and
figure.
Something
out.
That's
an
important
issue.
B
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
this
little
little
spot
right
here
is
an
addition,
and
this
was
probably
a
sun
room
or
a
porch,
and
now
it's
closed
in
so
that
is
it.
B
It's
not
a
problem,
I
mean
no,
it's
not.
I
mean
it
actually
saves
us
money
from
having
to
go
back.
You
know
and
blend
and
weave
into
the
edition,
but
no
we
usually
get
this
sort
of
siding
milled
because
we
can't
get
that
profile,
but
we
use
local
lumber
yards
and
it
will
match.
We
use
wood
and
back
prime
everything.
So
it's
super
durable
and
all
that
good
stuff.
G
C
B
No,
not
that
I
can
think
of
one.
One
thing
that
sean
just
reminded
me
of
is
that
we
have
a
setback
encouragement,
so
we're
coming
within
four
feet
of
the
lot
line.
This
side
is
already
encroaching.
Okay,
so
we're
just
going
to
carry
that
straight
back,
but
it
won't
surpass
what
y'all
could
allow,
based
on
your
ability.
D
D
D
I
copied
and
pasted
the
section
of
the
ydo
out
and
it's
in
the
design
standard
for
digital
files.
If
you
want
to
read
it
but
they're.
I
C
B
C
The
board:
that's
going
to
divide
the
edition,
the.
G
C
A
C
B
C
G
C
C
Is
to
construct
a
two-story,
544
square
foot
addition
on
the
rear,
elevation,
all
siding
eve,
trim
and
roofing
materials
will
match
existing
foundation.
Slash
basement
level
will
be
sided
with
smooth
stucco
painted
red
color
painted
to
match
the
color
windows
will
be
marvin
ultimate
2
over
2
double
hung.
C
C
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
new
addition
is
inset
from
the
rear
building
insect
from
the
rear
building
corners
and
it's
located
inconspicuously
on
the
rear
elevation
addition.
G
C
B
J
C
Vertical
trim
makes
the
addition
discernible
from
the
historic
structure
and
g
existing
windows
that
will
be
removed
will
be
retained
and
preserved
on
site.
G
I
G
A
D
Go
okay,
so
moving
on
this
application
is
for
a
proposed
subdivision
recombination
on
141
cumberland
avenue.
Here.
Let
me
go
back
I'll.
Show
you
the
ariel
first.
D
This
is
a
good
test
run
of
how
to
not
set
up
your
presentation
next
time.
So
this
is
just
the
gis
map
to
give
you
some
context
of
where
we're
talking
about
this.
This
came
another.
A
separate
application
for
subdivision
came
before
the
commission
that
wasn't
actually
heard,
but
you
all
did
see
the
plans
for
that.
This
is
a
totally
separate
new
submittal
for
a
subdivision
recombination.
D
D
A
A
D
Okay,
so
so.
D
The
big
building,
that's
kind
of
to
the
to
the
south
in
this
on
the
plat
is,
is
the
a
multi-story
historic
apartment
building
that
fronts
on
cumberland
avenue
and,
as
you
can
see
where
there's
the
new
line
immediately
to
the
north
of
it
that's
the
new
property
line,
and
so
that
portion
will
then
be
combined
with
the
portion
of
of
the
lot
that
fronts
on
74
magnolia
avenue.
Does
that
make
sense?
D
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
it,
though,
can
you
okay,
okay,
so
so
this
line
that
that
I'm
moving
along
here,
that's
a
new
property
line.
So
right
now,
this
whole
rectangular
portion
is
part
of
this
lot
with
the
multi
family
apartment
building
there.
So
there
will
be
a
new
lot
line
here
and
then
that
all
of
that
which
labeled
parcel
a
will
be
added
to
this
lot.
That
friends
on
magnolia
avenue.
D
Correct
correct
so
the
one
issue
that's
come
up
in
past
discussions
around
any
proposed
development
here
or
subdivision
is
related
to
the
wall.
That's
noted
on
the
site
here
you
can
see
that
it's
kind
of
towards
the
front
of
the
lot,
but
when
you're
looking
at
it
it
kind
of
you
might
you
may
not.
You
may
miss
it
if
you're
looking
at
it
from
cumberland
avenue,
but
if
you
drive
along
the
short
magno
the
alley
behind
you
can
see
where
there's
this
big
kind
of
rock
really
cool.
D
Looking
rock
wall,
that's
almost
like
buttressed,
it
was
actually
an
old
foundation
of
a
house
that
was
there
at
some
point
in
time
the
house
was
gone
before
1907.
I
think
the
sanborn
map
shows
that
foundation
wall
clearly
marked
on
there
as
a
foundation
wall
back
then.
So
we
know
it's
not
a
historic
piece
of
infrastructure
per
se,
as
one
would
see
like
a
rock
wall
on
the
along
a
street
or
you
know
a
front
yard.
So
there's
some
question.
D
I
think
in
people's
minds
about
whether
or
not
that
wall
should
be
retained
and
preserved
and
keep
in
mind
we're
just
talking
about
the
subdivision
recombination
today,
we're
not
talking
about
any
development,
but
one
thing
you'll
have
to
consider
when
you're
looking
at
proposed
subdivisions
is.
Could
development
occur
in
a
way
that
would
be
consistent
with
the
historic
development
pattern,
setbacks,
etc.
D
So
I
for
the
last
application.
I
did
hear
from
some
folks
that
had
concerns
about
the
wall
like
if,
if
we
allow
subdivision
here,
does
that
mean
that
there
will
be
the
wall
will
get
torn
down?
Well,
that
is
not
a
question
we
can
necessarily
answer
today,
but
it
is
something
that
I
think
I
feel
like
you
all
should
discuss
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
you
think
that
the
subdivision
makes
sense
you
could
potentially
develop
on
the
back
of
the
lot.
D
The
I
personally
do
not
think
that
the
in
my
professional
opinion,
the
wall
is
not
necessarily
a
character
defining
feature
of
mofford.
I
guess
it
could
have
earned
that
over
time,
but
it's
not
something
that
again,
it's
not
really
like
a
piece
of
infrastructure
like
we
would
typically
say
to
maintain
and
preserve,
but
I
think
that's
open
for
interpretation.
D
D
I
did
send
a
note
to
the
applicant
this
week
to
say
you
know
hey
this.
The
plot
shows
that
the
wall
is
to
be
removed.
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that
that's
not
part
of
what's
what's
you
know
if
there's
an
approval
today,
that's
not
part
of
the
approval,
and
he
said
that
was
just
an
error
that
that
shouldn't
be
on
the
side
plan.
So
if
you
all
are
okay
with
the
subdivision,
just
know
that
that
will
that's
that's
actually
just
an
error
on
the
plan
and
I
think
that's
everything.
D
I've
wanted
to
just
kind
of
provide
some
context.
This
is
just
one
of
those
weird
kind
of
subdivision
ones
where
I
think
could
development
happen
here
and
be
consistent
with
the
development
pattern
potentially
like
if
you're
looking
at
the
the
southern
end
of
that
block
the
height
there's
two
houses
there
and
they're
pretty
close
together.
So
theoretically,
you
could
put
a
house
on
on
the
front
of
this
slot
and
it
would
this
box
just
kind
of
got
a
little
bit
of
a
mashup
happening.
D
The
house
on
the
to
the
north
of
this
of
where
the
wall
is
the
that
parcel
has
a
pretty
big
house
on
it.
So
you
kind
of
move
from
there
to
a
blank
space
and
then
to
the
apartment,
building
and
then
another
little
blank
space
and
then
two
houses,
big
houses
that
are
pretty
you
know
close
together.
The
lots
are
pretty
narrow,
so
I
don't
think
it's
wholly
outside
of
what
could
be
approved.
But
I
think
it's
just
a
discussion
that
you
all
need
to
have
today.
D
D
I
mean
only
in
that,
like
if
someone
whoever
owned,
parcel
a
if
they
proposed
to
demolish
it,
they
would
have
to
ask
for
permission
from
the
partial,
a
the
apartment.
Oh
the,
where
it's
being
combined.
They
would
either
just
be
able
to
remove
the
portion
on
that.
You
know
that
part
of
the
lot
where
they
could
potentially
ask
the
neighboring
property
owner
if
they
were
okay
with
the
whole
wall
being
removed,
but
that,
I
think,
is
the
only
only
issue
I
can
think
of.
E
D
A
platform
it's
pretty
flat
and
there's
a
there's,
a
big
holly
tree
kind
of
right
smack
in
the
middle
of
it.
It's
kind
of
I
mean
I
guess
when
they
remedy
I'm.
All
I
can
think
is
that
when
they
remediated
this
site
or
whatever
they
just
pulled
it
all
out
from
that
side
of
it,
because
everything
else
on
that
block
is
pretty
flat
like
there's,
not
really
very
much
change
in
topography.
D
D
J
J
G
B
I
J
G
J
B
J
J
J
J
G
H
J
J
J
I
G
J
J
J
J
B
G
G
J
So,
as
alex
had
indicated,
this
is
the
the
wall
we've.
J
On
this,
in
1913
sanborn
maps
do
not
show
this
foundation,
but
the.
G
J
G
J
J
Cumberland,
the
only
street
house
number
on
the
historical
directories
for
this
entire
time
showed.
J
1928
when
the
apartment
building
was
constructed,
and
it
appears
without
any
evidence
that
the
three
walls
of
this
foundation
were
removed
at
the
time
the
apartment
building
was
constructed,
although
we
don't
have
any
specific
evidence
for
that
and.
J
J
J
After
100
years,
the
mortar
has
been
reduced
to
dust
and
is
an
urgently
every
night.
Excuse
me
urgent
need
of
repair.
We
plan
to
engage
the
dillingham
services
as
soon
as
possible
after
filing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
the
magnolia
trade.
This
35-foot
beauty
needs
to
be
saved
from
any
future
development.
J
J
J
J
I
I
I
I
For
this
proposal,
I
walk
and
run
up
and
down
cumberland
all
the
time
and
go
buy
this
property
and
would
love
to
see
it
preserved
the
way
it
is
now
with
the
magnolia
tree
on
the
wall.
You
you.
H
We
live
right
across
the
street
and
I'm
one
of
the
neighbors
that
mr
tierney
talked
to.
We,
the
neighbors.
I
can't
speak
football,
but
I
believe
the
sentiment
is.
This
is
probably
the
ideal
solution.
The
north.
G
K
And
I'm
right
next
door
to
live,
live
next
to
jackson,
jc,
and
I
too
support
the
this
subdivision.
K
I
feel
that
this
wall
is
a
very
significant
feature
in
montford.
I
think
that
walls
like
this
this
is
this
is
what
we're
here
to
save.
You
know
we
have
these
debates
all
the
time.
What
is
important
and
what
it's
not.
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
feature,
which
is
why
my
wife
and
I
are
in
discussions
with
them
about
buying
the
front
yard
portion
of
this,
because
that
would
essentially
make
it
impossible
to
do
anything
further
to
deteriorate.
K
J
D
D
J
G
J
A
K
A
C
C
And
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
the
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
knew
that
the
commission
approved
the
preliminary
subdivision
approval
request
based
on
the
following
one.
The
application
is
true
is
to
remove
a
7
955
square
foot
area
from
the
141
cumberland
avenue.
You
can
find
it
with
74
magnolia
area
resulting
in
seven
2.
Ninety-Five
square
foot,
parcel
20,
795
square
foot,
partial
141,
cumberland
avenue
and
a
1773
square
foot
lodge
74.
C
To
the
standards
for
subdivisions
for
historic
for
for
subdivisions
and
historic
districts
found
in
the
unified
development
ordinance
section
7-15
1,
I
11
in
new
construction.
Primary
structures
found
on
pages
92
through
93,
the
monarch,
historic
district.
K
C
C
A
subdivision
of
lots
would
allow
for
new
development
features
at
a
minimum
to
be
built
in
a
manner
that
is
congruence
with
the
special
character
of
the
historical
district,
as
it
relates
to
building
setbacks,
orientation
and
consistency
with
historic
development
patterns
b.
New
lots
with
existing
structures
will
retain
their
congruency
with
a
special
character
of
the
historic
district,
as
it
relates
to
building
setbacks,
orientation
and
consistency
with
a
historic
development
pattern.
C
E
F
A
D
We
have
one
other
other
business,
but
we're
not
just
right
yeah
we're
almost
done.
This
won't
take
very
long.
We
have,
as
janice
mentioned
at
our
last
meeting.
There
were
there
was
there
were
updates
to
the
state
statutes,
and
so
it's
part
of
that.
We
just
wanted
to
correct
the
conflict
of
interest.
Part
of
the
rules
of
procedure
to
align
with
the
new
chapter
160d.
D
So
janice
worked
on
that
as
a
redline
version
and
there
other
than
that.
It
looks
like
a
lot
of
stuff,
but
it's
basically
kind
of
a
lot
of
really
minor
non-standard,
substantive
edits
that
we
just
speeded
up.
So
I
think
janice
has
a
staff
report,
though
so,
actually
I
should
forget
that
we
have
a
formal
staff
report
for
this
as
it's
part
of
our
new
business.
So
I
will
let.
E
E
E
But
this
cd
is,
it's
very
long
staff
report,
some
of
the
ability
to
have
seen
this
before
and
once
the
ccd
is
just
a
re-organization
of
the
land
use
statutes
for
north
carolina,
really
just
recombine
things
working
organizing
there
aren't
too
many
brand
new
things,
but
it's
it's
a
big
process
for
the
planning
department,
which
I
also
advise.
E
Changes
back
in
october
number
one
required
that
you
know
what
we
use
the
term.
E
E
An
awkward
situation
when
you
have
one
body
in
the
city
you're
doing
another
couple
bodies
decision
and
it
just
it
will
be
much
cleaner.
If
you
do
have
a
few,
I
think.
D
I've
had
two
since
I've
been
here
yep
two.
There
were
two
two
times
when
the
commission
denied
an
application
and
the
decision
was
appealed.
G
E
Of
hell,
maybe
that's
why
I
forget
it.
So
there's
nothing,
nobody
knows,
and
sometimes
when
people
do
trainings
illegal,
I
I
will
give
you
some
faces.
They're
interesting
to
look
at
where
there
have
been
decisions
that
have
gone
up
to
the
court
of
appeals
and
that's
when
you
really
start
to
say
oh
like
what
does
it
mean
to
be
a
positive
educational
body
and
just
have
teeth.
G
E
But
there's
a
lot
in
there
that
basically
is
explaining
to
the
public.
What
is
the
prostate
judicial
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
heard
a
mistake?
Is
your
conflict
of
interest
standard
one
ccd
did
not.
This
is
what
one
of
the
things
we
were
updating,
160
degrees
didn't
change.
What
classic
judicial
conflict
standards
are?
They
are
always.
E
Talk
about
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
something
that
will
be
coming
before
you
and
then
also
it's
always
been
that
you
cannot
have
a
close,
familial
business
association
with
an
applicant.
You
want
to
accuse
yourself
if
that's
the
case,
let
the
president
of
the
commission
know,
and
then
we
would
vote
to
accuse
you
and
also
know
the
classes
of
financial
interest,
will
have
a
tax
on
the
commission.
I
E
E
E
The
conflict
of
interest
standard
was
carotid
under
160d
before
the
planet
is
zoning
decisions
backward
just
need
to
recuse
themselves
if
there
was
a
financial
interest-
and
this
now
is
expanded,
so
that
they
cannot
vote
if
they
have
a
close
family
home
for
a
business
relationship
which
you
would
think
would
always
have
been
the
standard,
but
it
feels
so
that's
really
all
the
areas
changed
and
then
we
did
some
general
cleanup
alex.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
about.
E
D
I
think
2018,
2018
or
2019
was
when
we
changed
that
so
janice
updated
the
bylaws
to
reflect
that.
That's
now
part
of
what
you
all
review
and
then
everything
else
was
kind
of
just
general
cleanup.
We
have
one
section
that
was
related
to
a
design
review
committee
that
we
just
eliminated,
because
that
would
be
just
really
unusual
for
the
commission
to
form
we
used
to
sometimes
do
that
like.
If
we
had
a
really
challenging
design
question
that
an
applicant
had,
we
would
go
out
in
the
field
and
not
just
staff.
D
We
would
invite
commissioners
to
come
and
you
know
help
kind
of
advise
in
the
field
that
obviously
is
sort
of
a
little
bit
of
a
gray
area
in
terms
of
what
it's
legally
appropriate
for
the
commission
to
do,
and
I
think
we
would
have
had
to
go
to
the
council
right
actually
add
that
into
the
development
ornaments,
because
it
was
like
something
that.
D
Commission
members
that
have
served
or
connect
the
applicant
with
an
architect
who
we
know
is
or
that's
familiar
with
working
with
historic
capability.
It
became
difficult.
E
D
G
G
D
For
whatever
reason
we
were
having
some
trouble
before
the
meeting
getting
the
files
that
we,
you
know
your
commissioner
packet
to
show
up
in
the
commission,
volunteer
google
drive,
so
it
might
look
different,
but-
and
I
know
that
the
the
redline
version
that
I
I
basically
made
a
copy
of
your
document-
janice
and
put
it
in
there
in
their
folder,
but
it
said
that
they
needed
requests
or
they
needed
access
and
I'll.
Send
you
a
note
right
before
the
meeting
was
about
to
start,
but
it's
okay.
D
D
D
F
C
D
E
D
Like
seven
commissioners
attend
the
last
one,
so
that
was
that
was
great
and
and
then
yeah
we'll
definitely
try.
I
D
A
retreat
for
some
time,
hopefully
I'm
hoping.
E
D
D
Is
going
to
be
most
useful
and
then
we'll
do
something
fun
for
the
second
half
like,
I
think
we've
done
the
hood
hovers
tour
before,
which
was
really
awesome,
so
so
hopefully
this
by
the
way
this
is
avery
too.
He
is
a
new
planning
technician
in
our
department
and
avery
is
going
to
be
supporting
some
of
our
work.
Thankfully,.
G
B
D
Some
other
stuff,
and
on
that
note
I
do
want
to
there-
I
made.
D
Agenda
but
I
don't
think
it
showed
up
on
yours,
but
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
after
the
last
meeting
dennis.
Let
me
know
that
the
information
that
that
was
shared
with
me
about
forming
these
informal
working
groups
was
maybe
not
completely
accurate,
and
so
that
was
so
that
we'll
just
walk
that
one
back
and
say
we
actually
need
to
have
a
formalized
subcommittee
and
and
and
I'll
try
to
like
regroup
with
the
people
who
are
serving
on
it
before
the
pandemic.
F
G
D
Like
five
members,
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
the
issue
of
quorum
kind
of
on
the
regular
with
that
group,
so
I'll
keep
you
all
pissed
on
that.
So.
E
E
D
D
D
E
But
the
more
important
part
of
that
is
telling
the
audience
what
you're
supposed
to
have
standing
you're
not
supposed
to
be
from
across
town.
We
don't
get
into
standing
alone.
That's
why
we
say:
where
are
you?
Where
do
you
live
right
and
what's
your
relationship
with
this
project,
because
you
can't
you
know
really
that
we're
only
supposed
to
be
here,
but
it's
an
interesting
part
of
it.
E
A
E
D
We
lost
our
last
remaining
member.
I
see
that
board,
I'm
not
member
but
attendee,
so
that
was
all
I
have
for
other
business,
but
obviously,
if
you
all
have.
C
G
I
C
E
A
D
D
No,
that's
not
something
that
I
would
do
would
be
something
we
would
hire
a
consultant
to
do
and
we,
I
can
tell
you
that,
probably
that's
not
going
to
happen
anytime
in
the
near
future,
because
we've
got
so
much
other
like
we're
doing
our
work,
starting
on
burton
street
survey
and
then
beyond
that.
We'll
continue
to
try
to
do
survey
work
around
communities
that
haven't
had
survey
work
done
yet
so
so
eventually.
D
Retaining
its
own
character
too,
just
like
the
rest
of
the
design
standards
are
so,
I
think,
like
to
yell's
point
of
this
kind
of
it's
not
really
that
different,
even
though
it
sets
them
apart.
As
I
think
it's,
I
think
you
have
more
leeway
to
make
changes
on
those
buildings,
whereas
you
may
not.
You
know
for
other
for
historic
for
buildings
that
are
contributing,
but
I
do
still
think
that
the
standards.
D
For
now,
but
we
can.
D
We've
talked
about
over,
you
know.
My
years
here
is
like
gosh.
We
have
a
lot
of
districts
that
need
updating.
You
know
there
was
a
flurry
of
nominations
that
happened
back
in
the
early
part
of
when
the
historic
preservation
act
was
enacted,
so
70s,
80s
and.
D
D
G
B
G
D
So
it's
definitely
on
my
radar
for
sure,
because
I
do
feel
like
kendall.
Westbrook
is
actually
not
even
listed
at
the
national
register,
which
is
amazing,
but
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
mid-century
architecture.
D
E
E
D
To
pass
it
along
and
I
can
send
it
out
to
the
group
but
yeah,
it's
a
good
question-
I
mean
I
do
think
at
least
for
now.
Our
standards
in
london
and
other
historic
districts
do
kind
of
lend
themselves,
although
they
will
say
for
brokemoor
village
and
building
really
just
kind
of
its
own.
Weird
little
anomaly,
like
everything,
is
a
very
vulnerable
village.
G
D
They
assume
we
want
it
to
look
like
bumper
village,
which
is
pretty
frustrating,
but
but
there
wasn't
one
this
one,
one
not
contributing
building
in
that
district.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
remember
this.
B
D
Like
a
big
wooden
kind
of
just
basically
looks
like
a
little
block,
a
little
a
little
fortress
and
it
was
kind
of
cute.
It
was
like
a
dentist
office.
You
know,
office
building
that
you
would
think
of
that
era.
F
D
It
was
demolished
to
make
way,
but
in
that
case
we
did
not
oppose
the
demolition,
because
it
was
completely
out
of
character
with
the
portfolio.
G
D
Like
mocker,
for
example,
has
some
you
know
not
contributing
structures
that
are
mixed
in
where
there's
kind
of
more
make
more
of
a
case
for
like,
including
like
the.
D
D
D
Me
invite
anymore,
unless.
D
The
google
feed,
because
there's
no
way
to
eliminate
the
little
button
that
says,
join
with
google
me,
so
I
didn't
want
you
guys
to
be
like
wait.
What
are
we
doing?
So
I
probably
won't
send
you
the
google
invite,
if
that's
okay
with
everyone
and
just
know
on
your
calendar.
The
second
wednesday
for
every
month,
you're
stuck
with
me
here
at
city
hall,
unless
you're
on
vacation
you're,
doing
something
fun.
E
For
other
boards,
where
they
want
to
continue
to
have
remote
participation
by
the
audience
it
works,
for
it
could
work
for
counseling
counselors,
not
doing
it
right
now,
but
they
have
fully
staffed
to
run
these
these
things.
It
took
a
lot
of
staff
time
to
because
I
don't
know
anything
technologically,
but
it
took
a
lot
to
get
these
going.