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From YouTube: Urban Forestry Commission – May 2, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Urban Forestry Commission.
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C
Hi
everyone
I
am
the
vice
chair,
Don,
Chavez
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
this
meeting
today.
May
2nd
2023
of
the
urban
forestry
Commission
Amy
Smith,
our
former
chair,
has
resigned
her
post
and
so
I'm.
Stepping
in
to
facilitate
this
meeting,
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
joining
or
participating
virtually
and
we're
streaming
on,
live
on
the
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
commissions
page.
C
C
C
C
Please
enter
the
queue
now
to
speak
on
alternative
compliance,
which
is
first
on
our
agenda
and
please
listen
and
enter
the
queue
after
alternative
compliance
to
speak
on
all
other
matters.
During
the
general
public
comment,
which
is
next
on
the
agenda
staff
facilitating
the
speaker,
queue
can
only
see
you
are
connected
and
ready
to
speak
when
your
number
comes
in
the
speaker.
Queue
by
pushing
star
3.
C
We
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
again:
I'm
Don
Chavez
I
am
the
Vice
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
I'm.
Also
the
executive.
C
Of
Asheville
GreenWorks
and
when
I'm
when
I
call
on
you,
please
say
a
quick
hello.
Please
make
sure
that
your
microphone
is
muted
when
you're,
not
speaking,
and
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
you
can
unmute
okay,
so
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
I
mean
check
in
so
Cecil.
A
Hey
I'm
here
former
council
member
net
for
a
while
now
been
member
of
the
urban
forestry
Commission.
F
Hello,
I'm
Richard
Dietrich
I'm,
a
member
of
the
urban
Forester
Commission.
E
C
E
Hi
I'm
Hunter
planning
technician
in
the
city
of
Asheville
and
Technical
assistant
to
the
urban
forestry
Commission.
H
K
Keith
Aiken
Urban
Forester
versus
city
of
Ashley.
C
J
C
Okay
did
I
miss
anybody.
Oh
and
Sarah
Millar
is
our
the
community
forestry
coordinator
at
Asheville,
GreenWorks
who's
joining
me
as
a
Greenworks
representative,
okay,
I'll
be
reading
each
of
the
agenda
items
out
loud
for
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
and
for
each
vote.
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
and
if
you
as
a
Committee
Member
would
like
to
speak,
then
please
raise
your
hand
using
the
raised
hand,
icon
and
I'll
call
you
I'll
call
upon
you.
Okay,
we.
B
C
F
C
Okay,
now
we
can
move
on
to
Alternative
compliance
and
Nancy.
Watford
is
going
to
do
a
brief
training
for
us.
D
Hi
y'all
I'm,
Nancy
Watford
so
Amy
before
she
left
actually
asked
to
do
this
so
before
we
start
our
first
well,
the
only
case
that
we
have
today
very
short,
hopefully
succinct
chatting
on
alternative
compliance
and
what
this
request
is
and
what
the
basically,
what
the
assessment
that
is
charged
by
the
development
ordinance
that
the
are
the
criteria
in
which
you're
assessing
the
request.
D
D
It's
for
projects
to
request
relief
from
the
Landscaping
requirements
set
forth
in
seven
eleven
three,
so
the
Landscaping
code
chapter
the
one
that
we're
currently
working
on
revising,
so
an
alternative
compliance
request.
So
there
are
some
Alternatives
that
are
available
by
right
within
that
ordinance
section.
D
So
if
there's,
if
the
the
ones
that
y'all
see
are
ones
that
don't
meet
those
criteria
and
so
they're
coming
to
you
guys
to
act
as
an
Advisory
Board
to
the
planning
director
and
you
are
making
a
recommendation
to
the
planning
director
for
either
approval
approval
with
conditions
or
denial
of
the
requests.
D
So
it
is
a
recommendation
to
the
planning
director
and
if
there
is
a
denial
for
a
reason,
then
the
applicant
has
the
opportunity
to
appeal
to
the
board
of
decimals.
That's
just
the
basics
of
the
process.
Right.
D
And
so
when
we
get
one
in,
that
is
asking
for
relief
from
Landscaping
code.
These
are
the
evaluation
criteria
of
which
is
asked
of
the
applicant
to
address
within
that
application.
But
it's
also
to
assessment
that
you
all
are
to.
You
know
to
weigh
that
request
as
to
if
it
meets
the
use
criteria
to
recommend
or
not
for
the
recommendation.
D
D
D
The
proposed
alternative
will,
upon
maturity,
provide
Landscaping
that
is
equal
to
better
than
the
required
standards
if
possible.
The
proposed
alternative
is
designed
to
address
plant
Vigor
and
health
and
is
reasonably
compatible
with
the
natural
and
typographic
features
of
the
site
and
support
the
purpose
of
the
Landscaping
ordinance.
G
So
it
seems
in
the
past,
when
I
read
the
alternative
compliance
documents,
that
the
staff
plan
or
assigned
to
whatever
project
is
requesting
alternative
compliance,
has
already
reviewed
these
seven
criteria
and
made
an
assessment
that
the
that
the
request
meets
one
or
more
of
these
criteria.
G
So
when
it
gets
to
us,
since
that
assessment
has
already
been
made
by
staff,
it's
not
clear
what
our
role
is
other
than
to
evaluate
that
and
possibly
make
some
other
recommendations
in
terms
of
maybe
changing
the
species
of
a
tree
or
a
location
of
a
tree.
But
the
assessment
has
already
been
made
correct.
D
Correct
that
currently
staff
do
a
staff
report
that
takes
that
applicants,
information
the
application,
and
sometimes,
if
we
have
like
the
say,
it's
a
level
one
project.
If
we
have
already
done
an
assessment
of
the
project
itself,
we
have
some
additional
background
that
may
help
with
you
know,
understanding
the
request.
D
C
G
Guess
my
point
is
that
if,
if
staff
has
already
gone
through
the
seven
criteria
and
made
an
evaluation
that
the
request
meets
one
or
more
of
those
criteria,
then
we
can't
really
go
against
that.
G
C
C
Ahead,
Patrick
I
think
that
the
urban
forestry
commission,
with
the
expertise
that
the
members
have
and
have
a
different
perspective,
sometimes
on
the
the
type
of
alternative
compliance
that's
proposed.
C
And
you
know
so
it
could
be.
It
could
be
an
adequate
request
for
alternative
compliance.
If
certain
planting
material
is
used
or
you
know,
we
have
made
recommendations
that
haven't
gone
against
the
staff's
evaluation
necessarily,
but
have
probably
enhanced
the
plan
for
alternative
compliance.
I
Hi,
this
just
seems
like
a
good
time
to
make
the
request
that
we
move
forward
with
getting
tree
inventories
included
in
this
process.
C
D
J
J
D
This
is
the
alternative
compliance
case
for
191
Amboy
Road.
It
is
an
existing
site.
It
did
actually
have
I
think
somewhat
of
a
tree
in
Midori,
and
so
the
project
is
required
to
do
full
site
compliance
based
on
seven
of
all
of
article
11.
D
or
the
site
improvements,
because
the
building
improvements
are
going
to
exceed
75
percent
of
the
building
value,
they're,
doing
very
little
site
work
outside
of
replacing
existing
things
and
then
adding
enhancing
or
adding
Landscaping
within
the
parking
lot
and
building
impact
landscaping,
and
then
there's
a
new
sidewalk
along
Joyner,
Avenue
I
think
that's
what
it
is
currently
between
the
two
zoning
districts,
with
a
commercial
zoning
District
up
against
arm
District
or
our
s
District,
there's
a
type
B
buffer
with
a
reduction
of.
D
D
And
that's-
and
this
is
a
typographic
kind
of
relief
map
that
shows
kind
of
how
the
site
sits,
which
is
that
one-on-one
slope
and
that
101
slope
on
the
front
and
then
so.
The
alternative
compliance
is
asking
for
relief
from
that
buffer
to
have
less
plantings
in
it.
They
are
having
existing.
So
they
are.
The
property
is
physically
constrained
with
the
steep
slope
on
both
the
Joiner
side
and
Amboy
roadside,
with
it
varying
from
three
to
one
to
a
one
to
one.
All.
D
D
Most
of
the
Landscaping
is
being
placed
along
the
flattest
portion
of
the
portion
of
the
buffer
along
the
sidewalk
area
to
minimize
the
the
disturbance
of
the
seep
slope
and
that
there's
any
retaining
walls
that
are
going
to
be
required
probably
require
along
Joyner
Avenue
and
luckily
safety
railings
to
protect
people.
Utilize,
sidewalk,
foreign.
D
Is
currently
wooded
and
there's
no
plan
to
remove
existing
trees
or
existing
plant
material
unless
it's
deemed
unhealthy
damaged
or
dead.
There's
currently
49
tree
credits
provided
through
maintaining
the
existing
vegetation
for
compliance
for
other,
but
for
multitude
of
the
Landscaping
requirements
and
the
plant
material
will
be
placed
in
areas
where
planting
is
feasible.
Due
to
the
carving.
D
So-
and
this
goes
over-
the
sidewalk
that
they're
just
doing
to
servants
and
replacing
and
repairing
the
existing
infrastructure-
that's
already
there
on
site,
and
then
this
is
the
site
plan.
So
you
can
see
they
are
doing
some
enhancing
of
the
existing
site,
with
some
additional
Landscaping
additional
trees
and
plantings,
and
that
is
really
it
for
that.
Do
y'all
have
questions
Suzanne.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
this?
Any
of
this
do.
C
We
do
we
save
the
discussion
from
committee
commission
members
until
after
public
comment.
C
N
N
So
this
site's
unique
it's
different
from
the
other
two
that
I
have
brought
to
you.
Those
were
new
construction,
so
this
is
existing
building
existing
parking,
existing
impervious
surface
that
has
been
there
since
the
60s.
N
They
have
chosen
to
make
this
building
their
like
their
main
office,
so
they
wanted
to
renovated
inside
and
outside
and
give
it
a
facelift,
and
so
those
improvements
have
breached
the
threshold
of
the
value
of
the
building,
so,
like
Nancy
said
that
triggers
site
compliance
so
that
triggers
sidewalks
and
that
triggers
landscape
most
predominant
lands,
particularly
as
far
as
as
you
guys
are
concerned,
so
we're
able
to
meet
the
landscape
requirements
for
the
parking
lot
and
building
impact
putting
in
over,
let's
see,
86
shrubs
and
an
additional
13
trees
just
for
those
two
requirements
and
we're
keeping
all
the
existing
vegetation
unless
there's
something
out
there.
N
That
needs
to
be
taken
out.
We
need
to
do
a
little
site
visit
and
and
make
sure
there's
nothing
they're
spending
all
this
money
to
fix
this
building.
We
don't
want
a
tree
to
fall
on
it
right
after
they
get
their
Co.
So
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
that,
but
I
I
expect
from
being
out
there
a
couple
times.
Everything
looks
pretty
good
shape,
just
want
to
see
if
there's
anything
that
didn't
Leaf
out
this
spring,
that
might
be
an
indication
of
some
kind
of
disease
or
death
from
something.
N
So
as
the
site
section
showed
super
State
flood
area,
then
back
to
Super
steep
onto
Amboy
Road,
we're
required
to
put
sidewalks
on
Amboy,
Road
and
Joyner
and
I
believe
we're
going
to
have
to
request
a
variance
for
that
Amboy
Road
section,
because
it's
not
feasible
for
us
to
place
a
sidewalk
there
and
there's
a
Greenway
immediately
across
the
street.
So
I
am
simply
tasked
for
this
project
to
do
the
site:
landscape,
not
all
of
the
site,
compliance,
so
I'm,
not
completely
dealing
with
the
sidewalks,
but
I
will
say.
N
The
requirement
of
the
sidewalk
on
Joyner
is
eliminating
some
of
the
area
where
we
could
potentially
put
some
of
our
landscaping
for
the
buffer.
So
the
way
the
buffer
standard
reads.
It
says
that
if
you
have
a
vertical
separation,
you
can
reduce
your
buffer,
but
you
have
to
place
all
of
the
plant
material
at
the
top
of
the
slope
and
at
the
top
of
the
slope,
there's
no
room.
It's
it's
three
to
one
one
or
greater.
N
So
what
we've
done
is
we
have
taken
a
look
at
where
the
civil
engineer
has
not
put
a
retaining
wall
and
where
we've
got
some
flatish
land
to
provide
some
type
of
buffering
with
the
use
across
the
street.
So
what
we
have
proposed
are
some
larger
shrubs
and
some
small
deciduous
trees,
because,
in
addition,
I
believe
we
have
overhead
power
lines
going
on
that
we
need
to
avoid
placing
some
large
plant
material
at
the
top
of
that
slope.
N
So
that's
it
really
in
a
nutshell:
the
ordinance
wasn't
in
place
when
this
was
built,
so
there
was
no
thought
or
thinking
of
landscape
and
we're
just
trying
to
bring
it
into
compliance
as
much
as
possible.
C
Thanks
Suzanne
we're
going
to
take
some
public
comments.
Hunter
is
there
anyone
in
the
queue
there.
E
C
Okay,
so
we'll
open
it
up
for
discussion
from
the
commission.
Members
I
saw
a
couple
hands
raised
earlier.
F
Hi
Suzanne
I
don't
see
the
retaining
walls
marked
on
this
site
map.
Could
you
point
out
where
those
retaining
walls
are
going
to
be
installed.
N
Nancy
Nancy,
can
you
zoom
in
excuse
me?
Can
you
zoom
in
you
are
identifying
them
there's
a
retaining
wall
right
below?
If
you
go
back
to
that,
if
you
go
right
under
site
plan,
the
word
site
plan,
there
is
a
retaining
wall
that
the
civil
engineer
has
identified,
not
sure
if
you
can
zoom
in
on
that
Chardon
I
don't
have
the
I.
N
N
And
then
there's
another
one
on
the
other
side
and
it
is,
is
labeled
as
well,
and
those
retaining
walls
are
required
in
order
to
facilitate
a
sidewalk
and
they're
not.
But
they
they're
going
to
require
some
safety
railing
at
the
top
of
that
and.
F
To
interrupt,
there
won't
be
any
trees
being
removed
to
install
those.
N
No,
that
area
up
there
now
is
grassed
and
there's
nothing
that
there's
like
a
shoulder
there
right
now,
so
the
sidewalk
is
going
at
that
shoulder
and
there's
the
way
it
slopes
off.
There's
no
trees.
F
N
Well,
for
this
state
slope,
it's
it's
incredibly
steep
I
mean
it's
as
Landscape
Architects.
We
don't
like
to
plant
on
anything
greater
than
two
to
one
and
we
certainly
don't
like
to
plant
large,
deciduous
trees
or
evergreen
trees
on
anything
greater
than
two
to
one.
Three
to
one
is
really
our
preference,
and
if
you
go
back
to
the
slope
map,
we've
got,
we've
got
slopes
that
are
one
and
a
half
one
and
a
half
to
one
and
one
to
one
mostly
along
that
that
area.
N
D
D
It
will
have
to
be
vegetated
from
an
inversion.
Sediment
standpoint.
D
But
that
can
you
they
can
use
any
vegetarian
like
any
vegetation
in
the
erosion
sediment
control
to
do
that.
So.
N
N
F
Well,
looking
at
Google
Maps,
it
looks
like
there's
some
erosion
issues
above
the
tanks,
and
you
know
if
you're,
not
planting
plants
to
have
root
systems
hold.
That
bank
is
erosion
being
addressed
in
this.
N
F
N
Addressing
the
erosion
that's
on
the
site,
that's
part
of
his
purview
and
his
package.
We
won't
be
putting
any
landscape.
Typically,
if
it's
landscape,
that's
for
region,
control
that
shows
up
on
the
civil's
plans
and
the
seating
schedules
that
they
provide
for
temporary
and
permanent
seating,
and
so
they'll
have
that
on
their
plans
to
address
any
types
of
erosions,
as
well
as
the
original
control
that
you
know,
the
site.
Improvements
might
need
to
take
care
of.
F
Yeah
yeah
I
understand
you
know
not
wanting
to
plant
large.
F
You
know
trees
or
materials
on
a
steep
slope,
something
that-
and
this
is
maybe
a
different
conversation,
but
something
that
I
see
pretty
frequently
are
trees
planted
on
slopes
not
perpendicular
to
the
slope.
It's
pretty
common
in
the
Landscaping
industry
to
dig
those
tree
pits
and
have
that
mound
on
the
downhill
side
and
working
on
trees
that
have
been
like
that
for
15
or
20
years.
It
causes
real
issues
and
so
I
I.
Would
you
know,
as
a
professional
I
would
like
to
see
things
planted
perpendicularly
and
using
smaller
plants?
F
F
F
F
I
see
it's
outlined
by
Blue
existing
canopy.
N
That's
you
pull
in
and
if
you
look
at
the
site
section,
it's
actually
a
built
structure.
It's
not
tree
canopy!
Sorry
about
that.
A.
J
Hey
Suzanne,
a
couple
of
questions
are
the
retaining
walls
over
six
feet
where
they
have
to
be
planted
with
vines.
No
they're,
not
okay
and
I,
have
a
a
problem
at
the
the
developments.
I
look
at
at
TRC,
where
they're
seated
over
that
by
the
engineer
with
grass
seed.
So
what
we
have
is
we
have
a
whole
load
of
banks
that
are
hydroseeded
and
or
matted,
and
then
we
have
all
this
junk.
J
To
put
it
politely,
coming
up
in
between
it
later
on,
I've
had
that
on
a
commercial
property
I'm
dealing
with
now
and
where
they
took
trees
out
because
of
a
storm
water
work.
So
I
personally
would
rather
see
some
live,
staking
going
on,
where
there's
some
natives,
that
can
be
life
staked
on
the
side
of
the
Hill
that
don't
necessarily
have
to
go
into
a
large
tree,
but
they
can
be
I
mean.
J
We've
lived,
staked,
smaller
species
of
trees
that
will
take
a
hold
and
even
shrubs
as
gosh
I'm,
trying
to
think
the
last
one
that
I
looked
at,
that
we
live
staked
that
had
a
service
Berry,
we
livestakes
service
Berry.
We
live
staked
several
other
more.
A
native
species
of
shrub
that
hold
the
hillside
in
that
just
isn't
grass
that
will
die
out
now.
J
Some
of
the
grasses
that
come
in
are
perennial,
but
they
have
to
be
maintained,
weed
whipped
or
some
of
them
are
just
short,
tough
grass,
but
it
ends
up
looking
pretty
messy
in
the
long
run
and
I
know
you
can't
get
trees
on
there.
But
if
you
get
a
smaller
live
steak,
you
can
get
some
more
interest
going
on
a
hillside.
I
know
you're
not
required
to
do
that.
You
know
I
know,
I
know
it's
not
something,
but
it
beats.
J
What's
the
city
likes
to
do,
which
is
just
to
have
someone
hydroseed
something
you
know
so
that's
my
comment
on
that
and
then
I
haven't
had
a
chance,
and
you
answered
the
question
in
the
beginning:
I've
been
too
busy
to
drive
by
look
at
this
site.
Do
you
have
any
idea?
I
know
everything's
just
now,
starting
to
Leaf
out
how
much
loss,
how
much
dead,
wood
and
dead
trees
you've
got
in
the
middle
of
everything
else.
That's
there
I.
J
N
I'm
not
entirely
sure
of
of
what
their
plans
are
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
mean
I.
Think
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
site
is.
You
know
this
is
going
to
be
more.
People
are
going
to
be
coming
to
this
site
and
they're
going
to
be
coming
into
the
building.
They
want
it
to
look
nice
so
I
mean
I.
Would
imagine
that
they're
gonna
keep
keep
everything
as
as
nice
as
I
can.
But
you
know
there
are
some
significant
vegetation
out
there
so.
I
Hi
so
yeah,
this
is
sort
of
more
of
a
process
question
if
you
do
decide
to
remove
vegetation,
is
there
any
permit
process
or
oversight
for
that,
since
it's
decided
sort
of
after
this
part
of
the
process?
I
N
D
No,
not
no,
the
one
thing
that,
if
for
any
of
the
trees
that
they
take
for
credit
as
part
of
the
Landscaping
code,
if
they
were
removed
those,
then
they
would
have
to
replace
them
to
meet
the
credits.
So
when
you
have
an
existing
tree,
based
on
how
big
it
is,
you
get
a
certain
number
of
free
credits
that
go
towards
your
Landscaping
compliance,
so
sometimes
the
larger
trees
count
for
two
or
three
trees.
D
I
That's
correct,
yeah,
okay,
so
and
you
are
using
some
of
the
trees
on
the
site
for
two
credits.
Right.
Yes,
so
I
guess-
and
this
is
not
particular
to
this
proposal
at
all-
I'm,
just
curious.
Procedurally
again,
how
like
we
have
these
guidelines,
but
how
we
enforce
them.
So
if
somebody
can
go
ahead
and
remove
trees
without
any
oversight
after
they
go
through
this
process.
Is
that
that's
sort
of
what
I'm
hearing.
I
C
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Karen,
seeing
no
other
hands
raised
at
the
moment.
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
approve
this
application
for
alternative
complaints.
C
C
Thank
you,
Patrick.
Okay,
I
did
a
roll
call
vote,
Cecil.
A
C
J
J
C
Thank
you
and
I
vote
I
so
that
passes
so
we're
gonna
move
on
now
to
public
comment
and
for
on
General
matters.
Hunter.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
queue
now.
C
L
We
have
our
contractor
has
about
all
of
our
trees
in
the
ground
and
I've
been
working
on,
treating
primarily
Park
trees
for
emerald
ash
borer
to
protect
them
from
that
I've
seen
the
last
couple
days,
I've
got
about
15,
I,
guess,
trees
treated
so
far,
I
hope
to
do
some
more
treatments
on
Wednesday
and
Thursday.
I
need
to
go
out
of
town
next
week,
so
I
wanted
to
get
with
the
program
with
the
treatments
since
everything
greened
up
so
early
this
year.
I
didn't
want
to
fall
behind
with
that.
L
F
Hey
Mark
I
had
a
question
about
the
plantings
that
are
being
installed.
Is
there
anybody
inspecting
those.
L
L
L
B
L
L
The
ones
from
this
year
on
my
side
because
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
my
list,
I,
haven't
shared
that
with
you.
So
if
you
want
I
can
share
the
location
list
with
you,
so
we
can
speak
specifically
about
these
ones
that
are
happening
that
this
inspector
is
is
overseeing
I,
certainly
don't
want
to
have
soil
over
root.
Flares
I
hadn't
noticed
that
being
a
problem.
That
was
something
that
we
coached,
the
contractor
about.
L
Most
of
the
trees,
are
actually
in
the
central
business
district.
Are
these?
Where
you're,
seeing
the
concerns.
F
The
most
obvious
one
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
one
at
the
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
park
right
now,
but
along
Merriman,
just
above
WT
Weaver.
L
Then
I
didn't
plant
it
so
I,
don't
know
you
can
probably
inquire
with
the
parks
department
I'm,
not
the
only
Silo
in
the
city
that
has
planting
going
on.
There
are
other
departments
that
have
projects
that
come
up,
so
you
might
want
to
reach
out
to
Rebecca
Cipriano,
who
is
with
capital
projects
and
Parks
and
Recreation
she's,
a
landscape
architect,
I
believe
over
there.
L
F
F
Yeah,
it's
just
a
curious
fact:
I
mean
I
I.
You
know
going
back
to
the
premise
of
the
city
being
the
gold
standard,
you
know
and
the
you
know
being
held
to
the
highest
standards
of
what
they
want
to
see
in
the
public.
What
I
see
on
the
plantings,
whether
or
not
they're
in
your
department,
you
know
it's,
it's
pretty
subpar.
You
know
and
your.
L
L
L
C
So
we
can
follow
up
with
the
parts
department
and
other
departments
that
plant
trees
and
see
if
they
have
oversight
or
and
if
they
do
what
that
looks
like
so.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Are.
I
Hi
Mark
I
was
hoping
to
get
an
update
on
the
Municipal
Golf
Course
trees.
If
there
are
any
updates
on
on
those.
L
I
bet
Chris
would
be
the
best
person
to
speak
to
that
and
I
don't
see
him
on
the
meeting
quite
yet,
he
must
probably
still
be
at
his
Civic
Center
meeting
I
know
that
we
were
working
on
trying
to
work
something
out
with
the
contractor
who's,
not
actually
a
direct
employee
of
the
city.
He
is
a
contractor
for
the
company
that
runs
the
golf
course
with
us
now
so
I
know
that
Chris
and
Eric
from
legal
were
pursuing
some
options.
L
I,
don't
know
there
was
necessarily
finding
it
might
have
been
in
a
reduction
in
what
the
contractor
was
going
to
be
paid
for
the
work
which
would
amount
to
the
same
thing.
Eventually,
you
know
not
making
as
much
money.
I
know
I
want
to
see
soil
decompaction
where
it's
required.
I,
don't
have
a
clear
idea.
Yet
what
the
specific
locations
for
that
are
I
to
this
point,
any
any
discussion
of
vehicles
on
root
zones
and
so
forth
has
been
kind
of
vague
in
general
and
hasn't
really
given
me
any
good
actionable
information.
L
I
do
also
know,
though,
that
as
disappointed
as
I
was
to
see
work
being
performed
during
rainy
periods,
when
you
know
the
soil
is
particularly
prone
to
compaction,
not
all
the
equipment
that
was
in
the
vicinity
of
the
trees
was,
you
know,
quote
heavy
equipment
like
a
chip
truck
or
a
dump
truck,
or
something
that
I
would
definitely
not
want
to
see
underneath
the
drip
line
of
the
tree.
C
K
Oh,
thank
you
very
much
so
I
guess,
since
the
the
last
time
we
met
I've
been
doing
a
lot
of
Education.
Just
kind
of
you
know,
familiarizing
myself,
with
all
the
ordinances
I've
started
to
go
back
through
and
make
some
changes
in
those
ornices
little
things
here
and
there
up
to
this
point,
probably
mainly
in
the
tree.
Canopy
protection
ordinance
I've
been
making
some
suggestions
there.
K
You
know
different
plans,
and
you
know
different
people
to
approach
for
developing
the
forest
management
plan,
also
yeah
just
kind
of
reaching
out
to
different
organizations
who
maybe
aren't
representative
or
have
not
been
representative
in
the
past.
And
you
know
one
of
those
is
I,
have
a
meeting
coming
up
on
Friday
with
the
Asheville
homeowners
association
and
so
I
want
to
get
their
kind
of
intake
on.
K
You
know
some
of
the
legislative
bills
that
are
going
through
the
Senate
or
North
Carolina
house
right
now,
and
then
you
know
just
see
where,
where
we
can
best
serve
them
as
well,
because
they
are
certainly
a
user
group
and
and
someone
that
is
in
direct
impact
of
of
what
we
do
and
what
we
write
here
as
far
as
ordinances,
and
you
know
getting
things
approved
and
that
sort
of
thing
so,
but
other
than
that
you
know
still,
you
know
going
over
tree
canopy
protections
of
different
cities
looking
at
different
ordinances,
trying
to
lay
out
an
education
calendar
for
myself
conference
calendars,
that
sort
of
thing
and
then
trying
to
work
on
the
sorry.
K
The
species
list
as
well
try
to
pull
those
species
list
in
from
a
couple
different
sources.
I've
just
been
recently
going
back
over
the
Asheville
tree
map,
which
kind
of
deciding
whether
or
not
you
know
that
is
any.
That
data
is
any
use
to
us
or
you
know,
going
forward.
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
trees
on
that
map
that
aren't
within
the
city
limits.
K
So
I'm
kind
of
wondering
you
know
what
what
use
that
that
program
or
that
software
has
going
forward
and
then
that's
pretty
much
about
it
right
now,
I
mean
I
have
a
bunch
of
new
ideas,
but
you
know
I
don't
want
to
post
anything
out
there.
Yet
until
you
know,
I
could
figure
out
where
we're
going.
C
K
A
Yeah
I
I
really
hope
you
make
progress
on
the
species
list.
When
I
was
first
elected
to
City
Council
in
2009
and
became
the
liaison
to
what
was
then
the
treaty
the
tree
commission,
they
were
already
trying
to
resolve
the
recommended
species
list.
At
that
point,
and
it
still
hasn't
happened,
I
mean
we
still
have
different
lists
apparently,
and
that
blows
me
away
how
difficult
can
it
possibly
be
to
get
the
government
to
agree
with
each
other
about
the
recommended
species?
J
K
Still
seeing
it
in
a
bunch
of
different
places,
but
I
I
think
we
can
get
it
resolved
and
and
have
everyone
kind
of
you
know,
focus
in
on
one
species
list,
because
it's
it's
just.
It
makes
no
sense
where
and
and
why
they
are
in
the
ordinance
right
now.
C
J
Hey
Keith,
so
I
don't
know
if
you're
probably
aware
that
they're
for
a
lot
of
us
or
a
few
of
us
that
are
remaining,
that
we
have
worked
on
different
ordinances
like
there
was
a
working
group
that
worked
on
719
and
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
working
with
the
city
on
drafting
and
getting
that
implemented.
So
I'm
wondering
I'm
not
sure
of
what
the
New
Order
of
Things
Are
that
when
you
say
you
make
you're
making
changes
in
719
one
if
those
are
gonna.
J
You're
gonna
review
those
with
us
for
our
opinion
before
they
go
on
to
wherever
they're
going
to
go
because
I
don't
know.
I'm
I'm
you're,
probably
going
to
be
lucky
I'm,
going
to
be
off
in
December,
but
I'm
going
to
have
an
opinion
on
what
happens
and
what
doesn't
happen.
One
because
I'm
sitting
on
TRC
and
I
pay,
real
close
attention
have
to
to
what
the
ordinances
do
and
what
they
don't
do,
and
I
think
that
everybody
else
on.
J
The
committee
is
also
going
to
be
curious
on
the
changes
that
you
see
that
you
want
to
make
and
that
we
all
weigh
in
now.
What
happens
after
that?
I
don't
know,
but,
and
then,
which
brings
me
to
the
recommended
species
list.
I
know
that
I've
worked
on
the
recommended
species
list
with
past
people.
Karen
is
kind
of
taken
it
by
the
horns
now
and
added,
but
there
are
several
several
species
that
are
being
used
on
development
projects
that
are
extremely
columnar,
the
new
sycamores.
Let's
say
the
new.
J
J
So
I
was
having
issues
with
a
lot
of
these
new
species
that
are
going
in
on
TRC
that
are
a
large
species,
but
they're
very
columnar
they'll
only
have
a
width
on
them
of
four
feet:
three
feet,
but
they'll
be
20
feet
tall,
so
Ed
and
I
have
discussed
whether
that
should
be
counted
as
a
large
tree.
J
K
I'm
I'm
completely
open
to
you,
know,
sitting
down
and
talking
with
everybody-
and
you
know
here
in
your
your
feedback
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
mean.
Certainly
you
know,
as
we're
continually
to
you,
know,
write
and
rewrite
some
of
these
ordinances.
Certainly
one
to
you
know,
get
everyone's
feedback
I'm
sort
of
a
person
who
does
a
lot
of
networking,
so
I
want
like
everyone's
feedback.
K
As
far
as
the
the
commission
and
then
you
know
also
some
folks
on
the
outside,
who
may
have
you
know
better
experience
with
what
we're
seeing
now.
As
far
as
your
your
comment
on
the
the
large
trees
I
think,
our
only
stipulation
on
the
large
trees
is
based
on
a
height
requirement,
I'm,
not
sure
what
that's
necessarily
A.
You
know
a
canopy
with
requirement,
and
so
you
know
maybe
that's
something
that
we
should.
K
You
know,
could
put
in
the
ordinance
or
or
find
its
way
in
the
ordinance
that
there
is
actually
a
you
know
at
maturity,
a
a
canopy
with,
but
right
now,
I
think.
The
only
thing
that
designates
a
large
tree
from
a
small
tree
is
is
height.
J
J
Getting
like
southern
magnolias
I
have
one
job
that
came
through
that
had
about
30
of
them
and
they're
planted
in
a
lawn
and
all
of
us
here
that
get
know
that
we
get
40
inches
of
rain
and
if
you're
going
to
irrigate
that
lawn
that
a
southern
magnolia
isn't
going
to
do
well
in
that
location
because
it
doesn't
want
to
be
that
wet
or
they're
putting
them
as
parking
lot
trees,
which
is
called
vua
trees.
So
I
will
make
a
comment
on
it.
J
So
that's
all
you
know,
all
of
it
is
and
Chris
is
on
here
and
he'll
probably
attest
all
that
all
of
that's
all
going
to
tie
in
together
but
which,
but
when
we
have
southern
magnolia
on
our
recommended
species
list,
then
they
think
that
well,
okay,
I'm
gonna
go
put
that
because
it's
a
pretty
tree
and
the
designers
on
this
one
are
coming
from
Raleigh
and
it
does
really
well
in
Raleigh.
But
it's
a
iffy
tree
here
in
this
location,
depending
on
where
they're
gonna
put
it.
J
So
we've
got
all
of
that
weirdness
going
on
that
I'm
noticing
in
the
technical
Review
Committee
how
we
hone
that
down.
I
have
no
idea.
You.
J
Just
letting
you
know
what
I
see
and
and
then
with
the
changes
of
719
I
think
Chris
is
probably
going
to
talk,
but
that's
okay,.
B
Hey
just
real
quickly
to
add
to
what
Keith
said
to
your
question:
Sharon
about
how
these
amendments
will
come
forward.
It'll
be
a
familiar
process
to
the
urban
forestry
commission.
There
is
that
subcommittee
that
I'm
liking
on
the
actual
name
of,
but
that
we
work
with
frequently
on
these
ordinances
as
we
develop
them.
B
C
Thanks
thanks
Chris,
yes,
we
that's
the
policy
working
group
and
there's
there's
some
there's
an
update
on
the
agenda
from
the
policy
working
group
in
a
minute.
Nancy.
D
Yeah,
so
part
of
that
work
will
be
updating
the
ssdm
and
therefore,
finally
getting
rid
of
the
two
fragmented
species
lists.
D
Thank
you,
but
we
will
work
forward
with
that,
and
we
do
I
mean
there
are.
We
do
have
specifics
to
the
columnar
trees
and
so
forth
and
depends
on
what
type
of
credit
they're
asking
for
and
which,
whether
it
falls
under
11
or
19
as
to
how
it
is
credited
they're.
If
they're
columnar,
they
are
not
correct,
credited
as
a
large
canopy
for
article
19.
J
A
real
quick
question:
are
we
going
to
go
over
the
Landscaping
draft
code
that
I
printed
when
we
get
down
to
mostly
working
group,
so
I'll
say
my
question
then
thank.
C
You,
okay,
thank
you!
So
Keith
are
you
doing
the
tree
protection
ordinance
report
or
is
Nancy
doing
that.
K
K
D
D
K
On
the
table
that
to
Nancy
and
then
yeah
and.
D
Also
to
that
Hunter
Spitzer
is
your
staff
liaison
assistant,
so
he's
to
start
copying
them
and
you
can
leave
Haley
off.
C
Okay,
good
great
thanks,
so
moving
on
to
Old
business.
We
have
this
question
of
the
July
meeting
date
and
there's
two
dates
in
play
as
Alternatives,
which
are
June,
27th
or
July
11th.
C
D
J
C
C
Thank
you
I'll,
second,
that
thanks
Charlotte,
okay,
so
roll
call
vote,
Cecil.
A
E
G
C
Aye
Karen,
please
Sharon
I
and
I
vote
I,
so
that
motion
carries
we'll
be
having
our
next
urban
forestry
commission.
Not
next
are
instead
of
our
July
Urban
partial
commission
meeting,
and
it's
now
going
to
be
on
June
27th
at
1
pm.
C
Okay
working
group
updates
I
can
provide
the
budget
request.
Working
group
updates
is
that
after
City
Council
meeting
last
week,
I
think
there-
or
maybe
it
was
two
weeks
ago-
I
have
no
concept
of
time,
but
the
last
city
city
council,
meeting
yeah.
It
was
last
week
that
we
have
Greenworks,
had
encouraged
people
to
contact
their
city
council
members
to
advocate
for
funding
for
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
be
included
in
the
FY
24
budget.
C
It
was
just
an
encouragement.
There
was
no
vote
taken
on
it
or
anything.
Subsequently,
several
people
who
had
sent
email
messages
to
council
members
received
a
reply
from
council
member
Maggie
Ullman.
That
said,
basically
good
news.
This
will
be
included
in
the
fy24-25
budget,
so
you
know
hooray,
but
the
clarification
there
is
that
fy24
budget
is
because
the
the
fiscal
year
starts.
July
1.,
it
straddles
two
calendar
years.
So
it's
really
a
FY
23-24
that
starts
July,
1
2023,
so
that
funding
for
an
urban
Forest
master
plan
would
not
be
approved
until.
M
M
Perspective
and
Clarity
from
the
budget
work
position.
Yes,
please!
So,
as
some
of
you
may
know
that
we
do
have
a
City
Council
budget
Retreat,
where
we
identify
our
strategic
priorities,
which
are
the
agreements
that
influence
our
budget
plans
and
policies
throughout
the
year
at
our
budget
Retreat.
M
M
What
we
saw
in
the
last
budget
work
session
is
that
staff
took
an
opportunity
to
help
narrow
the
very
long
list
of
our
brainstorming
session.
So
if
anyone
is
interested
in
gaining
some
more
information
on
where
the
budget
process
currently
stands,
it
may
help
to
review
our
last
budget
work
session.
The
Council
budget
work
sessions
are
archived
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel.
M
One
of
my
key
takeaways
is
that
having
seen
the
presentation
from
staff
or
they
took
our
71
positions
from
the
budget,
Retreat
and
narrowed
them,
that
it
missed,
in
my
perspective,
the
opportunity
for
Council
to
finish
doing
its
job,
which
is
to
be
able
to
instruct
staff
with
at
least
a
majority
of
council
supporting
issues.
For
example,
of
the
71.
M
It
appeared
that
only
three
council
members
were
supporting
an
urban
forestry
master
plan,
though
I
was
not
asked,
so
we
still
have
some
work
to
do,
and
so
this
year's
budget
process,
as
far
as
the
council
position
is
not
finalized,
and
we
have,
at
our
last
budget
work
session,
asked
staff
to
schedule
a
follow-up
work
session
with
Council.
So
we
can
finish
doing
the
work
of
our
Retreat
and
narrowing
the
scope.
M
That
is
our
role
and
in
that
process,
I
would
say
that
we
would
be
making
positions
for
the
staff
and
directing
the
staff
on
the
23-24
cycle.
So
this
is
really
important,
because
a
lot
of
things
can
happen
in
a
year
right.
A
lot
of
things
have
happened
to
all
of
us
in
the
past
year.
So,
if
we're
talking
about
what's
happening
in
18
months
to
two
years,
there's
still
a
lot
that
can
happen
in
between
that.
M
So
it's
not
clear
to
me
that
Council
has
been
asked
to
define
the
the
outcomes
of
what
could
happen
in
the
24-25
cycle.
This
will
be
the
first
time
I've
ever
known
as
to
have
a
two-year
projection
on
that.
So
just
as
a
process,
we
do
have
the
budget
work
session.
We
do
have
a
budget
Retreat.
M
Those
things
are
opportunities,
there's
means
are
opportunities
to
inform
the
staff,
but
we
are
still
very
much
in
the
middle
of
our
budget
process,
and
so
you
know,
I
did
receive
a
number
of
emails
from
the
public
about
this,
but
not
as
many
as
I
would
have
expected.
So
hopefully
that
gives
you
a
better
picture
of
what's
happening
this
year
as
we
move
towards
the
budget
adoption
in
June,
which
will
start
July
1.
M
C
Thank
you,
Kim
Patrick.
You
have
your
hand
up.
G
C
J
C
Yeah
to
any
discussion,
okay,
it's
being
very
efficient.
Okay,
Cecil.
A
M
Was
trying
to
toggle
between
the
streets?
It's
my
understanding
that
we
already
have
a
recommendation
from
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
Funda
urban
forestry
master
plan
in
this
budget
cycle.
So
I
just
want
to
confirm
because
I'll
be
sending
this
in
a
report
as
your
liaison
to
the
full
Council
that
this
is
a
letter
following
up
or
reminding
Council
that
they
ask
is
for
this
budget
cycle.
Is
that
my
understanding,
correct,
correct.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
and
so
the
motion
is
still
on
the
table.
Cecil
voted
I
shirt
on.
D
A
C
Aye
Karen
hi,
Sharon
I
and
I
vote
I.
The
motion
passes
I
already
have
a
letter
written
that
I
can
share
with
you
all
and
and
see
for
your
your
comments
and
suggestions,
if
that's
okay,
not
to
take
that
away
from
you
Patrick,
if
you
want
that.
M
M
This
group
has
affirmed
that
they
are
reiterating
the
request
for
an
urban
forestry
master
plan
in
this
budget
cycle,
and
that,
with
my
report,
I
could
include
the
previous
recommendation,
understanding
that
it
did
take
what
at
least
five,
if
not
seven
years,
to
get
the
urban
Forester
funded.
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
have
this
documentation
correct.
Does
that
sound
about
right?
Yes,
okay!
I'll
include
the
previous
recommendation.
C
A
My
view
is
that
we
trust
you
on
this
letter
and
Trust
what
we've
already
said
before
and
better
to
get
it
in
sooner
than
than
to
wait.
C
And
I
might
need
to
make
a
couple
of
revisions
to
sort
of
angry
when
I
wrote
it,
but
so
I'll
make
some
edits
as
I
read.
If
I
read
it
out
today,
Zoe.
H
My
understanding
this
letter
would
be
based
on
the
budget
request
that
we
worked
up
before,
which
did
not
specify
FY
23..
That's
the
only
big
difference
that
I
would
see
in
the
recommendation
is
that
correct.
C
G
So
I
would
second
Cecil's
position
that
we
would
trust
you
Madam
chair,
acting
chair
to
draft
that
letter
and
without
any
prior
further
approval
from
the
commission.
I
would
only
ask
that
you
before
it
goes
to
the
city
council,
that
you
share
it
with
the
commission.
C
M
I,
just
so
you
know,
I
pulled
up
the
the
liaison
report
from
February
7th.
M
The
budget
recommendation
to
fund
a
comprehensive
Urban
Forest
master
plan
was
motioned
by
Cecil
seconded
by
Karen
past
unanimously,
at
one
hour
and
34
minutes
into
the
meeting.
It
does
not
say
that
it
should
be
for
this
physical
cycle
in
the
motion,
but
in
the
liaison
notes,
it
does
say
fiscal
year,
2023
24
budget
recommendation
and
that
you
sent
a
report
alongside
this
email.
So
it
would
really
truly
be
just
a
reaffirmation
of
your
existing
recommendation
for
this
budget
cycle.
Okay,
thank.
G
G
My
last
communication
with
Chris
Collins
is
that
he
and
Keith
worst
to
sit
down
and
go
over
those
I
think
it
was
either
this
week
or
last
week.
So
I
would
either
ask
Keith
or
Chris
to
give
us
an
update
on
whether
that
review
process
has
been
completed,
and
then
we
can
schedule
a
meeting
between
the
policy
working
group
and
staff
to
go
over
those
amendments
and
make
final
decisions.
B
G
B
And
Keith
and
I
have
been
looking
at
the
draft
ordinance
as
you've
seen
so
far
in
the
policy
working
group
and
the
comments
that
the
policy
working
group
has
made
on
that
document.
We've
made
a
lot
of
progress.
We
are
still
chasing
down
a
couple
more
things,
but
should
have
kind
of
a
short
up
next
revision
draft.
B
Don't
don't
get
mad
at
me
for
making
a
commitment
here
but
next
week,
so
once
we
have
that
ready,
I
can
reach
out
to
you
Patrick.
If
you
don't.
G
I'll
move
on
to
chapter
20.,
Ed
Macy
has
taken
taking
the
the
proposal
that
the
policy
working
group
submitted
to
staff
and
staff's
proposal
that
they
submitted
to
us
he's
gone
over
that
and
put
the
distill
the
differences
down
into
bullet
points,
and
we
also
been
working
on
language
related
to
Heritage
or
historic
trees
to
make
sure
that
that
language
meets
in
a
legal
muster,
and
we,
the
policy
working
group,
will
I'd
like
to
convene
a
meeting
of
the
policy
working
group
next
week
to
go
over
that
both
the
bullet
points
and
the
language
on
Heritage
and
historic
trees,
and
then
we
can
schedule
a
meeting
with
staff
and
hopefully
get
drag
this
chapter,
20
ordinance
revision
over
the
line
and
get
it
to
the
city
council.
J
G
Yeah,
so
the
missing
mental
housing
advisory
committee
had
its
initial
meeting
last
Wednesday,
which
was
followed
by
a
Public
Presentation
by
the
consultant
on
the
missing
middle
Housing,
Initiative
I'm,
just
going
to
give
you
the
very
high
level
synopsis
and
then
sort
of
narrowed
down
to
how
this
all
may
affect
the
work
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
has
has
done.
G
The
purpose,
the
the
focus
of
the
missing
middle
housing
advisory
committee
and
the
consultant
will
be
on
two
areas.
One
is
the
barriers
to
providing
missile
missing
middle
housing
and
opportunities
to
build
missing
middle
housing
in
the
city
of
Asheville
I'm,
going
to
focus
on
the
barriers,
because
the
main
area
identified
as
a
barrier
to
provide
a
missing
mental
housing
is
in
the
unified
development
ordinance
and,
more
specifically,
the
zoning
code.
G
So
as
as
it
stands
right
now,
and
particularly
in
residential
zoning
districts,
the
only
thing
that
can
be
built
are
single
family
homes.
G
So
the
the
main
barrier
to
missing
middle
housing
is
that
single-family
zoning
residential
neighborhoods
would
preclude
building
duplexes
triplexes
quad
plexes,
eight
dwelling
unit
buildings
and
condominiums
that
would
provide
missing
middle
housing.
So
so,
in
looking
at
other
barriers
to
missing
middle
housing
would
be,
one
area
would
be
trying
to
reduce
the
cost
of
building
missing
middle
housing.
G
So
taking
those
things
together,
one
two
things
that
would
be
in
play
in
terms
of
being
identified
as
a
barrier
and
possibly
making
exemptions
to
would
be.
The
tree
cannot
be
preservation,
ordinance,
719
and
the
Landscaping
standards.
Seven
eleven
three
so
I
can
see
where
developers
and
Architects
and
other
people
related
to
the
building
industry
would
see
the
tree
canopy
preservation,
ordinance
as
a
barrier
or
hindrance
to
building
missing
little
housing.
G
In
addition,
the
Landscaping
standards
you
know
dealing
with
the
removal
of
trees
or
protecting
trees
has
been
a
major
issue
in
other
cities
that
have
dealt
with
missing
little
housing.
G
So
I
as
the
representative
of
the
Coalition
of
Asheville,
neighborhoods
and
I
hope
working
with
the
representative
of
the
urban
forestry
Commission,
would
like
to
develop
some
kind
of
collaborative
group
within
the
missing
middle
housing
advisory
committee,
so
that
we
can
inter
begin
a
discussion
about
how
to
protect
any
further
erosion
of
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance,
as
well
as
our
Landscaping
standards.
G
In
terms
of
the
missing
middle
Housing,
Initiative,
so
I'll
leave
it
right
there
and
ask
if
anybody
has
any
questions.
G
None:
okay,
the
other
thing
that
we
have
to
do
is
Amy
Smith
was
the
urban
forestry
commission's
representative
to
the
missing
middle
housing
advisory
committee.
So
we
need
to
replace
her
on
that
committee
and
I'm
going
to
recommend
that
we
appoint
Zoe
Hoyle
as
the
urban
forestry
commission's
representative
to
the
missing
middle
housing
advisory
committee.
C
H
I
am
willing
and
I
think
Patrick
various
succinctly
outlined
what
the
work
will
be
on
that
committee.
Although
I
think
you
mentioned
something
to
me
Patrick
about
a
state
law
that
might
allow
some.
G
The
the
only
state
law
that
it's
not
a
law,
actually
the
only
state
initiative
that
I'm
aware
of
right
now,
would
be
Senate
Bill
317,
which
would
create
Workforce
housing
developments
on
10
acres
or
less,
and
as
the
bill
stands
now,
it
would
exempt
the
tree.
Canopy,
preservation,
ordinance
and
Landscaping
standards
from
being
implemented
in
those
projects.
C
Some
of
the
new
businesses
that
we
now
have
a
vacancy
with
Amy
Smith
resigning
from
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
I
also
want
to
say
that
Amy
did
such
an
incredible
job
as
the
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
for
a
long
time
and
I
really
admired
her
service
and
am
feeling.
C
So
I
would
like
to
recognize
her
formally
in
this
meeting
for
her
years
of
service
to
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
I
know
that
she
still
remains
dedicated
to
tree
canopy
protection
and
urban
forestry
issues.
Cecil.
A
So
we
need
to
at
some
point
appoint
a
new
chair,
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
Paul
about
the
procedure,
but
I'd
be
interested
to
know.
Dawn.
Do
you
are
you
willing
to
do
that
if
we
were
to
all
gang
up
on
you
and
kind
of
point
you.
C
I'm
flattered,
but
no
I
I
am
not
able
to
step
up
into
the
chair
role
in
a
permanent
way.
I.
A
A
I,
don't
think
it's
urgent,
but
I'm
sure
you
would
like
to
be
relieved
of
the
duty.
Asap
I
guess
one
question
from
my
end
would
be
is:
is
there
someone
else
who
would
like
to
be
the
chair
we'll
find
out.
C
Yes
well,
in
addition
to
a
voting
on
a
new
chair,
we
need
to
fill
the
vacancy,
so
we
have
a
full
slate
of
members
on
the
commission
and
the
new
way
that
commission
boards
and
commissions
seats
are
being
filled
is
on
a
quarterly
basis.
So
the
next
opportunity
we
would
have
to
vote
on
a
new
member
will
be
in
October,
October,
10th,
and
so
that
will
that
seat
will
remain
vacant
until
that
time
and
yes,
Patrick.
You
have
your
your
hand
up.
G
Yeah,
so
I
did
discuss
with
both
Amy
and
Dawn.
G
Have
discussions
with
them
about
the
next
chair
and
I
did
Express
a
willingness
to
step
in
and
become
the
chair
of
the
commission
for
the
remaining
part
of
this
year.
Thank.
J
C
Yes,
thank
you,
Patrick
for
that
and
I
think
that,
with
your
experience
on
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
on
boards
and
commissions
in
general,
that
you
would,
you
would
be
an
excellent
chair.
Thank
you
for
stepping
up
and
offering
Sharon
did
you
have
yeah.
J
It's
going
back
to
when
we
look
for
a
applicant
for
the
UFC
I,
don't
know
how
people
get
chosen,
but
I
would
like
to
say
that
if
we
could
get
a
contractor,
that's
familiar
with
looking
at
plans
because
from
what
I
understand,
TRC
is
still
going
to
be
a
voluntary
position
at
the
USC,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
handled
by
our
Urban
Forester,
which
I
I
would
like
to
see
happen.
J
But
I
think
a
contractor,
that's
available
to
looking
at
plans
and
understanding
layouts
that
being
willing
to
volunteer
their
time
at
TRC.
Because
again,
I
keep
stating
I'm
gone
in
December
and
TRC
I
think
is
an
integral
part
of
what
gives
us
information
of
what's
going
on
in
the
development
Community
as
it's
happening
so
I'm
just
throwing
my
two
cents
in.
If
there's
a
contractor
that
applies
but
I,
don't
know
how
our
our
our
choices
are
with
that.
But
that's
just
my
two
cents.
C
Thanks
Sharon,
yes,
the
call
for
applications
goes
out
for
open
boards
and
commission
seats
and
members
of
the
community
are
invited
to
apply
the
answer.
Would
you
like
to
jump
in
here.
D
D
Yes,
so
take
you
know
all
the
stuff
associated
with
true
stuff,
two
Council
together
so
for
the
vacancy.
The
vacancy
is
currently
listed
on
the
website,
so
it
is
open,
but
it
will
be
advertised
in
the
fall
cycle
when
they
do
a
big
push
through
cape
and
that
sort
of
stuff
Kate
being
our
Communications
Department,
and
so
the
deadline
for
applications
is
August
27th
and
then
for
an
appointment
of
October
10th.
D
So
once
the
Liaisons
to
overall
boards
and
commissions
receives
those
applications,
they
will
filter
them
to
both
Dawn
and
Patrick,
for
recommendations
to
City
Council.
C
And
the
the
process
that
we
have
followed
has
been
pretty
simple
and
I
would
like
for
it
to
be
not
more
complicated
but
just
I,
guess
more
transparent
about
the
criteria
that
we're
looking
for
in
a
commission,
member
and
and
just
how
about
how
we
go
about
selecting
that
that
person
in
the
past,
Amy
and
I
have
had
a
discussion
and
went
through
the
applications
and
picked
a
couple
and
talked
it
out
and
that's
you
know,
that's
a
very
simple
process,
but
I
think
that
we
lose
some
good
input
and
perspective
from
other
people.
A
C
F
C
C
Zoe
I
Karen,
hi,
Sharon,
hi
and
I
vote.
I,
congratulations,
Patrick
and
thank
you
so
much
for
stepping
into
this
role.
It's
a
chair,
so
you
can
take
the
meeting
from
here.
C
Okay
looks
like
Nancy
you're,
not
sure
either
so
I'll,
just
maybe
that
was
left
over
from
a
different
meeting.
D
Amy
was
on
some
of
the
working
groups
and
if
we
wanted,
if
anyone
wanted
to
it,
opens
up,
I
think
she
was
I'm.
Gonna
have
to
look
back
at
the
last
agenda
to
see
what
happens,
but
if
anyone
that's
what
that
is,
if
anyone
wants
to
participate
in
a
working
group
that
they
weren't
currently
on,
then
there's
some
openings.
C
Okay,
thank
you
Patrick
and
Zoe.
Then
Karen
yeah.
G
C
H
Yes,
Amy
was
on
both
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
and
fee
in
lieu,
so
we
could
use
a
person
or
two
for
both
of
those
and
I
also
wanted
to
ask
what
I've
forgotten
where
we
were
in
the
process
of
fee
and
Lou
I
know
we
had
developed
a
recommendation
and
I
believe
we
sent
that
letter
to
city
council,
maybe
to
Kim.
D
M
C
C
All
right
well,
that
brings
us
to
updates
from
Greenworks
well
shelter,
so
we
celebrated
Arbor
Day
on
April
29th
by
planting
100
trees
at
the
Hardesty
Lane
Nursery.
That
Greenworks
operates
on
city
property
in
East
Asheville,
and
we
had
a
number
of
volunteers
come
out,
including
our
Urban
Forester
Keith.
Was
there
planting
trees,
Barefoot
I
looked
the
other
way,
so
I
wouldn't
worry
about
liability
issues,
but
we
getting
in
touch
with
the.
C
Was
such
a
beautiful
day
and
we
had
such
great
volunteers
and
were
able
to
plant
100
trees
in
about
two
hours,
so
it
was
a
good
day.
Those
trees
will
be
will
be
used
over
the
years
as
for
plantings
in
public
places
like
Street
trees
and
other
places
where
the
trees
need
to
be
a
bit
bigger
before
they're
planted.
C
So
these
trees
will
be
ready
in
probably
five
years
to
be
spaded
up
and
and
distributed,
especially
in
areas
that
are
most
prone
to
extreme
heat
in
the
summer
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
I
mentioned
this
at
the
last
meeting,
but
we're
also
Greenworks
has
submitted
an
application
to
the
to
NASA
and
NASA
or
Noah
sorry
Noah,
and
for
to
be
part
of
this
National
Urban
heat
island
mapping,
study
and
we
were
selected,
and
that
means
Asheville
is
going
to
be
participating
in
the
study
this
summer.
C
I'm
not
sure
if
the
date
has
been
nailed
down
yet,
but
it
will
be
a
day.
Try
to
pick
one
of
the
hottest
days
in
the
summer
predict
that
and
then
have
a
salute
of
volunteers
going
out
and
that
being
100
square
miles.
Of
of
Road
three
times
the
same
Rose
three
times
in
one
day,
so
we're
very
excited
about
that
and
what
the
implications
are
for,
helping
us
identify
where
trees
are
most
needed
in
our
city,
foreign.
C
K
I'm,
sorry,
no
I
I
had
a
great
time
on
Saturday.
Even
though
I
was
I
was
barefoot,
but
I
was
I
was
actually
hurting.
You
know,
I
was
so
I
was
you
know
doing
good
by
myself
as
well
as
doing
good
for
others,
but
now
I
had
a
great
time,
and
you
know
it
was
enjoyable
just
talking
to
different
people
who
were
there
and
why
are
there
there
and
why
they
like
to
help
out
and
Wicked
Weed
was
there
with
their
representative
planetaries
as
well?
K
So
you
know
it
was
I
think
it
was.
It
was
all
good
and
good
and
done.
I
was
expecting
myself
to
show
up
on
WLOS
on
some
video
clip,
but
it
didn't
make
the
Reel
so
I,
guess
I,
guess
I
guess
guess
we
have
to
you
know
I,
guess
that's
fortunate,
considering
that
I
was
wearing
dirty
overalls
and
you
know
a
feather
in
my
hat
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
it
might
have
been
looked
a
little
weird
but
but
yeah
I
had
a
good
time.
C
Yeah
representing
properly,
and
then
another
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
the
U.S
forest
Service
has
a
grant
program
through
the
inflation
reduction
act
for
community
and
urban
forestry,
that
the
federal
government
allocated
1.5
billion
dollars
to
this
grant
program,
and
so
grants
will
be
made
that
can
be
for
a
period
of
five
years.
C
The
minimum
grants
amount
is
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
the
areas
that
the
the
grant
program
covers
are
exactly
what
we
need
for
an
urban
Forest
3
Program
in
the
city
of
Asheville
and
elsewhere
can
cover
tree
inventories
and
master
plan
development
and
Community
engagements
and
resiliency
plans
and
Workforce
Development
plans.
It's
like
a
whole
slew
of
things.
C
Greenworks
is
planning
on
submitting
an
application,
and
we
just
love
City
support
on
that
application
or
I
would
support
the
city
in
an
application
for
funding.
I.
Think
that
you
know
if
funding
were
allocated
for
an
urban
Forest
master
plan
in
the
FY
24
budget,
that
those
funds
could
be
used
as
matching
funds
for
this
grant.
C
If
we
were
to
get
it
so
I
think
this
is
the
time
is
right:
we're
not
going
to
have
another
opportunity
like
this
anytime
soon
and
once
the
funds
are
granted,
it's
not
they're
not
going
to
have
another
Grant
cycle
each
year.
This
is
this.
Is
it,
and
so
we
could
get
in
for
funding,
not
only
an
urban
Forest
master
plan,
but
also
a
comprehensive,
comprehensive,
Urban
Forest
forestry
program
for
the
city.
That
would
help
us
with
the
implementation
of
what
the
plan
comes
up
with
Cecil.
A
C
C
G
If
actual
Green
Works
is
the
recipient
of
the
funds,
how
does
that
work
in
terms
of
an
urban
Forest
master
plan,
which
would
be
a
city
plan.
C
Great
so
I
mean,
ideally,
the
city
would
partner
with
us
on
this
application
and
could
be
the
recipient
of
the
funds,
or
we
could.
C
Contract
with
the
city
to
distribute
those
funds
in
some
way
to
help
cover
the
cost
of
the
urban
Forest
master
plan,
but
they
would
be
the
the
city
would
be
the
The
Entity
that
manages
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
development.
It
would
not
be
a
Greenworks
Urban,
Forest
semester
plan.
C
So
the
the
application
is
due
June
1st
I
am
assuming
that
it
will
take
five
to
six
months
for
the
the
process.
They're
they're
going
to
be
inundated
with
applications,
and
so
I
would
see,
see
that
taking
like
that
long
to
maybe
start
January
1st.
G
And
would
you
want
the
urban
forestry
commission
support
in
urging
the
City
to
be
a
co-sponsor
with
Greenworks
for
this
grant.
C
I'm
not
asking
for
the
urban
Forest
Street
commission
as
a
whole
to
endorse,
but
if
individual
members
could
contact
their
city
council
members,
that
might
be
good
I
think
the
time
is
just
it's
a
very
quick
turnaround.
Time
too
so
I
can't
delay
Zoe.
H
So
Greenworks
would
be
the
actual
applicant
or
would
the
city
need
to
be
also
be
an
applicant
in
order
to
fund
the
master
plan?
So.
C
I
should
I
should
be
more
clear,
so
Greenworks
is
submitting
an
application
for
urban
urban
forestry
programming
that
we're
doing,
and
we
can
also
partner
with
the
city
on
a
separate
application
that
it
would
be
preferable
for
the
city
to
be
the
applicant
and
we
could
support
that
application.
C
M
It
sounds
like
because
Greenworks
would
be
applying
essentially
for
a
partnership
or
relying
on
a
partnership
for
this
funding.
I
would
suggest
if
you're
going
to
make
a
motion,
do
two
things
to
keep
it
real
tidy.
One
is
I
would
suggest
that
one
might
recused
on
because
of
the
connection
with
Greenworks
and
then
that
a
other
urban
forestry
commission
member
could
because
you
would
have
to
vote
to
recuse
Don,
if
that's
the
case
and
then
go
through
a
process
of
recommending
that
the
city
pursue
the
funding
for
this
partnership.
M
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
done
this
meeting,
but
one
reason
one
might
consider
doing
it
because
you're
already
uplifting
the
recommendation
to
fund
the
urban
forestry
master
plan
in
this
budget
cycle.
You
could
pair
that
together
as
a
package
and
say
here's
what
we
recommended
in
February,
we're
reminding
of
the
recommendation
to
fund
it
and
here's
an
opportunity
to
partner
for
the
funding.
So
it
provides
a
solution
along
with
the
recommendation
you've
already
made,
but
by
recusing
Don,
who
is
at
the
table
in
the
Greenworks
role.
M
G
So
I
would
move
take
the
first
step
of
recusing
Dawn
from
any
vote
on
any
recommendation
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
would
make
in
terms
of
requesting
the
city
to
partner
with
Greenworks
on
a
Grant
application
to
help
fund.
The
urban
forestry
master
plan.
A
C
So
Patrick
I
think
maybe
I
don't
know
if
it
matters.
If
I
can
call
the
vote,
I
can't
because
I'm
being.
M
And
because
we
don't
have
a
vice
chair
Patrick
since
you
would
you
be
willing
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
in
the
absence
of
a
vice
and
chair
position
right
now,.
G
Store
so
you've
heard
the
motion
and
the
motion
has
been
seconded.
Is
there
any
discussion
from
the
commission
members.
G
If
not,
then
I
will
call
the
question.
So
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
by
roll
call,
I'll
start
with
Cecil
Bothwell.
A
I
I
M
That
one
in
place
now
Don
is
still
recused
from
the
rest
of
the
conversation
as
our
accused
member.
So
at
this
point
we
could
hear
a
recommendation
for
the
city
council
regarding
the
funding
recommendation.
Partnership.
G
B
M
I,
are
you
also
suggesting
that
the
funding
be
for
specifically
an
item,
or
is
it
in
general
for
reforestation?
Is
it
specifically
for
the
master
plan,
for
example,.
G
Okay,
then,
the
motion
has
been
amended.
Is
there
any
discussion.
G
Seeing
none
I
will
call
the
question.
You've
heard
the
motion.
It's
been:
second
Cecil
I,
Karen,
hi,
Zoe,
I,
Sharon,
I
short
on
aye
and
I
vote
I.
So
the
motion
passes.
M
Okay,
so,
following
up,
thank
you
Patrick
for
picking
up
the
Baton
on
that
one.
So
now
I
will
be
sending
the
February
recommendation.
The
updated
reminder
recommendation
and
this
third
recommendation
for
the
IRA
funding,
including
a
recommendation
to
urge
Council
to
partner
with
Greenworks
and
now
that
that
is
passed.
You
could
continue
the
regular
part
of
your
meeting
with
your
interim
chair,
Don
Chavez.
Hopefully
that
was
helpful.
C
Thank
you.
Yes,
that
was
very
helpful.
We've
got
some
clarity
around
that
and
thank
you.
Everyone
for
supporting
that
I
know
we're
all
eager
to
see
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
come
to
fruition.
C
J
Sorry
on
the
Landscaping
draft
code,
which
is
a
complete
change
of
what
7-Eleven
3
is
now
to
what
it
will
be,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
when
that's
going
to
go
before
discussion
on
this
through
us
and
the
policy
working
group,
I
I
know
that
Ed
was
on
it.
I
was
on
it
at
one
time,
but
I
pretty
much
think
that
it's
the
draft
is
finished
and
the
Dilla
has
submitted
it.
D
I
think
he
had
a
targeted
date
to
go
to
pnz,
but
all
this
with
council's
schedule,
May
get
pushed
back
because
we
haven't
taken
it
to
anyone
or
two
outside
of
to
some
of
the
other
groups
that
also
need
to
review
it.
So,
but
I
think
he
was
targeting
June
to
PNC,
which
means
August,
July
I'll
get
August
ish,
probably
to
cancel.
D
That
was
the
last
time.
I
spoke
with
the
Padilla
about
it,
but
the
plan
is
yes
to
take
to
bring
it
to
you,
guys,
probably
as
part
of
your
working
groups,
maybe
for
an
in-depth
dive
and
because
you
all
have
it
right.
Yes,.
J
D
J
I
could
we
need
to?
There
are
some
things
that
are
being
removed,
like
building
impact.
Trees
are
going
to
be
removed
for
various
types
of
reasons
and
which
brings
me
a
discussion
that
I
think
should
go
before
the
UFC.
Some
of
this
should
come
to
all
of
us
to
discuss
because
I
don't
know
how
many
is
left
on
the
working
group
on
this
with
Ed
being
off
of
there.
So
if
that
means
that
we'll
have
discussion,
the
29th
of
June
that'll
be
our
last
opportunity
to
discuss
it
collectively.
J
Well
then,
maybe
they'll
give
me
more
time
to
do
June
27,
but
maybe
it'll
start
with
June
6
and
move
to
June
27
I'm
thinking
because
of
the
amount
of
changes
and
I'm
only
saying
that,
because
there
is
no
real
subcommittee,
I,
don't
believe
anymore.
That's
been
working
on
this
per
se.
Now
that
the
draft
is
done,
he.
D
J
Because
I'm
on
that
group
and
haven't
had
any
any
information
on
it,
so
when
I
saw
it
on
the
agenda,
I
thought
well
I,
wonder
where
we're
at
with
it
so
yeah.
We
should
start
with
June
6
and
then
discuss
it
and
then
probably
end
up
June
29.
If
it's
not
being
pushed
to
PNC
before
that,
but
it
doesn't
sound
like
it.
D
J
G
Yes,
Cher:
were
you
suggesting
that
this
come
before
the
policy
working
group.
J
Well,
we
used
to
have
a
policy,
but
it
that's
when
it
was
Ed
vadilla
that
were
part
of
the
and
I
think
you
were
on
it
also,
and
then
it
started
formulating
with
staff
behind
and
and
then
the
what's,
that
called
the
stock.
The
stakeholders
looked
at
it
and
made
some
adjustments,
so
there
was
a
stakeholder
revision
and
then
I
was
waiting
for
the
final
revision
from
the
stakeholders
that
come
through
and
so
I
think
it's
done
now
with
that.
J
G
Right
so
vanilla
took
some
moose
people
from
the
open
space
task
force
into
this
task
force
to
discuss
the
changes
to
the
yeah.
J
Were
but
then
there
came
a
point
where
I
kind
of
sort
of
just
stopped
I
participated
to
a
point
and
then
just
let
it
formulate
to
have
opinions
after
it
was
all
done.
So
we
could
use
an
additional
person
or
two
that
wants
to
get
into
the
weeds
when
I
say
the
weeds
I
mean
really
the
weeds
Chardon,
if
you're
willing
to
volunteer
to
get
into
the
Weeds
on
this.
G
J
J
Mean
on
the
on
the
on
the
changes
of
the
what's
it
called
the
landscape
draft
code.
J
And,
and
if
anybody
else
is
I
mean,
is
that
appropriate
to
ask
if
anybody
else
is
interested
sure
and
Chardon
and
anybody
else
that
wants
to
look
at
an
ordinance.
J
It
could
be
interesting,
yeah
interesting.
It
is
not,
but
but
it's
necessary
at
this
point
all
right,
so
Patrick
you
get
in
touch
with
me
and
then
we'll
reach
out
to
the
other
two
people
that
are
volunteered
and
we'll
work,
work
on
it,
because
it's
it's
gonna,
it's
22
pages.
C
Well,
I
think
we're
completely
done
yes
with
our
meeting,
so
the.