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From YouTube: Multimodal Transportation Commission – February 22, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Multimodal Transportation Commission.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/multimodal-transportation-commission/
Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://www.publicinput.com/C1588
B
Thank
you
Nicole
good
afternoon
and
welcome
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
February
22nd
2023
city
of
Asheville
multi-modal,
Transportation
Commission
meeting.
My
name
is
Dennis
Wenzel
and
I'm
the
chair
of
this
group.
Our
meetings
continue
to
be
held
virtually
for
the
time
being,
but
there
are
many
ways
for
interested
parties
to
participate
in
this
Gathering.
B
The
city
of
Asheville's
engagement,
Hub,
which
includes
a
variety
of
links
and
phone
numbers
that
can
be
found
on
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
page
of
the
city
of
Asheville's
website
visiting
this
page
is
the
best
way
to
take
part
in
our
virtual
meetings,
member
staff
and
guests.
Please
remember
to
keep
your
microphones
muted
at
all
times
when
you're,
not
speaking,
so
that
we
can
minimize
feedback
another
round.
Other
background
noises
I'd
like
to
now
welcome
our
commission
members
members
when
I
call
your
name,
please
introduce
yourself
and
let
us
know
what
interests
you
represent.
D
Hello,
my
name
is
Kenny
Armstrong
I
also
sit
on
the
greenway
committee,
but
I
represent
all
the
interests.
E
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
sorry
about
that
Jack,
Eglin
and
I'm
at
large
member,
hey.
B
Jack
Leanna
Joyner.
F
Hi
there
Leanna
Joyner
I,
represent
Greenway
committee
to
the
multimodal
commission.
Hey.
B
A
Pat
cats
hi,
my
name-
is
Pat
Katz
I
am
at
large
bicycling,
which
I
did
this
morning
with
my
husband
in
Yankee,
Town
Florida,
so
bicycle
interest,
predominantly
hi
hi
yeah.
G
Hey
Bill
office
here
and
I
am
on
the
transit
committee.
B
We're
here
I
know
he's
he's
coming
in
remote
from
Mexico,
so
we
might
get
him
some
conditions
connecting
to
issues
but
I'm
sure,
he'll,
caucuses,
yeah.
H
H
Yeah
I
am
sorry
about
that
yeah
Joe,
archwald
I
am
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
liaison
to
multimodal
thanks
Joe.
J
I'm
sorry
I
had
my
mute
button
on
Joe
chessler
I'm,
a
large
member
of
news
of
the
commission
and
serve
as
liaison
also
to
Transit.
So
a
pleasure
to
be
with
you
all.
B
Welcome
Elizabeth
blakeis.
K
Yes,
I'm
Elizabeth,
Lucas
I
am
the
liaison
to
the
neighborhood
advisory.
Council
and
also
Greenways
are
one
of
my
big
interests:
hey
Elizabeth
and.
B
Maggie
welcome
okay.
The
first
order
of
business
is
going
to
review
today's
agenda.
Can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda.
B
B
Thank
you.
We
have
a
motion,
a
second
any
comments
on
today's
agenda.
B
All
right,
we're
going
to
go
through
a
roll
call
vote,
Randy,
Warren,
aye,
Jenny,
Armstrong,
aye,
Jack,
eichelman,
hi,
Leon,.
E
F
F
B
Bill
Loftus,
hi
and
Joseph
chessler
all
right
excellent,
but
I
as
well
as
motion
carries
next
item
is
to
review
the
revised
minutes
from
the
October
26
2022
meeting
the
review.
The
revision
was
adding
the
smirk
Grant
motion
to
the
minutes.
I
believe
that's
been
added.
So
if
I
can
get
a
motion
to
approve
these
minutes.
C
Putting
in
all
the
Motions
into
writing
because
we're
doing
the
meeting
minutes
in
this
format
does
allow
us
more
detail,
because
people
can
go
back
and
view
the
video,
but
it
makes
it
more
unrealty
in
terms
of
picking
out
the
highlights
and
so
I
think
it's
important
and
I
think
necessary
that
we
at
least
put
all
the
Motions
in
there.
So
I
appreciate
that
revisions.
F
J
B
We
are
rolling
right
along
next
order
of
business
to
review
and
approve
the
December
7
2022
minutes
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Any
comments
or
questions
on
the
December
7th
minutes
without
comment.
Question
we'll
have
a
vote
of
approval,
ready,
aye,
Kenny.
D
B
B
I
do
not
believe
there
is
public
comment
for
today,
so
we'll
go
on
to
a
new
business,
the
first
item
in
new
business.
We
have
a
brand
thank
a
new
member
of
our
group,
Joseph
chessler
Joseph.
You
have
a
couple
of
minutes
to
give
us
a
quick
hello,
an
introduction.
J
I
can't
wait,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
with
you
all
just
want
to
let
you
know:
I
I
am
a
certified
planner
with
aicp
and
a
floodplain
manager.
I
moved
to
North
Carolina
in
2006,
after
serving
senior
environmental
planning,
with
the
Walt
Disney
Company
and
Walt
Disney
imagineering,
and
as
chief
of
planning
with
L.A
county
Los,
Angeles
County
beaches
and
harbors
lived
in
Hendersonville
and
Asheville
for
the
last
16
years.
J
I'm
a
bicycle
Advocate
and
trip
leader
with
the
hustling
International
was
a
former
board
member
with
them
until
two
years
ago,
since
moving
to
North
Carolina
I
I've
always
wanted
to
drive
a
bus.
So
I
I
got
my
commercial
driver's
license
and
I've
been
in
a
charter
bus
operator
ever
since
part-time
I.
Don't
do
it
much
now,
but
look
forward
to
working
with
you
to
advocate
for
thoughtful
integration
of
all
forms
of
transportation,
where
appropriate
and
seeking
to
improve
our
community
and
region.
B
B
Next
item
is
the
thank
you,
multimodal
commission
membership.
We
Jessica.
Would
you
like
to
address
that.
M
Sure
so
we
have
five.
Is
that
right,
five
applications
here
for
your
consideration,
and
this
would
be
to
fill
council
member
almond
C
now
that
she
is
a
council
member
in
our
liaison.
M
So
we're
looking
for
a
motion
to
recommend
appointment
of
one
of
these
folks
or
or
not,
and
then
it
will
make
its
way
to
the
council
with
our
with
your
recommendation
for
a
point.
Official
appointment,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it
will
be
their
next
meeting
but
to
have
perhaps
the
one
after
that
I'm
not
quite
sure.
B
Okay,
thank
you
first
I'd
like
to
say
this
is
again
an
embarrassment
of
riches.
These
folks
are
all
fantastic
and
I'm
really
excited
to
have
this
awesome
list.
B
N
B
Also,
maybe
we
can
approach
them
to
ask
them
to
be
a
part
of
our
committees
as
well,
because
they
have
excellent
backgrounds
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
that
I,
see
here
and
I'm
really
excited
for
them
to
participate
in
some
way
in
what
we
are
trying
to
get
accomplished
here.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
kind
of
open
it
up
for
comments
or
questions
or
recommendations
from
from
the
commission,
foreign.
H
I'll
just
make
the
same
kind
of
comments.
I
make
every
time
I
think
it's
good
I
do
definitely
appreciate
all
these
people
definitely
brings
a
lot
background
and
I
think
you're,
correct
Dennis.
It
would
be
great
to
kind
of
keep
these
people
on
the
radar
and
maybe
even
get
them
involved
in
some
of
the
other
working
group.
H
But
you
know
I
mean
trying
to
get
diversity,
I
think
it's
always
a
problem
and
I
think
there's
at
least
a
few.
A
couple
of
people
applicants
that
were
towards
the
younger
age,
maybe
different
regions,
areas
of
the
city
that
we
don't
have
members
on.
So
that
might
be
if
I
was
a
voting.
Member
might
sway
me
just
to
again
get
as
inclusive
as
we
can
with
quads.
So.
C
Yeah
definitely
I
think
the
diversity
is
important,
and
so
that's
something
you
always
consider
where
they
live
in
the
city,
for
example,
and
the
age
and
male
female,
and
things
like
that
too.
If
they're
a
member
of
any
you
know,
underrepresented
group,
it's
interesting
because
none
of
these
people
have
direct
like
bicycle
pedestrian,
advocacy
experience,
which
is
always
great
to
see,
but
it's
also
unusual.
They
do
have
a
wide
variety
of
things
they
bring
to
the
table.
C
I
think
different
people
in
terms
of
like
their
experiences
in
terms
of
using
multiple
transportation,
and
there
are
other
experiences
in
terms
of
politics
or
business
or
management.
Things
like
that
too.
I
think
on
my
list,
I
put
down
a
silly.
C
First,
because
I
think
her
breadth
of
experience
in
terms
of
a
cyclist
and
political
experience
and
some
of
the
while
agency
you
receive
directly
received
for
sort
of
political
work,
I
think
was
notable
to
me.
They're
working
in
diverse
communities
she's
been
in
major
cities
before
in
Africa
before
doing
things,
and
so
it
seems
like
the
experience
that
she
brings
to
people.
For
me
at
least,
she
was
my
number
one
candidate.
B
Thanks
Randy
any
other
comments.
E
Yeah
I,
just
in
my
rankings,
Shelley,
was
also
my
top
I
I.
Struggled
with
that,
though,
I
thought
again
all
were
super
strong
candidates.
E
So
I
don't
know
that
that's
a
strong
first,
but
it
did.
She
did
come
up
as
number
one
on
my
list
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
could
chime
in
on
perspective
of
I
definitely
agree
with
being
as
inclusive
as
possible
on
the
committee,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there
are
any
holes
and
skills
or
representation.
I
was
having
a
little
bit
of
trouble,
sorting
that
out
of
Who's
Who
on
our
committee
and
what
backgrounds
they
have
so
does
anyone
have
any
insight
of
what
big
holes
might
exist
on
our
committee.
F
Don't
I
don't
have
a
specific
thought
in
response
to
Jack,
okay.
B
Yeah
Jack
I
mean
I
I
feel
like
we
have
been
very
lucky
in
getting
a
lot
of
folks
that
have
very
specific
advocacy
experience
and
you
know
I
think
maybe
the
times
of
our
meetings.
B
We
tend
to
self-select
because
it's
very
difficult
for
for
a
lot
of
folks
to
participate
at
these
this
time
of
the
week
of
the
day.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing,
so
I
think
you
know,
we've
struggled
with
getting
younger
folks,
I.
Think
we've
struggled
with
folks
that
you
know
I
think
are
maybe
newer
to
this.
You
know
process,
so
we
tend
to
have
folks
that
know
how
to
participate
or
have
had
some
experience
of
participating
in
the
past.
B
But
you
know
that's
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
a
glaring
hole
or
Gap
in
who
we
have
I
think
we
have
a
very
strong
group,
but
I
always
want
to
make
sure
if
I
you
know,
if
I
look
for
something
where
I
see,
maybe
there's
some
that
that
I,
don't
feel
is
represented
or
no
one
else
looks
like
that
person.
I
I'm.
You
know
I'm
drawn
to
that,
because
I
think
that
could
add
a
perspective
that
maybe
we
don't
already
have.
B
F
I,
do
you
know
it's
probably
my
own
bias
here,
so
you
can
take
that
with
a
grain
of
salt,
but
you
know,
I
was
particularly
took
note
of
Abigail's
kind
of
background
and
perspective
around
kind
of
marketing
and
messaging
and
and
thinking
about
the
work
that
we
do.
F
F
K
And
my
question
was
more
around
the
holes
in
holes
and
things
that
could
be
filled,
gaps,
other
perspectives
and
I
part
of
my
struggles.
I,
don't
really
know
very
many
people
on
this
group
very
well
and
sort
of
backgrounds
where
you
live,
what
those
interests
are,
except
when
we
do
those
brief
introductions.
So
from
those
of
you
that
have
been
on
this
group,
are
there?
K
Have
there
been
I
mean
I,
don't
know
everything
from
the
area
of
the
city
to
business
Realty,
somebody
that
bikes
and
rollerblades
and
uses
screen
ways
I
just
I
couldn't
tell
you
how
to
fill
the
gaps
because
I
don't
really
know
what
the
gaps
are.
B
Yeah
understood
Elizabeth
I'm,
sorry
Jessica!
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
that.
M
Well,
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
could
say
is
that
we,
you
know
we
do
collect
demographic
information
and
like
General
location
information
in
our
in
our
applications,
but
I
don't
know
that
we've
published
that
or
put
that
out
at
any
time
recently
and
we'd
be
happy
to
to
put
that
information
together
if
that,
if
that
helps,
but
it
doesn't
really
speak
to
like
personal
experience
and
knowledge
and
and
such
that
you're
talking
about
Elizabeth
but
I,
you
know
I
do
think
that
obviously
we're
missing
diversity,
I,
would
say
probably
well.
M
M
B
Okay,
I
I
agree
with
you
and
before
I
go
to
Joe
next,
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
about
is
someone
that
is
actively
using
the
networks.
I
think
is
really
important
to
me
when
I
see
that
they
have
participated
in
the
transit
system,
that
there
are
active
users
and
consumers
of
the
the
bike
lanes
and
the
Greenways
I
think
that
really
helps,
because
that
is
real
time.
Routine
frequency
of
experience
that
can
really
show
up
and
make
allow
us
or
help
us
to
make
some
decisions
here.
Joe.
H
Yeah
thanks
Dennis
I
just
wanted
to
comment
as
one
of
the
longer
time
members
here
and
Jessica's
right.
You
know,
certainly
you
know,
but
I
guess
I
would
say
people
who
write
trans
if
it
has
been
over
the
you
know
five
and
a
half
years,
I've
been
on
probably
the
biggest
lacking
and
I
think
you're
right
Dennis.
It
has
to
do
with
time
of
the
meetings
purely
based
on
that.
H
You
know
I
kind
of
know
that
Elise
Martyrs
application,
she's
younger
females,
you
know
seems
to
you
know,
fuse
the
transit
system
a
lot
and
then
I
think
it's
my
product.
They
I
think
I'd
say
things
to
be
coming
from
a
backgrounds.
Maybe
not
a
lot
of
the
members
have
I
mean
he's
a
major
business
owner,
whether
that's
good
or
bad,
for
this
commission
I'm
not
sure,
but
it
was
interesting.
Let's
just
say
that.
B
Thanks
Joe
I
I
agree
with
you
wholeheartedly:
Pat
oop,
you're,
muted,
Pat.
A
I
had
the
same
reaction
Joe
to
Tom
Hunter
is
he
would
bring
in
a
totally
different
perspective
than
a
lot
of
us
having
been
in
a
position
to
donate
money
and
to
be
in
a
a
maybe
in
a
sphere
where
people
spend
a
lot
more
money,
contributing
to
things
and
I,
don't
know
if
that
would
be
better
for
a
non-profit,
but
he
would
being
maybe
a
business
owner's
perspective,
which
we've
got
butted
up
against
a
few
times
while
trying
to
get
re-striped
streets
and
things
like
that,
and
it
just
seemed
like
a
very
different
background
from
a
lot
of
the
rest
of
us.
A
I
feel
like
I
I've,
had
experience
with
working
with
Dot
and
grant
money
the
sort
of
the
way
Jessica
does
from
a
up
staff
member
perspective
and
the
length
of
time
it
takes
to
get
anything
done
in
the
government
process.
It
could
be
an
education
for
this
guy
as
well
to
see
the
government
process
and
how
it
takes
time,
but
it
to
me
it
sounds
like
a
very
different
perspective.
That's
it.
B
Thanks
Pat
bill.
G
Yeah
I'm
inclined
to
go
with
the
youth
here.
Just
I
mean
they're
all
qualified.
You
know
so
I
agree
with
everybody
saying
those
things
but
I,
just
if
somebody's
on
the
plate.
That's
you
know
a
generation
younger
than
me.
That
means
a
lot
I
think.
There's
things
that
come
to
that
come
into
the
conversations
that
I
would
never
think
about
and
I'm,
probably
not
speaking
for
everybody
on
the
group,
because
I
probably
always
got
here
but
I
think
it's
nice
to
have
people
in
my
children's
age
representing
the
public.
G
B
Kenny
and
some
comment
ready.
C
Yeah
I
appreciate
team
three
and
that's
great
and
I
wish
you
a
better
qualified
I,
don't
feel
like
she's.
You
know,
I
think
that
she's
the
least
qualified
in
terms
of
people's
respectively,
great
I,
wish
we
had
somebody
with
more
that's
a
I,
don't
know
someone
who
had
never
experienced
at
30.,
but
I
do
appreciate
this
younger
and
the
great
I
think
they're
great
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
she's
the
best
person.
B
Understood
any
other
comments
or
questions
Joe.
H
B
Thank
you,
Bill.
Well,.
A
Times
coming
up,
do
we
have
a
need
in
the
neighborhood
advisory
that
she
might
be
better
place?
That's
all
I'm,
not
thinking.
B
B
Is
for
this
position
with
our
group
if
they're
I
believe
there's
a
ways
of
applying
through
that
those
channels
for
this
group
as
well,
but
I,
think
we're
considering
this
application
process.
Randy.
C
Actually,
in
her
letter
C,
he
writes
it
out
to
this
group
and
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee
and
then
as
a
third
possibility,
to
ask
the
welcome
air
quality
board.
So
he
he
did
apply
naming
multimodal
as
one
of
the
groups,
but
also
as
you
mentioned,
they
were
advising
maybe,
as
a
group
she's
applying
to.
B
Gotcha
yeah
I
believe
the
way
that
the
messages
from
the
city
have
been
going
out
about
vacancies
they've
been
encouraging
that
you
know
multiple
requests,
so
we
can
be
kind
of
you
know
utilize,
those
folks,
that's
the
sense
that
I
when
I
read
through
those
messages
that
come
out.
That's
the
sense
that
I
got
of
what
made
me
think
when
I
was
reading
her
her
information
that
she
submitted
Elizabeth.
B
All
right,
Joseph,
hi.
J
I'm
really
intrigued
by
the
conversation
I
I've
read
through
the
applications,
I
I
was
tempted
to
support
Bill's
motion
for
Elise,
but
I
think
the
neighborhood
advisory
commission
role
is
is
something
that
she
should
retain
and
I
I
liked
Joe's
comments
and
the
application
by
Shelley
to
and
would
would
rather
see
her
as
a
more
of
a
diversity.
J
Member
of
the
commission,
so
I
would
I
would
vote
against
Elise
at
this
time.
B
B
I
B
Yeah
and
it
does,
it
does
kind
of
change.
My
opinion
a
little
bit
the
fact
that
she
was
appointed
last
night
to
a
different
commission,
a
committee.
So
if
there
is,
if
you
would
Joseph
you'd,
be
interested
in
making
emotional
substitution
to
recommend
someone
else,
I
think
that
might
work
logistically.
J
J
Yeah
I
think
that
would
probably
be
most
appropriate.
I
would
move
that
in
lieu
of
Elise
martyr
that
we
selects
Shelley
mckechny
as
a
as
a
member
of
the
commission.
B
Thank
you,
Joseph
can
I
get
a
second.
C
G
G
B
G
B
So
the
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
for
for
at
least
modern
we're
gonna.
Any
other
comments,
questions
we're
gonna,
do
a
vote.
Randy.
F
Orton
I
just
have
one
sorry,
I
have
one
question:
yes,
there
isn't
anything
that
would
preclude
someone
sitting
on
a
different
committee.
Like
a
neighborhood
committee
commissioned
from
additionally
serving
here.
I
know.
We
have
a
formal
representative
from
the
neighborhood
commission
to
this
group,
but
there's
there's
nothing
for
someone
who's
available
and
committed
to
serving
two
committees
that
would
prohibit
or
inhibit.
That
is
that
correct.
G
M
My
understanding
is
that
an
individual
can
be
a
member
of
two
can
be
actively
a
member
of
two
different
city-sponsored
board
committee
commissions,
whatever
so
technically,
yes,
she
if
she
were
appointed
to
Knack,
she
could
serve
on
that
and
she
could
serve
on
multimodal
Transportation
Commission.
M
Of
course,
now
that
and
I
was
unaware
that
she
had
gotten
appointed
to
another
commission.
We
I
would
want
to
check
with
her
to
see
if
she
wants
to
do
two.
If
you
guys
moved
her
forward,
I
I
have
one
suggestion:
if
we
could,
you
could
select
or
rank
one
two
like
a
first
and
a
second
or
something,
and
if,
if
Elise
is
one
of
those
and
she
declines
wanting
to
move
forward
with
multimodal,
then
we
can
put
forward
the
other
person
to
counsel
and
I.
M
Think
technically,
since
Bill
had
a
motion
either
has
to
rescind
it
or
it
has
to
be
voted
on
and
then
move
on
to
another
motion.
If
his
motion
fails
technically.
M
Okay,
so
Bill
withdrew
his
motion,
and
so
we
have
a
motion
from
Joseph
I
believe
I.
B
Think
Joseph
has
removed
his
as
well.
E
Yeah
I
am
wondering,
if
maybe
we
could
table
this
until
we
can
maybe
make
just
a
I.
O
E
Having
five
such
good
candidates
has
made
this
discussion
a
little
bit
clunky,
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
step
back
find
a
way
to
for
each
person
to
rank
them
a
very
simple
way,
and-
and
maybe
do
you
know
a
one
and
two
preference
and
sort
of
what
Jessica
was
suggesting
and
then
see
what
surfaces
to
the
top
yeah
I'm.
E
Having
trouble
myself
juggling
all
the
things
I,
don't
I
was
compelled
to
think
that
yeah
serving
on
two
commissions
sounds
like
too
much,
but
then
probably
most
of
us
also
serve
on
other
boards
and
other
things
like
that.
So
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
with
all
the
variables
but
I
would
be
willing
to
to
vote
I.
Think
I
I
would
be
happy
to
do
that
as
well,
but
thought
some
stepping
back
might
be
useful
thanks.
Jack.
K
Yeah
I
would
say
too,
as
someone
who,
when
I
got
on
the
neighborhood
advisory
Council
and
was
appointed
to
this
as
the
liaison
I
had
not
ever
been
well.
I
had
applied
for
other
things
and
not,
and
one
of
the
frustrating
points
for
me
living
in
Asheville
is:
there
are
some
people
on
six
seven,
eight,
nine
ten
committees
and
others
not
getting
appointed
at
all,
and
so,
if
we
know
somebody's
already
on
one
I
think
just
that
breadth
of
people
being
involved
across
the
city.
K
B
B
D
Yeah
I
100
agree,
I
mean
when
we
talk
about
diversity,
I
think
it's
nice
to
have
people
who
aren't
already
on
committees
and
I
I.
Do
wonder
that
Elise
might
be
strained
sitting
on
multiple
committees
and
I
wouldn't
really
want
to
push
her
in
a
certain
direction
if
she
hasn't
agreed
to
do
that
so
yeah
yeah,
but
I
also
support
the
idea
of
some
kind
of
voting
mechanism.
So
we
don't
have
to
you
just
you
know,
push
somebody
forward
and
make
a
motion.
D
We
could
make
it
a
little
bit
more
scientific
and
you
know
assign
points
for
certain
things.
You
know
whether
it's
you
know,
however,
we
decide
to
do
that,
but
I
think
that
might
be
a
simpler
way
to
do
it.
In
the
future
say
we
have
five
applicants
a
week
in
each
assigned
points
and
whoever
gets
the
most
points
gets
moved
forward.
That
seems
like
a
more
straightforward
way
to
do
that.
B
Thanks
Kevin
Leanna.
F
Just
thinking
about
equity
and
and
thinking
about
how
like
a
point-based
system,
probably
preferences
people
with
power
and
experience,
and
sometimes
we
can
learn
a
lot
from
people
who
might
have
different
lived
experiences
and
different,
valuable
criteria
that
they
bring
so
I
think
something
that
takes
that
into
account.
If
we're
really
moving
in
a
direction
of
some
sort
of
like
ranking
of
candidates,
which
I
would
honestly
prefer
not
to
do,
would
be
an
important
consideration,
because
I
I
think
sometimes
saying
you
know
we're
we're
valuing
professional
experience,
say.
M
B
Thanks
Lana
Kenny.
B
Yeah-
and
maybe
you
know
for
the
kind
of
ease
of
this
process,
you
know
it
does
I
feel
like
we're
getting
we're
kind
of
hashing
out
our
the
process
by
which
we
nominate
folks
to
the
city,
council
and
so
I
think
these
are
that's
a
good
discussion
to
have
separate
of
that
I'd
like
to
see,
if
possible.
If
we
can
make
push
somebody
to
the
Forefront
I
have
to
say
that
with
elise's
appointment
it
does
says
that
changes
my
thoughts
about
it
because
I
know
coming
on
to
a
new
group.
B
All
of
a
sudden,
you
have
this
new
work,
you're
kind
of
getting
into
a
new
Rhythm,
so
I
think
introducing
two
of
those
at
the
same
time
might
be
a
little
bit
challenging
for
anyone.
So
I
like
the
idea
of
maybe
even
doing
two,
we
can
kind
of
check
in
and
see,
or
we
make
a
recommendation
today
if
possible,
but
if
not,
we
can
kind
of
take
a
step
back
and
kind
of
go
through
the
process,
but
I'd
like
to
see.
B
F
We
can
rearrange
this,
so
we
can
modify
the
The
Proposal,
but
with
the
order
being
check
with
a
lease
around
her
capacity
and
continued
interest,
which
may
have
changed
since
last
night.
Second,
Shelley
third
I,
don't
know
Abigail's.
Fourth
Lance
fifth
Palm
such
that,
depending
on
timing
availability,
how
long
their
applications
have
been
sitting
shallow
other
things
that
might
have
come
up
in
life.
We
have
a
beans
through
which
we
can
move
to
bring
someone
else
on.
B
F
B
Wheel
motion
can
I
get
a
second
on
that
motion.
B
Like
Kenny
comments,
Randy
yeah.
C
I
think
without
having
some
sort
of
system
to
be
able
to
rank
in
that
it's
hard
to
rank
them
just
in
that
way,
because
after
you've
had,
we
have
a
hard
time,
picking
the
first
person,
let
alone
the
second
third.
Fourth
fifth
person,
so
you
know
I,
don't
think
we
should
have
a
state
like
that.
C
It's
just
it's
too
complicated,
because
again
we
can't
better
than
the
number
one
person
helping
us
number
three
person
says
instead
doesn't
seem
like
a
good
thing
and
we
shouldn't
just
as
well
as
the
third
person
now
who's
got
to
pick
them
anyway,
because
that's
not
a
good
way
to
go
about
things
because
they
make
it
out
of
that
third
person.
So
I
don't
think
we
should
vote
on
a
ring
system
right
now
without
having
a
way
to
do
that
for
each
person.
C
And
then
it
wouldn't
be
one
thing
so
I
think
we
should
either
say
one
person.
We
recommend
now
to
city
council
for
this
position
or
establish
a
system
in
which
we're
going
to
rank
people,
and
then
everybody
fills
out
metrics
whatever
it
is
to
get
that
ranking
system.
And
then
we
see
what
it
comes
out
on
top
and
then
we
say
here's
what
happened
from
this
process.
C
B
C
B
C
B
J
Who
wrote
may
I
think
Randy's
got
a
good
good
point.
B
Okay
and
I'm
gonna
vote
I
as
well.
The
motion
carries
I,
do
appreciate
the
point.
Randy
I
agree
with
you
and
I
think
what
kind
of
talk
about
you
know?
Maybe
we
can
have
some
of
the
systems
in
place
for
when
we
get
this
in
the
future.
I
know
this
is
kind
of
the
first
time
we're
going
to
run
it
through
this
way
with
multiple
candidates.
Randy,
do
you
have
a
comment?
Yeah.
C
B
Yeah
I
believe
the
motion
was
to
put
forward
all
five
candidates
in
a
in
order
in
an
in
an
order
to
for
a
consular
consideration.
Elise
Shelley,
Lance,
Abigail
and
Tom
I
believe
was
the
order.
B
M
So
I
think
what
what
staff
will
do
is
we
will
touch
base
with
all
five
of
those
candidates
and
just
ask
if
they
are
still
interested
I
think
the
oldest
application
we
have
is
from
August,
so
that
one
is
pretty
old,
but
the
rest
of
them
are
from
January.
So
that's
pretty
recent,
but
we'll
touch
base
with
all
five
ask
them
if
they're
still
interested
and
then,
if
anybody
happens
to
drop
out
of
that
list,
then
we'll
just
forward
the
the
remaining
candidates
in
that
order.
As
recommendation
to
the
council.
B
G
Yeah,
just
Randy,
you
had
a
good
idea.
We
need
to
decide
how
to
do
this.
Can
we
figure
out
a
task
force
or
something
we
don't
have
to
all?
Do
it,
but
I've
proposed
Dennis
is
one
or
a
few
people
organize
a
way
in
which
we
can
do
this
and
not
and
and
have
a
process,
as
opposed
to
just
and
ad
hoc
selection
method.
F
For
a
method
where
we
could
better
assess
our
own
skills
collectively
in
terms
of
what
knowledge,
skills
and
lived
experience,
we
all
bring
to
the
table
and
where
we,
where
gaps
might
exist,
that
would
help
us
be
more
thoughtful
in
the
future.
F
B
Okay,
what
it
was
like
to
raise
your
hand
and
join
lyanna
in
this
process.
B
B
B
Yeah,
it's
I
think
it's
a
it's
one
of
those
challenging
processes
within
the
city.
You
know
they
have
a
lot.
There
are
a
lot
of
processes
that
are
going
through
there
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
them
that,
in
the
municipality
I've
lived
in
before
I
moved
to
Asheville.
It
was
the
exact
same
way
where
it
was
just
one
of
those
kind
of
for
whatever
reason
it
kind
of
you
know
falls
off
the
radar,
maybe
of
many
folks.
B
So
I
know
that
there's
some
effort
to
try
to
improve
that
process,
and
maybe
we
can
provide
some
shine,
some
light
on
it
and
give
a
give
a
good
process.
I
can't
say
just
you
know.
Finally,
it
always
takes
me
more
time
when
I,
when
I
go
through
this
I,
just
I
have
to
kind
of
lay
them
all
out
on
my
screen
and
I
read
and
I
go
back
and
I
go
back
and
I
go
back,
because
it
is
a
lot
of
information
and
I.
B
M
I
was
just
going
to
say
it
like:
we've
had
some
openings
recently
because
of
people
moving
and
and
and
Maggie
becoming
a
council
person,
but
usually
this
I
mean
this
has
been
a
pretty
steady
membership
for
as
for
as
long
as
I've
been
here.
So
there's
not.
H
M
Vacancies,
which
is
not
part
of
why
it
might
take
somebody
a
really
long
time
and
I
will
mention
that
we
are
discussing
the
city
is
discussing
and
I
think
the
boards
and
commissions
committee
is
talking
about
trying
to
improve
the
process
so
that
it
aligns
better
with
Council
meetings,
and
so
it
will
be
like
a
quarterly
process
where
they'll
solicit
applications
for
amounts
still
give
get
the
applications
to
the
boards
committees
and
commissions
to
get
their
recommendations
the
next
month
and
then
the
third
month.
M
It
goes
to
council
for
approval,
and
then
the
cycle
begins
again.
So
sounds
like
more
more
complicated,
but
it
actually
I
think
will
be
easier
for
staff
and
for
everybody
else
involved.
E
Yeah,
just
real
quick
I
just
wanted
to
put
in
my
two
cents
and
thank
you
Leanna
for
taking
the
lead
on
doing
this
I
think
I
think
what
would
streamline
the
process
is
if
we
each
had
a
ways,
we're
sort
of
proposing
to
be
able
to
know
what's
important
in
these
candidates
to
help
us
individually
rank
them.
So
when
we
come
to
the
meeting
we
can
provide,
you
know
a
thoughtful.
E
You
know
top
candidate
and
I
think
that
would
make
the
Streamline
the
discussion
a
little
bit
and
I
think
a
thoughtful
way
to
do
it
to
make
sure
we're
being
inclusive
as
Leanna's
suggesting
is
really
important.
So
I
just
want
to
put
those
just
add
to
that.
B
Thanks
Jack,
okay,
the
next
item:
the
timely
item
is
an
appointment
of
a
new
chair
and
vice
chair
to
the
mmtc.
So
this
is
something
that
we
talk
about
every
year
there
has
been
discussion
that
we
were
talking
about
that
rotating
these
positions
of
chair
and
vice
chair
gives
us
all
and
I
apologize
for
the
lack
of
video
but
I
think
I'll
go
away
again.
My
internet's
not
great,
but
the
rotating
this
chairs
could
kind
of
change
the
tenor
of
this
meeting
a
little
bit.
B
You
know
having
a
little
bit.
You
know
different
forms
of
our
discussions
just
by
how
reflective
that
is
of
the
person,
who's
leading
the
meeting
and
also
to
give
everyone
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
you
know,
participate
in
a
new
and
exciting
different
way.
B
B
B
M
I'll
just
say
that
the
only
added
extra
time
that
it
involves
seeing
the
chair
in
the
vice
chair,
I,
think
is,
is
there's
a
pre-meeting
a
couple
weeks
before
your
actual
your
meeting,
you'll
meet
with
me
and
or
my
staff
and
go
over
the
agenda
staff
is
the
is
the
one
that
creates.
N
M
Or
add
things
or
subtract
things,
so
it's
it's
an
extra
hour
essentially
of
time,
occasionally
we'll
skip
the
meeting
if
it's
first
gets
that
pre-needing.
So
it's
not
a
huge
extra
Commitment.
If
that
helps
anybody.
H
B
Thanks
Joe
all
right
well
I
mean
there's
this.
N
B
A
closed
issue
there's
always
opportunities
to
have
conversations
any
time
of
day
any
day
of
the
week
any
day
of
the
month,
so
just
reach
out,
and
let
me
know
if
you
are
interested
in
doing
so.
M
So
I'm
this
is
something
that
Joe
brought
up
via
email
to
myself
and
Dennis
and
Randy
conversation
about
his
pending
rolling
off
of
our
commission
and
as
the
liaison
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning.
So
one
of
the
things
that
Joe
brought
up
was
the
possibility,
since
Planning
and
Zoning
is
a
city
county
or
it
has
County
members
on
it,
the
concept
of
whether
it
would
be
appropriate
to
have
a
have
the
liaison
to
the
multimodal
potentially
be
a
County
resident
that
sits
on
the
PMZ
Joe.
Did
you
have?
M
This
is
not
an
action
item,
that's
just
sort
of
a
discussion
topic,
but
we
I
have
not
yet
even
inquired
to
see
that
if
that
is
okay
under
ordinance,
but
it's
a
non-voting
position,
so
I'm
not
sure
the
ordinance
Pro,
it
probably
doesn't
even
speak
to
it
directly
foreign.
H
Thanks
Jessica,
so
I've
had
discussions
with,
will
and
also
Janice.
Thank
you,
PNC
City
attorney
and
also
in
an
email
conversation
with
Nate
Pennington
is
the
county
ID
director,
no
one
so.
H
Yeah
sorry
I'm
outside
it
might
be
a
little
windy.
None
of
those
people
has
expressed
any
major
reservations
about
a
county
one
of
the
pnb
County
Employees,
serving
as
we
developed,
because
it's.
H
Position
it,
it
seems
like
it's
okay
with
it
and
is
there
anything
in
either
the
charter
of
emotions
or
some
State
ordinance
that
says
that
it
would
be
a
problem
or
if
the
Buncombe
County
Commissioners,
think
it
would
be
a
problem.
You
know
that
was
made
in
the
company.
The
Pennington's
comment
with
the
County
Commissioners,
not
think
you
know
look
at
that
positively,
so
yeah
so
far
there
has
been
no
pushback
on
it
to
the
people.
I've
spoken
with
I
will
say:
we
have
started
planning
and
sewing
has
put
forward.
H
One
of
the
county
or
one
of
the
county
Representatives
on
the
Clayton
and
70
is
going
to
be
the
representative
for
a
working
group
around
the
missing
middle
housing
study
and-
and
there
were
no
issues
with
that
as
well
so
I
I've
heard
so
far.
There
doesn't
seem
to
be
up
legal
problem,
so
it
really
is
wood.
Multimodal
will
be
okay
with
that
is
Planning
and
Zoning
commission,
okay
with
it
and
the
reason
it
started
up
is
there
are
two.
H
The
two
County
appointees
that
we
have
right
now
on
PMZ
are
both
interested
around
the
Long
Shoals
Road
area.
So
it
could
also
be
a
great
way
to
to
help
with
some
of
those
conversations
that
have
happened
about
a
city,
county-wide
planning
agency
and
those
kinds
of
things
so
I
think
it.
It
could
be
beneficial.
H
B
Thanks
Joe
Joseph,
do
you
have
a
comment.
J
Just
a
point
of
order,
notwithstanding
this,
this
current
discussion,
I
thought
weren't
we
supposed
to
to
vote
on
the
chair
and
vice
chair
or
did
I
miss
something
it
shows
as
an
action
item.
M
Nobody,
nobody
nominated.
There
are
no
nominations
now.
J
B
B
L
Yeah
I
was
just
kind
of
curious
about
the.
Why,
behind
the
idea
of
having
a
county,
rep,
VR,
pnz
liaison-
and
you
touched
on
it
briefly
towards
Enzo
but
just
curious,
if
is
it,
is
it
mostly
like
the
people
who
are
willing,
our
County
appointees,
or
what's
more
of
the?
Why,
behind
that.
H
There
there
is
a
little
bit
of
that.
It's
also
just
wondering
too,
if
that
doesn't
just
open
up
the
chance
for
someone
who
is
more
interested
to
be
able
to
participate,
in
other
words,
if
one
of
the
county
appointees
and
current
in
the
future.
At
any
point
in
time
is
you
know
a
super
huge,
multimodal
Advocate,
but
they're
restricted
from
being
deleted.
Songs,
hopefully
because
they're
a
county
appointee
seems
you
know
disingenuous
in
some
ways,
so
yeah.
L
L
That,
like
as
we,
it
is
looking
likely
that
or
my
understanding
is
that
staff
from
both
the
city
and
the
county
are
trying
to
include
funding
for
a
proposal
a
lot
about
looking
at
kind
of
what
a
joint
Transit
Agency
could
look
like,
and
so,
if
those
budget
proposals
come
through
and
if
those
budgets
are
approved,
two
big
ifs
next
year
could
be
a
really
important
time
for
our
two
organizations
to
be
looking
for
the
synergies
and
looking
for
places
where
Transit
can
be
improved.
L
Huge
ifs
still
a
long
way
to
go
so
I
appreciate
and
am
excited
by
the
sentiment
of
having
collaboration
as
we
think
towards
stuff.
Like
this,
my
only
reservation
is:
it
feels
like
maybe
a
little
baby
shoehorned
in
of
like.
If
we
really
want
collaborative
input,
maybe
it
should
be
around
multimodal
membership,
not
necessarily
pnz,
but
I'm,
also
not
trying
to
like
start
a
whole
work
stream
for
everybody.
L
So
I,
just
you
know,
I'm
a
liaison
I,
don't
have
a
vote
on
this
I
just
wanted
to
share
some
of
the
things
that
are
going
through
my
mind
that
I
I
do
like
these
Spirit
of
collaboration,
and
perhaps
that
means,
as
any
feasibility
study
could
come
about
next
year.
Maybe
there
is
a
steering
committee
or
a
task
force
of
people
that
are
involved
so
I,
don't
I
don't
have
like
a
strict
opinion.
I
just
wanted
to
share
some
of
the
thoughts
flowing
around
as
I.
Listen
thanks
for
listening.
B
Thanks
Maggie
I
I
agree
with
you
and
I
I
think
there
is
an
opportunity
there,
but
notwithstanding
kind
of
that,
maybe
the
transit
solution.
What
matters
to
me
is
that
we
have
someone
in
PNC
that
really
is
bringing
to
us
that
information
that
that
applies
to
us.
So
much
goes
through.
That
group
I
think
it's
you
know
we're,
it
would
be,
it
could
be
overwhelming.
B
There's
there
is
so
much
information
that
happens
in
PSE,
so
the
the
way
that
Joe
has
done
a
good
job
of
balancing
that
and
making
sure
that
we're
up
to
date
on
the
things
that
are
touching,
that
group
that
matter
to
us,
so
that
we
can
kind
of
get
involved
or
make
sure
we're
not
blind
side
of
anything,
that's
really
the
goal
and
that
the
the
person's
you
know
residency
I
think
is
less
important
to
me
than
their
ability
or
willingness
to
fare
it
through
all
of
that
information
and
bring
us,
you
know
kind
of
what
it
would
make
sense
to
dovetail
into
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
on
our
side
as
well.
B
B
Gotcha
Randy.
C
Yeah
I
appreciate
Joe
wanted
to
be
outside
today.
It's
a
really
nice
day,
but
Joe
has
done
such
a
fantastic
job
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
the
whole
I
think
he's
been
on
the
whole
time.
I've
been
on
the
the
mission
so
in
in
that,
so
that
role
has
been
fulfilled
so
well
by
a
hugeot
that,
for
me
it's
like
Dennis
is
the
same.
C
The
information
we're
getting
from
you
on
a
monthly
basis
has
been
so
valuable
that
I
want
that
to
continue
whether
it's
you
for
too
much
longer
or
the
person
that
replaces
you
and
again,
because
it's
not
it's
more
again.
The
transfer
that's
making
between
two
groups
rather
than
representing
a
group
from
Asheville.
So
if
you're
representing
a
group,
that's
really
from
Nashville
and
you
didn't
live
in
Nashville
that'd
be
an
issue.
So
since
you're
representing
a
group
to
this
group,
it
seems
like
the
residency
is
not
it's
not
as
much
of
an
issue.
B
Okay,
any
other
comments
or
questions.
D
I
just
hopefully
support
that
I
I,
don't
think
it
matters
if
you're
living
in
Leicester
or
Inca
as
long
as
you're
interested
and
can
present
the
information
well
and
and
note
that
Joe's
term
ends
in
September.
So
we've
got
a
little
while
to
to
figure
this
out,
but
I
I
I
move
that
we
require
Joe
Archibald
to
attend
every
meeting
in
perpetuity.
B
H
H
Until
August
I
won't
be
able
to
be
indents
for
the
August
meeting.
H
M
H
B
Joe
I
think
your
connection's
really
fading
out
on
us,
but
it
sounds
like
maybe
through
August,
with
the
timing,
wise,
we'll
get
all
that
work
out.
B
Okay
without
further
discussion,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
the
2022
commission
and
committee
annual
reports.
This
is
something
a
new
process
that
we're
doing
this
year.
B
So
one
of
the
benefits
of
being
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
of
this
group
is
you
have
the
opportunity
to
create
a
document
that
you
submit
to
our
Council
just
kind
of
to
give
them
an
idea
of
what
we've
tried
to
accomplish
and
have
accomplished
and
have
done
over
the
last
12
months,
and
the
same
goes
for
the
the
three
groups
or
the
two
groups
of
two
before
groups
that
are
within
us.
So
all
that
information
comes
together
and
then
we
would
submit
it
to
the
council
this
year.
B
The
council
has
asked
that
we
run
it
through
the
group,
so
everyone
can
take
a
chance
to
look
at
it
but
ingest
it
make
some
comments
and
I'm
certainly
open
to
any
comments
or
revisions,
or
you
know
critiques.
Anyone
might
have
to
make
this
document
better
and
more
clear
about
our
accomplishments
and
our
processes
and
our
desires
to
the
council
going
forward.
So
with
that
I
know
that
you
all
have
time
to
kind
of
look
at
that.
B
Is
there
any
kind
of
comments
or
anything
else
that
you
feel
like
we
should
talk
about
about
within
the
within
the
reports.
C
B
B
But
without
comment
Jessica,
what
what's
our
our
step
here?
Do
we
do?
We
need
a
oh.
We
do
have
a
motion.
So
if
there's
no
comments
about
the
documents
we
can
I
can
take
a
motion
to
approve
to
submit
the
2022
annual
reports
to
the
city
council,
Randy.
B
B
Pat
a
second
and
can
I
get
some
any
comments
or
questions
about
the
reports.
B
A
B
And
I
as
well,
the
motion
carries
thanks.
Everyone:
okay,
the
next
item-
sorry
I'm
breaking
up
here.
A
little
bit
is
the
proposed
speed,
limit
changes,
Jessica.
M
Hi
there
I'm
going
to
pass
it
over
to
Chris
Cairns
our
traffic
City
traffic
engineer
and
he's
going
to
present
this
item
to
you
guys.
I
Thank
you,
Dennis.
Thank
you.
Jessica
hello,
everyone,
I'm,
Chris,
Cairns,
the
city
traffic
engineer
and
it
looks
like
I
can
share
my
screen.
So
I'm
gonna
put
up
a
map
with
four
five
proposed
speed
limit
changes.
One
of
them
is
a
pair
one.
Second,
I'll
start
with
a
well
first
I'll
give
you
the
overall
view:
Biltmore
Avenue,
it's
a
segment
on
the
ncdot
road
and
then
in
the
Lee
Garden
Heights.
We
got
two
streets
changing
there
in
West
Asheville
we've
got
Pruitt
Street
and
David
Heber
View
Road.
So
that's
just
an
overview.
I
The
limits
Fillmore
Avenues
down
by
at
Orangefield
from
Hilliard
Avenue
to
Aspen
Street
it
to
me
that's
been
kind
of
I
think
an
oversight
that
it's
35
miles
per
hour.
It's
been
there
for
a
very
long
time
so
that,
with
all
the
pedestrian
activity
there
we
requested
the
reduction
and
ncbot
agreed
I'll,
get
to
the
numbers
in
a
second
Green
Garden
Lane
and
Jeep
John
Walker.
Those
are
part
of
the
new
newly
built
housing,
Deborah
View
Road.
I
I
So
that
is
basically
here
are
the
numbers
and
I'll
have
I,
have
other
maps
with
this,
but
Biltmore
is
a
35
today
and
will
be
20
miles
per
hour,
pending
Council
approval
and
Lee
Garden
Lane
John
Walker,
actually
all
before
within
the
city.
None
of
them
has
a
speed
limit
in
ordinance,
so
by
default
by
North,
Carolina
General
statutes
at
35
miles
per
hour,
which
really
is
not
appropriate
for
any
of
these.
So
what
we've
looked
at?
I
We
look
at
the
nature
of
the
context
and
we've
measured
speeds
on
all
of
these
streets
and
established
20
miles
per
hour
on
the
really
the
smaller
more
core
residential
feverview
has
a
totally
different
nature
to
it,
and
ultimately,
a
lower
speed
limit
may
be
appropriate,
but
stepping
down
from
the
current
I
think
30
mile
per
hour
is
my
recommendation.
I
So,
just
to
smaller
Maps,
here
Biltmore
and
there's
the
the
new
streets,
newly
rebuilt
streets,
we
were
requested
to
put
in
speed
limit
signs
and
we
said
well,
let's,
let's
get
some
that
are
not
35,
so
that
that
is
why
and
hear
our
previous
reading
d
review.
So,
if
anybody
has
any
questions,
I'd
be
glad
to
answer
and
I
see.
Randy
has
his
hand
up.
C
The
price
rise
right,
so
thanks
Chris
again
so
much
for
working
on
this
and
bringing
this
to
this
group,
because
these
are
so
important
for
multimodal
translation.
First
of
all,
the
Biltmore
one,
that's
great.
C
Hopefully
we
can
continue
because
every
little
piece
counts
so
I
think
you
guys
mostly
want
to
have
it
slower
further
down,
especially
the
streets
outside
and
buy
things
resolved
and
all
sorts
of
things
there
and
actually
have
bike
facilities
all
the
way
to
John
Walker
Avenue,
which
is
you
know,
a
really
important,
connector
to
a
community
that
doesn't
have
access
to
single-use
Vehicles
a
lot
of
times.
The
needs
to
have
best
gas
station
access
to
certainly
the
downtown
area,
as
well
as
other
areas
of
city
and
so
multimodal
transportation.
C
For
that
Community
is
super
important
and
this
the
billboard
one
is
the
step
of
the
night.
So
appreciate
that
so
much
I'm
wondering
about
Lee
Garden
Lane
is
20
the
lowest.
We
can
go
there.
So
I
can
understand.
John,
Walker,
Avenue
assessment
entrance
and
exit
Road
and
for
20
miles
an
hour
might
make
sense
there.
C
But
to
me
it
seems
like
Lee
Walker
Lane
should
be
lower
than
than
20,
because
it's
really
pedestrian
facility
as
much
as
it
is
a
car
facility,
and
so,
as
you
know
like
in
a
lot
of
places
in
Europe
they'll
have
you
know,
walking,
pace
or
piece
of
traffic,
so
it'll
be
like
home
zones.
They
have
in
Germany
and
stuff
like
that.
It
would
be
more
appropriate
to
be
like
10
miles
an
hour,
and
you
know
again
that
might
be
pretty
hard
for
us
to
go.
C
If
there's
a
lot
to
say,
we
can't
go
any
lower
than
20
miles
an
hour
on
that
street,
because
it's
really
that
right
up
against
the
residences
where
people
are
walking
directly
from
the
residences
out
in
the
street
and
people
are
walking
the
dogs
playing
on
the
streets.
Those
are
really
public.
Space
is
more
than
they
are
streets
and
I.
Think
in
the
way
the
community
views
those,
and
so
it
seems
like
20
miles
per
hour,
might
be
too
fast
for
that
area.
I
I
understood,
Randy
and
I
think
there
are
sidewalks
throughout,
but
typically
our
residential
speed
limits
are
25
and
then
20
on
the
lower
end.
So
I
mean
that
that
to
me
was
it
was
one
of
my
friends
of
reference
is
what
we've
done.
Citywide.
F
C
Appreciate
that
but
I
I
think
we
did
make
the
Bold
stuff
here
to
make
our
city
see
if
there's
even
a
20
mile
per
hour,
so
a
deal
hitting
somebody
at
20
miles
an
hour.
The
incident
of
severe
injury
is
much
much
higher
than
it
is
at
10
or
15
miles
an
hour
even
so,
as
we
get
each
Five
Mile
increment,
you
know,
and
this
you
know
to
our
sidewalks
there.
C
I'll
bet,
if
you
go
through
that
community
at
any
day
of
the
week,
you're
going
to
see
people
not
just
using
the
sidewalks
for
pedestrian,
the
bicycle,
skateboard
or
basketball
and
everything
else,
access
too
so
I
mean
there
are
sidewalks,
that's
true,
but
the
nature
of
that
community
and
many
other
communities
around
the
city,
but
this
one
being
a
new
community,
yet
not
being
able
to
establish
a
priority
for
pedestrians
and
for
not
a
priority
for
cars
seems
like
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
make
a
bold
step
and
not
to
say
well,
we've
done
all
this
in
the
past.
C
C
It
should
be
much
lower
than
that
because,
again,
we
don't
have
time
walks
in
our
neighborhood
and
people
walk
dogs
all
the
time
people
walk
when
they
run
there's
constantly
pedestrians
in
the
streets
and
25
is
just
too
fast
for
that
street
and
so
I
think
we
should
set
a
precedent
for
what
we
want
to
do
forward,
not
looking
backwards,
seeing
what
will
be
done
in
the
past.
But
what
do
we
want?
E
Yeah
Christopher:
can
you
clarify
a
bit
on
deaverview
road?
Can
you
tell
me
what
the
current
speed
limit
is
and
then
I
wasn't
clear
on
you
mentioned
incrementally
moving
it
down
to
30,
but
not
below
30
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
I
didn't
understand
that.
Can
you
explain
that
a
little
bit
further
for
clarification.
I
Absolutely
absolutely
so,
I'll
start
with
what
the
speed
limit
is
today.
Actually
there
are
no
speed
limit
signs
on
the
on
the
street
if
they
were.
If
there
were
speed
limit
signs,
it
would
be
35
because
that
is
by
default.
What
the
the
by
Statute
that's,
what
the
speed
limit
is
now,
as
you
get
farther
west
and
get
into
the
county,
it
is
a
it
does,
have
an
established
speed
limit,
but
that's
west
of
physical
view.
I
So
as
far
as
incremental,
and
so
we
look
at
multiple
things,
I
mean
the
context
of
the
road
is
super
important
and
the
measured
speeds
is
another
aspect
and
number
of
driver
ways
the
nature
of
the
businesses
and
things
like
that,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
Nationwide.
We
are
trying
to
get
away
from
85th
percentile
speeds,
but
it's
an
indicator
that
if
you
put
something
way
too
far
away
from
the
85th
percentile
speeds,
you
will
not
get
compliance
and
that's
based
on
my
personal
experience
and
but
a
professional
experience.
I
So
that's
an
important
component
to
it,
and
there
are
other
things
that
we
can
look
at
in
the
future
and
I'm
I'm
also
well
they're,
just
hopefully
having
an
actual
speed
limit
and
then
us,
we
plan
to
take
out
the
driver
feedback
signs
once
since
speed
limit
signs
are
up
to
help
people
become
aware
of
the
30
mile
per
hour.
So
hopefully
that
starts
bringing
speeds
down
and
it's
something
that
can
be
reevaluated
as
more
housing
comes
in
and
other
things
happen
along
the
corridor.
E
I
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question
just
by
volume
of
the
things
that
we
do,
it's
hard
for
us
to
just
keep
track
of
every
streets
be
limited.
David
is
a
special
one
that
has
some
safety
issues
on
it,
so
it's
one
that
I
personally
will
keep
track
of,
but
it's
it's
hard
to
do
so.
We
do
rely
on
this
and
we
we
have
at
least
one
citizen
or
resident
along
this
road.
Who
will
she.
I
She's
been
active
on
the
street
for
actually
for
a
few
years,
so
I
I
expect
to
keep
the
conversation
going
with
her.
B
Hey
Chris
Dennis
here
what?
What
would
be
the
next
time
that
we
would
do
some
speed
monitoring
to
understand
if
we
are
have
affected
that
85
percentile
and
if
we
could
then
make
it
another
step.
I
B
Okay,
I
was
just
thinking
like
you
know.
It
seems
as
though
that
is
you
know
driving
a
lot
of
this.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
adhering
to
that
85
percentile
kind
of
on
understanding
and
if
we
in
a
year's
time
were
to
go
back
and
say:
okay
now
that
we're
at
you
know
31
or
30,
something
like
that.
We
can
then
make
an
adjustment
and
be
more
responsive
to
this
resident.
B
Who
really
clearly
has
you
know,
has
an
interest
in
in
making
that
road
a
little
bit
safer,
I
just
didn't
know
if
there's
something
we
could
do
proactively
now
that
would,
you
know
possibly
affect
that
process.
I
Again,
this
one
is
a
deeper
view,
is
a
special
one
and
it's
something
that
we're
looking
at
some
others
we're
looking
at
crash
patterns
along
the
street
to
see
if
there's
other
things
that
we
can
address.
But
your
point
is
taken.
I
will
mention.
There's
one
check
that
we
do
when
we
do
our
speed
limit
reviews.
It's
a
program
called
U.S
limits
too.
I
It's
a
safety-based
tool
from
Federal
Highway
Administration
that
takes
into
account
number
of
driveways
crash
history,
things
like
the
speeds
and
all
that
it
actually
recommended
a
35
mile
per
hour,
speed
limit
and
we
use
it
as
a
check.
We
don't
use
it
as
our
final
answer.
It's
one
that
I
disagreed
with,
so
we're
pushing
lower
than
past
practices.
I'll.
B
I
I
D
D
If
you
actually
drove
25
miles
per
hour
down
the
street,
you
I
mean
it's:
it's
like
almost
impossible
to
do
it
so
I
think
the
design
of
the
street
and
the
land
use
around
it
should
reflect
on
how
fast
we're
asking
people
to
drive
I.
You
know
I,
think
30
miles
per
hour
in
deep
review
kind
of
makes
sense,
but
for
cul-de-sac,
residential
neighborhood
20
miles
per
hour
is
still
a
little
bit
High.
D
B
C
I
might
notice,
because
I
think
that
I
think
we
need
to
go
lower
on
the
garden
plane.
I.
Don't
think
that
we
should
accept
it's
not
safe.
You
know,
I
think
we
should
accept
safety
and
I
still
appreciate
the
lowering
the
speed
limits
and
it's
great
and
we
should
definitely
doing
it,
but
we
shouldn't
say
this
is
because
we
can
get
right
now,
or
this
is
good
enough.
C
I
think
we
should
say
no
we
want
to
be
appropriate
and
appropriate
is
still
in
20
miles
per
hour
on
that
street,
and
so,
if
it
isn't
possible
to
do,
then
it's
not
possible
to
do.
But
we
shouldn't
say:
that's
not
what
we
want.
That's
what
we
need
for
a
safe
Community.
We
need
that
for
a
safe
community,
and
so
we
should
ask
for
it
whether
we
get
it
or
not.
So
I
I
think
that
currently
I
don't
know,
because
I
think
it
should
be
lower.
Regarding
late.
B
Okay,
thanks
Randy
Kenny.
D
Yeah
there's
a
huge
amount
of
difference
between
say,
d
review
and
Biltmore
Avenue
and
Pruitt
street.
So
if
possible,
can
we
go
through
and
make
a
motion
on
each
one.
B
Yeah
I
think
we
could
we
would
have
to.
We
have
a
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
so
we
can
go
through
that
vote
and
then
we
can.
If
that
is
not
successful,
we
can
go
back
and
make
another
motion
potentially
Leanna.
Do
you
have
a
comment.
A
F
I
also
just
want
to
point
out
that
you
know
policing
around
speeding
is
unequally
applied
and
I
am
cognizant
that
setting
up
rules
for
failure
and
I
know
how
I
drive,
sometimes
when
I'm
on
my
way,
home
and
I
just
want
to
get
home
and
I've
had
a
long
day
and
I
might
be
going
faster
than
I
should
I
might
be
going
faster
than
20
and
I
would
ask
each
of
us
to
think
if
sometimes
we
speed
so
I
I
also
just
want
to
call
in
that.
F
Consider
in
making
their
recommendations
they
are
bringing
their
their
highest
and
best
recommendation
to
us
and
I
really
value
and
appreciate
that
and
I
and
I
understand
the
nod
for
safety
and
I
understand
the
nod
for
the
constraints
of
a
given
Street
I
also
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
considerations
that
that
are
also
factored
into
the
recommendations
being
made
and
therefore
I'm
willing
to
support
a
complete
slate
and,
as
I've
put
forward.
The
motion.
B
Thanks
Leanna
any
other
comments
or
questions
all
right.
There
is
a
motion
in
a
second,
so
we're
going
to
have
a
vote.
The
vote
we'll
start
with
Randy
Warren
the
voting
name
Kenny.
B
B
Hi
Pat.
G
B
G
B
B
I
B
D
I
B
C
Which
is
real,
quick.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
and
Chris,
because
that's
why?
Well,
what
we
have
proposed
multimodal
has
sent
a
motion
to
council
to
lower
the
default
speed
limit
in
the
city
of
Asheville
to
25,
because
the
streets
that
don't
have
the
defaulty
limit,
it
is
35
which
is
ridiculous
and
so
I
know.
There's
a
state
statute
thing:
it's
not
supposed
to
be
below
that.
C
But
you
know
we
reveal
in
Black
Mountain
and
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
tippies
that
have
lowered
it
and
haven't
suffered
any
constant
negative
consequences
as
far
as
I
know
from
it.
And
yet
we,
our
city
council,
doesn't
bring
it
up.
They
they
say
that
they
are
afraid
to
or
I'm
not
sure
you
know
they
won't
let
them,
but
it's
crucial,
I
think
to
be
lower
default
50..
B
Thanks
Randy,
okay,
so
we're
gonna
move
to
the
I-26
Project
Riverside
Drive
update
Ken
welcome.
O
Good
afternoon
everybody
I've
got
an
update
for
you.
First
of
all,
I
assume
that
everyone
of
you
know
that
the
city
council
approved
all
of
the
Aesthetics
committee's
recommendations
for
sections
b
and
d
on
on
Valentine's
Day,
February
14th,
so
that
that
was
a
good
Valentine's
gift
for
the
Aesthetics
committee
and
all
of
us
so
Maggie.
We
appreciate
you
and
the
other
council
members
supporting
that
effort.
O
As
a
part
of
that
process,
Mark
hunt,
a
former
city
council
member,
had
reached
out
to
me
to
get
some
information
and
he
was
particularly
interested
in
Riverside
Drive
and
he
wanted
to
see
what
the
cross
section
was
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
and
I
will
show
you
what
the
recommended
cross
section
is
on
that.
If
you'll
bear
with
me
just
one
second,
so
does
everybody
see
it.
O
You're
welcome
you're.
Welcome,
so
I
can't
see
you
all,
but
I'll
try
to
talk
through
this.
So,
on
the
left
hand,
side
on
this
page
you'll
see
a
10
foot,
multi-use
path,
that's
shown
and
then
there's
a
five
foot
separation
to
the
back
of
the
curb
and
gutter,
and
then
there's
the
two
foot
gutter
for
the
road,
then,
which
proposes
a
five
foot
bike
lane
with
a
three
foot
painted
buffer
and
then
an
11
foot
travel
lane,
and
then
it's
repeated
on
the
other
side,
as
you
can
see.
O
So
what
what
Mark
was
suggesting
for
at
least
consideration
is
what
he
basically
asked
was
that
the
eight
feet
for
the
bike
lane
and
the
three
foot
buffer
on
both
sides
be
removed,
that
that's
16
feet
and
then
take
six
feet
of
that
and
add
it
to
the
10
foot
existing
multi-use
path
and
then
the
other
10
feet
could
just
be
used
for
landscaping
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
That
was
The
Proposal
that
he
shared
in
an
email.
O
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
saw
the
email,
but
that's
that's
what
we're
working
from
the
D.O.T
already
has
this,
and
a
review
of
this
is
already
underway
between
the
dot
and
also
the
Aesthetics
committee.
Now
one
of
the
things
that's
very
important
and
I'll
try
to
explain
this
when
the
dot
builds
a
brand
new
two-lane
road,
that's
got
curb
and
gutter
on
it.
There
has
to
be
enough
width
to
serve
as
a
breakdown
Lane
for
a
stalled
vehicle.
O
So
what
the
dot
has
initially
said
in
their
response
to
what
Mark
is
asking
that
of
this
cross-section?
They
would
be
able
to
take
away
the
buffer
on
each
side
at
six
feet
and
they
would
be
able
to
add
that
to
the
multi-use
transportation
path,
but
the
rest
of
the
footprint
for
that
road
would
still
have
to
be
32
feet
wide,
and
that
would
give
really
that
would
give
two
16
foot
lanes
and
that
would
serve
as
their
breakdown
land.
O
So
does
anybody
have
any
questions
about
that
or
concerns
and
Randy
I
am
interested
in
hearing
your
thoughts
on
that
as
well
and
before
we
get
into
this
I
just
want
to
show
one
other
they're
all
in
here
with
me
just
a
second
okay.
O
Now
this
one
and
I'll
get
this
one
bigger
too
okay,
so
here
is
what
is
in
the
Gap
plan
for
the
north
radt
hit
French
Broad
Greenway,
this
section
in
yellow,
which
it
starts
down
here
at
the
Pearson
Bridge
Road
and
goes
all
the
way
up
to
Broadway
Street,
that's
the
multi-use
or
that's
the
greenway.
O
So
with
that,
I
want
to
stop
sharing
for
a
moment
and
then
I
can
be
glad
to
try
to
answer
any
and
all
questions.
C
Thank
you,
yeah
thanks
Ken.
So
much
and
I
appreciate
Mark
was
you
know
he
he
was
kind
of
his
time
was
ending
as
I
was
moving
to
Asheville
and
stuff
too,
and
I
understand.
He
was
a
great
advocate
for
multiple,
multiple,
multiple
Transportation,
as
well
as
providing
pedestrian
and
so
I
appreciate
all
the
good
work
he's
done.
I.
Think,
though,
his
perspective
in
this
case
is
not
appropriate
because
he
is
discounting
the
population
that
uses
bike
Lanes.
C
There
are
bike
Lanes,
so
where
the
mold
the
cycle
track,
ends
in
with
the
red
tip
and
up
until
this
point
it's
bike
lanes,
and
so
that
gives
us
right
now,
a
section
from
the
ridge
on
metal
Road
over
the
railroad
tracks,
all
the
way
to
Broadway,
if
this
is
done
with
with
bike
Lanes
a
rather
fast
transportation
Network
for
commuters,
who
want
to
go
through
the
area
to
get
to
work
on
time
and
if
we
just
have
a
Greenway
on
any
one
portion
of
that
is
that
Transformation
Network.
C
But
if
we
maintain
the
bike
lanes
that
are
playing
right
now
on
the
road,
then
we
give
an
option
for
those
people
who
want
to
use
their
bike
as
a
transportation
Network,
not
even
talking
about
people
who
are
Racers
or
want
to
go
fast
through
the
area
too
right,
but
I'm
training
I,
don't
want
to
go
five
miles
an
hour
through
the
area
to
be
safe
and
not
you
know,
give
anybody
who's
using
the
greenway.
C
You
know
any
reason
to
be
in
not
comfortable
with
that
experience,
so
I
really
think
it's
important
to
have
the
bike
lane
there,
because
that
completes
us
important
section
of
the
bicycle
Network
there
that
people
use
for
for
transportation
and
so
as
much
as
I
respect,
Mark's
opinion
on
on
this
and
making
it
safe
as
possible
for
people
who
you
know
to
ride
their
bikes
on
a
separated
area
like
the
greenway
I,
also
think
that
for
a
certain
percentage
of
population,
it's
essential
to
have
a
bike
lane
in
this
area.
H
Yeah
thanks
Randy
I
agree
two
thick
well,
one
is
the
question
for
you.
Ken
and
I
can
wait
for
the
answer,
because
I've
got
a
follow-up
comment
is:
is
there
a
proposal
to
drop
the
speed
limit
to
35
when
this
gets
done,
because
in
my
mind,
that
eliminates
one
of
Mark
Hunt's
key
concerns
with
with
keeping
the
bike
Lanes
on
the
road?
H
You
know
I
look
at
this
exactly
the
same
way.
Randy
does
and
and
even
before,
I
got
on
Planning
and
Zoning
to
multimodal
when
the
rad
tip
project
was
going
through
and
there
was
proposed,
although
you
know
not,
have
the
separated
bike
track,
which
we
do
now
I
got
up
and
made
the
comment
that
well
I'm
still
going
to
ride
on
the
road,
because
you're
going
to
force
me
onto
a
Greenway
where
there's
going
to
be
slower,
people
and
I
want
to
ride
through
there.
H
I
don't
want
to
have
to
be
dodging
people
and
people
don't
want
to
be.
You
know
having
to
worry
about
me,
and
so
thus
we
were
able
to
you
know
it.
It
hire
people
higher
Powers,
decided
that
you
know
it
was
smart
to
put
in
the
bike
track
and
not
just
have
it
one.
You
know
large
green
white
component,
so
I
I
think
this
is
a
similar
situation.
We
need
to
keep
the
bike
lanes
and
as
much
as
I.
You
know,
I
concur
with
some
of
Mark's.
You
know
concerns
I,
think
keeping
the
bike.
H
O
O
O
D
Just
something
that's
come
up
in
the
greenway
committee
is
the
need
for
landscaping
between
the
sidewalk
along
the
Eastern
side
and
the
giant
retaining
wall
I
feel
like
the
the
cross
section,
doesn't
do
the
routine
wall
Justice,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
forefoot
routine.
Well,
it's
going
to
be
huge.
So
having
space
to
add
a
little
bit
of
landscaping
could
be
really
important
when
it
comes
to
just
overall
Aesthetics
and
attractiveness
and
encouraging
people
to
use
it.
You
know
I'd
rather
walk
next
to
some
trees
and
bushes
than
I
would
a
giant
wall.
D
So
there's
there
is
a
a
demand
for
for
that,
but
I
I,
kind
of
err
on
the
side
of
and
all
of
the
above
approach,
so
I
do
support
still
having
bike
Lanes
on
the
road
in.
O
Fact
you
can't
and
I
will
say
that
and
I
apologize,
the
the
figure
that
I
showed.
You
has
been
changed
a
little
bit
and
this
was
advocated
by
the
Aesthetics
committee.
There
will
be
no
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
up
against
the
wall,
that
will
just
be
a
landscaped
area
and
because
there's
really
not
a
need
for
a
sidewalk
when
there's
really
no
place
to
go
because
you're
following
a
wall.
Now,
when
you
go
from
the
section
from
Broadway
I
mean
excuse
me
from
Pearson
Bridge
Road
up
toward
Broadway.
H
Thanks
for
for
clarifying
that
Ken,
because
that
was
one
of
the
things
I
forgot
to
mention
was-
was
about
that
needing
to
have
a
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
because
it
doesn't
make
sense
and
I.
Also
wonder
too
is:
has
there
been
thought
given
to
doing
more
of
a
protected
bike
lane?
H
You
know,
obviously
there
right
now
it's
calling
for
the
three
foot
wide
painted
buffer,
but
something
like
you
know,
the
vertical
delineators
or
something
there
that
might
provide
a
little
more
security.
I
mean
I,
see
a
lot
of
people
biking
along
the
bike,
Lanes
there
right
now,
Recreation
and
commuting
so
I.
Just
you
know.
Obviously
the
more
people
feel
safe.
The
more
people
are
going
to
use
it.
So
yeah.
O
I
think,
as
far
as
vertical
delineators
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
definitely
have
I
think
the
the
thing
that
we
as
a
city
would
just
have
to
be
comfortable
with,
and
so
I
don't
have
the
firm
answer
today,
but
that
we
would
just
have
to
be
sure
that
we're
going
to
maintain
those
those
delineators,
because
fortunately,
even
this
year
we
haven't
had
a
big
snow
cross,
our
fingers.
But
you
know
if
the
snow
plows
take
them
out.
O
A
I,
don't
know
why
my
husband's
name
is
popping
up.
It's
my
computer,
but
he's
in
my
experience
of
riding
bicycles
in
other
cities
like
most
recently
Washington
DC
is
the
more
protective.
The
line
is
the
more
consistent
speeds
you
can
go.
The
faster
your
commute
and
so
barrier
to
me
would
be
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
that,
because
that
gets
more
people
feeling
safe
on
the
road.
B
Just
to
kind
of
talk
about
the
delineation
I've
noticed
that
we
have
that
right
now
on
Meadow
in
the
new
striping
on
Meadow
and
there's
that
space
and
anecdotally
I've
noticed
that
that
Vehicles,
because
it
does
tighten
up
the
lanes
a
little
bit
when
we
have
that
delineation
and
then
the
bike
lane
I've
noticed
a
lot
of
folks
actually
operating
in
the
the
striped
area
and
then
when
they
see
a
bike,
they'll
come
back
in,
but
I
worry.
If
that
is,
you
know,
that'll
kind
of
wear
down
our
paint.
B
B
I
I
was
so
delighted
to
see
that
space,
because
I
feel
so
much
safer
riding
my
bike
on
that
road
now,
but
I
do
notice
that
folks
are
we're
leaking
over,
because
it
does
feel
a
little
bit
tight
when
you're
going
that
speed
around
that
turn-
and
you
know
all
those
things
put
together-
kind
of
create
that
a
little
bit
of
discomfort,
I
think
for
the
drivers.
E
Ken
and
maybe
Randy
Joe-
you
can
chime
in
on
this,
but
can
you
help
me
under
I'm
reading
Mark's
Mark
Hunt's
letter
and
he's
arguing
that
you
know
adding
just
six
feet
to
the
mup
to
make
it
16
feet
in
with
will
result
in
a
more
functional
and
safe
facility,
so
I
wonder
if
we
can
dive
into
that
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
I
want
to
unders.
What's
your
sense
of
that?
Is
that
help
me
understand
that
a
little
bit
better
Mark's
argument
and
maybe
what
yours
would
be
against
it.
C
Sure
I'll
I
can
answer
them.
I
think
so.
Mark
said
that
people
don't
feel
comfortable
in
a
bike
lane,
don't
use
it
so
he's
trying
to
stay.
If
it
made
it
wider,
then
they
go
use
green
light,
but
I
ride
that
road.
All
the
time
and
I
teach
it
a
lot.
All
the
time
too
and
I
have
a
lot
of
friends
right
on
all
the
time.
C
So
I
don't
know
if
Mark's
experiences
is
what's
actually
happening
on
the
roadway
there
and
then
also
too,
if
you're
on
a
16
foot
or
a
10
foot,
you
know
it's
better:
to
have
a
16
foot,
bring
your
multi-use
path
than
it
is
a
10
foot.
Just
do
this
because
you
have
more
space
to
share
people
share
with
people,
but
people
don't
always
use
that
in
an
organized
way.
C
So
you
know,
ideally,
if
you're
pedestrians
you
stay
to
the
outside,
if
you're
going
faster,
you're
safe
towards
the
inside,
ideally,
but
that
really
happens
even
on
Trails
on
the
countries
that
are
heavily
marked.
So
it's
unreasonable
to
expect
people
to
allow
for
bicycles
to
bring
very
quickly
at
all,
I
mean
if
you're
going
back
faster
than
10
miles
an
hour
and
you've
got
pedestrians
on
even
16
foot
facility,
where
they're
cutting
back
and
forth
and
stuff
too.
C
You
just
can't
go
over
passing
a
bike
at
all
there,
and
so
by
having
the
bike
lane
that
allows
somebody
who's
trying
to
get
through
the
area.
You
know
quickly
like
you
would
be.
If
you're
going
to
work
or
something,
then
you
can
go
up
to
35
miles
an
hour
and
not
have
to
worry
about
pedestrians
or
anything
else,
especially
going
north
there,
where
you've
got
retaining
wall,
the
right
size,
so
no
cross
traffic
whatsoever.
C
So
I
think
most
of
this
perspective
is
just
skewed
thinking
that
that
same
kind
of
Transportation
can
happen
on
a
16
foot.
Multi-Use
path
is
just
not
reality,
and
so
he's
not
thinking
about.
Is
anybody
wanting
to
ride
their
bike
any
faster
than
I
guess
10
miles
an
hour
and
that's
just
not
the
reality
of
the
situation?
D
Yeah
Ken
I
was
hoping
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
city's
status
with
the
separate
Greenway
along
the
river,
because
I
feel,
like
you
know,
this
dot
portion
is
funded.
It's
happening.
You
know
how
we
design.
It
is
a
little
bit
up
in
the
air,
but
it's
happening
I
feel
like
the
city's
portion
is
still
a
little
bit
nebulous
and
there's
no
funding
to
to
secure
it.
D
So
I
feel,
like
you
know,
I
look
at
this
and
see
you
know
the
Riverside
Drive
Corridor
is
the
transportation
Corridor
and
then
that
separate
Greenway
is
the
the
recreation
tool.
But
if
that
never
happens-
or
it
is
30
years
away
from
happening,
I
feel
like
we
need
to
make
sure
that
Riverside
Drive
can
handle
both
bike
and
ped
for
the
foreseeable
future.
Can
you
talk
about
the
the
Riverside
Greenway.
O
I,
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
on
that.
I
do
know
that
one
of
the
challenges
for
oh
I
see
Anna
sex
is
on
it.
So
I
wanna,
I'm,
gonna
hush
a
minute
and
let
Anna
answer
your
question.
N
Hi
Ken
I
was
waiting
to
see
if,
if
you
wanted
me
to
chime
in
here,
but
for
the
extension
of
the
rat
tip
Greenway
from
Hill
Street
up
to
Pearson
Bridge
Road,
we
are
this
close
to
taking
an
approved
scope
and
contract
to
council.
N
So
I
think
that
we
are
hoping
to
do
that
within
the
next
month
or
two
we're
still
working
with
the
consultant
to
finalize
some
details
and
finalize
some
things
with
ncbot.
But
that's
for
like
preliminary
engineering
and
design
of
the
greenway
and
then
I
do
believe
that
in
future
fiscal
years
we
have
some
money
for
construction.
So
it
should
be
happening.
N
Correct
right,
we
in
realizing
the
Riverside
Drive
project
that
ncdot
is
taking
on
as
part
of
the
I-26
connector
project.
N
A
K
My
question
is,
with
all
the
the
the
funding
and
the
reading
through
Mark's
letter
wanting
to
spend
more
money
and
I
know
some
of
these
Aesthetics
were
recommendations
were
approved
and
then
Jack's
comment
about
the
funding
in
other
people's.
What
is
the,
how
does
any
of
this
affect
the
funding
on
the
other
side
of
the
green
one,
the
other
end
of
the
river
you
know
going
across
Biltmore
and
River
Road
is
this?
K
I
K
All
of
these
that
we're
talking
about
all
these
bike,
packs
and
Greenways,
and
all
these
things
that
are
in
the
west
and
north
and
continuing
West
and
North
I'm
talking
about
sort
of
the
other
end,
are
these
mutually
exclusive?
Will
they
be
happening
simultaneously
to
go
to
the
you
know,
or
is
this
just
connected
to
the
I-26
part
yeah.
O
O
And,
and
and
the
dots
on
course
for
these,
this
section,
section,
B
and
section
d,
section
B
begins
down
below
Haywood
Road
Bridge
out
goes
all
the
way
up
to
Broadway.
So
it's
the
biggest
chunk
of
the
I-26
connector
Project
D
is
Riverside
Drive.
So
that's
you
can
kind
of
it's
easy
to
remember,
they're
going
to
do
it
with
a
design,
build
process
and
the
anticipated
award
date
for
this
is
October
of
this
year
and
the
estimated
cost
is
1.3
billion
dollars,
probably
the
largest
design
build
project.
Dlt's
ever
done
to
this
point.
J
J
O
The
pipe
plant
for
the
yes,
sir
and
then,
and
then
it
brought
around
Pearson
Bridge.
The
railroad-
is
no
longer
running
along
Riverside
Drive.
It's
it's
up
against
the
river.
F
It
doesn't
seem
like
we're
taking
a
formal
vote
on
this,
so
I
just
wanted
to
tell
Lodge
my
support
for
keeping
it
as
designed
as
you
presented
Ken
with
the
variation
around
not
having.
Maybe
the
sidewalk
against
that
tall
wall.
F
I
do
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
user
conflict
with
simply
a
wider
Greenway,
multimodal
path
to
16
feet,
particularly
with
the
Advent
of
electric
vehicle,
Electric,
bikes
and
scooters,
and
things
that
accelerate
seeds.
So
much
I
think
that
it
would
be
probably
a
detriment
to
all
users
if
it
was
simply
unified
and
combined
in
that
one
place.
E
I,
just
this
is
maybe
getting
a
little
bit
off
topic,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
a
plug
in
for
the
record.
I
think
I'm
definitely
concerned
about
some
of
the
neighborhood
connections
that
are
part
of
this
project.
In
particular,
you
know,
sort
of
by
hominy
Creek
and
that
really
complicated
geography
and
road
work
and
I
I
know
that
a
lot
of
input
has
gone
in
to
the
city
in
dot,
to
thoughtfully.
Think
about
those
connections
but
I
just
wanted
to
you
know,
that's
a
big
concern
of
mine.
E
D
Yeah
for
sure
we're
I
mean
we're
spending
a
lot
of
money
on
this.
So
let's,
let's
get
it
right.
Two
points:
I
had
people
don't
use
Riverside
Drive
bike
lanes
because
they
suck
they're
in
the
gutter.
Every
time
I
ride
on
it,
there's
sticks
and
mud
and
I
have
to
Swerve
into
the
road
just
to
go
around
stuff
I
mean
so
having
a
six
foot
wide
bike.
D
Lan
on
each
side
with
the
buffer
can
make
a
huge
difference
in
terms
of
who's
riding
and
and
why
they're
riding,
but
also
to
the
to
the
same
point.
Widening
the
multi-use
path
from
10
to
16
can
also
have
a
huge
impact.
I
remember,
riding
on
a
rail
trail
that
was
10
feet
wide
and
it
was
so
narrow
every
time.
D
I
bike
past
somebody
biking
in
the
other
way
Direction,
but
when
they
widened
it
from
10
to
12
it
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
Uber
comfortable
and
everybody
was
fine,
so
I
would
ride
my
bike
with
my
kids
on
Riverside
Drive
a
lot
more
often,
if
I
knew
there
was
a
buffer
I
knew
I
didn't
have
to
ride
in
the
mud
in
the
gutter,
but
I
would
also
advocate
for
a
lighter
ball
to
use
that
so
can
we
just
get
rid
of
the
car
traffic
altogether
and
just
have
one
giant
multi-use
path.
Please.
C
Better
because
something
like
Riverside
Drive
is
a
state-owned
road,
but
the
city
takes
over
the
maintenance
on
it
because
they
allowed
cycling
striping
on
it,
and
so
it's
a
kind
of
a
delicate
balance
in
there.
But
we
have
started
talking
about
how
to
clean
it
better,
how
to
orient
some
of
the
grates
that
are
in
the
wrong
orientation,
how
to
take
care
of
Education
that
grows
out
into
the
lane,
and
things
like
that
too.
So
that
is
ongoing.
C
Discussions
with
like
Ted
in
in
the
city
and
so
I
think
it's
definitely
on
our
radar,
and
we
appreciate
skins
willingness
to
work
with
us
and
to
try
and
make
that
a
better
situation
on
Riverside,
but
also
throughout
the
city.
The
established
patterns,
where
we
can
establish
on
any
facility
that
you
know
non-water
ice
traffic,
primarily
because
it
is
a
big
concern
for
sure.
B
All
right
next
up
is
unfinished
business,
Jessica
30,
any
things
you
want
to
tick
off
in
that
list.
B
M
I'm,
sorry,
the
one
that
I
was
hoping
that
we'd
get
to,
but
we're
running
very
short
on
time
is
The
Greenway
and
bike
ted
task
force,
murder,
conversation.
B
I
would
prefer
to
hold
it
if
that's
okay
with
the
group
I
really
want
to
have
a
pretty
in-depth
conversation
about
this
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
all
understand
what's
going
on
and
how
we're
going
to
you
know
go
forward
here.
So
if
that's
okay
with
you
I
think,
that's
a
good
call.
M
Yeah
I
mean
there's
nothing
like
there's
no
timeline
deadline
per
se.
This
is
just
a
conversation
and
that
we've
been
having
with
all
of
the
groups,
and
so
you
know
nobody's
driving
the
deadline
here.
So
I,
don't
there's
no
harm
I,
don't
believe
in
in
continuing
it
to
the
next
meeting.
C
C
You
know
one
group
at
1.9,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
honor
both
what
green
waves
is
doing
and
what
like
Ted
is
doing
and
how
we
make
sure
that
they
have
good
representation
for
all
the
issues
that
are
currently
going
on
in
both
the
groups
with
a
new
group
that
would
Encompass
both
their
issues
too.
C
So,
even
though
we're
going
to
talk
about
it
today
and
I
agree
with
Dennis.
Do
we
want
to
have
an
in-depth
discussion
about
this
by
multimodal
as
well,
but
a
lot
of
prep
work
is
going
on
behind
the
scenes
with
the
other
two
group
and
I
think
that
if
we
wait
another
month,
only
more
products
will
happen,
because
you
know
I
just
sent
out
another
document
yesterday
or
something
like
that
to
get
additional
input
on
some
other
things
for
this
process
too.
C
So
it's
just
a
lot
of
stuff's
going
on
to
let
you
guys
know-
and
we
don't
have
to
discuss
or
just
like
Jessica
said,
there's
no
deadline
today
right.
Thank
you.
We
don't
want
to
wait
forever,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
moving
forward
pretty
rapidly
I.
Think
and
I
appreciate
the
city
not
pressing
us
too
much
because
Jessica
could
she
could
say
you
need
to
decide
this.
You
know
this
month
that
she's
been
very
gracious
in
giving
us
time
to
make
sure
we
do
this
right
and
I
really
appreciate
that.
M
I'll
just
say
that
you
know
I,
don't
know
that
anybody
needs
to
be
working
and
prepare
anything
I.
Think
the
the
what
we've
talked
about
at
the
multimodal
level
and
I
think
there's
been
some
confusion
and
that's
I
think
natural,
but
is
that
we're
not
having
one
group
acquire
the
other?
It's
really
just
a
kind
of
a
starting
fresh
with
a
new
committee
and
that
that
development
of
that
committee
would
personally
need
to
be
approved
by
the
multimodal
commission.
But
what
I'm?
M
What
I'm
hoping
for
is
that
there
could
be
like
a
subgroup
subcommittee.
If
you
will
kind
of
like
we
talked
about
for
the
membership
criteria
or
scoring
that
a
group
could
come
together.
That
represents
both
both
existing
groups
and
maybe
some
at
large
numbers,
and
they
could
work
together
to
develop
what
the
bylaws
might
look
like.
What
the
purpose
might
look
like
and
membership
Etc
and
then
come
back
and
come
forward
to
the
multimodal
for
ultimate
approval.
M
So
I
think
it
would
be
within
a
subgroup
that
they
would
do
the
heavy
lifting
in
terms
of
figuring
out
how
this
new
group
will
will
be
comprised.
B
Okay,
yeah,
that
sounds
good
and
I
think
we
can
have
a
good
conversation
on
the
next
meeting
about
that
and
then
kind
of
some
assign
some
next
steps
or
to
find
some
next
steps,
as
a
group
beautiful
so
like
we're
bumping
up
against
it,
it's
here,
so
without
objection,
I'm
gonna
see
if
we
can
we'll
table
our
updates
and
please
note
the
future
done
items
we
have
another
meeting
coming
up
next
month.
H
Just
real
quick
I
put
something
in
the
chat:
a
link
to
the
there's,
a
big
new
development
project
that
the
Y
and
First
Baptist
Church
are
proposing
downtown.
Multimodal,
definitely
should
be
aware
of
it
and
make
input
comments
thanks.
B
Excellent.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
that's
a
huge
one
and
one
that
we
should
be
involved
with
thanks
everybody.
We
will
see
each
other
next
month,
thanks
for
your
time,
take
care.