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From YouTube: Historic Resources Commission – January 11, 2023
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B
B
Good
afternoon
everybody
I'm
the
HRC
chair.
My
name
is
Emily
kite
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
all
of
you
to
the
January
10th,
so
May,
the
10th
11th
2023
historic,
Resources
Commission
meeting
the
HRC
is
a
quasi-judicial
body:
that's
governed
by
North,
Carolina,
General
statutes,
the
city
of
Asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
Buncombe
County
ordinance.
B
We
are
authorized
to
hear
requests
for
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
alterations,
demolitions
and
new
construction
and
other
work
within
historic
districts
or
for
the
alteration
and
demolition
of
historic
landmarks
and
other
duties,
including
preliminary
review
of
subdivisions
as
specified
in
the
ordinances
of
the
HRC.
I,
will
now
ask
each
of
our
commission
members
to
and
staff
to
introduce
themselves
start
with.
We
can
start
wherever
down
this
way.
H
B
Temporary
attorneys
Council
for
this
board
tonight
a
special
welcome
for
Chris
and
Annie.
Today
this
is
going
to
be
their
first
meeting
and
I
forgot
to
tell
you
that
you
could
say
a
little
bit
about
yourself
as
as
to
why
you
have
decided
to
be
on
the
commission
so
we'll
hit
that
the
next
time
we
will
first
consider
the
minutes
for
our
December
2022
meeting
of
the
HRC.
The
minutes
include
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law.
Are
there
any
corrections.
B
B
B
We
will
now
begin
our
evidentiary
hearings
for
the
items
listed
on
our
agenda
as
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
HRC
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
The
HRC
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
the
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district
for
that
application.
The
HRC
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
B
The
HRC
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
The
Commissioners
in
voting
for
an
item
will
not
have
have
a
fixed
opinion
that
isn't
susceptible
to
change,
will
not
have
a
conflict
of
interest
and
will
not
have
engaged
in
ex
parte
communication
regarding
the
application.
Following
is
the
rules
for
speaking.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public,
but
participation
is
limited
to
interested
parties
who
wish
to
provide
comment
and
testimony
regarding
the
proposal.
B
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historic
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion.
Witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony
and
at
this
time,
I'm
going
to
administer
the
oath
for
all
of
the
individuals
here
today
that
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony.
B
It's
a
lot
of
folks.
Okay,
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
for
the
hearing
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
preliminary
subdivision
approval
before
the
historic
Resources
Commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth?
Do
you
thank.
A
C
C
I
I,
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
little
bit
hard
for
you
all
to
see
these
plans
in
detail.
You
probably
want
to
just
pull
them
up
on
your
on
your
laptop,
so
you
can
look
at
them
more
closely
as
we're
talking
through
this,
but
I'm
basically
organized
my
the
ca
request
by
the
first
by
floor
and
did
interior
and
then
exterior,
because
this
house
does
have
interior.
C
The
interior
is
protected
as
as
part
of
the
designation
ordinance,
so
I
I
included
this
first
slide
as
the
demo
plan
on
the
left
and
the
proposed
plan
on
the
right
there's
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
the
basement
level,
but
I
will
say
that
when
we
did
the
designation
report,
we
didn't
even
tour
the
basement
level
I.
Don't
it's
pretty
much
unfinished
down
there?
C
There's
a
bathroom
I
think,
but
I
would
say
that
I
didn't
spend
too
much
time
getting
in
the
Weeds
on
the
basement
plan,
since
I
wasn't
really
highlighted
as
part
of
the
interior
in
the
designation
report
at
all
so,
but
they
are
proposing
to
do
some
work
down
there.
That
does
impact
impact
the
exterior.
C
So
if
you
look
at
the
bottom
left
floor
plan
as
the
demo
floor
plan
for
the
basement
level,
where
they
for
egress
need
to
change
the
window,
openings
on
that
side
and
modify
the
window
well
on
that
side
a
bit,
so
that
is
a
change
that
will
will
affect
the
exterior
and
otherwise
they're,
removing
some
interior
walls
Etc
down
there
and
and
then
putting
in
flagstroom
flooring
down
there.
The
slide
on
the
or
the
the
plan
on
the
top
left
is
the
first
floor.
C
Demo
plan
I
would
say:
that's
probably
the
where
the
meat
of
their
proposed
interior
work
is
is
proposed
and
on
the
right
top
right
is
the
proposed
plan.
So
the
house,
if
you
read
that,
had
an
opportunity
to
read
the
designation
report
does
have
an
interior
original
features
it.
It
actually
only
had
two
owners
in
its
lifetime,
this
third
owner,
and
so
it
has
remained
largely
intact.
C
So
the
the
fixtures
on
the
left
are
all
the
existing
original
fixtures
on
the
first
floor
and
then
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
what
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace
the
interior
fixtures
with
in
the
living
room.
The
four
dining
area
have
have
these
original
fixtures.
There
are
some
new
fixtures
proposed
for
the
kitchen.
The
kitchen
to
go
back
to
the
floor
plan
is.
Is
that
hatched
area
on
the
top
left
the
kitchen
is
kind
of
a
little
bit.
If
anything
had
changed
every
time
in
there,
it
was
probably
the
kitchen
that
changed
somewhat.
C
I,
don't
think,
we've
had
a
landmark
that
had
so
many
interior
features
where
the
house
hadn't
been
really
modernized
in
such
a
long
time.
If,
at
all
that
you
know
I,
think
I
was
kind
of
looking
at
it
from
the
practicality
lens
of
of
modern
day
living
and
how
they
might
be
able
to.
You
know,
work
around
those
elements
in
the
kitchen
or
not
so
I'll.
Let
the
the
applicant
speak
speak
to
that.
C
There
are
some
proposed
there's,
there's
a
door,
that's
up
on
the
that's
on
the
rear,
elevation,
that's
proposed
for
replacement
and
then
there's
also
need
a
pointer,
but
the
there's
also
a
currently
a
window,
leading
that
that's
within
the
dining
room
area
that
looks
out
into
the
same
Courtyard
as
that
exterior
door.
That
needs
to
be
replaced
on
the
rear
elevation
that
they
want
to
change
to
a
doorway
to
match
the
other
one
and
then
there's
some
non-original.
C
There's
a
non-original
doorway
on
the
or
doors
on
the
rear
elevation
that
will
need
to
be
that
are
proposed
to
be
replaced
with
Windows
and
then
a
a
another
door,
that's
on
the
rear
elevation
and
then
on
the
North
elevation,
or
maybe
it's
the
East
Elevation.
Basically,
if
you're
looking
at
the
floor
plan
on
the
left-hand
side,
next
to
where
that
window
wall
is
located,
there
is
a
door
that
goes
out
from
the
kitchen
as
well
that
they
are
proposing
to
a
place.
C
On
the
second
floor,
there
are
some
interior
doorways
that
are
proposed
to
be
infilled
in
the
bedroom.
That's
that's
near
the
front.
Elevation
I
would
say
too
I
didn't
point
this
out
on
the
first
floor,
but
all
the
little
red
parts
that
are
on
the
exterior
walls
that
are
that
you
see
the
little
red
lines.
Those
are
all
original
radiators
that
they're
proposing
to
remove.
C
So
there
are
proposing
to
demo
out
the
bathroom
on
this
floor
and
replace
the
fixtures
in
there,
as
well
as
the
master
bedroom,
is
on
the
right
hand,
side.
They
are
proposing
to
create
a
new
Arch
doorway
where
there's
an
existing
doorway
and
build
build
out
a
closet
space
in
there
with
a
new
gas,
fireplace
sounds
really.
Nice
I
want
a
gas
fireplace
in
my
closet
and
then
and
then
in
the
rear
of
the
house.
There
will
be
some
some
demo
of
walls
in
that
area
as
well.
C
C
So
I
also
included
in
my
presentation,
some
of
the
exterior
elevations,
where
you
can
see
that
another
thing
that's
happening
on
the
first
floor.
That
I
didn't
mention
is
that
the
front
Terrace,
which
is
original
to
the
house,
it's
flagstone
with
brick
border.
They
are
proposing
to
replace
that
as
well.
There's
some
water-ish
water
intrusion
there
that's
causing
some
issues
and
they
want
to
rebuild
it
in
the
same
footprint
and
it
doesn't
look.
I
met
on
site
with
the
landscape
architect
and
we
looked
at
it
to
talk
about
that.
C
The
materials
there
and
the
brick
appears
there's
multiple
different
colors
of
brick
happening
there.
So
it
looked
like
a
little
bit
hard
to
tell
which
one
was
the
original
one.
There
was
some
definitely
some
different
colors
of
brick
happening
around
the
perimeter
of
it
and
then
there's
a
different
color.
Brick,
that's
on
the
foundation
of
the
house,
too.
There's
a
there's,
a
real
brick
above
the
stone
foundation.
C
C
So
you
can
see
that
there's
the
demo
of
the
doorway
on
the
first
floor
on
the
right
hand,
side,
there's
and
then,
and
then
there
will
be
windows
installed
there,
as
well
as
within
that
recess
entry.
It's
kind
of
hard
to
look
to
tell
if
you're
looking
at
it
in
this
2D
drawing
but
there's
like
a
recessed
entry
on
the
right
hand,
side
that
will
be
infilled
with
stucco
will
have
a
window
there
as
well,
and
then
you
can
see
on
the
top
right.
That
is
the
you're.
C
C
All
right
and
so
sight
work
as
part
of
the
designation.
It's
always
that
the
site
is
is
designated
as
as
part
of
a
landmark,
but
this
one
actually
has
a
has
a
designed
landscape.
The
plan's
really
hard
to
read.
It
did
have
like
a
planting
plan,
but
we
don't
have
whatever
the
planting
plan
is
keyed.
You
can
just
kind
of
see
where
the
more
formalized
landscape
features
were,
which
so
they're
in
the
behind
the
house.
C
C
The
planting
bed
has
grown
over
so
they're
proposing
to
convert
it
to
a
seated
like
a
patio
area,
so
the
whole
thing
would
be
paid
versus
the
planting
bed
in
the
middle
I
did
note
this
as
a
concern,
since
it's
an
original
feature,
I
think
it
could
be
restored.
However,
part
of
me
also
thinks
that
it's
not
out.
You
know
it's
not
out
of
the
realm
of
possible
thinking
to
if
they
convert
it
to
a
seating
area
that
it
could
then
be
restored
again
to
a
planting
bed
at
some
point
in
the
future.
C
But
that's
just
something
that
we'll
need
to
talk
through
today
and
then
so
then
they're
proposing
to
put
down
new
pea
gravel
that
will
wrap
all
the
way
around
the
side
elevation.
There
is
currently
kind
of
a
mixture
of
concrete
pavers
Etc
back
there
now
they'll
need
to
there's
an
existing
retaining
wall
on
that
side
of
the
house.
C
That
they'll
need
to
Veer
outward
a
little
bit
and
then
it's
just
a
really
short
section,
and
then
the
on
the
top
right
is
the
a
new
like
garden
bed
area
that
they're
proposing
and
I'm,
not
quite
100,
clear
on
the
fence.
But
there
is
a
fence
along
there,
that
is
at
the
very
least
on
the
house
side
of
the
garden
bed
and
I.
C
Imagine
it
would
go
away
all
the
way
around,
maybe
to
protect
from
deer
and
and
other
other
animals
that
like
to
eat
our
our
garden
items,
but
I'm
not
entirely
clear
on
that.
So
that's
a
question
mark
on
my
staff
report
and
I
did
what
I
did
want
to
also
get
clear
on
the
the
height
of
the
fence
is
five
feet,
which
I
think
is
kind
of
tall
for
a
fence
to
go
to
go
around
a
garden
in
particular
site.
The
new
site
feature
where
one
didn't
exist.
C
As
you
know,
fences
we
always
treat
pretty
sensitively.
So
those
were
the
main
things.
I
noted
were
the
the
interior,
light
fixtures,
the
planting
bed,
the
fence
and
then
I
had
quite
a
quite
a
list
of
items
that
I
wasn't
clear
on,
as
I
mentioned,
like
what
will
the?
What
will
the
new
interior
stare
be
constructed
of?
C
So,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
front
elevation
on
the
top
right
that
doorway,
that
comes
out
from
the
kitchen,
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
house
they're
proposing
a
new
cover
entry
over
that
a
little
a
little
hip
roof
that
will
have
standing
seam
metal
roof.
But
we
don't
have
our
copper
roof.
Maybe,
but
we
don't.
We
don't
have
the
specs
for
that.
Yet
I
also
wanted
to
get
clear
on
whether
there's
a
little
brick
stoop
there.
C
Now
that
I
believe
is
proposed
for
demo
with
the
application,
so
I'm
not
clear
on
what
the
new
stoop
will
be
constructed
of
I.
Also,
the
house
looks
like
it
really
needs
to
be
kind
of
some
TLC
from
maybe
from
a
cleaning
perspective.
You
can't
tell
when
this
picture,
but
if
you're
there
in
person
it
looks
like
the
the
stuff
I
can
probably
use
some
cleaning.
So
I
was
wondering
if
that
was
going
to
be
part
of
the
application.
C
I
also
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
are
proposing
new
light
fixtures
around
the
exterior
as
well.
There
are
there's
an
existing
one
on
the
left
hand,
side
and
an
existing
one
on
the
rear,
they're,
both
they're
different,
so
I'm,
not
sure
which
one
is
original.
If
either
the
one
over
the
front
door
appears
original
to
the
structure
and
I,
don't
think
that
one's
proposed
for
replacement,
but
I
just
want
to
verify
that
as
well
and
then
sorry
I'm
kind
of
jumping
around
here.
C
But
this
is
so
many
different
things
to
it.
There's
a
like
there's
an
existing
stairway
that
goes
into
the
to
the
rear
entry
door.
That's
proposed
for
replacement
and
I'm
curious
to
know
like
what,
if
that
will
be
rebuilt
using
it
kind
of
looks
like
a
hodgepodge
of
materials
right
now,
but
I,
don't
know
what
they're
proposing
to
replace
that
with
I
think
it
was
supposed
to
be
Stone
but
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
was
the
original
material
or
not.
C
So
we
do
still
need
some
gravel
stone
and
brick
samples
to
look
at
as
well
all
the
other
side
things
to
talk
through
and
then
I'll
stop
talking.
There's
on
the
bottom
left
hand.
Side
is
the
the
stairway
that
comes
off
the
driveway
that
goes
up
to
the
main
entry
of
the
house,
and
it's
the
it's
probably
does
not
mean
code.
It's
you
know
constructed
of
stone.
C
I
would
say
that
if
using
as
much
existing
material
as
possible
is
usually
how
we
write
the
approval
for
for
that,
they're
also
proposing
a
new
metal
handrail
along
one
side
of
the
stairway
for
just
for
safety,
then
the
the
picture
on
the
center
in
Center
bottom
is
that
stoop
that
I
was
just
talking
about
on
the
rear
elevation
and
then
the
bottom
right
is
the
window.
Well,
that
I
mentioned
previously
in
the
top
right
is
the
is
the
stairway
that
comes
off
the
driveway.
C
C
H
B
A
L
K
I
K
H
A
C
C
H
C
F
C
That
was
just
one
idea:
I
had
where
you
know
it's
kind
of
like.
Sometimes
when
the
commission
has
approved
for
someone
to
replace
make
a
door
like,
obviously
we
would
usually
say,
retain
the
retain
the
window
on
site
so
that
it
can
be
restored
or
reused
in
in
the
future
I.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
tricky
one.
I
don't
know
that
we've
reviewed
an
application
that
had
light
fixtures
in
it
original
light,
fixtures
and
I'm,
not
even
sure
how
operable
those
fixtures
are
so
I'll.
You
know.
C
B
We
all
talked
about
there's
some
elements
on
the
floor
plans
like
in
the
inside
the
building
where
you
know
a
decent
amount
of
demolition
of
existing
plaster,
or
you
know
to
put
new
electrical
outlets
or
a
half
bathroom
on
the
third
floor.
How
do
we
get
to
those
things
with
new
Plumbing
or
new
power
and
the
impact
that
that's
going
to
have
on
existing
plaster
wall,
construction
and.
C
I
mean
I,
to
be
honest,
I
I
feel
like
mother
is
some
interior
demo
happening,
and
this
is
just
my
my
professional
opinion
I
to
me.
They're
not
mucking,
up
the
floor
plan
enough
to
give
me
concern
about
it,
but
that's
you
know
the
commission
might
have
a
totally
different
opinion
for
me.
So
I
and
I
respect
that,
and
it
is
obviously
we
do
have.
C
The
original
plans
are
in
your
pocket,
so
we
also
are
one
of
our
newest
Commissioners
worked
for
the
shippo
and
she
can
probably
give
us
some
helpful
Insight
on
her
opinion
on
that
too
I
I,
again,
I.
Think
I,
just
I
tried
to
temper
my
review
of
this
with
the
lens
of
practicality
to
some
degree,
to
the
degree
I
felt
like
I
could
comfortably
do
so
and
still
oh
I.
A
H
C
Not
in
my
opinion,
no
because
if
you
look
at
the
original
planting
plan,
it
was
pretty
robust
so
and
there's
some
stuff,
that's
just
overgrown
from
I.
Think
and
Avery
can
say
what
was
approved
as
part
of
it.
But
I
know
there
was
some
tree
removal.
That's
already
occurred
on
the
site,
be
a
minor
work
review,
so
I'll
I,
yeah
I,
didn't
take
any
issue
with
the
landscape
Proposal,
with
the
exception
of
the
patio
or
the
planting
bed
in
the
back,
as
well
as
the
the
fence
area.
C
E
B
C
C
M
B
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
Stephen
Lee
Johnson
I'm,
a
landscape
architect
here
in
Asheville,
just
a
quick
point
before
I
address
your
specific
questions
as
a
local,
historic
preservationist,
myself
I
think
that
we're
all
really
lucky
that
this
home
has
been
bought
by
a
local
person.
Who's
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
over
a
couple
of
decades
and
lives
in
a
historic
home
now
and
appreciates
and
understands
what
we're
going
through
so
to
address.
I.
O
Think
the
primary
concern
about
the
landscape,
first
of
all,
unlike
the
home,
which
appears
to
have
been
constructed
and
detailed
precisely
based
on
the
architectural
plans,
the
landscape
is
kind
of
a
mishmash
combination
of
it,
looks
like
reclaimed
and
recycled
materials.
So
I
guess
they
ran
out
of
money.
O
But
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
using
the
landscape
plans
that
are
the
historic
plans
that
we
do
have
copies
of
we're
trying
to
bring
everything
back
as
close
as
we
can
possibly
do
it
to
the
original
vision
of
the
original
landscape
architect,
while
at
the
same
time
proposing
and
requesting
some
slight
adjustments
that
will
meet
the
needs
of
the
current
owner
and
I'll
address.
The
first
one,
the
Terrace
area,
we
call
it
the
Garden
Terrace
that
is
at
the
back
of
the
home.
O
This
is
the
garden
that
all
of
the
owners,
friends
and
family
will
be
using
to
access
the
home.
It's
also
where
the
owners
will
be
spending
all
of
their
time
outside.
There's,
not
a
lot
of
level
area
level.
Ground
space
on
this
property
in
the
courtyard
is
sized
in
a
way
that
it's
it's
perfect
for
intimate
Terror,
a
Garden
Terrace
it's
about
25
by
18
feet.
The
concept
with
the
original
landscape
plan
was
that
this
was
to
truly
be
a
garden
area.
O
It
was
a
rectangle,
it
had
garden
beds
on
the
outside
a
paved
path,
rectangle
and
then
in
the
center,
a
a
rectangular
planting
of
a
mix
of
unusual
combinations
that
were
probably
in
favor
at
that
time,
as
Alex
mentioned,
the
garden
is
a
complete,
a
disarray
right
now
and
it's
when
it
was
installed.
It
was
never
properly
graded.
There's
unusual
slopes,
there's
no
adequate
subsurface
drainage
to
meet
the
needs
of
today.
The
intent
of
this
space
is
to
follow
the
original
concept,
and
that
is
to
create
a
true
Garden
Terrace
in
this
space.
O
It's
maintaining
the
exact
same
shape.
The
planting
beds
along
the
house
remain
the
same,
but
in
the
center
the
the
areas
proposed
to
be
a
gravel.
This
is
a
gravel
that's
currently
at
the
owner's
historic
home
in
Grove
Park,
and
it's
just
a
Copper,
River
standard,
gravel
kind
of
a
warm
gray.
That's
really
good
underfoot
and
stable,
and
we
can
pass
this
around.
O
As
Alex
mentioned,
this
could
easily
be
converted
back
and
a
rectangular
planting
bed
in
the
middle
I
think
that
what
will
also
help
meet
the
spirit
of
the
landscape
plan
is
that
the
owner
has
a
collection
of
really
nice
outdoor
containers
that
will
be
planted
or
installed
around
this
area
and
filled
with
plantings
and
we'll
really
just
bring
this
to
a
state
that
has
never
experienced.
So
that's
the
concept
behind
the
Garden
Terrace,
the
I
think
there
were
concerns
about
the
height
of
the
fence,
that's
being
proposed,
the
fence
itself
is
actually
four
feet.
O
If
you
look
closely
at
the
detail,
it's
a
four
foot
fence,
that's
got
a
French
detail
on
it
and
then
it's
the
post,
the
French,
detailed,
new
old
post
that
actually
reaches
five
feet
and
we'll
be
glad
to
adjust
that
bring
that
down
to
needed.
But
the
fence
itself
is
four
feet
around
the
proposed
vegetable
kitchen
Garden.
O
O
The
owner
currently
as
I
mentioned,
lives
nearby
and
doesn't
have
problems
with
Garden
Critters,
so
she's,
confident
that
with
some
raised
beds,
there's
not
going
to
be
an
issue
there
and
then
I
think
you
had
a
question
Mr
Hornady
about
the
parking
pad.
We
had
discussed
that
originally
in
the
project.
The
owner
has
decided
not
to
try
to
redo
that
Pat
at
this
time.
It's
in
good
condition,
so
that
that
would
remain
the
same.
As
indicated
on
the
plans.
O
There
was
a
question
about
the
rear
entrance
into
the
existing
door.
Where
we're
needing
to
demolish
the
steps
going
up
and
put
a
new
stoop,
it's
an
unsafe
condition
right
now.
It's
three
steps
up
and
you're
immediately
in
the
house.
The
owner
needs
a
safe
three
foot,
Landing
that
paving
material
will
be
the
same,
paving
material
that
is
used
on
the
other
Paving
in
the
front.
So
we're
trying
to
unify
and
limit
there's
like
five
different
types
of
stone
and
concrete
out
there
right
now.
O
It
all
of
that
has
got
to
be
demolished
because
it's
just
in
disrepair
and
it's
got
a
lot
of
water
damage.
Obviously,
it's
going
to
be
repaired
based
on
the
original
plans.
The
color
of
the
brick
was
mentioned
earlier.
The
the
Brick
surrounding
this
Terrace,
we
think,
is
one
of
the
Salvage
items
they
may
have
found
it's
a
really
garish
red
brick,
but
there's
a
beautiful,
warm
brick,
that's
built
into
the
structure
of
the
home.
O
That's
you
can
see
at
the
Terrace
and
that's
the
color
and
style
of
the
brick
that
that
we
think
was
the
original
intention
by
the
architect,
so
we're
trying
to
unify
materials
and
reduce
all
these
weird
colors,
the
stone
that
is
being
proposed
for
the
that
front.
Terrace
is
not
what
is
there
now
I
believe?
What
is
there
now
again
was
another
Salvage
item,
because
it
doesn't
show
up
anywhere
else
on
the
site
and
it's
a
really
thin
slate,
which
is
not
good
for
using
in
our
climate.
O
We
really
we
need
a
really
solid
inch
and
a
half
two
inch
thick
stone
and
a
good
mortar
joint,
so
this
will
be
there
for
the
next
couple
of
hundred
years.
The
stone
that
we're
proposing
is
a
stone.
That's
used
all
you
know
throughout
Albemarle,
Park
and
other
historic
districts
in
town,
and
it
is
a
warm
gray,
Crab
Orchard
or
we
haven't
finalized
this
or
a
traditional
Pennsylvania
blue
stone,
which
is
more
of
a
gray
shade.
It
says
it's
called
Blue
Stone,
but
I'm
sure
you're
all
familiar
with
it.
O
What
what
those
materials
like
they're
used
all
over
the
neighborhood,
very
traditional,
very
classic
and
I-
think
very
appropriate.
There's.
You
know
detailing
unusual
detailing
in
that
Terrace
with
materials
that
are
shown
on
the
original
architecture
plans.
The
owner
is
committed
to,
after
the
demolition
of
the
terrorists,
going
back
in
and
re-detailing
that
just
like
the
plan,
so
there's
a
high
level
of
commitment
here
to
follow
that
I
think
that's
it
for
a
site.
Unless
anybody
has
any
questions
for
for
me,.
O
So
both
of
the
walkways
that
go
from
the
driveway
up
to
the
house
obviously
need
to
be
repaired,
replaced
that
stone
will
it'll,
be
a
veneer
Stone
on
a
concrete
stair
foundation,
and
it
will
be
the
same
color
and
same
material.
That
stone
is
a
readily
available
local
Stone
I.
Don't
think
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
reuse
the
stone.
That's
there
now,
because
it's
just
not
good
stone
for
building
steps.
It's
all
kinds
of
different
sizes
and
Heights
and
a
lot
of
the
sizes
are
really
small.
I
was
sort
of
stacked.
O
No
it's
just
small,
it's
small
or
regular
Stone,
and
it's
just
not.
You
can't
create
a
safe
stairway
out
of
it,
but
because
the
vast
majority
of
all
the
stone
retaining
walls
that
you
would
see
right
there
we're
trying
to
blend
into
those
existing
walls,
we're
going
to
be
blending
in
with
the
same
exact,
color
and
type
of
stone,
we're
just
making
it
safe,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
rebuild
them.
B
O
O
O
It's
really
hard
to
tell
because
it's
so
incredibly
overgrown,
but
when
I
saw
it
before
anything
was
done
to
just
remove
it's.
It's
been
overrun
with
invasive
plants,
unfortunately,
just
literally
no
care,
so
there
are
no
visible
signs
of
original
shrubs.
The
only
plants
that
appear
to
be
original
are
the
overgrown
you
that
are
in
the
front
of
the
house
that
are
towering,
we're
towering
in
front
of
the
house
and
were
planted
way
too
close,
but
there's
no
original
plantings
that
are
visible
in
the
back.
O
P
P
We
worked
on
the
Kenilworth
Inn
and
we're
working
on
the
snowboard
Lodge,
so
we
were
very
excited
when
Miss
weltzel
reached
out
to
us
and
wanted
us
to
help
with
this
project,
and
this
is
an
interesting
project
because
she
has
wanted
to
own
this
house
for
many
many
years
and
she
now
owns
it
and
wants
it
to
be
her
forever
home.
So
some
of
the
requests
we're
making
are
because
she
wants
to
live
in
it
for
the
long
haul.
P
In
regards
to
the
kitchen
cabinets,
they
have
been
moved
so
they're,
not
in
their
original
spot,
they're
just
in
the
kitchen,
but
they're
not
attached
to
the
floor,
so
they've
already
been
moved
from
where
they
originally
were,
and
the
sh
and
shippo
did
a
report
about
the
interior
and
did
not
prioritize
things.
So
it
was
kind
of
hard
from
our
perspective
to
decide.
What
mattered
most
so
we
made
some
executive
decisions
on
that
the
lights.
There
are
some
questions
about
the
lights.
P
Some
of
the
lights
are
missing,
there's
some
sconces
that
are
no
longer
there
and
the
the
safety
of
the
lights
is
in
question.
They
get
hot
when
they're
turned
on
and
they're
old
and
there's
just
some
concern
with
that,
but
the
owner
does
want
to
replace
the
lights
with
something
that
looks
as
close
to
what's
there
as
possible
that
broom
closet
at
the
top
of
the
stairs
not
coming
out
it's
going
to
stay
the
new
copper
roof
that
we're
proposing
over
that
door
on
the
side.
P
There
was
no
Attic
in
the
original
plans.
The
attic
was
not
in
the
original
drawings.
I
mean
attic
floor
plan.
There
was
an
attic,
but
it
was
just
that
it
was
just
an
attic,
so
the
stair
was
added
in
maybe
the
70s
or
something
and
the
opening
was
added.
Then
the
opening
that
is
there
for
the
circular
stair
is
about
it's
a
square,
the
size
of
the
circle.
A
D
A
D
Burden
lies
with
the
applicant
to
demonstrate
compliance
with
the
standards.
Now
the
standards
specifically
say
that
distinctive
features
finishes
and
construction
techniques
or
examples
of
craftsmanship
that
characterize
the
property
shall
be
preserved,
so
I
think
it's
I
noticed
and
maybe
I
I
missed
something,
but
I
noticed
that
there
was
no
material
in
the
application
package
that
demonstrated
how
removal
of
original
features
complied
with
that
standard
or
other
applicable
standards.
So,
in
other
words
assessing
whether
or
not
light
fixtures
were
considered
distinctive
character-defining
features
in
the
in
the
designation
report.
D
D
D
P
The
front
door
is
going
to
be
kept
and
refurbished
the
side
door.
That's
going
to
have
the
roof
over,
it
is
a
non-original
door
and
it
is
a
severely
deteriorated.
Okay,
so
and
then
one
of
the
doors,
the
glass
doors
on
the
back
of
the
house,
that's
the
only
other
one,
because
the
two
double
doors
I
meant
to
mention
this
in
the
kitchen
that
we're
removing
and
putting
windows
that
was
originally
windows.
So
those
are
not
original
doors
either.
P
B
And
I
think
that
may
be
the
thing
that
concerns
me
the
most
about
the
application
or
some
of
those
things
that
are
going
to
be
removed
and
I
think
in
similar
applications
where
we've
had
folks
that
have,
for
example,
come
and
said.
We
need
to
replace
all
the
windows
in
our
property.
We
have
looked
to
evaluation
reports
and
other
things
to
help
justify
that
the
existing
Windows
can't
be
restored
and
need
to
be
replaced
instead
and
I.
B
The
way
we
live
currently
and
so
I
would
love
to
see
some
evaluation
of
that
I
think
to
help
either
support
your
approach
or
to
give
us
some
option
to
reconsider
the
approach
and
to
be
able
to
restore
existing
light
fixtures
to
be
safe
and
to
be
modern
and
to
be
all
those
things,
but
I
think
that
might
be.
The
big
thing
for
me
is
losing
some
of
that
from
the
existing
house.
Even
if
we
keep
it
in
the
basement
right,
it
feels
like
some
we've.
D
I
have
a
I,
have
a
question
about
removal
and
Storage
and
I,
don't
know
who
this
question
should
be
directed
to,
if
maybe
it
should
be
directed
to
Legal
staff
if
something
is
removed,
if
something
is
taken
out
of
its
or
it's
Loca,
it's
physical
location,
either
a
light
fixture
or
a
cabinet
in
the
kitchen,
and
it
is
placed
in
storage,
on-site
or
off-site.
Is
it's
later
disposition
subject
to
review
by
this
body,
or
does
it
basically
become?
B
B
H
Is
pretty
I
struggle
with
this
I
understand
the
modern
demands
and
I
get
a
lot
of
the
kitchen
what's
happening,
but
the
the
applicant-
and
it
was
just
two
years
ago-
was
pretty
specific
about
the
interior
of
the
house,
wants
to
be
included
and
there's
not
much
preserve
a
character
overall
character.
That's
remaining
of
the
original
structure.
That's
that's!.
C
So
what
it's
worth
that
I'm
not
say
she
shouldn't
have,
but
the
previous
owner
who
went
through
the
designation
process,
she
was
elderly
and
didn't
quite
seem
to
understand
all
the
moving
parts
that
happened
with
the
historic
designation,
I
would
say
and
that
again
not
to
say
that
she
shouldn't
have
included
the
entire
interior
or
you
know,
in
the
features
on
the
interior.
I'm
just
saying
maybe
was
maybe
had
been
a
different
applicant.
It
might
not
have
been.
C
Have
to
look,
maybe
the
Beaufort
Lodge
I
can
look
on
our
throat
we're
not
supposed
to
rain
because
we're
talking
about
we
haven't
had
in
my
time
at
the
city
that
obviously
haven't
been
here
forever,
but
I,
don't
can't
think
of
any
other
interior
or
residential
houses
like
this.
That
I
haven't
had
any.
You
know
substantial
upgrades
over
the
years,
so
we've
been
became
part
of
it
well,.
B
I
think
at
the
time
that
was
one
of
the
you
know,
that
was
a
standout
as
we
reviewed
that
application
and
toured
the
house
was
that
there
had
been
very
little
in
the
way
of
interior
stuff.
That
happened,
I
think
well,
I'm
I,
don't
quite
go
as
far
as
you
do.
Probably
in
that
with
the
you
know,
light
fixtures
feel
like
a
big
part
of
where
my
sticking
point
is
in
terms
of
retaining
those
things.
B
J
B
Is
I
think
inside
of
those
rooms
we
see
a
little
bit
of
the
wall
demolition,
but
if
you
were
to
walk
up
to
this
upstairs
in
the
second
floor,
I
think
you'd
see
largely
what
you're
going
to
see
from
now
to
when
it's
finished
and
to
really
find
those
places
where
those
changes
are
happening.
You
have
to
really
kind
of
wander
through
the
house
and
very
very
close
ways
to
see
the
impact
that
it's
having
and
so
I.
Think.
Fundamentally,
the
structure
of
the
floor
plan
stays
a
little
bit
the
same.
B
F
Well,
I
think
I've
made
slightly
disagree
with
Cherokee,
just
because
I
feel,
like
some
of
the
main
character
in
these
historic
homes
comes
from
the
historic
layout.
You
know
the
way
they
were
designed
to
function
during
that
time
period,
there's
a
whole
lot
more
leeway
with
things
that
haven't
been
designated
as
landmarks,
especially
on
the
interior,
which
I
think
I
mean
it's
difficult,
but
I
think
it
holds
us
to
a
lot
stricter
standard
when
it
would
come
to
changing.
F
You
know
the
the
way
the
the
home
was
designed
at
the
time,
the
the
wall
configurations
so
and
things
like
the
kitchen
where
those
openings
are
being
widened
and
the
arch
is
being
added
where
it
was
originally
just
doors.
I
I
have
a
desire
to
instead
see
them.
You
know,
retain
the
door
openings,
remove
the
doors
but
keep
the
traditional
layout
of
the
space.
F
F
A
F
H
A
H
F
K
B
C
The
layout
thanks,
you
know
we
have
the
original
building
plan
so
I
think
either
the
commission
is
comfortable
with
them,
making
some
changes
to
the
anterior
layout
or
they're,
not
because
it's
partially
intact,
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
how
the
applicant
would
go
beyond
providing
international
floor
plans
because
that's
for
you
in
general
yeah,
but
and
that
they
are
I
mean
and
I
I.
Thank
you
for
bringing
up
change.
C
Charged
openings
I
think
that's
important
part
of
the
changes
and
I
agree
that
as
George
was
staying
the
same
as
a
better
option,
but
I
think
to
to
your
point,
commissioner:
McDonald.
The
first
floor
is
largely
retaining
floor
plan
and
then
the
second
are
I
guess
you
could
consider
them
to
be
more
private
spaces
and
do
you
you
know,
do
you
have
you
know
serious
concerns
about
converting
a
veterans.
C
F
Something
that
may
help
us
be
able
to
determine,
what's
character,
defining
and
what's
not
is
like
I
know
that
you
know
Commissioners
are
usually
get
to
go
and
see
the
outside
of
the
properties.
This
is
one
of
the
first
ones
that
I've
you
know
sat
in
that
there's
actually
an
interior
to
consider
too,
would
it
be
possibly
think
for
the
Commissioners
to
see
the
interior
in
order
to
help
help
us
assess
yes,.
B
B
The
unusualness
of
having
so
much
of
the
Interiors
designated
I
think
there's
a
real
opportunity
for
us
to
to
look
at
it
on
site.
I
think
that
would
be
of
some
value.
I
think
it
would
be.
You
know,
along
with
some
consideration
of
some
of
the
things
that
have
come
up
as
a
course
of
the
conversation
retaining
existing
door
openings
on
the
first
floor
around
the
kitchen.
B
B
Of
our
time,
communicating
and
talking
about
is
the
interior
I
feel
really
pretty
comfortable
with
the
exterior
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
this
house
is
having
seen
it
a
couple
of
years
ago.
It's
lovely-
and
it's
a
really
it's
a
treasure
in
this
in
this
community
and
to
have
someone
willing
to
put
the
time
and
energy
and
investment
into
improving
it.
I
think
is
the
house
is
lucky
to
have
an
owner.
That's
willing
to
do
that
in
this
case,
and
it's
certainly
I
didn't
see
anything
on
the
exterior
of
the
building.
B
L
N
C
P
First
off
I
do
want
I,
want
you
to
keep
in
mind
that
this
is
this,
is
someone's
house
and
that
the
kitchen
used
to
be
a
servant's
kitchen,
and
it
was
laid
out
originally
for
that
sort
of
use
which
is
not
applicable
anymore,
and
there
are
other
character
defining
things
that
we
are
definitely
keeping
intact.
The
main
stairway,
all
the
windows,
all
the
trim,
there's
lots,
that's
being
removed,
yes,
radiators
and
things
like
that,
but
I
do
want
to
keep
all
that
in
mind.
Judith
just
had
some
questions
about.
If
you
about.
I
R
Did
I
was
way
in
the
back.
I
might
not
have
been
on
video
yeah
right
right.
I
want
to
assure
you
that
we
care
deeply
about
the
house
that
I
care
about
the
history
of
the
house
and
have
every
intention
to
do
well
by
that
Michael
and
I
do
my.
We
do
want
to
live
in
it
as
a
family.
We
have
four
children
that
we've
raised
in
Asheville
and,
as
I
do
think
about
the
history
of
the
house.
R
One
of
the
things
that
struck
me
when
we
got
the
what's
it
called
the
materials
on
buying
the
home
was
that
it
could
not
be
sold.
Originally,
it
was
not
to
be
sold
to
a
pursuit
of
color
in
our
neighborhood,
and
so
we
asked
our
attorneys
to
have
that
removed
so
that
that
wouldn't
be
carried
forward
in
Green's
plans
for
the
house.
R
It
says
on
the
bedroom
in
the
basement
and
across
the
kitchen,
servant's
kitchen,
and
it
says
servant's
bedroom
in
the
basement,
and
so
what
I
do
want
to
say
is
that
there's
some
things
in
history
that
we
don't
want
to
carry
forward
and
that
need
to
be
transformed
for
how
we
live.
And
so
we
want
to
honor
the
house,
but
we're
not
going
to
live
in
the
house
with
servant.
R
People
we're
a
family,
that's
going
to
live
in
a
house,
and
we
want
to
honor
the
history
and
the
spirit
of
the
house,
but
we're
not
living
with
the
social
values,
with
separate
doors
and
entrances
that
people
one
class
of
people
came
in
and
another
everybody
is
going
to
come
into
our
house
and
everybody
is
invited
to
be
in
the
kitchen
and
I
expect
my
children
to
work
in
the
kitchen
and
not
someone
else's
story
in
the
kitchen.
Alongside
of
me,
so
that's
that's
my
spirit
with
that.
R
R
So
I
think
there
is
some
really
good
possibilities
of
holding
to
the
original
intentions
and
in
a
few
places,
making
it
deeply
more
functional
for
us
to
live
and
breathe
and
and
live
in
the
home
because
it
wasn't
bought
as
a
museum
piece
it
we
bought
it
to
live
in
it
and
and
wanted
both
honor.
It
deeply
care
for
it.
We
intend
to
pass
it
on
to
our
children
and
and
honor
what
it
is,
so
that
yeah,
that's
where
we're
at
with
it.
N
I'm
Jeff
Dalton
I'm,
an
architect
with
Warehouse,
Architects
and
I'm,
really
glad
Judith
spoke
she's
going
to
spend
a
bloody
fortune
on
this
house
and
you're
lucky
she's.
Here
there
are
very
few
people
would
buy
this
house
she's
brave
enough
to
take
it
on
we're
we're
taking
French
doors
out
of
the
kitchen,
putting
back
windows
shown
on
the
original
plans.
N
We
want
to
replace
two
doors
they're
in
the
back.
No
one
will
ever
see
them
from
the
street.
No
one
will
ever
know
those
doors
in
the
back.
Have
Plexiglas
nailed
to
them
to
try
to
keep
the
cold
air
out
the
one
going
into
the
kitchen
is
so
rotted
we're
doing
things
to
put
some
things
back,
and
we
want
a
little
bit
of
consideration
on
other
things
that
the
house
is
going
to
look
fantastic
and
light.
Fixtures
I
have
old
light
fixtures
in
my
house.
They
flicker
they
burn
hot.
N
If
anyone
in
here
has
fixtures
in
their
house
from
you
may
have
1926
pictures
in
your
house.
Does
anybody
have
196
year
old
fixtures
in
their
house,
they're,
reversible
things
in
a
historic
project?
As
you
well
know,
you
can
put
awnings
on
the
Grove
Arcade
and
take
them
off,
but
this
woman
is
doing
a
gonna.
Do
a
fantastic
job.
It's
not
a
museum,
it's
her
home
and
the
thing
she
mentioned
about
the
social
aspects.
N
N
And
there
are
doors
that
won't
open
on
the
second
floor,
they're
jammed
shot
and
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
fix
that
door.
But
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
the
original
floor
plan
is
intact.
We're
not
we're
not
changing,
trim
we're
not
moving
walls,
we're
enlarging
what
was
called
The
Powder
Room,
which
only
had
a
sink,
but
it
will
have
a
toilet
in
the
sink
now
and
let's
not
nitpick
this,
let's
make
it.
We
are
doing
everything
we've
taken
into
great
we've
researched
it.
N
N
R
May
I
say
one
more
thing
about
the
light:
fixtures
they're,
not
all
there,
so
some
of
them
are
not
on
site.
So
there's
some
places
where
I
think
there
was
a
sconce
and
they're
gone
and
there's
some
rooms
where
there
was
probably
an
original
light
fixture
that
matches
the
rest
of
the
house
and
it's
been
replaced
by
a
ceiling
fan
in
the
70s
or
80s.
So
we
also
don't
have
them
throughout
the
house,
so
I
would
like
them
to
be
continuous
and
so
that
that's
the
other
piece
I'd
say
about
the
light.
I
P
B
B
N
B
There
have
been
examples
Alex,
where
we've
had
pieces
of
the
work
that
they've
they've
excluded
from
the
request,
based
on
the
feedback
and
conversations
we're
getting
getting
pool
in
Montford.
For
example,
or
you
know,
portions
I
see
a
maybe
a
clear
line
between
the
interior
and
the
exterior
for
you.
N
C
A
C
C
C
B
G
C
K
C
A
C
I
B
C
F
C
C
O
O
H
B
B
A
B
B
B
B
A
I
A
O
F
F
F
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
May
commence.
Two,
the
secretary
of
the
Interiors
standards
for
rehabilitation,
specifically
the
standards
for
masonry,
Windows
entrances
and
porches
spaces
features
and
finishes
site
and
setting
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
F
A
interior
features
proposed
for
alteration,
replacement
or
removal
are
not
character,
defining
features
the
existing
original
kitchen
cabinetry,
scratch
that
see
interior
floor
plan
of
attic
will
not
be
radically
altered.
D
windows
and
doors
to
be
replaced
are
damaged.
Okay,
scratch
that
character,
defining
features
of
the
site
and
setting
are
being
retained
and
preserved.
I
A
C
S
C
I
would
say
that
is
the
definition
of
commitment,
so
thank
you
for
joining
us
for
sure,
okay,
so
the
second
application
we're
looking
at
today,
70
Cherokee
Road.
This
application
has
sorry.
This
application
has
a
few
different
things
also,
but
I'm
going
to
try
to
move
through
this
one
pretty
quickly,
because
it's
not
that
complicated.
C
So
I
was
initially
noting
that
as
a
concern,
but
it
sounds
like
Michael
Logan
was
the
restoration
specialist
who
looked
looked
at
this
and
he
does
a
lot
of
restaurant
wood
window
Restoration
in
our
area
and
I
feel
like
there
was
at
least
one
window
that
was
not
original
or
two
windows
perhaps,
and
they
are
not
really
suitable
for
living
space.
The
one
thing
I
would
note
is
that
there's
six
light
windows
and
what's
being
proposed
I
believe,
is
four
light
windows
and
I'm.
C
Not
when
I
looked
at
the
Pella
manufacturer
specifications
it
looked
like
they
were
an
aluminum
Cloud
product
and
the
commission
hasn't
allowed
anything
but
wood
as
replacement
windows
and
historic
structures.
So
I
would
just
point
that
out
there
are
kind
of
hard
to
see,
but
these
are
some
of
the
representative
windows.
So
you
see
the
top
left.
There's
the
casement
windows
on
the
base,
basement
elevation
and
then
on.
The
bottom
left
is
a
window.
C
That's
actually
it's
on
the
west
facing
elevation
of
the
house
where
they
constructed,
which
I'll
get
to
this
in
a
second,
but
they
constructed
an
addition
at
some
point.
That
now
is
a
porch
on
the
side
elevation
that
you
can
see
that
the
roof
comes
down
in
front
of
the
window,
so
they
are
proposing
to
change
that
and
I
just
got
the
perspective
renderings
today
that
show
what
they're
proposing
for
that
window
and
it's
a
two
like
a
two
by
two
or
one
by
one.
C
It's
a
two
light
window,
but
it
looks
very
contemporary
to
me
and
I
just
saw
it
today
so
that
I
I
think
should
be
more
of
a
traditional
window
form
that's
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
windows
on
this
house.
What
you're,
looking
at
on
the
right
hand,
side
some
really
interesting
doors
that
are
there's
one
on
either
side
of
the
house
at
the
basement
level
and,
as
you
can
see,
they're,
not
historic
in
any
way
and
I.
Think
one
of
them
is
metal.
The
other
one
I,
don't
even
know
what
what
it
is.
C
They're
both
have
lattice
over
them
now.
So
that's.
Why
there's
the
picture
of
the
exterior,
so
they
are
proposing
to
replace
those
as
well
I'm
with
new
wood
doors
and
the
other
part
of
the
application
is,
you
can
see
in
the
photo
there's
the
side,
porch
That's
existing
and
initially,
when
I
met
with
the
applicant
I.
You
know
read
that
was
looking
at
the
standards
for
porch
enclosure,
but
then
I
learned
in
my
review
that
it's
not
an
original
porch.
C
It
actually
was
built
as
an
addition
and
in
your
packet
there's
the
old
CA
application
from
I
forget
what
year,
maybe
15
or
so
years
ago,
where
they
propose
changing
the
addition
to
having
and
being
an
open
porch,
and
so
now
they
want
to
go
back
to
the
enclosed
area,
and
so
I've
noted
on
my
staff
report
that
I
don't
also
don't
think
that
the
administration
proposed
for
the
enclosure
is
really
consistent
with
the
architectural
style
of
the
house.
I
think
that
it
should
they
should.
C
The
windows
should,
at
the
very
least,
have
divided
lights,
to
be
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
windows
on
the
house
and
I.
Didn't
include
them
in
my
presentation,
because
I
got
them
right
before
the
meeting,
but
there
are,
like
I,
said
perspective
renderings
in
your
packet
that
have
that
have
the
the
proposed
Administration.
Let
me
let
me
pull
those
up
really
quickly.
C
So
that's
there
aren't
any
Windows
proposed
on
the
back
of
it,
but
that's
looking
at
it
from
from
the
side,
so
I
think
that
the
administration
needs
to
be
redesigned
to
be
more
consistent
with
the
overall
structure
overall
Administration
on
the
house,
and
then
also
you
see
those
the
the
two
light
window.
Next
to
that,
little
bump
out
is
where
that
double
hung
window
is
currently
that
they
want
to
replace,
which
I
understand.
C
It's
not
really
operable
the
way
that
it
is
now
but
I,
don't
think
that
Windows
style
is
appropriate
when
I
do
want
to
say
when
I
first
met
with
the
applicant,
he
mentioned
that
they
wanted
to
install
a
shed
in
the
rear
yard
and
I.
Didn't
we
never
received
any
plans
for
that,
and
today
was
submitted
to
me
a
perspective
rendering
in
here
for
a
shed
and
I've
advised
the
applicant
that
we
have
to
advertise
for
this.
So
we
we
it's
kind
of
like
the
other
application
in
a
way
either.
C
C
I
think
we
got
what
we
needed
for
the
photographs
the
existing
and
proposed
elevations.
The
other
thing,
I
would
say
is
typically,
we
required
scaled
drawings
and
we
don't
have
any
of
that
at
a
minimum
to
even
look
at
the
shed.
Even
if
we
had
included
in
our
legal
ad.
We
don't
have
the
right
information
to
review
that
and
we've
got
the
conditions,
assessment
for
the
windows
and
I
put
the
manufacturer
specs
for
the
windows
and
doors
I.
C
Think
I
had
those
after
I
wrote
my
report,
but
I
again,
I
do
want
to
look
at
the
Pella
window
product
that
they
sent
us
when
I
went
on
their
website.
It
said
aluminum
clad.
They
just
included
the
quote
in
their
application
packet,
but
I
looked
at
the
product
on
pella's
website
and
they
were
not
wood.
F
F
C
C
Hey
Avery,
will
you
fix
the
so
yeah?
We
really
need
more
specific
information
and
I
think
probably
best
to
continue
it
to
the
next
meeting,
so
that
all
the
plans
and
everything
can
be
matched
completely
dialed
into
what
we're
looking
at,
because
it
was
hard
to
do
the
review
without
having
all
the
exact
information
needed.
So.
E
C
C
And
I
did
also
to
just
FYI
two
neighbors
reached
out
to
me
to
recommend
support
of
their
or
give
offer
support
for
the
approval
of
the
application
and
they're
a
very
generalized
comments
and
support
they
weren't
tied
back
to
the
standards,
but
they
are,
those
are
in
your
packet
as
well.
I
did
let
them
know
that
technically
people
are
supposed
to
be
present
in
person
to
get
public
comment
to
you
and
I.
Don't
know
if
either
of
those
people
are
here,
but
just
a
FY
that
those
were
added
to
your
packet.
Also.
C
M
So
the
window
should
be
all
wood,
we're
pretty
familiar
with
the
requirements,
so
the
doors
and
the
windows
should
be
all
wood
from
the
inside
the
outside,
sometimes
in
the
bathroom
I,
have
to
look
if
you
put
vinyl
just
because
of
the
moisture,
but
if
that
is
a
condition,
I
mean
not
on
the
outside
being
vital
but
on
the
inside.
But
if
that's
a
good
issue
for
us
to
have
that
wood
also,
we
can
see
what
we
could
do
about
placement
and
so
forth.
M
All
the
windows
will
have
the
similar
grilles,
so
it
will
be
two
by
twos
I'm
noticing
some
in
the
elevations
they're
different,
but
in
that
packet
you
should
see
it
on
the
pillow
specifications.
It
should
have
all
the
grills
on
there
for
us
and
everything
like
that.
It's
all
going
to
match
the
existing
house.
What's
already
there
we're
not
going
to
do
no
grills
or
modern
windows
or
anything
like
that,
but
if
it's
easier,
because
the
elevations
are
kind
of
being
a
little
confusing,
we
can
get
everything
together
for
you
and
resend
it.
M
I
just
would
hate
to
have
a
continuation
from
that
I'll
try
to
see
if
I
can
find
the
the
posts
or
actually
old,
Locus
posts,
and
there
are
probably
anywhere
from
six
to
eight
inches
in
diameter
and
they
are
on
what
we
we
don't
really
know
if
they're
on
Footers,
but
they
do
have
concrete
stone
and
it
is
cemented
together,
so
they're
not
loose
stacked
or
anything
like
that.
I'll
see
if
I
can
find
pictures
here
to
kind
of
show.
You.
M
They're
two
by
tens
or
two
by
twelves,
floor
joists
and
then
the
they're
supporting
they
also
have
the
little
vertical
bracing
as
well.
So
you
have
the
locus
you
have
the
vertical
bracing.
Basing
that
I
believe
permitting
would
allow
us
there
I,
don't
think
they
would
allow
us
to
You
Know
cover
any
Footers
or
anything
like
that.
I
mean
it's
holding
the
deck.
It
was
an
enclosed
porch
at
one
time.
M
A
lot
of
these
times
we're
doing
these
I
mostly
do
historic
homes,
and
when
we
do
these,
you
know
we
see
two
by
six
Rafters
in
the
end,
this
is
not
like
that
or
two
by
fours
running
20
spans.
This
is
a
pretty
solid
home.
Here's
some
of
the
windows
this.
These
are
the
ones
that
we
were
talking
about.
M
M
M
And
we're
also
trying
this
is
a
a
smaller
project
for
us.
We
also
didn't
want
to
get
a
full
architect
involved.
We
just
had
a
drafter
gather
that
together,
because
we're
basically
going
with
the
existing
footprint
that
that
we
have
so
we're
just
basically
going
to
enclose
this
porch
and
then
the
downstairs
we're
just
going
to
finish
it
in
the
basement.
M
The
shed
is
fine
to
have
a
probably
a
separate
thing,
because
we,
the
client
one
of
the
clients,
is
pregnant
and
it's
coming
up
pretty
quick.
So
we
want
to
try
to
get
all
the
banging
and
the
noise
and
dust
as
much
as
we
can
out
of
her
way.
So
we're
happy
to
separate
that
and
get
this
kind
of
going
and
all
the
dust
out
of
her
of
her
face.
M
H
M
M
Think
you
guys,
if
anyone's
here
from
that
time,
you
guys
approved
to
open
it
back
up
and
now
we're
gonna
close
it
again,
but
for
some
reason
in
1960
when
they
built
it,
they
built
it
with
the
window
kind
of
like
maybe
about
I,
don't
know
six
to
eight
inches
of
the
window,
kind
of
being
right
there
on
the
Eve.
And
so
when
you
look
out
the
window,
it's
you
actually
see
the
roof
coming
in
into
the
window,
and
it
makes
it
kind
of
impossible.
M
Well
and
then,
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
we
thought
well,
let's
make
the
window
a
little
bit
more
functional,
so
we're
going
to
do
more
of
an
awning
window
there,
similar
Grid
or
whatever
it
might
be.
So
that
way
she
could
have
a
little
bit
more
kitchen
space,
not
a
full
double
hung
window.
Tell
me
what
an
awning
window
is
it's
more
like.
It
opens
like
this.
Okay.
M
L
M
M
J
A
C
H
M
H
T
B
B
T
What's
there
and
what
we
would
really
do
is
flip
that
to
its
side,
and
unfortunately,
this
rendering
doesn't
show
the
I
guess
you're,
calling
them
lights
or
sort
of
grids
that
it
would
have
so
it'd
be.
It
could
be
more
to
fit
the
house,
but
it
would
flip
horizontal
instead
of
vertical,
because
what
that
picture
doesn't
show
very
accurately
is
that
that,
as
you
saw
in
the
first
picture,
is
cutting.
T
M
A
A
I
B
I
think
that
to
Alex's
Point
having
a
packet
put
together,
that
really
does
show
exactly
what
the
intent
is
with
some
dimensioning
and
the
and
some
images
that
look
consistent
with
what
you're,
proposing
I
think
is
going
to
really
help.
This
commission
be
very
clear
about
what
we're
approving
in
a
way
that
I
think
some
of
us
are
a
little
bit
struggling
with
in
terms
of
what's
been
submitted
so
far,
just.
M
A
C
C
Something-
and
the
other
thing
I
would
say,
is
that
there's
shouldn't
be
any
vinyl
included
in
the
application
and
then
also
I,
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
go
with
a
four
Light
Window,
because
they're
replacing
six
light
windows
and
so
I
yeah
I
mean
essentially
where
we
are
now.
It's
like
I,
don't
think,
there's
necessarily
a
problem
with
the
proposal,
except
for
that
we're
sort
of
looking
at
conceptual
plans.
B
And
some
inconsistencies
and
some
of
this
and
you
know,
I-
think
the
specification
inconsistencies
are
easily
to
follow
up
with
as
a
condition.
But
when
we've
got
all
of
the
plans,
are
your
word
for
it?
It's
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge,
I
think
for
us
as
a
commission
to
know
how
to
really
approve
what
we're
gonna.
What
you're
gonna
do
right.
T
B
Yeah
I
mean
and
I
and
I
understand
what
I
think
you're
asking,
which
is
for
you
to
describe
what
you
want
to
do
and
for
us
to
approve
it
yeah
and
that
really
we've
got
to
have
as
part
of
that
application.
The
accurate
information
and,
in
some
respects,
we've
done
that
in
minor
situations
where
there's
been
a
few
edits
required,
and
that
was
something
that
could
follow
up
later
for
staff
level
approval
and
we
would
vote
on
a
motion
in
this
particular
case.
B
I
think
there's
most
of
the
documents
need
to
be
updated
and
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
level
of
comfort
into
whether
or
not
Alex
would
be
comfortable,
approving
an
entire
major
work
packet,
essentially
with
new
information
in
it.
Without
any
further
involvement
of
the
commission
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
one.
C
Other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
window.
This
is
unique
to
Albemarle,
Park
and
I.
We
don't
review
a
lot
of
applications
in
this
neighborhood.
So
maybe
commissioner
Hornady
could
speak
to
this,
but
there
is
a
stipulation
for
Windows.
That's
a
slow
E-class.
It's
not
likely
to
make
new
window
products
that
don't
have
living
films.
C
B
C
T
I
and
I
can
I
update
what
I
think
we
really
would
do
and
could
work
visually
is
maybe
one
double
hung,
all
of
them,
the
six
all
of
them
to
match
the
same
kind
of
window,
but
a
one
on
the
front,
a
one
on
the
back
and
then
maybe
two
on
this
side.
That's
the
that's
the
west
facing
window,
and
it
just
seems
when
you
look
at
the
house
from
that
side.
It's
more
cohesive,
so.
K
B
Perspective
yeah
with
matching
lights
with
wood
windows
only
and
then
the
question
would
be
the
I
certainly
would
like
would
like
the
light,
the
lights
on
the
basement
windows
to
match.
What's
there
six
light
instead
of
four
light?
Okay
and
then
the
question
would
be
what
do
we?
What's
the
comfort
of
the
commission
with
the
kitchen
window,
that
would
be
same
lights
as
the
existing
that
are
like
this,
but
we
just
turn
it
sideways
and
scooch
it
out
of
the
way
of
the
of
the
roof.
F
B
T
H
M
M
T
C
C
H
T
C
I
I
C
A
T
T
T
I
mean
you
I,
guess
view
in
the
sense
that
like
you're
not
opening
up
much,
but
then
you
have
I,
don't
know
how
far
you'd
have
to
get
to
not
be
looking
at
it.
So
we
could
move
it
over
and
not
have
it
technically
blocked.
But
it's
still
a
gutter
view
like
you
still
are
literally
looking
into
The,
Gutter
and
you're.
Looking
at
at
the
roof,
it
seems
like
a
I,
don't
know
right.
A
B
I
think
I
would
be
especially
I.
Think,
given
the
you
know,
I
think
some
of
people
folks
are
struggling
a
little
bit
with
the
clarity
of
really
understanding
what's
happening
in
the
application
a
little
bit
and
we're
taking
your
you
know
we
can
visualize
to
some
extent
what
you're
describing
I
think
there's
would
probably
be
a
much
higher
level
of
Confidence
from
the
from
the
commission.
If
we
just
understood
you
were
moving
the
window
over.
B
I
B
Rewind
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
what
other
board
members
might
think
about
the
kitchen
window.
I'm
not
I,
feel
really
confident
about
the
window
spacing
you've
described
in
the
in
the
porch
enclosure
and
I'm,
certainly
comfortable
with
the
repairs
or
the
replacement
of
windows
and
doors
at
the
basement
level.
As
long
as
they're
going
to
match
in
terms
of
Lights,
obviously
we're
not
going
to
match
those
doors
that
are
there
we're
going
to
put
something
nice.
U
M
T
Yeah
this
is
me
down
close
to
the
house
also
from
further
away.
You
really
cannot
see
that
window
and
once
it's
enclosed
the
picture
that
I
took
where
you
could
see
that
window
was
in
my
neighbor's
backyard
at
the
back
of
her
property
line,
so
I
could
get
on
par
with
it.
So
the
visibility
of
this
window
really
is.
T
It
is
negligible,
like
it's
very.
If
you
wanted
to
see
this
house,
you
would
almost
have
to
go
to
the
property
behind
it.
I'm
in
this
window,
you've
got
to
go
to
the
property
behind
it
and
look
at
it,
which
is
what
I
did
from
that
angle
from
a
functionality
perspective.
The
other
benefit
for
me
of
moving
it
to
not
only
bring
some
light
into.
T
What's
a
very
dark
space
on
the
built
into
the
mountain
is
that
the
design
of
the
kitchen
is
such
that
half
of
the
window
is
blocked
interiorly
by
a
refrigerator
right
now,
because
there's
nowhere
else
to
put
it,
and
if
we
raised
it
so
right
now,
the
window
opens
to
here.
So
I
can't
put
I
can't
bring
a
kitchen
cabinet.
I
I
mean
I
counter
I.
Just
can't
really
use
the
space
so
right
now
it's
just
open
and
half
blocked
on
the
inside
by
a
refrigerator
half
blocked
on
the
outside
by
a
roof.
B
J
B
B
So
at
the
kitchen,
if
you're
looking
at
the
top,
the
kitchen
window
would
be
that
shape
and
orientation
with
the
eight
lights
that
are
indicative
of
the
existing
building
or
the
six
light,
whatever
they
are
in
the
photographs
six
lights.
So
these
are
shown
as
eight
lights
in
the
rendering,
but
it
would
be
a
six
Light
Window
oriented
horizontally.
That
is
essentially
the
proportion
of
the
existing
Windows
rotated
so
that
it
gets
up
out
of
the
way
of
the
refrigerator
and
the
mouthway
of
the
roof
is
what
they're
requesting.
B
C
K
B
B
L
C
B
C
The
standards
don't
say
that
you
can't
change
a
door
or
window
opening
on
an
elevation,
that's
not
a
type
one
or
the
type
Point
facade,
and
this
is
a
type
2,
facade
and
so
I
think
you
could
use
that
to
say-
and
you
could
say
to
your
point
in
the
reasons
like
because
this
addition
was
constructed
at
some
point
to
obstruct
the
window,
that
it
may
use
of
the
window.
A
practical
and
therefore
impacts.
B
F
M
A
F
Chair
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description,
three
pages
exhibit
B
photographs
of
subject
property.
14
pages
Exhibit
C
site
plan
exhibit
D
floor
plan
because
of
an
e-existing
front.
Elevation
exhibit
F
proposed
front
elevation,
exhibit
G
existing
perspective,
rendering
exhibit
h2005
CA
application
for
removal
of
non-original
side.
Edition
and
construction
of
porch
exhibit
I
1951
Sanborn
fire
Insurance
map
exhibit
J
photos
of
existing
doors.
Nine
Pages
received
January
5th
2023
exhibit
K
Window
and
Door
specifications.
Nine
Pages
received
January
6
2023
exhibit
L
additional
exterior
photos.
F
14
pages
received
January
6
2023
exhibit
M
letter
number
one
from
property
owner
at
67.
Cherokee
Road
received
January
9th
2023,
exhibit
n
letter
number
two
from
property
owner
at
60.
Cherokee
Road
received
January
10
2023
exhibit
o
prospective
renderings.
Eight
pages
received
January
11
2023,
exhibit
P
window
evaluation
report,
six
pages
received
January
11
2023,
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members
except
I,
moved
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one
that
the
application
is
to
replace
two
existing
wood.
Six
light.
F
Casement
windows
on
the
front
elevation
and
one
existing
sick
wood,
six
light
case
mitt
window
on
the
west
elevation
with
new
wood
six
light,
casement
windows
relocate
one
existing
six
over
six
double
hung
window
on
west
elevation
with
new
two
light:
wood
window,
replace
existing
non-original
doors.
On-Site
elevations,
with
Pella
wood
doors,
enclosure
of
existing
porch
on
west
elevation
enclosure
will
have
wood
lap,
siding
with
reveal
matching
existing
three
new
six
over
six
double
hung:
wood
windows.
F
F
Three
new
six
over
six
double
hung
wood
windows
and
asphalt,
shingle
roof
matching
resisting
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
May
commence,
two
that
the
standards
for
windows
and
doors
found
on
page
31
in
additions
to
existing
structures.
On
page
35
of
the
Albemarle
Park
architectural
design
standards
adopted
July,
8
2015
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
F
F
See
new
edition
is
subordinate
and
compliable
with
the
original
structure
and
is
compatible
with
the
Constructor,
with
the
structure
in
terms
of
roof
form,
window
design
and
all
other
visual
elements.
D
existing
wood
window
will
be
reused
on
the
side.
Edition
e
new
windows
and
doors
are
consistent
with
the
original
windows
and
doors
on
the
structure.
F
window
opening
to
be
modified
is
on
a
Type,
3
facade
and
is
being
modified
due
to
the
roof
of
the
side.
F
Based
upon
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
therein,
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions.
One
exact
window
specifications
will
be
submitted
to
staff
for
review
and
approval.
Two
revised
elevation
drawings
will
be
submitted
to
staff
for
review
and
approval.
H
C
A
B
B
A
W
A
B
W
A
A
A
A
A
C
A
A
B
C
B
B
C
C
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
go
down
the
entire
street,
but
there
is
a
map
in
there
that's
keyed,
to
photos
for
each
of
the
different
of
the
different
ramps
that
were
replaced
along
Brook
Street.
So
this
is
just
some
representative
example
photos
we
typically
use
well.
I
should
say
that
this
is
a
DOT
maintained,
right-of-way
versus
kind
of
the
more
interior
part
of
Biltmore
Village.
Those
are
all
City
maintained
streets.
C
So
in
the
past,
when
we've
replaced
ramps
within
the
city
maintained
streets
they've
been
in
order
to
meet
ADA
requirements,
they've
been
constructed
of
the
the
darker
bronze
truncated
domes
that
you
see
kind
of
mostly
in
our
downtown
with
white
or
lighter
bricks
surrounding
to
meet
the
visual
differential
differentiation
requirement
for
for
ADA
requirements
for
curb
ramps.
So
that's
kind
of
how
we've
worked
through
it
in
the
past
or
found
a
solution,
so
I
I
definitely
obviously
have
concerns
about
the
concrete
Ram
side.
C
I
feel
like
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
wiggle
room
in
the
design
standards
or
the
development
plan.
That
says
concrete
is
okay,
and
these
the
new
ramps,
also
I,
think
kind
of,
like
you
can
see
in
the
photo
on
the
bottom
right,
the
the
ramp,
that's
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street.
The
amount
of
concrete
also
is
pretty
expensive
in
terms
of
you
know,
getting
that
flat
surface
area
transitioning
to
the
into
the
brick
and-
and
so
this
is
just
a
photo
of
a
recently.
C
The
top
two
photos
are
the
same
intersection
where
that
was
previously.
What
was
existing
and
while
maybe
from
the
slope
Etc
may
not,
or
the
way
it
was
constructed,
may
not
meet
current
ADA
requirements.
It
still
was,
you
know,
had
the
brick
within
the
sidewalk
versus
the
the
improved
or
the
replaced
ramp
on
the
top
right.
C
That
is
now
that
large
expanse
of
concrete
with
the
bright
orange
truncated,
domes
and
the
photo
on
the
bottom
left
is
a
recently
constructed
ramp
on
Fairview,
Road
or
sorry,
it's
on
it's
on
it's
on
Sweeten,
Creek
kind
of
as
broke
Street
and
transitions
out
of
the
district,
just
showing
the
levelness
of
of
a
ramp.
That's
constructed
of
the
darker
bronze
domes
with
the
lighter
brick
to
one
side
of
it.
C
C
The
legend
has
the
brick
pave
sidewalks
along
every
street
in
the
in
the
district,
so
the
goal
again
of
the
development
plan
was
really
as
we're
as
we're
replacing
things
and
making
improvements
in
the
district
that
we're
restoring
the
original
character
as
the
goal.
So
so
that
is
my
presentation
to
you.
It's
on
my
understanding.
There's
someone
from
our
transportation
or
sorry.
C
Our
public
works
department
to
have
Banning
our
streets
division
manager
is
here
to
share
information
with
you
on
questions
about
how
how
ramps
can
be
constructed
of
brick
and
still
meet
the
ADA
requirements.
I
also
just
as
an
FYI
added
a
resource
to
your
packet,
that
is
from
Pine
Hall
Brick
Company,
which
is
where
the
city
has
Source
brick
for
sidewalks
and
Biltmore
Village
in
the
past.
C
L
C
B
C
No
pad
I'm
saying
that
the
I
mean
if
you
you'd,
have
to
separate
out
a
curb
ramp
from
a
sidewalk.
If
you
are
going
to
say
that
that
concrete
is
appropriate
for
a
ramp
in
Biltmore
Village,
it's
not,
it
doesn't
differentiate.
Now.
Obviously
the
80
there
were
ADA
requirements
for
curb
ramps
when
the
guidelines
were
adopted,
which
was
1988
I,
think,
but
we
know
that
they
can
be
constructed
of
brick
and
meet
ADA
requirements.
C
So
I
don't
think
that
there's
unless,
unless
the
commission
thinks
that
there's
a
way
to
differentiate
them,
then
I'm
I'm
not
recommending
in
favor
of
concrete
ramps
I
would
support
you
in
your
decision,
though,
for
you
find
a
reason
to
do
so,
though
I
guess
and
I
do
know
that
they're,
the
Mitchell
from
the
Biltmore
Village
Merchants
Association,
is
here
to
also
give
comment
to
you
on
this
instance.
By
definitely.
C
Yeah,
there
were
some
bricks
that
were
taken
up
and
left
in
the
cities
right-of-way,
and
it
was
communicated
to
our
our
public
works
department
that
we
could.
If
we
wanted
the
bricks,
we
could
come
and
get
them,
so
are
they
still
there?
Okay?
Well,
it's
been
a
while
for
a
minute
since
I've
been
down
there
existing.
B
C
There
are
some
where
it's
like
enters
the
roadway
differently.
So
to
your
point,
it
could
alter
the
curb
itself,
which
is
also
supposed
to
be
granite
and
in
Biltmore
Village,
so
but
I
think
a
lot
of
that's
been
so
mucked
up
on
all
those
little
Corners
over
the
years
that
I'm
not.
It
would
be
hard
to
assess
exactly
what
Granite
is
there.
What
could
be
actually
put
back
there
too,
but
we
could
take
a
closer
look
at
that
if
we
need
to
so.
This
is
like
for
the
for
the
ones
on
book.
B
F
B
F
C
C
W
So
I
work
throughout
the
state.
Nathan
works
in
this
area.
The
curb
ramps
are
something
that
we
have
installed
all
over
the
state.
We
consult
with
the
state
historic
preservation
office
on
those
as
well
as
in
this
case,
I
went
and
consulted
with
the
Federal
Highway
Administration
office
on
these,
as
well
as
a
standard
for
the
state
historic
preservation
office.
W
These
are
excluded
from
a
lot
of
review
because
over
the
past,
we've
had
a
an
agreement
with
the
state
historic
preservation
office
since
2009
that
and
where
we've
looked
at
these
ramps,
and
we
made
a
decision
in
2020
that,
after
installing
them
in
New
Bern
and
installing
Things
in
Old,
Salem
and
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
Milton,
some
other
places
that
the
state
historic
preservation
office,
understanding
or
was
that
these
constituent
and
no
adverse
effect
to
Historic
districts.
They're
required
for
safety
by
law.
W
Because
of
the
surface
that
has
to
be
smooth
and
the
ability
to
maintain
and
the
actual
ramp
slopes
like
you,
like.
You
talked
about,
have
to
have
to
be
maintained
and
and
have
an
area
for
a
wheelchair
to
be
able
to
sit
level
before
it
decides
to
cross
and
the
color
contrasts
and
all
that.
So
they
have
determined
that
they
were
not
something
that
had
to
be
reviewed,
which
is
why
they
went
ahead
and
did
the
ones
on
on
us-25a
and
those
were
done
as
part
of
a
resurfacing
project.
W
That
is
a
law
established
by
the
Disabilities
Act.
Where,
in
whenever
we
either
a
city
or
a
state
government
go
in
and
and
resurface
any
surface
level
roads,
we
have
to
install
ADA
Compliant
ramps
or
bring
them
up
to
standard.
So
that's
what
they
did
in
this
case,
which
is
why
they
went
ahead
and
got
done.
They
did
coordinate
with
the
city
and
did
you
know,
talk
about
areas
and
reusing
the
brick,
and
you
know
if
the
brick
was
needed
wanted.
W
If
they
had
come
through
my
office
because
now
they're
excluded,
then
we
would
have
probably
flagged
it,
but
we
didn't
so
that's
how
these
came
to
pass.
But
we
have
a
second
project
which
is
being
funded
by
the
Federal
Highway
Administration,
which
is
the
one
along
NC
81,
and
those
are
the
five
additional
ones
that
you
see
so
at
we
met
with
Alex
out
in
the
field
in
November
to
you
know,
talk
about
what
what
how
we
build
these
ramps
and
and
why
they
have
to
be
the
specs.
W
W
They
say
that
they
fear
they
do
not
comply
with
Ada
standards
and
that
they
would
have
to
be
in
order
to
make
sure
that
that
brick
stays
the
levels
where
the
city
or
state
could
not
be
sued,
that
we
would
have
to
make
sure
that
they
are
that
the
city
would
have
to
maintain
them
every
year
and
probably
take
them
out
every
year
and
reinstall
them
every
year,
which
is
a
concern
of
theirs.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
with
this.
W
W
W
W
E
W
X
Think
the
the
point
there
would
be-
and
she
mentioned
yellow-
would
be
to
stain
the
concrete
brown
or
red
or
to
match
the
brick.
Then
the
truncated
Dome
would
have
to
go
the
opposite
direction,
which
is
why
that's
where
they
recommend
yellow
for
the
truncated
dome
in
that
situation,
rather
than
a
red
or
the
cast
iron
Brown,
so
that
you
maintain
the
contrast
with
the
surrounding
area.
W
Q
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
Chad,
Bandy
city
of
Asheville,
Public,
Works
I
know
it
was
slide
19.,
it's
not
touch
screen
so
kind
of
going
to
your
question.
This
is
a
brick
example,
but
if
it
were
stained
the
way
our
cast
iron
domes
that
are
currently
in
our
standards
that
we
they're
very
close
color
to
any
red
brick,
as
you
can
see,
and
the
way
we've
started
addressing
that
is,
we
put
a
course
or
two
of
white
brick
or
painted
white
brick.
Q
Q
X
X
That's
where
from
fhto
base
fhwa
standpoint.
Brick
is
something
that
to
maintain
something
that
is
slip.
Slip,
resistant,
firm
and
stable
requires
a
lot
of
Maintenance
when
you're
talking
about
brick
pavers
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
that
concern
comes
from,
especially
when
we
talk
about
the
rant,
which
I
know
was
mentioned
from
the
separating
the
ramp
from
the
sidewalk.
We
do
separate.
We
look
at
two
separate
things.
X
There
we
have
standards
for
sidewalk,
we
have
standards
for
ramps
and
specifically
because
the
ramp
from
a
safety
perspective
is
the
critical
decision
point
for
somebody
with
a
disability,
that's
in
a
wheelchair,
trying
to
cross
or
enter
the
street,
which
is
why
they're
tied
towards
by
law,
to
our
research
and
projects,
and
we
expend
funds
to
repave
a
road
that
we're
also
required
to
upgrade
the
ramp
specifically
because
it
allows
somebody
with
a
disability
to
have
access
to
the
same
surface.
That
was
that
was
paved
as
somebody
without
disability.
F
Questions
for
the
applicant
I
I'd
have
a
question
about
the
color
of
the
you
calling
it
The
Domes.
That's
the
bumpy
Square
yeah
bumpy
squares,
very
technical
terms.
We
got
it,
though,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding
the
the
different
options.
So
if
you
did
have
a
dark
colored,
you
know
pad,
then
that
Dome
would
have
to
be
like
white
or
silver
or
something
like
that.
So.
W
Q
The
access
board,
which
dictates
this
for
ADA
compliance-
it
is
very
vague
and
I,
think
it's
on
purpose.
It
says
it
either
has
to
be
dark
on
light
or
light
on
dark
which
red
on
white,
grayish,
concrete
or
white
brick
interrupting
red
brick
accomplishes
that,
but
it
it
doesn't
give
up
has
to
be
yellow
has
to
be
red,
has
to
be.
X
X
F
A
F
W
Well,
I
guess
in
our
in
our
talks
with
the
city
on
the
domes
that
they
want
us
to
use
on
the
nc-81
project.
They've
asked
us
to
use
the
bronze
ones,
because
those
are
a
standard
that
seems
like
used
throughout
the
city,
so
I
I
think
I
would
defer
to
the
city,
transportation,
department
and
I
understand
their
need
for
wanting.
You
know
kind
of
branding
stuff
to
look
similar,
so
yeah.
G
G
X
G
X
I
think
the
concern
with
brick
is
the
feasibility
of
laying
them
on
that
slope
and
I.
Think
the
one
brick
example
you
had
is
doesn't
have
the
flares,
the
feasibility
of
of
laying
brick
that
exact
to
when
you're
talking
about
requirements
of
two
percent
cross
slope
you're
talking
about
a
quarter
inch
over
a
foot,
it's
exact
and
then
maintaining
that
and
then
the
the
joints
between
those
flares
so
I
think
it's
something
from
a
perspective
to
maintain
that
stable
slip
resistant
firm
surface,
we
would
still
need
concrete.
X
B
X
Think
our
standard
and
brick
is
not
something
we
as
the
state
are
comfortable
installing
or
even
that
we
feel
like.
There
are
contractors
in
this
area
that
are
capable
of
installing
again
to
the
level
of
accuracy
you
need
on
these.
It's
difficult
to
achieve
with
concrete,
so
I
think
it's
something
that
from
our
standards
perspective
than
it
was
mentioned
before
we
we
specify
concrete
for
those
reasons.
W
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
heard
from
the
Federal
Highway
Administration,
their
phone
call
back
to
me
before
I
got
the
emails
was
that
safety
is
the
biggest
concern
and
that
they,
that
is
what
their
headquarters
believes,
is
that
safety
is
the
biggest
concern
and
unless
the
city
is
willing
to
build
and
maintain
ease
of
brick,
they
are
not
in
support
of
that.
So
so.
A
B
C
W
L
B
Interrupted
by
a
lack
of
sensitivity
towards
how
those
things
are
treated
in
the
context
of
the
brick
that
they're
sitting
in
and
so
I
think
that
is
a
struggle
I'm.
Having
with
looking
at
the
pictures
and
these
sort
of
sharp
corners
of
concrete-
and
you
know,
brick
that
comes
in
a
weird
way-
that
probably
increases
that
difficulty
of
maintaining
the
sidewalk
in
the
brick.
Because
of
how
the
concrete
transitions.
A
S
V
X
A
X
X
W
C
W
A
V
B
I
V
A
V
All
right,
I'll
introduce
myself
first
I'm
Eric
Hutcherson
I'm,
a
assistant
City
attorney
with
the
city
of
Asheville,
as
I
mentioned,
section
160d,
406,
D
name,
specifically,
municipalities
as
one
of
the
entities
that's
allowed
to
present
evidence
to
this
body
and
other
quasi-judicial
bodies
and
we're
going
to
exercise
our
right
to
do
so.
Here,
specifically
I'm,
going
to
call
Chad
Bandy
back
up
and
ask
him
some
questions
to
try
to
get
try
to
put
as
find
a
point
as
possible
on
some
of
the
issues
that
you've
all
already
been
discussing.
So
he's.
V
Q
I
really
think,
there's
two
different
components
of
that
statement:
I
think
there's
a
construction
and
a
maintenance
component
of
that
statement
to
construct
initially
I
do
believe
it
is
feasible
to
build
those
out
of
Brewing.
I
will
also
agree
with
what
was
stated
that
the
long-term
maintenance
is
very
difficult
with
that.
V
Q
V
Q
Q
What
what
does
it
relate
to
our
302.7
relates
to
the
there's
two?
Is
that
the
one
with
the
surface,
or
is
that
the
which
one
I'm
sorry
surfaces
it?
It
does
say?
As
Mr
Monahan
said,
it
has
to
be
a
firm,
stable
slip
resistant
surface,
but
it
also
goes
on
to
state
that
typically,
it's
concrete,
but
that
in
historic,
archaeological,
environmental,
certain
districts
that
can
be
different.
V
V
V
Q
V
I
Q
Q
Q
Those
problems
typically
aren't
related
back
to
construction,
but
whether,
as
you
mentioned,
vehicular
traffic
that
cuts
a
corner
short
and
runs
over
the
ramp
either
breaks
the
bricks
move
the
bricks,
various
people,
stealing
bricks,
I
mean
so
and
I
wish.
I
were
joking
on
that,
but
it's
true
so
so
I
would
say
all
of
those
things
contribute
to
the
maintenance
issues
that
are
associated
with
Bree.
U
Good
evening,
chairman
kite,
my
name
is
Benjamin
Mitchell
I'm,
very
familiar
with
many
of
the
folks
in
this
room.
I'm
a
former
HRC
commissioner
myself,
and
thank
you
all
for
your
time.
This
evening,
I
come
before
you
tonight,
as
the
chairman
of
the
Biltmore
Village
Association
Merchants
I
also
come
before
you
tonight,
as
the
property
manager
for
several
affected
Properties
by
this
project
and
I.
First
of
all
would
like
to
express
my
disdain
for.
U
U
We
see
either
brick
that
are
of
a
contrasting
color,
the
sidewalk,
that
is
this
typical
red,
brick
color
and,
along
with
what
I
would
believe
referred
to
as
domes
earlier,
the
metal
pad
there
all
seemingly
complying
with
this
board's
standards.
Additionally,
another
suggestion
could
be
that,
to
the
extent
concrete
were
used.
Perhaps
there
could
be
some
sort
of
imprinting
on
it
to
give
it
the
appearance
of
brick,
even
if
it
weren't,
although
that
is
less
desirable,
in
my
opinion
as
well,
this
particular
project
going
back
to
the
after.
U
It
remains
today,
so
I
strongly
suggest
that
this
board
not
approve
this
particular
portion
of
the
application.
After
the
fact,
and
in
fact,
with
respect
to
the
expansion
of
the
project
that
it
be
continued
or
otherwise,
given
strict
review
and
some
sort
of
plan
be
formulated
that
allows
for
a
the
safety
of
our
guests
to
be
preserved,
but
be
the
character
of
this
neighborhood.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
and
I'm
willing
to
take
any
questions
you
may
have.
B
F
K
F
Shown
in
these
pictures,
I
would
like
to
see
more
consideration
to
color
to
maintaining
the
you
know,
existing
I
guess
forms
of
the
walkways,
even
if
you
were
to
you,
know,
you'd
maintain
that
four
foot
block
behind
the
dome,
but
still
have
the
portion.
That's
within
the
sidewalk,
you
know
be
a
consistent
material
as
like
brick
like
the
sidewalk
is
because
right
now
it's
like
chopping
a
line
into
into
the
sidewalk.
F
B
And
so
that's
where
my
challenge
is
is
if
this
had
been
presented
as
a
design
option.
Would
there
have
been
room
for
us
to
consider
exactly
the
same
evidence
that
we've
heard
today
with
regards
to
safety
and
durability
and
long-term
maintenance
and
constructability
I
I?
Don't
that's
really
true
information,
but
it
is
I,
think
outside
of
our
purview
and.
H
C
C
L
C
Level
on
it,
with
the
lighter
brick
around
it
and
they're
some
odd
and
the
intersection
of
Swan
Street
Naval
street
that
were
approved
probably
five
years
ago,
or
so
we
had
a
standard
brick
from
Pine
Hall,
brick.
The
company
that
I
mentioned
has
the
has
the
technical
document
related
to
maybe
in
compliance
with
sidewalks
and
ramps.
That's
a
resource
to
break
for
for
those
improvements.
C
B
C
Right
and
I
think
from
a
maintenance
standpoint
in
my
mind,
I
think
about
it
like,
like
an
old
house
with
Windows
right
it
just
it
might
require
more
maintenance
or
be
more.
You
know,
require
a
specialist
or
whatever
you
know,
not
for
not
recovery
for
Windows,
certainly
to
maintain
them
is
oftentimes.
M
U
To
the
feasibility
of
Maintenance
of
brick,
sidewalks,
and
otherwise
in
Biltmore
Village,
with
the
environmental
conditions
there,
my
private
Enterprise
has
found
no
difficulty
in
doing
so.
We
have
thousands
of
square
feet
of
brick,
sidewalk,
elevated
and
otherwise
that
we've
maintained
throughout
the
years,
much
of
which
withstands
vehicular
traffic
as
well.
W
I,
don't
know
I'm
a
public
servant,
so
the
one
thing
I'm
not
aware
of
the
1992,
that's
it,
but
the
only
thing
also
that
I
have
kind
of
I
guess.
I'm
questioning
is
that
for
the
1988
guidelines
it
says
in
there
that
big
brick
paving
is
encouraged
for
public
sidewalks
and
they
Define
encouraged
as
it
won't
require,
but
welcomes
it.
So
that's
just
a
little
bit
of
confusion
on
my
part.
K
C
C
A
B
I
think
it's
it
isn't
that
different
than
say
the
previous
project,
where
we
we
have
existing
drawings
from
the
original
construction
that
were
very
clear
about
what
was
there
and
what
the
intent
was.
That's
true
for
all
of
Albemarle,
Park
and
Landscaping
and
site
features.
It's
true
for
the
house
that
we
just
reviewed-
and
it's
true
in
this
case
as
well,
because
we
have
a
Olmstead
plan
that
shows
what
we
had
there,
and
so
that's.
B
When
evaluating
the
appropriateness
and
the
congruity
of
a
of
an
application,
there
are
after
Factor
Factor,
as
designed
as
a
design
proposal,
so
I
think
there's
for
me
for
me.
There's
I
have
enough
confidence
in
saying
that
the
standards
are
clear
about
what
not
only
the
intent
was
for
the
village,
but
the
intent
of
the
design
standards
and
the
overlay
of
the
development
plan
from
1992
with
regards
to
material
choice
and
how
those
are
constructed.
C
Right
and
I'm
too
that's
why
I've
drafted
my
staff
report
the
way
that
I
did
know
my
concerns,
because
I
felt,
like
it's
kind
of
for
the
clinician's
answer,
guide
a
little
bit
a
little
bit.
Well,
certainly,
you
know
just
talked
me
with
the
previous
application
practicality
purposes.
What
is
damage
straightforward?
Yes,.
F
A
C
C
B
B
C
C
A
B
B
B
B
The
hearing-
yes,
thank
you
you
are,
you
are
welcome
to
us
we're
going
to
move
to
our
next
meeting.
I
appreciate
y'all's
stamina.
Today
we
have
a
this
is
a
big
docket
today
for
sure
we
are
going
to
move
to
the
mopford
district.
We
are
at
240
Flint
Street,
we'll
look
to
Alex
for
a
staff
report
to
kick
us
off.
C
Job
and
this
one
I'm
excited
because
I
I
think
this
is
a
really
cute
house.
You
can't
see
it
from
the
street.
Hopefully
you
guys
got
by
there,
but
it's
just
really
needs
some
love.
Obviously,
and
so
someone
has
kindly
agreed
to
take
on
this
project
house,
it
has
come
to
us
for
a
couple
of
minor
work
applications
already
just
FYI,
like
removing
of
the
awning
removing
of
the
non-original
siding.
C
Really
they
were
just
set
in
there
on
top
of
the
the
floor,
and
then
they
also
were
proposing
to
replace
the
railing
with
a
siding
railing
that
has
siding
on
it.
Matching
the
original
lap
siding
that's
present
on
the
house
and
which
is
found
in
Montford
throughout
and
I
think
is
consistent
with
the
architectural
style
of
this
house
as
well
as
then,
the
the
entry
stair
that
is
on
the
the
right
side
of
the
of
the
porch
is
currently
concrete.
C
Here's
just
some
images
of
those
those
spots
in
the
house
where
you
can
see
the
the
porch
posts
and
how
badly
deteriorated
that
whatever
reeling
is,
and
the
steps
are
they're
kind
of
coming
away
from
the
from
the
porch
they're,
also
proposing
to
construct
a
little
small
overhang
over
the
rear
elevation
of
the
to
over
that
current
entry
door,
existing
entry
door,
they're
relocating
some
windows
and
also
replacing
one
vinyl
window
and
two
on
the
front
elevation
and
two
on
the
side.
Elevation
with
new
wood
windows.
C
So
they're
doing
some
restoration
work
there
as
well,
and
then
they
also
are
proposing
to
construct
this
little
small
covered
porch
on
the
south
elevation,
with
a
set
of
French
doors
to
to
go
into
the
house
on
that
on
that
side.
So
in
staff's
opinion,
this
all
is
consistent
with
the
standards
and
not
noting
any
concerns
but
happy
to
answer
questions.
If
you
all
have
any.
C
Are
you
talking
about
it
on
the
rear
yeah?
So
so
that
was
one
thing
that
we
talked
about
because
they
were
originally
proposing
a
deck
on
the
rear
elevation
which
would
have
encroached
into
this
rear
step
back,
but
the
the
little
shed
roof.
It
won't
encroach
into
the
setback
at
all,
and
even
if
it
did
I
think
you're
allowed
to
have
like
three
feet
for
a
a
like
covered.
Porch.
A
H
A
B
B
A
H
C
That's
a
good
question.
That's
a
good
question!
Well,
it's
a
good
question
because
in
times
past,
if
you're
replacing
a
historic
railing,
you
can
go
back
with
this
same
height,
but
not
if
it's
like
entirely
reconstructed
new
railings,
so
that
that
may
not
work
for
this
house.
Unfortunately,
but
I
honestly,
they
don't
really
have
any
option
here,
but
to
completely
rebuild
it.
You.
C
J
C
C
J
L
J
J
If
we
can
find
some
solids,
if
any
of
those
uprights
are
solid
and
all
we
have
to
do
is
replace
siding
rather
than
replace
the
whole
thing,
then
maybe
we
can
get
around
it
that
way
and
keep
that
structure
the
way
it
is.
And
yes,
we
will
do
the
cutouts
okay,
it
makes
it
a
whole
lot
easier
to
clean
a
porch,
and
you
know
to
sweep
a
porch
and
the
little
door
in
the
front
is
actually
the
coal
bin
and
there's
a
lot
of
coal
under
there.
J
If
anyone
needs
coal,
oh
wow,
we've
got
coal.
Our
goal
with
the
house
is
to,
as
I
said,
to
Alex
it's
like
peeling,
an
onion.
You
know
to
just
peel
back
all
the
things
that
have
been
done
over
time
and
bring
it
back
to
what
it
looked
like
it
was
built.
It
appears
on
the
city
directory
first
in
1908.,
George
Murray
owned
the
property
at
the
time
and
he
built
191
Cumberland,
which
is
the
house
above
us.
J
J
My
husband
and
I
live
in
an
old
house
in
Beaufort
North
Carolina
1896.
This
house
is
a
whole
lot
like
ours
that
when
we
bought
it
in
1983,
so
we've
been
through
structural
things
and
all
that
ourselves.
But
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer.
If
they're
about
elevations
to
have
a
good
answer.
J
I
would
like
to
clear
one
thing
up
in
the
drawing
it
looked
like
the
back
door.
The
wooden
back
door
was
going
to
have
six
lights.
We
actually
just
want
that
to
have
one
light,
because
we
are
keeping
the
front
door,
and
that
is
a
single
light
door.
It
has
you
know
half
wood
half
window
and
said
the
back
door
would
be
that
way
as
well.
F
I
J
J
B
B
J
Well,
when
I
asked
about
it,
you
know
you
said
that
just
little
Landscaping
like
that,
it's
just
like
a
little
garden
bed,
it's
not
it
I
will
be
back
or
because
we're
necessarily
going
to
have
to
put
in
a
retaining
wall
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
minor
or
major
work,
but
part
of
the
issue
with
the
house
is
that
the
dirt
has
come
down
from
Cumberland
and
buried
the
back
wall.
So
we'll
be
back
with.
C
A
C
I,
don't
think
the
commission
has
allowed
Tech
like
wood
decking
on
newer
projects
like
newer
houses,
even
but
but
at
the
same
time
like
I,
it's
not
going
to
be
visible
from
anywhere
and
it's
almost
functioning
a
little
bit
like
a
it's,
not
like
a
main
entry
Porter
and
it's
secondary.
But
I
will
defer
to
you
all
on
what
you
think
is
Mr.
A
J
C
J
J
S
J
D
J
C
C
B
F
There
are
no
concerns
and
I'll
make
a
motion.
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Six
pages
exhibit
B
photographs
of
subject
property,
11
pages,
Exhibit,
C,
additional
photographs
of
subject
property,
Nine
Pages
exhibit
D
survey,
exhibit
e
1917
Sanborn
fire
Insurance
map
exhibit
F
renderings,
five
pages,
exhibit
G
roof
and
railing
specifications.
Two
pages
exhibit
H
Window
and
Door.
Specifications
for
Pages
exhibit
I,
revised,
renderings
and
plans.
Six
pages
received
December
21st
2022.
F
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
knew
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one
that
the
application
is
to
wrap
existing
non-original
front
porch
posts
with
eight
by
eight
Square
painted
wood
repair,
existing
porch
railing
and
flooring
replace
existing
concrete
porch
steps
with
new
painted
wood
steps
with
an
existing
concrete,
cheek
walls.
New
two
inch
diameter
black
metal
picket
handrail
will
be
installed
on
left
side
steps
construct.
F
Four
foot
by
four
foot
shed
roof
covering
over
entry
on
rear
elevation
structure
will
have
four
inch
by
four
inch
painted
wood
support
posts.
An
asphalt,
shingle
roof
matching
existing
construct,
an
eight
foot
by
12
foot
covered
porch
on
South
elevation,
porch
will
have
wood
tongue
and
groove
flooring.
Wood,
lap,
siding
railing
matching
existing
six
inch
by
six
inch
painted
wood
support
posts
and
asphalt,
shingles
hip
roof
matching
existing
porch
support.
F
F
Okay,
with
new
wood,
single
light
door,
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
May
commence
two,
but
the
standards
for
porches
entrances
and
balconies
found
on
pages
72-73
and
windows
and
doors
on
pages
84
to
85
of
the
Montford
historic
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
to
April
14,
2010
and
amended
December
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
F
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
a
existing
front,
porch
posts
and
steps
are
not
original
to
the
house
or
compatible
with
the
architectural
style
of
the
house.
New
posts
and
steps
are
compatible
with
the
historic
character
of
the
building
in
high
proportion,
material
textures
feel
detail
and
color
B
new
porch
will
be
on
side
elevation
and
compatible
with
the
existing
structure
in
terms
of
roof
form
scale,
details,
material
and
color
c.
F
New
entryway
shed
roof
over
rear
elevation
is
compatible
with
the
existing
structure
in
terms
of
roof
form
scale,
details,
material
and
color
D
vinyl
windows
are
being
replaced
with
wood
windows.
Matching
the
original
windows
on
the
house,
new
doors
are
compatible
with
the
historic
character
of
the
building
F
window
openings
to
be
modified
are
on
non-character-defining
elevations.
K
A
I
H
B
C
C
And
so
that's
just
an
important
to
note.
I
will
say
that
there's
a
smattering
offenses
not
on
Woodlawn
but
kind
of
wrapping.
The
corner
which
the
applicant
did
include
some
some
examples
of
fences
nearby
on
Flint
Street.
If
you
go
around
the
corner
on
Flint
Street,
there's
quite
a
number
of
of
Picket
Fences
and
loop
or
wood
or
wood
post
and
wire
fences,
the
image
on
the
bottom
right.
So
one
thing:
I'd,
don't
really
understand
about
this
application.
That
I
talked
with
the
with
the
applicant
about.
C
But
I
don't
think
it's
supposed
to
go
back
and
connect
to
the
existing
section
of
fence,
that's
in
the
rear
yard.
So
I
don't
usually
we're
looking
at
fences
to
enclose
an
area
for
dogs
or
children
or
whatever,
and
so
my
suggestion
to
the
applicant
was:
can
you
just
do
a
hedge
instead
of
this?
If
you're
really
just
trying
to
achieve
some
kind
of
visual
kind
of
privacy
within
the
yard
itself,
it
is
a
vacation
rental,
so
I
think
just
from
an
outdoor
space
usability.
C
They
want
to
do
some
Flags
soon
Paving
along
the
side
of
the
front
walkway
in
the
front
yard,
and
then
they
want
to
also
install
the
pergola,
that's
on
the
right
hand,
side
or
on
the
bottom,
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
walkway,
and
so
those
are
kind
of
the
other
site.
Improvements
and
I
think
we
would
have
been
comfortable
approving
those
things
at
staff
level,
but
the
fence
is
what
kicked
it
into
a
major
work
review,
but
it's
always
a
little
bit
of
a
some
places
is
more
clear
than
others.
C
Where
you
have
these
like
kind
of
very
prominent.
You
know
large
Lots,
where
fencing
is
clearly
not
appropriate
as
a
visual
boundary
within
the
landscape.
This
is
a
very
shallow
yard,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
don't
know
that
they're,
like
I,
don't
really
understand
exactly
what
they're
need
is
for
the
fence
itself.
C
C
This
again
they
don't
really
have
a
lot
of
usable
area
here,
but
I
also
can
recall
a
case
on
Magnolia
that
the
commission
reviewed
probably
four
or
five
years
ago
now,
where
a
Magnolia
Avenue
has
quite
a
number
of
wood,
Picket,
Fences
and
and
shallow
yards,
and
so
that
was
one
area
where
the
commission
felt
they
could
support
a
new
picket
fence
because
it
kind
of
was
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
streetscape.
But
it's
it
there's.
C
It
could
be
hard
to
know
whether
there's
any
like
Real
historic
fences,
I'm
offered
there
just
weren't
a
lot
historically
and
if
they
were,
they
were
usually
the
old
wire
fencing
with
the
Locust
post,
because
it
was
far
more
rural
back.
Then
there
are
there's
at
least
one
original,
maybe
two
original
wrought
iron
fences
that
I
can
think
of,
but
and
it
in
general,
there
weren't
very
many
offenses
in
modern.
C
Historically
speaking,
so
the
only
other
item
I
asked
for
was
a
stone
sample
which
I
got
from
the
applicant
today
an
image
of
what
they're
proposing
for
the
little
paved
area
there.
So
that's
also
been
added
to
your
packet,
but
don't
have
any
other
thoughts
to
add
on
this
one.
But
if
you
have
questions
happy
to
answer.
C
H
H
C
C
Sorry,
that's
thank
you
for
asking
that
I
did
ask
the
applicant
to
also
go
measure
the
existing
fence
and
it's
it
looks
like
it
was
probably
installed
at
three
and
a
half
feet,
but
there's
some
sections
that
are
like
three
feet:
three
inches
so
I
think
maybe
probably
it's
just
like
gotten
uneven
yeah
yeah.
So
that
was
what
I
said
it
should
match.
If,
if
you
all
are
going
to
approve
it.
C
I
C
C
I
did
also
to
point
out
too
I
had
a
conversation
with
someone
who
called
me
yesterday
to
objecting
to
this
that
has
lived
in
the
neighborhood
since
1996.
She
said
or
93.
she's,
not
here
she's,
not
here.
She
lives,
I,
think
in
Utah
or
somewhere
else
out
of
state,
but
she
she
just
reached
out
to
let
me
know
her
concerns
kind
of
the
same
with
the
other
people
that
let
me
know
their
their
feedback,
but
aren't
present
here.
C
C
C
C
B
Y
So
there
is
an
existing
fence
and
it's
hard
to
see
on
the
plan
at
this
scale,
but
it
runs
along
the
property
on
the
North
side
and
then
again,
there's
one
that
frames
where
the
the
gravel
parking
pad
is
so
and
there's
up
in
front
of
so
between
the
parking
pad
on
Bishop
place
and
the
covered
porch.
There
is
a
fence
right
at
the
edge
and
then
also
running
back
towards
Bishop
place.
So
it
kind
of
the
the
fence,
the
picket
fence
lines,
the
parking,
the
gravel
parking
pad
on
Bishop.
Y
The
reason
she
wants
to
put
in
a
fence
along
Woodlawn
is
to
create
more
of
a
sitting
area
for
the
front
and
also
more
of
a
privacy
Garden,
in
the
sense
that
it
it
just
creates
that
barrier
between
the
public
space
of
Woodlawn
and
the
front
walk
the
the
Hedge.
That's
there
and
it's
it's
where
the
the
fence
will
be
is
it
would
need
to
be
replaced
half
of
them.
It's
pretty
old,
it's
kind
of
part
of
it.
Y
Parts
of
it
are
dying,
there's
an
existing
large
red
maple
up
there
at
the
North,
Corner
front
corner
of
the
property,
and
so
that
root
system
is
pretty
established
and
trying
to
get
a.
You
know
a
privacy,
hedge
of
a
certain
ball
and
burlap
shape
and
digging
something
enough
and
not
disturbing.
That
root
system
is
going
to
become
very
difficult.
So
that's
why
we
decided
to
try
to
go
with
a
picket
fence
that
would
match
the
existing
picket
fence.
That's
there.
Y
So,
in
addition
to
it
running
along
Woodlawn,
is
it's
going
to
turn
back
and
meet
the
existing
fence
that
is
between
to
Woodlawn
and
their
neighbor
to
the
north?
So
on
that
property
line
so
and
and
just
meet
the
existing
fence
there,
so
it
would
just
be
a
continuation
of
that
and
the
precedent
there
is
an
another
sheet
with
this
set
that
I
submitted.
So
this
is
the
existing
conditions,
is
what
you're
seeing
now
and
there
was
a
proposed
on
the
other
side
on
sheet
2
and
then
sheet
three.
Y
It
shows
some
precedent
so
there's
precedent
along
Bishop
place
that
Corners
Flint
Street
and
then
there's
precedent
on
neighboring
properties
on
Flint
Street
as
well,
and
their
addresses
are
on
there.
So
there
are
three
four
properties
right
around
that
block.
That
also
have
this
similar
white
picket
fence
in
their
front
yard.
Y
So
and
the
height
would
be
three
and
a
half
feet,
so
it
would
be
consistent
with
all
of
that
so
and
then,
as
far
as
the
stone,
what
we're
proposing
of
just
throwing
some
a
small
patio
on
the
other
side
of
the
existing
front,
concrete
walk,
not
disturbing
the
walk,
but
throwing
putting
in
some
Tennessee
Fieldstone.
So
it
would
be,
and
then
the
gray
palette,
as
opposed
to
a
sand
palette.
Y
H
Y
H
A
I
B
If
there's
some
concerns
about
disrupting
the
drip
line
of
that
big
tree
of
the
Big
Trees
on
the
corner,
to
you
know,
establish
a
new
hedge
that
matches
the
sort
of
side
of
the
house.
I
think
that
would
be
a
little
bit
of
a
shame,
but
some
smaller
scale.
You
know
Landscaping
in
front
of
the
fence
between
the
back
of
that
rock
kind
of
wall
and
the
fence
I
would
be
in
support
of
that
to
sort
of
soften
it.
I
think
a
little
bit,
there's
obviously
fence
on
the
property
already.
K
D
K
C
B
A
B
This
is
a
I
mean
a
corner.
Property
is
going
to
speak
to
a
lot
of
different
directions
in
a
way
that
a
middle
of
the
block
property.
Wouldn't
you
know
we're
going
to
experience
this
house
as
we
turn
the
corner
and
as
soon
as
we
turn
the
corner,
we're
going
to
see
a
picket
fence
at
97,
Flint,
Street
and
so
I
mean
I.
B
Don't
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
doesn't
feel
like
a
particularly
disruptive
part
of
an
experience
as
you're
sort
of
driving
and
turning
that
corner
because
of
the
visual
barrier
that
the
Hedge
already
presents.
The
presence
of
fencing
already
on
the
property
and
the
context
of
the
surrounding
and
adjacent
properties
with
similar
offensing
yeah.
H
When
the
street,
with
the
fences,
is
Bishop
and
not
Woodlawn,
and
so
we're
only
putting
a
fence
on
Woodlawn
and
not
Bishop
and
I,
don't
know
if
it
does
anything
because
well
I'm
sure
it
does
something.
But
that's
where
I'm
struck
is
it
wasn't
there
historically
I
guess
it
looks
great
to
have
it,
but
it's
just
kind
of
a
weird
solution
to
be
going
down
that
street
and
then
have
that
Gap
and
then
it
appears
on
a
Woodlawn.
So
I
just
have
a
continuity.
E
Z
A
B
A
F
I
F
B
B
E
C
A
B
A
B
B
K
C
And
I
understand
your
point:
that
is
a
visual
battery,
but
I
think
it's
a
different
visual
boundary
boundary
right
like
a
wood,
picket
fence
is
more
like
more
like
a
decorative
element
to
me.
It
is
like
a
constructed
Thing
versus
a
naturalized
vegetation
and
that
to
me,
I'm
kind
of
going
back
and
forth
on
this
application.
I
feel
like
because
I
just
don't
really
like
without
it
connecting
just
something
other
side.
What
is
the
purpose?
Yeah
a
congestification
or.
F
F
K
D
Respond
Alex
to
your
point
about
you,
know
the
difference
between
a
natural
barrier
and
and
a
constructed
barrier
like
a
fence.
If,
if
the
guidelines
were
written
in
a
way
that
was
specified,
you
know
a
preference
for
natural
barriers
over
constructed
barriers.
If,
if
they,
if
the
guideline
language
or
the
standard
language
wasn't
strongly
discouraged
as
it,
it
changes
the
historic
character
of
the
streetscape
and
introduces
a
distinct
visual
boundary.
It's
that
you
know,
introduces
a
distinct
visual
boundary.
You
have
one
here,
but
the
guidelines
aren't
specific
standards,
aren't
specific
about
appropriate
visual
boundaries.
B
B
Think
in
terms
of
tying
emotion
back
to
the
standards,
I
think
you've
really
a
little
bit
nailed
it
for
me
in
terms
of
there's,
the
presence
of
a
visual
boundary
already
exists
and
by
all
observations,
it's
been
there
for
a
long
time
and
so
I
think
I
would
be
in
support
of
the
application.
For
that
reason,
that
I
think
kind
of
directly
connects
us
back
to
the
standards
I.
K
F
F
New
fence
will
connect
to
existing
section
of
wood,
picket
fence
along
Northern
property
boundary,
install
eight
foot
by
eight
foot,
section
of
Flagstone,
Pavers
adjacent
to
front
walkway,
install
six
foot
wide
painted
wood
Arbor
with
swing
in
front
yard.
All
wood
will
be
in
accordance.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
the
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
May
commence,
two
that
the
standards
for
fences
and
walls
found
on
pages
36
to
37
and
Landscaping
and
trees.
F
On
pages
40
to
41
of
the
Montford
historic
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
to
April
14,
2010
and
amended
December
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
new
fence
will
match
existing
wood,
picket
fence
on
the
site
and
will
be
similar
in
height
and
designed
to
the
other
fences
in
the
district.
B
new
fence
location
is
compatible
with
the
traditional
historic
relationship
offenses
to
Historic
properties.
F
In
the
district
c,
new
fence
will
be
in
keeping
with
the
architectural
style
of
the
house
d.
New
paved
area
will
be
constructed
of
stone.
E
new
landscape
structure
is
compatible
with
the
historic
neighborhood
in
material
and
scale.
Four,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruous,
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
Montfort
historic
district.
B
A
A
A
A
A
L
A
A
H
A
B
A
B
A
P
B
A
B
J
A
D
I
A
A
C
F
B
B
B
C
C
So
you
see
the
site
map
on
the
slide,
as
well
as
the
proposed
site
plan.
There
are
two
buildings
that
are
immediately
adjacent
to
each
other,
I.
Think
in
my
rush
to
get
my
presentations
done
yesterday,
I
didn't
include
photos
of
the
existing
building,
that's
on
the
site,
but
they
are
within
the
application
packet
and
we
can
look
through
those
photos.
If
you
want
to
discuss
that,
it
is
the
existing
house.
That's
there
I
believe
was
constructed
in
1945
thereabouts
and
is
there
is
considered
a
non-contributing
structure
to
the
district.
C
so,
and
we
did
ask
the
applicant
to
at
least
demonstrate
to
us
that
they
made
good
faith
effort
to
try
to
find
an
alternative
to
demolition
like
relocation,
and
so
they
I
think
they
did
put
an
ad
in
the
mopper
newsletter
for
some
time
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
any
other
avenues
they
pursued.
As
far
as
the
existing
structure
goes,
but
it's
a
tiny
little
tiny
little
building
so
hard
to
probably
for
the
expense
of
relocating,
it
probably
justify
it
in
any
case.
C
And
then
these
are
I'm
just
going
to
get
the
next
few
slides
or
the
exist
or
the
sorry
excuse
me.
The
proposed
elevation
drawings
so
I
think
in
this.
Maybe
the
landscape
plans
referred
to
them
as
building
a
and
Building
B,
but
the
these
plans
refer
to
them
as
building
one
and
building
two
building,
one
being
the
one
on
the
corner,
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
with
with
that.
Since
this.
J
C
C
My
let
me
go
back
to
the
a
couple
of
slides
ago.
My
thoughts
on
this
particular
design
or
is
sort
of
like
kind
of
incorporate
some
more
Craftsman
Elements,
which
are
found
on
some
larger
structures
in
Montford
for
sure,
but
I
struggle
a
little
bit
with
the
the
design
overall
design
of
these
two
structures
being
to
the
extent
I
think
necessary,
compatible
with
the
architectural
style
of
historic
houses
in
Montford.
In
particular.
I
think
that
you
know
most
houses
in
Montfort
have
a
prominent
front.
C
Porch
like
entryway,
that's
set
within
a
front
porch
and
I.
These
little
shed
main
entryways
I
think
is
part
of.
What's
throwing
off
the
design
to
me,
I
think
there
could
be
more
variation
in
the
fenestration,
especially
between
the
two
buildings,
because
they
do
are.
They
are
going
to
be
right
next
to
each
other,
and
the
fenestration
is
very
regular,
whereas
at
least
in
mopper
there
is
on
historic
houses.
Quite
a
bit
of
variation
of
of
fenestration
and
I.
C
Also
am
not
there's
not
to
mean
that
I
could
I
asked
the
applicant
if
there
were
examples
of
other
porches
on
front
elevations,
where
there's
multiple
entry
doors.
That's
not
super
common
for
a
historic
house
and
so
I
struggle
with
that
aspect
of
this
as
well
and
again,
it's
kind
of
almost
like
the
form
it's
such
they're,
such
large
structures
that
almost
like
it
to
me,
I
struggle
to
blend
craftsman
style
into
those
larger
structures.
C
C
I
was
like
what
even
is
this
style,
but
I
I
did
drop
the
national
register
nomination
in
your
packet
as
well.
If
you
want
to
go
through
it,
but
most
of
the
time
in
an
in
National
register
inventory,
it
doesn't
delineate
the
specific
architectural
style
anyways
it
does
for
some
of
the
larger
buildings
or
more
prominent
buildings.
But
so
my
other
concern
relates
back
to
the
overall
massing
and
form.
C
If
that
makes
sense,
I
don't
want
to
be
clear
too
that
while
I'm
presenting
all
this
information
to
you,
it's
solely
based
on
the
design
standards,
I
don't
want
there
to
be
a
question
that
staff
doesn't
support,
info
housing
for
sure
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
necessarily
inappropriate
for
this
site.
I
just
think
it's
maybe
there's
some
design
changes
that
could
be
made
to
potentially
fit
better
within
this
particular
site.
C
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
that,
in
terms
of
materials,
I
think
the
building
on
the
left
has
more
of
a
traditional
kind
of
makeup
in
terms
of
the
materials
separated
between
the
two
floors.
However,
brick
is
not
a
common
material
in
Montford,
it's
very
it's
common
for,
like
you
know,
minimal,
Foundation
or
or
colonial
revival
style
houses,
but
as
like
a
presenting
kind
of
up
Beyond
of
what
would
be
a
traditional
Foundation
level
as
more
of
a
siding
material.
C
It's
not
it's
kind
of
unusual
for
more
or
I
guess
more
of
a
contemporary
design,
in
particular
the
building
on
the
right
where
it
comes
up
higher
on
the
building,
and
that
one
also
has
the
the
the
differing
material
on
the
like
kind
of
vertical
piece,
that's
differing
from
the
rest
of
the
siding
and
then
there's
also
introduction
of
Stucco.
So
there's
really
multiple
for
each
building
kind
of
a
lot
going
on
material,
wise,
there's,
also
and
I
communicated
all
this
to
the
Apple
camp.
C
One
thing
about
the
landscape
was
just
that
in
as
we
were
just
talking
about
or
well
I
guess
we
didn't
go
really
into
great
detail,
but
the
landscape
in
Montford.
If
you
read
the
national
register
nomination
and
the
design
guidelines,
it's
very
it
was
very
naturalized.
It
wasn't
a
formal
landscape
in
most
cases,
and
they
have
to
because
of
our
underlying
zoning
requirements.
C
C
This
project
did
come
to
the
commission
four
or
five
years
ago,
and
at
that
point
it
was
just
these
three
Parcels
that
were
under
consideration,
but
they,
the
developer,
owns
the
the
properties
up
front
on
Broadway.
Those
are
outside
of
the
Historic
District
boundary,
but
they
are
taking
the
whole
project
through
development
review
at
the
same
time.
C
I
AA
J
I
I
J
C
AA
Correct
thing:
I'm,
Suzanne,
God
see
I'm
a
landscape
architect
at
site
work,
studios,
I've,
been
practicing
landscape
architecture
for
27
years
in
Asheville
and
Western
North,
Carolina
I'm
happy
to
be
here
tonight.
This
is
the
time
of
the
night
where
I
get
a
little
bit.
Punchy
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
I've
done
a
lot
of
work.
You
weren't
here
earlier
I.
F
A
B
Right
give
me
one
second,
anybody
else
that
wasn't
here
at
the
beginning
of
our
meeting,
who
intends
to
speak
today,
can
come
to
the
front
and
get
sworn
and
we'll
do
while
you
all
you
all
of
you
at
once.
Okay,
raise
your
right
hand.
Please
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
historic
Resources
Commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth.
I
do.
Thank.
AA
You
thank
you
for
that.
So
again,
here's
talk
about
the
site
plan
really
quickly.
As
Alex
mentioned,
we've
got
two
buildings
on
the
site.
They
lay
out
really
well
we're
utilizing
the
slope
that
goes
down
Starnes
Avenue
to
create
an
additional
floor
level.
At
the
parking
lot
level,
we've
got
20
parking
spaces
on
site,
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
with
the
neighborhood
and
they've
made
very
clear
to
us,
desperate
need
for
parking
in
Montford
everywhere,
so
their
message
to
us
was
as
much
parking
as
as
humanly
possible.
AA
So
we
have
to
balance
a
lot
of
things.
Obviously,
as
land
planners
we've
got
code
issues,
we've
got
HRC
issues,
we've
got
impervious
surface
issues,
we've
got
all
these
things.
This
is
what
we
think
the
site
can
bear
and
we
think
that
it
is
very
appropriate
for
the
number
of
units
that
we've
got
we're
proposing
for
the
parking
lot
to
be
concrete
and
a
couple
of
site
features.
We've
got
the
appropriate
Street
trees.
We've
got
a
lot
of
foundation,
plantings,
that's
over
and
above,
what's
required
by
the
city
in
reading
the
standards
for
landscaping.
AA
If
hedgerows
are
something
that
is
talked
about
in
the
historic
guidelines
that
there's
nothing
more
formal
than
a
than
a
Hedgerow,
so
to
then
step
back
to
Foundation
plantings
and
want
to
naturalize
them,
there's
a
bit
of
a
discrepancy
there
and
in
my
mind,
we've
got
a
varied
elevation
for
the
two
buildings
and
the
plantings
mimic
that
as
well.
They're
varied,
so
I'll
just
put
a
plug
in
for
the
landscape
plan.
In
that
regard,
however,
open
to
comments,
we've
got
because
of
the
number
of
units.
AA
This
project
does
not
call
for
a
dumpster,
so
we're
doing
a
trash
enclosure,
that's
more
pedestrian
scale.
We
propose
the
same
type
of
screening
for
a
project
that
was
approved
by
this
Commission
on
119
Cumberland,
which
is
an
opaque
wood
screen
and
there's
a
photo
example
in
your
packet.
That
will
give
you
an
idea
and
from
starns
and
the
view
that
you'd
be
able
to
actually
see
it.
We
are
proposing
a
Hedgerow
Evergreen
plantings
to
screen
that
a
little
bit
further
in
between
the
two
buildings.
We've
got
this
nice
little
Courtyard
area
with
some
benches.
AA
A
little
focal
point
could
be
some
type
of
sculpture
or
something
and
then
and
at
flanking
it
in
the
back.
Connecting
the
two
buildings
together
is
a
low
seat
wall.
So
we're
able
to
take
this
small
wall
and
create
some
seating
at
the
back
of
that
courtyard
space
we
do.
As
Alex
mentioned,
we
are
proposing
these
two
projects-
183
Broadway,
and
this
Elizabeth
Place
project,
at
the
same
time,
we're
required
by
code
to
buffer
the
two
projects
from
one
another
which
doesn't
really
make
a
lot
of
sense
when
they're
the
same
project
together.
AA
But
that's
how
code
reads
so
we
do
have
a
lot
of
proposed
vegetation
between
the
two
projects,
which
I
think
more
than
accommodates
the
12
trees
that
we're
removing
from
the
site
and
a
lot
of
those
trees
are
being
hacked
currently
by
the
power
company.
We
have
power
lines
along
storms
and
Elizabeth,
and
so
what
we're
able
to
do
is
to
provide
Street
trees,
we're
replacing
Street
trees
that
are
small
deciduous,
which
is
per
code
so
that
they
will
not
be
topped
or
hacked
off
by
the
power
company.
AA
The
last
thing
that
Alex
mentioned
that
we
have
on
the
site
just
in
terms
of
some
some
grading
on
the
site.
We
do
have
a
five
foot
Bolder
retaining
wall,
that's
on
the
north
side
of
the
site,
we're
proposing
that
to
be
a
naturalized
Boulder,
retaining
wall
and
the
reason
why
I,
like
this
material
for
this
retaining
wall
is
adjacent
to
this
project.
You've
probably
seen
those
town
homes
that
are
along
Broadway.
AA
They
did
a
large
stream
restoration
project
where
Reed
Creek
outfalls
behind
those
buildings
and
that
Culvert
is
seven
and
a
half
feet
tall
and
flanking
it
as
Wing
walls
are
some
large
Boulders
that
are
so.
This
is
mimicking
that,
and
it's
set
back
approximately
30
feet
up
the
slope
from
where
those
those
Boulder
Wing
laws
are
for
the
for
the
stream
restoration.
So
it
really
Harkens
more
towards
the
naturalized
perspective.
AA
That's
happening
at
the
creek
level
than
what's
happening
at
Starnes
or
Elizabeth
place,
and
no
one
in
the
historic
district
can
actually
see
that
Boulder
wall
and
no
one
from
Elizabeth
place
can
see
what's
happening
down
into
the
courtyard,
because
it's
sloping
down
to
that
lower
level.
So
some
of
these
things
are
a
little
bit
private
and
not
necessarily
visually
important
to
the
historic
district.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
for
me,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them
now
or
later.
F
Any
questions
about
the
site,
the
the
low
wall
that
you
were
talking
about,
that
sort
of
gathering
area
in
between
is
that
I
saw
in
your
photograph
examples.
There
was
one
that
was
almost
like
a
planter
wall.
I
was
like
plants
coming
out
of
the
top
of
it
or
behind
it.
Are
you
using
that
wall
or
planting
bias.
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F
I
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G
P
Hello,
I'm
Robin,
with
Pro
house
Architects
I,
prepared
a
slideshow
to
kind
of
talk
about
how
we
arrived
at
this
design.
First
of
all,
the
client
wanted
it
to
look
like
two
separate
large
homes.
So
that's
what
we
went
with
and
we
we
approached
these
buildings
with
the
vernacular
style
approach,
which
is
not
one
particular
style
which
is
found
throughout
Montford.
We
took
elements
that
inspired
us
throughout
Montford
and
used
them
in
this
in
this
building.
P
In
these
two
buildings,
page
20
of
the
Montford
guidelines
talks
a
little
bit
about
the
vernacular
style
and
it
also
mentions
Richard
Sharp,
Smith
and
Richard.
Sharp
Smith
worked
in
the
vernacular
style
as
well,
and
he
was
a
major
inspiration
in
these
buildings,
as
I
will
show
you.
These
are
the
streetscape
renderings.
On
top,
you
can
see
the
Elizabeth
place,
you
see
our
two
buildings
and
then
there's
a
small
building
on
31
Elizabeth
place.
It's
a
tiny,
rectangular
blue
one
story.
Building
which
I
would
say
is
an
anomaly
in
Montford.
P
There's
not
a
lot
like
that
and
then
across
from
Starnes.
If
you
cut
a
section
that
is
approximately
the
height
of
I,
can't
read
the
address,
but
it's
the
one
on
Starnes
through
section,
so
I
feel
like
our
buildings
can
contextually
fit
in
with
the
massing
of
the
building
on
starns.
It
would
be
hard
to
design
a
project
to
fit
in
with
the
massing
of
31
Elizabeth
place,
and
then
the
next
one
is
the
streetscape
rendering
from
Starnes
Avenue
and
you
have
our
building
facing
Starnes.
P
P
G
P
P
And
there's
33
Stars
a
three-story
porch
and
another
house
on
Starnes
that
the
tall
gabled
Dormer
interrupts
the
porch
and
then
one
on
Blake
Street.
The
Blake
Street
has
brick
around
the
base.
So
does
the
one
on
Starnes
and
then
here
are
some
fenestration
examples
in
building
one.
We
wanted
to
accentuate
the
vertical
circulation
and
showcase
it
a
little
differently
than
the
residential
areas.
P
So
we
used
a
different
type
of
window
and
here
are
three
homes
where
there
were
several
types
of
Windows
used
and
we
have
the
multi-pane
windows
in
that
vertical
part
and
I
feel
like
those
kind
of
reference,
the
house,
the
blue
house,
on
the
right
with
the
more
historic
diamond,
shaped
Division
I
feel
like
those
are
kind
of
a
nod
to
that,
and
then
we
found
some
other
houses
that
had
that
style
of
window
for
building
two.
The
massing
and
design
inspiration
was
the
1900
in
on
Montford.
P
As
we
have
down
on
the
bottom
and
door
examples
we
have
the
main
front
doors
to
the
buildings
are
pretty
much
solid
wood
with
a
small
light
at
the
top,
but
on
each
porch
we
have
some
French
doors,
glass,
French
doors,
because
we
wanted
to
bring
light
into
the
units
and
we
wanted
them
to
be
able
to
be
a
window
and
a
door.
So
we
found
some
examples
of
full
light
doors.
P
The
one
on
the
top
is
a
double
French
door
and
the
one
on
the
right
is
a
single,
and
here
are
some
homes
with
multiple
roofing
materials.
The
one
on
96
Montford
has
some
slate
and
then
metal
roofing
on
the
porch
and
then
the
one
on
132
Chestnut
Street
asphalt
with
a
standing
seam
and
then
the
one
on
Montford
Avenue
at
the
bottom.
It's
asphalt,
except
for
the
little
Dormers
at
the
top,
are
metal,
and
that
is
that
presentation.
B
Z
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
really
make
an
introduction
of
who
we
are
and
kind
of
the
process
that
what
we've
been
through.
We
have
a
little
bit
about
us
when
we
go
back
chronologically
so
37
month
for
a
little
history
about
us.
We've
been
around
for
about
23
years
building
and
developing
in
in
the
real
estate
business
around
Montfort
and
downtown.
Z
Our
first
project
in
Montfort
that
went
through
HRC
was
37,
Montford
Avenue,
which
is
right
across
the
street
from
the
chamber.
We
built
that
office
building
we
operated
in
it
and
then
we
sold
it
to
the
board
of
realtors.
It
was
a
griffin
award.
We
moved
on
from
that
one
down
to
Broadway
where
we
built
the
pioneer
building,
which
is
where
the
home
of
high
five
coffee
is.
Z
We
have
a
two
to
three
acres:
we're
invested
in
the
community,
we're
not
out
of
town
developers,
we
care
about
what
we
do
and
we
care
about
the
process
we
recently
just
purchased
119
Cumberland,
which
is
a
church
on
the
corner
of
flint
and
Cumberland,
which
has
also
been
approved
by
this
commission,
and
we
are
about
to
break
ground
converting
that
into
six
units.
We're
super
excited
about
that
one.
We
have
one
more
project
on
Broadway,
where
they're
going
to
finish
out
the
block,
and
then
this
is
part
of
it
about
to
pre-covered.
Z
We
brought
a
project
to
the
commission
and
I
know.
Everybody
here
is
new.
They
weren't
involved
in
that
project.
There
were
lawyers,
there
were
hundreds
of
people
in
the
community,
there
was
an
uproar
and
that
process
that
project
got
stalled
out
with
covid
and
then
also
gave
us
some
times
to
reflect.
As
developers
we
listened
to
the
community,
we
took
notes,
we
redesigned,
we
took
care
of
a
retaining
wall
that
was
19
foot.
We
got
rid
of
that.
We
went
from
22
units
with
13
parking
spaces
down
to
16
units
with
20
parking
spaces.
Z
Z
We
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
money
going
through
Montford
and
picking
up
the
architectural
details
of
what
the
preservations
Society
is
supposed
to
do,
we're
trying
to
build
something
that
really
matches
it
looks
a
little
different
as
far
as
not
building
two
of
the
same
buildings
we
got
away
from
the
colonial
went
back
to
the
traditional
arts
and
crafts
and
really
trying
to
build
something
nice
that
fits
and
we're
not
going
anywhere.
We
have
a
lot
of
other
projects,
we're
committed
to
the
city,
we're
committed
to
dealing
something
nice.
Z
If
y'all
remember
the
Reed
Creek,
we
have
storm
water
issues
on
Broadway
with
Dot
in
the
city,
we
have
spent
upwards
of
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
with
the
Army
Corps
permits
the
creek
restoration
and
we
have
beautified
that
Creek.
It
feeds
all
through
the
greenway
down
to
the
botanical
gardens,
and
so
we
are
invested
in
this
community.
We
are
not
from
out
of
town
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
knows
who
the
applicator
is,
and
just
so
we're
trying.
We
had
a
neighborhood
meeting
on
this
project
was
not
required
for
HRC.
Z
We
wanted
the
support
from
Montfort.
We
wanted
the
support
from
the
community,
we
had
a
ton
of
people
show
up,
and
today
we
have
no
lawyers,
we
have
no
people
waiting
on
the
outside,
they
can't
fit
in
and
we
feel
like.
The
neighborhood
has
really
accepted
the
project,
and
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
feedback
about
the
process
that
we've
been
through.
I
just
want
to
put
in
context
as
you
guys
review
the
project
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
L
I
have
carefully
studied
the
25
Elizabeth
Place
project
since
its
Inception
in
its
first
iteration
I
opposed
its
design,
because
I
found
its
Reliance
on
two
high,
retaining
walls
too
destructive
to
the
historic
Topography
of
this
classic
Montford
Hillside
site
I
have
carefully
reviewed
the
new
and
revised
drawings
and
find
them
a
creative
Improvement
for
the
site.
A
single,
less
obstructive
and
lower
retaining
wall
is
now
being
proposed,
accompanied
by
a
more
moderate
shaping
of
this
Hillside.
L
Although
the
four-story
mixed-use,
residential
and
commercial
building
and
surface
parking
lot
proposed
for
the
corner
of
Broadway
and
Starnes
Avenue
is
not
within
the
historic
district,
it's
excellent
design
fits
well
with
the
entire
development
I
attended.
The
December
21st
community
meeting
required
by
the
city
and
found
the
presentation
by
the
developer,
and
the
discussion
with
the
large
neighborhood
group
present
to
have
been
Mutual.
Creative
and
constructive
I
do
agree
with
my
neighbors
that
Landscaping
should
be
added
along
the
edge
of
Starnes
Avenue,
as
discussed
at
the
meeting
with
these
desirable
changes.
L
F
B
F
F
F
Was
that
intentional,
to
like
differentiate
the
two
as
having
a
different
style?
Okay,
because
it
does
go
a
little
bit
more
like
Gothic
Revival
Victorian
than
the
other
building,
so
I
would
say
you
know
how
the
commission
feels
about
them
not
being
exactly
the
same
in
their
in
their
design.
Style
I
think
it's
helpful
to
make
it
look
like
two
separate
residences.
K
B
The
street
on
on
Elizabeth
place,
you
can
sort
of
read
them
as
separate
properties.
If
you
wanted
to
now.
It's
obviously
denser
than
you
know
in
the
spacing
between
the
two
is
less
than
it
would
be
if
there
were
two
houses,
but
I
think
I
appreciate
the
effort
of
making
that
distinction
between
the
two,
because
I
think
it
does
sort
of
scale
down
the
bigness
of
the
whole
development.
A
B
B
You
know
I
think
it's!
You
know.
We
never
really
ask
new
buildings
in
Muffler
to
be
completely
invisible
in
terms
of
their
how
historic
they
look
right.
I
mean
we
don't
ever
see
really
any
of
our
single-family
development
in
Ash
and
Mofford,
really
looking.
You
can
always
tell
they're
new
and
so
I.
You
know
in
some
ways
it's
no
different
than
that
and
I
think
there
is.
A
B
You
know
a
little
bit
sharper
edges
of
some
stuff
and
you
know,
but
it's
it's
not
a
historic
building
and
I
think
we
do
a
disservice
to
ask
it
to
be
completely
to
read
completely
historic,
but
I
was
also
around
many
years
ago.
I
did
miss
that
particular
meeting,
but
I.
It
certainly
has
come
a
long
ways.
F
N
P
B
A
A
A
A
D
The
Brick
base
to
Alex's
Point
in
the
staff
report,
yeah
the
height
of
the
brick
base
and
I
totally
get
what
you
were
saying
about.
You
know,
there's
con,
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
contacts,
there's
robust
context
in
Montford
for
having
a
brick
Foundation
or
a
brick
base,
and
looking
there
along
Elizabeth
place.
We
see
that
what
we
don't
see
it,
particularly
in
the
Elizabeth
Place
context,
is
having
that
brick
carried
to
the
level
of
the
sill
right.
P
I
A
F
A
P
I
P
B
K
S
B
B
P
F
C
A
P
H
P
F
N
B
E
P
AA
B
I
C
A
C
G
C
AA
If
you,
if
you
think
back
to
119
Cumberland,
there's
existing
brick,
that
is
along
one
Frontage
and
along
the
other,
Frontage
there's
actually
city,
the
city
improved
the
sidewalk
and
they
did
concrete,
and
so
the
following
that
rationale:
there's
existing
concrete
there
now
on
site
and
we'll
be
improving
it
and
bringing
it
up
to
code.
So
that's
what
we're
proposing
the
concrete.
C
A
B
F
F
B
With
the
density
on
the
site,
there's
really
it's
lending
itself
to
an
awful
lot
more
structure
than
we
would
see
with
with
a
single
family
development.
You
know
house
on
there
there's
just
not
that
much
yard
left.
So
if
we
are
saying
that
multi-family
and
higher
density
development
is
appropriate
in
Montford
I
think
we
have
to
a
little
bit
work
with
work
with
that
I
think
the
variety
from
unit
from
building
to
building
on.
B
A
B
I
really
love
that
for
sure
you
know
so
I
think
that
we've
got
some
there's
some
formality
to
how
the
development
is
proposed
or
how
it
seems
to
want
to
work
on
the
site
and
using
the
buildings
to
navigate
that
topography.
I
think
was
really
smart,
smart
things
so
I
think
I'm
kind
of
okay,
with
that
and
I
think
having
a
variety
from
unit
to
unit
helps
reinforce
that.
B
P
A
C
S
J
S
Yeah
Madam
chair,
based
on
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Seven
pages
exhibit
B
photographs
of
existing
structure
to
be
demolished.
Three
pages
Exhibit
C
photographs
of
sample.
Excuse
me
of
example,
structures.
Three
pages,
exhibit
d
new
construction,
worksheet
number
one
four
pages
exhibit
e
new
construction.
Worksheet
number
two
four
pages
exhibit
F
site
plans;
eight
pages
exhibit
G
building
plans,
14
pages
exhibit
H
Roofing
specifications,
404
Pages
exhibit
I
lighting
specifications,
three
pages
exhibit
J,
citing
specifications,
11
pages
exhibit
K
Window
and
Door
specifications.
S
Wood
railing
with
square
pickets
space
four
inches
on
Center,
not
4.5,
right,
okay,
secondary
porch
on
front
elevation
will
have
metal,
standing,
seam,
hip
roof
with
wood
tongue
and
groove
flooring.
Wood
railing
with
square
pickets,
space,
four
inches
on
Center
and
wood
tongue
and
groove
ceiling.
Rear
elevation
will
have
two
tri-level
covered
porches
with
wood
tongue
and
groove
flooring
and
ceilings
and
wood.
Railings
matching
porches
on
front
matching
porches
on
front
elevation
basement
level
of
rear
elevation
will
have
single
entry
door
with
metal
standing.
S
Seam
roof
covering
supported
by
decorative
brackets
windows
will
be
jet
when
gelt,
wind,
aluminum,
Cloud,
401,
sdl
single
hung,
20
light
casement
and
four
light.
Fixed
pedestrian
doors
will
be
clad.
Wood
with
Ford
lights.
Eight
light
siding
and
eight
light
fixed
B
building,
2
construct
new
two
and
a
half
story:
8495
square
foot
structure
with
brick,
Foundation
smooth
painted
stucco
and
Cedar
Shake,
siding,
smooth
fiber
cement,
trim,
fascia
and
soffits,
and
asphalt
shingle
roof
and
weathered
wood
color
with
decorative
brackets
and
fiber.
Cement,
Vents
and
Gable
ends
main
entryway
on
front.
S
Elevation
will
be
set
within
covered
porch,
with
metal
standing,
seam
shed,
roof
supported
by
decorative
brackets
wood
tongue
and
groove
flooring
and
wood
railing
with
square
pickets.
Space
four
inches
on
Center
secondary
porches
on
front
elevation
will
have
metal,
standing,
seam,
hip
roof
with
wood
tongue
and
groove
flooring.
Wood
railing
with
square
pickets,
space,
four
inches
on
Center
and
wood
tongue
and
groove
ceiling.
S
Rear
elevation
will
have
one
tri-level
covered
porch
with
wood
tongue
and
groove
flooring
and
ceilings
and
wood
railings
matching
porches
on
front
elevation
basement
level
of
rear
elevation
will
have
dual
entry
doors
with
metal
standing
seam
roof,
covering
supported
by
10
inch
by
10
inch
fiber
cement
trim
wrapped
in
Wood
posts
windows
will
be
gel
gelled
when
aluminum,
clad,
401,
sdl
single
hung,
20
light
casement
and
four
light.
Fixed
pedestrian
doors
will
be
clad.
S
Wood
with
four
lights,
eight
light
siding
and
eight
light
fixed
C
site
work,
remove
12,
mature
trees
to
accommodate
construction
construct,
20
space,
concrete
parking
area
adjacent
to
Eastern
property
boundary,
install
two
12-inch
Duke
Mitchell
Black,
Metal,
light
fixtures
adjacent
to
parking
area,
construct
concrete,
concrete
handicap
ramp
with
black
metal
handrail
and
walkways
adjacent
to
rear
building.
Elevations
construct.
Five
foot
tall,
seven
by
five
by
16,
painted
wood,
trash
enclosure
and
nine
foot
by
five
foot
tall
Boulder
retaining
wall
between
parking
area
and
Northern
property
boundary
construct
a
courtyard
with
gravel
path
and
brick
seat.
S
Wall
between
structures,
construct,
concrete
walkways
from
front
property
boundary
to
entryways
at
front
elevations.
Foundation
plantings
will
be
installed,
ground
cover
must
be
established
within
15
days
of
completion
of
construction,
and
the
remainder
of
the
Landscaping
must
be
installed
within
three
years.
If
archaeological
resources
are
discovered
during
site,
work,
work
will
cease
until
City
staff
have
been
notified
and
have
expected
the
site.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
C
S
adopted
on
April
14,
2010
and
amended
December
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
new
primary
structures
are
cited
so
that
they
are
similar
to
the
historic
pattern
in
terms
of
orientation
setback,
retention
of
green
space
and
spacing
between
structures.
B
new
primary
structures
are
designed
so
that
the
overall
character
of
the
adjacent,
streetscape
and
building
site
is
maintained.
S
C,
new
primary
structures
are
compatible
and
height,
roof
form,
scale,
massing
footprint,
material,
detail,
fenestration
and
proportion
with
surrounding
historic
buildings
and
other
historic
buildings
in
the
district,
D
location
inside
of
Window
and
Door
openings
are
compatible
and
placement
orientation
spacing
proportion,
size
and
scale
with
surrounding
historic
buildings.
E
materials
and
finishes
are
typical
of
those
found
in
the
district.
F
new
site
features
will
be
compatible
with
the
site
and
District
in
terms
of
Dimension
configuration
materials,
color
and
texture.
A
B
S
Based
on
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reason
set
or
therein
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriate
must
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions,
if
applicable,
one,
the
following
items
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
proposal.
Stone
sample
brick
sample
specifications
for
Chimney
Cap,
revised
railing
details.
C
B
A
A
B
C
Yeah
I'll
just
briefly
say
that
the
annual
report
to
the
city
council
this
month,
and
so
that
was
also
draft,
that
I
only
heard
back
from
the
world.
But
if
anybody
has
any
other
comments
or
thoughts,
it's
obviously
cover
all
the
things
that
we
accomplished
in
the
past
year
and
highlight
this
and
then
goals
are
oftentimes.