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A
Good
afternoon,
I'm
chair,
darren,
green
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
june
9
2022
asheville
area
river
redevelopment
commission
meeting.
The
purpose
of
the
aarc
is
to
recommend
to
the
city
and
county
an
overall
policy
for
the
continued
development
and
sustainability
of
the
regional
riverfront.
A
The
commission
provides
recommendations
to
the
city
and
county
for
effective
management
of
the
public
resources
for
the
districts
and
actively
pursues
and
assists
private
sector
investments
in
the
districts.
The
commission
is
made
up
of
14
members
representing
the
city
of
asheville,
the
council
of
independent
business
owners,
riverlink
asheville
city
council,
buncombe,
county
commission
and
the
town
of
woodfin.
Our
committees
consist
of
mobility
and
transportation
connections
and
public
safety,
including
river
recreation
and
water
quality.
A
All
commission
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
this
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
pursuant
to
north
carolina
general
statute,
166
a
19.24
f.
This
will
be
a
remote
meeting
which
the
public
can
access
by
any
of
the
following
means.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
by
phone
by
calling
855-925-2801.
A
The
meeting
code
number
is
9385
for
callers
to
call
and
then
listen,
send
comments
by
email
to
riverfront
commission
june
9
at
public
input
dot
com
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
I'll
call
this
meeting
to
order
it's
403
pm,
I'm
going
to
call
roll
call.
When
you
hear
your
name
simply
say
here.
B
C
A
D
A
Samantha
cole,
not
president
jim
mcallister,
also
not
president.
We
do
have
enough
members
for
quorum.
So
we'll
begin
our
meeting.
We
will
review
minutes
and
vote
on
those
in
the
june.
I'm
sorry!
In
the
july
meeting
we
have
some
continuing
business.
We're
gonna,
introduce
mike
sewell
from
asheville
on
bikes,
who's
gonna,
give
us
a
presentation
on
asheville
unpaved
mike.
It's
all
yours.
E
Thank
you
for
having
me
today
can
I
share
my
screen.
F
E
So
I'm
with
you,
my
slimes
are
almost
done.
I'm
with
you
today
to
share
out
the
actual
unpaid
initiative,
which
is
a
partnership
between
asheville
on
bikes,
pisgah
area
sorba.
E
They
are
the
mountain
biking
association
that
maintains
and
manages
most
of
the
the
trail
systems
in
western
north
carolina
and
connect
buncombe,
which
is
a
focus
of
building
greenway
systems
throughout
buncombe
county.
So
between
asheville
on
bikes,
pisgah
area,
sorba,
connect,
buncombe
and
a
partnership
with
the
city
of
asheville.
We
have
pursued
this
actual
unpaved
initiative
and
what
is
asheville
unpaved?
E
It's
the
idea
of
building
a
series
of
interconnected
natural
surface
trails
throughout
the
city
of
asheville,
primarily
built
on
public
lands
and
on
some
lands
that
are
privately
owned.
I'll
get
to
that
later
in
the
presentation.
Why
do
we
want
to
do
this?
The
number
one
reason
is
this
idea
of
front
door
access
to
trails.
E
If
you
think
about
mountain
biking
in
our
city
generally,
you
it
requires
a
car
and
you
are
driving
to
bent
creek
or
richmond
hill
or
pisgah
national
forest,
and
what
we're
working
on
creating
is
a
complementary
system
that
will
allow
people
to
access
the
natural
world
forested
areas
and
parks
via
by
leaving
their
front
door
hopping
on
a
bicycle,
slipping
on
a
pair
of
running
shoes
or
walking
down
the
street,
and
then
we've
obviously
identified
the
health
and
wellness
increased
sense
of
community
neighborhood
connectivity
and
more
trails
built
for
fewer
dollars,
and
I
will
return
to
that
concept
in
a
bit
the
goals
of
the
current
planning
of
the
process.
E
This
is
working
with
the
city,
but
having
a
community-led
process,
I
mentioned
the
three
non-profits
on
our
work
and
develop
a
trail
guidelines
treat
and
implement
pilot
projects
or
the
phase
one
trails
which
I'll
be
sharing
with
you
shortly.
I've
already
mentioned
here
your
the
logos
of
the
partners,
pisgah
area,
sorba,
asheville
on
bikes,
connect,
buncombe
and,
of
course,
the
city
of
asheville.
E
What
did
what
does
the
system
offer?
Equitable
systems,
fewer
trails
for
fewer
dollars,
sustainably
built
trail
system
and
nonprofit
investment,
we're
not
just
coming
to
the
city
asking
them
to
do
something.
We
are
actively
investing
real
dollars
in
this
this
initiative,
and
this
is
a
quick
scope
of
what
we've
have
accomplished
so
far.
E
We
started
organizing
loosely
in
2019
and,
most
recently,
we
have
a
memorandum
of
agreement
between
the
non-profit
partners
on
how
to
move
the
actual
unpaved
alliance
forward,
we're
currently
working
with
the
city
on
a
formal
mou
and
are
pursuing
funding
mechanisms
for
this
phase.
One
trail
systems,
and
then
we
are
also
getting
on
a
variety
of
neighborhood
and
community
agendas
to
share
out
asheville
on
pave.
E
This
is
the
logo
that
we
came
up
with,
and
it's
kind
of
based
on
this
idea
that
we
were
kicking
around
earlier
and
when
we
were
just
getting
together
sort
of
one.
An
under
leveraged
feature
of
the
city
of
asheville
is
that
we
have
these
wonderful
pockets
of
the
natural
world
that
twist
and
turn
and
arrive
in
the
incredible
built
environment
that
we
have
and
it's
a
very
unique
experience
to
asheville
I
mean
I
ride
my
bicycle.
E
So
let's
hop
into
the
first
phase
one
of
the
trails:
these
are
the
areas
that
have
been
identified
to
build
the
trail
systems
and
I'll
just
hop
right
into
the
map.
E
This
is
our
connect
activity,
map,
I'll,
try
and
load
it
up.
There
we
go,
and
so
you
have
french
broad
river
west.
The
coat
branch
mountainside
and
then
way
over
here
in
east
you've
got
the
river
ridge
and
azalea
park.
So
these
circles
represent
the
phase
one
alignments
of
asheville
unpaved
and
the
red
lines
that
you
see
are
the
existing
roadways
that
we
would
use
to
connect
from
one
alignment
into
the
next.
E
One
of
the
great
things
about
this
project
is,
unlike
any
other
greenway
project
that
we've
seen
thus
far.
This
project
creates
immediate
circuitry
connecting
from
one
end
of
the
city
to
another
end
of
the
city,
and
that
is
best
really
experienced
with
this
alliance.
With
these
three
alignments,
the
french
broad
river
west,
the
pakote
branch
and
the
mountainside
park,
the
the
two
on
the
eastern,
the
azalea
and
the
river
ridge.
E
These
are
going
to
really
be
fully
maximized
and
realized
once
the
swannanoa
greenway
is
implemented,
so
I'll
go
through
the
couple
of
the
individual
alignments.
This
is
the
bakote
branch
here
is
asheville
middle
school
ashton
park.
Here's
clingman
hill
or
clingman
avenue.
Excuse
me,
so
this
alignment
is
right:
adjacent
to
asheville
middle
school.
One
of
the
reasons
that
it's
the
primary
reason
why
ashland
bikes
got
involved
in
this
program,
because
we've
been
running
a
youth
cycling
program
for
about
10
years
and
the
students
that
we
serve.
E
Although
they're
living
right
in
the
middle
of
like
mountain
biking
mecca,
they
have
the
least
access
to
experience,
mountain
biking
in
in
western
north
carolina
and
out
of
you
know
the
30
40
hours
of
cycling
instruction
that
they
get
from
us
per
semester.
They
can
get
it
maybe
20
minutes
of
riding
the
dirt,
because
we
have
to
load
kids
up.
We
got
to
get
them
into
a
bus.
We
got
to
get
the
bikes
off
and
back
and
forth.
So
we
really
identify
the
need
for
access
to
teaching
mountain
biking
skills.
E
The
red
line
denotes
cycling,
specific,
like
your
traditional
mountain
bike
trail
and
then
the
green
would
be
a
natural
surface
multi-use
trail.
So
that's
all
the
uses.
That's
biking,
running
walking
dog,
walking
bird
watching
bench
sitting.
All
of
those
things,
the
coke
branch.
These
are
the
opinionated
construction
costs
right
now
of
of
what
it
would
cost,
and
then
this
is
obviously
the
river
arts
district
right
here
is
the
built
out.
Wilma
dickman
greenway
across
the
river
here
is
the
dog
park
and
you'll
see
the
hashed
yellow
line.
E
That
is
the
french
broad
river
west
greenway
that
is
currently
under
construction,
and
what
we
are
proposing
is
that
you
would
have
like
a
spur
alignment
that
would
be
a
natural
surface.
That
would
be
the
green
again,
the
the
multi-use
and
then
you
would
also
create
a
cycling
specific
alignment
in
this
area
as
well.
And
so
again
you
can
start
to
see
how
the
pakote
branch
and
the
french
broad
river
west
alignments
complement
one
another.
E
Mountainside
park,
which
is
a
bow
catcher
and
to
orient
everyone,
here's
memorial
stadium
here
is
mccormick
field
and
there's
an
old
logging
road
right
that
currently
exists
right
now
that
serves
as
sort
of
a
greenway
in
in
the
in
the
rough,
and
this
again
would
be
another
system
of
multi-use,
and
then
up
here
is
where
we
would
have
an
opportunity
to
put
some
more
advanced
skills
for
cyclists
to
enjoy.
E
And
then
the
the
costs.
E
Here's
the
east
asheville
azalea
park,
the
again
this
yellow
line
is
the
swannanoa.
The
future
swannanoa
greenway
here
are
the
thomas
wolfe
cabins
and
we
sort
of
have
like
a
lollipop
multi-use
experience
out
here
and
then
an
alignment
that
cut
comes
off
of
the
what
will
be
eventually
the
swan
of
noah
greenway.
That
would
take
you
to
highland
brewing.
E
And
then
the
cost.
This
is
the
one
alignment
that
is
proposed
for
private
property
and
would
require
a
an
easement
that
would
allow
public
access.
But
here
is
this
is
kind
of
like
the
walmart
area.
There's
the
traffic
circle.
I
think
that's
like
cheddars,
there's
an
existing
greenway
here
and
then
the
proposed
ashvalente
system
would
tie
in
and
then
you
would
be
able
to
reconnect
with
the
greenway
here
and
the
estimated
costs.
E
Okay,
the
total,
the
total
costs
is
a
million
dollars
is
what
we've
budgeted
for
this
project.
An
average
cost
of
the
greenway
mile
is
about
1
million
dollars,
and
the
asheville
on
page
is
about
9.5
miles
of
trail
system
and
that
that
is
only
that
is
only
the
the
alignments
that
does
not
include
the
slow
neighborhood
streets
that
would
connect
one
facility
to
the
next.
E
That's
a
great
question
and
one
that
we're
getting
a
lot
of
questions
about
I've.
In
my
opinion,
the
mountainside
park
it
would
be
is
going
has
the
most
potential
to
be
the
crown
jewel
of
the
first
phase
of
the
asheville
on
paper,
and
that
is
just
an
amazing,
beautiful
part
of
our
city.
It's
also
probably
the
most
complex
to
build.
E
So
when
we
look
at
through
the
aob
values
of
equity
and
access,
the
two
alignments
that
would
be
the
priority
would
be
the
code
branch
that
connects
to
asheville
middle
school
and
then
also
the
french
broad
river
west
alignment.
And
the
reason
for
that
is
being
is
that
the
asheville
unpaved
is
fully
realized
when
you
have
the
mix
of
the
natural
world
and
then
rolling
out
into
the
built
environment
and
then
back
into
the
natural
world.
E
So
that
would
be
the
highest
return
and
sort
of
the
proof
of
concept,
and
secondarily
it
would
serve
our
youth
cycling
program
to
the
max.
E
Right
now,
the
you
know
shoot
the
moon
and
scale
from
there.
The
in
terms
of
the
return
on
the
investment,
it's
relatively
easy
to
do
the
trail
systems
to
to
build
and
in
terms
of
retaining
a
builder.
We
feel
like
over
time
it's
going
to
be
less
expensive
to
hire
someone
to
build
it
all
out
at
once
than
to
piecemeal
it
over
time.
So
our
target
right
now
is
to
raise
it.
E
We
have
applied
for
the
tourism
development
grant
for
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
we're
currently
working
on
a
development
plan
to
raise
that
additional
five
hundred
thousand.
So
well
as
much
as
I
don't
like
to
use
the
metaphor
of
hitting
the
gas,
that's
exactly
what
aob
and
our
partners
is
doing
on
this
project.
I
mean
you
know
the
these
urban
natural
surface
trails
are
popping
up
in
cities
all
over
the
country,
and
you
know
we're
not
really
trying
to
do
anything.
E
You
know
we're
not
trying
to
do
something
amazing,
because
this
the
these
are
already
implemented
in
cities.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
trying
to
to
play
catch-up
we're
trying
to
get
there.
H
H
Yeah,
so
this
is
the
actual
surface.
Are
you
talking
about
gravel,
like
a
road
bomb
kind
of
material.
E
So
that's
a
really
good
question,
so
the
natural
surface,
and
so
the
I
guess,
the
one
answer
to
it.
There's
lots
of
answers.
There's
there's
lots
of
surface
options
for
the
natural
trail
system.
Some
of
it
will
be
like
dirt
that
you
would
just
like
ride
like
single
track
and
then
other
material
would
be
used
for
the
for
the
multi-use.
E
The
trail
surface
would
also
be
sort
of
you
know
engineered
or
to
to
drain,
and
so
different
materials
are
going
to
be
different
in
different
locations.
Does
that
make
sense?
I
don't
yeah.
H
I
I
it
does,
but
I
I'm
wondering
what
the
yearly
upkeep
of
this
will
be
compared
to
a
paved
surface.
H
E
E
They
were
not
designed
as
mountain
bike
trails
and
so
there's
a
there
has
been
a
ton
of
innovation
and
design
standards
for
trail
building
that
you
know,
we
really
don't
see
a
lot
of
it's
slowly
being
implemented
here,
so
we
want
to
design
them
with
sustainability
and
low
maintenance.
I
Yeah,
I
just
it's
more
of
a
yeah
I'd
like
to
know
how
we
can
support
this
as
an
organization
I
mean
I
like
this.
The
idea
of
public
private
is
always
intriguing
to
me.
This
isn't
really
public
private,
but
but
it
isn't
asked
it's
not
a
big
ask
from
the
city.
We,
you
know,
even
if
it's
a
letter
of
support
to
the
tda,
hopefully
when
the
the
change
in
legislation
comes
through,
there'll
be
more
tda
money
pretty
quickly.
I
E
E
Certainly,
for
the
tda
grant
a
letter
of
support
would
it
would
be
greatly
appreciated,
there's
that
and
then.
Secondly,
I
want
to
get
in
front
of
as
many
people
as
many
groups.
I
want
to
get
in
front
of
champ
champions,
skeptics
opposition
and
you
know,
share
this
idea
and
get
the
feedback
to
be
able
to
to
to
move
this
forward.
E
E
So,
like
I
mean
another
like
a
low-hanging
fruit
opportunity,
tim
would
be
like
asheville
on
pave
night
at
the
wedge,
where
we
just
set
up
the
alignments
and
there's
there's
more
than
a
few
of
us
who
can
talk
knowledgeably
about
what
the
work
that
we've
done
and
just
share
out
the
work
that
we're
doing.
I
A
Well
mike,
if
there's
no
more
questions,
thank
you
very
much
I'll
circle
back
with
you
on
getting
a
letter
and
support,
like
tim
and
probably
all
of
us,
we
think
this
is
a
fantastic.
A
E
Very
much
I
appreciate
that
there
thanks
for
the
opportunity
and
yeah
if
anyone
has
any
follow-up
questions,
I'd
love
to
talk
about
the
things
that
I'm
interested
in.
So
I
got
an
opinion
and
a
phone
number.
E
A
All
right
moving
on
we're
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
throw
the
microphone
to
ann
and
she
is
going
to
lead
the
discussion
on
the
water
quality
summit
number
two
to
be
held
in
september
at
our
september
meeting
and
and
it's
all
yours
thank
you.
J
Thank
you
darren.
Let
me
just
start
by
saying
this
is
a
follow-up
to
the
meeting
we
had
whatever
last
time
date
was
at
at
tim's
place
and
we
started
getting
information
from
deq
and
some
other
people
about
the
status
of
the
river
and
its
health
and
the
economic
impact
of
the
river.
J
So
there's
an
economy
piece
and
there's
a
river
water
quality
related
piece
that
I
think
everybody
ought
to
be
getting
interested
in
at
this
point
and
so
a
few
of
us
samantha
and
kate
and
darren,
and
I
got
together
sort
of
a
walking
impromptu,
brainstorming
a
week
or
eight
or
ten
days
ago,
down
by
the
river
just
to
think
through
to
offer
some
ideas
for
what
that
next
step
might
look
like
based
on
our
conversations
as
a
whole
commission,
and
so
we
put
together
some
ideas
we
wanted
to
share
with
you,
get
your
input
adjust
it
do
whatever
we
need,
so
that
we
can
begin
the
planning
an
earnest
for
that
next
event.
J
So
if,
if
that,
if
it's
okay,
I'm
gonna
share
this
draft
rough
sort
of
approach
that
we
put
together
to
see
how
everybody
feels
and
what
we
think
would
work.
J
J
What
we
this
we're
looking
for
were
to
lay
out
some
ideas
about
in
the
big
picture.
What
the
ultimate
goal
was,
what
the
short-term
goal
would
be
for
this
meeting,
we're
proposing
in
september
I'll
come
back
and
go
through
this
much
more
in
detail
in
a
minute,
but
then
the
when
and
where
and
who
we
would
invite
and
then,
of
course,
how
we
would
step
through
the
whole
meeting.
J
Our
big
picture
goal
at
the
end
of
our
effort
would
be
to
get
a
group
of
stakeholders
from
various
subgroups
in
the
community
to
help
all
of
us
better,
protect
our
river
and
its
health
through
development
of
a
coordinated
plan,
and
I
think
that
that
will
take
some
time
and
effort,
but
it
is
the
final
goal,
I
hope
and
then
next
thing
would
be
to
implement
it
and
help
to
help
to
garner
support
for
that
as
well.
That
would
be
another
step
we
could
take,
but
in
the
interim
we
wanted
to
look
at.
J
You
know,
following
up
a
little
bit
more
and
some
some
folks
who
weren't
at
the
last
meeting,
didn't
see
the
presentation
from
deq
and
and
others
about
this.
But
you
know
we
wanted
to
look
at
the
causes
of
the
of
the
water
quality
problems
and
there
they
still
have
not
done
a
press
release
for
it,
but
we
talked
to
deq
the
other
day.
It's
just
a
matter
of
paperwork
and
bureaucracy.
J
We
know
that
19
miles
of
the
river
from
just
about
long
shoals,
road,
all
the
way
up
to
the
to
the
craggy
dam
in
woodfin,
will
now
be
added
to
the
list
of
impaired
waters,
largely
due
to
bacteria
and
sediments,
and
then
we
have
the
coat
branch
and
nasty
branch.
I
think
added
and
some
some
fairly
big
areas
along
the
swan
and
noaa.
J
So
you
know
these
are
pretty
important
areas
for
us
as
a
community
relative
to
outside
activities
that
mike
was
just
talking
about
and
and
and
and
to
the
business
end
of
it,
where
the
outfitters
and
all
the
developers
are
now
adding
more
and
more
investment
down
there
at
the
river
and
up
in
woodfin
and
it'll
next,
be
in
marshall
and
so
forth.
So
this
is
trying
to
stop
things
from
getting
worse
and
help
them
get
better.
J
So
we
imagined
that
we
could
perhaps
set
it
up
in
september
early
september
for
the
regular
meeting
set
it
up
for
two
hours
and
then
the
invitees.
You
can
see
the
list,
there
will
be.
The
commission,
city
and
county
staff
might
be
like
we
had
russ,
davis
from
and
and
amy
and
greg,
I
think
were
there
from
storm
water
in
the
city
and
get
the
county
to
provide
some
folks.
J
The
non-profits,
the
businesses
that
are
related
to
this
whole
area
and
future
areas,
elected
officials.
We
certainly
would
love
to
have
them,
participate,
design,
experts,
developers
and
you
see
the
dot
dot.
So
we
would
have
to
think
about
who
would
be
the
most
critical
who
we
can
focus
on
this
topic
and
begin
to
develop
a
group
that
would
work
on
it.
So
then,
once
we
get
them
there
and
we
haven't
located
a
place,
but
we've
talked
about
it
as
a
group.
Brainstorming
about
that
as
well.
J
Maybe
steph
can
share
some
information,
I'm
not
sure
yet,
and
then
you
know
bring
everyone
together.
J
Do
a
presentation
briefly
bringing
everybody
up
to
the
same
moment
having
provided,
perhaps
background
information
beforehand,
and
we
imagine
these
folks
being
you
know,
invited
I
don't
know
how
well
it
will
work
people
just
showing
up
and
of
course,
if
a
few
people
did
it's
a
public
meeting,
we
can
move
them
into
the
groups
but
break
up
into
groups
so
that
we
have
a
good
distribution
of
all
those
different
representatives.
You
know
business
developer,
non-profit
city
staff,
all
those
you
know
kind
of
in
each
group
as
much
as
we
can.
J
We
think
that
that
the
members
of
the
commission
would
would
be
serving
as
facilitators
so
that
at
each
table
for
example,
we
would
have
somebody
keeping
things
moving
following
up
somebody
helping
to
take
notes,
and
we
would
provide
between
now
and
then,
of
course,
a
set
of
comments
or
questions
and
topics
to
focus
on
so
that
the
time
you
spend
with
each
other
around
these
tables
will
produce
some
thoughts.
Some
you
know
what
we
can
pull
together.
It
might
be
how
we're
gonna
you
know.
What
are
we
gonna
do
to
improve
the
water
quality?
J
What
coalition
could
work
on
a
plan?
What
you
know
neighborhoods
may
be
able
to
contribute
some
effort.
Nonprofits
may
be
able
to
so
all
those
pieces
around
there.
That
could
discuss
parts
we
have
to
nail
down,
but
the
idea
would
be
after
that
to
come
to
some
kind
of
agreement
about
how
we
would
put
together
a
plan,
certainly
in
conjunction
with
the
city
and
county.
We
can't
do
it
without
them.
They
have
resources,
knowledge,
staff
and
so
forth.
J
We
want
to
have
a
plan
to
help
then
get
implemented,
and
then
we
would
have
a
return
to
the
whole
group
and
discuss
you
know
what
the
findings
were,
what
people
thought
about
it,
how
it
worked
and
then
finally,
coming
to
some
agreement
about
our
next
steps
and
as
much
as
possible
to
condense,
down
what
we
discussed
and
what
the
results
of
all
of
it
were
into
several
bullets,
so
that
we
can
convey
that
to
various
people
and
get
them
to
be.
You
know,
contributors
and
involved
in
it
as
well.
J
So
I
don't
know
I
can
unshare
this.
I
can,
you
know,
do
whatever
I
wanted.
We
wanted
to
get
samantha
and
I
and
kate
and
darren
for
sure,
wanted
to
get
some
input
on
this
and
you
know
have
comment
from
everybody.
So
if
you
can
I'm
trying
to
stop
sharing
here
somehow
I've
he
did
oh
good,
then
I
need
to
go
back
to
the
camera
myself.
I
guess
okay,
so
I
don't
know
if
people
want
to
give
some
comments,
thoughts,
questions
additions,
what
you
did
or
didn't
like
all
of
that
stuff.
J
You
know
tim,
it
depends
on
the
number
of
people,
but
I
mean
if
and
also
somewhat
depends,
and
we
need
to
talk
with
steph
and
others
about
where,
because
we
brainstormed,
like,
I
said,
a
few
locations.
But
let's
just
imagine
if
everybody
on
this
commission
was
there,
that's
14
to
start
with
plus
a
couple
of
city
staff.
J
J
I
I
It's
a
big
responsibility
to
to
do
each
one
right
so
and
that's
only
a
couple
meetings,
not
a
whole
lot
of
time
in
between.
So
that's
my
thought.
That's
because
I
think
you
what
you're
doing
is
terrific-
and
it's
really
I
mean
I'm
sitting
here
by
the
river
in
marshall,
and
I
know
that
somebody
I
could
bring
from
marshall.
That's
involved.
J
Oh,
that
would
be
great
yeah
and
we
totally
get
what
you're
saying
when
we
had
a
conversation
about
that
we
need
to
have
at
the
end
of
the
discussion
we're
going
to
have
now
right
now
we
need
to
have
people
volunteer
for
these
key
positions
and
some
others
and
and
then
we
can
have
conversation
about
what
needs
to
be
done
at
each.
You
know
for
at
each
table,
so
we've
got
you
know
a
very
coordinated
and,
and
there
would
be
some
prep
ahead
of
time.
Obviously,
so
I
appreciate
your
comment,
joe.
H
J
Well,
we
agree
with
you
and
we
went
back
and
forth
quite
a
bit
in
our
conversation
to
develop
that
draft
about
the
time
how
much
people
would
be
willing
to
put
into
it.
You
know
people
start
drifting
off
before
you
know
it.
Then
you
got
to
give
them
dinner
and
breakfast
you
know,
and
so
really
what
happens
is.
J
As
tim
said,
we
have
to
have
people
who
keep
people
on
time.
This
is
no
don't
get
off
on
that
tangent.
This
is
what
we're
working
on
and
we
have
to
follow
through
and
be
very
organized
about
what
we're
going
to
do.
You
can't
just
let
it
be
chit
chat
over
here
and
there,
so
it
does
require
strict
almost
like
discipline
about
it.
H
Well,
you've
thought
this
through
and
it
makes
sense
so
I
I
just
this
was
wondering.
J
Yeah,
it's
going
to
be
a
challenge.
We
we
originally
had
more
time
in
it
and
then
folks
said
you
know
that's
a
lot
of
time
and
we
don't
know
how
many
people
are
going
to
be
able
to
stay
or
we'll
be
willing
to
stay
that
long.
So
that
just
puts
us
in
a
position
where
we
have
to
really
stick
to
the
plan
when
we
get
there.
A
And-
and
we
you
had
this-
you
had
shared
that
we
would.
We
would
have
some
sort
of
a
script
right,
some
an
outline
of
what
to
discuss
in
in
the
group
setting.
So
that
would.
J
A
And
do
you
imagine
that
the
scripts
I'll
call
it
or
the
the
questions
would
be
unique
to
each
group
or
they
would
be
the
same
questions.
J
I
imagine,
and
certainly
people
could
weigh
in
on
this,
but
I
imagine
they're
all
the
same,
because
if
you
start
having
all
these
different
questions-
and
you
really
don't
have
a
good
way
to
pull
it
together,
if
you've
got
a
rep
from
each
of
the
topic,
each
of
the
the
list
of
groups
that
we
had
up
there,
all
those.
If
you
have
somebody
pretty
much
from
each
of
those
around
the
table,
then
you're
going
to
have
the
knowledge
that
you
need
and
you're
going
to
just
get
it.
J
J
K
I
think
that
the
questions
are
going
to
be
really
critical
to
make
sure
that
they're
dialed
in
really
well.
I
almost
think
that
that
is
as
important
or
maybe
even
more
important
than
who's
facilitating
to
make
sure
that
and
then
maybe
even
prioritizing
them.
So
if
we
have
four
questions,
we
want
to
go
through
make
sure
that
the
top
the
first
two
are
the
ones
that
are
the
most
important
just
in
case.
K
J
Yeah,
that's
that's
a
good
point.
I
do
think
we
have.
We
can
have
some
training
on
shushing,
though,
because
I
think
you
have
to
shush.
You
have
to
say
okay,
you
know,
people
know
that
I'm
really
badly
good
at
this
I'd
say
time
is
up,
we
gotta
move
and
we
we
stop
that
conversation
we
move
to
the
next
one.
That's
how
you
shush
it
may
not
be
as
nice
as
you
would
do,
but
it
is
the
way
we
all
have
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
that
out.
Catherine
you're
right.
L
I
agree
just
that
the
time
keeping
is
going
to
be
an
important
component
of
this
and
also
just
making
sure
that
the
discussion
as
it's
being
moderated
by
whomever
is
sitting
whichever
individual
is
kind
of
taking
on
those
responsibilities
within
each
group
is
doing
the
best
that
they
can
to
kind
of
punctuate.
The
discussion
with
reminders.
L
But
hopefully
the
discussion
is:
is
action
driven
and
action
focused
so
that
we
can
walk
away
with
actionable
takeaways,
as
you
were
saying
before
so
maybe
just
a
matter
of
sending
out
a
table
setting
message
or
two
or
choosing
folks
who
are
going
to
be
or
were
willing
to
volunteer
to
sort
of
lead
within
those
breakout
groups
ahead
of
time
to
say
these
are
going
to
be
our
goals
and
just
a
reminder,
please
feel
empowered
to
guide
the
conversation
as
you
need
to
with
this
goal
in
mind.
J
H
J
It
is
hard
joe
all
these
many
of
us
have
had
these
meetings
been
that
these
meetings
led
these
meetings
before
it's
a
challenge.
But
if
you
don't
want
to
end
up
with
frustrated
people
and
no
outcome,
you
have
to
have
a
backbone
and
say:
okay
guys,
we
need
to
move
on.
It's
just
how
it
has
to
be.
I
I
know
you've
got
a
lot
to
offer,
but
we
need
to
move
on.
J
K
Well,
I
wonder
if
there
is
also
like
a
secondary,
like
follow-up
way
that
people
can
share
if
they
ran
out
of
time
right
if
they're,
I
don't
know
if
it's
writing
it
down
and
leaving
it
in
like
a
basket
like
additional
comments
or
something
or
a
follow-up
in
an
email.
I
J
C
J
Well,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea:
we
just
need
to
get
everybody
to
toe
the
line
and
we'll
have
to
figure
out
who's
interested
in
being
one
of
those
people,
and
you
know
christine,
I
figured
you
would
be.
J
J
J
A
A
In
the
media
yes
hold
on
one
second,
joe
does
does
the
do
our
bylaws
or
anything
prevent
us
from
including
the
public
in
this
work
setting.
A
F
J
A
C
F
J
It's
a
workshop
and,
to
be
honest,
I
mean
we're
gonna,
invite,
I
think
that's
another
thing
that
all
of
us
need
to
do
is
think
about
who
should
be
there,
so
we
can
invite
x,
number
of
developers
x,
number
of
designers
x,
number
of
this
or
that
or
the
other,
and
get
them
to
come,
and
we'll
have
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
other
people
who
decide
they
want
to
attend
and
haven't
been
notified
and
didn't
come
with
a
particular
background.
I
don't
know
how
any
of
that
works
or
how
it
should
work.
J
F
J
Other
thoughts
because
well
I
guess
what
we'll
need
to
do,
and
we
haven't
thought
this
through-
is
to
get
people
to
a
volunteer
to
be
a
facilitator
or
a
note
taker
or
whatever
other
roles
we
didn't
spec.
We
did
identify
in
their
facilitators
and
note
takers.
I
think
in
in
that
draft,
but
I
guess
when
are
we
meeting
again
darren
in
july.
J
So
maybe
between
now
and
the
next
meeting
we
could
get
people
to
think
about
what
they
want
to
do.
We've
already
got
christine
volunteered,
I
know
kaden,
sam
and
I
and
darren
will
definitely
take
a
roll.
We
need
to
think
about.
You
know
everybody
needs
to
pick
up,
something
and
tim,
I'm
sure
will
david
everybody
will.
So
we
just
need
to
get
people
set
up
so
that
by
the
next
meeting
at
least,
then
we
can
have
nailed
that
down
and
and
whatever.
K
D
H
He's
got
to
have
these
large
hammers
that
I
made
for
asheville
greenworks
to
use
for
pumpkin
smashing,
and
I
think
there
are
only
five
of
them,
but
we
give
those
to
the
shushers
and
if
the
people
don't
fish,
they
threaten
them
with
the
hammer.
D
That
sounds
good.
Joe
joe's
comment
had
great
wisdom,
though,
that
you
don't
want
to
have
a
meeting
with
a
foregone
conclusion.
I
thought
that
there
was
great
wisdom
in
what
he
said.
J
Well,
we
definitely
don't
have
any
foregone
conclusions,
but
we
the
point
we
were
making
jeremy
is.
We
got
to
keep
people
moving
because
there
is
only
an
hour
and
you
can
wander
off
into
all
kinds
of
theory,
and
you
know
talk
about
the
stars
and
at
the
end
of
it
you
don't
have
what
you
need
to
move
ahead.
K
K
K
K
How
do
we
take
all
this
synthesize
it
and
then
what
does
it
end
up
being
a
report
or
a
submission,
or
just
does
it
think
through
that
too?.
J
Yeah,
I
agree,
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
of
the
outline
we
had
it
included
that
you
know
the
next
step
after
it
would
be
to
take
that
information
and
hopefully,
during
the
meeting
we
would
in
and
even
before,
we
start
working
on
who,
from
each
of
these
categories,
can
spend
some
time
working
on
a
plan
and-
and
I
think
it'll
be
critical
to
get
the
right-
people
from
city
staff
and
county
staff,
the
stormwater
people
and
on
and
on
involved
in
order
to
come
up
with
some
of
these
prioritize
activities,
whatever
those
might
be,
and
you
know
in
the
end,
what
we
would
I
guess
want
to
do
is
give
this
to
city
manager
and
council
and
say
we
need
this
work
to
be
done,
and
maybe
it
needs
to
go
into
next
year's
budget
cycle.
J
How
much
do
you
know?
How
can
we
work
on
that
together
to
help
achieve
these
goals
that
everybody
has
identified
as
critical
for
this
community?
So
I
don't
know
exactly
what
that'll
look
like
kate,
but
that,
I
think,
is
we.
If
we
start
talking
about
it
and
looking
for
you
know
september
on
into
january,
I
think
is
when
the
work
starts
for
the
budget,
but
getting
things
ready.
That
would
be
more
conversations
and
discussions
with
various
people
about
it.
K
B
G
Today,
what
has
happened
is
a
group
that
isn't
like
a
proper
boarding
commission
like
if
this
board.
If
this
commission
is
doing
it,
then
yeah,
I
could
move
up
the
channels
it
would
be.
Sometimes
what
I
see
is
that
the
manager
city
manager
will
do
that
as
a
manager
report
a
out
on
a
particular
initiative.
B
G
Want
to
send
us
down
a
road
that
wouldn't
get
us
there,
but
I
think
I
can
ask
I'll
poke
around
at
it
and
see
what
is
best
for
procedure.
I
know:
there's
been
some
more
and
more
community
presentations
building,
we're
not
sure
how
to
you
know
equally
handle
them
all
and
share
them
all.
So
there's
some
discussion.
I
F
G
It's
happened
in
the
past
when
I'm
going
to
have
gone
through
and
been
reviewed,
and
you
know,
there's
been
like:
affordable
housing
presentations,
there's
been
some
things,
but
I
think
they
usually
land
in
the
manager's
report
as
updates
and
let
me
flush
it
out
a
little
okay.
A
Maybe
we
present
to
the
city
manager
first.
H
H
I
mean
what
is
it?
What
is
the
I
mean
you
say,
the
the
e
coli
and
sedimentation
are
the
parts
where
we
don't
meet.
The
standards
is
that
that
is
that
what
I
heard.
H
H
I
guess
so:
the
sediment
can
come
from
storm,
water
can
come
from
construction
sites
and
what?
Whatever.
H
H
Dog
parks
or
whatever,
okay.
J
J
On
this-
and
I
talked
about
it
at
another
meeting
that
we
had
so
there's-
there's
been
some
discussion
about
the
sources
and
causes
and
that's
what
we
want
to
delve
into
a
little
more
and
do
more
educating
on
and
get
people's
input
on.
J
H
J
J
About
what
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
deep
you
want
to
get
into
it,
but
I'll
try
to
send
you
something
joe.
A
And
what
do
you
think
about
opening
up
that
google
doc
for
comments
from
the
entire
commissioners?
As
far
as
like
who.
D
C
J
G
G
Yeah
I
mean
you
can
like,
if
you
create
a
google
doc,
and
people
are
dropping
information
in
it
great.
Maybe
you
link
to
that
google
doc
and
agenda.
I
don't
know
you
don't
have
to,
but
don't
start
commenting
about.
We
should
do
this
or
we
should
do
that
or
what,
if
we
did
this
instead,
because
that's
really
meant
to
be
in
the
public
meeting
portion.
G
That's
the
same
reason:
we
don't
email
like
that
kind
of
stuff
back
and
forth,
mm-hmm,
it's
a
brainstorm,
but
you
know,
and
actually
in
the
under
the
proposed
boards
and
commission
structure.
This
would
you
simply
say
we
need
a
working
group
to
focus
on
this.
Set
them
on
fire
go
and
it
wouldn't
be.
That
way,
which
is
an
interesting
twist.
G
A
J
F
As
staff,
I
will
add,
I
appreciated
kate,
saying
hey,
I'm
considering
what
happens
afterwards.
There's
also
a
before
words
part
to
talk
about.
We've
talked
about
it
a
little
bit
in
the
small
group,
and
that
is
marketing.
F
So
I
I
hear
ann
and
others
saying
that
you
don't
necessarily
want
a
hundred
people
there,
but
just
making
sure
that
if
there
are
are
people
that
should
hear
about
this
or
that
might
afterwards
say
how
come
this
wasn't
open
or
marketed
to
everyone.
We
don't
want
that
to
happen.
We
do
want
this
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
public
meeting
and,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
really
clear
information
for
anybody
that
might
want
to
come.
F
So
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
we
also
in
this
case,
might
want
to
ask
for
potential
rsvps
right.
So
it
could
look.
You
know
like
a
separate
evite
or
something
like
that.
Just
so
we
could
track,
and
if
there
is,
you
know
more
people
than
than
we
anticipated,
we
could
move
the
meeting.
J
F
It
may
be
four
weeks,
and
sometimes
I
think
I
hate
to
do
this
actually
because
I'm
not
on
facebook,
and
I
don't
think
it's
an
equal
way
to
get
to
people,
but
sometimes
we've
had
you
know.
We
have
used
facebook
event
pages
and
then
people
can
say
they
plan
on
attending.
At
least
you
have
an
idea
right.
You
know
not
everyone's,
not
using
facebook,
but.
A
G
J
No,
no,
I
think,
we'll
get
back
together
as
a
little
group
and
try
to
follow
up
on
this.
I
guess
and
come
back
to
you
with
some
more
we're
still
looking
for
the
location,
I
think
that's
important
and
the
date
is
what
was
it
september
8th
or
something
like
that?
I've
forgotten.
C
J
H
G
A
G
Yeah,
sorry,
we
didn't
actually
think
put
this
on
the
agenda,
but
I
do
have
a
few
things.
Let's
see
so
the
big
thing
that
we
are
dealing
with
next
week
is
the
budget
hearing
it'll
be
the
final
budget
hearing
before
we
adopt
a
budget.
It's
when
public
input
is
allowed
and
I'll
tell
you
just
kind
of
some
key
things.
G
It's
worth
mentioning
that
you
know
the
better,
the
tourism,
the
better
the
sales
tax
revenue
and
they're.
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
stabilize,
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
economy,
but
we're
trying
to
bet
on
a
you
know
certain
level
of
sales
taxes
and
then
property
taxes
did.
We
did
not
increase
taxes,
but
the
values
of
the
of
our
residential
houses
and
buildings
continue
to
climb.
So
therefore
we're
seeing
additional
property
tax
income-
I
mean
those
were
pretty
significant,
so
it's
letting
us
make
some
larger
initiatives.
G
One
thing
that
most
industries
are
dealing
with
is
staff,
staffing
issues,
loss
of
staffing
and
so
on.
I
think
you're
probably
all
touched
by
this
in
some
capacity,
so
we're
trying
to
do
a
larger
percentage
increase.
We've
traditionally
done
a
2.5
cost
of
living
increase
and
we're
looking
at
doing
a
five
similar
to
that
county.
G
We
also
have
an
increase
in
living
wages,
so
the
city,
the
just
economics
group,
does
the
certification
program
and
stuff
and
they
kind
of
keep
track
of
the
rents
for
the
area
which
determines
a
livable
wage
and
that
has
jumped
to
1770
and
there's
a
long
just
been
an
arduous
process
of
figuring
out
if
we
can
actually
get
there
and
what
it
means
for
compression
and
stuff,
and
I'm
very
hopeful
that
we
will
get
there.
I
think
it's
about
a
600
000
a
year,
annualized
impact.
G
We
are
talking
a
lot
about
urban
forestry,
the
whether
we
can
afford
to
do
a
plan
or
a
position
or
both-
and
I
know,
we've
kind
of
sought.
Some
input
from
staff
about
you
know
if
you
could
only
do
one,
which
would
you
do
first
and
it
seems
like
the
staff
would
come
before
the
planning.
G
So
I'm
hopeful
that
that
can
come
to
this
budget
cycle.
Another
big
thing
is
reparations,
so
we
have
established
this
commission
they've
had
a
few
meetings
now
and
they're.
You
know
there's
much
much
work
to
be
done
still,
but
we
use
some
of
the
initial
funding
that
we
set
aside
from
the
sale
of
urban
renewal
land
to
hire
the
body
that
is
kind
of
activating
facilitating
the
commission.
G
G
So
that's
a
big
topic
and
then
lastly,
a
fleet
of
neighborhood
kind
of
public
services
increases
whether
it's
trash,
cleanup
or
neighborhood
planning
or
better
gis
tools,
that
kind
of
stuff
to
just
kind
of
step
up
on
how
we're
caring
for
communities
and
our
overall
just
basic
core
services-
and
those
are
the
big
things
that
I
think
are
the
big
topics
this
year
of
what
we
can
do
more
of
and
what
you
know
is
on
the
table
for
just
kind
of
pulling
from
some
areas
to
fund
others.
G
But
I
think
those
are
the
big
five
top
items
and
additionally,
I
will
share
that.
I've
heard
some
rumblings
that
the
tourism
tax
legislation
that
is
about
to
be
heard
is
not
feeling
as
strong
anymore.
So
that's
some
worrisome
things
we're
hearing
about.
G
If
you
have
legislators
that
are
in
your
contact
list,
please
reach
out
and
continue
to
work
on
them
to.
You
know,
hear
that
bill
and
change
our
occupancy
tax
percentage.
But
I'm
hearing
that
it's
not
maybe
not
looking
so
good
anymore.
I
mean
that's
really
all
the
updates
for
right
now,
if
you
weren't,
I
wasn't
part
of
your
last
meeting,
so
I
didn't
have
an
update.
Then,
if
you
have
anything
in
particular
that
you'd
like
to
ask
me
about,
I'm
always
I'm
here
to
ask
away.
H
I
I
heard
that
former
council
member
julie
mayfield
had
proposed
an
increase
in
the
sales
tax.
Is
that.
G
Now
what
she
wanted
to
do
so-
and
I
love
this
idea,
so
we
are
having
to
reduce
our
transit
routes
right
now,
not
at
our
own
doing,
but
simply
because
we
have
a
contracted
service
with
a
group
that
hires
all
the
drivers
and
all
the
fleet
management.
All
of
that,
and
they
are
so
understaffed
that
they
cannot
supply
enough
drivers.
So
it
doesn't
matter
how
much
money
we
can
throw
at
right.
G
Now
we
can't
fill
the
positions,
so
we
are
seeing
a
reduction
in
transit
lines
right
now
and
it's
creating
a
stir
in
the
community,
because
on
the
other
side
of
that
we're
also
hearing
this
narrative
that
you
just
shared.
But
what
what's
happening
is
the
county
can
take
on
an
additional
sales
tax?
They
could
put
it
on
a
referendum,
they
could
say
we're
going
to
add
25
cents
or
a
quarter
of
a
cent.
I
should
say
to
sales
taxes
locally
and
that
money
will
go
to
a
transit
authority
and
transit
growth.
G
B
J
B
G
B
J
G
A
This
question
relates
to
the
mostly
the
greenway
and
and
even
city-owned
properties
that
I
know
have
been
underfunded
for
maintenance.
I
know
some
of
the
property
is
maintained
by
public
works.
Some
is
maintained
by
parks
and
rec.
Do
you
see
any
improvements
to
the
level
and
frequency
of
maintenance
along
these
new
developments
like
the
greenway
or
parks?
I.
G
I
don't
know
definitively
if
that
is
under
the
same
category
as
most
things,
which
is
under
staffing,
but
I
do
understand
public
works.
Last
time
I
got
an
update
was
down
60
of
staff
60.
It
was
the
largest
department
shortage,
so
we
were
talking
about
like.
Why
are
the
trash
cans
overflowing
because
we
didn't
have
people
to
go
empty
them
like
it?
So
I
want
to
guess
that
that
might
be,
why
I
don't
know
for
sure,
but
my
suspicion
is
staffing
and
that
it's
not
intended
to
be
ill
cared
for.
G
If
you
do
see
things
you
know,
I
am
encouraging
people
to
utilize
the
app,
because
if
you
can
imagine,
there's
a
lot
of
needs
across
the
city,
we
don't
have
navigators
out
there
looking
for
the
problems
and
when
there
are
fewer
staff
and
more
needs.
I
think
things
like
the
asheville
app
that
can
surface
something
give
it
an
actionable
item,
send
in
a
picture,
a
location,
etc.
I
think
that
improves
the
chances
of
things
getting
resolved.
G
So,
if
you're,
seeing
like
an
area
that
is
just
really
overgrown,
use
the
app
take
a
picture
right,
then
it
takes
30
seconds.
Send
it
in
you'll
get
correspondence
back,
you'll
get
updates
about
when
it's
been
deployed
or
fixed
and
so
on.
I
think
it's
really
helping
staff
right
now,
just
to
prioritize
things.
A
Thank
you.
I
know
you've
got
to
go
soon,
so
thank
you
very
much.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
agenda.
Are
there
any
comments
or
questions
in
general
before
we
end
this.
I
I
Past
vice
chairman
brown's
riverlink
building
and
he's
putting
the
windows
in
it's
in
our
purview
of
the
the
river
and
he's
doing
a
great
job.
So
he's
not
here
to
take
the
accolades.
But
I
wanted
to
thank
him.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
I
have
one.
L
I
just
wanted
to
let
everyone
know
that
we
at
the
chamber
and
the
economic
development
coalition
and
our
partners
at
organizations
like
the
mountain
area,
workforce
development
board
and
the
land
of
sky
p20
council
have
just
recently
concluded
the
measurement
period
of
the
state
of
our
workforce,
western
north
carolina
survey.
B
L
In
2018
and
it's
a
survey
that
has
been
conducted
and
operated
by
rti
international
for
us
again
this
year,
it
measures
workforce
needs
from
the
perspective
of
employers
of
all
different
sizes
and
across
10
different
industries
across
10
different
counties
in
western
north
carolina.
L
We
certainly
know
that
labor
shortages
are
not
unique,
necessarily
to
any
one
sector
in
our
economy
right
now,
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
figuring
out
how
this
information
can
help
us
identify
some
gaps
and
opportunities
on
that.
So,
hopefully
it'll
be
helpful
for
some
business
owners
on
the
riverfront
as
well.
A
Thank
you.
Maybe
if
you
are,
are
available
and
willing,
you
can
present
some
of
those
findings
at
at
a
future
meeting.
A
F
G
A
E
K
A
Touch
have
a
good
rest
of
your
week
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
Good
good.