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B
All
righty
the
meeting
will
now
come
to
order.
Welcome
to
the
march
28
2022
city
of
asheville
board
of
adjustments
meeting,
my
name
is
petite
vodka
and
I
am
chair
of
this
board.
The
board
of
adjustments
is
a
quasi-judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
the
north
carolina
general
statutes
and
the
city's
unified
development
ordinance.
B
We
are
authorized
to
hear
requests
for
variances
from
the
city's
unified
development.
Ordinance
also
referred
to
as
the
udo
appeals
from
the
final
determinations
made
by
city
officials
charged
with
enforcement
of
the
city's
udo
request
for
reasonable
accommodations
and
other
requests,
as
may
be
provided
in
the
city's
ordinances.
B
B
B
I
will
now
go
through
the
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
and
unmute
your
microphone
when
you're
speaking
and
not
speaking-
and
we
have
a
question
just
usually
on
this.
We
interrupt
so
please
remember
to
meet
your
phone
after
that.
When
done
speaking
community
members.
As
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
suzanne
godsey.
B
Okay,
also
with
this
today
is
our
city
attorney
janice
ashley.
I'd
also
ask
that
anyone
speaking
today,
including
staff
to
state
their
names
and
titles
for
the
record
before
speaking
and
be
sworn
in
if
you
haven't
done
so
at
the
beginning,
we
have
a
couple
things
on
our
agenda.
However,
the
minutes
have
been
postponed
to
the
next
board
meeting,
as
we
do
not
have
them
ready
yet
for
review.
B
So,
let's
go
over
the
general
introduction
to
quasi-judicial
decisions.
We
will
now
begin
the
evidence.
Your
hearings
for
the
cases
listed
on
the
agenda
in
hearing
cases
the
board
conducts
a
quasi-digital
evidentiary
hearing.
That
means
it
is
like
a
court
hearing.
State
law
sets
specific
procedures
and
rules
concerning
how
this
board
must
make
its
decision.
These
rules
are
different
from
other
types
of
land
use
decisions
like
rezoning
cases
which
are
legislative
in
nature.
B
This
board's
decisions
are
constrained
by
the
standards
in
the
city's
uni
city's
ordinance
and
the
facts
presented
at
the
hearing
the
board
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
applies
the
sanders
set
forth
to
the
state
law
and
the
city's
ordinance.
The
board
must
base
its
decision
upon
competent
materialism
and
substantial
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing.
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
standards,
not
personal
preference
or
opinions.
B
Participation
is
limited.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public.
Everyone
is
welcome.
To
watch
parties
have
rights
to
participate
fully,
parties
may
present
evidence
call
witnesses
and
make
legal
arguments.
Witnesses
may
testify
as
the
facts
to
which
they
are
confident
to
testify.
So
long
as
those
facts
relate
to
the
legal
standards.
B
In
addition,
lay
or
non-expert
witness
testimony
is
limited
to
facts,
not
opinions
for
certain
topics.
This
board
needs
to
hear
opinions,
testimony
from
expert
witnesses.
These
topics
include
projections
about
impact
on
property
values
and
projections
about
impacts
on
traffic
safety
for
various
requests.
A
four-fifths
vote
of
the
board
is
required
to
grant
the
variance
for
all
of
the
hearings
and
matters,
including
the
adoption
of
the
minutes.
The
decisions
will
be
made
by
a
simple
majority.
Vote
of
the
board.
B
A
E
F
F
B
Yes,
first
first
off,
we
do
have
a
alternate,
our
fifth
member
of
the
board,
who
has
not
joined
yet
who
who
may
join.
B
If
we
only
have
four,
you
can
choose
to
continue
with
four,
but
you
would
need
all
four
members
of
a
vote
to
for
the
variance
to
be
granted
in
in
the
event
that
tina
white
is
not
able
to
join,
there's
there's
there
would
be
only
four
people.
You
have
the
option
to
continue
it
to
next
month
or
proceed
today.
B
Okay,
also,
I
need
I
will
need
to
swear
you
in
okay.
Do
you
swallow
me
swear
to
or
affirm
that
the
evidence
you
shall
give
to
the
board
on
this
action
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth.
G
B
Okay,
thank
you
ricky,
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
okay.
Well,
first,
let
me
let
me
go
over
the
agenda
items
today.
There's
only
one
on
the
agenda.
A
Thank
you,
chair
and
just
as
way
to
let
you
know,
I
did
just
speak
to
our
fifth
member
and
she
is
just
resent
her
the
link
and
so
she's
going
to
try
to
rejoin
with
us
in
just
a
moment.
A
E
F
A
A
So
we
just
are
here
in
this
first
case,
so
we
were
talking
about
46
baird
street.
It's
a
setback
and
structure,
footprint,
variance
requests.
So
there's
technically
three
in
meeting
with
mr
mansell.
They
have
a
couple
things
that
are
going
on
in
the
field
one.
The
first
thing
is:
we
have
approximately
one
acre
lot
that
has
multiple
detached
accessory
structures
on
the
property.
A
The
one
that's
most
acute
is
the
most
recently
constructed
accessory
structure
behind
the
home.
It's
approximately
four
feet,
4.2
feet
from
the
western
property
line,
and
that
is
the
first
row
here
listed
mostly
to
that
building
a
four
foot
side
setback
request,
so
it
would
be
a
two
flip
reduction
in
that
particular
building.
A
And
then,
finally,
due
to
the
number
of
accessory
structures
and
you'll
see
further
down
in
this
presentation
and
evidence
presented,
is
that
this
lot
size
is
also
capped
at
600
square
foot,
footprint
for
all
accessory
structures
based
on
my
calculation
of
you
know,
what's
existing
and
what
he
has
indicated
in
the
packet
as
to
possibly
be
removed
would
result
in
a
final
total
of
2
434
square
feet
remaining.
A
D
A
H
F
A
A
It
is
not
steep
slope,
even
though
it
is
above
the
2220
elevation
contour
for
a
proportion
of
the
property.
It's
because
the
average
natural
slope
is
less
than
15.
So
as
you
look
to
the
right
of
the
screen,
we're
kind
of
going
up
the
side
of
town
mountain
and
the
left
I
kind
of
refer
to
as
the
valley
floor
below
2220
charlotte
street,
is
that
commercial
corridor
commercial
corridor
on
the
left
side
of
the
screen,
the
cb1
cb2
next
slide.
Please
here's
a
more
zoomed
in
aerial
photo
of
the
from
2019.
A
You
see
the
house
is
toward
the
southern
half
of
the
property
you
can't
make
out
on
here,
but
in
that
northern
half
of
the
property
in
that
wooded
area,
you
kind
of
see
that's,
there's
like
a
little
bit
of
extreme
in
that
area.
There's
small!
I
don't
know
if
it's
wet
weather
or
if
it's
intermittent,
but
I
do
know
there
was
water
in
it
when
I
was
out
doing
a
site
visit
with
the
applicant.
A
Although
we've
had
a
lot
of
recent
rain,
but
I
believe
he
can
confirm
it,
I
believe
it
is
a
stream
next
slide.
Please
applicant
did
provide
a
survey
of
the
property.
We
appreciate
that
that
helps
the
board
with
making
an
actual
determination
what
they're
not
guessing
at
and
so
our
subject
building
is
this
one
kind
of
the
top
center
that's
kind
of
large
tyler?
Is
there
any
way
to
zoom
in
on
that
building,
particularly
I'm
sorry?
It
may
not
be.
I
think
that
says
if
you.
F
A
Yeah,
so
the
east
end
of
the
building
is
a
four
point:
six
feet,
four
point:
five
feet
and
the
west
excuse
me
I'll,
say
north
end.
Excuse
myself,
I'm
preferred
right
left
the
right.
A
A
This
is
that
area
is
talking
about
looking
from
the
north
across
the
small
creek
and
in
the
top
center
is
our
subject:
building
of
the
1200
1450
square
foot
in
the
top
center
here
next,
okay,
this
is
a
kwanzaa
hut
that
he
mentions
in
his
packet.
That's
immediately
south
of
the
metal
1200
square
foot,
building
along
the
property
line.
A
E
A
Was
constructed
in
1905
next
slide,
another
the
rear,
carport
again,
not
near
any
setbacks.
A
There's
a
tent
garage
200
square
feet
that
has,
he
has
indicated
to
be
removed
next
slide
and
another
front
carport
that
he
has
indicated
also
to
be
removed
to
400
square
feet.
This
is
to
the
west
of
the
house.
You
see
here
on
the
right
hand
and
then
there's
a
garden
shed
of
80
square
feet.
He
also
indicates
to
be
removed.
A
So,
as
far
as
the
presentation
else
goes
just
note
that
the
1200
square
foot
building
that
was
recently
constructed
was
done
without
permits,
we
received
a
phone
call
from
someone
concerned
about
the
placement
being
near
the
property
line.
That's
how
we
came
to
discover
the
violation,
of
course.
As
soon
as
we
got,
the
applicant
received
the
notice
of
violation
at
the
end
of
last
year.
A
C
C
And
I
s
and
the
existing
carport
is,
is
to
the
page
north.
I
guess
and
then
that
small
structure
that
looks
like
it's
on
the
property
line,
also
along
that
shared
property
line,
is
that
the
old
historic
structure.
F
C
G
The
the
old
garage
and
the
rear
carport
are
not
shown
or
nor
is
the
house
it
was.
I
got
that
survey
for
the
purpose
of
this
building
and
seeing
exactly
where
it
was
so
it
was
the
west
side,
but
the
the
old
garage
is
pretty
much
in
the
middle
of
the
property.
It's
far
from
lines.
C
J
C
Okay
and
so,
which
one
is
that,
is
that
the
red
roofed
carport
in
their
red
roof
one
and
then
there's
the
other
one.
A
A
F
C
F
G
It's
it's
got
a,
it
was
a
concrete
slab
poured
within
the
building
and
it
will
require
a
footing,
and
so
that's
that's
what
I
have
to
do
with
the
building
permitting
process.
A
All
right
ben,
if
there's
no
other
questions
for
from
the
board
members,
then
ben,
do
you?
Would
you
like
to
go
over
anything
else
that
I
may
have
missed
in
your
overview
of
the
staff
report.
F
B
Okay,
so
the
petitioner
does
not
want
to
add
any
further
information
other
than
the
staff
report.
F
A
Harley
all
right
for
anyone's
in
the
speaker,
cue
to
enter
the
speaker,
cue,
you
would
have
to
press
star
3
to
enter
the
speaker.
Queue.
A
J
Can
you
hear
me
there,
yes,
is
that,
can
you
hear
yes,
okay,
yeah
I'm
this
is
richard
kerber.
We
live
on
the
boundary
of
this
property.
Okay,.
B
Before
you
continue,
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
evidence
you
shall
give
to
this
board
on
this
action
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
J
So
we
live
on
the
western
border
of
right
immediately,
where
the
the
question
of
the
building
and
the
setback
are,
and
I'm
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
speak
as
far
as
just
I
didn't
realize,
there
would
be
an
opportunity
to
speak
that
particular
structure
that
got
it
that
got
as
the
garage
we
heard
over
a
period
of
time.
J
We
were
on
vacation,
we
heard
over
a
period
of
time
from
neighbors
in
whatever
there
have
been
a
couple
weeks
of
trees
going
down,
people
were
kind
of
talking
about
it,
disturbance,
just
kind
of
went
on,
and
I
suppose
our
own
alarm
went
up
and
we
looked
out
one
day
and
over
the
fence
between
our
properties.
You
could
now
see
people
walking
that
were
as
high
as
the
fence.
J
J
So
we
were
trying
to
kind
of
adjusted
that
and
then
this
whole
lean
to
that
build
on
to
it.
It
became
huge
and
unsightly
and
and
quite
close,
and
it's
anyone
who
walks
in
our
yard
goes
what
in
the
hell,
what
happened
there.
You
know,
and
it's
it's
very.
I
think
I
sent
some
pictures
on
forward.
J
It's
also
the
structure
that
reflects
light
so
when
you're
out
there,
besides
towering
about
being
way
above
the
defense
line
and
being
within
the
setback,
it's
it's
of
a
structure
that
you
can
see
and
it's
very
obtrusive
and
it
reflects
light
like
it's.
You
know
you
you
parts
of
the
day
you
feel
like
you,
just
don't
put
sunglasses
on
and
looking
at
it.
So
we
we
were.
We
were
very
surprised
at
the
addition
of
that
and
it
does
feel
like
the
way
that
it
sits
there.
Now
it
feels
like
it's
it's
it
doesn't.
J
I
it
doesn't
feel
like
it
works
at
all
for
the
way
zoning
supposed
to
work,
and
it
also
reduces
our
the
value
of
our
property.
Looking
out
into
that,
it's
very
it's
not
subtle
in
the
least,
and
it
also
changes
our
view
completely.
J
So
we're
we're
you
know,
and
our
neighbors
are
people
that
also
join
look
and
go
wow.
I
I
couldn't
handle
that,
so
I'm
I'm
in
you
know
we
we've
I've
consulted
with
with
attorneys
just
recently
since
getting
a
letter
from
the
the
board
here
and
wanted
to
just
find
out
to
see
what
your
findings
were
before
we'd
make
any
decisions,
but
it's
it's
it's
notable.
I
I
if
mr
mansell
hasn't
come
down
and
looked
at
it
from
this
end
to
see
what
the
impact
of
that
has
been
on
our
property.
J
I
would
invite
him
to
do
that
and
there
are
photographs
or
or
fan
photographs,
but
it's
pretty
and
there
was
never
any
conversation
or
any
inclusion
or
any
kind
of
inquiry.
So
it
does
feel
like
we
feel
pretty
put
on
by
this,
especially
the
lean
to
the
whole
building.
J
There
might
be
some
way
to
be
able
to
it
seems
kind
of
silly
to
move
something
two
feet
to
do
it
all
over
again,
but
it
also
seems
silly
for
it
to
have
all
happened
without
any
kind
of
perma
permit
or-
or
you
know,
with
some
awareness
that
you're
violating
the
setbacks.
J
B
F
A
Well,
I
I
don't
know,
let
me
ask
the
attorney
some
here.
Janice
does
the?
A
E
Well,
mr
mansell
would
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
if
he
has
questions
of
the
the
caller
and
you
could
do
that
now.
You
could
wait
for
both
and
or
both
comments
and
and
then
let
mr
mansell
respond.
If
you
have
questions
you
could
do
either,
but
the
caller
should
stay
on
and
listen
to
the
rest
of
this
sure.
A
G
I
I
don't
know
what
to
to
say,
I
mean.
A
Caller
you're
welcome
to
I'm
gonna
leave
you
from
speaker
q
that
you're
welcome
to
get
additional
information.
You're
welcome
to
hit
against
r3
goes
back
to
the
speaking
queue.
A
All
right,
I
have
one
other
caller
listening
in
if
you
wish
to
speak
as
well,
you'll
need
to
hit
star
3
to
enter
the
queue.
Otherwise,
that
would
be
all
of
our
callers
chair.
B
I
want
to
open
it
up
to
the
board
for
discussion,
giving
your
thoughts,
questions.
C
I
do
have
some
questions
for
the
applicant
and
trying
to
read
through
your
application
to
understand
what
exactly
you're
stating
is
your
hardship.
So
if
you
could
just
for
the
board,
let
us
know
what
your
hardship
is
initially
on
your
application.
C
There
are
some
responses
that
don't
seem
to
be
incredibly
serious
in
nature,
stating
a
problem
being
a
first
world
problem,
isn't
exactly
gonna
resonate.
G
C
So
what
the
board
is
looking
for
is
heart,
and
I'm
sure
you
understand
this
as
a
real
estate
agent
is
a
hardship
related
to
the
land
or
your
property
and
we're
trying
to
understand
what
that
is,
and
I
see
that
in
your
application,
you
are
willing
to
give
up
some
of
the
structures
that
you
have
on
your
property,
be
you
are
at
an
advantage
of
a
lot
of
people
in
your
neighborhood
and
that
you
do
have
over
an
acre,
so
that
does
afford
you
to
have
even
more
square
footage
for
accessory
structures
per
article
14,
as
I'm
sure
you're
intimately
familiar.
G
B
So
the
question
being
is
where
this
board
is
tasked
with
four
questions
that
we
we
need
to
have
a
firm
grasp
on.
All
of
them
have
to
be
addressed
and
proven,
and
that
is
you
know
unnecessary
hardship
would
result
from
a
strict
application
of
the
ordinance,
the
hardship
results
from
conditions
that
are
peculiar
to
the
property,
such
as
location,
size
or
topography.
B
Those
all
four
have
to
be
met
for
this
board
to
be
granted
variants,
and
so
the
board
is
looking
for
the
applicant,
the
petitioner
to
prove
these
points,
as
it
relates
to
the
variance
request
and
I
believe,
suzanne-
that's
what
you're
you're
getting
at,
and
I
understand
that
as
well.
B
F
G
It's
you
know
it
the
hardships.
You
know
it
says
to
prove
a
hardship
that
the
property
couldn't
be
used
for
anything
else
or
not
have
any
value.
Well,
no,
I
mean,
obviously
the
property
has
value
and
could
be
used
for
the
the
irony
about
the
udo.
This
I've
discovered
is
that
my
yard
is
zoned
for
the
use
of
other
people,
like
I
just
thought
that
that
was
kind
of
a
mistake
in
the
udo
and
that
I
could
build
houses
with
garages
and
garage
apartments.
G
But
I
I
can't
have
more
than
1600
square
feet
of
accessory
structure,
but
that
the
property
is
huge
and
it
allows
it
could
be
developed,
but
I
don't
want
to
develop
it,
and
it's
just
sort
of
ironic
that
it's
zoned
for
development,
but
not
for
my
use.
G
I
can't
say
that
it
has
no
value,
you
know,
and
I
so
and
it's
not
just
I'm
not
proposing
you
know
I
I'm
completely
subjected
to
the
board's
wishes.
So
what
we're
here
is
to
decide.
You
know
what
I'm
going
to
remove
and
that's
that's
up
to
you
and
I
have
to
abide
by
that.
B
Okay,
what
I
particularly
you
know
I
I
could
see
unnecessary
hardship,
one
and
two,
but
the
number
three
is
just
sticking
out
to
me
and
that
is
the
hardship
did
not
result
from
actions
taken
by
the
applicant
property
owner.
You
know,
we
understand
the
unknowingly
guilty
part.
F
B
It
says
in
your
resume,
I
mean
you,
your
answer
is
that
you've
been
a
realtor
in
asheville
for
past
30
years.
B
To
as
a
realtor
would
know,
different
zoning
and
variances
regarding
as
such,
with
your
experience
of
30
years,
would
that
be
a
fair
assessment.
G
Yeah
I
deal
with
zoning
and
regularly
and
I'm
familiar
with
setbacks,
and
I
I
but
the
you
know
the
total
accessory
structure,
part
of
it
I've
never
run
into
before,
and
nor
did
I
know
that
a
a
tent
or
a
carport
counted
as
a
structure.
F
G
I
no
I
mean
I
have
a
there's,
a
100
year
old
garage,
a
used
carport,
a
kwanzaa
hut
that
is
like
fiberglass
that
I
bought
at
a
yard
sale.
You
know
a
tent
that
I
bought
at
northern
tool.
No,
I
didn't
get
permits
for
those
things.
G
B
Any
further
questions
comments
for
the
petitioner
go
ahead.
Mrs
glutzy.
A
Which,
well
I
mean
some
of
the
structures,
have
clearly
been
there
a
while
that
I
can
tell
I
I
will
say
this.
State
law
and
jess
can
correct
me,
but
basically
state
law
limits
the
time
in
which
a
local
jurisdictional
local
government
can
discover
and
cite
a
land
use,
violation
or
non-conformity.
So
basically,
it's
five
years
if
it
can
be
visible,
I
just
say
specifically
five
years:
it's
visible
from
a
right
of
way
by
any
local
government
official
in
seven
years.
A
In
any
other
case,
so
you
know
there,
there
is
kind
of
a
time
limit,
so
something's
back
in
the
woods.
We've
really
only
got
seven
years
to
discover
it's
like.
I
hope,
I'm
quoting
that
kind
of
paraphrasing
it
correctly
janice.
But
there
is
a
time
limit.
I
I
don't
know
when
all
those
carports
have
went
out
there.
C
A
So
I
haven't
dug
all
the
way
in
on
each
individual
and
it's
hard
to
see
on
some
of
the
county
aerials,
especially
google
aerials,
because
usually
there's
a
leaf
cover
and
sometimes
the
the
color
of
the
roof
doesn't
make
it
very
apparent
and
google
doesn't
drive
all
these
streets
all
the
time.
A
Yeah
they
don't
drive
all
the
back
streets,
some
places,
they'll
drive
eight
or
ten
times
like
hendersonville
road,
but
some
streets
in
town,
they've,
driven
once
yeah,
and
so
it's
the
I'd
say
so.
The
1400
square
foot
building
is
what
really
took
something
and
took
it
well
over.
Not
only
it
pushed
us
probably
what
was
already
above
the
limit,
but
made
it
much
worse
and
and
then
obviously
we
added
a
two
other
issues,
which
is
the
setback
violation
of
the
four
feet:
4.2
4.6
and
that's
a
lot
more
of
an
effective
property
line.
A
You
know
that
that
one
building
is
so
much
more
than
the
180
square,
foot
garden
shed.
That
was
probably
four
eight
feet:
four
or
six
feet
on
one
corner
and
then
the
kwanzaa
hut,
which
was
a
little
bit
closer
like
3.6,
but
it
was
also
of
a
limited
length.
So
anyway,
this
one
larger
building
got
us
on
taking
the
top
in
and
going
much
higher
and
then
also
creating
a
much
longer
setback
violation.
A
I
honestly
didn't
hear
I'm
sorry
to
say
this.
I
didn't
hear
all
of
the
neighbors
concerns.
I
I
picked
that
maybe
they
were
most
concerned
about
the
setback
issue.
I
don't
know
if
that
was
their
biggest
concern,
and
I
know
that
mr
mansell
has
got
to
work
still
regardless,
if,
if
the
board
was
to
find
in
favor
of
somehow,
he
still
needs
to
secure
building
permits
outside
of
that
that
the
building
has
to
be
removed.
I
just
say
that
short
of
that
it'd
have
to
be
removed.
A
I
haven't
I've
been
out
to
the
site
it
25
feet
is
the
height
limit
for
detached
accessory
structures.
It
wasn't
25
feet
tall
okay,
it
wasn't
that
it's
probably
closer
to
14
or
even
16..
C
C
Okay,
I
just
just
want
to
make
sure
as
we're
looking
at
everything.
So
let
me
make
sure
I'm
clear,
even
removing
all
of
the
structures
that
the
applicant
is
stating
he
would
remove.
We
would
still
ne
as
a
board
need
to
grant
the
variants
for
the
830
square
feet
that
he's
over
his
allowable
square
footage.
A
C
B
Okay
and
ricky,
if
the
board
were
to
grant
a
variance,
how
much
time
frame
would
the
petitioner
have
to
remove
said
structures
that
they
have
volunteered
to
remove.
A
Well,
we
would
probably
work
with
him
and
try
to
get
those
done
expeditiously.
I
probably
at
the
same
time.
I
think
some
of
the
structures
are
seen
more
simplistic
like
the
tent
and
maybe
the
garden
shed.
He
might
be
able
to
get
those
out
quicker.
A
A
E
A
F
B
C
A
E
You
should
probably
vote
on
each
requested
variance,
I'm
not
quite
clear
how
you
could,
if
how
you
could
approve
the
building
and
the
setback.
It's
the
building
that
we're
in
question
the
450
square
foot
building
is
two
feet
into
the
setback
right
correct.
So
I
don't,
if
you're
talking
about
keeping
that
building,
then
I
I
don't
see
how
you
could
meet
one
and
not
and
not
meet
the
other,
but
that.
D
C
A
D
E
Well,
as
the
chair
said
you,
they
need
to
prove
that
they've
met
all
of
them
right
and
it
is
an
after
the
fact.
You
know
construction
so
that
you're,
considering
the
variance
after
you
know
after
something's
already
built
so
but
to
the
degree
that
chair
chair
godzilla
was
stating
you
know,
you
can
set
conditions
so
and
then
that
hasn't
been
discussed
with
the
applicant,
but
I
think
you
were
saying
perhaps
if
it
could
be
moved
back,
you
would
just
say
the
the
board
wanted
to
prove
that
the
set
you
know
the
setback.
E
It
would
have
to
have
the
condition
that
the
building
gets
moved
or,
as
I
said,
there's
other
conditions.
Maybe
parts
of
that
building
could
be
removed.
I'm
I'm
not
sure.
H
E
D
F
G
A
Chair,
I
know
we've
probably
closed,
but
I
know
at
one
point
we
had
the
previous
speaker
was
wanting
to
speak
again.
They
may
have
dropped
off.
Let
me
since
they're
called
back
in
and
they
got
disconnected,
but
they
had
raised
their
hand
again.
I
don't
yeah
they're
back.
B
Hey
al
david.
G
Yeah
I
mean
I
have
I
mean
the
building
I
like
the
most
is
my
new
metal
shed
and
that's
the
most
important
to
me,
but
then
I'm
I
mean
I
have
to
apply
I'm
obligated
to
do
what
you
tell
me
to
so.
I
was
offering
the
things
that
were
really
easy
to
offer,
but
you
can
take
more.
I
have
no
choice.
B
Okay,
ricky,
you
want
to
I'll
open
up
public
comment
again:
okay,
I'm
gonna.
A
A
J
Yes,
sir,
okay,
one
thing
that
seems
like
I'm
not
hearing
very
discussed
is
the
distinction
between
the
metal
building,
which
is
also
a
violation,
setback
violation,
but
the
link
to
on
our
property.
This
that
I
mean
it
faces
it
just
powers
over
our
property
is
an
independent
structure
from
that
garage,
and
it's
probably
for
us
by
far
the
most
egregious
representation
of
the
violation
of
the
setback
and
the
whole
building
style
construction
of
what
it
is.
J
I
don't
know
if
you
did
get
a
chance
to
look
at
the
photograph,
the
the
photographs
that
I've
sent
in
to
you,
but
I
think
that
that's,
I
I'm
not
hearing
any
discussion
about
that
as
a
particular
piece
of
it,
nor
the
the
build
up
like
if
the
garage
were
to
be
able
to
move
to
conform
with
the
setback
that
that
lead
to
is
still
excess
square
footage
and
it's
in
violation.
But
it's
also
built
up
so
as
as
was
said.
J
If,
if
somehow
that
came
off,
then
there
would
still
be
cars
sitting
up
on
the
asphalt
up
there
above
the
above
the
fence
line,
which
was
all
added
to
be
able
to
create
the
garage.
F
E
And
you
might
want
to
verify
for
the
record
for
the
caller.
Your
photos
were
shown
that
the
the
board
did
view
those
ricky
put
them
up
on
on.
Yes,.
I
B
All
right,
I'm
going
to
close
public
comments
again
and
I'm
looking
for
a
motion
from
the
board
to
approve
or
deny
each
variance
in
its
individual
state,
starting
with
the
setback.
B
To
sit
foot
six
foot
set
by
set
six
foot
side
set
back
four
foot
side
is
the
request.
That
would
be
a
two
feet
or
thirty.
Three
percent
reduction.
B
For
the
purpose
of
clarity,
if
you
remember
paul,
you
know
motion
to
approve
the
six
foot
side
set
back
to
a
four
foot
sight
set
back.
That
would
be
the
motion.
D
C
Yeah,
what
what
I
was
saying
was
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
separate
out
the
variances.
F
C
B
E
B
The
purpose
of
clarity,
instead
of
having
a
double
negative
to
say,
deny
the
variance.
C
D
E
C
B
E
Yeah,
so
I
I'm
sorry,
I
could
you
one
more
time
say
what
chair
you
brought
the
motion.
It
was
a
motion
to
yeah.
B
For
the
purposes
of
clarity,
it's
a
motion
as
set
forth
to
approve
the
variance
of
the
applicant
that
doesn't
mean
that
everybody's
going
to
vote
for
it
or
against
it.
B
I
B
Carter,
webb,
no
gina
white.
F
B
Sorry,
okay,
david,
you
know
pretty
bobcats
and
no
motion
fails
that.
B
Voted
no
there's,
there's
two
more
motions,
and
that
is
the
1200
square
foot
max
individual
structure.
The
request
is
for
250
square
foot
or
20.8
percent
increase
of
the
variance.
Do
I
have
a
motion.
B
B
B
If
they
don't,
then
the
individual
would
have
to
resort
to
1200
foot
square.
I
mean
square
feet
max
and
meet
the
side
set
back
as
well
repeat
what
you.
F
B
Since
the
since
the
setback
has
been
denied,
the
applicant
can't
can
theoretically
move
as
suzanne,
I
believe,
pointed
out
right.
Suzanne
move
the
building
away
from
the
side
back
so
that
they
would
meet
the
six
foot
side
set
back
standard,
and
if
it's,
if
this
motion
is
granted,
they
would
be
able
to
retain
the
1450
square
feet.
Otherwise
they
would
have
to
move
it
back
and
also
reduce
the
square.
B
I
mean
the
the
square
footage
to
1200
to
meet
the
udo
requirements
and
also
have
to
do
away
with
the
other
accessory
structures.
C
You
know
I
mean
with
we,
don't
know
enough
information
about
the
construction
of
the
building,
so
we
don't
know
I
did
want
to
make
one
point,
though
you
get
down
to
the
third
variance
ricky
again
help
me
stringing
together,
numbers
after
lunch
is
never
a
good
idea
for
me,
so
if
he
removes
the
structures
that
he's
what
structures
are
leaving
and
what
structures
are
staying
in
that
third
variance,
not
to
confuse
things,
but
I
just.
D
B
A
A
Okay,
so
suzanne
we'll
start
back.
So
this
is
the
main
house.
Obviously
that's
the
principle
of
dwelling
and
then
we're
back
to
our
1450
square
foot
footprint,
the
single
structure
with
the
blue.
What
appears
to
be
the
blue
garage
structure,
the
metal
structure
is
the
1200
square
foot
portion
and
then,
on
the
right
hand,
side
screen
is
250
square
foot
lean
to.
A
That
is
what
puts
it
over
the
maximum
individual
footprints.
This
one
is
the
new
one,
the
kwanzaa
hut,
I
believe,
he's
identified
as
retaining
it
and
it
was
marked,
as
he
said,
fiberglass
this
1905
original
garage
was.
Let
me
just
say
how
big
it
is
suzanne.
A
It
is
approximately
264
square
feet
and
two
remain
the
rear
carport
of
378
square
feet.
That
is
to
remain,
and
then
we
excuse
me
the
tent
garage
identified
to
be
removed
as
200
the
front
carport
of
400
square
feet
to
be
removed
or
offered
to
be
removed.
I
should
say,
and
then
the
80
square
foot
garden
shed
that
we've
seen
that
was
right
on
the
property
line
as
being
offered
to
be
removed.
A
A
A
G
I
I
guess
you
know
that
could
be
the
next
one.
On
the
chopping
block,
I
don't
know
I
mean
or
the
old
garage
you
know.
I
I
hate
to
tear
that
down.
C
Exceeding
the
allowable
square
footage.
F
B
Which
would
still
need
to
be
brought
into
compliance
because
of
the
two-fit
setback
requested.
F
D
B
Okay,
we'll
we'll
go
to
reverse
this
time.
Tina
white.
F
I
B
B
And
for
the
last
remaining
of
everything
combined,
it's
a
1600
square
foot
max
for
all
accessory
structures.
The
request
is
for
2434
square
feet
and
that
would
be
132
square
feet
or
52
of
the
increase.
B
Okay,
we'll
take
it
to
the
vote
carter.
No
tina,
yes,
david,
no
suzanne,
no-
and
I
know
from
me
motion-
fails
one
to
four.