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A
A
Good
morning
everybody
I'm
chair,
barry,
bialik
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
september
1
2022,
affordable,
housing
advisory
committee.
This
meeting
is
being
live,
streamed
and
reporting
of
it
will
be
posted
after
the
meeting
on
the
a
hack
webpage,
which
is
www.nashvillenc.gov.
A
A-H-A-C
we
were,
you
know,
just
to
clarify
a
little
bit
of
confusion.
We
were
planning
to
meet,
live
for
our
first
meeting
in
two
and
a
half
years,
but
we
had
to
sideline
that
kind
of
last
minute
due
to
the
fact
that
covert
is
not
over
yet,
but
we
do
plan
to
to
start
live
back
in
october.
So
we'll
now
do
a
roll
call
vote
of
those
who
are
here.
A
Do
a
roll
call
vote
and
then
we
do
have
a
couple
of
new
members
when
I
get
to
you,
if
you
could,
just
when
I
get
to
the
new
members,
if
you
can
introduce
yourself,
you
know.
Actually
we
do.
Actually
you
know
what
this
time
we
do
have
a
little
bit
more
time.
I'm
gonna
go
through
since
we
do
have
at
least
two
new
members
and
a
few
new
staff.
I'd
like
when
I
call
your
name
to
actually
say
a
quick
introduction
about
yourself
and
your
background.
A
That
way,
we
know
who
everybody
is:
I'm
terrible,
I'm
a
local
builder
and
developer
in
town,
my
company's
compact
cottages.
I
also
own
the
thirsty
monk,
so
employ
a
lot
of
people
who
do
need
workforce
level,
housing,
margie.
D
E
G
F
A
H
Yeah,
oh
andy,
yeah,
sorry
about
that.
I
think
this
microphone,
I'm
on
a
different
computer
than
normal
and
the
microphone
settings
were
off
so
good
morning.
I'm
andy
barnett,
I'm
the
executive
director
for
asheville
area,
habitat
for
humanity,
habitat
humanity,
is
a
mortgage
lender
for
first-time
homebuyers
and
a
developer
of
affordable
housing
and
runs
a
home
repair
program
for
home,
low-income
homeowners
as
well
glad
to
be
here,
I'm
here
and
present
for
the
meeting.
I
A
J
Hi
I'm
paul
heathman.
I
am
here
I'm
a
member
of
the
asheville
home
builders
association,
I'm
on
the
affordable
housing
committee
at
the
land
of
the
sky
board
realtors,
previously
a
real
estate
agent
and
currently
assistant
vice
president
and
mortgage
loan
officer
for
home
trust
bank.
K
A
F
L
L
Carl
sector
work
I
spent
about
three
years
at
the
city
of
asheville,
working
in
economic
and
community
development,
when
jeff
stoddinger
was
there
as
as
as
the
lead
there,
and
so
I'm
familiar
with
this.
A
K
I
have
20
plus
years
in
corporate
banking,
previously
a
former
banker
with
a
focus
in
process,
improvement
and
in
process
engineering,
improving
the
efficiency
of
processes-
and
I
am
here
happy
to
be
here.
Thank
you.
G
Greetings,
my
name
is
elena
smith.
Currently
I
am
the
associate
coordinator
for
helpmate.
I
run
the
transitional
housing
program
that
we
have
here.
We
have
about
six
or
seven
federal
and
state
grants
that
we
are
using
to
house
survivors
here
in
asheville
in
an
area,
so
I'm
just
happy
to
be
in
on
a
team
and
learn
more
from
you
guys.
I'm
present.
A
Great
okay,
so
we
do
have
a
quorum
here
today
then
also
we
have
a
couple
of
new
staff
members.
I
know
there's
some
shuffling
going
around
at
community
development
sasha's
not
in
on
this
meeting
and
nikki
the
department
head
is
out.
I
think
she's
listening
in
but
she's
she's
got
some
other
stuff
going
on
today
and
but
I
think
we
have
so
there's,
I
don't
call
his
name.
I
know
if
you
can
introduce
yourself.
I
know
we
have
a
new
cabinet
kevin
lynn.
A
Can
you
can
you
just
say
say
hi
and
kind
of
explain
your
background.
What
your
position
is
with
the
department
now.
C
Certainly
good
morning,
everyone,
my
name
is
kevin:
martin,
I'm
the
new,
affordable,
housing
specialist.
I
work
or
directly
report
to
sasha
for
parallel
city.
Of
course,
my
background
in
affordable
housing
includes
working
for
community-based
nonprofits,
a
publicly
traded
apartment,
real
estate
investment
trust
which
had
a
affordable
housing
affiliate
as
well
as.
C
Doing
some
work
on
my
own
as
a
developer
and
development
consultant,
I've
worked
with
the
low-income
housing
tax
credit
on
numerous
projects
throughout
the
country,
tax
exempt
bonds,
home
funds
and
housing
trust
funds
in
other
cities,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
all
as
we.
A
Again,
once
we
can,
you
know
all
meet
live
again
and
which
we
should
next
month
and
then
kind
of
get
back
on
task
after
two
years.
All
right,
first
step,
let's
see
wait.
Is
there
anything
anyone
else
out
there?
That's
new
or
new
positions
that
I
should
welcome
or
bring
note
to,
I
think,
maybe
fame.
I
think
because
tina
you're
are
you
gonna?
Could
you
just
explain
like
because
I
heard
you
moved
over
to
community
development?
Can
you
just
just
say
hi
and
explain
what
your
role
is
going
to
be.
B
Yeah,
so
I'm
the
interim
community
development
coordinator,
so
I'm
assisting
with
a
lot
of
the
draw
requests,
getting
contracts
and
agreements
routed
and
sent,
and
I'm
assisting
with
running
some
of
these
meetings
like
a
hack
and
high
act,
and
things
like
that.
So
I'm
here,
if
you
need
me.
A
Okay,
great
thanks,
yeah
and
then
my
understanding.
I've
heard
a
little
bit.
I
don't
know
how
much
is
formalized,
there's
a
bunch
of
interim
positions,
but
I
think,
like
chris
christina's
there's
some
outlets.
Some
people
have
moved
around
into
analyst
positions
a
lot
of
interim
roles
floating
around,
but
so
maybe
next
next
meeting
we
can
all
we'll
see
what
goes
from
interim
to
permanent
and
then
we
can
kind
of
have
a
little
org
chart.
So
we
know
who
who's?
Who.
N
Yeah
barry
weed
is
mean
christina,
took
on.
A
N
Sorry,
my
car
broke
down
the
way
together,
but
we
took
on
the
interim
community
development
analyst
positions
that
nancy
and
mary
brooke
left
yeah
me
and
christina
have
taken
on
those
roles.
A
A
A
For
that
and
lobbied
for
that
and
made
that
first
initiative
for
that,
so
I'm
really
glad
to
see
that.
So
thank
you
and
welcome
next
up
draft.
You
know
work
so
we're
gonna
approve
the
minutes
from
last
meeting.
Has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
them?
It's
kind
of
the
action
action
minutes,
that's
in
our
documents.
I
A
Okay,
oh
welcome
david.
I
see
you're
here
now
thanks
any
discussions.
A
C
A
E
I
F
L
K
A
Now,
hi
and
myself
hi.
Thank
you.
So
much
next
up
on
our
agenda
is
the
monthly
housing
data.
It's
more
just
an
item
for
review.
You
know,
there's
the
the
data
of
kind
of
the
buncombe
county
prices.
A
I
did
not
look
to
see
if
we,
if,
in
the
in
the
past
brandy
woodard
from
housing
authority,
was
providing
some
kind
of
voucher
data.
I
don't
I
did
I
didn't
see
if
we
got
that,
if
not
we,
you
know,
maybe
maybe
tara,
we
can
discuss
kind
of
offline.
What
we
were
looking
for
and
what
data
you
may
have
to
provide.
That's
helpful.
We
were
kind
of
looking
for
kind
of
voucher
usage,
voucher,
open,
like
what's
open
and
available
and
not
being
like
what
what
wants
to
be
used.
A
It
can't
be
used,
so
we
have
that
data.
One
thing
that
we
always
found
would
be
helpful
on
that
data,
too,
is
to
know
what
the
unit
mix
is
like
the
those
who
have
vouchers.
What
are
the
unit
mixes
that
people
are
looking
for?
Is
there
anyone
else
like?
Just
as
we
talk
about
this
from
committee
members
who
have
seen
that
data
over
the
months
is
there
any
update
or
kind
of
data,
we
might
like
to
see
about
housing,
choice,
vouchers
or
about
housing
authority
developments.
E
This
is
scott.
Is
there
I'm
just
curious
and
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
insight
into
those,
but
is
there
a
way
to
when
someone's
using
a
voucher,
see
if
they're
getting
it
for
a
single
family,
detached
housing
versus
a
duplex
or
apartments,
just
sort
of
the
housing
typology
they're
getting.
L
I'm
pretty
sure
that
information
is
a
part
of
the
reporting
we're
having
some
transition
here
as
well,
and
so
we
just
named
co-directors
to
the
position
that
brandy
vacated
and
I
put
them
in
touch
with
sasha.
I'm
not
sure
that
a
report
got
there,
but
for
future
meetings
I'll
be
sure
to
make
sure
we
have
that
information.
L
A
Okay,
yeah
thanks.
I
remember
those
it's
a
kind
of
newer
report
that
started
within
the
past
year
for
us,
but
I've
found
some
good
data
on
that,
especially
saying
you
know,
because
there's
always
question
about
these
pro.
You
know
in
some
of
the
policies
we
discussed
about
unit
mixes
because
a
lot
of
the
developments
come
and
they
kind
of
propose
a
single
class
unit
or
a
lot
of
small
units.
We
know
there's
a
lot
of
need
for
family
units,
so
it
would
help
to
have
some
of
that
that
data
quantifying
where
the
need
is.
A
It
would
really,
I
think,
help
us
kind
of
target
and
policy
what
new
developments
should
be
offering
so
we,
but
we
can
further,
have
that
discussion,
but
I
appreciate
you
know.
I
always.
A
I
remember
when
brandon
started,
I
was
I
was
data
geeking
for
a
bit,
so
it
was
nice.
The
other
reports
that
are
on
there,
that
you
know
that
I've
been
preparing
are
the
the
for
sale.
The
basically
listings
on
the
mls
in
the
city
of
asheville
that
are
for
sale
under
contract
and
closed,
and
you
know
it's
interesting
to
know.
A
So
it's
increased.
So
there's
a
little.
You
can
tell
there's
a
few
more
listings
now
you
know
so
where,
as
we
watch
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
fluctuation
in
the
market,
but
not
not
much,
there's
not
that
much,
there's
still
not
there's
not.
There's
not
like
a
lot
of
inventory
increasing-
and
I
think
part
also
is
that
the
you
know,
obviously,
with
the
mortgage
rates
the
buying
power
of
people
right
now
is
so
different
than
it
was.
You
know
earlier
this
year,
so
it's
rather
dramatic.
A
You
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
key.
The
data
pieces
that
I
watch
for
for
at
least
watching
the
the
real
estate
market
is
every
you
know.
Every
day
I
review
the
amount
of
new
the
amount
of
listings
that
come
up
that
go
under
contract
and
then
the
new
amount
of
listings
and
I'm
looking
for
a
gap,
because
in
the
past
there
was
a
little
bit
more
of
a
gap
like
there
would
be,
let's
say,
30
listings
that
would
go
under
contract
and
you
know
60
listed
and
now
it's
it's
pretty
equal.
A
You
know
it's
still
pretty
equal
for
a
while
it
was.
There
was
less
going,
there's
less
new
listings
that
were
coming
under
contract
right
now.
It's
about
it's
pretty
close
to
equal
still,
but
it's
it's
just
interesting
to
know,
because
that's
how
you
that's
one
of
the
first
measures
of
a
fluctuating
market
is
when
you
see
a
lot
more
coming
on
than
you
see
going.
You
know
going
under
contract
or
sell,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
people
not
listing,
so
the
amount
of
listings
is
still
at
an
all-time
low.
A
So
because
of
it's
people
know
if
they
sell
their
house
and
they
can't
really
buy
another
one.
That's
do
you
have
any
like
from
in
your
experience
and
for
the
reports.
You
have
any
just
thing
you
want
to
share
of
observations
of
new,
affordable
housing
or
market
shifting.
K
No,
I
I
don't
really
have
anything
to
add.
I
think
one
of
the
interesting
things
that
we
see
is
days
on
on
market
or
days
to
close
and
we've
had
some
conversation
about
that
paul.
I
I
don't
know
if
you
recall
from
that
one
forum
that
we
were
at,
but
just
from
a
market
perspective,
seeing
that
shift
a
small
increase
in
in
the
the
days
to
close
and
also
just
average
sales
prices.
K
Of
course,
something
that
we
have
seen
over
the
past
couple
of
years
going
being
higher
than
the
historical
patterns
in
in
our
our
market,
but
that
doesn't
bode
very
well
for
the
affordable
housing
segment.
D
I
was
actually
very
stunned
at
the
buncombe
county
average
sales
price
being
five
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
about
a
lot
of
my
chair.
D
That's
average
sales
price,
the
median
for
buncombe
county
is
445
745.
E
Yeah,
do
you
barry?
Do
you
have
just
a
sort
of
a
running
back
of
the
envelope
average
for
price
for
per
square
foot
for
new
construction
versus
sort
of
what's
out
in
the
market?
I
just
I
saw
one
recent
listing
and
admittedly
it
was
a
you
know,
complete
rebuild
of
a
small
house,
but
I
did
the
math
on
it.
It
was
625
dollars
a
square
foot
and
I
know
at
least
well,
10,
10
or
so
years
ago.
A
God
that's
a
hard
question,
though
I
mean
I'm
more
familiar.
Obviously
with
my
models
because
there's
you
know
small
footprints
and
smaller
footprints
might
you
know,
could
lean
a
little
bit
higher
and
per
square
footage,
but
I
would
you
know,
I
would
say
probably
three.
You
know
at
least
300
a
square
foot.
You
know
I've
seen
a
lot,
but
a
lot
of
stuff,
definitely
getting
close
to
the
500.
A
A
square
foot
but
I'd
say
kind
of
you
know
on
what
is
realistic
for
people
probably
more
in
that
300
a
square
foot.
That's
a
plus
a
thousand
square
foot
house,
that's
meeting
with
the
land
and
everything
it's
a
thousand
square
foot
house
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
we
don't
really
see.
Many
thousand.
If
a
thousand
square
foot
house
or
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
comes
on
the
market,
it's
it.
It
almost
comes
on
the
market
and
it
gets
gobbled
up
pretty
fast
right.
A
Yeah
but
I've
been
kind
of
watching
like
that,
you
know
when
we
decided
to
up
the
number
from
275
to
375.
You
know
we
we
looked
at
that
base,
I
mean
it
was
just
because
that's
what
market
is,
I
don't
think
375,
that's
on
the
upper
edge
of
what
could
ever
be
considered
of.
A
You
know
whatever
could
be
considered
affordable
by
anything
we
look
at,
but
we
may
need
to
really
re,
but
you
know
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
revisit
that
number
or
have
a
discussion
about
what
the
number
is
based
on
the
mortgage
rates.
Now,
because
it's
it's
a
different
number
now
I
don't
know
if
you
know
paul,
we
may
you
know
maybe
something
with
the
mortgage
calculator
we
discussed
but
like
what
is
the
kind
of
what
is
the
upper
level
that
someone
actually
can
afford,
based
on
hud
numbers
with
the
mortgage.
J
Yeah
so
first
yeah
to
bab's
point:
we
we
went
to
a
talk,
listen
to
an
analyst
speak
and
basically,
my
summary
of
it
was
that
we
are
ever
so
slightly
seeing
a
slow
down,
but
I
mean
so
slight,
like
still
less
than
30
days
of
housing
stock
and
a
balanced
market
is
like,
according
to
the
nar,
but
sorry
national
association
of
realtors,
like
six
months
so
we're
one
month
and
that's
six
months,
so
we're
far
from
balanced
and
then
sadly,
for
this
conversation,
mortgage
rates
for
everybody,
fantastic,
separate
banks-
I
don't
know
the
the
mortgage
rates
have
jumped
up
again.
J
So
we've
seen
a
pretty
substantial
increase
in
mortgage
rates
over
the
last
10
days
15
days
and
the
federal
reserve
does
seem
to
be
signaling
that
this
might
not
be
the
end
of
it.
So
it
used
to
be
when
we
were
forecasting
or
when
we
were
kind
of
calculating
these
numbers
what's
affordable.
What
can
someone
afford
based
on
income?
You
know
backing
into
those
ratios.
J
We
could.
We
could
have
choose
a
number
and
it
would
be
good
for
a
while
and
now
we're
just
in
the
kind
of
environment
where
we
can't
count
on
things
to
be
the
same
from
week
to
week
or
even
morning
to
afternoon,
as
as
was
the
case
from
friday
to
monday
last
week.
So
it's
tricky.
J
So
I'm
seeing
the
30-year
fixed
at
very
close
to
six
percent.
No,
that
was
that
was
low,
fives
very
very
recently,
so
I
mean
it's,
you
know
if
you're
not
seeing
these
numbers
and
calculating
them
out
into
payments.
It
feels
like.
Oh,
it's
an
eighth
of
a
point,
another
eighth
of
a
point
or
quarter,
but
it's
hugely
impactful
on
on.
You
know
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
worth
of
borrowing
money
like
hundreds
of
dollars
a
month.
J
You
know
maybe
maybe
500
a
month,
for
example,
what
we've
seen
over
the
last
like
six
six
months
in
in
rates
increase
and
that's
in
in
the
affordable
category
alone,
for
just
a
few
hundred
thousand
so
yeah,
it's
it's
tough
and
really
the
federal
reserve.
Basically,
I'm
gonna
summarize
kind
of
what
they
were
saying,
but
but
they
did
a
retreat
recently
and
one
of
the
kind
of
most
notable
points
they
are.
Our
comments
that
was
made
was
that
they
are
not
at
all
afraid
to
continue
to
increase
interest
rates.
A
Can
I
ask
him,
but
obviously
this
you
know
we're
talking
specifically
about
mortgage
interest
rates
which
are
which
you
know
for
a
potential
affordable
home
ownership,
which
has
always
been
one
of
the
most
elusive
things
that
we've
tried
to
do?
How
does
that?
How
would
you
you
know
my
questions?
I
want
to
ask
about
this,
like
I'm
curious
margie
like
how
does
this
affect,
because
obviously,
mortgage
rates
going
up
effect,
everyone's
borrowing,
not
just
for
purchasing
but
effect
for,
like
new
construction
apartment
construction?
A
So,
if
I
can
just
ask
real,
you
know
real
quick,
I'm
just
curious
of
like
how
what
what
we
can
look
at
as
we
have
to
look
at
some
of
our
policies.
How
does
this
affect
apartment,
construction,
margie
and
then
andy?
How
does
this
affect
like
a
habitat
humanity
loan,
when
the
interest
rate
goes
up
like
this?
How
does
this
affect
what
you
do.
D
So
this
is,
it
affects
it,
a
lot
because
the
developers
or
the
owners
that
are
you
know
behind
the
loans
are
having
a
hard
time
getting
money
for
all
the
increased
costs
for
materials,
and
everything
like
that
so
for,
unless
you
have
a
tax
credit
project,
nine
percent
of
four
percent-
that's
a
hug
that
you've
got.
You
know
backing
for
we're,
seeing
any
number
of
people
back
off
and
say
I've
just
got
just
I've
got
to
stop.
D
I
can't
I
can't
build
this
or
I'm
taking
off
an
entire
floor
or
I'm
not
reducing
the
number
of
units
because
they
can't
build
what
they
wanted
to
build,
with
the
increased
loss
between
the
mortgage
rates
and
the
cost
of
materials
which
are
not
coming
down.
H
Well,
it's
it's
a
little
bit
tricky
on
the
because
of
the
way
habitat
creates
part
of
the
subsidy
that
goes
into
affordable
home
ownership.
So
again,
habitats
holds
the
first
mortgage
on
the
homes
that
we
build
and
sell,
and
those
are
typically
zero
percent
interest
mortgages.
So,
as
the
market
rate
for
mortgage
interest
goes
up,
our
mortgage
interest
stays
the
same,
which
is
great.
I
mean
that's
part
of
the
way
that
we
keep
things
affordable
and
deeply
affordable
for
very
low
income
borrowers.
H
But
to
margie's
point
our
you
know,
our
cost
of
money
goes
up
as
interest
rates
go
up
so
that
the
amount
of
subsidy
that
we're
bringing
into
each
into
each
loan
goes
up,
and
you
know,
as
as
long
as
we're
able
to
access
capital
through
private
donations
through
public
sector
loans
at
below
market
interest
rates.
H
You
know
we
are
able
to
continue
to
offer
that
depth
of
subsidy,
but
it
does
you
know
it
does
increase
the
amount
of
subsidy
that
goes
into
each
project
as
as
those
rates
go
up
relative
to
you
know
what
our
cost
of
money
is.
A
Okay,
cool
yeah.
I
just
think
it's
it's
interesting
a
lot.
You
know
it's
like
we
could
we
talk
about
like
these
numbers,
these
rates,
how
much
they
affect
the
home
ownership,
which
has
always
been
like,
I
said
so
elusive,
but
I'm
just
really
yeah.
That's
what
I've
been
real
curious
and
starting
to
look
at
like
how
this
is
going
to
affect
the
need,
the
volumes
of
new
construction,
the
volumes
of
new
construction
departments
and
multi-family
that
are
sorely
needed
to
keep
our.
A
In
balance,
because
I
don't
you
know,
we
don't
we're
ashley's
unique
our,
I
don't
think
our
home,
I
mean,
I
don't
see
our
home
values
dropping
as
much
as
predicted,
and
you
know
like
as
much
as
might
happen
on
the
west
coast.
Just
because
we
have
such
incredible
demand.
I
mean
every
every
single
it's
like
every
single
week.
I
get
at
least
three
texts
from
people.
I
got
one
this
morning
from
someone
here
on
this
call
about
that.
A
It's
just
if
they're
selling
or
they've
got,
I
don't
even
know
the
reasons,
but
it
feels
like
it's
every
week.
I
we're
we're
hearing
this
over
and
over
again,
so
there's
a
lack
of
still
a
dramatic
lack
of
inventory
in
town
for
the
amount
of
people
who
want
to
be
here,
and
you
know,
I
think
we
just
as
we
look
at
some
of
our
have
some
of
our
policy
discussions
about
adjusting.
I
D
Yeah
so
another
thing
that
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
think
about,
but
for
builders
or
construction
companies
we
have
something:
that's
called
bonding
capacity
and
the
banks,
the
people
that
give
you
you
have
to
have
so
much
funding
capacity
to
be
able
to
do
bigger
and
bigger
projects
and
we're
hearing
from
a
lot
of
folks,
our
colleagues
and
our
people
that
we,
you
know,
bid
against
that.
It's
getting
harder
and
harder
to
get
that
bonding
capacity,
because
banks
don't
want
to
to
cover
you.
C
J
Yeah
so
listen
to
rob,
dietz
the
analysts
from
the
national
association
of
homebuilders
pretty
recently
and
and
they
were
talking
about
nationwide
housing
stock
and
just
the
fact
that
we
were
expected
to
have
a
housing
shortage.
I
think
I
think
you
said
eight
years
was
would
be
the
absolute
minimum
like
that.
Would
we
our
best
chance
of
catching
up
would
be,
would
be
eight
years
from
now
so
and
I
think
a
lot
had
to
happen
for
us.
A
lot
had
to
happen
right
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
that.
J
C
H
To
your
point
about
the
you
know,
kind
of
policy
impacts
of
these
things,
and
this
is
my
soapbox.
So
sorry,
if
I've
I'm
saying
something
that
you're
tired
of
me
saying,
but
I
think
writing
our
policies
in
such
a
way
that
they
can
be
dynamic
to
the
changes
in
rates
changes
in
cost
structure,
changes
and
appraised
value.
I
mean
I
I
feel
like,
as
we
have
looked
at
policies
in
this
committee,
foreign,
an
example.
When
we
first
started
looking
at
the
the
fee
rate
rebate
program,
there
was
a
fixed
dollar
amount.
H
You
know
an
affordable
house
was
you
know,
140,
and
you
know
there's
no
way.
You
know
you.
We
just
blow
right
past
those
kind
of
fixed
numbers
that
get
built
into
policies
or
we're
going
to
create
a
you
know:
20
000
per
unit
subsidy
cap.
Well,
you
know
if
we
don't
want
to
have
to
keep
changing
those
things
you
know
year
by
year
by
year
or
run
the
risk
of
having
our
policies
become
obsolete
in
in
dynamic
market
conditions.
H
We
have
to
make
those
things
tied
to
inflation-adjusted
numbers
or
things
that
have
some
mechanism
built
in
to
you
know,
to
move
as
the
market
moves,
so
just
just
kind
of
one
overarching
thing
to
consider
as
we're
as
we're
addressing
policies
anytime,
we
can
take
fixed
numbers
out
and,
and
and
put
you
know,
dynamic,
variable
driven
formulas
into
policy.
That's
a
that's
a
better
way
to
do.
It
keeps
our
policies
current
sure.
A
H
Yeah
but
at
least
they're
annually
updated.
You
know,
which
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
again
thinking
about,
tying
anything
that
we
need
to
have
as
a
fixed
definition
to
for
home
sales
to
the
hud,
the
home
programs,
qualified
sales
price,
which
at
least
is
annually
updated.
Now
it's
even
their
calculations,
are
falling
behind
the
market,
so
fair
market
rent.
We
had
to
do
a
local
analysis
on
now.
H
There's
a
lot
of
talk
about
small
area,
fair
market
rents,
the
home,
the
hud
home
program,
qualified
sales
price
this
year
when
it
came
out
it
was
you
know.
314,
I
think,
is
the
max
qualified
sales
price.
It's
already
behind
the
kind
of
appraisals
that
we're
seeing
on
the
homes
that
we
build.
So
we
should
come
in
well
under
the
home,
qualified
sales
price,
so
even
those
numbers
are
falling
behind,
but
they're
still
better
than
having.
H
You
know
one
locked
in
thing
that
yeah
ten
years
from
now
is
way
out
of
date,
or
we
add
to
the
you
know,
work
of
staff
and
this
committee
to
check
every
number
in
every
policy
on
a
you
know
annual
basis
to
make
sure
it
stays
current.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
let
me
just
just
clarify
before,
because
I
I
think
you're
you're
right
on
with
that
and
just
seeing,
if
nothing
about
that,
I
think
we're
living.
I
guess
we'll
kind
of
find
out
from
from
staff,
but
I
think
we
are
limited
at
least
following
those
hud
numbers
like
I
don't
think
we
do
anything
to
exceed
what
those
are,
but,
but
that
would
be
a
yeah.
That's
a
good
benchmark
to
kind
of
stick.
You
know
to
use
a
percentage
of
those
percentage
of
those
as
a
guideline
rather
than
have
a
fixed
number.
A
A
Don't
see
any
something
to
move
on
speaking
so
moving
on
to
the
next
section,
which
I
guess
kind
of
ties
into
the
lack
of
lack
of
a
little
of
per
house
per
square
foot
construction
and
what
things
cost,
the
let's
see,
bond
allocation
plan
which
was
on
the
agenda,
is
being
moved
to
october.
A
A
We,
you
know,
we,
as
a
committee,
have
had
a
few
discussions
about
mobile
homes,
one
of
them,
you
know
one
of
them,
especially
the
lowest
hanging
fruit,
parts
of
this
and
one
of
them
I
know
we've
had
is
about
for
home
repair
funds
for
mobile
homes,
and
you
know
david
and
andy,
there's
something
we
were
kind
of
trying
to
clarify,
and
I
think
we
will
kind
of.
We
really
would
want
to
continue
that
discussion
to
get
an
actual
opinion
as
to
why
that
can't
be
done.
A
But
that's
you
know
a
later
date,
so
up
up
right
now,
when
we
let
ricky
take
over
ricky,
hurley
and
kind
of
explain
what
this
technical
change
is
and
how
this
may
you
know
this
may
affect
allowing
some
continued
use
of
affordable
housing
existing
stock,
so
ricky.
O
All
right,
thank
you,
barry!
Not
everybody
may
know
me,
I'm
ricky
hurley,
I'm
in
the
development
services
department,
I'm
a
zoning
supervisor
down
here,
and
so
the
topic
that
we
have
is
probably
pretty
dry
section
of
the
udo
which
is
non-conformities
and
so,
if
you've
never
dug
into
zoning
ordinances,
that's
usually
probably
the
most
like.
I
have
no
idea
what
this
is
all
saying,
but
it
can
be
very
impactful
to
those
persons
with
said
situations,
and
so
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen
here.
O
I'm
going
to
just
put
up
a
real,
quick
slide
and.
B
O
O
Homes
and
we're
just
talking
about
non-conforming
standards,
so
it's
just
it's
not
a
very
big
policy
change
and
so
to
summarize,
what
me
and
sasha
have
worked
with
with
the
legal
department
is
basically
to
update
the
definitions
in
the
code.
It
is
also
to
add
some
manufactured
home
uses
that
are
within
the
overlay
district,
but
to
actually
specify
that
in
the
permitted
use
table,
probably
the
most
impactful
is
to
allow
replacement
of
homes
in
an
existing
mobile
home
park.
O
Space
and
I'll
explain
that
in
a
minute
also
expand
the
window
within
a
qualified
overlay
district,
so
allow
the
replacement.
So,
if
you're
on
an
individual
lot
and
you're,
either
in
our
home
overlay
or
our
community
overlaid
districts
we'll
expand
it
from
180
to
365,
day
window
and
then
we'll
maintain
our
180
day
limit
for
replacement
in
all
other
zoning
areas.
O
So
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
give
you
just
a
real
quick
snapshot
of
what
we're
looking
at.
So
this
is
kind
of
east
asheville
down
this
kind
of
right
side
is
the
blue
ridge
parkway.
So,
if
you're
looking,
those
areas
in
black
are
the
areas
that
are
parcels
coated
with
a
mobile
home
land
use
code
from
the
tax
card,
so
that
doesn't
mean
it's
a
big
big
park,
but
you
can
see
that
that's
more
or
less
hall,
creek
and
beverly
hills.
There's
not
many
in
that
area.
O
O
O
Shallow
area-
and
then
this
is
over
off
sandhill
road.
You
can
see
that
the
I-4026
interchange
there's
several
zoning
districts
overlay
here
along
that
I-40
corridor
and
then
there's
quite
a
few
homes
established
along
sardis
road,
not
of
not
all
of
those
are
in
the
sea
limits,
though,
however,
and
then
lastly,
this
is
kind
of
south
asheville
skyland,
the
largest
one
at
the
very
bottom.
O
The
solid
one
is
actually
probably
the
last
mobile
home
part
that
I
remember
being
approved,
and
that
was
done
through
a
conditional
zoning
process
and
then,
as
an
example.
What
I
showed
this
is
one
in
oakley,
so
this
is
kind
of
our
standard
mobile
home
park
in
asheville
they're.
Usually
I
call
them
oldie
goldies
they've
been
around
for
many
many
years,
predate
our
zoning
code
and
the
modern
standards
that
we
have,
but
they
are
a
reservoir
of
important
housing
stock
for
us.
O
So
that's
something
we
don't
want
to
forget
that
sometimes
these
are
the
most
deeply
affordable
housing
that's
available
to
people,
that's
not
subsidized
in
some
other
program
or
government
sponsored
owned
property,
so
they
I
mean,
I
know,
there's
contentions
around
upkeep
and
things
like
that.
But
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
today.
O
So
with
that
I'll
stop
sharing
in
that
slide
and
just
ask
if
anybody
has
any
quick
questions
about
the
ordinance.
I
can
show
that
if
you
want
me
to
show
what
we're
looking
at
or
I
can
explain
what
the
issue
is,
but
I'll
just
say
succinctly
is:
if
you
have
a
mobile
home
park
and
the
mobile
home
is
older
or
whatever,
and
they
pull
that
home
out
and
that
stays
vacant
for
more
than
six
months,
the
space
is
dead.
O
You
cannot
replace
a
home
there,
even
if
the
overall
mobile
home
park
is
non-conforming,
we're
also
looking
at
a
space
by
space
basis.
So
there's
kind
of
this
slow
attrition
of
available
places
to
place
a
home,
whether
it's
a
rental
spot
or
rental
home.
So
there's
this
kind
of
like
slow
attrition
over
time
and
we've
had
several
park
owners
there.
O
Their
local
owners
tell
you
the
truth:
they're
local
residents
that
own
the
parks,
they're,
saying
they're,
either
working
with
mountain
housing
or
the
veterans,
restoration
corridors
to
re-house
people
and
they're,
just
not
opportunity
to
place
a
home
in
their
park
anymore,
and
so
they
have
power
meters.
They
have
addresses
the
space
was
there,
but
it's
been
empty
for
two
or
three
months,
and
so
we're.
G
E
O
Okay,
so
it's
coming
up,
so
what
we
have
in
in
black
strikeout
is
the
current
definition.
So
we'll
start
with
the
definition,
that's
an
old
definition
and
what
we
have
worked
with
is
actually
to
select
the
general
statute,
and
basically,
I
copied
the
general
statute
from
it's
actually
145
to
147
number.
Seven,
that's
in
red!
I
did
keep
the
one
little
piece
there
in
black
at
the
bottom.
That
says,
the
term
manufacturer
home
does
not
include
recreational
vehicle.
D
O
O
There
was
multiple
multiple,
you
know
manufacturers,
and
then
we
had
the
recession
of
2000
2001.
That
was
another
kind
of
like
another,
like
loan
crisis,
so
to
speak,
but
it
really
kind
of
impacted
that
segment
real
drastically.
It
caused
the
collapse
and
consolidation
of
the
mobile
home
industry.
O
So
I
I
have
a
I'm
inferring
here
that
I
believe
that
at
the
time
we
just
looked
at
mobile
homes
as
a
placeholder
use.
We
look
at.
I
say
we
look
at
manufacturing
housing
parks
as
a
place.
O
Overviews,
like
you,
would
a
parking
lot
in
a
downtown
area
like
it's
just
something
to
be:
it's
a
use
for
right
now
and
then
it
may
be
scraped
away
later
and
replaced
with
apartments
or
industrial
prop
uses,
and
I
think
that
we
we've
seen
the
experience
on
long
shoals
when
that
one
mobile
home
park
miami
circle
left
here
that
the
city
realized
that
that
that's
a
community
like
those
residents
rely
on
each
other,
there's
families
they
sometimes
own
their
homes
and
that
that's
extremely
impactful
on
those
people
that
live
there
and
that
they
either
become
unhoused
or
they
face
a
a
in
an
ordinary
expense.
O
That's
not
congruent
with
their
income
levels.
So
I
think
it's
you
know
a
legacy
ordinance
that
just
looks
is
is
grounded
25
years
in
the
past
and
we
didn't
have
a
housing
crisis
and
I
think
it's
arrived
where
we
need
to
address.
We
need
to
do
something
so
sure.
That's
a
long
appearance,
all
right
so
I'll
roll
down
to
so
that's
the
definition.
Scott
you've
probably
got
so
we're
actually
adding
to
the
table
uses.
We
don't
have
the
overlays
in
our
code
attached
to
the
permitted
use
table.
O
We
have
like
what,
if
y'all
look
at
our
code,
it's
like
46
zoning
districts.
It's
like
a
laundry
list,
it's
expensive
extensive!
So
if
you
just
read
the
standards
for
each
of
the
manufactured
housing
overlay
or
the
community
overlay,
it
goes
around
this
kind
of
circle
to
say
this
is
this:
is
the
use
scott?
Do
you
mean
go
ahead
and
ask
a
question.
E
Real
quick
on
that
just
the
definition
they're
manufactured
in
multi-section
versus
single
section
is
that
referring
to
a
single
white
or
double
wide
or
that's
a
multi-section
development.
O
I'm
sorry
it
is
the
home
itself,
so
multi-section
would
be
a
double
water
a
triple
wide,
because
there
are
some
triple
wides
out
there
right
and
then
the
single
section
is
a
single
wide
mobile
home
manufacturer,
home,
okay,
and
so
our
our
mobile
home
overlay
district
doesn't
specify
that
exactly.
But
if
you
read
the
standards,
it
says
you
know
four
times
no
more
than
four
times
the
width.
So
it
goes
around
this
a
circle
to
say:
that's,
basically
a
double
wide
on
the
individual
watts,
so
we're.
O
Say
that
succinctly
so
that
the
average
person
that
can
read
the
code
that's
going
to
potentially
go
to
a
dealer
nose,
so
they
don't
have
to
come
here
and
get
their
hopes
up,
that
they
can
get
a
single
wide
and
show
up
just
to
have
their
heart
broken
because
there's
a
lot
of
energy
for
many
people
when
they're
doing
that
to
then
have
that
pulled
out
from
under
them.
So
we're
just
going
to
try
to
stop
that.
That's
kind.
O
They're
allowed
but
they'll
be
allowed
in
the
community
overlay
with
that,
and
that
could
be
on
an
individual
lot.
So
I
think
we
will
clarify
that
we're
looking
at
those
community
overlay
areas
so
we'll
we
can
work
on
some
more
clean
up
later
and
then
so
here's
that
very
dry
section.
I
was
referring
to
the
non-conforming
section,
17
5.,
so
we
have
an
a
and
a
b
currently
and
they
basically
repeat
themselves.
G
O
A
is
the
park
only
so
anywhere
you're
at
overlay
district
or
not
you're.
In
a
park
the
park
can
replace
a
home
one
for
one
inside
the
park.
That's
that's.
O
If
you
want
me
to
read
it,
I
can
b
is
saying:
if
you're
in
an
overlay
district,
I'm
we're
striking
out
the
180
and
replacing
with
365
365.
So
if
you're
in
that.
G
O
District
you're,
just
you
own
your
own
lot
on
your
own,
an
old
house
and,
and
you
want
to
go
from
a
single
wide
to
a
double
wide.
You
can
replace
it,
but
you
got
a
year
to
do
it.
Yes,
sir.
E
O
I
think
we
would
say
we
would
look
at
the
overlay
district
to
see.
Is
a
single
white
allowed
in
that
district?
So,
if
you're
just
in
the
so
we
have
there's
two
districts,
there's
the
community
and
it
would
allow
the
single
one
so
yeah
you
could,
if
you
could
do
it
by
right,
you're
always
going
to
be
able
to
do
something
by
right.
So,
even
if
that
was
smaller,
that's
not
meant
to
prohibit
somebody.
E
Okay,
I
I
only
asked
because
I
it
just
as
a
quick
aside,
I
came
across
another
a
another
areas.
Another
jurisdictions,
ordinance
that
effectively
bans
single
wides,
and
I
was
looking
at
that
in
comparison
to
the
state
building
code
for
one
and
two
family
construction,
which
chapter
160d
of
the
state
planning
enabling
legislation
very
very,
very
clearly,
states
that
you
can't
put
a
minimum
square
footage
requirement
on
essentially
stick
built
modular
or
one
and
two
family.
E
O
E
E
O
H
I'm
I'm
gonna
get
to
the
the
next
sentence
that
you're
about
to
get
to,
which
is
the
the
time.
You
know
that,
365
days
from
the
last
day
of
occupancy.
H
H
These
spaces
should
be
restricted
in
some
way
that
that
other
building
lots
aren't
restricted,
and
it
would.
It
feels
like
there's
an
underlying
sense
that
you
know
if
I'm
a
park
owner
and
I've
got
you
know
over
time.
You
know
a
third
of
my
part
can't
be
replaced.
H
Then
my
you're
impacting
my
ability
to
to
run
a
successful
business
and,
as
a
result,
you
know
provide
housing.
It
feels
like
we're
creating
the
conditions
to
where
park
owners
are
either
going
to
have
to
cut
corners
in
park
maintenance
in
order
to
deal
with
this
loss
of
income
or
we're
creating
the
conditions
for
speculators
to
come
in
and
buy
out
the
park
and
change
it
to
a
different
land
use.
So
I
I'm
I
love
where
you're
going
with
this.
H
I
think
this
is
a
great
like
this
was
a
great
find
and
a
great
you
know
tweak
in
the
code.
I
don't
know
that
we're
going
far
enough
to
make
sure
that
we're
taking
restrictions
off
I
mean
I,
I
can't
what
I
would
compare
this
to
is
you
know
for
a
while
asheville
had
you
know
a
development
regulations
around
rental
units
and
rental
housing,
maintenance.
H
You
know
through
regulation
that,
in
a
way
that
makes
it
harder
for
folks
to
provide
low-cost
housing
and
to
provide
low-cost
housing
in
a
dignified
way
right,
if
we're,
if
they're
you
know,
for
cutting
into
a
park
owner's
ability
to
to
generate
revenue
from
the
park,
we're
forcing
them
to
make
choices.
You
know
to
make
bad
management
choices
basically,.
O
H
Income,
yes,
so
I
mean
you
know.
If
you
came
in
and
told
me
that
you
know
I
couldn't
build
on,
you
know:
half
the
lots
in
a
neighborhood
that
habitat's
trying
to
develop.
It
would
no
longer
be
cost
effective
for
me
to
develop
that
neighborhood
right,
which
is
basically
what
we're
saying
in
this
situation.
H
I
can't
generate
lot
rent
off
of
so,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
a
park
owner
like
I,
it's
death
by
a
thousand
small
cuts,
I'm
eventually
going
to
have
to
cut
corners
somewhere
else
or
I'm
going
to
be
looking
for
somebody
to
buy
me
out
who's
going
to
replace
that
park
with
a
you
know,
with
a
more
expensive
land
use
that
doesn't
provide
the
same.
You
know
that's
going
to
displace
the
the
community,
that's
there
and
most
likely
replace
it
with
higher
cost
housing
or
some
non-housing
use.
O
So
there
might
be
one
manufacturer
house
on
a
lot,
that's
in
the
overlay
district,
so
that
there
might
be
a
reason
why
it
may
be,
like
you
said,
poor
condition
and
so
they're
trying
to
get
financing.
They
had
to
move
out.
What
have
you,
or
maybe
it
was
a
home,
an
estate,
and
so
the
family
moved
out
and
there's
there's
a
wheel
involved
and
people
are
not
living
in
it,
so
we're
allowing
a
365,
and
that
would
just
be
the
replacement
of
a
non-conforming
house
with
another
non-conforming
house.
But
if.
H
H
So
yeah,
industry,
okay,
so
there's
no
time
constraint
on
replacing
a
unit
within
a
park
as
proposed.
That
is
correct.
We
would
not
so
b.
Doesn't
a
and
b
are
not
layers
on
each
other,
they're
they're
completely
different,
okay!
Well,
that's
that
wasn't
clear
to
me
on
the
sorry
I
didn't
like
initial
read:
that's.
O
If
we
had
documentation,
we
would
let
you
replace
that
space
or
fill
that
space
with
a
home,
so
we'll
we'll
remove
it
so,
regardless,
if
it's
going
to
overlay
or
not,
it
would
be
allowed
and
then
b
would
address
areas
that
are
not
a
park
but
within
the
overlay.
So
that
would
be
basically
if
you're,
not
a
park.
You're
an
individual
house,
so
you've
got
a
single
wide
either
behind
the
existing
detached
single-family
house.
O
O
So
if
I'm,
neither
of
those
then
c
applies,
which
is
basically
the
standards
that
we
have
today,
so
I
think
beaver
dam,
west
asheville
for
the
most
part,
but
which
is
majority
city
like
we
just
seen
that
map,
so
that
map
that
I
just
showed
you
those
three
or
four
maps.
O
J
Yeah,
thank
you
I
think
for
me.
What
I'm
just
like
observing
here
is
that
the
current
policy
was
written
a
long
time
ago
and
was
written
with
the
idea
of
eventually
ridding
our
city
of
manufactured
housing.
Right,
yes,
and
I
think
what
I'd
love
to
just
maybe
discuss
is,
is
what's
our
belief
now
we're
you
know
we're
many
years
later
we
have
this
very
specific
goal
of
affordable
housing.
Do
we
agree
that
we
want
fewer
manufactured
homes
or
do
we
want
more
manufactured
homes?
J
But
I
just
feel
like
the
details
are
really
important
in
what
we're
talking
about
and
not
losing
housing
stock,
of
course,
but
if
we
can
create
some
sort
of
agreement
on
what
we
believe
and
then
you
know
write
the
policy
from
that
from
that
idea
feels
like
I
don't
know,
it
feels
like
we're,
leaving
out
the
conversation
of
what
we,
what
the
overall
vision
is.
O
E
Sure
so,
just
a
quick
comment
to
you,
ricky
on
item
c
kind
of
going
on
the
you
know
the
same
language
there
about
no
smaller
than
again.
It's
just
a
concern
of
oh
you
know
it's
a
word.
You
know
sort
of
size,
ism
or
size
exclusion,
and
I
guess
kind
of
going
to
the.
I
guess
my
question
about
the
potential
double
standard
of
hey.
If
you're
in
stick
built,
you
know
state
law
already
very
clearly
states,
no
minimum
square
footage.
E
If
you're
under
hud
code,
it's
you
know
320
or
greater,
so
I
don't
necessarily
see
the.
I
guess
the
validity
of
you
know
of
stating
a
a
size
limit
if
it's
already
controlled
by
the
underlying
hud
building
code
or
whatnot
and
then
paul
to
follow
on
your
comment.
Yes,
you
know
just
my
quick
read
of
this
is
that
essentially
mobile
homes
were
treated
like
billboards.
It
was
basically
a
amortization
process.
E
You
know,
rightly
or
wrongly,
I
think
you
know
some
some
zoning
ordinances
historically
have
you
know,
viewed
them
as
noxious
uses,
and
I
think
at
least
for
my
you
know,
kind
of
understanding
of
a
lot
of
other.
You
know
zoning
history,
I
mean
that's,
you
know,
rightly
wrongly.
Otherwise,
it's
kind
of
the
history
of
you
know
of
a
lot
of
especially
things
that
are
deemed
non-conforming
uses.
Essentially
you
are
trying
to
eventually
you
know,
you
know
amortize
it
or
sweep
it
out
of
the
way
so
yeah.
E
I
think
I
think
you
have
a
really
good
question
and
my
answer
real
quickly
would
be.
You
know
my
approach
on
affordable
housing
is
it's
an
all
of
the
above
approach
and
I
think
manufactured
modular
prefab
now
in
2022
is
much
more
advanced
than
it
was
in
1976.,
so
yeah
I
mean
I
I'd
go
for
an
all
of
the
above
approach
and
to
be
just
completely
agnostic
on
housing
typologies.
J
Yeah
thanks
I'd
love
everyone
else's
opinions
on
that.
Subject
your
point
to
the
new
technology
around
menu.
What
will
be
called,
probably
manufactured
housing
things,
look
very
different.
You
know,
there's
a
company
in
vegas,
manufacturing
components
of
the
of
of
homes
like
you
do
vehicles
on
an
assembly
line
where
they're
doing
you
know
they'll
do
hundreds
of
thousands
of
these
and
they
won't
look.
J
They
won't
look
like
what
we're
used
to
thinking
of
as
a
manufactured
home,
but
as
we
see
some
of
these
disruptive
technology
technologies
coming
up
in
housing
like
our
policies
should
should
work
with
them
so
yeah.
I
hope
I
hope.
Maybe
we
can
have
some
kind
of
consensus
on
on
just
what
we're
speaking
to
like.
How
do
we
really
feel?
Are
we
still
along
the
lines,
or
we
still
believe
we
want
to
phase
this
out?
Do
we
want
to
open
it
up?
You
know,
anyway.
Thank
you.
Scott.
D
I
think
we
have
to
work
on
getting
rid
of
the
stigma
that
is
associated
with
mobile
homes
and
mobile
home
parks.
I
think
that
that
there
is
a
a
real
stigma
against
them
and
again
I
know
some
of
the
parks
are
not
in
the
best
shape,
but
I
mean
we.
We've
talked
to
one
of
the
he
he
owned
several
parks,
george
morrissani.
D
We
sat
down
with
him
and
he
sold
all
of
his
parks,
but
there
is,
there
is
a
definite
increase
in
the
opportunity
to
buy
a
mobile
home,
and
I
think
we
I
mean
if
people
can
do
that,
I
think
or
rent
a
mobile
home.
I
think
that
the
standards
have
to
be
raised
and
we
have
to
get
rid
of
the
stigma
that
exists
out
there.
F
Yeah,
I
think
it's
important
to
have
a
variety
of
housing,
stock
and
options
for
residents
and,
in
my
opinion,
the
biggest
issue
is
the
quality
of
housing
that
is
being
produced,
offsite
or
prefab.
And
if
that
is,
if
that's
shifting,
then
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
option
that
allows
housing
for
different
people.
A
Is
you
know,
we've
we've
had
the
mobile.
We
know
we've
started
to
introduce
the
discussion
about
mobile
homes
when
we
started
with
some.
We
started
it
with
a
data
approach
by
looking
at
the
amount
of
houses
that
sold
in
buncombe
county
that
were
less
than
275
thousand
dollars
and
how
good
you
know
I
forgot
was
like
10
or
20
of
them
were
mobile
homes
manufactured
homes
and
that
in
the
city
it
was
like
there
was
one
or
two,
because
you
know
one.
A
That's
we
don't
allow
them
the
way
the
county
is,
but
with
this
I
just
asked
ricky
the
intent,
because
what
I
also
want
to
be
careful
of
this
is
a
bigger
like
this
is.
This
is
a
bigger
conversation
about
whether
mobile
homes
and
whether
it's
current
as
they
are
or
new
technology
manufactured
homes.
That
is
a
big
conversation
and
we
are
planning
to
have
that
conversation,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
use
that
to
derail
a
technical
change
which
is
a
low-hanging
fruit
by
getting
bogged
down
in
the
details
too
much.
G
A
Like
maybe
ricky
just
the
intent
of
this
and
then
the
committee
just
to
keep
that
kind
of
broader
scope
in
mind
that
we
don't
want
to.
You
know
it's
hard
moving
things
through
the
city.
It's
it's
a
lot
easier
on
minor
technical
changes
and
it
is
a
bigger
conversation
we
are
going
to
have,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
bring
too
much
attention
like.
We
don't
want
to
overly
focus.
We
don't
want
to
up.
A
A
We
should
keep
this
bigger
conversation
in
mind,
but
but
also
be
really
wary
of,
like
we
don't
want
to
derail
something,
that's
in
process
so
ricky,
if
you
can
just
kind
of
share
a
little
bit
of
just
quick
the
background,
and
why
like,
why
we're
trying
to
get
this
through
right
now
and
then
also
if
they're
yeah?
I
guess
that's
my
my
big,
my
house,
just
to
give
the
background
to
the
committee
before
we
before
we
discuss
it.
Thanks.
C
And
a
couple
of
the
other
municipalities
that
I've
worked
in,
they
actually
built
into
the
building
approval
process,
actual
visits
to
the
various
faculty
factories
that
build
these
types
of
homes
to
help
people
who,
in
the
who
do
building
inspections,
get
comfortable
and
also
to
us
wage.
Any
fears
on
the
part
of
elected
officials
who
definitely
and
quite
explicitly
were
against
just
the
name
manufactured
housing,
because
they
just
assumed
that
stickboat
was
better
and
they
really
didn't
know
what
the
difference.
If
any
was
so.
C
I
recommend
that
in
your
process
to
get
the
whole
municipality
more
comfortable
with
manufactured
housing,
that
you
incorporate
some
visits
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
take
them
and
maybe
even
insist
that
people
in
building
inspection
in
inspection
roles
make
sure
that
they
go
to
the
to
the
manufacturing.
O
All
right
thanks
here
so
so
so,
basically,
where
we're
at
it's
like
kind
of
berries
hitting
it,
is
that
we're
trying
to
do
some
small
technical
changes.
First,
it's
it's,
you
know,
do
the
small
good
things
first
in
instead
of
waiting
on
a
big
big
package
that
could,
if
we
wanted
to
expand
the
districts
that
allowed
manufactured
housing
or
upgrade
or
update
the
design
because
of
changes
in
technology
with
manufacturer
housing.
O
So,
instead
of
getting
into
that,
that's
gonna
involve
a
lot
more
community
input
and
it's
probably
gonna
take
a
lot
more
time.
So
basically,
if
this
is
just
a
small
piece
of
like
you
said,
barry
a
much
more
bigger
process
and
so
yeah,
so
we
do
some
good
a
little
bit
of
good
at
a
time,
that's
better
than
waiting
five
years,
while
the
fires
are
still
burning
out
there
on
housing,
because
people
still
need
a
place
to
sleep,
because
we
all
know
that
for
me,
it's
like.
O
I
lived
in
a
mobile
home
for
a
while,
and
so
anyway,
I
can
answer
that.
Like
I
actually
one
time,
I
had
a
single
wide
and
my
power
bill
now.
This
has
been
about
15
70
years
ago.
My
power
bill
one
month
was
28,
so
it
was
insulated.
It
was
nice,
my
mom
and
dad
were
freaked
out.
They
said
we
got
married
in
74.
We
never
had
a
28
power
bill,
but
so
there
are
good
quality
ones
out
there,
but
yeah.
O
I
I
think
it's
it's
the
part
about
just
piecing
together,
potentially
multiple
amendments,
and
then
this
this
group
is
probably
part
of
that.
Facilitating
that
conversation
that
may
involve
more
neighborhood
involvement
and
as
those
voices
come
forward.
So
if
there's
a
part
that
could
get
maybe
doesn't
receive
that
momentum
to
get
adopted,
we
can
still
move
our
other
prongs
forward.
That
may
be
more
palatable
to
the
broader
community,
so
we
don't
lose
everything
with
one
time.
O
We
see
that
in
congress,
there's
always
these
good
big
bills,
but
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
never
makes
it
through
because
there's
one
poison
pill
in
there
that
just
sends
it
down.
So
I
think
it's
kind
of
our
our
process
was
not
not
to
not
to
not
be
bold,
but
to
think
bold,
but
move
prudently.
I
Yeah
I'll
just
chime
in
I
really
like
the
idea
of
kind
of
the
low
hanging
fruit
now
and
and
not
bog.
This
thing
down
the
open
space
changes
needed
one
small
little
tweak
to
really
help
out
affordable
housing
and
it
got
wrapped
into
a
huge
conversation
and
a
huge
overhaul
that
took
a
really
long
time
to
come
to
fruition.
So
I
think
that
that
being
one
of
the
most
recent
ordinance
changes
is
a
perfect
example
of
why
we
want
to
to
focus
on
this
this,
the
small
stuff.
I
Now
that
will
be
very
impactful
and
and
let
that
other
process
I
I
do
think
it's
worthy
of
us
bringing
forward.
I
liked
kevin's
idea,
there's
new
technologies
out
there.
We
need
to
educate
our
inspectors.
We
need
to
educate
folks
on
that,
but
that's
there's
a
there's
a
whole
lot
wrapped
up
in
that
and-
and
while
I
think
it's
important
and
we
should
explore
it,
let's
not
let
it
slow
down
what
what
we
can
change
and
make
an
impact
with
with
these
changes.
E
And
and
ricky
I'll
just
second,
I
I
do
appreciate
that
you've
inserted.
You
know
the
ncgs
143.
I
think
it's
it's
crucial
to
have
congruence
with
state
law
and
definitions
and
again,
certainly
regarding
any
size,
related
regulations.
So
I
appreciate
the
reference
on
that.
I
A
O
Well
I'll
talk
to
sasha,
I
believe
we're
going
to
go
to
a
council
committee
rachel,
I'm
not
sure,
would
it
go
to
ped
or
hcd.
I
think
we're
thinking
hcd.
Is
that
your
thoughts
or.
P
O
Okay,
we'll
we'll
probably
just
defer
to
you
to
help
us
god
there,
but
then
after
that,
of
course,
then
plans
on
commission
and
council
is
kind
of
the
next
steps,
if
that
correct
their
rachel.
Okay.
A
A
K
D
C
F
I
C
G
A
A
We
will
keep
this
conversation
going
because,
as
we
all
know
that
you
know
any
any
kind
of
product
for
house
additional
housing
stock
and
affordable
housing
stock
is
important
and
there
are
an
incredible
amount
of
new
technologies
happening
around
the
country
around
the
world
and
some
being
worked
on
right
here
in
town.
O
A
Well,
thank
you
ricky
for
your
efforts
on
this.
You
know
and-
and
I
know
how
much
work
this
this
little
stuff
all
takes.
So
thanks
for
your
efforts
and
for
shepherding
it
through
to
the
different
committees
and
folks
before
it
gets
to
council,
I
do
well
actually
I'm
gonna
put
on
I'm
gonna
actually
probably
should
have
done
this
before
voting
to
make
sure
about.
A
We
don't
normally
ask
if
there's
public
comment
about
anything
specific
before
the
end
of
the
meeting,
but
I
was
told
before
the
meeting
there
may
be
someone
so
staff
is
there
anyone
do
we
have
any
public
comment
waiting
and
if
so,
is
there
any
that
might
be
around
this?
That
we
should
bring
up
and
hear
at
this
point.
G
A
But
it's
we
were
told
there
may
be
someone
so
all
right.
Well,
thank
you!
So
much
everybody
next
up,
we've
got.
You
know
we're
going
to
go
through
the
community
development
update
we
do
have.
I
think
the
file
was
provided
to
us
and,
let's
see
sasha
I
think,
is
rachel.
Are
you
going
to
be
kind
of
going.
A
I'm
going
to
pull
it
up
on
my
screen
and
if
you
can
kind
of
share
that
the
one
the
one
actually
one
question
I
know
I
will
ask,
I
don't
know
if
it's
you're
going
to
have
the
answer-
and
I
do
want
to
share
share
this
quickly-
is
that
the
asheville,
the
the
land
trust
the
actual
bank
of
land
trust
they
had
their
first
closing
and
that's
right
and
they
so
they
put
their
first
homeowner
into
a
property
which
is
which
is
phenomenal.
That's
a
great!
A
You
know
great
update
to
hear
the
part
from
community
development
that
I've
been
interested.
I
don't
know
if
it
is.
A
But
that
we
do
want
to
look
into
is
they
there
were
some
city-owned
lots
that
that
was
supposed
to
be
going
to
the
land
trust,
and
it's
been
kind
of-
I
mean
another,
it's
been
a
year
or
something.
I
think
that
that
happened,
that
that
was
supposed
to
happen.
I
don't
think
there's
the
land.
Trust
doesn't
really
know
when
that's
supposed
to
happen
to
know.
P
I
don't
have
details
on
that
barry,
but
I've
noted
it
and
I
can
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
follow
up
with
you
at
your
next
meeting.
Thank.
P
P
So
please
bear
with
me
today,
as
I
won't
have
the
same
level
of
detail
as
sasha
or
nikki
would
have,
but
I'm
delighted
to
present
this
update
to
the
group
today.
So
a
couple
of
quick
updates
on
some
new
staff
that
have
been
added
to
the
team.
You
all
have
already
heard
from
kevin
lynn,
our
new,
affordable
housing
specialist,
and
he
just
made
some
comments
even
during
the
last
item,
so
kevin's
a
welcome
addition
to
the
team.
P
It
definitely
has
a
wealth
of
resource
wealth
of
experience
in
the
affordable
housing
space,
and
so
we
are
delighted
to
have
that
additional
resource
also
want
to
note
that
we
have
stephanie,
gilliam
and
she's
joined
the
meeting.
Today
she
is
an
intern
from
western
carolina
university
is
going
to
be
helping
sasha.
P
I
believe
she
joined
within
the
last
month
and
so
just
wanted
to
note
that
we
do
have
some
additional
resources
available
to
support
sasha
and
the
important
work
that
she
as
well
as
this
board,
are
doing
to
support,
affordable
housing
in
asheville
updates
on
a
few
projects.
So
I
know
you
all
have
heard
about
this.
The
purchase
and
sales
agreement
for
319
biltmore
was
approved
at
the
august
23rd
city
council
meeting,
as
has
already
been
discussed
with
this
group.
P
This
project
will
have
a
minimum
of
215
units,
65
of
which
will
be
affordable
with
a
mixture
of
one
two
and
three
bedroom
units
throughout
the
project.
The
land
is
the
city's
subsidy,
and
at
this
point
there
is
no
intention
to
apply
for
luige
or
housing
trust
fund
dollars
and
laurel
street
residential
who's.
The
developer
and
who
the
purchase
and
sales
agreement
was
with
will
begin
the
design
process.
P
P
I
believe
it's
your
last
meeting
you
all
heard
from
mho
on
the
16
restaurant
court
property
that
request
for
housing
trust
fund
dollars
was
approved
by
the
city
council
on
august
23rd,
with
the
7-0
vote.
What
was
approved
was
an
850
000
housing
trust
fund
loan
for
land
at
16
restaurant
court.
This
is
a
low
income,
housing
tax,
credit
project
and
100
of
the
units
will
be
affordable
at
or
below
60
ami.
P
This
project
still
needs
an
additional
3.6
million
dollars
to
be
made
whole,
and
we
are
aware
that
there
will
most
likely
be
a
future
ask
of
the
city
to
help
fully
fund
this
project,
but
the
total
request
of
the
city
will
be
equivalent
to
the
request
being
made
of
buncombe
county
as
well
as
of
dogwood
a
project.
That's
going
to
be
brought
forward
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee.
At
their
september,
20th
meeting
is
the
laurel
wood
apartments,
and
this
is
another
housing
trust
fund
request.
P
This
application
is
going
to
include
a
project.
That's
going
to
have
220,
I'm
sorry,
22
million
in
total
development
cost
and
the
current
housing
trust
fund
request
is
one
million
dollars.
An
additional
500
000
may
be
requested
in
the
future
to
further
enable
the
new
construction
on
this
site.
The
project
will
con
construct,
54
new
apartment
units
that
will
be
affordable.
The
project
will
also
rehabilitate
50
existing
units
on
the
property.
P
It
will
be
low
income,
housing,
tax
credit
project
with
4
tax
credits,
and
the
project
also
has
a
funding
commitment
at
this
time
secured
from
buncombe
county
and
I'll
note
that
this
this
project
is
located
in
the
shiloh
neighborhood
at
last
week's
housing
and
community
development
committee
meeting,
there
was
a
support
for
the
work
plan.
P
Nikki
reed
actually
made
that
presentation
to
the
committee
and
so
that
work
plan,
although
it's
dynamic,
is
intended
to
just
serve
as
a
planning
mechanism,
so
that
staff,
ahack
and
other
interested
parties
know
what
policy
review
areas
as
well
as
ongoing
items
for
committee.
Consideration
are
coming
up
on
future
agendas
so
appreciate.
P
The
support
of
this
group
also
appreciate
the
support
of
the
housing
and
community
development
committee,
helping
us
kind
of
pilot
how
that
structure
would
look
as
we
look
at
potentially
replicating
it
for
all
of
our
city
council
committees,
so
I
believe,
coming
down
the
pipeline
for
this
group
is
in
october
a
hack
will
be
asked
to
make
recommendations
on
the
2016
remaining
bond
allocations
and
then,
in
november
phase
one
of
the
housing
trust
fund
policy
review
will
be
underway.
P
Should
there
be
a
consideration
for
separate
a
pot
of
funding
for
the
purchase
of
land
and
then
the
overall
request
cap?
So
those
are
just
some
of
the
funding
consider
or
some
of
the
policy
considerations
that
we're
going
to
be
asking
this
committee
to
look
at
prior
to
making
those
recommendations
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee.
P
This
is
the
project
that
barry
mentioned
at
the
start
of
this
presentation.
On
august
20th,
there
was
a
celebration
for
the
first
land
trust
homeowner
nikita
lindsay.
I
regret
that
I
was
not
able
to
attend
the
event,
but
I
know
sasha
was
able
to
attend
and
represent
the
city
and
so
definitely
a
positive
step
forward
and
very
to
your
point,
we
will
definitely
get
some
information
on
those
city-owned
lots
and,
and
have
that
reported
back
to
you.
A
Nope,
I
think
we're
good.
I
mean
thank
you
thanks
rachel
for
doing
that
great
job,
stepping
in
yeah
and
it's
great
great,
to
see
some
of
those
projects
moving
forward.
You
know
one
thing
I
guess
I'll
just
share
now
since
you're
since
you're
here.
Rachel-
is
that
this
bit
about
the
the
boards
and
commissions
which
we
there's
kind
of
an
email
dropped
today
and
basically
the
the
gist
of
the
email,
is
that
the
idea
of
merging
or
getting
away
with
any
of
the
boards
and
commissions
has
been
dropped.
A
So
that's
that
so
there's
going
to
be
some.
The
task
force
about
boards
and
commissions
is
going
to
continue
to
look
at
how
it
they
can
just
be
structured
differently
for
better
workflow,
and
you
know
a
hack
is,
I
guess,
one
of
these
examples
of
a
pilot
that
we're
going
to
be
having
some
conversations
and
having
some
clear
direction
from
housing.
A
Community
hcd
committee,
but
you
know
the
big
news,
and
you
know
to
share,
is
that
it
sounds
like
the
idea
of
merging
or
dropping
any
of
the
any
of
the
boards
and
committees
in
the
city
has
been
postponed
or
it's
not
even
in
consideration.
Right
now
is
that
is
that
how
you
would
describe
this
rachel?
A
I
know
we
were
talking
about
this
before
the
meeting
about
this
email
that
we
all
got,
but
if
you
can
share
that
just
as
a
you
know
as
an
update,
because
I
think
that
in
the
past
is
that
that
piece
has
left
some
uncertainty
where
we've
had
less
people
applying
for
boards
and
commissions,
so
it'd
be
good
to
just
get
that
out
there
clear.
P
Yeah,
that's
correct,
so
the
the
working
groups
charge
has
pivoted
away
from
the
consolidation
or
review
of
the
structure
of
existing
boards
and
commissions,
and
now
they're
actually
preparing
a
survey.
That's
going
to
be
distributed
to
all
current
and
then
former
board
members
to
get
some
feedback
from
you
all
on
where
there
could
be
some
potential
enhancements.
P
What
are
some
of
the
you
know:
potential
barriers
to
success
that
board
members
have
experienced
in
the
past
so
that
we
can
continue
to
refine
and
improve
our
existing
board
and
commission
structure
and
I'll
just
note
the
pilot
with
the
housing
and
community
development
committee.
That
really
is
a
parallel
and
complementary
effort,
but
not
necessarily
the
same
effort
as
the
work
that
the
working
group
is
doing.
P
Any
policy
review
time
for
future
agendas
for
boarding
commissions,
but
the
intent
there
is
really
more
focus
on
the
council
committees
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
ensure
that,
based
on
the
strategic
policy
direction
that
we
get
from
council
at
their
annual
retreat
each
year
is
staff
focusing
on
the
correct
items
to
ultimately
move
the
needle
in
those
strategic
priority
areas
that
have
been
established
and
so
their
complementary
efforts?
P
Of
course,
we've
spoken
to
this
group
about
wanting
to
have
an
opportunity
for
you
to
provide
that
bi-directional
feedback
to
the
council
committee,
but
that
effort
is
really
separate
from
the
work
that
the
working
group
is
is
currently
preparing.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
they're
going
to
be
distributing
a
survey
they're
going
to
be
working
on
some
recommendations
and
from
there
we
as
staff
are
going
to
be
assessing.
P
You
know
what
are
some
of
those
things
that
are
the
low-hanging
fruit
that
can
be
addressed
immediately
and
then
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
may
have
a
more
significant
necessary
resource
commitment
and
needing
to
look
at?
How
do
we
program
that,
in
future
years,
with
the
other
work
that
staff
has
going
on
to
ensure
we
have
the
capacity
and
the
dedicated
time
to
ultimately
work
through
those
recommendations?
Of
course,
we
wouldn't
be
working
through
any
of
those
recommendations
prior
to
getting
direction
from
city
council
to
do
so.
P
So,
as
I've
mentioned,
though,
the
next
step
with
that
boards
and
commissions
working
group
is
to
finalize
that
survey.
You
all
will
get
links
to
the
survey
you're
encouraged
to
respond,
and
then
I
believe
the
working
group
will
be
working
with
staff
to
sort
through
those
recommendations
which
will
then
be
brought
forward
to
council
committees
for
consideration
on
how
we
prioritize
those
recommendations
and
work
through
them.
A
And
yes,
and
thanks
and
kind
of
put
some
of
the
uncertainty
aside
so
to
know
we
as
a
committee,
let's
get
back,
we
get
back
to
work
and
not
worry
about
being
disbanded
or
merged,
or
anything
like
that.
So
any
other
questions
about
community
development
updates
or
about
this
boards
and
commission
before
we
move
on,
because
if
we're
gonna
come
to
the
agenda
want
to
kind
of
finish
up.
A
Next
up
I
want
to
I
want,
so
I
want
to
move
to
our
discussion
pieces
I'll,
just
update
real,
quick,
real,
quick
on
basically
our
build
task
force.
We
have
not
met
much
this
summer,
just
I
think
schedules
and
busyness
and
but
we're
gonna
get
we'll
get
back
on
our
meeting
schedule.
So
then
we
can
have
updates
for
next
time
on
the
connect
team.
Andy,
do
you
want
to
kind
of
you
want
to
share?
You
want
to
share
a.
C
H
Update
sure
the
connect
team
met
on
19th,
we
had
a
really
interesting
presentation
and
discussion
with
chris
joyelle
who's
doing
a
project.
H
The
local
aia,
chapter
they're,
looking
at
some
policy
recommendations
around
what
they're
calling
a
community
benefits
table,
we've
talked
about
it
in
this
committee
in
the
terms
of
sort
of
a
equitable
development
scorecard,
but
basically
a
way
to
identify.
H
So
it
was
a
really
exciting
project,
interesting
conversation
with
chris
and
he's
interested
in
kind
of
having
the
connect
group
involved
in
that
in
a
in
an
ongoing
way
as
they
as
they
bring
those
policy
ideas.
Together,
we
had
a
little
bit
of
discussion
about
the
thrive
asheville
project
that
was
funded
through
city
arpa
funds
and
their
review
of
some
of
the
the
policies
that
are
kind
of
in
our
work
plan,
particularly
gathering
data
around
the
equity
impact
of
housing.
H
Investments
again
really
excited
to
kind
of
fold
that
project
in
and
make
sure
that
we're
creating
visibility
through
a
hack
for
the
work
that's
happening
with
that
group,
we
had
a
little
bit
of
a
discussion
about
the
source
of
income
discrimination
topic
that
came.
It
was
coming
to
the
human
rights
commission
and
I
see
that's
further
on
the
agenda.
H
So
I'll
leave
that
alone,
and
then
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
appointments
of
our
new
members
and
we're
really
thrilled
with
all
the
new
folks
that
have
joined
our
committee
and
would
extend
a
hearty
welcome
for
you
to
join
the
connect
work
group
before
barry
and
the
build
team
gets
their
hooks
in
you.
A
Great
thanks,
thank
you,
andy
and
kind
of
with
that
that
segway
what
I
want
to
do
kind
of
next
one.
We
have
on
this
the
section
formal
discussion
and
agenda
future
agenda
items.
So
so
one
of
the
questions
and-
and
you
know
the
the
term-
that's
on
the
agenda-
is
non-discrimination
of
income
source,
and
this
is
kind
of
what
prompted
this
is
the
charlotte
city
council
passed
something
and
there's
a
link
to.
A
I
think,
the
charlotte
motion
or
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
the
the
basically
the
gist
is
that
for
projects
you
know
for
developments
that
are
receiving
city
funding,
that
that
that
income
source
can't
be
a
source
of
discrimination,
so
that
voucher,
so
there's
nothing
that
that
inhibits
vouchers
from
being
accepted-
and
you
know
currently
I
think
that
so
the
conversation
comes
up
like
so
currently
they're,
even
the
developments
we
have
that
are
built
and
accepting
like
80,
ami
or
60
mi,
and
it
says
they
will
accept
vouchers,
there's
nothing.
B
A
Accept
vouchers
or
that
they
can't
so
I
think
that's
some
kind
of
clarification
is
there
any
so
if
tara
like
I'm
not
sure
like
who
would
be
the
best
to
lead
this
conversation
to
share
some
background
on
it.
A
So
if,
if
you,
if
you're
familiar
with
this,
it's
something
we
want
to
discuss
for
how
we
make
sure
that
the
vouchers
are
out
there
get
used
and
that
people
are
discriminating,
the
landlords
aren't
discriminating
against
it
if
to
get
them
to
get
this
conversation
going,
I
think,
like
tara,
maybe
you
know
you
might
know
some
about
this
nuena.
I
believe
you're
on
the
you
was
it
the
different
committee
that
that
is
involved
with
this,
so
maybe
I'll.
A
L
So,
specifically,
as
to
you
know
the
initiative
in
and
of
itself,
not
much,
however,
as
to
the
work
that
we
do
here
at
the
housing
authority.
L
Of
course,
it
is
largely
tied
to
I
mean
it
is
a
housing
choice,
voucher
program
and
we
either
have
tenant
base
or
project
based,
and
so
what
we
have
done
in
the
last
couple
of
years
and
have
concentrated
on
we
actually
partner
with
thrive
to
provide
resident
education
to
be
able
to
get
them
acclimated
to
the
market
outside
of
public
housing,
quote
public
housing,
and
so
that
part
is
being
done.
L
We're
also
doing
landlord
education
to
combat
the
stigma
attached
to
the
vouchers
and
our
residents
that
use
them,
and
so
that
is
going
forth
as
well.
We
also
in-house
provide
landlord
incentives
that
you
know
will
help
with
incentivizing
landlords
to
consider
our
voucher
holders.
L
Of
course,
things
such
as
signing
bonuses
and
and
mitigation
if
there
is
damage
to
the
units
when
people
move
out,
and
so
those
are
the
things
that
you
know
that
we
are
focusing
on
as
it
relates
to.
That
is
not
necessarily,
you
know
called
that,
but
the
the
work
of
it
is
in
fact:
how
do
we
get
more
of
our
vouchers
utilized
and
get
residents
into
the
open
market
and
and
have
landlords
to
to
sign
on
and
to
utilize
our
vouchers
and
to
welcome
our
residents.
A
G
I
think
okay,
so
I'm
on
my
end,
I'm
more
of
the
person
that's
doing
the
direct
service.
Tara
is
the
expert
and
I
take
what
her
department
does
and
put
it
into
implement
it
in
the
community.
So
what
I'm
seeing
is
more
of
discrimination
with
the
vouchers
or
not
having
enough
landlords
to
accept
the
vouchers
that
we
have
for
the
clients.
So,
on
my
part,
I'm
doing
a
lot
of
advocating
and
begging
landlords
and
property
owners
to
take
them.
G
You
know,
sometimes
they
do
have
the
stigmas
and
I'm
I
do
dangle
the
landlord
incentives
over
their
heads
so
that
they
can
understand
that
some
some
ways
they
are
protected,
but
there
isn't
enough
opportunities,
but
we
had
to.
We
have
to
figure
out
how
to
somehow
bridge
that
gap,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
residents
with
the
vouchers
or
with
helpmate.
We
have
a
lot
of
funding.
G
You
know,
and
just
letting
the
landlords
know
that
this
is
not
a
voucher,
but
we
are
able
to
pay
a
year's
worth
of
lease
a
lease
for
a
client
and
they
have
funding
behind
their
name,
even
though
they
might
not
have
the
documentation
stating
from
you
know
their
employer
that
they
could
afford
the
house.
But
they
have
me
as
the
wallet
to
pay
for
the
lease.
G
B
J
Yeah,
and
would
you
say
that
education
is
just
like
the
biggest
issue,
that
landlords
just
don't
realize
the
benefits
or
are
there
some
specific
benefits
that
you
would
see
that
maybe
we
could
we
could
advocate
for
that,
that
would
protect
landlords
and
maybe
make
them
more
comfortable
with
accepting
them.
G
To
be
honest,
paul,
you
know,
I
want
to
hold
my
tongue
and
not
say
this,
but,
like
sometimes
people
are
just
discriminating
period.
This
is
what
it
is.
They
use
it
as
a
way
of
not
allowing
certain
types
of
people
in
their
homes
or
on
their
properties,
especially
since
I
work
for
helpmate,
which
is
the
organization
who
advocates
for
people
who
are
experiencing
intimate
partner,
violence
or
domestic
violence.
G
A
I
think
one
of
the
you
know
this
this
in
itself
this
this
particular
discussion
at
least
what
charlotte
did
is
about
just
creating
a
policy
that
doesn't
allow
discrimination.
I
guess
we
can
look
at
that
and
I
think
there
also,
but
this
is
also
part
of
a
larger,
like
several
policies
and
components
of
it
which
have
been
discussed
here
like
what
are
the?
What
are
the
incentives
that
we
can
do
to
allow?
Someone
to
you
know.
A
I
use
this
term
a
lot
try
before
you
buy
or
date
before
you
get
married
like
how
do
we,
because,
right
now,
if
you
know
if
a
landlord
who
owns
a
a
unit
wants
to
try
to
do
you
know
to
rent
afford
to
affordable
housing,
there
really
aren't
any
incentive
packages
unless
someone's
willing
to
sign
a
20
or
30-year
deed
restriction,
and
that's
usually
like
the
like
the
luige.
A
So
one
of
the
we
have
discussed
is
the
committee,
the
concept
of
allowing
a
much
shorter
term
luige,
where
the
tax
credit
the
tax
rebate
is
based
on
the
of
the
time
it's
allowed
affordable.
So,
even
if
you
did
it
for
two
years
three
years,
you
get
the
tax
revenue
for
this
two
or
three
years,
though
having
to
sign
the
20-year
commitment,
because,
right
now,
this
my
understanding
is
there's
noth,
there's
really
isn't
any
short.
A
A
This
is
as
well
as
about
the
you
know,
creating
a
non-discrimination
policy,
but
also
what
are
the
tools
that
we
can
do
to
allow
people
to
try
like
in
the
you
know
like
the
thrive
program
which
I'm
familiar
with,
is
also
a
little
it's
limited,
at
least
at
the
moment,
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
not
even
sure
their
funding
level
the
time,
but
I
know
it
is
limited
that
the
vouchers
can
only
be
used
if
someone
is
moving
directly
out
of
a
housing
authority
development.
A
So
if
it's
a
portable,
if
it's
a
voucher,
that's
not
in
use
or
if
it's
a
voucher,
that's
used
in
a
private
apartment.
It
can't
be
used
on
the
thrive
program,
so
so
maybe
there's
the
talk
of
how
to
open
that
up
and
then
the
you
know.
Definitely
this
luige
conversation,
but
I
think
you
know
we
should
continue
this
conversation
about
how
to
you
know
the
goal
is:
how
do
we
get
more
people
to
provide
affordable
housing
and
the
and
the
easiest
thing
is,
what
is
right?
C
A
C
A
K
Yeah,
I'm
just
curious,
and
I
and
tara
you
may
not
have
this
answer
offhand.
L
We
do
have
that
data,
but
it's
not
anything
that
I
could
tell
you
today
that
I
have
on
the
top
of
my
head.
I
would
have
to
pull
and
see,
but
it
is
a
large
percentage.
It
is
a
you
know.
L
We
have
a
lot
of
voucher
holders
that
cannot
find
housing
and
so
again
our
qualifications
for
them
is,
you
know,
having
lived
you
know,
one
year
in
our
tenant-based
housing
and
being
able
to
then
move,
I
mean
in
our
project-based
housing
than
being
able
to
move
so
people
are
qualifying
by
the
day
because
they
have
met
the
threshold
and
so
again
being
able
to
identify.
L
One
of
the
bigger
problems
is
one
of
the
larger
issues.
Is
that
there
being
a
stock?
You
know
just
just
housing
stock
generally,
but
then,
of
course,
landlords
who
are
willing
and
to
take
our
vouchers
and
again
the
stigmas
and
the
you
know
outright
discrimination
as
to
who
they
want
to
occupy
their
units
is
certainly
at
issue
as
well.
I
H
Thanks,
I
think
what
the
what
the
charlotte
ordinance
does
and
what
the
recommendation
that
went
to
the
human
rights
commission
earlier
this
month
or
last
month
suggested,
is
really
putting
some
teeth
to
compliance
around
the
the
properties
that
have
agreed
to
take
vouchers
as
a
part
of
receiving
public
sector
funds
and
not
just
vouchers,
but
other.
You
know
ways
that
people
pay
their
rent
so
by
making
source
of
income.
H
You
know
kind
of
treating
it
in
this
as
a
in
the
same
way
that
we
treat
other
protected
classes
like
race,
like
you
know,
like
disability,
like
age,
those
sorts
of
things
that
you
know
that
landlords
are
prohibited
from
discriminating
based
on
we've,
got
compliance
tools
to
make
sure
that
if
you
know,
if
someone
feels
like
they've
experienced
discrimination
based
on
that
protected
class
status,
they've
got
a
way.
They've
got
recourse
to.
You
know
to
investigate
that,
and,
and
and
and
get
you
know,
a
settlement
from
their
from
their
landlord.
H
This
would
make
source
of
income
kind
of
in
one
of
those
protected
classes
so
that
you
know
if
I've.
If
I've
taken
money
saying
you
know:
okay,
I'm
gonna
x,
number
of
my
units
in
this
new
development
that
I'm
going
to
do
are
going
to
be,
are
going
to
accept
vouchers,
and
I
am
not
accepting
vouchers.
H
You
know
then,
there's
there's
recourse
through
the
courts
to
to
go
after
that,
as
a
as
a
you
know,
as
a
from
a
housing
discrimination
standpoint
and
david
may
be
able
to
say
a
little
bit
more
about
the
enforcement
side
of
that,
but
it's
really
creating
an
enforcement
tool
for
that.
You
know
that
piece
of
of
the
housing
environment.
L
L
Company
yeah,
just
you
know
it's
I
mean.
Are
you
saying
that
at
application
they
can
ask
for
their
source
of
income
because
again
maybe
it's
nothing
and
that
they
are
receiving
subsidy.
L
So
when,
when
are
we
talking
about
sorry,
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
read
up
on
the
ordinance
but
or
on
the
or
what
they're
presenting,
but
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
at
what
point
in
process.
L
H
Right
the
recommendation
that
went
to
the
human
relations
commission
didn't
get
into
that
level
of
detail
and
I
think
none,
no.
It
sounds
like
none
of
us
on
this
call
have
the
information
to
really
have
the
the
discussion
that
we
need
to
have
around
this,
but
it's
it's
clearly
a
tool
that
that's
been
missing.
H
You
know:
we've
you're,
you
know
seeing
folks
who've
experienced
discrimination
based
on
source
of
income,
and
you
know
as
as
do
we
so
it's
I
it's
I'm
excited
that
it's
it's
bubbling
up
in
the
in
the
conversation
in
the
city,
and
you
know
it's
it's
one
of
those
places.
As
the
you
know,
on
the
connect
team.
We
think
a
lot
about.
You
know
how
the
everything
that's
not
related
to
the
supply
of
affordable
housing.
H
This
is
one
of
those
policy
areas
that
we've
kind
of
you
know
just
we
we've
had
our
eye
out
so
much
on
the
affordable
housing
supply
ball
and
this
in
a
hack
and
hcd
that
it's
nice
to
see
these
things
coming
up
in
other
places
in
the
in
the
city,
boards
and
commission
structure,
and
it
would
be
great
to
for
us
to
know
more
about
it
and
be
able
to
support
that
in
the
same
way
we
were,
you
know
the
conversation
we
had
with
ricky.
H
You
know
on
the
planning
economic
development,
the
the
zoning
side
of
things
that
affects
affordable
housing,
even
though
it's
you
know
it's
it's
happening
outside
of
you
know,
increasing,
affordable
housing
supply
that
we
tend
to
focus
on.
A
Yeah
I
wanted
to
you
know
just
put
this
again.
Kind
of
this
section
is
kind
of
informal
discussion,
and
future
agenda
is
obviously
something
we're
going
to
vote
on
decide
on,
but
I
just
want
to
kind
of
get
it
out
to
see.
You
know
this
is
an
important
important
conversation,
then
also
how
maybe
you
know,
as
as
I'm
thinking,
especially
knowing
with
new
new
members
on
the
committee
and
where
your
connections
are
like
and
hearing.
B
A
G
A
Funding
sources
that
might
put
you
over
to
consider
this
so
but
that's
you
know
we'll
well,
let
me
just
answer
and
we'll
go
through
the
comments.
You
know
we
have
a
couple
hands
up
so
get
to
those
and
then
we
kind
of
do
need
to
move
on,
but
so
let's
hit
those,
I
think,
wayna
you
were
up
first
or
not,
I
could
be
wrong,
but
it's
you
can
go
first
and
then
call
then
margie.
G
G
I
was
so
excited
to
get
my
hand
up,
but
what
was
it
getting
the
landlords
to
understand
that?
Okay,
so
with
our
program,
we
have
placed
a
couple
clients
in
apartment,
conferences
or
private
landlords.
We
were
paying-
maybe
eight
nine
hundred
dollars
a
couple
months
ago
that
person
or
a
red
client
has
left
that
property.
Now
you
know
I
contacted
the
same
landlord
or
property
and
asked
if
I
could
move
a
different
client.
Now
the
rent
is
1500
1700
1800.
G
We
need
to
have
a
conversation
about
that
too,
because
sometimes,
when
they
raise
those
rents
it
may
not.
The
vouchers
may
not
be
able
to
pay
those
amounts
and
also
for
the
grants
that
we
have
to
help
make
they
are
not
fair
mark.
They
are
not
there's
a
term
for
I'm
sorry,
it's
not
fair
market
rate.
It's
another
term
that
some
of
these
hud
funding
grants
are
do
not
allow
us
to
pay
for
our
clients,
because
that
is
above
that
margin.
B
D
I
was
to
say,
kate
has
done
a
survey,
I
don't
know
it
can't
be
that
old,
but
I
was
thinking
that
she
had
a
lot
of
that
information
as
to
because
they
did
a
whole
survey
of
landlords
as
to
why
they
didn't
want
to
take
vouchers,
and
I
think
that
there's
they
she
found
out
some
really
good
information,
maybe
a
little
old,
but
not
can't
be
that
old.
D
So
I
would
suggest
that
we
perhaps,
as
we
widen
this
discussion,
that
we
get
her
results
of
her
survey,
that
she
did.
L
Yeah
and
she
also
held
which
we
participated
in
and
in
person
forum
well
before
covet,
and
we
got
landlords
together
and
we
had
candid
conversations
and
we
talked
about
these
things
and,
and
so
I'm
sure
she
still
has
the
reporting
the
reports
from
that
as
well.
So
very
good,
great
idea,
and
especially
you
know
that
we're
down
the
road
a
few
years
since
thrive,
took
this
on
and
and
again
us
partnering
with
them.
L
It
would
be
interesting
to
see
with
the
changes
in
market
and
things
of
that
nature,
what
landlords
think
now
and
where
they
are
now
considering
all
that's
going
on
in
the
market.
D
A
Let's
see
councilwoman
mosley,
do
you
have?
Is
there
anything
you
want
to
kind
of
chime
in
on
this?
I
know
this
is
something
you
know.
You've
brought
you
you've
brought
to
our
attention
as
well.
Is
there
anything
you
want
to
kind
of
chime
in
if
you're
still
on
the
call.
M
M
Nor
do
I
know
about
the
potential
legal
pushback,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
this
group
was
aware
of
it,
and
I
wanted
to
lean
into
your
expertise
and
you've
already
said
some
great
things
about
how
we
could
lean
into
this
particular
notion,
and
I'm
also
wondering
I
was
hoping
janice
will
be
on
the
call
if
we
decided
to
come
forward
with
you
know
something
like
this.
M
Would
it
be
possible
to
have
a
certain
look
back
period
as
well?
So
those
are
my
thoughts
on
this
particular
issue,
because
we
do
need
more
housing
available
for
voucher
holders
and
bear,
if
you
don't
mind,
can
I
move
from
this
conversation
into
the
20
80
20
discussion
that
I
think
yeah
yeah,
okay,
so
you'll
see
in
the
packet
that
there's
a
a
line
for
a
20
80,
20
luige
adjustment?
M
I
wouldn't
necessarily
call
it
an
adjustment.
It's
just
an
idea
that
I
had
that
would
more
so
be
an
expansion
really.
So
let
me
tell
you
what
the
end
goal
and
policy
is
in
mind
and
then
I
welcome
your
thoughts
or
your
study
on
this.
You
know
the
policy
20
80
20..
It's
no
secret
that
that
80
percent
effectively
excludes
a
large
portion
of
the
residents
here
and,
on
the
other
hand,
working
folks,
workplace
housing
is,
is
an
issue
so,
for
you
know,
folks,
working
downtown
and
in
the
tourism
industry.
M
So
I
wondered
about
the
viability
of
perhaps
merging
the
two.
What
I
mean
by
that
is
coming
up
with
a
policy
that
incentivizes
affordability
at
60,
maybe
50
and
then
uses
100,
maybe
102
120
ami
as
a
way
of
subsidizing
that
I
don't
know
if
that
is
possible,
but
I
wanted
to
bring
it
to
your
attention
to
have
a
discussion
about
it.
A
Thanks
yeah
kind
of
the
idea
we
we
talked
about
and
brought
up
is
that
there's
like
work
that
that
80,
that
a
lot
of
the
new
luige
applications
you
see
coming
across
are
all
they're
swinging
right
for
the
middle.
You
know
they're
swinging
right
for
the
80,
the
twenty
percent
at
eighty
percent,
and
then,
if
there's
a
way,
we
can
look
at
how
much
using
is
kind
of
that.
Look
at
that.
Eighty
percent
is
either
an
average
or
a
median.
A
That
way
we
can
instead
of
saying
just
shooting
eighty
percent
because
who's
also
being
it's
like
those
who
need
it,
the
most
are
being
left
out
of
it
and
then
essentially
the
workforce
housing
like
meaning
that
the
restaurant
hospitality
workers,
who
are
actually
a
lot
of
them
over
80
mi,
but
are
being
completely
priced
out.
So
how
we
can
look
at
maybe
saying,
okay
well,
instead
of
saying
every
every
you
know,
twenty
percent
of
users
are
eighty
percent
of
imi.
It's
almost
more
look
at
like
an
average
or
median
that.
A
J
A
Of
this
conversation,
and-
and
you
know
so-
this
is
it's.
This
is
a
future
agenda
item
and
this
is
something
those
kind
of
things
that
we
hope
will
make
it
on,
and
we
can
keep
on
this
kind
of
work,
the
work
plan
and
the
direction
we
get
from
hcd,
but
this
kind
of
helps
us
keep
on
task.
Now
that
we're
talking
about
things
that
are
interested,
you
know
that
we
know
there
already
is
some
support
of
in
council.
A
So
we're
not,
you
know,
spinning
our
wheels
and
that
you
know
it's
part
of
you
know
engaging
with
councilman
mosley,
and
you
know
we
do
definitely
with
sage
turner
on
this.
It
helps
that
knowing
we're
talking
about
things
that
there's
interest
in
above
us
and
then
we
we
can
work
on
the
details,
you
know
or
help
hash
out
the
details
with
staff
support
staff,
support
of
that,
so
so
yeah.
A
I
don't
have
too
much
cover
time
to
spend
on
this,
but
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
kind
of
introduce
that
you
know
that
idea
and
we'll
this,
I
think,
will
be
something
we'll
continue
to
talk
about,
and
you
know
a
staffed
review
and
then
some
of
this
stuff-
and
you
know
maybe
the
connect
me-
your
connect
task
force.
Y'all
y'all-
can
explore
this
in
in
detail,
but
yeah.
Thank
you.
You
know
thanks
for
bringing
this
to
her
too
thanks
for
discussing
this
and
thanks.
You
know
councilman
mosey,
for
bringing
this
to.
A
You
know
our
attention
and
also
sharing
that
this
is
a
priority
of
yours,
because
that
helps
keeps
us
on
task.
So
we're
working
on
things
that
are,
you
know,
are
priorities
of
the.
I
look
at
the
hcd,
the
task
force
that
we
kind
of
report.
To
so
does
anyone
I
mean
we're
kind
of
running
low
on
time.
Is
there
anyone
who
wants
wants
to
chime
in
anything
on
this
80
20
20
conversation
before
it
comes
back
to
us
on
the
future.
A
Yeah,
we
definitely
will.
We
definitely
will
keep
this,
because
we,
I
think
this
was
kind
of
we
just
wanted
to
kind
of
drop
this
conversation
piece
and
it
definitely
will
will
come
back
as
a
deeper
conversation
and
we'll
kind
of
especially
if
we
can
once
this
kind
of
ties
in
with
what
our
you
know.
I
think
next
meeting
of
hcd
is
when
some
of
this
work
plan
is
being
adopted
by
them.
A
That
will
then
flow
to
us,
so
how
we
can
kind
of
keep
that
stuff
within
that
work
plan
that
we
have
targeted
to
com
targeted
conversations
and
that
way
we
also
know
that
we
can,
you
know,
have
this
some
of
the
staff,
the
the
staff
support
for
for
doing
these
things
and
where
we
can
chime
in.
But
yes
this,
I
think
you
know.
I
think
this
has
come
up
as
a
an
important
conversation
that
that
we
can
help
keep
up.
You
know,
that's
part
of
our
committee.
A
All
right
thanks
next
up
to
the
idea
of
our
a
hack
retreat.
I
think
we're
going
to
do
is
after
we've
been
talking
about
having
this,
but
we
wanted
to
wait
until
hcd
adopted
their
work
plan,
so
we
can
discuss
how
we
want
to
design
our
work
plan
based
around
that.
My
understanding
is
the
october
hcd
meeting
is
when
that
is
supposed
to
get
adopted.
So
then
we
will
have
some
guidelines,
so
we
will
have
something
to
follow
a
little
more
tangible,
which
is
what
we've
kind
of
always
wanted
rachel.
P
Yeah,
just
a
quick
point
of
clarification.
We
got
endorsement
at
the
last
housing
and
community
development
committee
meeting
from
the
committee
members
that
they're
in
favor
of
the
items
that
are
currently
slated
on
their
work
plan.
So
at
this
time
we're
not
planning
on
formal
adoption,
especially
since
we've
only
got
programmed
out
the
next
few
months
and
not
the
entire
fiscal
year.
So
it
is
what
it
is
and
it's
been
shared
with
you
and
we
can
make
sure
you've
got
the
latest
copy.
P
But
given
that
it's
dynamic,
we
just
didn't
see
necessarily
a
point
in
having
it
formally
adopted
on
each
of
the
upcoming
hcd
agendas.
We're
actually
going
to
list
what
the
plan
is
for
the
next
few
committee
meetings.
Just
so
they
can
see
what
we've
got
slated
but
right
now
the
plan
is
not
to
have
a
formal
adoption.
A
Okay:
okay,
thanks
thanks
thanks
for
that
clarification,
so
I
guess
let's
so
I
guess
that
means
we
don't
have
to
wait
for
that,
since
those
guests
have
missed,
but
let's,
but
so
this
idea.
B
A
Hack
retreat,
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
needed,
it's
a
needed
thing
and
that
also
ties
in
with
kind
of
the
next.
I
think
what
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
you
know
is,
so
we
have
new
committee
members.
We
have
some
committee
members
who've
been
on
here
for
a
while.
We
have
some
have
just
rolled
off.
We
have
some
that
are
in
some
positions.
You
know,
I'm
in
the
chair
position,
margie's
been
in
the
vice
chair
position
that
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at
at
reshuffling,
especially
over
the
next
year.
A
I
def
I
have
one
year
one
year
left
on
this
on
this
committee
and
then
I'm
not
up
for
said
I
would
love.
I
would
like
the
process
to
start
to
transition.
You
know
to
new
leaders
and
and
and
share
kind
of
from
what
what
that
might
be
needed.
So
you
know,
I
think,
that's
something
that
would
be
an
important
part
of
that
we
discussed
in
the
retreat
as
well
among
amongst
this
kind
of
work
plan
idea.
A
So
I
you
know,
I
just
want
to
kind
of
bleed,
because
we
will
we're
about
out
of
time,
but
I
do
want
to
kind
of
leave
it
with
that
that
just
to
think,
if
there's
any
way,
if
any
of
you
want
to
kind
of
step
up
in
some
of
your
leadership
roles
of
this,
which
I'll
admit
is
it
is
more
than
a
part-time
job.
A
It's,
but
you
know
just
I
want
you
to
all
think
about
that,
and
then
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
kind
of
work
on
some
kind
of
like
doodle
polls,
one
of
those
polls
for
looking
at
dates,
for
when
we
could
do
a
retreat
and
also
discuss
the
length
of
what
that
is
because
sometimes
I
see
I
see
all
these
talks
about
retreats
and
basically
it
just
means
it's
an
extended
two
or
three
hour
meeting
and
when
I
think
of
something
what
I'm
used
to
more
of
like
a
retreat,
it's
something
more
than
just
an
extended
meeting.
A
It's
something!
That's
a
little
bit
more!
It's
not
informal,
because
anyone
can't
exactly
do
that,
but
something
that
allows
something
that's
out
of
the
order.
You
know,
I
don't
know
we'll
have
to
discuss
it,
but
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
put
put
out
kind
of
something
like
a
dual
pole
for
looking
at
some
dates
and
then
also
a
question
whether
we
just
want
it
as
extended
meeting.
A
We
want
to
look
at
something
a
little
bit
more
retreat
light,
meaning
meeting
off.
You
know,
meeting
offline
off
site
somewhere.
That
may
be
in
more
conducive
of
constructive
conversations,
so
we'll
put
that
out
over
the
next.
You
know
the
next
next
couple
weeks
and
maybe
by
the
next
meeting,
we'll
be
able
to
vote
on
a
date
and
time
and
structure
of
that
and
again,
if
you
know,
if
any
of
y'all
want
to
consider
stepping
up
in
different
leadership
roles
in
this
committee,
that
is
definitely
needed.
A
Okay,
next
up
the
on
the
events,
news,
there's
the
affordable
housing,
fair,
which
is
the
weekend
of
the
10th.
So
that's
coming
up
it's
at
the
lotsar
realtors
in
the
board
of
realtors
headquarters,
which
is
happens
to
be
next
arrest.
You
know
on
restaurant
court
and
that
is
there's
gonna,
be
a
affordable
housing
fair
earlier
part
of
the
day,
then
there's
a
panel
discussion,
which
I
know
margie
myself
sasha
and
I
forgot,
if
there's
a
few
others
that
are
that
are
on
that,
I
think
kurt
booth.
A
Actually
so
it
should
be
a
good
discussion,
but
just
if
you
can
help
spread
the
word
about
that
event,
it's
happened
in
the
past.
It's
just
been
in
it's.
It's
happened
in
the
past.
Four
coaches
hasn't
happened
in
the
past
few
years
in
the
past
few
years,
so
excited
for
that
and
excited
for
you
know
all
y'all
who
can
attend
that'd
be
good
to
also
just
catch
up,
see
each
other
in
person
and
chat
for
a
bit.
That
would
be
a
great
place
for
that.
D
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
starting
I'll
be
going
down
to
raleigh
next
tuesday.
It's
the
north
carolina,
affordable
housing
conference
in
raleigh
north
carolina.
It
usually
brings
between
five
and
700
people
from
all
over
and
it's
a
mixture
of
all
kinds
of
non-profit
organizations.
D
For-Profit
organizations,
bankers,
mortgage
people
that
deal
strictly
in
tax
credit
condensers
and
it's
it's
a
very
big
deal,
and
so
maybe
you
know,
there's
lots
and
lots
of
different
people,
speaking
consecutive
groups
and
and
seminars
going
on
at
the
same
time,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
all
are
planning
on
going
tara.
Will
you
or
david
be
there.
L
Yeah
we're
not
going
to
go.
I
know
we,
we
talked
earlier
about
us,
probably
both
or
one
of
us
going,
but
we
had.
We
have
a
lot
of
transition
going
on,
and
so
we
are.
Our
plates
are
pretty
full
at
this
point,
so
we're
not
going
down
but
love
to
hear
about
it.
When
you
get
back
yeah.
D
I'll
be
glad
to
do
that,
but
I
think
it's
a
it's
held
right
downtown
at
the
convention
center
there
and
most
of
the
you
know,
there's
I
think
still
obviously
places
available
for
to
do
that.
So.
D
N
We
do
not,
I
did
send
you
an
email
with.
It
was
a
very
lengthy,
cannot
read
it
out
loud.
It
was
two
different
comments
from
the
same
person.
I
did
send
it
to
your
email,
though
barry,
but
there's
no
actual
public
comment.
That's
on
the
list
right
now.
A
Okay,
okay,
do
we,
and
so
the
public
comment
that's
come
in?
Does
that
go
I
mean
I
I
just
I
just
I
just
looked
at
my
email,
so
it
looks
like
I
could
just
got
a
little
bit
ago.
So
there's
looks
like
there's
some
emails
that
have
come
in.
Do
we?
A
A
A
It's
a
it's
pretty
lengthy
and
obviously
y'all
don't
have
this
I'm
just
reading
like
I'm
just
looking
at
this.
For
the
first
time
it
is,
I
was
left
on
the
live
site.
This
is
regarding
we'll
we'll
post
this,
but
you
know
this
is
about
a
it's
about
a
habitat.
A
It's
about
it's
about
someone
who
sounds
like
you're,
having
some
dissatisfaction
with
habitat
for
humanity
project,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
of
our
process
for
this
like
when
we
have
an
email,
especially
when
we
first
usually
get
them
ahead
of
time
and
it's
posted
is
with
our
agenda
items
as
a
document.
E
N
I
know
personally
when
we
do
it
in
other
committee
meetings,
I'll
email,
the
comments,
especially
if
they're
lengthy
and
then
they'll
address
it
to
that
person
or
at
least
put
it
out
in
the
minutes.
A
Okay,
I
think
we
should
put
this
out
in
the
minutes.
It's
just
it's
a
lengthy
email
and
I
don't
know
when
it
came
in,
but
I
just
I
you
know
I
can
read
it,
but
I
think
we
put
it
in
the
comments.
I
think
that
should
suffice,
but
the
it's
it's
a
public
comment
from
someone
who
is
lives
in
a
habitat
humanity
project
in
shiloh
and
talks
about
some
dissatisfaction.
A
So
I
think,
rather
than
read
the
whole
thing,
I
think
we
should
just
post
this
and
then
we
can
see
if
next
next
meeting,
if
there's
a
if
we
did
that
right
or
if
we
need
to
read
it,
but
I
think
I
think
that
satisfies
our
requirement.
You
know
satisfies
what
we
need
to
do
by
put
posting.
This
is
a
minutes
item
to
make
sure
that
it's
public
record
and
then,
when
we're
live
next
meeting,
you
know
there's
the
opportunity
for
people
to
come.
I
know
this.
A
A
The
plan
will
be
for
yeah.
The
plan
will
be
for
live
for
october,
barring
anyone
else
getting
coveted
exposure.
Direct
that
you
know.
A
That
is
the
plan
to
be
live
in
october,
and
at
that
point
then
we
can
also
discuss
this
again
as
part
of
that
email
drop
this
morning
also
discuss
a
remote,
remote
meeting
policy
that
commissions
can
adopt
if
they
choose
to
adopt,
but
well
we'll
just
we
can
discuss
that
at
the
next
at
the
next
meeting.
But
yes,
I'm
sure
hoping
that
we
could
be
live
in
october.
A
All
right
both
thank
you
very
thank
you.
Everyone
welcome
to
the
new
members
welcome
to
new
staff,
thanks
for
joining
and
we'll
see,
y'all
at
builds
and
connect
meetings,
and
then
at
the
next
meeting
and
everybody
who
can
please
come
out
to
the
affordable
housing
fair
next
saturday.
Thank
y'all.
N
Oh
wait:
barry
before
you
leave,
have
you
thought
about
going
through
the
cd
ced
listserv,
where
they
send
out
the
email
about
the
affordable
housing?
Fair,
I
think
christina
or
athena
runs
that.