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A
And
we
are
live-
and
this
is
a
meeting
of
the
downtown
commission
parking
and
transportation
working
group,
I'm
going
to
there's
no
chair
currently,
but
councilwoman
turner
has
offered
to
go
over
some
of
the
guidelines
for
live
streaming
public
meetings,
since
she
is
an
expert
on
this.
At
this
point.
B
Thank
you
good
morning,
everyone-
and
maybe
we
could
do
a
brief
introduction
I'll,
introduce
myself
and
then
maybe
you
could
each
and
I'll
give
some
directions,
so
I'm
sage,
turner,
asheville
city,
council
and
liaison
to
the
downtown
commission
and
previous
chair
of
this
parking
and
transportation
committee.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
for
those
of
you
listening
in
or
following
up
online
recorded.
We
appreciate
it.
We
are
going
to
be
discussing
today
not
voting
on
any
particular
items,
but
what
comes
of
this
discussion
will
be
a
recommendation
to
council.
B
As
for
those
of
you
participating
virtually
today,
if
you
could
stay
on
mute
as
much
as
possible,
unless
you
need
to
speak
and
that
will
help
reduce
background
noise,
there
is
a
raise
your
hand
option
and
if
you
would
like
to
get
in
the
queue
simply
push
that
button
and
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
it
and
call
on
you.
If
we
move
into
a
presentation
mode,
we
will
not
be
able
to
see
the
raised
hand,
so
you
will
have
to
speak
up
and
briefly
interrupt
to
be
heard.
B
F
And
david
hazard
is
on
line
two.
Oh
sorry,.
B
H
Hi,
I
didn't
I'm
sorry.
I
was
a
little
bit
late,
megan
rogers,
asheville,
downtown
association
and
also
on
downtown
commission.
A
Thank
you
and
I'll
just
help
kick
off
the
discussion
briefly.
We
all
met
just
over
a
month
ago
and
went
over
various
items
that
relate
to
downtown
parking
and
transportation.
We
wanted
to
follow
up
with
you
all
on
one
particular
item,
which
is
the
possibility
of
changing
some
rates
for
downtown
parking.
A
You
all
did
offer
some
helpful
informal
feedback.
Last
time
we
wanted
to
come
back
with
some
more
information
and
offer
the
opportunity
for
you
to
to
provide
some
more
feedback.
A
note
that
staff
is
will
go
to
city
council's
finance
and
human
resources
committee
on
the
20th
of
april
with
a
proposal.
So
thanks
for
getting
together
today
to
hear
these
updates
and
to
offer
any
informal
feedback
that
you
have,
and
with
that
I
will
hand
it
over
to
garrett
mill.
Our
parking
services
manager.
E
E
H
E
E
When
that
happens,
it
creates
very
not
great
customer
service
issues
for
us
very
strange
customer
experiences.
So
those
are
certainly
things
that
we
don't
want
to
be
our
norm,
so
we
really
are
at
a
place
where
we
do
need
to
replace
that
equipment.
E
Having
said
that,
we
shifted
into
looking
at.
Are
there
any
enhancements
to
the
equipment
that
we
can
make
that
are
going
to
improve
customer
service
through
our
research,
we
found
that
the
majority
of
national
manufacturers
of
this
type
of
equipment
have
shifted
away
from
being
able
to
accept
a
physical,
hard
coins.
E
Most
of
them
are
only
accepting
paper
cash
at
this
point
because
of
that,
we
and
there's
a
couple
reasons
that
we
would
recommend
moving
in
that
direction
from
a
staff
perspective.
E
The
first
is,
if
there's
no
coin
handling
in
equipment,
that
is
fewer
moving
parts
in
the
equipment
which
translates
into
less
breakdowns
faster
transaction
times
and
overall,
we
think
a
better
customer
experience
at
the
payment
device
with
some
time
studies
that
we
have
done
for
our
own
operations
and
I'm
sure
many
of
you
have
used
our
garages
and
are
familiar
with
them.
Some
of
them
have
unique
challenges
in
terms
of
pedestrian
access
and
vehicular
access.
E
We
have
found
that
by
eliminating
or
potentially
eliminating
the
use
of
coins
in
our
facilities
that
will
speed
up
transaction
times
for
us
by
75,
so
think
about
what
that
might
mean
in
terms
of
when
you
all
may
have
parked
in
the
garages
and
if
they're,
busy
or
there's
traffic
lines,
we
definitely
have
staff
available
to
help
with
that,
but
we
know
there's
a
tremendous
aspect
of
that
experience.
That
is
a
result
of
how
our
equipment
functions.
E
E
How
can
we
look
at
a
rate
change
to
allow
us
to
get
to
a
point
where
we're
able
to
utilize
that
equipment,
since
that's
really
what's
on
the
market,
for
us
to
be
able
to
purchase?
Knowing
that?
For
the
reasons
I
mentioned,
it
should
also
translate
into
better
customer
experience
and
better
maintenance
experience
for
our
customers
and
for
our
staff.
G
Okay,
one
thing:
I
know
that
one
of
the
big
issues
that
clog
up
the
the
garages,
particularly
after
events
or
it's
not
just
coins-
it's
also
you
know
just
each
transaction
at
the
gate.
Did
you
look
at
systems
that
allowed
you
to
pay
in
various
places
in
the
garage
so
that
the
exiting
was
you
know
just
waive
your
you
know
your
stamped
car,
you
know
the
little
card
or
token
or
whatever
it
was.
They
gave
you
at
the
exit,
because
that
way
you
could
still.
G
G
E
So
the
equipment
we
are
proposing
will
have
pay
in
lane
options.
Those
are
what
we're
most
familiar
with
now,
where
you're
paying
from
your
vehicle.
They
will
also
include
what
we're
calling
walk-up
pay
stations
which
will
be
located
throughout
the
garage
and
in
some
cases,
for
example,
on
the
wall
street
garage
we're
proposing
having
one
near
the
courtyard
outside
of
our
offices
here
on
wall
street.
So
we
do
plan
to
have
that
option
available.
We
would
like
to
see
the
majority
of
customers
eventually
transition
to
that
type
of
payment
environment.
E
Just
to
your
exact
point,
karen.
That
would
take
the
time
factor
out
of
paying
in
the
lane
completely
out
of
the
equation.
That's
of
course,
going
to
be
a
very
different
experience
and
so
it'll
probably
take
us
a
while
to
get
there,
but
that
is
going
to
be
an
option.
We
will
propose
going
forward
the
other
option
we
will
have
the
ability
to
take
advantage
of
will
be
prepayments
and
that
can
be
done
via
any
mobile
connected
device.
E
So,
for
example,
you
may
be
able
to
if
you
chose,
especially
if
you
knew
you
may
be
in
the
garage
for
three
hours
to
prepay
for
three
hours.
You
get
a
unique
barcode
that
you
scan
on
your
phone
to
come
in
and
you
scan
that
same
barcode
to
come
out.
The
system
will
calculate
whether
you
stayed
for
three
hours,
whether
you
stayed
for
less
and
are
entitled
to
a
refund
or
if
you
stayed
for
more
and
handle
it
for
each
individual
transaction.
E
E
I
E
In
terms
of
rates
we
are
proposing,
I'm
not
going
to
call
it
a
rate
increase,
but
our
rate
change.
The
other
thing
that
we've
looked
at
through
this
process
and
again
you
all,
may
be
familiar
with
this.
You
essentially
have
aaron
go
ahead.
Sorry.
G
I'm
sorry
I
just
had
one
more
question
did
when
you
were
doing
your
research.
Are
any
of
these
companies
not
taking
cash
at
all.
E
There
are
a
few
that
actually
is
a
lot
of
them
have
mentioned
to
us
in
our
research
that
that
is
what
a
lot
of
folks
will
see
as
the
future
of
the
parking
industry,
where
it
will
not
be
cash
driven
whether
that
might
be
credit,
debit
cards,
validations
pre-loaded
cards.
I
E
G
Right
yeah,
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
was
an
option
I
mean
I'm
really
concerned
about
two
dollars
an
hour
for
downtown.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
was
a
way
that
people
could
use
cash
in
a
you
know
in
a
machine
and
and
then
that
would
take
away
the
problem
of
the
coins
at
the
you
know
at
the
exit.
But
that's
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
many,
how
many
different
permutations
of
possibilities
you
guys
you
know
looked
at
for
that.
E
That
that
technology
does
exist,
we
went
into
this
effort
not
wanting
someone
to
have
a
different
experience
based
on
where
they
chose
to
pay,
whether
that's
if
they
chose
to
prepay,
if
they
chose
to
pay
at
a
walk-up,
kiosk
or
if
they
chose
to
pay
in
the
lane,
either
at
a
pay
station
or
with
one
of
our
booth
attendants.
So
we
wanted
that
experience
to
be
as
consistent
as
possible.
E
E
That
what
we're
looking
at
is
an
hourly
rate
structure,
which
is
what
about
60
percent
of
our
customers.
Do
the
other
40
are
our
monthly
customers
and
the
way
that's
currently
handled?
Is
you
pay
us
a
specific
amount
per
month
that
affords
the
user
of
that
permit?
24
acts
24
7
access
to
the
garage
we
found,
particularly
in
the
last
year,
that
the
idea
of
a
one-size-fits-all
one-time
fit
all
monthly
parking
approach,
isn't
meeting
the
needs
of
a
lot
of
our
customers.
E
So
another
thing
that
we're
proposing
is
creating
more
options
than
simply
pay
by
the
hour
pay
by
the
month,
because
those
are
really
the
only
two
options
you
have
in
the
garages
right
now.
So
we're
looking
at
daytime
rates,
nighttime
rate
and
what
we're
calling
a
sunset
rate,
which
would
specifically
be
a
permit
that
would
be
available
from
4
pm
until
7
am
7
days
a
week.
It
would
also
be
inclusive
of
saturdays
and
sundays.
E
We're
proposing
no
changes
right
now
to
the
24
7
monthly
parking
options
available
in
each
garage.
We're
proposing
that
the
12
hour
rates
will
vary.
The
the
low
range
would
be
80
a
month
up
to
110
dollars
a
month
for
the
7
a.m,
to
7
p.m.
Permit
and
we're
proposing
that
sun
rip
sunset
rate
that
I
mentioned
the
evening
and
weekend
rate
of
being
65,
ranging
to
95
90
depending
on
the
garage.
Those
prices
are
really
based
on
our
observed
demand.
E
We
also
know
that
we
haven't
changed
rates
in
a
couple
of
years.
I
think
the
last
time
we
did
is
2018,
if
I
remember
correctly,
and
so
we
wanted
to
put
a
structure
of
options
in
place
so
that
we
continually
can
look
at
those
and
be
a
little
bit
more
responsive
to
what
we
see
demand
for
parking
being.
E
I
E
Several
permitted
on-street
parking
areas
we're
proposing
to
convert
a
few
of
the
parking
lots
that
are
currently
parked
by
the
hour
to
monthly
parking,
we're
also
proposing
to
adjust
some
of
the
rates
for
those
lot
and
street
monthly
parking
areas.
In
some
cases,
we're
proposing
rate
decreases
and
we're
also
proposing
to
create
three
new
additional
on-street
permit
zones.
Again
with
the
idea
being
that
we
currently
have
those
two
very
formulaic
options
in
the
garage.
E
Yet
we
know
we
want
to
do
more
to
provide
more
options
to
folks
so
that,
even
if
the
rate
change
for
the
hourly
rate
does
go
into
effect.
Yes,
that's
going
to
impact
whoever
chooses
to
pay
it.
We
understand
that,
but
there's
the
other
element
of
trying
to
better
understand
what
those
customer
needs
are.
So
if
there
are
other
options
that
we
can
take
care
of
for
folks,
not
in
an
hourly
context,
where
we're
wanting
to
fully
explore
that
and
make
sure
that
the
options
are
out
there
because
they're
currently
not
there.
D
E
E
I
E
I'm
also
happy
to
speak
to
sorry
ruth
go
ahead.
C
I
was
gonna:
ask
what
lots
are
the
rates
going
to
increase
on.
C
E
F
E
C
I
it
begs
the
question
to
me
because
I'm
very
familiar
with
lot
17
and
I'm
curious
to
know
whether
the
a-loc,
not
the
a-loft,
the
indigo,
is
still
renting
20-25
spaces
there.
And
if
so,
I'm
wondering
why
that
lot.
17
the
prices
are
not
increasing.
E
To
answer
the
first
part
of
your
question:
they
are
still
a
monthly
customer.
We
are
actually
seeing
that
there
is
some
availability
that
we're
working
through
on
a
waiting
list
for
that
lot
right
now.
So
let
me
pause
also
and
say
that
most
of
our
facilities
for
again
that
sort
of
24
7
monthly
parking
do
have
wait
lists
based
on
demand.
E
We
have
seen
that
quite
a
few
of
those
wait
lists
have
dropped
off.
You
know
the
customers
that
are
on
those
lists
are
no
longer
interested
in
parking
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
and
we've
also
found
curiously
not
as
much
in
the
parking
lots,
but
in
the
garages
in
particular
a
pretty
significant
reduction
in
the
amount
of
existing
customers
for
monthly
parking.
To
the
point
that
we
now
have.
E
Center
garage
and
about
50
the
last
time
I
looked
in
the
biltmore
avenue
garage
to
answer
your
question
about
why
we're
not
proposing
any
rate
changes
there
that
lot
and
if
you're
all,
are
not
familiar.
That
is
a
lot
that
we
operate
next
to
the
atm
t.
Building
on
o'henry
avenue,
10
of
the
spaces
in
that
lot
are
currently
hourly
parking
that
are
really
under
utilized,
so
we're
also
proposing
to
convert
those
to
permit
parking
which
should
increase
the
supply
of
apartment
parking
in
that
particular
location.
E
E
C
D
Thanks
this
is
stephen
lee
I
just
wanted
to
mention.
I
think
that
the
idea
of
the
options
for
people
that
have
monthly
spaces
in
the
decks
is
really
good.
D
Obviously,
downtown
residents
have
different
needs
than
downtown
workers,
and
it
definitely
seems
like
a
chance
for
potentially
some
increased
revenue,
because
you
may
have
more
spaces
to
sell
on
like
a
busy
weekend
event
when
you
don't
have
weekend
well
workers
downtown
not
having
access
to
those
spaces,
and
it
seems
like
with
new
systems
new
software,
that's
something
that
would
be
a
really
great
idea.
So
I'd
really
like
to
support
that
100
thanks.
G
You
know,
I
think
one
thing
that
would
be
helpful
for
us
is
if
we
could
see
some
sort
of
map
that
shows
what
we
have
now,
what
the
proposed
changes.
What
that
you
know
what
difference
that
makes,
and
you
know,
are
we
losing
hourly
spaces?
Are
we
you
know?
Are
we
gaining
more
monthly?
You
know
just
because
I
think
that
people
are
coming
from
different
places
and
whether
you're
trying
to
make
sure
they're
more
monthly
for
staff
and
residents
or
more
hourly
for
customers
is
just
a
balance
that
you
know.
G
I
know
you
guys
try
to
work
out
and
and
so
do
the
people
in
the
community.
So
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
just
to
have
a
more
comprehensive
understanding
of
what's
going
on
the
other.
I
had
two
other
questions.
One
is
actually
not
about
the
downtown
I
mean
we
have
talked
for
a
decade,
at
least
about
extending
parking
to
built
more
village
to
build
more
park.
I
mean
it
just
does
feel
every
time
we
have
a
conversation
about
laying
the
lash
to
the
cbd.
G
We
continue
to
disregard
the
fact
that
there
are
other
places
in
this
community
that
could
also
be
contributing
to
parking
and
transportation
and
all
of
these
other
costs,
and
when
you
consider
that
downtown
is
home
to
the
vast
majority.
You
know
the
biggest
concentration
of
our
small
local
businesses.
G
You
know
effort,
you
know
on
the
part
of
the
city
and
while
I
appreciate
all
the
work-
and
I
know
that
in
the
bigger
longer
term
picture
that
this
would
probably
be
okay,
it's,
this
is
a
really
I
mean
I'm
exhausted,
and
I
can't
imagine
you
know
I
mean
I
talk
to
people
who
are
still
crying
on
a
weekly
basis
about
what's
going
on.
One
thing
that
I
would
I
also
have
a
concern
about
is
just
more
barriers
to
locals
coming
to
downtown,
and
you
know:
can
you
have
more
hours
free?
G
Like
I
mean,
or
you
know,
a
dollar
a
dollar?
You
know
for
the
first
two
or
three
hours
so
that
people
could
come
and
have
lunch
come
and
have
dinner
come
and
go
to
a
movie
come
and
shop
a
little
bit
after
lunch
or
whatever
so
that
they
I'm
you
know
I'm.
I
know
I've
been
on
this
soapbox
forever,
but
I
just
feel
like
we.
G
We
have
all
these
people
in
greater
asheville
that
feel
like
downtown
is
for
tourists
and,
and
then
the
city
does
things
that
make
it
even
harder
for
people
to
participate.
And
I
don't
think
that's
your
intention,
but
I
think
that's
the
reality
and
that's
something
I'm
just
you
know
really
concerned
about.
A
H
Yep,
so
karen
probably
made
my
point,
the
same
point
I
was
going
to
make
you
know
parking
is
always
the
top
concern
from
from
downtown
businesses,
and
I
I
just
think
that
there's
going
to
be
a
negative,
it's
going
to
elicit
a
negative
response
to
see
to
see
a
rate
increase
and
karen's
right
that
you
know
on
the
heels
of
the
pandemic.
H
It
feels
even
more
that
we're
making
parking
even
harder
instead
of
easier,
and
I
also
wanted
to
agree
with
with
steven
lee's
point,
though
I
think
the
monthly
parking
options
are
interesting
like
I
like
that
idea
to
give
people
some
options
there.
H
So
I
would
be
supportive
of
that
and
then
lastly,
just
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
my
understanding
was
the
reason
the
on-street
parking
rate
was
higher
in
the
than
the
garage
was
in
the
hopes
of
getting
people
who
were
staying
longer
into
the
garage
and
off
the
street
by
you
know,
making
that
that
parking
a
little
bit
more
affordable
in
the
garage.
So
I'm
wondering
if
this
might
have
the
opposite
effect,
where
people
will
stay
in
on-street
parking
which
businesses
need
to
turn
over,
because
it's
cheaper
than
being
in
the
garage.
Now.
E
So
let
me
actually
start
with
the
on
street
part,
because
we
did
consider
that
so
that
is
definitely
possible
and
we,
we
know
at
a
very
high
level
that
whatever
these
changes
looks
like,
because
we're
talking
about
money
that
people
would
need
to
provide
to
the
city
for
a
service
that,
in
and
of
itself,
is
probably
going
to
affect
some
behavior
change
and
some
choice
change.
We
don't
really
know
what
that
will
look
like.
E
E
I
D
H
E
And
will
effectively
try
and
determine
if
they
can
remain
in
that
metered
space
without
receiving
a
citation
which
is
really
a
function
of.
How
often
are
we
able,
through
our
enforcement
staffing,
to
check
each
meter
in
a
given
area
or
throughout
the
entire
downtown
in
a
given
day,
so
that
that
is
a
strategy
that
we
hear
a.
I
I
E
E
E
One
thing
that
we're
aware
of,
though,
is
every
time
we
change
rates.
That
is
an
impact
that
everyone
who
will
choose
to
pay.
That
feels
the
other
option
that
we
have
which
we're
looking
at,
and
I
don't
know
that
we're
at
a
point
where
we're
ready
to
make
a
firm
recommendation
is
to
enforce
a
time
limit
on
the
meter
whether
or
not
it's
paid.
So
currently.
If
someone
parks
for
two
hours
and
pays
for
the
whole
two
hours,
they're,
okay,
they
don't
receive
a
citation
from
us.
I
E
If
someone
parks
at
a
meter
for
six
hours
and
our
primary
goal
is
to
have
that
be
short-term,
convenient
parking,
then
perhaps
we
could
do
a
little
bit
better
to
meet
our
goal.
The
other
reason
that
I
personally
like
that
option
is
if
someone
does
receive
a
ticket
for
staying
longer
than
a
posted
time
limit,
that's
a
penalty
or
a
citation
that
only
they
pay
based
on
a
specific
circumstance,
rather
than
a
rate
change
affecting
everyone
who
parks
at
a
meter.
Does
that
make
sense?
E
So
the
other
thing
that
we
looked
at
to
some
of
the
points
that
were
made
is:
why
are
we
proposing
two
dollars?
Why
isn't
it
just
a
dollar
every
hour,
because
we
are
an
enterprise
fund?
There
is
a
certain
amount
of
revenue
that
we
need
to
make
in
order
to
pay
operating
expenses
and
to
look
at
how
we
do.
F
E
Of
the
expansions
that
were
mentioned,
what
we
found
is
if
the
balance
of
those
hours
were
a
dollar
an
hour,
we're
likely
to
lose
revenue
anywhere
between
200
to
about
seven
or
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
Those
numbers
are
a
little
bit
more
flexible
than
I'd
like
just
because
we've
seen
some
pretty
drastic
swings
in
our
revenue
because
of
covid,
but
that's
the
that's.
E
We
know
that
there's
a
capital
outlay
cost
for
the
technology
and
then
there's
an
immediate
cost
for
the
staffing
that's
required
to
manage
the
technology
once
it
goes
into
the
ground,
and
we
don't
really.
We
wouldn't
really
be
in
a
position
to
into
your
example
karen
install
meters
in
biltmore
village
and
then
not
have
the
staff
available
to
manage
that
new
enhancement.
E
So
one
of
the
reasons
that
you
may
not
have
seen
some
of
those
expansions
on
on
certain
timelines
that
may
have
been
discussed
previously,
is
it
really
can
be
very
complex
for
us
to
plan
through
what
does
that
staffing
model
need
to
look
like?
What
does
the
technology
model
need
to
look
like
because
there's
a
basic
level
of
service
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
provide
on
day
one
once
we
do
something
new.
E
A
G
Yeah,
well
I
mean
it
sounds
like
there
also
may
be
some
system
problems,
because
you
know
I
understand
you
guys
are
this
enterprise
fund.
Yet
money
goes
out
right
that
from
parking
that
doesn't
necessarily
go
back
into
parking,
or
is
that
not
true?
But
the
other
thing
is
that
you
know
there's
a
difference
between
an
investment
and
an
expense
and-
and
it
seems
like
this
city,
you
know,
and
it
may
not
be
you,
you
know,
I'm
not
putting
this
on
you
garrett.
G
I
think
you've
got
enough
on
your
plate,
but
it
does
seem
like
there
should
be.
Not
quite
this
silo
thing
going
on
and
and
folks
should
be
looking
at
the
fact
that
over
time
you
make
the
investment
in
a
whole
lot
of
ways.
I
mean
that's
how
you
sold
it
to
the
cbd,
so
it
just
you
know
it
just
does
feel
like
downtown.
Just
is
gets
shaken
over
and
over,
like
a
piggy
bank
to
get
the
last
bit
out,
and
you
know-
and
I
know
that
that
last
year
revenues
were
down.
G
You
know
there
was
a
pandemic.
You
guys
opened
up
for
free,
you
know,
there's
gonna,
be
you
know,
everybody
has.
You
know
almost
everybody
unless
you're
a
grocery
store,
or
you
know,
medical
clinic
or
something
you
know,
we've
all
had
seen
our
numbers
go
down.
Most
of
us,
especially
when
you're
talking
in
small
businesses,
people
have
furloughed
laid
off
staff.
Taken
massive
pay
cuts
borrowed
money;
they
don't
know
that
they
can
afford
to
pay
back.
G
So
I
I
just
would
like
the
city
to
also
look
bigger
picture
and
and
outside
of
the
cbd
as
well,
and
and
how
are
we
going
to
you
know,
help
other
parts
of
the
community
contribute
to
the
things
that
we
need
and
it
sounds
like.
You
have
constraints
that
you
can't.
E
I
would
say
in
response
to
that
you're
right.
First
of
all,
so
everyone
knows
there
are
some
parking
funds
that
support
transit,
there's
a
few
other
things
that
are
supported
at
a
much
slower
level,
but
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
want
to
clarify
going
forward
and
it
for
us.
It
goes
back
to
the
rate.
E
We
know
that
we
do
want
to
go
into
other
areas
outside
of
downtown.
We
know
that
there's
a
certain
level
of
funding
we
need
to
put
into
the
infrastructure
we
have
downtown
to
keep
it
up
and
to
keep
it
being
a
place
that
people
do
come
and
want
to
engage
with
us
and
so
for
us.
You
know
that
that
revenue
piece
or
that
rate
change
piece,
that's
really
the
first
part,
and
so
that's
why
we're
proposing
what
we're
proposing
so
that
it
gives
us
a
framework
to
say
we're,
not
going
backwards.
E
G
You
know
it's
just
it's
just
a
dance
and,
and
I'm
and
again
it's
that
silo
question,
because
you
know
you
guys
are
trying
to
operate
all
this
parking,
but
the
city
benefits
in
all
kinds
of
ways
by
having
all
these
vibrant
businesses
and
these
customers
and
these
people
coming
in
and-
and
you
know-
and
I
guess
maybe
this-
you
know
this
isn't
a
question
for
this
this
group,
but
it
does
seem
like
the
benefits
that
the
city
gets
from
the
the
the
sort
of
bigger
circles
after
people
park.
G
A
And
garrett
and
ken
will
you
be
presenting
to
the
council
committee
a
map
and
documents
and
more
information
just
so,
this
group
is
aware,
and
others
from
the
public
that
might
be
interested
like.
Is
that
present?
Will
the
public
be
able
to
find
more
information
about
this
in
advance
of
that
finance
and
human
resources
committee
meeting
or
what's
the
best
way
for
people
to
continue
to
keep
up
with
the
process.
F
I'll
try
to
answer
that.
Dana
that
we
we
don't
have
karen's
idea
was
is
a
good
one,
but
we
don't
have
any
any
mapping
done
at
this
time
and
the
information
that
we
have
furnished.
We
have
been
working
closely
with
the
budget
team
as
far
as
the
staff
report,
because
that
it's
really
them
that's
presenting
it
we'll
be
there
to
answer
any
questions,
but
the
the
staff
report
itself
is
what
is
is
available.
As
far
as
I
know,
and
I
assume
that
I
assume
that
it
goes
out
in
advance.
A
Thank
you
and
I'll
make
sure
you
all,
as
well
as
the
downtown
commission,
receives
those
materials
and
before
we
move
on
just
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
broadly
about
this
group.
Does
anyone
else
have
questions
or
comments
to
share.
A
Okay,
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
and
good
discussion
and
you
all
you
know,
transportation
staff
is
here
to
to
hear
you
and
listen
and
councilwoman
turn.
Turner
is
here
as
the
downtown
commission's
council
liaison,
so
appreciate
you
all
getting
together,
and
I
know
that
that
oh
councilwoman
turner.
B
I
was
just
gonna
say,
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
individually
as
well.
I
know
a
lot
of
information
is
out
there.
I'm
actually
going
to
probably
try
and
do
a
little
rough
mapping
kind
of
assessment.
So
I
can.
A
And
I'll
just
add,
brian
moffitt,
chair
of
the
downtown
commission
and
councilwoman
turner,
did
want
this
group
to
get
together
to
be
able
to
provide
this
input.
So
thank
you
again.
A
A
We
provided
some
clarification
to
the
full
downtown
commission,
as
well
as
this
committee,
that
it
is
possible
for,
for
you
all,
to
work
together
in
some
format
informally,
and
we
want
to
continue
to
make
sure
that
that
you're,
aware
of
that
and
we've
been
referring
to
that
type
of
structure
as
a
working
group-
and
I
think
in
plain
language
that
means,
if
there's
not
a
quorum
of
the
downtown
commission,
which
is
six
people
you
you
all
as
community
members
as
volunteers,
are,
are
able
to
consider
and
work
on
items
that
may
be
brought
to
the
commission
that
the
commission
may
discuss
and
deliberate
on
you
all
are
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
different
opportunities
that
the
downtown
commission
works
in
the
community
and
with
the
private
sector
and
as
volunteers
and
as
citizens.
A
You
all
do
have
some
ability
to
think
about
that
on
your
own
and
consider
you
know
what
what
should
or
could
come
to
the
downtown
commission
for
public
discussion
and
deliberation.
So
I
just
want
to
offer
that-
and
this
group
staff
can't
commit
at
this
moment
to
convening
this
group
as
a
formal
subcommittee
monthly.
B
Ken
can
you
speak
to
the
process?
Doesn't
this
come
to
finance
committee
next
week
and
then
to
council?
Can
you
tell
me
those
dates.
F
Yes,
it's
scheduled
to
go
to
finance
committee
on
april
20th
and
then
I
believe
it
goes
to
council
on
may
11th.
A
D
D
That
I
know
has
always
been
a
major
funding
issue,
but
I
do
think
that,
if
we're
addressing
parking
and
transportation
issues
downtown
part
of
the
immediate
and
the
long-term
resolution
to
that
is
people
being
able
to
park
and
outlying
lots
and
being
able
to
have
dependable
shuttle
service
through
downtown,
especially
for
weekend
or
out
of
town
visitors,
but
even
even
more
so
for
residents
that
live
downtown
not
having
to
use
their
car
to
go
from
one
end
of
downtown
to
the
other.
So
that
might
be
an
interesting
future
topic.
A
I
would
just
offer
that
what
that
might
look
like
in
an
informal
working
group
format
is
that
folks
from
this
group
might
talk
with
other
com
possible
private
sector
community
partners
to
see
if
you
know
where
other
folks
in
the
community
are
at
and
then
be
able
to
bring
bring
something
for
discussion
to
the
full
downtown
commission.
Not
to
say
that
this
group
can't
convene
we're
convening
now
to
talk
about
a
very
important
item,
but
just
want
to
offer
that
as
well
or
for
some
context.
B
Are
you
guys
going
to
try
and
pick
a
chair
seems
like
you
need
a
chair,
I'm
sorry
I
had
to
leave.
I
took
this
other
job,
but
you
do
need
a
chair
and
I
chaired
it
for
three
years.
So
I'm
gonna
like
pick
one
of
you,
if
you
don't,
I
can't
I'm
kidding,
but
does
anybody
want
to
chair?
I
think
you're
gonna
be
a
chair,
because
what
I'm
sensing
here
with
these
I
saw
karen
raise
the
hand
I'm
gonna.
Take
that
literally
she
wants
to
chair.
B
I
think
what
I'm
seeing
here
is
with
these
working
groups.
Is
that
they're
really
convening
on
an
as
needed
basis,
they're
very
informal,
but
they
can
be
great
discussion
opportunities.
So
if
we
don't
have
a
chair,
I'm
a
little
concerned,
it
will
fall
by
the
wayside,
especially
things
like
stephen
lee
is
bringing
up
because,
as
the
I
will
point
out
as
the
american
rescue
plan,
as
we
learn
more,
there
are
transit
funds
coming
there
are
rescue
dollars
that
are
going
to
help
transit.
There
are
other
things
that
you
know.
B
I
don't
know
if
the
electric
shuttle
that
you
mentioned
evenly
or
the
shuttle
is
still
in
play
very
much-
was
part
of
the
teammate
process,
which
was
the
tourism
management
investment
planning
and
it
could
resurface.
So
I
think
you
all
should
keep
talking
is
my
point,
so
I
would
hate
for
this
meeting
to
leave
without
somebody
that's
going
to
kind
of
hold
those
reins.
G
Well,
I
would
I
mean
I
I
don't
mind
trying
to
coordinate
it
for
a
while,
I'm
hoping
desperately
to
get
to
spend
more
time,
not
in
asheville.
So
so
that
would
be.
You
know
an
issue,
but
I'm
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
try
to
at
least
gather
everybody's
information
and
find
out
what
people's
interests
are.
I
dana,
I
don't
know
if
I
have
an
updated
list,
the
one
on
the
google
drive
doesn't
have.
G
I
don't,
has
everybody's
contact
information,
but
you
know
I
don't
mind
being
the
at
least
the
first
person
up
to
try
to
figure
out
where
we
go
from
here,
because
I
know
you
know,
sage
is
out
and
dana's
got
tons
on
her
plate.
So
if
somebody
could
get
me
a
list,
I
can
at
least
reach
out
to
folks
and
try
to
figure
out
how
to
move
forward.
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna
connect
everybody
that's
on
here,
I'm
gonna
do
it
while
we're
on
the
phone,
because
I
don't
want
to
miss
anybody
or
on
the
call,
I'm
gonna
do
it
right
now.
We've
got
karen
megan.
I
can't
see
you
all.
This
tiny
screen
thing
is
really
hard,
but
megan.
I
see
steven
lee
ruth
karen.
I've
got
six
others.
A
Jane
anders
anderson
couldn't
make
it
today
because
she
has
a
job
fair.
Okay,
also,
the
downtown
commission
at
their
may
meeting
is
going
to
look
at
their
amended
rules
of
procedure
which
I
sent
out,
which
does
formally
recognize
the
role
of
a
working
group
versus
a
subcommittee.
A
A
B
I
I
I
did
want
to
share
one
thing:
we're
starting
to
make
plans
for
next
fiscal
year's
focus,
and
one
thing
that's
on
the
docket
is
to
do
an
audit
of
the
downtown
pedestrian
signage.
We've
been
getting
requests,
which
probably
many
of
you
have
been
involved
in
or
heard
about
for
expanding.
You
know
signage
north
of
240
and
certainly
down
to
south
slope,
and
so
that's
that's
definitely
going
to
be.
I
B
Yeah
and
I'm
just
noticing,
as
I
go
to
share
this
public
parking
and
transportation
subcommittee-
folder,
I'm
actually
the
owner,
so
I
may
need
to
just
dana
when
I
send
it
to
you,
you
may
need
to
pull
it
into
a
staff
ownership
or
something
and
copy
and
paste
or
start
a
new
folder.
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
I
personally
say
turner
on
this
whole
folder.
So
that's
probably
not
great.