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From YouTube: Design Review Committee – March 23, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Design Review Committee.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/design-review-committee/
Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://publicinput.com/X0764
A
B
I
am
Robin
Raines
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
March
23rd
2023
informal
design
review
committee
I
mean
M.
This
is
a
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
three
designated
design
review
areas,
the
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
District.
The
mandatory
review
voluntary
compliance
process
with
one
exception
and
that's
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
Council
review
hotels,
taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
committee.
B
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hug
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
You
can
also
watch
the
meeting
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel
either
live
or
recorded.
I
will
now
take
roll
call,
Jeremy
Goldstein.
B
D
B
Brian
Moffett
I'm
here,
oh
okay,
hello,
Ricardo,
cejo
and
we
have
a
new
member
Michael
McDonough.
Is
he
with
us
today.
E
E
All
right,
so
it's
that's
a
roll
call
great
great
thanks,
Robin,
so
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
maybe
get
it
started
a
little
bit
here.
E
So
this
is
a
special
meeting
that
we
called
for
the
informal
review
of
project
aspire,
which
is
a
fairly
large
proposed
development,
downtown
on
three
properties:
the
First
Baptist,
basically
adjacent
to
the
First
Baptist
Church.
We
developed
the
YMCA
and
the
State
Employee
Credit
Union
Bank
in
two
different
phases,
and
just
to
kind
of
give
an
overall
view
of
how
the
review
process
is
going
to
work
here
essentially,
and
we
have
Michael
on
the
line
now
welcome
Michael.
E
E
The
final
review,
probably
in
two
different
building
phases-
maybe
in
a
you
know
as
appropriate
to
their
timeline,
maybe
in
a
year
or
two
following
their
entitlement
process,
so
kind
of
the
plans
in
review
that
will
be
happening
at
this
conceptual
phase
will
be
less
detailed
than
we
typically
see,
and
then
that
final
detail
will
happen
at
ladder
phases.
E
This
conceptual
review
will
come
back
to
the
DRC
for
a
formal
review
at
some
point,
it'll
go
through
Planning
and
Zoning,
commission
and
city
council,
which
is
the
irregular
conditional
zoning
on
their
return
to
the
rebuke.
Their
final
rounds
of
project
review
they'll
go
through
the
designer
view
committee.
E
They
will
have
to
get
mandatory
compliance
with
the
DRC,
just
like
a
hotel
project
would
typically
and
as
long
as
they
can
do
that,
and
they
can
demonstrate
that
their
building
needs.
The
conditional
zoning
through
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
site
plan
review
process
they
would
not
have
to
return
to
city
council.
So
that's
kind
of
how
this
is
working.
E
It's
one
of
the
we've
done
this
maybe
once
before,
and
it's
somewhat
similar
capacity,
but
it's
kind
of
a
newer
way
of
project
review
that
we're
trying
for
this
project
due
to
the
size
and
the
complexity
of
it,
and
it
could
be
something
that's
you
know,
we've
seen
more
in
the
future,
going
forward
for
certain
types
of
development,
but
that's
kind
of
it.
For
me,
this
informal
review
will
be
just
a
conversation
between
the
development
team
and
the
committee
to
get
some
general
feedback
comments.
E
Discussion
about
the
proposed
project
from
design
and
I
would
just
like
to
hand
it
over
to
them
to
introduce
themselves
I
know.
We
also
have
a
couple
of
guests
from
I.
Think
the
YMCA
joining
us
I,
don't
know
if
they
want
to
given
introductions
and
then
we
just
have
planning
staff
they're,
just
listening
along
as
well,
but
I
will
hand
it
over
to
the
project
team
to
get
introductions
and
allow
them
to
kind
of
kind
of
take
it
away.
F
Thank
you
will
for
that
that
introduction,
I'm,
Robert
poppleton
I,
am
development
manager
for
the
development
team,
which
is
the
Furman
company,
we're
based
in
Greenville
South
Carolina,
but
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
Asheville
in
the
last
couple
of
years
and
yeah.
So
I'm
I'm
grateful
for
everyone
to
to
adjust
their
calendars
to
to
make
a
room
for
an
informal
meeting.
We
really
are
interested
in
getting
your
feedback,
especially
given
the
the
just
the
scale
of
this
project
in
in
our
process.
F
G
F
We
do
have
representation
from
both
the
Y
and
the
church
on
this
call,
I
mean
they're,
welcome
to
jump
in
and
if
they
want
to
to
add
anything
but
I
we'll
also
have
our
design
represented
from
our
design
teams
and
in
reacting
to
some
some
previous
feedback
received
from
staff
during
technical
review.
Earlier
this
month,
we
we
have
started
to
make
some
adjustments
to
our
plan
to
reflect
that
it's
still
very
much
in
in
draft
form,
but
some
of
what
we
are
prepared
to
share
with
you
today.
F
Some
of
it
is
new
material
that
is,
is
even
you
know.
Our
development
team
has
seen
for
the
first
time
this
week
and
so
we'll
be
unpacking
that
are
happy
to
unpack
some
of
that
with
you
today,
as
we
prepare
for
our
revise
and
resubmit
on
the
horizon
and
before
you
know,
it's
that
material
that
we
are
ready
to
share
includes
an
improved
site
plan
for
the
master
plan,
as
well
as
an
improved
3D
model
which
we
can
even
fly
through
to
assist.
F
I,
don't
know-
and
maybe
this
I'll
start
with
a
question
if
members
of
the
committee,
if
people
are
generally
familiar
with
our
conditional
zoning
application
because
we're
happy
to
provide
an
overview
on
that
or
we
can
jump
right
into
some
new
material
if
you're
already
familiar
with
with
that
application.
F
Fantastic,
no,
no
problem
at
all,
then
I
will,
at
this
point,
I
invite
Dave
Crabtree
from
our
team,
who
is
leading
our
design
effort
to
come
on
in
and
and
introduce
yourself
and
he'll
share
screen
and
help
navigate
some
of
our
material.
H
F
H
You
are
I'm,
missed
the
mute
button.
It
was
probably
the
greatest
thing
I've
ever
said,
but
like
most
Architects
I
can
continue
to
talk.
So
it's
okay.
We
can.
We
can
talk
right
through
it.
But
yes
thank
you
for
having
us
and
happy
to
share
more.
We
can
kind
of
again
my
name's
Dave
Crabtree
of
urban
designer
and
architect,
blessed
to
work
with
the
the
Furman
group
for
a
number
of
years
and
and
happy
to
kind
of
help.
Walk
you
guys
through
where
we're
currently
at
this
process
has
been.
H
You
know
like
multiple
years
in
the
working
starting
with
really
in-depth
Vision
sessions
with
you
know,
multi-day
kind
of
sessions
so
on
and
so
forth
and
many
many
days
of
follow-up.
So
that's
the
broader
context
without
getting
in
the
weeds
and
if
I
share
my
screen
here
and
share
entire
screen.
Yeah.
H
When
you
think
you
know
from
an
early
Inception
of
just
you
know,
investigative
site
studies
to
thinking
hey,
is
this
the
the
right
fit
for
everybody
to
then
setting
up
Vision
sessions
that
were
multi-sessions?
H
Because
then
you
also
imagine
there's
other
background
of
the
the
YMCA
doing
planning
and
you
know
just
programming
for
themselves
how
much
space
would
they
need
and
likewise
with
the
church,
how
what
do
their
future
look
like?
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
I'll
call
it
Community
engagement,
particularly
with
the
the
land
stakeholders,
but
also
with
the
surrounding
community
and
bringing
in
other
folks
in
a
more
casual
basis
to
kind
of
build
a
story
around
the
city
and
because
ultimately,
I
mean
you
guys
believe
in
this.
H
What
you
build
is
what
you
believe
right
in
projects,
something
that
Robert
and
I
believe
in
move
at
the
Speed
Of
Trust.
So
you
know
sometimes
things.
H
I
H
And
with
that
can
y'all
see,
my
screen
is
that
okay,
yep,
okay,
cool
I'll
go
through
this
pretty
quickly
and
just
kind
of
give
you
a
sense.
You
know
going
back
on
one
of
our
our
sort
of
I'll
call.
Grand
Vision
sessions
was
on
the
2021
and
went
through
many
activities
and
said
we
wanted
to
highlight
what
that
is
and
some
of
the
sort
of
listening
sessions,
and
we
had
you
know
a
pretty
large
group
of
folks
going
through
that
building
models,
sort
of
what
we
call
build.
H
Your
future
doing
exercises
like
the
day
in
the
life
and
sort
of
that
tells
the
story
of
who
might
come
to
this
site
from
you
know
all
walks
of
life
different
backgrounds,
the
affluent
all
the
way
down
to
the
unprivileged
in
in
the
homeless.
For
that
matter,
and
how
do
people
encounter
the
site
and
and
feel
welcome?
And
out
of
that
came?
H
You
know
real
time,
modeling
with
Workshop
groups,
real
time,
Tourette's
thinking
about
what
this
project
May
entail
and
really
powerful
things
as
y'all
have
experienced,
come
out
of
these
Vision
sessions,
the
idea
of
celebrating
people
in
the
Gathering,
what
we
call
livingstones
sense
of
beautiful
belonging
again,
creating
this
really
around
what
is
right
for
the
community
of
Asheville
serving
future
generations
and
the
broader
resiliency
and
you
know
creating
a
place
of
healing
thinking
about
sustainability,
but
also
how?
H
How
are
you
sort
of
adding
you
know
place
for
small
startup
businesses
and
the
broader
in
the
the
world
of
of
both
the
Y
and
the
church
ecumenical
benefit?
How
do
you
sort
of
put
this
in
the
I'll
call
it
the
middle
of
it
all
if
you
will
and
bring
people
into
it,
and
that
entailed
a
lot
of
listening
sessions
around
what
is
Asheville?
H
What
makes
it
this
sort
of
granular
scale
and
the
sort
of
I'll
call
it
beautiful
grit,
if
you
will,
the
topography,
the
access
to
Nature
and
craft
and
and
so
on,
and
so
forth,
and
again
I'm
speeding
through
this
just
to
be
respectful
to
your
time.
You're.
The
aware
of
the
site,
I'm
sure,
and
so
this
is
our
broader
sort
of
side
area,
Church
being
at
the
the
middle
of
this
guy.
H
Why
currently
here
you've
got
you
know:
Charlotte
College,
Central,
Oak
Woodfin
as
a
surrounding
streets,
and
you
know
again,
zoning
overviews
and
all
that
that
I
won't
go
in
depth
the
site
located
in
the
broader
context
of
the
mountains
as
a
background
really
360,
but
particularly
just.
I
I
can
I
can
I
can
good
dude.
I
H
I
That's
what
I
was
doing
control
L.
Something
is
not.
H
Yeah
I
can
also
zoom
in
where,
where
needed
again
the
site
and
gateways
and
approaches,
you
know
considering
again
a
lot
of
view
angles
towards
you
know
one
of
the
defining
features
of
the
church
being
the
Dome
and
that's
was
very
considered
throughout
all
ways
of
approach.
H
The
idea
of
what
we
call
the
mountain
in
the
valley
scaling,
larger
buildings
to
the
perimeter
outside
and
then
the
sort
of
Valley,
if
you
will
sort
of
framing
the
church
in
spiritual
space
in
in
the
middle,
the
site
is
zoned
for
265
foot
for
a
good
bit
of
the
site.
H
In
fact,
265
foot
comes
all
the
way
much
further
into
right
about
into
here
and
then
likewise
right
about
into
here
for
this
portion
of
the
site,
and
it
is
designed
as
this
darker
Blue
Zone
here-
is
a
hotel
District
which
we're
not
using
that
much
for
the
hotel.
But
that
is
part
of
the
zoning.
H
These
are
the
height
as
currently
zoned,
so
265
foot,
265
foot,
and
then
you
have
the
intermediate
Zone,
we're
not
proposing
to
use
that
and
we're
really
looking
at
the
totality
of
the
site
and
how
we
can
scale
down
to
the
church.
So
diagrammatically.
You
know
we're
really
in
our
higher
zones
here
at
the
blue,
the
more
intermediate
Zone
here
and
then
we've
created
sort
of
what
we
call
the
sort
of
sort
of
church,
the
Dome
height
Zone
here
and
then,
of
course,
we're
really
we're
not
building
anything
substantial.
H
H
We
did
our
knowing
the
scale
of
modern
development
and
the
size
of
parking
garage.
A
goal
of
granularity
was
very
important,
so
you
know
bringing
in
sort
of
Vias
and
Alleyways.
That
would
be
more
retail
activated.
H
Pedestrian
scale
is
the
intent
of
breaking
down
some
of
these
blocks
in
the
phasing,
for
example,
would
be
more
phase
one
hotel
and
YMCA
mixed
use
for
phase
one
and
as
phase
two
comes
on
board,
whether
that's
taken
down
as
one
phase
or
still
has
some
I'll
call
it
two,
a
two
B's
an
incremental
through
these
multiple
buildings,
most
of
our
parking
or
all
of
our
parking
other
than
Street
side
is
identified
more
in
structured
parking.
That's
then
screened
and
wrapped
with
other
program
along
with
Street
side
parking.
H
In
that
broader
master
plan,
looks
like
this
from
the
aerial
view.
Again
Church
the
phase
one
phase
two
Zone,
and
this
may
be
broken
down
into
multiple
sub
phase
of
phase
two
and
where
you
start
to
see
this
sort
of
interior
Vias,
that
would
be
more
retail,
focused,
very
intently.
Framing
the
the
Church
dome
along
different
areas,
even
making
you
know
very
specific
Urban
form
to
frame
the
Dome
from
a
distance.
H
You
know
shaping
the
buildings
if
you
will,
along
these
edges,
to
open
up
that
view,
Vista
back
towards
the
Dome
foreign
plan,
because
it
is
we're
really
looking
for
height
and
area
in
bulk.
What
we've
tried
to
do
is
accompany
it
with
like
kind
development.
So
you
know
around
the
sort
of
perimeter
of
the
Imaging
imagery.
That's
a
little
bit
more.
Generic
in
terms
of
massing
is
more
specific,
streetscape
and
other
sort
of
activation,
along
with
the
sort
of
massing
imagery.
F
And
I'll
just
make
a
quick
comment
to
add
to
this
I
mentioned
in
the
the
onset.
We'll
have
some
some
live
models
that
we're
going
to
share
with
you
that
reflects
some
of
the
changes
as
you're
reviewing
the
material
David's
presenting
one
of
those
changes
is
going
to
be
around
that
hotel
them.
Currently,
it
showed
a
mixed
use.
It
is
going
to
be
reflected
as
a
singular
use
in
the
hotel
use
and
will
not
have
the
what
is
orange
currently
representing.
What
residential
will
not
be
part
of
that
building.
F
You're
also
going
to
see
more
development
along
and
I.
Think
it's
probably
about
to
get
to
this,
but
yeah
exactly
on
where
his
cursor
is
the
retail
Frontage
along
Charlotte.
Activating
the
Charlotte
Street
Frontage
was
something
that
we've
heard
in
this
process
as
being
very
important.
So
we
we're
in
we're
salt.
We
have
solved
for
a
more
significant
commercial
presence
there.
Why.
F
We
are
farther
along
in
conversations
with
a
actual
hoteler
Prospect
partner,
and
so
it
just
makes
more
sense
kind
of
Market
driven
they're.
There
are
going
to
be
other
areas
that
we
have
focused
residential
and
that
are
we're
currently
exploring.
But
you
know
basically,
a
market
drove
could
reducing
to
a
singular
use
for
that
building
again.
H
Correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong
Robert
is
we
don't
expect
to
be
losing
residential
units
overall,
because
that
it?
It
is
one
of
the
key
sort
of
markets
that
is
sort
of
making
this
a
sustainable
development.
So
it's
not
as
if
residential
is
going
away
versus
shifting
to
other
portions
of.
H
We
do
really
recognize
the
affordability
components
as
well,
and
with
that
you
know
again
just
back
to
some
of
the
sort
of
views
you
know
coming
from
along
oak
wood,
Fin
and
you
know
seeing
the
Dome
off
in
the
distance,
seeing
the
buildings
sort
of
scaling
down
the
massings
are
intended
to
reflect
what
maybe
we
we
do
and
we've
been
very
transparent,
we're
meeting,
The,
Pedestrian
scales
and
breaking
down
of
the
streetscape
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
H
You
know
final
design
may
have
some
variations
of
these,
but
would
be
you
know
around
these
sort
of
intents
again,
looking
at
phase
one
where
the
sort
of
hotel
to
the
right
Church
dome
to
the
left
back
away,
standing
at
the
sort
of
front
of
one
of
the
current
sort
of
church
drop-off
areas
along
Oak,
Woodfin
and
then
looking
back
when
you
start
to
imagine
what
we've
called
when
we
will
rename
Fellowship
way.
H
You
know
that
is
really
intended
to
be
more
of
a
festival.
You
know
sort
of
Street
zero,
curb
line.
You
know
streetscaping
decorative
lighting
things
like
that.
So
when
you
and
that's
easy,
sometimes
for
us,
that's
design
team
to
imagine
all
the
things
that
may
be,
you
guys
are
also
creative.
Folks
again,
that's
where
some
of
our
supplemental
imagery
is
hoping
to
supplement
the
vision,
activating
Corners,
you
know
defining
how
we
design
the
corners.
You
know,
that's
all
those
are
critical
pieces
that
are
coming
to
light.
H
This
is
the
sort
of
Street
section.
That's
at
the
between
the
church.
It
was
very
critical.
We
maintained
a
sort
of
90
to
100,
foot
plus
or
minus
between
us
and
the
church,
and
that
was
for
their
comfort.
You
know
that
they
they
do
like
the
nature
of
being
Urban,
but
also
realizing.
They
have
folks
that
you
know
elderly
folks
that
need
to
have
some
proximity
of
parking
next
door.
H
You
know
at
the
drops
off
zones
and
things
like
that.
However,
we
have,
in
these
imagery
Stripped
Away
a
lot
of
the
streetscape
just
so
you
could
see
the
street
section.
You
would
imagine
this
and
we'll
show
this
later
in
our
civil
plans,
where
you
start
to
layer
in
more
of
the
benches
Street
trees,
Street
lighting,
so
on
and
so
forth.
H
This
is
the
internal
via
and
and
Master
Plan
wise.
Let
me
just
give
me
one
second,
I
will
I
will
relocate
you
just
to
understand
this
view
is
sitting
here.
Looking
up
this
sort
of
sloping
street,
we
have
about
40
foot
of
grade
between
over
here
to
the
left
to
over
here
to
the
right
really
from
Central
up
to
here.
So
when
we
go
back
to
the
sloping
Street
in
context,
you
understand
kind
of
where
you
are
we
imagine
this.
H
It
is
while
it
looks
narrow
it's
not
as
narrow
as
Wall
Street.
This
is
a
70
foot
or
so
Section
Street
section
and
again,
you
know
sort
of
imagining
retail
coming
in
and
more
walkability
sidewalk
dining
things
like
that
happening.
Also,
indicative
of
the
sort
of
imagery
that.
I
We're
showing,
on
the
the
right
hand,
side
and
again
I'll
kind
of
make
some
attempts
to
zoom
in
and
apologize
for,
the.
H
Not
being
full
screen,
but
you
know
this
might
be
a
street,
that's
better
for
pavers
and
such
a
slow
Street.
We
do
imagine
cars
being
integrated.
H
We've
discussed
whether
it
may
have
an
option
of
of
a
non-car
Zone
on
a
full-time
basis,
but
certainly
would
be
shut
down
at
certain
points
to
be
only
for
pedestrians.
But
at
this
point
it
is
an
integrated,
slow
street
with
both
vehicles
and
people
on
a
regular
basis,
and
we
feel
that
could
be
compatible
when
you
add
in
a
lot
of
streetscaping
elements
like
what's
seen
in
the
the
imagery
along
the
right,
you
find
that
again,
even
on
Wall
Street
right,
it's
it's
a
very
slow
street.
H
Cars
still
happen,
but
people
still
I
would
say
Enjoy
priority
there
at
the
footsteps
of
the
church
and
sort
of
the
the
drop-off
that
we
would
have
there
residential
kind
of
at
the
door.
If
you
will,
at
the
threshold
of
the
church,
is
sort
of
living
lifestyle
and
some
examples
of
what
that
may
feel
like.
We
imagine
this
to
be
more
of
open
Park
area
with
public
space,
accessible,
stepped
Lawns.
Outdoor
seating,
you
know,
could
be
movies
on
the
lawn
to
yoga
in
the
park
in
a
wide
variety
of
programming.
H
So
that
kind
of
brings
us
really
where
we
are
today.
Some
of
the
comments
we
heard
were:
what
does
the
in
terms
of
the
the
Landscaping
that
was
shown
in
our
luster
of
Master?
Plan
was
very
illustrative
if
you
will
so
what
we've
done
was
take
a
look
at
pedestrian
access,
defining
sidewalk,
Street
sections,
planting
and
planting
what
we
would
be
able
to
keep
what
might
need
to
be
replaced,
and
those
are
the
things
I
would
like
to
kind
of
pivot
to
and
share
with
you.
H
In
fact,
I
may
I
might
try
something
else.
I
Oh
my
God,
and
this
may
allow
us
to
kind
of
zoom
in
a
little
bit
more
fluidly.
H
So,
overall
I'll
kind
of
zoom
in
here
and
start
what
we
are
sort
of
looking
at
is
preserving
many
of
the
existing
trees.
H
We'll
show
you
an
exhibit,
but
the
streetscaping
we've
imagined,
what's
in
noted
in
purple,
to
be
a
little
bit
more
streetscaped
paver
zero
curve,
Festival
Street
kind
of
vibe,
what's
showning
in
in
red,
is
the
expanded
sort
of
sidewalks
that
are
all
meeting
or
exceeding
the
10
foot
and
then
starting
to
note
tree
Wells
and
things
that
would
start
to
help
break
that
scale
down
along
these
aren't
going
to
be
public
streets.
These
will
be
internal
sort
of
Vias
or
internal
drives.
H
If
you
will
so
in
some
cases,
to
give
more
back
to
The
Pedestrian
scale
are
tree.
Spacing
in
some
areas
spreads
out
a
little
bit
more
in
the
phase
we
do
have
the
elongated
and
and
increased
Hotel
drop
off.
That
was
a
comment
that
came
up
underneath
what
we've
talked
about
with
the
hotels
is
sort
of
trash
and
sort
of
back
of
house.
Loading
does
happen,
underneath
the
building
so
starting
to
identify
where
some
of
those
things
may
happen.
September
Ingress
egress
with
some
of
the
comments
and
questions.
H
So
while
these
were
noted
on
our
master
plan
very
being
more
explicit
about
those
and
the
the
proximity
and
distances
meeting,
the
the
sort
of
dot
standards
required
along
Charlotte
Street,
for
example,
as
we
move
around
again,
defining
the
sort
of
sidewalks
blue
is
what's
also
where
we'd
have
more
public
benches.
H
Flexible,
lawn
space,
sidewalk
connections
coming
up
along
the
sort
of
mixed
use,
Office
Buildings
that
were
anticipated
for
retail
indoor,
outdoor
retail,
the
church
drop
off
and
sort
of
roundabout
Ingress
egress
to
the
parking
deck
and
also
Ingress
egress
to
the
parking
deck.
I.
Also
recall.
There's
you
know
that
30
to
40
feet,
depending
on
where
we
take
it.
There's
internal
ramping
that
if
you
came
in
here,
you're
able
to
sort
of
ramp
down
and
sort
of
come
out
here
and
likewise
ramp
up.
H
We
don't
have
and
do
not
want
any
Ingress
egress
to
the
parking
deck
here,
one
because
of
the
complexity
and
two
to
maintain
the
the
sort
of
pedestrian
feel.
H
As
I
noted
before,
we
are
very
intensely
trying
to
isolate
parking
to
in
terms
of
bulk
parking
in
these
two
zones
to
really
make
the
streets
more
of
a
of
an
urban
View
and
again,
you
know,
starting
to
note
sort
of
tree
Wells
and
blue
light,
bollards
and
blue
for
benches,
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
along
these
internal
Vias
and
then
similar
along
here.
We
do
imagine
this
to
be
much
more
of
a
textured
Paving
sort
of
I.
Don't
want
to
use.
H
Cobblestone
may
not
be
what
we
find
there,
but
the
sort
of
Festival
Street
section
would
be
also
anticipated
in
here.
I
A
H
A
F
H
These
guys
are
all
beyond
the
10
foot
and
in
most
cases
more
than
I
don't
have
the
cad
model
up,
and
our
civil
team
could
give
me
some
better
feedback.
They're.
Also
on
on
the
line,
am
I
correct
that
we're
closer
to
12
to
14
foot
on
some
of
those
or
am
I.
J
H
We
have
the
existing
trees
here,
central
yeah,
so
we
have
that
guy
here.
What
are
these
side
just
for
proximity
of?
What's
our
Dimension
there,
those
are
10
foot,
sidewalks,
10
foot,
and
then
these
guys
here.
J
Those
are
also
10
foot,
but
those
have
tree
Wells
placed
since
we
don't
have
room
for
landscaping
up
to
the
existing
curb.
F
E
H
K
H
This
anywhere
there
would
be
some
loading
and
need
service
needs
for
the
residential
building
there.
But,
ideally
you
know
we
would
be
encouraging
Community
programming,
retail,
small
retail,
to
you
know,
food
and
beverage
to
service
retail.
You
might
even
find
in
some
of
our
residential
developments
that
they're
kind
of
creating
sort
of
co-working
Clubhouse
type
Vibe
at
the
ground
floor.
You
know,
so
it's
it's
instead
of
the
amenities
always
being
up
at
the
penthouse
kind
of
vibe.
H
And
some
of
the
things
that
we
are
doing
that
you
know
I
know
we
are
very
familiar
and
supportive
of
the
sort
of
build
two
lines
but
because
of
you
know
we're
trying
to
give
a
good
Street
section
in
here
we
is
where
I
was
described
and
we
have
the
13
to
14
foot.
H
We
are
giving
a
26
foot
drive
here.
That's
those
for
fire
access,
that's
kind
of
pinched
the
site,
a
little
bit
where
initially
and
I
don't
know.
If,
if
we
could
find
a
way
to
get
it
to
work,
we
were
actually
looking.
Could
we
do
a
more
Narrow,
Street
section
here
not
to
basically
to
squeeze
the
drive
Lanes
down
and
give
more
back
to
the
collective
sidewalks?
H
So
that's
a
question.
I
want
a
parking
lot,
but
the
the
idea
again
is.
You
know
we're
trying
to
give
as
much
to
the
sidewalks
as
we
can
balancing
dimensional
stability
of
what
is
a
residential
building
need.
What
is
an
office
building
with
me
so
on
and
so
forth
and
as
big
as
the
site
is
it
actually
does
get
very
tight?
H
Believe
it
or
not,
some
of
those
sort
of
I'll
call
it.
Urban
relief
zones
is
like
the
corner,
plazas
and
that's
very
intensely
trying
to
pull
some
of
that
away
to
then
you
know,
give
people
some
visual,
so
you're,
not
just
seeing
the
the
sort
of
residential
building
on
the
corner
versus
getting
glimpses
of
the
office
and
Retail
just
beyond.
H
And
that
kind
of
happens
also
at
the
hotel
when
we
go
back
here,
you
know
we
sort
of
created
more
of
a
corner:
Plaza
Zone
there
as
well
defining
a
sort
of
corner
Plaza
Zone
here
around
the
YMCA
in
office
entry
office,
entry
being
here,
YMCA
entry
being
both
here
and
and
here
little
things
that
we're
doing
that
would
not
show
up
in
this
master
plan.
Is
there
is
a
through
connection
for
the
church?
H
H
Well,
a
couple
other
civil
can
chime
in
here
as
well.
I
just
want
to
give
you
guys
the
sort
of
root
of
things
you'll
start
to
see,
turning
radiuses
and
sort
of
pulling
zones,
and
all
that
you
know
for
greater
detail,
so
we're
trying
to
give
you
some
of
the
as
much
a
little
more
technical
just
to
give
you
a
sense
that
things
are
starting
to
to
work
and
how
we
anticipate
them
to
work.
I
You
guys
thank.
H
You
I'll
start
with
the
bad
part
and
go
good.
There
are
some
beautiful,
mature
trees
here,
but
once
we
start
to
pull
in
the
sidewalk
perimeter
and
also
start
to
build
out
the
the
liner
space
along
the
deck,
that
is
putting
a
lot
of
pressure
on
those
root
systems,
and
so
what
we're
looking
at
doing
here
is
creating
a
planting
zone
along
this
sort
of
perimeter.
Pull
the
sidewalk
to
the
buildings.
H
Have
a
planting
zone
have
tree
Wells
where
needed
for
Street
trees,
but
in
any
place
where
we
can
save
I
can
assure
you
you
know
we
are.
We
are
saving
as
many
trees
as
possible
in
part.
A
lot
of
this
is
goes
back
to
the
dimensional
stability
of
the
need
for
a
hotel
having
a
setback
from
the
parking
deck
for
light,
air
and
openness
fire
of
Life
Safety,
but
then
also
back
to
just
having
a
fair
buffer
to
the
church
and
the
scale
of
the
church
and
as
we're
scaling
from
all
down.
H
H
New
cyan
ding
new
meeting
your
street
standards
and
then
the
green
being
more
on
on
our
our.
I
Site
and
and
being
for
internal
drives.
H
But
with
that
I
do
want
to
turn
this
over
to
civil
and
I.
I've
did
I
miss
anything
and
you
can
reshare
screen
or
share
anything
that
you
wanted
to
highlight.
H
I
was
just
trying
to
get
us
through
through
all
I,
think,
we've
got
through
all
of
our
material
and
we're
a
half
hour
in
or
a
little
more.
So
we
could
have
time
for
more
discussion
and
civil.
Do
you
have
anything
yeah.
J
No
Dave
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
of
explaining
our
plans.
The
only
thing
is
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
spend
a
little
more
time
on
sheets
two
through
four
just
they're
a
little
bit
more
blow
up
have
a
little
more
detail
about
the
area.
Some
Dimensions,
the
driveway,
spacing
oh
yeah.
Things
like.
H
I
My
idea-
and
this
is
this-
is
the
second:
she
rank
yeah,
so
you
go
for
it.
You
tell
me:
where
would
you
like.
J
Yeah,
so
just
I
know
that
there
was.
There
were
a
couple
of
comments
already
so
just
in
response
to
those
comments.
We've
gone
ahead
on
these
blow-up
sheets
and
we've
kind
of
shown
some
of
our
driveway
spacing
to
help
kind
of
Define,
where
we're
going
to
be
installing
these
driveways
and
I
did
also
see
a
question
on
here.
If
we
were
going
to
be
maintaining
as
many
of
the
trees
as
possible
on
Woodfin
and
Oak,
and
of
course
we
are
going
to
maintain
as
many
as
possible.
J
There
are
I
think
one
that
we
think
make
come
down
already
just
due
to
a
driveway
location,
but
we
were
going
to
do
all
weekend
to
maintain
all
of
those
trees.
The
proposed
sidewalk
along
that
area
is
intended
to
basically
be
from
the
existing
sidewalk
back.
So
that's
how
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
maintain
those
trees.
J
I
J
Yeah
and
then
you
can
see,
we've
kind
of
done.
A
little
artistic
feel
there
with
a
little
paver
area
there
to
the
north,
just
to
get
a
general
idea
of
what
we
think
might
this
area
might
look
like
and
then
there's
some
better
Dimensions
to
help
Define
the
site
a
little
bit
better
in
space
and.
I
F
Of
the
other
drivers
around
this
Festival
Street
is
the
con
the
ongoing
safety
and
consideration
for
those
for
the
child
care
traffic
that
occurs
there
daily,
in
addition
to
the
the
needs
of
church
circulation.
So
that's
why
you're
you're
seeing
some
of
these
drop-off
zones
as
well
as
smarter
designs
to
to
be
traffic
calming
throughout
that
that
space.
H
As
well,
we
did
do
angled
parking
or
adjusted
plan
from.
I
90
degree
to
angle
angled
parking
in
in
this
direction:
correct.
J
H
And
we,
we
know
also
recognize
that
it.
You
know
this
does
occur
in
the
city
in
a
few
other
locations,
where
you're
kind
of
mixing
pull
in
back
in
parking
and
well
not
back
in
parking.
I
But
pool
and
parking
with
traffic.
H
J
Yeah-
and
one
thing
that
Dave
didn't
talk
about
is
that
we
have
planned
in
here
is
underground
detention.
We
plan
on
doing
water
quality
with
infiltration
and
underground
right
now
ads.
Storm
Chambers
is
what
we're
planning
on
using,
but
we
have
separate
systems
for
both
phases
of
the
project
and
that's
how
we
plan
to
do
a
more
natural,
less
obtrusive,
water
quality
and
water.
Prop
retention,
yeah
good
point,
anything
bugger,
the
next
sheet,
yeah.
J
Sorry,
rather,
rather
than
just
having
above
ground,
trying
to
find
space
for
an
above
ground,
water
quality
or
water,
detention,
Pond
and
then
doing
water
quality
that
way
to
keep
it
underground
and
then
make
all
the
area
more
pedestrian
friendly,
rather
than
dedicate
any
area.
To
that,
that's
what
I
meant
yeah
I.
G
Got
it
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
something
about
that,
because
I
think
there's
a
real
opportunity
here
to
think
about
these
green
areas
and
and
even
the
way
we're
you
know
proposing
the
the
street
trees
is
like.
How
can
the
green
areas
are
Landscaping
be
more
than
just
the
icing
on
the
cake,
but
could
actually
be
used
as
infrastructure
I
mean.
Could
we
be
treating
some
of
the
storm
water
at
before
we
take
it
underground?
So
thinking
about.
L
G
About
that
at
grade,
and
then
also
green
roofs,
managing
a
lot
of
that
storm
water
before
it
even
hits
your
storm
water
system,
so
I
think
that
a
project
at
the
scale
has
a
chance
to
really
sort
of
change.
G
The
way
that
we
think
about
Urban,
Design
and
and
infill
development,
and
also
just
want
to
point
out
that
this
area
is
located
in
part
of
the
city
that
has
a
really
high
heat
vulnerability
and
so
thinking
about
Urban
heat
island
and
how
we
can
be
using
green
infrastructure,
greensmart
infrastructure
as
a
way
to
not
only
improve
the
storm
water
management,
but
the
larger
Community
benefit.
I
will.
F
Say
just
on
the
development
side
not
familiar
with
as
much
the
last
comment,
but
we'll
be
exploring
that
with
our
team,
but
we
are
familiar
with
a
lot
of
the
practices
in
storm
water
management
through
through
the
green
areas
and
applying
them
in
other
projects.
So
it's
certainly
something
we'll
emphasize
in
as
this
design
matures
so
I
think
you
can
be
looking
for
that
in
future,
future
iterations,
yeah
and.
G
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
more
thing
is
that
grade
that
doesn't
have
to
look
like
a
detention
Pond
or
a
more
Suburban
type
treatment.
You
won't
even
notice
that
it's
storm
water
managing
storm
water
and
it
will
look-
and
you
can
use
really
amazing
and
beautiful
materials,
and
so
just
taking
just
thinking
about
the
way
that
you're
thinking
through
the
design
of
these
other
spaces
and
your
buildings
and
The
Pedestrian
environment,
to
be
taking
that
same
level
of
design.
Thinking
to
these
green
areas,
yeah.
H
I
love
that
idea
we're
doing
that
on
a
handful
of
projects
right
now,
so
I
can
I'm
I'm
with
you
100.
You
want
to
join
the
design
team
yeah,
but
like
gabian
walls,
and
things
like
that
that
you
could
start
to
sort
of
create
I,
mean
transition
zones
and
and
cool
walks,
and
things
like
that
that
cross
over
different
plant
typologies
that
help
sort
of
filter
I
was
taking
some
notes
along
the
way.
G
Okay
assistant
you're
excited
about
that
I'm
going
to
add
one
more
thing.
Asheville
is
has
a
real
problem
with
storm
water.
We
have
a
lot
of
challenges.
We
we
don't
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
reduce
the
amount
of
water
that
is
hitting
our
existing
system.
That
you
know
is
deteriorating
over
time
needs
to
be
maintained.
G
Just
alleviating
the
pressure
on
that
system
is
something
that
our
community
is
going
to
benefit
from
in
terms
of
money
and
investment
and,
and
so
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
happening
here
and
because
it's
new
construction
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
you
can
do
up
front
to
help
save
money
down
the
road.
H
Yeah,
that's
a
good
point
well
and
then
also
slowing
it
down
so
more
impervious
surfaces
or
when
they
were
thinking
about
pavers.
You
know,
I
mean
or
like
you
were
mentioning
green
roofs
help
in
that
way.
Right
I
mean
they
they
kind
of
do
some
absorption
and
it's
not
all
just
collecting
on
a
roof
and
immediately
hitting
the
storm
system.
It
slows
the.
I
Volume
down
so
I
think
those
all
of
those
are
kind
of
in
line
with
where
you're,
where
you're
talking
about.
H
Actually,
this
I
know
back
to
the
question
earlier.
We
are
kind
of
showing
where
these
drives
do
kind
of
come
come
through
and
some
of.
F
Dave,
it
looks
like
we
got
one
question:
Michael
did
you
wanna.
D
Yeah
thanks
I'm
really
impressed
with
the
project
I.
Think
possibly
the
weakest
corner
is
the
corner
of
Charlotte
and
College
Street
Robert
mentioned
there
were
some
Evolutions
there
in
wrapping
some
Street
pedestrian
elements
in
front
of
the
structured
parking
there.
Do
you
have
any
images
other
than
yeah
3D
masses
of
what
that
is
evolving
towards
yeah.
H
That's
a
good
point,
so
let
me
give
you.
This
is
the
sort
of
broader
sort
of
model.
If
you
will
and
then
let
me
with
the
at
the
risk
of
just
we
put,
did
a
kind
of
basic
height
exhibit,
so
you
can
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
where
we're
at.
But
let's
see
here
conceptual.
I
Massing
view
and
again
hopefully
we
don't
break
the
internet
here:
I'll
click,
click
on
a
view
and
and
everything
crashes
or
maybe
we'll
stay
functional
here.
H
I'm
gonna
I'm
not
gonna,
move
for
a
second,
because,
okay
cool,
let
the
computer
do
what
it
needs
to
do
here.
I
D
Well,
maybe,
while
you're
looking
for
that
I'll
add
another
comment,
I
think-
and
this
is
maybe
for
staff.
The
intersection
of
college
and
Charlotte
Street
is
horrible.
D
It's
a
Suburban
intersection
and
and
our
wonderful
downtown
fabric
disintegrates
quickly
when,
when
you
get
close
to
that
intersection,
it's
too
wide
too
broad
too
many
lanes
and
that
and
that
southbound
turn
lane
that
kind
of
bites
into
your
site.
There
is
is
kind
of
a
Suburban
gesture.
D
Is
there
an
opportunity
for
this
city
to
kind
of
explore,
tightening
up
that
intersection
and
I
was
involved
in
the
review,
the
hotel
across
the
street
to
the
South
and
I
thought
they
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
pushing
up
to
the
corner
there
to
the
opposite
corner
of
Charlotte
college
right
here
yeah
they
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
pinching
that
intersection
as
well
as
they
could
and.
K
D
You're
stuck
reacting
with
an
urban
form
to
a
Suburban
intersection
right,
so
I
would
encourage
staff
if
you're
involved
to
see
what
we
can
do
about
remaking,
that
intersection
I'm,
counting
six
Lanes
coming
south
from
the
interstate
becoming
seven
Lanes
with
that
right
turn,
which
I
guess.
If
we
can
urbanize
that
right,
travel,
Lane,
I,
don't
know
it
seems
like
there's
a
misopportunity
to
to
kind
of
like
reconfigure
that
street,
while
we're
at
it
yeah.
H
You're,
bringing
a
concern
of
ours
up
is
because
look
we're
urbanists
and
we
believe
in
the
the
sort
of
Human
Experience,
and
we
are
all
in
on
adding
the
liner
space
and
all
that.
But
our
concern
overall
is
the
speed
of
the
traffic
there
and
whatever
we
build,
we
can
we'll
do
everything
we
can,
but
without
some
other
traffic
calming
and
and
things
beyond
our
control
and
I
know.
This
is
multiple
layers
of
government
agencies
on
this,
particularly
here,
your
point
is
well
noted.
We've
had
a
lot
of
those
conversations.
I
On
you
know
on
this,
this
street
section.
D
I
see
a
comment
from
it:
fadilla
is
there
opportunity,
within
City
staff,
to
explore
that
if
they're
Stoppers
I.
L
Just
wanted
to
lose
a
crown
I'm,
the
transportation
planning
manager
and
we're
also
very
concerned
about
that
corner.
It
is
a
stained.
Road
is
the
problem,
but
we
just
heard
about
this
project
last
week
and
would
like
the
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
this.
We're
very
concerned
about
bike
facilities
which
are
non-existent
in
this
area
right
now,
and
the
amount
of
cars
heading
from
Charlotte,
Street
down
college
and
onto
Oak,
Street
and
Woodfin
are
all
areas
that
we
need
to
fortify
our
bike
infrastructure.
L
So
we.
L
D
H
It's
not
allowed
based
on
straight
stance
on
State
Standards
ends
of
things.
We
are
looking
at
right
in
here
and
right
out
only
you
know,
but
this
portion
here
because
of
this,
the
proximity
and
and
the
curve
it
was
not
allowed.
We
do
while.
F
We've
had
we've
had
some
interface
already
today
with
ncdot,
where
we
explored
some
of
those
conversations,
Mike
and-
and
you
know,
we're
very
much
in
favor-
of
improving
safety
along
this
area
and
if
it
can,
if
we
can
support
bike,
improve
bike
infrastructure,
cycling
infrastructure
that
would
be
a
big
win
for
the
community.
F
I
see
that,
but
also
for
the
project
regarding
connectivity,
I
will
mention
something:
that's
not
part
of
our
master
plan
area,
but
that
will
be
part
of
our
Exploration
with
the
church
in
the
as
as
partner
in
this
project
is
in
plan
North,
establishing
just
on
the
north
side
of
the
church.
There
there's
some
existing
throughway
for
we
think
that
could
be
activated
for
pedestrian
traffic.
At
the
very
least.
F
This
doesn't
show
up
in
this
map
or
in
this
site
plan,
but
there
are
some
some
opportunities
that,
at
least
in
the
interim,
we
can
improve
connectivity
for
pedestrian
traffic
into
downtown
through
the
project,
and
so
those
things
aren't
given
yet
in
this
project.
But
certainly
you
know
we're
all
for
improving
infrastructure
throughout
the
area,
especially
along
Charlotte
Street.
H
Right-
and
we
do
imagine-
you
know,
for
example,
while
we
haven't
shown
building
being
here-
that
you
know,
depending
on
the
hotel
flag
and
connectivity
to
the
garage
that
you
know
there
would
be.
You
know
some
level
of
design
that
would
happen
here,
whether
it's
you
know
building
or
whether
it's
you
know
sort
of
relief
sort
of
public
Plaza
parkish
kind
of
vibe,
but
it
would
be
still
a
critical
design
element
here.
There
is
a
great
pretty
good
grade
change
here,
so
just
FYI
your.
H
If
my
memory
is
right,
we'll
call
this
14
foot
we'll
call
this
zero
foot,
we'll
call
this
eight
foot
somewhere
thereabouts
right.
This
here
is
about
I,
think
I'll.
Call
it
three!
So
just
to
get
you
a
sense
of
the
broader
kind
of
slopes
are
doing
this.
So
when
we're
coming
in
here,
any
of
this
loading
is
actually
happening,
subgrade
because
we're
holding
the
grade
down.
So,
if
you're
on
the
sidewalk
here
there,
you
would
be
at
an
upper
Zone
if
you
will
just
to
kind
of
create
some
context.
A
Yeah
I'm
I'm
really
excited
about
this
project
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
A
I'm
glad
we
just
talked
about
Charlotte
in
college,
but
I
also
want
to
draw
attention
to
Central
Avenue,
because
I
think
that's
really
your
gateway
to
your
most
residential
neighborhoods
I.
Think
that's
where
families
walk
when
there's
festivals,
downtown,
there's
tons
of
bikers
coming
in
that
way,
because
it's
a
local,
Street
and
I
think
you
know.
I,
like
you
talked
about
this
kind
of
pass-through
that
you
have
from
the
church
to
the
parking
lot
and
I.
A
Think
it'd
be
really
nice
to
see
that
on
that
building,
opening
up
so
that
pedestrians
could
access
and
see
I
think
from
a
design
standpoint,
but
also
just
from
a
business
standpoint
to
pull
them
into
the
project.
I
think
it'd
be
really
nice
to
see
some
stairs.
Maybe
an
opening
going
up
to
the
plaza.
H
Can
you
imagine
that
you're
all
familiar
with
the
oh?
What's
the
city?
Oh,
it's
City,
something
in
Washington
DC.
They
have
some
really
cool
pass-through
thresholds.
Where
they've
you
know
not
that
we
need
digital
screens
here,
it's
not
the
right
fit,
but
that
idea
is
celebrating
thresholds.
I
think
this
could
be
a
really
cool.
I
Sort
of
threat
celebrate
threshold
yeah.
A
And
that
street
could
really
use
some
activation
I.
Don't.
L
G
A
Lately
but
there's
a
lot
of
homeless
under
the
bridge
in
the
back
right
and
but
it's
but
it's
I
mean
it's
used
by
the
local
community.
Often
so
it'd
be
nice
to
activate
it
and
and
get
some
more
traffic
through
there.
Yeah.
H
A
lot
of
times
when
I
stay
in
town
I,
either
stay
here
or
over
on
the
other
side
of
town.
That's
a
little
more
neighborhood
Urban
Vibe,
but
I
like
these
little
spots
and
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
walking
through
and
there's
a
couple
little
cool
little
restaurants
and
groceries
up
here
that
are
kind
of
cool.
M
Yeah
I've
got
several
comments
so
piggyback
on
to
what
Michael
and
Christina
were
talking
about.
So
there's
there's
a
lot
going
on
with
this
project.
M
I
appreciate
kind
of
what
you're
doing
with
the
height
zones
and
the
way
you're
pulling
things
away
from
the
church
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
there's
kind
of
this,
some
of
the
interior
of
the
site
feels
walled
off
in
terms
of
the
massing,
and
so
you
know
trying
to
invite
people
in
and
through
these
buildings,
in
deeper
into
the
site,
is
going
to
be
pretty
important.
One
we've
already
talked
about
you
know,
Charlotte,
Street
activation
and
bringing
and
activating
that
pedestrian
area.
M
I
know
you've
got
to
put
the
parking
somewhere,
but
you
know
you're
kind
of
with
that
parking
right
now
for
the
Y
building,
and
you
know
up
for
the
for
the
hotel.
That's
kind
of
turning
that
we've
already
talked
about
that
corner.
I
kind
of
I
feel
like
you're,
going
to
need
something
on
that
corner
of
college
in
Charlotte
in
terms
of
maybe
it's
not
a
building,
but
it
needs
to
be
a
designed
element
that
this
is
a
gateway
for
for
to
the
city
for
a
lot
of
people.
M
M
F
That
the
the
hotel
conceptual
Hotel
program
that
we,
we
believe
will
will
land
on
this
site,
is
going
to
be
heavily
or
is
going
to
emphasize
in
a
big
way.
Food
and
Bev
an
experience
that
spills
out
onto
that
corner.
We
recognize
on
the
development
team
that
downtown
experience
doesn't
extend
here
currently
or
it's
limited
to
say
the
least,
but
it's
so
close.
F
It's
very
close
to
pack
Square,
it's
very
close
to
a
lot
of
the
best
offerings
that
downtown
has
to
offer
so
we're
looking
to
pull
that
into
the
site
through
the
hotel
in
the
hotel.
So
we
we
agree
and
getting
that
right
is
going
to
be
very
important
for
us.
F
We
we,
like
David,
is,
is
designing
as
we
speak,
that
this
showpiece,
with
the
hotel
I
think,
will
end
up
having
a
connectivity
piece
to
round
that
corner
to
to
the
the
rest
of
the
project.
Well,.
M
A
little
that
little
corner,
you
know
that
little
pedestrian
activation
piece
I
think
is
going
to
have
to
wrap
somehow
and
and
extend
up.
You
know
that
needs
to
be
a
showpiece
and
so
and
then
again
the
way,
I'm
thinking
about
this.
M
The
way
it's
been
masked
right
now
is
that
it
feels
a
lot
like
you
know:
you've
built
a
wall
around
the
site,
a
little
bit
monastery-like
and
you're
keeping
people
out
of
it,
and
so,
when
you're
designing
these
and
even
as
you're
cutting
things
through
try
to
bring
people,
you
know
the
the
city
on
into
the
site.
M
M
Is
that
she's
wanting
you
to
you
know
not
just
bring
people
beside
the
buildings
but
in
through
the
buildings
into
the
site
through
the
site
across
the
site
away,
so
I
I'll
just
make
that
kind
of
as
a
general
note
as
you're
as
you're
working
on
it
I
think
you've
already
done
some
of
that
with
it
and
I,
really
like
the
Big
Green
Piece
that
you've
got
and
the
way
you
kind
of
cut
that
one
building
away
so
that
you're
trying
to
keep
some
angles.
M
M
That's
a
nice
diagram,
though
Kudos
on
your
diagrams
one
thing
I'll
say,
is
that
I
feel
like
you
have
talked
about
the
church.
A
lot
and
you've
talked
about
I
mean
the
church
is,
is
is
wonderfully
bizarre
right.
It's
it's
a
it's
Ellington's!
M
You
know
it's
just
Ellington,
you
know,
so
he
has
these
cascading
forms
he's
doing
a
lot
of
stuff,
but
there's
nothing
on
the
site
really
reacting
to
the
church
in
terms
of
design.
M
You
know,
you've
got
this
little
kind
of
drop-off
area
in
front
of
the
front
Portico
and
then
you've
got
an
off-center
thing.
I
I
know
what
this
is
early
I'm
just
saying
that
I
don't
think
the
the
buildings
are
necessarily
are
starting
to
react
to
the
church,
but
they're
not
really
doing
that
and
they're,
not
capturing
I.
Think
you
should
lean
into
the
bizarreness
of
the
thing
you
know
and
I
mean
take
it
Forward
make
it
modern
make
it
make
it
current,
but
there's
a
lot
going
on
that.
M
Could
you
could
even
be
doing
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
what
you're
doing
in
your
site
plan
around
that
all
right?
Now
it
kind
of
feels
like
we
don't
want
to
touch
it,
and
so
we've
kind
of
pulled
away
from
it
a
little
bit
and
we've
brought
the
building
scaled
down,
but
that's
all
I've
really
heard
and
then
on
the
side.
It
just
looks
like
kind
of
a
you
know,
a
little
bit
of
a
check
box,
a
landscape
thing
which
I
know.
That's.
F
Should
probably
let
my
design
team
react
to
that,
but
here
I
am
I'm,
going
to
jump
in
the
I
think
that
yes,
even
though
we're
not
at
design
yet,
we
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
thinking
about
the
these
Concepts.
F
One
thing
we
haven't
emphasized
a
lot
yet,
but
is
a
big
part
of
phase
one
and
phase
one's
a
tight
site,
we're
trying
to
do
a
lot
with
phase
one
and
we
need
to
do
a
lot
with
phase
one,
but
the
YMCA
in
green,
that's
at
least
for
the
Charlotte
experience
The
Design
Concepts
that
are
in
our
development.
Currently,
that
is
going
to
be
highly
activated
and
attractive.
Building
that
really
pulls
in
the
the
passerby
right.
F
So
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
activation
through
the
the
functions
of
the.
Why
so
I
think
we
are
going
to
have
that
opportunity
to
pull
people
in
that
way
again?
The
tightness
of
phase
ones,
buildings
in
the
hotel
and
building
one
and
YMCA
are
going
to
be
limiting
we're
still
going
to
address
it
through
design
when
we
get
to
design,
but
now,
at
the
master
plan
scale
we
also
see
phase.
Two
has
a
huge
opportunity
to
accomplish
everything
you're
describing
in
Christina
too,
in
a
bigger
way.
F
We
have
a
bigger
canvas
there.
We
already
have
areas
that
are
going
to
be
reserved
for
these
buffer
zones
that
can
be
inviting
sources
for
the
project
so
yeah.
We
we're
going
to
get
into
a
lot
of
that
in
in
the
next
phases
of
design
and
I.
Think
you
know
just
to
emphasize
the
the
position
in
phase
one
that
the.
Why
will
help
solve
for
at
least
on
Charlotte
I
think
in
a
big
way,
while
we
provide
for
the
needs
of
the
church?
F
That's
where
you
get
some
of
these
otherwise
unconventional
layouts
for
that
the
festival,
Street
Street
c
here,
interior
Street,
and
it's
it's
because
we
need
to
preserve
the
daily
functions
of
the
church.
H
Address
the
I,
we
do
believe
in
what
you're
saying
here,
and
admittedly
we
are
very
I-
want
to
say
we're
being
specifically
generic
in
some
of
this,
because
we
haven't
designed
this
space
in
this
space,
and
you
know
these
spaces
we're
showing
you
what
we
know
is
the
technical
requirements
of
sidewalks
and
we've
stripped
a
lot
of
that
away,
but
it
is
very
intended
that
this
is
becomes
the
sort
of
Piazza
in
the
doorstep
of
of
the
church
in
sort
of
celebrating
the
space
between
the
sort
of
future
buildings
here
and
here,
and
that
sort
of
the
church
and
the
best
we
can
do
at
this
point
is
share
with
you
kind
of
you
know
some
of
the
example
imagery
of
what
we
anticipate.
H
You
know,
articulated
residential
being
across
the
way
or
outdoor
sort
of
you
know
the
types
of
things
that
we
would
imagine
being
there
is
it's
not
a
street
right.
It's
for
people
that
happens
to
have
cars,
or
you
know
it's
very
much
in
the
spirit
of
what
we're
you
know,
trying
to
break
down
through
our.
M
I'm,
just
reacting
to
you've
got
a
little
Green
Dot,
that's
slightly
off
center
from
the
Portico,
which
is
the
you
know,
a
significant
element.
It's
the
very
first
thing
on
the
the
National
Historic
register
application
and-
and
it's
like
it's
not
centered,
but
it's
not
off
center
enough
to
make
it
important.
M
It's
that
little
white
dot
in
the
middle
of
the
screen
right
here,
yeah
that
guy.
So
it's
that
kind
of
stuff.
That's
making
me
go
okay,
that's
a
placeholder
they're
going
to
do
something
make
it.
In
other
words,
you
know
it's!
It's
typical
design,
stuff
right!
You
know
if
you're
not
gonna,
have
it
line
up
with
anything
then
make
it
apparent
what
you
are
doing.
M
What
you're
reacting
to
you
know
make
make
the
tension
mean
something
yeah
yeah
that
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
I
I
know
you
guys
are-
are
still
working
on
that
I.
Don't
want
to
beat
that
drunk
too
much.
One
last
comment
and
I'll
quit
I'll
put
on
my
downtown
design.
Commission
hat
Catherine
was
nice
to
you.
You're
gonna
have
to
do
green
roofs.
M
H
Is
that
in
your
enough,
maybe
we
didn't
recognize.
M
It
no!
No!
No,
that's
not
a
you
know
when
you're
doing
a
CZ,
you're
you're
you're
asking
for
you
know
this
is
a
big
enough
building.
You're
asking
for
things,
and-
and
this
is
a
this-
is
a
huge
project
and
you
know
we're
actually
looking
at
even
incorporating
that
in
the
future
codes.
That's
a
discussion
that
we're
we're
having
right
now
between
different
different
parts
of
the
staff
I'm,
just
letting
you
know
that.
That's
that
that's
coming
and
go
ahead
and
start
designing
around.
It
are.
H
Y'all,
considering
like
a
lot
of
places
as
incentive
bonus
like
if
you
provide
you,
know
kind
of
it's
the
way,
you're
sort
of
framing
it
now,
if
I'm
hearing.
H
C
M
We're,
or
at
least
the
discussions
we've
had
is
you
know
this
is
part
of
our
will
be
part
of
the
storm
water
and
the
tree
canopy
and
there's
other
there's
other
pieces
to
it.
I
know
from
past
experience
that
a
green
roof's,
not
something
you
can
just
paint
on
the
roof.
After
the
fact,
you
got
a
design
around
it
from
the
beginning,
so
I'm
letting
you
know
that
there's
you
know
you
need
to
start
thinking
about
how
you
can
incorporate
some
green
roof.
M
Obviously
you
can't
do
it
everywhere
and
you
can't
do
it
even
in
all
the
roof
that
you're
doing,
because
you
need
somewhere
to
put
mechanical
equipment
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
go
ahead
and
start
thinking
about
how
you
can
incorporate
some
of
that.
We're
not
talking
about
necessarily
habitable
green
roofs.
F
I
want
I
think
it's
a
good
segue
to
a
subject.
I
really
want
to
take
advantage
of
his
Brain
Trust,
gathered
and
pool
a
lot
of
your
feedback
to
market
conditions.
Right
I
mean
so
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
project
needs
to
be
feasible.
We
need
we
are
trying
to
design
something
that
meets
Community
need
it
meets
a
lot
of
our
sustainable
objectives,
needs
Partners
goals,
but
also
can
be
absorbed
by
the
market,
and
so
that
brings
me
to
our
building
one.
F
Our
our
first
phase
has
the
elements
we've
reviewed
that
include
a
hotel
in
a
massing
form
that
we
I,
don't
think
is
going
to
change
too
much.
It's
definitely
not
getting
taller
than
what
we're
proposing,
and
then
we
have
the
YMCA.
This
very
important
Community
anchor
feature
it's
this
in
between
space,
that
we
are.
H
Right
he's
talking
about
everyone
knows
Hotel
here
the
church
I'll
just
put
a
c
is,
is
here
back,
this
is
Oak
and
Woodfin.
Here
this
is
what
we've
called
Fellowship
way
and
recognize
that
street
name
cannot
be
used,
but
the
internal
sort
of
Fellowship
way
and
then
the
YMCA
sort
of
anchoring
that.
C
I
At
that
so
standing
kind
of
right
at
the
sort
of
along
wood
fence.
Looking
back
that
direction,.
F
So,
just
just
what
I
wanted
to
to
comment
on
and
we
can
zoom
into
phase
one
Dave
for
the
sake
of.
I
F
Clarity,
we
have
been
it's
been
Our
intention
and
still
is
to
deliver
a
significant
office
building
that
in
as
part
of
this
mixed
use
phase
one
that
that
would
be
what's
seen
in
Blue
building
one.
We
are
also
having
been
through
some
heavy
recruitment
in
the
market,
we're
not
seeing
that,
especially
with
market
conditions.
The
way
they
are
we're
not
seeing
a
lot
enough
demand
to
justify
that
scale
of
office
delivery.
F
Here
we
have
more
in
phase
two,
so
we
still
think
it's
an
important
part
of
the
recipe,
but
may
not
be
as
strong
or
at
least
we're
preparing
for
assessing
the
market
to
see
how
we
can
pivot.
One
of
those
areas
is
in
multi-family,
so
we
have
we're
actively
assessing
the
market
for
the
right
fit
into
to
this.
It's
already
included
a
significant
amount
of
units
are
already
included
and
those
units
range
in
affordability
throughout
the
master
plan.
F
We
didn't
talk
a
lot
about
it,
but
phase
two
includes
more
than
100
units
of
light
tech.
What
we
think
is
going
to
end
up
being
a
lie:
Tech
project
as
well
as
market
rate,
as
well
as
Workforce
integrated
to
that
market
rate
product
most
likely
and
in
phase
one
again
assessing
the
market.
We
know
there's
a
need
for
housing
throughout
the
affordable
Spectrum,
including
market
rate
homes.
F
So
we
are
looking
at
building
one
currently
Dave
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
pivot
here
and
and
maybe
show
some
of
our
our
3D
modeling.
That
reflects
that.
F
So
we
have
what
could
still
working
within
the
height
zones
that
have
been
established
in
in
our
application
and
less
or
so
than
what
existing
zoning
allows.
We're
starting
to
show
a
few
different
concepts
of
what
multi-family
could
take
start,
take
shape
and
look
like
with
you
know:
there's
some
positive
sides
and
some
challenges
that
that
we're
dealing
with
from
a
buildability
side.
F
But
you
know
the
activation
along
Charlotte
I
think
increases.
But
you
know
Dave
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
and
then
really
interested
to
get
both
committee's
opinion,
and
you
know
staff,
if
you're
here
too.
H
Yeah
it
it
that
simple
version
is,
is
you
know
we
are
looking
at
opportunities
for
residential
to
become?
You
know
a
little
bit
more
wrapping
around
the
side?
If
you
will,
you
can
start
to
imagine
against
Charlotte
having
the
Gateway
and
having
a
little
bit
more
sort
of
activation,
both
at
the
higher
levels.
H
This
would
put
us
in
a
200
to
300
key
sort
of
situation.
I
mean
we
don't
imagine
that
we,
you
know
you
could
imagine
that
that
here's
we're
showing
a
roughly
maxing
out
what
the
145
foot
looks
like
this
is
136
to
that
occupied
level.
So
it's
slightly
below
yeah.
That
would
be
pretty
intensive
for
residential.
F
H
So
we're
trying
to
stay
even
below
what
you
know
again,
what's
allowed
to
be
here,
is
265
foot
up
to
this
line
right
so
like
your
current
265
foot
line
is
floats
right
about
in
here,
and
that's
our
mission
isn't
to
max
out
this
site
is,
is
not
the
goal?
It's
more
of
the
totality
of
porosity
I've
used
that
word
earlier.
Hearing
other
people
of
like
how
do
you
move
people
through
the
buildings?
You
know
creating
mid-block,
you
know
to
be
quite
Frank.
You
know
these
aren't.
These
are
very
small
Footprints.
H
This
is
13
000
square
foot.
It's
it's
hard!
You
know
we
can't
be
any
smaller
than
that
and
be
it's
that's
a
difficult
enough
footprint.
So
how
we're
trying
to
break
some
of
these
down.
These
Footprints
are
a
little
larger
for
residential,
but
when
you
go
back
to
being
an
office
footprint,
for
example,
this
guy
here
is
also
fairly
small,
we're
only
at
a
18
000
Square
footprint
for
these
guys.
So
that's
those
are
minimum
typical.
You
know
and
I
know
it's
Asheville,
so
things
are
more
granular
small
scale.
H
Part
of
the
reason
big
users
have
a
challenge.
Coming
to
Asheville
is
it's
hard
to
find
a
hundred
thousand
square
foot?
You
have
a
lot
of
2
000,
Square
foots
and
ten
thousand
square
foots,
maybe
on
the
bigger
side.
H
But
you
know
I
know
these
buildings
are
are
have
some
weight
to
them,
but
at
the
same
time
they
are
fair
on
the
industry
standard.
These
are
small
footprints.
E
G
I
appreciate
I,
like
the
porosity,
the
language
you're
using
and
I,
like
that.
The
buildings
are
broken
up
and
I
want
to
talk
about
all
the
spaces
in
between,
because
I
think
those
are
the
the
spaces
that
people
are
going
to
use
the
most
right,
even
though
they're
small
or
narrow
they're
the
spaces
that
have
such
the
potential
to
be
such
a
a
strong
part
of
this
of
this
property.
G
But
I
would
also
point
out
that
those
don't
just
have
those
this
special
narrow,
Urban
streets,
that
we
all
love,
don't
just
happen
by
accident,
and
they
can't
you.
So
you
probably
sounds,
like
you
already
thought
about
this
Asheville.
We
have
really
cold
Winters
and
wind
tunnels
and
just
thinking
about
what
the
the
buildings
will
create
and
then
how
do
we
still
create
something
that
pulls
people
through
and
and
don't
end
up
being
empty
or
dark
throughout
the
year?
G
Because
we
have
up
because
even
though
it
is
cold-
and
we
do
have
rough
Winters,
people
are
out
all
year
round
here
and
using
these
outdoor
spaces.
So
I
think
it's
programming,
what's
happening
at
the
ground
floor,
I
think
it's
lighting.
I
think
it's
materials
I
think
it's
all
of
the
the
richness
packed
into
these
really
small
spaces,
and
so
what
that
means
is
again
like
a
really
a
dedication
to
designing
those
spaces
and
not
just
letting
them
be
these
leftover
spaces
that
we
hope
people
will
come
and
move
through.
Yeah.
H
H
In
fact,
we
can
put
the
best
materials
and
we
can
put
all
of
the
urban
amenities
and
all
of
those
things,
but
if
they're
not
curated,
it's
the
programming,
you've
and
all
of
y'all
seen
this
you've
probably
seen
really
terrible
buildings
that
were
really
well
programmed
and
curated
that
were
great
amazing,
Urban
places
and
then
you've
seen
amazing
buildings
that
weren't
really
well
curated
and
they
weren't
as
rich
as
an
urban
environment.
So
I.
Obviously
we
want
both
is
our
our
goal.
And
so
we
hear
you.
G
G
Is
you
mentioned
the
church
or
the
YMCA
using
those
for
programming,
but
just
again,
like
I
know,
this
is
really
early,
but
starting
to
think
about
how
that
actually
happens
after
this
space
is,
if
it
is
this
flexible,
open
space
having
a
plan
or
or
buy-in
early
on,
or
something
to
make
sure
that
that
someone
is
in
charge
of
it
or
that
shared
or
that
there
is
a
commitment
to
that,
or
else
maybe
think
about
a
different
way
to
use
that
space
But.
G
Just
that
I've
worked
on
projects
that
then
nothing
happens,
and
then
they
fall
into
disrepair.
And
so
those
are
the
things
that
are
hard
because
they're,
not
physical
design,
right
we're
designing
it
for
something
we're
hoping
will
happen
and
so
trying
to
build
those
Partnerships
and
and
caretakers
in
a
way.
H
You
know
that
was
a
lot
of
discussion
in
the
the
good
news
is:
is
both
the
church
and
the
Y
are
very
active
in
community
planning,
right
and
I,
say:
community
engagement,
planning
activity
planning,
and
so
that
was
a
lot
of
discussion
in
our
vision
sessions.
So
our
our
our
anticipation
is
the
broader
stakeholder
group
and
I'm
not
trying
to
put
assign
the
church
in
the.
Why
only
to
doing
this,
but
that's
kind
of
been
the
conversation
of
what
you're
describing.
How
do
you
sort
of
program
and
bring
activity
to
these
spaces.
M
M
I
think
you
can
do
some
connections
there
on
different
levels
and
I.
Think
that
would
be
fun.
M
Yeah
Robert
regarding
your
question,
you
know
I
from
both
the
design
perspective
and
then
on
the
from
the
downtown
commission.
So
from
the
downtown
commission
perspective
we
would
be
super
excited
to
see
you
know
more
residential,
especially
residential,
coming
in
first,
you
know,
Jeremy
could
probably
speak
better
to
you
know
what
the
office
Market
is
here
in
downtown
Asheville,
but
you
know
finding
13
000
square
foot
users.
You
know
filling
that
thing
up
with
office
space.
M
That's
that's
a
lift,
whereas
residential
I
think
you
could
do
that
and
and
get
the
project
kick-started
and
and
just
as
a
just
as
a
downtown
user
I'm.
You
know
I'm
always
excited
to
see
a
residential
project
bringing
bringing
more
people
into
downtown.
So
I
like
that
and
then,
as
a
designer
you
know,
watching
you
wrap
more
of
the
building
around
and
over
the
parking
and
and
that
activated
that
that
corner
we
were
just
talking
about
at
College
in
Charlotte.
F
The
multi-family,
just
as
Brian,
was
talking
about
now,
I,
that's
our
general
assessment
too.
That
housing
would
be
well
received,
or
at
least
it's
needed,
especially
downtown,
so
very
interested
in
your
comments
on
that.
B
Anyway,
that's
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
say:
Brian
I,
really
like
the
addition
of
the
residential
and
that
phase,
one
I
think
wrapping
that
corner
wrapping
that
garage
activating
that
street
and
we
were
mentioning
before
how
that's
kind
of
a
dead
zone.
Nobody
walks
there,
but
one
way
to
make
sure
people
walk
there
live
there.
So
that
would
be
a
great
addition
to
phase
one
and
I
would
personally
like
to
see
more
housing
in
this
project
than
was
originally
shown
too.
I
I
Yeah
I
think
we
had
like
600
units
overall
Robert
is
that.
F
Kind
of
yeah
that
was
our
our
what
we
said
as
the
maximum
delivery
of
residential
and-
and
we
may
be
increasing
that
from
when
we
revise
and
resubmit
should
we
continue
to
head
in
this
direction.
H
H
M
I
All
right
and
that's.
H
Something
we
can
keep
that
conversation
going,
but
yeah
you
can
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
like
you
know,.
I
Where
you
see,
let's
see
here,
we
can
do
a
little
camera
One
camera
too.
H
Well,
you're
right
because
that
experience
here
too
of
coming
in
along
you
know,
you've
kind
of
it's
almost
jarring
a
little
bit
because
you're
coming
off
the
highway,
it's
you
know
hopefully
doing
60
miles
an
hour,
not
speeding
like
the
one
time.
H
I
got
the
ticket
not
too
long
ago,
but
it
it
does
immediately
slow
you
down,
and
then
things
like
this
would
help
visually
slow
you
down
from
a
greater
distance,
because
you
start
to
see
sort
of
cues
of
building,
and
you
know
sort
of
visual
I'll
call
it
visual
distractions
in
a
good
way.
H
Both
have
some
of
those
qualities.
But
you
know
to
your
point:
you
get
a
little
bit
more
of
that.
It
is
such
a
wide
Street
section.
You
know
that
that's
the
kind
of
vibe.
I
I
can
turn
on
context
in
this
guy
here
hold
on
a
second,
so
that
they're
both
a
little
bit
equal.
H
F
I
think
it's.
It
is
helpful
to
see
the
the
relationship
of
height
between
some
of
the
taller
masses
in
downtown
already.
F
What
else
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
everyone's
time,
but
also
this
has
been
really
productive
for
us
already.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
wanted
to
share
something
but
hasn't
been
able
to
you
know,
but
just
eager
to
get
your
feedback
and
in
the
in
the
last
few
minutes
we
we
have.
D
H
Yeah-
and
that
is
the
idea-
that's
what
we
feel
comfortable
but
having
you
know,
I've
worked,
and
we
agree
with
you.
We
understand.
Asheville
I
was
a
part
of
the
New
Belgium
project
that
hopefully
it
doesn't.
That
could
better
a
good
thing
or
a
bad
thing
years
ago,
as
a
part
of
a
different
firm
and
have
been
it.
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
Asheville
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
Black
Mountain
and
have
a
little
place
there.
H
So
we're
definitely
in
tune
with
with
that.
Just
wanted
to
point
out.
When
you
see
these
buildings,
they
do
look.
You
know
the
big,
but
when
you
put
them
in
a
scale
of
things,
a
typical
office
plate
looks
to
be
around
30
to
36
000
square
foot,
we're
not
trying
to
be
typical.
So
at
the
18
000
we're
sort
of
half,
if
you
will
of
where
a
more
traditional
office
flood
plate
would
be,
and
to
your
point,
that's
the
the
goal
is
to
attract
the
sort
of
Boutique.
H
We
use
the
word
granular
a
lot.
You
know,
because
that's
the
sort
of
it's
not
giant
oversized.
A
F
C
I
F
We're
looking
for
them
that
is
still
Our
intention,
we're
we
enjoy
the
knowing
that
we
still
will
have
great
opportunity
in
phase
two
if
it
doesn't
materialize
in
the
same
way
for
the
office
use
in
Phase
One.
So
we
think
it
can
be
part
of
a
good
Economic
Development.
F
F
Go
ahead,
David
and
then
maybe
we
give
it
back
to
will
just
text.
I
know
everyone's
professionals
on
this
and
I
think
our
schedule
is
still
too
okay.
E
Yeah,
we
are
a
technically
scheduled
so
too,
but
we
can
meet
for
as
long
as
we
want
will
not
kick
us
off
necessarily
I
know
in
the
past,
we've
kind
of
done
a
2
p.m.
Time
check
for
projects
to
allow
committee
members
to
get
back
for
their
day
jobs
so
if
they
need
to
to
drop
off
until,
like
their
comments,
have
been
heard,
an
address
and
they're
welcome
to
you
know
the
project
team
wants
to
stick
around
and
talk
through
some
more
details
with
other
remaining
committee
members,
I.
E
E
Okay,
are
there
any
other
questions
from
the
committee?
I
saw
one
from
from
Michael
earlier
asking
about
any
way
to
like
I'll
kind
of
paraphrase
commemorate
the
original
location,
the
side
of
the
Thomas
yeah.
Let.
E
And
some
of
these
things
might
come
at
later
phases.
You
know
this
is
very
high
level
type
review
kind
of
setting
the
building
envelopes
for
the
development
so
that,
when
it
comes
back
to
the
the
final
round,
at
some
point,
we'll
kind
of
know
the
the
box
within
which
these
buildings
can
be
built
and
then
trying
to
get
any.
E
You
know
technical
modifications
through
the
to
the
design
through
the
conditional
zoning
process,
so
that
if
there
are
parts
of
the
CD
and
code
and
other
parts
of
the
UV
of
the
project
can't
be,
we
know
what
those
are
ahead
of
time
and
adjust
accordingly.
So
that's
obviously
the
purview
of
where
we
will
be
in
the
next
few
months.
Reviewing
this
projects.
E
So
I
I
guess
you
know
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
planning,
Urban
Design
staff
on
the
line.
They
might
just
have
a
couple
ideas
and
questions
and
maybe
just
given
a
chance
to
ask
them
if
committee
members
need
to
leave
feel
free
to
drop
off.
If
you
want
to
hang
around-
maybe
maybe
some
stuff
that
you'll
be
interested
in
hearing
about
a
little
bit
more,
but
we'll
just
kind
of
take
advantage
of
the
time
that
we
have
together
since
we're
all
here.
E
So
any
staff
on
a
ask
any
questions
or
give
any
comments
over
on
the
line.
Now,
foreign.
K
Yeah
thanks
very
nice
presentation,
nice
models.
This
is
a
question
that
kind
of
was
brought
up
already,
but
Central
Avenue
is
a
key
Corridor
pedestrian
bike
Corridor
to
most
of
our
residential
neighborhoods
to
the
north.
So
just
curious:
how
are
you
treating
that
streetscape?
What
kind
of
sidewalk
widths
are
there
and
I
guess?
Just
a
general
comment
on
sidewalk
widths
in
general
10
feet
is
our
our
minimum
width,
but
especially
it
project
of
this
scale
would
be
nice
to
have
wider
sidewalks
on
the
on
the
public
streets.
K
Definitely
especially
when
they're
up
against
some
of
the
larger
buildings
to
have
a
narrow
sidewalk
like
that,
it
would
be
if
we
I
think
important
to
make
those
sidewalks
larger
yeah.
You.
H
Want
to
bring
me
back
to
my
one
of
our
questions
is
is
part
of
it
is,
is
the
build
to
line
so
where
we
were
going
back
to
these
buildings
are
supposed
to
be
built
to
the
property
line.
This
is
built
to
the
property
line,
which
then
leaves
us
with
a
10
foot
sidewalk.
If
we
can
move
it
back
a
couple
of
feet
and
not
be
to
a
build
two
line,
it
gets
into
one
of
our
sort
of
technical
modifications.
H
H
We
are
keeping
broader
wear
possible
and
that
it's
been
balancing
out
that
one
of
the
questions
we
had
and
I
kind
of
put
it
back
to
is
you
know
some
of
the
standards
is
a
26
foot
drive
for
some
interior
drives
for
fire
access?
Does
anybody
in
sight
on
the
flexibility
we
might
be
given
there,
because
if
we
could
be
at
a
more
narrow,
Street
section
here,
we
don't
need
26
foot
for
cars.
H
We
don't
want
26
foot
for
the
cars
in
here,
we're
giving
it
because
we
think
it's
a
technical
requirement,
but
that
would
give
us
you
know
we
were
looking
really.
Could
you
go
down
to
like
11
foot
drive
and
be
a
22
foot
sort
of
section,
because
again
this
isn't
about
cars.
It's
about
people,
we're
just
giving
the
option
for
cars
to
be
there.
K
Would
yeah
in
response
to
that?
I
can't
speak
to
the
fire
department
and
we
would
have
to
have
that
conversation
but
I
know
we've
been
pushing
for
actually
20
foot
wide
10
foot
Lanes
in
downtown
and
have
been
successful
to
really
slow
people
down
and
and
put
pedestrians
first,
so
I
think
that's
a
real
conversation
we
could
easily
have
because
we
have
done
it
within
the
city
and
other
places
and
the
build
twos
line.
You
know
we,
the
main
point
of
that
is
to
have
sidewalks
come
up
to
the.
K
Not
as
much
to
have
a
building
come
to,
the
property
line
is
to
have
that
pedestrian
realm
meet
the
building,
so
we
we
continually
allow
for
wider
sideways
walk
so
long.
They
come
up
to
the
building
to
look
at
that.
That
would
not
be
a
difficult
request
through
a
CZ
process.
If
you
had
wider
sidewalks
and
those
sidewalks
went
up
to
the
building.
In
fact,
that
would
be
preferred.
E
Yeah
I'd
confer
with
that
there's
some
language
in
the
UVO
that
says,
you
know
setbacks
up
to
20
feet
for
uses
in
the
district,
providing
Courtyard
or
Plaza
spaces,
which
somewhat
of
a
flexible
term
I
think
if
we're
envisioning,
outdoor
dining
uses
and
that
kind
of
thing
and
depending
on
the
design
and
so
I,
think
I
think
maybe
that
could
cover
it
in
some
ways.
E
But
the
fact
that
we
have
a
dimensional
zoning
process
that
we
can
take
advantage
of
and
that's
a
design
inside
the
staff
is
so
up
against
the
building.
I
think
that
all
can
work
together
pretty
well
and
definitely
having
a
wider
sidewalk.
Some
more
relief
along
that
right-of-way
for
that
really
tall
building
would
be
beneficial
right.
H
For
example,
one
of
our
requests
was
a
technical
modification
was
like
this
is
one
third
meeting
it
where
it
was
two-thirds
of
your
street
meeting
it
versus
this
is
like
one-third
and
then
allowing
setbacks.
So
we
specifically
did
that
so
that,
like
we
have
more
room
here
and
then
have
more
room
here,
for
example,
but
then
this
is
meeting
more
of
the
minimum
for
those
they're
just
some
to
kind
of
so
you're
asking
a
really
good
question
this
one.
H
We
were
more
intentional,
putting
it
directly
to
the
build
to
line,
because
back
to
this
is
a
these
Street
sections
along
Woodfin
and
Oak
are
not
are
broader
than
70
foot.
So
we
had
more
more
flexibility
where
this
one
is
doesn't
have
that
same
flexibility,
so
you
know
we
were
trying
to
show.
Well
here's
what
happens
if
you
put
that
you
know
based
on
the
way
we
might
have
been
misreading
the
code,
but
putting
it
to
the
build
to
line
and
then
giving
more
relief
at
the
corners
where
we
thought
you
know.
H
That
would
be
a
fair
ask,
but
you
could
start
to
imagine
you
know,
based
on
our
technical
modification
requests
of
only
one
third
of
this
kind
of
meeting
and
then
allowing
it
to
kind
of
relief,
more
or
whatever.
Those
would
be.
That
was
the
intent
anyways
of
that
request.
E
Yeah
and
I
think
what
I've
heard
from
committee
members,
maybe
at
this
meeting
and
then
from
staff
generally
two
is
thinking
about
how
that
tall
building
can
work
in
a
way
that
doesn't
Charlotte
Street,
there's
like
a
mixed-use
hotel
project
and
across
the
street
that
I
don't
know
if
you're
I
guess
your
design
incorporates.
That
looks
like
it.
I
Yeah
right,
it's
not
as
long!
If
you
will
it's.
E
The
same
account
so
then
it
kind
of
steps
down
to
Central,
where
this
your
project
would
be
more
of
a
statement
so
anyway,
trying
to
think
of
ways,
design
features,
materials
demonstration
to
to
minimize
those
kinds
of
visual
impacts.
It
doesn't
feel
you
know
like
I
can
in
any
way
along
along
Central,
would
go
a
long
way.
A
I
was
just
going
to
jump
in
quickly
and
say
what
it
feels
right
right
now
to
me
when
you
look
at
the
massing
and
the
street
is
a
lot
like
what
you
see
with
the
Staples
building
on
Merriman
and
I
think
anyone
from
Asheville
who's
experienced.
That
knows
how
I
think.
L
A
All
the
requirements,
but
it's
a
terrible
experience
for
that
street
and
this
is
a
much
small,
smaller
more
local
street.
So
it
would
be
great
to
see
that
activated.
I
H
Yeah
I
think
I'll
point
out
kind
of
while
it's
not
the
same.
You
know
our
massings
are
kind
of
being
somewhat
generic.
Well,
this
would
be
the
only
place.
We've
spent
some
time
giving
you
a
little
bit
more
illustrative
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
happens
when
you
start
to
break
down
the
scale
or
doing
what
we're
imagining.
This
is
not
a
final
design.
It's
not
the
design,
it's
just
an
urban
illustrative.
I
To
give
you
some
sense
of
we,
we
definitely
hear
where
you're
coming
from.
E
All
right
any
last
comments
or
questions
your
thoughts
to
share
today.
E
A
Guess
sorry,
yes,
one
more
comment.
I
do
just
want
to
say
that
what
you're
showing
there
at
the
Y
building
now
I
think
is
going
in
the
right
direction.
I
mean
you're,
showing
the
activation
of
the
street,
so
don't
mean
to
only
have
negative
comments,
but
I
think
what
you're
saying
and
the
fact
that
as
it
develops,
it
starts
to
get
that
street
activation
I
hope
to
see
that
on
Central
Avenue.
So
it's
exciting
to
see
that
you're
going
in
that
direction
on
the
buildings
that
are
further
developed.
H
Yeah
we
agree
and
it's
like
the
fine
line
of
how
much
massing
articulation.
Do
we
show
at
this
scale,
knowing
that
any
you
know
we,
these
individual
Architects
will
be
coming
in
as
well.
So
this
isn't
going
to
be
one
architect.
Does
all
these
buildings
so
we're?
You
know
that
sort
of
Gray
Zone
of
trying
to
show
a
height
and
bulking
area,
not
making
it
just
a
completely
dumb
box,
but
not
also
making
it
completely
over
articulated
that
may
not
ever
you
know
so
it's,
but
we
do
believe
in
what.
E
Great
great
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
members
for
taking
time
out
of
the
schedule
to
join
us
in
this
specially
scheduled
meeting.
If
you
all
have
any
you
know,
parting
thoughts
or
things
to
think
about
tonight,
while
cooking
dinner
or
something
you
can
feel
free
to
send
them
to
me
by
email
and
I
can
pour
them
along
to
the
design
team
as
well.