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B
A
Oh
sorry,
commissioner
hoke
is
absent.
Commissioner
simmons
here,
commissioner
faircloth.
C
D
A
So
we
have
six
out
of
our
seven
commissioners
present,
so
we
do
have
a
quorum.
We
are
expecting,
commissioner,
to
hoax
to
join
us
shortly.
B
Yes,
correct.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
for
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
december
1st
2021
meeting.
I
had
one
comment
on
those
and
that
it
had
it
lists
the
end
of
the
meeting
at
606,
which,
if
you
kind
of
look
at
all
the
notes
it
went
longer
than
that.
So
I
didn't
bother
to
add
up
the
time,
but
obviously
it
ended
later
than
606.
So
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
any
other
comments
or
additions
to
those
minutes.
D
B
Second,
I
will
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
levi.
E
D
B
Commissioner
bubenik
hi
and
commissioner
faircloth
aye,
and
I
will
vote
I
as
well.
That
motion
passes
six
two
one
or
six
six.
D
B
Sorry
keep
forgetting
the
next
thing
we
are
making
some
adjustments
to
the
agenda
tonight
we
have
a
couple
of
items
that
have
been
removed:
the
zoning
map
amendment
to
rezone,
215,
livington
street
and
415
south
french,
broad
avenue,
along
with
the
zoning
text,
amendment
to
chapter
7
of
the
udo,
have
been
postponed
right
now.
We
do
not
have
a
date
on
those.
Those
will
be
re-advertised
when
the
new
hearing
date
is
determined.
B
The
quasi-judicial
public
hearing
for
48
south
market
street
is
going
to
be
moved
to
the
first
item
and
then,
following
that,
we
will
do
the
cz
amendment
to
324
biltmore
avenue
and
then
the
conditional
zoning
for
343
haywood
street.
So
with
those
notes
in
mind,
we
will
move
on
to
the
quasi-judicial
public
hearing.
B
This
is
one
of
those
instances
where
the
planing
and
zoning
commission
acts
as
the
board
of
adjustment
for
a
project,
since
it
is
in
the
central
business
district
downtown.
What
that
means
is
that
we
review
this
for
the
technical
requirements
only.
It
is
not
reviewed
from
any
other
kind
of
zoning
or
design
or
any
of
those
standards.
It's
strictly
a
technical
review.
B
All
persons
who
would
be
presenting
before
the
commission
or
wish
to
make
comments
would
need
to
affirm
that
their
you
know
their
testimony
is
the
truth
before
we
proceed.
So
if
I
can
have
all
of
those
people
who
will
be
either
presenting
or
making
comments
on
this
matter,
and
that
is
for
the
48
south
market
llc
item.
A
Joe
before
you
swear
everybody
in
if
I
could
just
make
one
clarification,
you
had
mentioned
that
this
is
being
reviewed
for
technical
reasons,
only
or
technical
standards,
and
that's
true
for
ministerial
reviews
such
as
level
twos.
But
this
is
quasi-judicial.
A
B
Thank
you
yeah,
sorry
about
that.
This
is
because
it's
asking
for
a
variance.
It
is
slightly
different
than
what
I
did
mention.
So
apologies
for
that.
So
yes,
all
of
those
who
are
or
will
be
presenting
on
this
matter,
if
you
just
kind
of
raise
your
hand
on
screen,
so
I
can
see
who
you
are.
B
Okay,
do
you
all
affirm
that
the
testimony
you
are
about
to
give
is
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth,
and
if
I
can
get
an
eye
from
all
of
you.
F
Just
told
me
that
there's
no
sound
or
video
just
transcribed.
D
B
H
B
G
Okay,
so
it
is
streaming
to
this
is
something
that
happened
before
it
is.
It
is
streaming,
but
it's
streaming
to
the
wrong
youtube
link
on
our
page.
It's
currently
streaming
to
the
the
hrc,
the
historic
resources
commission
and
I'm
working
with
well,
sarah
just
messaged
me
I'm
trying
to
get
it
figured
out.
It
might
just
be
that
I
replaced
the
link
on
the
public
input
to.
I
G
F
A
B
Okay,
so
can
we
try
this
again
restarting
at
5
13
p.m?
If
anything
is
not
working
correctly
on
youtube,
if
someone
could,
let
us
know.
B
We
have
technically
two
items
that
have
been
removed
from
the
agenda,
that
is,
the
re-zoning
of
two
city-owned
parcels
at
285,
livington,
livingston
street
and
415
south
french
broad
avenue,
and
also
the
zoning
text,
amendment
to
chapter
7
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
update
open
space
requirements.
Both
of
those
items
are
being
postponed
to
a
date.
At
this
point
uncertain
they
will
be
re-advertised
when
a
new
hearing
is
determined,
the
other
adjustments
we're
making
to
the
agenda.
B
The
last
item
shown
currently
the
quasi-judicial
public
hearing
for
48
south
market
street
is
going
to
be
moved
to
item
number
one
and
then,
after
that
we
will
do
the
two
remaining
items,
which
are
the
conditional
zoning
amendment.
D
B
B
B
B
Before
we
begin,
since
this
is
a
quasi-judicial
portion,
where
we
are
acting
as
the
board
of
adjustment,
we
need
to
have
everyone
affirm.
People
who
are
presenting
before
the
commission
need
to
affirm
that
their
testimony
is
indeed
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
So
before
we
got
paused,
I
had
mr
behringer
miss
bor.
B
Thank
you
and
miss
hudson
as
the
three
who
would
be
presenting
before
the
commission.
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
So
I'm
gonna,
do
a
roll
call
vote
or
a
roll
call
affirmation
for
each
one
of
you,
but
this
is
what
you're
affirming
to
do.
You
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
is
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth
and
I'll
start
with
you.
Mr
barringer.
B
Oh
I'll,
give
you
a
minute
I'll
go
on
to
how
about
miss.
Hudson.
B
B
Thank
you,
miss
tuck.
I.
D
B
Okay-
and
I
believe
mr
behringer
had
to
log
back
out
when
he
comes
back
in,
if
I
forget
to
catch
it.
If,
if
one
of
you
can
just
remind
me-
and
we
can
have
him
affirm
again
so
the
planar
according
coordinating
review
for
this
is
miss
tuck,
and
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
will
get
my
presentation
going
here
and
we'll
get
started.
A
So
as
chair
archibald
had
introduced,
this
is
a
variance
request
for
the
property
located
at
48
south
market
street.
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
and
is,
does
follow
a
slightly
different
review
process
and
criteria
by
which
we
evaluate
it.
So
I'm
going
to
go
over
this
a
little
bit
understanding
that
some
of
the
commissioners
a
little
bit
newer
to
quasi
judicial
proceedings.
So
I'm
going
to
take
a
little
bit
more
time
going
over
a
little
bit
of
this
information.
So
to
begin
here's
the
property
outlined
in
red.
A
A
It's
a
little
unusual
to
have
it
built
out
so
fully
to
all
the
property
lines.
We
often
will
have
like
a
few
feet
in
the
back
of
a
building
or
on
the
side
of
a
building
where
we
can,
you
know
just
have
like
space
for
other
sort
of
back
of
house
needs.
So
that
is
one
thing.
That's
a
little
bit
unique
about
this
property
that
I
want
to
point
out
on
this
ariel.
A
So
the
variance
requested
is
relief
from
udo,
section
7818
f13a5a,
and
this
is
specifically
it's
one
of
our
downtown
design
requirements
for
buildings
along
key
pedestrian
streets.
So
for
buildings
along
key
pedestrian
streets,
we
require
that
the
ground
level
provide
at
least
70
percent
of
windows,
doors
or
other
openings,
and
that's
a
linear
measurement
that
we
use.
A
I
should
also
mention
that
this
these
design
requirements
are
most
commonly
applied
to
new
construction,
it's
more
rare
to
try
to
apply
it
to
a
renovation,
and
we
only
apply
to
renovations
when
the
extent
of
the
renovation
is
significant
enough
where
the
facade
is
altered.
In
that
case,
we
are
looking
to
see
to
have
that
those
standards
satisfied.
A
A
This
is
also
an
opportunity
to
improve
ada
accessibility.
I'll
point
that
out
a
little
bit
more
in
a
moment
when
we
look
at
the
site
plan
and
then
also
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace
some
opaque
garage
doors
and
actually
it's
a
pedestrian
door
as
well
with
some
transparent
window
and
or
glazing.
A
So
here's
the
facade
in
question:
it's
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
unusual
facade.
It's
got
a
little
articulation
to
it.
It's
not
a
flat
facade,
so
we
have
two
sections:
we
have
this
sort
of
northern
section
or
what
I
call
the
northern
section
and
this
sort
of
southern
section.
So
you
can
see
how
this
relates
to
the
actual
building.
Today.
This
is
that
kind
of
northern
piece,
and
then
this
is
the
more
southern
piece.
So
today
we've
got
a
fairly
generous
opening
on
that
northern
section.
A
That
includes
this
pedestrian
door
and
kind
of
store
front
window,
and
then
on
the
southern
section
you
have
this
opaque
metal
sort
of
surface
door
and
then
you've
got
a
big
garage
door.
So
this
is
a
metal,
roll-up
garage
door
and
this
photo
it's
open
and
we
do
have
downtown
businesses
that
take
advantage
of
garage
doors
to
kind
of
activate.
A
You
know
an
outdoor
dining
area
or
something
along
those
lines,
but
the
majority
of
the
time.
These
doors
remain
closed,
that
and
that
kind
of
makes
that
space
a
little
bit
dead
on
the
street.
A
So
what
is
proposed
as
a
result
of
these
renovations
is
to
essentially
keep
most
of
that
window
and
storefront
glazing
on
that
northern
section.
But
there
is
a
little
change
in
the
facade
you
can
see
here
that
they
expand
the
sort
of
the
opaque
or
the
masonry
part
of
the
facade
slightly
in
order
to
kind
of
help
create
this
little
mechanical
room
or
mechanical
alcove,
and
this
is
also
required
as
a
result
of
the
renovation.
A
They
this
also
has
to
be
accessible
by
people,
so
we
need
an
active
door
and
that's
where
the
store
comes
in.
When
we
have
existing
buildings,
we
sometimes
inherit
a
less
than
ideal
situation
as
with
the
southern
door,
where
the
doors
kind
of
swing
out
into
the
open
public
or
into
the
public
way,
or
that
right
of
way,
that's
not
so
great.
A
So
the
amount
of
windows,
doors
and
other
openings
on
this
northern
section
gets
reduced.
Some
primarily
because
of
this,
the
need
for
this
mechanical
equipment
to
be
behind
a
wall,
and
I
would
invite
the
architects
to
correct
anything.
If
I'm
mistaken
anything.
This
is
kind
of
based
on
my
limited
understanding
of
building
code.
I
believe
that
this
equipment
also
has
to
be
enclosed
within,
like
the
walls
have
to
have
a
certain
fire
rating,
and
I
don't
think
that's
satisfied
with
glass.
A
A
So,
as
we
mentioned
earlier,
in
order
to
grant
a
variant,
the
board
of
adjustment
work,
the
commission,
acting
as
the
board
of
adjustment,
must
find
that
these
four
north
carolina
statutory
findings
are
satisfied.
So
these
come
directly
from
the
north
carolina
general
statutes.
I'm
not
going
to
read
them.
They
were
included
in
your
staff
report.
Hopefully,
you've
had
the
opportunity
to
review
them
in
the
staff
report
and
and
through
your
trainings,
I'm
going
to
summarize
them
a
little
bit
in
this
next
slide.
A
So
the
first
two
findings
I
typically
review
in
conjunction
with
each
other
or
I'd
encourage
you
to
consider
them
in
conjunction.
The
first
has
to
do
with
what
is
the
the
hardship
that
occurs
through
the
strict
application
of
the
code,
and
the
second
has
to
do
with
what
is
unique
and
peculiar
about
this
about
the
the
site
context.
Here,
when
you
look
at
those
two
together,
it's
basically
asking
you
what
about
this
property
is
unique
and
special.
A
That
makes
full
compliance
with
that
standard
impossible
or
at
the
least,
you
know
very
impractical
and
in
this
case,
that
infrastructure
that
fire
department,
that
and
water
infrastructure
that's
necessary.
As
part
of
this,
renovation
has
to
be
located
in
this
front
corner
of
the
building,
and
that's
because
all
of
our
utility
public
utility
infrastructure
is
in
front
of
the
building.
You
may
recall
from
the
aerial
image
there
is
a
an
alleyway
at
the
rear
of
the
property
oftentimes.
A
Our
utilities
run
in
these
alleys,
but
in
this
case
that's
not
the
situation
and
they're
all
out
in
front
of
the
building.
So
those
connections
have
to
occur
sort
of
in
this
area
and
again
it
has
to
be
accessible
to
the
fire
department
and
other
people
who
need
to
access
that
equipment,
so
it
has
to
be
located
there.
A
So
that's
the
reason
I
think
for
for
for
some
of
that,
the
second
or
the
third
finding
has
to
do
it
asks
orange.
You
know
verifies
that
the
need
for
asking
for
this
relief
isn't
the
result
of
the
applicant's
own
actions,
and
this
is
essentially
an
inherited
situation.
The
property
owner
did
not
build
the
building.
This
way
they
did
not
choose
to
locate
the
public
infrastructure
in
south
market
street.
A
A
So
in
this
case
again,
while
the
overall
amount
of
openings
is
being
reduced,
the
amount
of
transparency
is
being
improved,
not
to
mention
the
fact
that
this
renovation
itself
is
is
breathing
life
into
a
vacant
downtown
building.
So
I
would
it
would
be
my
position
that
the
spirit
intent
of
the
ordinance
is
satisfied.
A
J
I
think
that
was
very
thorough
and
really
explains
our
position,
and
this
is,
I
guess,
somewhat
common
for
downtown
projects
that
they
have
these
issues
with
especially
existing
buildings
and
all
specifically,
this
one
could
even
happen
to
a
new
construction
with
so
little
facade
and
having
to
provide
required
building
code
infrastructure,
and
this
is,
I
think,
also
an
example
of
where
sometimes,
the
the
zoning
and
the
building
code
not
contradict,
but
they
collide
and
we
have
to
satisfy
the
life
safety
requirements.
J
So
it
we
do
have
to
have
our
fdc
on
the
front
of
the
building.
It
wasn't
shown
on
that
elevation,
but
it
would
be
a
y
type
connection
on
that
elevation
right
there.
Next
to
the
on
the
right
side
and
fire
department
is
requiring
it
on
that
location
and
we
are
required
to
bring
our
water
into
the
building
from
south
market
street,
as
this
tech
said
not
from
the
alley,
and
that
is
where
we
have
to
have
our
backflow,
preventer
and
pressure
reducing
valve.
So
it
just.
J
You
know
we
squeezed
as
much
as
we
could.
We
are
replacing
the
mandor,
which
was
added
later
and
really
didn't
work
with
the
facade.
This
is
a
considered
historic
building,
not
I
mean
not
in
the
historic
sense,
with
any
kind
of
designation,
but
we're
trying
to
kind
of
revive
the
building,
while
also
adding
on
so
we've
cleaned
it
up,
increased
the
glazing
and
we
just
need.
We
just
couldn't
quite
hit
that
70
percent
in
order
to
to
provide
some
mechanical
room.
B
Thank
you
miss
hudson.
I
just
noticed
that
mr
barringer
is
back
on.
I
don't
know
if
he
is
going
to
be
making
any
comments
or
or
wishes
to
make
any
comment,
but
if
you
do
definitely
we'll
need
to
do
that
affirmation
with
you
again
do.
K
J
I
don't
think
so.
I
mean
like,
like
miss
huck,
said
it's
a
very
straightforward.
This
isn't,
because
we,
our
design,
is
not
requiring
it.
It's
the
code
requirements
that
are
requiring
us
that
that
are
impeding
us
from
meeting
the
the
70
fenestration
opening
we're
happy,
though,
to
answer
any
questions:
if
there
are
any.
B
E
Yes,
hi,
I
was
wondering
if
the
the
openings
on
the
second
level
were
the
existing
size
of
the
openings,
like
the
glass
that
you're
replacing
okay
and
does
the
calculation
include
the
third
level.
J
So
they're
different
the
way
the
downtown
ms
tech
can
clarify,
but
you
have
different
requirements
for
the
ground
level
versus
the
upper
levels.
Also,
this
is
commercial
at
the
ground
level
and
it's
residential
at
the
upper
levels.
So
the
the
requirements
are
different.
C
So
the
bill
so
we're
adding
in
residence
to
the
building.
There
wasn't
currently
residential
units
in
the
building.
J
J
That
goes
to
the
second
floor
and
that's
where
we
will
have
residential
units
above
and
there
is
another
part
of
the
the
udo
that
does
it
likes
for
you
to
distinguish
between
entrances
that
are
business
versus
residential,
and
so
that's
part
of
why
we
stepped
back
that
entrance
at
the
residential,
because
it
kind
of
creates
an
alcove
and
the
experience
it
signifies.
It's
the
it's
the
residential
side,
not
the
commercial.
C
J
Not
necessarily
anything
we
would
do
to
the
building
at
this
point
there,
the
the
we
would
have
to
add
a
backflow
preventer
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
our
change
of
use
and
even
though
we
are
changing
use,
we
we
should
still
be
allowed
to
do
that
it.
It's
it's
not
considered
part
of
it
wouldn't
be
considered
a
reason
to
miss
tuck
help
me
out
here.
A
Well,
backflow
preventers
are
a
health,
health
and
safety.
It's
it's
just.
J
A
Expansion,
however,
because
this
building
is
in
the
condition
that
it
is
almost
any
renovation,
as
ms
hudson
indicated,
would
end
up
requiring
these
this
infrastructure.
So
it's
not
it's
not
because
they've
expanded
and
added
the
residential
units
right,
because
they're
renovating
a
vacant
building,
exactly
I
mean
there's
others.
J
Zero
infrastructure
in
this
building
right
now
it
has
no
plumbing
nothing.
It's.
It
really
is
a
shell,
and
so.
C
H
B
Yeah,
I
guess
I
was
gonna
thinking
about
bringing
that
up.
I
mean,
essentially,
you
have
the
use
use
by
right.
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
to
do
the
renovation
to
add
residential,
to
make
it
the
mixed
use
that
it
is
and
pretty
much
like
you
said,
any
additions.
Work
to
this
building
is
going
to
cause
you
to
have
to
do
these.
You
know
mechanical
upgrades
to
the
building,
especially
since
you're
doing
that
over
fifty
percent,
so
yeah
that
really
becomes
almost
another
trigger
as
well.
B
So,
commissioner
levi,
you
had
a
comment
or
question.
E
Yeah,
so
you
said
no
plumbing,
so
I'm
wondering
did
it
have
a
sprinkler
system
in
there?
No
okay,
yeah,
usually
residential,
is
what
triggers
ftc,
but
I
think
to
brenton's
point.
You
know
like
the
backflow
and
all
that
that's
that's
going
to
be
required.
Anyways,
so
yeah.
G
B
B
B
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
just
open
public
comment
at
5,
35
and
close
public
comment
at
5
35..
So
is
there
any
further
discussion
among
the
commissioners
on
this
project.
A
L
Tuck,
I
actually
just
have
a
quick
clarification
on
the
staff
report
for
this.
It
says
at
the
beginning
that
the
extent
of
the
variance
that's
being
sought
as
a
16
reduction,
but
I
think
it's
just
an
11
reduction-
is
that
right.
I
A
B
A
B
B
B
It
really
is
a
you
know:
it's
a
motion
to
grant
or
deny,
and-
and
maybe
I'm
at
it
you
know-
I
have
the
beauty
of
having
this
in
front
of
me.
So
I'm
certainly
happy
to
to
make
this
motion
unless
there
is
another
commissioner
that
would
like
to
for
this
project.
So
I
moved
to
grant
the
variance
based
on
the
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
presented
at
this
hearing
and
in
the
staff
report
and
as
showing
and
is
shown
by
the
applicant
that
all
of
the
required
standards
have
been
met.
B
Second,
okay,
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
again
I
will
do
a
roll
call
vote.
So
we'll
start
with
commissioner
levi.
E
B
Commissioner
barton
aye,
commissioner
bubenik.
B
Hi
and
commissioner
faircloth
hi
the
mo,
and
I
will
vote
I
as
well,
and
so
the
motion
passes
seven
to
nothing.
Thank
you
very
much.
Miss
hudson
and
your.
J
J
B
B
L
Thank
you,
chair
archibald,
yeah,
on
the
advice
of
city,
legal
staff,
I'll
be
recusing
myself.
In
the
deliberation
of
this
agenda
item,
the
applicant
made
a
substantial
donation
to
build
a
playground
at
maplecrest
apartments,
which
is
a
a
partnership
between
the
housing
authority
and
my
employer,
mountain
housing
opportunities
so
enjoy
your
deliberation
and
I'll
see
you
later.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
barton,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to.
B
Yep,
so
we
actually
do
need
to
vote
to
recuse.
Commissioner
barton,
so
can
we
just
do
a
simple
eye,
or
do
we
need
to
do
a
roll
call?
You.
B
Okay,
so
let's
do
so
all
those
in
favor
of
recusing,
commissioner
barton
from
from
this
agenda
item,
raise
your
hand
and
say
aye
aye.
C
A
A
All
right,
thank
you,
chair
archibald,
so,
as
mr
archibald
has
indicated,
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
amendment
request
for
the
property
located
at
324
biltmore
avenue.
This
is
one
of
the
last
hotel
properties
to
be
rezoned
before
the
city's
moratorium,
so
this
property
was
conditionally
rezoned
back
in
2019
from
regional
business
to
lodging
expansion
conditional
zone,
as
you
can
see
from
the
exhibit
a
map,
the
property
is
located
at
the
corner
of
white
fawn
and
biltmore
avenue.
A
A
A
So,
regarding
the
first
request,
I've
plucked
out
the
two
conditions
that
are
proposed
to
change
these
amended
conditions
were
included
in
the
materials
with
your
staff
report.
The
first
is
to
change
condition
number
two
to
include
a
eating
and
drinking
establishment.
It
had
previously
just
included
reference
to
the
103
room
hotel
it.
It
was
according
to
the
applicant,
always
planned
and
always
anticipated
that
there
would
be
a
restaurant
bar
for
the
hotel.
A
A
The
second
change
has
to
do
with
changes
to
the
facade.
This
is
the
2019
approved
elevation
that
was
included
in
the
adopted
ordinance,
and
you
can
see
it's
a.
I
think,
it's
fair
to
say
it's
an
older
style
residence
inn
meant
to
look
a
little
bit
more
like
an
apartment
building,
as
opposed
to
a
hotel,
but
it
is
a
little
bit
dated,
and
that
was
what
got
approved
and
the
applicant
is
wishing
to
make
some
more
changes
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
contemporary.
A
So
these
are
the
updated
renderings
and
you
can
see
that
the
overall
I
should
say
before
I
talk
about
the
changes
in
the
facade.
The
site
plan
does
not
change.
The
footprint
of
the
building
does
not
change
the
total
square.
Footage
does
not
change.
Even
the
window.
Fenestration
does
not
substantially
change
it's.
It's
really
just
sort
of
the
design
of
this
facade.
A
There
is
some
change
in
some
of
the
colors
that
by
itself
wouldn't
necessarily
require
an
amendment,
but
that,
in
conjunction
with
all
of
the
other
changes,
we
thought
it
best
to
come
back
before
the
commission
and
council
for
review.
They
did
add
some
additional
window.
Glazing
you've
got
this
sort
of
vertical
element.
Here
there
is
a
little
bit
of
artwork
on
some
of
the
blank
panels.
That's
being
added.
A
The
parking
garage
screening
has
always
been
on
this
sort
of
first
and
faux
second
level,
but
they're,
proposing
to
kind
of
improve
that
second
level
in
the
original
design.
It
was
made
to
look
almost
like
fake
windows
like
it
was
pretending
to
be
a
second
story
with
units,
but
it
was
always
a
parking
garage,
and
so
we
think
this
is
a
little
bit
more
authentic
treatment
of
of
that
use
or
that
space
behind
the
facade
and
then
there's
this
addition
of
an
outdoor
sort
of
gathering
area
patio
balcony.
A
A
A
This
is
from
the
south
end
looking
north
and
then
this
is
the
intersection
with
white
fawn.
So
this
is
the
side
that
this
actually
added
windows
when
we
didn't
have
windows
before
and
there's
a
proposal
to
add
a
maybe
a
mural
to
the
side
of
the
building.
A
This
project
was
reviewed
by
the
design
review
committee.
As
the
commission
knows,
hotels
go
before
design
review.
Now,
however,
it
was
questionable
whether
or
not
this
step
was
really
required
with
this
amendment,
because
the
the
property
is
actually
not
located
within
the
city's
new
hotel
overlay,
which
is
really
where
we
apply.
A
You
know
we
hotels
and
the
overlay
have
to
go
through
this
design
review
standard,
and
since
this
predated
the
creation
of
the
design
review
committee,
we
didn't
think
it
was
absolutely
necessary,
but
we
thought
it
was
a
good
idea
and
we
recommended
it
to
the
applicant
and
they
willingly
agreed
to
go
before
design
review.
They
actually
went
twice.
They
went
in
october
for
informal
review,
got
a
little
bit
of
preliminary
feedback
from
the
committee,
adjusted
their
plans
somewhat
and
went
back
for
formal
review
in
november.
A
The
feedback
from
the
commission
was
positive
or
the
committee
was
positive.
They
didn't
get
into
the
the
nitty-gritty
detail.
They
offered
some
general
feedback
because
the
review
wasn't
required,
they
didn't
feel
comfortable
or
they
didn't
think
it
was
appropriate
for
them
to
actually
vote
to
approve
or
not
approve
it.
So
they
just
voted
to
recommend
moving
it
forward
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
with
the
remark
that
they
felt
that
the
building
was
the
changes
were
an
improvement
over
the
previous
design.
A
A
One
down-
I
I
don't
have
any
information
about
the
residence
inn,
I'm
not
sure
that
these
two
projects
are
related,
but
we
can
ask
the
applicant.
M
I
can,
can
you
guys
hear
me
first
off?
Yes,
yes,
hey
erica
kennedy,
I'm
with
oda
architecture
representing
the
client
as
well.
So
as
far
as
branding
goes
typically
marriott
will
recommend
or
approve.
They
won't
allow
their
properties
to
be
too
close
to
each
other.
So
that's
all
handled
within
the
brand
because
they
do
allow
that
to
be
open.
They
feel
that
that
both
of
them,
if
they're
open
at
the
same
time
that
they're
very
differently
designed
they
have
different
feels
they
have
different
character
to
them.
B
M
I
think
shannon
pretty
much
covered
it.
If
there's
any
specific
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
those.
We
also
have
the
civil
engineer,
but,
like
shannon
had
mentioned,
we're
pretty
much,
not
changing
anything
on
the
site
plan.
The
footprint
did
not
change.
M
We
actually
reduced
the
square
footage
slightly
and
then
also
the
original
design
showed
three
stories
of
parking
structure
and
we
reduced
that
to
two
so
we're
trying
to
get
the
building
closer
to
a
pedestrian
scale
by
creating
that
you
know
glazing
over
there
next
to
the
entrance
you're
kind
of
inviting
people
up
to
that
that
outdoor
patio,
which
is
where
the
bar
and
restaurant
will
be
located,
and
that
will
really
just
be
a
branding
sort
of
hotel
bar.
It's
not
going
to
be
anything
massive.
B
I
have
a
question
regarding
this:
the
screening
at
the
second
floor.
You
know
the
second
parking
deck
level.
B
M
So
we'll,
typically,
we
would
like
to
mimic
the
windows
above
the
mullions
to
make
it
look
like
the
above,
but
instead
of
adding
glass
and
making
it
look,
you
know
completely
fake.
We
would
probably
do
some
sort
of
horizontal
screening
for
the
safety
of
anyone
in
there
and
also
so
you're,
not
looking
at
car
hoods
and
that
sort
of
thing.
M
But,
as
shannon
mentioned,
we
did
want
to
kind
of
bring
down
the
windows
from
above
and
sort
of
mimic
that
look
on
the
second
level.
M
B
Not
a
fixed
piece
of
panel
or
anything
that
that's
completely
opaque
and.
B
Okay,
all
right
and
then
the
green
screen
treatment,
that's
above
that
garage
door.
Is
that
what
is
the
the
thought
on
that?
It
looks
like
it's.
I
mean
I
like
it.
I
would
I'd
love
to
see
more,
especially
on
the
weight
falling
side,
I'm
just
kind
of
thinking,
it's
hanging
above
a
garage
door.
M
So
part
of
this
conditional
zoning
was,
I
believe,
in
lieu
of
street
trees.
We
were
able
to
do
six
planters,
so
we
were
just
kind
of
feeding
off
of
that.
You
know
trying
to
bring
a
little
bit
of
green
in
we're
still
working
through
the
details
on
exactly
what
that
is,
but
I
I
agree
we
do
want
to
see
a
little
more
of
that
and
then
bringing
that
up
so,
like
I
said,
we're
still
planning
on
that
portion.
A
That
that
was
something
that
kind
of
came
up
in
design
review
as
well.
They
talked
some
about
you
know
green
screen
versus
artwork
or
things
that
might
add
a
little
interest
to
you
know
what
would
otherwise
be
sort
of
blank
wall
panels,
so
there
was
just
there
wasn't
a
recommendation
for
one
over
the
other
just
and
I
think
what
we're
seeing
here
is
just
sort
of
a
conceptual
rendering
of
things
that
could
be
considered.
It's
not
necessarily
the
the
final
absolute
design.
I
guess.
B
Yeah
yeah
no
like
so
I
was
kind
of
curious.
I
mean
I
definitely
like
the
idea
of
having
the
green,
the
plantings
on
the
wall
and-
and
I
I
definitely
remember
this-
this
was,
as
you
mentioned,
miss
tuck.
I
think
this
was
the
last
hotel
we
approved
before
the
moratorium,
and
I
definitely
remember
it
from
then
and
it
I.
I
certainly
like
the
aesthetic
of
this
building
better
than
the
previous
one.
I
think
it
it
fits
in
well
and,
and
certainly
the
addition
of
the
green
screen
would
be
great.
B
You
know
really
the
one
thing
that
that
I'm
somewhat
disappointed
in
is
there's
not
that
activation
at
the
street
level
with
the
lobby.
You
know
the
lobby's
been
moved
up
to
the
second
floor,
so
that's
in
my
mind.
You
know
taking
something
away.
However,
I
think
overall,
the
building
itself
certainly
has
a
has
a
nicer
aesthetic.
So,
commissioner
levi,
you
had
a
question
or
comment.
E
Yeah,
so
I
know
from
other
hotel
projects.
Lighting
is
always
a
big
issue
when
you're
near
a
residential
neighborhood.
So
I
know
that
was
part
of
the
drc
report.
E
M
Yes,
we
will,
we
actually
work
closely
with
a
lighting
consultant
and
they
will
help
us.
You
know
read
through
all
the
rules
and
regulations
make
sure
that
we're
abiding
I'm
actually
born
and
raised
in
swannanoa,
so
I'm
from
asheville
native.
So
I
completely,
I
love
that
you
guys
have
the
lighting
sort
of
ordinance
and
all
that
so,
like
I
said
we
are
going
to
work
closely
with
the
lighting
console
to
make
sure
that
we
adhere
to
all
the
rules
and
regulations
for
that.
B
Okay,
great,
if
there's
no
other
comments
or
questions
from
the
commission
right
now,
I
will
open
it
up
for
public
comment
at
5,
55.
B
Okay
and
we
will
close
public
comment
at
5
55..
Is
there
any
further
discussion
among
the
commissioners,
any
other
questions
or
anything
at
all
and
if
not.
F
Anyone
I
sure
I
know
that
this
was
approved
back
in
2019,
but
I
am
really
tired
of
seeing
hotels.
F
You
know
I
mean
I
think
we
need
to
really
focus
on
getting
some
other
things
in
this
area.
You
know
this
is
like
right
by
the
tourist
stadium.
The
reason
I
asked
about
the
traffic
is,
you
know,
on
game
nights,
there's
tons
of
traffic
down
there.
This
is
just
going
to
add
to
that.
You
know
I'm
not
really
a
fan
of
this
architecture
going
downtown.
F
Looking
at
this
as
you
go
to
a
tourist
game
or
go
to
a
brewery,
it's
just
going
to
create
something
else
that
isn't
nice
to
look
at
as
we
go
down
into
that
area
as
locals,
and
you
know
we
just
need
to
listen
to
people
who
live
in
the
community
who
keep
telling
us.
You
know,
don't
build
this,
don't
build
that.
So,
just
from
my
perspective
of
the
commissioner,
you
know
I
was
put
on
this
board
for
different
reasons.
F
B
D
L
B
Difficult
to
try
to
to
take
that
back
now
so,
but
your
your
comments
are
certainly
heard
for
sure.
So
any
other
comments
or
any
anything
else.
N
N
Okay,
I
moved
to
approve
the
conditional
zone,
amendment
request
for
the
property
located
324
bitmore
avenue
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable,
is
in
the
public
interest
and
is
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
one
is
strategically
located
to
downtown
and
transit.
To
is
alignment
with
the
with
the
future
land
use
map
in
the
living
attribute,
comprehensive
plan
and
three
supports
place,
making
a
long
bit
more
avenue.
B
And
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
miss
commissioner
faircloth
aye,
commissioner
bubenik.
F
E
B
Commissioner
hoke
hi
and
I
will
vote
I
as
well.
The
motion
passes
four
to
two
commissioner
barton
had
recused
himself,
so
that
needs
to
be
noted
as
well.
B
B
I
just
would
like
to
make
a
brief
comment.
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
you
know
planning
and
zoning
commission
reviews
these
from
a
technical
standpoint,
a
zoning
standpoint
based
on
a
specific
project
on
a
specific
site
and
all
of
these
projects
that
that
we
hear
before
us
are
required
to
meet
certain
regulations
that
are
outlined
in
the
udo
that
are
directly
related
to
that
project
and
its
impacts
on
the
site.
B
A
A
All
of
those
emails
have
been
added
to
the
public
comment:
folder,
that's
included
in
the
meeting
materials
and
they
were
read
by
all
of
the
commissioners.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
folks
in
the
community
know
that
we're
receiving
those
comments
and
it
it
they
are
being
read
and
taken
into
consideration.
So
and
thank
you
for
that
introduction
and
just
to
kind
of
recap.
This
is
a
conditional
zoning
amendment
for
the
property
located
at
343
and
357
west
haywood
street.
A
So
this
is
just
outside
the
city's
downtown
and
the
property
is
currently
zoned
community
business,
one
as
shown
in
that
exhibit
a
map
on
the
left.
The
proposal
is
to
resume
the
two
properties
together
to
community
business
2
conditional
zone
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
map,
the
property
does
have
frontage
on
west
haywood.
A
A
So,
in
addition
to
looking
at
the
existing
zoning
designation,
considering
a
change
to
that,
we
always
also
look
at
and
reference
the
city's
future
land
use
map,
and
that
designation-
and
in
this
case,
because
the
property
again
is
so
close
to
the
downtown.
The
future
vision
for
this
area
is
to
urbanize
much
like
the
downtown.
So
the
designation
on
the
featured
land
use
map
is
downtown
and
that
does
call
for
higher
intensity
mixed
use,
high
density
residential
type
uses
multi-story,
so
that
is
the
expectation
as
properties
continue
to
develop
and
urbanize
over
time.
A
So,
as
a
result,
a
change
in
the
future
land
use
map
will
not
be
necessary.
The
the
commission
sometimes
sees
conditional
zoning
applications
that
should
the
zoning
change
be
supported.
A
change
to
the
future
land
use
map
is
also
necessary,
but
in
this
case
the
future
land
use
designation
is
already
where
it
needs
to
be.
A
Looking
at
the
exhibit
b
aerial
imagery,
you
can
see
that
that
property
is
currently
vacant
and
undeveloped,
and
you
can
see
that
controlled
access
right
of
way
to
the
north.
That's
interstate
240.,
the
lanes
that
are
closest
to
the
property
are
actually
the
the
eastbound
ramp
off
of
240
onto
patton
avenue.
So
the
traffic
on
these
lanes
is
a
little
bit
less,
but
you
definitely
would
hear
the
hum
of
the
interstate
from
the
property.
The
property
does
sit
higher
in
elevation.
It's
about
30
35
feet
above
the
the
grade
of
these
travel
lanes.
A
Looking
at
the
site
plan,
you
can
see
the
footprint
of
the
proposed
building.
It's
proposed
a
49
000
square
foot,
four-story
tall
apartment
building,
so
this
is
a
multi-family
residential
development.
45
units
in
total,
all
of
the
units
are
proposed
to
be
affordable,
also
included
in
the
project,
are
55
parking
spaces.
35
of
those
spaces
are
structured
and
are
tucked
underneath
the
building.
So
you
see
the
the
footprint
there
in
gray,
you
can
kind
of
see
what
looks
like
a
parking
lot.
That's
actually
representing
the
parking
spaces
that
are
tucked
underneath.
A
So,
as
you
drive
down
the
entrance
to
the
parking
area,
you're
going
to
drop
an
elevation
and
you're
going
to
be
able
to
kind
of
swing
around
and
enter
that
parking
structure
underneath
the
building
so
from
the
from
west
haywood,
it
would
appear
as
a
four-story
from
the
parking
lot
behind.
It
would
be
four
stories
above
that
parking
level
also
included
in
the
project
is
some
indoor
and
outdoor
community
space.
You
can
see.
There's
some
landscaping
around
the
property.
We
have
a
wide
sidewalk
that
varies
in
width
from
I
think
10
to.
A
A
A
Overall,
the
building
has
a
little
bit
more
height
than
that.
We've
got
these
taller
roof
features
on
the
end
with
that
kind
of
shed
roof.
That
adds
a
little
bit
of
the
overall
height,
but
we
actually
measure
height
technically
from
the
floor
of
the
main
point
of
entry
to
the
ceiling
of
the
highest
occupied
level.
So
that's
41
feet:
9
inches.
A
A
A
I
don't
believe
you
would
see
all
of
the
structure
from
the
interstate
because
of
that
elevation
change.
I
think
you
would
just
be
looking
up
and
seeing
portions
of
this
building
the
floor
plan.
This
is
the
first
level
floor
plan
and
you
can
see
there's
the
multi-purpose
room
or
community
space.
This
is
for
the
residents.
This
is
not
program,
space
or
community
center
space.
It's
really
for
the
residents
or
to
host.
You
know
small
gatherings
things
like
that
community
meetings,
things
of
that
nature.
A
A
All
conditional
zonings
are
also
evaluated
for
their
ability
to
comply
with
or
support
the
city's
living,
asheville
comprehensive
plan.
This.
We
feel
that
this
project
is
consistent
with
the
future
plan
or
with
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan.
In
a
number
of
ways,
first,
it
is
already
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
map
by
providing
high
density
residential.
A
It
encourages
responsible
growth
by
providing
infill
development
in
targeted
growth
areas,
increases
the
supply
of
housing,
particularly
housing
and
strategic
locations.
So
when
we
say
strategic
we're
talking
about
housing,
that
is
in
close
proximity
to
employment,
goods,
services,
transit,
you
know
those
basic
needs
that
people
have.
A
A
A
A
In
this
case,
we
have
three
modifications.
The
first
is
to
density
in
the
cb2
zoning
district.
You
can
have
up
to
50
units
an
acre
when
you
provide
affordable
housing
and
they
certainly
satisfy
that
requirement.
They're,
requesting
slightly
more
than
that
52.3
units
per
acre.
The
building
height
again,
is
normally
capped
out
at
40
feet
in
the
cb1
and
cb2
districts,
they're
requesting
a
foot
and
nine
inches
above
that
41
feet.
A
A
Other
conditions
include
affordability,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
all
45
of
the
residential
units
are
affordable
and
they're
affordable
at
different
levels.
So
a
certain
percentage
of
the
units
are
affordable
in
the
60
ami
range.
A
number
of
units
kind
of
in
that
mid
range
30
to
60
percent,
and
then
over
half
of
the
units
will
accept.
Housing
shows
housing,
choice,
vouchers,
which
are
typically
come
with
the
the
lowest
level
of
affordability.
A
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
is
indoor
and
outdoor
community
space
as
well
as
those
wide
sidewalks.
The
applicant
has
committed
to
adding
a
pedestrian
crossing
to
in
order
to
facilitate
movement
of
the
residents
to
existing
transit
stops
in
the
vicinity.
That
would
be
that
the
exact
location
hasn't
been
determined.
Yet
that's
not
why
it's
not
showing
on
your
site
plan
it's
to
be
worked
out
with
our
transportation
staff
still,
but
either
probably
around
the
intersection
with
hillyard
or
maybe
near
the
jefferson
drive
where
that
tees
into
west
haywood.
A
The
building
also
supports
pedestrian-oriented
design.
Has
those
nice
wide
sidewalks
to
improve
walkability
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
go
over
any
of
these
points.
I
know
the
applicant
and
their
team
are
also
online,
so
they
may
have
some
additional
information
to
add.
B
Thank
you,
miss
tuck.
Do
any
of
the
commissioners
have
any
immediate
questions
for
miss
tuck?
Yes,
commissioner
levi.
E
Yes,
I
remember
one
of
the
comments
had
said
that
the
weekend
citizen
plan
they
had
mentioned
a
maximum
of
35
units
per
acre.
Is
that
correct?
I
know,
that's
not
the.
E
D
A
A
C
Could
you
flip
back
to
that
site
plan?
Miss
tuck?
Was
there
like
exterior
lighting
in
that
parking
lot
or
anything?
I
know
a
lot
of
the
comments
we
received
were
based
on
safety
and
such
and
I
was
just
curious.
I
didn't
see
on
there
if
there
was
any
kind
of.
A
Street
lighting
yeah
at
this
stage
of
review
with
the
plants
being
a
little
bit
more
conceptual
in
nature.
We
don't
always
see
the
lighting
plan
that
usually
comes
later
with
final
technical
review
if
they
provide
lighting
lighting's
not
required
some
locations,
particularly
in
urban
areas,
there's
so
much
ambient
light
from
like
the
the
building
itself,
there's
usually
wall
packs
around
the
building,
there's
pathway
lighting
there
could
be
interstate
lighting,
like
sometimes
there's
enough
lighting
that
you
don't
want
to
add
more
lighting.
A
So
I
don't
know
that
we
know
that
at
this
stage
the
maybe
the
applicant
has
plans
for
lighting
that
they
could
share
with
us,
but
it
wasn't
included
in
the
plans
right
now.
Any
lighting
that
is
provided
has
to
meet
the
city's
outdoor
volume
standards,
which
include
requirements
for
cut
off.
It
also
includes
requirements.
People
may
not
understand
this
or
realize
that
if
you
do
provide
lighting,
there's
a
certain
uniformity,
that's
required
with
lighting,
so
you
can't
just
over
light
one
area
under
light.
Another
area
we
actually
require
that
it
be
somewhat
evenly
distributed.
C
Okay,
thank
you,
and
I
had
one
other
thing
that
I'll
let
miss
commissioner
simmons
go
I've
seen
in
several
places
like
this,
maybe
not
in
this
town
but
in
other
towns,
like
a
police
call
box,
like
those
safety
boxes,
with
the
light
on
the
top
that
you
see
on
college
campuses
or
you
see
in
certain
other
areas.
C
There
was
a
lot
of
comments
about
the
safety
of
the
site
such
and
so
I
didn't
know
if
that's
something,
maybe
the
applicant
wanted
to
consider
putting
something
like
that
in
or
something
we
might
think
as
a
committee
about
putting
in,
but
that's
just
a
suggestion
I
want
to
throw
out
there.
Thank
you.
D
I
Thank
you
in
regards
to
the
23
units
that
would
be
available
for
applicants
to
have
a
housing
choice.
Voucher
are
those
23
units
specifically
reserved
for
those
vouchers
or
is
it
more
of
a
first
come
first
serve
basis.
A
I'll,
let
the
applicants
speak
to
that.
My
understanding
is,
if
they
have
enough
people
interested
in
it
like
up
to
23
of
the
units,
would
accept
housing
vouchers,
but
if
they
didn't
have
that
many
people
eligible
for
that
it
could
move
into
another
category.
But
I'm
going
to
let
them
clarify
that,
because
I'm
not
100
sure.
A
E
B
You
know
that's
a
great
question,
commissioner
levi.
I
I
don't
recall
anything
I
moved
here
in
95.
I
don't
recall
anything
being
on
that
property,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
I
feel
like
there
was
some.
Maybe
you
know
remains
of
something
there,
but,
but
I'm
just
you
know,
that's
kind
of
going
way
back
in
my
in
my
memory.
So,
commissioner
barton.
L
Thank
you
chair
ms
tuck.
I
just
had
one
question:
while
we're
on
the
site
plan
in
the
trc
report,
public
works
made
a
comment
about
the
street
tree
grates
adjacent
to
the
building.
L
Has
there
been
any
further
discussion
of
placement
of
tree
gates
and
I
actually
have
kind
of
I
guess
backtracking
a
bigger
question
is,
I
was
a
little
surprised
to
see
tree
grates
in
the
running
bond
sidewalk
pattern
here,
since
we're
not
cbd
or
urban
place.
What
what
triggered
that
requirement.
A
I
so
I
don't
think
it's
running
bond.
I
think
they
just
use
that
to
to
hatch
the
sidewalk,
but
I
don't
I
don't.
If
they
are
proposing
running
bond,
we
would
tell
them
that
they're
not
supposed
to
do
that
here,
because
it's
not
the
cbd,
as
you
suggest,
with
some
of
our
more
urban
design
projects
we
support.
A
You
know
this
kind
of
downtown
look,
which
is
the
wider
sidewalk
with
the
tree.
Grates
doesn't
have
to
be
done
this
way,
but
I
think,
in
order
to
kind
of
facilitate
easy
movement
of
pedestrians
in
what
we
know
is
sort
of
a
high
pedestrian
act.
You
know
activity
area,
it
just
seemed
like
wider
sidewalks
was
a
nice
amenity.
A
The
tree
grates
are
located
against
the
building
because
of
utility
conflicts
that
occur
where
we
would
normally.
We
would
normally
want
to
put
the
trees
out
closer
to
the
edge
of
pavement,
but
unfortunately
we
have
water
sewer
storm
water
lines
in
there,
so
it
had
to
be
pushed
back
to
the
building.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
use
a
fastidiot,
which
is
a
very
columnar
tree
that
has
been
used
in
some
other
urban
applications
and
works.
L
Okay,
thank
you
yeah
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant
on
this,
and
we
can
table
the
discussion
about
that
because
it
does
seem,
like
you
know,
the
sidewalk
and
street
tree
great
configuration
is
coming
at
the
expense
of
cutting
down
three
large
oak
trees
that
are
providing
that
shade.
So
I
was
just
curious.
If
an
alternative
you
know,
building
configuration,
sidewalk
configuration
was
explored
that
maybe
would
allow
keeping
the
trees
that
are
actually
providing
shade
in
lieu
of
trees
that
are
going
to
be
so
close
to
the
building.
B
Thanks,
commissioner
barton,
commissioner
bubenik.
F
A
There
is
what
is
labeled
as
multi-purpose
rooms,
so
you
know
often
times
in
multi-family
buildings.
You'll,
have
sort
of
you
know
different
buildings,
different
projects,
kind
of
use,
the
space
in
different
ways.
It
can
be
kind
of
a
lounge
community
gathering
area.
It
can
be
space
reserved
for
meetings.
It
just
sort
of
depends.
A
B
A
F
Well,
I
mean
I
lived
in
affordable
housing
in
san
diego
and
when
you
first
walked
in,
there
was
still
a
big
like
group
center
like
downstairs
just
like
a
lot
of
apartment.
Centers
have,
and
there
was
like
a
big
community
kitchen,
but
you
still
had
like
their
own
apartments
upstairs.
So
I'm
wondering
like
how
they're
going
to
make
this,
and
there
was
still
like
an
outdoor
community
living
center
type
space.
B
So
certainly
great
questions
for
the
applicant
for
sure.
So,
commissioner
levy,
I
think
I
saw
your
hand,
was
up,
but
not.
E
E
B
Good
catch,
I
I
have
one
question:
miss
tuck
for
right
now,
I'm
kind
of
curious
and-
and
this
may
be
getting
a
bit
too
too
far
out,
but
I
know
you
know
there
were
some
comments
or
some
of
the
public
comments
that
received
referenced.
This
the
city
doesn't
really
have
any
plans
or
proposed
plans
or
anything.
Yet
for
what
and
I'm
gonna
use,
the
word
may
in
very
big
quotes
and
very
big.
B
A
That
is
my
understanding.
It's
not
set
in
stone,
it's
still
being
explored,
but
but
there
is
the
plan
to
kind
of
separate
that
patent
avenue
traffic
from
240.
A
B
B
Okay,
commissioner
bubenik,
you
had
another
question
and
a
comment.
F
Yeah,
can
you
go
back
to
the
slide?
That's
like
facing
patent
avenue.
Do
they
have
like
do
they
have
like
balconies,
so
they
can
like
come
off
and
then
like
look
off
patton
avenue.
F
Are
they
gonna
be
able
to
like
hang
stuff
off
of
their
balcony
and
they're
gonna,
be
like
a
hoa
per
se
because,
as
you
think
about
like
driving
off
patton
avenue,
like
people
seeing
stuff
hanging
off
their
balconies
understanding
like
beach
house
and
things
like
that,
from
like
a
perspective
of
driving
down
patton
avenue?
Seeing
that
that's
just
a
question.
B
Certainly,
we
can
ask
that
for
the
of
the
applicant
when,
when
they're
on
so.
A
I
I
did
get
a
text
message
that
it
looks
like
there
were
maybe
about
10
houses
on
the
property
based
on
the
1917
sanborn
map
and
that
these
were
removed
by
the
I-240
construction.
B
Well,
that
would
certainly
make
sense.
I
mean
I
I
would
have
guessed
that
there
would
have
been
something
there,
but
just
what
and
how
long
ago
it
was
removed
was
was
the
question
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
let
the
applicant
present,
because
I
know
we
certainly
have
some
questions
for
them
and
hopefully
they
can
answer
some
of
these
questions.
We've
already
had
so
I
believe,
reverend
combs.
Are
you
going
to
be
doing
the
presentation.
O
O
There
has
been
much
confusion
and
conflation
about
our
proposal,
so
I
wanted
to
start
with
what
we
are
not.
This
is
not
the
homer
bound
permanent
support
of
housing
development
the
days
in,
nor
is
it
a
hope,
the
homeless
state
center.
Nor
is
it
a
proposal
to
be
a
direct
service
provider.
We
believe
in
all
of
those
programs.
O
O
We've
asked
the
city
to
deed,
restrict
the
land
so
that
there's
no
scenario
where
these
units
could
be
flipped
to
market
rate
after
10
20
30
years
or
ever
it's
a
blended
income
proposal
with
over
half
of
the
units
at
30
percent
ami.
We
would
restrict
that
number
of
units
for
only
30
percent
ami
folks,
and
if
you
have
reviewed
the
bowen
report,
you
all
know
that
there's
one
category
that's
been
deemed
extremely
urgent
and
that's
residents
earning
up
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
annual.
Those
are
the
folks
who
would
prioritize
first.
O
Finally,
what's
very
different
about
our
housing
is
we
would
defy
the
minimum
standards
that
are
often
used
in
affordable
housing.
We
intend
these
to
be
dignified
homes,
not
decadent
or
opulent,
but
rather
market
rate.
Nice
think
nine
foot
ceilings,
stainless
steel
appliances,
stone,
countertops,
a
balcony
to
watch
the
sunset
to
the
west
places
where
people
want
to
stay
indefinitely.
O
O
We've
been
asked
why
we
can't
simply
decrease
the
number
of
units,
and
there
are
two
reasons
for
that.
One
is
because
typically
need
at
least
80
units
to
generate
enough
revenue
to
afford
full-time
staff.
This
would
be
half
that
so
we're
likely
looking
at
part-time
staff
and,
of
course,
you've
got
to
cover
payments
on
your
mortgage,
and
if
you
start
reducing
units,
you
simply
can't
make
the
pro
forma
pencil
and
then,
most
importantly,
there's
simply
no
way
to
respond
to
the
affordable
housing
crisis
without
increasing
density
rather
than
decreasing
it.
O
Second,
we've
heard
quite
a
few
concerns
about
traffic.
We
know
that
many
of
those
issues
were
existing
prior
to
our
proposal.
However,
wanting
to
be
sensitive,
we've
put
the
building
on
a
podium,
that's
a
significant
expense,
but
the
parking
underneath
will
allow
residents
to
have
that
priority
parking
rather
than
parking
along
the
street,
which
was
a
concern.
O
O
You
all
see
that
picture.
Yes,
okay,
this
picture
hangs
above
my
daughter's
headboard
in
her
bedroom,
and
it's
of
her
three-year-old
class
at
st
paul's
preschool
in
the
middle
of
the
picture
is
her
teacher.
His
name
is
nikki
and
nikki
is
a
graduate
of
unca.
She
majored
in
classic
and
classics,
and
she
gave
me
permission
to
share
her
story
tonight.
Hey.
A
O
Yeah,
okay,
sorry
nikki
was
intellectually
gifted
enough
to
move
on
to
phd
work,
but
she
decided
instead
to
spend
her
life
serving
kids
and
she
worked
part-time
at
st
paul
part-time
at
the
mall
and
part-time
doing
babysitting,
and
yet
she
still
couldn't
afford
anything.
But
a
derelict
rundown
motel
on
merriman
avenue.
I've
had
a
chance
to
visit
with
her
in
the
space
she
paid
over
a
thousand
dollars
a
month.
O
Basically,
it's
a
15
by
15
room
with
a
bed
in
the
middle,
no
kitchen
and
a
lot
of
black
mold
and
last
fall.
She
sold
her
car
to
try
to
make
ends
meet
and
then
ultimately
decided
that
she
had
to
move
to
louisville
where
housing
costs
are
quite
a
bit
lower
and
nikki
is
the
person
I
think
about
when
I
consider
the
face
of
this
development
she's
a
30
ami
resident
and
that's
who
we
want
to
prioritize,
and
so
on
behalf
of
folks,
like
nikki
and
people
who
clear.
P
D
B
F
Thank
you,
mr
combs.
I
actually
know
nikki.
She
worked
for
me
at
the
mall
very
small
world,
so
I
actually
have
a
bunch
of
questions.
Some
questions
I
have
are:
how
will
people
get
into
the
development?
Will
you
have
like
a
fob
that
they
swipe
at
the
front
door?
Will
they
have
a
key?
Will
there
be
like
a
receptionist
working
at
the
front
door
to
kind
of
keep
up
with
traffic
coming
in
and
out?
F
So
that's
my
first
question
the
wi-fi:
will
there
be
like
a
community
wi-fi
or
will
people
have
to
like
pay
for
their
own
wi-fi
in
each
of
their
apartments,
because
that's
like
one
more
expense
that
they
have
or
they
be
able
to
like
hook
up
to
a
community
wi-fi,
like
I
mentioned
previously,
will
there
be
like
a
hoa
rule,
type
thing
for
them
like
hanging
stuff
outside,
or
you
know
like
keeping
christmas
decorations
up
long
past
due
dates
or
will
they
will
also
need
to
abide
by
some
sort
of
hiv
rules
for
like
just
the
overall
community
to
kind
of
address?
F
Some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
seen
in
the
public
comments?
How
will
they
pay
for
their
rent?
Will
they
be
able
to
like,
maybe
take
it
out
of
direct
deposit
of
their
paychecks?
Will
they
be
able
to
like
pay
with
a
credit
card
to
make
everything
easy
or
easy?
And
how
would
you
see
the
like?
The
least?
Will
you
be
able
to
do
like
a
long
term
lease
to
also
like
address
some
of
the
public
comments
that
there
will
be
such
a
transient
system?
F
You
know
I
do
support
affordable
housing
and
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
difference
between
affordable
housing
and
short-term.
You
know
homeless,
shelter
and
I
do
see
this
as
a
affordable
housing
project,
and
so
you
know
I
do
want
to
support
this
project,
but
I
do
also
want
us
to
address
the
concerns
from
the
community.
F
Another
thing
I
want
us
to
look
at
as
we
move
forward
with
projects
is
like
we
talked
about
on
the
first
project
tonight,
there's
a
lot
of
vacant
buildings
in
the
community
that
can
be
transformed
into
a
project
just
like
this,
so
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
for
us
to
just
build
something
because
we
have
the
land,
but
we
could
look
at
other
options
in
the
community
and
work
together
with
those
types
of
things.
O
Of
those
questions,
as
I
I
can
remember
whatever
I
missed
please
come
back
to
me-
the
property
management
will
have
an
agreement
about
how
you
organize
the
balcony
and
there
there
won't
be
a
provision
for
things
hanging
from
the
railings
or
or
the
ceilings
in
terms
of
how
people
will
access
the
building.
It'll
be
a
key
fob
system
that
you
can
enter
the
building
through
west
haywood
street,
or
what
we
would
hope
is
that
af
residents
that
do
have
cars
can
park
underneath
the
building
and
then
come
up
the
elevator.
O
That's
why
the
elevator
shaft
is
situated
where
it
is
so
that
residents
can
have
the
primary
parking
spaces
and
then
access
the
building
and
then
their
own
apartments.
That
way
in
terms
of
the
community
space,
it's
intended
to
be
a
place
where
relationship
building
happens,
think
community
potlucks
remember
people's
birthday,
take
a
yoga
class
together.
O
What
we've
learned
about
poverty
is
that
it
has
this
insidious
habit
of
isolating
people,
and
we
want
as
many
excuses
as
we
can
think
of
to
bring
people
into
relationship
with
one
another,
and
that's
why
the
space
is
intended
to
be
so
expansive.
So
it's
again
multi-purpose
lots
of
different
things
happening
in
that
in
that
room.
O
I
mean
that's
pretty
much
it
I'll.
Let
the.
B
I'm
gonna
guess
there
may
be
some
similar
or
you
know
same
questions
from
from
different
people.
So,
commissioner,
faircloth.
C
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
reverend
for
the
presentation
when
I
was
looking
around
on
the
map,
and
it
looks
like
the
asheville
transit
authority
has
a
building
near
this
or
down
the
street
from
this.
Is
that
just
a
housing
location
for
those
buses
or
is
there
an
actual
drop-off
pick
up
place
for
the
for
occupants?
That
might
be
a
question
for
miss
tuck.
B
C
My
my
point
being
I'd
like
to
see
there
be
a
public
transit
node
somewhere
within
walking
distance
of
that
to
alleviate
these
traffic
concerns
of
the
neighborhood
and
also
going
for
affordable
housing.
If
they're
struggling
to
make
house
payments
they're
going
to
be
struggling
to
make
car
payments,
so
the
more
we
can
avoid
having
to
force
someone
to
buy
a
car,
that's
a
pro
I'm
just
trying
to
educate
myself
on
this
particular
scenario.
A
So
there
are,
I
think,
the
club.
Well,
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
closest
stop,
but
the
the
ones
that
we've
been
looking
at
are
the
ones
east
of
the
project
along
west
haywood
up
to
clingman
is
that
right,
klingman,
yes,.
D
A
Those
are
probably
the
the
stops
that
we
would
expect.
I
think,
there's
some
more
like
southeast
of
the
site,
but
those
are
the
ones
that
would
be
provide
the
best
connection,
and
that
is
why
it
was
suggested
that
the
applicant
consider
adding
a
pedestrian
crossing.
A
Let
me
go
back
to
the
aerial,
so
we
want
to
try
to
get
a
crossing
from
the
project
area
too.
There's
a
nice
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
of
hilliard
that
leads
to
those
transit
stops,
so
we
were
trying
to
get
people
safely
across
in
order
to
get
them
easy
access
to
the
transit,
and
we
just
hadn't
decided,
as
I
mentioned,
if
the
if
the
crossing
should
occur,
maybe
up
here
or
if
it
should
be,
maybe
down
here
closer
to
the
door.
B
B
That
was
a
long
time
ago
when
that
project
was
built,
it's
further
down
clingman,
and
I
don't
know
that
you
could
really
get
from
this
project
to
there
because
jefferson
drive
is
you
know
a
dead
end
and
wouldn't
get
you
down
to
clingman,
so
really
the
the
closest
stops
would
be
there
at
hilliard
in
clingman.
Commissioner.
I
I
Thank
you.
I
just
have
two
questions
so
for
the
23
units
that
are
dedicated
to
housing,
choice
vouchers
will
those
be
specifically
reserved
for
housing,
choice,
vouchers
or
is
that
a
first-come,
first-served
basis
and
then
also
during
the
presentation
by
mr
combs?
He
mentioned
that
you
know
based
on
research,
there's
about
4
000
single
mothers
within
the
city
of
asheville.
O
D
O
That's
an
interesting
question
you're
asking
about
why
not
do
more
two
and
three
bedroom
units.
O
F
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
the
parking
for
a
second,
because
that
is
something
that
I
noticed
originally
too,
that
there's
45
units
but
55
parking
spaces,
there's
no
way
that
that
many
people
are
going
to
have
a
car.
You
know
if
you
look
at
the
ami
in
the
state
of
north
carolina.
F
Very
low
income
is
26
000,
there's
no
way
that
somebody
making
26
000
is
going
to
be
able
to
afford
this
rent
and
afford
their
car.
You
know
you're
looking
at
like
1.2
cars
per
unit,
so
my
suggestion
would
be
to
take
some
of
those
parking
spaces
away
and
maybe
put
like
bike
lockers
in
there,
because
you
may
be
looking
at
a
lot
of
people
who
are
maybe
riding
a
bike
as
well,
and
so
they
may
need
a
spot
to
lock
up
their
bike.
F
Instead,
I
mean
I
didn't,
have
a
car.
I
was
25
years
old,
working
downtown,
a
young
professional.
You
know,
I
think,
we're
looking
at
like
a
lot
of
the
the
wrong
people
here
that
we're
actually
thinking
we
may
even
live
here.
It's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
young
professionals
living
downtown
working
in
the
service
industry.
F
F
So
we
really
have
to
like
rethink
the
kind
of
person
that
we're
we're
bringing
into
this
affordable
housing.
They're
not
gonna,
have
a
car
they're
gonna
be
walking
to
their
job
downtown
or
taking
the
bus
somewhere
in
the
downtown
area.
Maybe
down
merriman,
maybe
down
the
patton,
or
maybe
they
have
a.
D
O
Sure,
that's
a
that's
a
great
question:
we've
gone
back
and
forth
about
parking
from
the
very
beginning.
The
neighborhood
has
been
so
clear
with
us
that
there's
no
scenario
where
they
want
to
see
parking
on
west
haywood
street
and
there's
not
enough
spaces.
If
you
only
do
surface
parking
for
the
the
residents
that
will
have
cars,
that's
why
the
buildings
on
the
podium
to
have
parking,
underneath,
I
do
think,
you're
right,
since
there
will
be
some
folks
that
can't
afford
parking.
There
are
two
required
bike
racks
that
we'll
have
on
site.
O
B
Yeah,
I
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
up
as
well.
Commissioner
bubenik,
I
know
we've
had
discussions
on
on
many
other
previous
projects
regarding
parking
minimums
and
things
like
that
and
and
miss
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
I
mean
a
normal
project
like
this
now
we're
in
the
technically
in
the
cbd,
and
you
don't
have
to
require.
There
is
no
requirement
for
off
street
parking
correct.
A
Yeah
so
so.
A
Straight
five
per
it's,
it's
different,
it's
you
know
so
asheville
does
a
minimum
and
a
maximum
range,
and
it's
based
on
the
number
of
bedrooms.
So
it's
one
space
minimum
for
a
one
or
two
bedroom,
two
space
minimum
for
a
three
bedroom
up
to
two
spaces
per
one
or
two
bedroom
and
three
spaces
per
three
bedroom.
L
Thank
you,
miss
tuck.
Could
we
go
back
to
the
site
plan
showing
the
parking
level
I
wanted
to?
I
guess
put
a
fine
point
on
what
my
fellow
commissioners
bubbinic
and
levi
mentioned,
so
it
in
my
opinion,
55
parking
spaces
is
also
over
parked
it.
It
also
appears,
if
you
compare
this
to
the
building
floor
plan.
If
the
elevator
goes
down
it's
not
all
of
this
parking
is
going
to
be
available.
Q
Yeah
so
hi
ward
griffin,
here
that
there
is
actually
some
reconciliation,
that's
being
done
with
this
parking
layout
and
the
the
the
footprint
with
the
architecture.
Above
that
there
will
be.
The
elevator
will
open
directly
into
the
garage
area
down
there
without
a
large
lobby.
So
there
and
then
the
staircase
entrance
will
be
separate
from.
D
Q
L
Okay,
thank
you
and
yeah
to
revisit
the
previous
comment
by
commissioner
levi,
the
location
of
the
handicap
accessible
parking
spaces.
You
know
it's
a
fine
point.
I
know
these
are
conceptual
plans,
but
would
likely
need
to
shift
close
to
the
elevator,
and
I
bring
that
up
because
there's
a
couple
of
mentions
of
handicap
parking,
one
is
in
the
conditions.
The
proposed
conditions
number
six
says
that
two
handicap
parking
spaces
will
be
required.
Three
are
shown
on
the
plan.
L
I
think
that,
as
I
read
the
udo
it's
a
minimum
of
two
would
be
required,
so
I
would
advocate
just
putting
in
that
word
minimum.
You
know,
because
it
may,
honestly,
by
the
time
this
these
floor
plans
go
through
permitting.
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
four
handicap
parking
spaces
are
required.
You
know,
depending
on
how
many
type
a
units
you
end
up
having
and
so.
I
L
F
Thank
you
just
an
idea
you
could
also,
along
with
the
bike
lockers,
which
I
think
bike
racks
are
great,
but
they
fights
get
stolen
off
of
them.
F
So
I
think
bike
lockers
are
better,
but
you
could
also
maybe
build
some
storage
lockers
down
there,
because
people
do
have
a
lot
of
stuff
and
they
can't
always
put
it
in
these
apartments.
So
you
know
if
they
have
them
downstairs,
they
could
store
some
stuff
down
there.
So
just
a
thought,
if
you
could
turn
some
of
these
parking
spots
into
storage,
lockers
or
bike
lockers
that
way,
people
don't
have
all
their
stuff
off
in
a
storage
facility,
and
then
they
have
no
car
to
drive
over
to
it.
L
Thank
you
chair.
I
had
a.
I
forgot.
I
had
another
revisiting
of
of
a
comment
of
commissioner
simmons.
I
the
the
voucher
acceptance.
I
think
I
heard
mr
combs
say
something
that's
actually
stronger
than
what
is
presented
in
the
conditions,
and
that
would
be
that
the
51
of
the
units
reserved
for
voucher
holders.
L
Typically,
you
know
we
approve
projects
that
will
accept.
You
know,
because
voucher
acceptance
is
not
legally
required
of
landlords.
So
I
would
advocate
that
we
memorialize
this.
You
know
deep
commitment
to
voucher
holders
by
by
inserting
the
strong
language
that
mr
cones
use
that
those
would
be
reserved
for
and
then
I
would
also
ask
the
applicant.
Is
it
your
intention
that
vouchers
could
be
accepted
at
100
of
the
units
in
this
development,
understanding
that
the
section
8
rent
levels
cover
an
80
ami
rent?
O
Sure,
that's
a
that's
a
great
observation.
Yes,
I'm
very
comfortable,
reserving
the
30
ami
units
and
absolutely
the
60
and
80
percent
could
accept
vouchers
as
well.
Interestingly
enough,
one
of
the
things
you
talk
a
lot
about
with
these
affordable
housing
developments,
especially
the
deeply
affordable
ones,
is
again.
How
do
you
make
it
pencil
and
the
ceiling
of
the
rent
that
you
can
charge
for
vouchers
holders
has
been
increased,
so
voucher
holders
actually
create
more
revenue.
O
That
would
allow
us
to
do
more
programming
and
hire
more
staff
if
we
accepted
them,
but
again,
the
30
ami
group.
That's
our
primary
focus
in
this
project,
but
certainly
this
60
and
80
percent.
We
could
accept
vouchers
for
those
residents
as
well.
B
I
guess
what
I
would
ask
reverend
combs
and-
and
you
can
think
about
this-
I
don't
need
an
answer.
You
know
right
this
second,
but
I
think
what
commissioner
barton
is
proposing
is
that
and
we
need
you
know,
to
make
a
change
to
the
project
conditions.
We
would
need
your
approval.
What
he's
proposing
is
that
we
I'm
looking
over
this.
I
think
we
would
end
up
adding
another
line
and
miss
tuck.
A
I
don't,
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to,
but
we
certainly
could.
L
I'll
defer
to
staff
on
how
this
is
typically
placed
in
the
conditions.
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
newer
thing
that
the
conditions
acknowledge
voucher
acceptance,
so
I
would
certainly
defer
to
staff.
It
was
more.
I
was
hoping
the
applicant
could
clarify
their
intent
around
voucher
acceptance
being
the
entire
property.
B
Sounds
like
having
you
know
slightly
changing
what
is
condition
12
d
to
read.
You
know
that
those
would
be
reserved
for
housing
choice
vouchers.
It
certainly
sounds
like
that
is
something
that
reverend
comes.
Combs
is
amenable
to,
and
I
think
that
more
more
than
all
capture
is
what
we're.
What
we're
going
for.
C
This
is
a
question
for
the
reverend.
Maybe
this
is
an
idiot
question,
but
it
sounds
like
then.
The
the
the
church
and
the
group
behind
this
is
planning
on
having
a
continual
presence
or
continual
interactions
with
this
facility,
or
is
it
going
to
be
stand-alone
managed
by
itself
I
mean:
what's
the
relationship
going
to
look
like
five
years
from
now?
Is
there
a
vision
for
that
or
a
plan.
O
Sure
that's
a
great
question.
This
is
not
a
proposal
that
we
intend
to
build
and
walk
away
from
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we've
been
so
invested
in
the
neighborhood
engagement
process.
We
intend
to
be
a
part
of
this
development
as
long
as
it
exists,
and
that's
why
we
created
a
separate
non-profit.
O
I
do
want
to
be
clear,
however,
that
this
building,
especially
the
community
space,
is
not
intended
to
be
an
auxiliary
for
the
downtown
welcome
table
for
a
respite
program,
clothing,
closet.
None
of
that
would
happen
in
this
building.
However,
it
is
an
extension
of
how
we
feel
called
to
be
in
the
world
and
affordable
housings
and
natural
growth
of
from
working
with
people
in
poverty,
and
we
intend
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
definitely
and
that's
why
we're
the
developer
and
would
be
the
owner.
C
O
F
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
what
commissioner
faircloth
asked.
So
what
what's
the
property
management
role
then,
as
far
as
how
are
they
going
to
take
the
people
who
are
interested?
If
I
was
interested
in
renting
a
spot
here
in
this
apartment?
F
O
O
Whoever
is
the
best
fit
is
who
would
be
moved
to
the
front
line,
so
there
would
be
no
expectation
that
you
would
have
any
relationship
with
what
happens
across
the
street.
It's
also
significant
to
name
that
in
asheville
there
is
a
very
appropriate
skepticism
about
all
things:
institutional,
especially
the
church
and
there's
there
will
be
no
worship
services.
There
will
be
no
evangelism.
That's
that's
in
no
way
part
of
how
we
want
to
do
affordable
housing.
So,
let's
just
say
you
were
very
clear
and
saying:
I
want
nothing
to
do
with
church.
O
B
And
I
guess
maybe
to
follow
up
with
that,
commissioner
bubenik
and
reverend
combs,
I
mean.
C
B
D
O
That's
absolutely
right
if
we're
going
to
accept
vouchers,
and
that
comes
along
with
all
kinds
of
federal
regulations.
It's
worth
mentioning
that
the
vast
majority
of
deeply
affordable
housing
across
the
country
is
run
by
faith-based
non-profits,
because
the
margins
are
so
slim.
You
need
to
have
organizations
that
are
called
to
the
mission
of
this.
Typically,
the
residents
that
are
deeply
affordable
are
considered
too
high
risk
for
other
groups,
but
it's
usually
church
groups
that
raise
their
hand
and
say
the
money
is
not
important
to
us.
O
F
D
F
I
know
how
the
laws
work,
so
I
fly
through
the
management
company
and
I
get
a
place
and
then
I
come
downstairs.
I
check
my
mail
and
then
there's
a
big
sign
for
the
coke
drive
or
there's
a
big
sign
for
your
mission.
How
do
I
know
that?
That's
not
going
to
happen.
O
B
I've
got
a
few
technical
questions
and
I'm
just
gonna
kind
of
list
these
off
and
and
I'm
gonna
guess
that
mr
griffin
and
I
believe
it
was
mr
canard,
I
think
you
said
reverend
combs-
that
was
part
of
the
site,
site
and
landscape.
So
one
is,
and
again
I
understand
that
these
are
pretty
conceptual
first
floor
plans.
B
Pedestrian
entrance,
I'm
going
to
imagine,
is
going
to
be
located
if
I'm
looking
at
the
plans
page
right,
which
would
be
you
know,
facing
towards
west
haywood,
you
know
hilliard
in
other
words
down
street,
so
yeah,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
elevation
kind
of
page
right
or
that
looks
like
miss
tuck
was
kind
of
highlighting
that
front
door
that
little
small
door
right
there.
Another
question
is
regarding
miss
tuck.
B
B
Another
question
would
be
regarding
the
dumpsters.
I
think
I
saw
on
the
trc
review
that
it
was
going
to
be
a
private
dumpster
private
trash
collection,
as
opposed
to
city,
which
I
would
assume,
given
you
know
the
location
and
then
the
last
one
has
to
do
with
the
bike
parking.
I
appreciate
commissioner
bubenick
bringing
up
the
idea
of
bike
lockers.
My
comment
had
to
do
more
with
the
the
location
of
the
bike.
Rack
in
front
of
the
building
kind
of
there
looks
like
it's
right
across
from
jefferson
street.
B
B
You
know
you're
impeding
part
of
the
sidewalk,
then
you've
got
the
bikes
there
and
there's
certainly
more
risk
for
being
damaged,
stolen,
etc,
etc,
and
I'm
wondering
if
there
might
be
a
better
placement
either
just
kind
of
tucked
around
the
side
or
or
again.
I
think
the
bike
lockers
is
a
great
idea,
but
you
know
just
the
consideration
of
perhaps
where
that
particular
bike
rack
is.
I
think
is
certainly
important
so
and
I'll.
Let
you
guys
answer
those
questions.
Q
I'll
I'll
take
a
stab
at
these
first
couple
lines
and
let
john
maybe
jump
in
on
the
other
ones.
I
know
that
we
do
have
that
that
single
door
pedestrian
entrance
shown
on
the
street
too.
Q
I
think
that
we
also
envision
an
entrance
the
right
hand
side
of
the
street
level
of
the
building,
that
is,
that
is
really
the
community
space,
and
I
think
that
we
envision
that
having
an
also
primary
entrance
into
a
main
kind
of
welcoming
lobby
there
as
well
off
that
little
and
see
what
looks
like
a
patio
right,
there
that'll
serve
as
an
additional
entrance
into
that
community
space.
Q
We're
still
laying
out
that
space,
but
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
secondary
entrance.
Those
double
doors
off
the
main
corridor
would
be
fog
controlled.
Just
like
the
pedestrian
door
off
the
street
would
be
as
well
as
the
elevator
would
be
down
there.
The
dumpster
area
would
be
private,
it
would
not
be
city
and
then,
as
far
as
the
bike
parking
goes,
I
you
know.
Q
I
think
that
we're
going
to
be
as
promoting
of
of
racks
and
locations
and
wherever
we
can
fit
those
in
as
possible
and
certainly
open
some
suggestion
of
additional
or
relocation
of
some
of
those
racks,
the
retaining
wall
height
I'll,
in
particular
I'll
turn
over
to
to
john.
R
Yeah
good
evening,
john
john
kennard
with
brooks
engineering
that
retaining
wall
at
its
highest
is
about
six
feet
and
then
it
kind
of
tapers
off
to
each
end.
I'd
say
it
probably
averages
around
four
feet
over
the
length
of
it.
B
Okay
thanks,
I
didn't
figure,
it
was
very
tall.
I
was
just
kind
of
curious.
You
know
there
was
no
note
notation
of
it
on
there.
So
and
you
know,
and
regarding
the
reason
I
bring
up
the
the
entrance,
is
you
know
we
always
when
we're
looking
at
buildings
like
this
and
and
I
still
to
this
day,
remember
a
review
in
architecture
school
where
a
professor,
just
at
the
top
of
his
lungs,
was
yelling.
I
cannot
see
the
bleeping
front
door
like
you
know.
You
want
to
have
a
front
door.
B
You
need
an
entrance
that
says
where
the
entrance
is
and
kind
of.
When
I
look
at
this
building,
I'm
I
was
looking
at
I'm
going.
I
guess
it's
this
door,
you
know
it's
it's
one
of
those
that
where
that
entrance
is
defines
it,
and
I
can
certainly
understand
some
concerns,
as
far
as
you
know,
neighborhood
safety
resident
safety
and
that,
but
there
still
needs
to
be
an
entrance
that
says
this
is
the
entrance
to
my
home,
especially.
B
Building
where
you
don't
have
those
individual
entrances,
so
that's
all
I
say
that's
why
I
was
was
curious
and
it
seemed
more
especially
if
you
were
gonna
have
like
you
know
on-site
project
management
there
that
there
would
need
to
be
probably
something
more
than
just
a
single
little
door.
That's.
D
B
Q
And
that's
that's
all
to
be
incorporated
in
the
management
space
in
offices
all
to
be
incorporated
in
that
community
level.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
been
really
important
to
brian
and
one
of
the
things
when
we've
visited,
affordable
housing
projects
in
asheville
and
gibbons
and
in
other
states
is
just
a
dramatic
and
very
welcoming
non-um
institutional
feeling,
welcoming
entrance
for
the
residents.
But
that
being
said,
we
also
want
to
give
residents
that
want
a
more
private
and
you
know
not
having
to
go
through
a
community
area
space
to
get
into.
B
Okay
thanks,
commissioner.
Q
L
Now,
thank
you.
I
think
it's
very
relevant
to
the
technical
questions
you're
asking,
because
I
had
a
question
about
the
site
just
to
revisit
the
street
tree
rates
with
mr
canard
and
mr
griffin.
L
What
what
set
the
building
pad
location
you
know
was
there?
Was
there
a
previous
alternative
or
any
alternatives
explored
that
would
have
pushed
it
a
little
further
away
from
the
sidewalk?
Maybe
you
know
kept
a
planting
strip
or-
or
was
this
just
so
tight,
because
you
know
the
utilities
are
where
they
are,
but
the
building
pad
is
something
that
this
project
is
setting.
So
what
what
kind
of
established
where
that
building
pad
would
be.
R
Yeah,
I
can
start
on
that
and
rob
dull
is
also
here
and
may
chime
in,
but
we've
looked
at
a
lot
of
alternatives
on
this
site,
as
you
can
imagine
for
affordable
housing.
Construction
costs
are
hugely
important.
We
we
had
one
the
first
layout
actually
had
the
parking
lot
in
the
front.
The
building
to
the
rear
we've
gone
through
a
lot
of
iterations,
and
this
has
been
what
we
feel
is
the
most
aesthetically
pleasing,
but
also
you
know,
affordable
for
construction.
R
R
R
Interestingly
enough,
those
trees
probably
should
never
have
been
planted,
they're
directly
on
top
of
a
large
water
line,
the
city,
the
city,
would
never
allow
that
in
these
these
days,
so
yeah
definitely
definitely
a
lot
of
the
issues
to
overcome
when
it
relates
to
the
building
location
and
the
tree
locations.
K
K
That's
that's
the
driver.
That's
sort
of
pushing
these
up
against
the
building.
In
the
past,
we've
we've
been
able
to
work
with
kevin
and
the
msb
folks.
I
think
I
got
him
to
let
me
get
four
feet
into
a
sewer
easement
on
a
downtown
infield
project.
So
I
don't
know
if
they'll
be
that
liberal
on
this
one,
but
you
know
I
mean
we're
certainly
willing
to
have
that
conversation.
K
K
Not
to
have
to
have
them
against
the
building,
but
you
know
I'd
rather
have
street
trees
against
a
building
than
not
have
street
trees
and
go
to
like
a
planter
type
scenario.
Where
I
think
you
you
start
to
lose
the
effect
of
the
canopy
and,
as
john
said
too,
we
looked
pretty
hard
at
like.
Was
there
any
way
to
save
the
three
trees
that
are
out
there?
K
But,
like
you
said
one,
you
know
they're
they're,
really
too
close
to
the
edge
of
the
road
and
and
the
idea
of
being
able
to
protect
those
trees
during
any
portion
of
construction,
I
think,
is
a
is
a
real
long
shot.
But
again
it's
good
to
hear
all
this.
You
know
because
it
it
gives
us
some
homework
to
look
into.
B
Follow-Up
question
on
that,
mr
dull,
so
you
did,
it
sounds
like
you
did
or
did
not
look
into
alternatives
to
the
to
the
street
trees,
because
you
know
we
just
reviewed
a
project
granted
completely
different,
different
part
of
town
different.
You
know
many
years
ago,
where
you
know
it
was.
B
It
was
allowed
to
replace
street
trees
with
planters,
and
I
know
instances
like
this
have
come
up
before
and
I
know
the
you
know.
The
tree
ordinance
has
been
revised
with
the
silver
cells
and
various
things
to
try
to
address
some
of
these
problems.
We've
been
seeing
with
you
know
street
trees
being
planted
and
too
small
a
tree
great
too
close
to
the
road
too
close
to
a
building
things
like
that.
So
I
mean
I
granted.
B
Trees
are
great
you're,
not
gonna,
get
a
canopy
from
a
planted
wall
or
a
planter.
However,
I'd
almost
rather
see
that
than
see
a
dead
street
tree
in
three
years,
so
I'm
just
curious
as
to
what
you
did
explore
and
and
or
what
other
options
there
may
be,
that
haven't.
D
K
Sure
so
these
trees
actually
will
be
in
silva
cells,
they're
long
linear
silver
cells
that
some
of
these
trees
will
actually
share
silver
cells.
I
D
K
Sort
of
I'm
I'm
speaking
for
kevin
at
msd
right
now,
because
we
were
we
worked
through
this.
Just
not
you
know
a
month
or
two
ago
on
another
project
and
came
to
a
really
good
solution
to
be
able
to
not
have
to
go
the
planter
route.
Every
time
we
sort
of
save
the
planter
route,
we
sort
of
feel
like
city
staff
would
prefer
not
to
have
to
do
that
because,
like
you
said
you
do
immediately
then
limit.
K
You
know
what
what
species
list
you
can
actually
put
in
that
planter-
and
you
know
I
mean
I
think,
we've
seen
this
be
successful,
especially
with
the
silva.
So
if.
K
B
Okay,
great.
Thank
thanks,
mr
doll.
I
appreciate
that
I
have
one
other
question
and
it
kind
of
relates
just
you
know
overall
general,
and
it's
probably
best
for
for
reverend
combs.
I
know
it
came,
has
has
come
up
a
little
bit
and
certainly
you
know
was
mentioned
in
the
bowen
report
and
has
been
mentioned
in
the
bone
report.
For
you
know,
ad
infinitum,
you
know,
affordable
housing
for
sale
units
are
also
a
hugely
needed.
B
You
know
product
in
in
our
area,
and
you
know
I
certainly
know
in
my
experience
you
know
being
in
the
construction
industry.
I
mean
that
is
you're
talking.
D
B
A
different
scale
of
building
a
different
scale
of
cost
to
do
either
individual
or
even
row
house
type
or
even
a
condo
type
building.
I
presume
that
you
guys
consider
that
an
hcd
you
know
consider
that,
but
I'm
just
curious
as
to
how
much
and
and
kind
of
where
you
ended
up,
drawing
the
line
with
with
going
with
the
rental
versus
the
ownership
model.
O
O
The
density
is
a
convincing
factor,
interestingly
enough
in
all
of
our
years
on
the
street.
What
we
have
heard
so
many
people
say
especially
their
unhoused
or
housed.
Insecurely
is
all
I
want
is
a
place
to
call
home
and
actually
home
ownership
would
add
another
layer.
Layer
of
stress
that
I
simply
don't
want.
I
want
someone
else
to
pay
attention
to
the
hole
in
the
sheetrock.
O
There
is
a
large
segment
of
folks
that
are
housing
insecure,
that
just
want
a
turnkey
place
to
call
home
and
let
someone
else
handle
all
the
upkeep
of
the
house,
whereas
with
homeownership
you're
cutting
the
grass
you're
painting
the
walls
you're
doing
all
those
things,
no
question
both
are
needed,
but
but
in
in
our
experience,
the
the
rental
model
is
actually
far
more
needed
right
now,.
B
C
B
Or
not
so
yes,
commissioner,
hoke,
please.
N
Thank
you,
reverend
columns
for
the
presentation
I
mean,
looks
like
a
a
great
product,
and
then
you
mentioned
about
the
the
land
being.
I
guess
the
the
prop
product
itself
being
deeded
as
can't
be.
You
know,
as
a
market
to
extra
cost
in
them,
and
and
thank
you
thank
you
for
that.
That
makes
it
makes
sense,
and-
and
I
believe
it's
you
know
it's
something
that's
well
needed.
I
wish
it
would
be.
These
will
be
in
place
versus
the
hotels,
but
you
know
it's
still.
N
You
know
it's
still
a
a
mark
of
of
beginning
that
you
know
we
find
more
land
to
continue
to
do
this,
but
you
know
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
You
know
a
lot
of
questions
and
concerns,
but
you
know
everyone
has
a.
You
know
a
point
of
view,
but
let
me
just
thank
y'all
and
your
team
for
working
on
this.
This
project.
B
All
right,
it
is
now
7
21,
and
we
still
have
public
comment,
and
perhaps
you
know
responses
to
those
questions.
I'm
going
to
ask
my
fellow
commissioners:
do
any
of
you
want
need
a
five
minute
break,
or
should
we
just
keep
going
show
of
hands
break
yes
or.
D
B
Okay,
all
right,
so
I
know
that
we
had
a
request
from
some
public
comment.
I'm
gonna
open
public
comment
at
7
22.
miss
tuck.
Do
you
want
to
cue
in
the
public
comment.
A
Yeah,
I
we
don't
have
to
necessarily
do
it
in
this
order,
but
we
did
get
some
advance
notice
that
there
was
a
organized
presentation
and
we
got
affidavits
from
at
least
three
residents
who
are
seeding
their
time
to
sam
craig,
who
is
an
attorney
who's
prepared,
a
presentation.
So
mr
craig
is
in
the
meeting,
and
I
can
pull
up
his
presentation
and
I
think
we
maybe
we
want
to
start
public
comment
there.
If
that
is
amenable
to
the
commission,.
B
Okay
and
and
I'll
make
a
clarification,
so
you
know
previously
when
we
were
meeting
in
person,
public
comments
were
limited
to
three
minutes
per
person.
We
allowed
up
to
10
minutes
per
group.
If
three
excuse
me,
if
two
or
was
it
two
or
more.
F
B
Or
more
people
seeded
their
time?
We
would
allow
that,
since
we've
gone
to
the
remote
meeting,
that
has
been
hard
to
manage
and
we
had
a
request
for
this,
and
so
basically
what
we
did
is
we
requested
that
you
know
that
this
this
group
presented
an
affidavit
that
said
that
these
people
were
seeing
their
time,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clarification
that
you
know
this
is
not
something
we
just
cobbled
together
at
the
last
minute.
B
This
is,
you
know
we're
trying
to
find
a
as
we're
doing
these
remote
meetings
find
a
way
to
still
honor
what
we
used
to
do
with
public
comment.
So
with
that
said,
mr
craig,
please
go
ahead.
S
S
My
name
is
sam
craig,
I'm
an
attorney
in
town,
I'm
going
to
roll
through
these
I'm
going
to
keep
you
on
your
toes.
Our
little
group
is
refers
to
themselves,
as
we
can
too
I'll
address
that
in
a
moment.
Channel
next
slide.
Please.
S
And
so
we
can
is
this
area
right
here
and
it's
referred
to
in
several
of
the
plans
like
the
rep
earlier
reference
2010,
we
can
plan
240
on
the
north
river
on
the
left,
klingman
rolling
down
the
side
there
we
can
two
is
a
group
of
a
little
over
30
of
the
property
owners
and
residents
in
in
the
weekend
area
in
the
residential
area,
so
that
this
is
the
general
area
of
we
can
next
slide.
Please.
S
And
this
is
the
zoning
map
for
that
area,
and
you
can
see
it's
primarily
yellow
and
there's
a
little
bit
of
orange
there,
but
those
are
the
residential,
mostly
rem,
eight,
the
brown
down
there
is
the
river
arts
district,
and
I
appreciate
the
chair
person's
earlier
references.
I
am
a
pretty
technical
person
and
I'm
going
to
focus
on
ordinances
and
technical
things.
S
So
next
slide
please,
but
this
right
here
is
a
little
bit
about
a
weekend,
and
I
I'm
putting
it
in
here
for
a
reason:
it's
one
of
the
oldest
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
It's
been
nominated
for
national
register
of
historic
districts.
S
It's
got
is
characterized
by
curving
streets,
small
lots,
small
houses
has
a
diverse
population
and
the
this
neighborhood
plan,
2010
neighborhood
plan,
was
adopted
by
the
city
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
pulled
out
of
that
was
that
you
know
there
was
a
quote
down
there,
that
it
would
the
neighborhood
wanted
to
kind
of
basically
be
left
alone.
We
all
know
that
that
can't
really
happen,
but
that
was
that's
kind
of
their
preference
and
that
is
exhibited
in
that
plan
too.
S
Next
slide,
please,
and
so
here
are
the
creature
streets
of
of
the
weekend
area,
and
I
just
highlighted
the
ones
just
in
the
residential
area.
There
are
other
streets
there,
obviously,
and
I
kind
of
look
at
it
as
a
like
a
creature
with
a
either
a
no
head
or
a
pointy
head
arms
reaching
out
to
hillyard
legs.
Those
are
dead,
end
streets
down
there
as
well
jefferson
park
and
then
kind
of
a
bushy
tail.
S
That's
basically
chicken
hill,
and
I
I'm
going
to
contend
that
these
streets
and
the
streets
around
this
area
are
extremely
important
and
you'll
basically
see.
Although
there
are
some
exits
down
to
the
west
down
toward
the
river,
the
primary
primarily
the
traffic
is
focused
and
funneled
into
hilliard,
coming
out
onto
clenglin
from
this
fairly
large
residential
area
and
oh
by
the
way,
there's
the
the
bus
shop
has
also
can
leads
to
some
of
that
traffic
too.
Next
slide.
S
Please-
and
here
are
the
proposed
lots
for
that
are
being
proposed
for
change
relative
to
those
streets,
and
I
will
get
more
into
that
in
just
a
moment.
Next
slide,
please.
But
what
they're
talking
about
on
this
proposal
is
it's
currently
cb
one
and
basically
getting
to
cb2
conditional
zoning,
but
to
get
cb2
conditional
zoning
kind
of
gotta
pass
through
cb2
as
well,
and
so
I'm
going
to
look
at
cb2
and
then
I'll
get
to
the
cz
part
of
it,
but
I
contend
that
this
is
about
zoning.
S
This
is
about
whether
this
proposed
change,
for
these
lots
complies
with
the
zoning
ordinances.
That's
what
this
is
about.
It's
it's.
You
know
it
does
address
affordable
housing
by
doubling
the
density.
The
ordinances
do
allow
doubling
of
the
density,
but
it's
not
about
affordable
housing.
It's
not
about
the
city's
financial
contribution,
it's
not
about
the
developers
ability
to
make
money
which
he
referenced
earlier.
It's
not
about
that.
S
It's
about
zoning
and
my
clients
don't
have
anything
against
affordable
housing,
they're
they're,
a
cool
group
of
people
they
they're,
not
anti-affordable
housing.
They
live
in
a
neighborhood.
They
live
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
going
to
be
dramatically
affected
by
this
proposed
change.
Next
slide,
please!
S
I
have
I've
represented
a
number
of
governmental
entities
in
the
past
and
I
also
represent
another
number
of
people
in
these
in
this
kind
of
situation
and
in
any
review
of
any
ordinances
or
any
proposal.
I
contend
that
context
is
important.
Next
slide,
please
and
so
context
for
the
development
ordinance
I
can
tell
them
is
712
the
purpose
and
it
actually
lays
out
and
it
goes
on
and
on
and
on.
S
I
won't
say
I
cherry
picked,
but
I
did
pull
a
few
out
because
the
moment
just
not
applicable
does
it
goes
on
and
on
and
on,
but
I
believe
that
is
context
for
your
consideration
of
these
proposals:
a
balance
of
the
rights
for
the
community,
lessening
congestion
of
the
streets,
preventing
overcrowding
of
land,
conserving
historic
resources,
conserving
the
heritage
of
the
city
of
asheville
next
slide.
S
Please,
community
business
community
business,
one
district
cv1:
these
are
elements
that
are
in
the
ordinances,
so
there
is
to
provide
medium
density,
business
and
services
that
serve
several
residential
neighborhoods
should
be
sensitive
to
significant
pedestrian
population
should
provide
for
adequate
and
safe
vehicular
access
and
is
designed
to
be
primarily
along
streets
which
serve
multiple
residential
neighborhoods.
S
I
contend
that
this
probably
doesn't
meet
that
last
requirement,
but
we're
not
trying
to
revisit
whether
it's
cb1,
but
I
think
it
is
important
about
what
cb1
requires
first,
okay,
so
let's
go
to
the
next
slide
and
here's
cb2
and
it
says
medium
to
high
density
and
since
this
proposal
is
to
exceed
even
cb2
density,
I'd
certainly
say
it's
considered
high
density.
S
S
There
is
no
condition
that
would
allow
these
streets,
these
creature
streets
of
weekend
to
be
considered
either
a
even
a
minor
thoroughfare
street.
But
let's
see
what
a
thoroughfare
is
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
this.
The
definition
section
of
the
ordinances
do
not
define
thoroughfare,
but
they
talk
about
a
thoroughfare
plan
and
talk
about
the
development
of
existing
and
proposed
major
streets
again.
S
I
don't
believe
that
the
streets
that
go
wind
around
the
curving
and
steep
streets
of
the
weekend
area
in
any
way
can
consist
of
major
streets
of
the
city
next
side
slide.
Please
and
again,
context
is
important
in
the
ordinances
they
have
a
rules
of
construction,
one
of
the
ones
the
first
one
there
it
talks
about.
The
provisions
of
this
chapter
shall
be
construed
or
will
be
construed
to
be
the
minimum
requirements
to
promote
the
purposes
that
we
referenced
earlier.
S
The
second
one
all
words
carry
their
standard.
The
standard
dictionary
meetings
meanings.
So
what
where?
What?
Where
would
we
go
to
look
for
that?
Of
course,
we
would
hold
those
I
gotta
cut
in
my
myself
here:
okay
yeah,
we
would
look
into
google,
so
I
googled
it
if
next
slide,
please
so
here's
some
definitions,
I
pulled
up
from
google
about
what
a
thoroughfare
is.
It's
a
street
open
at
both
ends
a
main
road
considering
the
streets
of
we
can
they.
S
I
guess
you
could
say
that
they
are
open
at
both
ends
if
you
get
down
through
down
to
chicken
hill,
but
it's
not
a
main
road
and
a
second
a
road
that
leads
at
each
end
to
another
street,
a
major
road
or
highway.
Again,
I
contend
that
there
is
no
way
that
the
streets
of
we
can
can
be
considered
a
thoroughfare
by
being
stretch
of
the
imagination
next
slide,
please,
there
is
just
no
way
that
this
proposal,
even
with
conditional
zoning,
would
meet
this
requirement.
S
You
cannot
conditionally
zone
these
streets
to
be
something
they
are
not.
They
are
not
thoroughfares.
You
can
conditionally
zone
around
it
and
say
magically
that
they
are
okay.
Well,
we're
just
going
to
take
that
away,
but
that
defeats
the
very
purpose
of
these
ordinances.
Remember
these
are
minimum
standards.
Recognizing
conditional
zoning
allows
flexibility,
but
these
are
minimum
standards
for
cb2
they
are
supposed
to
be.
They
are
supposed
to
be
on
thoroughfares
next
slide.
Please
again,
there
you
see
those
in
the
neighborhood
it's
right
across
the
street
from
residentials
next
slide
b.
S
Please
again,
this
going
back
to
just
repeating
some
of
the
stuff
I
did
earlier
along
major
minor
thoroughfares.
You
see
there
on
cb2.
There
has
been
no
next
slide.
Please,
there
has
been
no
traffic
study.
Now
I
don't
see
how
they
would
not.
I
understand
they
made
some
mention
that
it
was
too
expensive.
S
This
is
a
big
deal,
considering
they're
supposed
to
be
a
long,
a
thoroughfare,
and
they
have
not
even
done
a
traffic.
Stop
next
slide.
Please.
S
I
understand
if
you
would
go
to
the
next
slide
and
we're
gonna
take
a
closer
look
here:
the
streets
they
read
out
to
that
intersection
to
the
right,
which
is
congestion
next
slide,
please
and
then
go
to
the
next
one.
You
can
see
there.
This
is
just
a
photograph
from
the
city's
gis
that
shows
traffic
next
slide.
Please
and
then
there
the
sidewalks
also
lead
directly
into
what
I
consent
are
two
of
the
most
congested
and
pedestrian
unfriendly
things
in
the
town
next
slide,
please.
S
I
do
want
to
quickly
cover
the
difference
between
cb1
cb2
and
conditional
zoning.
As
proposed
you
can
see
there.
The
40
per
acre,
6,
000
square
foot,
12
000
square
feet,
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
cb2,
without
even
the
conditional
zoning
is
a
you
can
see
the
increase
there,
125
220
375,
those
are
increases
that
are
dramatic.
I
contend
and
next
slide
please
and
then
conditional
zoning.
You
allows
flexibility.
I
will
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
and
there's
the
proposal
100.
I
actually
had
46.
S
So
it
was
a
mistake
on
my
part:
that's
128
percent
increase,
but
the
others
are
correct.
208
percent
408
percent
next
slide.
Please,
the
footprint
of
this
thing
is
a
monster.
It
is
a
49,
000
square
foot
building
in
an
area.
That's
not
intended
for
not
anything
close
to
that
next
slide.
Please
and
again,
this
is
a
neighborhood
as
next
slide.
Please
ask
that
you
make
a
recommendation
to
deny
the
change
in
zoning
and
the
conditional
zoning
next
slide.
Please
it
would
significantly
increase
traffic
congestion.
S
I
don't
think
you
can
use
traffic
studies
to
say
that,
based
on
the
number
of
the
density
increase-
and
these
are
not
thoroughfares
next
slide-
please
the
it
could
significantly
increase
traffic
right
into
two
congested
intersections,
not
just
where
they're
talking
about
their
the
overpass.
The
next
slide,
please
and
it's
a
dramatic
increase
in
density
footprint
and
size
and
with
overcrowded
land
next
slide.
Please,
and
it's
going
to
negatively
affect
the
weekend
residential
neighborhood
you've
seen
these
pictures
of
it.
It's
a
monstrosity.
S
It
is
huge
and
it
is
not
compatible
and
it
with
the
neighborhood.
It
does
not
protect
the
preserve
the
heritage
of
this
historic
district
next
slide.
Please
just
ask
that
you
deny
it
and
recognize
that
this
is
a
community,
and
this
would
dramatically
affect
it,
and
these
do
not.
These
proposals
do
not
meet
the
ordinance
requirements.
That
would
be
my
presentation.
B
D
D
G
Yes,
we
can
hear
you
now,
but
we
haven't.
We
haven't
heard
anything
you've
said
if
you
said
anything:
okay,
all
right.
Thank
you.
H
Hello,
my
name
is
rachel
larson
and
I'm
a
realtor
and
I've
been
a
resident
of
we
can
for
nine
years
in
asheville
for
20
years,
I've
been
lucky
enough
to
live
in.
We
can.
When
I
was
able
to
buy
a
house
during
the
last
recession,
I
would
not
be
able
to
buy
or
rent
in
this
neighborhood.
Today.
I
am
in
support
of
the
hscd
development
because
of
our
city's
desperate
need
for
affordable
housing.
H
This
project
opens
up
the
possibility
that
more
people
will
be
able
to
find
housing
and
not
only
safe,
affordable
housing,
but
housing.
Close
transportation
and
employment,
while
many
neighbors
have
voiced
fears
about
people
who
need
affordable
housing
and
who
are
disappointed
in
the
size
of
this
development.
I
cannot
a
good
conscience
tell
mothers
and
their
children
older
adults
on
a
fixed
income
and
those
simply
living
on
the
current
living
wage
that
there
is
no
room
in
this
neighborhood.
H
Our
neighborhood
is
downtown
densities
such
as
this
are
sensible
here.
I
would
rather,
there
be
a
substantial
number
of
affordable
units
here
than
several
million
dollar
homes,
which
is
what
is
otherwise
available
in
my
neighborhood
lately,
I,
and
at
least
24
other
households
that
I'm
aware
of
are
in
favor
of
this
conditional
rezoning
because
of
the
deeply
affordable
housing
that
this
development
will
bring,
and
I
look
forward
to
welcoming
new
neighbors
into
our
vibrant
neighborhood.
Our
heritage
is
based
on
inclusivity,
diversity
and
affordability,
while
this
project
has
many
hurdles
yet
to
overcome.
B
F
T
Yes,
my
name
is
chuck
gray,
I'm
a
resident
on
haywood
street
past
the
curve,
in
fact
in
front
of
my
home,
is
the
very
first
and
only
street
parking
spot
next
to
the
development
on
what
I
consider
the
wheat,
the
chicken
hill
haywood
part
of
haywood
street
that
I
live
on,
and
I
support
the
project
and
the
social
impact.
That's
intended
very
much.
T
Frankly,
chicken
hill
is
barely
wide
enough
to
be
a
one-way
street.
I've
had
to
back
up
my
vehicle
into
people's
driveways
to
accommodate
two-way
traffic.
Adding
even
you
know,
the
additional
traffic
of
say.
10
percent
of
those
residents
is
a
significant
traffic
load
on
a
street
situation.
That's
already
inadequate
for
the
neighborhood.
T
I
appreciate
the
proximity
to
the
bus
station
and
the
public
transportation,
but
this
is
a
safety
issue.
I
ride
my
bicycle
on
this
hill.
I
move
to
asheville
to
bicycle.
I
ride
my
motorcycles.
I
have
there's
no
sidewalks
on
chicken
hill.
You
cannot
walk
down
chicken
hill
without
walking
in
the
same
lane
as
the
traffic
which,
as
I
stated
and
is
clearly
evident,
isn't
wide
enough
for
even
two-way
traffic.
T
U
Hi,
my
name
is
luella
heather.
Can
you
hear
me.
G
U
U
I
have
lived
in
this
particular
house
in
this
particular
neighborhood
for
30
plus
years,
and
I
helped
actually
form
the
neighborhood
organization
that
is,
some
of
us
are
both
poor
and
some
of
us
are
against
the
project,
as
it's
currently
being
presented
again.
I'll
reiterate
what
mr
craig
said
that
all
of
those
in
opposition
this
project
are
in
favor
of
affordable
housing.
That's
not
the
issue
here.
U
The
issue
is
whether
this
location
is
the
right
place
for
something
of
this
density,
giving
you
a
little
history
in
the
late
1990s,
the
city
approached
the
residents
of
weekend
to
help
create
a
plan
that
would
guide
the
future
development
for
our
neighborhood
after
many
many
hours
in
meetings
and
planning
sessions.
The
weekend
2010
plan
was
adopted
by
city
council
as
the
blueprint
for
future
growth.
U
In
that
plan,
the
specific
sites
we're
looking
at
today,
the
two
lives
were
designated
to
be
neighborhood
business
that
allowed
12
units
per
acre,
that
being
a
0.87
of
an
acre
would
be
about
10
units
based
on
what
the
neighborhood
envisioned.
As
what
did.
U
We
call
that
small
to
medium-sized
density
fast
forward
to
around
2018
a
developer,
bought
that
land
and
very
quickly
decided
to
have
it
rezoned
and
despite
opposition
from
the
neighborhood,
despite
what
the
neighborhood
2010
plan
recommended
and
despite
us
not
being
the
central
business
district,
the
change
to
commercial
business,
one
was
recommended
by
the
board
and
approved
by
city
council.
As
you
know,
the
cb1
allows
20
acre
20
breaker,
with
a
40
per
acre
with
a
20
affordability
overlay
on
that.
U
With
that
credit,
zoning
that
this
current
0.87
acres,
a
lot
would
allow
about
35
units
and
then
the
developer
that
got
that
change
made
back
then
ended
up
not
building
the
air
turned
around
and
put
it
on
the
market
for
a
hefty
profit.
So
now,
here
we
are
in
2022
again,
despite
the
lack
of
consideration
for
the
residents.
U
The
whole
area
around
there
is
rm8.
Eight
units
per
acre
we're
now
looking
at
something
that's
close
to
50
units
per
acre.
U
The
impact
on
the
neighborhood,
the
traffic
patterns
is
just
will
unbelievably
change
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
despite
an
opposition
from
a
large
percentage
of
the
neighbors,
and
despite
this
being
a
residential
neighborhood,
we
are
not
central
business
district,
we're
not
a
commercial
business
district.
We
are
an
old
traditional
neighborhood
that
goes
back
to
the
late
1800s
and
I
just
feel
like
the
you
know.
U
So
this
monstrosity
is
just
too
much
it's
too
big.
It's
not
a
good
buffer
between
our
rm8
neighborhood
and
central
business
district.
This
proposal
is
an
encroachment
on
the
neighborhood
and
I
hope
that
you
make
a
good
decision
today
and
not
approve
the
zoning
change.
Thank
you
for
your
listening
today.
B
I
have
a
quick
question,
mr
two
avery
two,
that
is,
are
you
tracking
time
on
these
callers?
I
can
never
remember.
B
B
Okay,
great,
I
couldn't,
I
know
you
said
there
were
three
or
four.
I
could
remember
any
week
that
was
number
three,
so
thank
you
to
all
the
people
who
called
in
obviously
to
everyone,
who's,
listening
and
also,
as
ms
tuck
mentioned
at
the
beginning,
we
did
receive
all
the
public
comments
that
were
submitted
through
the
public
engagement
portal
or
that
were,
you
know,
sent
using
the
email
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
website.
They
all
have
been
distributed
again,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning.
B
B
Aloud
during
the
meeting
that
is
certainly,
we
all
read
them.
M
Hi,
my
name
is
jamie.
I
live
50
yards
from
the
proposed
west
hawaii
community
church
proposed
development.
I
wanted
to
reiterate
luella's
statement
about
this,
not
being
the
area
for
high
density
development.
It's
as
as
noted
the
proposed
site
is
on
a
stretch
of
road,
a
neighborhood
that
is
already
struggling
with
density,
dependent
traffic
issues.
M
We
only
have
the
egress
onto
clingman
it's
next
to
impossible.
During
a
rush
hour
I
mean
it's
just
impossible
and
the
only
other
egresses
on
west
taylor,
the
robber
street,
and
I
mean
I
did
it
again
today
and
it's
putting
your
life
in
your
hands
as
a
pedestrian
with
the
and
especially
with
the
pedestrian
of
the
stroller,
which
I
have
to
try
to
get
down.
You
know
out
of
that
out
of
out
of
our
neighborhood
to
to
access.
M
You
know
to
access
the
liberal
arts
district
and
it's
you
know
parked
cars
are
regularly
smashed
onto
the
stretch.
There's
barely
any
street
parking
already,
it's
a
really
big.
It's
a
really
big
issue
for
people
that
live
here,
and
I
also
agree
with
luella
that
putting
this
massive
massive
50
unit
development
in
a
area
that
is
resolved,
you
know
eight
units
per
acre.
M
It
just
doesn't
doesn't
match
what
is
already
here
and
I
just
don't
understand
how
the
site
was
deemed
acceptable
in
the
first
place,
when
the
only
other
dempsey
that
they're
asking
for
like
this,
the
closest
is
like
not
even
the
closest
density
that
they're
asking
for
is
you
know
across
town
it's
not
anywhere
close
to
the
density
that
we
already
have
here
so
yeah.
M
I
just
wanted
to
just
to
re
reiterate
my
my
my
supportive
luella
statement
that
you
know
I
don't
support
this
project
and
and
my
husband,
my
husband,
doesn't
either
and
we
just
we
just
hope
that
it
doesn't
go
through
with
the
current
density
that
they're
proposing.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
caller
is
that
it
in
the
queue
then,
mr
tube.
B
With
that,
we
will
close
public
comment
at
7.
52.
turn
this
off
real
quick.
So
there
were
a
couple
of
comments
that
were
made
and
I
will
ask
them
of
the
applicant
and-
and
whoever
wants
to
answer
these,
please
feel
free.
I'm
gonna
hold
on
the
traffic
for
a
minute,
because
I
also
know
that
we
have
christopher
karns,
who
is
the
new
new
ish
to
the
city
of
asheville
traffic
engineer.
B
So
I
might
ask
him
to
just
chime
in
in
a
few
minutes,
but
one
of
the
questions
one
of
the
commenters
made
the
observation
about
the
entrance
to
the
project,
so
miss
tuck.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
bring
up
the
site
plan
trying
to
think
of
which
one
might
be
best.
B
Just
whatever
is
the
largest
version
that
shows
the
overall
of
of
the
project
and
the
comment
that
was
made
was,
you
know,
had
they
looked
into
essentially
what
would
be
flipping
the
building
so
that
the
entrance
to
all
that
parking
would
be
closer
to
the
west
haywood
hilliard
kind
of
curve.
B
You
know
so
towards
the
right
side
of
this
image
is
that
is
that
something
that
that
was
explored,
mr
griffin,
or,
I
think,
was
it
well.
Mr
dahl,
I
see
you're
in
here.
Q
Yeah
and
john
canard
unfortunately
had
to
get
off
too,
but
the
grade
of
the
property
from
that
front
corner
towards
the
back
left
hand
section
of
the
property
it
the
grade
falls
across
that
slope
and
so
in
order
to
utilize
that
grade
to
get
back
around
the
back
side
of
the
building.
The
entrance
makes
a
lot
more
sense
on
that
far
side
and
I
think
that's
the
primary
reason
that
it
was
it
was
put
over.
There
rob
if
you've
got
something
additional
to
add
to
that
go
ahead.
K
No
you're
absolutely
right,
there's
like
an
additional
eight
feet
of
elevation
game.
If
we
were
to
try
to
come
in,
we
did
look
at
it.
But
if
we
tried
to
come
in
on
the
top
side
and
then
also
the
way
that
it
would
have
come
in
sort
of
right
at
the
neck
of
haywood
and
hillyard
did
not
make
as
much
sense
sort
of
circulation
wise
than
getting
it
down
here
at
a
less
intense
intersection.
A
It's,
I
would
say
two
I'm
not
sure
how
to
apply
the
standard
in
where
west
haywood
and
hilliard
come
together,
but
we'd
normally
want
to
space
driveways
away
from
road
intersections.
B
It-
and
I
was
gonna-
follow
up
with
that
too.
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
Miss
tuck
that
yeah
that
and
I
think
even
two.
I
don't
would
you
call
that
a
kidney
or
a
dimple,
or
something
that
you
know
that
the
pork
chop,
whatever
that
kind
of
makes
that
I
mean
if
west
haywood
was
straighter,
you
know
in
its
and
and
hilliard
really
was
a
turn.
B
Then
maybe
you
could,
you
know
conceivably
have
a
driveway
in
that
area
close,
but
I
I
know
that
there
are,
and
I'm
certainly
not
familiar
intimately
with
them,
but
there
are
regulations
on
how
close
you
can
put
a
driveway
to
another
intersection
like
that.
So
did
he
leave
yet?
Mr
carnes
christopher
karns?
Are
you
still
here?
If
you
are
and
wouldn't
mind
addressing,
perhaps
just
in
general
or
not
in
general
traffic
along
west
haywood?
What
would
you
consider
west
haywood
to
be
as
a
road?
B
P
Start
there,
hello,
commissioners,
this
my
name
is
chris
cairns.
I
am
the
city
traffic
engineer.
B
Okay,
thank
thank
you,
mr
carnes.
I
think
that
you
know
answers
what
I
was
getting
at.
B
Looking
back
over
what
we've
discussed
so
far,
I
know
we
had
the
potential
change
and
I
believe
reverend
combs
was
amenable
to
it,
on
the
conditions
exhibit
e.
B
This
would
be
number
12
item
d,
that
the
51
percent
of
the
units
would
be
reserved
to
accept
housing
choice
vouchers.
Is
that
correct,
mr
combs,
that
that
you
are
amenable
to
that?
I
would
encourage
it.
Yes,
okay,
so
miss
ashley.
I
guess
you
know
and
miss
tuck
will
need
to
to
make
that
adjustment.
I
know
that
the
pedestrian
crossing
had
gotten
added
to
the
project
conditions,
so
that's
good.
I
know
that
was
up
until
the
other
day
still
tentative
there.
Any
other
comments
questions
any
discussion
among
the
commissioners.
F
I
I
again
I
want
to
reiterate
that
I
am
so
in
support
of
affordable
housing.
That's
one
of
the
real
reasons
that
I
wanted
to
be
on
this
commission.
Okay,
thank
you
to
everyone
who
did
submit
public
comment.
I
read
every
single
public
comment
that
was
submitted.
Thank
you
to
everyone
that
called
in
tonight.
F
It's
always
tricky
with
affordable
housing.
It
doesn't
matter
if
you
live
in
asheville
or
if
you
live
in
arizona.
You
know
anytime.
That
word
comes
up.
No
one
wants
it
in
their
community
right
because
there's
a
stigma
that
is
attached
to
it.
So
it
doesn't
matter
if
it
goes
in
downtown
or
if
it
goes
in
south
asheville
or
if
it
goes
in
camera,
no
one
wants
it
because
they
think
that
it's
going
to
drop
their
home
values
or
that
there's
going
to
be.
F
F
So
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
noticing
the
difference
between
those
two
things:
an
affordable
housing
is
out
there
for
young
professionals
who
are
making
that
25
000
a
year
and
need
that
500
rent
to
help
get
them
up
to
that
40
000
a
year.
So
then
they
can
move
out
and
they
can,
you
know,
start
to
own
a
place
like
commissioner
archibald
suggested.
Okay,
so
as
we
think
about
the
people
living
in
this
community
and
as
you're
still
watching
us
on
youtube.
F
Video,
like
those
are
the
important
things
to
say,
and
my
only
concerns
about
this
property
is
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
traffic
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
sidewall
facing
patton
avenue,
because
I
think
that
that's
going
to
be
a
huge
eyesore
coming
up
to
40,
but
not
patent
avenue,
but
like
240
coming
from
patton,
because
I
do
think
that
people
are
going
to
hang
things
off
of
their
as
a
renter
for
20
years.
F
I
know
people
were
going
to
hang
things
off
of
the
balcony
they're
going
to
you
know
I
mean
I
lived
in
apartments.
F
So
we
just
need
to
be
very
cognizant
as
we're
like
moving
forward
and
talking
about
this
plan
that
we
also
think
about
the
other
homes
nearby.
We
think
about
people
driving
on
that
road
and
what
we
want
to
project
out
into
the
community.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
bubenik.
I
appreciate
that
commissioner
faircloth.
C
Thanks
everyone
who
contributed
tonight
and
again
just
to
reiterate
commissioner
bubinick
us
on
the
commission.
We
do
read
every
email,
listen
to
every
voicemail.
We
make
our
notes
here
with
questions.
C
People
got
so
thank
you
for
sending
your
comments
and
concerns
in
both
for
and
against
this
that
very
much
helps
all
of
us
when
we're
looking
through
this
one
thing,
I'm
going
to
say
real
quick,
I
might
get
in
trouble
for
it,
but
I'm
going
to
say
you
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
about
heritage
and
preserving
heritage
of
stuff,
and
you
know
the
question
we
got
to
ask
sometimes
is:
what
is
what
do
we
want
our
heritage
going
forward
to
be?
C
You
know,
you
know,
there's
a
big
monument
downtown
that
had
heritage
to
it,
but
we
pulled
that
down
because
it
represent
things
we
didn't
like.
You
know
we
got
to
look
at
what
our
heritage
is
now
what
we
want
our
future
generations
to
have-
and
I
think
some
of
that
involves
inclusivity.
So,
thanks
again
to
everybody
appreciate
it
all.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
faircloth.
You
know
this
is
certainly
one.
B
That
I've
struggled
with
a
little
bit
as
far
as
density
and
perhaps
location.
You
know,
traffic
doesn't
bother
me
so
much.
You
know
those
roads
are
what
they
are.
I
have
driven
up
and
down
them.
I
have
biked
up
and
down
them.
I
have
walked
up
and
down
them.
You
know
we
have.
We
have
roads
in
the
city
like
this
all
over
the
place.
B
D
G
B
Potential
future
things
to
investigate.
I
definitely
appreciate
haywood
street
congregation,
reverend
combs.
You
know,
mr
griffin,
everybody
on
their
team
for
bringing
this
project.
I
mean
affordable
housing
at
what
they
are
proposing
in
perpetuity
just
does
not
cover.
I
mean
I've
been
on
the
commission
for
four
years
and
watched
and
went
to
meetings
for
two
years
prior
to
that.
This
is
the
first
one
that
I
have
seen
that
I
can
recall
that
was
permanently
affordable
at
this
level.
B
It
doesn't
happen
and
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
that
that
pretty
much
takes
everything
you
know
that
that
mitigates
a
lot
of
other
potential
concerns
that
I
would
have
on
this.
You
know
this
is
a
project
that
frankly,
three
years
ago,
I
would
have
qualified
to
live
in
this
project.
I
probably
would
have
qualified
to
live
in
at
80
level.
Last
year
I
am
not
a
homeowner.
B
I
rent,
I
made
a
choice
to
pay
more
than
you
know
the
standard
average
30
to
live
where
I
want
to
live
because
of
what
I
see
out
there
and
have
seen
out
there.
Since
I
moved
back
to
asheville
in
2013.,
you
know
we
need
as
many
projects
like
this
as
we
can
get
throughout
the
city
throughout
the
county.
So
I
am
just
deeply
grateful
to
this
team
for
bringing
this
before
us.
B
So
with
that,
I
am
happy
to
take
a
motion
from
someone.
A
Do
that,
with
with
the
condition
that
number
12.
B
It's
condition
number
two,
so,
let's
see
we
would
need
to
insert
it
well,
we
can.
Where
do
we
need
to
insert
it?
We
need
to
insert
it
right
after
it
would
need
to
be
inserted
right
after
where
it's,
where
it's
cb2
dash
cz,
that
parentheses,
if
you
had
with
the
change
of
condition,
12
d
to
being
those
51
units,
are
reserved
for
housing
choice
vouchers.
So
we.
N
I
moved
to
approve
the
conditional
zone
and
request
for
the
property
located
at
343
and
347
west
haywood
street
from
community
business.
1
cb1,
community
business
2,
conditional
zoning
cb2
cz
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community
and
that
the
re
that
that
the
request
one
supports
in-field
development
in
a
strategically
located
area
targeted
for
growth.
Two
provides
housing
units
in
proximity
to
transit,
employment
and
parks,
and
three
supports
city
goals
for
affordable
housing.
B
Sorry:
sorry,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I'll
do
another
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
faircloth.
B
Commissioner,
hoke
aye,
I
will
vote
I
as
well.
The
motion
passes
seven
zero.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much,
reverend
combs
and
and
your
team
appreciate
it
very
much
and
good
luck
moving
forward.
A
Go
ahead
and
misstep
I
just
wanted
to
throw
in
really
quickly.
I
know
I
emailed
you
guys
last
month
about
pulling
you
for
a
late
winter,
early
spring
retreat
and
I'm
sorry
it's
just
holidays
and
everything's
gotten
in
the
way,
but
I
will
try
to
get
to
that
this
week.
So
I'll
watch
your
inboxes
for
that
information.
B
B
Concludes
tonight's
agenda:
the
next
scheduled
meeting
of
the
commission
is
set
for
february,
2nd
2022.
As
always,
you
can
find
out
information
about
the
agenda
and
upcoming
meetings
at
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
website.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
motion.
N
I'll
hit
that,
as
commissioner
faircloth.
B
Adjourned
and
and
hope
was
seconded
before
we
do
the
vote.
Thank
you
all
very
much
tonight.
I
think
it
was
a.
It
was
a
really
great
meeting.
So
thanks
motion
to
adjourn
I'll,
raise
your
hand
say
hi,
hi,
hi
hi.
Thank
you
all
very
much
have
a
great
evening.
Thank
you.
Everyone.