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From YouTube: Design Review Committee – May 18, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Design Review Committee.
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A
A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
I'm
Christina,
Booher
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
May
18th
2023
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
the
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
districts.
A
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
one
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
Council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
now
participating
in
person.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
and
also
linked
on
the
Community
page.
You
can
also
watch
the
meeting
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel
either
live
or
recorded.
A
A
Oh,
take
a
vote:
okay,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,.
C
F
Good
afternoon,
everyone
will
Palmquist
and
planning
an
Urban
Design
I'll,
be
presenting
the
staff
report
and
recommendation
for
the
project
known
as
The
Carter
Street
mixed
use
tribute
hotel
located
at
68
Carter
Street
Rob.
This
project
was
before
you
all
at
the
April
20th
DRC
meeting,
where
it
was
continued
to
this
meeting
I'll
get
into
some
of
those
discussion
points
and
and
recommendations
and
changes
in
the
meantime
for
this
project.
This
is
a
level
two
Hotel
project
that
is
a
mandatory
review.
F
Mandatory
compliance
as
they
are
seeking
to
bypass
city
council
approval
through
the
incentive
program
set
up
in
the
hotel
overlay,
with
the
provision
of
Hotel
benefits
prior
to
any
issuance
of
of
certificates
of
occupancies.
So
that's
why
it
is
here
before
you.
The
project
itself
is
located
on
a
1.25
Acres
at
68,
Carter
Street,
it
spans
Carter
and
across
the
Ann
Street
as
well.
It's
currently
a
surface
parking
lot,
formerly
the
parking
lot
for
the
Citizen
Times.
F
It's
look
at
around
in
between
some
existing
Social
Service
delivery
uses
such
as
ahope
day
Center
to
the
South
and
the
Salvation
Army
Center
for
Hope,
located
to
the
north.
It's
in
the
downtown,
so
it's
Zone
CBD,
it's
located
outside
of
the
traditional
downtown
corn
within
the
tallest
height
Zone,
and
it
is
within
the
hotel
overlay
District
that
allows
for
small
and
large
hotels
does
not
have
any
frontages
on
key
pedestrian
streets.
F
So
essentially,
what's
being
proposed
is
a
eight-story
tall,
total
maximum
height
building,
which
is
mostly
the
section
that
fronts
along
Carter
Street
in
a
two-story
tall
section
that
fronts
along
and
Street
it's
a
mixed-use
building
with
115
guest
rooms,
24
residential
units
and
commercial
space
on
the
ground
floor
there's
also
165
structured
parking
spaces
within
two
levels
of
parking
below
below
grade.
F
See,
let's
go
to
the
the
renderings
and
the
elevation
drawings
so,
like
I
said,
the
project
was
before
you
all
at
the
April
20th
meeting.
Let's
flip
down
to
some
of
the
elevation
drawings.
F
So,
overall,
there
were
a
lot.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
around
the
site
itself,
the
streetscaping,
the
landscaping
and
in
the
building
design.
I.
F
Think
the
major
points
of
discussion
were
that
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunity,
for
you,
know:
Green
Building,
Technology,
to
control
storm
water
runoff,
to
increase
the
quality
and
quantity
or
reduce,
increase
the
quality
and
reduce
the
quantity
of
storm
water
runoff
in
the
area,
which
has
been
a
persistent
problem
in
this
section
of
downtown,
also
the
opportunity
to
enhance
the
streetscape
Beyond
minimum
standards,
such
as
the
addition
of
more
Street
trees
and
other.
F
Talking
about
those
two
ideas,
the
applicant
did
provide
an
updated
site
plan
and
there
are
additional
Street
trees
now
located
on
Carter
Street,
where
there
are
nine
large
maturing
trees
proposed
where
seven
were
formally
proposed
and
that's
and
is
required.
I
believe
the
same
number
as
last
time
on
Ann
Street,
some
additional
Street
trees
and
other
landscaping
around
the
peripheral
periphery
of
the
site
as
well.
F
F
The
project
has
been
revised
to
show
the
orientation
of
this
kind
of
Center
Mass,
where
the
adjacent
to
the
main
entrance
and
where
the
sign
is
proposed,
which
was
formally
kind
of
reduced
at
the
roof
line
and
kind
of
closed
in
a
revised
version
that
was
shown
at
the
last
meeting
and
this
this
version
kind
of
restores
that
design
to
the
original,
which
has
that
Center
element
going
all
the
way
to
the
top
roof
of
the
of
the
project
per
the
suggestion
of
the
of
the
committee
at
the
last
meeting.
F
There's
also
some
discussion
about
this
two-story
retail
space
along
Ann
Street
and
how
to
make
that
something,
special,
unique
and
while
it's
you
know
part
of
the
building
on
Carter
Street,
it's
a
separate
use
and
to
try
to
Signal
the
intention
of
that
of
that
use
through
the
design
and
I
think
it's
showing
better
in
some
renderings
here
the
applicant
has
kind
of
changed
the
proposed
material
along
that
Frontage
in
elevation
and
kind
of
I.
Guess
punched
it
out
a
little
bit
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
F
So
you
can
kind
of
see
that
that
material
is
is
kind
of
coming
coming
out
further
from
the
building
plane
to
kind
of
differentiate
it
from
the
rest
of
the
building
and
the
material
changes
well
to
try
to
highlight
that
feature.
So
that's
one
change
as
well.
That
was
made
since
the
last
meeting
and
then
finally,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
other
side,
elevations,
North
and
South.
So
the
north
elevation
shown
on
the
left
in
the
South
shown
on
the
right
I
believe
the
north
elevation
didn't
have
any
Windows
proposed.
F
You
know
both
elevations
are
right
up
against
the
property
lines,
so
the
applicant
was
able
to
add
some
window
openings
there,
where
it
was
possible
due
to
the
internal
programming
and
building
code
requirements,
so
the
north
elevation
now
has
has
Windows
or
before
was
pretty
much
pretty
much
empty
of
Windows
and
other
openings
and
then
the
South
elevation.
Some
additional
windows
are
added
to
the
center
section
of
the
building
where
there
were
none
before
so
I.
Believe
those
are
this.
That's
the
summation
of
the
changes
since
the
last
last
meeting.
F
You
know
as
far
as
the
review
process,
the
project
was
reviewed
and
approved
with
conditions
at
the
technical
Review
Committee
a
couple
months
ago,
so
the
project
satisfies
requirements
of
the
of
the
Udo.
It's
also
supported
generally
in
the
design
downtown
design
guidelines
as
well
regarding
things
such
as
exciting
height
and
massing,
there
are
pedestrian
entrances
along
along
the
streets
and
the
elevations
are
compliant
with
openings
and
fenestration
requirements
as
well.
Our
air
force
staff
recommends
approval
of
this
project
and
I'm
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
F
A
little
bit
so
you
can
see
it
better
if
I
flip
up
to
the
perhaps
this
this
site
plan,
so
I
think
as
far
as
I
can
tell-
and
we
can
ask
the
applicant
to
delve
a
little
more
into
this
if
they
want,
but
there
are
some
yeah
some
additional
Street
trees
along
Carter
streets
and
there's
nine
Street
trees.
Instead
of
seven
some
additional
trees
around
the
perimeter
of
the
site
where
it
was
possible
to
they've
highlighted
some
of
the
kind
of
green
kind
of
Terrace
elements.
F
A
couple
open,
Lawns
planting
areas
over
the
over
the
parking
that
you
can
see
here
so
I
believe
that
that
is
the
extent
of
it.
They
did
not.
You
know,
add
a
green
roof
or
highlight
any
other
storm
water
management
Technologies.
Besides
those
additional
plantings
and
green
kind
of
grass
lawn
areas.
D
F
Think
it's
these
trees
on
the
south
elevation
and
some
on
the
North
in
these
sections
of
the
building
I've
been
I,
believe
that
is
that
I
I
think
these
areas
were
existing
before,
but
they
maybe
weren't,
as
as
highlighted
or
or
perhaps
I'm
just
seeing
seeing
it
now
and
noting
it.
F
D
D
F
Terrace
with
the
lawn
and
then
lawn
on
the
pool,
deck
I
think
that's
part
of
the
pool,
deck
amenity.
F
Yeah
I
don't
know
if
it's
meets
the
exact
definition.
If
it's
going
to
depend
on
the
type
of
drainage
system,
it's
it's
called
a
lawn,
so
it
might
just
be,
it
might
just
be
grass
planted
on
a
on
a
concrete
base,
but
it
will
definitely
help
to
absorb
storm
Waters.
No
doubt
about
that
I
don't
know
if
it
meets
the
criteria
of
a
green
roof.
F
F
Approval
yeah:
it
wouldn't
necessarily
be
contingent
on
the
zoning,
so
unless
it
was
a
very
specific
criteria
of
the
approval
they
could,
they
could
come
with
a
synthetic
application
instead
of
instead
of
actual
grass,
and
that
would
still
satisfy
the
zoning.
It's
not
a
requirement
that
it's
law
inverse
anything
else.
I
know
it's
it's
going
to
be
impervious
surface
regardless
because
it
is
over
over
concrete,
so
that
doesn't
change
the
storm
water
regulation,
review
of
IT,
necessarily
but
yeah
it
would.
It
would
kind
of
be
up
to
them
how
they
wanted
to.
F
F
F
If
it's
shown
on
the
plans
as
a
as
a
building
element,
then
that
could
be
reviewed
as
as
part
of
the
adopted
plan
set.
I
think
if
this
is,
if
it
says,
covered
terrorists
and
a
lawn
long,
Community
I
think
a
lot
of
different
things,
as
you
pointed
out,
so
that
wouldn't
necessarily
tie
them
into
you
know
necessarily
having
grass
versus
other
synthetic
material.
F
H
H
Well,
thank
you
I'm
Tony
Hauser,
with
wsp
representing
this
development.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
I
want
to
give
you
some
history
about
this
site.
This
has
been
a
parking
lot
for
the
last
25
plus
years
for
the
citizens
time
citizen
times,
and
it
has
never
had
any
sort
of
storm
water
control
about
four
or
five
years
ago.
Somebody
bought
this
parking
lot
and
updated
it
a
little
bit
and
included
some
detention
which
currently
exists
under
that
that
parking
lot.
That's
there
right
now.
H
This
development
will
be
required
to
provide
detention,
volume
and
treatment
for
what's
currently
under
the
parking
area,
as
well
as
the
additional
impervious.
If
any,
we
haven't
evaluated
that
fully
yet,
but
if
we
have
any
additional
impervious,
we
will
also
have
to
to
provide
detention,
volume
and
water
quality
treatment
for
that
that
additional
runoff
the
plan
for
the
drainage
on
this
development
is
that
everything
that
falls
on
the
building
will
be
funneled
into
the
parking
garage
and
dealt
with
through
that
detention
and
treatment
system
in
accordance
with
the
requirements
of
Udo.
H
H
Adding
the
trees
was
made
possible
in
part
by
increasing
the
impervious
or
excuse
me
increasing
the
pervious
area
around
the
site,
particularly
on
the
North
side,
and
that
that's
that
area
south
of
the
building,
those
those
additional
trees
and
those
green
spaces
assist
or
help
with
storm
water
control,
storm
water
mitigation
because
of
interception.
They
don't
provide
any
significant
amount
of
detention.
H
If
you
have
a
rainstorm
today
and
you
saturate
that
green
roof
and
you
get
another
rain
storm
tomorrow,
you
don't
get
any
additional
detention,
it's
already
saturated,
so
you
don't
get
any
benefit,
whereas
A
detention
system.
If
you
get
a
rainstorm
today,
you
get
that
slower
release
and
then,
when
you
get
a
rainstorm
tomorrow,
it's
able
to
fill
back
up
because
it's
now
emptied
over
the
required
period
of
time
in
accordance
with
Udo.
H
As
far
as
water
quality
treatment,
it
can
have
some
benefits,
but
Studies
have
shown
that
it's
it's
iffy
in
a
lot
of
cases.
Green
roofs
end
up
having
to
be
fertilized,
and
so
you
end
up
having
phosphate
and
nitrate
runoff
from
Green
Roots
rather
than
water
quality
improvement.
So
they're,
not
a
Panacea
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
they're,
not
a
good
idea.
I
think
they
are
I,
think
they
help
with
with
control
of
temperature
around
the
building.
H
As
from
from
heat
island
effect,
they
potentially
reduce
the
the
utility
requirements
of
the
building
by
by
casting
a
shadow
on
top
of
the
building.
But
they're,
not
a
Panacea
I.
Think.
A
great
idea
for
green
roofs
would
be
to
use
them
as
an
offset
an
incentive
for
tree
canopy
preservation,
but
that's
not
codified
in
the
Udo
right
now.
G
G
That
we've
been
given
by
other
engineers
and
by
and
by
City
officials,
but
we
we
note
your
concerns.
Please
continue
I.
H
G
H
In
summary,
the
the
We've
added
Street
trees
on
both
Carter
Street
and
Ann
Street,
we've
added
trees
around
the
perimeter
of
the
site
and
we've
reduced
the
impervious
area
of
the
site.
In
addressing
the
comments
that
were
raised
in
at
the
previous
meeting.
I
And
Matt
Gallo
with
Oda
architecture
and
speak
to
this,
this
site
plan
as
well
I
mean
the
intent
was
that
though
it
is
an
amenity
area
to
the
pool
The
Lawns
would
be,
you
know,
live
planted
and
and
then
we
have
increased
in
this
area
just
off
the
vehicular
drop-off
was
really
originally
just
Planters
and
it
would
be
a
as.
I
It
would
be
a
green
roof
in
an
effort
to
you
know,
address
that
that
common
and
concern,
but
after
some
further
evaluation,
the
larger
span
of
the
structure
over
the.
I
As
a
potential
for
a
green
roof
seemed
less
cost
effective
just
because
the
structural
system
than
rather
than
than
on
top
of
the
parking
garage.
So
we've
tried
to
maximize
areas
where
we
can,
on
top
of
the
parking
garage
to
support
that
green
roof
in
that,
particularly
in
that
planting
area,
but
also
in
the
in
the
amenity
lawn
spaces
and
then
I
think.
I
K
K
And
Tony
knows
all
of
us,
but
you're
not
from
Asheville,
but
all
of
us
that
sit
up
here
do
exactly
what
you
guys
do.
We
have
to
resent
in
front
of
boards
and
commissions.
I've
had
two
over
the
last
week
that
I've
just
gotten
raped
over
the
colds.
J
K
K
Green
roof
issue:
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
It's
something
that's
been
very
important
to
me.
Over
the
last
two
years
when
I
was
on
the
pre-designed
Review
Committee,
as
the
other
members
know
before
Kate
came
on
board.
I
was
very
program
group
for
obvious
reasons
and
Tony,
as
Brian
stated.
I
just
can't
agree
with
your
statements
about
the
engineering
on
the
water
problem.
Yes,
I
know:
City
storm
water
Engineers
that
are
having
a
problem
catching
up
with
understanding
the
data.
K
Kate
can
talk
for
an
hour
to
explain
this
and
I
hope
she
will.
But
my
biggest
concern
is
that
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
have
lawn
at
your
pool
area,
that's
probably
going
to
need
to
be
synthetic
to
our
rescue
Turf
by
pool
and
lounge
chairs.
It's
not
going
to
work,
but
I.
Just
think
that
the
other
planting
areas
that
are
shown
any
benefit
they
offer
I
think
it's
going
to
offer
to
the
guest
experience.
But
it's
not
gonna.
It's
not
going
to
benefit
downtown
as
a
whole.
We.
K
The
heat
island
effect
that
we
spend
so
much
time
on
last
time,
there's
been
no
addressing
on
that.
I
had
a
hard
time
going
through
the
documents,
because
it
looks
like
the
landscape
plan
hasn't
been
updated,
but
the
architectural
site
plan
has
but
architectural
cycling
doesn't
have
any
of
the
plants
labeled
on
it.
So
that
was
a
little
confusing.
I
K
L
K
Excuse
me,
but
I
just
feel
like
that,
there's
a
misunderstanding
about
green
roofs,
the
we're
not
seeing
any
kind
of
multifunctional
stormwater
system
this
is
thrown
in
the
ground
to
be
gone,
done.
We're
not
talking
about
all
the
other
benefits
for
Park
green
move
systems.
K
I
think
they
added
Street
trees
are
doing
nothing
I.
Really
don't
it's
just
it's
a
it's
a
big
Bob
on
a
plane
and
on
this
plan,
I
can't
even
tell
what
kind
of
tree
it
is.
So
those
are
my
comments.
B
So
I
can
speak
to
the
storm
water.
We've
worked
on
projects
throughout
the
state
where
we,
the
green
replies,
used
for
to
me.
It's
more
water
requirements,
it's
off.
It's
a
secondary
storm
water
control
measure,
so
it
often
has
to
be
used
in
addition
with
something
else
which
can
be
minor,
and
so
so
there's
that
storm
water
quality
and
storm
water
quantity,
because
it
manages
the
first
inch
of
rainfall.
If
it's
designed
correctly,
you
mentioned
a
Panacea,
often
we
think
of
greeners
as
a
Panacea.
B
We
think
of
one
thing
we
think
of
a
shallow
tray
system,
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
design
a
green
roof
based
on
the
project
goals,
the
project
budget.
What
are
you
trying
to
accomplish
with
the
green
roof,
and
so
I
would
just
say
that
I
hear
you've
explored
it
from
the
structural
perspective
from
a
stormwater
perspective,
I
think
that
there
there
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
more
education
and
an
understanding
about
them.
B
Second,
is
that
this
is
the
perfect
example
for
where
it
would
be
appropriate.
We
have
a
downtown
project
with
very
with
no
pervious
surface
we're
maximizing
the
building
footprint,
which
we
should
in
downtowns
and
I
totally
agree
that
you
can
legally
manage
the
storm
water
below
grade
and
meet
the
requirements.
B
That
is
a
given
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
is
something
more
than
that,
because
we
have
a
situation
in
our
downtown
with
old,
impaired,
stormwater
infrastructure,
so
any
new
project
that
comes
along
particularly
a
hotel
project,
we're
asking
for
something
to
alleviate
the
burden
on
that
system,
and
so,
if
you
can
manage
80
of
that
storm
water,
if
80
of
the
storm
water
on
a
building
that
is
covering
the
whole
site,
isn't
even
hitting
our
storm
water
system,
that's
something
that
taxpayers
benefit
from.
B
That's
something
our
River
benefits
from
our
River,
the
French
Broad
19
miles
of
it
was
just
listed
on
the
impaired
waterways
list
from
North
Carolina
DEQ.
Meanwhile,
it's
an
enormous
Recreation
and
economic
engine
for
our
region.
So
these
things
are
important
beyond
your
project,
and
so
that's
why
we
are
interested
in
in
seeing
these
types
of
projects
contribute
to
our
city
in
environmental
ways
and
also
social
ways.
B
Stephen
Lee
talks
a
lot
about
Urban
heat
island
effect,
so
that's
where
it's
coming
from,
not
because
we
think
that
you
should
just
use
it
to
meet
the
stormwater
requirement,
we're
looking
for
it
for
other
reasons
too,
and
there
really
isn't
any
other
storm
water
control
measure
that
can
accomplish
as
many
co-benefits
that
green
storm
water
infrastructure
provides,
and
in
this
case,
because
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
space
at
grade.
That's
why
we're
leaning
towards
a
green
roof.
B
If
this
was
in
more
Suburban
context,
or
we
had
a
lot
of
space
at
grade
to
incorporate
bios
whales,
rain
Gardens
things
like
that,
I,
don't
think
we'd
be
talking
about
a
green
move.
But
in
this
case
this
is
a
really
good,
perfect
example
as
to
why
we're
we're
asking
for
it
and
from
the
structural
I'm.
Sorry,
I
I,
just
don't
agree
that
the
additional
load
of
a
green
roof
is
is
not
cost
effective,
particularly.
B
Who's
going
to
experience,
cost
savings,
see
significant
cost
savings
over
the
life
of
their
building.
B
That's
what
I
have
to
say
about
the
green
roof,
but
I
would
go
back
to
the
street
trees
because
I'm,
a
landscape,
architect
and
I
care
more
about
green.
More
than
just
green
roofs
and
I
do
appreciate
the
additional
Street
trees
every
street
tree
that
we
get
in
this
town
is
a
good
thing,
and
so
well,
maybe
not
everyone,
but
more
Street
trees
are
important.
They
improve
the
quality
of
downtown
they
help
with
Urban
heat
island.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
addition
and
the
sensitivity
around
the
spacing
and
having
that
determine
the
number,
but.
E
I
have
a
question
for
you
as
well
regarding
I'm,
seeing
on
the
both
the
site
plans
and
the
architecture.
If
you
could
zoom
out
on
your
image
just
a
little
bit,
it
looks
like
you're
changing
the
material
or
there's
an
indication
of
material
change
at
the
main
entrance
on
the
sidewalk,
as
well
as
up
against
the
building
on
on
Ann
Street
and
on
the
addition
there,
but
I
can't
find
out
what
that
material
is.
Can
you
just
tell
me
what
that
what
that
is.
H
We
haven't
specified
what
it
is
at
this
point.
We've
talked
about:
precast,
concrete,
pavers,
okay,.
E
Okay,
so
some
some
some
material
change
at
the
entrance
and
up
against
the
on
the
on
the
Carter
Street
side
and
then
at
the
entrance
for
the
Ann
Street
side,
as
well
as
up
against
the
that's.
C
I
E
N
I
E
C
E
Entry
are
there
any
other
textual
changes
that
are
going
on
on
the
streetscape
itself,
we'll
get
into
architecture
when
we
get
there,
but
I'm.
H
E
Thank
you
one.
Last
one
on
the
north
side
of
and
Carter
Street,
there's
indication
where
there's
a
there's
a
tree,
that's
kind
of
like
in
the
corner
right
there
is
that
going
to
be
mulch.
Is
that
what
it
would
what's
going
to
go
on
on
the
ground
cover
around
that
tree?
Where
am
I
implant
on
this
diagram.
H
We
haven't
identified
that
ground
treatment,
yet,
okay,
okay,
it
will
be,
it
will
be
permeable,
so
it
will
not
be
concrete
or
pavers
sure,
given
the
the
fact
that
we're
showing
a
large
tree
would
likely
be
Mulch
and
and
plantings
below
it.
Okay.
K
So
one
of
the
comments
that
Brian
brought
up
is
something
I
wanted
to
mention,
but,
and
that
is
the
space
along
Ann
Street,
that
has
the
additional
area
beyond
the
required
template.
Sidewalk
in
this
area
relates
to
one
of
the
key
downtown
design
guidelines
under
recommendation
6B,
and
it
recommends
the
Indie
developer
to
consider
other
landscape
measures
to
soften
The,
Pedestrian
experience
by
providing
additional
plantings
other
than
just
the
minimum
required,
also
using
pervious
materials
Etc.
So
along
Ann
Street,
where
we
have
the
different
textured
Paving.
K
That
is
the
perfect
area
to
try
and
utilize
that
recommendation.
In
some
way
it
could
be
vertical
Landscaping
green
screen
that
works
with
the
architecture.
It
could
be
additional,
you
know,
ground
covers
and
shrubs
right
now
we
have,
you
know:
what's
not
working
I
feel
like
and
what's
not
needing,
the
spirit
of
what
we're
going
after
is:
we've
got
solid,
concrete
to
the
base
of
the
building
solid
heart
to
the
base
of
the
building
and
I
will
change
my
statement
about
the
trees.
K
I
do
appreciate
the
extra
trees
and
the
effort
to
bring
those
in
thanks
for
bringing
that
up
Kate,
but
in
terms
of
the
site
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
mention
this
I
know
that
there's
going
to
be
architectural
elements
that
we're
about
to
discuss,
but
in
terms
of
the
site.
This
is
a
project
that
I
cannot
vote
in
favor
of
because
we're
just
not
we're
just
not
there.
O
I
I,
agree
and
I
think
that
the
comment
that
this
has
been
a
parking
lot
doesn't
mean
that
I
mean
it's
been
a
parking
lot.
It's
been
the
minimal
storm
water,
I
I,
don't
think
that's
a
reason
to
not
do
more
I
mean
this
is
going
to
be
a
hotel
in
Asheville,
which
is
almost
guaranteed
to
be
a
profitable
business,
and
it's
going
to
be
here
for
a
while
and
it's
on
a
tight
Street
and
it
needs
to
give
back
more
than
it's.
Giving
back
to
Asheville,
I,
feel
and
I.
Think
the
concrete
yeah.
J
O
H
So
the
intent
of
my
my
history
on
the
site
was
not
to
suggest
that
we're.
You
know
we're
doing
this
a
little
bit
to
make
a
difference
here.
What
I'm?
What
I
was
saying
is
that
the
previous
developer
of
the
parking
lot,
the
Reconstruction
of
the
parking
lot
addressed
some
of
the
stormwater
concerns
I,
believe
that
was
voluntary.
I,
don't
think
he
had
to
do
that.
H
We
will
be
addressing
additional
concerns
that
are
associated
with
this
development
in
order
to
bring
this
into
compliance
with
Udo
I
think
everybody
here
is
familiar
with
I,
don't
think
the
board
members
are
here
today
from
from
Homeward
Bound,
but
I
think
everybody's
familiar
with
with
our
adjacency,
and
if
you
saw
the
article
in
the
citizen
times
or
WLOS
this
week,
it
was
about
this
street
and
a
part
of
the
goal
in
the
development
along
the
streetscape,
particularly
along
Ann
Street,
is
to
address
concerns
about
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
and
providing
places
for
people
to
camp
out
and
get
behind
vegetation,
and
things
like
that
is
not
something
that
we
want
to
do.
H
I
think
that
that
providing
opportunities
for
for
those
businesses,
perhaps
to
put
out
planters
or
things
like
that,
make
sense
in
this
environment
but
I,
think
dedicating
streetscape
to
plants,
plant
material
and
so
forth,
is
creating
an
opportunity
for
people
to
defecate
and
urinate
along
the
street
and
camp
out
as
I
mentioned
last
time.
H
I
was
across
this
space
from
this
space
for
six
years,
and
it's
only
gotten
worse
since
then
so
I'm
going
to
push
back
a
little
bit
on
that
I
think
I
think
in
terms
of
of
changes
in
texture
along
the
street.
That
makes
sense,
perhaps
including
some
infiltration
into
that
it
doesn't
provide
any
detention.
It
provides
permeability
that
that
gets
directly
piped
into
the
the
storm
water
system.
So
it's
really
not
much
different
than
if,
if
it
were
not
permeable.
O
A
problem
that
might
not
be
here
forever,
though
our
homelessness
problem
has
gotten
better
and
we
hope
that
it
keeps
getting
better
so
designing
this.
For
a
problem,
I
mean
this
building
will
be
here
for
a
while
and
if
that's
a
concrete,
walkway
all
the
way
to
the
building.
That's
going
to
be
here
for
a
while,
so
I'm,
assuming
there's
going
to
be
light
on
the
exterior
of
the
building,
and
that
will.
H
Miss
Davis
was
at
the
was
at
the
meeting.
The
neighborhood
meeting
for
this
development
and
I
mentioned
that
I
had
I
had
worked
in
across
the
street
from
this
back
when
I
did
from
2005
to
2012,
and
she
said
it's
so
much
worse
now,
so
it
hasn't
gotten
better
and
we
had
our
client
had
discussions
with
the
owners
of
Homeward
Bound
in
an
attempt
to
acquire
that
property
and
they
were
not
interested
in
selling
the
property.
H
So
we
we
don't
foresee
that
that
use
going
away
and
we're
not
suggesting
that
it
necessarily
should,
and
we
do
believe
that
eyes
on
the
on
the
street
and
people
on
the
street
will
will
help
that
situation.
But
we
believe
that
it
needs
to
be
manageable
from
day
one
and
and
putting
in
opportunities
for
people
put
in.
You
know
putting
in
spaces
where
they
can
get
out
of
sight
or
where
they
can
make
use
of
it
for
camping
or
whatever
other
use
they
they
imagine,
is
problematic
from
day
one.
B
Could
the
outdoor
Planters
like?
Is
there
a
way
to
incorporate
that
or
to
to
make
sure
that
that
is
something
that
happens,
whether
you're
the
tenants
on
the
lower
level
decide
to
do
it
or
not?
If
we,
this
is
an
important
Street
for
us,
The
Pedestrian
environment's
important,
and
we
want
more
than
what
we're
seeing
right
now.
You've
offered
some
examples
of
ways
that
we
could
incorporate
vegetation
and
make
it
more
hospitable
without
contributing
to
a
problem.
I
mean
is
that
something
that
we
could
Explore
More.
K
Possibly
but
I'd
just
like
to
add
at
the
downtown
Commission
meeting
last
week,
we
heard
as
y'all
probably
know,
there's
a
60-day
downtown
safety
push
that's
going
on
and
there's
been
huge,
huge
positive
benefits
that
have
occurred
with
that.
But
the
city
manager
said
something
that
really
struck
with
me
in
that
at
me,
and
that
was
that
Asheville's
response
to
City's
responsibility
is
yes
to
try
to
develop
ways
to
deal
with
the
problems,
but
citizens
and
business
owners
also.
K
Involved
and
I
agree
with
Robin's
statement.
I
mean
the
property
owner
where
this
hotel
is
proposed.
I
J
L
K
K
C
A
I
didn't
have
one
question:
can
you
Stephen,
Lee
or
Kate
I
mean
know.
A
This
but
I
believe
the
discussion
lasts
at
the
last
meeting.
With
a
couple
of
projects
we
referenced,
the
udl
and
the
downtown
guidelines.
Is
there
something
in
the
guidelines
that
recommends
Innovative
techniques
for
stormwater
management?
Could.
E
E
K
So,
chair
to
your
point,
those
Innovative
stormwater
techniques
have
been
utilized
by
multiple
teams
downtown
to
help
satisfy
part
of
that
requirement
of
non-hotel
projects.
E
So
our
architecturally
will
thank
you
for
kind
of
going
through
and
showing
us
the
the
can
you
pull
up
one
of
the
3Ds.
If
you
don't
mind,
I
just
want
to
say
I
appreciate
you
listening
to
us.
Thank
you.
That's
that's!
Always
nice
I'm
gonna
say
that
you
have
largely
satisfied.
Michael
can
jump
in
if
he
disagrees,
but.
E
Largely
satisfied
that
that's
exactly
what
I
want
to
talk
about,
the
the
two
blank
sides,
I
think
I-
think
that's
much
better
and
much
more
in
keeping
with
the
building
now
I'm
I'm.
Very
appreciative
of
that
I
think
the
I
think
the
front
I
think
that
that
solution
at
the
top
I
think
that's
it.
I'd
leave
well
enough
alone,
quit
monkeying
with
it.
Sorry,
if
I
made
you
monkey
with
it
too
much.
L
E
The
the
the
back
it's
it's
much
better
than
I
saw
it
last
time
curious
what
the
rest.
Everybody
else
thinks
like
I,
I
I
still
think
it's
not
like
it's
different
and
it
and
it
and
it's
reflective
but
I,
think
it's.
It
just
looks
like
a
little
brother
tagging
along
right
now,
so
I
I
mean
honestly
architecturally
I
could
approve
this
pretty
I'm
I
would
vote
to
approve
this
I'm
I'm.
Just
saying
that
that
that
rear
part's
not
on
the
industry
is
not
quite
there
yet
curious
what
everybody
else
says.
B
I
I
A
bunch
of
a
series
of
massing
to
help-
hopefully
better
sort
of
describe
that
so.
I
The
trash
is
internal
to
the
building.
It
would
just
be
a
holding
area
on
trash
days
for
the
carts
to
be
rolled
out
and
sorted
yeah,
there's
a
overhead
door
that
rolled
a
door
here
and
then
a
sort
of
sectioned
off
area
where
the
bins
would
sit
until
the
truckers
comes
to
pick
them
up.
So.
E
I
I
do
see
some
like
building
lighting,
especially
on
the
Ann
Street,
View
and
and
on
the
south
Carter
Street
View.
You
know
along
your
the
building
pile
Asters.
Basically,
you
know
just
for
some
I
guess,
sidewalk
level
lighting
I
just
want
to
again
encourage
you.
The
Asheville
Police
Department
is
is
having
what
do
they
call
that.
G
E
M
I'm
gonna
Echo
Brian's
comments
and
say
that
you
know
we.
We
do
appreciate
it
because
we
I
mean
it's.
It's
clear
that
that
you
that
you
hear
that
you
heard
of
some
of
you
listened
and
that's
that's
a
big
deal
on
on
that
back
I.
You
know,
I
I,
don't
feel
as
strongly
as
Brian
does
about
it.
M
I
think
it's
a
lot
better!
I
think
just
just
that
lightning
the
color
is
going
to
it,
helps
the
it
helps
with
that
differentiation
a
little
bit
in
on
the
you
know
where
the
volume
comes
out
and
bridges
across.
You
know
that
that's
you're,
seeing
that
you're
seeing
that
space
better.
You
know
you
can
see
that
articulation
better.
C
I
M
C
M
A
it's
got
a
problem
with
on
the
back
side,
because
it
looks
like
a
little
poor
to
Portico
like
attached,
Portico,
but
I
know
that
what
you're
doing
is
you're
you're,
basically
crashing
through
masses
together
and
one
of
them
is
a
little
bit.
You
know.
One
of
them
is
really
dark
and
solid.
The
other
one
is
you
know
more,
it's
the
lighter,
more
articulated
and
open.
M
M
A
there's
a
there's,
a
view.
It
is
it's
the
ants,
the
Ann
Street
View
on
8205.
M
C
M
M
E
M
And
I
I
think
the
ends.
Look
so
much
better
I
think
they
would
look
even
better
if
there
was
some
contrast
in
in
the
colors
but
I.
M
E
You
know,
if
you
change
the
horizontals
on
that
on
that
I
guess:
that's
the
south
west
facing
side,
maybe
just
even
in
a
couple
of
Bays,
or
something
just
to
break
that
up
I'm,
not
making
any
sense,
I'm,
not
sure
I'm
on
a210
and
I'm,
looking
at
the
South
End
street
view
in
3D
and
I,
if
I
understood
it
right.
E
What
Ricardo
is
talking
about
is
that
in
that
upper
right
hand,
image
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
main
block
of
the
building
the
hotel
rooms,
that
big
gray
block
is
not
as
beautiful
as
the
rest
of
the
building,
because
it's
all
just
a
kind
of
undifferentiated,
just
glass
and
stuff,
and
you've
done
a
lot
of
things
where
you
define
these
wonderful
vertical
elements
within
the
building,
just
in
material
changes
and
without
changing
the
material
we're
just
changing
the
color.
If
you
could
do
something
similar
on
that,
one
piece
am
I
making
sense.
E
E
Do
and
it
could
just
be
the
like
that
one,
maybe
even
just
that
one
section
where
you've
got
the
two
balconies,
you
know,
maybe
it
you
make
those
a
little
special
there's
a
couple
things
to
do
there,
or
maybe
there's
just
something
going
on
that.
We
don't
see
I
mean
when
I
zoom
in
on
it.
I
can
see
some
Shadow
lines,
I
see
stuff
going
on
and
maybe
there's
more
there,
but
it's
just
not
popping
quite
enough.
Yeah.
I
I
mean
I'll
say
on
the
on
the
elevation.
You
know
it's
the
right
side
of
this
elevation.
There's
is
articulated
in
the
same
way
that
it
is
on
the
left
side
of
the
Carter
Street
elevation,
so
that
that
language,
you
know
wraps
around
around
the
building-
and
you
know,
with
its
distance
from
the
street
we
were
trying
to
give.
I
You
know
obviously
prominence
to
the
to
the
Ann
Street
on
on
that
side,
and
so
you
know,
I
do
think
lightening
up
that
that
building
the
two-story
building
on
and
certainly
Drew
Drew
more
attention
to
that
I
mean
I
and
I.
I.
Do
understand
your
comments
about
making
the
Ann
Street
side
special
I,
think
there's
a
difference
in
just
design
philosophy
and
for
this
project
and
the.
E
I
E
I
N
I
The
larger
mass
is
black
than
the
the
larger
Mass
tends
to
recede
correct,
and
so
that's
kind
of
why
I
chose
to
make
that
that
piece
on
and
after
the
discussion
last
time,
brighter.
I
That
you
know
that
that
Tower
would
kind
of
recede
and
and
that
Anne
would
that
would
become
the
focal
point.
And
then
the
the
tower
is
sort
of
a
background
element.
I
I
can,
and
it
may
be,
the
lighting
of
the
rendering
I
can
zoom
in
on
this.
You
know,
we've
done
I
think
you
know,
there's
there's
some
subtle
material
change
on
on
that
band.
That
does
rap
I,
just
think
it
doesn't
show
up
in
the
in
the
rendering,
and
then
you
know
at
the
at
the
top
two
floors.
You.
D
I
Get
an
extra
strip
of
Windows,
so
we
we
certainly
and.
D
Follow
up
on
that
discussion
about
the
streetscape
on
Ann
Street
seems
like
the
guidelines
are
pushing
you
towards
storefronts
and
and
embracing
the
sidewalk,
and
then
we're
also
saying
we
want
you
to
cushion
the
building
from
the
street
with
planting
so
I
feel
like
you,
can
only
do
one
or
the
other
and
I
think
the
guidelines,
and
your
in
your
architectural
response
is
to
create
storefront
panels
with
glazing,
which
is
the
appropriate
response
and
putting
Shrubbery
in
front
of
it.
E
Story,
I
I,
don't
think
the
guidelines
would
push
it
too
Shrubbery.
It
says:
there's
a
variety
of
things
you
could
do
there.
I
just
said
think
it
needs
to
be
an
engaging
pedestrian
experience.
Not
not
something
you
walk
beside,
but
something
you
walk
through
and
into
is
is
what
I
would
respond.
K
To
you
know
and
I
agree
completely
with
what
Brian
just
said
in
that
in
these
slivers
in
front
of
the
building.
Putting
in
shrubs
is
the
absolute
opposite
of
what
needs
to
be
and
what
needs
to
happen,
integrated,
Planters
or
vertical
Landscaping
green
screen.
It
can
all
be
integrated,
but
shrubs
would
never
make
it
there.
But,
like
think
of
the
corner
of
College
Street
and
Biltmore,
the
integrated
plantings
in
the
corner
of
that
hotel,
how
that
was
worked
in
planters
could
be
integrated
into
the
architecture
and.
A
And
how
that
will
affect
a
hope
and
the
other
businesses
Salvation
Army
in
that
area
and
I'd
like
to
open
it
up
for
public
comment.
If
anyone
in
the
room.
A
All
right,
so
is
there
emotion.
K
I'd
like
to
ask
a
question
of
Staff
I'm,
assuming
at
some
point,
there's
going
to
be
a
vote
today
on
this.
What
would
be,
what
are
what
are
the
opportunities
for
the
developer
in
terms
of
if
there's
a
yes
Vote
or
no
vote?
Is
there
a
period
of
time?
They
would
have
to
wait
to
come
back
or
could
they
come
back
with
of
adjusted
plans?
I
mean
it
doesn't
like
put
them
on
hold
for
a
year
like
HRC.
Would
right.
F
I
think
one
way
to
go
forward
is
you
could
always
make
a
vote
to
approve
and
then,
if
that
doesn't
pass,
we
could
ask
the
app
that
wanted
to
how
they
wanted
to
go
forward
from
from
there.
So.
E
What
what
conditions
could
we?
So
let
me
be
candid:
architecturally
I'm
there
and
site
design,
I'm,
probably
and
I,
apologize
to
you
too,
but
I'm,
probably
90
of
the
way
there
I
I,
think
I
think
there's
some
there's
some
things
they
can
do
for
storm.
There's
some
things
they
could
do
on
the
streetscape,
but
I'm
I'm
almost
there.
So
are
there
conditions
under
which
they
could
receive
a
positive
vote
and
ask
that
I,
don't
know
for.
G
B
I
think
that
we
all
I
mean
I
I,
just
think
site
work
and
Landscape
architectural
work
and
downtown
just
needs
to
be
like
a
lot
better
and
I.
Don't
want
to
make
an
example
out
of
like
you
know,
one
project
but
I,
think
I
think
I
stand
behind
what
I
said.
I
agree
with
Stephen
Lee
I'm,
not
prepared
to
say,
which
way
I'm
going
to
vote
right
now,
I'm
still
working
it
out
in
my
head,
trying
to
balance
all
the
challenges
of
the
project.
B
I
understand
what
that's
like
I'm,
trying
to
balance.
What
our
role
is
here
so
and
I
also
appreciate
the
work
on
the
architectural
side.
I'm
not
just
sitting
here
only
focused
on
the
site
design.
So.
K
Well,
I
would
just
like
to
state
that,
yes,
the
project
appears
to
be
meeting
technical
review
standards
that
is
technical
review,
that
is,
City
staff,
reviewing
minimum
requirements
for
public
safety
and
the
use
of
utilities
and
vehicular
safety,
10-foot
sidewalks
minimum
required
Street
trees
looking
into
public
utilities,
it
is
minimum
requirements.
Trc
does
not
discuss
design
I,
don't
see
anywhere
in
this
project.
Where
there's
been
any
attempt,
Beyond
a
normal
business,
an
apartment,
building
an
office
building,
there's
been
I,
don't
see
any
attempt
to
consider
Landscaping
measures
that
go
beyond
what
is
minimum
required.
K
Yes,
there
are
a
few
more
trees,
but
folks
I,
just
I
just
feel
firmly
that
hotels
need
to
play
an
active
role
in
making
a
difference
with
our
Urban
heat.
K
At
look
at
what
we
have
in
the
queue
coming
before
us
what's
in
these
engineering
plans,
right
now
does
nothing
to
improve
our
heat
island
effect.
Now
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
in
addition
to
the
you
know
it's
existing
impervious
surface,
but
addition
to
that
you
know
there
are
all
the
other
systems
in
this
building
that
make
it
work
that
contribute
to
an
increase
in
heat
island
effect.
K
Mechanical
systems
I
mean
so
it's
it's.
You
know
it's.
C
K
C
A
If
there
can
be
do
you
have
any
conditions
that
we
could
move
forward
with?
Is
there
will?
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
if
we
don't
take
a
vote.
F
Yeah,
that
is
correct,
so
you
know
emotion,
Community,
to
approve
and
then
even
if
it's
not
necessarily
by
a
person
who's
going
to
vote
for
that
Solutions.
P
H
I
understand
the
the
request
for
the
green
roof
and
I'm
not
here
to
talk
about
that
architecture
is
out
of
my
my
area
of
expertise,
but
we're
basically
showing
Street
trees
right
now
that
are
create
a
shade
condition
along
those
sidewalks
from
the
south
of
the
site
and
the
north
of
the
site
on
both
sides.
So
I
would
ask
from
a
site
level.
What
else
do
you
need
to
see
that's
going
to
make
an
effect
on
heat
idle
effect?
H
K
H
H
H
But,
like
I
said
the
the
trees
will,
will
you
know,
as
they
mature
they'll
completely
shade
those
those
sidewalks
and
so
they'll
eliminate
that
aspect
of
it
so
I
would
I?
Would
you
know
contradict
that?
It's
it's
simply.
Minimum
compliance,
client
and
I
would
be
really
open
to
hearing.
If
there's
anything
at
the
street
level
that
that's
going
to
contribute
to
that.
K
K
You
know,
maybe
it's
four
trees,
but
in
the
scheme
of
things
these
are
two
inch
trees
going
in
yes,
they'll
get
big,
yes,
they'll
shade
the
sidewalks,
but
it's
in
the
it's
a
minimum
TRC
and
we
want
to
see
I
want
to
see
these
recommendations
in
the
downtown
design
guidelines
at
least
explored
and
indicated
in
some
way
where
we're
going
Beyond
just
the
minimum
required
it's
it's
a
hotel
and
again
it's
there's
a
reason.
K
This
committee
was
put
into
place
and
none
of
us
like
trying
to
deal
with
some
of
the
challenging
aspects
of
this.
There
was
a
reason
this
committee
was
put
in
place
and
Council.
Our
Council
representative
on
downtown
commission
makes
this
very
very
clear,
and
it
was
in
an
effort
to
a
work
with
designers
to
try
and
collaborate
to
get
the
best
project
for
the
developer
and
for
the
citizens
of
Asheville,
and
that
has
happened
on
this
project.
K
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
and
Western,
you
have
something
else,
you'd
like
to
say
no.
Okay,
good
thanks,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
the
design,
Review
Committee,
acknowledges
and
appreciates
the
adjustments
and
improvements
and
taking
recommendations
on
the
architectural
design.
F
Q
N
E
Didn't
make
a
motion
to
continue
with
the
design
team?
Please
let
us
know
whether
they
want
to
do
the
June,
15th
or
the
July
sure
yes,
please
do.
Thank
you.
I
was
supposed
to
do
that
in
my
motion.
It's
not
my
fault.
E
Well,
obviously,
can
they
if
we
do
the
June
15th
and
they
can't
make
it
they
can
ask
to
continue
to
the
Jew?
You
can
well
you'll,
just
set
it
to
the
June
15th.
If
you
can't
make
it
we'll
set
it
we'll
just
it'll,
be
continued
by
staff.
C
F
M
N
K
C
A
K
C
N
F
And
just
a
reminder,
if
folks
can
speak
into
the
microphone
I
think.
J
F
F
There
we
go,
it
helps,
helps
folks
streaming
at
home.
So
just
reminder
for
that.
F
S
Mitchell
I'm
in
the
current
planning
department
with
will
I
will
be
using
a
presentation
as
a
crutch
again
until
I
become
so
familiar
with
everything
that
I
don't
need
to
do
this,
but
I
think
it
helps
you've
seen
this
application
informally
before,
but
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
it
again,
because
this
is
the
formal
review
for
you,
as
well
as
for
the
public
who
is
in
attendance
and
the
numerous
people
that
are
no
doubt
watching
the
meeting
it
in
the
left
is
the
overhead
of
the
site
pretty
much
as
it
is
today.
S
You
can
see
the
outline
of
the
existing
building
with
the
looks
like
some
kind
of
rubberized
roof
and
then
there's
an
additional
meta
building.
That's
been
added
to
the
right
over
the
history.
I,
don't
know
what
time
frame
that
was
added
or
not,
and
then
on
the
right
on
the
screen.
It's
context
within
kind
of
the
South
area
of
our
downtown
technically
in
the
beginning
of
the
South
slope
planning
area.
S
This
is
a
view
directly
onto
the
site
from
the
middle
of
the
intersection
you
can
see
on
the
left
side
of
the
buildings,
the
the
the
addition
and
then
the
white
part
of
the
building
is
the
original
building
that,
as
you
know,
in
the
application
is,
is
preserved
and
rehabilitated
there.
There
are
some
trees
on
the
site.
S
It's
it's
difficult
to
Envision
those
being
preserved.
Given
our
setback
requirements,
the
buildings
are
pushed
up
to
the
edge
of
the
property,
but
I'll
go
over
the
the
Landscaping
at
a
later
time.
That
was
a
comment
from
the
Republican
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
challenge.
S
So
this
is
looking
in
in
the
opposite
direction.
Just
to
give
you
some
context,
a
lot
of
the
buildings
in
the
immediate
area
are
are
one
story
and
on
the
right
that
one
sinks
down,
you
could
argue
it's
even
less
than
a
story:
lots
of
overhead
Utilities
in
the
in
the
location
and
and
a
pretty
busy
intersection.
If
you
have
to
happen
to
go
through
that
during
peak
hours,
this
looks
directly
across
the
street
at
the
Hot
Spot,
which
is
now
closed.
S
S
This
is
the
building.
Next
to
the
hotspot,
that's
been
approved.
It's
still
currently
in
that
status.
I
don't
have
any
updates,
unfortunately,
on
what
the
status
of
this
application
or
this
site
is.
S
This
is
the
current
state
of
the
existing
building
on
the
site.
I,
you
know,
Google
street
group
view
goes
back
to
about
2008.
It
generally
looks
the
same.
If
you
go
back
in
time
and
again,
you
can
see
that
the
incredible
amount
of
overhead
Utilities
in
this
area-
here's
the
I,
found
people-
have
been
talking
about
this
site.
So
I
looked
it
up.
It
turns
out
I
think
this
may
actually
be
the
the
location
where
Hazen
Lunsford
was
founded
and
they
are
still
in
existence
in
a
pretty
serious
undertaking.
S
I
think
their
offices
are
in
rally
so
Raleigh
getting
used
to
North
Carolina,
it's
their
100
year
anniversary
is
coming
up,
so
hopefully
the
developer
will
have
this
built
and
they'll
have
a
big
celebration
in
2026,
but
this
is
just
a
little
history
about
the
site
and
I.
Think
it's
it's
it's
telling,
because
in
the
applicant
pointed
this
out
in
their
materials,
they're
kind
of
bringing
back
that
that
actual
historic
storefront
and
that's
just
a
nice
element
that
is
worth
pointing
out
the
basics.
S
This
has
all
been
reviewed
by
the
technical,
Review
Committee.
It
got
approved
with
conditions.
Earlier
this
week
they
had
an
informal
visit
with
the
downtown
commission
last
week
pending
after
this
process.
The
next
step
will
be
planning
and
zoning
which
we
currently
have
scheduled
for
June
7th.
S
It
is
in
the
downtown
area
of
the
the
future
land
use
and
the
comprehensive
plan
it's
in
the
central
business
district,
so
technically
parking
is
not
required,
but
because
it's
residential
use
and
the
applicant
is
showing
parking,
there
will
be
parking
provided
and
from
a
regulatory
standpoint
as
well
as
kind
of
a
use
standpoint.
Both
Hilliard
and
Ashland
are
considered
key
pedestrian
streets.
S
This
is
a
site
plan
that
you're
familiar
with
the
pink
area.
Are
the
pink
lines
are
retaining
walls
you
can
see
on
the
left
is
kind
of
the
ground
level
parking
area
which
is
going
to
be
beneath
the
existing
building
and
the
proposed
building
will
be
on
a
Podium.
The
podium
actually
is
at
street
level
on
Hilliard
and
then,
as
you
know,
the
the
topography
changes
pretty
dramatically.
As
you
go
down
Ashland,
it
starts
almost
at
street
level
and
then
we'll
talk
about
it.
S
That
was
one
of
your
primary
points
when
we,
when
we
discuss
this
application
informally
how
that
Gap
appears
in
the
building
on
the
podium
on
the
southern
portion
of
the
site.
I'll
also
point
out
this
area
on
the
south
shows
a
pedestrian
connection
from
Grove
Street
South
Grove
Street.
Here
we
talked
with
the
applicant
about
carrying
this
North,
but
that's
a
very
difficult
challenge
to
get
that
sidewalk
up
that
road
or
along
the
side
of
the
road,
it's
very
steep
so
getting
into
the
site.
S
You
can
go
through
the
courtyards
and
get
up
to
Hilliard,
but
the
prime
connection
is
is:
is
due
east
along
the
southern
portion
of
the
site
whoops
to
Ashland,
and
so
this
sidewalk
continues
all
the
way
over
here
and
we've
talked
with
the
applicant
about
these
septic
design
principles,
how
low
level
kind
of
constant
lighting
not
creating
areas
that
are
able
to
be
hidden
in
to
make
sure
that
that
particular
sidewalk
remains
safe
for
all
users,
says
Eden.
You
start
to
see
the
addition
of
landscaping.
S
You
see
the
street
trees
remember
from
the
street
view
significant
amount
of
overhead
utilities
on
Hilliard
Ave,
so
those
are
the
smaller
trees
on
Ashland.
The
applicant
has
pulled
the
street
trees
out
of
the
sidewalk,
so
we
have
the
full
10
foot,
width,
sidewalk,
unobstructed
and
the
three
trees
are
planted
in
a
in
a
a
grass
strip,
which
will
be
great
for
the
trees
and
also
it
provides
opportunity
for
additional
Landscaping
along
that
edge
of
the
building,
while
maintaining
our
minimum
sidewalk
widths.
S
These
are
details
of
that
area.
Those
Street
trees
are
off
a
little
bit
to
preserve
that
site
triangle,
which
is
going
to
be
important
for
people
coming
in
and
out
of
the
site,
particularly
leaving
the
site
so
being
able
to
see
through
those
side
triangles
and
get
those
trees
out
there
is
is
something
that
is
supported
by
City
staff
in
the
transportation
department.
S
It's
it's
this
tree
here
that
the
applicant
and
transportation
department
whoops,
is
worried
about
or
talking
about,
so
that
that
there
may
be
some
movement
on
that
tree
to
preserve
kind
of
that
view
shed
for
drivers,
and
then
this
on
the
right
is
further
detail.
The
Landscaping
as
the
building
progresses
towards
the
South
one
of
the
requirements
and
asked
about
is
the
programming
inside
the
building.
These
These
are
the
floor
plans
of
the
new
residential
building.
S
So
you
can
see
how
the
the
main
hallway
connects
to
the
stairs
and
the
elevator
facility
on
the
southern
portion
of
the
L
and
then
there's
a
connection
out
onto
Hilliard
through
a
hallway
and
a
connection
into
the
Courtyard
at
the
end
of
that
hallway,
in
that
location,
here
is
the
cross
section
of
the
building
showing
you
the
use
of
the
floors,
all
residential,
a
single
commercial
space
in
the
existing
building
and
some
elevator
access
to
the
roof
which
is
activated
for
that
commercial
site.
S
These
are
the
renderings
that
are
responsive
to
the
comments
that
you
made
in
the
informal
review
changes
that
I
will.
Let
all
of
you
discuss.
That
is
your
Forte.
You
can
see
a
little
bit
better,
how
the
stairwell
interacts
that
Central
stairwell
one,
the
one
branch
goes
up
to
the
roof.
The
other
goes
down
to
the
surface
slot
and
then
you
can
see
in
the
lower
left
hand
corner
as
you're
looking
at
the
slide,
the
stairwell
from
the
courtyard
outside
the
commercial
use
that
goes
up
to
the
rooftop
as
well.
S
S
So
this
is
it
without
the
Landscaping.
This
is
it
with
the
Landscaping,
so
you
can
see
along
Ashland
the
additional
Landscaping
that
was
added
to
kind
of
soften
that
in
that
grass
area
it
it.
It
sits
in
front
of
the
screening
and
the
podiums
that
support
the
building,
but
this
this
is.
You
had
a
nice
discussion
with
the
applicant
about
this
kind
of
activation
and
connection
at
the
last
meeting.
E
S
We
we
got
them
just
before
the
meeting:
okay,
okay,
I'm!
Sorry,
that's
all
right!
This
is
that
vertical
look
down
on
the
site
with
yeah
we're
way
more
interested.
S
Room
this
one
yeah
yeah,
so
this
is
looking
head-on,
obviously
off
Hilliard
and
then
this
is
Ashland
and
you
can
see
the
treatment
behind
the
landing
landscaping
and
the
rendering,
with
the
Landscaping
implemented,
I
believe
a
couple
more
renderings.
This
was
there
were
some
questions
about
what
the
relationship
on
the
internal
side
of
the
building
with
the
with
the
courtyard
or
the
internal
area.
S
You
could
see
balconies
in
that
are
now
shown
on
the
design,
the
a
close-up
of
the
stairwells
that
provide
those
connections
and
then
a
top-down
approach,
which
I
believe
is
my
last
slide.
That
gives
a
nice
kind
of
context
for
the
programming
on
the
site
and
what's
going
to
be
happening
in
those
Courtyards
and
on
the
rooftop,
and
with
that,
that's
the
complete
application.
S
A
P
Them
hello,
Chris
Day,
with
civil
Design
Concepts.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Clay
you're,
pretty
much
about
to
get
me
out
of
a
job
up
here,
because
you
do
such
a
like
that
I
sit
here,
I'm
like
well,
you
already
talked
about
that.
He
already
talked
about
that.
P
You
did
a
great
job,
I
appreciate
it
and
I
do
apologize
for
the
delay
in
the
renderings
that
they
weren't
in
the
original
package
and
I'll
also
just
put
a
small
caveat
that
I
think
the
renderings
do
a
great
job
in
some
aspects:
they're,
not
they're,
not
dead.
On
perfect.
This
is
a
per.
This
is
a
great
example
of
like
trash
right.
The
trash
isn't
shown
there,
the
sidewalk
along
the
the
bottom,
the
and
then
also
our
street
trees,
aren't
totally
lined
up.
P
You
know,
as
clay
pointed
out
along
Hilliard,
we
have
over
a
lot
of
overhead
power
lines,
so
we
actually
have
twice
the
street
trees
that
are
shown
right.
There,
they're
just
smaller
Street
trees.
What
the
renderings
do
help
out
here
and
I'll,
let
our
architect
Brian
sliver,
I'll.
Let
him
speak
a
little
bit
more
to
some
of
the
you
guys
had
asked.
P
Let
me
slow
down
a
little
bit.
I'm
I
got
distracted
by
the
the
rabbit
up
on
the
screen
or
the
squirrel,
so
the
big
things
and
I
saw
it
in
Clay's
presentation,
but
most
of
you
guys
were
here
last
week
or
last
month,
a
couple
weren't.
This
is
the
third
rendition
of
this
project.
The
very
first
one
was
almost
a
Texas
donut
it.
P
It
was
a
parking
deck
surrounded
on
three
sides
by
a
building.
It
was
a
huge
mass,
a
large
massing,
and
this
latest
version
of
this
project
we're
really
excited
about
with
the
historic
restoration
of
the
old
Hazen
Lunsford
building,
as
Clay
did
a
great
job
pointing
out.
One
of
the
things
that
also
came
up
at
the
last
month
was
understanding
a
little
bit
more
about
what
our
thoughts
were
on
the
roof
and
the
patio
Courtyard
area.
So
you
see
there
on
the
far
west
side
of
the
site
with
like
the
blue
umbrellas.
P
That's
the
courtyard
that
comes
straight
off
of
the
commercial
space
of
the
haze
and
Lunds
for
building.
It's
actually
kind
of
tucked
away
behind
and
the
street
there
as
there's
a
building
addition
that
helps
us
get
our
80
Frontage.
It
also
provides
architectural
code
yada
yada
stuff
to
get
to
the
roof
that
that
Brian
can
speak
to,
and
you
guys
are
all
experts
on.
P
It
also
gives
a
little
more
information,
or
at
least
some
ideas
on
how
that
Central
gate
our
main
entryway
into
the
site
that
Central
gate
and
kind
of
Courtyard
space
provides
access
to
both
the
commercial
space
as
well
as
kind
of
like
where
that
yellow
box
is
into
the
to
the
residential
units.
Speaking.
E
To
that
Chris
is
there
any
texture,
change
material
change
in
the
sidewalk
itself,
as
you
come
to
that
main
entrance
from
Hilliard.
P
E
So
you
could
technically
I
think
the
Marine
bomb
is
just
in
the
10
foot.
Is
that
right
and
then
past
the
10
foot?
You
can
start
to
make
the
change
to
signify
that
you're
kind
of
entering
the.
P
Point
we
could
make
the
change
the
other
thing
that
we
were
considering
all
Ashland
we're
showing,
as
as
clay
mentioned,
a
10-foot,
sidewalk,
free
and
clear,
with
landscape
area
behind
it
that
we
use
to
help
screen
the
the
parking
under
the
podium
along
Hilliard.
The
vast
majority
of
that
sidewalk
is
in
excess
of
10
feet,
and
so
we've
talked
about
up
against
the
building
kind
of.
P
As
you
get
past
that
10
foot
section
where
there
there
could
be
a
material
change,
we
could
also
along
the
building
Frontage
open
up
spaces
for
more
Green
pervious
Space,
whether
that
be
some
Shrubbery
or
landscaping,
or
things
like
that.
So
as
we're
also
providing
over
along
Ashland,
we
see
a
great
opportunity
for
creating
some.
P
T
Coming
to
Wood
design,
yeah
right
now,
there's
there's
a
the
10-foot
Gap
that
we
have
for
the
for
the
sidewalk
and
then
where
we
have
our
entrance
feature
poking
out:
we're
right
on
the
on
the
property
line
right
there
with
all
of
our
balconies.
That
overhang
above
are
also
on
our
property,
so
they're
not
over
there
right
away.
So
there
ends
up
being
this
I.
P
So
so,
if
you're
opposed
that,
we
we
do
actually,
as
you
see,
that
those
what
I
would
call
like
the
nook
and
cranny
up
against
the
building
outside
of
that
10
foot
area,
that
we
will
not
keep
that
concrete.
All
the
way
up
and
create
a
pervious
space
there
for
some
Landscaping
green.
T
G
E
So
so
my
I
guess
my
my
question
is
is
that
is
that
if
we
have
this
discussion-
and
you
agree
to
it
as
a
condition,
is
that
a
condition
or
is
not
in
the
drawings
but
from
what
I'm
I'm
hearing?
That
could
be
a
condition
that,
outside
of
the
10-foot,
that
there
is
a
pervious
or
other
landscape
design
element
between
the
10
foot
sidewalk
building
building?
Yes,.
P
I
think
the
only
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
is
I'm
gonna,
go
all
the
way
to
the
rendering
again
to
the
site.
One
is
the
fact
that,
as
clay
pointed
out,
there's
we
are
removing
a
portion
of
an
existing
building.
Edition
that
came
on
after
the
original
building
the
rest
of
the
site
is
there
are
some
trees
up
at
the
corner,
but
the
rest
of
the
site
is
a
Surface
parking
lot.
P
Our
intention
would
be
to
have
a
reduction
in
our
impervious
surfaces
from
what
are
out
there
today
and
we've
got
some
great
opportunity
to
we're
exploring
some
pervious
pavers
down
in
this
area,
as
well
as
this
Central
Courtyard
being
a
rain
Garden
storm
water
control
measure,
as
we
move
forward
to
the
next
phase,
with
detailed
drawings
with.
So,
if
you
did
that,
you.
J
T
So
I
think,
as
as
you
kind
of
saw
before
we
tried
to
dense
de-dense
this
thing,
get
it
get
it
more
playful,
get
it
more
colorful.
We
went
back
and
looked
at
some
of
the
comments
from
the
informal
and
we
kind
of
stuck
a
little
bit
to
some
of
our
guns
because
they
are
driven
around
a
lot
of
the
the
floor
plan
and
the
unit
mixes
that
we
have
to
hit.
T
So
a
lot
of
these
boxes
are
the
same.
All
the
boxes
that
are
the
same
unit
types
have
the
same
facade
treatments.
So
that's
where
a
little
bit
of
that
we
think
it's
fun
and
playful
I
know
the
last
time
we
talked
about
it
being
a
little,
maybe
too
loose,
but
that
that's
sort
of
the
window.
Openings
and
everything
are
all
driven
around
these.
T
These
very
efficient
units
that
we
have
I
think
the
idea
that
we
tried
to
show
here
was
that
tapering
of
the
building
in
between
the
existing
and
the
new
and
how
we
come
around
the
corner.
I
think,
last
time
we
didn't
have
a
great
shot
showing
that
there
are
windows
on
those
ends.
T
You
know,
I
think
that
we're
trying
to
activate
this
Courtyard
as
best
we
can
here
we're
showing
it
kind
of
at
a
dust
point.
You
know
we're
thinking
like
the
string
lights
across
the
top
to
keep
it
active
and
busy.
T
That
we
want
to
use
really
keep
it
more
pedestrian,
less
just
benches
and
things
like
that,
but
a
lot
more
active.
We
think
the
interaction
between
the
residents
coming
out
of
the
building
at
that
at
the
end
of
the
courtyard
here
or
the
corridor
you
know
and
then
their
decisions
to
go
down
below
to
the
parking
go
out
to
Hilliard
or
go
up
to
the
roof
deck.
T
You
know
kind
of
gives
a
good
mix
between
the
pedestrians
and
the
residents,
the
commercial
use
again
we're
still
working
through
that
this
rooftop
idea.
It's
conceptual
at
this
point,
I
mean
we
want
it
to
be
active.
We
want
it
to
be
multi-purpose.
We
don't
want
it
to
just
be
a
field
of
gravel
and
picnic
tables.
We
really
want
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
really
good
design,
for
it.
T
I
think
right
now,
conceptually
we're
showing
some
hard
surfaces,
some
soft
surfaces.
Again,
it's
we're
still
exploring
what
structurally
this
building
can
handle,
but
I
think
most
of
what
we're
showing
is
possible.
L
E
J
T
At
the
roof,
there's
actually
a
little
tiny
stair.
That
goes
up
the
back
that
we
think
you
know
we'll
explore
that.
So
we
added
a
new
elevator
in
this
building
over
here,
which
is
part
of
that.
What
we
kind
of
refer
to
as
the
annex
off
the
front,
which
gives
us
that
yeah
this.
T
So
that
really
is
going
to
be
internally
accessed.
What
I
think
that's.
T
So
our
accessible
entrances
right
now
are
all
right
here
at
grade.
Okay
and
then
that
would
then
tie
into
the
patio
too,
so
you'd
be
able
to
go
through
the
building
and
go
up.
T
T
So
the
only
other
thing
I
think
the
the
residential
style
Windows
is
really
what
we
like.
We
think
it's
appropriate
for
residential
building.
I
know
the
urban.
T
T
The
look
of
it
we
didn't
like
losing
them
and
we
did
not
like
putting
them
in
Bolt
session.
E
Okay,
I
still
don't
like
the
windows,
I,
think
part
of
what
I'm
reacting
to
is
that
there's
not
so
I
I
appreciate
the
the
the
the
revisions.
The
refinements
that
you've
made
I
would
say:
I
would
push
you
a
little
bit
further
and
say
that,
just
like
you
have
kind
of
a
so
on
these
kinds
of
plans.
We
have
these
kinds
of
exterior
materials,
I
would
say,
then
maybe
you
have
a
slightly
different
window,
shape
pattern
for
for
those
pieces,
because
it's
all
the
same
window
size
and
shape.
E
Although
you've
got
you've,
got
a
few
pairs
here
and
there
yeah,
but
for
the
most
part
it's
the
exact
same
window
and
it
doesn't
differentiate
in
proportion
or
or
size,
and
so
I
would
push
you
to
take
that
a
step
further
and
refine
your
window
sizes.
I
know
you
don't
want
to
Tunnel
window
sizes,
but
you
have
a
few
different
types
and
it
would
differentiate
the
types,
the
building
types
as
well
kind
of
not
the
building
types,
but
your
but
your
the
logic
of
your
language.
It's
a
little
muddy
to
me
because
the.
C
E
Are
so
consistent
throughout
the
different?
The
different
notes
that
you're
striking
there
so
I
I,
I
I'd,
say
that
first,
the
I
I
have
two
kind
of
main
things
that
I'm
still
struggling
with
a
little
bit.
My
main
one
is
the
view
of
the
building
coming
up.
Ashland
I
realize
you're
planning
things
and
I
realize
you're
doing
things
on
on
that
corner,
but
that
corner
is
going
to
be
very
prominent.
People
coming
from
the
south
of
town
driving
up
Ashland
and
they're.
Looking
at
that
and.
T
T
E
You
could
use
the
yellow,
yellow
playful
part
to
create
some
way
to
ground
that
corner
of
the
building
on
the
Ashland
pin
that
would
incorporate
it
would
take
that
that
corner
and
so
similar,
to
the
way
that
you've
used
the
little
yellow
part
to
kind
of
land
on
the
building
at
certain
places.
So
it's
the
little
yellow
part
is,
like
you
know,
come
in
here
come
in
here,
look
at
me
here
and
then
on
that
corner.
E
Maybe
there's
something
that
you
can
do
there
as
well:
okay
and
I,
just
again
that
that's
that
end
of
the
building
is
not
currently
and-
and
we
can
set
that
as
a
condition.
You
know
that
the
that
the
applicant
will
you
know,
incorporate
a
consistent
design
element
on
the
on
the
the
the
end
of
the
Ashland.
The
Ashland
end
of
the
building
and
I
and
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
Landscaping,
but
just
putting
plants
in
front
of
it
is
not
the
kind
of
landscaping
solution.
E
I'd
want
to
see.
You
do
I'd
want
to
see
some
kind
of
landscape
element,
a
designed
element,
not
just
a
couple
of
bushes
that
are
hiding
it,
but
it's
actually
integrated
and
I.
T
T
That
we
have
two
with
the
screening
for
the
for
the
security
screening
of
the
thing.
Is
you
know,
Vines
growing
up
and
integrating
into
the
building
I
mean
I,
don't
think
we'd
expect
it
just
to
be
low
level,
and
in
fact
you
know
like
in
the
rendering
you
can
see.
I
mean
we.
This
thing
is
just
growing
as
it
goes
down
the
hill
again
to
try
to
take
away
from
that
point
of
floating.
But
I
don't
disagree
with
your
comment
about
trying
to
ground
that.
E
So
I
I
want
to
say
that
about
that
piece.
In
my
my
last
thing
and
I
really
just
noticed
it
now
on
the
Hazen
Lunsford
building,
you
have
this
a
neat
little
Annex
and
it's
it
goes
up
and
then
the
screen
wall
goes
across,
but
I
kind
of
catch.
C
E
G
B
I
O
M
T
I
think
that's
part
of
it
I
think
what
we
continue
to
run
into
and
I
think
it
was
evident
in
the
previous
schemes.
Is
you
don't
realize
how
tall
this
early
is,
and
it
is
a
big
blank
wall
and
opposed
to
just
putting
in
either
fake
windows,
or
you
know,
bringing
that
screening
in
and
through?
It
really
just
ends
up
getting
very,
very
heavy
at
the
bottom.
So.
O
C
O
E
M
T
Q
D
That's
a
procedural
question:
I
mean
these
drawings.
Don't
look
done.
Are
we
giving
final
review?
There's
no.
C
D
Details
the
there
was
mention
of
screening
for
the
rooftop
Mechanicals,
but
it
doesn't
appear
that
there
really
is
theirs
is
not
enough
detail.
The
the
floor
plan
are
basically
just
schematic
diagrams
and
unit
types.
We.
D
F
C
E
D
D
I
haven't
heard
any
reason:
I
mean
I,
hear
the
commission
saying
bring
some
elements
and
let
the
building
like
land
on
the
ground
and
I'm
hearing
of
you,
the
I
I,
don't
know
why
you
wouldn't
bring
most
of
the
building
down
and
touch
the
ground
that
courtyard
that
entrance
from
Hilliard
comes
into
a
platform
that
feeds
the
existing
building.
But
there
are
two
residential
units
that
kind
of
wrap
around.
That
is
that
the
courtyard
you
were
talking
about
the
courtyard's,
the
one
in
the
center
yeah
yeah,
so
I
don't
know.
T
T
D
D
D
It's
gonna
really
work
yeah
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
last
review,
there's
almost
like
fire
escape
stairs
going
up
and
coming
down
from
it.
There
I
think
there
was
a
great
opportunity
for
that
to
draw
people
in
and
for
there
to
be
some
excitement
right
now.
It's
it's
basically
a
void
between
buildings
and
a
kind
of
a
functional
utilitarian
stair
going
up
and
stair
going
down.
D
I
think
the
architectures
is
trying
way
too
hard,
like
just
the
corner
unit,
next
to
the
haze
and
Lunsford
building
that
brown
piece
there's
one
unit
on
the
corner
and
it's
articulated
in
three
different
pieces
of
three
different
languages.
There's
that
tall
and
volume
and
then
there's
a
recessed
balcony
and
then
the
other
part
of
the
unit
is
the
other
map.
D
K
K
So
I
know
we
always
like
to
point
this
out
when
this
happens,
but
this
project
has
come
a
long
way
in
terms
of
improvements
and
it's
decreased
size.
There's
been
a
lot
of
comments
that
were
Incorporated
since
our
last
meeting.
K
I.
Just
think
that
you
know
it's
a
good
example
of
how
working
together
with
the
committee
and
with
the
developer,
you
know
the
building
looks
better
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
something
that's
more
marketable!
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
competition
on
that
street
in
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
and
it's
it's
come
a
long
way
so
yeah
and.
E
If
this
is
a
I'm,
sorry
process
is
this:
do
we
even
vote
on
it
if
it's
a
voluntary.
P
Our
desire
would
be
that
these
great
conversations
that
are
happening
today
from
Michael's
comments
to
to
the
adding
the
the
landscape
area
up
against
the
building
and
so
forth
that
those
follow
this
follow
us
today
as
conditions
or
suggest
recommendations,
so
that,
as
we
continue
forward,
that
stays.
E
F
B
Recommends
first,
so
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation
and
I
go
by
this
site
twice
every
single
day
and
I've
been
thinking
about
it.
Since
the
first
time
it
came
before
us
and
I
was
new
new
on
the
committee
and
and
what
I've
thought
about
is,
as
I
go
down
the
hill.
B
This
is
going
to
set
precedent
for
all
the
development
that
is
very
similar
in
terms
of
land
use
and
existing
buildings
on
the
way
down
all
the
way
to
I,
guess
it's
Morgan,
Avenue
and
Pfeiffer
Street,
and
so
just
for
us
as
a
committee,
to
make
note
that
whatever
we're
saying
and
sending
forward
with
with
you
all
could
be
referred
back
to
you
for
those
future
projects.
So
in
just
as
like
not
as
a
requirement
but
just
as
an
example
like,
for
example,
the
great
project
on
Hilliard
in
Ashland,
they
did
X,
Y
and
Z.
B
We
can
maybe
push
for
something
like
that
on
other
future
projects.
So
positive
feedback
is
important,
and
so
so
when
I
see
things
like
the
rain
Garden
in
the
site
plan
and
the
pervious
pavement
wanting
some
stuff
like
that
to
stay
as
you
move
forward
in
the
design,
because
those
are
important
precedents
for
our
downtown,
where
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
that
stuff
and
we're
asking
for
it.
B
I
have
a
question
about
the
streetscape
on
Ashland,
because
I,
like
the
Landscaping
Landscaping
in
urban
areas,
I
feel
like
is
challenging
and
we
ask
a
lot
of
plants
and
then
they
underperform
or
they
look
like
they're
just
trying
to
cover
things
up,
but
they
don't
do
a
good
job
of
it.
And
then
it
just
looks
bad
and
so
wondering
so
that
there's
that
statement
that
I
don't
think
we
have
to
have
a
heavy
hand
with
the
landscaping
and
I.
B
Don't
think
we
can
expect
it
to
screen
parts
of
the
building
or
uses
like
a
parking
garage
plants
aren't
going
to
do
a
good
job
at
that
we
have
to
design
the
architecture
to
stand
on
its
own
and
then
accentuate
with
with
plantings,
and
they
should
be
thought
of
with
the
same
degree
of
design
as
the
architecture
and
I
was
thinking
about
that
street
and
Ashland
is,
is
not
nice
to
walk
up
and
down
and
we're
having
more
and
more
people
living.
Here
we
have
the
school,
the
middle
school
there
we
have
the
YW.
B
We
have
it's
just
a
lot
of
pedestrians
and
more
and
more
pedestrians
using
that
space,
and
so
I,
like
the
idea
of
having
the
street
trees
along
the
street
to
provide
more
of
a
nicer
Street
environment
and
then
having
those
plantings
so
you're
walking
through
vegetation
and
you're
having
that
canopy
and
even
that
little
bit
of
a
softness
against
the
four-lane
street.
There.
C
L
C
M
P
B
P
P
P
Open
for,
like
I,
love
the
idea
of
a
recommendation
and
we
can
work
with
staff,
because
if
it's
allowed
I
like
the
idea
of
not
having
to
put
trees
in
tree
grates,
where
they're
confined
and
I
like
the
idea
that
you're
presenting
and
if
the
two
can
marry
with
public
works
and
zoning.
Where
utilities
yeah.
B
But
further
out.
J
B
And
then
the
other
thing
is:
oh,
this:
that
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site,
that
is
down.
P
L
J
C
P
Right
and
we,
through
our
through
neighborhood
meetings
and
conversations
through
the
three
different
versions
of
this
project,
we
were
intentional
about
taking
our
landscaping
and
kind
of
pushing
it
down
into
that
corner
to
the
degree
that
to
kind
of
help
buffer
through
there
and
currently
right
now,
there's
just
the
Old
Duke
power
when
they
owned.
It,
there's
just
a
big
fence
here
and
so
we're
looking
to
open
that
up,
as
clay
said
for
pedestrian
connectivity.
C
P
So
but
I
hear
you
that
was
our
intention
was
to
take
our
landscaping
and
and
and
focus
it
in
that
area,
especially
a
lot
of
our
Landscaping
building
impact
Landscaping
things
like
that
are
building
impact,
but
our
some
of
our
vua
and
so
forth
that
we
are
required
on
here
and
pushing
it
as
well
as
our
tree.
Pro
tree
canopy,
preservation,
yeah.
A
A
Yes,
let
me
open
up
for
a
public
comment.
I
believe
there
was
one
public
comment
online,
which
I
believe
you
addressed
in
your
in
Europe.
S
E
I'm
going
to
move
to
recommend
approval
and
then
open
up
for
recommendations
with
it
with
that
approval,
if
that's
okay,
I
moved,
recommend
approval
of
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
the
existing
building
in
the
new
construction
at
226
Hilliard
Avenue,
as
presented
based
on
site
plans,
elevations
and
materials
submitted,
and
discussions
heard
during
this
review.
E
K
E
And
the
pervious
paving
on
the
southwestern
portion
of
the
site
that
the
applicant
review
with
staff
and
other
authorities
having
jurisdiction
on
the
viability
of
incorporating
the
or
or
having
the
street
trees
along
Ashland
along
Ashland,
oh,
and
that
the
applicant
review.
I
can't
remember
how
I
said
it
earlier.
Chris
the
the
appropriate
landscape
design
between
the
required
10-foot
sidewalk
and
the
the
the
building
Edge.
E
A
And
do
we
have
a
boat.
E
D
Want
to
make
another
recommendation,
the
screening
of
the
rooftop
Mechanicals,
the
building
of
the
corner
of
clingman
and
Hilliard
I
played
tennis,
Aston,
Park
and
they're.
It's
supposed
to
be
screened
and
they're,
not
I'm,
just
wondering
how
do
we
actually
enforce
stuff
like
that?
That
happened?
You
don't
notice.
F
F
Oh,
is
that
the
one
that's
under
construction
or
the
existing
one,
the
existed
one?
Oh
yeah.
Typically,
you
know
staff
reviews
the
final
TRC
submission
for
compliance
with
the
zoning
and
then
other,
and
we
look
for
that.
That's
a
requirement
outside
so
you
know,
and
maybe
either
that
was
me
missed
in
the
staff
review
or
or
the
final
zoning
inspection.
But
if
they're
supposed
to
have
it
and
they
know
that
the
zoning
violation,
so
it
could.
N
F
An
enforcement
matter
for
an
existing
building
and
an
under
a
review
building
and
that
staff
should
should
catch
as
a
requirement.
Well,.
D
Maybe
the
condition
we
punch
up
that,
however
way
we
can
punch
it
up
so
that
it
it
gets
considered
as
it
moves
through
the
process,
because,
right
now
the
drawings
are
not
showing
just
a
couple
of
those
boxes.
Stick
up
the
rest
of
them.
Don't
so,
as
buildings
grow
up
tall
around
it
they're
going
to
be,
you
know,
kind
of
looking
at
it,
so
anyways.
F
D
C
M
F
Alrighty,
this
is
a
design
review
request
for
a
property
at
1,
30,
Biltmore
Avenue.
It
is
classified
as
level
one
project
located
in
the
CBD,
so
it's
before
you
for
a
voluntary
compliance.
Mandatory
review
type
process
here
is
the
site
outlines.
North
is
gosh,
North
is
to
the
right,
and
it
says
it's
the
top
button.
Unless
something
turned
around
completely
north
is
to
the
right
you
can
see.
F
Here's
some
some
context
photos.
This
is
the
existing
historic
building
on
on
the
side.
It's
currently
uses
a
doctor's
office
and
residential
and
or
lodging
uses
you
can
see
to.
The
left
of
that
is
a
current
surface
parking
lot
on
that
same
property
and
then
the
kind
of
conceptual
site
plan
try
to
zoom.
In
a
little
bit.
You
can
see
the
existing
building
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
site.
F
So
this
is
a
view
of
the
building
from
the
from
the
rear
of
the
East
Elevation
along
South
Market
Street
Extension
is
a
a
new
two
and
three
story:
commercial
caretaker
residents.
At
this
portion
of
the
lot.
It's
essentially
going
to
be
two
stories
as
seen
from
Biltmore
Avenue
and
then
three
stories.
As
seen
from
South
Market
Street,
you
can
see
that
the
vehicular
access
and
parking
which
is
in
garages
incorporated
into
the
building
is
from
the
rear
of
the
building.
It's
South
Market,
Street
Extension.
F
So
the
project
meets
the
Udo
design
and
operational
standards,
including
items
such
as
the
the
siding
height
and
massing
certain
aspects
of
the
project.
Meeting
the
design
guidelines
include
the
things
such
as
access
to
the
site
located
at
the
rear
of
the
building,
the
minimum
two
height,
sorry
minimum
height
of
two
stories
in
the
CBD
and
the
fenestration
details
which
require
a
20
opening
requirement
for
upper
story
elevations
and
then
for
this
building,
which
is
being
considered
a
residential
building.
F
The
project
would
be
basically
considered
exempt
from
the
key
pedestrian
street
requirement,
opening,
as
it
does
not
front
on
the
street
and
the
opinion
being
that,
since
it's
an
accessory
structure
on
the
site,
it
would
not
need
to
have
the
zero
foot
setback
as
new
buildings
typically
do
in
the
CBD.
F
So
that
is
one
portion
of
the
project
that
is
not
fully
meet
the
design
guidelines,
but
would
be
compliant
with
the
the
zoning
as
far
as
staff's
interpretation
of
that
and
also
be
exempt
from
the
requirement
that
80
of
the
frontage
is
covered
in
in
building.
Since
it's
not
fronting
on
the
street.
That
would
kind
of
be
void.
But
it
does
not
meet
that
aspect
of
the
guidelines
necessarily.
F
Also
that
the
materials
are
synthetic
and
simulated
finished
systems
which
are
recommended
against
in
the
in
the
guidelines.
Otherwise,
the
project
is
compliant
with
other
portions
of
the
downtown
design.
Guidelines
and
staff
recommends
approval
of
this
project
and
I'm
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
I
believe
there's
someone
from
the
applicant
team
here.
J
F
I
think
the
the
landscape,
architect
or
and
or
site
designers
here
as
well
to
answer
any
questions.
A
L
Q
F
Q
It's
a
good
question:
CBD
yeah.
F
So
there's
no
parking
required
for
that
use
so
that
it
wouldn't
Force
the
existing
use
into
non-compliance,
which
is
good
but
I'd.
Imagine
any
any
future
development
could
have.
Maybe
any
structured
parking
perhaps
definitely
would
encourage
encourage
that.
D
Well,
my
feeling
is
that,
hopefully,
at
some
point
in
the
future,
there
will
be
a
building.
Well
then
parking
lot,
and
as
such
this
accessory
unit
behind
it
is
downhill.
It
will
be
shielded
so
I'm
less
concerned
about
some
of
the
details
about
this.
A
E
J
F
All
right,
well
I'll,
make
this
presentation
brief
as
brief
as
possible.
It's
a
large
large
projects,
it's
a
large
project
so
do.
C
F
Kind
of
a
big
deal
you
know
so
good
afternoon
again
folks.
This
is
a
a
conceptual
master
plan
review
for
a
project
known
as
project
aspire.
F
I
will
walk
you
through
some
of
the
backgrounds
and
the
review
process
that
makes
this
review
a
little
bit
unique
to
projects
that
you
typically
review.
We
also
have
a
couple
applicants
with
us,
Robert
poppleton
from
the
Furman
company
and
Dave
Crabtree
who's,
the
architect
on
the
project,
so
they'll
be
able
to
present
a
little
more
detail
as
necessary
and
answer
questions
as
well.
F
Essentially,
what's
being
proposed
is
about
a
one
one
million
square
feet
in
downtown
to
either
side
of
the
First
Baptist
Church,
and
there
are
a
couple
phases
in
this
project
that
I'll
speak
to
a
little
bit,
some
pretty
substantial
buildings
in
in
total
and
a
good
number
of
uses
with
a
lot
of
mix
and
different
uses
going
on
kind
of
because
of
the
size
of
the
project,
the
the
phasing
of
it,
which
could
take
a
number
of
years.
F
The
city
has
basically
been
in
discussions
and
agreed
around
a
review
process
with
the
applicant
that
would
allow
it
to
get
kind
of
a
conceptual
master
plan,
approval,
which
is
something
we
don't
typically
do
a
lot
in
Asheville,
but
is
more
common
in
other
jurisdictions.
So,
essentially,
what
is
being
reviewed
you
know
now
and
over
the
next
couple
months
or
so
is
a
master
plan
of
the
site
that
enumerates
the
the
range
of
uses
being
proposed.
F
The
the
massing,
the
scale,
the
general
characteristics,
operations,
layout,
Transportation
functions
and
the
like
that
project
would
eventually
just
like
any
other
conditional
zoning
be
approved
by
city
council,
and
that
would
entitle
the
zoning
and
allow
them
to
be
able
to
to
to
eventually
build
what
they're
proposing
and
be
and
be
allowed
by
the
zoning.
F
Just
like
a
conditional
zoning
needs
when
it's
over
a
certain
size,
they
would
be
returning
in
a
couple
different
phases
for
kind
of
handled
like
a
level
two
project
downtown
like
like
the
Duke
kind
of,
except
that,
if
they
in
order
for
them
not
to
have
to
go,
have
to
go
back
to
city
council
for
a
conditional
zoning.
Amendment
they
would
need
your
approval
kind
of
like
a
hotel
project
downtown.
So
that's
part
of
the
CZ.
That's
going
to
run
into
the
project
conditions
that
gets
reviewed
and
adopted
by
city,
council
and.
E
F
E
I
mean
because
part
of
what
this
is
being
built,
as
is
there's,
there's,
affordable
housing,
there's
other
benefits
that
are,
that
is
part
of
this
CZ
and
right.
That's
not
really
our
purview
in
DRC,
but
in
downtown
commission
we're
not
super
excited
about
it
being
backloaded.
So
to.
G
F
And
we
have
been
talking
about
that
internally,
so
I
don't
have
a
great
answer
for
you
today,
but
it's
something
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
and
trying
to
get
our
heads
around
and
what
would
be
appropriate
and
permissible
to
yeah
to
ensure
that
the
phases
happen.
Even
if
only
one
phase
happens,
it
would
still
provide
benefit
to
the
city
in
the
long
run.
F
So
yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
I,
don't
have
a
great
answer
for
today,
but
anyhow
that
that
is
kind
of
how
the
review
process
is
being
proposed.
F
So
what
you're
you
know
seeing
in
the
application
materials
is
more
massing,
blocky
vague
than
you
would
see
for
typical
conditional
zoning
projects
that
are
being
reviewed
by
you
all,
but
the
the
catch
being
that,
while
that
allows
for
you,
know
the
the
plans
to
be
refined
over
time
and
allow
some
flexibility
in
that
design,
they
would
have
to
come
back
and
get
your
approval
at
the
specific
couple
of
phases
that
they're
currently
envisioning.
E
And
I
apologize
I,
so
I
I've
had
czs
before
and
then
we've
made
modifications
there's
something
in
the
the
Udo
that
kind
of
allows
the
planning
director,
if
it's
a
minor
modification
to
allow
that
change
to
be
happened.
This
was
like
you
know.
We
CZ
was
for
X
many
square
feet.
We
exceeded
it
a
little
bit
by
the
time
we
came
back,
but
they
were
able
to
say:
okay,
that's
a
minor
change
and
we
don't
have
to
go
back
through
Council
right
with
the
conceptual
master
plan.
E
U
E
F
So
some
of
that
is
handled
a
little
bit
at
the
staff
level,
but
so
so
this
project
will
go
to
Planning
and
Zoning,
commission
and
eventually
city
council.
For
this
entitlement
phase
and
but
at
the
final
review
phase
it
will
go
to
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
for
ministerial
review.
Well,
they
will
affirm
if
the
project
does
in
fact
meet
the
zoning
requirements
like
they
currently
do
for
downtown
projects,
so
I
think
in
the
next
round.
F
F
N
F
Know
more
detailed
plans
and
things
like
you
know,
specific
windows
and
dimensions
and
the
typical
things
that
we
see
so
it's
kind
of
how
Envision
it
we
envision
it
working.
Obviously,
you
know
things
get
a
little
blurry
and
and
spill
across
to
different
boards
and
commissions,
which
is
which
is
fine,
so
that's
kind
of
how
we're
envisioning
it.
F
That's
a
good
question
because
it's
it's
not
as
not
a
lot
as
far
as
details,
but
it
is
things
like
like
massing
building
Heights,
which
we'll
get
to
the
characteristics
in
generally
and
I.
Think
if
there
are
broader
conditions
or
considerations
that
you
all
would
like
to
see.
That
is
something
that
that
could
be
considered
in
consultation
with
the
applicant
and
part
of
the
approval
as
well.
But
it
would
be
more
to
conceptual
level.
D
Well,
I'm,
sitting
on
on
the
combined
document
on
page
17
and
18
it
kind
of
zeros
in
on
the
zoning
issues
that
are
building
setbacks,
step
backs
Heights
and
things
like
that
and
in
red
there
are
half
a
dozen
to
a
dozen
requests
for
variances.
G
D
F
So
I
will
I
will
speak
to
those
a
little
more
detail.
I
think
the
way
to
handle
that
is,
you
know,
perhaps
through
through
a
motion
to
approve
with
with
conditions,
I,
don't
think
those
conditions
we
would
be
binding
at
this
phase,
but
they
it
could
move
forward
to
planning
zoning
commission
for
their
consideration
and
then
and
then
they
would
be
making
recommendations
to
city
council
eventually
and
if
there
are
certain
parameters
that
you
felt
were
more
appropriate
for
them
to.
You
know,
receive
modifications
more
than
others.
F
I
think
that's
a
great
discussion
to
have
today
have
it
in.
Have
it
a
little
more
defined
to
be
part
of
a
motion,
and
that
would
because
it's
a
it's
a
little
more
this.
This
is
functioning
more
at
this
phase
like
a
a
traditional
conditional
zoning,
where
a
project
is
reviewed
and
doesn't
have
to
get
approval
to
move
forward,
but
it
the
applicant,
it
would
behoove
the
applicant
to
get
approval
as
it
moves
through
the
process
and
any
conditions
that
you
put
on
that
approval
could
be
considered
the.
C
E
D
Basically,
reviewing
and
approving
kind
of
a
conceptual
master
plan
with
some
forms
involved
and
then
we're
going
to
review
each
building.
And
then
we
can
zoom
in
on
each
building
more
specifically
as
to
whether
that
building
should
be
granted
a
variance
for
a
step
back
or
exceed
a
building
height
or
something
like
that.
But.
F
F
A
little
bit,
yeah
I'll
speak
a
little
bit
to
that
yeah.
So
there
have
been
some
small
modifications,
so
I'll
keep
the
overview
relatively
brief,
since
you
all
heard
a
much
more
refined
version
of
the
presentation
from
from
Dave
at
our
informal
design
review
meeting
back
in
March.
But
so
essentially
you
know
same
as
before.
There
are
basically
five
new
buildings
identified
and
the
colors
here
indicate
the
proposed
uses.
F
So
the
purple
at
building
two
is
proposed
as
a
hotel
use
up
to
20
stories
in
height
building,
one
would
consist
of
parking
wrapped
by
residential
and
the
new
YMCA
space,
and
let
me
see
if
there's
it.
F
F
Charlotte
Street
sorry
yeah,
correct
yeah
that,
and
that
is
something
that
we
asked
for
yeah
and
I'll
and
they're
they're
still
seeking
a
modification
for
that
requirement.
So
I
might
let
them
speak
to
the
intent
of
exactly
where
they're
at
and
thinking
about
that
screening,
but
I
think
they're
trying
to
provide
some
level
of
screening
along
that.
F
So
this
shows
the
phasing
plan,
which
I
think
is
important
because
phase
one
would
consist
of
the
demolition
of
the
State
Employee
Credit
Union
bank,
at
the
college
and
Oak
Street,
and
then
the
new
hotel,
mixed-use,
residential,
commercial
and
YMCA
building
and
then,
as
soon
as
that,
YMCA
building
was
occupied
and
the
YMCA
use
moved
to
that
corner
of
the
block
of
the
kind
of
Mega
Bloks.
F
So
to
speak,
the
second
phase
could
begin
and
what
that
consists
of
is
a
mix
of
residential
in
two
buildings,
building
two
and
building
three
and
then
actually
it's.
Those
are
phasing
numbers.
So
what
it
actually
is
is
residential
building,
four
residential
building,
five
with
with
parking
and
the
interior
and
then
office
mostly
office
and
building
number
three.
F
F
F
Yeah
you're
good-
this
is
a
pretty
good
one
here,
so
so
here's
building
two
a
20-story
hotel
and
lodging
building
at
the
corner
of
Charlotte
college
and
Oak
see
building
one
behind
it.
Six
stories
with
the
residential
retail
and
YMCA
building
three,
which
is
the
office
and
Retail
building,
and
the
blue
and
the
red
six
stories,
as
well
as
a
six-story
residential
building
behind
and
then
a
19-story
residential
retail
building.
F
So
some
new
figures
that
were
submitted
as
part
of
this
review
process
is
a
pedestrian
connectivity
kind
of
map
showing
you
know
where
connections
would
be
internal
and
external
of
the
site,
as
well
as
bicycle
connectivity
diagram
showing
those
connections
as
well
as
the
two
existing
Transit
stops.
Also.
F
F
So
I
might
speak
to
those
technical
modifications
a
little
bit.
So
you
know,
staff
has
provided
a
review
of
the
project
against
the
design
guidelines,
some
of
the
some
of
which
is
a
little
difficult
because
it
is,
you
know,
master
plan
level
review
at
this
phase
and
not
as
detailed
but
finds
that
the
project
is
supported
by
a
number
of
the
design
guidelines,
including
things
such
as
Street
orientation
and
lot
layout
height
and
massing.
F
So
it
obviously
meets
the
minimum
two
stories
and
is
within
the
maximum
height
allowed
per
the
two
different
tallest
height
zones
and
intermediate
height
zones.
So
tall
sight
zones
are
on
the
exterior
portions
of
these
sites
and
then
the
intermediate
height
zones
are
closer
to
the
church,
which
it
I
think
helps
with
the
vision
of
the
design
for
the
preservation
of
view
sheds
to
the
church
and
to
not
overwhelm
the
First
Baptist
Church.
That
was
a
big
consideration
of
the
project
generally.
F
So
other
parts
of
the
guidelines
that
the
project
would
would
be
required
to
meet
are
things
such
as
you
know,
ground
floor,
fenestration
and
facade
openings
I
should
mention
that,
basically,
all
the
streets
surrounding
surrounding
these,
this
development,
Charlotte,
College,
Oak
and
Woodfin,
I'm,
sorry,
yeah,
Charlotte
and
then
Central
on
the
west
side
are
all
key
pedestrian
streets.
So
there
are
those
enhanced
requirements
for
openings
that
the
project
would
be
required
to
meet,
as
well
as
the
standard
20
for
Windows
and
openings
on
upper
stories
as
well.
F
Seeking
technical
modifications
through
the
conditional
design
process
are
things
such
as
the
front
setback
requirement
of
zero
feet,
and
this
is
more
I
think
to
allow
the
project
to
consider
a
little
bit
more
of
an
enhanced
I
guess:
sidewalk
and
public
realm
depth
and
more
room
to
work
than
than
either
right
against
the
property,
Edge
or
right
against
the
10
foot
sidewalk.
F
F
You
know
planning
strip
between
the
building
and
the
sidewalk
is
what
is
basically
what
that
requirement
is
trying
to
avoid,
but
essentially
that
is
going
to
be
a
modification
that
would
would
not
hold
them
to
be
required
for
that
part
of
the
Udo
which,
which
is
also
a
guideline
in
the
in
the
on
the
downtown
design
guidelines.
F
Great,
so
no
no
thank
you
so
yeah
I
think
so
some
of
these
will
be
kind
of
changed
and
some
I
think
trying
to
find
it
might
be.
It
might
be
technically
a
modification,
but
it
wouldn't.
It
would
be
more
of
a
relaxing
of
some
of
these
requirements
so
as
as
previously
previously
submitted,
the
keep
pedestrian
street
requirement
for
parking
decks
on
Charlotte
Street
would
be
waves,
but
I
know
they
heard
loud
and
clear
from
a
number
of
Boards
of
commissions
and
staff.
F
That's
some
kind
of
treatment
along
Charlotte
Street
at
the
ground
level
is
going
to
be
really
important,
so
I
know
they've
been
working
on
that,
so
I
think
they
can
speak
a
little
more
to
how
they're
addressing
that
requirement
and
whether
they
even
need
a
modification.
As
the
project
moves
forward.
F
There
are
a
number
of
requirements
for
either
step
backs
both
at
the
street
Wall
height.
So
typically,
projects
are
required
to
have
a
10
foot
wide
step
back
at
about
the
two
or
three
story
Mark,
depending
on
the,
in
this
case
the
width
of
the
right-of-way.
Now
some
of
these
right-of-ways
are
over
75
feet
wide
and
therefore
a
step
back
is
not
required
and
that
would
be
more
on
Woodfin
and
Oak
and
College
Street,
perhaps
Charlotte.
F
It
would
be
required
more
on
narrower
streets
like
Central
Avenue,
but
they
are
seeking
a
modification
for
that,
and
my
understanding
is
that,
while
they
want
to
articulate
the
buildings,
they
also
want
relief
from
that
kind
of
very
stringent
10
foot
by
for
two-thirds
of
the
building
length
at
that
street
Wall
height.
So
that's
another
modification.
There
are
also
two
more
modifications
for
buildings
above
75
feet
in
height.
F
Basically,
the
idea
being
that
buildings
over
75
feet
have
to
significantly
reduce
their
floor
plate
design
to
about,
in
this
case,
40
percent
of
the
40
percent
of
the
lot
area.
So
it
involves
a
little
bit
of
math,
but
essentially
it
would
reduce
the
floor
plates
above
75
feet
by
perhaps
almost
half,
which
they're
seeking
relief
from
also
there's
requirements.
That
above
for
floor
is
above
75
feet.
F
F
There's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
the
public
realm,
the
street
section
widths
internal
to
the
site
and
trying
to
make
them
obviously
compliant
with
you
know
fire
and
access
standards,
but
also
have
them
function
as
a
as
an
urban
street
green
storm
water
infrastructure,
thinking
about
kind
of
vehicular
movements,
improving
the
gateway
to
the
to
the
site
in
to
the
site
from
other
areas
of
downtown,
particularly
along
Charlotte
Street,
inviting
people
into
the
site
not
just
around
it,
working
on
some
specific
design.
Considerations
like
this
corner
of
Charlotte
and
College
Street.
F
So
it's
something
that
activates
the
street.
It's
not
just
like
a
leftover
area
celebrating
kind
of
The
Eclectic
nature
of
the
First
Baptist
Church
into
the
design
of
the
new
buildings
considerations
about
the
phasing
as
previously
previously
mentioned,
and
then
one
design
item
that
was
explicitly
addressed
is
kind
of
the
flipping
of
the
upper
story,
step
backs
of
the
two
tall
buildings
so
before
the
taller
portion,
abutted,
College,
Street
and
Central
Avenue.
F
G
F
Yep
so
so
opinions
might
vary,
but
that
was
one
idea
expressed
to
provide
more
relief
to
the
streets
and
then
have
the
taller
portion
interior
to
the
street.
F
There
are
also
a
number
of
comments
shared
at
the
downtown
commission
last
Friday
things
like
the
amount
of
affordability,
affordable
housing
and
Workforce
level,
affordability
in
the
projects,
more
discussion
about
Green,
Building
and
Innovative
storm
water,
storm
water
management
techniques
like
like
green
roofs,
preservation
of
the
large
maturing
Street
trees
along
Oak
and
Woodfin
Street,
where
possible,
which
I
believe
the
project
is
intending
to
do,
trying
to
create
more
continuity
in
design
between
these
taller
buildings
and
the
relatively
shorter
buildings
to
reduce
those
discrepancies
again
designing
the
internal
streets
to
function
more
as
public
streets
and
not
feel
like
private
areas
of
the
development,
and
also
ensuring
that
new
buildings
relate
in
some
design
consideration
to
existing
buildings
and
historic
buildings
in
the
area.
F
So
that
is
pretty
much.
My
presentation
hitting
hitting
the
high
notes
there
I'm
not
going
to
take
more
time
than
necessary
staff,
is
recommending
approval
of
this
conceptual
master
plan
for
the
projects
by
the
way
the
applicants
here
they
might
be
able
to
provide
more
detail
and
to
answer
any
questions.
I've
got
to
answer
any
questions
you
all
may
have
for
me
as
well.
F
E
Are
they
procedurally,
you
go
from
here
to
pnz,
correct
and
then
directly
to
council?
That's
correct!
Okay!
So
when
are
the
actual
conditions
going
to
be
written
down.
F
Yeah
they'll
be
ready
in
advance
for
the
planning
zoning
commission
hearing
we're
currently
working
on
scheduling
a
special
meeting
for
June
21st.
That
would
allow
for
the
review
of
this
project
solely
and
they
would
be
reviewing
those
conditions
on
those
project
conditions
and
talking
about
any
other
ones
as
appropriate
and.
F
Correct
yep,
so
your
conditions
could
be,
but
but
they're.
A
F
Correct
so
any
conditions
that
get
Incorporated
any
the
massing.
So
let's
say
they,
you
know
they're
showing
a
20-story
building
for
the
hotel
and
and
that
and
that's
the
maximum
written
into
the
code.
Let's
say
into
the
project
conditions
and
they
come
back
with
25
story
building,
even
though
it
maybe
meets
the
the
max
Building
height
in
the
in
the
zoning
technically
in
the
in
the
CBD.
That
would
be
something
that
would
be
clearly
clearly
out
of
the
the
realm
of
what
they
got
approved
for
so
yeah.
D
D
O
R
E
E
Yep,
so
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
is
that
there's
a
nice
diagram
that
shows
the
height
in
a
more
analog
kind
of
thing,
whereas
this
is
very
digital,
you
know,
and
we
were
just
saying
that
it
would
be
nice
or
or
it
might,
it
might
be
preferable.
And
obviously
this
depends
on
you
know.
As
you
go
up,
it
changes,
building
type
yada
yada.
We
understand
that,
but
I
think
yeah,
we'll
back
up
a
couple.
E
There's
two
there's
that
one
in
plan
and
if
you
go
up
one
more,
will
that's
the
one.
That's
it
you
know
so
that
one
was
showing
you
know
more
of
a,
and
we
were
just
saying
you
know
that
there
could
be
more
variation
in
height
than
what
you're
currently
showing
and
you
could
get
a
little
bit
more
height
in
the
ones
that
Robin
said.
I
don't
have
a
memorable.
K
C
E
F
F
So
some
of
those
recommendations
you
know
could
be
could
be
part
of
the
requirements
and
the
project
conditions
that
they
would
have
to
handle
going
forward
as
well.
So
so.
E
Again
again,
we'll
what
the
applicant
staff
is
looking
for
us
to
do
today
is
to
have
a
vote
with
any
specific
conditions
that
staff
can
pass
along
to
p
and
Z
correct
that
can
be
incorporated
otherwise,
I
mean.
N
E
E
E
Words
yeah.
We
come
up
with
a
green
roof
requirement
between
between
now
and
the
next
thing
that
exceeds
what
what
the
applicant
is
about
to
promise
just
I'm
just
I'm,
just
throwing
that
out
there
as
a
right
as.
N
F
It's
I
know
for
zoning
changes.
There's
a
permit,
Choice
act,
I
think
it's
called
where,
if
you
get
approved
for
a
project
today
under
today's
zoning
exactly
but
you
want
to
build
in
a
year
from
now
and
the
zoning
changes
you
can
choose
which
zoning
you
want
to
comply
with,
but
you
have
to
do
you
you
can't
you
can't
a
la
carte.
You
can't
pick
from
each
one.
You
have
to
go
with
one
full
one
or
full,
the
other
right,
so
I
I
would
imagine.
F
We
would
apply
a
similar
review
to
this
one.
F
E
F
Know
the
answer
to
that
and
that
that
has
not
come
up
before
that's
something
we
can.
We
can
figure
out
and
either
have
a
an
agreement
in
place
with
the
applicant
through
the
project,
conditions
or
I
would
make
that.
E
As
part
of
the
project
conditions
that
it's
the
current
design
guidelines-
yes
just
to
make
it
clear
current
at
the
time
current.
E
G
F
N
F
N
F
U
If
I
can
got
it,
okay,
it's
like
playing
a
the
old
scratch.
N
U
Good
afternoon
my
name's
Dave
Crabtree
at
architect
with
Hive
workshop
and
our
client
Furman
group
and,
of
course,
the
wife
and
the
church
respectively,
I
think
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
of
you
I
know,
Michael's
been
on
some
previous
calls
and
informal
reviews.
We've
done
several
calls,
so
I
I've
lost
track
of
who
may
or
may
not
have
been.
We
do
appreciate
all
all
the
feedback.
U
I
do
think
many
of
the
conditions
that
we've
asked
for
the
technical
modifications
we've
been
trying
to
address
them
along
the
way,
partly
because
it's
as
a
you
know,
it's
a
big
project
and
the
intent
has
always
been
to
create
a
pedestrian
friendly,
Urban
environment,
respecting
your
code,
but
only
asking
where
we
thought
something
might
be
needed,
so
I'll
kind
of
go
through
them.
A
little
bit.
Invest
on
my
memory,
not
hitting
all
the
setbacks,
for
example,
or
build
two
lines.
U
If
I
can,
when
you
look
at
the
master
plan,
for
example
here,
if
I
can
find
it,
you
know,
there's
many
areas
where
the
park
space
I
could
center
this
right.
U
You
know
that
would
be
a
non-build
two
line,
for
example
that
really
wouldn't
meet
your
code,
but
it's
very
specific
to
frame
views
and
vistas
of
the
church,
steeple,
and
so
those
are
the
areas
that
we're
thinking
the
corners,
for
example,
because
it
is
a
larger
project.
You
know
those
are
areas
where
we
think
having
some
spatial
relief
on
on
that
type
of
corner.
U
As
people
are
approaching,
you
know
I'm,
sparing
you
guys
some
of
the
analysis
that
we
did
on
granularity
and
development
patterns
and
and
even
thinking
about
your
Skyline,
how
it's
really
points
on
on
the
sky
right
you're,
not
a
solid
Skyline,
so
things
when
you
think
about
our
sort
of
what
we
call
the
mountain
in
the
valley,
the
two
respective
end
caps
of
the
the
hotel
in
the
residential
building.
Four,
for
example,
those
are
kind
of
framing
it.
U
The
I'll
speak
to
those
in
just
one
more
second,
if
I
can
find
back
to
the
sorry.
This
is
not
I'm
I'm
driving
this
thing
for
the
first
time.
U
So
technically,
if
you
see
here,
we
could
build
the
265
foot
in
those
areas,
and
so
some
of
our
requests
above
the
75
foot,
is
looking
at
the
totality
of
the
site.
So,
instead
of
trying
to
build
and
fill
that
with
the
maximum
height
possible
and
then
the
intermediate
Zone,
which
we
could
build
to
145
foot
in
the
green,
we're
sort
of
self-imposing,
if
you
will,
you
know
this
sort
of
mountain
in
the
valley
to
your
point
could
building
you
know.
U
Some
of
the
buildings
in
the
back
here
are
very
limited
in
their
construction
type
because
they
are
intended
to
be
residential
and
so
that
one,
the
two
Office
Buildings.
So
they
grow
a
floor
or
something
it's
possible.
We've
tried
to
give
a
Max,
Min
and
say
well:
we'll
have
150
000
square
foot
of
office.
Don't
quote
me
on
that
number,
but,
for
example,
and
if
it
grows
to
120
or
down
to
125
or
to
160
those
could
be.
U
U
It's
it's
somewhat,
going
to
be
yeah
parking,
driven,
Market,
driven
and
just
to
individual
users,
because
there
will
be
multiple
teams
coming
in.
This
is
not
like
Dave
Crabtree
coming
in
and
designing
all
these
buildings
yeah.
No
well,
maybe
I
do
love
y'all's
design,
review
board.
I
I
was
watching
your
comment,
so
it's
really
fun
to
be
a
part
of
when
you're
not
in
front
yeah.
L
U
You
know,
but
it
is
about
creating
a
design
environment
right
this.
These
buildings
are
here
for
for
a
long
time,
and
the
Furman
groups
respects
that
in
the
church
and
YMCA
respect
that
as
well
absolutely
so
those
are
some
of
the
back
to
the
hype.
You
know
we
have
also
kind
of
created
a
church
sort
of
we
called
the
Dome
Zone
these
yellow
areas
and
stepped
it
down
further.
So
that's
kind
of
some
of
the
logic
that
came
up
I
want
to
and
then
of
course,
we're.
U
Zone,
you
know
really
adjacent
there,
which
is
intended
to
be
that
sort
of
park
space.
Now
we
are
in
master
plan
and
overall,
as
I
come
back
to
this,
you
know,
you're,
looking
at
we've
tried
to
strip
the
buildings
down
to
make
them
just
masses.
So
we
don't
imagine.
This
is
just
going
to
be
a
blank
place
of
grass
that
might
be
a
place
where
rain,
Gardens
and
other
sort
of
features
that
have
come
up
in
the
past.
U
You
know
they're
passive,
active
lawn
activities.
You
know
cornhole
to
a
place
for
kids
to
play
fountains.
We
don't
really
know
what
we
don't
know
yet,
so
we
do
anticipate
those
sort
of
thing
things.
What
we've
tried
to
use
is
that
language,
in
our
kind
of
mimicking
your
language
and
enhancing
in
some
cases,
so
activated
pedestrian
facade.
U
So
when
we
point
at
a
facade,
we've
tried
to
put
precedent
images
that
give
you
some
sense
of
where
we
would
be
heading
in
in
trying
to
be
in
the
spirit
of
of
your
of
your
code.
U
I
want
to
address
very
specifically
the
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
find
we
have
the
massing
prior.
We
were
keeping
only
our
office
building
because
again
it
was
going
up
above
the
75
foot,
so
we're
trying
to
keep
that
as
a
smaller
footprint
is
we
were
asked
to
move
to
residential.
We
started
to
need
we're
at
only
200.
Excuse
me
not
even
200
supportive
units
if.
Q
U
Memory
is
Right,
which
is
very
modest
for
a
residential
deal
in
in
this
sort
of
u-shape.
So
somebody
mentioned
hey
that
mass
is
different.
It
is
different
because
we
were
trying
to
hey
bring
in
some
of
the
workforce
housing,
and
so
now
we
went
from
a
more
singular
what
used
to
be
just
a
singular
sort
of
pop-up
in
the
parking
deck
staying
low
to
the
mass
thing
that
you
see
now.
U
So
that's
in
part,
that's
still
around
80
foot
is
our
goal
and
that
gets
into
our
85
foot,
which
gets
into
back
to
residential
product
to
be
in
a
stick
built.
You
can
do
hybrid
construction
and
be
up
to
85
foot
before
it
has
to
go
to
concrete.
If
it
went
to
concrete,
then
it
would
kill
the
deal.
Essentially,
the
cost
wouldn't
work
trying
to
go
through
and
see.
If
we
can
find.
U
Very
specifically,
we
addressed
the
the
conversations
around
you
know
addressing
some
level
of
corner
design.
Again
these
are
masses
to
give
a
sense
of
what
you
mentioned
form-based
code.
The
final
design
may
not
have
that
exact
same
footprint,
but
it's
like
hey.
We
need
to
design
a
corner
there
and
create
a
recess
a
little
Garden
in
terms
of
the
the
lower
pedestrian
scale,
bringing
sort
of
liner
space
very
specifically
down
to
the
street,
and
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
to
address
that.
E
So
the
intent
is
not
on
these
massing
models
in
the
preferred
master
plan.
The
intent
is
not
to
bind
yourself
to
a
specific
massing
model
per
se,
but
this
is
showing
conceptually
how
it
could
be
applied.
Yeah.
U
Right
because
there's
there's
a
separate
Hotel
Group
designing
a
hotel
I'm
not
going
to
be
dictating
them
exactly
how
you
know
they'll
be
following
the
general
massing
form
so,
for
example,
the
request
for
that
for
them
to
make
a
viable
footprint.
Those
are
around
a
fifteen
thousand
square
foot
floor
plate
which
is
Tiny
I
know
they
look
big
because
they're
tall,
but
that
gives
them
the
number
of
units
they
need,
and
so
they'll
be
filling
that
kind
of
envelope.
But
their
Corner
may
not
be
shaped
exactly
that
way.
U
They
would
be
playing
with
recesses
and
you
know,
defining
the
corner,
but
it
may
vary
slightly
and
that's
where
we
feel
like
the
second
round
of
what
call
CZ
2.0
I
could
be
using
the
wrong
language
here.
We're
in
CZ
1.0
in
my
brain
and
2.0
would
be
future
where
we
come
back
the
hotel
and
it.
U
E
Sorry
now
I
I
would
say
that,
like
all
of
the
kind
of
vignette
language
architecture
that
you're,
showing
and
even
in
the
mass
scene,
lends
itself
to
a
a
a
modern.
E
U
Do
yeah
the
adults
that
would
I
think
add,
texture
and
and
scale
and
character
to
the
development.
So
I,
you
know.
Okay,
these
images,
our
teams
are
I,
am
I'm
a
reflexive
modernist,
we've
I,
designed
in
all
sort
of
variations
in
its
reflexive
of
context
and
scale
and
brand
and
telling
a
story,
but
the
images
are
kind
of
coming
from
our
team.
So
it's
yes,
they
could
vary
in
style,
I,
I,.
E
C
E
U
D
Kind
of
affirming
the
study
which
I
I
think
is
really
cool
and
I
wish
more
projects
would
separate
the
architect
from
the
master
planning
because
I
think
it
freeze
it
up.
So
you
got
one
brain
kind
of
looking
at
forms
and
stuff
and
then
Architects
follow
behind
it
and
realize
that
I
think
it's
hopefully
it'll
be
a
much
better
project.
Hopefully
if
at
least
three
or
four
different
Architects
are
involved,
unless
you
can
change
your
hats
really
good,
you.
U
Know
even
in
large
Pro
I've,
you
know,
I
put
my
Urban
Design
I
have
an
Urban
Design
background
as
well
as
architecture
and
and
so
for
me.
I
struggle
with
big
projects
like
this
as
an
architect
like
you
guys,
I've
lived
in
Hong,
Kong
and
other
places,
and
the
granularity
is
hard
to
obtain
as
a
singular
architect
to
think
you
can
design
buildings
like
this
and
anytime
I've
done.
We
do
the
illustratives
over
this.
It's
used.
We
usually
bring
in
five
or
six
of
us
say
I'm
going
to
take
this
corner.
M
U
That
that
would
you
know
we've.
There
are
some
illustrative
in
here.
What
phase
one
could
look
like
and
those
aren't
designs
either
and
we've
talked
about
doing
those
for
the
whole
site,
but
it's
like
when
you
do
that.
It
would
be
us
doing
that
and
it
just
and
it
would
be
fake
architecture
anyways
and
for
future
Architects
to
come
in
well.
D
I
guess
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
that
I'm
in
favor
of
giving
giving
flexibility
but
I,
don't
know
how
to
set
conditions
on
that
like
yeah,
we
can
let
go
of
the
step,
backs
and
setbacks,
but
not
on
the
whole
site
and
not
every
building
right.
E
Well,
but
so
I
think
we've
got,
we've
got
the
we've
already
got.
What
they're
asking
for
so
they're
asking
for
specific
flexibility
on
the
setbacks,
specifically
as
shown
on
the
current
design,
specifically
at
the
intersection
of
Central
and
Woodfin,
on
the
intersection
of
of
Oak
and
college
intersection
of
college
in
Charlotte,
and
then
on
the
approach
from
Woodfin
towards
the
church.
E
This
wonderful
you've
created
the
form-based
code
right
here
and
that
that's
what
we're
gonna,
whether
it's
us
or
some
other
group,
five
ten
years
from
now,
is
going
to
refer
back
to
that's.
Why
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
the
illustratives
right
referenced
correctly,
because
memories
aren't
as
long
as
we
would
hope
they
would
be
yeah.
U
G
D
U
A
five
foot
articulation
and
technically
on
Charlotte
and
college
in
Oak.
There
are
no
step
back
requirements
because
the
right-of-ways
are
greater
than
70
foot.
Now
we're
still
showing
them
at
five
foot,
because
we
as
big
as
this
side
is
believe
it
or
not.
It
actually
gets
tight
when
you
start
throwing
in
the
structural
dimension
of
a
parking
deck
and
some
of
the
other
uses.
So
we
are
trying
to
respect
that
technically
a
we
are.
You
know.
D
I'm
not
saying
a
really
good
view,
looking
at
the
face
of
the
hotel
or
seeing
some
oblique
views
from
corners,
so
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable
just
giving
them
a
pass
on
any
of
that.
But
I
think
if
it's
done
well,
it
could
work
but
and
same
thing
coming
up
Woodman
next
to
the
current
Y.
Is
that
the
name
of
that
street
that
tall
building
that
Residential
Building
you.
E
So
Michael
to
your
point,
if
you
have
it,
this
is
what
this
is
where,
where
we
can
help
Enz
today,
is
that
what
we
need
to
do
is
say
that
we
are
in
recommendation
of
accepting
those
variances
to
the
forgive
me
the
the
the
step
back
in
the
building.
You
know
the
the
length
of
the
building
as
long
as
the
final
building
design
on
Spirit,
the
intent
of
the
downtown
design
guidelines
for
articulation
and
Variety
in
the
facade
just.
E
A
Yeah
yeah
I
think
that
that
building
to
I'm
more
comfortable
with
the
variance
than
building
four
building,
four
to
me
just
does
not
fit
the
scale
of
Central
Avenue.
D
U
U
Grew
up
in
Miami
and
the
architect
Tonica
building
there.
It
always
amazed
me,
as
a
beautiful.
U
See
if
I
can
get
to
it,
sorry
again,
for
what
we
did
do
is
address
the
massing
and
step
it
down
towards
the
street
Edge
and
again,
that
is
the
265
foot
Zone
you
know
by
right,
but
trying
to
keep
it.
You
know
so
we're
sure
what
I,
wouldn't
some
architect
in
the
future
would
not
have
those
recesses
there.
U
But
it
was
our
attempt
and
then
what
you'll
notice
is
step
performance
guidelines,
saying
animate
and
articulate
masking
above
75
foot
step
back
massing
at
the
skyline,
so
we've
tried
to
add
language
that
would
be
Performance
Based
and
not
get
too
prescriptive
is
where
we
were
in
a
trying
to
accommodate
comments
to
date
and
then
show
a
couple
of
examples
that
are,
you
know,
doing
those
sort
of
things.
D
N
U
Second
round
of
design,
when
people
are
coming
back
with
illustrative,
so
I'm
assuming
you're,
going
to
be
very
astute,
we
one
other
thing
that
came
up
was
about
defining
a
Gateway.
You
know,
for
example,
in
that
pass-through
that
comes
through
there,
so
you
know
so
that
has
been
a
a
performance-based
thing
to
say:
hey
there
would
be
a
Gateway
along
Central.
D
U
C
O
D
Yeah,
but
just
just
the
height
of
that
and
it's
facing
a
building
that
will
soon
be
under
construction
right
that
may
or
may
not
have
the
stuff
it
wants
to
react
to.
So
it's
just
hard
to
to
say
forget
about
step,
backs
on
that
side.
E
Well,
I
think
some
of
this
is
so
that
that
I
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
stuff
on
College
the
hotel
piece,
the
the
phase,
one
hotel
yps,
it's
this
end
of
the
site
that
I'm
I'm,
somewhat
struggling
with
just
because
of
the
size
of
that
building,
knowing
how
many
people
are
are
coming
from
the
north
coming
underneath
and
coming
up
Central
to
come
into
town
and
how
many
are
going
to
be
engaged
with
that
now
you
have
things
like
articulate
ground
levels
with
The
Pedestrian
scale
and
active
Street
design
right,
but
you're
taking
what
right
now,
you
know
is
walking
beside
the
Y
and
it's
going
to
become
walking
beside
a
pretty
pretty
big
building.
E
That's
going
to
limit
your
your
sunlight
and
everything
so
I,
don't
know
how
to
strengthen
that
language
to
find
Gateway
along
Central
I'm,
just
trying
to
think
about
like
what
we
can,
what
we
can
say
to
make
sure
that
someone
just
said.
You
know
that
if
we
do
get
a
mediocre,
not
that
you're
gonna
hire
mediocre
architect
on
purpose
but
we're
out
there-
and
you
know
sometimes
we
snooker
you.
So
you
know.
Sometimes
we
slip
writing
to
this,
because
we
just
we
just
I
know
we
just
get
on
the
commission.
Hey.
E
A
A
U
E
Basically,
it
says:
articulated
pedestrian
friendly
I
can't
remember.
U
Well,
in
the
the
we've
kept
shorthand
in
this
presentation,
there's
technical
modifications
where
we
say
two-thirds
of
the
facade
will
be
an
animated
facade,
could
step
between
three
and
five
stories,
because
some
of
yours,
your
street
wall,
gets
pretty
tall,
and
so
our
concern,
even
here,
is
like
well.
If
you
put
a
six-story
wall
along
Central,
you
might
as
well
just
put
a
20-story
tower
against
it,
because
you
know
versus.
J
U
Two-Story
to
three-story
so
we've
in
the
technical
modification,
we
did
try
to
loosen
the
language
delay
in
a
lower
Street
wall.
If
you
will
and
then
the
five
foot
step
back
above
those
areas,
and
then
this
is
kind
of
illustrative.
What
starts
to
happen
when
you
do
that,
but
and
really
that
internal?
What
we've
called
Fellowship
way?
There's!
No,
you
know
we're
designing
it,
but
it's
really
it's
an
internal
Street.
You
know.
B
Building
Against,
The,
Pedestrian
environment
I
think
the
same
thing's
happening
on
College
and
we
have
the
East
End
Valley
neighborhood.
That
could
really
benefit
from
more
accessibility
into
you
know
this.
This
area
as
well,
and
so
thinking
about
wider
sidewalks
in
general,
like
more
than
the
minimum
right
I,
think,
will
really
help
accomplish
what
we're
seeing
in
in
all
of
your
precedent,
images.
U
U
So,
for
example,
along
oh
we're,
we
we
have
a
10-foot
sidewalk,
but
we
have
about
a
20-foot
area
because
of
the
planting
buffer.
So
we
it's
you've
and
that's
because
we're
trying
to
keep
those
existing
trees,
and
at
that
point
we
don't
have
the
intrusions
of
the
five
foot
tree
grates
into
the
sidewalk.
So
it
was
okay
to
have
a
10
foot
minimum
there.
That's
similar
in
front
of
the
the
Y
here
along
as
Oak
and
wood
fan
as
well.
U
So
for
the
most
part
we
have,
you
know
greater
than
10
foot
area
assigned
to
pedestrian,
but
we
might
only
have
10
foot
of
walkway,
but
then
you
have
the
planting
zone
that
happens
along
along
college
or
excuse
me
Charlotte
as
you
come
off
at
240,
for
example,
we've
moved
a
planting
zone
along
that
edge
and
kept
a
wide
sidewalk,
putting
the
planting
zone
along
the
street
to
give
some
kind
of
buffer,
because
as
much
as
we
want
that
to
be
a
pedestrian
street,
it's
still
a
vehicular.
C
D
With
a
lighter
building
and
turning
that
corner
the
intersection
of
college
in
Charlotte
and
so
by
showing
it
here
now
we
are
locked
into
that
right.
So
there's
there's
no
going
back
so,
for
instance,
since
you,
since
you
turned
that
hotel
and
didn't
leave
that
break
facing
that
intersection
there
of
college
in
Charlotte,
is
there
anything
by
approving
this?
That
would
keep
you
from
shifting
that
hotel
towards
that
corner.
E
D
I,
just
I
just
feel
like
we
have
the
remnants
of
the
60s
kind
of
traffic
pattern
and
it's
kind
of
a
Gateway
and
I
think
you're
trying
not
to
like
engage
that
intersection
and
I.
Think.
Maybe
if
you
engage
it
and
we
don't
fix
the
the
pavement
that
maybe
that
intersection
actually
gets
better
yeah,
somehow
it
becomes
more
urban.
That's
a.
U
U
It
right
so,
but.
U
I
think
so,
especially
in
the
future
design
phase
the
goal
there
would
be
to
articulate
the
corner
and
create
a
you
know:
we've
that
does
seem
like
a
place
where
I
I
don't
know
you
know
it
depends
on
what
happens
with
the
traffic
pattern.
If
traffic
was
slower
there,
then
you
have
more
room
to
push
more
Building
forward
and
you
know
not
have
as
much
relief
for
pedestrians.
You
know.
That's
the
I,
don't
know
what
the
final
layouts
will
be
for
the
hotel.
U
You
know,
but
they
are
talking
about
some
meeting
spaces
and
things
like
that,
so
you
could
imagine
if
there
were
Courtyards
there
that
might
be
a
place
where
some
of
their
amenity
space
spills
out
onto
the
corner
for
some
outdoor
seating,
for
example,
their
entrance
is
intended
to
be
on.
You
know:
Oak
Woodfin
Corner,
which
is
more
appropriate
place
for
them.
D
M
E
A
To
move
to
public
comment,
there
was
one
con
which
I
think
we've
addressed
most
of
the
comments
they
were
regarding
Charlotte
Street
in
the
conditions
there
and
then
do.
We
have
any
public
comment
in
the
room.
A
E
As
discussed
that
the
proposed
architecture,
the
proposed
architectural
precedence,
include
a
broad
range
of
architectural
Styles
and
response
and
contextual
responses
that
the
applicant
continue
to
or
or
that
they
that
the
proposed
designs
engage
exceed
the
Udo
requirements
for
sidewalk
widths.
E
Master
plan
documents
that
the
applicant,
what
do
we
say
about
the
storm
water
I'm?
Trying
to
remember
what
we
said
at
downtown
design.
B
G
E
B
B
East
Valley
neighborhood
but
I
think
so.
Developing
a
relationship
with
East
End,
Valley
neighborhood
to
mitigate
construction
impacts,
help
build
community
capacity
and
can
just
as
we're
considering
with
the
Central
Avenue
pedestrian
environment.
Other
neighborhoods
in
the
area.
E
F
E
Yeah
I
don't
know
it
is
what
it
is
right
now.
The
property
line
is
the
property
line.
If
that
gets
changed.
How
would
we
say
that
that,
in
the
in
the
event
that
the
that
the
property
line
and
the
existing
interchange
at
Charlotte,
Street
and
I'm,
blanking
College
is,
is
modified,
that
the
applicant
has
the
ability
to
shift
the
proposed
Hotel
building
towards
that
intersection
and
engage
that
corner
I.
E
M
D
Is
there
a
way
to
say,
even
though
that
relaxation
of
building
setbacks
and
step
backs
both
at
Street
Wall
height
and
over
70
75p?
That
it'd
be
used.
D
E
That
the
applicants
requested
variants
for
Street
wall
setback
be
granted
upon
upon
judicious
use
of
building,
articulation
and
and
Street
wall
activation
on
a
per
building
on
a
per
building
basis.
B
B
Have
one
more
sorry
it's
building
on
something
else,
because
that's
so
to
you,
the
property
part
of
your
property
to
contribute
to
the
public
realm
and
production
environment,
for
example,
like
we
said,
wider
sidewalks,
a
minimum
15
feet
bike,
Lanes
other
public
amenities.
U
R
U
Example,
along
Oak,
we
have
a
huge
buffer
zone
that
would
really
allow
most
of
the
you're
already
at
24
foot.
So
if
those
Footprints
currently
have
minimum
least
depth
of
like
35
foot
and
if
we
took
out
another
five
foot
of
those
you're
not
going
to
get
an
office
tenant
to
come
in
and
take
those
buildings.
J
J
We've
been
very,
very
cognizant
of
how
close
this
gets
to
the
church,
but
also
how
we
can
provide
an
impact
and
positivity
for
the
community,
so,
for
instance,
we've
already
done
some
of
that
there's
an
Alleyway
behind
our
Sacred
Garden
that
will
hopefully
create
walkability
from
Charlotte
Street
behind
without
having
to
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
hotel
to
make
that
turn.
So
we're
we're
receptive
to
that,
but
keep
in
mind,
we've
already
done
a
good
bit
of
that
in
this
whole
design
process.
Thank.