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C
Good
morning
I
am
chair
brian
moffatt,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
june
11
2021
meeting
of
the
downtown
commission.
We
thank
you
for
coming
this
morning.
We
are
all
committee,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently.
C
We
are
live
streaming
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
downtown
commission's
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
so
for
everyone
attending
today.
Thank
you
and
welcome.
C
At
this
time
I
will
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
everyone
you've
done
this
before.
Please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you're,
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
please
unmute
your
microphone
and
committee
members.
As
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
commissioner,
dane
barriger
hello,
commissioner
franzi
chairman.
D
C
Going
to
practice
every
day
now,
commissioner
megan
rogers
is
unable
to
attend
vice
chair
ruth
summers
present
and
our
city
council,
representative
liaison
sage
turner,
good.
C
Wonderful
thank
you
and
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll.
Go
through
the
agenda
I'll
state,
each
section
of
the
agenda
item
aloud
and
we
will
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
Our
agenda
is
linked
on
the
downtown
commission
page
if
you'd
like
to
follow
along
there
committee
members,
commission
members,
please
raise
your
hand
to
speak
and
I'll
try
to
call
upon
you.
C
So
at
this
time
we
will
go
through
and
review
and
approve
of
the
minutes
from
our
may
14th
2021
meeting.
Are
there
any
comments
or
a
motion
to.
F
C
Very
good:
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
so
at
this
time
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner,
dane
yes,
franzi
approve.
C
Thank
you
andrew
yes,
steven
lee.
Yes,
I
am
a
yes
as
well
hi
ruth,
yes
and
miss
sage.
A
C
Very
good,
thank
you
our
agenda.
Today
we
will
look
at
our
public
comment
which
we
did
receive
some
public
comment.
I
don't
think
we've
gotten
any
voicemails.
It
was
all
received
by
email.
Best
of
my
knowledge.
We
will
be
looking
at
the
noise
ordinance,
we'll
have
a
presentation
from
ben
woody,
the
development
services
director.
C
C
C
G
F
C
I'm
not
echoing
I'm
sorry,
maybe
it's
me.
I
need
andrew's
microphone,
probably
it's
so
we
are
not
required
to
and
I
think
it
would
be
detrimental
to
read
through
these,
but
we
will
discuss
some
of
the
key
points
as
we
go
through
the
noise
ordinance
presentation.
C
If
that's
agreeable
to
the
commission
members
or
you
think
that
we
should
address
any
specific
issues
before
we
jump
into
the
agenda
items.
A
C
We
we
have.
We
have
that
at
the
at
the
bottom
of
the
agenda,
but
I
think
we
will
move
that
up
and
and
since
it
pertains
specifically
to
the
noise
ordinance
we'll
have
you
do
that
as
we
discuss
that
that
ordinance
and
commissioners,
please
feel
free
to
pull
from
and
read
specific
pieces
of
any
comments
as
you
see
fit
as
we
move
through
the
agenda,
and
so
with
that,
I
think
ben
woody
is
going
to
walk
us
through
the
current
status
of
the
noise
ordinance.
H
Good
morning,
everybody
ben
woody
development
services
director,
thanks
for
having
me
back
to
talk
about
the
noise
ordinance.
We've
done
this
a
few
times
already,
two
or
three.
I
don't
remember
it's.
It's
we've
been
at
this
for
a
while,
but-
and
I
know
I
think
dana
is
going
to
share
a
presentation
in
a
minute
and
I'll
and
if
that
doesn't
work
dana,
I
can
do
it
as
well.
But
what
I'd
like
to
do
today
is
take
a
few
minutes.
I
have
an
abbreviated
presentation.
H
You
have
had
the
long
version
before
so
I'm
not
going
to
do
that
to
you
again,
but
I'd
like
to
give
an
update
on
kind
of
where
we're
at
in
this
process
and
then
I'd
like
to
focus
really
on
the
downtown
area
and
what
this
ordinance
looks
like
in
that
particular
geography
of
the
city.
So
I'm
going
to
have
kind
of
a
downtown
focus.
Today
I
think
in
the
past
I've
been
a
little
broader,
but
as
dana
queues
up
the
presentation,
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
H
And
this
first
slide
is
really
going
to
start
with
a
timeline,
and
you
know
we
had
a
10-month
halt
in
the
in
the
work
because
of
the
covet
pandemic.
This
was
not
something
we
were
actively
working
on,
so
we've
really
been
at
this
for
two
years
almost
and
it
seems
like
a
long
time,
but
again,
there
was
a
break,
and
I've
learned
after
doing
this
for
two
years,
that
it
seems
to
take
most
cities
actually
two
or
three
years
to
do
this.
H
So
I
would
tell
you
that
our
timeline
is
actually
not
that
unusual,
but
we
we
are
at
the
point
where
we
have
a
draft
ordinance.
We
have
a
recommendation
from
the
public
safety
council
committee
that
I
will
discuss
and
we
are
on
a
path
to
a
june
22nd
consideration
by
the
full
council.
Excellent
and
that's
tentative
next
slide,
yeah,
the
top
noise
concerns
or
nothing
that
you
don't
know
already.
These
are.
This
is
one
thing
I
think
everybody
agrees
on
these.
These
are
the
areas
that
we
are
trying
to
address
in
this
ordinance.
H
H
We
want
asheville
to
be
vibrant.
We
want
a
high
quality
of
life.
We
wanted
enforceable
noise
ordinance.
I
think
asheville
is
a
place
where
we
can
actually
explore
community-based
solutions.
First,
we
can
do
things
like
education
and
I
think
we
can
do
this
differently
in
asheville
and
I
think
everybody
probably
agrees
with
that
at
a
high
level.
H
But
when
you
get
into
the
details
of
the
ordinance
and
that's
the
four
bullet
points
on
the
right,
it
becomes
increasingly
difficult
to
get
community-wide
agreement,
as
one
would
expect-
and
these
are
areas
that
ultimately
probably
will
require
some
sort
of
city
council
decision
and
that's
decimal
levels
that
I'll
discuss
in
a
minute.
This
concept
of
sound
exceedance
that
I'll
discuss,
which
is
a
big
issue
in
downtown
right
now,
public
oversight.
H
We
are
recommending
the
establishment
of
a
noise
advisory
board
which
is
different
than
the
current
noise
appeals
board.
So
we
do
recognize
that
there
is
probably
a
need
for
continuing
public
engagement
and
oversight
in
this
and
then
finally,
there's
always
concern
about
how
the
city
kind
of
enforces
things
in
general.
So
next
slide
please
and
I'll
work
through
those,
and
we
can
kind
of.
If,
if
you
want
to
stop
mr
chair,
I'm
happy
to
do
that
at
any
point.
H
So
and
I
think
what
we've
done
is
dsd
staff
and
again
you
know
we
kind
of
came
into
this,
not
knowing
a
whole
lot
about
noise.
To
be
honest,
but
we
we've
learned
a
lot:
we're
not
viewing
this
as
an
ordinance
update,
we're
viewing
this
as
a
program
as
we're
actually
trying
to
prop
up
and
establish
a
city
program
area.
H
That
became
particularly
true
after
june
of
last
year
when
the
city
started
the
reimagining
public
safety
initiative.
So
at
this
point,
noise
administration
is
moving
out
of
apd
they're
still
our
partner,
but
but
eventually
the
goal
is
that
it's
fully
out
of
apd.
So
we
look
at
this
as
a
non-apd
department
is
more
of
a
program
that
we're
trying
to
build,
and
we
think
that
that
that
looks
like
just
to
give
some
the
commission
an
example.
That's
you
know:
how
do
we
educate
people?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
create
a
good
neighbor
policy?
H
And
that
means
things
like
a
commitment
to
every
whatever
that
may
be
18
months,
two
years
to
reevaluating
this
ordinance
to
make
sure
it's
working
like
the
community,
wants
it
to
so
again,
we're
not
looking
at
this
as
just
adopt
an
ordinance
and
be
done
we're
looking.
This
is
building
a
program
area
and
kind
of
reimagining
noise
enforcement.
H
Next
slide,
please
inequity's
been
a
key
piece
for
us
in
this,
and
actually
equity
has
really
informed
some
of
the
decisions
we've
made
with
the
ordinance,
particularly
where
we've
decided
to
use
the
noise
disturbance
standard
versus
where
we've
decided
to
use
objective,
decibel
standards
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute.
But
you
know
equity.
H
What
it
really
looks
like
is,
you
know,
not
leading
with
a
punitive
approach
trying
to
lead
with
a
community
base
to
trying
to
help
people
be
successful,
whether
you're,
the
noise
receiver
or
producer
looking
for
ways
to
work
together
to
build
partnerships
to
address
systemic
noise
issues
using
data
to
determine
that.
I
don't
you
actually.
H
You
know
where
we
need
to
it
to
proactively
address
our
attention
in
terms
of
again
not
being
punitive
but
solving
noise
issues.
So
there
is
a
way
to
do
this
better
next
slide,
please
so
now
we'll
kind
of
get
into
what
I
think
all
the
public
comments
are
really
about,
and
that
is
you
know
what
what
the
standards
end
up
being
in
this
two
distinctions
that
I
think
are
really
important
to
make
it's
it.
What
matters
in
this
ordinance
is
where
the
sound
starts.
H
H
H
So
the
noise
disturbance
standard
is
one
that
is,
has
a
bad
reputation
in
the
city,
a
lot
of
people,
don't
like
it
as
we've
learned
more
about
how
to
enforce
noise
and
how
to
do
that
we
actually
have
grown
to
like
this
standard.
I
think
what
needs
to
happen
is:
is
it
needs
to
be
enforced
more
consistently?
H
I
think
that's
where
some
of
the
challenges
have
been
with
this
standard
again.
This
is
what
would
apply
to
sound
that's.
So
this
is
right.
This
is
apartment
sound.
This
is
could
be
a
kid
roller
skating
in
the
hallway
somebody
jumping
up
and
down
on
the
second
floor
apartment.
This
in
the
downtown
context
could
be,
could
be
buskers
the
drum
circle
things
like
that,
so
this
is
sound
that
happens
in
public
space
and
what's
what's
interesting
about
this
particular
approach?
Is
it's
not
decibel
levels?
H
H
So,
for
example,
there
may
be
a
sound
created
in
public
space.
That
is
fine
in
terms
of
a
decimal
decimal
perspective,
but
it
may
go
on
for
eight
hours
straight.
Well.
If
you
look
at
you
know
the
criteria
number
five,
you
know
this
allows
you
to
factor
in
just
the
duration
of
that
sound.
Are
they
playing
the
same?
Are
they
drumming
the
same
drum
song
for
eight
straight
hours
in
the
same
location
may
not
be
a
decimal
issue,
but
maybe
a
duration
issue.
H
So
again,
when
you
apply
the
noise
disturbance
standard,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
all
five
of
these.
It
can
just
be
one
of
these.
You
can
use
a
decimal
reading.
You
can
take
a
decimal
reading
to
determine
the
volume.
But
again
this
allows
you
to
look
at
the
context
of
the
noise
and
I'll
take
a
second
to
explain
this.
So
take
the
drum
circle,
for
example,
on
the
friday
night
drum
circle,
I
think
everybody
agrees
that's
kind
of
a
asheville
cultural
institution.
H
I
doubt
the
drum
circle
could
ever
comply
with
the
decimal
standard.
If
we
created
a
decimal
standard,
we'd
have
to
probably
think
about
just
exempting
the
drum
circle
or
making
it
high
enough
that
it
could
exist.
So
again,
the
noise
disturbance
standard
is
a
way
to
to
understand
the
context
of
that
drum
circle
that
it
is
just
a
friday.
It's
organized
it's
permitted,
etc.
H
To
talk
about
busking
for
a
second
just
to
give
again
give
the
commission
some
context
when
we're
downtown
taking
busker
sound
measurements.
This
is
just
decibel
based
and
we're
doing
that
within
about
10
or
15
feet
of
the
busker,
and
I'm
not
going
to
name
names,
because
I
don't
want
to
do
that
here
publicly,
but
the
buskers
that
people
like
whether
they're
amplified
or
not
it
doesn't
matter
if
they're
amplified.
H
So
when
I
have
conversations
the
ones
the
buskers
that
are
pointed
to
is
good
examples
they're
still
about
if
they
have
music
about
70
or
75
decibels
at
10
feet
doesn't
matter
if
they're
amplified
the
complaints
that
we
get
when
we
go
take
measurements
at
10
or
15
feet,
they
are
always
amplified
and
they
were
always
over.
80
decibels,
probably
closer
to
85..
H
H
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please-
and
I
just
wanted
to
spend
some
time
on
that-
to
get
some
context
to
the
commission.
So
this
these
are
the
objective
decibel
standards.
So
these
are
the
standards
that
would
apply
to
a
business
on
private
property.
These
are
measured
where
the
sound
is
received.
It's
what
that
means
in
plain
language
is
we're
going
to
go
where
the
complaint
comes
in.
That
could
be
really
far
away
more
likely
the
complaint's
probably
going
to
come
in
across
the
street
or
in
somewhere
in
close
proximity.
H
So
that's
we're
going
to
go
and
that's
we're
going
to
measure
these
decimal
levels.
One
thing
I
want
to
make
a
note
of
is
when
you
measure
decibel
levels,
that's
done
as
an
average,
so
I
could
have
music
in
my,
I
could
be
jack
of
the
wood,
I'll
use
them.
For
example,
I
could
have
a
bluegrass
fan
and
when
the
door
swings
open,
because
somebody
walks
in
or
out
the
noise
is
going
to
peak,
it's
going
to
hit
80
decibels,
maybe,
but
when
the
door
closes,
it's
going
to
drop
back
down
to
60
or
65..
H
That's
why
you
measure
these
as
an
average,
so
you
measure
it
for
a
duration
of
a
minute
and
averages
out.
It
averages
out
the
lows
and
the
highs
and
gives
you
what's
called
a
la
eq.
So
I
think
one
misunderstand
just
because
you
hit
100
decibels
for
one
second
doesn't
mean
you're
violating
the
standard,
it's
the
average.
So
it's
like
the
average
sound
you're
putting
on
somebody
else's
property.
H
H
C
H
Yeah
I'll,
I
will
do
that
and
I
wasn't
going
to
so
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question,
and
so
what
that
means
is-
and
this
is
more
common
in
cities
out
west
and
other
places-
there's
not
a
lot
of
this
in
north
carolina.
H
So
a
pure
tone
or
continuous
sound
can
be
something
like
an
hvac
system
like
like
a
signal
of
some
sort.
It
doesn't
fluctuate.
It's
consistent.
Those
are
generally
considered
to
be
more
of
a
disturbance
to
a
person
so
and
those
are
a
disturbance
at
generally,
a
lower
decibel
level.
So
best
practice
or
recommendations
on
their
city
says
that
take
your
base
decibel
lower
it
by
5
to
10
and
then
use
that
as
a
reading
for
like
an
hvac
system
or
something
like
that,
so
it
basically
lets
you
better
capture.
H
Not
what
I
would
say
is
loud
sound,
but
I
would,
but
I
would
capture
is
very
disturbing
sound
because
again
it
doesn't
change
and
it's
constant.
So
again,
that's
that's
trying
to
lower
the
decimal.
So
you
can,
you
can,
you
know
deal
with
those
type
of
situations
when
you
need
to
the
city.
H
The
last
thing
I'll
say
on
this
slide
is
these
are
the
decimal
recommendations
that
were
put
forth
by
the
public
safety
council
committee.
So
these
are
not
what
you
saw
the
last
time
I
was
here
so
these
are.
These
are
the
recommendations
that
we've
added
subsequent
to
that
council
committee
meeting
we
had,
I
think
it
was
earlier
this
week.
Maybe
it
was
it
was
actually
last
week.
H
I
believe
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
downtown
commission
understands
where
these
decimal
levels
came
from
next
and
the
curfews
too
another
another
key
thing
that
changed.
I
need
to
point
this
out
is
in
addition
to
the
decimal
levels
that
you
can
see.
The
nighttime
curfew
is
11
p.m,
monday
through
thursday,
and
then
it
is
12
a.m,
friday
and
saturday,
and
what
you
see
here,
these
are
toms
and
decibels
that
match
wilmington
north
carolina
actually
so.
C
They
they
been,
they
they
increased
the
the
allowable
decibel
levels
of
the
objective
standard,
but
they
left
the
noise.
The
noise
standard
alone
is
that
correct
that.
C
And
they
also
moved
the
curfew
times
later.
If
I
correctly
correctly
that.
H
And
just
just
because
everybody
likes
to
see
this,
here's
just
some
some
comparisons
from
other
cities
that
are
in
close
proximity
to
asheville.
We
have
like
12
more
of
these,
but
they
wouldn't
all
fit
on
the
slide.
But
just
to
give
some
context,
you
can
see
that
some
jurisdictions
measure
where
the
sounds
produced
some
jurisdictions
measure
where
it's
received.
H
I
think
that
depends
on
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
in
your
city.
Decimal
levels
are
different
everywhere
again
that
depends
on
what
what
what
works
for
for
an
individual
city,
you
see
what
we've
done
in
this
revised
ordinance
is
try
to
match
wilmington,
you
will
notice,
and
I've
made
those
blue
that
I
think
there's.
I
think
when
the
public
safety
made
the
motion,
they
intended
the
nighttime
decimal
level
to
be
70
in
the
cbd.
H
So
I
think
that
the
last
two
numbers
were
trains
transposed.
So
I
don't
want
to
get
too
much
diesel
on
that,
but
I
think
we've
captured
public
safety's
recommendation
in
the
previous
slide.
But
again
you
can
see
just
what
this
looks
like
in
other
cities.
H
Next
slide,
please
so
another
big
issue
I
got
to
spend
a
second
on.
This
is
sound
exceeded,
so
we
have
base
decibel
levels.
There
are
events.
There
are
things
that
exist
that
are
going
to
exceed
those
they,
and
that
is
not
uncommon.
Every
almost
every
city
that
we've
looked
at
has
some
sort
of
exception
clause
or
process
to
allow
accedence.
H
H
H
The
fact
that
they
exist
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
noise
ordinance
they
exist
because
zoning
allows
them
to
exist.
So
I
do
want
to
make
sure
we
understand
that
the
noise
ordinance
is
not
a
tool
to
regulate
the
existence
of
outdoor
performance
centers.
It
is
a
tool
to
ensure
they're,
not
creating
an
unreasonable
nuisance
on
other
properties.
So
that's
just
some
context
for
this
this.
What
this
is,
and
so
what
we've
proposed
in
this
is
to
allow
everybody
to
exceed
the
noise
ordinance
at
least
two
times
a
year.
H
All
you
got
to
do
is
submit
a
permanent
application
to
dsd.
I
assure
you,
mr
chairman,
that
that's
going
to
be
really
easy.
I
promise
super
simple
and
I
think
that's
a
recognition
that
asheville
is
a
place
where
there's
non-profit,
fundraisers
and
people
have
annual
celebrations,
and
we
want
to
embrace
that
and
what
the
permit
requires
essentially
is
a
registration
with
the
city
and
you
provide
notice
to
neighbors
within
500
feet,
so
everybody's
going
to
know
you're
going
to
have
a
big
non-profit
blowout
on
saturday
coming
up.
H
The
second
tier
is
places
that
do
that
more
regularly
that
actually
have
occasional
concerts.
That's
up
to
eight
events,
we're
asking
for
the
permit
and
then
we're
asking
for
what's
called
a
sound
impact
plan,
don't
need
to
hire
an
engineer,
but
you
need
to
show
where's
your
stage.
Where's
your
people,
where
you
pointing
your
speakers.
Are
you
pointing
your
speakers
at
the
neighbor's
house,
or
are
you
pointing
the
speakers
back
at
your
own
property?
H
So
it's
just
you
know
letting
people
have
more
events,
but
a
little
more
due
diligence
by
the
by
the
person
or
the
property
asking
for
the
permit.
The
last
tier
is
up
to
30
events,
and
I
know
that's
a
lot,
but
then
what
we're
proposing
is
to
require
a
sound
impact
plan
done
by
an
acoustical
engineer.
So
this
is
a
you
have
to.
You
have
to
spend
money.
H
H
You
can
see
kind
of
where
we're
at
currently
trying
to
work
through
this
dsd's
office
hours
are
8
30
to
5..
Only
10
of
the
noise
complaints
come
in
during
our
business
hours,
so
90
of
the
issues
we're
having
to
try
to
deal
with
outside
of
our
business
hours.
We
are
doing
that
with
existing
staff.
Right
now
we
have
two
new
positions
funded
in
the
budget,
and
so
as
we
bring
people
on,
we
will
bring
them
on
at
different
hours
and
we'll
get
better
at
after
hours.
H
Two
examples
and
I'll
be
done,
so
this
is
what
it
looks
like
on
resident
to
residents.
We're
always
gonna
ask
people
to
talk
to
their
neighbor
first.
That
works
a
lot
of
the
times
not
always,
and
and
people
aren't
always
comfortable
with
that,
but
but
most
of
the
time
talk
to
your
homeowners
association.
Talk
to
your
property
manager.
There's
a
lot
of
ways
to
deal
with
this
that
don't
need
the
city
involved.
H
If
it
continues,
then,
if
there
is
a
point
time
on,
the
city
can
be
involved
and
that's
when
we
have
to
go
assess
the
noise
you
know.
Is
it
somebody
playing
music
really
loud?
Is
it
a
kid
jumping
on
a
bed
that
context
matters
in
residential
situations?
Is
it
something
that
can
be
dealt
with
without
any
kind
of
punitive
measure?
H
Hopefully,
so,
if,
if
we're
not
able
to
deal
with
the
noise
problem
in
that
sort
of
way,
then
again,
of
course,
all
this
starts
with
education,
you
may
not
even
know
you're
violating
the
noise
ordinance,
but
at
some
point
it
moves
to
a
verbal
warning
and
then
eventually,
if
it
has
to
you,
have
to
address
the
situation
with
enforcement
measures.
But
again
you
know
the
it
doesn't
start
with
the
citation
on
the
spot.
It
starts
with
a
conversation.
H
Next
slide,
please
same
kind
of
approach
when
we
got
the
business
to
resident
noise,
so
I
mean
in
this
case
in
the
downtown
context.
It
could
be,
you
know
a
resident
in
a
condo,
it
doesn't
really
matter,
but
again.
The
first
thing
is,
I
think
most
businesses
in
asheville
are
good
neighbors
and
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
community.
It's
a
conversation
like
you,
don't
know
what
you
don't
know.
H
H
Sometimes
it
really
is
just
as
simple
as
closing
a
window
and
that
that
solves
the
problem,
if
they're
in
compliance,
if
they're
doing
all
the
right
things
and
we're
going
to
call
back
the
person
that
complained
and
said
they're
fine,
like
they
are
doing
what
the
city
of
asheville
has
laid
out
in
terms
of
regulations,
there's
not
a
violation,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
you
know
be
transparent
in
both
directions.
H
H
This
is
my
last
one.
I'm
sorry
that
I
probably
took
too
long
on
this,
but
what
we're
asking
to
do
is
we
want
to
continue
to
move
the
ordinance
forward.
We
want
to
get
some
of
this
in
place
because
dsd
is
actively
enforcing
this.
We
believe
the
ordinance
has
tools
that
we
can
use
to
try
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
exist
in
the
city.
H
H
Collecting
data
bring
that
back
to
the
city
council,
make
any
tweaks
we
need
to,
and
perhaps
by
for
example,
january
2022,
have
this
thing
in
place
and
working
the
way
that
we
think
it
needs
to,
and
in
the
interim
we
continue
to
address
noises
we
can
to
build
the
program
and
we're
hiring
people
to
help
us
and
that's
what
I
have
for
now
and
I
can
answer
any
questions
and
be
happy
to
hear
any
feedback.
The
commission
has
thank
you.
I
Yeah
regarding
all
of
the
public
feedback
that
we've
received,
all
of
which
was
negative,
and
I
was
basically
all
downtown
people
so
being
a
downtown
resident.
I
took
it
upon
myself
to
talk
to
a
lot
of
the
downtown
people
to
see
what
was
really
the
concern
about
the
noise
ordinance,
and
so
I
can
give
you
some
feedback
on
that
and,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
tell
you
what
people
are
not
upset
about.
They're
not
upset
about
the
buskers
they're
not
upset
about
the
drone
circle.
I
They're
not
upset
about
downtown
after
five
they're
not
upset
about
the
concerts
at
pack,
square
they're
upset
about
one
thing
and
it's
rabbit
rabbit,
and
that
is
what
it
all
boils
down
to.
I
If
you
want
to
talk
about
what
the
issue
is
with
all
of
these
different
complaints,
it's
rabbit
rat
and
what
everybody
is
saying
is
very
consistent
that
the
decibel
ratings
are
too
high,
that
the
the
enforcement
is
not
in
place
and
won't
be
in
place
for
months,
potentially
that
we
don't
have
a
good
plan
for
implementing
this
ordinance
that
the
measurements
need
to
be
taken
at
the
boundary
of
the
property
not
blocks
away
where
it's
already
impacting
people.
So
basically
you're.
Looking
at
one
issue
here,
which
is
rabbit,
rabbit,
which
is
a
good
example.
I
If
we're
going
to
have
these
performance
venues
outdoors
they're
going
to
have
to
be
regulated,
and
basically
what
people
are
saying
is
we're
not
ready
to
implement
this
ordinance
and
it
needs
to
be
delayed
until
we
have
more
clearer
standards
in
place
and
that
they're
reasonable,
not
just
for
the
few
venue
owners,
but
also
for
people
who
work
and
live
downtown.
I
So
that's,
basically,
what
people
are
saying
is
just
delay
this
until
we
have
a
better
handle
on
what
it
really
needs
to
be
so
we're
not
trying
to
hamper
musicians,
ability
to
earn
a
living.
You
know
we're
just
saying,
and
you
know
I
looked
at
rabbit
rabbits
webpage
and
those
are
not
local
musicians
that
they're
presenting
those
are
nationwide
bands
that
they're
bringing
in
they're
going
to
have
3
000
to
4
500
people
per
event,
and
it's
just
you
know
it's
actually.
I
A
First,
a
comment
to
mr
woody,
who
continues
to
amaze
me
with
how
he
is
tackling
this
very
complicated
issue.
I
appreciate
I
can't
see
him
on
the
screen
right
now,
but
I
really
appreciate
your
efforts
ben
and
you
continue.
D
A
A
I
have
also
heard
consistently
about
the
what
I
can
attest
to
as
well,
I'm
currently
in
downtown
on
biltmore
avenue.
There
seems
to
be
an
increase
in
these
car
noises.
Jacked
up
exhaust-
I
don't
know
the
terminology
for
it,
but
these
loud
cars
that
are
intentionally
going
through
town
to
make
a
senior
noise.
Also
there
is
another
particular
property
and
it's
adjacency
to
another
bar
that
isn't
rapid.
J
A
That
I
continually
hear
about
it
it's
over
on
the
sly
grog
and
it's
adjacency
to
the
patent
place.
I've
heard
that
one
a
few
times
too,
but
today's
point
I
agree.
This
seems
to
be
an
issue
of
particular
situations,
not
a
blanket
issue
throughout
downtown.
So
I
hope
that
we
proceed
with
that
in
mind
and
to
this
commission.
I
think
this
comes
back
to
some
of
our
design
recommendations
as
well.
I
A
That
have
sound
reduction
or
tree
plantings
like
that
reduce
sound.
I
think,
with
the
incident
the
patent
place
and
this
flag
rock
some
trees
were
cut.
That
really
would
have
interrupted
that
noise
field,
and
you
know,
there's
some
things
that
we
could
probably
do
that
are
proactive.
That
aren't
just
restrictive,
and
I
wanted
to
share
that
sentiment.
But
that's
all.
F
A
D
Yeah,
so
I
I
too
want
to
say
thanks
to
ben,
because
I
know,
and
I
look
back
at
the
timeline
in
the
presentation
or
in
the
website.
It
shows
that
we
met
together
as
the
buskers
and
y'all
met
together
in
may
of
2019,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
from
that
meeting
I
remember
we
we,
the
buskers,
had
a
couple
red
lines
that
we
said
don't
cross
these
please
and
you
didn't,
and
we
said
hey,
you
know.
D
Actually
some
you
know
if
some
reasonable
sound
noise
regulation
actually
would
create
more
space
for
more
buskers,
because
you
can
have
one
very,
very
loud
performer
on
the
street
corner
and
they
can
actually
prevent
a
lot
of
other
performers
from
from
you
know,
being
on
in
nearby
street
corners,
and
that's
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
hearing
us
and
if
you
brought
that
same
level
of
attitude
and
cooperation
to
the
other
meetings
and
other
community
groups
that
you've
met
with,
then
I
think
we,
I
think
that
you
know
you
did
a
great
job
with
that.
D
Other
thing
I'd
like
to
say
about
this
is
that,
with
regards
to
all
the
public
comment,
all
the
public
comment
was
about
the
the
health
effects
of
noise.
Well,
if
you
want
to
talk
about
the
health
effects
of
music,
that's
easy
to
find
and
the
health
of
the
health
effects
of
music
are
that
it.
It
lowers
stress,
it's
actually
good
for
your
heart
health.
So
there's
you
know,
there's
a
there's
a!
I
want
to
say
that
there's
a
lot
of
misconstrued
information
or
properly
construed.
D
Misinformation,
however
you'd
like
to
put
that
in
in
some
of
those
the
public
comments-
and
you
know,
as
I
know,
that
we've
got
design
professionals
here
to
talk
about
design.
I'm.
D
Might
be
the
only
sound
professional
here
so
I'd
appreciate
some
some
some
difference
in
as
far
as
my
level
of
expertise
goes,
and
you
know,
there's
there's
a
there's,
a
a
big
difference
when
it
comes
to
you
know
the
occasional
very
loud
sound
that
that
we
have
to
deal
with,
and
you
know
we're
we're,
probably
only
talking
about
a
half
about
a
about
a
you
know,
a
few
events
a
year
and
we
we
may
be
spending
more
time
in
commission
meetings
than
the
noise
that
is
actually
being
produced.
D
I'm
talking
about
this,
and
so
you
know
I
and
I
think
the
reason
for
that
is
because
we're
approaching
very
carefully
and
that's
good,
because
a
tremendous
tremendous
amount
of
our
downtown
culture
will
could
be
affected.
If
we
get
this
wrong
and
I
don't
think
we
got
it
wrong,
I
think
public
safety
committee's
recommendations
are
great
and
you
know
I'm.
I
I
watched
that
meeting.
I
watched
the
entirety
of
that
meeting.
D
I
had
a
meeting
yesterday
with
asheville
music
professionals
discussing
where
we're
at,
and
you
know
it
feels
that,
if
you
want
to,
if
you
want
to
know
the
truth
and
think
the
musicians
aren't
getting
everything
they
want,
the
venue
owners
aren't
getting
everything
everything
they
want,
that.
That
tells
me
that
we've
probably
got
a
decent
place
that
we've
landed
here
on
this,
and
because
we
it's
the
sense
that
I'm
getting
is
that
there's
there
is
room
for
our
industry
to
continue.
D
You
know,
continue
creating
jobs
and
creating
music,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
ben
and
I'd
like
to
you
know,
thank
the
commission
in
support,
for
you
know
being
being
such
great
neighbors.
You
know
I
live
down
the
street
from
the
great
eagle
and
they're
more
part
of
the
community
than
I
am,
and
so
I'm
I'm
widely
different
to
to
the
to
our
culture
here
as
a
participant
and
an
enjoyer
of
it,
and
I
appreciate
the
same
from
all
y'all.
C
Thank
you.
I
see
ruth
and
stephen
lee
I'll
go
with
ruth
first.
K
K
K
It
backs
right
up
to
a
performance
center,
and
I
really
feel
that
nine
to
30
events
on
an
annual
basis
is
really
too
much
for
downtown
residents
and
I
think
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
condo
projects
allowing
people
to
basically
do
short-term
rentals
and
I
think
we're
going
to
lose
what
we've
worked
so
hard
to
achieve
in
downtown
asheville.
If
we
allow
the
noise
to
be
as
high
as
it
is
projected.
E
Thank
you,
chairman
moffat.
I
think
we're
first
of
all
we're
fortunate
andrew
to
have
you
on
here,
because
you
are
providing
kind
of
a
link
to
an
understanding
of
music
that
I
certainly
don't
have,
and
it's
it's
great
to
be
able
to
get
your
feedback
and
input.
I
have
been
to
rabbit
rabbit
dane.
I
appreciate
you
being
very
up
front
about
what
you're
hearing
and
it's
always
unfortunate
to
you
know
kind
of
single
out
a
single
entity,
but
I've
been
there
for
anybody.
E
We
all
that
have
been
there,
it's
a
fabulous
venue
and
it's
fun
and
it's
awesome.
I've
also.
I
love
the
salvage
station
and
you
know
last
concert.
I
was
at
there
a
week
ago,
10
o'clock
a
great
concert.
It
was
over
and
everybody
was
like
great
evening.
You
know,
and
I
think
that
I
had
a
question
for
ben
ben
from
what
I
just
saw.
It
appears
that
the
proposed
decibel
level
is
higher
than
what
city
staff
had
originally
recommended.
Is
that
correct.
E
Okay,
so
I
would
just
like
for
us
to
strongly
consider
city
staff's
recommendation.
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
the
public-
I
guess
it
was
the
public
safety
committee
that
made
the
suggestions,
I'm
not
sure
why
we're
trying
to
maybe
match
wilmington
at
this
point.
E
But
my
last
point
is
that
you
know
I
remember
20
years
ago,
when
there
were
basically
very
very
few
downtown
residents
and
buildings
like
aston
park
and
the
sawyer
motor
building
and
the
crest
building
had
plywood
over
their
windows
and
pigeons
flying
through
the
buildings
and
folks
that
was
20
years
ago.
E
That
was
that's
when
a
long
time
ago
there
are
people
that
are,
I
think,
good
development
projects
in
the
central
business
district
or
suggested
not
allowing
them
simply
because
they
were
not
going
to
be
long-term,
rent,
rentals
or
permanent
residences
that
were
great.
E
H
If
I
could
just
I
appreciate
you
saying
that
mr
johnson
and
just
one
piece
to
add
from
public
safety,
that's
important
in
that
recommendation.
Public
safety
did
ask
staff
to
reconvene
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods
and
national
music
professionals
to
discuss
these
decibels,
so
we
do
have
a
meeting
on
monday
with
both
those
groups.
So
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
this
commission
knows
that,
while
the
public
safety
raised
the
decibels,
they
did
task
us
with
going
back
to
portions
of
the
community
for
additional
discussion
so
that
that
is
going
to
happen
next
week.
C
Ben
the
previous
recommendations
by
staff
were
72
decibels
daytime
67
night
time,
57
late
night
is
that
is
that
correct.
C
I've
got
guillot
and
then
andrew.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment:
having
lived
in
a
in
a
very
dense
urban
situation
before,
but
it
was
when
we
when,
when
you
move
into
an
urban
area,
there
should
be
the
expectation
that
you
have
greater
noise,
whether
it's
ambient
noise
or
or
the
mechanical
noise
of
trash
picking
up
and
but
we're
talking
about
music
venues
and
sort
of
the
the
the
the.
F
I
don't
want
to
call
it
french,
but
you
know
not
not
the
average
sort
of
noise
generation
that
happens
and-
and
I
think,
because
our
downtown
core
hasn't
really
developed
to
to
where
we
we'd
like
it
to
develop
the
density,
the
the
mix
of
uses
and
so
forth.
There
may
be
an
unexpected
unreasonable
expectation.
That's
going
to
stay
kind
of
quiet,
all
the
time
or
quiet,
not
more
than
were
it
has
been
or
and
when
where
people
can
come
in
and
say,
okay,
I
can.
I
can
accept
the
drug
circle.
F
I
can
accept
the
buskers,
but
we
can't
you
know
rabbit
rabbit
is
new
and
we
haven't
given
really
a
chance,
and
I
think
we,
this
is
a
good
method
of
of
seeing
where
what
we
can,
how
much
we
can
handle
and
whether
we
can
have
the
expansion
of
some
of
these
other
areas
and
music
venues
throughout
the
downtown.
F
But
the
downtown
is
is
core
is,
is
is
changing,
and
I
think
that,
if,
if,
if
we're
going
to,
if
this
part
of
this
is
to
revisit
the
noise
ordinance
on
a
regular
basis,
I
think
this
is
a
a
good
approach,
because
downtown
is
changing
and
the
expectations
of
noise
have
to
change
along
with
it.
C
Before
I
kick
it
over
to
andrew,
I
would
like
to
point
out
from
mr
woody's
presentation
that
the
current
recommendation
is
that
the
ordinance
that
they
start
looking
at
this,
they
look
at
it
for
over
the
next
six
months
before
they
finalize
the
the
levels
and
then
we
have.
We
have
various
means
of
tweaking
this
as
we
go
forward.
So
none
of
this
is
it's
not
currently
even
an
ordinance,
much
less
set
in
stone.
So
I
just
want
to
point
that
out,
as
we
continue
to
discuss
this.
Thank
you.
C
I
think
it's
andrew
and
then
dane
and
then
franzi
is
what
I've
got
on
my
board.
Yeah.
D
I'd
like
to
share
an
experience,
I
had
a,
I
actually
met
with
a
a
downtown
venue
and
they
actually
because
of
the
uncertainty
around
the
noise
ordinance.
They
have
actually
declined
to
restart
their
music
program
until
this
gets
figured
out.
D
So
even
this
discussion
is
hurting
the
industry,
and
I
so
I
really
want
to
caution
anybody
who
wants
to
say
they're
pro
small
business
if
they
wanted
right
now,
if
they,
if
you,
if
you
wanted
to
to
get,
if
you
get
this
wrong,
even
the
discussion
of
it
is
harmful
and
a
few
db
might
not
be
a
you
know,
might
might
sound
like
a
small.
You
know
small
difference,
but
you
know
it
is.
D
That
is
the
fear.
If
we
get
this
wrong
here,
so
I
think
public
safety
committee
did
a
fine
job
in
trying
to
thread
the
needle
on
this.
The
best
feature
of
the
noise
ordnance
is
that
we're
going
to
review
it
because
we
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
get
this
right,
we
actually
we
really.
We
can't
know
until
we
go
into
it.
So
the
best
feature
of
it
is
that
we
get
review.
So
I
I
don't
want
to
there's
a
lot
of
sausage.
That's
gone
into
this
policy.
D
I
don't
think
we
need
to
remake
it
right
here
and
I
am
very
appreciative
of
the
hard
work
that
has
gone
into
it
and-
and
you
know
we're
just
let's,
let's
all,
let's,
let's
move
forward
together
with
what
public
safety
committee
is
as
hashed
out
and
kicked
up,
the
council.
C
Thank
you
dane
your
hand
is
still
up.
You
still
need
to
speak.
I
Yeah
two
things:
first
of
all
ben
this
meeting
on
monday.
Can
you
send
us
a
link
for
that
meeting
so
that
concerned
people
can
get
their
input
into
that
meeting.
H
Yes,
yes,
you,
if
you
yes
thing,
can
we
connect
after
this
and
get
that
figured
out?
Does
that
sound
okay,
sure.
I
And
also
to
guillo's
point
about
downtown
changing
you
know,
downtown
is
changing.
I've
lived
here
since
2007.
I've
seen
a
lot
of
changes.
Most
of
them
have
been
positive
and
we've
all
learned
to
tolerate
our
neighbors
and
you
know
to
get
along
with
you
know,
a
certain
amount
of
noise.
I
certainly
understand
that
that's
part
of
living
in
a
dense
urban
environment,
but
we
have
a
point
here
where
we
have
to
decide.
I
You
know
asheville
is
changing
and
what
direction
do
we
want
it
to
change
in?
Do
we
want
it
to
be
more
of
a
residential
downtown
or
do
we
want
it
to
be
more
of
an
entertainment
district,
and
I
think
the
direction
we've
been
going
in
for
the
past
few
years
is
for
for
it
to
be
more
residential,
more
denser
living,
and
you
know
if
you
I
have
lived
in
cities,
that
became
entertainment
districts
and
it
basically
drives
the
residents
out.
So
if
that's
what
you
want
to
do,
then
this
is
a
great
ordinance.
I
So
this
isn't
a
case
where
we
can
say:
oh,
let's
give
this
a
try
and
see
how
it
works.
I
mean
we'd
be
better
off
sticking
with
what
we
have
right
now
that
we
have
lived
with
for
the
past.
However
many
years
rather
than
trying
something
that
is
probably
not
going
to
work
and
then
coming
back
in
six
months
and
say:
oh
sorry,
we
screwed
up,
you
know,
that's
not
going
to
be
acceptable
to
people.
To
do
that.
I
C
B
Yeah,
so
ben.
Thank
you
so
much
you
really.
This
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
and
it
was
a
really
good
presentation.
I
feel
like
I
personally
feel
like
we're
in
a
good
place
where
we're
at.
I
do
think
it
needs
to
be
somewhat
on
a
trial
basis,
because
we're
talking
about
the
good
neighbor
policy,
the
spirit
of
goodwill
community
collaboration,
you
know,
do
we
need
to
be
punitive
at
this
point,
and
I
don't
think
we
do.
B
I
think
that
we
can
test
this
out
at
the
level
which
it
is
because
I
think
it
it.
It
feels
like
a
good
compromise
and
it
feels
like
we
still
have
a
lot
of
data
to
collect
a
couple
years.
B
You
know,
especially
with
covid
and
and
what
it's
done
with
you
know
for
or
not
for
the
music
industry
and
venues
they're
still
struggling
greatly,
and
you
know,
especially
at
music
venues,
and
I
think
that,
in
light
of
that,
the
last
thing
that
they
need
is
or
more
punitive
measures
that
are
going
to
affect
their
ability
to
continue
being
in
business,
and
these
are
all
mostly
locally
independently
owned
businesses
and
very
very
valuable
to
the
culture
and
the
fabric
of
our
community.
B
B
And
so
I
think
that
trusting
these
adults
to
collaborate
and
building
on
an
ordinance
that
helps
collaboration
and
and
helps
both
sides
is,
is
going
to
be
in
all
of
our
best
interests,
and
I
do
believe
where
it
stands
right
now
and
the
vision
that
it
has
right
now
is
doing
that,
and-
and
I
respect
that-
that's
what
I
love
about
asheville.
The
only
other
thing
I
will
say
is
that,
when
we're
looking
at
other
cities,
I
find
that
so
extremely
valuable
to
base
it
on.
B
What's
already
worked
in
other
places,
and
I
do
think
looking
at
those
cities
and
if
they're
and
I'm
talking
specifically
around
downtown
if
they,
if
it
has
affected
how
it's
affected
their
residential
residence
downtown.
F
B
Looking
at
that,
as
well
as
not
just
you
know
what
works
economically
but
but
what
has
worked
for
a
thriving
downtown
residential
community
as
well
as
a
thriving
downtown
business
community,
is,
is
great
to
look
at
and
I'm
sure
you
have,
but
that
would
be
some
good
data
to
to
reflect
in
presentations.
Thank
you.
So
much.
C
We've
been
on
this
one
topic
for
about
40
minutes
or
so
so
I'm
going
to
start
moving
us
towards
our
next
topic.
I
want
to
point
out
a
couple
things.
One
again,
I
want
to
echo
all
the
hard
work
ben
and
everyone
at
dsd
and
apd
and
all
of
the
community
groups
have
been
pouring
into
this.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
mr
woody
has
already
stated
that
they're
having
additional
meetings
this
coming
monday,
and
so
the
the
current
recommendations
are
not
probably
finalized.
C
Yet
there's
still
a
lot
of
chances
for
stakeholders
to
continue
to
have
input,
and
I
would
encourage
anyone
who
is
on
this
call
now
or
or
would
be
listening
to
it
later
to
please
attend
those
meetings
and
have
your
voice
heard.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
voices
that
have
been
heard
so
far,
since
we
don't
have
a
formal
recommendation
and
it's
not
finalized,
I
don't
think
it
would.
C
It
would
be
prudent
to
make
a
vote
at
this
point
in
time
we
have
all,
given
our
input
had
a
chance
to
given
our
give
our
input.
We
will
continue
to
do
so,
and
I
appreciate
that
and
unless
anyone
has
any
objections,
I'd
like
to
move
us
towards
the
next
one,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
I
think
sage
wanted
to
speak
very
quickly
from
a
public
comment
from
peter
landis
before
we
do.
That
is
that
correct
sage.
A
Yes,
thank
you
so,
at
our
last
meeting
and
at
every
downtown
commission
meeting
in
recent
years,
a
downtown
resident
by
the
name
of
peter
landis
was
tuning
in
attending
speaking.
He
was
such
an
incredible
advocate
for
downtown.
Like
few
others.
I've
ever
met.
He
always
showed
up.
He
always
gave
his
input.
He
always
collected
input
and
advice
from
other
downtown
residents
and
brought
it
to
us
recently.
When
we
did,
we
were
going
through
new
appointments
for
the
downtown
commission,
peter
reached
out
and
was
considering
applying,
and
I
encouraged
him
to
do
so.
A
He
thought
that
he
would
get
to
read
it
loud,
but
it
was
an
email,
so
I
requested
this
time
just
to
read
his
comment.
This
was
a
very
important
thing
to
him.
So
if
you
could
just
bear
with
me
for
a
minute,
this
is
peter's
letter
hi,
I'm
peter
landis.
I
live
downtown
and
I'm
calling
about
an
issue
that
should
be
on
your
agenda,
but
certainly
doesn't
appear
to
be
today.
I
know
the
city's
development
services
director
has
briefed
you
in
the
past
about
the
proposed
new
noise
ordinance.
A
A
As
I
know,
this
commission
does
too,
but
unless
it
is
modified
significantly,
this
ordinance
would
allow
noise
levels
so
high
at
times
as
to
discourage
residential
development
of
any
kind.
It
would
allow
residential
buildings
to
be
bombarded
for
hours
with
the
level
of
sound
that
the
cdc
calls
dangerous
and
that
osha
considers
so
harmful
that
it
requires
ear
protection
for
workers
who
are
exposed
to
it
for
long
periods
of
time.
I
understand
some
modifications
may
be
coming,
but
these
will
still
have
to
be
carefully
scrutinized,
as
proposed.
A
A
These
are
the
two
who
claim
there
are
those
who
claim
an
attempt
to
tighten
these
rules
amounts
to
an
assault
on
the
music
industry.
Here.
This
is
not
true.
I
want
asheville
to
remain
a
center
for
great
live
music
that
can
attract
both
tourists
and
residents,
but
I
also
want
downtown
to
remain
a
great
place
for
residents
to
call
home.
A
I
understand
the
proposal
will
go
before
the
city's
public
safety
committee.
This
body
will
not
meet
again
before
that
happens,
and
I'm
glad
that
we
are
meeting
here
today,
but
you
will
meet
before
it's
due
to
reach
city
council,
and
I
hope
that
this
commission
will
put
the
proposed
ordinance
on
its
student
agenda
in
time
to
offer
counsel
your
guidance
on
the
matter.
Thank
you,
and
that
is
the
end
of
this
comment,
and
I
really
appreciate
you
all
letting
me
share
that.
C
Thank
you
all
right.
Unless
anyone
objects,
I
think
dane's
hand
is
still
up
dane
and
andrew.
Are
you
guys,
okay
to
move
on
yeah,
I'm?
Okay,
okay,
perfect!
Thank
you
ben!
Thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
your
patience
and
your
time
and
your
hard
work.
As
always.
C
All
right,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
development
impact
discussion
for
the
four
points,
project
and
senior
planner.
Shannon
tuck
will
be
leading
us
through
that
shannon
you're
up.
L
Good
morning,
commissioners,
we,
the
the
commission,
reviewed
some
information
that
had
been
supplied
by
the
applicant
for
the
what
we
call
the
four
points
project
or
it's
it's
the
property
located
at
22
woodfin
street
on
the
north
end
of
our
downtown.
It's
the
existing
4.4
points,
sheraton
site
that's
across
or
to
the
west
of
the
ymca
for
context.
L
We
did
not
have
some
of
the
photo
montages
things
that
we
often
have
with
formal
design
review,
and
that
was
because
we
have
an
irregular
meeting
schedule
and
submittal
schedule,
because
the
new
design
review
committee
was
just
being
established
and
we
were
trying
to
kind
of
we're
actually
trying
to
get
two
meetings
in
in
the
month
of
june,
and
so
it
just
kind
of
kind
of
messed
up
the
schedule
a
little
bit
so
anyway,
I'm
back
today
with
a
complete
design,
review
submittal.
L
F
L
You
know
we
have
a
light
brick
and
a
light
tan,
brick
and
then
a
red
brick.
We've
got
anodized
aluminum
window
frames,
glazing
at
the
ground
level
and
perforated
medical
metal,
balconies,
there's
also
a
sort
of
bronzed
metal
paneling,
that's
used
for
the
penthouse
units
and
the
rooftop
restaurant
that
is
included
on
the
on
the
uppermost
levels
of
the
structure.
L
So
you
can
also
see
from
this
view
some
of
the
there's
a
road
that's
proposed
that
allows
for
a
small
amount
of
on-street
parking
to
be
located
on
that
north
east
corner
of
the
of
woodfin,
or
I
guess
that's
the
southeast
corner,
excuse
me
and
you
can
see
some
of
the
streetscape
improvements,
the
wider
sidewalks,
the
street
trees,
etc.
L
Turning
the
corner,
you
see
the
elevation
along
central
avenue.
L
This
elevation
is
a
little
bit
more
challenging
that
the
commission
may
recall
that
there
was
the
existing
hotel
is
sort
of
located
here,
where
my
cursor
is
behind
that
blue
car
parked
on
the
street
and
the
the
building
as
it
exists
today
is
sort
of
a
blank
empty
wall,
and
one
of
the
main
concerns
on
this
elevation
is
sort
of
the
expanses
of
blank
or
solid
wall
or
lack
of
fenestration
and
the
applicant
in
their
most.
L
L
The
downtown
code
requires
that,
as
the
elevation
of
a
sidewalk
falls
that
as
this
wall
increases
in
height,
when
you
reach
six
feet,
it
resets
the
the
base
floor
and
then
you're
supposed
to
have
again
fenestration
or
other
windows
and
openings
at
that
ground
level.
So
this
wall
reaches
that
six
foot,
point
kind
of
at
the
close
to
the
intersection
and
then
reaches
a
maximum
of
approximately
12
feet.
L
You
know
on
the
on
this
end
and
this
end
so
so
that
is
listed
as
a
modification
in
the
staff
report
that
we'll
be
moving
forward
to
the
plan.
Zoning
commission-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
we
are
asking
the
applicant
to
consider
other
other
things
that
could
be
done
to
kind
of
help,
add
some
interest
and
soften
the
impact
of
these
expanses
there's
also
this
this
wall,
which
exceeds
the
maximum
blank
wall
width,
although
I
will
say
not
excessively
exceeding
that
we
allow
up
to
20
feet.
L
This
is
maybe
about
25
feet
and
you
can
see
the
applicant
is
proposed
to
try
to
give
a
little
relief
and
interest
to
it.
I
think,
with
the
maybe
a
slightly
different
brick
bricking
pattern
there
moving
on
to
other
elevations,
we'll
turn
the
oops
sorry
wrong
way.
Turning
the
corner.
This
is
now
looking
at
the
project
from
the
interstate
ramp
side.
L
So
this
would
be
the
western
side,
so
you
you
can
see
from
the
ramp
you'd
be
looking
across
the
surface
parking
lot
at
the
building,
so
there's
the
existing
hotel
kind
of
there
in
the
center
and
then
the
building
edition
that
wraps
around
the
hotel
and
then
on
the
interstate
side,
which
is
perhaps
the
the
most
has
the
greatest
visual
impact.
You
know
in
terms
of
height
and
mass
along
this
elevation
you
can
see.
L
This
is
where
you
see
all
of
the
extra
stories
and-
and
you
know
just
overall
height
mass,
so
those
are
the
color
renderings.
Before
I
move
on
to
other
information,
is
there
anything
the
commission
would
like
to
to
discuss?
Or
would
you
like
me
to
look?
You
know,
go
ahead
and
kind
of
walk
through
the
other
renderings
and
we
can
come
back
to
these
as
as
needed.
C
Shannon,
I
really
should
know
this:
can
you
explain
the
process
with
design
review
in
our
commission
and
when
it
comes
to
us
and
when
it
goes
to
them?
Just
so
we're
all
clear?
Oh.
L
Sure
sure
so
all
downtown
design
review
you
know
now
goes
to
for
formal
review,
we'll
go
to
the
new
design
review
committee.
However,
we
do
want
feedback
from
the
downtown
commission
and
for
the
other
design
review
areas
such
as
the
riverfront.
L
We
will
also
be
taking
these
projects
to
the
aarrc
for
their
input,
and
the
commission
is
free
to
comment
on
design
related
matters,
anything
that
is
design
related.
We
will
carry
that
information
to
the
design
review
committee,
so
this
project
is
going
to
the
design
review
committee
next
month
on
the
17th
so
included
in
the
staff
report
and
in
the
presentation
will
be
any
comments
that
were
offered
by
the
downtown
commission
for
the
design
review
committee's
information.
L
Other
comments
that
are
not
design
related
will
be
shared
with
the
city
council
and
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
as
this
project
moves
through
the
process.
Because
of
the
size
of
this
project,
it
is
a
conditional
zoning,
so
it
will
go
to
both
the
plane,
zoning
commission
and
city
council,
so
design
related
comments
will
be
shared
with
the
design
review
committee.
Non-Design
related
comments
will
be
shared
with
planning
zoning
city
council.
F
Yes,
I
I'm
assuming
that
on
that
central
central
avenue
side,
where
you
were
talking
about
the
the
the
wall
has
an
artistic
treatment,
been
discussed.
L
Yeah,
that
is
something
we
that
that
is
a
recommendation
that
is
listed
in
the
guidelines,
and
that
was
something
that
was
identified
in
the
staff
report
to
the
design
review
committee.
So
I
imagine
that
will
be
something
that
can
be
discussed.
The
materials
palette
identify
the
sort
of
the
base
material
as
being
like
a
polished
block,
so
that
that
I
think,
is
what
is
being
proposed
at
this
level,
but,
that's
not
to
say
something
couldn't
be
done
to
sort
of
face
it
or
address
it
that
make
it
a
little
bit
more
visually
interesting.
D
Thank
you
shannon.
Thank
you
for
the
clarity
on
on
the
where
the
comments
go,
but
there's
you
know
if
I,
but,
for
instance,
you
know
if
I
make
a
comment
that
says:
hey
the
design
sucks
and
the
use
is
great,
or
if
I
say
that
the
design
is
great
and
the
use
sucks
you
know.
Where
does
that
comment
go?
It
seems
like
there
could
be
comments
that
contain
critic.
You
know
contain
elements
of
of
both.
Do
they
just
get
forwarded
to
each
to
each
bot
relevant
body?
In
that
case,.
L
That's
that
would
be
correct,
so
if,
if
there
were
positive
comments
or
negative
comments
about
the
design,
that
would
be
shared
with
the
design
review
committee
and
presumably
they
would-
you
know,
comment
on
those
comments,
and
so
so
it
would
be
sort
of,
via
the
design
review
committee
likely
make
its
way
into
the
staff
report.
That
goes
to
the
plain
zone,
commission,
city
council,
so
even
even
the
downtown
commission's
design
related
comments
would
would
likely
show
up
in
that
staff
report
and
then
for
the
non-design
related
comments.
L
C
Andrew
we're
we're
working
through
this,
it's
new
for
all
of
us,
my
intent.
So
there
are
four
of
us
on
this
commission
that
serve
on
the
design
review
and
my
intent
is
to
make
sure
that
any
design
related
issues.
So
there
are
specific
design
and
then
there's
specific
use
or
policy
issues,
and
then
there
are
going
to
be
elements
that
are
a
bit
of
both.
C
C
So
I
think
that
was
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
in
the
in
this
review
process
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
try
to
follow.
But
it's
it's
all
new.
So
when
I
miss
something,
you
guys
need
to
hold
me
to
account
on
it.
I'm
sorry
shannon
we
interrupted
you,
but
that
was
good
stuff.
L
Well,
if,
if
there
isn't
any
other
comments
about
these
particular
renderings,
I
will
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
some
of
the
other
information
that
was
supplied
by
the
applicant
first.
There's
this
scroll
out
a
little
bit
and
I
apologize.
This
is
one
giant
pdfs.
I
have
to
scroll
through
multiple
pages,
but
so
here
is
a
a
northeast
rendered
view.
So
you
can
see
the
existing
hotel
kind
of
located
here
in
the
center
and
then
this
is
the
the
basically
the
building
edition
wrap
that
goes
around
it.
L
I
don't
believe
this
rendering
has
been
updated
since
they've
added
the
additional
hotel
rooms
on
the
end
of
the
existing
building.
So
I
I
think
this
portion
of
the
rendering
is
a
little
bit
out
of
date,
but
you
can
see
the
the
overall
scale
and
just
arrangement
of
the
building.
From
this
perspective,.
L
L
Yep,
absolutely,
and
so
the
applicant
has
also
provided
these
sort
of
perspective
renderings
as
well
for
the
along
the
wood
fin,
so
the
primary
street
face.
So
this
is
the
southwest
corner
where
the
small
grocer
is
proposed,
looking
down
woodfin
street
and
then
from
the
opposite
end
of
that
same
facade.
L
These
are
pre-established
locations,
and
so
the
first
one
or
I'm
sorry,
this
one
is
actually
just
sort
of
a
a
photoshopped
image
of
the
building.
On
that
you
know
on
that
on
that
sort
of
prominent
corner,
that's
the
interstate
ramp
located
here
and
then,
of
course,
this
is
woodfin
street
another
rendering
or
perspective
view
from
central
avenue,
looking
up
the
block
and
again
another
rendering
from
kind
of
an
axonometric
bird's
eye
view
where
you
can
see
it
in
context
with
the
interstate
here.
L
L
L
C
So
I'm
failing
the
chair
test
again,
we
have
about
15
minutes
left
and
a
lot
to
cover.
So
I
would
ask
that
you
help
me
out
with
my
failure
and
keep
your
comments
brief
and
pointed
as
much
as
you
can
any
any
any
comments
or
regarding
either
the
design
or
the
use
of
of
this
proposed
development
that
we
can
pass
along
to
the
other
relevant
decision-making.
C
C
D
Well,
first
off
I'd
like
to
say
this
building
looks
like
it
belongs
in
downtown.
You
know
it's
this,
isn't
this
isn't
charlotte
street?
This
is
woodfin
street.
This
is,
you
know,
I
think,
a
very
different.
You
know
a
very
you
know
the
street's
been
underutilized.
It's
been
over,
it's
been,
you
know,
over
asphalted
and
under
utilized.
D
I
think
for
many
years
I
think
it's
it's
of
to
have
more
use
out
of
it
is
great
a
little
bit
of
a
bait
and
switch
on
the
expansion
of
the
hotel
use
on
this
building,
which
was
not
in
the
original.
D
The
original
plan
is
as
offered
and
that's
even
in
private
conversations
with
the
applicant
it
was.
There
was
no
sign
that
there
was
going
to
be
an
expanded
hotel
use
until
these
more
recent,
until
these
more
recent
use,
so
I'd
like,
and
the
idea
that
it's
it's
required
or
necessary
is
fallacious,
there's
plenty
of
places
to
build
buildings,
just
like
this,
without
any
hotel
use
whatsoever.
D
So
the
idea
that
we
have
to
lose
housing
units
to
build
hotel
units
is
it's
only
an
asheville
argument.
It's
not
an
anywhere
else
in
the
country
argument,
and
so
I
would
greatly
like
to
see
more
neighbors
here
rather
than
more
lodging
units
in
this
in
this
unit
in
this
in
this
project,
other
than
other.
So
that's
that's
the
disappointing
side
of
it.
I'd
like
to
see,
I
like
this
to
see
the
lane
reduction
on
woodfin
street.
D
I
think
that's
very,
very
positive,
and
I
hope
that
you
know
this
as
a
conditional
zoning
application.
I
hope
that
council
uses
their
deference
to
accomplish
the
goals
of
downtown
that
don't
include
more
hotels.
C
And
andrew
you're
referencing
the
extended
stay
programmatic
function
of
the
of
the
new
building
correct.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Any
other
comments.
C
I
would
note
that
this
applicant
has
been
meeting
with
us
as
far
as
the
design
group
for
six
to
eight
months.
I
can't
remember
exactly
but
they've
been
talking
to
us
for
a
while
on
the
design
ruth,
I
see
your
hand.
Thank
you.
K
Yeah,
I
just
had
a
question
and
I
don't
know
if
shannon
or
someone
who's
on
the
new
design
committee
can
answer
this
for
me.
But
when
I
printed
the
document,
I
wanted
to
actually
look
at
it
closer
of
the
color.
I'm
wondering
the
light
brick.
Is
that
actually
a
beige
or
is
it
a
gray
because
it
came
up
gray
and
if
it's
gray,
I'm
just
wondering
if
it's
the
same
gray,
that's
been
used
on
ashland
avenue
of
the
building
that
mha
works
also
constructed.
L
I
I
don't
know
that
I
can
answer
it
because
it
is
just
described
as
light
brick,
the
when
I
look
at
the
the
colors
to
me
it's
almost
like
somewhere
in
between,
like
a
beige
tan
and
a
gray,
it's
kind
of
a
clay,
a
clay
color.
I
think
I
can
ask
for
more
clarification
from
the
applicant,
but
I'm
not
sure
it's
just
as
you
see
in
the
materials
palette.
It's
just
described
as
light
brick.
C
Ruth
we
can
request
that
during
the
design
meeting
that
they
prior
to
the
design
review
meeting-
and
I
think
that's
the
17-
aren't
they
coming
next
week,
shannon.
C
So
they
should
be
able
to
provide
us
the
specifications
for
for
this
product
they
want
to
use
there.
K
Because
if
it's
gray
and
red
brick,
that
that's
a
lot
of
massing
and
a
lot
of
dark
color
is
you
know,
is
just
my
question,
I
know
we
can't
the
downtown
commission
can't
comment
on
this,
but
I
also
agree
with
andrew
I'd
like
to
see
more
apartments
and
really
fewer
extended
stay
hotel.
C
Very
good
and
thank
you
so
much
for
bailing
me
out
folks.
I
appreciate
that
shannon.
Do
you
need
anything
else
from
us
on
this.
C
Wonderful,
wonderful,
okay,
if
you
folks
can
just
hold
on,
we
will
try
to
move
through
the
updates
and
reports.
Stephen
lee
we've
got
you
down
for
the
design
review
committee.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
that
unless
y'all
request,
otherwise
I'm
just
going
to
review
the
projects
that
come
before
the
committee
that
are
in
the
central
business
district
is
that
kind
of
good
understand.
Okay,
so
we
again
saw
the
120
biltmore
avenue
project,
which
is
diagonally
across
the
street
from
the
orange
peel.
This
is
actually
from
the
same
architectural
team.
We
just
saw
with
the
four
points
project.
It's
a
nine
story,
mixed
use,
building
that
is
residential
hotel
and
we
reviewed
that.
E
So
this
was
the,
I
believe,
the
fourth
review
we
had
for
this,
and
there
was
just
general
discussion,
but
no
major
issues
had
popped
up,
so
I'm
going
to
leave
it
at
that
some
exciting
stuff
going
on
the
river
arts
district.
That
doesn't
really
pertain
to
this
group.
I
think
so.
C
That's
perfect,
I
think
they're
actually
coming
back
to
us
with
that
one
for
the
design
review
on
on
thursday,
as
well.
For
final
for
final
comment
on
that
one,
I
don't
have
anything
less
than
anyone
else
does
seeing
none
I'll
keep
us
moving
along.
Megan
said
that
she
didn't
have
any
pressing
news
on
the
ada
to
share
that
she
would
update
us
next
month
and
so
I'll
go
to
franzi
on
the
local
living
economy.
Working
group.
B
I
don't
have
any
significant
updates
just
want
to
let
you
guys
know
that
I
am
stepping
down
from
the
executive
director
of
asheville
business
alliance
and
I
will
be
handing
off
that
leadership
role
to
a
woman
named
sherry
lucas
who's
been
on
our
steering
committee
for
two
years.
So
that's
really
exciting
news.
I
think
that
she's
gonna
do
a
phenomenal
job
and
so
I'll
keep
you
guys,
updated
on
that
and
and
yeah
we've
got
good
plans
there,
but
no,
no
other
news.
C
Thank
you,
and
now
we
have
an
update
on
the
parking
and
transportation
working
group,
and
I
think
karen
ramsey
is
going
to
address
us
regarding
this.
J
J
The
question
is:
how
long
is
that
going
to
last
the
some
of
the
issues
that
we
see
for
downtown
and
parking
garrett?
Male
who's?
The
head
of
parking
services
told
me
recently
that,
to
best
of
their
knowledge,
there's
always
off
street
parking
available
in
one
of
the
six
downtown
garages,
but
all
of
us
are
regularly
told
by
clients
and
guests
that
they
can't
find
parking.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
talk
to
you
guys
about
sort
of
towards
the
end
is
you
know.
J
Obviously
we
need
to
get
people
to
whatever
parking
we
do
have.
So
we
have
some
strategies
for
that
that
I
can
talk
about
further.
If
anybody
has
any
questions,
our
garage
signing
is
still
really
poor.
We've
been
waiting
for
I've
been
waiting
for
20
years
for
there
to
be
a
sign
on
haywood
to
let
people
know
that
the
civic
center
garage
is
full.
J
J
Although
I
do
I
meant
to
also
say
I
really
do
appreciate
that
parking
services
has
expanded
some
of
the
monthly
parking
opportunities
for
folks.
It
was
really
nice
to
see
some
creativity
from
the
city
and
also
an
acknowledgement
that
not
everybody
works
nine
to
five
monday
through
friday.
J
The
city
does
not
seem
to
have
a
long-term
strategy
for
investment
in
parking
downtown.
I
think
we
all
know
the
civic
center
is
on
its
last
legs,
but
wall
street
and
rankin
are
also
both
almost
40
years
old.
The
city
acquired
the
surface
parking
lot
next
to
transit,
but
now
you
know,
but
that's
the
proposed
site
for
affordable
housing,
and
you
know
we're
seeing
a
lot
still
seeing
development
downtown.
J
I
know
it's
in
the
city's
best
interest
that
we
don't
have
surface
parking
lots,
but
we're
going
to
have
a
that's
going
to
cause
more
problem
and
right
now
I
manage
two
surface
parking:
lots
that
are
actually
held
hostage
because
I
have
workforce
housing.
Tenants
who
have
to
park
somewhere-
and
I
have
to
keep
these
as
surface
lots,
because
there
aren't
any
options
for
my
folks.
J
So
so
one
of
the
the
other
things
to
work
on
is
what
is
our
long-term
plan,
and
I
know
we
have
capacity
now,
but
do
we
have
to
wait
till
it's
a
crisis?
Again
is
my
question.
The
third
thing
is
that
right
now
downtown
is
the
only
place
where
the
city
charges
for
parking.
J
J
Not
only
do
revenues
cover
the
cost
of
the
department,
but
parking
revenues,
pay
one-third
of
the
salary
and
benefits
of
the
director
of
transportation.
One-Third
of
the
salary
and
benefits
of
the
assistant,
director
of
transportation
and
half
of
the
salary
and
benefits
of
our
downtown
development
specialist.
J
And
then,
finally,
you
know
a
lot
of
downtown.
Businesses
were
very
upset
about
the
two
dollar
an
hour
increase
because
they
felt
it
sends
yet
another
message
to
locals
to
stay
out
of
downtown.
J
Because
it's
pay
to
play
here-
and
you
know,
we've
seen
a
number
of
downtown
businesses
that
cater
to
locals
have
moved
out
and
others
have
changed
their
business
model
to
cater
more
to
tourists,
just
because
they
needed
to
survive,
and
it's
not
only
lack
of
parking.
But
I
do
know
a
few
businesses
who've
moved
out
with
parking
or
the
lack
of
parking
being
a
primary
driver.
J
So
is
there
a
need
to
strategize
to
bring
locals
back
downtown,
I'm
so
tired
of
hearing
I
never
go
downtown
anymore
and
franzi
was
instrumental
in
highlighting
small
business
with
the
go
local
love,
local
campaigns,
and
so
do
we
need
to
focus
on
a
love
locals
campaign.
So
you
know
these
are
some
of
the
the
issues
and
you
know
that
we
could
address,
but
there
have
been
some
changes
in
the
way
we
are
supposed
to
work
going
forward
and
we
just
need
some
direction
from
the
downtown
commission.
J
J
Sage
had
to
step
down
when
she
was
elected
to
council,
ruth
summers
and
pat
capps
have
resigned.
You
know
parking,
isn't
very
exciting
or
a
lot
of
fun,
but
it
is
necessary.
It
is
an
economic
development
tool
and
I
think
some
of
us
are
continuing
to
meet
and
work,
but
we
have
to
feel
that
there's
support.
There's
a
need,
there's
a
will
to
push
for
change
and
to
to
get
some
accountability.
So
I'm
here
to
ask
the
downtown
commission
to
let
us
know
what
are
your
priorities?
What
should
people
be
working?
J
Do
we
need
to
have
a
parking
whatever
we
are
at
all,
and
so
that's
that's
where
I
am.
C
Thank
you.
I
want
to
quick
I'm
going
to
address
something
very
quickly,
one
at
least
the
way
I've
understood
it
is
that
we
move
more
towards
working
group
from
subcommittees,
mainly
in
response
to
covid,
to
make
things
more
informal,
and
I
think
at
least
my
intention
was
that
we
would
go
more
toward
a
more
formal
process
as
soon
as
we
were
able
to
do
that.
But
with
that,
I
I
think
I
see
three
hands
up.
I
think
andrew
was
first.
D
Thanks
karen,
that
was
really
informative
and
helpful.
I
I'm
curious,
though,
is
there
any
this,
and
this
information
may
not
exist,
but
is
there
any
information
about
when
you
expand
transit?
For
instance,
if
we
went
from
you
know
every
60-minute
bus
service
to
every
30-minute
bus
service
or
to
every
15-minute
bus
service,
what
type
of
relief
on
parking
does
an
investment
in
transit
make
so
when
and
if
you
don't
know
that,
I
think
it's
a
great
question
that
we
should
be.
H
D
But
I
think
what
you
want
to
look
at
holistically,
not
just
about
where
to
put
cars,
but
how
to
get
people
from
place
to
place.
Then
that's
a
question.
We
should
have
the
answer
to
so.
J
Right-
and
I
think
that's
that's
value.
I
also
think
that
you
know
that
whole
transit
question
is
also
not
about,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
saying.
J
Why
are
we
not
asking
you
know
to
take
this
tiny
dot
in
the
city
and
say
you
are
going
to
contribute
to
transit,
seems
ridiculous
to
me,
and
I
and
there's
we've
been
talking
about
it,
but
they've
never
even
done
a
cost-benefit
analysis
of
you
know
of
how
much
we
could
make
if
we
make
the
investment
and
it
just
because,
as
you
know,
we're
already
subsidizing
transit
heavily
and
and
it's
a
chicken
and
egg
things
so
that
if
we
don't
have
better
transit,
we
don't
get
more
riders
and
if
we
keep
encouraging
sprawl
and
not
in
you
know,
making
sure
we
have
density,
then
we're
never
going
to
get
to
a
point
where
transit
even
makes
sense
so
so
yeah.
J
I
think
that
it
would.
It
would
maybe
be
a
good
idea
for
parking
to
also
work
with
the
transit
folks
and
have
that
be
part
of
a
a
combined
strategy,
because
you
know
you
also
know
that
we've
been
talking.
How
many
years
have
we
been
talking
about
having
a
shuttle
service?
J
J
I
mean
I
am
perfectly
capable
being
a
crank
all
by
myself,
but
I'm
just
saying
it's
probably
going
to
be
more
effective
if
I'm
not
operating
in
my
private
silo
and
that
we
can
take
advantage
of
of
the
knowledge
and
and
have
a
more
comprehensive
strategy
as
a
city.
So
that
was
a
great
a
great
suggestion.
C
F
Karen,
thank
you
a
lot
of
new
information
from
me
as
the
new
guy
on
on
vt.
So
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
simple
as
you're
have
in
your
discussions
during
x
number
of
years.
Has
there
been
any
thought
to
to
giving
that
the
the
local
folks,
you
know,
sort
of
a
a
lesser
parking
option?
Just
for
being
here,
you
know
just
being
the
local
people,
because
yeah
and
I'm
sure
that
that
that's
just
happened.
You
know.
F
So
I
just
because
I
have
not
heard
about
all
these
discussions
and
I
just
wondered
what
what
has
been
talked
about.
In
that
sense.
J
You
know
I
mean
that
there
used
to
be
like,
for
example,
there
used
to
be
a
special
thing.
If
you
went
to
the
library
which
I
thought
was
wonderful-
that
you
could
get
a
stamp
to
to
park
for
free
and
then
a
lot
of
those
things
have
been
removed,
so
you
know,
which
is
why
maybe
as
part
of
a
love
locals
campaign,
you
know
what
can
we
do?
That
makes
sense
to
make
it
easier,
because
I
think
one
of
the
sadnesses
I
have
about
downtown
and
I
grew
up.
J
I
grew
up
here.
I
saw
it
dead.
I've
you
know
been,
it's
been
great
that
it
comes
back
is
that
we
have
become
more,
you
know
tourist
oriented
and,
and
it's
really
not
the
fault
of
hotels,
it's
the
fault
of
of
our
community
for
allowing
a
lot
of
things
to
happen
and
not
making
investments
in
in
keeping
people
here.
A
A
You
will
not
be
able
to
okay,
I
miss
his
voice,
but
karen
you
could
mute.
While
I
do
my
comment,
if
that
helps
okay,
so
a
few
things
y'all,
the
parking
committee
was
something
that
existed
many
many
years
ago
and
in
2017
we
reinstated
it
and
picked
it
up,
and
I
said
I'll
just
share
that,
because
I
am
somewhat
obsessed
for
some
odd
reason
with
parking,
and
I
led
that
committee
until
I
joined
council.
I
have
not
left
the
committee.
I
just
simply
cannot
share
it
and.
A
It
feels
like
there's,
probably
a
disconnect
in
meetings
and
communication,
because
the
pandemic,
and
because
of
this
shift
to
working
groups
and
stuff,
I
highly
recommend
you
continue
this
committee
and
or
working
group
working
group
until
it
can
become
a
committee
again,
which
I
expect
committees
and
boards
and
those
little
entities
to
be
going
back
to
in
person
in
2022
or
rolling
out
a
long
schedule
of
who
returns
to
in
person.
This
committee
is
integral
to
downtown
and
not
just
because
of
parking,
but
because
of
transit
and
so
on.
A
So
you
know
on
any
given
year
about
a
million
dollars
of
parking
revenues,
subsidizes
transit
and
there
is
a
seat-
a
designated
seat.
On
the
committee
for
a
transit
person,
it
was
kim
roney
until
she
joined
council.
So
we
might
just
need
to
fluff
up
who's
on
this
committee
and
do
a
little
recruiting
and
get
back
on
a
regular
schedule
because
right
away,
I'm
hearing
this
and
I'm
thinking,
okay,
listen
to
some
of
the
things
I
would
love
for
this
commission
to
continue
working
on.
The
shuttle
is
a
great
point.
A
The
teammate
process
isolated
the
shuttle
as
something
they
wanted
and,
as
we
come
back
out
of
this
pandemic
and
the
new
executive
director
of
the
cvb
finds
her
presence
and
starts
making
plans,
not
just
recovery,
I
think
it
will
back
on
the
table
and
this
group
will
need
to
have
input.
A
Expanding
the
meters
has
been
something
we've
been
talking
about
to
zones
outside
of
downtown
increasing
the
number
of
smart
meters
throughout
downtown
except
cars
event.
Parking
was
a
big
issue
before
the
pandemic.
When
big
issues
happened
at
events
and
businesses
couldn't
have
customer
parking.
That
was
a
topic
we
were
discussing
the
local
days.
We
actually
in
2018,
went
to
council
with
the
advent
of
the
go
local
week
and
got
three
thousand
dollars
in
parking
passes
and
handed
them
out
to
local
businesses.
These
types
of
things
are
options.
We
talked
about
a
local
day,
a
free.
A
For
local,
please
continue
to
work
on
these
input
on
the
new
cox
avenue,
transit
station
and
the
parking
around
it.
Remote
parking
lots
and
the
shuttle
itself
where
and
how
I
started.
Meeting
karen
and
I
met
with
some
developers
about
you,
know,
peripheral
land.
We
should
continue
doing
that
stuff.
We
did
a
parking
crawl
in
2017
that
found
hundreds
of
potential
spaces
in
various
places.
If
we
squeezed
some,
if
we
had
compact
cars,
if
we
added
meters
on
this
side,
not
that
side,
someone
should
probably
review
that
we
should
review
it
again.
A
Pick
it
up
see
if
there's
opportunities
the
12,
we
had
a
win
with
this
parking
switch.
So
now
we
have
12
hours
of
parking
which,
even
though
the
hourly
rate
went
up
in
subsequent
hours,
we're
now
allowing
12
hours
and
for
60
to
80
a
month.
Someone
that
works
downtown
can
get
a
space
in
the
deck.
That's
never
happened
before
that's
a
win,
and
that's
because
of
input.
Coming
from
this
committee,
we
have
things
that
we
always
want
to
do
like
updating
the
commercials.
I
think
it's
still
harry
who.
D
A
Longer
with
the
city
reading
commercials
on
on
the
news
channels
about
parking
downtown,
let's
get
some
lively
voices
on
there
and
get
you
know,
people
understanding,
there's
new
perks,
there's
new
ways.
First
hour
free
is
back.
I
don't
want
us
to
let
go
of
this
committee
and
I
want
us
to
own
it.
I'm
glad
karen
you're
kind
of
championing
it.
I
will
continue
to
work
with
you
and
I'd.
Consider
I
would
encourage
others
to
join
it,
but
it's
a
very
important
piece
and
having
a
parking
problem
is
a
good
thing
in
a
city.
A
You
do
not
want
the
opposite.
You
do
not
want
empty
parking
lots
and
nobody
downtown.
So
the
constant
management
of
it
is
part
of
the
process,
and
I
just
hope
that
we
continue
to
do
it
and
don't
feel
discouraged
by
it.
I
mean
we
could
write
letters
or
vote
at
a
downtown
commission
meeting
that
we
want
that
sign
at
the
civic
center
parking
deck
by
the
end
of
the
year.
I
mean.
A
J
You
know
I
mean
when,
when
I
got
a
message
back
last
month
saying
that
they
had
never
ever
ever
done
a
study
to
figure
out
the
cost
benefit
of
putting
meters
in
biltmore
village.
I
just
I
mean
why
if
we
talk
about
it
and
nobody,
you
know
it's
it's
just
that
kind
of
thing.
So
I
think
if
the
downtown
commission
believes
that
that
parking
and
access
to
the
city-
and
those
you
know-
and
just
customer
service
you
know
is-
is
important,
then
I
think
that
there
are.
J
You
know
that
those
of
us
who
are
left
will
will
continue
to
work.
I
do
like
you
know
we
do
need
to
get
somebody
from
transit
back
on.
I
think
that's
really
really
critical,
because
I
talk
a
lot
about
parking,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
really
about
access
to
the
things
that
we
have
in
this
community
and
it's
it's
just
not.
It
just
feels
like
that.
J
We
have
all
these
great
things
going
on
and
and
a
lot
of
people
who
have
just
decided
that
they,
they
really
aren't,
welcome
and
that's
that's
not
that's
not
right.
A
If
I
may
make
one
last
comment,
you
know
I'm
very
thankful
and
gracious
for
the
opportunity
to
represent
us
on
the
city
council
and
I
come
with
a
strong
support
and
love
and
appreciation
for
downtown,
and
I
would
like
the
downtown
commission
and
other
entities
like
megan,
who
can't
be
here
today
with
the
asheville
downtown
association
to
elevate
and
raise
their
voices
for
the
sake
of
downtown.
Recently,
I
organized
a
stakeholder
group
of
about
20
people
and
said:
hey
we're
coming
out
of
a
pandemic.
A
There's
recovery
money,
there's
a
wide
variety
of
issues:
small
businesses
closing
workforce
shortage.
All
these
things.
How
can
downtown
advocates
business
owners
residents
rally
around
how
they
would
like
to
exit
this
pandemic?
What
does
the
next
10
years
of
downtown
asheville?
Look
like
so
you
know
the
bonus
is
on
us.
You
know
if
we
as
the
representatives
of
downtown
as
the
business
owners
as
the
locals
as
the
residents.
A
If
we
care
about
our
downtown,
we
have
to
organize
our
voices
and
send
things
up
the
chain
and
you've
got
me
who
would
well
willingly
and
happily
do
so.
So
I
just
encourage
us
to
remain
strong
advocates
for
the
downtown
that
we
want
not
just
the
one
we
want
to
protect,
but
where
we're
going,
how
and
I
think
parking
and
all
of
these
things
play
into
it.
So
you
know
you're
the
downtown
commission.
D
I've
heard
too
much
about
just
car
storage
and
car
storage
and
car
storage,
which
is
what
parking
is,
and
you
know
you
need
one
at
home.
You
need
one
where
you
work
and
you
need
one
where
you
go
to
school
and
that's
three
spots
right
there.
You
know
for
one
car
and
it's
kind
of
nuts,
how
we've
prioritized
parking
as
a
society,
and
I
think
in
nashville
we
can
do
better.
So
I'm
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
moving
people
around
and
I'm
just
storing
cars
kind
of
it's
not
fun.
C
Any
other
comments
regarding
this.
So
clearly
we
need
to
get
the
subcommittee
slash
current
working
group
up
to
snuff,
so
I'll,
be
working
with
dana
and
contacting
some
of
you
folks
who've
expressed
interest
in
the
in
the
subgroup
going
forward
this
month
and
see
if
we
can
see
if
we
can
address
some
of
these
issues
and
and
as
we
as
we
come
out
of
covet
and
as
we
get
our
our
subcommittees,
we're
on
a
better
meeting
schedule
and
thank
you
karen
for
for
bringing
these
issues
to
us.
J
No,
I
just
appreciate
I
mean
it
has
just
just
talking
to
the
some
of
the
folks
who've
been
involved
that
it
just
feels
like
we're
just
spinning
our
wheels
over
here
and
you
know,
and
if
it
doesn't
matter
everybody's
busy,
you
know
we
could
do
other
things,
so
you
know
I
do
feel
a
little
bit.
You
know
I'm
finding
a
little
more
energy
to
put
back
into
this,
particularly
if
we
can
have
an
expanded
vision
for
what
it
means
and
have
and
work
more
comprehensively.
J
I
think
to
to
make
things
you
know
you
just
make
things
easier,
so
that
sounds
great
and
I'll
contact
the
folks
on
the
field,
the
remaining
and
we'll
go
from
there.
Thank
you
very.
C
Good,
thank
you
and
finally,
our
downtown
update
report.
You
should
have
the
link
in
the
agenda.
Dana
is
there
anything
specifically
we
want
to
touch
on.
I
would
like
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things
even
before
dana
gets
started,
and
that
is
the
reparations
truth-telling
speaker
series.
C
If
you,
you
should
have
gotten
an
email
on
that
and
I
think
the
final
installment
is
next
week
on
the
17th
and
you
can
attend
that.
I
think
you
can
attend
that
one
either
live
or
view
the
session.
So
anyway,
they
know.
G
Thanks
for
highlighting
that
and
I'll
be
real,
quick
city
council
held
the
public
hearing
for
the
budget
at
their
meeting
this
week
earlier
this
week
and
they
are
scheduled
to
adopt
the
budget
on
june
22nd
advanced
monument
removal
is
currently
on
hold,
and
I
we
don't
know
how
long
it's
going
to
be
so
I'll.
G
Just
let
you
all
update
you
all
that
we're
working
to
remove
materials
out
of
the
area
and
open
up
as
much
space
as
possible,
remove
as
much
construction,
fencing
and
activity
as
possible,
as
we
figure
out
what
and
when
we
can
take
next
steps
of
removal
or,
if
and
when
we
can
take
next
steps
of
removal
parking
rate
changes.
G
Will
the
monthly
parking
rate
changes
will
go
into
effect
july.
1St
rate
changes
for
the
garages
hourly
rates
for
the
garages
will
go
into
effect
once
the
new
equipment
is
installed,
which
is
expected
to
be
mid
around
mid-july,
and
I
think
those
are
the
main
points.
There's
some
other
items
available
in
your
report.
If
you
want
to
check
that
out
and
get
more
information,
but
just
wanted
to
highlight
those
key
things
and
dates
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
G
We
didn't
have
anyone
on
the
line
and
we
didn't
at
the
time
of
public
comment,
which
is
when
we
would
take
those
calls
and
in
the
future,
when
we'll
take
those
calls,
so
we'll
make
sure
to
look
for
that
next
time
and
and
announce
for
for
anyone
listening
that.
That
will
be
the
time
to
make
the
public
comment.
We
had
the
written
comments
which
you
all
received
and
which
also
are
available
on
the
downtown
commission's
public
input
on
the
meeting
page.
So
people
can
click
on
that
pdf
that
you
all
received.
C
And
and
just
to
update
the
the
based
on
our
best
knowledge,
the
council
and
the
quasi-judicial
committees
will
begin
meeting
in
person
next
month.
I
suspect
they
won't.
We
won't
begin
meeting
until
probably
august
would
be
the
soonest.
Was
that
close
to
correct
dana.
G
That
sounds
right
to
me
and
we're
still
I'm
still
waiting
to
hear
more
so,
but
I
don't
think
it'll
be
july.
C
Okay,
and
best
of
my
knowledge
is
that
right
now
I
don't
think
they
are
are
planning
to
continue
doing
google
meter,
zoom
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
for,
for
these,
once
we
do
go
live.
I
think
that's
correct,
right,
dana,
it's
just
the
staff
support
of
trying
to
do
a
live
meeting
and
maintain
everybody.
Viewing
and
being
able
to
interact
is
a
little
difficult.
C
Okay,
so
with
that,
are
there
any
future
items
that
we
need
to
take
up,
or
are
we
ready
to
adjourn.
C
Yes,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
hanging
around
a
little
longer
than
normal.
I
will
get
better
at
this
as
we
go.
I
promise
you're.
C
So
with
that,
I
will
now
adjourn
the
meeting
and
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much.