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A
C
Well
good
afternoon,
I
appreciate
everybody
coming
for
this
special
work
session
of
the
downtown
commission.
I'd
like
to
thank
our
commissioners
for
jumping
on
on
a
random
friday
afternoon.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I
will
at
this
time,
call
us
to
order
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
roll
call.
C
If
you
are
present,
I
just
turn
on
your
microphone
and
say
present.
Commissioner,
dane
barrager.
A
I
apologize.
Can
I
interrupt
you
for
a
moment
it
doesn't
look
like
our
public
input
stream
is,
is
working
just
yet.
So
if
I
could
just
get
you
to
pause
and
I'll
see,
if
I
can
figure
out
what's
going.
A
E
E
F
A
Hey
ben
at
tech
and
planning
good.
We
are
running
a
downtown
commission
meeting
it
just
we
just
launched
it
here
a
few
minutes
ago
and
the
live.
A
A
A
F
G
A
H
H
F
F
F
J
F
All
right
team,
you
guys,
are
live
now.
Shannon
I'm
gonna
have
to
touch.
F
Sorry
I
was
getting
some
background.
Shannon
I'm
gonna
have
to
touch
base
with
dan
to
change
the
name,
because
it's
saying
mountain
community
capital
fund,
but
you're
live
and
we'll
get
that
change
in
like
five
minutes.
A
Okay,
yeah
ben
just
told
me
the
same
thing
so
we
might
just
want
to
communicate
to.
I
don't
know
how
we
communicate
to
anybody
who's.
Looking
for
downtown
commission,
though,
but.
F
On
public
public
input
is
on
it's
on
the
right
page,
but
on
youtube.
It's
live
under
the
wrong
name,
so
I'm
gonna
get
that
changed.
F
E
C
Commission
are,
this
is
just
I'm
sorry,
I'm
still
here
in
double.
C
Thank
you
for
everyone
attending
this
afternoon
and
bearing
with
us,
through
our
technical
difficulties,
appreciate
that
also
like
to
thank
all
of
our
commission
members
for
attending
this
special
work
session.
This
is
a
work
session
of
the
downtown
commission.
C
At
this
time.
I
will
call
everyone
to
order.
I
just
turn
on
your
mic
and
say
present
when
I
call
your
name,
commissioner,
dane
barriger.
C
Commissioner,
franzi
sharon
will
join
us
later.
Commissioner,
andrew
fletcher
is
not
able
to
attend,
commissioner
kimberly
hunter.
I
C
Maybe
she'll
come
back,
commissioner
gio
rodriguez.
C
Summers,
I
see
you
saying
hello,
but
I
didn't
hear
anything
she
I'll
I'll
note
that
she
is
present
there
we
go
and
our
our
council
representative
sage,
turner.
E
C
Happy
friday,
everybody
happy
rainy
friday
afternoon.
Thank
you
again
for
coming
to
the
special
work
session.
We
called
this
special
session
in
order
to
develop
our
basically
our
recommendations
and
priorities
that
we
will
be
submitting
to
council
in
our
final
report.
E
C
Into
it,
first
of
all,
thank
you
folks
for
submitting
your
feedback
on
the
potential
recommendations.
I
collected
those
from
a
variety
of
documents
that
had
been
submitted
to
the
to
the
commission.
Thank
you,
dana,
and
I
asked
each
commissioner
to
go
through
and
take
a
look
at
those
recommendations
and
then
assigned
everybody
about
25
points,
a
piece
and
then
you
could
put.
However,
many
points
in
each
recommendation
as
you
as
you
thought,
they
were
most
important.
C
So
and
I
apologize
for
if
there
was
confusion,
these
were
submitted
by
different
folks
at
different
times
or
collected
from
different
documents,
but
I
I
chose
not
to
really
combine
or
do
a
lot
of
editing
in
case
there
were
specific
wording
someone
wanted
to
capture,
but
I
think
it's
done
a
reasonably
good
job
of
capturing
some
of
the
things
that
we
find
most
important,
so
the
categories
I
did
do
that
just
to
help
me
figure
out
what
was
what
a
little
bit.
C
So
I
I
had
three
main
categories
for
for
a
category.
I
just
called
justice
pandemic
items
and
then
business
as
usual.
C
One
thing
I'd
like
to
note
and
guide
us
as
we
work
through
this
together
this
afternoon,
is
that
my
goal
in
this
was
to
use
a
little
bit
of
deductive
analysis
and
more
or
less
eliminate
things
that
we
didn't
think
were
as
important
to
submit
to
council
this
year
and
then
narrow
in
on
the
on
the
ones
that
we
thought
were
most
important
so
that
we
can
then
work
on
on
the
basically
how
we
state
those
correctly
I'd.
C
Also,
as
we
go
through
the
discussion,
those
of
you
who
are
familiar
with
council
and
what
has
already
been
submitted
and
looked
at
for
from
other
commissions
could
maybe
help
us.
I
would
like
to
make
recommendations
to
council
that
might
actually
be
acted
upon,
and
I
don't
necessarily
think
we
need
to
make
recommendations
that
we
already
know
they're
going
to
act
upon.
C
So,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
make
sure
give
you
folks
a
chance
to
respond
if
you
had
any
questions
or
wanted
to
offer
any
additional
recommendations
at
this
time.
For
our.
I
It's
not
it's,
not
a
no.
I
want
to
recommend
that,
because
it's
something
that
we
look
at
regularly.
I
This
is,
commissioner
hunter
that
we
may
want
to
consider
how
downtown
policing
looks
in
a
balance
of
safety
versus
over
policing,
because
it's
needed
for
sure
in
some
aspects,
but
then
in
other
areas
like
with
the
homeless
population
or
under
house
population
or
black
lives,
it
becomes
another
matter,
and
I
think
it
is
a
downtown
issue
that
will
somehow
need
to
make
its
way
into
our
observations
and
whatever
priorities
are
set.
C
Commissioner
hunter
would
would
would
you
could
we
could
we
put
an
emphasis
on
that
for
both
our
current
pandemic
and
the
the
environment
that
we're
currently
in
for
justice
that
that's
a
that's
a
an
added
stress
that
we
would
like
to
give
council
is
that
is
that
a
reasonable
way
of
understanding
your
your
question.
C
I'm
saying
that
something
that
we
should
always
be
looking
at
and
always
recommend
that
council
has
as
a
priority,
but
the
current
our
current
social
and
political
environment
with
the
pandemic
and
with
all
the
different
things
going
on
in
society
makes
that
even
more
of
a
priority.
I
Yeah,
I
I
believe
so
I
I
just
think
it
just
gets
sprinkled
into
whatever
our
priorities
are
as
a
general
overlay,
because
it
is
a
downtown
issue
and
need
and
all
the
things
right.
It's
there's
a
lot
of
factors
to
it,
so
just
representing
it
in
some
way,
I
think,
would
be.
J
I
C
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
add
a
item,
a
balance
between
on
public
safety
and
over
policing,
and
I'm
just
going
to
leave
that
in
justice
for
right
now.
Okay,
well.
Well
with
that,
let's
I'm
going
to
go
through,
and
I
I'd
like
to
note
that
there
are
three
clear
winners
in
our
our
recommendations
that
I
think
will
definitely
need
to
be
included,
and
then
we
need
to
talk
about
how
we
address
those
items.
C
The
first
one
is
in
the
justice
category,
and
that
is
that
we
would
like
to
recommend
to
council
that
they
address
justice
for
families
who
lost
their
land
due
to
urban
renewal
that
one
received.
I
think
that
was
our
highest
priority.
Ranking
27
points.
So
I
don't
exactly
know
how
to
address
that
as
a
as
a
statement
of
a
recommendation.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
go
through
and
flag
the
ones
that
we're
going
to
do,
and
then
we
can
work
on
the
specific
language
for
each
one.
C
Does
that
sound,
reasonable?
Okay,
I
saw
nods
the
and
then
andrew.
C
Oh
sorry?
The
second
item
that
was
over
20
was
in
a
pandemic
item,
and
that
was
encourage
outdoor
dining
and
work
to
provide
permanent
approvals
of
more
parklets
and
or
seating
that
that
was
a
a
high
foot,
total
total
there
and
then
the
last
one
in
the
that
was
at
20
points
would
be.
I
put
it
in
the
grouping
typical
items
that
we
would
always
be
addressing
fund
downtown
master
plan,
updates,
empower
the
commission
for
outreach
and
oversight
in
support
of
that
of
that
priority.
C
So
those
were
the
three
top
vote
top
voters.
There
were
a
few
other
things
that
I
kind
of
wanted
to
go
through
and
maybe
address
as
to
whether
or
not
we
include
those-
and
I
don't
really
want
to
necessarily
limit
us.
I
do
want
to
note
that,
as
your
recommendations
to
council
grows
the
the
the
the
likelihood
of
council
acting
on
those
things
decreases.
C
So
if
you
give
them
a
laundry
list
of
20
things,
they
may
not
do
it,
but
if
we
give
them
three
to
five
things
that
we
are
really
stressing,
I
think
I
think
they
might
have
a
higher
likelihood.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
an
opinion
on
that
and
I
see
sage's
hand
is
raised.
I'm
learning
how
to
do
this.
H
N
K
D
Yeah,
I
agree
this
is
dane.
Berger
we've
talked
about
the
design
guidelines
for
for
years
ever
since
they
I
mean
they're,
obviously
not
complete
and
with
the
new
hotel
ordinance
that
just
passed.
D
I
think
that
becomes
extremely
important,
that
we
have
guidelines
we've
kind
of
been
operating
by
the
seat
of
our
pants
for
years,
but
if
there's
going
to
be
a
board
that
actually
you
know,
reviews
these
projects,
we
have
to
have
guidelines
and
right
now
the
guidelines
are
clearly
not
adequate
to
evaluate
these
plans
they're
going
to
be
coming
through
any
day.
Now
I
mean
it
could
be
starting
like
immediately.
C
I
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
our
planning
director
todd-
I
never
say
his
last
name
right-
will
be
joining
us
at
three
to
discuss,
discuss
this
specifically
the
the
ordinance
that
just
passed
in
the
design
review
board
dana.
You
have
your
hand
up.
G
Just
wanted
to
note
that
when
we've
previously
talked
about
the
downtown
master
plan
updates
that
has
included
updates
to
the
downtown
design
guidelines
and
I'm
happy
to
to
to
include
that
language
or
write
that
out.
However,
you
all
want,
I
do
think
if
you
are
recommending
downtown
master
plan
updates.
There
probably
needs
to
be
at
some
point
in
time
further
consideration
of
that
scope
of
work
like
another.
Look
at
what
that
scope
of
work
is
or
should
be
now.
C
Okay
well.
Well.
To
that
end,
I
would
just
like
to
say
when
we
will
address
that
language,
specifically
as
we
as
we
work
through
these
I'd
like
to
kind
of
zero
in,
obviously,
we
have
the
the
top
three.
I
really
want
to
find
out
if
we
need
to,
if
there's
any
of
these,
that
we
need
to
add
to
these
three
so
starting
back
up
at
the
top
there's
a
14
points
for
the
support.
The
recommendations
of
the
vance
monument
task
force
offer
assistance.
C
I
I
don't
think
we
need
to
ask
council
to
do
that.
I
think
that's
something
council's
going
to
do
anyway,
and
I
think
that
that
council
would
be
working
with
this
commission,
regardless
whether
we
ask
them
to
or
not
does
that
make
sense,
and-
and
do
you
agree.
D
This
is
dane
berger.
I
absolutely
agree.
I
think
that
you
know
when
something
has
gone
up
to
council.
It's
very
unlikely.
It's
going
to
come
back
down
to
us.
I
mean
we
are.
You
know
we
can
only
make
recommendations
and
you
know
it's
already.
Obviously
a
council
issue
I
mean
we
can
assist,
but
we
can
only
assist
if
council
asks
us
to
and
it's
already
a
council
issue.
So
I
don't
really
see
what
we
have
to
do
at
this
point.
C
Okay,
you
know-
and
I
say
that
as
a
person
who
put
points
in
that,
so
I'm
not
saying
we
were
wrong
to
put
points
there.
I
just
I
would
would
note
that
I
don't
think
we
necessarily
need
to
tell
council
to
do
something.
That's
going
to
do
anyway.
The
next
there's.
The
next
item
encourage
equity
and
property
taxes.
C
I
don't
know
if
you
have
been
reading
articles
on
that,
so
one
of
the
fun
things
that
I've
seen
kicked
around
is
as
part
of
a
restitution,
and
maybe
we
can
maybe
we
can
even
include
something
like
this.
Maybe
I
don't
know,
maybe
I'm
conflating
two
things,
but
the
justice
for
families
who
lost
their
land
due
to
urban
renewal.
C
Perhaps
one
way
to
address
that
issue.
Oh
commissioner,
franzi
hi
one
way
to
address
the
justice
for
families
who
lost
their
land
due
to
urban
renewal
could
be
in
the
form
of
a
freeze
or
a
complete
credit
for
property
taxes.
C
For
for
those
families,
I
don't
know
that's
that's
something
that
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
throw
out
there.
So
that's
a
a
high
item.
Do
we
need
to
include
something
like
that
in
this,
in
our
in
our
recommendation
to
council
so
encourage.
H
H
So
we
will
there's
going
to
be
an
appeal
on
our
end,
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
an
inequity
or
anything
or
how
you
would
address
that.
But
I
do
think
there
is
an
impact
that
you
know
y'all,
even
making
a
recommendation
to
council
to
consider
the
impacts
on
businesses
during
a
pandemic.
You
know,
because
I
know
for
the
110-
I
mean
it's-
a
thousand
dollar
increase
a
month,
so
these
are
big
numbers,
but
I'm.
D
H
C
Well,
I
know
that
gentrification
is
greatly
affecting
the
delta
in
property
taxes
for
a
lot
of
families
and
anyway,
commissioner
hunter,
I
think
you
were
about
to
speak.
Maybe.
C
Fair
enough,
okay,
so
I'm
not
I'm
not
seeing
a
a
a
concerted
movement
to
incur.
They
encourage
equity
and
property
taxes,
specifically
as
a
recommendation
for
council.
So
I'm
going
to
move
I'm
going
to
move
on.
C
C
I'm
not
sure
does
anyone
want
to
speak
to
that.
I
Thanks
so
I
I
want
to
speak
to
this
specifically
because,
as
much
as
I
want
to
see
outdoor
dining,
you
know
to
be
expanded
in
more
parklets.
I
It's
really
putting
a
sole
emphasis
on
restaurants,
and
there
are
other
businesses
downtown
trying
to
make
it
just
as
much
as
restaurants,
and
you
know,
their
margins
may
not
be
as
public
as.
I
C
That
is
a
excellent
point.
I
would
recommend
that
we
combine
those
two
that
our
overall
recommendation
to
council
would
be
to
support
policies
to
keep
local,
independent
businesses
active
and
thriving
in
downtown
asheville,
which
would
include
specific
items
such
as
encouraging
outdoor
dining
and
work
to
provide
permanent
approvals
of
park,
parklets
and
or
seating
and
or
other
items
as
as
recommended
to
council.
Commissioner
hunter
does
that
and
and
then
I'll
recognize,
commissioner
rogers.
M
M
C
Is
working
andrew
almost
single-handedly
elevated
busker
selling
merchandise,
compromises
compromises
as
an
item,
so
I
would
like
to
put
that
under
the
supportive
policies
to
keep
local
independent
businesses
active
and
thriving,
as
as
that
as
a
sub
item
to
that.
E
C
Okay,
I
will
keep
going.
C
There
is
a
item
with
16
points
and
folks,
if
I,
if
you
just
see
something,
you
really
want
to
talk
about
as
I'm
moving
through,
please
yell
at
me,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
to
do
that.
The
pit
of
hope
that
is,
like
the
worst,
the
advance
implementation
of
the
conceptual
master
plan
for
the
haywood
haywood
street
page
property.
C
K
Brian,
this
is
stephen
lee.
I
agree
with
you
on
that,
especially
considering
the
costs
that
are
ahead.
I
think
that
council
has
demonstrated-
or
at
least
previous
councils
demonstrated
a
desire
to
have
that
move
forward
and
made
a
financial
commitment
after
quite
a
long
time,
and
I
think
that
it's
it's
something
that's
on
the
plate.
It's
just
a
really
expensive,
endeavor
in
a
tough
year,
tough
next
couple
of
years,
so
I
agree
with
you
100
perfect.
Thank.
C
You-
and
that
looks
like
that,
would
be
so.
What
I'm
currently
seeing
is
that
we
would
make
three
overarching
recommendations
to
council
as
part
of
our
final
report,
that
we
would
and
then
now
we
need
to
talk
about
the
express
language
for
each
item.
Unless
yes,
commissioner
hunter,
I
saw
the
pop-up
that
time
I'm
getting
better.
I
Thanks
you're
doing
great,
I
just
want
to
uplift
that
every
category
had
a
separate
line
item
that
either
expressly
spoke
to
equity,
inclusion
or
gentrification.
I
And
I
would
like
to-
and
you
know
on
my
part
like
to
make
sure
that
whatever
languaging
we're
using
for
each
of
these
areas
of
emphasis
that
those
factors
are
always
put
into
our
language.
Because
again
just
to
isolate
an
idea
or
an
action
that
doesn't
include
the
whole
is
still
pushing
forward
privilege
in
a
way
that
we
want
to
do
away
with.
C
So
since
I'm
at
the
bottom,
can
can
you
so
help
us
with
the
language
for,
for
the?
So
we
said,
fun,
downtown
master
plan
updates,
empower
the
commission
for
outreach
and
oversight,
help
me
with
the
the
proper
language
with
that
then,
and
we
I
think.
We
also
said
that
we
believed
that
that
would
include
updates
for
to
the
design
guidelines.
I
Right
right-
and
I
you
know
design
guidelines,
although
they
do
speak
to
some
needs
of
ada
and
things
of
that
necessity
because
of
the
ada
guidelines-
they're,
not
always
inclusive,
even
though
they
have
those.
I
So
I
would
just
like
us
to
unpack
that
when
we
get
to
it
a
little
bit,
for
you
know
a
little
bit
deeper
so
that
it
has
a
wholly
more
inclusive
texture
to
it.
C
C
We
we
would
recommend
that
council
fund,
downtown
master
plan,
updates
and
empower
the
commission
for
outreach
and
oversight,
including
needed
updates
to
the
design
guidelines
for
both
downtown
and
the
river
riverfront
overlapping
consultants
were
possible
to
save
money
and
empowering
the
commissions
with
local
review
over
said
projects,
while
also
recommending
that
any
updates
to
the
design
guidelines
provide
additional
opportunity
for
inclusion
and
equity
for
all
affected
of
populations
of
the
city
of
asheville.
I
Like
that,
am
I
getting
there
you're
getting
there,
it's
a
little
still
general.
In
addition
to
that,
I
would
layer
in
things
that
are
often
not
considered
as
when
areas
are
improved
or
gentrified
or
forced
migration
is
developed.
Then
those
tax
values
increase
once
the
new
properties
come
in
and
then
oftentimes
those
become
hot
spots
for
stopping
people
of
color
right.
They
get
pulled
over
more
because
they
look
like
they
don't
belong
because
there's
more
dollars
available
for
policing.
I
So
then
all
the
things
to
make
it
beautiful
become,
on
the
back
end,
a
slap
in
the
face
to
the
people
who
once
lived
there
because
now
they're
over
policed.
So
I
really
would
like
a
holistic
approach.
Since
I
am
at
the
table
this
time
then-
and
I
my
dad
was
a
civil
engineer-
you
know
all
the
things
right
and
now
I'm
a
ceo
of
a
building,
a
manufacturing
of
homes,
company.
I
want
the
voice
of
the
people
that
are
brown
to
be
involved
in
these
things.
C
Okay,
I'm
gonna
pause
that
discussion.
This
is
actually
a
probably
a
pretty
good
time
to
recognize
that
our
our
planning
director
has
joined
us
and
I
think
he
has
an
update
regarding
the
the
recent
ordinance,
the
hotel
ordinance
and
how
that's
going
to
affect
the
design
review
board.
So
you.
O
Have
the
floor
great,
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
chairman
moffett,
and
thanks
for
having
me
here
today,
todd
o'clochenny
playing
an
urban
design
director,
and
I
think
we
just
have
a
couple
minutes
today,
just
as
a
quick
update
for
you
all
about
the
city
council's
approval
of
new
hotel
development
regulations
in
the
new
hotel
overlay
map.
Just
this
past
tuesday
evening
on
february
23rd,
and
we
will
be
coming
back
to
the
downtown
commission
with
a
more
in-depth
presentation
on
the
new
design
review
process
at
your
march
12th
meeting.
O
But
I
just
wanted
to
at
least
give
you
all
just
a
quick
update
about
the
new
design
review
process
and
happy
to
take
any
questions
at
the
end
or
again,
just
you
all,
keep
in
mind.
Staff
will
be
coming
back
with
a
more
in-depth
presentation
to
you
all
on
march
12th,
so
on
february
23rd,
as
I
mentioned,
council
adopted
the
new
hotel
regulations
and
that
created
a
new
design
review
process.
O
That
design
review
would
be
performed
by
a
new
joint
design
review
committee
of
essentially
what
what
could
become
a
combination
of
the
design
review,
functions
of
downtown
and
the
riverfront
subcommittee
members.
The
new
committee
would
consist
of
nine
members
and
the
downtown
and
riverfront
commissions.
We
would
draw
four
members
from
each
of
those
commissions.
O
So
in
a
sense
these
would
be
members
that
would
already
be
appointed
by
city
council,
which
is
essentially
one
of
the
the
changes
that
was
made.
You
know
over
the
past
month
to
this
process,
so
that
again,
city
council
would
ensure
that
the
members
of
the
joint
design
review
committee
that
at
least
four
from
downtown
riverfront
commission
would
be
appointed
by
by
city
council,
and
then
the
joint
design
review
committee
would
appoint
or
select
one
additional
at-large
member
for
a
total
of
nine
members.
O
We
have
a
number
of
different
criteria
that
we
used
in
in
kind
of
determining
what
the
makeup
of
the
joint
design
review
committee
would
look
like,
and
that
includes
folks
that
either
are
design
professionals.
It
could
be
a
planner,
an
architect,
engineer
or
other
design
professional,
but
also
folks,
that
have
a
special
interest
in
design
and
that
language
is
very
important,
because
it
would
help
to
ensure
that
we
have
more
diverse
representation
potentially
on
that
committee.
O
The
new
joint
design
review
committee
would
essentially
continue
many
to
review
many
of
the
same
types
of
projects
that
they
were
reviewing
previously,
although
we
did
make
some
changes
to
how
we
define
minor
work
and
major
works
projects,
and
and
again
I
can
go
into
more
detail
about
what
that
looks
like
on
on
march
12th.
O
But
essentially
you
know,
in
addition
to
a
building
of
several
thousand
square
feet
in
larger
projects.
It
would
be
reviewed
by
our
technical
review
committee
first
and
then
that
project
would
come
before
you
all.
So
the
downtown
commission
would
still
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
a
staff
presentation
on
a
project
that
requires
design
review
within
the
central
business
district.
O
O
The
design
review
committee
would
then
make
a
recommendation
on
the
project
based
on
our
adopted
design,
guidelines
and
standards
that
are
codified
in
the
udo
and
in
terms
of
the
types
of
projects
that
the
major
change
would
be,
that
the
design
review
committee
would
now
be
reviewing
projects
in
downtown
in
the
and
in
the
riverfront,
as
well
as
all
hotels
city-wide,
so
that.
O
Areas
outside
of
the
central
business
district
in
the
river
from
areas
in
terms
of
a
time
line,
you
may
have
seen
an
email
sent
by
dana
today
that
we
are
looking
for
applicants
to
submit
a
new
application
form
if
you're
interested
in
serving
on
that
new
committee,
and
we
are
asking
folks
to
submit
that
by
march
19th.
O
We
hope
that
gives
you
somewhat
of
enough
time
to
kind
of
turn
it
around.
If
you
have
interest
in
applying
to
the
joint
design
review
committee,
but
we
do,
we
do
need
to
kind
of
act
on
this
somewhat
quickly,
because
the
ordinance
is
in
effect
you
know,
immediately
and
and
and
in
the
event
that
we
had
to
start
reviewing
any
new
hotel
projects
or
any
any
type
of
project
that
would
require
design
review
for
a
tentative
schedule.
The
next
step
would
be
your
application
would
be
received.
O
D
Process,
yeah
hi
todd.
This
is
dane
berger.
I
have
a
question
for
you.
So
basically,
you
know
the
ordinance
is
effective
immediately,
which
means
we
could
be
getting
applications
like
right
now,
so
we
obviously
don't
have
updated
guidelines.
So
you
know:
will
the
guidelines
be
the
downtown
guidelines
I
mean?
Is
that
what
we're
going
to
go
with
until
we
have
updated
guidelines.
O
In
addition,
as
part
of
the
ordinance,
we
did
adopt
new
guidelines
specifically
for
hotels
and
there's
a
number
of
guidelines
that
would
be
specific
for
for
that
use
and
that
can
be
applied
citywide
in
terms
of
those
those
additional.
C
Guidelines
any
other
questions
for
todd
at
this
time,
so
you're
coming
back
on
the
12th
correct.
O
Yeah
and
we
yes,
that's
correct,
we
you
know
just
would
like
an
opportunity
to
you
know
kind
of
review
the
flow
process
more
and
to
answer
any
additional
questions
you
have
about
how
the
downtown
commission
can
can
continue
to
provide
input
on
on
a
project
and
what
that
might
look
like
and-
and
we
can
go
into
into
the
weeds
a
little
bit
more
on
the
12th.
C
Okay
and
in
the
meantime,
any
of
us
who
are
so
inclined
need
to
click
those
links
and
apply
for
the
board
or
commission
for
the
the
new
review
board.
E
C
Wonderful,
thank
you
todd
so
with
that.
Let's,
let's
continue
to
work
on
crafting
language
more
or
less
kind
of
around
this
this
item,
so
the.
C
Fund
downtown
master
plan
updates
empower
the
commission
for
outreach
and
oversight
in
support
of
that
fund
needed
as
part
of
the
master
plan,
update
fund
needed
updates
to
the
design
guidelines
for
both
downtown
and
the
riverfront.
I
think
I
just
got
a
text
from
sasha.
She
said
that
the
riverfront
guidelines
are
about
20
years
old,
so
they're,
certainly
in
need
of
updating
overlapping
consultants
were
possible
to
save
money
and
empowering
commissions
with
well.
C
We
don't
need
to
say
that,
because
that's
already
been
done,
we
don't
there's
going
to
be
a
commission
with
local
review
over
those
projects.
C
And
then,
commissioner
hunter,
I
never
got
the
language
correct
on
what
else
or
or
how
to
how
else,
to
phrase
that
to
make
sure
that
we
are
correctly
capturing
input
from
all
the
affected
communities.
I
You
know
practices,
so
I'm
asking
for
an
expansion
of
that
more
more
than
anything
to
include
those
who
are
physically
disadvantaged,
those
those
are
socially
disadvantaged,
those
who
are
more
than
socially
disadvantaged
and
and
maybe
even
demonized,
once
economic
activity
begins
to
increase
and
taxes
begin
to
increase
in
an
area
that
was
once
gentrified
there
there's
a
funky
combination
that
happens
when
communities
are
annihilated
for
the
reason
of
development
and
then
that
development
becomes
the
whipping
post
for
that
same
community.
So
that
can
all
happen
in
a
design
perspective.
I
All
disadvantaged,
socially
or
physically,
or
otherwise,
people
wherein
the
system
itself
becomes
punitive
for
them,
and
the
design
becomes
punitive
once
those
buildings
are
erected.
C
E
C
G
G
C
C
Okay,
so
I
I
think
we're
going
to
make
an
overall
recommendation
that
we
we
want
council
to
fund
downtown
master
plan,
updates
and
empower
the
the
commission
for
outreach
and
oversight
in
support
of
that,
and
as
part
of
that
recommendation,
we
want
to
include
needed
updates
to
the
design
guidelines
for
both
the
downtown
and
the
riverfront
overlapping
consultants,
where
possible,
to
save
money
and
that
and
that
the
updated
design
guidelines
include.
E
C
C
I
I
think,
I
think
well
one
one
we're
not
we're
not
making
the
recommendation
in
this.
We're
not
writing
the
rfi
at
this
time,
much
less
looking
at
the
design
guidelines,
we're
recommending
that
council
move
forward
with
something
like
this
and
and
specifically
that
they
start
crafting
the
rfi
in
this
direction,
I
think,
is
what
we're
doing.
I
C
C
Any
other
recommendations
or
edits
for
what
you
can
see
megan.
I
think
I
saw
your
hand
no
okay.
I
feel
like
I'm
running
a
raid
right
now,
trying
to
keep
track
of
eight
things
at
once
and
we're
all
on
discord.
Y'all,
don't
even
know
what
that
means.
I'm
such
a
geek
so.
O
Chairman
moffat-
just
this
might
be
a
nuance
too,
but
I
just
wanted
to
offer
that
there
that
there
might
be
a
great
opportunity
for
the
new
joint
design
review
committee
to
also
have
a
part,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
need
to
add
or
are
interested
in,
adding
that
detail
in
this
or
not.
But
but
just
to
throw
that.
As
a
consideration
for
the
group.
H
I'll
add
to
you,
I
do
think,
there's
some
value
to
that.
You
know
in
talking
with
both
members
of
this
commission
in
the
riverfront
about
the
design
board,
taking
on
design
review.
Each
group
members
had
suggested
that
if
they
were
available
and
able
to
weigh
in
on
how
the
new
guidelines
are
drawn
and
updated,
they
would
feel
better
about
passing
on
that
design
review
to
this
next
body.
H
That
was
the
incompleteness,
so
I
think
layering,
in
connecting
the
design
board
to
the
updates,
is
a
good
thing
and
to
kimmy
what
your
point,
what
you're
trying
to
get
across
I'm
hearing.
H
I
don't
know
how
you
put
that
in
language,
and
I
think
the
simple
message
this
commission
is
trying
to
recommend
is
that
these
things
be
updated
and
knowing
the
trajectory
that
we're
on
as
a
community-
and
you
know
refreshing,
constantly
scrubbing
our
equity
lenses
and
saying,
are
we
looking
at
this
well
and
justly,
I
think,
we'll
just
kind
of
be
embedded
in
everything
we
do,
especially
with
this
council.
So
it's
there,
I'm
not
sure
how
you
word
it,
but
I
will
be
able
to
convey
that.
N
Hey
this
is
robin.
Thank
you.
I
think
that
the
wording
three
down
for
the
udo,
the
last
part
of
that
sentence,
so
our
lane
use
and
design
rules
and
processes,
match
our
goals
and
our
challenges.
That
speaks
to
a
little
bit.
C
I
I'm
good
with
the
language
that
I'm
seeing
on
the
screen
right
now,
if
it's
okay
with
you
folks,
I'd
like
to
kind
of
move
through
each
one
and
then
we'll
vote
on
the
on
the
on
the
package
at
the
end.
Is
there
any
objections
to
that.
K
I
it
just
kind
of
tags
on
just
just
just
so.
Everybody
here
is
aware
of
this
in
terms
of
the
design
professionals
that
are
currently
on
the
design
review
committee,
and
I'm
just
gonna
speak
for
myself
and
perhaps
robin
because
I'm
aware
of
the
work
that
she
does
and
a
lot
of
times
our
firms,
collaborate,
but
a
large
majority
of
our
work
is
in
low-income,
affordable
and
senior
housing
and
section
8
housing,
formerly
section
8
housing.
K
So
in
addition
to
other
types
of
clients,
so
the
the
design
review
committee
now,
I
think,
there's
very,
very
strong
representation
for
concerns
that
are
mounted
by
different
types
of
communities,
especially
those
that
are
in
need,
especially
those
that
have
special
disabilities.
Far
beyond
just
standard
ada,
and
I
think
that's
what
helps
make
the
our
current
design
review
group
effective,
and
these
statements
that
are
we're
talking
about
right
now
should
help
even
further.
Thank
you.
C
So
do
we
need
to
add
any
language
addressing
what
sage
and
todd
were
discussing
about
that?
The
the
update
to
the
design
guidelines
needs
to
include
collaboration
between
the
the
riverfront.
C
G
C
C
It's
the
it's
the
oversight,
yes,
we
want
to
so
we
want
to
fund
downtown
master
plan
updates.
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
empower
the
downtown
commission
for
outreach
and
oversight
in
support
of
that
item.
E
C
Involved
the
yeah
involve
the
commission
in
support
of
that.
That's
all
it
needs.
We
don't
need
outreach
and
oversight,
because
the
the
design
review,
the
new
design
review
board,
which
will
have
members
from
this
commission
and
riverfront,
will
be
yes,
robin.
N
O
O
It
will
consist
of
four
members
from
the
downtown
and
riverfront
from
each
of
those
commissions,
but
but
ultimately,
though,
that
committee
will
have
an
independent
review
of
design-
and
you
know
the
downtown
riverfront
commissions
can
still
you
know,
provide
input
if
they
choose
on
on
projects
that
occur
in
those
areas
and
and
the
design
review
committee
can
take
that
input
and
advice
and
just
see
how
that
might
inform
their
their
review
of
the
project,
but
but
ultimately
they
they
are
an
independent
committee,
but
they're
also
committee
member
design,
review
committee
members
that
are
on
that
will
continue
to
be
on
the
downtown
riverfront
commission,
okay,
so
you'll
have
large
representation.
D
So
this
is
kind
of
a
technicality.
This
is
dane
berger.
This
really
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
downtown
master
plan.
I
mean
this
is
a
whole
separate
committee
reporting
to
city
council
and
it's
going
to
be
design
review.
Only
so
really
does
not
have
anything
to
do
with
the
downtown
master
plan,
which
is
what
our
our
issue
here
is.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
revise
that,
but
you
know
really
does
not
have
anything
to
do
with
the
downtown
master
plan.
D
I
So
maybe
to
your
point,
commissioner
berger:
we
need
to
emphasize
that.
D
Well,
I
mean
if
we,
if
we
want
to
update
that
the
downtown
master
plan,
which
is
also
seriously
out
of
date,
that's
kind
of
a
separate
issue
from
the
design
guidelines.
I
mean
at
this
point
since
it's
being
pulled
out
into
a
separate
committee.
I
mean
I
know
we're
going
to
have
you
know
a
lot
of
bearing
on
that
on
that
committee,
but
still
the
downtown
master
plan
probably
should
be
looked
at.
D
You
know
at
least
every
few
years
you
know
for
updates.
You
know
independent
of
the
designs,
because
I,
as
I
see
this
happening,
you
know
I
mean
all
hotels
are
going
to
go
through
this
design
review
right,
I
mean,
even
you
know,
not
necessarily
in
the
downtown
or
in
the
in
the
red.
I
mean
all
hotels,
so
that's
going
to
evolve
into
a
totally
separate
entity.
D
G
D
Well,
andrew's,
not
here,
but
I
mean
obviously
he
has
some
specific
things
that
could
come
into
the
downtown
master
plan
that
really
do
not
involve
the
design
guidelines
at
all.
You
know,
so
it's
really.
It
really
becomes
two
separate
issues.
G
And
I
can't
believe
I
didn't
like
reference.
It
specifically
there's
a
lot
of
awesome
work.
That's
been
done
on
public
space
management
guidelines
and
that
was
initially
intended
to
be
the
first
section
of
updates
to
the
downtown
master
plan,
and
you
know,
staff,
there's
there's
we
plan
to
circle
back
and
to
see
that
element
through,
and
so
there
were
other
phases
of
updates,
but
there's
great
work
that's
been
done
and
that
can
be
considered
an
update
to
the
downtown
master
plan
as
an
addendum
or
or
a
stand-alone
document.
D
Right,
I
just
I
just
hate
to
see
us
drop
the
downtown
master
plan.
You
know
because
we
have
this
new
committee,
I
mean
the
downtown
master
plan
doesn't
go
away,
you
know
just
because
we
have
this
new
committee,
I
mean
the
downtown
master
plan
was
developed,
you
know
independently
and
the
design
guidelines
came
out
of
that
you
know
as
a
result.
D
C
I
don't
think
we're
dropping
it.
Commissioner
hunter
did
you
still
need
to
have
your
hand
raised.
I
Yeah,
I
I
think
ms
frankel
answered
some
of
my
questions,
but
I
want
to
offer
that.
Could
we
just
keep
fun
downtown
master
plan
update
specific
to
public
space
management
like
because
this
is
time
bound
right
where
this
isn't
we're,
not
updating
this
for
the
next
10
years
or
five
years,
we're
talking
about
this
year,
maybe
even
roll
over
into
next
year.
So
what
are
we
committed
to
doing
and
finishing?
I
What's
still
open,
that
still
is
incomplete?
That
could
be
added
as
an
update
to
the
downtown
master
plan.
So
is
it
the
public
space
management,
parking
and
transportation?
Or
something-
and
I
don't
know-
I
mean-
because
the
public
space
management
also
ties
to
the
other
piece
that
we're
talking
about
in
the
other
section
around
more
more
spaces
for
restaurants,
so
it
all
kind
of
goes
together,
and
if
we
name
it,
I
think,
then
we
have
a
trajectory.
O
And-
and
I
could
I
could
chime
into
just
into
some
of
this-
that
to
dana's
thought
and
with
the
kind
of
splitting
up
the
downtown
master
plan
updates
into
pieces,
what
was
an
approach
that
staff
was
looking
into
just
based
on?
You
know:
lack
of
of
funding
and
resources.
O
So
it's
there
was
an
idea
at
one
point
pre-covered
that
we
would
look
at
public
space
guidelines
which
could
help
to
inform
you
know,
looking
re-evaluating
our
character
areas
in
the
downtown,
which
would
help
with
our
design
guidelines,
which
would
be
another
element
and
then
having
a
streetscape
master
planning
type
effort,
because
that
is
something
that's
currently.
O
You
know
lacking
in
the
current
downtown
master
plan,
but
it
does
seem
like
there's
some
interest
amongst
some
of
you
to
also
just
evaluate
the
downtown
master
plan
in
its
entirety
and
and
because
it
has
hasn't
been
looked
at
in
so
long.
But
but
I
would
what
I
would
just
offer
is
you
know
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
break
it
into
into
pieces
and
look
at
smaller
elements,
just
because
of
of
the
the
funding
ask
might
might
be
a
good
strategy
to
look
at
it.
That
way.
C
I
support
the
most
recent
comments
that
we
would
modify
that
to
say,
fund
downtown
master
plan
updates,
specifically
regarding
public
space
management
and
involve
the
commission
for
outreach
and
oversight
in
support
of
that,
and
as
part
of
that,
we
would
also
like
to
recommend
needed
updates
and
then
keep
the
remaining
verbiage,
as
is,
and
then
I
think,
that's
a
that's
a
reasonable
recommendation
for
this
year
and
then
we
can
hammer
them
again
next
year
agreed
wonderful!
Thank
you.
Everyone!
That's
that's
very
helpful.
C
And
then
and
combine
that
with
andrew's
busker
item
and
specifically
things
like
encouraging
outdoor
dining
and
work
to
provide
permanent
approvals
of
more
parklets
and
or
seating.
C
K
Ryan,
this
is
stephen
lee.
Yes,
sir,
to
me
the
the
statement,
support
of
policies
to
benefit
local
businesses,
downtown
businesses-
it
just
seems
vague
to
me.
I
wish
there
was
something
more
specific
we
could
say
in
there.
If
we
had
something
more
specific
excuse
me
jeremoff
it,
but
it's
just
a
thought
and
and
trying
to
go
with
our
theme
here
of
concise
but
direct,
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
a
suggestion
or
thought
on
that
if
megan
is
here
or
dana
or
another
commissioner,
but
just
a
thought.
Thank
you.
F
H
A
couple
things
that
in
the
past
we've
talked
about
in
the
local
living
economy
group
I
know
franzi's
on
she
may
be
able
to
chime
in,
and
I
don't
know
how
this
would
carry
forward
in
the
language
you're
suggesting
today.
But
you
know
there
are
limitations
on
what
we
can
do
in
this
state.
We
cannot
control
user,
so
we
had
been
looking
at
the
size
of
storefronts.
We
were
using
some
of
the
downtown
census
data
to
assess.
H
You
know
who
was
local
and
what
was
their
kind
of
average
size,
and
if
I
recall
correctly,
most
storefronts
were
under
4
000
square
feet,
so
there
was
some
brainstorming
around
design
guidelines
around
larger
approval
for
larger
retail
spaces.
You
know,
how
do
you
keep
the
three-story
h
m
out
of
the
community
was
what
you
were
kind
of
judging
against,
so
there
were
size
of
space.
Then
there
were
other
other
things
around.
You
know
you
could
be
asking
for
support
to
help
kind
of
revitalize
downtown
after
this
pandemics
recession
thing.
H
H
J
Yeah,
I
I
am
thank
you,
council
member
tim
turner,
yeah.
I
have
tons
of
thoughts
around
that
and
that
we
are
very
limited
and
it's
very
frustrating
to
figure
out
ways
to
protect
our
local
business
economy
and
it
is
so
fragile,
especially
as
we
get
more
and
more
popular.
I
love
that
you
brought
that
up,
commissioner
lee
and-
and
you
know
definitely
speaking
to
my
heart,
one
of
the
the
things
that
we
know
is
that
business
property
owners
really
hold
the
key
and
there's
nothing.
J
You
know
asking
them
or
regulate
regulating
them
to
make
it
easy
or
favor
small
local
businesses
over
larger
chains,
and
so
I
do
think
that
there
there
could
be
a
key
in
working
with
them
and
creating
some
kind
of
incentives.
Maybe
we
can't
do
direct
monetary
or
property
or
tax
incentives,
but
but
maybe
we
can,
but
maybe
we
can
also
just
create
some
kind
of
coalition,
and
you
know,
or
education
around
the
importance
of
local
businesses
to
our
economy
and
to
our
culture
with
property
owners.
J
The
other
thing
is
the
succession
planning
for
businesses,
and
we
know
that
our
local
businesses
are
vulnerable
to
not
having
solid
succession
plans
and
oftentimes
when
the
owner,
when
the
owner
wants
to
shut
it
down,
they
shut
down
with
you
know,
without
giving
you
know,
options
for
local
other
locals
to
buy
it
or
even
selling
it
to
their
employees.
J
So
building
strengthening
out
succession
planning,
maybe
with
a
cdfi
or
some
kind
of
business
planning
program
that
you
know,
ap,
tech
or
otherwise,
to
help
business
owners,
educate
business
owners
on
leaving
a
legacy
and
transition
their
business.
You
know
within
the
community
could
also
help,
but
any
type
of
wording
like
that,
then
that
doesn't
seem.
J
You
know
fake
or
just
fluff
like
we're
actually
looking
into
alternatives
that
that
work
with
what
we
have
to
work
with
at
the
state
of
north
carolina.
So
thank
you.
C
So
trying
to
pull
all
those
things
together
so,
instead
of
just
saying
supportive
policies
to
keep
local
independent
businesses
active
and
thriving,
do
you
want
to
say
we
already
had
a
language
like
maintaining
storefronts
for
small
businesses
and
one
of
these
items?
Do
you
want
to
say
something
along
those
lines?
Support
of
of
specific
policies
such
as
maintaining
storefronts
and
including.
C
Franzi,
you
just
said
all
that,
then
I
lost
all
all
the
words
you
just
said.
I
I
caught
I
caught
some
stuff
about
the
educating
small
business
owners
for
employee
ownership
and
a
couple
other
things
correct.
J
The
other
way
is
succession
planning
within
businesses
and
making
sure
local
businesses
stay
local
and
thriving,
and
whether
that
you
know
means
you
know,
selling
to
employees
or
selling
to
local
local
residents
of
asheville
or
buncombe
county
and
then
also
activating
the
ground
floors.
When
we're
talking
about
development
is
there,
you
know
like
really
strengthening
that
language
around
you
know
activating
ground
floors
and
committing
to
local
economy?
J
You
know
so
that
you
know
we
know
like
like
when
a
hotel
moves
in
or
when
a
a
large
residential
building
moves
in
that
they
do
build.
They
activate
their
their
ground
floors
and
they
do
look
at
providing
space
for
local
local,
owned
businesses.
C
So
we
could
dana
we,
so
we
can
say
something
like
supportive
policies
to
keep
local
independent
businesses
active
and
thriving
in
downtown
asheville,
including
the
following.
You
do
the
ones
that
you
have
but
then
also
include
incentivize
property
owners
to
keep
and.
C
Grow
locally
owned
businesses,
as
well
as
activating
ground
floor,
pedestrian
businesses,
specifically
maintaining
storefronts
for
local
small
businesses.
C
G
Store
or
ensuring,
let's
just
start
with
this,
it's
four
businesses
all
right.
So
if
we
could.
C
C
Q
Yeah,
I
I
keep
thinking
back
to
the
ada
is
luncheon
earlier
this
week
and
the
reports
of
independent
businesses,
which
included
cleanliness
and
people
feeling
safe
downtown.
So
I
would
somehow
like
to
be
able
to
wrap
that
in
a
little
bit,
because
in
order
to
have
a
thriving
business
community,
you
have
to
have
customers
that
feel
comfortable
about
coming
downtown,
and
I
think
we
we
have
some
social
issues
and
infrastructure
issues
and
that
we're
really
not
addressing
to
make
it
thriving
for
businesses.
Q
I
you
know,
I
hear
all
the
time
of
small
independent
businesses
that
are
barely
holding
on,
because
people
are
afraid
to
come
downtown.
So
I
I
think
somehow
I
would
love
to
see
us
somehow
wrap
in
you
know
thriving
support
of
businesses.
It's
also
about
cleanliness.
It's
also
feeling
safe
in
the
community.
D
Yeah,
this
also
kind
of
goes
back
into
the
design
guidelines.
One
thing
we
don't
have
in
our
design
guidelines
right
now
is
anything
about
activation
of
first
floor,
and
this
has
come
up
in
some
of
our
design
reviews.
We
currently
don't
say
anything
about
activating
first
floor.
You
know
when
we
get
these
projects,
but
that
could
be
something
that
could
be
included
in
the
design.
Guidelines
is
activation
of
the
first
floor.
C
Actually,
the
the
current
downtown
design
guidelines
require
a
certain
percentage
to
be
glass
and
to
be
I
mean
it.
Does
I
don't
right?
We.
C
We
always
talk
about
it
like
it's
active
activation
in
the
in
the
review.
Meetings
probably
could
strengthen
that
council
turner.
H
Well,
I
know
with
the
hotel
change
that
we
now
if
a
building
is
more
than
50
feet
wide,
it
will
be
50
activated
and
I'm
not
sure
todd.
If
that
is
so,
it
was
written
into
the
udo,
but
it
wasn't
specific
to
hotels.
Was
it
all
buildings
or
is.
B
Hi,
so
I
will
just
say
that
for
conditional,
zonings
we've
had
this
kind
of
liner
building
with
required
activations
for
several
years.
So
that's
for
large
projects
and
definitely
for
hotels.
I
would
say
you
know
which
have
been
czs
up
until
now.
We
have.
We
do
not
have
any
requirements
for
ground
floor
activation
for
just
anything
I'll
just
for
lower
smaller
projects.
I'll
say.
D
B
And
just
to
be
super
clear
when
we
talk
about
guidelines,
remember
guidelines
are
mandatory
review.
Voluntary
compliance
code
is
code.
So
when
you
say
you
want
something
in
the
guidelines,
I
don't
think
that
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
you
want
something
to
be
required.
Is
what
I'm
hearing
so
just
to
be
super
clear
about
that
guidelines?
Don't
get
you
what
you
want
necessarily
so.
C
That
that
is
a-
and
so
I
just
so
I
I've
run
into
this
a
couple
of
times
on
both
sides
of
the
table.
North
carolina
law
has
a
very
specific
what
we
can
do
as
a
as
a
authority
having
jurisdiction
regarding
design,
you're,
really
very
limited
in
what
you
can
do,
I
mean
you
can
do
general
height
and
area
and
open
space
and
things
like
that.
But
when
it
comes
to
a
design
issue,
north
carolina
law
severely
limits
what
authority
a
jurisdiction
can
require.
C
The
the
the
kind
of
caveat
to
that
is
a
is
a
historic
district
where
we
can
and
incorporate
design
guidelines
and
and
hold
them
to
it.
So
anyway,
okay,
there's
still
several
hands
up,
but
I
think
that
that
does
so.
Everybody
take
a
look
at
the
language
that
dana
has
right
now.
Regarding
this
specific
item.
K
It
is
definitely-
and
I
think
to
me
this
sounds
about
as
as
comprehensive
as
we
could
in
a
in
a
single
statement.
Okay
sounds
good.
C
All
right
are
there
any
additional
edits
that
that
the
group
would
like
to
make
to
this
item
before
we
move
to
the
to
the
last
one.
I
I
just
would
like
to
ask
franzi
and
megan
and
ruth
what
their
thoughts
are
about,
adding
the
word
local
like
to
local
independent
businesses.
The
word
also
small,
because
that
is
a
legal
term
and
it
it
also
diversifies
the
pool.
Q
Businesses,
I
think
that
this
is
ruth
summers.
I
think
the
local
independent
businesses
really
kind
of
captures.
I
think
what
we
need
to
say
not
not
just
small.
L
Although
I
understand
what
you're,
what
you're
saying
miss
hunter
but.
E
H
E
G
If
I
may,
before
we
move
on,
I
know
ruth
you
had
suggested
adding
something
about
cleanliness
or
other
downtown
needs.
Do
you
all
want
to
add
one
more
bullet
to
this,
or
are
you
good.
O
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
councilmember
turner's
question
with
the
new
hotel
development
ordinance
and
I
just
wanted
to
look
it
up
to
to
make
sure
I
I
had
this
section,
but
it's
in
the
hotel
overlay
district.
O
There
is
a
a
requirement
for
hotels,
specifically
that
50
of
the
ground
floor
has
to
be
activated
with
some
kind
of
occupiable
storefront
and
there's
some
other
criteria
about
like
the
width
of
the
facade
and
what
would
trigger
that.
But
essentially
we
are.
We
were
trying
to
activate
that
use
and
that
could
be
certainly
something
that
could
be
expanded
to
other
uses,
not
just
hotels.
You
know
downtown.
C
Thank
you.
Oh
wow.
There's
a
lot
of
hands
up.
I'm
sorry!
I
was
reading.
Okay,
I
don't
know
who
did
first
robin.
N
This
is
just
a
nitpick
about
the
word:
cleanliness.
Would
sanitation
or
something
be
better?
Cleanliness
sounds
like
it's
a
referendum
on
the
person
that
works
there
to
me.
I
don't
know
and
we're
talking
about
covet
sanitation.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
it's
it's,
and
maybe
it's
just
me,
but.
C
Sanitation,
I
think
it's
yeah
anyone
else,
wow,
okay,
so
ruth
still
has
hers
up
and
dane
still
has
his
up
d.
Okay,
perfect
megan,.
M
M
Oh
no
everyone's
frozen,
I
can
hear.
I
just
can't
see
you,
which
is
weird,
but
I
was
going
to
say
on
that
last
point.
Maybe
it's
ensuring
appropriate
a
lot
of
levels
of
city
services
for
management
of
downtown
or
something
along
that
line.
C
Thank
you
perfect
all
right
if
there
are
no
objections,
we'll
move
to
the
our
our
our
final
item,
I
hope
okay,
so
we're
going
to
recommend
that
council.
D
C
So
when
I,
when
I
came
on
one
of
the
things
I
asked,
is
you
know
what
is
our?
What
is
our
charter?
What
is
our
remit?
What
are
our
boundaries
as
a
downtown
commission?
What
can
we
you
know?
What
can
we
do,
and
you
know
when
you
look
at
what
our
our
charter
is
under
the
udo?
C
C
Okay,
let
me
let
me
back
up
if
all
of
us
were
on
the
commission
in
the
60s
and
70s,
when
urban
renewal
is
under
un
under
review.
Wouldn't
this
be
something
we
would.
I
hope
god
willing,
that
we
would
be
thinking
about
and
talking
about
right.
So
in
other
words,
we
should
have
caught
it
then,
and
so
we're
recommending
to
counsel
that
they
address
the
justice
of
the
issue.
Now,
that's
I'm
speaking
for
myself
and
I'm
not
telling
anybody
what
to
do.
D
C
Okay,
that
came
out
a
little
sorry.
H
On
that
one,
so
the
ashland
project
that
is
up
y'all
is
a
downtown
project
on
potentially
urban
renewal
land.
The
charlotte
street
land
in
the
city
is
in
downtown
is
a
substantial
high
impact
site
that
y'all
would
advise
on
and
review
and
could
have
not
directly
related
to
urban
renewal
and
that
it
wasn't
taken,
but
it
was
adjacent
to
many
things
taken
and
it's
part
of
the
possible
restoration
I
mean
there
are.
H
There
are
things
lee
walker
heights
and
the
parcel
in
front
of
it
may
come
into
play
like
there's,
there's
land
in
downtown.
That
does
impact
this.
If
you
wanted
to
tie
the
two,
I
could
see
some
lines
to
the
point
that
council's
already
working
on
this.
This
is
true.
F
C
I've
been
misunderstanding
you,
so
what
you're
saying
is
that
whatever
we
recommend
to
counsel
should
be
a
concrete
recommendation,
not
just
a.
D
C
C
Okay,
commissioner,
hunter.
I
Thanks,
I
am
trying
to
lower
my
hand
first,
so
so
in
specificity.
I
I
think
you
know
much
of
city-owned
land
that
would
be
in
an
opportunity
zone,
we're
not
in
the
county,
but
I
would
also
consider
that
for
county
or
we
are
in
the
county,
bernard
county
commission
could
totally
be
debated
around
this
factor,
whether
it
was
already
taken
by
the
laws
of
old
and
really
not
ethical
or
up.
For
you
know,
some
kind
of
built
new
building
those
things
are
very
concrete.
It's
highly
desirable
land.
It's
you
know
all
that
I
mean
putting
putting
specificity
to
specific
parcels.
I
C
I'm
trying
to
find
the
article
that
I
was
just
reading
about
the
folks
with
the
unca
who
were
doing
research
on
on
the
specific
properties
that
were
affected,
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
do
if
we
could
recommend
a
council
to
to
continue
that
research
specifically
to
identify
specific
parcels
and
affected
families
and
and
and
this
and
the
specific
harms
done
as
it
relates
to
urban
renewal.
I
So
I
hear
you,
I
want
to
put
a
flag
on
the
field,
because
it's
my
understanding
and
please
someone
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
that
that
research
has
been
done
kind
of
when
it
can
be
done
by
interns,
and
so
you
know
if
we
can
actually
move
the
needle
and
there's
really
concerted
effort
towards
identifying
what
that
land
is.
Specifically
the
parcels.
I
What's
going
to
be
done
about
land,
that's
already
been
taken
and
given
away,
and
somebody
else
is
doing
something
with
it.
Then
that's
really
much
more
concrete,
otherwise
we'll
be
here
a
year
from
now
and
everybody
would
have
wished.
Something
would
have
happened,
but
nothing
concrete
would
have
been
done
and
so
naming
actual
parcels
that
were
taken
in
in
addition
to
identifying
available,
city-owned
property
that
was
taken
or
is
in
an
opportunity
zone
is
huge
and
that's
very
concrete,
and
since
nobody
else
has
another
concrete
option.
C
Right
so
so,
commissioner,
hunter
you're,
recommending
that
our
recommendation
to
council
would
say
that
we
recommend
that
council
fund
a
study
or
or
maybe
even
fund
further
studies
or
into
the
specific
parcels,
families
and
effects
that
urban
renewal
had
on
the
families
of
this
of
asheville.
I
G
I
I'm
actually
identifying,
like
you
know
this
year,
those
parcels
are
clearly
identified
what
their
tax
value
and
their
actual
speculative
market
value
are
for
every
person
that
was
taken
and
those
that
exist
currently
in
the
city
allotment
and
especially
those
in
an
opportunity
zone.
This
is
a
way
we
can
start
putting
numbers
around
things
that
aren't
about
studying
the
people
but
studying
the
the
actual
problem
which
is
taking
land.
C
We're
in
agreement-
that
was
what
I
was
trying
to
say,
is
that
they
they
identify,
not
study,
but
they
identify
the
specific
parcels
and
the
values
and
address
address
that
address
restitution.
Stephanie
dahl
had
her
hand
up
but
she's,
not
on
my
screen.
Oh
there,
she
is.
P
Yeah
hi
chairman
moffat
and
the
commission.
I
just
wanted
to
put
out
their
question,
which
is:
would
it
be
helpful
for
you
all
to
get
an
update
or
report
on
the
city's
efforts
on
urban
renewal
mapping,
which
is
underway
and
also
how
that
ties
into
the
reparations
effort.
C
M
P
I
hear
a
lot
of
questions
going
back
and
forth
wondering
what
the
city
is
doing
versus
unca
and
we
also
worked
with
north
carolina
state
university
on
some
of
this,
and-
and
so
I
think
it
sounds
like
there's
enough
interest
from
this
commission
to
to
really
understand
it,
a
little
bit
more
in
depth,
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
ms
hunter
is
speaking
of
that
we
we
may
be
addressing
partially.
P
I
can't
say
that
we
are
addressing
it
exactly
the
way
that
she
is
addressing
it,
but
it
would
help
us
all
get
better
to
understanding
what
it
is
that
you
might
want
to
recommend
to
city
council.
I
know
you're
trying
to
finish
some
of
these
things
today,
but
I'm
being
honest
that
it
might
not
be
possible
to
know
exactly
what
the
city
is
doing.
L
I
So
if
we
don't
finish
it
today,
what's
the
what's
the
piece?
That's
we're
going
to
complete,
because
this
is
the
piece
where
many
many
african-americans
myself
included,
get
highly
frustrated
with
the
system
that
our
pieces
are
incomplete
and
unable
to
move
forward,
while
all
the
other
things
get
moved
forward
pretty
quickly.
So
I
just
want
to
name
it.
I'm
not
blaming
anyone.
I'm
just
here
to
speak
up
and
say
the
things
that
aren't
being
said.
G
K
C
C
We
can
understand
that
they're
still
working
on
it
and
that
there's
you
know
more
more
to
be
done
and
there
and
that
we
want
to
look
at
it
later,
but
I
I
agree
with
commissioner
hunter
that
just
because
we
don't
have
a
perfect
statement
doesn't
mean
we
should
we
can't
make
a
statement.
Stephen
lee
used
to
have
your
hand
up.
C
Do
you
have
more
to
add
or
okay,
sorry,
I'm
I'm
not
trying
to
police
y'all
a
promise,
on
the
other
hand,
thing
any
other
thoughts
on
on
on
that
recommendation
I
mean.
Would
anyone
object
if
we
recommended,
as
part
of
our
as
part
of
our
annual
report,
that
council
addressed
justice
for
families
who
lost
their
land
due
to
urban
renewal?
I
I
think
using
the
word
justice
is
really
soft.
I
think
it
leads
it
to
huge
interpretation
on
what
a
person
who
hasn't
lived
in
your
land
being
taken
calls
justice.
So
I
would
like
to
see
stronger
more
clear
language.
Like
you
know,
financial
justice
reparations
something.
E
C
Okay,
folks,
we
have
three
statements
that
we
can
include
as
part
of
our
final
report.
Yes,.
I
Well,
I
just
want
to
make
a
clear,
clear
distinction
here:
they
didn't
lose
their
land,
it
was
stolen
by
eminent
domain
or
eminent
domain
was
used
to
take
their
land,
and
I
would
really
just
like
the
language
to
be
more
representative
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
H
W-H-O-S-E
and
y'all
we're
getting.
I
love
y'all
you're,
getting
a
little
harried
here,
it's
an
important
topic.
I
don't
think
it's
helping.
You
get
your
recommendations
to
counsel
and
I
think
that
all
of
these
topics
have
their
own
huge
conversations
to
have,
and
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
get
what
I'm
hearing
is.
The
downtown
commission
cares
as
much
as
council
about
these
issues
and,
let's
all
talk
about
it
and
let's
get
this
sorted
and
let's
take
action
because
there's
history
there's
needs
and
we're
not
moving
very
quickly.
H
So
you
know
defining
what
reparations
is
or
restoring
landform
or
renewal
is
a
lot
to
be
defined
now,
so
maybe
encourage
us
to
work
on
it
and
write
us
with
your
individual
concerns
or
have
a
collective
coming
together,
where
you
have
one
voice
but
trying
to
do
that
now
at
four
o'clock
on
a
friday,
I
feel
like
you're
going
to
frustrate
yourselves,
and
I
don't
want
you
guys
to
do
that
if
possible,.
C
Agreed
robin
you
put
your
hand
down,
are.
C
Okay,
commissioner
hunter,
are
you.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
am
I'm
mindful
of
our
time.
We've
got
less
than
20
minutes
left
and
I
really
think
we've
first
of
all,
thank
you
folks.
You
have
been
incredibly
patient
and
and
wonderful
and
you
have
provided
great
feedback
and
I
honestly
think
we
have
some
statements
that
we
are
all
reasonably
in
support
of
at
this
time.
I
would
like
to
if,
if.
E
C
Well
done
well
done,
thank
you.
Is
there
a
second.
F
D
C
Okay,
I
think
dane
won.
Okay,
I
think
I
have
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
correct.
I
think
that's
what
I'm
supposed
to
do,
so
I
will
do
that
so
that
was
moved
by
commissioner
rodriguez
and
seconded
by
commissioner
barriger.
Commission.
Commissioner
charon
is
franzi
still
on.
C
Okay,
commissioner,
hunter.
I
E
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Johnson.
K
A
J
L
H
C
C
Oh,
you
made
the
motion.
You
made
the
motion.
Yeah
yeah,
there
you
go.
Okay
are
there,
we
did
not
receive
any
public
comment
prior
to
the
meeting
correct.
Okay,
and
with
that
we
have
voted
on
the
recommendations.
G
I'll
just
make
a
note
that
we
generally
meet
every
other
month
now
unless
there's
critical
business,
but
because
specifically
the
design
review
business
and
we
had
we
previously
planned
to
meet
in
april.
But
we
are
now
planning
to
meet
in
march.
So
we
will
see
everybody
sooner
rather
than
later.
E
C
Very
good,
okay,
great
work,
everybody.
I
really
appreciate
your
help
and
with
that
I
will
now
adjourn
the
meeting
unless
there
are
any
objections,
seeing
none
and
seeing
people
logging
off
have
a
great
friday.
Thank
you.