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B
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
the
chair,
barry
bialik,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
january
7th,
2020,
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
meeting.
To
give
you
a
kind
of
brief
overview
of
the
committee
we
have.
Our
committee
is
made
up
of
members
and
all
committee
and
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings.
A
little
bit
differently.
B
We're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
for
those
of
you
out
there
today
with
us
today.
Welcome
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating.
Virtually
committee
members
please
make
sure
to
mutual
microphone.
B
If
you're,
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question,
would
you
like,
and
if
you'd
like
to
speak,
unmute
your
microphone?
Please
remember
to
unmute
your
phone
to
speak
and
mute
your
phone
after
you
are
done
speaking.
This
option
is
star
six
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello
and
that
you're
here.
D
D
E
A
B
Okay,
okay,
we're
going
to
go
into
we're
going
to
start
our
committee
agent,
our
agenda
items
now
first
up
we
have
on
our
agenda-
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
last
month
because,
as
ever,
if
everyone's
had
an
opportunity
to
review
them,
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
accept
I'll
make
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes?
H
B
B
All
right,
I
guess,
we'll
go
through
the
it's
a
little
awkward.
We
have
to
go
through
a
formality.
Roll
call
just
to
accept
these,
so
I'll
call
your
names.
If
you
could
just
say
I,
when
I
call
you
so
I'll
myself
I'll
give
an
eye
dawana.
C
H
B
B
Yeah
no
worries
we
said
amber
is
not
here.
Margie
did
the
second
parker.
B
Thank
you
appreciate
that
sorry
for
the
awkwardness
of
that
community
development
updates
the
we
don't
have
an
updated.
I
think
we're
still
running
off
of
last
month's
updates.
Is
there
anything
that
you'd
like
to
add
to
that
poll
or
if
we
have
any
questions
from
from
last
month's
that
we
want
to
bring
up.
J
Sure
so,
good
morning
everybody
paul
d'angelo
with
the
community
development
division.
So
we
do
our
community
development
updates.
I
think,
as
you
all
know,
off
of
hcd
housing
and
community
development
meetings,
which
are
the
third
tuesday
of
the
month.
So
we'll
have
an
updated
community
development
update
on
this
january
19th
and
then
those
updates
will
get
not
only
posted
on
our
website.
They
are
shared
out
to
our
community
development
listserv.
J
So
if
you're
already
not
signed
up
for
that,
make
sure
you're
signed
up
there
to
get
a
informational
link
and
notice
that
those
are
out,
and
then
we
usually
try
to
do
a
press
release.
Since
there
wasn't
a
meeting
with
hcd
in
december,
we
don't
have
any
immediate
updates
again
until
january
19th,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have
about.
What's
on
those
updates,
which
is
pretty
consistent,
just
updates
on
projects
of
about
six
to
eight
pages.
I
Yeah
paul,
I
do
have
a
question.
This
is
joe.
Where
do
the?
Where
do
things
stand
with
the
the
scattered
sites,
the
city-owned
property?
I
know
that
applications
have
been
made
for
them
back
in
the
fall
and
and
that
had
been
pending
and
I'm
curious.
J
Sure
so
that
we
have
those
proposals
in
we've
done
the
first
round
of
evaluations
on
those.
I
think
we're
regrouping
in
a
couple
weeks
here
and
then
I
think
a
decision
will
move
forward
with
the
development
partner,
that's
selected
in
february
or
march,
and
we'll
get
those
moving
for
those.
I
believe
it's
the
three
parcels
that
we
have
so
it's
moving
just
got
a
bit
delayed
towards
the
end
of
last
year
should
hear
more
about
that
in
february
and
or
march.
J
On
the
those
three
scattered
sites,
actually,
I
think
that
we
talked
about
at
the
last
meeting.
Nikki
reed
is
on
this
call,
so
she
might
have
an
update
on
that.
I
believe
we
are
considering
doing
one
more
public
engagement,
okay,.
D
That's
kind
of
what
I
thought
any
other
questions
for
paul
marty.
G
Yes,
I
wanted
to
find
out.
Last
month
we
had
charlie
pond
and
I
wanted
to
find
out.
What's
the
if
anything
else
has
happened
with
the
home
ownership
on
the
condos
at
49,
biltmore
or
whatever,
the
dress
is.
J
So
they,
the
the
mayor
group,
they
are
still
moving
forward
with,
I
think
two
home
ownership
development
sites.
They
are
hoping
to
add
some
affordable
home
ownership
units
to
both
of
those
projects
as
they
presented,
charlie
presented
last
month
or
yep
last
month.
However,
none
of
our
policies
at
the
moment
really
can
do
much
for
them
any
of
our
policies
or
subsidy
to
help
make
that
happen
so
they're
still
moving
forward.
They
still
would
like
to
provide
some
affordability.
J
We
are
trying
to
see
a
couple
areas
where
we
can
help
them
out
in
and
those
are
at
the
informal
discussion
at
the
bottom
margie
that
I'll
bring
up.
Then,
if
that's
okay,.
A
J
Barry
can
I
add
one
other
thing
yeah
so
just
quickly
the
cd
updates
have
been
you
know.
Hopefully,
everyone
has
found
those
as
a
very
good
resource.
J
J
What's
an
update,
what
are
the
other
resources
so
we're
considering
separating
that
out
and
kind
of
having
two
cd
updates
I'll,
let
y'all
know
next
month,
but
we're
considering
kind
of
making
a
separate
document
for
that
we're
doing
our
best
to,
I
think
doing
a
very
good
job
of
keeping
up
with
the
potential
funding.
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
a
resource
as
well.
If
people
reach
out
so
additional
information.
If
they
see
that
document
you
know
and
then
of
course
they
can
call
2-1-1,
etc.
J
B
Okay
is
the
the
project.
I
forgot
the
name
of
it,
the
one
out
in
oakley
that
was
going
to
be
the
10,
affordable,
housing
phones
when
we
talked
about
paul,
is
that
it
was.
I
don't
remember
the
name
of
the
developer,
but
that's
the
one
that
went
through
and
then
it
looked
like
it's
not
going
to
go
through
now
is
that
is
that
officially.
J
Unknown
at
this
moment,
al
or
barry
you're
talking
about
al
clements,
developer
development
out,
but
I
think
it's
alice
place
lane
al
is
still
working
through
a
couple
of
his
financial
issues
on
the
front
end
and
we're
still
at
the
table.
I
think
he
may
come
back
to
us
for
four
of
the
units
to
still
do
as
affordable.
J
B
J
That's
correct
and
that's
already
come
up
as
a
question
on
our
end
of
if,
if
an
award
ends
up
not
being
used,
how
does
that
come
back
to
us?
And,
what's
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
in
a
policy
or
anything
like
that,
and
we
want
to
get
clarity
on
that.
J
As
an
example,
there
was
a
an
award
that
came
out
of
of
a
hack
and
nhcd
about
the
garage,
conversions
and
that
hasn't
moved
forward,
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
exactly
that
looks
like
to
be
a
good
partner
to
the
developer,
but
also
you
know
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
our
best
to
do
things
that
are
shovel
ready
and
we're
trying
to
keep
an
eye
on
that.
So
we'll
have
some
clarity
on
that.
B
Okay,
I
guess
we'll
wrap
that
up
thanks
paul
to
the
next,
so
we'll
have
so
next
month,
we'll
have
so
next
month
in
february.
The
updates
we
get
will
be
from
the
middle
of
this
month,
then,
is
that
right.
J
January
19th,
hcd
and
you'll
hear
all
about
it
at
ahack
on
february,
4th.
B
Okay,
great,
actually,
you
know
one
more
question.
I
guess
it's
not
might
be
later.
The
you
said
there
might
be
some
updates
on
down
payment
assistance.
What
is
what
is
the
status
with
that.
J
Oh,
you
know:
fasten
your
seat
belts,
it's
supposed
to
go
to
hdd
on
january
19th.
So,
okay,
it
has
not
been
moved
off
the
agenda.
It
seems
to
be
the
only
thing
on
the
agenda
so
wish
me
a
little
luck
there.
But,
yes,
we're
excited
to
see
what
we
can
do
with
that,
how
the
partnership
plays
out
with
the
federal
home
loan
bank
for
that
higher
amount,
I'm
still
trying
to
figure
that.
B
Does
anyone
I'm
just
since
there's
some
new
committee
members
who
weren't
on
the
committee
at
the
time
that
that
was
moving
through
is
there?
Does
anyone
have
any?
Is
it
everyone
familiar
with
that?
Does
any
anyone
have
any
questions
for
paul
about
that
before
it
goes
to
hcd,
since
we
it's
not
really
on
our
agenda.
D
F
Yeah
barry,
I
don't
I
guess
I
don't
get
to
fall
into
the
folks
who
weren't
on
the
committee,
when
that
are
we
holding
the
the
subsidy
caps
at
each
income?
Tier
are
those
staying
the
same
as
they
were
originally
drafted,
I
mean.
Obviously,
this
has
been
in
the
works
long
enough
that
market
rates
have
changed
and
those
original
subsidy
caps
may
no
longer
bridge
the
gap
for
folks.
J
Andy,
it's
like
you're
in
my
mind,
and
that
is
the
discussion
items
that
I'll
be
looking
at
next
week
when
I
try
to
develop
that
staff
report,
but
that's
where
I
think
we
will
go
to
up
those
a
bit.
So
I
have
some
thoughts
I'll.
Let
you
all
know
with
all
of
that
in
february,
okay,.
B
So
if
they
were,
I'm
just
you
know,
I
guess
that's
just
out
of
clarification.
I
my
understanding
was
like
it
was.
What
the
main
thing
we
were
waiting
for
is
approval
of
the
lending
partner
who
would
administer
it
if
there's
like
suggested
changes
to
that,
is
there
a
reason
that
that
didn't
come
back
through
us
for
our
committee
for
discussion,
it
seems
like.
J
It's
welcome
to
come
back
if
you
all
want
to
do
that,
we
want
to
try
to
get
this
moving
there's
some.
I
think
it
would
be.
The
third
party
partner
asked
for
three
small
changes
to
the
policy
and
I'm
happy
to
share
that
with
you
all.
If
you
want
to,
I
can
bring
that
to
a
hack
in
february
and
move
hcd
till
we
have
to
push
it
till
february,
but
I
think
the
changes
are
small
enough
that
it's
nothing
that's
too
heavy
at
all.
J
Regarding
this
policy,
however,
if
you
all
want
to
see
that
first
before
hcd,
I
can
do
that
it
would
just
push
hcd
back
from
january
to
february
which,
if
I
have
a
say
in
that
at
all,
I
would
prefer
to
move.
But
it's
up
to
you
all,
I
suppose,
no,
you
prefer
to
move
it
or
not
move
it.
I
would
prefer
to
move
forward
to
hcd
in
january,
and
I
can
certainly
welcome
you
all
to
that
and
share
staff
reports,
specifically
with
you
all
in
advance.
I.
B
Can
make
that
promise
barry
yeah?
No,
I
agree.
I
don't
want
to
slow
it
down.
I'm
just
curious.
Why?
Because
it's
something
we
ask
about
it.
You
know,
I
know
we
bring
up
and
ask
about
each
meeting
and
just
if
there's,
if
it's
moving
forward,
why
that
wasn't
brought
to
us
it's
like
hey.
This
is
good.
I
mean
it
was
mentioned
last
month
that
it
was
that
it
could
move,
but
that
to
bring
that
bring
any
discussions
about
how
it
might
change
through
us
before
it
goes
to
hd.
B
I
understand
we
don't
need
to
know
the
who
the
partner
is,
but
you
know,
since
it's
something
we've
shepherded
for
so
many
years.
It
you
know
would
be
good
to
have
that
input
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
change
before
it
went
on,
but
I
don't
want
to
slow
the
process.
I
just
I'm
just
curious
why
it
didn't
come
to
us
first.
J
So
it
all
just
happened
earlier
this
week
and
last
week
during
the
holiday
that
we
were
able
to
get
that
on
the
agenda
and
to
move
that
forward.
So
you
know
to
get
the
kind
of
thumbs
up
as
we
move
forward
with
that.
So
this
has
all
just
happened.
But
again,
if
you
all
want
me
to
bring
it
forward
to
you
all,
I
can.
C
I
have
a
small
question
so
with
the
subsidy
cap
increase,
would
that
be
changed
prior
to
hcd
approval,
or
is
that
something
that
can
come
after
hcd
approval
so.
J
The
plan
sure
the
plan
based
on
my
workload
at
the
moment,
is
to
look
at
that
policy
with
the
recommended
changes
from
the
third
party
partner,
which
again
are
a
couple
small
things,
and
then
I
want
to
review
the
policy
just
to
see.
The
only
thing
that
I
saw
in
a
brief
overview
was
potentially
raising
the
subsidy
cap
for
that
down
payment
assistance.
So
that
is
the
only
thing
that
I
can
see
right
now.
That
could
be
a
part
of
the
change.
J
So
I
know,
barry
we've
been
open
about
trying
to
get
this
back
on
the
agenda
getting
on
on
the
radar
the
second
floor,
getting
it
back
to
hcd
for
that
official
policy
like
basically
just
selecting
a
third-party
partner.
So
I'm
happy
to
share
that
staff
report,
which
will
be
done
probably
no
later
than
wednesday
at
5
00
p.m,
and
I
can
share
that
with
you
all.
J
B
Is
this
something
I'm
just
you
know
again,
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
push
it
too
much,
but
again
you
know
it's
coming
up
that
we're
going
we're
working
off
of
outdated
community
development,
not
really
outdated,
but
it's
like
last
month's
community
development
updates.
We
have
basically
something
which
was
pretty
important.
That
we've
been
part
of
shepherding
through
that
we're
not
seeing
before
it
goes
to
hcd
is,
is
I
guess
that
raises
that
question?
B
That's
come
up
in
the
past?
Is
our
meeting?
Is
the
time
we're
doing
the
our
meeting
our
date
proper,
or
is
there
too
much
of
a
gap
between
our
meeting
and
hcd
that
then
you're
not
able
to
you
know
it's
like
your
staff,
with
your
limited
capacity,
doesn't
have
the
time
to
prepare
the
needed
stuff
for
our
meeting.
But
you
know
in
time
for
hcd.
Is
there
something
we
should
look
at
with
this
gap
or
what
are
your
suggestions
on
that.
J
Sure
so,
outside
of
this
dpa
policy,
we've
been
able
to
bring
everything
forward
to
you,
the
dpa's,
just
kind
of
been
on
a
shelf,
for
you
know,
12
to
18
months
waiting
for
on
the
third
party
partner
for
us
to
be
able
to
move
things
forward.
So
that's
never
an
issue.
We
did.
You
know
with
everything
that's
going
on
and
with
all
the
additional
work
around
covid
we
had
requested.
You
know
slimming
some
of
the
meetings
and
maybe
putting
them
on
the
same
day
to
get
everything
kind
of
at
the
same
place.
J
What
we
have
requested
was,
instead
of
having
to
review
the
dot
the
hcg
or
the
community
development
updates
twice
a
month
if
we
could
just
do
them
once
a
month
and
review
those
once
a
month
for
that
storytelling.
We
would
appreciate
that
because
it
just
it
can
take
some
serious
time
to
work
through
those.
If
we
had
to
do
it
every
two
weeks,
we'd
rather
do
it
once
a
month.
If
that's
okay,
yeah.
B
No,
I
unders
yeah.
I
understand
it's
just
in
some
some
of
these
months.
It's
like
your.
Your
development
updates
are
going
to
be
done
after
our
monthly
meeting
but
before
the
hcd
meeting.
So
with
that
gap
in
time
it
means
we
would
be
reviewing
community
development
updates
that
hcd's
already
seen
so
that's
currently
we'll
be
a
month
behind,
and
I
think
our
role
as
an
advisory
committee
is
supposed
to
be
on
the
front
end
of
that.
H
J
But
so
you
know
we
do
those
once
a
month
for
hcd
and
it's
just
informed
the
committee
and
the
community
about
the
happenings
of
our
what
community
development
is
working
on?
That's
what
that
update
is,
but
there
isn't
any
decision
making
in
community
development
updates
sure
yeah.
B
Okay,
all
right,
well
something
we'll
just
watch
that
time.
I
know
it's
been,
you
know
suggested
like
I
know,
sage,
past
terror
and
suggested
we
kind
of
bridge
that
gap
and
maybe
move
our
meetings
to
that
same
day
or
closer,
and
you
know
we
determined
that
it
wasn't.
You
know
it
was.
That
would
be
difficult,
but
you
know
it
may
be.
I
guess
we'll
just
watch
this,
but
it
you
know
it
is.
B
I
just
find
it
a
little
frustrating
and
I
think
other
committee
members
might
feel
the
same
that
that
you
know
this
is
something
that
we've
been
such
you
know.
We've
been
part
of
making
that
happen
for
years
now
as
well,
and
then
to
have
it
move
forward
without
having
some
last
input
on
not
just
the
partner,
but
you
know
some
technical
changes,
but
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
hold
it
up.
I
mean
because
I'm
saying
well
again.
J
If
you
would
like
to
bring
back
and
see
those
policy
changes,
let's
just
do
it
barry
and
we'll
move
it
to
february.
I
don't
think
the
decision
of
the
third
party
falls
within
the
realm
of
a
hack.
I
think
that's
hcd
and
that's
the
main
thing
that
we're
deciding
you
all
want
to
see
the
policy
again
it.
You
know
it's
been
on
that
shelf
waiting
to
go
to
hcd,
so
I
apologize
if
it
looks
as
if
we're
trying
to
move
it
forward,
I'm
just
trying
to
move
it
forward
based
on
all
the
conversations.
D
F
Barry
can
we
maybe
just
in
the
interest
of
keeping
this
thing
on
its
january
timeline
and
having
a
little
bit
more
of
our
oversight
advisory
function.
Can
we
just
hear
what
the
other
than
the
well
the
subsidy
cap
and
you've
mentioned?
Two
other
possible
changes.
We
should
hear
what
those
are
in
concept
and
kind
of
agree
as
a
group
that
we
don't
have.
You
know
there
aren't
or
are
significant
concerns
about
those
in
concept
and.
J
I
can
do
that
in
concept.
Andy,
the
big.
The
one
request,
really
that
I
can
think
of
off
of
from
the
third
party
is
that
they
would
like
to
make
the
loan
not
forgivable,
so
that
they
can
keep
the
funding
moving
so
that
they
we
don't
run
out
of
funding
that
they
keep
the
funding
moving
and
our
this
committee
went
back
and
forth
about
that,
and
I
know
kathy
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
she
wanted
to
make
it
forgivable
after
30
years.
J
F
H
F
K
J
I
believe
it's
a
loan
that
sits
out
there
and
then
it
was
talked
about
as
being
forgivable
alone.
If
they
stayed
in
the
house
for
30
years
was
the
original
policy?
Okay.
J
B
Want
to
take
do
we
want
to
go
through
and
do
a
roll
call
vote
to
see?
I'm
because
I'm
I'm
mixed
on
that.
Let's,
let's
just
do
a
quick
sorry
to
bring
this
up,
and
I
didn't
that
it's
taking
this
much
time,
but
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
important
thing.
Can
we
do
it?
B
Is
that
andy?
I
think
you
and
I
are
the
ones
that
have
some
of
the
most
hesitants
on
this.
Is
that
is
that's
not
a
fair
way
to
do
this,
we'll
take
a
quick
roll
call
vote
to
see
if
we
should
ask
this
to
be
brought
to
our
next
meeting
or
we'll
say
we'll
say
I.
If
so,
we'll
do
I
if
we
want
this
to
be
postponed,
andy.
F
Well,
one
more
question
on
that:
I
mean
if
we
can
so
if
this
goes
to,
if
this
goes
to
february,
what's
the
actual
delay
in
implementation
right,
I
mean
do
you
if
we
if
we
get
this
is
your
third
party
in
a
position
where,
if
this
goes
to
hcd
on
january,
they're
gonna
be
able
to
start
deploying
these
funds
in
january,
or
I
mean
how.
F
Getting
this
in
front
of
hcd
and
council
drive
our
decision
about
whether
we
want
additional
oversight.
J
I'm
well
from
you
know
this
talk
over
the
last
12
months.
Everyone
wants
to
try
to
get
this
funding
moving.
The
big
question
were
two
things
that
we've
solved.
One
thing
was
finding
a
third
party
partner.
The
second
thing
was
getting
it
on
city
management's
radar
with
this
year
of
covet
and
everything
else.
It
has
been
difficult
to
get
things
with
everything
else
going
on.
J
So
now
that
we've
got
the
attention
to
move
it
forward,
I'm
excited
to
get
it
to
hdd,
then
it
would
get
approved
by
council,
and
I
believe
the
third
party
can
begin.
You
know
whatever
they
need
to
do
by,
hopefully
maybe
getting
funds
out
in
march.
I
would
hope
to
get
to
council
on
february.
23Rd
is
on
my
list
to
get
an
agenda
so
january
19th
at
hcd
february,
2030,
council
and
then,
however
long
it
takes
the
third
party,
we
get
the
funding
moving,
which
I
don't
think
is
long.
J
F
J
And
barry,
I
think
you
know
I'm
in
communication
with
a
lot
of
folks
on
this
group
and
if
you
all
feel
like,
I
made
a
bad
call
on
that.
I
can
accept
that
and
that
the
fact-
but
this
has
been-
as
I've
mentioned-
probably
every
meeting
my
achilles
heel
of
trying
to
get
this
on
the
radar
and
moving
forward.
I
personally
I'll,
do
it
either
way?
I
guess
I'm
on
the
fence
with
you
guys.
J
However,
I
feel
like
it's
a
fair
proposal
from
the
third
party
and
I
would
like
to
get
the
money
moving
other
side
of
the
fence.
It's
a
you
know
potentially
month
delay,
although
if
I
had
to
make
a
choice
and
point
it
to
a
corner
and
if
it
was
my
choice,
I
might
swing
to
andy
right
there,
because
I
know
what
happens
when
we
move
things
a
month
in
advance
and
then
something
else
jumps
on
a
calendar.
J
I
can
think
of
a
few
things
right
off.
The
bat
after
andy
said
that,
but
again
you
guys
provide
the
guidance
on
policy.
That's
your
major
role
can
commit
to
sharing.
You
know
the
the
report
when
I'm
done
with
it
on
wednesday,
but
again
I
think.
B
So
you
know
I
I
I
just
look
at
like
andy's
on
the
committee
like
there's
three
or
four
of
us
on
this
committee,
who
actually
will
be
using
these
funds
and
and
paul.
You
know
paul
holmchus
might
be
riding
along
with
them
with
other
lines
that
we're
we're.
You
know
we're
ones
who
will
be
using
this,
but
yeah.
I've
also
seen
too
many
things
stall,
and
we
do
you
know
if
we
do
have
the
opportunity
to
review
that
ahead
of
time.
B
We
all
do
have
the
opportunity
to
attend
hcd
and
give
our
comments,
and
we
maybe
what
we
do
is
we
we
make
sure
we
slot
at
the
hcd
meeting
the
opportunity
for,
for
you
know
for
our
committee
to
speak
at
that.
B
That
might
be
a
way
to
compromise
this,
but
just
to
note,
like
you
know,
obviously
you
can
see
our
little
bits
of
our
displeasure
that
it
didn't
run
through
this,
so
maybe
just
to
note
for
the
future
and
whether
we
need,
if
there's
anything
we
can
do
to
accommodate,
with
dates
to
make
to
bridge
that
gap
or
or
just
to
see.
You
know
for
us
to
note
the
importance
of
that
stuff
to
run
through
us
before
going
to
hcd.
J
Sure
and
mary,
you
know
again,
I
will
put
out
my
apology
to
the
table
there,
but
please
know
I.
I
think
this
is
the
only
anomaly
I
can
think
of
in
my
three
years
at
the
city
and
with
this
committee
that
this
has
been
the
let's.
How
are
we
going
to
move
this
forward?
The
flip
side
of
barrie
is
what
I
can
do
is
commit
to
trying
to
get
something
even
earlier.
J
So
maybe
I
could
get
a
draft
available
monday
so
that
if
we
had
to
call
some
emergency
meeting
towards
the
end
of
next
week
with
a
hack
for
discussion,
you
know
I
assume
there
will
be
discussion
at
hcd
as
well,
because,
as
you
all
know,
the
discussion
just
on
the
front
end
to
get
where
we
finally
got
was
was
a
lot
of
discussion.
But
we
did
find
a
partner
who
did
recommend
a
couple
changes.
B
Sure,
okay,
andy,
are
you
good?
I
mean
I'm
inclined
to
let
it
roll
okay.
G
Can
I
ask,
is
there
another?
Is
that
the
main
other
you
said
a
couple
changes?
Is
that
the
main
one
is
or
are
there
other?
I.
J
Think
that
literally
that
is
literally
it
and
the
one
that
came
up
to
me
was,
should
we
increase
the
cap
and
I
think
I'm
leaning
towards
recommending,
I
think
it
was
35
000.
I
think
we
should
up
that
to
40..
But
again
I
I
I
think,
you'll
know
how
I
work
like
prioritizing.
What's
up
next
on
my
plate.
So
that's
up
next
on
my
plate
to
look
at
beginning
of
next
week,
but
by
four
o'clock
on
monday.
I'm
happy
to
make
that
commitment
to
get
that
draft
to
you.
Okay,
all
right.
B
So
the
next
step
is,
you
know
we
have
the
list
of
available
homes
which
are
prepared
and
provided,
and
you
know,
I
think
that
the
the
reality
of
that
is
is
why
I
think
it's
so
important
to
move
this
to
not
hold
up
this
down
payment
assistance.
You
know
the.
I
think
that
you
know
one
of
the
glaring
facts
on
that
that
you'll
see
is
that
I
I
tighten
that
down
to
that
list
being
only
within
the
city
of
asheville
and
below
275
thousand
dollars
for
single
family.
B
Like
for
single
family
homes,
there
was,
I
think,
only
17
17
homes
total
in
the
entire
city,
which
is
obviously
all
real.
Real
estate
agents
are
saying:
that's
the
lowest
inventory.
There's
ever
been.
It's
scary.
You
know
that,
and
especially
knowing
you
know,
knowing
the
new
stock,
that's
coming
on,
it's
not
like
there's
a
there's,
a
plethora
of
new
construction
homes
coming
on
that
are
being
priced
less
than
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
it's.
So
I
think
you
know.
I
think
that
definitely
sets
our
you
know
the
the
reality
of
those
numbers
are.
B
G
No,
but
I
do
have
a
question
barry.
I
was
just
curious.
I
mean
it
just
seems
like
the
I'm
obviously
for
capitalism,
but
it
just
feels
like
that.
There's
a
whole
plethora
of
home
builders
that
are
going
for.
I
mean
no
matter
how
small
500
000
the
condo.
I
mean
they
don't
even
think
about,
and
I've
talked
to
a
few
of
them.
Let's
try
to
make
this
reasonable.
G
What
can
you
do
to
make
this
300
000
and
not
500
000
and
not
everybody's?
Coming
from
california,
I
mean
what
about
people
that
just
don't
have
that
kind
of
money.
Don't
have
50
000
to
put
down
on
a
house.
I
I'm
just
wondering
paul,
I
mean.
Are
you
talking
to
people
about
how
the
you
know
not
everybody
is
made
of
money
in
this
city.
J
That's
what
I
tell
everybody
margie,
but
no
totally
absolutely
right,
and
I
mean
it
is
a
challenge
that
we
continue
to
see.
I
think
we
might
talk
about
this
a
little
later
with
our
infield
developers,
who,
like
I
think,
I've
told
this
group
before
some
of
the
quotes
I
get
from
infield
developers
in
particular
margie,
not
the
larger
big
developers.
Is
you
all
make
it
so
difficult
to
build
houses,
for
you
know
with
the
infill
for
300
000,
for
this,
the
cost
going
up
because
of
x,
y
and
z
and
your
ordinances.
J
Guess
what
I'm
going
to
build
a
house
and
I'll
sell
it
in
the
next
day
for
500
000?
That
has
been
a
pretty
consistent
quote
now
for
a
year,
which
is
why
I'm
glad
that
this
committee
is
taking
up
the
discussion
of
of
infill
development,
at
least
to
help
with
some
small
local
developers
and
regional
developers
who
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution.
C
Paul
I
have
a
small
question
around
it.
Is
there
no
form
of
of
ways
of
holding
like
placing
some
accountability?
I
know
we
have
some
policies
around
that
reaching
those
building
for
this.
C
You
know
what
I
mean
and
some
supports
and
created
some
different
benefits
to
people
who
can
build
for
under
300
000,
but
even
in,
like
with
the
community,
that
I
work
with
in
in
filling
that
gap
to
be
able
to
afford
those
homes
which
might
be
a
two-bedroom
one-bath
home
that
three
years
ago
might
have
went
for
245
or
something
like
that.
You.
C
Mean
and
now
they're
going
for
300
400
000
dollars
like
the
the
people
who
need
it
most
that
are
on
the
people,
who
need
it
most,
that
we
are
working
that
just
in
general,
says
ahec
are
looking
at
trying
to
increase
the
housing
start.
Is
there
no
form
of?
C
J
Mean
just
or
if
that's
for
me
dewana,
you
know
our
basic
thing
around
affordable
housing
is
the
city
either
needs
to
subsidize
on
the
front
end
with
the
builder
or
on
the
back
end
with
the
homeowner,
so
obviously
the
back
end
homeowner
homeowners
with
down
payment
assistance
and
soar
and
or
our
partnerships
with
habitat,
abc
lt
and
mho
on
the
front
end
to
subsidize
the
developer
outside
of
housing
trust
fund.
J
We
really
don't
have
a
big
tool
available
to
be
able
to
assist
them
to
help
buy
down
the
price
of
something
outside
of
the
housing
trust
fund,
where
we
could
lend
them
money
at
a
very
low
interest
rate.
You
know
for
the
construction
period.
We
are
trying
that,
as
you
all
know,
with
the
12
condos
that
we're
supporting
that
we're
we're
actually
subsidizing
almost
playing
the
role
of
the
lead
bank
with
12
condos,
the
pineview
development
that
went
through
hcd
the
last
couple
months
and
then
approved
by
council.
J
J
What
can
we
do
with
the
development
process
itself
to
make
it
easier
and
more
cost
efficient
with
small
infield
developers,
but,
as
I
just
talked
to
andy
from
habitat
the
other
day,
like
you
know,
I
don't
we're,
certainly
not
throwing
our
hands
up,
but
the
tricks
of
homeownership,
like
I
don't,
have
a
lot
of
tricks
in
my
my
bag
at
the
moment
on
how
to
figure
that
out.
I
do
know
hearing
people
say
if
that
we
might
be
a
part
of
the
problem.
J
B
We're
going
to
talk
about
that
later
dwana,
but
I
think
the
yeah,
I
think
the
the
the
list
of
the
list
of
properties
and
seeing
the
dwindling
inventory
is
definitely
reality
check
and
I
think
yeah
we're
going
to
discuss
and
really
focus
like
our
our
year
and
our
work
plan
really
just
on
identifying
those
changes
and
how
we
can
how
we
can,
as
a
committee,
assist
in
them
and
to
your
point
on
how
to
ask
how
to
try
to
spread
the
load
to
other
builders.
B
To
say
you
know
this
is
you're
part
of
this
community.
You
need
to
maybe
one
out
of
every
10
houses
you
need
to
you
need
to
price
differently.
You
know
it's
just
really
kind
of
appeasing
to
their
hearts.
Some,
but
we'll
talk
about.
We
will
talk
about
that
later,
but
is
there
any
other?
You
know
on
those
lists.
I've
provided
with
the
homes
for
sale,
the
homes
under
contract
and
the
condos
any
other
questions
on
those
other
than.
B
K
I'll
just
make
a
quick
comment,
I'm
actually
in
the
process
of
planning
to
build
a
house
in
west
asheville,
so
one
small
addition
to
the
housing
supply
and
got
the
appraisal
for
it,
and
it
notes
in
there
that
housing
supply,
at
least
in
the
larger
west
asheville
market
area,
is
decreasing
by
three
percent
a
month.
So
food
for
thought.
B
J
B
Dude,
let's
see
we
unfinished
business
in
our
list,
we've
got.
You
know
new
committee
members,
so
applications
I'll.
Just
brief,
real
quick
on
that,
so
the
the
applications
were
were
were
due.
I
think,
was
december
28th
or
29th
there.
It's
going
to
the
boards
and
commissions
this
coming
tuesday.
We
had
a
fair.
You
know
the
we
had
the
previous
applicants
from
september
and
then
I
think
three
or
four
new
applicants
in
december.
So
it
goes
to
boards
and
commissions
on
tuesday
and
I
believe,
there's
one.
B
I
saw
something
in
our
agenda
about
on
the
the
the
meeting
notes
about
two
seats:
we're
really
just.
We
just
have
one
seat,
we're
filling
it's
just
sages,
sage's
seat
yeah,
but
so
we
should
know
yeah
sort
of
get
a
point
that
new
committee
members
should
get
appointed
tuesday
to
fill
sage's
seat.
B
Our
work
plan
item
b.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
that.
J
Yep
we
are
talking
to
ben,
I
think,
under
new
business.
Okay,.
B
So
for
our
work
plan,
when
I
I
provided
a
thing,
if
I
want
to
talk
about
that
after
maybe
after
ben,
because
I
provided
a
little
document
that
I've
started
an
outline
about
some
of
the
issues
for
affordable
housing
in
the
process
for
how
to
tackle
them
with
you
know,
I
think
I
think
the
document
was
attached
to
the
meeting.
B
So
maybe
what
we'll
do
is
bring
that
up
in
new
business
after
we
have
been
been
this
been
discussed,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
the
subcommittees
after
after
that
updates
on
the
affordable
housing
street
sheet.
Is
that
in
process?
Where
are
we.
J
Very
for
what
it's
worth,
we
sent
that
out
in
our
usual
channels,
with
the
cd
listserv,
etc.
I
think
we
got
about
12
suggestions
for
updates
to
it,
so
those
are
in
process
right
now.
I
think
we
can
still
fit
within
the
four
quad
fold,
but
we're
running
out
of
room
there.
J
Definitely
looking
at
the
resources
in
the
unit,
so
I
think
that's
moving
along
the.
We
have
two
interns
working
on
that
right
now,
so
very
excited
to
see
what
they
come
up
with
the
same
one.
Who
did
it
last
year,
which
was
great,
and
so
we
should
be
able
to
hopefully
have
something
deliverable
in
the
next
month
or
two,
and
we
did
already
reach
out
to
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
at
lotsar,
land
of
the
sky
association
of
real
realtor
association
of
realtors.
J
They
have
agreed
to
print
them
again
this
year,
which
is
great.
They
printed
them
for
us
last
year
and
we
still
have
and
it's
a
pretty
good.
The
updates
are
all
pretty
small
that
people
have
requested
and
we
still
have
last
year's
available.
So
if
anyone
wants
copies
of
those,
we
have
them
in
the
building.
I'm
happy
to
drop
them
off,
but
it
has
been
a
really
great
resource
and
thanks
for
all
the
input
on
trying
to
make
it
better
this
year,
cool.
B
Next
up,
we
have
an
item,
I
think
paul
and
I
discussed-
and
it's
brought
into
this
this
discussion
about
in
infill
housing,
but
the
tracking
and
reporting
of
the
inbound
requests.
B
You
know
the
question
I
brought
you
know
last
month
to
this
is
what
what
are
the
tools
that
will
that
we
are
allowed
to
track
with
like?
Is
it?
Can
we
because,
right
now,
these
requests
all
come
through
you,
whether
it's
to
whether
it's
developers
or
people
requesting
down
payment
assistance?
Do
we
have
the
ability
or
are
we
allowed
legally
to
put
on
the
affordable,
like
on
our
committee's
web
page
and
inbound
request
form
like
to
use
like
a
google
form
that
people
can
fill
out
that
way
we
can
compile
who's
looking
for
what?
B
J
I
don't
know
about
legal,
and-
and
so
I
don't
know
if
somebody
could
answer
that,
or
we
could
always
ask
that
question
of
janus.
You
know
for
us
between
all
of
the
calls
that
our
department
gets,
whether
it's
homeless
or
affordable,
housing
or
developers
it
is.
It
is
something
that
I
prefer
that
our
department,
our
division,
does
not
take
on
because
it
is
already
overwhelming
and
as
it
is
and
then
getting
the
data,
however
barry,
as
you
know,
I
hopefully
show
that
we're
trying
to
be
solution
oriented.
I
have.
J
J
What
I'm
talking
to
them
about
tomorrow
is
is:
is
there
a
way
for
us
to
figure
out
to
get
a
dedicated,
affordable
housing
hotline
that
could
cover
homeless
issues,
affordable
housing
issues,
I'm
looking
for
affordable
housing,
we'd,
of
course,
still
get
the
developer
calls,
but
but
in
my
opinion,
that
is
the
better
solution
than
adding
that
on
to
our
team's
tracking
ability,
where
we,
you
know
and
looking
at
our
capacity.
J
B
Opinion,
but
I'm
curious
on
that
yeah
I
mean
I
think
I
mean
I've
always
been
asked
for
some
kind
of
trackable
like
some
way
to
track
it
in
some
kind
of
database,
because
it's
it
would
be.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
because
I
know
right
now:
everything
is
coming
through
you
and
it's
and
it's
not,
I
don't
know
how
it's
entered
in
I
mean
I
know
like
lead.
B
You
know
leads
management
is,
is
is
a
lot
of
work,
so
I
wonder
if
there
is
some
kind
of
like
google
form
or
software
tool
that
I
mean
they
exist,
I
mean
we,
you
know
we
me
as
a
private
builder.
We
get.
I
mean
it's
amazing
now
you
know,
since
we
building
the
affordable
range.
B
I
think
that's
the
biggest
thing
that
would
help
is
that
data
it's
like
or
do
people
need
one
bedroom
houses,
two
bedroom
houses,
three
bedroom
houses,
and
I
think
that's
like
how
to
how
to
get
the
data
from
all
those
inbound
requests.
It's
not
as
much
the
the
the
individuals
names,
it's
the
it's
the
what
they're
looking
for.
So
we
know
how
to
match
that
up.
G
J
K
Paul,
I
know
you're
saying
obviously,
community
development
sounds
like
it's
maxed
out.
What
what
capacities
of
any
are
you
aware
of
that
either
development
services,
department
or
planning
and
urban
design
would
have
in
that
realm.
J
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
any
other
departments,
but
with
covid
being
completely
all
additional
work
that
our
team
is
doing.
We
we,
our
high
functioning
team,
but
we
are
at
capacity
we're
not
against
any
ideas
at
all
to
keep
track
of
these
things,
but
but
to
whether
somebody
can
get
online
or
then
they
end
up
calling
us
and
then
we're
filling
out
all
the
data
form.
I
just
there's
a
mismatch
there
at
the
moment.
J
B
F
Possibly,
to
paul's
point
my
my
experience
in
other
places.
It
is
a
you
know:
it's
a
non-profit
sector,
private
sector
function
that
usually
does
that
kind
of
housing,
integration
and
housing.
You
know
demand
research,
I'm
thinking
you
know,
there's
a
there's
a
model
out
of
the
twin
cities
where
I
was
before
here.
F
That
is
a
and
I'm
trying
to
blank
on
the
name,
but
it's
a
it's
a
rental
inc,
affordable
rental
inquiry
tool.
That's
it
that's
been
supported
in
part
by
fees
from
property
managers.
F
They
want
the
data
about
what
people
are
looking
for,
that
demand
data
that
they're
able
to
put
together
so
that
that's
a
a
possible
model
for
something
like
that.
I
mean
I
think
we
could
also.
You
know.
F
F
B
So
maybe
it
doesn't
feel,
like
you
said,
a
non-profit
or
for-profit,
even
partner
that
can
kind
of
do
that
to
take
it
off.
Of
maybe
I'll
have
some
discussions,
legal
scott
did
you.
K
Have
andy
in
twin
cities?
Do
you
know
if
that
was
hosted
by
the
metropolitan
council.
F
J
So
again,
just
the
meeting
with
2-1-1
is
tomorrow.
It's
we've
talked
to
them
before,
but
this
is
kind
of
the
first
meeting.
You
know
again
and
not
you
know
joking
here,
but
not
going
out
of
my
station
here
to
try
to
make
the
the
offer
or
discussion,
but
I
would
like
to
know
two
on
one
takes
all
sorts
of
calls.
I
don't
know
what
a
dedicated
affordable
housing
hotline
looks
like
and
what
would
that
cost?
But
that
is
some
of
the
questions
I'll
be
asking
tomorrow.
J
If
y'all
have
any
suggestions
on
things
to
ask
there,
I
personally
think
that
is
a
great
way
to
keep
track
of
the
data.
But
I
do
certainly
you
know
hear
where
barry
you're
trying
to
go
with
this,
and
I
think
this
whole
group
on
the
screen
knows
we.
We
do
one
thing
our
team
does.
Is
we
respond
to
every
phone
call
or
email
for
people?
Looking
for
resources,
we
try
to
guide
them
in
the
best
directions
possible.
We'll
continue
to
do
that.
J
B
B
How
would
what
are
the
reasons
like
how
do
you?
So
if
you
were,
I
guess
from
your
perspective,
what
would
be
the
easiest
method
if,
if
people
needed,
you
know,
people
from
the
public
were
needing
to
ask
like
how
do
I,
these
are
my
needs
and
whether
it's
for
rental
or
I
want
to
buy
a
house
and
use
the
down
payment,
what
would
be
the
most
accessible
way
for
for
people
to
contact
in
your
opinion,.
C
I
think
I
I
like
the
two
on
one
idea
that
paul
was
speaking
to
or
some
form
of
a
housing
line,
because
a
lot
of
times
people
like
going
to
the
website
y'all
have
made
it
very
accessible
paul,
and
it's
not
to
take
away
from
that,
but
to
say
that
navigating
that
process
for
a
lot
of
people
can
be
frustrating
and
challenging,
and
so
if
they
had
a
line
that
they
can
call
and
and
get
the
information
on
how
to
navigate
the
website
or
you
like,
pose
those
direct
questions.
I
don't
think
that
I
can.
C
Our
economic
development
department
needs
to
kind
of
like
paul's
department
needs
to
manage
that,
because
that
can
be
overwhelming
and
I'm
actually
managing
it
for
self-help
right
now.
So
I
I
I
know
it
can
be
overwhelming
with
the
questions
and
a
little
bit
of
the
hand-holding
type
of
ish
type
of
thing.
So,
like
I
really
think
having
a
a
phone
number,
everybody
are
not
tech
savvy.
Yes,
this
is
the
times
and
especially
due
to
covet.
C
We
have
been
virtual
a
lot
with
a
lot
of
programs
and
everything,
but
everybody
are
not
keen
to
this
computer
navigation
thing
and
I
think
the
phone
would
be
the
best
option,
because
you
can
just
give
them
a
number
and
be
like
call
them
and
then
there's
somebody
that
can
that's
all
about
housing.
You
know
what
I
mean
that
can
specifically
speak
to
housing
and
what
are
the
resources
out
there?
I
like
that
two-on-one
idea,
and
I
really
hope
that
it's
a
productive
conversation,
because
that
would
be
amazing
and
then
everybody
knows
2-1-1.
J
And
dwana,
thanks
for
that-
and
you
know
our
internally
we're
calling
it
2-1-1-1,
and
so
whatever
that
turns
out
to
be,
we
don't
know,
but
that
is
the
home
ownership.
Questions
would
be
great
to
take
as
well,
because
so
many
people
don't
know
how
to
navigate
that
world.
So
it
would
be
all-encompassing.
J
You
know-
and
eventually
you
know,
forsyth
county.
I
believe
it
is
in
outside
of
winston-salem,
like
they
have
a
home
ownership
center,
an
affordable
home
ownership
center.
You
know
that
one
day,
wouldn't
that
be
great,
you
know
to
have
a
place
where
these
non-profits
involved
in
this.
You
can
actually
go
in
to
talk
to
somebody,
let
alone
call
those
are
dreams
of
grandeur
there,
but
I
think
there's
some
possibility
to
start
with
the
phone
and
website
and
skipping
on
the
agenda.
You
know
informal
discussion.
B
Cool
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
and
yeah
thanks
everyone
for
their
input
on
that
and
yeah
dwana.
That
was
real.
That
was
really
helpful.
You
know,
because
that's
really
what
we're
we
want
to
make
sure
it's.
We
want
to
be
the
most
accessible
and
then
and-
and
I
do
like-
maybe
this
part-
be
a
partnering
with
a
non-profit
to
be
able
to
compile
that
data.
I
just
think
that
the
data
would
be
so
valuable
for
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
this.
You
know
this
year.
B
Okay,
let's
move
on
it's
a
new
business.
We
have
paul,
you
have
been
right
and
so
basically
he's
just
brief
us
quickly.
What
he's
going
to
be
talking
about.
J
Sure
so
ben
wright
is
a
local
developer
and
what
a
local
infill
developer
that
I've
been
talking
to
like
when
we
make
first
contacts
with
people
for
probably
the
last
six
months,
give
or
take
and
ben
is
great
and
one
of
those
local
developers
who
wants
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution
for
affordable
housing,
and
so
we've
been
talking
quite
a
bit
about
opportunities
with
some
land.
He
has
where's
our
programs,
our
policies,
our
subsidy.
What
could
work
with
him
ben?
J
It
really
presents
the
case
from
his
side
of
you
very
well
about
some
challenges
and
struggles.
You
know
working
through.
You
know
whether
it's
my
department
or
dsd
or
planning,
and
so
ben
is
our
test
case
as
an
infill
developer,
who
is
trying
to
work
through
the
process?
He's
got
a
parcel
that
he's
trying
to
develop.
J
I
think
he's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
then
he'll
talk
about
like
a
little
exciting
news
about
a
meeting
we
have
next
week,
but
ben
right
happy
to
introduce
him
he's
been
great
to
work.
E
Okay,
okay,
awesome
well,
hi
everyone
and
thanks
paul,
if
you
don't
mind,
sharing
the
the
presentation,
just
a
quick
five
to
ten
minute
presentation
and
we
can
get
started
well
everyone
thanks.
So
much
for
having
me
my
name
is
ben
wright.
Like
paul
mentioned,
I've
been
in
nashville
for
going
on
six
years
now
and
we
own
a
company
called
mount.
E
Building
background,
specifically
in
the
affordable
housing
space
in
the
baltimore
area,
and
then
my
wife
and
myself
are
both
in
technology.
I
worked
for
a
company
out
of
the
silicon
valley
area,
my
wife
out
of
minneapolis,
so
it's
nice
because
it
we
don't
need
to
work
on
builders
margins
as
much
and
we've
found
that
we
can
get
fairly
creative
with
what
we
do
and
when
you
have
a
passion
for
providing.
You
know:
affordable
housing
and
advantageous
zip
codes
with
access
to
health
care
and
schooling.
E
It
it
it's
kind
of
a
nothing,
can
stop
you
as
long
as
you
get
creative,
at
least
that's
what
we
found
and
we
have
a
propensity
to
find
properties
and
endure
in
the
last
year.
You
know
we
are
a
smaller
infill
developer,
but
in
the
last
12
months
we
have
accumulated
around
10
properties,
11
properties,
as
well
as
10
pieces
of
dirt
in
the
28804
and
0-1
area
codes
really
quickly,
we'll
start
with
the
330
barnard
project,
which
I'm
so
excited.
I've
been
working
with
paul.
E
We've
just
begun
this
kind
of
this
journey
on
this
project
and
then
talk
a
little
bit
about
creative
thinking,
which
barry
you
kind
of
hit.
The
you
were
a
great
lead-in
to
that
subject
of
what
I'm
going
to
be
discussing
and
then
just
finish
with
any
questions.
If
that's
okay
with
you
all.
E
Okay,
paul,
if
you
don't
mind
going
to
the
next
slide,
so
this
is
and
you
can
just
click
through
the.
I
think
it's
a
building
slide.
I
think
the
slide
builds,
but
it
doesn't.
You
don't
need
to
build
it.
The
one
up.
Sorry,
there's
just
should
be.
You
should
be
able
to
click
in
and
actually
there
should
be
verbage
on
that.
E
J
Sorry
about
that
yeah,
it's
gonna
be
coming
up.
A
Hey
paul
christina
here,
I
believe
that
that
should
be
fine,
but
in
the
future
we
should
work
on
a
better
way
of
you
know,
making
sure
that
we
can.
You
know
present
those,
but
thank
you.
Benjamin
continue.
E
Am
I
unpresented,
so
you
guys
see
the
presenter
mode
you're
good,
okay,
cool
perfect.
So
this
is
our
332
project.
Excuse
me,
330
barnard
project.
You
can
see
this
kind
of
map
here.
E
This
survey
is
essentially
what
could
be
if
we
were
to
really
go
in
and
develop
this
property,
it's
rs8
zoned,
but
when
we
had
an
early
assistance
meeting,
it
wasn't
from
an
affordable
housing
standpoint,
and
so
you
can
just
kind
of
disregard
this
seven
through
15.
E
and
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
one
through
six
today,
some
specs
on
the
property.
It's
one
block
to
unca.
It
is
rs8
zoned,
which
means
we
can
take
advantage
of.
We
can
take
advantage
of
the
cottage
development
standards.
You
know,
I
think
the
maximum
potential
for
this
because
of
the
area
is
probably
you
know
multiple
high-end
homes,
one
through
six
could
be.
E
You
know
four
hundred
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
homes
easily
the
block
above
it
has
you
know,
number
of
million
dollar
homes
and
I
think
our
ideal
use
is
we
create
six
duplexes
in
that
same
space,
actually
a
little
bit
smaller,
of
a
space
that
are
duplexes
vertical
in
nature.
E
E
I
should
process
the
preface
with
we
have
a
early
assistance
meeting
from
the
affordable
standpoint
next
week,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
hopefully
being
able
to
report
back
the
next
meeting
or
the
the
the
meeting
after
the
meeting
to
follow
on.
You
know
how
we've
kind
of
tried
to
get
creative
with
the
city
and
zoning
and
planning
and
and
what
the
feedback
has
been.
E
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
much
of
that
up
front,
because
we
haven't
had
that
that
meeting,
I
will
say
from
our
prior
early
assistance
meeting
some
of
our
hurdles
that
we're
looking
at
are
zoning
restrictions.
D
E
We're
you
know,
we're
fine
as
it
pertains
to
city
zoning,
but
because
of
you
know
some
rigid
rules
or
zoning
on
duplexes
or
town
homes
it,
even
though
the
density
fits
the
the
use
doesn't
right
and
we
haven't
really
heard
a
a
a
good
reason
or
any
anything
behind.
Why
that
that's
the
case,
but
essentially,
if
we
could
share
walls
that
those
six
would
you
know,
scrunch
saving
more
green
space.
E
It
also
makes
us,
of
course,
cheaper
to
build
and
easier
to
provide
that
affordable
housing
for
also
infrastructure
costs
I'm
having
to
to
create-
which
I
think
you
all
have
heard
before.
If
infrastructure
costs
are
absolutely
a
a
large
concern
when
it
comes
to
building
in
the
2804
area
code.
E
So
the
idea
with
the
the
affordable
housing
early
assistance
meeting
is:
how
do
we
conquer
these
seemingly
comparable
chart
challenges
right
and
how
do
we
make
this
work?
And
so
that's
what
what
this
specific
project
is?
At
least
the
phase
one
of
it
and
so
we're
excited
to
to.
E
Any
questions
or
thoughts
on
on
on
this
specific
project.
Again,
I'm
excited
to
kind
of
follow
up
as
we
go
down
this
path
with
with
the
city
and
with
paul.
G
E
This
specific
one
we
would,
we
would
keep
as
a
rental,
yes,
ma'am.
We
we
have
traplexes
on
either
side
of
these,
and
so
this
parcel
of
land
we
would.
We
would
want
to
keep
within
mountains
to
see.
We
do
have
others
that
we
would
be
amenable
to
to
for
home
ownership.
B
The
one
thing
I'll
share
now
this
is
this
is
great.
You
know
this
case.
Study
is
is
great,
because
this
is
exactly
the
kind
of
you
know
the
barriers
to
share
with
the
committee
to
show
that
how
we
can
focus
on
changing.
You
know.
The
cottage
development
is
one
that
I've
helped
change
the
rules
on,
but
they're
still
darn
near
impossible,
especially
in
the
rs8
zoning.
So
rs8
zoning
does
not
you
know.
B
Doesn't,
oh,
you
know,
doesn't
allow
multiple
units
on
the
hat
on
the
property
unless
it's
used
to
the
cottage
development
and
then
the
content
development
does
not
allow
duplexes,
it
doesn't
allow
attached.
It's
very
specific.
That
is
neat,
but
that
is
so
right
now
the
zoning
would
not
allow
that
to
be
attached.
I've
tried
it.
B
I've
been
told
no,
but
it's,
but
that
is
like
this
is
a
good
example
of
something
that
here
is
someone
who
wants
to
provide
and
wants
to
do
the
right
thing
and
our
zoning
laws
stop
him
from
that,
and
that's
an
easy
change
for
us
to
do
and
there's
easy
tools.
Sometimes
we
don't
and
there's
there's
tools
to
make
those
changes
happen
that
we
as
citizens
can
initiate.
J
And
thanks
barry
and
paul
here
ben,
I
think
that
might
be
all
you've
got
for
us
and
I'm
looking
at
our
time
about
10
34.
So
we've
got
a
couple
other
things,
but
but
ben
has
been
great
to
be
the
start
of
this,
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
focus
for
this
committee
and
and
walking
through.
So
I
do
want
to
make
sure
to
thank
ben
for
being.
You
know
our
guinea
pig
for
this
ben.
E
Yeah,
no,
no,
no
problem
and
paul.
Do
you
mind
or
do
you
mind
if
I
just
take
one
more
minute,
you
got
it
okay,
so
barry
you
mentioned
inventory
is
scary,
and
we
all
know
that
right
and
the
problem
with
new
construction
is
even
if
you,
if
you
want
to
sell
something
for
250,
but
a
piece
of
land
in
in
the
2804
area
code
is
at
least
50
000
bare
minimum.
That's
never
going
to
work
from
a
developer
standpoint
right
on
a
small
intro
parcel
of
land.
E
What
we've
really
started
to
focus
on
is
trying
to
take
existing
market
rate
and
multiple
family
units
and
translate
that
back
into
affordable.
One
of
the
things
that
we
were
discussing
with
paul
was
on
this
specific
quad
flex.
This
use
case
was
they
were
asking
4.99
for
it.
We
were
looking
for
potentially
a
little
of
assistance
to
purchase
the
down
payment,
so
25
000
a
unit
or
20
000
a
unit
even
to
make
that
down
payment.
E
Now
we
would
pay
that
back
on
a
good
scale
with
a
good
interest
rate,
but
this
one.
For
example,
when
we
started
talking,
I
started
thinking.
We
could
have
just
made
this.
We
could
have
literally
turned
this
into
affordable
units
and
sold
them
for
under
175
for
a
two-bedroom
one-bath
unit.
This
is
a
less
than
half
a
block
away
from
from
jetty
race,
right
walkable
to
town
and
advantageous
zip
code,
and
we
would
have
put
some
money
into
it
to
make
them
very
nice.
E
Two-Bedroom
one-bath
unit
right-
and
I
know
historically,
you
all-
are
spending
up
to
up
to
eighty
thousand
dollars
a
unit
for
affordable.
So
I
think
just
thinking
create
creatively
on
a
example
like
this,
where
we
can
take
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
a
unit,
pay
that
back
almost
immediately
and
provide
four
two
bedroom.
One
bath
units
close
as
close
to
town
as
you
can
get
on
an
ownership
standpoint
can
be
very
powerful
and
I
could
I
could.
E
This
is
one,
but
I
could
give
you
six
of
them
right
now
that
I've
looked
at
so
just
something
to
think
about.
You
know.
The
developer
side
on
the
grand
scale
is
one
thing,
but
there
are
creative
infill
developers
and
creative
people
that
like
to
give
back
on
the
affordable
side.
E
They
can
flip,
but
it's
very
hard
to
find
out
if
we're
even
qualified
for
the
funding
because
of
the
fun
is
gonna
take,
maybe
60
to
90
days
for,
and
we
can't
you
know,
no
nobody's
gonna
wait
69
days
to
close
on
this
thing.
So
just
something
else
I
wanted
to
plug,
and
I
look
forward
to
you
know
speaking
with
you
all
more
and
getting
creative
on
fixing
the
solution.
J
E
J
Jump
in
quickly
it's
paul
here,
it's
not
very
often
you
get
a
developer
to
call
you
up
that
wants
to
flip
market
to
affordable.
So
it's
very
exciting,
and
of
course
we
can.
You
know
ben's
got
some
he's
eyeing.
Other
problems
we'll
see
how
it
all
goes
because
the
challenges
of
our
trust
fund
but-
and
I
don't
even
know-
we
think
that
this
is
a
legal
use
of
housing-
trust
fund
dollars,
we're
going
to
be
updating
that
policy,
but
more
exciting
flipping
market
to
affordable.
If
we
can
do
it.
B
B
Real
life
cases
really
help
us
kind
of
apply
really
review
of
what
what
the
change,
what
what
the
barriers
are
and
how
we
need
to
kind
of
tackle,
tackle
the
hinges.
Thank
you.
E
B
All
right,
there's
on
the
intended,
the
ashland
avenue
development
or
something
what
once
yeah.
J
L
Thanks
everybody
happy
new
year
glad
to
be
here
I'll
err
on
the
side
of
brevity.
I
know
our
time
is
already
running
long
in
the
two
months
since
we
met
on
november
5th,
we
presented
at
hcd
on
the
17th
of
november
and
julian
shanika
approved
our
proposal
and
it's
moving
on
to
be
voted
before
city
council
in
february.
L
The
city
also
gave
haywood
street
formal
permission
to
start
neighborhood
engagement,
which
we
have
done
in
earnest.
We've
had
quite
a
few
conversations
with
the
county.
Numerous
commissioners,
including
brownie,
will
be
submitting
our
application
for
2021
allocation
continue
to
be
in
dialogue
with
the
city.
We've
had
a
number
of
meetings
about
community
engagement,
talking
with
council
members
and
including
newly
elected
ones.
L
We've
met
with
the
dogwood
health
trust.
Sarah
grimes
is
the
new
director
of
affordable
housing.
We've
had
a
couple
of
site
visits
with
her.
We
had
a
recent
presentation
with
dogwoods
board,
their
new
interim
ed
and
various
staff
about
progress
with
ashland.
I've
personally
met
with
the
ima,
the
interdenominational
ministerial
alliance,
a
number
of
clergy
men.
In
particular.
L
A
number
have
asked
for
information
that
that
I
have
sent
forward.
We've
received
a
number
of
significant
affirmations
of
support
from
them,
and
one
asked
of
one
clergyman
in
particular
is
for
haywood
street
to
mentor
them,
so
they
can
do
their
own
project,
which
of
course,
we're
happy
to
do.
Our
community
development
board
is
meeting
regularly.
We've
had
a
number
of
subcommittee
meetings
about
neighborhood
engagement
and
we're
talking
with
sister
agencies
about
letters
of
support
for
our
proposal
on
ashland
and
then
most
significantly,
we
have
been
very
active
in
the
south
side.
L
Neighborhood
we've
made
over
125
contacts
we've
reached
out
to
every
business
non-profit
school
that
we
can
find
a
phone
number
or
an
email,
for
I'm
sure,
we've
missed
a
few,
but
everybody
we
can
locate
a
contact
for.
We
followed
up
with
everyone
that
called
into
hcd
or
has
reached
out
to
the
city
we
have
followed
up
with
as
well.
That
has
a
contact.
L
We've
had
quite
a
few
conversations
with
neighbors,
especially
on
bland
street,
some
sometimes
four,
five,
six
conversations
with
each
neighbor.
We
have
a
presentation
with
the
ywca
tomorrow
and
in
the
coming
days,
we'll
be
sending
out
a
a
packet
to
everyone
that
has
expressed
interest
concern
about
our
proposal.
That
will
include
a.
C
L
Map
elevation,
drawings
and
a
fact
sheet,
nearly
four
pages
of
of
q,
a
that
have
come
up
over
the
past
two
months.
That
will
inform
any
of
the
the
questions
that
are
out
there.
So.
I
L
A
that's
a
brief
overview
of
what
we've
been
up
to
over
the
the
past
two
months
and
we'll
continue
all
of
this
work
up
to
the
vote
in
february
and
after
that,
as
well.
J
And
hey
brian,
we
really
appreciate
you
being
here,
I'm
not
sure
nikki
reed
is
on
the
call,
I'm
not
sure
if
she
wants
to
add
anything
nikki.
Do
you
want
me
to
share
the
screen
that
I
was
inadvertently
preparing
to
share
that
I
didn't
know
I
was
sharing
but
to
show
the
project
page
that
we're
about
to
start,
and
I
can
just
show
the
top
part
of
it
just
to
give
a.
I
think
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words
and
brian
put
in
some
work
for
this.
M
Sure
and-
and
I
think
that's
just
an
update
from
the
city
side-
we
are
preparing
a
project
page
to
be
published
onto
the
city
website
about
the
project,
as
well.
As
our
frequently
asked
questions
page
two
of
the
information
that
we've
gotten.
We
also
plan
to
do
a
a
site
on
the
city's
public
input
page,
and
so
that
will
allow
for
people
that
have
feedback
to
post
their
their
input
there
and
and
have
dialogue
with
the
city.
M
That
way,
we
get
getting
a
lot
of
emails
about
this
project
and
we're
keeping
track
of
those
and
trying
to
ensure
that
we're
being
responsive
in
that
manner
to
to
listen
to
those
concerns.
But
we
are
scheduled.
There
are
are
three
specific
decisions
that
require
a
council
authority
here,
the
first
on
february,
23rd
we'll
be
going
in
front
of
council
with
the
land
sale
proposal,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
the
first
decision
that
comes
before
council.
M
That
was
what
the
hcd
had
voted
on
in
november
and
then
later
on,
we'll
be
following
up
with
the
housing
trust
fund
allocation,
as
well
as
a
conditional
zoning
that
should
happen
later
in
the
year.
But
but
we're
taking
that
february
23rd
date
to
to
address
the
land.
B
We
do
end
up,
we
do
have
some
public
comment.
That's
come
in
that
we'll
discuss
right
at
the
end,
and
I
think
there
was
something
specifically
about
this,
we'll
get
to
that
at
the
end
about
that
anything
anything
else
on
this
or
it's
not
move
on.
I
guess
I
should
ask
anyone
from
committee.
Anyone
have
any
questions
for
them,
while
they're
still
here.
B
Good,
thank
you
thanks.
So
much
for
being
here
next
up.
Yes
thanks!
So
when
I
went,
you
know,
since
you
know
our
our
our
time,
our
time
is
running
out,
but
I
do
want
it
to
I'm.
I
want
to
hit
really
quick
that
document
that
was
attached,
but
I
do
want
to
know
first
from
paul
there's
on
the
agenda.
There's
there's
some
stuff
about
cdbg
and
home
applications
and
four
percent
bond
tax
credits.
Do
you
have
something
that
you're
presenting
on
about
that
in
this
meeting.
D
J
Yeah
want
to
make
sure
everyone
I'll
be
real
brief.
If
you
want
me
to
do
it
now,
knock
it
out,
bro,
barry
or
you're
gonna
wait,
yeah.
J
Yes,
sir
cdbg
and
home
applications
are
on
our
website.
They
are
ready
to
go
so
we
put
those
out
before
christmas.
So
if
anyone
has
any
questions
they
can
reach
out
to
me.
That's
for
fiscal
year,
21
22..
J
Thanks
to
the
whole
ct
team,
we
had
a
lot
of
hud
deadlines
at
the
end
of
the
year.
This
was
one
of
them
to
get
up
our
applications,
so
they're
ready
to
go,
and
there
was
some
good
news
about
the
four
percent
bonds
and
the
tax
credits
margie,
probably
might
add
something
here
later.
We
could
talk
about
it
later,
but
basically,
whatever
law
or
whatever
was
changed.
The
gap
that
comes
with
a
four
percent
bond
for
tax
credit
housing
is
non-competitive.
It's
usually
about
5
million
bucks,
give
or
take
and
being
very
general
here.
J
That
gap
is
basically
cut
by
about
25
ish.
So
I'm
a
very
simple
story:
is
it?
What
was
5
million
dollars?
Might
now
only
be
4
million
bucks,
so
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
affordable
to
do
four
percent.
We
sure
are
hoping
to
see
more
four
percent
up
in
this
area,
and
you
know
I
think
that
is
a
great
partnership
opportunity
with
the
county
every
two
three
two
or
three
years
as
I
always
try
to
repeat
that
partnership
opportunity
with
them.
B
J
Sure
so,
just
to
show
you
know,
barry
your
commitment
that
I'm
not
stuck
in
dpa
policy
world.
I
am
have
started
a
draft
for
str.
How
can
we
possibly
use
short-term
rentals
for
affordable
housing
as
well?
As
can
we
find
a
way
to
use
the
land
use
incentive
grant
for
home
ownership?
So
these
are
two
policies
that
I'm
just
drafting
on
my
own
time
with
work,
trying
to
figure
out
that
may
or
may
not
come
forward.
J
I've
got
to
get
a
little
direction
from
the
second
floor
in
city
management,
but
we're
looking
at
an
additional
revenue
stream
from
str's
and
the
home
ownership
challenge.
As
we
talked
about
earlier,
is
alive
and
well
can
we
use
luigi
for
home
ownership
and
something
also
that
isn't
on
here,
but
about
next
month
is
you
know,
do
we
want
to
go
up
to
100
ami
for
home
ownership?
I
think
it's
worth
a
discussion.
J
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
yeah.
Those
are.
Those
are
big
issues
all
right,
so
what
I'm
gonna
roll
to
really
briefly
before
I
go
into
public
comment,
is
in
the
so
there
there's
a
document
that
that
I
was
attached
to
to
the
meetings.
It's
it's
about
kind
of
the
develop.
I
call
it
kind
of
the
affordable
housing
construction
process.
B
So
what
I
want
to
in
as
a
work
plan
item
and
as
kind
of
a
basis
for
how
we
can
explore
what
subcommittees
we
could
break.
We
could
create
the
you
know
so
this
document,
if
you
pull
up,
I
think
it
says
on
it:
a
hack
priorities,
affordable
housing
components
and
it
basically
broke
up
the
process
of
you
know
how
how
we
create
affordable
housing
from
what
you
know
into
sections.
B
One
is
called
land
and
that
just
kind
of
discusses
you
know
the
the
concept
of
locating
suitable
land,
the
financing
for
the
land,
the
infrastructure
that's
needed
to
make
land
developable,
then
a
section
called
build,
which
is
really
then
for
building
building
the
homes,
the
construction
process,
the
financing
process
for
construction.
What
subsidies
we
have
how
to,
as
we
discussed
earlier,
how
to
engage
builders
to
spread
the
lower
profit
load
and
then
look
at
different
kind
of
creative
ways,
whether
it's
prefab
homes
or
tiny
homes
or
different
ways.
We
can
alternative
ways.
B
So
I
look
at
those
you
know
those
three
items
that
you
know
it's
kind
of
the
the
land,
because
that
gets
into
what
we
can
identify
all
the
barriers
are
in
land
development,
land
acquisition
that
we
could
focus
on
how
to
what
changes
we
can
make.
So
we
can
each
so,
as
a
committee,
we
can
take
these
three
items.
You
know
I
look
at
the
land,
the
building
and
the
connecting
with
people
and
how
we
can
create
actionable
items
off
of
those
create.
B
But
that's
you
know
so
this
is
I
you
know
we
don't
have
much
time
in
this
meeting,
but
I
just
I
just
want
to
kind
of
outline,
maybe
my
thoughts
behind
this
and
then,
if,
throughout
the
month
of
each
of
you
would
kind
of
look
at
that
and
then,
when
we
reconvene
next
month,
we
could
talk
about
what
subcommittees
to
create.
From
that
do
we
need
do.
B
We
need
a
separate
committee
for
land
and
separate
one
for
building,
or
do
we
combine
that
in
the
land
and
building
and
then
another
one
just
connecting,
but
I'd
like
you,
you
know
to
to
take
this
and
then,
let's
you
know
that's
my
my
background
on
this.
I
see
these.
These
are
the
the
steps
for
creating
affordable
housing
and
then
in
each
of
these
to
identify
the
barriers
and
where
we
can
collect
the
data
points
and
then
to
focus
on
those
with
actionable
items
that
subcommittees
can
have.
B
So
that's
my
you
know,
thought
behind
this
and
you
know
hoping
for
we've
got
to
get
to
public
comment,
but
I'm
open
to
if
any
anyone
has
any
questions
on
that
right
now
that
you
want
to
ask
before
we
kind
of
take
this,
take
this
into
thought
and
then
we'll
have
a
deeper
discussion
on
this
next
month.
D
F
Yeah
very,
I
think
this
does
a
really
good
job
breaking
down
the
sort
of
the
supply
side,
solutions
on
affordable
housing,
but
I
don't
want
us
to
get
locked
this
framework
is
the
demand
side
solutions
like
tenant-based
rental
assistance,
like
you
know,
obviously,
some
of
those
things
here
as
you're.
You
know
in
in
your
connect
heading,
but
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
you
know
to
to
be
considered
around
in
that
you
know
the
connecting
point
between
the
units
and
the
household
around.
F
You
know
whether
that's
tenant
education,
whether
that's
home,
ownership,
education,
financial
literacy,
you
know
credit
repair,
all
the
things
that
have
to
happen
in
order
to
make
that
an
effective
connection.
So
again,
maybe
it
all
lands
there
to
get
so
kind
of
boxed
into
a
production,
and
I'm
saying
that
as
a
reminder
to
myself
as
a
as
a
housing
developer,
to
not
get
so
locked
into
a
production
mindset
that
we
miss
those
supply
sides
for
affordable
housing.
B
Yeah,
no,
I
agree
and
yeah.
I
think
the
con,
like
the
connecting
it's
kind
of
it's
it's,
how
to
engage
on
the
the
those
who
need
and
those
who
can
provide
the
needs.
But
I
think
you
know
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
come
up
with.
You
know
a
work
plan
for
the
year
that
we
is
very
tired.
B
It's
much
more
targeted
than
it's
been
in
the
past
and
actually
has
some
actionables
on
it,
which
which
we
need,
which
we
need
so
badly,
but
I
think
you
know
so
what
I'd
ask
is
you
know
to
con
for
to?
We
can
make
this
as
a
editable
google
document.
I
think
that
way.
If
there's
ideas
we
want
to
add
on
to
it
and
then
we
can
next
next
meeting,
look
at
subcommittees.
B
We
can
create
or
where
each
of
you
would
want
to
take
a
lead
in
either
of
those
issues
and
then
yeah
how
to
expand
what
what
they
should
involve
or
if
there's
any
other
specific
items
that
we're
missing
on
that.
But
you
know
our
the
goal
is
to
create
from
really
actionable
items
that
we
can
focus
on.
As
a
committee
like
it's
literally
like
change
the
cottage
development,
so
the
duplexes
can
be
allowed.
B
You
know,
and
to
look
at
real
world
examples
that
are
that
are
hindering
development
and
how
we
can
get
through
get
through
that.
Any
other
questions
on
that.
D
B
Yeah
yeah:
I
look
forward
to
yeah
just
a
deeper
discussion
on
that
next
month
and
how
we
could
you
know,
look
to
create
some
actionables.
Let's
see.
J
So
but
barry
before
you
get
a
public
comment,
just
one
quick
thing
is
that
next
tuesday,
at
10
o'clock,
I
believe
it
is-
is
our
first
meeting
it's
what
you
would
call
like
a
pre-trc.
J
You
know
pre-technical
review
committee
that
developers
can
ask,
for
this
is
the
first
one
we're
really
focused
on
affordable
housing
with
an
affordable
housing,
infill
developer
with
the
challenges,
and
that's
with
ben
wright.
Who
did
the
presentation
a
bit
ago
so
very
excited
about
that.
First
meeting
we've
got
willing
departments
at
the
table
so
we're
going
to
see
what
kind
of
compromise
can
come
out
of
that
it's
kind
of
exciting.
G
Paul
margie
is,
is
that
available
to
the
public
to
listen
in
I
mean
typically,
I
go
to
trcs
when
we
used
to
be
in
person.
I
just
go
and
and
listen,
but
these.
J
B
G
B
Yeah,
I
think
this
is
just
a
pre-op.
It's
a
pre-app
meeting,
which
then
it
should
be.
The
the
documents
that
are
created
from
the
pre-app
meeting
will
be.
It
should
be
in
the
development
services
portal
as
something
that
the
public
can
review
after
the
meeting
has
happened,
but
this
is
kind
of
that.
It's
when
the
developer
has
that
opportunity
to
ask
those
questions
that
they'll
be
told
by
the
city,
know
in
so
many
things
and
then
how
we
can.
You
know
you
know
like
yeah.
B
No,
you
can't
do
duplexes
in
a
cottage
development
or
so
for
that,
but
the
results
from
that
will
should
be
public
on
the
development
services
portal.
J
And
I
can
follow
up
on
that
and
check
with
chris
collins
just
to
make
sure
what
the
protocol
is
on
all
that
kind
of
stuff
barry
about
people
attending
a
meeting,
ben
wright
who
is
just
super
transparent
about
stuffs
offered
to
he
didn't
mind
if
other
people
joined,
but
I've
certainly
got
to
check
with
the
other
chris
collins
in
them.
But
regardless
we'll
be
updating
you
all
on
february
4th,
if
not
sooner.
D
B
Great,
thank
you.
So
we
have
we
do.
We
do
have
three
public
comments
for
this
meeting:
public
comments
and
it'll
end
at
5
pm
the
day
before
the
meeting
people
can
email
in
or
record
your
or
record
over
the
telephone
number
provided.
These
were,
I
believe,
all
emailed
in
I'm
going
to,
because
I
I
read
those
is
that
right,
christina.
D
B
B
You
know
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
I
would
say
for
for
all
committees
that
there's
no
way
there's
no
opportunity,
there's
no
way
that
a
public
can
can
call
in
during
a
meeting
or
submit
comments
for
that
meeting,
that
it's
not
an
open
agenda
item
for
anything
even
for
a
council
meeting,
so
the
process
is
people
have
to
email
in
but
beforehand
the
day
before,
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
read:
read
what
we
have.
We
have
from
tracy
rosman
roseman
that
was
received
on
january
6th.
B
This
is
regarding
the
proposal
to
give
an
acre
of
city-owned
land
on
ashland
avenue
to
the
haywood
street
church
land
in
question
was
acquired
during
urban
renewal
in
the
late
1960s
after
forcibly
removing
the
families
who
owned
and
lived
on
that
land
some
since
the
mid-1940s,
the
land
was
designated
as
a
buffer
park
to
be
used
for
recreational
and
open
space
purposes.
B
However,
instead
of
creating
a
park
that
would
have
enriched
the
neighborhood
and
the
lives
of
residents,
the
land
was
left,
as
is
by
failing
to
act
for
nearly
50
years
on
its
intentions,
to
create
useful
open
space.
The
city
has
added
insult
to
the
injury
of
urban
renewal
and
compounded
its
culpability
to
remove
the
ashland
property
from
inclusion
in
the
reparations
resolution.
Discussions
is
wrong.
Please
do
not
move
forward
with
this
project.
B
B
You
know
for
attached
to
our
meeting
documents
christine
and
I
talked
about
ahead
of
time,
so
anyone
can
review
them
as
public
comments,
but
this
one
I'm
just
not
sure
if
I
should
read
someone's
email
out,
but
this
this
one
reads
going
into
the
year
2021
what
is
considered
quote:
affordable
housing
in
asheville
north
carolina.
B
Very
valid
question:
I
think
it's
something
where
you
know
we
brought
up
at
this
meeting
and
we'll
probably
discuss
in
the
future.
What
is
it
you
know?
What
is
the
what
it?
What
should
our
committee
be
focused
on?
Is
it
up
to
100,
or
should
we
not
go
up
to
100
the.
D
B
B
Those
were
public
comments
received.
Does
any
of
our
committee
have
comments
or
anything
they'd
like
to
add
or
say
about
those
public
comments.
C
I
would
like
to
speak
to
the
hayward
street
church
in
the
ashland
property,
and
I
just
have.
I
guess
I
got
a
question
for
paul
or
city
officials
that
are
on
here
now
has
so
it
has
been
approved,
or
are
we
at
the
position
where
we,
as
a
committee,
can
review
this
review?
The
public
comment,
look
into
it
and
kind
of
have
any
say.
Is
that
a
place
like
well?
Where
is
that
that
actual
conversation
or
that
process
that,
with
the
haywood
street
church
around
that
urban
renewal.
M
And
absolutely
I
can
take
that
question
hi
dawana!
This
is
nikki
reed
again
right
now
we
are
scheduled
for
city
council
to
review
the
proposed
land
sale
to
haywood
street
on
february
23rd,
so
that'll
be
coming
forward
for
a
council
vote.
At
that
time
the
hcd
committee
reviewed
it
in
november
and
provided
an
endorsement
at
a
2-1
vote
to
approve
that
sale
to
haywood
street.
However,
it
still
requires
full
council
approval
to
occur,
and
so
we
are.
C
H
C
H
C
But
the
and
and
like
doesn't
looking
at
those
city
on
properties
that
were
taken
through
urban
renewal
as
a
part
of
reparations
and
separating
that
list
out
and
getting
a
clearer
picture.
I
know
that
they
were
going
to
look
at
that
and
bring
that
back
to
us
a
list
of
what
that
looks
like
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
happened
at
a
meeting
that
I
didn't
attend.
C
M
That's
being
worked
on
actively
right
now
and
we're
hoping
to
get
that
published
as
soon
as
we
can
some
properties,
it's
very
clear
of
of
that
lineage
in
terms
of
of
it
being
bought
through
that
urban
renewal
program,
others
it's
a
little
more
unclear,
and
so
we're
just
wanting
to
be
above
board
about
that
and
be
clear
about
what
properties
that
we
know
came
through
urban
renewal
and
what
that
we
may
have
questions
on.
It
is
clear,
however,
that
this
site
did
come
through
urban
renewal.
M
Some
research
that
was
provided
by
patrick
balls
did
also
share
with
us
the
details
of
that
and
we're,
including
that
information
on
the
city's
website,
so
that
it's
transparent
in
terms
of
of
how
that
property
came
to
be
now
with
respect
to
haywood
street.
There
have
been
conversations
about
their
desire
to
build
affordable
housing
in
this
area
that
predated
the
decision
to
postpone
the
sale
of
city
properties
related
to
urban
renewal.
So
that's
why
it
was
exempted
from
from
that
decision.
C
C
It
was
taken
through
urban
renewal,
regardless
of
the
like,
and
so
I'm
just
dealing
with
a
lot
of
those
questions
and
concerns,
and
my
role
in
the
many
hats
that
I
play
within
the
community.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
I
understand
and
what's
going
on
with
it,
so
it
hasn't
been
approved
by
this
by
city
council,
yet
that's
february,
but
it
has
been
approved
by
hcd
2-1,
all
right,
yeah.
D
J
Quickly,
here
is
a
if
you
would
like
nikki,
you
know
when
the
project
page
is
approved
and
up.
We
can
share
that
through
the
community
development
listserv.
If
that
works,
for
everybody
as
an
outreach
opportunity,
brian,
I'm
sure,
okay
I'll,
do
that.
B
Great
all
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
You
know
it's
public
public
comments
are
such
an
important
part
of
of
you
know
our
committee
and
what
we
do
and-
and
you
know
I'm
glad-
we
had
some
comments
this
time
and
I'm
glad
it
opened
up
a
little
bit
of
a
discussion.
That's
so
important
and
thank
you.
I
also
want
to
make
a
special
note,
for
you
know,
with
with
the
the
way
the
zoom
is.
You
know
right
now.
B
I
only
see
so
many
faces
on
our
meeting
and
that
you
know
when
we
did
the
roll
call
I
did.
I
did
not
mention
that
that
our
our
new
council
rep,
councilwoman
mosley,
is
on
has
joined
us,
and
I
I
thank
her
for
that,
and
I
really
look
forward
to
her
participation
in
our
in
our
committees
and-
and
I
believe
you
you
you
counseling
mosley-
are
also
on
hcd
seat.
B
Look
great
well
yeah!
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
and-
and
I
look
forward
to
having
having
a
you
know,
good
relationship
with
you
know
and
with
with
you
and
also
with
with
having
like
having
you
engaged
with
with
our
committee
and
affordable
housing
needs.
So
thank
you.
J
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you:
is
it
possible?
I
don't
know
how
this
would
work,
but
if
we
did,
if
I'm
able
to
get
out
the
dpa
draft
staff
report
or
the
change,
it
might
not
be
the
whole
staff
report,
but
I
might
make
it
really
small
and
focus
on
the
changes.
J
If
I
was
able
to
get
those
out,
I
don't
know
if
we
could
have
a
you
know.
Quick
emergency
meeting
christina
knows
better
than
me
about
that
perhaps
but
christina
and
I
can
talk,
but
I'm
shockingly
wide
open
wednesday
morning.
I
didn't
know
if
everyone
else
had
a
chance,
while
we
were
on
this
call
to
look
at
their
calendars.
So
if
we
just
needed
to
hold
some
time
I.e,
there
is
concerns
questions.
People
want
to
have
their
voices
heard,
etc.
I
don't
know
how
that
works.
J
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
with
working
with
all
this
virtual
public
comment
making
that
all
happen,
but
I
wanted
to
at
least
throw
that
out
there
and
get
a
quick
poll
from
folks
who
maybe
have
some
time
an
hour
on
wednesday
january.
13Th
am
8
30
9
a.m.
For
one
hour,
you
want
to
know
barry
if
you
want
to
do
a
show
of
hands
or
something
or
yeah.
B
I
mean
I'd
say
we
can
go
that
route
or
or
yeah.
It
sounds
like
it
looks
like
there's
there's
interest
in
that
the
other
one
is
to
make
sure,
and
I
think
I
will
make
yeah
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
just
available
for
a
slot
to
discuss
with
hdd.
You
know
at
the
meeting
because
you,
but
but
if
it
sounds
like,
I
guess,
let's
just
say
some
thumbs
up
hands
up.
If
if
we
want
to
have
a
special
meeting
ahead
of
time
on
that.
J
J
B
H
B
B
All
right
well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
paul.
Thank
you.
Everybody
anything
else
before
we
adjourn
it's,
not.
Okay!
I'll
now
adjourn
the
meeting
unless
there's
any
objections
so
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much.