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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Commission – March 1, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Planning & Zoning Commission.
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B
C
Good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
March
1st
2023
meeting
of
the
city
of
Asheville's
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
will
hear
a
public
comment
on
items
which
are
listed
on
the
agenda.
We
also
do
still
take
email
comments
through
the
avlpcc
at
publicinput.com
or
voicemail
comments
as
well.
We
will
begin
tonight's
meeting
with
roll
call,
Mr
pumpquist,
chair.
F
C
You
first
thing
on
tonight's
agenda
would
be
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
previous
February
1st
meeting
any
comments.
C
C
Next
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
zoning
map
Amendment
as
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
property
located
at
283
Merriman
Avenue
from
institutional
and
residential
multi-family,
medium
density
to
institutional
and
institutional
conditional,
Zone
properties
identified
as
pin
9649-359489
in
the
Buncombe
County
tax
record
property
owner
is
Brookstone,
Baptist
Church
and
the
contact
is
John
spake
planner
coordinating
review
is
Will
Palmquist.
Thank.
D
As
you
can
see
here
on
the
aerial
imagery,
the
property
consists
of
a
church
building
with
adjacent
one
and
three-story
building
additions
to
the
South,
a
large
parking
lot
to
the
north
in
the
east,
in
a
small,
a
small
single-family
residential
type
building
on
the
corn
Southeast
corner
of
the
site
at
Annadale
Avenue.
D
D
The
future
land
use,
as
shown
in
living
Asheville
comprehensive
plan,
is
a
combination
of
traditional
Corridor
and
traditional
neighborhood,
and
that
geography
kind
of
lines
lines
up
really
well
with
the
existing
zoning.
Today,
no
change
in
that
designation
is
recommended
by
staff,
so
essentially,
the
the
site
plan
associated
with
this
conditional
zoning
is
relatively
minimal.
D
D
Essentially,
the
condition
associated
with
the
rezoning
would
be
that
the
property
can
only
be
used
for
parking
and
then
limited
use
at
that
existing
one-story
Residential
Building,
located
at
the
southern
portion
of
that
rm8
zoned
portion
of
land.
There
are
no
construction
plans
associated
with
the
conditional
zoning.
The
New
Uses
on
the
site
would
presumably
be
done
as
a
buy
right
development
once
this
new
zoning
is
in
place.
D
So
this
is
kind
of
the
main
condition,
as
mentioned
for
this
conditional
zoning,
which
is
that
that
section
of
the
property
use
would
be
limited
to
surface
parking
to
serve
other
uses
on
the
property.
With
the
exception
of
that
existing
one-store
residential
structure,
which
could
be
which
shall
be
permitted
for
the
following
uses,
which
are
allowed
in
the
institutional
zoning
district
and
we've
kind
of
picked
out
specific
uses.
That
would
be
appropriate.
D
Neighborhood
centers,
so
staff
felt
that
the
limited
number
of
uses
on
that
one
one-story
Residential
Building
to
be
rezoned,
which
is
in
the
traditional
neighborhood,
would
be
appropriate
given
current
context
of
the
site,
but
that
amending
the
future
land
use
met
might
lead
to
more
problems
down
the
road
so
keeping
it
as
traditional
neighborhood
kind
of
sets.
The
direction
that
you
know
in
the
future
uses
should
be
oriented
towards
a
residential,
neighborhood
type
use
with
some
exceptions.
D
D
C
Thank
you,
Mr
Palmquist.
Excuse
me
any
questions
from
commission
members
for
Mr
Palmquist.
J
J
Building
probably
be
somewhat
similar
to
what
we
did
with
this
historic
Biltmore
school,
where
we
repurposed
that
that
building
for
office
use
and
we're
just
looking
at
at
this
back
piece
as
a
as
a
CZ
to
allow
the
the
parking
that
was
allowed
when
it
was
a
church
in
the
in
the
in
the
rm8
to
be
able
to
be
continued
to
be
used
as
parking
for
the
future
use.
So
any
questions
you
have
I'll
try
to
answer.
K
J
We
again
we
no,
they
haven't,
we
haven't,
we
haven't
nailed
down
exactly
who's,
going
to
go
in
there
or
or
what
the
what
the
specific
uses
would
be
again
when
we
did
Biltmore
school,
we
kind
of
did
some
preliminary
plans
got
some
folks
interested
and
then
decided
how
far
to
take
it,
and
we
would
do
something
similar
here.
It
could
just
be
a
completely
interior
up
fit.
It
could
include
adding
a
life
safety
Tower
and
making
some
minor
modifications
to
the
exterior
I
think
that's
probably
about
as
far
as
it
would
go.
J
C
Sorry
I
was
just
trying
to
pull
something
up
here,
kind
of
it's
a
two.
It's
a
mainly
one
story,
if
not
two-story
correct.
B
B
J
That
sits
right
on
the
corner
and
then
there's
a
little
closer.
J
An
odd
little
one-story
ramp
thing
in
between
that
and
the
sanctuary,
there's
the
sanctuary
piece
and
then
behind
the
sanctuary
in
the
three-story
there's
a
one-story
piece,
so
the
most
that
we
would
be
looking
at
doing
is
like
some
kind
of
Life
Safety
Tower,
where
that
ramp
piece
is
right
now
in
the
middle,
to
kind
of
join
everything
together.
Okay,.
C
C
J
There
is
wondering
so
anything
will
be
enough.
Yeah
there's
enough
from
from
what
I've
seen
and
done
in
just
preliminary
sketches
again,
we
don't
have
anything
done
on
on
that
right
now.
That
would
be
considered
a
change
of
use
when
we
do
that,
and
so
anything
that
we
did
in
the
existing
parking
would
have
to
meet
current
standards
and
guidelines.
So
you
know
we
would
have
to
go
through
and
make
sure
that
that
had
the
appropriate
particular
use
area,
Landscaping
trees,
so
on
so
forth
sure.
J
Kind
of
get
this
yeah
that
that's
part
of
the
that's
part
of.
If,
if
that
can't
happen,
it's
part
of
the
entitlement
for
the
seller,
so
Brookstone
is
the
seller.
Spake
is
representing
John
spake,
it's
representing
a
a
group,
that's
looking
at
this,
and
so
they
want
to
make
sure
that
it
would
be
entitled
that
they
would
be
allowed
to
continue
to
use
that
that
parking,
so
I
believe
if
I
remember
correctly,
that
parking
was
bought
by
the
church
back
in
the
80s
somewhere
around.
J
Then
that
was
before
my
time
attending
Merriman
Avenue,
but
it
was
it's
been
parking
for
a
long
time.
It's
got
all
the
buffers
and
everything
installed,
so
it
actually,
you
know,
suits
it,
but
that
wasn't
allowed
use
within
their
that
residential
residential
zone.
J
So
there
was
no
need
to
change
the
underlying
zoning
at
the
time,
but
once
it
goes
to
an
Institutional
use,
we
just
would
need
to
make
sure
that
they
could
continue
to
use
that,
for
the
institutional
use
for
the
for
the
main,
the
main
portion
of
the
of
the
building.
C
J
No
I
don't
once
once
we
go
in
and
no
and
when
I've
done
the
preliminary
stuff,
there's
actually
a
fair
amount
of
area
in
the
existing
building,
and
once
you
go
in
and
you
do,
especially
if
vanilla
and
the
rest
of
us
are
successful
with
the
Landscaping
Soul
volume
stuff
that
we're
looking
at
by
the
time.
We
do
all
that
and
you
get
the
street
tree
the
street
trees
and
you
get
the
all
the
tree
of
the
Landscaping.
That
would
be
required.
J
We're
going
to
lose
some
parks
in
the
main
field
which
it
kind
of
needs
to,
and
we
would
need
those
parking
spaces
and
actually
that
lower
piece
is
done
to
a
higher
standard
in
terms
of
the
Landscaping
than
the
upper
piece.
And
so
that
piece
is
actually
pretty
good.
C
L
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
what's
going
on
here,
because
you're
not
getting
told,
and
it's
and
I
guess
a
little
history.
Brookstone
church
has
done
a
big
damage
to
the
neighborhood
years
and
years
ago.
I'd
have
no
idea
how
many
houses
are
missing
on
Merriman
and
Annandale,
but
you
can
still
see
their
sidewalks
and
stairs
going
up
to
them.
But
then
you
know
in
the
80s
they
went
on
a
big
Conquest
and
bought
17.
L
That
was
a
big
loss
of
historic
houses.
Affordable
housing,
the
neighborhood
I
mean
the
architect
thinks.
Oh,
we
got
this
great,
mature
buffering,
but
what
we're
looking
at
is
a
a
wall
with
graffiti
that
never
gets
cleaned
a
fence
on
top
of
it.
Yes,
the
trees
are
mature
now,
but
what's
lost
is
25
arts
and
crafts
houses
matching
the
other
side
of
the
street.
L
The
zoning
is
absolutely
appropriate.
It's
even
the
topography.
It's
like
Merriman
commercial
gets
up
at
the
Cresta.
Hill
comes
down
rma8
on
the
back
quiet
neighborhood,
that's
absolutely
correct!
The
mistake
was
Brookstone
coming
and
destroying
the
neighborhood
and
they're
a
church
and
they're
allowed
to
do
that
now.
I
think
here's
your
chance
to
correct
this
mistake,
let's
not
repeat
it,
and
also
I'm
a
realtor
and
I.
Think,
okay,
that
RMA
land
there's
like
a
million
dollars
of
lots
there
for
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
parking
lot.
What
what
is
it?
You
know?
L
I,
don't
understand
it.
So
I
counted
the
parking
spaces
that
they
have
without
the
blue
area.
It's
150
spaces,
15
more
on
the
street
165
spaces.
You
take
the
building,
29
000
square
feet,
get
rid
of
bathrooms
hallways
divide
that
by
165
cars
assuming
one
car
one
person,
it's
130
square
feet,
so
they
don't
need
the
blue
lot,
but
I
think
they
do
for
whatever
they're
not.
L
I
Frank
Dozier
a
musicians
Workshop
around
the
corner
down
there,
so
this
doesn't
infringe
on
my
property,
but
I
know
the
neighbors
I've
seen
the
whole
neighborhood
I've
been
here.
My
whole
life
got
55
years
in
there
and
I'm
just
suspicious.
What's
going
on,
I
think
that's
where
he's
alluding
to
I
unders.
My
understanding
is
that
Ingles
is
buying
it
to
keep
publics
out,
maybe
that's
scuttlebutt,
but
that
comes
from
some
very
good
sources.
So
what
it's
going
to
go
in
here?
After
all,
this
goes
together
and
is
approved
and
it's
unified.
I
And
I'm
just
very
suspicious
what
what
is
what
is
the
work
going
on
here
and
I'm
concerned
about
the
the
residences?
I
walk,
my
dogs
from
work
up
around
behind
there
all
the
way
around
loop
around
the
whole
block,
and
it
could
be
a
nice
residential
area,
but
that
parking
lot
hasn't
been
anybody's
friend
and
I.
Don't
see
why
it
just
doesn't
make
sense.
Annoying
thing
is
I,
don't
think
it's
all
up
above
board.
I
That's
the
thing
if
it
was
all
spread
out,
here's
what
we're
really
really
going
to
do,
but
I've
seen
this
happen
before
in
the
city
in
the
last
10
years,
and
it
just
needs
to
be
it
should
be
brought
up
brought
to
light.
B
M
Hello:
everyone,
my
name,
is
Craig
Justice
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
seller
and
the
buyer.
Do.
M
I
I
I
just
want
to
represent
someone,
that's
not
that
you
perceive
to
be
good
everyone's
good
I,
just
all
right,
so
I
do
think
it's
important
to
remind
everybody
about
the
map
here
that
that
shows
the
current
existing
zoning
of
these
properties.
M
Okay,
flip
the
air
to
the
left.
Look
at
that:
okay.
I
B
M
M
If
this
change
is
not
allowed
in
knowing
that
the
church
is
going
to
re-adapt,
that
building
is
going
to
re-adapt
to
the
things
allowed
as
of
right
in
institutional
you're,
going
to
have
the
property
within
consistent
uses,
one
piece
that
will
have
inconsistent
uses
and,
in
fact,
you're
going
to
paint
the
back
piece
into
a
corner
so
that
it
could
only
be
used
for
parking
for
itself.
M
I'm
not
even
sure
how
it
would
be
parking
anymore,
because
it
would
no
longer
be
serving
the
front
piece,
that's
being
re-adapted,
and
so
it
would
be
forced
to
have
to
have
a
house
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
understand
the
gentleman
saying
you
know
it's
in
the
1980s.
Things
happened
and
we
didn't
like
how
it
happened.
M
This
is
a
parking
lot.
That's
been
in
place
for
30
40
years,
we're
asking
for
it
to
be
a
parking
lot.
The
magic
about
well,
what's
going
to
be
used
for
are
in
the
conditions.
So,
if
you
pull
up
the
conditions,
is
that
this
way?
M
So
those
are
the
conditions.
So,
even
though
the
the
rest
of
the
property
is
zoned
institutional,
which
will
allow
a
list
of
things,
this
piece
of
property
ends,
that's
being
rezoned.
We're
asking
to
be
rezoned
is
limited
into
how
it
can
be
used,
and
even
when
you
look
at
the
future
land
use
plan,
when
it
talks
about
traditional
neighborhoods,
it
acknowledges
that
there
can
be
limited
commercial
in
those
neighborhoods
if
they
are
akin
to
Neighborhood
centers.
M
And
so
what
staff
had
had
done
in
working
with
the
applicant
was
to
limit
the
uses
such
that
you
had
things
that
folks
in
the
neighborhood
might
walk
to
and
enjoy,
and
it's
a
very
limited
use.
So
that's
exactly
what
can
be
happening
on
this
piece
of
property
in
terms
of
parking
for
those
things
not
for
everything,
but
just
for
those
things
and
as
Brian
had
mentioned
more
than
likely
we're
talking
about
predominantly
in
office
use.
C
C
The
question
that
I
posed-
because
this
has
come
up
before
with
Parcels
split
Zone
single
Parcels.
We
have
I've
seen
a
lot
of
these
in
five
and
a
half
years
now
of
trying
to
get
them
back
to
the
same.
Zoning
completely
agree
with
95
of
them,
probably
the
ones
that
include
taking
residentially
zoned
Parcels
out
of
residentially
zoned
zoning
are
the
ones
that
bother
me.
Yes,
you.
C
I'm
not
through
the
entire
table,
but
you
can
have
pretty
much
everything
I
think
except
townhouses
and
institutional,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
so
you
could
still
have
residential
uses
in
institutional.
The
problem
is,
you
can
have
things
that
are
allowed
and
institutional
now
would
be
able
to
be
allowed
on
Henrietta
Street,
which
is
not
where
we
want
them.
C
I
get
the
reasoning
behind
wanting
to
rezone
this,
so
that
it
is
one
parcel
that
has
consistent
zoning
where
I
come
to
is.
Can
that
building
be
adaptively
reused
with
the
existing
excluding
this
parking
on
this
little
piece
that
we're
talking
about
that's
RNA
using
the
parking
lot?
That's
already
there.
If
we
change
the
minimum
parking
standards,
that's
right,
I
said
it
it,
and
or
is
there
another
way
to
say?
Yes,
we
will
allow
you
to
use
parking
on
this
lot.
For,
however
long
we
realize
that
this
is
an
inconsistency
that
has
existed
pre.
C
What
1992,
when
the
Udo
went
into
effect?
Is
there
some
other
way
around
this
because
I
just
don't
like
the
idea
right
now.
I
would
vote
against
this
because
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
taking
away
more
residentially
zoned
property,
knowing
that
doing
that
allows
uses
to
be
allowed
by
right
on
Henrietta
that
really
aren't
in
keeping
with
neighborhoods
I
understand
what
the
conditions
say.
There
needs
to
be
another
way
of
even
this.
That's
where.
F
Yeah
and
I
think
to
add
to
that
I
think
absent
a
site
plan
kind
of
showing
typically,
our
conditional
zonings,
are
accompanied
by
a
site
plan,
with
a
specific
use
that
you
know
can
go
through
a
public
comment.
So
we're
we're
kind
of
being
asked
to
do
something
in
advance
of
that
and
it
doesn't
really
clean
up
the
split
zoning.
It's
creating
a
split
institutional
institutional
CZ,
but
then
retaining
the
future
land
use
map
split.
F
So
it
kind
of
takes
a
messy
situation
and
doesn't
really
resolve
it,
except
to
provide
some
comfort
to
the
property
owner
on
a
sale,
I'm
kind
of
wondering,
if
that's
our
job,
to
provide
that
Comfort
level
rather
than
entertain.
A
sort
of
to
you
know,
use
the
the
comments
from
the
public
and
above
board.
You
know
site
plan
approval
under
conditional
zoning,
so
I
kind
of
yeah
I
would
agree
with
the
chair
and.
C
You
know
I
just
I,
think
in
looking
at
the
re,
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
that
I
mean
we've
got
a
we've,
got
a
sanctuary.
Building
and
and
I've
worked
on
some
projects
where
old
sanctuaries
have
been
adaptively
reused
right,
you
can
use
those
but
to
effectively
reuse
a
space
that
is
this
height,
if
not
more,
that
really
wasn't
designed
for
much
other
than
an
assembly.
Use
really
becomes
difficult.
G
C
Think,
as
commissioner
Barton
just
mentioned,
without
a
plan,
it's
also
hard
to
say.
Yes,
this
makes
sense,
and
again
just
for
me
personally
to
take
away
that
residential
is,
is
knowing
that
again.
Other
things
then
could
go
into
there.
If
we
say
it's
an
Institutional,
because
you
could
come
back
and
say
you
know
what
now
that.
C
D
B
D
We
clean
up
that
vagueness,
it's
gonna,
have
one
person
interpret
it
one
way
and
then
five
years
later
interpret
it
a
different
way,
so
that
would
be
a
benefit
of
the
rezoning
absent
of
the
rezoning.
It
would
also
also
mean
that
existing
residential
structure
on
inner
Veil
would
be
limited
in
the
uses
that
could
happen
in
that
building
as
well.
My
understandings
of
the
building
is
somewhat
stripped
of
any
residential
type
amenities
like
kitchens
or
full
bathrooms.
G
C
D
Used
for
the
other
portions
of
the
of
the
office
uses,
but
that
existing
one-story
house
on
Annandale
would
would
have
to
then
then
definitely
could
comply
with
the
rma8.
K
N
K
N
Clinics
financials
I
mean
you're,
pretty
much
saying
it's
not
going
to
be
a
parking
deck
I
mean
that
that's
a
pretty
Broad
rezoning
and
I'm,
just
nervous
to
which
I've
I
believe
you're
doing
it.
Out
of
goodness
I,
don't
I,
don't
think.
There's
any
malice
in
there.
I
just
feel
like
it's
a
very
broad
rezoning
for
something
that
we
don't
have
a.
J
I'm
I'm
either
really
confused
I,
don't
understand
the
conditions,
I
I,
believe
the
application
and
that
the
condition
is
that
the
parking
has
to
stay
parking.
The
parking
lot
cannot
be
used
for
anything
other
than
parking
in
this
CZ.
It's
only
the
the
little
bitty
building
the
that
could
be
used
for
residential
daycare
office,
Clinic,
Financial,
Health
and
Fitness
Studio
Gallery
Workshop.
That's
the
but
there's
there's
no
other
use
okay
proposed
for
the
existing
parking
area
other
than
parking
and
only
to
serve
the
exist.
The
existing
institutional
use
that
okay.
N
C
Yes
and
that's
the
way,
I
understand
it
as
well.
Okay,
okay,
thank
you,
yeah
again
to
me.
It's
it
is
still
taking
away
while
again
residential
use
uses
are
allowed
in
institutional.
We
are
still
taking
away
land
that
currently
is
owned
residential
that
really
we
want
to
stay
residential
as
this
buffer
from
Merriman
back
into
a
neighborhood
and
and
turning
it
into
something
that,
while
it
has
this
condition
now,
that's
not
to
say
that,
oh
now
that
we
have
this
combined
parcel
is
institutional
and
institutional
CZ.
C
Let's
come
up
with
three
years
down
the
road,
a
developer
comes
in
and
says:
well
now
we
have
this
one
parcel.
That's
on
this
we're
going
to
do
something
we're
now
going
to
rezone
it
to
something
else,
and
it's
all
this
one
parcel
and
see
we
want
it
as
this
and
we've
already
started
that
slide.
Does
that
make
sense,
you
know
we've
already
taken
it
away
from
the
resident.
It's
never
going
to
go
back
to
residential
once
we
do.
This
is
where
I'm
going.
M
At
well
I'm
with
Brian,
so
whatever
Brian
was
exactly
so
conditional.
Zoning
is
inherently
suited
for
areas
that
are
in
transition
so
that
you
can
limit
it
like
in
this
case.
This
is
surface
Park
only
and
it's
limited
to
the
things
listed
on
there.
So
you
see
exactly
what
it's
limited
for
So
when
you
say
we're.
C
M
To
that
conditionals
then,
so,
if
you're
concerned
is
what
that
structure,
one
small
structure
can
be
utilized
for
then
I
would
respectfully
ask
that
you
parsed
that
out,
because
we're
talking
about
two
different
uses
here,
we're
talking
about
a
service
part
we're
talking
about
basically
what's
existing
there
as
a
parking
lot
and
then
this
structure.
M
So
if
your
concern
is
about
the
structure,
we
would
ask
that
you
parse
that
out
as
the
concern,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
the
when
I
showed
that
graphic
about
institution-
you
know
institution
has
been
a
a
predominant
land
use
in
that
particular
area
for
quite
some
time.
So
this
is
not
a
situation
where
there's
some
new
use
out
there
that
hasn't
existed
or
been
zoned.
That
way,
it's
been
there
for
quite
some
time.
M
So
the
concern
that
we
have
is,
if
you're
saying
well,
we
don't
want
to
change
residential
to
anything
else.
Then
you're
relegating
a
lot
of
properties
around
here
that
are
On
The
Fringe
to
exactly
what
it
is
and
there's
no
change
that
can
happen
and,
and
that
would
sort
of
defeat
the
whole
purpose
of
conditional
zoning
to
ask
in
these
buffer
areas
these
transition
areas
for
a
little
bit
of
a
difference,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
all
we're
asking
is
right.
M
M
C
C
E
I
put
them
under
at
least
a
bit:
okay,
okay,
I
have
a
question,
so
it
says,
like
the
conditional
zoning
will
be
valid
for
two
years
from
the
date
of
approval
from
city
council.
So,
if
they're
not
able
to
obtain
building
permits
within
the
24-month
period,
do
they
need
to
come
back
here
and
okay
and
then
like
will
they
be
able
to
ask
for
a
different
conditional
zoning
permit,
like
let's
say,
let's
say
that
they
do
want
to
that.
E
The
Ingles
story
is
true
and
they
do
want
to
put
it
English
there
do
they
need
to
come
back
and
they
would
have
to
ask
for
a
new
zoning.
So
this
could
basically
be
this.
This
could
be
like
a
falsity
and
then
like
into
we
approve
it
and
then,
like
two
years
they
come
back
and
I'm
just
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
what's
going
on
here.
E
B
A
It
expires,
then
it
would
have
to
be
go.
Reverted
back
to
the
original
zoning
and
they'd
have
to
come
back
with
an
application
for
another.
You
know
whatever
another
proposal
or
the
alternative
is
they
do
move
forward
or
enough
to
lock
in
this
CZ
and
then,
as
chair
Archibald
was
saying
if
at
some
point
they
might
come
along
and
ask
for
a
different
CZ
and
go
through
a
different
process,
and
then,
at
that
time,
that
board
came
away
and
other.
C
C
Know
part
of
your
comment
there.
You
know
I
I,
don't
speculate
when
people
come
in
on
anything
and
so
again
for
me-
and
this
is
again
a
personal
thing.
After
five
and
a
half
years
of
seeing
these
I
have
a
really
hard
time
taking
away
residential
zoning
from
Parcels.
That
I
feel
like
feel
like
the
community
wishes
to
see
residentially
zoned.
That
is
my
position.
That
is
not
the
position
of
the
other
six
people
here.
H
H
H
Instead
of
conditional
zoning
is
there
any
way
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
to
what
the
ramifications
of
that
is
why
someone
would
choose
one
way
and
not
the
other.
K
Mr,
chair
and
Miss
Vice
chair
I
mean
equals
public
comment
before
we
go
into
it.
I
did
oh.
Okay,
sorry,
never
mind
nope.
B
D
You
know
some
some
properties
choose
to
do
a
straight
rezoning
like
the
couple
last
month,
and
that
typically
is
a
broader
array
of
things
you
can
do
with
the
property.
If
you
change
the
base,
zoning
since
conditional
zonings
can
be
very
specific
about.
L
D
You
know
oftentimes
initial
zonings,
give
more
certainty
about
the
future
for
a
site,
whereas
changing
the
base,
zoning
can
leave
a
property
open
for
any
number
of
things,
assuming
that
they
can
meet
the
zoning.
So
in
some
some
cases
it's
appropriate
like
last
month's
meeting,
where
it
was
changing
it
from
institutional
to
residential
or
changing
a
split
zone
property
to
to
just
one
zoning
District.
D
My
understanding
is
that
the
applicant
was
proposing
a
conditional
zoning
in
this
case,
instead
of
a
straight
rezoning
to
ensure
that
the
parking
lot
would
remain
as
is
and
limited
number
of
uses
at
that
existing
residential
structure
on
Annandale.
So
to
assuage
concerns,
because
if
it
was
proposed
to
be
a
straight
resulting
to
institutional
without
a
conditional
zoning
attached,
then
it
would
presumably
be
able
to
do
anything
allowed
in
the
institutional
zone.
So
the
reason
it's
conditional,
even
though
the
site
plans
are
fairly
limited,
is
to
limit
the
future
of
that.
D
Currently,
our
eight
zoned
property
for
for
peace
of
mind
for
the
the
residents
nearby
for
decision
makers,
Etc.
C
I
said
it
was
going
to
be
quiet.
I
will
make
one
try
to
make
this.
The
very
last
time
I
do
appreciate
the
fact
that
they
have
been
very,
very
narrow,
with
I
think
that
is
a
benefit.
That's
Mr
Palmquist
said
with
this
one,
as
opposed
to
a
straight
rezone
and
I.
Do
appreciate
that
again.
This
is
just
that
like
to.
B
D
Maybe
you
could
always
yes
make
a
motion
and
the
person
making
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
vote
for
it
contribute
yes,
I.
G
C
H
C
All
those
opposed
amen.
The
motion
fails
six
to
one.
C
D
It's
currently
scheduled
for
city
council
review
on
March
28th
I.
B
C
C
J
Is
that
the
apologize
yeah
is
that
is
that
the
main
thing
that
you,
if
you
had
like
a
proposed
site
plan
again,
this
is
a
proposed
site
plan-
would
lock
us
into
a
CZ.
But
if
that
is
that,
is
that
what
the.
C
Speaking
personally,
yes,
that
would
that
would
help
a
lot
with
this
I
mean
again
we're
talking
about
a
you
know.
For
me,
it's
several
things,
I
think
any
kind
of
adapter
we're
used
to
this
I
think
there's
a
way
for
us
as
a
CZ
to
say:
there's
plenty
of
parking
already
existing
there
we're
on
a
Transit
Corridor.
There's
a
lot
of
Neighborhood
use
a
lot
of
residential
uses
around
it.
C
That
could
support
various
different
kinds
of
adaptive,
reuses
in
that
which
wouldn't
require
parking,
I
think
there's
a
way
to
completely
redevelop
this
site
and
make
actually
a
parking
less
than
what
there
is
now
and
including
keeping
that
RMA
and
having
it
be
housing.
So
again
that
this
is
a
personal
thing,
I
think
it's
the
same
idea
of
a
Way
Forward
would
certainly
be
better
than
just
saying.
C
N
B
E
My
fellow
commissioner
said:
you
know
the
church
is
different.
Why
are
you
going
to
put
a
health
center
in
this
spot
of
the
charge,
while
you're
going
to
put
a
daycare
center
in
the
spot
of
the
church
like
we
need
to
know
exactly
where
you're
going
there
because
we
represent
what's
going
on
in
Asheville?
So
when
something
goes
up
in
town,
people
are
asking
us.
Why
did
you
put
that
there
so.
C
Moving
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
we
have
a
zoning
text
Amendment.
It
is
a
request
to
consider
a
proposed
zoning
text,
amendment
to
chapter
7
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
revise
neighborhood
meeting
requirements
for
level
two
projects.
Major
subdivisions
and
conditional
zonings
planar
coordinating
review
is
Chris.
Collins
welcome,
Mr
Collins,
it's
been
a
while
since
I
think
we've.
O
Seen
you
here,
yeah,
probably
2020.,
so
yeah
a
little
bit
a
little
bit's
happened
since
then,
but
good
to
see
everyone
tonight,
as
was
stated,
I'm
Chris,
Collins
I'm,
the
plan
development
major
with
development
services,
here
with
the
city
of
Asheville
and
I'm,
going
to
take
you
through
some
proposed
zoning
text,
amendments
to
Udo
that
are
designed
to
strengthen
and
clarify
our
requirements
for
pre-application
Community
meetings
that
are
held
by
developers
seeking
approval
of
a
level
two
major
subdivision
level.
Three
or
conditional
zoning
project.
O
So
right
now
we
have
some
very
General
code
language
that
simply
says
notify
everyone
within
200
feet,
give
those
people
10
days
notice
and
hold
a
meeting
before
those
applications
that
I
referenced
before
so
we're
looking
to
replace
that
very
general
code,
language
with
some
specific
requirements
and
parameters
for
these
meetings
and
City
staff
have
been
working
for
quite
a
while
now,
since
probably
going
on
a
year
on
trying
to
land
on
some
recommendations
with
members
of
the
Coalition
of
Asheville
neighborhoods,
the
development
customer
Advisory
Group
and
some
with
the
county
Legacy
neighborhoods
coalition
to
try
and
reach
out
to
cover
most
of
our
bases.
B
O
O
So
when
a
developer
looks
to
seeks
to
apply
for
one
of
those
mentioned
projects
level,
two
level,
three
conditional
zoning
or
major
subdivision,
their
first
step
is
to
hold
this
community
meeting
and
their
first
step.
There
is
to
find
out
who
are
all
eye
Property
Owners
within
200
feet.
Those
people
have
to
be
notified
of
this
meeting.
O
O
We
have
many
conversations
with
the
neighbors.
We
worked
with
who
some
would
like
to
see
that
go
to
600p
or
700
feet,
but
we
also
counterbalance
that
with
some
other
folks.
We
work
with
as
well
and
tried
to
come
to
a
happy
median
and
effective
process.
Third
bullet
you'll
see
on
that
slide.
Central
Business
District
zone
properties
are
proposed
to
remain
at
a
200
foot.
Radius
I
will
have
a
whole
slide
to
tell
you
about
why
that
is
in
just
a
few
moments.
O
O
For
some
other
requirements
right
now,
like
I,
said
it's
very
general
in
the
ordinance
right
now.
So
a
lot
of
the
bullets
you're
going
to
see
saying
what
our
current
regulations
right
now
are
going
to
say
no
specific
requirements,
but
just
for
comparison's
sake,
location
and
time
of
the
meeting.
Right
now
the
code
says
location
and
time
designed
to
allow
interested
neighbors
to
attend.
O
That's
a
pretty
subjective
thing
for
staff
to
enforce
and
you'll
see.
We
haven't
really
solved
that
one,
but
it
is
there
registration
of
the
meeting,
letting
the
city
know
it's
happening.
There
are
no
requirements,
format
for
signage
and
mailed
notice.
There
are
no
specific
requirements
for
those
items
right
now,
reporting
of
the
meeting
City
staff,
our
our
staff.
O
Right
now
we
get
anything
from
a
handwritten
two
sentence,
summary
to
beautiful
detailed
minutes
just
depending
on
who's,
doing
it
and
format
and
best
practices
of
the
meeting
we've
had
meetings
held
that
have
been
brilliant
presentations,
showing
exactly
what
they
want
to
do.
We've
had
meetings
help
with
our
neighbors
that
have
not
even
had
a
site
plan
or
any
indication
of
what's
happening
on
the
property.
O
So
you
can
see
where
those
extremes
lie:
proposed
regulations,
okay,
as
I
said,
location
and
time
of
the
meeting-
we're
not
proposing
an
ordinance
change
to
try
and
address
we'll
speak
about
our
best
practices
guide
in
a
few
minutes.
Registration
of
the
meeting
with
the
city.
These
amendments
would
require
registering
that
meeting
with
the
city.
O
Format
of
the
required
signage
and
mailed
notice
would
both
be
required
to
follow
a
city
provided
template.
We've
heard
a
lot
about
that
with
the
signage,
especially
people
want
to
be
able
to
see
what
this
sign
looks
like
and
know
what
it
means
without
having
to
get
out
of
the
car
walk
up
to
it.
Read
8.5
or
whatever's,
been
put
on
there
and
move
them
from
there
format
and
best
meeting
practices.
O
G
O
All
right
notice
template
not
much
here,
probably
really
hard
for
you
to
read,
but
we
just
want
to
Define
how
this
is.
Information
is
delivered
at
a
minimum.
The.
What
when,
where
who
to
contact
and
what
is
being
proposed,
a
minimum
amount
of
information
we
think
needs
to
go
out
to
folks
when
they
determine
whether
or
not
they
will
attend
this
meeting.
O
Best
practices
guide-
this
is
quite
simply
a
plain
language.
Eight
page
guide
that
we've
designed
for
developers
and
Neighbors
on
how
to
best
hold
a
meeting
and
how
to
best,
engage
in
a
meeting
if
you're
a
neighbor
not
available.
There's
outline
we've
outlined
best
practices
in
here
for
timing
of
meetings,
location
of
meetings,
content
to
meetings,
communication
and
even
post
meeting
resources.
O
A
lot
of
these
things
are
guard
rails
and
suggestions,
because
every
project
is
a
little
different
and
there's
a
different
level
of
sophistication
on
every
team
proposing
these,
so
it's
kind
of
a
menu
of
how
to
go
about
it.
But
we
do
ask
that
when
you
submit
your
evidence,
you
held
this
meeting
as
City
staff.
O
We
can
look
at
this
guide
and
say:
yes,
you
followed
this
again
a
lot
of
a
good
subjective,
but
it
gives
us
a
lot
more
objectivity
than
we
had
previous
than
we
have
currently
and
does,
of
course,
provide
guidance
to
meeting
the
ordinance
requirements,
meaning
registration.
We
do
already
have
an
online
Forum
to
report
schedule
meetings.
This
is
important
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
This
allows
City
staff
to
check
the
mailing
list
for
accuracy
to
make
sure
that
the
not
only
are
we
meeting
the
requirements.
O
It's
generally
about
it's
being
held,
and
you
can
contact
this
person.
So
that's
really
valuable
for
us
and
really
important
on
this
third
bullet.
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this
in
just
a
moment,
but
it
will
allow
the
future
use
of
the
Simplicity
development
notification
tool
to
expand
the
notice
of
pre-development
application
to
expand
the
notice
of
pre-development
application.
Community
meetings
and
I'll
talk
about
that.
O
In
just
a
minute
meeting
reporting
we
have
developed
an
online
Forum
that
we
asked
folks
to
use
after
they've
held
the
meeting
to
report
that
meeting
to
tell
us
they
have
met
that
requirement.
They've
had
that
community
meeting.
This
is
a
little
more
detailed.
It
does
allow
cities
to
have
to
verify
all
requirements
about
met
and,
even
more
importantly,
it
creates
a
standardized
record
of
the
meeting
for
inclusion
with
all
staff
reports
and
the
file
moving
forward.
O
So
the
idea
here
is
your
staff
report
that
comes
to
planning
and
zoning
commission
should
have
an
appendix
that
is
that
record
of
that
neighborhood
meeting,
and
you
can
view
what
the
neighborhood
concerns
were
and
as
you're
moving
forward
standardizes
data
that
is
collected
for
metrics
and
Reporting.
If
we
get
the
same
information
every
time,
we
can
come
back
and
find
out
how
often
we've
gotten
that
information
and
that's
valuable
for
making
improvements
in
the
future.
O
Okay,
I
promised
I
would
talk
about
the
CBD
zoning
part.
That
is
where
I've
gotten
the
most
questions.
So
far.
Right
now,
as
I
said
before,
CBD
requires
a
200
foot
notification
radius,
we're
not
proposing
to
change
that.
The
difference
between
the
CBD
zoning
and
all
other
zoning
districts
is
that
section
7591
requires
that
not
only
the
property
owners
be
notified,
but.
O
Within
that
200
foot
radius
be
notified.
So
why
is
that
important?
Well,
CBD
downtown
is
a
much
more
dense
environment
than
anywhere
else
in
the
city.
So,
even
if
you
were
just
counting
property
owners
that
200
foot
radius
captures
a
lot
more
neighbors,
but
when
you
add
on
the
layer
that
that
has
to
capture
all
addresses
and
that's
residential
commercial,
every
address
has
to
be
notified
within
the
200
foot
Block.
It's
a
very
long
list.
B
O
It's
a
very
wide
net
that
gets
so
upon
conversations
with
the
groups.
I
mentioned
we
determined
it
was
not
necessary
to
expand
that
radius
in
the
CBD
zoning
District
we
did
find
in
the
pre-meeting
and
a
mission
in
the
markup
ordinance
7591,
subsection
B
to
I
believe
should
read
that
notice
should
be
given
to
all
addresses
and
property
owners
and
Property
Owners
was
left
out,
but
the
intent
was
for
those
well
both
of
those
groups
to
be
in
that
clause.
O
O
Anybody
here
signed
up
for
no
neighborhood
notifications
through
here:
okay,
pretty
easy
system,
someone
goes
in
self-selects
an
address,
chooses
a
geographic
boundary
and
then
selects
what
they're
interested
in
they'll
get
an
email
anytime.
One
of
those
comes
through
with
a
simple
link
to
a
page
about
that
application.
O
Once
we
are
able
to
collect
those
once
we
can
reliably
collect
those
registrations
of
neighborhood
meetings
that
enables
us
to
go
ahead
and
add
those
into
here
as
well,
so
that
puts
it
in
the
power
of
residents
and
people
to
register
and
get
these
notifications
for
their
neighborhood
the
whole
city.
If
they
really
want
to
know
what's
going
on
everywhere,
whatever
works
for
them,
so
once
ordinancer.
If
and
when
all
these
ordinance
changes
are
adopted,
we
would
plan
to
implement
that
in
the
summer
of
2023
or
this
summer.
O
All
right,
so
that's
just
the
first
slide
again
like
we
said
General
code
requirements
now
replacing
with
some
specific
code
language
after
working
with,
can
the
development
customer
advisor
group
Legacy,
neighborhoods,
Coalition
and
across
City
staff
members.
The
one
thing
that's
not
here.
We
did
attend
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee,
this
past
Monday
and
gave
an
informational
presentation
to
them
as
well
and
at
that
take
any
questions.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
Collins,
yeah
I,
definitely
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
gone
into.
This
I'm
sure
can
and
all
these
other
groups
are
very
appreciative
of
what
as
well
and
I
know
it's
something
that
has
has
been
needing
to
happen
because
the
neighborhood
meetings
are
it's
good
that
they
are
required.
But
now
it's
going
to
be
that
slightly
extra
level.
B
C
To
be
doing
this,
we've
been
politely
asking
you,
but
no
now
we
really
want
you
to
do
it
so,
and
I
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
called
that
guy,
the
neighborhood
and
developers
guide
to
Neighborhood
meetings,
because
I
think
it's
important
for
the
neighbors
to
know
that
this
is
not
a
free-for-all.
So,
yes,
thank
you
for
slight
word,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
that
that's
in
there
great
thank
you.
O
E
O
E
O
You're
well
I
mean
not
as
far
as
the
neighborhood
notification
stuff.
Anybody
can
sign
up
for
it.
It's
going
to
work
off
the
city
addresses,
but
then
it
asks
you
for
a
radius
of
that
address
and
it'll
pull
in
anything.
The
city
gets
right.
It's
not
going
to
get
anything
the
county
gets,
but
the
requirement
for
the
meeting
will
be
for
any
development
property
located
in
the
city
limits,
so
whether
your
address
is
Arden
or
Asheville.
If
you're
in
the
city
limits
that
would
apply
as
well.
E
And
then,
with
the
400
feet,
like
you
said
it's
like
77,
Properties
or
whatever,
when
you
went
out
to
600
what
was
the
difference?
Oh.
O
Gosh,
it
was
a
lot.
It
was
basically
like
the
entire
Corridor
between
it.
We
were.
We
used
an
example
of
130
Charlotte
Street
when
we
were
working
with
the
folks
who
wanted
the
600,
and
it
basically
was
the
entire
space
between
Charlotte
Street
and
like
Merriman
Avenue,
you
know
so
yeah.
It
was
a
big
difference.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Mr
Collins,
for
your
work
on
this
and
you're.
Bringing
this
to
us.
I
think
that
I'm,
a
huge
proponent
opponent
of
public
input
and
Community
engagement,
I,
do
have
some
questions
and
concerns
about
process.
So
could
you
just
take
us
through
kind
of
how
a
Udo
change
makes
its
way
into
the
Udo
and
I
know,
there's
various
paths
to
get
there,
but
and
talking
to
some
people
in
the
development
Community
prior
to
this
meeting.
F
About
projects
sure
than
a
Udo
change
that
you
know
it
could
impact
developments
in
the
future
kind
of
seemed
to
follow
a
different
path.
So
maybe
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
process?
Yeah.
O
O
Main
project
list,
so
it
was
kind
of
at
the
insistence
of
some
residents
who
were
very
persistent,
that
we
keep
pushing
the
sports.
So
we
worked
with
them
on
what
we
called
phase
one
which
was
implementing
what
could
be
done
without
a
Udo
Amendment
and
all
these
things
you
saw
right
now.
We've
already
deployed
all
these
things
except
the
phase
two
stuff
and
we're
right
now,
just
saying:
hey
Please!
Do
this
right!
Please
register
your
meeting.
O
O
So
we
tried
honestly
our
bestest
staff
to
wait
until
a
time
when
we
had
a
lot
of
vacant
positions
filled
and
a
little
less
going
on
to
push
the
amendment
through.
So
my
point
there
is
the
timing's
been
really
long
right,
so
we
went
to
the
development
customer
Advisory
Group,
which
is
our
closest
thing
to
a
sounding
board
of
the
development
Community.
I
O
O
O
For
staff
resources
to
say
all
right:
let's
go
on
the
studio
Amendment
now,
so
that's
kind
of
how
that's
gone
so
far
started
with
a
neighborhood
advisory
committee
on
this
run
to
hit
the
official
City
body
that
kind
of
represents
neighborhoods
and
residents
in
those
neighborhoods
and
planning
a
zoning
commission
tonight.
So
it's
kind
of
getting
daylight.
Now
we're
not
looking
to
get
to
council
until
April
just
for
some
logistical
reasons,
but
as
it
hits
those
agenda,
I'm
hoping
it'll
get
a
little
more
Daylight
and
folks
will
know
some
more
about
it,
but
yeah.
F
But
thanks
I
appreciate
that
sure
you
know
for
the
large
projects.
I
agree
we
should
you
know
we
should
really
solicit
as
much
public
engagement
as
possible
and
those
large
project
developers
can
bear
the
brunt
of
an
extra
thousand
dollars
in
postage.
I.
Think
we're
at
a
little
I
have
some
hesitation
about.
Is
we're
currently
engaging
a
consultant
to
study
missing
middle
housing
and
barriers
to
infill
development,
and
you
know
so?
F
Are
we
creating
a
slightly
more
protracted
process
with
slightly
greater
cost,
while
engaging
a
consultant
to
kind
of
look
into
those
those
things
within
the
Udo?
So,
in
my
opinion,
it
seems
like
it
would
make
sense
to
kind
of
study
this
with
that
consultant
and
potentially
come
back
with
a
larger
revision
to
the
neighborhood
meeting
process
that
could
parse
out
projects.
F
I
I
get
that
this
is
sort
of
an
easier
thing
to
sort
of
fix
an
informal
system,
but
that's
just
sort
of
where
my
hesitations
lie.
Right
now,.
O
Sure
and
if
I
could
try
and
address
that
for
you,
I'm
missing
middle
by
nature
and
I've
been
involved
in
the
Committees
looking
to
evaluate
those
proposals
and
select
the
firm
that
we
Pope
Council
awarded
last
night
is
going
to
study
projects
that
are
primarily
going
to
be
level
one
projects.
O
Well,
they
could
get
a
little
over,
but
most
of
that
missing
middle
and
level.
One
projects-
you
all,
don't
see
them,
but
they
are
under
20
units
right.
So
a
lot
of
the
missing
middle
by
definition
is
going
to
be
the
smaller
projects
which
do
not
require
neighborhood
meetings
at
all.
That
was
something
that
neighbors
requested
us
to
include,
but
we
did
not
include
in
at
this
time
for
the
small
projects
to
require
neighborhood
meetings,
so
hopefully
that
addresses
the
concern
somewhat.
Surely
there's
small
projects
missing
middle,
sometimes
that
need
to
modify
something
new.
O
C
Thing
that
maybe
some
of
that
missing
middle
might
fall
into
and
I
mean
again.
Even
this
is
Major
subdivision,
so
I
think
it
probably
is
going
to
be
under
the
threshold
of
this
and
then
I
think.
It
is
true
that
anything
that
would
be
bigger
is
going
to
have
to
it's
probably
going
to
go
from
level
one
almost
to
a
CZ,
because
they're
going
to
have
to
be
combining
or
doing
something
that
then
is
already.
C
O
C
C
O
G
F
Beside
male
notices
that
were
discussed
as
a
notice
mechanism,
it's
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
outdated.
It
seems
like
a
lot
of
times
results
in
return.
Mail,
you
know
short
of
I,
guess
going
door
to
door
and
knocking
on
doors
is
and.
B
F
O
And
it's
kind
of
that
old
standard.
We
always
say
male
notice,
right
but
I'll
say
we
did
a
lot
of
go
back
to
another.
Excuse
me:
another
project.
We've
worked
with
the
the
noise
ordinance
back,
pre-covered
and
I'm
going
to
bring
that
up
because
there's
a
lot
of
Engagement
for
that,
and
we
still
run
into
a
big
Equity
issue
between
methods
of
notification.
Right
and
not
everybody
has
access
or
comfortability
with
technology.
So
while
we
can
really
do
some
amazing
things
with
like
digital
notification,
we
can't
assume
we're
reaching
everybody.
O
G
O
I,
don't
know
I
it's
more
like
we,
we
could
put
something
in
the
best
practices
guide
about.
We
recommend
you
also
conduct
a
digital
campaign,
but
then
email
addresses
are
harder
to
find
unless
we
already
have
a
database
as
well.
So
we
bounce
a
lot
of
the
stuff
off
ourselves
as
staff
and
just
ended
up
back
at
the
old
fashioned
first
class
mail.
So.
C
It's
like
the
letting
or
having
a
requirement
to
notify
the
name
groups
would
because
usually
the
neighborhood
groups,
it's
they're,
the
ones
that
have
all
emails.
C
O
E
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
pretty
involved
and
I
still
like
to
get
a
little
postcard
in
the
mail
to
remind
me,
because
when
I
see
that
I'm,
like
oh
yeah,
I,
forgot,
I
got
an
email
17
times
and
I
deleted
it,
and
when
the
all
the
pipes
burst
and
everything
at
Christmas,
the
best
way
everybody
in
our
neighborhood
knew
was
from
our
little
Facebook
group,
and
you
know
we
had
people
who
were
still
like.
Tell
me
what's
going
on,
because
I
don't
want
to
get
the
abl
texts
five
times
a
day.
N
Yeah,
thank
you.
Mr
Collins
I
really
appreciate
all
this
and
sorry
to
be
part
of
the
dead
horse.
Beating
commission,
but
you
know
I,
feel
like
for
400
feet.
I'm
glad
we're
expanding
it,
but
I
like
Miss
dubinick,
said
I'm
still
old-fashioned
like
to
get
that
postcard
and
I.
N
You
know
anywhere
on
Biltmore,
Avenue
or
something
you
know
that
it
was
70
businesses
or
addresses.
Really
quick,
but
400
feet
is
just
a
little
over
a
football
field
like
that's,
not
no.
G
N
My
one
question
I
did
have
is
for
I
like
the
online
tool,
that's
awesome
and
where
you
show
where
you
have
to
like
register
a
meeting
register
who
showed
up
or
who
you
notified
love
it
is
there
a
pre
meeting
like
registration?
You
have
to
do
so
like
like
say,
I'm
a
developer
and
I
want
to
do
it.
Do
I
have
to
submit
X,
Y
and
Z
and
make
sure
that
the
city
can
review
it
before?
Yes,.
O
O
O
N
O
Not
whatever
the
ordinance
says,
you
know
convenient
and
accessible
to
neighbors
and
I
use
that
example,
we've
not
had
that,
but
you
know
so.
Basically,
if
they
don't
follow
what
they
do
from
the
registration,
then
we're
not
going
to
accept
an
application
for
the
development
until
they've
held
a
neighborhood
meeting
that
meets
the.
C
Yeah
any
other
questions
from
the
commission
for
Mr
Collins
before
you
open
for
public
comment.
A
A
First,
you
mentioned
that
when
it's
in
the
CBD,
it's
supposed
to
say,
property
owner
addresses
and
Property
Owners
right,
but
I
don't
see
in
your
if
this.
If
what
we're
reading
are
your,
is
your
new
language?
I
didn't
see
that
property
owners
got
at.
A
We
distinguish
between
CBD
and
non-cbd
for
subdivisions
and
level
twos.
Have
we
ever
done
that
for
czs
and
should
we.
A
I
A
O
C
C
I
hadn't
even
thought
about
that,
but
that
does
make
sense
because
you're
right
we
didn't
have,
it
was
always
200
feet
and
now
we're
saying
outside
of
the
CBD
we're
changing
that
we
don't
necessarily
if
it's
that
doesn't
say
that
CB
in
czs
and
we
have
one-
you
don't
want
to
say
it
so
yeah
so
yeah.
That
would
be
another
minor
little
sure.
A
I,
don't
see
any
changes
to
this
to
the
cities
which
I
think
is
it
7,
18
or
720.,
where
we?
What
I.
A
O
C
A
B
A
A
I
F
B
B
F
I'm
in
favor
of
codifying
and
formalizing
neighborhood
meeting
notifications,
I
just
think
that
it's
not
you
know,
we've
identified
a
couple
of
things.
I
certainly
agree
about
the
city
notice
standards
being
you
know
the
same.
We
hear
all
the
time
from
our
partners
that
you
know
we're
asking
civil
engineers
to
be.
F
You
know
mailing
list
generators
and
it's
not
really
what
they
do,
but
they
do
it
because
it's
a
city
expectation,
so
just
as
much
as
we
can
like,
streamline
and
clarify
the
standards
and
have
the
city
participating
by
like
reviewing
and
certifying
yep.
These
are
the
right
addresses,
I'm
I'm,
a
in
favor
of
I,
just
I,
wonder
if
we've
gotten
it
completely
right.
A
A
G
B
A
O
Right
so
we
have
several
fields
of
information
that
are
required
when
they
fill
that
form
out,
including
what
you're
mentioning
we
do
ask
for
about
sign
in
sheet,
which
is
getting
a
little
harder
because
some
people
hold
these
remotely,
but
they
can
collect
that.
We
asked
for
an
attendance
roster,
essentially
okay,
and
we
do
have
a
field
for
recording
of
the
meeting
that
we
asked
them
to
upload,
as
well
as
several
other
pieces
of
information.
O
I
can't
remember
them
all
right
now,
but
we
do
have
that's
the
reason
we're
using
an
online
form
to
get
those
results.
So
we
can
direct
what
we
get
from
the
from
the
developers.
So
they.
C
Have
to
record
yes
private
form
right
now,
yep
recording
in
person
or
just
if
it's
virtual
it
either.
O
A
O
C
Know
we've
gotten
ones
where
it's
been
the
in
the
meeting
packet
for
a
CZ
there's
been
a
you
know,
you
can
see.
It
was
a
sign-in
sheet
I've
seen
those
attached
in
these
before
so
yep,
but
if
you're
saying
it
also
has
to
now
be
a
like,
they
have
to
be.
Recording
I
was
just
gonna
make
the
comment:
do
we
want
to
and
obviously
to
you
Mr
Collins
and
Miss,
Ashley
and
staff?
Do
you
wanna
pump
this
another
month
just
to
tie
up
those
couple
loose
ends:
I.
C
C
O
B
C
B
C
G
C
D
F
F
Doing
is
we're
setting
up
a
process
that
then
we're
asking
the
city
to
accept
when
it.
If,
if
that's
going
to
be
considered
for
City
notifications,
if
it
can
be
considered
together,
then
we're
talking
about
well,
this
is
a
city
project.
This
is
a
developer
initiative
project.
What's
the
system
that
works
across
them,
or
should
we
keep
them
separate
and
it
sort
of
feels
like
we
haven't
figure
that
out?
So
if
we
pass
this
tonight,
then
it
most
likely
it's
going
to
be
the
city.
G
D
Is
better
because
you
know
we
do
have
a
lot
of
boards
and
commissions?
We
do
a
lot
that
is,
you
know,
asking
asking
the
applicant
to
expand
their
radius
a
little
bit
and
meet
certain
criteria
might
be
appropriate,
and
it's
because
you
have
to
consider
even
the
physical
impact
of
expanding
the
criteria
when
everyone
you
have
a
few
boards
and
commissions
and
city
council,
and
it
could.
B
It
could
add
up
so
I.
B
D
It
necessarily
has
to
mirror
it.
I
think
you
can
definitely
recommend
that
it
gets
looked
into
and
be
more
in
line
with.
This
sounds
that
we
haven't
really
thought
through
that
very
far.
So
it's
hard
to
say
what
that
would
look
like
yeah.
B
A
I
don't
know
if
commissioner
Barton,
if
you're,
also
suggesting
additional
note
level
of
in
community
engagement
before
it
comes
back
before
this
comes
back
because
it
seems
like
you
didn't
feel
enough.
Enough
of
the
community
knew
this
was
even
coming
forward,
but.
F
I
didn't
I'm,
not
sure
about
it.
Yeah
and
I.
Think
you
know,
even
just
delaying
a
month
would
provide
that
opportunity.
For
you
know,
people
to
provide
input
so
I'd
be
in
favor
of
that.
If
there's
no
kind
of
urgency
to
proceed-
and
we
could
you
know,
delay
it
a
month
with
the
idea
that
it
comes
back
as
is
and
City
might
the
city
notification
might
come
back
later
or
you
know
whatever
the
city
staff
decides,
but
it
does
seem
like
that
would
provide
an
opportunity
for
greater
engagement.
C
B
B
C
Why
don't
we
say
all
right,
let's
take
another
month
figure
out
if
it
does
I
certainly
appreciate
Mr
Palmquist,
saying
that
yeah
this
if
we
expanded
to
400
feet,
maybe
that
is
just
a
whole
lot
of
extra
effort
for
the
city
again
I'm
fine,
with
attacking
the
developer
for
it,
for
it
sorry,
but
you
know
I
I,
think
that
is
not
for
us
to
decide
whether
or
not
I
think
we.
It
would
be
good
to
hear
from
the
city
what
the
ramifications
of
that
would
be.
C
D
C
C
A
O
If,
if
the
commission
would
like
to
see
us
explore
the
revisions
to
these
sections
regarding
City
notification
of
projects
yeah,
it
would
make
sense
to
continue
this
to
another
meeting,
to
allow
staff
time
to
work
on
that.
C
C
Is
all
right?
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Collins
I
appreciate
it.
I
mean
it's
all
great
and
I.
Think.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
That
concludes
the
agenda.
For
tonight's
meeting
of
the
plane
and
Zoning
commission.
We
will
have
our
next
meeting
as
just
mentioned,
on
April
5th.
2023
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.