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A
C
B
You
know
speaking
of
motions,
I
always
like
it
joe
when
we
do
the
roll
call
for
the
cases
for
the
public
hearing
items,
but
when
we
do
adoption
of
the
minutes,
I
don't
think
you
have
to
do
a
roll
call
or
when
we
adjourn,
I
think
you
can
just
be
like
all
those
in
favor
all
right.
It's
unanimous,
you
know.
Maybe
if
you
can
audibly
acknowledge
that
it's
unanimous,
that's
probably
good
enough.
B
All
right
we
are
live.
Avery
gave
me
the
thumbs
up
so.
C
All
right
good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
november
3rd
2021
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
for
the
city
of
asheville.
My
name
is
joe
archibald
and
I'm
the
current
chair
for
the
commission.
All
commission
members
staff
and
applicants
are
participating
virtually
and
we
appreciate
your
patience
during
this
time
of
virtual
meetings.
C
This
meeting
is
being
streamed,
live
on
the
city's
virtual
engagement
hub,
a
link
of
which
can
be
found
on
the
home
page
of
the
city's
website
and
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
webpage.
In
addition,
you
can
watch
past
meetings
on
the
city's
youtube
youtube
channel
planning.
Zoning
commission
accepts
public
comments
on
items
that
are
listed
on
the
agenda
in
a
variety
of
ways.
Email
and
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C
And
entering
the
code
9273,
all
of
this
information
is
listed
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
website
for
future
reference.
Please
note
that
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However,
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meeting.
We
will
make
every
attempt
to
address
any
and
all
comments
received
during
our
discussion
of
the
particular
agenda
item.
B
All
right,
chair,
archibald.
C
D
C
All
right,
thank
you,
miss
tuck.
We
do
have
two
items
that
are
on
the
agenda
right
now
that
are
being
postponed.
I
believe
until
date,
certain.
C
First,
okay,
those
are
it
is
the
legislative
public
hearing,
a
request
to
rezone
two
civilian
parcels
at
285,
livingston
and
415,
south
french
broad,
and
then
the
zoning
text.
Amendment
number
one
to
consider
is
that
correct,
yes,
text
amendments
to
chapter
seven
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
related
to
open
space
requirements,
so
both
of
those
are
being
postponed
until
our
next
meeting
of
december
first,
so
that
will
leave
us
moving
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
approval
of
the
motion
minutes.
D
C
All
right
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor
just
raise
your
hand
and
say
aye
aye.
All
right
right.
Motion,
pre
motion
is
approved
unanimously.
C
And
nine,
six,
four,
eight
three
seven
six,
eight
six,
two
in
the
buncombe
county
tax
record,
the
owner
is
north
hub
llc
and
the
project
contact
is
eric.
Howe
planner,
coordinating
review
is
sasha
vertrinsky
and
before
miss
vertinsky
starts.
I
wanted
to
let
the
public
know.
This
is
a
level
two
hearing
that
basically
means
that
we
are
acting
as
a
review.
C
It
is
on
technical
grounds.
Only
does
not
have
any
we're.
C
F
Thank
you
so
much,
commissioner
archibald,
I'm
sasha
vertinsky.
I
know
I
haven't,
met
everybody
and
welcome
commissioner
simmons,
I'm
a
planner
with
long
range
planning
here
and
planning
and
urban
design.
F
This
is
50
collier
avenue,
and
this
is,
I
realized
too
late
that
I
really
probably
should
have
provided
a
larger
view
for
you,
but
this
hotel
is
in
an
area
of
our
downtown
that
folks
call
south
slope,
and
it
is
here
in
this
triangular
piece.
It's
where
the
wake
sculpture
was
located
if
you're
familiar
with
that,
it
has
since
been
moved,
but
it
is
zoned
cbd
and
it
is
in
the
small
hotel
overlay
zone,
and
this
is
an
aerial
view.
F
You
can
see
it's
really
it's
an
old
foundation
of
a
building
here
and
there
is
a
small
building
here
on
the
second
parcel
to
the
north.
That
will
be
demolished
as
a
part
of
this
project,
so
the
total
size
is
0.46
acres,
and
I
will
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
in
just
a
second.
But
this
is
the
site
plan,
so
they
are
small.
Small
hotels
are
required
to
have
a
50
of
your
street
facing
facade
being
activated,
and
when
you
have
more
than
one
public
right-of-way,
you
can
add
those
up.
F
F
It
is
yeah,
so
it's
three
stories
39
feet
tall
to
the
and
how
we
measure
height
in
downtown
it's
to
the
lowest
occupiable
floor,
62,
000,
square
feet
and
included,
is
25
hotel
rooms
and
seven
extended
stay
units
and
also
three
condominium
units.
I
should
have
had
here
as
well
and
there's
interior
parking
and
I'll.
I
think
I
have
some.
There
were
floor
plans
in
your
packet.
I'm
not
sure
I
included
them,
but
the
interior
parking.
F
F
This
project
did
go
to
the
urban
forestry
commission
for
alternative
compliance,
and
really
it
was
only
for
the
spacing
of
three
trees
here
in
the
lower
left
corner,
just
slightly
under
15
feet,
they're
using
silver
cells
and
they're
they're,
actually
moving
power
lines
here
on
collier
so
that
they
can
plant
large
trees.
F
So
there
are
utility
conflicts
here
of
I
think
water
and
sewer
lines
and
water
lines
are
being
moved,
but
they
are
placing
the
trees
next
to
the
building
and
msd
luckily
has
worked
with
them,
and
so
they
will
be
kind
of
very
slender
columnar
trees.
But
given
this
urban
condition,
it's
probably
the
best
we
can
get
so
we.
I
appreciate
them
working
hard
on
that.
So
here
are
some
building
elevations.
F
This
is
looking
if
you're
looking
right
at
the
building
from
the
point,
so
it's
it's
not
quite
as
intuitive
of
a
picture.
This
is
the
collier
avenue
side.
So
here
on,
the
left
is
the
hotel
entrance
to
the
right
here
or
in
the
centers.
You
know
entrance
to
the
third
floor,
and
then
this
is
the
millard
avenue
where
there's
you
can
see.
This
is
a
kind
of
where
there's
retail,
space
and
commercial
space.
F
F
F
And
also
one
feature
of
this
building
is
the
roof
deck.
They
have.
You
know
substantial
areas
of
green
roof,
but
there's
also
an
idea
of
having
this
being
an
activated
space.
There's
two
stairwells
public
restrooms,
and
I
think
this
is
accessible
to
the
public
too.
So
if
there's
you
know
food
and
beverage
up
here,
that
folks
will
be
able
to
come
up
here
as
well,
and
this
is
the
millard
side.
F
One
issue
that
came
up
in
the
downtown
commission
is
about
the
color
of
the
brick
and
the
designers
you
know,
were
able
to
change
the
renderings
to
make
everyone
satisfied
with
that.
This
is
the
collier
avenue
side.
F
So
this
project
was
reviewed
by
trc
and
approved
with
conditions
the
downtown
commission
had.
We
take
projects
like
this
to
our
downtown
commission
to
just
get
comments
on
everything,
so
both
design
and
non-design
issues,
and
they
gave
a
lot
of
good
comments
on
design
which
the
team
quickly
turned
around
into
their.
You
know
submittal
for
the
design
review
committee.
F
Just
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
been
on
the
commission
as
long
the
design
review
committee
is
a
pretty
new
body
and
they
are
reviewing
all
projects
that
are
substantial
changes
and
so
level,
one
two
and
three
projects
in
the
cbd,
the
central
business
district
and
the
river
design
review
district,
which
is
much
bigger
than
like
the
river
arts
district.
So
it
actually
goes
along
the
suannanola
river.
F
You
know
you
know
to
the
north,
on
the
french
broad
and
even
a
long
part
of
the
french
broad
on
amboy
road
as
well
and
and
there
also
the
design
review
committee-
is
also
reviewing
all
hotels.
So
in
this
case
it's
both
a
hotel
and
in
downtown
the
design
review
committee
approved
the
project.
They
had
three
conditions
which
the
applicant
agreed
to
the
first
one
was
moving
the
bike
bike
racks.
They
were
on
that
point
of
that
intersection
and
it
just
wasn't:
it's
such
a
prominent
corner.
F
It
really
wasn't
the
appropriate
place
for
bike
racks,
and
so
I
think
an
art
piece
is
much
better.
The
second
item
are
the
pedestrian
entrances
on
collier
and
I'll.
Just
go
back
here.
So
these
two
entrances.
F
We
really
wanted
to
see
the
commission
and
staff
both
wanted
to
see
some
kind
of
projecting
canopy
so
that
the
building
isn't
quite
so
flat,
which
will
help
with
the
feeling
and
being
able
pedestrians,
pedestrians
and
other
users
being
able
to
read
the
building
and
understanding
that
those
are
activated
entrances
and
we
did
not
require
them
to
bring
that
design
to
you
all.
F
Today,
staff
will
review
that
when
it
comes
back
comes
back
in
probably
during
final
technical
review
and
then
the
third
condition
was
revising
the
rooftop
structures
and
there
was
a
long
discussion
of
that
and
the
idea
here
is,
let
me
find
so.
You
see
the
rooftop
structures
have
these
slanted
roofs
and
because
of
where
the
stairwells
are
in
this
building
they're
located
right
at
the
edge
of
the
building.
F
So
the
idea
here
is
that
they
would
have
flat
roofs
and
peter
aubrey
is
the
architect
or
one
of
the
architects
who's
here
today
talked
about
trying
to
minimize
how
those
those
buildings
appear
and
then
and
making
them
as
small
as
possible,
and
then
the
materials
used
on
those
buildings
kind
of
being
reflected
in
some
of
these
other
metal
materials
like
on
the
rounded
portion
here
or
the
balconies,
so
that
it's
a
unified
design
and
the
drc
was
satisfied
with
those
with
that
discussion.
So
they
approved
it.
F
C
Vertinski,
are
there
any
comments
or
questions
right
now
for
staff
from
the
commission.
E
Thank
you,
miss
vertinsky,
just
a
couple
of
quick
clarification
questions.
One
of
the
street
view.
Renderings
showed
a
knee
wall
coming
out
across
the
sidewalk.
That's
not
actually
there
right.
That's
just
that
right.
F
Yes,
thank
you
yeah,
and
that
was
pointed
out
to
me
during
the
review.
Let
me
see
if
I
could
see
if
the
site
plan
no.
F
Across
the
sidewalk,
so
if
you
see
here,
I
wish
I
could
zoom
in
here,
but
it
does
come
out
a
little
bit,
but
it
would
not
come.
It
would
not
kind
of
violate
the
10
foot.
Sidewalk
would
be
my
understanding
if
that
makes
sense.
E
Yes,
thank
you
and
one
other
question
related
to
parking
in
the
staff
report.
It
mentioned
18
parking
spaces
required
and
35
provided
and
it
appeared
in
the
site
or
the
floor
plans
provided
that
it's
sort
of
because
of
the
unique
geometry
of
the
site
it
has
like
parking
lanes.
That
would
be
more
like
valet
parking.
Is
that
staff's
understanding
and
what's
what's
the
understanding
of
meeting
the
required
parking.
F
That's
a
great
question
and
I'm
not
sure
the
best
answer
for
it.
Let
me
go
to
the
site.
F
I
think
if
there
are
technical
issues,
those
driving
aisles,
we
should
be
identifying
that
in
our
review
at
trc.
G
Yes,
good
evening,
everyone,
the
all
the
parking,
the
required
parking
and
the
optional
parking
is
all
in
the
basement
level.
So
what
you
see
here
on
the
the
top
of
the
plan
and,
on
the
left
hand,
side,
those
parking
spaces
are
for
the
condominium
owners
and
the
stack
spaces
are
valet
parking
for
the
hotel,
so
we're
not
anticipating
using
any
on-street
parking
for
the
hotel
of
the
condominium
portion
of
the
building.
G
A
Yes,
I'd
like
to
know
about
this
parking
parking
level
in
particular,
if
there's
going
to
be
any
sort
of
mechanical
ventilation
like
fan
noise
on
the
street
and
also
where
will
the
trash
be
taken
upon
collection
day.
G
The
garage
will
have
to
be
mechanically,
ventilated
and
it'll.
We
can't
exhaust
it
out
to
the
sidewalk,
because
that
would
be
cold
violation,
so
it's
going
to
have
to
go
up
somehow
through
the
building.
What
we
found
in
the
the
garages
that
we've
designed
in
downtown
the
fans
are
run
or
engaged
with
carbon
monoxide
sensors,
and
it's
very
rare
that
there's
that
much
carbon
monoxide
that
would
trip
the
fan
to
start.
G
So
we
don't
see
it
as
being,
even
if
you
could
hear
it,
it
won't
run
that
often
the
trash
all
that
is
on
the
the
main
level
on
the
upper
left-hand
corners,
where
the
deliveries
and
the
trash
removal
will
be.
C
H
This
chicken-
I
know
it's
a
busy
area
down
there,
I'm
not
far
from
it,
no
no
need
for
traffic
study.
There.
G
H
B
Yeah,
it's
pretty
close,
so
the
the
requirement
for
off-street
parking
most
uses
in
the
downtown
do
not
require
off-street
parking,
but
a
lot
of
businesses
choose
to
provide
off-street
parking.
The
one
exception
to
that
is
a
hotel.
A
hotel
must
provide
off-street
parking,
so
mr
alvarez
has
shown
the
mandatory
parking
that
is
provided
for
the
hotel
use,
that's
the
valet
parking,
but
they
are
just
as
an
option
as
a
an
amenity
to
their
residents.
They're,
also
offering
off-street
parking
for
the
condos,
the
separate
condominiums
and
those
were
the
head-in
spaces
that
were
shown.
C
E
C
That
I
mean
there
is
on-street
parking
on
both
of
those
streets
right
now,
but
I
don't
believe
any
of
that
is
metered,
and
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
I
think
I
was
just
looking
at
the
site
plan
really
quick.
I
see
that
they've
got
the
accessible
parking
located
on
street
accessible
parking
located.
C
B
C
I'm
I'm
all
for
it
any
place.
That's
on
street
parking
put
a
meter
there.
So
I
I
do
have
one
question
for
staff,
and
this
is
I'm
bringing
it
up
only
because
this
is
it
has
nothing
to
do,
particularly
with
this
specific
project.
It
does
with
this
specific
project,
but
it's
not
a
fault
of
the
project
and
it's
the
second
project.
We've
seen
come
downtown
in
the
last
I
don't
know
four
months
or
so,
where.
C
Now
I
understand
that
there's
there's
that
gap
there
there's
a
potential
that
for
differential
settling,
which
could
cause
obviously
ada
problems
down
the
road,
but
I'd
bring
it
up
because
I
know
we
had
a
pretty,
as
I
recall,
not
heated,
but
it
was
a
fairly
in-depth
discussion
about
that
project.
It
was
over
on
shoot.
Well,
it
was
rabbit,
rabbit
exactly,
and
I
think
we
ended
up
with
the
agreement
that
we
were
going
to
allow
them
to
to
do
what
had
happened,
and
you
know
essentially
do
the
five
and
five.
C
So
what
is
what
is
staff's
thinking?
And
I
you
know
obviously
there's
nobody
from
transit
here
that
I
see
your
street
so.
B
So
I
mean
this
project
is
a
little
bit
different
in
that
they
are
doing
like
a
you
know,
boundary
to
boundary
line
full
reconstruction
rabbit
rabbit
is
almost
like
an
adaptive
reuse.
In
a
way
I
mean
they
did
add,
I
think
structures
to
the
property,
but
it
was
so
diminutive
compared
to
the
site,
because
it's
an
outdoor
entertainment
venue
so
that
I
think,
if
they
had
been,
you
know
literally
impacting
every
inch
of
the
site.
B
You
know,
maybe
it
wouldn't
been
as
big
of
a
deal,
because
all
of
that
equipment
and
machinery
will
end
up
damaging
that
sidewalk.
So,
as
you
know,
based
on
that
hearing-
and
that
was
a
variance
hearing
for
the
sidewalk
that
was
very
difficult
for
our
public
works
trans
staff
to
accept
they
were
not
they
will.
They
will
not
agree
to
those
two
separate
poors
for
a
variety
of
you
know:
construction,
technical
reasons
and
maintenance
reasons,
because
the
city
ultimately
pays
or
maintains
the
sidewalks.
B
I
think
only
because
it
was
the
variance
recommendation
you
know.
Would
they
accept
that
as
an
alternative?
That
is
not
typical
and
you
would
have
to
demonstrate
a
unique
hardship
and
I
think
they
I
mean,
in
my
opinion
they
didn't
do
a
good
job
with
establishing
a
unique
hardship
in
that
particular
case.
But
it
was
enough
for
the
commission
to
support
it.
I
don't
think
you
have
the
same
hardship
in
this
situation,
so
it
would
be
hard
to
support.
C
And
I
guess
I
bring
it
up
more
to
you
know
again.
This
is
kind
of
one
of
those
I'm
bringing
it
up
as
a
as
a
discussion
point
and
also
just
as
a
reference
point
of
you
know.
As
I
recall,
one
of
the
conversations
that
came
up
was
in
thinking
about
a
sustainability
measure.
You
know
we've
got
reasonably
new
sidewalk,
it's
not
like
it's
old
sidewalk.
C
It's
not
like
we're
talking
about
15
year
old,
cracked,
sidewalk
that
we
would
like
replaced,
and
obviously
there
was
an
expense
on
on
behalf
of
the
city,
to
put
that
in
so
where
do
we?
You
know.
C
B
No,
so
that
off
street
parking
requirement
is
exclusively
for
the
only
parking
that's
required
is
for
the
hotel,
all
of
the
other
uses
if
they
provide
parking,
it's
totally
optional.
A
lot
of
our
businesses
in
the
downtown
don't
provide
any
parking.
A
lot
of
the
restaurants,
for
example,
don't
have
any
parking,
so
this
this
would
be
just
like
all
of
those
other
restaurant
uses.
They
would
not
supply
parking.
B
B
D
I
C
Me
roll
call
vote
when
I
call
your
name
just
raise
your
hand
and
say
I
or
nay
miss
commissioner
levi.
A
E
I
I
C
C
D
C
To
the
next
item,
we
have
a
zoning
map
amendment
a
request
to
apply
the
zoning
designation
of
single
family
residential
single
family,
medium
density,
rs4
to
property
that
is
being
voluntarily
annexed
into
the
city
of
asheville
located
at
2351
sweden
creek
road.
The
property
is
identified
as
9656-22-3338.
C
B
B
So
from
an
advertising
standpoint,
this
is
acceptable
because
what
we're
asking
for
is
actually
less
intense
than
what
was
advertised
so
we're
able
to
proceed,
but
just
the
rest
of
your
documents
and
the
map
amendment
is
going
to
discuss
rs2.
So
just
so,
you
know
to
begin.
This
is
the
subject:
property
located
off
of
sweden
creek
road
in
south
asheville,
that
is
the
sweden
creek
corridor
here
on
the
right-hand
side
of
the
property.
What
looks
sort
of
like
a
road
on
the
west
side
is
a
a
railroad
right-of-way.
B
B
This
property
was
purchased
with
bond
referendum
money
that
was
approved
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
it
was
for
the
purpose
of
expanding
park
facilities
in
south
asheville.
So
if,
if
you
live
in
south
asheville,
you
may
be
aware
that
south
asheville
doesn't
have
as
many
parks
per
thousand
people,
and
so
this
is
an
effort
to
try
to
kind
of
balance
those
facilities
across
the
city.
B
The
property,
however,
is
not
currently
located
in
the
city
of
asheville,
and
the
city
would
like
to
have
all
city-owned
property
and
facilities
within
its
corporate
boundaries.
So
here
this
blue
line
is
the
the
the
jurisdictional
line
between
the
city
of
asheville
to
the
east
and
buncombe
county.
Excuse
me,
city
of
asheville,
to
the
west
and
buncombe
county
to
the
east.
So
you
can
say
this
property
is
in
buncombe
county,
but
it
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
corporate
limits
of
the
city.
B
That
is
a
developed
single-family
neighborhood
today
that
same
neighborhood
is
split.
It's
actually
some
of
it's
rs4
and
some
of
it's
rs2,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
the
history
on
that,
and
that's
actually
the
reason
for
that
error
in
the
staff
report
or
in
the
agenda.
This
is
also
covered
with
the
bluewich
parkway
overlay.
That's
this
green
hatching
that
you
see
across
the
screen,
and
that
was
what
kind
of
muddied
the
the
labels,
and
so
we
erroneously
thought
it
was
actually
that
this
neighborhood
was
actually
zoned
rs4.
B
It's
it's
actually
split
zoned,
rs2
and
rs4,
so
we
would
propose
to
re-zone
or
apply
a
zoning
designation
to
this
newly
annexed
property
of
rs2.
Since
that
is
what
is
directly
contiguous
to
the
subject
property,
it's
probably
a
large
enough
parcel,
it
could
stand
on
its
own,
but
since
park
facilities
are
permitted
in
all
residential
districts,
it
it
doesn't
really
matter.
It
doesn't
interfere
with
the
city's
plans
in
any
way,
and
we
felt
that
that
not
only
is
it
just
consistent
with
what
is
directly
adjacent
it.
B
You
know
it
potentially
could
give
some
of
these
homeowners
some
comfort
to
know
that
the
zoning
designation
is
the
same
and
if,
for
some
reason,
a
park
facility
wasn't
constructed,
it
couldn't
be
anything
more
than
a
low-density
residential
neighborhood
consistent
with
their
own.
So
that
would
be
our
recommendation.
B
In
addition
to
assign
assigning
a
zoning
designation,
we
would
also
have
to
assign
a
future
land
use
designation.
As
you,
as
the
commission
knows,
all
properties
within
the
city
are
assigned.
One
of
I
think,
12
different
future
land
use
designations.
B
The
that
same
residential
neighborhood,
I
was
just
pointing
out,
is
designated
residential
neighborhood,
so
we
would
propose
to
apply
the
same
designation
to
the
subject
property,
since
that
is
what
is
directly
adjacent
and
consistent.
So
if
that
were
supported,
it
would
look
something
like
this.
We
would
apply
that
same
sort
of
yellow
residential
neighborhood
designation
to
this
parcel
as
well.
B
Then
next
week
at
city
council,
the
council
will
vote
on
a
resolution
to
set
the
public
hearing
for
the
voluntary
annexation.
So
the
annexation
itself
is
a
two-step
process.
First,
you
set
the
public
hearing.
Then
you
hold
the
public
hearing
when
we
hold
that
public
hearing
in
december.
We're
going
to
marry
up
this
zoning
assignment
on
that
same
night,
so
that
there's
going
to
be
two
steps
in
december
that
the
city
will
the
council
would
first
annex
the
property
and
then
once
it's
annexed,
they
would
assign
this
zoning
designation.
B
So
that's
sort
of
the
process
of
how
these
voluntary
annexations
work.
That
concludes
my
summary
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
it's
it's
a
pretty
straightforward
request.
C
Thank
you,
miss
tuck,
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
E
E
B
C
Okay,
I
was,
I
wasn't
sure
I
saw
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
the
opportunity,
commissioner
faircloth.
D
Thank
you
chair,
I'd
like
to
also
support
what
our
commissioner
barton
said.
I
think
sweden
creek
is
too
overloaded
for
any
more
neighborhoods
as
it
currently
stands,
so
if
there
is
any
way
to
make
this,
the
park's
land
use
zoning
I'd
be
much
more
comfortable
with
that.
Personally,
thank
you.
B
A
B
Not
necessarily,
I
mean
the
development
of
the
property
for
a
part
like
say
you
wanted
to
put
a
swimming
pool.
I
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
the
parks
department's
intentions
are
for
the
property,
but
say
you
wanted
to
do
something
like
a
swimming
pool
or
a
recreation
center
it.
It
would
still
have
to
comply
with
the
same
tree
protection
standards
that
any
other
private
development
would
have
to
comply
with.
It
doesn't
inherently
say
that
all
of
the
canopy
on
the
property
would
be
preserved.
Just
because
it's
I
mean
it.
We
it
should.
C
Miss
tuck
is-
and
I
was
just
about
to
try
to
look
up
the
all
of
those
future
land
use
map
designations,
the
one
that
commissioner
barton
mentioned
the
open
space
it
is,
I
mean,
is
that
the
correct
word
designation,
or
do
you
have
that
handy
to
let.
C
E
I
I
believe,
that's
parks
and
open
space.
That's
how
it's
listed
on
the
gis
platform.
C
C
I
C
Okay
thanks
and
actually
I'm
looking
yeah,
so
we
would
need
on
the
motion
to
make
sure
so
in
the
motion
where
it
says
residential
neighborhood,
we'll
just
replace
that
with
future
land
use
map
designation
of
open
space
or
parks
open
space.
E
I
moved
to
approve
the
initial
zoning
request
to
residential
single-family
load
density,
rs2
and
a
future
land
use
map
designation
of
parks,
open
space
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable,
is
in
the
public
interest
and
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
other
adopted
plans
in
the
following
ways.
The
initial
zoning
will
one
support:
orderly
growth
and
development
by
assigning
a
zoning
and
land
use
designation
as
compatible
with
surrounding
properties
and
two
supports
locating
parks
and
recreation
facilities
in
parts
of
the
city
currently
underserved
by
these
facilities.
D
C
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
I'll.
Do
another
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
bubenik
hi,
commissioner
faircloth
hi,
commissioner
barton.
E
F
J
C
Thank
you
for
that.
Miss
tuck
and
I
believe
we
only
have
one
more
item
left.
Is
that
correct,
as
we
skip
over
that?
So
the
last
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
request
to
review
a
proposed
zoning
text,
amendment
to
chapter
7
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
for
the
purpose
of
updating
standards
related
to
hotel
development.
C
B
Sorry
about
that.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
introduction.
So
this
next
item
on
your
agenda
is
a
zoning
text
amendment
to
the.
B
I
don't
know
how
that
keeps
happening.
I
apologize
so
little
background
this
ordinance.
This
is
part
of
or
an
amendment,
to
ordinance
number
4855,
which
was
adopted
in
february
of
this
year
earlier
this
year,
which
established
development
standards
and
review
processes
for
hotels.
So
back
in
february
there
it
was
actually
a
two
that
initiative
involved.
Two
zoning
actions
one
was
to
create
these
development
standards
and
review
process
for
hotels.
The
other
was
to
do
a
zoning
map
amendment
that
established
a
new
hotel
overlaid
district.
B
So
if
you
want
to
construct
a
hotel,
it
must
be
located
in
that
overlay
district.
For
the
first
item
on
your
agenda
this
evening,
the
50
collier,
you
saw
the
map
that
ms
vertinsky
had
provided
that
showed
the
that
the
proper
the
subject
property
was
located
in
that
overlay.
So
the
amendment
that's
before
you
this
evening
is
only
to
the
text.
B
It's
it's
very
common
for
council
to
ask
staff
to
come
back
after
six
months
or
eight
months
or
some
appropriate
time
period
and
and
provide
a
report
just
kind
of
a
status
report
on
how
things
are
going
and
to
offer
any
observations.
So
we
provided
that
report
in
september
and
made
several
observations
and
recommendations
for
some
changes
and
clarifications
to
the
new
code
council
received
the
information
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
asked
for
was
for
staff
to
return
with
a
zoning
text,
amendment
addressing
those
clarifications
that
were
identified.
B
I
feel
like
somebody's
messing
with
me
and
they're
muting
me,
so
there
are
four
changes
to
the
code
that
are
being
proposed.
Three
of
the
four
are
really
simple
clarifications.
The
first
one
is
actually
probably
the
most
significant,
and
that
is
some
revisions
to
the
definitions
for
large
small
and
extended
stay
hotels.
B
I'd
like
to
just
sort
of
quickly
go
through
a
summary
of
those
changes
and
then
come
back
to
this
first
one
for
a
little
bit
the
deeper
dive
or
to
ask
and
answer
any
other
questions
that
you
may
have,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
it
quickly.
First
just
know
that
I'll
come
back
and
offer
a
little
bit
more
context.
B
B
B
Are
to
clarify
that
off
street
parking
is
required
for
hotels
when
they're
located
in
the
central
business
district.
We
saw
that
application
earlier,
50
collier
they
provided
their
parking.
This
is
actually
how
we
have
always
interpreted
the
code,
but
in
reviewing
these
projects
we
noticed
that
there
was
this.
There
was
room
for
a
different
interpretation,
and
so
we
just
wanted
to
like
clarify
and
close
the
door
and
make
sure
that
nobody
thinks
that
they
don't
have
to
provide
off-street
parking,
because
it
is
a
requirement.
We've
never
had
anybody
challenge
us
on
this.
B
B
The
third
change
is
to
clarify
that
hotels
that
are
under
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet
may
be
reviewed
as
either
level
one
or
level
two,
depending
on
their
square
footage
and
their
appropriate
threshold.
The
way
the
code
is
written
now,
it
says,
if
you're
over
a
hundred
thousand
you're
a
conditional
zoning
if
you're
under
a
hundred
thousand
you're
level
two-
and
I
think
most
hotels
under
a
hundred
thousand
will
be
level
twos.
B
But
it's
possible
that
you
could
have
a
very
small
boutique
hotel
like
say
in
baltimore,
village
or
someplace
else
in
the
city,
not
in
the
downtown.
That
is
small
enough
to
be
classified
as
a
level
two
they're,
both
ministerial
staff
review.
It's
you
know
it
doesn't
it
doesn't
have
to
be.
B
You
know,
I
don't
think,
there's
any
reason
not
to
review
a
very
small
project
as
a
level
one
so
we're
just
making
that
clarification,
and
then
the
last
change
is
to
clarify
that
there
are
dimensional
requirements
for
hotels
when
they're
located
in
the
cbd
or
rad
the
commissioners
who
were
on
the
commission.
When
we
reviewed
the
hotel
standards,
you
may
recall
there's
a
requirement
that
for
all
hotels
in
the
cbd
or
the
rad,
that
50
of
their
street
frontage
be
set
aside
as
a
separate
occupiable
storefront.
B
In
the
downtown
code,
we
have
a
requirement
for
liner
buildings
for
parking
garages
and
it's
it's
a
kind
of
a
similar
like
what
is
the
minimum
depth
that
you
would
want
in
one
of
those
spaces
in
order
for
it
to
be
functional
and
operational
and
in
the
case
of
the
liner
building,
it's
established
at
20
feet.
So
we
are
proposing
to
match
that
for
the
storefronts
and
say
that
they
must
have
a
minimum
depth
of
20
feet.
B
We
are
at
the
same
time,
though,
adding
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
to
say
that
you
know
it
can
kind
of
vary
as
long
as
you
have
an
average
width
of
20
feet.
So
you
saw
earlier,
there
was
a
good
that
was
a
good
example
of
one
of
our
wedge
buildings.
You
know
where
you
may
have
some
of
that
retail
space
or
that
out
or
that
dining
space.
B
You
know
it
might
be
more
triangular
and
shaped,
in
which
case
you
want
an
average
depth
of
20
feet,
but
we're
not
going
to
count
anything
less
than
15
feet.
So,
if
you
get
really
narrow,
we're
not
going
to
count
that
little
that
square
footage
of
those
little
triangles
just
where
it's
deep
enough
to
be
sort
of
functional
and
operational,
so
we're
actually
proposing
that
change
to
both
the
hotel,
storefront
dimension
and
also
to
the
liner
building
dimension.
B
So
that
is
the
summary
of
the
four
changes.
Those
last
three
really
are
kind
of
clarifications.
It
shouldn't
have
any
substantive
change
on
any
of
our
current
applications
or
future
applications.
It's
really
that
first
one
that
is
a
little
more
complicated.
I
do
have
copies
of
the
red,
lined
definitions
that
we
can
go
through
before
I
do
that.
Do
you
have
any
questions
about
the
definitions
or
these
other
changes.
B
A
B
That's
correct,
so
there
has
been
significant
concern
expressed
by
members
of
the
downtown
commission,
the
design
review
committee
and
other
stakeholders
that,
as
the
code
currently
exists,
it
sort
of
serves.
As
this
it's
opened
the
door
for
these
collection
of
short-term
vacation
rentals
or
what
some
people
call
condo
tells
to
kind
of
enter
the
market.
So
with
asheville's
housing
situation
as
it
is,
there's
been
a
desire
to
discourage
those
kind
of
small
projects
that
could
be
housing
rather
than
hotels.
B
If
you
want
to
do
an
actual
boutique
hotel,
we
still
have
the
flexibility
to
do
that.
But
if
you're
going
to
do
the
full
facilities
that
provide
sanitation,
sleeping
and
cooking
accommodations,
then
then
that
needs
to
be
a
dwelling
unit.
Unless
you
are
a
truly
extended
stay
hotel-
and
I
can,
if
you
like-
that's
a
good
segue
for
me
to
kind
of
dive
into
those
definitions.
B
Okay,
I
got
one
thumbs
up
so
yeah.
That's
fine!
If
there
are
no
other
questions
I'll
go
ahead
and
do
that
so
the
first
definition
for
hotel
small,
that's
probably
the
one
that
changes.
The
least
one
thing.
That's
consistent
with
all
the
definitions
is
we're
removing
the
end
which
may
contain
ancillary
facilities
or
services
such
as
restaurants,
bars,
coffee
shops,
spas,
we're
taking
those
out
not
because
a
hotel
can't
have
them.
They
can
still
have
all
of
those
things,
but
because
those
are
actually
separate
uses.
B
So
we
define
eating
and
drinking
establishments
as
a
separate
land
use.
We
define
spas
as
a
separate
land
use
and
those
are
features
that
commonly
attract
people
who
other
members
of
the
public
people
who
are
not
staying
in
the
hotel
as
lodgers.
So
those
are
other
sort
of
publicly
available
facilities.
So
again,
a
hotel
can
still
choose
to
incorporate
those
elements,
but
when
they
do,
then
it
almost
becomes
more
of
a
mixed-use
project.
So
it's
not
just
a
hotel.
B
B
We're
replacing
the
restaurant
dining,
you
know
with
dining
areas,
a
lot
of
hotels
commonly
have
an
area
to
kind
of
sit
they
may
they
may
offer
a
continental
breakfast
or
a
complimentary
breakfast
and
they
may
have
a
dining
area.
That's
not
uncommon,
so
we
added
that.
But
then
the
other
main
change
is
that
last
sentence.
B
This
definition
shall
not
include
extended
state
hotels
and
I'm
going
to
explain
why
here
with
the
next
definition,
so
hotel
large,
I'm
just
going
to
read
it,
for
you
means
a
commercial
lodging
establishment
under
single
management
with-
and
this
is
some
of
the
new
text-
a
dedicated
lobby.
We
had
previously
included
the
on-site
supervisory
personnel,
but
now
we're
clarifying
that
they
need
to
be
present
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week.
B
This
is
one
of
the
distinguishing
things
that
we
had
saw
with.
Some
of
those
applications
is,
if
you
know,
if
we
look
at
extended,
stay
hotels
or
other
large
hotels
generally
across
the
city,
they
they
all,
have
those
dedicated
lobbies
where
you
go
and
you
check
in
they
have
on-site
staff
24-7.
B
These
other
extended
stay
projects
were
really
a
lot
of.
It
was
a
lot
of
it.
They
operated
like
short-term
vacation
rentals,
you
check
yourself
in
they
may
have
a
lobby.
Some
of
them
did
some
of
them
didn't,
but
they
wouldn't
necessarily
man
that
lobby
24
7..
B
So
we
felt
like
that
was
one
of
the
distinguishing
features
in
order
to
help
support
the
the
staff
you
know.
In
order
to
include
those
features,
we
felt
that
there
was
a
critical
mass
that
was
needed
in
speaking
with
hoteliers
in
the
city
they
felt
like
in
order
to
staff
a
lobby
24
7,
you
really
needed
a
minimum
room.
B
Again.
That
is
a
common
operational
function.
Is
that
you
have
your
your
housekeeping
staff.
We
didn't
go
so
far
as
to
say
with
laundry
facilities.
We
just
said
facilities
for
housekeeping.
We
know
that
there
are
some
hotels
that
will
contract
out
their
their
laundering,
but
they
still
have
their
in-house
housekeeping
staff.
They
have
storage
areas
for
the
linens
and
towels.
They
have
supply
rooms,
they
have
break
rooms
for
those
staff.
B
Things
of
that
nature,
so
that
we
feel
is
a
defining
feature
of
a
large
hotel
and
then
the
rest
is
is
largely
the
same,
except
for
removing
the
restaurant
bars
coffee
shops
just
like
we
did
with
the
other,
and
then
you
can
see.
The
last
sentence
remains
the
same.
This
definition
shall
include
extended,
stay
hotels.
B
The
last
definition
now
that
we're
putting
extended
stay
hotels
within
the
subset
of
large
hotels.
We
can
now
simplify
this
definition.
To
just
say,
an
ex
a
an
extended
state
hotel
is
a
large
hotel
under
single
management
containing
36
or
more
individual
units
or
suites,
each
providing
accommodations
for
sleeping
sanitation
and
kitchen.
That's
really
what
makes
an
extended
stay
different
from
typical
hotel
is
that
it
provides
those
sort
of
complete
suite
of
facilities,
so
the
not
just
a
bed
and
a
bathroom.
You
now
also
have
a
kitchen
oftentimes.
B
B
So
again,
if
you're,
a
true
extended
stay
hotel
offering
that
many
units
under
common
management,
with
your
in-house
housekeeping
facilities
with
your
24
7
lobby,
then
we
think
you
you
meet
that
definition.
I
My
question
is:
how
did
we
get
to
the
definition
of
seven
rooms
on
the
like
the
small
hotels,
because
somebody
could
have
like
an
airbnb
where
they
have
like
seven
rooms?
I
And
so
I
just
kind
of
I
just
want
to
know
how
we
got
to
that
one.
B
So
if
you
are
an
airbnb
you're
going
to
have
the
kitchen
facility,
which
is
going
to
make
you
either
a
residential
dwelling
unit
or
an
extended
stay
hotel,
so
if
you
have
only
seven
or
if
you
have
somewhere
between
seven
and
35
you're,
not
going
to
be
able
to
provide
kitchen
facilities,
these
can't
be
extended,
stay
units
that
seven
number
came.
That
was
part
of
the
original
analysis.
B
That
said,
I
think
two
to
six
guest
rooms,
something
like
that,
so
it
was
kind
of
like
taking
it
up
to
the
next
step
is
like:
if
you
you
could
be
an
airbnb
if
you
had
only
six
rooms,
but
if
you
were
seven
or
more,
you
were
going
to
become
a
hotel.
I
A
Yeah
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
miss
tuck,
I
think
that
also
had
to
do
with
the
definition
of
a
bed
and
breakfast
in
north
carolina.
I
think,
or
that.
B
J
Let's
talk
so
I
see
that
restaurant
bars
coffee
shops
have
been
replaced
with
dining
areas.
Does
that
mean
that
these
hotels
aren't
able
to
provide
those
amenities
or
that
they
just
need
to
be
in
a
broader?
You
know,
area.
B
Yeah,
so
it
is,
this
is
just
the
definition.
So
all
we're
doing
here
is
saying
this
is
what
we
think
a
hotel
is,
so
it
does
not
prevent
a
hotel
from
having
a
restaurant
or
a
bar
or
a
coffee
shop
or
a
spa
or
a
gift
shop,
or
you
know
things
like
that.
It's
only
because,
in
our
set
of
definitions,
you
know
we
define
hotel
one
way,
we
define
restaurant
or
eating
and
drinking
establishment.
Another
way
we
define
spa
separately.
B
Those
are
all
separate
land
uses,
so
we
define
them
separately,
it
doesn't
mean
they
can't
coexist.
It
just
means
that
they're
described
differently,
so
we
just
thought
it
kind
of
muddied
the
the
definition
and
it
wasn't
necessary.
So
we
replaced
we
added
dining
areas
just
because
we
wanted
to
make
it
clear
that
a
number
of
hotels
won't
have
a
restaurant,
but
they'll
have
you
know
a
a
kind
of
like
a
kitchen
area
where
they'll
warm
food
or
store
food
for
like
a
continental
breakfast,
or
something
like
that.
H
I'm
sorry,
commissioner
archibald
sorry,
let's
get
this
thing
up
right,
quick.
H
Yeah
the
chip
said:
okay,
make
sure
I'm
doing
this
right.
I
moved
to
prove
the
proposed
wording,
amendment
so
to
chapter
seven
of
the
udo
and
find
that
the
proposed
amendments
are
reasonable
in
the
public
interest
and
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
that
they
encourage
responsible
growth
by
developing
clear
and
comprehensive
development
standards
to
promote
great
architecture
and
urban
design,
to
enhance
place,
making
in
three
active,
comprehensive
study
of
lodging
facilities
and
their
impact
by
developing
new
policies
for
hotel
development.
J
C
Was
that
commissioner
simmons
that
seconded
okay
thanks
all
right
I'll,
do
a
roll
call
vote?
Commissioner
hoke
hi,
commissioner
barton
aye,
commissioner
bubenik.
I
J
J
C
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
presentation.
Miss
tuck.
I
believe
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
agenda
items.
The
next
scheduled
meeting
for
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
is
set
for
december
1st
2021..
D
C
Conversation
or
discussion
among
the
commissioners
I'll
take
a
motion.
B
To
adjourn
yes,
I'm
sorry,
I
just
noticed
a
chat
from
avery.
Did
we
open
the
public
comment.
C
I
was
hoping
that
you
would
have.
Thank
you
very
much.
You
know
it's
we're
gonna
get
the
hang
of
these
virtual
meetings.
One
of
these
days.
I
think
at
some
point,
so
you
know
we
went
from
that,
not
taking
it
to
now,
taking
it
and
then
yeah
it's
been
kind
of
anyway.
C
C
Yeah
yeah
all
right
yeah,
if
there's
no
other
discussion
or
anything
I'll
I'll,
take
a
motion
to
adjourn.