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From YouTube: Historic Resources Commission – March 8, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Historic Resources Commission.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/planning-urban-design/historic-resources/historic-resources-commission/
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B
A
Demolitions,
new
construction
and
other
work
within
historic
districts
or
for
the
alteration
and
demolition
of
historic
landmarks
and
other
duties,
including
preliminary
review
of
subdivisions,
as
specified
by
the
ordinance
for
the
HRC
I'm.
Going
to
now
ask
our
commission
members
and
staff
to
introduce
themselves
and
say
a
quick
moment
about
what's
brought
them
to
serve
on
the
HRC
HRC
cert.
J
B
A
Before
we
get
started
like
to
welcome
Maggie
Allman
to
our
meeting,
she
is
a
newest
city,
council,
member
and
she
is
liaison
to
the
HRC
board,
so
welcome.
I
know
you've
been
for
a
couple
of
meetings
now
and
a
little
busy,
so
we
have
not
properly
welcomed
you.
So
we
appreciate
the
no
worries,
I'll
just
say
a.
L
Quick
way
too,
hey
from
Ruby
who
officially
doesn't
care
what
this
is
about.
L
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
guess:
I
can
leave
my
cards
here.
If
anyone
needs
to
get
in
touch
with
me,
I
mean
my
emails
on
the
city
website,
but
I
also
have
my
cell
phone
on
my
card,
so
I'm
really
available
via
texture
to
meet
at
any
time.
If
there's
stuff
that
you
want
to
talk
about
related
to
the
commission,
let's
do
it.
If
there's
stuff,
you
want
to
talk
about
related
to
other
stuff
that
relates
to
the
city.
Let's
do
it.
G
A
We're
going
to
now
begin
the
evidentiary
hearings
for
the
items
listed
on
our
agenda
as
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
HRC
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
The
HR
nature
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district
for
that
application.
The
HRC
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
the
relevant
guidelines
in.
A
H
A
Is
open
to
the
public,
but
participation
is
limited
to
interested
parties
who
wish
to
provide
comment
and
testimony
regarding
the
proposal,
if
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historic
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion.
Witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony
at
this
time.
I
will
con
administer
the
oath
for
all
individuals
who
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony
today,
so
applicants
and
other
folks
that
plan
to
speak
on
behalf
of
a
particular
application
can
all
come
efforts.
Please.
A
You
can
raise
your
right
hands
good.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
preliminary
subdivision
approval
for
the
historic
Resources
Commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing?
But
the
truth.
Do
you.
A
N
Thank
you,
chair
kite
and
members
of
the
commission
I'm
going
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
brief
recap.
I
know,
I
think
everyone
was
here
at
the
last
meeting,
so
I'll
just
make
this
super
short
and
sweet.
So
this
is
a
newly
created
lot
that
was
carved
out
of
30
Watauga
Street.
You
can
see
the
parcel
map
on
the
top
left.
The
subject
property
is
highlighted
in
Red,
so
it's
along
this
newly
improved
Alleyway
behind
or
parallel
to
Watauga
Street.
This
is
the
the
main
house.
N
That's
fronting
on
Wataga
Street
as
a
refresher
in
your
packet.
Just
so
you
guys
aren't
confused
when
the
initial
resubmittal
came
in.
There
was
a
question
as
to
whether
or
not
they
would
it's
kind
of
complicated,
but
because
this
was
a
major
subdivision.
N
This
parcel,
when
it
was
proposed,
was
landlocked
and
if
you're
going
to
propose
a
subdivision
for
a
new
lot,
it
has
to
have
Road
Frontage,
and
so
they
had
to
improve
the
alleyway
as
part
of
their
subdivision
approval
and
because
of
the
amount
of
paved
area
calculation
in
the
alley
and
proposed
on
the
lot
there
was.
If
you
exceed
50
pervious
Area,
you
have
to
meet
stormwater
requirements
and
provide
a
buyer
retention
area,
which
there
was
some
question
as
to
whether
that
was
going
to
be
required
when
the
resubmittal
came
in.
N
So
they
were,
there's
a
Reese
there's
a
revised
set
of
plans
in
there
that
show
without
the
The
Little
Garage
structure.
But
since
then
it's
gone
back
the
other
way
and
they
aren't
required
to
meet
the
storm
water
requirement.
So
then
there's
a
third
resubmittal
that
has
the
or
the
second
resubmittal
that
has
the
a
little
garage
structure
added
back
end,
so
just
to
make
sure
you
all
understood
what
was
happening
in
your
plan
set.
This
is
the
revised
front
elevation.
N
We
spent
a
good
bit
of
time
last
last
meeting
talking
about
the
little
Dormer
slash,
Gable,
end
porch,
that
is
projecting
off
of
the
front
elevation
of
the
little
accessory
structure.
I
think
there
was
General
discussion
about
some
ideas
about
how
it
might
be
improved
and
better
be
consistent
with
the
primary
structure
and
really
the
structure
itself.
It's
sort
of
slightly
off
center,
but
not
wholly.
The
porch
projection
wasn't
very
deep
based
on
the
setbacks
for
the
lot.
So
there's
definitely
some
constraints
here.
I
still
am
having
a
little
bit
of
trouble.
N
Finding
a
relationship
between
the
two
structures
to
be
honest,
I
I,
think
they're,
like
we
agreed
I.
Think
last
time,
I
came
to
the
consensus
last
time
that
the
structure
is
pretty
far
away
from
the
main
house,
but
I
still
think
the
standard
is
clear
that
has
to
have
some
relationship
with
that
primary
structure
that
it
was
subdivided
from
and
I'm
to
me.
I'm
I'm
still
not
sure,
there's
architecturally
anything
about
this
building.
That
kind
of
speaks
to
the
main
house,
so
I'll
leave
that
open
for
discussion.
N
I
I
did
just
include
all
the
elevations
here,
just
as
a
point
of
reference.
None
of
the
other
elevations
have
changed
just
based
on
the
discussion
from
last
time
and
then
I
did
a
side
by
side
of
my
slides
of
this,
the
primary
structure
and
the
little
accessory
structure
and
I
think
part
of
aside
from
now
the
way
that
the
that
has
been
redesigned
and
the
front
porch
area
the
window
placement
is
is
kind
of
odd
because
you
have
like
these
two
windows
kind
of
space,
this
much
apart.
N
So
yeah
that
was
my
main
concern.
I
think
I
did
ask
were
a
few
additional
items,
including
the
garage
door.
Specs
example:
image
of
the
proposed
folder
wall
in
the
backyard,
and
then
we
still
need
the
mechanical
unit
specifications.
These
are
all
minor
things
that
we
could
review
down
the
road
as
conditions
if
you
all
were
comfortable
with
staff
looking
at
those,
but
just
noting
those
in
the
report
that
those
items
are
still
outstanding.
So
any
questions
for
me.
N
Did
they
didn't
exceed
the
50
threshold
of
paved
area?
They
like
calculated
the
amount
of
paved
area
with
the
roadway
and
then
the
footprint
of
the
new
features
in
the
driveway
and
walkways.
Like
anything,
that's
I
guess
the
walkways
are
impervious,
but
anything
that's
or
sorry.
Anything
that's
impervious
is
calculated
is
kind
of
like
if
you
meet
this
50
percent
I'm.
N
O
Hi
I'm,
Diana,
belgau
and
I'm
the
architect
for
the
project
and
I,
usually
don't
deal
with
subdivisions
either.
But
my
understanding
is
that
when
you're
creating
a
major
subdivision
that
there's
a
limitation,
if
you
have
more
than
50
percent
impervious,
that's
including
all
Road
structures,
Etc
that
stormwater
kicks
in
on
this
project.
They
consider
that
to
include
anything
on
the
newly
formed
lot
and
anything
in
the
city's
right-of-way.
Where
the
alley
was
so
the
the
back
and
forth
about
it
was
originally
I.
O
Guess
there
was
an
approved
alley
that
was
12
foot
wide
and
then
it
changed
to
10.
Foot
wide
later
plans
showed
the
alley
stopping
not
going
the
full
length
in
front
of
this
lot.
So
there's
is
the
amount
of
Pavement
in
the
alley
was
kind
of
a
moving
Target,
but
the
requirement
for
the
buyer
retention
would
have
taken
up
a
lot
on
a
very
little
site.
O
So
we
were
trying
to
avoid
that
and
in
the
end
this
subdivision
approval
needed
to
be
revised
because
they
reduced
the
width
of
the
alley
to
10
feet
and
that
wasn't
shown
on
approved
plans.
And
so
when
we
did
the
calculations
at
that
point,
the
civil
engineer,
just
as
preliminary
thought,
we
were
over
the
amount
and
therefore
we
wouldn't
be
able
we
needed
to
reduce
it
by
like
615
square
feet,
which
is
basically
our
garage
plus
a
little
bit
of
driveway.
O
So
that's
why
we
submitted
that
first
set
of
plans,
thinking
that
we
just
needed
to
get
there
and
then,
when
he
did
his
full
calculations
and
extended
the
alley
the
full
length
of
this
lot.
He
determined
that
we're
just
under
50
percent
and
so
like
regular
residential
lots.
It's
there
is
no
requirement
it's
because
of
the
major
subdivision
that
created
this
particular
lot,
that
the
buyer
retention
would
and,
and
normally
also
subdivisions
are.
You
know,
multiple
Lots.
O
And
then
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to,
we
did
bring
along
I,
didn't
submit
them
to
you,
our
garage
door,
our
mechanical
equipment
and
a
photo
example
of
another
Boulder
wall.
That's
being
built
by
this
contractor,
the
thing
I
would
say:
I
can
we
can
put
them
up,
but
the
problem
is
because
their
windows
are
black
and
their
garage
door
will
be
black.
It
might
be
better
to
pass
them
around.
I,
don't
yeah,
so
that's
all
of
them
groups
together
for
review
the
one
thing
I
would
say
with
this
particular
garage
door.
O
We
believe
that
it
is
a
smooth
metal,
but
we
need
to
verify
that.
So,
if
it's
a
look,
that's
agreeable
to
the
commission
I
think
we
should
maybe
still
include
in
the
approval
something
saying
you
know
pending
confirmation
that
this
is
smooth
metal
and
not
wood
embossed
it.
We
think
it
is,
but
we
have
not
gotten
a
response
back
from
the
folks
at
Lowe's,
so
we're
holding
off
on
that
and
then,
as
far
as
the
modifications
from
the
last
time.
O
So
what
we
did
is
we
took
that
Dormer,
because
it
was
we
discussed
that
it
was.
You
know,
kind
of
insignificant
and
made
the
building.
Look
too
long
and
ranch-like
in
a
house
a
single
floor
house
on
this
property
is
going
to
be
long
physically
by
nature,
but
trying
to
give
the
front
more
interest.
We
pulled
the
Dormer
forward
so
that
it
kind
of
created
a
porch
that
extends
slightly
Beyond
the
front
face
front
wall
of
the
building.
O
We
talked
last
time
about
the
siding
being
different
and
it
was
preferred
for
it
to
be
different
from
the
main
house,
not
also
shake
siding,
so
we're
still
doing
the
lap
siding
here,
the
dormer's
not
in
the
middle,
but
I
would
argue
that
on
the
main
structure
that
we're
basing
this
on,
you
know
it's
not
a
fully
symmetrical
building
either
and
we
were
trying
to
emulate
that
building
in
terms
of
the
slope
of
the
roof
and
the
main
hip,
which
is
the
the
larger
portion
of
the
roof
using
the
six
over
one
Windows,
which
is
a
detail
used
on
that
structure.
O
Mimicking
it
in
terms
of
using
similar
detailing
in
the
columns
and
also
just
if
you
look
at
the
the
front
elevation
of
the
Wataga
house
and
this
we're
using
the
same
sort
of
window
pattern.
If
you
look
on
the
porch
on
the
make
sure
my
right
side
is
your
right
side
as
you're
looking
at
it,
sorry
I
get
confused.
O
But
if
you
look
on
the
right
side
of
the
Watauga
house,
they
have
a
double
window
underneath
the
little
hip
extension
and
on
the
left
side
they
have
two
separated
windows,
and
so
we
were
just
trying
to
you
know
these.
These
are
two
different
buildings.
They're
120
feet
apart.
This
one
faces
an
alley
that
one
faces
a
major
thoroughfare
and
there's
a
woodlands
in
between
them
and
a
valley.
So
they
you
know
it's
not
going
to
look.
O
It's
gonna
look
like
it
was
a
separate
small
structure
for
grandma
or
whatever
that
someone
built
on
this
property.
It's
not
gonna
really
ever
because
of
its
siding.
Look
like
you
know
the
garage
or
something
that
was
always
in
use
by
the
people
who
lived
in
Watauga
and
I.
Think
last
time
we
discussed
a
lot
about
how
the
other
structures
along
this
alley
are
kind
of
doing.
You
know
similar
sighting
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
so
we
think
that
this
is
an
appropriate
look.
We
also
discussed
adding
handrails
or
railings
on
this
porch.
O
The
thing
I
would
say
that
owners
don't
want
railings
because
of
the
maintenance
required
with
wood
railings
and
also
because
it's
a
really
it's
not
a
very
deep
porch.
It's
only
seven
foot
deep
and
then
you're
gonna
have
a
railing,
so
it
just
it's
going
to
feel
very
enclosed.
It's
got
a
very
high
ceiling.
Additionally,
historically
in
Montford
many
houses
buildings
have
wood.
Railings
typically
with
pickets
is
very
common,
but
there
are
also
a
number
of
examples
of
existing
historic
structures
that
do
not
that
it
when
they,
the
porch,
is
low
to
the
ground.
O
There
are
many
examples:
I
can
I
photographed.
Five
I
only
have
a
photo
of
one
with
me,
where
railings
were
not
part
of
the
historic
structure,
so
we're
thinking,
especially
since
this
was
a
building
on
an
alley
and
not
a
main
building.
It
wouldn't
have
been
as
decorative
or
articulated
as
a
main
structure
on
a
major
thoroughfare,
so
we
think
that
this
is
an
appropriate
design
for
this.
So
guess,
that's
all
I
can
think
of
to
say
unless
there's
any
questions.
O
We're
we're
under
30
inches
and
realistically
you
know
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
room
if
we
look
at
a
plan
and
I'm.
Sorry
I'm
really
bad
at
using
your
thing
here,
but
basically
that
porch
only
sticks
out
like
two
feet.
So
it's
like
a
little
Gap
and
column
so
nobody's
like
fallen
off
that
side.
G
O
N
E
H
A
It
is
kind
of
an
accessory
relationship,
but
it's
also
its
own
property.
It's
not
a
normal
accessory
structure,
relationship
that
we
that
we
have
certain
things
of
you
numerous
times
on
throughout
Montford
and
I
I
think
I
attend
I
tend
to
lean
in
that
direction
as
well
and
I.
I
appreciate
the
articulation
of
that
by
the
architect
in
terms
of
the
efforts
that
they
have
tried
to
make
to
reference
to
reference
back
to
the
photography
Street
house.
G
I
tend
to
agree
as
well,
particularly
since
the
way
this
use
these
new
structures
are
situated
with
the
existing
building
on
Wataga
Street.
You
wouldn't
really
see
them
side
by
side.
They're,
almost
back,
you
know
their
backs,
face
each
other
and
then
there's
there's
wooded
land
between
them.
So
I
don't
tend
to
feel
that
it's.
You
know
the
fact
that
they're,
not
kind
of
similar
I,
don't
think
would
be
very
apparent.
G
K
E
M
Okay,
thank
you.
Madam,
chair,
based
on
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Four
pages
exhibit
B
new
construction,
worksheet
four
pages
Exhibit
C
photos
of
subject
property,
Nine
Pages,
exhibit
D
site
plans.
Three
pages
exhibit
e
plans
and
drawings.
M
Six
pages
exhibit
F
manufacturer
specifications,
26
pages,
including
the
materials
submitted
at
the
meeting
this
evening,
exhibit
G
revised
site
plan
received
February
3rd
2023
exhibit
H
Sanborn
fire
Insurance
Maps,
two
pages
added
by
staff,
February
6
2023
exhibit
I
revised
front
elevation
received
February
6
2023
exhibit
J
streetscape
drawing
received
February
6
2023
exhibit
K
lighting
specifications.
Six
pages
received
February
6
2023
exhibit
L
garage
door
specifications.
Two
pages
received
February
6
2023
exhibit
M
revised
new
construction
worksheet
four
pages
received
February
7
2023,
exhibit
n
revised
landscape
plans.
M
N
The
retaining
wall
example
in.
M
Exhibit
T
the
retaining
wall
example
with
the
Rocks
specified
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
the
subject
Properties
by
all
members.
M
Sixteen
hundred
and
fifty
square
foot
primary
structure
with
stucco
Foundation,
smooth
LP
Smart
Siding
with
six
inch
reveal
smooth
LP
trim
and
CertainTeed
Landmark
asphalt,
shingle
roof
in
colonial
slate
color.
The
front
entry
will
be
within
a
small
inset
porch,
with
a
10
inch
by
10
inch,
wood
support,
columns,
wood
steps
and
stucco
pure
Foundation
screen.
M
Wood
windows
will
be
black
Sun
aluminum,
clad
six
over
one
simulated,
divided,
light,
double
hung
and
six
light
s.
Simulated
body,
like
casement
doors,
will
be
black
single
light,
aluminum
clad
it
will
construct.
They
will
construct
a
new
one
story,
529
square
foot,
accessory
structure
with
materials
and
features
matching
the
primary.
The
new
primary
structure.
Garage
doors
will
be
black
steel
with
transoms
structure
will
have
a
reduced
four
foot
side
setback
per
flexible
development
standards.
M
They
will
construct
an
18
foot
wide,
concrete
driveway
from
the
alley
to
the
accessory
structure
and
construct
a
crushed
stone
walkways
edged
with
brick,
between
structures
and
driveway,
and
primary
structure,
construct
a
stone
retaining
wall
adjacent
to
the
rear.
Elevation
of
the
new
primary
structure
install
one
mechanical
unit
adjacent
to
rear
elevation,
remove
16,
mature
trees
to
accommodate
the
construction.
The
foundation
plantings
will
be
installed.
Ground
cover
must
be
established
within
15
days
of
completion
of
construction,
and
the
remainder
of
the
Landscaping
must
be
installed
within
three
years.
M
If
archaeological
resources
are
discovered
during
site,
work,
work
will
cease
until
the
city
staff
have
been
notified
and
have
inspected
the
site.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
May
convince
commence
that
the
standards
for
new
construction,
primary
structures
found
on
pages
92
to
93,
Carriage,
Houses
garages
and
accessory
structures
on
pages
34
to
35
walkways
driveways
and
off-street
parking
on
pages
50
to
51
landscaping
and
trees.
M
The
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
The
new
primary
structure
is
cited
so
that
it
is
similar
to
the
historic
pattern
in
terms
of
orientation
setback,
retention
of
green
space
and
spacing
between
structures.
New
primary
structure
is
designed
so
that
the
overall
character
of
the
adjacent,
streetscape
and
building
is
maintained.
M
New
primary
structure
is
compatible
in
height,
roof
form,
scale,
massing
footprint,
material,
detail,
fenestration
in
proportion
with
the
surrounding
historic
buildings
and
other
historic
buildings
in
the
district.
The
location
and
size
of
Window
and
Door
openings
are
compatible
in
placement
orientation.
Spacing
proportion,
size
and
scale
with
surrounding
historic
buildings,
materials
and
finishes
are
typical
of
those
found
in
the
district
portion
and
accept
of
the
accessory
structure
is
compatible
with
the
primary
structure
in
terms
of
height
footprint
massing.
M
The
accessory
structure
is
not
more
than
30
percent
of
the
scale
of
the
primary
structure
and
is
not
taller
than
one-third
than
one
and
a
half
Stories.
The
accessory
structure
has
a
traditional
roof
form
materials
and
details
compatible
with
the
primary
structure
and
other
accessory
structures
in
the
district
new
walkways
and
retaining
wall
will
be
compatible
with
a
site
and
District
in
terms
of
Dimension
configuration,
materials,
color
and
texture.
The
protective
fencing
will
be
installed
around
critical
root
zones
of
existing
mature
trees.
M
The
mechanical
unit
will
be
located
on
the
side
and
rear
elevations
and
screened
with
plantings.
Number
four,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruous,
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
Montford
historic
district.
A
Okay,
we're
gonna
move
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda:
we're
into
new
business,
local
Landmark
at
570,
Walton
streets,
the
Walton
Street
Park
start
with
our
staff
report
from
Alex.
N
Okay,
thank
you
so
I
know
we
have
a
fair
amount
of
new
folks,
so
I'm
going
to
just
give
a
little
bit
of
historical
context
about
this
site.
So
Walton
Street
park
is
located
pretty
much
at
the
very
south
of
the
South
Side
neighborhood.
N
N
The
park
kind
of
skipped
over
that
before
I
came
to
talk
to
you,
but
essentially
it
is
a
Historic
Park.
It
does
have
a
pool
and
pool
house
that
are
contributing
resources
to
the
site.
N
The
park
was
actually
designated
as
a
local
Historic
Landmark
back
in
October,
I,
believe
of
2022.
So
it's
our
newest
and
50th,
landmark
in
Buncombe
County,
and
only
one
of
a
very
small
handful
of
landmarks
that
we
have
that
are
specifically
significant
for
their
association
with
African-American
life
in
Asheville.
N
We
embarked
upon
thanks
to
our
parks
department,
who
was
already
well
engaged
with
the
community
and
initiating
a
process
to
get
input
from
the
community
on
improved
Park
amenities.
They
let
us
tack
on
our
community
engagement
for
the
landmark
designation.
So
up.
We
spent
gosh,
probably
close
to
a
year
on
those
engagement
efforts.
We
attended
lots
of
different
events.
Parks
in
particular
were
at
multiple,
multiple
events
throughout
the
months
that
we
were
asking
the
community
to
share
their
thoughts
with
us.
N
So
it
really
was
a
great
opportunity
for
us
that
we
don't
typically
have
to
do
engagement
around
landmarks.
So
all
of
that
being
said,
the
community
was
like
I
think,
maybe
between
80
and
90
percent,
supportive
of
the
landmark
designation.
So
we're
excited
to
see
that,
but
Parks
ask
was
again
the
improved
Parks
amenities
that
they
have
I,
think
500
000
budgeted
to
improve
other
parts
of
the
park,
not
the
pool
or
the
pool
house
at
this
time,
but
other
parts
of
the
park.
N
So
so
this
is
just
a
parcel
map
to
show
you
where
we're
talking
about
and
then
on.
The
next
slide,
I
pulled
out
from
the
application.
N
The
aerial
photo
where
you
can
see
the
pool
and
the
associated
pool
house
next
to
it
again.
Those
are
the
contributing
resources.
If
you
read
The
Landmark
designation
report,
those
are
the
contributing
resources
and
then
there's
the
softball
Diamond
that
you
see
on
your
right:
basketball,
courts,
there's
also
surface
parking
and
a
picnic,
shelter
area
and
then
a
little
playground,
equipment
area
adjacent
to
the
to
the
picnic
shelter.
So
the
softball
diamond
and
the
basketball
court
did
come
later
than
they.
N
Then
the
pool
and
pool
house
so
they're
listed
as
not
contributing
features
over
our
time
engaging
with
the
community.
We
learned
that
the
community
really
doesn't
utilize
the
softball
field,
it's
not
something
that
they
want
to
be
there
I,
don't
think,
because
of
that,
they
really
want
a
feature
that
they're
going
to
to
use,
and
that
will
be
you
know
an
amenity
for
them.
So
the
the
softball
diamond
is
also
partly
on
a
neighboring
parcel.
N
So
it's
not
even
on
this
on
the
park,
not
sure
how
that
happened,
but
so,
in
any
case,
so
as
part
of
this
proposal,
the
parks
department
is
proposing
to
remove
the
baseball
diamond.
So
all
the
fencing,
all
the
lighting
Etc
and
to
replace
it
with
a
walking
Track.
N
N
So
kind
of
hard
to
see,
because
the
plan
is
so
light,
but
on
your
right
hand,
side
is
the
big
there'll,
be
an
asphalt,
walking
path
that
goes
around
like
kind
of
a
grassy
multi-use.
We're
calling
a
multi-use
feel
that
you
know
can
be
used
for
a
variety
of
different
things
and
then
the
baseball
field,
our
baseball
field,
the
basketball
court
at
this
point
in
time
is,
is
oriented
to
be
East-West
facing.
So
if
you're
playing
on
playing
basketball
and
it
might
like,
the
sun
is
going
to
be
in
your
eye
right.
N
So
that
wasn't
very
well
thought
out
and
So
the
plan
is
I'm.
Sorry,
my
foot
is
really
dry
today.
The
plan
is
to
relocate
the
basketball
court
to
be
just
to
the
north
of
the
pool
house
building
and.
N
In
part,
that
was
because
it's
my
understanding
from
talking
with
our
Park
staff
that
the
grading
towards
the
street
side
of
the
property,
the
grade
is
pretty
steep
there.
So,
ideally,
they
could
move
it
over
to
this
area
where
it
would
be
more
flat
and
they
wouldn't
have
to
excavate
as
much
or
regrade
as
much
so
that's
that's.
The
proposal
is
to
relocate
the
basketball
court.
Obviously
we
would
have
all
new
surfacing
with
concrete
walkway
around
it.
N
That
would
then
Connect
into
the
new
the
new
Walking
path
that
would
go
around
the
multi-use
field,
they're,
also
proposing
some
new
site
lighting
I.
Think
it's
a
movie
pictures
every
90
feet
along
the
path.
I
think
is
the
requirement,
but
we've
just
noted
that
we'll
need
to
finalize
lighting
plan
once
that's
available
and
then
they're
also
going
to
replace
the
playground
equipment,
but
the
playground
equipment
has
not
been
selected
yet
they're,
working
with
the
youth
and
the
community
to
try
to
pick
out
which
exact
playground
equipment
they
want.
N
So
I'm,
not
noting
any
concerns,
just
those
couple
of
items
that
we'll
need
down
the
road
whenever
they're
available.
So
any
questions
from
you
all.
I
I
N
M
Alex
are
there
any
plans
to
for
the
parking
to
improve
the
existing
parking,
not.
N
But
to
I
think
a
lot
of
what
we've
been
kind
of
working
with
are
conceptual
plans.
Okay,
and
so
this
may
be
just
a
conceptual
plan
that,
but
that's
not
included
in,
what's
being
proposed
to
you
all
today,
okay,
so
once
I
guess,
whenever
there
ready
to
move
forward
with
that
as
a
change
that
will
come
back,
okay,.
N
Not
yet
there
was
some
Shen
I
think
on
the
first
set
of
plans.
They
submitted
some
kind
of
again.
It
was
conceptual
and
Susanna
and
I
am
Parks
have
since
met
and
clarified
that
you
know
that
you
know
their
conceptual
rendering
is
showing
some
other
things,
but
meant
to
only
include
those
four
things:
the
the
walking
Track
and
multi-use
Field,
the
basketball
court
being
moved
new
playground
equipment,
the
walkway
around
the
basketball
court
and
the
sight
lighting.
N
N
C
I'm
Peter
wall,
the
assistant
director
for
Parks
and
Recreation
for
the
city
of
Asheville
Alex,
did
a
great
job,
presenting
all
the
facts,
so
I
won't
go
over
any
more
of
that,
but
I
will
say
we
are
very
excited
to
be
at
this
point
on
this
project.
I've
been
with
the
parks
department
for
about
10
years
now,
and
this
has
been
a
project
that
has
been
part
of
our
Capital
planning
for
the
all
of
that
time.
So
yeah
we're
excited.
C
A
Open
the
floor
for
public
comment:
there
is
any
predictably
there
is
much
and
we
will
close
the
floor
for
public
comment.
Any
further
discussion
from
commissioners.
G
I
can
all
agree
to
do
the
motion,
so
this
is
also
my
first
one.
It's
a
new
era
easier.
Okay,
so
please,
let
me
know
if
I
need
to
revise
something
Madam
chair,
based
on
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Three
pages
exhibit
B
site
plan
and
photos.
Two
pages
Exhibit
C
Landmark
designation
report,
42
Pages
exhibit
D
Landmark,
designation,
ordinance,
four
pages,
exhibit
e
revised
site
plan
and
photos.
Two
pages
received,
February
28
2023,
exhibit
F
revised
site
plan
and
photos.
G
Two
pages
received:
March
2nd
2023
exhibit
G,
no,
no
except
G.
Okay
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
Cedric
property
by
all
members
except
I,
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one
that
the
applicant
application
is
to
remove
existing
basketball
court
and
construct
new
50-foot
by
84
foot,
paved
basketball
court
with
six
basketball
goals
between
parking
lot
and
pool
house
construct.
G
New
concrete,
paved
walkway
around
Court,
replace
existing
playground,
equipment
with
new
equipment
in
same
location,
remove
softball
diamond
and
lighting
and
install
eight
foot
wide
asphalt,
parking
path.
Around
grassy
multi-use
field
installed
new
12
foot
tall,
Duke,
sanable
LED,
light
fixtures
at
various
locations
around
the
walking
path.
G
Our
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
detached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
May
commence,
two
that
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation,
specifically
the
standards
for
site
and
setting
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
G
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
a
basketball,
court,
baseball
diamond
and
playground
equipment
are
not
contributing
resources
to
the
site,
B
existing
contributing
and
character.
Defining
features
are
being
retained
and
preserved
and
will
retain
their
relationship
to
the
landscape.
G
See
the
historic
relationship
between
buildings
and
Landscape
features
of
the
setting
are
being
retained.
D,
new
or
replaced
features
are
compatible
with
the
historic
character
of
the
site
and
setting
in
terms
of
site.
Excuse
me,
size,
scale,
design,
material,
color
and
texture,
four,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congress
with
a
special
historic
character
of
Walton,
Street,
Park
and
pool
second.
G
N
All
right
moving
along
so
again
just
to
give
you
some
context.
The
parcel
map
on
the
top
left
shows
the
subject:
property
highlighted
in
red.
It's
a
.09
acre
vacant
lot
on
Houston
Street.
N
B
N
Is
here
he
builds
on
the
other
side
on
Cortland.
Some
of
you
probably
remember
that
project
too.
It
was,
has
tricky
tricky
terrain
here.
So
the
lots
are
a
pretty
small
there's,
not
a
lot
of
room
for
parking,
so
they're,
probably
going
to
all
look
pretty
similar
with
with
really
tight
footprint
parking
footprint
right
up
close
to
the
building.
N
So
I'm
just
gonna
go
really
quickly.
I
only
have
a
few
slides
here.
These
are
the
proposed
elevation
drawings.
N
N
You
see
on
the
bottom
right
hand,
side
a
single,
so
you've
got
like
the
divided
light
windows
on
either
side
and
then
the
single
light
window
within
that
sort
of
reads
more
mid-century
to
me,
contemporary
rather
than
truerto
the
historic
fenestration
Styles
found
in
Montford
or
that
work
within
the
period
of
significance,
at
least
so
that
was
really
the
only
thing
that
I
noted
on
the
front
and
then
there,
if
you
see,
there's
a
also
an
entry
door
beyond
the
front
entry
to
the
right
of
it
along
the
driveway
there's
a
secondary
entrance
there
and
also
on
the
rear.
N
Those
two
doors
are
four
light
doors
which
I
think
is
also
kind
of
I.
Don't
think
I've
seen
a
pedestrian
door
with
just
four
lights
in
it
and
mopper
before
so,
and
I
communicated
this
to
the
architect
about
a
different
project
and
he
changed
it
so,
but
I'll
the
property
owners
here
today,
the
architect's
not
here
today
so
I'll.
N
Let
let
him
speak
to
that,
but
I
just
noted
that
perhaps
like
a
eight
light
door
or
or
15
light
door
would
be
more
appropriate
and,
let's
see
they
are
proposing
metal
staining
seam
metal
roof.
In
addition
to
asphalt,
shingle,
that's
not
something
that
the
Commission
in
the
past
has
not
been
supportive
of
because
historically
buildings
in
Montford
only
utilize
one
roofing
material.
N
I
say
that,
with
the
caveat
that
you
all
approved
that
at
the
multi-family
building
on
Elizabeth
place
so
I'm.
Assuming
that
commission
has
some
some
comfort
level
with
it,
but
I
still
need
it
as
a
concern,
because
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
consistent
with
historic,
architectural
Styles
and
modern.
N
N
The
crepe
myrtles
are
not
particularly
I,
think
they're
easy
to
grow
here,
but
they're
I
think
they're,
not
invasive
I,
don't
think,
but
they're
I
would
suggest
a
more
native
friendly
species,
I
guess
and
then
we've
asked
for
a
few
other
items.
Just
the
exact
window
specifications
called
out
revised
site
plan
to
show
the
railing
along
the
driveway.
That's
something
that
I'll.
Let
me
pull
that
up.
I
didn't
think.
N
I
included
that
in
my
in
any
of
the
plans
exactly
so,
you
can
kind
of
see
it
on
the
side
elevation
and
if
you're
looking
North
the
parking.
The
end
of
the
parking
in
the
driveway
has
because
of
the
drop-off.
It
will
have
a
retaining
wall
at
the
end
and
around
the
side,
and
so
you
will
need
to
have
a
railing
on
the
top
of
it,
which
is
kind
of
unusual.
N
If
you
read
the
standards
and
you
consider
it
as
a
fifth,
it's
actually
not
allowed
in
Lawford
not
allowed
to
have
fences
on
top
of
retaining
walls,
but
I
suppose
there's
an
interpretation
you
could
make,
but
it's
a
railing
and
not
a
fence,
and
this
is
kind
of
unusual
we
haven't
had
this
come
up
before.
So
let
me
see
if
I
can
find
something
in
there
plans
that
shows
that
a
little
more
clearly.
A
N
Yeah,
if
you
were
looking
at
the
the
front
on
this
bottom
right
rendering
you
can
see
that
it
is
you
driving
up
the
stream,
then
it
wraps
around
the
side
of
it.
So
we
just
don't
have
a
detail
of
that,
drawing
either
so
I'm,
not
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what
the
alternative
is.
I
guess
and
it
has
to
have
that
for
building
code.
N
So
the
only
alternative
is
to
make
the
wall
taller
and
I.
Don't
know
whether.
N
Just
with
me
in
a
taller
wall,
you
know
which
wouldn't
necessarily
impact
this
property
so
much
as
it
would,
how
you
see
it
from
the
neighboring
property
but
and
you
could
screen
it
with
Landscaping,
but.
N
I
asked
for
some
clarification
on
siding
colors.
It
seems
like
they're
having
multiple
places,
this
kind
of
darker
color
palette.
But
then,
if
you
look
at
the
siding
specs,
they
call
out
different
colors.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
on
that
I
also
wanted
to
know
or
make
sure
I
understand
a
lot
of
times
walkways
and
little
Landings
and
things
are
kind
of
not
top
of
mind
when
you're
this
early
on
in
a
design
of
a
project.
N
So
they
don't
need
a
railing
which
is
fine,
I'm,
not
knowing
anything
about
that.
But
then,
where
do
you
go
like?
Are
you
just
walking
out
into
the
grass?
Are
you
going
into
a
walkway
what's
happening
here,
so
that
I
think
we
need
to
get
clear
on?
We
need
Stone
sample
and,
as
always
mechanical
unit
specifications.
So
that's
that's
when
they
can
leave
that
out
of
this
approval
too.
If
they
want
to
and
just
apply
for
minor
work
down
the
road
when
they're
ready,
if
that's
better
for
their
timeline,
so.
A
It's
presuming
that
this
that's
a
long
list
of
items,
although
are
you
comfortable
with
all
of
those
being
staff
level
things.
N
Yeah
definitely
at
that
point
today.
Yes,
definitely
I
think
as
long
as
you
are
fine
of
waves,
where
you're,
okay,
with
whatever's
happening
with
the
railing
I,
think
all
it's
all
just
little
just
little
details
that
we
need
for
our
file
and
not
necessarily
anything,
that's
substantive
and
then
I
did
also
just
include
in
my
slides,
probably
easier
for
you
to
see
in
your
packet.
But
this
is
their
streetscape,
rendering
just
to
show
the
building
and
context
this
section
of
my
favorite
Brown.
N
Actually
this
is
one
of
my
favorite
parts
of
Montfort,
because
just
the
styles
of
houses
are
so
different,
so
I
think
there's
certainly
brand
for
creativity
and
design
style.
I
did
when
I
first
met
met
with
the
applicant
I,
did
sort
of
have
a
little
bit
of
heartburn
about
the
front,
entryway
being
that
more
kind
of
pronounced
or
having
more
of
a
presence
on
the
front
elevation.
N
But
in
thinking
back
in
some
of
the
other
approvals
of
commissions
issued
in
recent
times,
I
I
don't
think
it's
kind
of
out
of
line
with
those,
but.
B
K
M
M
M
My
second
question
is
about
the
railing.
I
was
looking
at
the
guidelines
for
fences
and
walls
and
the
one
that
specifically
cited
that
fences
cannot
be
located
on
top
of
retaining
walls.
It
specifies
in
front
yards
now.
A
portion
of
this
is
in
the
front
yard,
but
it's
on
the
side
of
the
property.
So
a
question
I
have
about
interpreting
the
guidelines
is:
was
that
intended
to
mean
at
the
front
of
the
property
when
the
guideline
was
written
or
was
it
meant
to
be
in
any
portion
of
the
front
yard?
It's.
B
M
Then,
where
is
the
side
yard
lot
line
relative
to
the
retaining
wall?
Nearly.
A
N
I
On
the
elevations,
the
guardrails
appear
to
be
metal.
The
detail
of
the
Guard
wheel
is
a
two
by
two
wood
picking
I'm
wondering
which
one
is
intended.
I.
N
Believe
it's
supposed
to
be
with
Pickett
at
least
the
way
it's
rendered.
It
looks
like
the
deck
railing,
but
it
could
be
maybe
they're,
noting
that
the
railing
around
the
the
driveway
is
metal
and
the
deck
railing
is
wood.
N
I,
don't
know
that,
hopefully
the
the
property
owner
can
answer
that
question.
N
Hey
Aaron
I
forgot
so
like
I
just
had
my
few
slides.
Obviously,
but
here
all
of
your
plans
are
here.
If
you
want
to
open
anything.
Q
Else
and
then
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
contemplating
the
most
current
change.
After
your
conversation
that
Aaron
had
with
you.
Did
you
see
that
the
six
changes
you
made?
No.
Q
That's
an
oversight
on
this
part.
That's
why
I
was
looking
at
I,
didn't
see
it
hi
I'm
Aaron
zellen
we've
met
virtually
before.
B
B
Q
The
person
who
built
the
house
that
was
a
bit
of
a
challenge
for
me
being
out
of
the
country
for
quite
some
time,
so
it
posed
a
lot
of
challenges
and
I
learned
a
lot
through
that
process.
So
consequently,
going
forward
the
property
owner
and
we'll
be
the
property
developer
going
forward.
R
Q
Q
So
there
is
a
more
recent
I
think
the
input
was
taken
between
Aaron,
Wilson
and
Alex,
and
the
inputs
were
taken
and
first
I'm,
fairly
open
to
making
any
and
necessary
changes
that
the
commission
seems
appropriate
I'm,
not
ready
to
any
really
anything
other
than
the
structure
being
a
certain
size
and
shape
and
maximizing
the
footprint
of
the
building
envelope
and
doing
what's
best
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
some
Wall
Street
parking,
because
that
street
in
particular
Houston,
which
was
a
big
part
of
our
discussion
last
time,
is
really
tight
and
I.
Q
Think
it
almost
acts
like
a
one-lane
road,
because
so
many
people
Park
on
on
the
street.
So
there
is
a
more
recent
drawing
I'd,
be
glad
to
send
over
I
was
away
and
those
changes
were
made
on
the
sixth
okay
super
quick
yeah.
He
turned
the
changes
over
and
sent.
Q
A
N
B
Q
J
Alex
I
do
have
one
question:
I
wasn't
fast
enough:
the
deck
appears
to
be
outside
of
the
rear
setback.
Just.
B
N
F
G
A
N
Q
Elevation,
the
first
one
yeah,
okay,
okay,
super
thanks,
I
apologize.
Can
everybody
see
it
so
I
think
what's
here?
So
just
this
is
what
I.
Just
let
me
talk
about
a
macro
level.
It
added
its
own
set
of
challenges,
and
you
know,
sadly,
there's
a
very
beautiful
tree.
Unfortunately,
that
has
to
be
taken
down.
It's
quite
large
and
I
feel
conflicted
about
that.
But
it's
it's
right
in
the
building
envelope
and
I
will
make
sure
that
I,
you
know,
add
the
commensurate
trees
and
want
to
add
more
trees
in
the
future.
Q
The
lot,
as
you
can
see,
is,
has
a
different
setup
than
a
lot
on
Cortland.
It's
more
symmetrical,
which
is
great.
However,
on
the
right
side
of
the
property
is
quite
High,
relatively
speaking,
and
it
dies
very
precipitously
in
the
left
side
corner,
so
the
intent
was
to
squeeze
the
building
envelope.
Actually,
it
was
excuse
me
squeeze
the
footprint
of
the
building
as
much
as
I
could
and
nudge
it
as
far
as
I
could
over
to
the
right
side,
because
it
just
drops
I
have
a
personal
issue.
Q
We
kept
the
foot
yeah
to
be
safe,
so
we
can
do
something
and
you
know
I,
don't
love
retaining
walls
personally,
but
in
this
case,
in
order
to
get
away
from
some
parking
in
the
front
and
do
something
on
the
side
to
relieve
that
pressure
from
the
street.
And
that
is
the
only
kind
of
viable
option
and
you
can
see
it
goes
from
about
two
feet
in
the
Inception
of
the
retaining
wall.
Q
To
about
six
and
again,
you
know
we
went
back
and
forth
about
raising
house
even
further
or
lowering
it
to
make
that
retaining
more
less
obtrusive,
the
presidents
with
Cortland.
If
you
remember,
we
also
did
similar
things
and
there
is
a
precedence
there.
Arts
remember.
We
were
asked
to
it's
the
same
situation.
It's
about
six
inches
above
the
parking
surface
and
we
ended
having
to
add
a
18
inch
pressure
treated
rail
system.
After
the
fact,
what
was
required,
I.
Q
Q
So
if
you
look
at
so
there
are
a
couple
things
Alex
Greenies
are:
are
you
know
accurate
the
one
where
you
can
see
kind
of
in
this
bubble,
these
like
sort
of
bubble,
things
that
he
adds?
The
red
indicates
the
rail
on
top
whatever
that
may
be
open
to
interpretation
in
TBD,
get
open
to
whatever
would
be
appropriate
for
their
area.
Q
The
walkway,
which
again
got
done
at
Cortland
without
me,
sort
of
eating
intervention
is
pure,
just
concrete,
I
don't
like
it,
but
it
was
done
so
I
think.
The
intention
here
is
to
do
something
more
designer
and
Deadwood
Tennessee
flagstone,
some
large
boulders,
more
interesting.
You
know
and
more
appropriate
to
the
neighborhood
and
even
do
like
a
process.
Aggregate
driveway,
I
know
it's
impervious
and
I'm
willing
to
do
a
previous
one
too.
Q
If
you
believe
I
should
do
just
some
compacted
little
base
and
some
crushed
stone
too
so
again,
very
open
to
the
material
used,
keep
complying
or
keep
appropriate
to
the
area.
The
Alex
was
referring
to
the
deck
in
the
rear
on
the
right
side
and
again
it
drops
quite
precipitously
to
the
left.
So
it's
a
little
bit
bag
of
how
that
does
terminate.
So
then
he
what
that
Aaron
did,
was
put
the
rail
on
the
end
and
create
a
gate.
Q
So
you
know
people
don't
drop
off
the
edge
and
you
know
and
we're
not
clear
yet
how
the
group
final
grading
will
come.
So
my
feeling
is
that
problem
will
be
a
step
or
two
of
that,
and
certainly
if
there
is,
you
want
to
gate
so
people,
don't
you
know,
take
a
header
off
the
end
of
this
into
the
video.
We
don't
want
anybody
falling
and
hurting
themselves,
but
you
know
I,
don't
again
how
close
that
will
be
to
the
final
grade,
it's
hard
to
say
right.
The
contrast
was
an
area
too.
Q
If
you
see
in
the
right
the
left
corner
it's
a
bit
of
a
fit
for
that
and
what
we
do.
It's
I
know
from
what
I
understand
the
intent
is
not
to
have
the
barrels
sitting
at
the
end
of
the
driveway
because
they're
you
know
they're
ugly.
So
what
do
we
do
without
having
any
really
usable
land
on
the
right
side
to
get
back
to
the
area
and
having
to
put
the
HVAC
on
that
right
side
behind
that
Foundation
area,
which
is
an
appropriate
place
where
it
keeps
it
out
of
sight?
Q
I
am
open
to
ideas
there,
I
I,
don't
know
if
putting
a
small
fenced-in
sort
of
enclosure
up
near
the
property
line
on
the
left
side
would
suffice.
You
can
see
that
structure
and
put
there
on
the
left
near
the
edge
of
the
property
in
the
front.
Q
You
guys
see
that
yeah.
So
that's
something
that
I
want
some
guidance
on
the
other
open
issues
were
you
know
this
plants
and
what
Aaron
did
on
this
too?
You
can
see
he
numbered
some
of
the
plants,
because
if
you
go
down
some
of
the
blower
there's
some
of
the
type
of
plants
we
just
contemplated,
this
crepe
myrtle
thing
was
funny
because
I,
don't
even
like
crate
I,
would
gladly
take
that
away
and
use
something
more
indigenous.
Then
that
shouldn't
be
a
problem
I'm
open
to
whatever
I'm,
not
big
Myrtle
person.
Q
So
you
know
again,
I
think
we're
trying
to
preserve.
The
thing
is:
there's
this
big
planting
Cedar
here,
as
you
can
see,
has
quite
a
large
sort
of
circumference,
so
I
like
that,
and
but
it
does
stop
me
sort
of
from
adding
at
the
plantings
that
may
or
may
not
survive
under
that
canopy.
However,
you
know,
I
want
to
definitely
will
have
two
or
three
larger
plants
and
I
think
they
call
out
is
ready,
a
maple
and
a
red
bar
I'm.
Sorry
I'm,
just.
H
Q
Thank
you.
Windows
machines
are
not
making
so
and
then
what
was
that
sort
of
that
sort
of
a
captures?
You
can
see
that
he
kind
of
like
made
these
little
like
bubble
areas.
Those
were
the
recent
changes
made
after
the
conversation
or
dialogue
or
email
thread
with
you
Alex.
Those
are
the
ones
Aaron
made
and
then
there's
other
ones
that
apply
to
the
windows
and
the
doors
again
fully
open
to
that
in
The
Courtland
project
we
have
two
over
ones
and
that
was
okay
deemed
appropriate.
I.
Q
Q
A
C
Q
Can
see
on
the
bottom
right,
there's
the
bubbles
again
and
I.
Don't
know
why
you
mentioned
it.
They
slight
window
Aaron
changed
it
to
a
single
light,
I'm,
not
sure.
B
Q
He
did
do
that
on
both
the
rear
window,
which
is
egress
to
the
back
deck,
and
then
this
is
the
egress
too,
which
is
ostensibly
the
laundry
room,
slash
mud
room
and
what
you
would
normally
come
in
with
your
car
and
packages,
and
you
go
in
so
and
then
the
biggest
significant
thing
again
is
this:
these
window
configurations
making
that
change
and
I
would
provide
to
provide
more
detail.
It's
sadly,
jeld-win
you
know,
gives
you
the
basics,
but
not
like
how
big
is
it
divided?
How
big
is
the
divided
section?
Q
How
big
is
the
sash?
It's
really
thin
on
information,
so
I
need
to
dig
further
to
get
that
information
for
you.
Obviously,
the
HVAC
specs
to
not
to
be
determined.
The
intent
of
this
house
is
to
make
it
a
net
zero
house,
no
gas
at
all,
really,
electric
that
is
and
pre-wired
for
certain
types
like
electric
vehicles
and
pre-wired
for
solar
and
one
of
the
other
big
things
going
along
with
that.
The
mother
wounds,
combination
or
partial
metal
and
partial
shingle
proof,
not
an
issue
I
prefer
to
have
that
way.
Q
Q
N
Q
My
apologies
I
talked
about
the
walkway
in
Tennessee
Joel's,
women's
back
and
implant
species,
so
I
had
a
quite
a
bit
laundry
list
of
plant
species
and
again
open
to
more
indigenous
plants,
I'm,
just
not
that
familiar
with
them,
so
I
have
to
kind
of
do
my
due
to
dealings
like
I
need
to
map
it
against.
What's
on
the
appropriate
list,
with
what
I've
been
getting
from
plants
from
a
really
great
place
in
South,
Carolina,
Hawkins,
Nursery,
really
big
field
grown
stuff.
Q
So
again
can
I
add
all
those
things
and
we
collectively
agreed
with
my
buddy
neighbor
too
we've
created
screening
plans
try
to
avoid
fencing.
It's
you
know
so
we've
used
now.
This
is
where
I'm
going
to
get
out
of
my
element,
but
somewhere
like
tiolo's,
to
try
to
create
that
on
the
Portland
property.
I
had
to
do
the
same.
The
tea,
olives
and
one
guest
rooms,
and
probably
butchering
the
names
but
yeah
and
I
did
the
same
thing.
Q
I
have
Blaze
Maples
put
in
there
and
if
anybody
fly
but
I'm
about
because
the
developing
Builder
just
completely
punted,
it
was
just
awful.
You
just
threw
a
mulch
down.
So
I'm
halfway
through
fixing
that
problem
about
35
plants
I
planted
already
so
it's
a
work
in
progress.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
I.
Think
in
terms
of
net
changes,
yeah
I
think
that's
it.
You
know.
I
know.
The
fencing
thing
is
a
concern.
Q
The
footprint
and
you
know
there
was
we
went
through
three
iterations
on
this
plan.
Actually
Aaron
and
I
I
just
kept
making
adjustments
for
exterior,
look
and
feel,
and
also
trying
to
get
the
most
leverage
out
of
the
property.
Without
giving
up
we're.
Not
you
know
giving
up
usable
space
and
I
decided
not
when
the
first
prep
day
I
did
look
in
the
edu
in
the
basement.
It
was
quite
expensive
and
time
consuming
a
lot
of
issues
in
terms
of
sound
deadening
and
fire
breaking.
Q
This
is
a
the
lower
level
is
purely
an
extension
of
the
upstairs,
but
a
good
extension
will
be.
There
will
be
no
kitchen
area
but
two
full
bathrooms
with
a
with
a
back
with
a
a
bathroom
and
a
backup,
washer
and
dryer
unit,
two
that
can
be
installed
at
a
later
date.
So
that's.
Q
And
this
time
I'm
going
to
use
a
synthetic
stucco,
because
we
had
a
lot
of
cracking
on
the
Cortland
property
just
using
it
with
the
mesh,
so
I
think
I
learned,
you
know
by
talking
to
people
like
a
synthetic
sucker
was
actually
quite
more
more
resilient,
but
how
does
the
same
look
and
feel
just
more
money,
but
the
other
one
has
of
course,
like
I
have
a
massive
crack
in
the
front
of
the
house.
It's
six
months
old.
It's
just.
Q
I'm
not
sure
what
the
composition
is
to
be
honest,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
what
the
composition
is,
but
it's
something
apparently
that
just
is
more
stable
when
it's
when
you're,
covering
concrete
block
Trinity
block
tends
to,
as
you
put
it
on.
You
know,
there's
a
shortage
and
also
there's
a
lot
of
visual
that
comes
through
no
matter
how
many
coats
you
put
on.
Q
You
seem
to
still
see
the
shadow
of
the
block
and
Visually
I
think
that's
pretty
ugly,
not
to
mention
the
fact
that
it
seems
to
crack
and
I'm,
not
sure
why
we
did
it
over
Superior
wall.
So
I
had
Superior
walls
on
that
last
project,
which
I
wouldn't
do
again
here.
For
other
reasons,
it's
going
to
be
block
a
block
Foundation.
Q
We
have
a
crawl
space
and
they
only
get
to
12
feet
and
you
end
up
going
Beyond
12.
It
gets
more
challenging
so
I,
don't
know.
The
exact
I
can
certainly
get
you
the
material.
What
it
what's
made
with
the
synthetic.
B
Q
Pure
right
problem
avoidance,
then
because
correct
you
know,
I
don't
know,
people
call
me
back
and
saying
you
know
my
historical
craft,
like
the
Portland
house,
I'm
living
there
and
it's
pretty
bad
and
it's
bleeding
through
to
like
I,
said
the
colors
bleeding
through
from
the
I,
don't
know
exact
same
Clear
exactly
why.
A
A
If
we
do
nothing
so
I
guess
we
had
a
similar
project,
Alex
I'm,
not
sure
if
there's
anyone
on
the
board
that
maybe
would
have
remembered
that
big
retaining
wall
at
Montford,
North
Star
Academy-
that
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
defense
on
that
one
and
what
we
did
in
that
project
was
to
pull
the
fence
in
front
of
the
retaining
wall
and
we
were
able
to
do
a
lot
more
screening
there.
A
B
A
It
and
I'm
not
sure
how
close
we
are
to
getting
to
reaching
the
boundary
of
where
the
deck
can
be
in
the
back
in
relation
to
the
back
property
line,
we're
obviously
beyond
the
setback
already.
But
if
that
that's
sort
of
six
feet,
I
just
I
feel
like
there
maybe
wants
to
be
some
more
space
there
to
let
that
fence
not
sit
right
on
top
of
the
retaining
wall
and
to
be
able
to
do
some
kind
of
a
screening
or
something
to
it.
I
understand
that
it's
going
to
be
code
required.
D
A
Respects,
and
so
just
seems
like
a
little
bit
more
room
there
to
pull
it
off
the
top
of
that
wall
and
to
give
us
some
way
to
screen
it
or
something
in
a
similar
fashion.
Alex
is
what
we
did
at
the
North
Star
Academy
wall,
which
is
massive
in
comparison
to
this
wall
and
not
as
landlocked
as
this
one.
So
there's
two
very
big
differences
from
that
one,
but
it
reminds
me
that
seems
like
the
most.
A
N
A
We're
gonna,
you
know
it's
hard
to
tell
on
this
scale
and
you
can
always
zoom
up
so
in
the
line
weights
of
the
drawing
or
you
know,
kind
of
fat.
So
it's
there's
a
little
bit
of
zooming
in
I
think
for
Aaron
to
do
to
just
feel
whether
that
really
gains
us
what
we
need
to,
but
it
seems
like
maybe
an
important
thing
to
dig
into
a
little
bit
and
I
appreciate
your
flexibility
on
the
other
items,
because
it
saves
everybody
from
talking
about
things
that
you've
already
you've.
A
A
N
A
Q
Q
So
I
squeeze
the
front
by
two
feet:
shortening
the
living
room
and
with
the
intent
of
trying
to
do
as
much
as
I
could
without
encroaching
in
the
back
set
back
right,
I
want
to
minimize
that
and
keeping
the
building
as
little
as
possible
in
the
backside
back.
The
second
thing
in
the
request
is
for
nine
and
a
half
feet
on
the
parking,
which
is
very
skinny
right.
Q
Normally,
you
take
a
12
foot
for
a
single
bathroom,
so
that
is
something
I
was
very
mindful
of
to
do
too
so
I'm
trying
to
make
the
accommodations
where
I
can.
If
we
have
to
scoot
it
down
a
little
bit,
as
you
know,
we're
going
to
get
close
and
we
you're
moving
it
back
and
forth
among
down
a
couple
feet.
Yeah,
it's
doable
yeah
because
you
know
this
drop
is:
is
a
mansion
pretty
pretty
severe
and
you're
always
making
advantage
to
push
on
the
balloon.
A
I
think
the
wall
stays
where
it
is:
okay,
just
to
give
us
more
room
between
the
wall
and
the
driveway.
A
Give
us
a
way
to
buffer
and
to
soften
that
and
to
get
the
fence
off
of
the
top
of
the
wall,
which
is
this
pretty
clear
in
the
guidelines
that
that
relationship
and
that
just
gives
us
a
way
to
sort
of
separate
those.
Two
things.
Oh
in
a
way
that
will
be
compliant
with
the
building
code
and
allow
you
to
plant
some
small
planning
plan
stuff
and
a
little
bit
of
an
you
know.
B
Q
The
agreement,
though,
goes
up
just
with
the
Buddy
neighbor,
which
is
existing
he's,
if
you
like,
probably,
should
bring
some
photos
of
this.
He
has
tea
olives
and
this
we
worked
on
this
collaboratively
at
one
point,
so
he
has
them
all
along
his
property
line
like
six
of
them
yeah.
So,
ultimately,
that
will
provide
screening
for
that
wall.
Now.
Q
E
A
I
mean
I
would
love
to
you
know,
push
a
little
bit
to
see
if
we've
really
got
the
house
sitting
exactly
where
it
needs
to
be
to
help
with
the
retaining
wall
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
feels
that
way.
I've
certainly
done
a
good
bit
of
talking,
but
I.
Certainly
that,
probably
for
me,
is
the
biggest
hurdle
on
this.
One
is
making
sure
we
get
that
right.
A
I,
think
I'm
comfortable
with
the
changes
that
you've
made
to
the
building
itself.
I
would
love
to
see
a
sample
of
that
product.
I'm,
pretty
sure
I
know
what
it
is
that
the
stucco,
the
synthetic
stucco
but
I
want
to.
You
know
be
good
to
see,
because
that
is
the
first
time
it's
come
up.
Certainly
in
my
time
on
the
commission.
My
guess
is
it's
probably
aesthetically
fine.
Now
it's
well,
it
wouldn't
be
an
ephes.
That's
got
the
insulation
with
it.
It's
the
coating
that
and
commercial
construction.
A
We
use
a
more
of
an
acrylic
cementitious
with
an
acrylic
additive
to
it,
because
it's
more
flexible
to
span
cracks.
B
A
A
So
it'd
be
good
just
to
see
it
because
it
has
never
come
up
in
this
particular
case,
but
I'm
going
to
be
quiet
and
let
other
people
talk.
Q
No
we're
going
to
do
block
Foundation,
we're
going
to
have
a
structure
engineer
come
like
we
did
on
the
Portland
property,
make
sure
we
put
a
proper
footing
to
spread
the
load
of
it,
even
though
it's
lower
than
the
other
one.
So
we'll
have
an
engineering
aspect
to
it.
So
we
spread
out
probably
four
foot
wide
like
a
Bigfoot
type
of
approach
and
then
rebar
shooting
up
and
it'll
be
blocked,
and
obviously
that
will
tie
into
the
foundational
parts
of
it
which
would
reblock
as
well
and.
Q
Yeah
yeah,
it's
a
little
bit
easier
frankly
to
go
over
block
than
it
was
over
severe
wall
kind
of
comes
with
its
own
finish,
but
so
it
should
be
a
little
easier
to
work
with
again
I've
seen
it
go
over
the
block
and
it's
hard
to
cover,
and
you
expose
yourself
to
cracking
too
I
just
I.
Don't
like
the
look
of
the
you
see
these
like
a
checkerboards
and
going
on
from
the
Shadows
From
the
Block
itself,
and
it
gets.
M
Spencer
I
realized
that
you
know
an
individual
case
is
not
the
time
to
discuss
the
merits
of
the
design
guidelines
which
were
you
know,
agreed
upon.
You
know
with
a
contribution
from
the
Montford
residents
many
years
ago,
but
I
would
suggest
that
we
should
consider
in
any
future
updates,
or
you
know,
the
the
new
creation
of
design
guidelines,
the
outright
prohibition
of
things
that
might
be
that
might
complicate
future
applications
where
conditions
might
not
be
anticipated.
B
M
Prohibition
of
a
fence
depending
on
what
you
call
it,
because
I've
actually
looked
up
the
definition
of
different
things.
Just
now,
the
prohibition
of
offense
above
a
retaining
wall
in
a
front
yard
might
not
anticipate
specific
new
construction
on
specific
Lots,
where
such
a
feature
might
be
congruous
with
the
character
of
The
District
or
might
maybe
not
congruous,
but
might
not
be
incongruous
with
the
character
of
The
District.
A
M
B
E
K
N
N
N
K
Oh
I
thought
you'd
said
early
on
Alex
said
there
could
be
an
inter
different
interpretation
depending
on
whether
you
characterize
this
as
a
fence
or
a
rail
and
I
know.
Annie,
you
read
the
fence
on
the
retaining
wall.
Standard
didn't
sound,
absolutely
clear.
He
said
it
didn't
prohibit,
and
then
there
was
a
question
of.
Is
that
really
in
the
front
yard?
Yeah.
K
B
K
Saying
and
then
based
on
the
situation,
how
it
might
meet
the
site
or
the
neighborhood,
but
so
I
don't
know
if
there
is
something
you
could
read.
That
said,
if
it's.
F
M
And
and
I,
unfortunately,
navigated
away
from
wherever
I
could
access
the
guidelines
and
a
question
that
I
have
is:
is
your
discussion
or
mentioning
of
scooting
the
building
to
the
left,
simply
not
simply,
but
to
bring
the
it
into
compliance
with
the
design
guidelines
that
prohibit
that
configuration
of
a
fence
atop
a
railing
or
a
Topper
retaining
wall,
because
I
have
another
way
to
interpret
it
or
is
it
a
matter
of
like
just
as
designed
you
think
it's
incongruous.
A
I
would
say
it's
in
an
effort
to
better
align
it
with
the
standard
and
not
so
much
about
congruity.
I
also
think
I
could
be
very
clear
about
it,
not
being
offense.
A
And
not
it's
fencing
isn't
something
that
the
building
inspector
is
going
to
require.
So
it
will
be
because
it's
a
guard
rail
and
it
meets
the
requirements
in
the
building
code
because
it's
more
than
30
inches
off
the
ground.
So
it's
it
will
it's
in
my
perspective,
very
clearly,
not
offense
I
wish
it
I
wish
there
was
more
room.
I
think
we've
created
hardship
a
little
bit
because
we
want
this
house
to
be
this
big
right.
A
If
it
were
smaller
yeah,
then
the
hardship
goes
away,
because
we
would
have
more
room
to
put
position
it
on
the
site
in
a
way
and
that's
not
there's
nothing
in
the
guidelines
really.
That
speaks
to
that,
particularly
either
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
incongruous
along
the
street
Escape
or
in
the
way
that
it's
that
it's
designed
and
certainly
the
modifications
that
y'all
made
move
it
closer
in
the
direction
of
being
congruous.
Also
so
I,
don't
maybe
I
shouldn't
care
about
it.
M
I
would
offer
the
dictionary
definition
from
Oxford
languages
that
came
up
online.
It's
simply
a
barrier
railing
or
other
upright
structure,
typically
of
wood
or
wire
in
closing
an
area
of
ground
to
Mark
a
boundary
control
access
or
prevent
Escape,
which
this
is
not
doing
and
a
railing
is
simply
a
fence
or
barrier
made
of
rails
and
I
would
interpret
what
is
designed
as
a
railing.
A
N
N
A
M
M
M
M
The
design,
the
required
you
know
the
the
tight,
the
the
you
know,
the
the
tight
configuration
and
the
fact
that
it's
not
actually
enclosing
a
yard.
That
I
think
we
can
say
that
it
is
perhaps
not
incongruous
with
the
special
character
of
Montford.
There.
E
A
A
Q
Else,
that's
really
the
now
to
your
point,
though,
can
I
just
make
I
mean
the
building
envelope
is
small.
The
line
is
forth
just
over
4
000
square
feet
and
then,
when
you're
taking
the
big
drop
off
in
the
property.
It's
it's.
You
know
it's
1100
square
foot,
yeah,
not
large
right.
Q
Having
said
that,
because
of
the
nature
that
it
does
drop
opacity,
you
get
this
little
big
bonus
area
underneath
so
955
square
feet
is
below
grade
sort
of
and
the
upstairs
is
only
700,
so
I
just
build
what
I
want
to
sort
of
envisioned
and
Aaron
did
a
good
job
in
these
Master
at
this
just
sort
of
trying
to
stay
appropriate
not
overwhelm
the
surrounding
structures
too,
but
still
give
people
the
typical
3-2
with
what
they
want.
Three
two
and
a
half
it
seems
to
like
that's
the
most
people.
J
A
J
Designed-
and
so
it's
really
difficult
to
see
what
the
intent
is
on
the
site
here
for
the
final
grade
of
that
drive
in
relationship
to
how
it
is
to
the
rest
of
the
property
as
well
as
the
adjacent
property,
and
then
that
would
relate
back
to
whether
that
and
I'm
going
to
agree
with
everybody
here.
That's
it's
a
guard
rail.
J
J
J
Potentially
I,
don't
know
if
the
if
the
zoning
regulations,
because
it
seems
like
they've,
changed
since
mine.
My
last
reading
of
the
document
would.
B
B
B
Q
I
went
back
on
these
two.
It
was
true
which
you
there's
multiple
aggresses
to
the
problem.
However,
if
you
go
out
the
back
door,
you
get
on
the
deck
you
kind
of
walk
in
the
back
of
your
line
and
building
scared,
doing
the
block
foundation
and
putting
the
staircase
that
locks
down,
probably
the
advantageous
to
get
to
get.
You
know
end
up
coming
out
of
that
and
that
thought
I
don't
know
how
it
affects
destruction.
Integrity
we
go
back
and
that's
the
only
coffee.
I
Q
Q
By
doing
that,
you
keep
the
existing
structure
back
and
then
hang
the
stairs
off
the
back
of
it.
So
the
structure
doesn't
change.
Fair
enough.
I
would
go
and
build
it
in
the
concrete.
You
would
just
keep
the
structure
and
then
hang
a
wooden
structure
off
the
back.
That
would
be
very
doable.
You'd
only
see
the
Returns
on
each
side
because
it's
the
staircase
say
is
four
feet:
that
distance.
B
A
A
Right:
let's
do
that
really
quick
all
right,
Raise,
Your,
Right
hands.
R
A
R
Good
evening,
Madam,
chair
and
other
members
of
the
commission,
Mr
zollin,
as
well
as
a
member
of
the
development
Community
myself,
I'm,
very
familiar
with
the
fact
that
new
field
development
and
Lots
present
a
variety
of
peculiar
challenges,
especially
at
this
point
in
time.
R
As
a
former
member
of
the
commission,
myself
I
recall
having
these
sorts
of
discussion
some
time
ago
and
I'm
not
aware
of
any
substantive
changes
to
the
guidelines
or
standards.
What
have
you
in
the
interim
but
I
do
recall
our
having
some
fairly
substantial
discussions
about
floor
area
ratios
and
how
that
might
be
something
that
comes
into
play
as
we
begin
to
look
at
lots
of
I,
believe
.09
acres
or
something
of
that
nature
and
I
believe
it
was
stated
at
this
particular
drawing
would
be
2854
feet
over
3920.4
feet.
R
According
to
my
math,
which
was
a
0.73
for
area
ratio
and
not
to
cast
any
shade
on
this
particular
application.
Just
something
now,
as
we
look
at
what
I
understood
to
be
a
potential
encroachment
of
a
non-structural
component
in
the
rear
and
then
the
other
various
discussions
that
we've
had,
including
the
street
view
and
I,
have
no
particular
comments
on
this
application.
But
I
do
think.
R
That
is
something
that
you
may
all
want
to
consider
now
and
going
forward
as
these
more
difficult
and
objects
coming
to
light
and
when
we
discuss
the
whole
notion
of
precedent
and
materials
being
discussed
as
well.
That
may
have
not
been
before
this
Commission
in
its
memory
and
I
believe
Mr
Klein
brought
that
up
as
far
back
as
2019
or
so
with
respect
to
the
Elizabeth
Place
development.
So
that's
all
I
had
to
say
on
it
and
I
wish
this
application
luck
thanks.
A
There
was
some
advocating
for
that
so
sometimes,
but
it's
not
been
incorporated
into
the
guidelines,
no
I
think
the
way
you
know
we
can
continue
to
hear
from
Commissioners
I
think
I'm
talking
over
you
because
she
wanted
to
say
something.
So
you
go
ahead.
G
Oh
I
just
wanted
to
mention
this
is
a
minor
Point,
given
all
the
discussion
we've
had,
but
in
the
Montford
design
review
guidelines
on
page
37,
there
is
a
very
simple
diagram
showing
what
would
be
considered
front
yard
and
side
yard
and
in
my
interpretation
looking
at
that
plan,
because
it
looks.
P
Like
is
it
just
the
red,
the
red
line?
That
is
the
fence?
Yes,
okay,
and
it
looks
like
it
ends,
trying
to
parallel
to
the
front
plane,
yeah
building,
yes,
yeah
according.
Q
You
know
we
again
I
think
it's
like
a
balloon.
You
know
so
we're
trying
to
minimize,
since
this
is
a
downward
sloping,
Lock
And,
if
we
initially
the
driver,
was
on
the
left
and
problem
was
the
retainer
was
bigger
and
the
slope
was
greater
than
20
percent.
It
doesn't
seem
like
a
big
deal
until
it's
icy
and
you
slide
off
and
you
end
up
with
your
car
on
the
other
side.
So
this
section
in
the
beginning,
which
concludes
the
apron,
was
to
lose
that
as
much
as
possible
on
that
section.
Q
So
if
you
do
slide,
you
end
up
in
a
flatter
section,
which
is
the
parking
area.
So
all
those
things
are
contemplated
now
the
fence
is
just
again
litigation
protection
or
the
railing,
but
those
are
the
contemplations
is
you've
meant
closer
to
that
side.
You,
you
lose
some
of
the
natural
relief
of
the
land
itself.
M
I
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
there
does
appear
to
be
a
discrepancy
between
the
elevation
and
perspectives
and
the
plan
itself.
If
the
fence
is
what
is
shown
or
if
the
railing
is
what
is
shown
in
red
on
the
plan
on
the
screen
right
now,
which
is
what
I
saw
in
the
initial
submittal
as
well,
because
this
is
the
updated
submittal.
What's
in
the
initial
submittal
in
our
packets
shows
that
railing
pulling
a
little
bit
forward
from
that
front
elevation
plane
and
it
appeared.
M
B
M
And
I
mean
it
sounds
as
though
we
have
perhaps
rectified
the
issue
of
definition
and
condition,
but
Cleo
it's
worth
just
making
sure
that,
knowing
exactly
what
it
is,
that's
going
to
be
built.
Q
F
A
Where
I
think
there's,
maybe
still
some
I,
guess
I'm
wondering
what
the
right
next
step
is
for
the
application
in
terms
of
whether
we've
got
a
level
of
comfort
that
that
we
could
make
a
motion
today
or
if
there's
still
outstanding
items
that
we
want
to
see.
I
think
the
sample
of
the
stucco
makes
it
a
little
hard
to
approve
an
application
today,
because
it's
not
something.
We've
had
a
chance
to
kind
of
look
at
and
to
see.
There's
a
little
bit
of
work
on
your
part
to
figure
out
the
landscaping
and.
F
A
Make
some
different
recommendations
to
that
and
it
may
be:
affords
you
a
little
bit
of
an
opportunity
to
make
sure
you
let
the
the
guard,
rail
and
the
retaining
wall
there
and
with
if
you
want
to
consider
the
stair
to
the
back
deck
or
whatever
would
give
you
an
opportunity
to
do
that?
If
there
was
a
continuance
to
the
next.
Q
A
Grade
works
but
I'd
love,
you
know,
I'd
love
it.
It
gives
you
a
chance
to
study
it
at
the
very
least,
because
I
do
think
that
you
know
this.
The
stucco
is
maybe
the
the
thing
driving
the
need
for
a
continuance,
because
it'd
be
hard
for
us
to
sort
of
defer
that
to
stit
to
staff
level
approval,
because
I
think
it
feels
like
something
we
kind
of
want
to
look
at.
Q
A
N
And
I
think
it's
just
maybe
this
to
me
at
least
the
the
sample
and
then
also
making
sure
that
the
plans
are
act
like
minor
yeah,
yeah.
Q
Q
So
I
took
a
squeeze
the
porch
even
in
the
front,
to
minimize
the
footprint
and
it's
a
one
and
a
half
of
course,
not
a
32
story,
which
I
think
would
overwhelm
that
lot.
If
you
did
a
full
two-story,
if
you
looked
at
the
I
think
it
was
29
feet
from
bottom
to
top,
which
is
definitely
way
below
what
you
could
do.
Pursuant
to
the
the
code.
K
M
I
was
going
to
say
that
the
the
use
of
the
three,
the
grouped
Windows,
the
three
grouped
windows
on
on
the
first
and
second
stories
I,
was
a
like
staff
concerned
about
the
original
configuration
of
the
windows
and
that
change,
I
I
think
the
building
does
a
very
good
job
of
recalling
the
historic
features
of
Montford
and
that
particular
area
of
Montford.
While
appearing
to
be
new
construction,
it
is
respectful
and
compatible
with
the
existing
historic
character.
B
Q
That's
the
overarching
hope
experiencing
you
know
getting
it
squeeze
the
building.
I
I
blame
I
like
to
cut
out
as
much
space
as
I
could.
Finally,
without
having
a
bedroom,
that's
10x10,
you
know
it's
a
real
dance
and
I
really
believe
that
I,
the
mud
room
is
such
a
I
mean
people,
just
love
that
you
know,
and
it
has
a
laundry
room
in
my
room.
It's
it's
having
a
second
egress
from
a
safety
perspective
is
really
good
and
also
from
utility.
P
A
Yes,
please,
and
so
then
we
need
a
motion
right.
Q
K
M
K
B
A
N
And
just
a
little
bit
of
context
of
the
name
of
the
award,
it
was
an
misconception
called
The
Sovereign.
N
Hardly
enough
from
our
history
to
be
the
grandfather
of
the
history
of
Buffalo
County
and
this
library
was
the
basis
for
became
the
beginning
point
of
the
public
county
Library
election.
But
it
was
deeded
to
the
county
with
the
stipulation.
N
About
accepting
an
award
called
the
subway
of
work,
so
we
did
some
educating.
We
asked
our
Central
collections
manager
to
come
and
talked
to
the
commission
about
his
legacy,
and
so
the
commission
elected
electing
work
and
it
was
changed
to
the
historic
resources
Champion
award.
Everyone
was
re-given
to
Ms
Clark
and
then
the
current
awardees
were
and.
K
N
So
to
be
thinking
on
them
is.
A
In
the
last
couple
years,
Andrea
Clark
was
20
20..
The
two
gentlemen
that
have
been
stewards
of
the
South
Asheville
Cemetery
were
recipients
in
2021
last
year
were
was
ancesky
Smith
and
the
Skyland
Golf
folks.
B
A
Caddies,
yes,
those
who
have
been
the
last
several
years
recipients
forget
the
ones
before
that.
N
A
R
R
Love
HRC
so,
as
I
said
here
and
thought
about
this
tonight,
I
just
started
to
stick
around
for
this
particular
purpose
and
I
thought
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
mention
an
individual
whom
some
of
you
would
be
familiar
with
named
Jack
Thompson
Jack
Thompson
was
the
longtime
executive
director
of
the
preservation
society
and
I
pull
up
his
LinkedIn
publicly
available.
R
Remember
0809
and
10
in
this
area,
and-
and
he
was
responsible
for
raising
quite
a
bit
of
awareness
and
funds
alike
for
preservation
and
was
a
frequent
flyer
meetings
which
I
attempted
here
toward
the
end
of
that
tenure.
Mr
Thompson
was
in
very
poor
health,
even
though
he
is
a
relatively
young
I
think
he's
in
his
mid-50s,
and
so
as
that
went
to
the
conclusion.