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From YouTube: Downtown Commission – July 14, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Downtown Commission.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/downtown-commission/
Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://publicinput.com/W0132
A
Good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Brian
Moffett
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
July
14th
2023
meeting
of
the
Asheville
downtown
commission.
The
Asheville
downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
Urban
Center
of
Western
North
Carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
A
In
addition,
downtown
Commissioners
currently
fill
three
out
of
nine
seats
at
the
city's
design,
Review
Committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district,
the
river
Arts,
District
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
B
A
Lost
Avery!
That's
why
I
looked
at
Houston!
Thank
you
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
at
this
time,
I
will
go
through
and
introduce
the
committee
members
committee
members
low
as
we've
been
through
Jessica
hi,
Sage
good.
D
A
G
G
A
Thank
you
so,
at
this
time,
I
will
do
a
quick,
we'll
go
through
and
approve
our
minutes
and
then
I'll
do
a
quick
agenda
review.
So
do
we
have
any
comments,
revisions
for
the
draft
action
minutes
for
our
June
9th
meeting,
or
is
there
a
motion
to
approve.
I
A
Opposed
that
motion
carries
so
our
agenda
this
morning
we
have
a.
You
know,
get
the
public
comment
in
just
a
minute.
We
have
a
presentation
for
the
Carter
and
patent
stormwater
and
pedestrian
improvements
project.
Then
we
have
a
presentation
or
a
discussion
about
the
downtown
safety
initiative.
The
takeaways
and
the
ongoing
Services
I
want
to
make
clear,
we'll
also
talk
about
pack,
Square
visioning
updates,
and
we
will
all
of
you
will
be
gone
by.
Then
we
will
talk
about
a
new
meeting
date
and
time
for
the
downtown
commission.
A
So
we're
going
to
have
a
public
comment
now,
just
on
the
general
agenda,
there
will
be
a
a
dedicated
public
comment
time
for
the
downtown
safety
initiative.
So
if
you're
here
to
speak
to
that,
I'll
have
an
option
for
you
to
speak
to
that
after
we
receive
the
presentation.
Does
that
make
sense
to
everybody?
A
A
J
K
J
J
Now
I
don't
know
if
you
can
quite
see
it,
but
there's
a
highlighted
section
in
pink,
coming
up,
South
Ann
Street-
that
is
the
section
we
have
installed
currently
The,
yellow
section,
is
to
be
installed
kind
of
highlighted
that
and
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
scale
of
this
stormwater
project,
the
piage
that
we're
installing
all
up,
South
Ann
Street
in
a
portion
of
Patton
Avenue
is
54
inches.
So
it's
about
nine
inches
shorter
than
me.
J
J
So
on
the
left.
I,
don't
even
quite
see
it,
but
it's
a
wooden
pipe
that
we
expose,
while
digging
and
inside
that
pipe
there's
kind
of
some
cables
and
wires,
and
we
think
they're
old,
Western
Union
lines.
So
I'd
never
seen
that
before
and
on
the
right
is
we
encountered
an
unexpected
unknown
unknown,
as
they
say,
block
of
random
concrete.
That
was
like
eight
feet
by
six
feet
by
four
feet
and
it's
right
in
her
path
and
it
was
no
easy
way
to
get
around
it.
J
J
This,
oh.
J
Sidewalk
portion
on
the
upper
left
side,
there's
a
portion
that
sidewalk
that
was
on
Patton
Avenue,
and
you
can
see
how
it's
kind
of
heaving,
because
the
tree
roots
are
really
large
there
and
the
trees
too
large.
So
in
the
bottom
center
photo
you
can
see.
We
have
replaced
that
exact
same
section
of
sidewalk
already
because
there
was
no
storm
water
installation
on
that
section
and
that's
the
exact
same
place
now.
I
K
J
Those
tree
frame
grates,
we
will
be
planting
trees
in
the
fall
when
it's
cooler
and
those
trees
can
survive
and
thrive
on
the
upper
right
picture.
That
is
a
new
ramp.
We
installed
at
the
corner
of
Pearl
Street
and
South
End
Street
as
part
of
this
project.
Previously
the
ramp
was
right
at
the
corner
and
just
went
straight
up
to
the
pole
and
you
couldn't
quite
even
get
around
it.
So
that
was
not
a
useful
ramp.
K
J
Right
what's
next,
so
we
are
crossing
our
fingers
next
week
going
to
be
in
Patton
with
our
storm
water,
installation,
weather,
permitting
and
no
odd
unknowns,
no
conflicts
that
we
didn't
expect
and
when
that
happens,
these
Southern
two
lanes
of
Patton
Avenue
will
be
closed.
The
northern
two
lanes
will
be
open,
but
they'll
become
two-way
traffic,
and
then
there
is
one
portion
well
and
one
fact,
but.
J
That's
when
we're
crossing
from
the
south
side
of
Patton
Avenue
to
the
north
side
and
we're
crossing
sewer
there
that
will
be
done
at
night.
It
may
take
three
weeks
because
we're
also
replacing
some
of
the
sewer,
because
the
sewer
line
in
that
area
is
vitrified,
Clay
pipe,
so
we're
making
we're
replacing
that
with
dip.
J
So,
overall,
what
you'll
be
getting
is
a
new
upgraded
stormwater
system.
South
End
Street
will
be
paved,
that
portion
of
patent
will
be
paid,
a
portion
of
Carter
Street
will
be
paid,
you'll
have
new
appropriate
trees
and
compliant
sidewalk
and
ramps
in
that
area.
So
it's
going
to
be
very
inconvenient
with
traffic,
but
it
will
be
worth
it
at
the
end.
It'll
be
a
lot
of
value
added.
J
L
I
just
want
to
just
make
an
observation,
while
you
guys
are
doing
this,
and
you
know
this
is
great
work
and
obviously
the
series
need
a
lot
of
storm
water
for
a
long
time.
Is
that
because
I
I'm,
often
making
that
left
on
Ann
Street,
because
you
can't
make
a
left
on
clingman
the
signage?
There
is
actually
really
poor.
It's
very
easy
to
get
past
that
point
and
not
realize
that
you're
supposed
to
make
a
left
on
clingman
if
you're
trying
to
get
to
River
Arts
District,
there's.
L
A
local
I
know
this:
if
you
don't
know
this,
you
go
past
Ann
Street
and
then
you
reveal,
and
then
you
reveal
behind
a
tree,
a
sign
that
says
you
can't
make
a
left
on
clingman
and
so
I.
Just
would
ask
you
guys
to
be
sensitive
about
the
signage
in
there,
while
you're
going
through
this,
because
it's
already
a
little
tricky
to
make
this
legal.
K
J
Right,
thank
you
that
I
might
I've
been
handing
out
my
card,
but
I'd
love
might
pick
your
brain
on.
J
Also,
if
anyone's
interested
I've
been
trying
to
hand
out
my
car
to
everyone,
but
if
you're
interested
in
being
on
my
stakeholder
email
list,
please
let
me
know
I'll,
add
you
to
it.
We
have
a
project
page
at
Asheville,
nc.gov
backslash
projects,
it's
Carter
in
my
number's
also
on
there,
and
we
are
open
to
hearing
feedback
comments.
If
you
have
issues
you
definitely
want
to
be
available,
so
yeah
I'll.
If.
K
K
A
N
All
right
good
morning,
everyone
for
those
of
you
that
I
haven't
met
I'm
Rachel,
Wood
I'm,
one
of
the
city's
two
assistant
city
managers.
I,
know
you've
heard
from
Ben
Woody,
as
well
as
our
city
manager,
on
the
pass
in
the
past
on
this
topic,
but
delighted
to
meet
those
of
you
that
I
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
prior
to
this
morning,
make
sure
I
get
it
into
slideshow.
View
and
I
heard
this
referred
to
as
a
discussion.
Very
much
want
this
to
be
a
discussion.
N
So
you
all
know
Juan
Sean,
May
1st
was
our
60-day
downtown
safety
and
cleanliness
initiative.
It
focused
not
just
on
safety
and
cleanliness,
but
also
having
a
more
concentrated
effort
on
assisting
individuals
in
need.
It
included
our
standard
operations,
our
Baseline
services,
that
we
always
provide
downtown,
plus
tracking
and
testing
additional
resources
and
really
include
encourage
Community
collaboration.
This
is
a
picture
of
one
of
the
downtown
safety
walks
that
occurred
where
we
were
able
to
get
feedback
from
downtown
resident
residents
as
well
as
business
owners.
N
So
we
really
wanted
to
focus
on
impact
as
we
went
into
this
60-day
initiative,
and
so
data
was
a
big
Focus.
We
wanted
to
be
able
to
see
what
was
it
that
we
were
able
to
achieve
as
we
were
trying
these
new
tactics
in
the
downtown
area.
So
in
the
cleanliness
category
we
had
eight
different
volunteer
cleanups.
During
this
time
period,
348
miles
of
sidewalk
were
cleaned.
Over
4
000
graffiti
tags
were
removed,
463
verbal
warnings
were
provided
by
Asheville
Police
Department
56
citations
were
issued
and
there
were
94
arrests.
N
We
also
had
a
big
focus
on
environmental
Improvement
in
environmental
design.
Our
traffic
engineering
team
led
an
effort
focused
really
on
our
street
lighting
and
Lighting
in
downtown
54
lighting
issues
were
identified,
of
which
41
have
been
resolved
today
and
were
working
with
Duke,
as
well
as
other
entities
to
get
the
remaining
issues
resolved,
and
there
were
57
noise
complaints
that
were
investigated
during
the
60-day
time
frame.
N
There
was
also
a
really
proactive
component
to
this
effort
and
there
were
888
business
contacts
from
APD
361,
proactive
and
85
responsive
contacts
and
interactions
from
our
community
responders.
Our
community
responder
program
launched
at
the
same
time
that
this
initiative
launched,
and
we
do
have
representatives
from
Asheville
Fire
Department
here
today
as
well,
and
during
this
time
period,
115
Wellness
checks
were
conducted
so
I
mentioned
already
March
1st
was
the
launch
date
of
our
community
responder
program.
This
is
a
continued
pilot.
N
So
we
had
a
lot
of
lessons
learned
one
of
those
Lessons
Learned,
and
this
is
continued
feedback.
That
we
get,
of
course,
is
that
proactive
engagement
and
Presence
by
law
enforcement
and
Supportive
Services
continues
to
be
needed
in
the
downtown
area
as
well
as
across
the
city.
We
heard
a
lot
of
community
support
for
continued
presence
of
Public
Safety,
and
we
also
need
to
have
additional
engagement
from
the
public
to
ensure
we're
able
to
sustainably
interrupt
patterns
of
violence
and
reduce
crime
city-wide
and
more
specifically,
in
the
downtown
area.
N
And
you
know
this
has
been
a
really
great
opportunity.
I,
of
course,
am
new
to
the
organization,
but
covid
did
a
lot
of
in
terms
of
impacting
our
ability
to
collaborate
internally,
as
well
as
with
the
community,
and
so
this
effort
brought
staff
who
maybe
haven't
been
in
the
same
room
together
to
the
into
the
same
meeting
room
where
we
were
able
to
talk
about
cross-departmental
collaboration,
things
that
seemed
like
common
sense,
but
if
you've
never
met
the
other
staff
person,
you
wouldn't
have
opportunities
to
have
those
conversations.
So
some
pretty
simple
examples.
N
Our
parking
enforcement
officers
are
now
trained
on
how
to
report
street
light
outages.
They
know
where
to
go
to
report
potholes.
They
know
where
to
go
to
report
graffiti
outages
and
these
things
seem
like
common
sense,
but
just
over
the
last
few
years,
as
we've
been
working
pretty
much
in
a
virtual
environment,
some
of
those
conversations
haven't
taken
place.
So
that's
been
another
really
unintended
silver.
N
Aligning
of
the
60-day
initiative
is
that
some
of
those
relationships,
especially
in
those
High
turnover
positions,
have
been
established
across
departments
and
a
lot
of
that's
thanks
in
part
to
the
meetings
and
the
Retreats
that
Dana
helped
lead
where
we
were
able
to
identify.
What
can
we
do
and
how
can
we
do
more
with
our
existing
resources?
N
What
we
heard
from
the
community
as
a
part
of
this
effort?
Generally,
we
receive
very
positive
feedback.
We
encourage
we
were
receiving
encouragement
to
continue
our
existing
levels
of
service
and
continue
to
enhance
those
proactive,
Public
Safety
presence
is
important.
The
cross-disciplinary
approach
is
appreciated.
We
heard
that
a
lot
as
a
part
of
the
safety
walks
that
occurred
discussing
conditions
on
site
with
City
staff
leaders
is
very
valuable.
Businesses
can
continue
to
benefit
from
further
guidance
on
steps
they
can
take
and
that's
something
that
we're
working
on
right
now.
N
I
know
our
new
development
services
director
Mark
Matheny,
has
a
lot
of
great
ideas
on
some
tools
and
resources
that
we
can
make
available
to
business
owners
and
residents
on
how
they
can
more
easily
connect
to
city
services
and
people
want
clearer,
more
effective
ways
to
Route
their
concerns
specifically
related
to
those
who
are
unhoused
or
experiencing
mental
distress.
So
we're
again
working
through
our
community
responders,
of
course,
working
with
our
traditional
law
enforcement
outlets.
N
And
then
we
in
the
city,
manager's
office,
effective
July
1
have
a
new
constituent
services,
manager,
position
and
she's
working
on.
How
can
we
better
establish
protocol
in
internally
to
the
organization
to
ensure
we're
responding
quickly
to
resident
and
business
owner
requests
and
that
we've
got
better
networks
internally
to
ensure
that
we're
not
just
responding
saying?
Thank
you.
We've
received
your
email,
but
have
those
good
processes
in
place
to
ensure
we
truly
resolve
the
issues
and
that
we're
tracking
the
data
so
that
we
can
identify
where
there
are
patterns.
N
So
what
we
heard
from
the
community-
and
this
is
the
follow-up
survey-
that
the
Asheville
Downtown
Association
conducted
I-
believe
in
June,
as
we
were
already
seeing
some
of
the
great
results
of
the
60-day
downtown
safety
initiative,
so
I
believe
there
was
a
survey
conducted
in
February
and
then
a
survey
conducted
in
June.
So
we
did
see
some
improvements.
N
Some
of
those
improvements
that
we
noticed
in
the
data
were
the
top
concern
shifted
from
reducing
homelessness
to
safety,
reducing
criminal
activities,
so
in
February,
38
percent
indicated
safety
and
criminal
activity
is
a
top
concern
and
then
48
percent
in
June.
There
are
also
fewer
staff
and
customers
expressing
concerns
about
feeling
unsafe,
so
that
went
down
from
78
to
72
percent
in
a
higher
portion
of
respondents
said
they
felt
safe
during
the
day
as
a
result
of
the
efforts
we
had
downtown,
so
this
went
up
from
34
to
46
percent.
N
What
we
heard
from
the
community,
so
here's
a
snapshot
on
cleanliness,
respondents
rated
downtown
as
cleaner,
which
is
a
plus
and
what
was
one
of
our
key
goals
as
a
part
of
this
initiative,
cleanliness
as
a
result
of
this
data
and
what
we
continue
to
hear
as
we're
out
in
the
public
Remains
the
most
pressing
infrastructure
priority
and
the
need
for
lighting
increasing,
is
in
importance
and
I
know.
That
was
a
big
discussion
as
a
part
of
the
safety
walks
that
occurred
throughout
this
initiative.
N
So,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
start
at
the
start
of
my
presentation,
what
I
want
to
make
sure
you
all
hear
is
that,
while
the
60-day
pilot
period
is
over,
we
continue
to
have
ongoing
services
in
the
downtown
area
and
a
lot
of
the
great
lessons
learned
that
we
had.
We
are
going
to
continue
and
look
at
how
we
can
refine
throughout
the
course
of
this
new
fiscal
year.
So
APD
will
continue
to
have
a
proactive
presence.
This
includes
an
increased
presence
as
a
priority
in
the
downtown
area
extension
of
the
community
responder
program.
N
Right
now,
it's
going
to
continue
as
a
pilot
as
we
look
to
determine
what
that
long-term
Service
delivery
model
will
be
for
that
program.
I
already
mentioned
the
prioritization
of
lighting
improvements,
we've
got
improved
systems
of
tracking
and
then,
as
I
also
mentioned.
We've
also
got
better
internal
cross-training
so
that
other
staff
know
how
to
report
lighting
outages
as
well.
N
We've
also
got
a
lot
of
work
going
on
in
terms
of
parking
garage
safety
right
now,
I
believe
today,
if
not
today
than
Monday
a
request
for
proposals
for
security
services
at
our
parking
decks
is
going
to
be
advertised.
We're
also
working
with
our
IT
services
department
to
install
more
safety
security
cameras
in
our
parking
garages
and
the
more
proactive
noise
and
Zoning
enforcement
working
to
provide
more
education
and
Outreach
on
those
issues.
N
Foreign
Services
we've
got
a
commitment
to
addressing
homelessness.
We've
got
Outreach
Services
through
several
of
our
Community
Partners
again,
the
community
responders
are
working
on
improving
relationships
there
and
having
better
processes
for
how
we
can
get
those
services
to
people
in
need,
and
then
staff
is
working
with
County
with
Dogwood
Health,
as
well
as
with
our
homeless
initiatives
advisory
committee,
it's
early
so
I
have
to
remember
what
all
these
acronyms
stand
for
on
implementing
recommendations
from
the
National
Alliance
and
homelessness
to
restructure
our
leadership
and
governance.
N
Around
homeless
Services
enhance
Outreach,
improve
encampment
response,
as
well
as
improve
our
shelter
capacity
in
the
community,
also
continuing
our
focus
on
downtown
cleanliness
with
seven
day
a
week,
trash
collection.
We
have
a
new
contract
for
buyer,
biohazard
cleanup
as
well
as
hot
spot
cleaning,
and
then
there
are
nine
dedicated
public
work
staff
who
are
focused
on
cleanliness.
We
also
have
additional
contracted
services
for
litter
and
pressure,
washing
ucw
and
sea
Landscaping
out
in
downtown
regularly.
N
Also
Security
in
Parks
I've
already
mentioned,
are
parking
garages,
but
we've
got
security
coverage
now
seven
days
a
week
in
our
parks
with
additional
evening
coverage
and
the
summer,
and
then
we
have
additional
contracted
maintenance
to
improve
just
the
Aesthetics
of
our
downtown
Parks
I
know:
I've
noticed
a
difference
just
in
the
past
couple
of
weeks
as
I
walked
out
downtown
looking
at
Pritchard
Park
and
then
improved
coordination
and
follow-up.
I've
already
mentioned
our
new
constituent
services
manager.
N
She
has
just
started,
and
so
right
now
she's
really
in
that
data
collection
mode,
getting
a
better
understanding
of
the
different
tools
that
we
currently
have
and
I
think
her
Focus
initially
is
going
to
be.
How
do
we
increase
the
use
and
improve
the
experience
that
residents
have
as
they're
using
the
Asheville
app
calling
a
customer
services
line
and
then
longer
term
she's
going
to
be
looking
at?
Are
there
better
Solutions
out
there
to
ensure
that
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
residents
and
business
owners?
N
So,
of
course,
this
was
a
city
initiative,
but
it
focused
not
only
on
what
we
can
do
as
a
city
organization,
but
how
we
can
better
connect
with
residents
better
connect
with
business
owners,
as
well
as
our
Community
Partners,
including
the
county,
including
the
non-profit
agencies,
so
ways
that
residents
can
help,
of
course
continue
reporting
those
concerns
using
the
Asheville
app.
We
also
want
your
feedback
on
your
experience.
Using
the
Asheville
app
call
the
APD
non-emergency
line
at
828-252-1110.
N
You
can
also
submit
anonymous
tips
by
text,
tip,
2,
APD
and
then,
as
I
already
mentioned.
No
one
entity
can
completely
solve
these
problems
by
ourselves,
and
so
we
are
asking
that
all
of
you
be
a
part
of
the
solution
and
Sustainable
Solutions
are
better
than
quick
fixes.
Consistency
in
patients
are
key,
so
we're
going
to
be
trying
new
things
throughout
the
course
of
this
new
fiscal
year
that
just
started
in
July
and
looking
at
as
we
go
into
our
next
budget
season.
N
N
So
these
are
the
same
key
takeaways
again,
we've
got
ongoing
efforts
that
we
have
developed
as
a
part
of
the
lessons
learned
from
our
60-day
downtown
safety
and
cleanliness
pilot
and
safety
and
cleanliness
continues
to
be
prioritized
in
our
organization,
we're
continuing
to
assess
resource
needs
and
partnership
opportunities
to
continue
to
enhance
all
of
our
experience
in
our
wonderful
downtown.
So
with
that
happy
to
answer
your
questions,
we've
got
a
lot
of
great
staff
here
who
can
answer
questions
as
well,
and
I
will
take
down
these
slides.
A
Okay,
I'll
go
first.
So
what
of
the
initiative
that
you
started
in
the
60-day
pilot
program
has
stopped
if
anything.
N
N
But
so
so
they're
looking
at
what
is
sustainable
to
make
sure
that
they
can
continue
to
provide
the
level
of
Service
downtown
while
also
meeting
the
needs
that
they
have
across
the
city,
so
example,
our
graffiti
crew
doesn't
just
serve
downtown.
There
are
tags
all
across
the
city,
so
they're
not
just
focusing
right
now
on
downtown,
like
they
were
during
that
60-day
initiative,
they
are
back
to
having
a
more
community-wide
Focus.
N
We
hope
that,
because
we
were
able
to
clean
up
4
000
graffiti
tags
that
that's
going
to
curb,
maybe
the
frequency
with
with
the
tagging
that's
occurring,
but
we
do
have
to
have
those
resources
available
and
they
don't
just
do
graffiti
cleanup,
they're,
also
backup
litter,
cleanup,
Crews
and
so
making
sure
that
we've
got
a
more
sustainable
model.
City-Wide
is
one
of
the
examples
where
it's
not
that
we've
completely
stopped
those
services
in
the
downtown
area.
A
So
so
Public
Works
is
really
the
only
one,
that's
kind
of
backed
off
from
the
from
from
what
was
started
in
the
60-day
initiative.
K
B
Just
add
that
it's
an
ongoing
learning
process
so,
for
example,
Public
Works
was
checking
trash
cans
multiple
times
a
day
to
see
if
they
needed
to
be
emptied.
They
that
was
an
increased
service
during
a
period
of
time
and
then
they
determined
that
they
they
didn't
need
to
be.
So
they
now
are
just
doing
that
once
a
day.
So
I
think
there's
adjustment
as
we
go,
but
no
I
wouldn't
say:
there's
anything
that
that
was
happening
and
then
has
just
stopped.
A
Next
question:
who's
going
to
continue
to
run.
This
is
this
now
a
permanent
part
of
Dana's
portfolio,
semi-permanent
or.
K
N
It's
Dana
has
been
a
leader
of
a
great
team,
and
so
this
is
only
going
to
be
sustainable
if
we
have
multiple
staff
that
are
involved
and
committed
to
this
effort.
So
even
though
the
60-day
initiative
has
ended,
we
are
still
meeting
regularly
again.
We
mentioned
we've
had
a
lot
of
benefit
with
that
group
being
in
the
same
room
in
the
same
place.
We've
also
got
29
Haywood,
where
we've
got
staff
operating
out
of
there
and
sharing
ideas.
So
it's
making
sure
that
those
staff
are
clear
what
their
responsibilities
and
expectations
are.
N
It's
also
continuing
to
track
and
monitor
that
data.
So
if
we
see
an
uptick
in
the
amount
of
litter
we're
collecting,
maybe
we
need
to
look
at
our
service
delivery
model
there.
If
we're
seeing
an
uptick
in
calls
for
a
specific
type
of
service,
maybe
we
need
to
address
our
service
delivery
model,
but
it's
going
to
be
looking
at
that
data
again
and
using
that
to
inform
what
are
some
of
those
longer
term
solutions
that
we
need
to
look
at
as
we're
going
into
the
next
budget
cycle.
A
N
The
community
responder
program
is
solely
with
the
Asheville
Fire
Department,
the
county
has
their
Community
Paramedic
program
and
so
we're
right
now
continuing
the
pilot
with
existing
City
general
fund
dollars.
We
also
have
opioid
settlement
funds
and
so
right
now
we're
kind
of
looking
at
what
is
that
Service
delivery
model
look
like,
and
what
would
we
be
using
our
opioid
dollars
to
fund
to
supplement
what
we're
planning
on
spending
in
the
general
fund
to
support
those
firefighters
who
are
serving
as
Community
responders.
N
You
can
get
it
in
the
line
item,
that's
correct,
because
we
don't
know
what
the
long-term
Service
delivery
model
is.
So
we
are
continuing
to
fund
those
positions,
we're
continuing
to
look
at
the
pilot
and
then,
as
we
look
longer
term,
what
is
that
Service
delivery
model?
Look
like
that'll,
be
when
part
of
next
year's
budget
process
we
look
at.
Is
this
going
to
be
five
permanent
firefighters
that
are
dedicated
to
the
program?
Are
we
going
to
have
two
peer
support?
Specialists.
A
This
may
be
more
of
a
question
for
ab,
so
so
you've
collected
a
lot
of
data
that
we
weren't
necessarily
collecting
as
much
of
prior
to,
but
in
some
of
the
data.
Even
though
we've
stepped
up
a
police
presence,
we
have
increases
in
property.
Crime
increases
in
violent
crime.
Is
that
reporting
or
is
that
incidence,
because
I
think
we
were
having
an
issue
with
some
people?
We're
not
reporting
things
prior
to
this
initiative,
yeah.
F
We
do
and
my
name
is
Mike
lamb,
I'm,
a
deputy
chief
of
the
Asheville
Police
Department,
so
we
did
see
an
increase
in
both
violent
crime
and
property
crime
during
the
initiative.
If,
if
you
look
at
there
was
I,
don't
know
there
was
the
slide
wasn't
in
there,
but
if.
K
K
F
F
So,
yes,
we
had
our
non-initiated
non-officer
initiated
calls
for
service
go
up
slightly,
but
they
pretty
much
stayed
the
same
as
the
during
2020
during
last
summer
or
last
spring
so
office.
You
can
see
there
under
the
officer
initiated
calls
for
service
slide
that
proactivity
significantly
increased.
So
with
the
increased
officer
presence
officers
and
I'll
go
to
the
next
slide
too.
You
can
see
there
under
the
violent
crime
by
week
where
the
initiative
began,
and
then
you
can
see
the
incidents
increased.
So
just
to
point
out.
F
This
is
crime
that
more
than
likely
has
been
happening
there,
but
because
of
the
reduced
officer
presence,
it's
oftentimes
not
reported
or
the
officers
don't
witness
it.
So
this
is
a
result
of
officers
witnessing
crimes
in
progress
and
then
and
then,
when
they
witnessed
that
crime
they
address
that
crime.
They
make
an
arrest.
They
do
an
incident
report.
So
it's
because
of
the
increased
presence
that
that's
why
we
saw
an
increase
within
the
the
property
crime
and
the
violent
crime.
F
Like
one
example
that
I
spoke
about
earlier
this
week
was
I
was
working
downtown
and
the
shop
owner
flagged
me
down
about
a
lady
that
is
shoplifted
and
we
found
other
evidence
of
other
shoplifting
events
on
her.
So
we
contacted
those
businesses
downtown
and
was
able
to
return
the
property,
and
then
those
were
the
additional
things
that
she
were
charged
with.
So
those
were
just
out
of
that
one.
You
know
somebody
flagging
down
an
officer
and
saying
hey.
This
event
happened
that
led
to
three
incidents
of
of
shoplifting,
and
also
she
had
methamphetamines
on
her.
F
O
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
Sheriff
Miller.
Thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
a
couple
of
questions.
What
is
the
future
partnership?
Look
like
between
the
sheriff's
department
and
APD
and
on
the
community
responder
program
with
the
fire
department.
There
is
a
breakdown
in
communication
that
I
have
witnessed,
and
what
is
the
plan
to
get
that
solved?
Can.
O
It
I
would
be
happy
to
thank
you
shocker,
so
there
was
a
situation
that
somebody
was
graffiting,
the
back
of
our
building
during
the
day
at
the
very
time
that
one
of
the
fire
department
officers,
if
they
can
be
called
that
responders,
was
in
our
store
asking
us.
So
how
do
you
think
it's
going?
Well?
Our
manager
was
out
back
addressing
this
graffiti
issue.
Saying:
hey,
stop
it
I,
don't
want
to
clean
that
up.
Please
stop
and
then
the
community
responders
came
out
to
talk
to
him
and
they
were
like.
O
O
F
Yeah,
so
you
know,
especially
with
the
and
I'll,
let
the
teacher.
Can
we
talk
about
that?
Okay,
so
I'll?
Let
I'll
let
TJ
talk
about
the
the
incident,
but
you
know
as
far
as
communication
goes.
That's
always
something
that
we're
wanting
to
improve
on
and
a
lot
of
it
depends
on
calls
for
service
at
that
time.
There's
a
lot
of
different
factors
that
go
into
the
decision
to
address
or
or
Not
address
in
them.
So
you
know
I'm,
sorry
that
that
that
happened
especially
there
at
the
business.
F
But
you
know
I,
do
I.
Think
the
one
of
the
powerful
things
about
this
initiative
is
the
increased
partnership
not
only
between
us
APD
fire,
but
also
the
public
works,
the
especially
the
cleanup
so
I
think
this
is
going
to
continue
to,
especially
with
communication
with
different
departments.
Working
together
is
just
going
to
continue
to
get
better
to
where
we'll
have
a
safer,
cleaner
downtown.
F
We
appreciate
the
partnership
with
the
sheriff's
office.
We
appreciate
the
extra
presence,
especially
since
they
helped
us
out
during
the
weekends
late
at
night,
because
that's
you
know
that's
where
folks
in
the
and
their
responses
said:
they've
felt
most
unsafe
was
during
the
late
at
night
hours,
so
having
them
with
those
foot
patrols
was
was
helpful.
The
the
presence
was
helpful.
So
we
couple
that
with
the
the
investigations
and
the
arrests
and
presence
from
from
the
officers
that
that
we
had
downtown
you
coupled
those
together
and
it
you
can
see
from
the
initiative.
F
Even
though
crime
increased
you
know
what
does
it
look
like
downtown
as
the
perception
is?
How
do
people
feel?
And
you
know
we
hear
that
people,
especially
during
the
daytime-
feel
a
lot
safer.
So
you
know
we're
dedicated
to
having
that
proactive
presence
downtown
now
that
may
fluctuate
because
we're
we
address
crime.
We
take
a
data
driven
approach,
so
we
we
put
officers
where
crime
is
happening.
Unfortunately,
we've
had
two
juveniles
shot
in
the
last
two
nights.
So
last
night
we
had
another
juvenile
shooting
or
get
shot
in
the
South
Side
area.
F
So
there's
you
may
not
see
as
much
foot
patrol
because
of
that,
because
we
have
to
have
officers
in
their
vehicles
being
able
to
respond
if
these
incidents
happen,
but
as
crime
fluctuates.
That
will
depend
on
the
number
of
officers
that
are
downtown,
but
we'll
continue
to
have
a
proactive
presence
within
the
downtown
area.
F
Well,
I
mean,
and
we,
the
we've
had
some
good
hiring
groups.
You
know
we
had
four
that
we
swore
in
last
week
and
then
we
have
five
that
we've
hired
that
are
getting
ready
to
start
BLT
at
the
end
of
the
month.
The
we're
kind
of
breaking
even
between
retirements
and-
and
you
know,
the
handful
of
resignations
that
we're
having
so
our
you
know.
Our
hope
is
that
that
we
we
can
continue
to
get
recruits
and
get
larger
pulls
of
recruits.
But
you
know,
like
I,
spoke
about
earlier
this
week.
C
I
guess
what
might
help
us
is
understanding
how
staffed
up
we
have
to
be
before
that
can
be
an
option
again,
you
know,
is
it
several
years
out?
Is
it
10
years
we've
heard
all
these
numbers
I
would
love
a
little
insight.
What
more
you
can
tell
us
about
the
463
verbal
warnings.
He
knows
that
everybody
gets
five
warnings
or
one
like.
What's
the
process
there,
and
will
it
just
indefinitely
be
verbal
warnings
or
so.
F
It's
you
know,
it's
officer,
discretion
most
most
encounters
that
we
have,
as
is
evident
by
the
data,
is
that
folks,
whenever
they
see
a
uniform
and
they
see
that
it
is
a
police
officer,
they
understand
that
you
know
if,
if
they,
if
they
don't
comply,
and
these
These
are
usually
just
trespassing
or
loitering
or
or
some
some
very
minor
charge,
if
they
don't
comply
with
that,
then
there's
going
to
be
a
consequence
for
that.
F
So
most
of
the
time
when
officers
approach
folks
and
and
ask
them
to
comply
with
whatever
the
instruction
is
that
that
they
do
so,
and
it
also
I
think,
speaks
to
the
the
relationships
that
officers
have
with
folks
downtown
and
in
the
areas
with
that
compliance
that
that
voluntary
compliance
that
happens
so
and
that
that's
good,
that
we
have
more
folks
that
are
being
voluntary,
compliant
and
then
only
having
you
know.
Out
of
the
whole
initiative,
we
had
approximately
a
100,
I,
think
94
arrests
and
then
50
something
citations.
F
And
then
we
made
some
key
arrests
with
some
folks
that
were
really
causing
a
lot
of
issues
downtown,
and
so
that
also
sends
a
message
as
far
as
compliance,
because
you
know
prior
to
the
initiative,
we
one
thing
we
heard
was
that
and
from
a
lot
of
different
folks
were
that
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
consequences
for
outrageous
behavior.
So
that
was
our
goal
in
the
initiative
was
to
show
that,
yes,
there
are
consequences
for
outrageous
behavior.
A
If
you
gave
an
answer,
I
missed
it
I
apologize
I.
Think
Michelle
asked
what
are
the
plans
for
the
continued
partnership
between
the
sheriff's
department
and
APD.
F
Yeah
I
know
we've
been
in
talks,
I
met
with
major
Ledford
earlier
this
week
and
so
we're
it's
something
that
that
we're
discussing
there's
no
definite
concrete
plans
right
now,
but
we're
always
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
work
together.
Better
Sheriff.
Do
you
want
us?
Okay,.
A
Questions
for
specifically
for.
A
O
O
C
This
is
a
good
question
in
general,
so
if
I'm
a
business
or
resident
downtown
or
someone
that
sees
somebody
experiencing
what
doesn't
appear
to
be
a
crime,
but
maybe
a
mental
health
incident,
what
I'm
hearing
is
you
have
an
option?
You
can
use
the
app
or
you
can
call
the
non-emergency
number
right
and
in
the
case
that,
so
what
did
you
call
that
got
the
community
responder
program.
Q
C
O
That
we
need
to
then
get
the
message
out
that
this
is
ongoing,
because
folks
felt
safe
coming
downtown
for
that
60
days.
Presumably,
and
now
it's
like
well,
what
happens
on
the
61st?
Is
it
a
diet
that
then,
all
of
a
sudden
we're
good
we're
skinny
for
the
rest
of
our
lives
in
getting
that
message
across
that
it
is
clean
and
safe
downtown
and
that
folks
still
can
come
downtown
to
eat
work
and
play,
because
this
is
a
vital
economic
hub
for
our
whole
region.
Well,.
C
And
that's
an
Asheville
Downtown
Association
survey.
So
maybe
that's
something
that
the
Ada
can
continue
to
do
every
six
months
or
something
so
we
can
at
least
get
input,
but
it
would
be
really
helpful
if
the
data
was
still
being
collected
on
the
city.
Side
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
huge
lift
or
what
but.
A
So
I
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
data
and
you
mentioned
it
with
the
public
works,
so
we
had
to
shift
some
resources
basically
away
from
some
other
areas.
Do
we
have
any
data
so
I've
got
I've
got
two
questions
regarding
the
data.
Do
we
have
any
data
that
there's
been
a
increase
in
incidents,
lack
of
safety,
cleanliness
in
other
areas
of
the
city,
because
we
drew
resources?
That's
my
first
question.
My
second
question
is
one
that
I
had
kind
of
asked
earlier
we're
collecting
a
lot
of
information
from
the
community
responder
APD
side.
A
Do
we
have
any
even
anecdotal
evidence
of
how
this
is
hitting
those
who
are
being
contacted,
the
the
people
that
are
being
arrested
or
or
or
responded
to
so
so
I,
don't
know
who
answers
those
two
questions,
but
those
are
my
my
two
questions
before
we
really
get
into
comment.
B
The
community
responders
have
some
they're
asking
specific
questions
when
they're
engaging
with
folks,
so
they
have
some
really
good
input
and
information
that
we
haven't.
You
know
been
at
the
point
to
do
a
whole
presentation
about,
but
I
think
there's
some
really
good
learning
going
on
there.
Okay,
in
terms
of
impacts.
A
B
We
haven't
heard
so
there
haven't
been
spikes
in
crime
outside
of
downtown,
which
is
obviously
something
that
we
were
looking
at
during
this
period
and
there
haven't
been
increased
concerns
from
the
community
about
anything.
In
particular.
I
know.
You
know,
some
resources
were
shifted
related
to
mowing,
but
that
had
you
know
we're
so
there's
just
it's
it's
on
a
very
like
granular.
A
Very
much
so
maybe
we
can
table
the
discussion
on
how
obviously
this
is
impacting
a
variety
of
of
groups
of
citizens
and
stakeholders
and
just
visitors
to
downtown
and
I'm
very
interested
in
the
discussion
of
how
this
affects
those
who
are,
you
know,
we've
increased
police
and
how
does
it
feel
to
be
policed?
Increased
increasingly,
you
know
is,
is
that
is
that
working
on
both
sides
of
the
equation,
and
if
we
don't
have
that
data
yet
then
we
can.
A
We
can
have
that
discussion
later,
any
other
comments
or
questions
before
we
open
this
up
for
public
comment.
No.
L
That's
why
I'm
with
that
yeah,
you
could
tell
I
guess
one
of
my
questions
this
might
be
for,
for
you,
Mike
is
you
know
when
we
are
perhaps
from
the
fire
department.
You
know
when
we're
sending
out
to
community
responders,
there's
times
when
the
responders
are
showing
up
and
and
they're
saying
like
well,
we
are
not.
We
need
someone
who
has
the
power
of
arrest
to
show
up.
You
know
when
we
are
sending
because
I've
I'm,
really
it
makes
it
really
hopeful.
L
When
I
see
the
community
paramedics
out
there
because
they're
part
of
a
longer
term
solution
than
frankly,
your
department
can
provide
for
most
of
these
folks
and
so
I'm
I
I'm
really
excited
to
see
them,
but
I
know
there's
also
times
when
a
dangerous
situation
can
arise.
How
are
when
we're
leading
with
our
Community
paramedic
response?
Is
it?
How
often
is
it
that
they
say
hey?
We
need
help
from
someone
with
a
badge.
F
So
first
say
I
think:
that's
why
it's
important
to
to
report
incidents
or
somebody
that
seems
to
be
in
crisis
by
calling
the
non-emergency
number
or
calling
9-1-1
instead
of
using
Nashville
app,
because
it's
a
faster
response,
but
you
also
have
a
dispatcher
who
is
trained
to
see
like
what
are.
How
is
the
situation
unfolding?
Because
most
of
these
situations
are
Dynamic
and
it
could
be
not
dangerous
one
second
and
then
turn
dangerous.
F
So
there
have
been
times
where
both
the
community
responders
and
the
community
paramedics
have
got
on
a
scene
and
then
said:
well,
you
know
there's
a
weapon
involved
or
we
need
APD
here
to
help
mitigate
whatever's
going
on
and
then
go
back
and
forth,
and
then
we
also
call
the
community
responders,
and
so
whenever
we
folks
need
resources
instead
of
law
enforcement.
So
but.
R
R
We're
learning
every
day
as
we
go
along
with
the
program
we've
had.
We
have
made
a
lot
of
great
changes
in
it
and
we
we
can't
fix
everything
but
for
an
example
to
your
question.
Two
of
our
Personnel
were
modern:
the
parking
decks.
It's
been
a
big
deal.
They
found
somebody
actively
break
it
into
a
vehicle
while
they're
there
they
confronted
them
or
we
don't
carry.
We
don't
carry
weapons
and
we
don't.
R
We
don't
arrest,
but
but
my
just
happened
to
be
the
guy
that
just
ran
100
miles
in
a
day
and
the
guy
took
off.
He
chased
him
around
for
15
minutes
got
a
hold
of
APD.
Apd
was
right
on
it.
They
was
able
to
arrest
this
this
man
he
he
obviously
done
this
a
lot.
R
So
we've
seen
we've
seen
crime,
but
we've
got
we've
seen
a
lot
of
good
and
there's
certain
places
in
the
city
that
seem
to
be
maybe
more
of
hot
spots
for
and
we've
been
able
to
collect
that
data
and
focus
on
the
myrias
right
now,
we've
moved
over
into
West
Asheville,
but
we
also
have
a
crew.
That's
downtown,
we're
still
checking
on
businesses.
Checking
daily
and
it
has
made
a
big
Improvement-
our
phone
constantly
rings
from
business
owners
that
are
hey.
R
Can
you
help
out
with
this
and
and
we're
there
every
chance
we
get?
It
is
a
great
program
and
when
we
feel
like
we've
made
a
huge
change,
yes,
but
I
mean
it
stuff
like
that.
So
when
we've
been
able
to
help,
people
get
housing
and
the
resources
they
need
to,
you
know
do
better
get
out
of
their
situations.
So
that's
where,
but
we're
seven
days
a
week
every
day.
R
So,
but
any
more
questions
on
what
I
know.
I've
seen
some
of
y'all
at
their
businesses.
L
Not
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
working
together,
because
that's
I
think
something
that
everybody's
looking
for
is
to
have
all
these
different
departments.
You
know
be
able
to
share
these
resources
and
when
they're,
not
the
right
response
to
be
able
to
get
the
right
response
this.
It
feels
this
does
feel
new
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
new
in
messaging
or
it's
new
in
real
in
real
substance,
but
it
is
refreshing
sure.
R
And
and
that's
a
great
point,
we
get
calls
from
everybody
from
the
police
department.
It's
just
not
the
cause.
We
get
from
their
parking
enforcement
trash
business
owners,
so
it's
everybody
working
together
and
letting
us
know,
because
we
can't
be
everywhere,
but
a
lot
of
people's
told
us
stuff
and
we've
learned
a
lot
and
we've
passed
it
on
to
APD
stuff.
We
can't
handle
we're
here
for
the
business
owners
and
and
for
the
people
in
the
community,
and
we
we
appreciate
it
letting
us
get
the
chance
to
even
do
this
program.
A
You
very
much
so
I
think
I
can
open
it
up
to
public
comment.
Yes,
I,
don't
know
what
did
they
do?
Do
we
need
to
do
a
sign
up
order,
or
what
do
you
think
we.
A
Not
necessarily
try
to
be
orderly,
I
think
I.
Think
we'll
be
okay,
so
anyone
who'd
like
to
come
just
please
state
your
name
I'm,
going
to
kind
of
keep
you
to
three
minutes
I'm
supposed
to
do
that.
I'll
do
the
best
I
can.
S
Good
morning
everybody,
my
name
is
Honor
Moore
I'm,
the
founder
and
co-chair
of
the
Asheville
Coalition
for
Public
Safety.
First
off
I
just
want
to
say
Andrew
Fletcher
you're,
the
snappiest
dresser
on
the
board,
love
old
school.
So
Sage
sent
me
a
text
and
said
you
know.
Maybe
you
all
should
come
down
and
speak.
I
am
a
person
who
grew
up
in
Asheville,
North
Carolina
came
back
via
having
gone
to
school
in
the
inner
city
of
Baltimore,
lived
in
Seattle
Washington
and
then
lived
in
New
York
City,
so
I
want
to
make
it
clear.
S
I've
lived
in
some
big
bad
cities,
I'm,
not
afraid
I'm,
not
a
person
who
walks
around
fearful
in
Life
or
anything
like
that.
I've
worked
in
three
locations
downtown.
My
husband
has
had
a
business
right
around
the
corner,
from
Spicer
green
and
from
Jan
Davis's
business,
hey
Jan,
it's
directly
across
the
street
from
a
hope.
S
S
S
Let
me
just
say
this
to
Eva
Michelle,
an
answer
to
some
of
your
questions.
One
of
the
best
ways
we
can
curb
crime
downtown
is
having
a
police
presence.
It's
plain
and
simple
statistics
show
that
and
as
as
Mike
lamb
said
just
being
out
and
about
and
having
that
presence,
people
simply
behave
differently
in
the
presence
of
an
officer.
It's
like
having
a
teacher
in
a
classroom.
It's
very
simple
when
the
teacher
steps
out-
or
you
have
a
substitute
teacher
kids
do
behave
differently.
S
So
one
of
the
things
our
group
is
doing
is
we're
continuing
to
advocate
for
entry-level
police
salaries.
We
thank
the
city
for
giving
that
extra
one
percent
bump
to
the
police
department,
but
we
are
in
competition
with
places
like
Hickory
that
are
that
are
paying
over
50
000
entry
level.
We
are
in
competition
with
other
cities
to
recruit
officers
who
are
looking
to
how
they're
going
to
retire
one
day
and
have
proper
health
benefits
in
retirement.
S
We
are
not
competitive
with
other
cities
that
are
smaller
than
Asheville,
so
part
of
me,
coming
to
this
particular
meeting,
is
just
to
kind
of.
Let
you
all
know
our
group
is
comprised
of
over
200
people.
We
have
hyper
focused
on
this
issue
since
last
October.
We
show
up
for
all
kinds
of
meetings
we
meet
with
a
lot
of
the
people
that
you
see
in
this
room.
S
I've
met
with
them,
so
we're
learning
just
as
much
as
you
are,
but
I
I
strongly
Advocate
that
we
in
our
budget
next
year
bump
up
those
entry
level
salaries.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
Good
morning,
I'm
David
Nutter
a
city
planner
of
long
experience,
with
great
experience
in
downtown
Baltimore,
downtown
Rochester,
New,
York
and
downtown
Denver,
among
others,
as
I
see
it
downtown
Asheville
is
our
very
precious
revitalization
achievement
in
Asheville
and
is
non-replaceable
so
I'd
just
like
to
congratulate
all
concern
for
this
fine
performance
in
getting
it
back
to
normal.
Please
keep
it
up.
T
Good
morning,
I'm
Jan
Davis
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
me
I,
was
on
Council
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
was
lags
on
to
this.
This
commission
the
entirety
of
that
time
and
appreciate
what
you
all
do.
Sometimes
you
feel
in
your
seat
that
you're
not
hurt
or
not
important,
but
that's
not
true.
Council
members
are
listening
and
it's
really
great
opportunity
to
come
down
and
thank
everyone
for
casting
an
eye
on
North,
End,
South,
End
and
Patton
Avenue
in
that
area.
T
been
there
ever
since
and
invested
in
it,
and
it
was
one
of
the
reasons
I
served
on
Council,
but
the
we
were.
We
had
an
arson
fire
and
on
Good
Friday
and
we're
still
not
back
in
business.
We
will
open
My
Hope
in
another
two
to
three
weeks
and
I'm.
Staying
in
the
same
place
we're
a
neighbor
directly
to
ahope.
As
the
church
has
moved
out
back
of
us,
they
could
not
take
it
any
longer,
just
like
John,
Minkus
and
Jeremy
Goldstein
moved
from
there
earlier.
T
But
we're
still
staying
there
really
can't
afford
to
move
from
one
thing,
but
the
reality
is
that
area
is
still
blighted,
still
hurts
even
with
the
greater
police
presence
it's
better,
but
unfortunately,
and
I
have
great
compassion
for
homeless
or
House
unhoused
people.
The
reality
is,
there's
probably
about
a
hundred
people
that
are
not
seeking
housing.
That's
not
what
they're
about
they're
about
the
the
activity
that
goes
on
there.
We
have
open
open-air
drug
markets
that
go
on
and
a
lot
beside
us
almost
daily.
T
There
are
drug
dealers
that
come
there,
sell
to
the
unhoused
who
sell
it
to
and
prey
upon
their
peers
until
that
stopped
and
the
over
capacity
of
a
Hope
Has
Changed,
that's
not
going
to
end
no
matter
how
many
police
officers
we
have
in
that
area.
They
can't
watch
it
reality
with
with
ahope
being
there
their
over
capacity
for
the
client
base.
They
serve.
Those
people
fall
out
onto
the
street
and
make
it
very
objectionable
for
people
visiting
and
work
by.
Those
of
us
who
work
there
or
people
are
there
to
do.
T
Business
are
afraid
to
drive
down
ancestry.
People
will
sit
with
their
legs
in
the
street,
almost
dare
to
be
hit,
sometimes
doing
things
that
you
would
not
want
your
family
to
see
until
that
stops,
and
we
have
a
new
interim
director
coming
in
next
week.
David
Nash,
who
everyone
knows
and
Dave,
is
a
great
guy.
Marcel
is
a
great
guy
back
there,
and
just
people
try,
but
until
we
get
some
rules
and
get
some
advance
of
those
rules,
we're
never
going
to
make
that
the
doorstep
of
this
community.
T
It
should
be
I,
do
appreciate
the
storm
water
people
coming
in,
and
that
was
on
the
drawing
board
when
I
was
on
Council
several
years
before,
I
left
Council,
so
I'm
glad
to
see
that
coming
to
fruition,
last
redo
of
the
street
was
1988.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
Ms
Campbell
and
it
I
appreciate
the
the
officers
presence
we're
seeing
a
difference
made
by
them
being
there.
So
thanks
for
the
time,
thank
you
for.
U
Hi
I'm
Helen
Hyatt
from
the
South
Orange
board
neighborhood,
which
is
one
of
the
closest
neighborhoods,
and
thank
you
for
all
sitting
here
and
it's
I
live
about
a
15
minute,
walk
from
the
city
and
so
for
the
last
two
years.
I
have
not
walked
the
city
because
it
has
been
so
bad
and
I
did
walk
recently
and
I
was
absolutely
shocked
and
delighted
by
what
is
possible
when
a
city
wants
to
do
something.
U
I
usually
work
only
early
in
the
mornings
the
streets
were
clean.
There
was
no
urine
on
the
streets,
no
people
sleeping
in
the
business
entrances.
There
was
nobody
coming
up.
Do
you
have
any
change?
Can
I
have
a
cigarette?
Half
even
meat,
half
eaten
meals
lying
around
no
feces
in
the
corner.
It
was
great.
It
was
really
great.
U
So
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
with
that,
when
APD
is
there
and
there's
lots
of
folks
around
you
just
don't
feel
safe,
so
I
could
just
quit
going,
and
you
know,
as
most
people
know
a
lot
of
people
quit
going
downtown,
so
it
was
really
uplifting
and
I
really
appreciate
it.
Even
pitch
and
park
was
really
great.
U
I
have
three
separate
issues.
Three
things
on
interest.
The
second
one
I
want
to
go
is
I
would
really
like
to
upload
the
recent
change
of
leadership
with
the
Housing
Authority
money
per
year
has
come
in
and
she
is
awesome.
She
puts
Public
Safety
First
and
she
is
says
she
does
what
she
says.
She's
going
to
do,
there's
been
a
significant
Improvement
in
this
area.
U
Since
she
came
on
board,
she
has
taken
the
initiative
of
hiring
people
that
live
within
the
system
and
given
them
positions
of
power
and
security,
and
the
fellow
at
Aston
towers
as
Steve
Wilson.
He
is
not
a
visible
presence.
He
walks
around
he's
introduced
himself
to
everyone
on
the
street
that
lives
there
he's
there
in
the
evenings,
the
weekends
and
he
gets
on
all
the
people
that
aren't
doing
the
right
thing
and
are
not
behaving
usually
APD
and
the
fire
department
is
cruel
to
Aston
Tower
about
five
or
six
times
a
day.
U
U
Help
out
the
peace
we've
worked
with
the
police
department
very
very
closely.
In
the
10
years
that
I've
been
there,
we
often
meet.
They
come
to
our
neighborhood
meetings
and
they've
been
very
helpful,
but
they
haven't
been
able
to
come
since
they've
had
no
people,
but
so
Monique
is
going
to
do
this
in
all
of
the
housing
authorities.
So
this
should
help
the
city
a
lot,
because
we
see
so
much
of
this
kind,
but
it's
the
physical
presence
of
seeing
a
person
and
getting
into
trouble.
U
If
you
do
bad
things
like
you
pull
the
fire
extinguisher
either
you
shouldn't,
you
know
someone's
going
to
get
on
you
there's
just
people
there.
We're
thankful
that
David
Nash
did
put
the
large
fence
around
there.
That
people
could
not
cut
the
wire
and
I
just
still
experience
a
lot
of
negative
downflow
from
the
four
agencies
at
the
top
of
the
street.
U
They
come
down,
they
go
from
the
encampments
up
and
down
the
street
and
they
leave
their
needles,
their
meals
and
everything
all
the
way
up
and
down.
We've
had
fires
in
the
Delta
house,
the
basement,
which
is
a
kids
after
school
program,
significant
damage,
the
varic
chapel,
a
fire
in
their
basement,
significant
damage,
158
South,
French,
Broad
and
assault
where
the
person
ended
up
in
the
hospital
220
South
French
Broad.
U
They
took
all
the
mail
out
of
the
thing
built
a
fire
on
the
deck
and
nearly
burnt
that
man's
house
down
and
the
bus
stop
in
front
of
the
middle
school.
All
the
folks
that
used
to
sit
in
Prichard
Park
are
now
sitting
in
front
of
the
Middle
School
smoking
their
crack
because
they
purchased
it
in
that
area
and
we
still
have
a
steady
stream
of
prostitutes
Crimson
John's,
but
we
are
not
bothering
APD
because
we
know
you
couldn't
have
you
to
work
on
it,
but
that
they're
still
there.
U
We
have
six
new
girls
working
there
now
and
it's
not
so
much
the
girls,
but
the
Johns
are
a
big
big
problem.
So,
if
any,
if
you've
ever
done
a
ride
around
with
an
APD
officer,
I
would
beg
you
to
do
it
to
see
what
a
day
in
a
life
of
a
police
officer
is
because
it
is
so
difficult,
and
many
of
us
have
done
this
and
it
is
worth
doing
and
actual
needs.
U
Q
Hello
and
she
goes
direct
downtown
resident
and
Asheville
native
crime
is
really
bad
in
downtown
I've
seen
it
all.
I
can
sit
here
all
day
and
tell
you
what
I've
seen
and
you
say.
Well,
if
you
don't
have
a
video
I,
don't
believe
it.
It's
true.
We've
got
a
major
issue
with
the
ministry
down
here.
When
you
come
inside
the
city,
Patton
Avenue,
Haywood,
Ministries,
you've
got
tents
set
up
there.
Almost
every
single
day,
you've
got
clothes,
they're
still
lined
up
on
the
fence.
Q
There
you've
got
to
turn
people
sleeping
under
their
Tarts,
and
this
is
happening
every
day.
So
when
they
ask
the
people
that
has
the
blue
tart
to
leave,
guess
where
they
went
across
the
street
on
the
Duke
Power
Company
in
the
big
tarp
is
set
up
there
with
buggies
and
trash
all
over
the
place
and
as
of
a
hope,
that's
not
safe
either.
Q
They
can't
tell
them
to
leave
because
they
said
oh
they're,
on
State
Property
and
there's
trash
all
over
the
city.
What
kind
of
image
does
that
give
our
city
when
you
see
that
everybody
coming
into
the
city
and
leaving
the
city?
What
kind
of
image
have
you
all
seen
this
anybody
here
seen
that
it
needs
to
stop
most
of
those
people
that
are
camped
out,
they're,
very
dangerous
criminals.
I
know
that
for
a
fact
he
knows
it.
She
knows
it.
Q
We
don't
need
these
people
roaming,
the
streets
and
doing
what
they
want
getting
their
fix
running
back
in
their
tent
running
up
down
a
hope
and
laying
up
and
down
the
streets.
It's
not
acceptable.
We
need
something
done
with
a
hope
and
we
need
something
done
with
that:
Ministries
because
they're
just
enabling
these
people.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
I
Good
morning
everybody
Marcus
laws,
homeless,
Services
director
for
Homeward,
Bound,
I,
oversee
ahope
and
I
will
start
out
by
saying
that
to
everybody's
concerns
we
do
not
condone
any
of
those
behaviors.
Over
this
past
year,
I
have
actively
spent
my
days
when
administrative
work
should
be
done
going
up
and
down
ahope
with
my
Ann
Street,
with
my
staff,
picking
up
trash
asking
people
to
leave.
I
One
of
the
most
significant
challenges
I
encountered
when
I
began
was
a
substance
use
that
was
occurring
at
the
facility,
and
that
was
the
first
thing
that
we
stopped.
One
thing
that
folks
may
not
know
is
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
you
see
on
the
sidewalks
are
folks
that
have
been
barred
from
services
for
the
exact
same
reasons
that
have
been
expressed
by
Honor,
by
Jan
and
and
by
this
lady
here,
Sheila.
Yes,
so
I
want
you
guys
to
know
that
we
don't
condone
those
behaviors.
I
Our
goal
is
to
partner
with
the
community
community
members
Community
agencies.
We
have
plenty
of
meetings
with
APD
and
and
City
staff
are
working
with
Buncombe
County
I'm
working
with
Hyatt
right
now
on
multiple
resolutions
to
limit
the
amount
of
people
that
we
are
seeing
at
a
hope
to
limit
the
hours
to
have
more
targeted
interventions,
because
we
do
understand
that
it's
an
issue.
I
The
main
difference
I
would
say
for
for
me
when
it
comes
to
this
issue,
is
I:
don't
have
the
ability
to
shy
away
from
it,
I
tend
to
wade
into
it,
and
it's
not
a
situation.
It
does
make
it
dangerous.
For
me,
it
does
make
it
dangerous
for
my
staff,
so
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
and
say
that
it's
not
a
situation.
That
is
not
an
issue.
It
very
much
is
one.
It's
one.
I
I
believe
that
unless
we
do
this
work
as
a
community
that
it
won't
get
done,
and
we
will
continue
to
have
these
issues
I,
don't
think
that
we
can
sit
back
in
and
put
the
responsibility
to
a
few
people.
I
think
we
all
have
to
come
and
be
solution
focused
and
really
talk
about
what
the
issues
is
and
how
we
can
resolve
them.
Together,
so
there
are
multiple
issues
around
services
that
are
being
provided.
I
Asheville
is
not
the
only
city
that
I've
worked
in
I've
worked
in
Fort
Lauderdale
I
worked
in
Miami
I've
worked
in
West,
Palm
Beach,
and
some
of
the
central
things
that
happen
when
we're
trying
to
address
issues
with
homelessness
is
that
the
community
is
always
involved.
They
always
have
a
voice,
and
it's
not
about
blaming
or
complaining
it's
about
us
getting
together
and
fixing
it.
So
that
would
be
my
call
for
everything
that
said.
I
I
will
continue
to
work
and
I
will
continue
to
walk
up
and
down
the
street
every
single
day
and
ask
people
to
move
and
I
try
and
keep
people
from
using
on
that
street
and
do
the
best
that
I
can
I
know.
My
staff
will
do
the
best
that
they
can
and
we'll
do
our
best
to
find
a
resolution,
and
if
you
have
one
we're
willing
to
listen,
I'm
willing
to
implement
any
strategies
possible.
I
A
T
A
T
A
great
opportunity,
mayor
mannheimer,
suggested
that
there
be
a
meeting
of
the
people
that
are
affected
by
a
hope.
Those
people
both
work
there
I
know
that
manager
Campbell
has
also
waded
into
that
a
bit,
but
this
might
be
the
perfect
group
to
put
that
meeting,
convene
a
meeting
of
those
people
that
are
affected
most
directly
by
the
actions
of
a
hope,
including
Marcus,
that
and
and
the
new
director
to
sit
down
and
talk
about
what
we
can
do.
T
The
the
thing
is
over
capacity
and
unfortunately,
shorter
hours
and
doing
less
service
for
for
fewer
clients
are
going
to
put
more
people
on
the
street.
Quite
frankly,
that's
the
problem.
We
have
now
it's
over
capacity,
so
they're
outside
wandering
up
and
down
had
a
shooting,
also
on
my
corner
that
I
failed
to
mention
about
a
month
after
my
my
arson
fire,
which
was
started
by
homeless
people
or
people
that
are
just
out
about
to
strike
out,
in
fact,
There
Were
Three
Fires
that
week.
T
So
this
is
serious
stuff
and
this
either
the
council
or
a
downtown
Commission,
or
even
the
Downtown
Association,
that
Megan
used
to
be
such
a
part
of
would
all
be
great,
conveners
great
people
to
put
at
a
table,
but
we
do
need
to
be
heard
and
we
need
to
be
taken
seriously.
It's
we've
got
a
lifetime.
Even
Michelle's
family
I've
been
in
this
thing
back
before
the
revitalization
that
David
talked
about
it's
important.
We
can't
let
this
go
downhill
more
than
it
has.
Thank
you.
S
Hear
everybody
speak
and
just
like
you
all
you,
you
want
to
follow
up
with
a
few
thoughts,
especially
since
Deborah
Campbell's,
here
hi
Deborah,
the
city
used
to
have
a
board
a
commission
for
Public
Safety.
They
don't
have
that
anymore.
Ironically,
they
had
it
when
it
was
a
safer
City.
Now
that
we're
having
all
these
conversations,
they
combined
the
climate
change
with
the
public
safety
which
to
our
group,
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense.
S
They
combined
all
of
that
and
so
Maggie
Allman's
in
charge
of
that,
but
she's
really
a
climate
change
person.
You
know
it's
like.
We
really
need
a
dedicated
board.
In
my
opinion,
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say
about
a
hope
and
I
had
the
pleasure
of
meeting
you,
which
was
great
and
yes,
you
guys
are
trying
to
do
great
things.
So
please
note
to
hear
that
from
us,
but
as
I
see
it,
the
problem
with
that
property
is
they're
on
a
postage
stamp
piece
of
land
and
they
own
no
land
around
them.
S
Okay,
so
then
they
don't
have
to
Once.
People
are
off
their
land.
They
don't
have
to
be
responsible.
If
they're
in
the
sidewalks
or
in
the
streets,
they
don't
have
like
a
yard
or
any
place
for
people
to
congregate
in
which
they
watch
Homeward
Bound
has
over
seven
million
dollar
annual
budget.
S
S
So
then,
when
those
people
scatter
and
Scatter
all
over
the
city,
they're
not
responsible,
so
my
husband's
business
partner
will
show
up
for
work
and
literally
see
people
on
the
front
porch
shooting
up
between
their
toes
people,
defecating
people
being
human
people,
struggling
all
those
things
that
we
unfortunately
see
so
that
that
area
is
really
a
problem
and
it
got
a
lot
worse
in
the
last
three
years.
Okay,
thanks.
L
I'd
just
like
to
add
to
thanks
you
guys
for
being
here
and
that
I
see
some
people
with
some
shared
experiences
and
if
you
all
have
not,
if
I
hope
that
some
of
y'all
make
an
attempt
to
walk
out
of
here
and
get
a
coffee
together
and
as
a
con
as
as
Mr
Davis
said
as
a
convener,
you
know
we've
our.
This
is
a
convening
right
now,
if
there's
some
opportunities
for
you
all
to
work
together-
and
you
know
this
Friday
morning
in
City,
Hall
is
when
you
can
take
that
Advantage.
C
Yeah
public
comments
down
I'll
just
say
a
couple
things.
Thank
you
to
everybody
that
came
I
know
some
of
it
was
short
notice,
but
I
think
what
the
commission
is
trying
to
do
here
is
offer
an
ongoing
place
for
this
kind
of
input.
It
may
not
be
this
formal
and
have
this
much
staff
presence
all
the
time.
C
Thank
you
for
all
of
you
who
have
taken
your
time
this
morning
to
be
here,
but
we
want
to
keep
the
conversation
some
kind
of
Avenue
open
around
it
so
that
we
can
continue
to
receive
input
and
give
out
information.
A
lot
of
great
information
was
shared
today
and
we
learn
a
lot
at
least
I
do
in
my
role
that
there's
really
never
a
point
in
which
you
have
given
enough
information.
C
You
can
always
give
more,
and
even
if
it's
repetitive
so
I
want
to
encourage
us
to
continue
to
use
this
commission
as
needed,
but
also
I,
think
you
know
there
was
discussion
around
a
greater
conversation
maybe
needing
to
be
had.
Maybe
you
know,
stakeholders
around
Ann,
Street,
but
also
I,
think
in
the
larger
Community
there's.
Maybe
a
piece
missing,
because
you
know
the
fine
folks
at
APD
can
only
do
so
much
if
the
folks
they
are
arresting
or
released
five
hours
later
and
and
the
punishment
is
not
there's
no
punitive
ongoing
anything.
C
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
those
relationships
and
start
those
conversations
as
well,
because
some
of
this
we're
just
wearing
out
and
over
timing,
our
staff
and
spinning
wheels
that
we
can't
really
solve
things
on
until
we
have
some
more
relationships,
understanding
and
Assets
in
the
community
places
for
folks
to
go
when
they're
experiencing
crisis.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
cogs.
C
We're
still
working
on,
but
I
want
to
encourage
those
larger
conversations,
folks
that
aren't
in
this
room
today,
but
could
be-
and
maybe
that's
something
this
commission
can
continue
to
host
in
the
future
or
something.
But
there
are
more
pieces
I'd
like
to
see
in
this
conversation,
but
really
great
input
today
from
everybody
and
like
Andrew,
said
I.
Think
there's
shared
information,
shared
experiences
and
we
all
want
what's
best
both
for
people
that
are
suffering
from
these
incidents,
but
also
for
the
safety
of
our
community.
I
mean
to
Jan
Davis's
Point.
O
D
A
All
right
well,
thank
you,
everyone
that
was
a
great
discussion
again.
This
was
a
discussion,
not
necessarily
a
formal
presentation.
A
city
staff
is
still
very
much
collecting
and
aggregating
and
processing
the
information.
The
key
takeaways
we
want
the
community
to
understand
this
morning
is
that
this
is
an
ongoing
initiative.
There
are
substantial
resources
continually
being
dedicated
to
this.
We
appreciate
folks
coming
in
and
saying
thank
you
and
we
appreciate
folks
coming
in
and
saying
you
have
more
work
to
do,
especially
here
we
on
this
commission
have
heard
you.
A
We
are
going
to
continue
to
communicate
that
Council
try
to
get
the
resources
where
they
where
they
need
to
be,
and
again
we
really
thank
all
the
the
APD,
the
afd
community,
responders
public
works,
all
the
different
agencies
and
staff
that
have
put
in
a
time
over
and
above
to
really
work
on
this.
Thank
you,
Dana
for
for
pulling
things
together
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
move
on
hey.
C
Brian
may
I
share
one
last
thing:
I
believe
on
Tuesday
I'm,
going
to
the
opening
of
mission
Hospital's
expanded
mental
health
facility.
So
just
a
little
data.
There
I
mean
that's
that's
next
week
and
it's
six
I
think
it's
120
beds
and
that's
going
to
help
as
well.
A
So
with
that
I'll
move
on
to
the
next
order
of
business
pack,
Square
visioning
updates
y'all
can
get
up
and
leave.
It's
fine
Stephanie
won't
mind.
P
Q
H
H
H
I
mean
right
here
we're
focusing
on
a
place
that
we're
trying
to
make
safer
and
more
welcoming
and
more
inclusive
for
everybody.
You
know
I
think
we
walked
around
for
maybe
every
day
for
20
years,
enjoying
pack
square
and
all
the
things
that
the
folks
from
the
pack
Square
Renaissance,
did
in
the
early
2000s
and
then
one
day
we
woke
up
and
there
were
protests
in
the
street,
and
some
of
us
took
a
step
back
and
rethought
about
how
our
public
spaces
feel
to
everyone.
H
So
after
that
there
was
a
joint
City
County
task
force.
We
all
know
this,
that
recommended
to
the
city
that
that
advanced
Monument
come
down
eventually.
City
council
and
County
Commission
put
some
money
together
for
us
to
have
a
visioning
process
to
think
about
inclusivity
in
our
most
Central
Public
space,
and
we've
done
almost
a
year
of
community
engagement
and
I
want
to
thank
you
so
much
for
participating
in
that
and
acting
as
the
umbrella
advisory
body.
Many
of
you
participated
at
the
end
of
June
in
our
community
advisory
committee
meeting.
H
The
news
is:
is
that
we're
releasing
that
plan
for
everybody
to
see
on
July
21st?
So
these
are
the
bookends
that
if
you
walk
away
today,
I
hope
you
remember
this
next
Friday
countdown
has
begun.
Plan
comes
out
on
our
engagement,
Hub
public
input.com.
You
can
tell
everybody
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
24
7.
They
can
provide
comments
over
there
all
day
so
exciting.
It
is
very
exciting
that
we
are.
H
We
are
at
this
point
and
then
we
have
a
few
months
just
a
couple
months
to
do
this
community
engagement
plan
review
process
that
you
will
be
involved
in
and
we
come
out.
The
other
side
very
likely
on
Tuesday
September
12th
unless
something
changes
and-
and
we
present
the
plan
to
council
and
what
you
all
know
is
that
one
of
the
things
we'll
be
talking
about
council
is
not
just
this
plan
and
how
we
can
use
it
as
a
guide.
H
C
C
H
Thank
you
so
Steph
thanks
all
of
all
of
you,
because
we
we
absolutely
I'm
serious,
we
couldn't
do
it
without
you
and
your
input
and
I
was
writing
the
acknowledgments
page
last
night
for
the
plan,
and
you
know
thinking
back
on
it.
So
many
people
have
said
really
critical
key
things,
including
a
lot
of
people
in
this
room
that
have
helped
us
get
to
this
point
or
understand
what
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
be
even
just
fiscally
sustainable
about
things.
H
So
three
things
I
want
to
share
with
you
today
and
they're
all
special
events.
So
these
are.
These
are
cool
things
for
you
know
for
us
to
get
even
deeper
involved
into
this
plan.
So
the
first
thing
is
that
on
Friday
July
28th,
that's
two
weeks
from
now
come
on
down,
tell
people
to
come
on
down.
If
they
love
downtown,
I
bet
you
they
have
their
own
stories
about
how
downtown
was
created
and
what
happens
here.
Well,
we're
going
to
have
Catherine
Calhoun
cut
shawl
from
the
library
talk
about
her
upcoming
book
sidebar.
H
When
we
started
this
public
engagement
process,
I
said
Catherine.
Can
you
write
me
a
little
paper
on
the
the
background
and
the
history
of
downtown?
She
said
yeah
sure
he
said
that
will
be
such
a
great
engagement
tool
as
we
move
forward.
Well,
she
couldn't
stop
and
she
never
gave
me
a
paper
and
she
wrote
a
book.
So
it's
a
really
cool
history
book
about
a
truer,
deeper
history,
about
the
heart
of
our
downtown,
especially
things
related
to
pack
Square
come
on
down.
H
It's
going
to
be
fun,
then
we'll
have
a
little
tiny
break
and
we're
gonna
have
a
big
meeting,
it's
kind
of
a
reboot
or
part,
two
of
that
design,
Workshop
that
many
of
you
went
to
in
January.
So
we
will
have
an
opportunity
to
really
kind
of
go
over
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
all
10
recommendations
which
range
from
you
know
closed
down,
North
pack
Square
to
anything
but
really
pedestrian
friendly
level
traffic
to
create
a
cultural
Corridor,
all
the
way
down.
H
South
Market
Street
that
ties
together
the
disparate
historical
narratives
like
pretty
intense
stuff
right.
So
we
will
be
able
to
go
into
that
with
you
with
the
urban
designer
from
our
team
and
we're
going
to
have
refreshments
and
all
of
those
things
that
help
make
it
a
good
time.
The
third
event
this
is
on
Saturday
July
29th.
It's
in
The
Press,
Room
of
Harris
Cherokee
center
from
noon
into
two
o'clock
Mitchell.
Who
was
our
project
manager?
Most
of
you
know
him.
H
Mitchell
silver
is
going
to
speak,
not
only
about
the
plan
and
provide
an
overview
of
it,
but
really
help
folks
understand
why
we
did
it
and
why
reinvesting
in
public
space
matters,
especially
in
times
like
this,
so
the
community
reparations
commission
is
actually
having
the
retreat
in
the
main
upstairs
Banquet
Hall
at
the
same
time,
so
there'll
be
a
lot
of
people
coming
in
and
on
there
and
amazing
things
happening
that
day.
I
hope
that
you
can
join
us.
H
A
H
Oh,
that's
a
great
point,
so
it's
this
is
a
really
nice
segue
into
your
next
item,
so
it's
scheduled
for
August
14th,
which
is
your
normal
meeting
date
on
that
second
Friday.
You
will
now
be
considering
whether
or
not
to
change
your
regular
meeting
dates
to
the
fourth
Friday.
We
can
bring
it
to
you
on
the
fourth
Friday.
We
might
consider
special
meeting.
You
should
consider
what
your
meeting
dates
are
regardless
you
know,
do
not
let
this
meeting
stand
in
the
way
of
having
a
great
regular
meeting
schedule.
H
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
the
PE
that
it
will
be
going
to
ped
and
that's
something
that
will
talk
to
you
offline
about
chairs,
to
make
sure
that
the
folks
at
ped,
our
Council
people,
get
what
they
need.
First,
whether
that's
a
recommendation
from
this
group
or
if
they
would
rather
just
see
it
before
you
make
a
recommendation.
H
Appreciate
that
so
the
14th
is
that
day,
and
perhaps
we
stick
with
that
that
day
as
just
a
special
meeting
to
get
the
community
advisory
committee
in
the
full
downtown
commission
together
for
what
we
would
do
is
present
the
themes
from
the
public
comments
that
we'd
heard
so
far.
Anything
that
we'd
plan
on
tweaking
and
get
questions
from.
You
answer
them
and
then
ask
you
for
some
input.
L
A
A
C
K
C
B
H
I'm,
just
going
to
recommend
that
you
vote
to
change
your
regular
meeting
schedule
and
you
can
determine
whether.
H
H
C
B
A
A
All
right
updates
and
reports,
the
Ricardo
doing
this
Stephen
Lee
Johnson
impersonation,
absolutely.
E
See
we
we
actually
talked
about
the
the
hot
spot
on
Carter
Street,
so
we
the
tribute
Hotel
68
quarter
that
was
continued
to
the
meeting
next
week
and
we
had
a
formal
review
of
the
Tampa
hotel
just
down
the
street
from
that
on
to
sorry
22nd
22
Carter,
and
that
was
just
an
informal
review.
It
was
a
same
architect
and
I
guess
a
different.
E
L
A
E
E
But
similar
it's
a
nice
heart
adventure
with
this
nice
architecture.
A
E
A
P
Yep
I
wanted
to
start
by
introducing
Hayden
Clemens,
who
is
our
new
executive
director
of
our
actual
Downtown
Association
and
comes
to
us
from
the
downtown
Denver
partnership.
We're
really
excited
for
her
to
be
here.
She
started
on
Wednesday
and
hit
on
the
ground
running
so.
P
So
we're
very
excited
to
have
Hayden
and
I
would
encourage
all
of
you
to
introduce
yourselves
to
her
when
we're
done
with
this
meeting
and
she
will
be
a
great
resource
for
our
Asheville
Downtown
Association
and
our
city
in
general.
So
we
also
are
in
the
midst
of
the
Pritchard
Park
summer
series,
which
is
great.
That
has
not
happened
in
several
years.
We
do
have
that
funding
again
this
year,
that
happens
Tuesday
through
Friday
evenings,
and
that
goes
until
August
8th,
if
you're
more.
P
If
you're
interested
in
learning
more
about
that
you
can
Pritchard
Park
summer
series
and
it'll
tell
you
what
happens
each
evening
and.
K
P
Next
downtown
after
five
is
next
Friday,
so
come
out
and
support
that,
and
we
had
we
partnered
with,
obviously
the
city
and
air
and
the
actual
chamber,
and
we
had
about
15
people
show
up
for
a
downtown
cleanup
a
couple
weeks
ago
as
part
of
the
safety
initiative.
So
we
were
really
excited
about
that
and
we'll
look
at
what
we
can
continue
to
do
to
support
that
effort.
A
Wonderful
homeless
initiatives,
report
I.
L
K
L
L
How
are
we
going
to
balance
those
things
and
I
wouldn't
say
that
we
came
up
with
a
lot
of
answers,
but
we,
you
know
our
definitive
decisions
that
we
could
like
vote
on,
but
what
we
did
do
is
I
think,
give
some
guidance
to
the
design
team
about
what
we
the
direction.
That
I
think
that
we
would
find
success
in,
and
so
we're
going
to
look
back
to
here.
I,
don't
know:
what's
exactly
the
next
step,
Dane
are
we
gonna?
Are
we
gonna?
B
B
There
status
updates,
which
is
you
know,
potentially
something
we
can
talk
about
at
a
future
meeting,
but
Thomasville
Auditorium
is
not
accepting
any
new
bookings
for
events
during
the
next
seven
months,
due
to
an
HVAC
failure
and
there's
a
quite
significant
lead
time
to
receive
the
parts
that
they
need.
So
six
to
nine
months,
a
theater
style
setup
is
now
in
place
in
the
larger
Arena,
and
so
staff
is
working
to
make
adjustments
where
they
can
to
have
shows,
take
place
there
and
or
consider
other
adjustments,
folks
that
have
bought
tickets.
B
L
K
L
Things
I
mean
I,
actually
yeah,
you
guys
must
be
feeling
this
too.
There's
it
there.
This
is,
it
is
a
the
shock.
Waves
from
this
are
really
really
big.
There's
a
lot
of
trips
that
won't
be
made
downtown
because
of
this.
It's
it's
it's
concerning.
So,
in
all
haste
like
whatever,
can
we
3D
print
these
parts
locally.
I
L
E
B
C
And
it
we
got
into
the
numbers
a
good
bit.
We
got
into
the
losses,
I
think
the
actual
Symphony
Daniel
was
there
for
the
meeting.
He
said
his
impact
alone
of
removing
the
symphony
was
85
000.
tickets
or
visitors
in
those
seats
just
his
one,
but
they're
still
continuing
with
their
Seasons
elsewhere.
I'm
just
saying
the
void
that
happens
with
this
repair
is
pretty
significant.
I
C
It
also
needs
much
more
I
mean
it's
not
just
HVAC,
there's
loading
dock
issues
and
stuff
and
you
were
on
Council-
were
expecting
a
big
like
facilities,
wide
study,
study
and
assessment
on
how
all
of
our
properties
are
aging
and
the
impacts
of
deferred
maintenance.
So
some
of
that
stuff's
coming
up
soon,
wow.
L
C
B
Okay
on
the
public
restroom,
there
is
a
public
input
meeting
scheduled
for
August
2nd.
So
that's
coming
up
pretty
quick,
I'm
sure
we'll
have
more
information
to
share
by
early
next
week,
and
at
that
point
it's
the
next
step
of
design.
So
the
public
Space
Management
committee
gave
some
really
good.
Insight
talked
about
things
like
seating
and
trees
and
programming.
Like
things
opportunities
like
push
carts,
the
design
team
will
present
a
couple
different
options
for
feedback
at
that
time
and
I
think
it'll
be
a
drop-in
format.
B
I
hope
it'll
be
at
the
collider,
so
it'll
be
real
close
to
the
space
College
patent
bike
Lanes.
So,
if
you
haven't
seen,
we
have
a
report
with
all
of
the
input
received
during
the
public
input
process.
Transportation
staff
is
working
on
scheduling
a
meeting
with
businesses
around
Pritchard
Park
to
go
over
some
of
the
updates
they've
made
to
the
plan
and
see
if
those
are
workable.
B
Outdoor
dining
updates
we're
planning
to
come
to
you
all
next
month
and
then
on
to
City
Council
in
September,
missing
middle
housing
study
I
wanted
to
a
little
bit
less
applicable
applicable
to
downtown,
but
I.
Think
it's
a
project
of
interest
for
you
all
and
wanted
to
just
highlight
that.
There's
a
survey
available
now
we're
specifically
looking
for
feedback
from
renters
in
our
community.
So
please
consider
taking
the
survey
and
or
helping
get
the
word
out
about
it.
B
The
budget
was
adopted,
I've
provided
some
links
to
more
information
and
I.
Think
that's
what
I've
got
but
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
L
You
don't
have
much
to
do
if
you've
been
in
touch
with
just
economics
for
renter
Outreach,
for
that
Forum
great.
B
B
Make
sure
that
they've
connected
also
the
which
is
the
group
called
that
they're
both
very
connected.
L
E
L
A
That
was
a
good
meeting
today,
folks,
thank
you
so
upcoming,
so
outdoor
dining
in
August,
potentially
figure
out.
C
We
did
a
survey
thing,
so
it
would
be
helpful
to
do
it
again.
It
was
which
was
I,
guess
May,
but.
G
Okay,
so
great
sorry,
I
think
there
are
questions
that
you
want
to
see.
Ask.
C
B
Wanted
to
give
you
the
opportunity
we
have
this
on
the
agenda
for.
I
E
C
Well,
we
did
have
some
arpa
funds
for
biohazard
and
cleaning
stuff,
but
I
think
those
will
expire
at
some
point
and
then
I
would
say
that
each
of
those
departments
is
absorbing
the
cost.
At
this
point,
like
you
know
whether
or
not
we're
using
more
officers
in
overtime
to
fill
shifts
is
kind
of
difference,
but
we
have
a
budgeted
month
for
this.
So
it's.
K
A
C
You
know-
and
we
thought
we
think
you
know
it's
really
hard
to
follow
data,
sometimes
in
the
media,
because
there's
a
lot
of
numbers
thrown
around
but
I
believe
the
overall
impact
to
APD
wasn't
that
we
gave
an
additional
one
percent
in
salary
than
the
rest
of
the
city,
but
in
terms
of
benefits
and
other
programs
I
think
it
was
a
14
increase
in
overall
cost
of
Personnel
in
the
police
department.
So
it
was
a
pretty
significant
jump.
I!
Don't
know
that
at
the
time
we
felt
like
we
could
really
afford
more.
C
So
now
you
know
the
next
budget
cycle
will
start
in
October
November
for
the
following
year.
So
that's
when
we
probably
start
picking
that
back
up
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
would
be
helpful
to
learn
more
about
as
it
proceeds
is
the
the
bonus
and
retention
plan
around.
If
you
don't
know,
it
included
lateral,
hires
and
bonuses
like
if
you
were
an
officer,
but
you
knew
one
in
Charlotte,
you
called
that
officer
and
Charlotte
said
hey.
C
C
I'm
curious
to
see
how
that
works
out
over
time.
I
think
I'm,
not
sure
I
was
actually
going
to
ask
them.
I.
Think
I
saw
so
we
had
the
four
new
swear-ends
five
new
swear
ins.
Maybe
we
got
four
queued
up,
but
I
think
we
had
what
I
saw
was
a
welcoming
of
three
different
officers
that
may
have
been
lateral.
Hires
that
didn't
have
to
go
through.
Blet
came
to
us
as
trained
officers
from
other
communities,
so
they
just
needed
like
immersion
into
our.
C
K
C
Increase
that
so
that
was
behind
the
retention
program
and
bonus
program,
and
maybe
that
will
help
it
takes
a
little
time
because
those
things
don't
happen
in
the
first
six
months
right,
but
that
should
be
helping
soon,
and
you
know
I'm
hopeful
to
see
the
downtown
unit
kind
of
reestablishing,
but
I
really
am
and
have
been
asking
for
a
while.
What
kind
of
Staffing
level
it
will
take
to
have
a
dedicated
officer,
unit
downtown
again
and
I-
think
that's
the
big
unknown
right
now
that
we
should
figure
out
yeah.
C
The
other
thing
that
we
budgeted
for
was,
of
course,
updating.
The
design
guidelines
happened
in
made
it
through,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
struck
me
on
the
presentation
from
staff
was
I,
think
there
were
41
or
something
lighting,
ideas
caught
or
41
were
fixed
of
the
54s
I
mean
so
there's
13
or
14
out
there
that
couldn't
be
remedied,
I'm
curious
if
their
private
property
or
streets
that
weren't
well
lit
or
something.
If
that's
something
that
we
can
inform
through
design.
So
I
would
say
some
of
them
are
just
on
Badoo.
C
State
Properties
being
inundated
with
campers
and
stuff,
maybe
they're
in
a
position
to
want
to
help
with
some
lighting
or
I.
Don't
know
we
have
a
new.
We
used
to
reach
out
to
Jason
walls,
but
he
has
a
new
replacement,
he's
gone,
bigger
or
something
so
there's
a
new
person
that
we're
supposed
to
coordinate
with.
Maybe
we
can
get
a
hold
of
them
or
have
them
come?
Maybe
they'd
come
we
can
invite
people,
it
works.
C
C
C
I
think
it
comes
in
August,
it
may
get
delayed
again.
So
I
did
an
interview
about
this
recently
and
I.
Think
what
we
summarized
was
a
lot
of
the
input
opportunities
around
that
particular
plan
were
during
the
pandemic
just
by
default,
because
that
was
the
schedule
it
was
on.
So
then,
when
it,
you
know,
as
a
pandemic
has
kind
of
wrapped
up
and
people
are
getting
back
to
their
lives
and
being
involved.
We
realized
there
were
some
key
areas
in
the
South
slope
and
neighborhoods
around
it.
That
didn't
feel
really
informed.
C
So
the
last
few
months
have
been
like:
okay,
let's
just
regroup,
go
back
to
them,
see
if
there's
anything
that
we
missed
and
make
sure
their
life
is
heard
and
that's
what's
been
happening.
I
think
Sasha
vertinski,
who
had
been
administrating
that
as
a
project
manager
for
years,
is
now
our
affordable
housing
specialist.
So
she's
not
doing
that,
but
she
might
rally
just
to
get
it
across
the
finish
line.
But
my
understanding
is
coming
soon.
G
M
H
First,
staff:
you
know
we
do
have
a
project
Charter
and
a
team
put
together,
we're
starting
to
do
our
own
history
and
Analysis
Gathering
and
we'll
be
working
with
the
team
in
about
two
to
three
months.
H
We,
our
first
step,
is
to
put
together
that
Community
advisory
committee
we've
already
had
some
conversations
about
what
that
needs
to
look
like,
and
this
is
the
umbrella
board,
so
we're
looking
forward
to
it
when
you
work
with
an
ncdot
Grant
you're,
always
yeah
the
Kickstart,
the
kick
the
kickoff
of
the
the
meeting
is
always
tied
to
when
they
are
able
to
process
certain
Grant
materials.
So
we're
working
on
that
and
don't
anticipate
any
delays.
B
C
Well,
as
we
start
talking
about
Hera's
Thomas
wolf,
you
know
that
overlaps
because
the
substation
is
near
there
and
then
there's
the
crumbling
loading.
What.