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A
2022,
affordable
housing,
advisory
committee
meeting,
all
committee
members
are
and
staff
are
participating.
Virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings.
A
bit
differently.
We're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
and
comment
live
by
phone.
Please
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And
use
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7663
to
listen
in
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
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if
you're,
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optionstar6
after
you're
done
speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello.
B
B
A
All
and
I'm
very
bialik,
and
we
also
have
councilwoman
mosley
and
staff.
I
saw.
A
So
today,
at
first
first
item
we'll
just
go
through
and
adopt
our
minutes
as
everyone
we
have.
You
know
this
new
first
time
doing
our
new
meetings
method
with
the
action
minutes.
Has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
them.
A
Can
I
get
used
to
this
new
way
of
doing
it,
but
I
mean
I
get
it.
It's
just
makes
it
really
hard
it's.
It
was
really
nice
for
for
your
interview
reading
through
our
full
minutes
from
previous
years.
I
found
that's
what
that's
where
they
were
really
really
helpful
when
I'm
having
to
like
summarize
and
go
through
what
we
did
for
the
year
reading
through
those
full
minutes
were
really
helpful.
I
can
imagine
preparing
reports
for
the
year.
A
End
is
gonna,
be
a
little
more
complicated
without
without
those,
but
I
get
for
the
efficiency
so
I'll
have
a
roll
call
vote
for
adopting
these
minutes
because
motion
to
accept
these.
D
A
I
A
You
know
so
there's
definitely
there's
the
discussion
about
restructuring
boards
and
commissions
that's
happening.
You
know
I've
attended
one
meeting
on
margie's
attended
a
meeting
on
and
there's
some
coming
up
this
week,
so
link
to
our
minutes
linked
to
our
agenda
this
week.
There's
a
press
release
on
it
and
then
a
youtube
video
kind
of
about.
What's
what's
happening.
Maybe
let's
go
ahead
and
is
anyone
everyone
had
a
chance
to
kind
of
look
through
the
press
release?
A
C
J
J
J
We
are
going
to
try
another
method
of
presenting
this
sorry
that
you
guys
can
hear
that.
I
have
everything
full
max
over
here
for
volume
y,
so
give
us
just
one
second,
okay,.
A
There's
a
couple
of
let's
talk
in
the
meantime:
there's
a
meetings
this
week
mark
martin,
you
know
the
schedule
and
and
have
they
put
have
you
all
received
the
emails
for
the
invites
to
these
okay.
D
Yeah
there's
one
tonight
from
five
to
seven
and
then
there's
another
one
on
monday
from
12
30
to
2
30
during
the
day
and
then
there's
another
one
on
the
ninth
from
five
to
seven.
D
A
The
the
the
gist
of
what
I
understand
so
far
is
that
you
know
they're.
Looking
at
you
know
is
you
know,
looking
at
here,
we
go.
K
L
Challenges
under
the
current
structure
have
been
identified
by
board
members,
city
staff
and
city
council,
as
our
advisory
board
structure
has
evolved
over
the
years.
The
following
challenges
have
been
identified:
unclear
committee
roles
and
responsibilities,
disconnect
of
priorities
and
work
between
advisory
committees,
unclear
communication
flow
to
city,
council
management
limitations
like
completing
budgets
and
staff
capacity.
A
All
right
thanks
thanks
for
the
technical
help
of
all
that
so
yeah
I
mean
the.
I
mean
a
lot
of
there'll,
be
a
lot
of
conversation
about
this.
Coming
up
the
gist
of
what
I've
seen
is
kind
of
you
know
we
discussed
a
little
bit
of
it.
Last
meeting
is
the
proposal.
I've
seen
is
kind
of
merging
it
down
from
20
to
about
four
and
then
doing
a
lot
more
task
forces
under
those
overarching
four.
Rather
than
have
the
20,
you
know,
that's
that's
the
gist
of
it
and
yeah.
A
There's
no
question:
we
can
all
attest
to
the
you
know:
frustration
we've
all
had
you
know
at
least
over
the
past
few
years.
You
know
and
a
you
know
I'll
say
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
how
you
know
how
the
conversation
plays
out
and
how
public
input
is
on
this.
Obviously
we'll
you
know
we'll
we'll
all
have
some
feelings
about
this,
and
you
know
I,
as
you
know,
share
as
a
committee
lead.
You
know,
there's
no
question
the
past
two
years
have
been,
you
know
impossible.
A
You
know
with
us
all.
Just
being
brady
bunch
faces
that
there's!
No,
you
know
human
interaction
to
it
I
mean
there's
human
interaction,
but
not
the
you
know
the
physical
interaction
that
goes
with
it
and
you
know
the
efficiency
of
that
and
running.
You
know
running
a
meeting
is,
is
it's
really
difficult?
You
know
it's
really
difficult
and
then
having
the
networking
that
comes
in
place.
You
know
from
when
I
over
the
years
and
have
been
on
this
committee.
A
I
think
seven
years-
and
you
know
the
success
was
always
from
all
the
networking
that
happens
before
and
after
and
during
the
meetings
and
you
know
and
then
the
conversations
that
can
happen.
It's
really
hard
to
have
like
meaningful,
roundtable
discussions
when
we're
all
on
the
zoom
and
my
focus
is
you
know
the
committee
folk
leader
focuses
really
just
on
you
know
staring
at
a
screen
and
having
to
adjust
just
the
bits
of
the
running
this
meeting
that
you
know,
there's
no
a
b
team
behind
me
doing
this.
A
So
you
know
I
certainly
appreciate
the
frustration
everyone
has
had
with
this,
as
we
all
have
had
that
and
the
city
as
well.
But
I
should
you
know
my
sure,
hopes
on
this,
and
I've
shared
this
at
the
meetings
that
I've
been
is
feedback
about
these
changes
that
I
sure
wouldn't
hope
that
conversation
waits
to
we're
allowed
to
be
in
person
again,
because
this
is
you
know
the
the
boards
and
commissions
add
such
a
public
voice
to
things,
and
you
know
during
covet.
A
But
that's
you
know,
we'll
have
a
lot
more
yeah.
Sorry,
I'm
having
technical
stuff.
I
guess
can
you
you
can
hear
me,
but
can't
see
me.
Is
there
it
okay,
I'll,
probably
I'll?
If
you
want
to
chat
margie
for
a
minute
I'll
log
off
and
see
if
I
can
log
back
in
and
get
get
video
back.
D
Yeah
for
there's
a
pilot
proposal
restructure,
that's
online
that
I
copied
off.
That
really
gives
a
very
clear
definition
of
what
the
city
management
wants
and
what
they're
trying
to
to
do
and
the
advisory
boards
would
be
equitable
community,
well-planned,
community
housing,
advisory
and
healthy
environment
and
livable
community.
D
G
So
I
have
a
question
to
that
and
I
don't
know
well
actually
I
have
two
questions.
One
do
we
have
a
do?
We
know
where
the
the
kind
of
the
initiative
for
this
is
is
coming
from.
Obviously,
the
the
little
video
clip
that
we
looked
at
earlier
talked
about.
You
know
dissatisfaction
from
multiple
different
constituencies,
staff,
elected
officials
and
and
commission
members,
but
do
we
know
where
this
is
kind
of
originating
from?
G
And
then
my
other
question
and
when
I
looked
at
the
same
slide
deck
that
that
margie's,
referring
to
with
those
four
four
topics,
I
mean
obviously
there's
one
that
is
housing
specific
but
housing.
You
know,
I
don't
know
how
you
talk
about.
G
You
know,
equity,
you
know,
well-planned
communities,
healthy
environments
without
also
talking
about
housing,
so
I
I
don't
I
mean
I
I
I
understand
the
the
interest
in
having
the
committee
structure
align
with
the
with
the
livability
or
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
comprehensive
plan
is
sort
of
has
these
sort
of
cross-cutting
goals.
That
are,
you
know,
intentionally
multi-disciplinary
or
kind
of
reflect,
multiple
perspectives.
G
But
then
I
don't
know
how
you
put
a
sort
of
siloed
technical
committee
into
one
of
those
areas
when
they
re
when
it
really
touches
all
of
those
areas.
It
almost
feels
like
you
need
a
housing
piece
in
each
one
of
those
four
in
each
one
of
those
four
comprehensive
plan.
G
You
know
focus
areas
because
I
I
I
just
I
don't
see
how
you
move
the
needle
on
any
one
of
those
things
without
thinking
about
housing.
So
anyway,
just
just
my
initial
thoughts
in
in
looking
at
this-
and
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
any
more
answers
or
if
that's
something
that
maybe
council
member
mosley
wants
to
speak
to
or
staff
can
speak
to.
N
So
I'm
happy
to
jump
in
now,
because
I
agree
with
everything
you
say.
I
also
feel
that
same
way
about
equity,
so,
first
of
all
make
sure
you
attend
one
of
these
sessions
on
the
third,
the
seventh,
the
ninth
and
voice.
Just
that
I
will
say
I
have
not
been
in
the
weeds
on
this.
N
I
know
about
it,
but
again
this
is
one
of
those
things
where,
if
I
I
believe
that
staff
and
some
committee
leads
were
the
initial
push
behind
this
before
I
joined
council,
I
was
on
a
couple
of
other
committees
and
the
sentiment
that
barry
expressed
was
also
being
expressed
on
different
committees
that
I
was
on.
I
think
the
knee
jerk
reaction
is
any
time
there's
even
consideration
of
change.
N
We
go
what
what
does
this
mean
the
way
it
has
been
explained
to
me,
and
I
never
say
which
way,
I'm
leaning,
because
something
can
be
presented
to
us
one
way
and
then
there'll
be
community
input,
and
then
things
can
change,
but
I
will
say
I
do
like
that.
We're
even
recognizing
that
something
needs
to
change.
I
don't
know
if
it
means,
for
I
don't
mean
if
it
means
if
it
go,
I
don't
know
what
it
means
we
want
to
hear
from
everybody.
N
I
think
the
whole
point
of
the
comprehensive
pan,
just
the
word
comprehensive
by
definition,
we're
saying
all
four
of
these
work
together,
so
andy's
thought
is
actually
in
keeping
with
the
point
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
I
do
believe
that,
when
housing
as
is
given
as
one,
I
think,
that's
a
way
of
saying
that
housing
is
elevated
because
rightly
understood
housing
could
be
under
each
one.
So
housing
to
me
says
we're
going
to
pay
a
particular
interest
in
housing.
N
It
would
be
perhaps
the
same
people
who
are
on
this
committee
breaking
down
into
working
groups
and
then,
as
barry,
was
mentioning,
I
think
it
would
offer
more
opportunity
for
networking
and
talking
and
even
a
spontaneity
that
might
not
exist
with
this
current
form.
You
know
because,
if
you're
very
regimented,
everything
has
to
take
place
at
this
time
on
this
day,
you
know
there
are
people
in
the
community
who
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
make
it
because
of
work
obligation
or
because
of
child
care.
N
G
N
N
That
is
true
because
she
was
on
and
commissions
and
I
believe
they
started
looking
at
this
before
I
joined.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
thought
has
gone
into
it.
A
Yeah
too
much
to
my
point
of
not
having
technical
backup,
but
yes
it
will.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
an
ongoing.
I
I
don't
know
the
timeline
of
it
and
I
guess
you
know
it's
more
will
come
out
on
that,
but
we'll
we
shall
stay
yeah,
pretty
abrusted
with
what's
going
on,
did
margie
drop
off
also.
B
A
But
yeah
you
know,
I
think,
it'll
be
an
interesting
process.
I'm
not
you
know
not
sure
what
timeline
is.
I
guess
we'll
hear
a
lot
more
about
that,
but
I'd
encourage
y'all
to
attend,
attend
the
meetings
as
as
you
can
any
other
anyone
else
have
anything
they
want
to
say
about
it
or
should
we
move
on.
A
Move
on
so
the
list
of
available
homes,
I.
I
Apologize,
I
do
think
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
figure
out
is
what
the
timeline
for
conversion
to
these
committees
might
be,
so
that
we
can
as
we're
working
through
our
groups
like
our
build
group
and
coming
up
with
recommendations
that
we
know
the
good
work
that
we've
done.
All
this
stuff
doesn't
end
up
on
the
in
some
weird
transition
phase.
I
So
if
we,
if
we
need
to
start
working
to
formalizing
recommendations
and
stuff
more,
we
have
to
kind
of
like
shift
from
brainstorming
to
codification
of
what
we've
learned
so
far.
So
I'm
just
that's
my
concern
is
that
you
know
this
restructuring.
If
it's
a
year
off,
it's
not
a
big
deal.
If
it's
three
months
off
that
that's
a
larger
impact.
A
Yeah,
I'm
hoping
we'll
get
some
timeline
info
on
it.
I
haven't
really.
I
haven't
heard
any
set
dates
on
it.
You
know
our
experience.
Certainly
is
the
city
doesn't
move
very
fast
on
things
so
we'll
see
you
know
we'll
see
I
haven't
really
heard,
but
I'm
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
that's.
Definitely
one
of
the
questions
that's
been
asked,
but
the
answers
have
been
a
little
vague
that
I've
heard
so
far
so
we'll
see.
But
you
know
that's
that'd
be
a
good
one.
A
So,
on
the
on
the
reports,
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
discussed
last
time
is
that
there's
zero.
You
know
the
house
is
less
than
275.
There's
zero,
there's
again
zero.
So
just
for
comparison's
sake,
I
mean
I,
I
upped
the
I
upped
it
by
fifty
thousand
dollars.
There
still
was
almost
nothing,
so
I
have
to
update
by
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
375,
and
you
know
I
think
you
saw
that
on
the
reports.
There
was
our
first
four
or
five
homes
in
the
city
of
asheville,
less
than
375..
A
I
mean
I
I
feel,
like
you
know
it's
like
watching
something
slide
away
from
us,
and
you
know
it's
a
mix
of
you
know
it's
it's
just
scary
and
sad
because,
as
we
know
with
the
you
know,
the
ami
charts
of
people's
income
that
it
just
doesn't
the
numbers
just
don't
match
up,
and
you
know
I
I
hope
you
know
some
of
the
creative
things
we
have
come
up
with
and
discussed,
and
some
of
the
barriers
we've
identified
and
and
build
and
some
of
the
different
you
know,
ideas
that
are
coming
out
of
connect.
A
How
you
know
we
can
help
foster
and
you
know,
offer
up
some
creative
solutions
because
it's
like
I
said
it's
it's
to
the
point
that
we
need
to
get
uncomfortable
with
some
of
these
discussions
for
how
we're
going
to
make
this
happen,
because
housing
is
out
of
the
reach
of
most
people.
Now
that
live
here,
and
that's
really
sad.
A
So
you
know
so
that's
what
I
went
ahead
and
upped
those
reports
just
so
we
can
see
where
the
numbers
hit
at
what
number
just
so
we
know
where
what
our
gap
is
and
it's
you
know
it's
tremendous.
How
do
you
you
know?
I
just
it's
just
out
of
sight
question
for
for
andy
and
I
know
like
mountain
housing.
Does
this
amount
housing
hasn't
done
much
in
the
city,
but
how
can,
when
you
do
things
andy?
How
do?
How
does
it
work?
A
G
Well,
it
just
means
that
it
just
means
a
deeper
subsidy
to
the
buyer
to
make
that
happen
right.
So
we
we
structure,
obviously
the
the
we
sell,
the
home
at
its
appraised
value,
but
then
that
that
gets
structured
into
two
different
loans.
One
is
a
is
a
repayable
loan
based
on
you
know
what
would
be
30
of
the
borrower's
income
right
and
the
the
difference
all
goes
into
various
layers
of
subordinate
financing.
That
is
either
deferred
payment
due
on
sale
or
you
know
structured
in
some
other
way.
G
It's
basically
what
we
talked
about.
When
we
looked
at
the
down
payment
assistance
program
right,
there
would
be
an
additional
lien
in
some
amount
that
would
make
the
that
would
make
the
home
affordable.
So
you
know
there
are
you
know
there
are
multiple
layers
of
you,
know:
public
sector,
down
payment
assistance
and
then
the
the
balance
is
private
sector,
fundraising
that
that
gets
kind
of
built
into
the
project
in
a
in
a
deferred
payment
loan
so
and
that
you
know,
as
that
number
gets
bigger.
G
Obviously
the
amount
of
the
amount
of
resources
we
have
to
do.
The
next
project
get,
you
know,
gets
smaller
and
and
reduces
our
our
volume
of
production,
so
it
it.
It
really
becomes
cyclical,
like
that.
You
know
when
we
see
those
we
see
that
the
price
spike
the
other
thing
that
we're
seeing
here-
and
we
talked
about
this
several
months
ago,
when
we
were
looking
at
this
this
list,
that.
G
The
the
home
sales
price
limit,
set
by
set
by
hud
for
the
you
know,
as
kind
of
the
affordable
limit
under
the
the
home
investment
partnership
program,
is
now
way
below
what
appraised
values
are
coming
back
at,
which
means
those
funds
can't
be
used
on
on
homes
that
are
that
are
built
in
our
region,
because
because
our
local
appreciation
is
rising
so
much
faster
than
than
hud
makes
its
annual
calculation
that
that
we
run
into
we
run
into
problems
and
again,
that's
more
the
stuff
that
the
national
regional
housing
consortium
that
handles
administers
those
home
funds
deals
with.
G
But
it's
it's
a
really
significant
problem,
because
a
lot
of
the
state
funds
that
are
available
for
through
the
north
carolina
housing,
finance
agency
for
affordable
home
purchase
are
are
restricted
by
that
home
value
cap
as
well.
So
this,
what
we've
seen
in
the
last
year
with
home
prices
locally
is,
is
really
unprecedented
and
it's
it's
finding
its
way
to
create
lots
of
barriers
in
lots
of
places
other
than
just
where
it
shows
up
in
the
in
the
market.
Price
of
things.
A
A
A
G
This
is
this
is
separate
from
their
ami
calculation
yeah,
but
yeah
they
they
they
will
reset
those
numbers
annually,
and
I
know
the
state
is
looking
at
several
urban
regions
in
north
carolina
that
that
are
seeing
the
same
thing
that
we're
seeing
you
know
appraised
values
increasing
faster
than
than
what
hud's
calculation
is
likely
going
to
return
as
a
as
a
maximum
qualified
sales
price,
even
in
next
year's
calculation,
so
they're
looking
to
see
if
we,
if
we
can
do
something
similar
to
what
we
did
you
all
remember
a
couple
years
ago,
we,
the
housing
authority,
went
to
hud
and
got
a
kind
of
an
exemption
to
from
the
formula
calculation
for
fair
market
rent
to
do
a
local
rent
study
and
that
let
them
increase
the
the
rental
rates
they're.
G
Looking
at
doing
something
similar
to
that
for
a
few
places
around
north
carolina.
So
again,
that
would
have
to
be
something
that
our
local,
the
the
regional
housing
consortium
that
administers
home
funds,
would
take
on
the
way.
I
understand
it,
but
that's
yeah.
That's
that's
another
challenge.
A
Yeah,
so
it's
just
something
yeah,
just
something
I
guess
we
should
be
aware
of
like
noticing,
as
the
prices
come
up,
it
means
we're
well
aware
of
that,
but
how
this
is
creating
yeah.
That's
a
significant
issue
that,
if,
if
regardless
of
the
gap
financing
that
helps
with
these
that,
if
it
exceeds
certain
limits,
it
can't
even
use
some
of
the
financing
that
is
most
normal
to
use.
You
know
to
for
those
for
those
products,
scott.
C
And
he
had
a
quick
follow-up
question
on
that.
I'm
I
I
know
what
the
housing
consortium
is,
but
I'm
not
familiar
intimately
familiar
with
the
mechanics
of
it,
but
is,
is
part
of
the
issue
also
that
it's
a
regional
housing
consortium,
not
just
city
of
asheville
or
buncombe
county,
but
outlying
counties,
so
the
the
spike
that
is
asheville
is
being
flattened
amidst
those
other
jurisdictions.
Is
that
is
that
a
fair
question
to
ask
at
least
in
terms
of
math
or
averages
or
whatever
else
they're
doing.
G
It's
a
fair
question
and
I
don't
know
maybe
there's
somebody
on
the
call:
a
staff,
member
who's,
who's
staffing,
the
consortium,
because
I
know
the
city
of
asheville
administers
funds
on
behalf
of
the
consortium
but
and
they
may
know
this
answer
better.
I
don't
I
mean
the
the
spike
that
we're
seeing
here
we're
seeing
all
across
the
region.
That's
that's!
It
has
a
membership
in
the
consortium.
So
I
it's
just
more
of
kind
of
a
procedural
set
of
steps
that
you
know
they
would
have
to
have
to
go
through.
G
I
don't
I
mean
I
think
they're
we're
dealing
with
this
all
across
the
from
remembering
right.
The
consortium
is
madison
buncombe
henderson
in
transylvania,
and
so
we're
seeing
the
same
kind
of
you
know.
O
That's
correct
the
jonathan
jones
interim
community
development
manager.
Yes,
the
home
consortium
represents
buncombe,
madison,
transylvania
and
henderson
county,
and
I
can
also
share
a
link
in
the
chat
that
has
the
latest
home
sales
price
calculations
that
went.
B
C
And
can
you
make
that
publicly
accessible?
I
just
clicked.
It
said:
users
need
access
or
an
access
code.
O
A
Okay,
thanks
yeah,
so
I
mean
I
guess
yeah.
This
is
in
addition
to
the
housing,
the
price
spike.
That's
a
really
good
point.
You
know
coming
up
that
about
the
financing
issues
that
no
matter
what
the
assistance
is,
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
run
into
this
gap.
So
if
you
wanna
just
you
know,
keep
this
in
mind.
It's
later
on
the
agenda,
we
have
a
discussion.
I
was
gonna,
do
a
roundtable
kind
of
about
you
know.
A
As
we
talk
about
the
you
know,
discussion
came
up
last
meeting
about
our
committee,
focus
on
production
and
process
and
and
in
person
policies,
and
you
know
how
you
know
the
basically,
the
creative,
creative
need
for
additional
production
will
come
into
play
and
you
know
with
so
just
keep
that
in
mind
how
we're
going
to
create
houses
less
than
less
than
375
000
in
town.
I'm
I'm
waiting
for
all
of
our
solutions
to
come
up
later.
A
In
the
meeting
other
reports
seen
as
the
last
meeting,
we
decided
and
we
discussed
that
we'd
like
to
have
a
rental
report,
the
issue
you
know
david
and
I
offline
have
just
you
know:
we've
emailed
a
little
bit
back
and
forth,
trying
to
come
up
with
what
what
that
report
could
look
like
and
the
understanding
you
know.
You
know,
because
it's
a
significant
issue
as
we
know
these
rent
spikes.
You
know,
I
think,
the
what
I'm
hearing
now
two
bedroom
units
are
probably
in
the
17
1800
range
and
the
there's.
A
H
O
H
Wanted
to
follow
up
with
anthony
over
there
and
see
you
probably
know
some
people
over
there
too.
I
I
think
there
is
some
kind
of
report
that
that
some
of
the
realtor
companies
have
access
to.
I
mean
we
can
get
it,
it's
pretty
lagging.
We
can
get
some
data,
but
it's
it's
really
hard
to
get
specific
to
the
city
of
asheville
real
time
and
when
it's
jumping
so
fast,
you
know
I'd
be
a
I.
H
I
would
love
to
have
this
data
and
I
think
it
would
be
really
useful
to
include
in
our
monthly
reports
so
I'm
open.
I
mean
I'm
open
to
trying
to
work
with
a
couple
realtors
to
try
to
create
a
report
or
we
can
use
some
pisgah
data.
But,
honestly,
you
know
we
don't
really
have
robust
data
either.
It's
who
contacts
us
and
we
you
know
we
have
more
data
on
evictions
and
things
like
that
than
we
actually
do
with
the
rental
prices.
So.
A
Yeah
it's
so
I
reached
out
to
mike
figora
at
mosaics
and
he
said
they
don't
they
don't
prepare
rental
report
so
like,
but
it's
you
know
it's.
I
guess
it's
one
of
the
it's
it's
a.
You
know
point
in
hand
that
there
isn't
any
like
this.
Is
you
know
this
seems
like
a
big
issue
that
we
also
don't
have
any
local
group
creating
like
a
any
tracking
the
rentals
other
than
some.
I
think
the
most
recent
one
so
is
the
national
like
apartment
list.com,
which
does
it
annually.
A
But
you
know
this
is
it's
an
it's
an
issue
and
I
wonder
you
know.
I
wonder
this
is
something
we're
going
to
have
to
figure.
I
think
it's
as
we.
As
a
committee
said,
this
is
an
important
piece
of
data.
We
would
like
to
know,
especially
as
we
see
this
sliding
out
of
out
of
reach
of
so
many
people
that
how
we
could
track
that,
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
it's
a
really.
A
D
A
D
I'll
reach
out
to
the
chamber
to
see
if
they
are
still
doing
that
and
because
they
were
getting
it
from
some
place
like
costar,
which
is
very,
very
expensive,
I'll,
also
check,
because
I'm
a
member
of
sarah,
which
is
the
commercial
investors
real
estate,
guys
and
I'll,
find
out
if
someone
from
beverly
hanks
or
someone
like
that
has
because
they
all
use
co-star
and
if
they
can
help
us
in
getting
this
information.
A
Okay,
so
actually
brings
to
my
just
one
thing
about
rentals,
so
is
there
you
know
later
later
again
on
the
agenda?
There
was
the
had
to
point
the
fellow
from
lost
love.
Star
was
been
talking
about
doing
that
developers
a
meeting
for
a
while
and
one
of
the
things
he
was
trying
to
tie
in
with.
I
guess
their
supporter
of
the
street
sheet
that
was
prepared
annually
do
is
anyone
on
staff
nikki
do
we
know
is
that
is?
P
Well
and
I've
just
reached
out
to
matt
allen
to
really
talk
about
that,
because
he's
been
the
person
at
lostara
that
I've
been
coordinating
with
so
really
I
followed
up
with
him
gonna
see
if
we
can
get
together
so
hopefully
I'm
thinking,
perhaps
the
springtime
would
be
a
good
time
to
to
focus
in
on
that.
A
Okay,
I'm
just
do
we
is
there
an
intern
lined
up
for,
like
I
know
in
the
past,
like
you've,
had
interns
to
to
help
lean
on
for
that
assistance.
I'm
just
thinking
if
there's
any,
if
that,
when
the
update
happens,
if
I
don't
recall,
if
associate,
has
like
rent
prices
on
it,
but
I
wonder
if
that
would
be
something
to
layer
on
to
it,
since
we
don't
really
know
how
that's
collected.
P
Well,
I
think
a
lot
of
right
now
I
mean
I,
I
certainly
share
out
the
existing
housing
guide.
A
lot
I
mean
whenever
we
get
inquiries
about
affordable
housing.
The
the
major
sources
that
I
point
people
to
is,
of
course
201.
P
So
2-1-1
with
united
way,
is
a
really
good
connection
point
to
just
leveraging
that
resource
to
provide
people
with
information
about
affordable
housing
opportunities,
as
well
as
the
housing
authority.
We
certainly
direct
people
there
and
then
the
the
street
sheet.
P
Of
course,
the
street
sheets
really
organized
to
just
list
out
all
of
the
affordable
opportunities
within
our
community,
but
but
you
really
do
have
to
do
the
work
of
calling
the
landlord
seeing
that
they
have
vacancy
and
seeing
if
units
are
available,
so
there's
a
limitation
there
that
it
does
require
some
work
to
really
to
call
each
one
and,
of
course,
with
unit
prices.
You
know
that's
very
much
based
on
income,
so
I
think
people
who
are
looking
for
those
affordable
units
should
be
able
to
have
that
price.
P
That's
based
off
of
the
appendix
one
there,
the
hud
price,
but
otherwise
yeah,
I'm
just
thinking
a
little
bit
about
about
those
questions
around
pricing.
I
know
we're
due
for
another
bow
and
bowen
update
for
that
market
information,
and
so
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
and
see
how
that
really
corresponds
to
discussion
around
rental
pricing.
So
I
know
that
that's
coming
up
too,
that
we
can.
We
can
focus
on
as
another
data
point.
Q
G
One
other
thing
to
think
about
as
we're
thinking
about
rental
data
that
most
of
the
sources,
particularly
the
formal
sources.
Unless
it's
you
know
us
picking
up
the
phone
and
calling
listings
don't
capture
a
lot
of
the
the
small
unit.
You
know
I
have
a
duplex
unit
that
I
rent
or
single
families
used
as
rentals
or
you
know,
mobile
home
park.
Rentals
most
of
the
data
sets
that
we
could
potentially
get
our
hands
on
through,
like
margie
was
saying
through
the
chamber
or
through
you
know
the
realtors
association.
G
They
really
don't
catch
that
piece
of
the
market
very
well
and
again,
that's
where
most
of
the
non-uh
you
know
the
non-subsidized,
the
naturally
occurring,
affordable,
housing,
affordable
rental,
that
we
have
falls
into
that
basket,
and
so
it's
it's
just
one
other
limitation
on
the
data.
That's
out
there
around
rental
properties,.
J
A
H
I
have
reached
out
to
rit
to
see
what
kind
of
reports
we
can
run.
I
mean
my
concern:
is
that
we're
going
to
present
a
different
picture
because
even
to
get
into
our
system
right,
you've
got
to
be.
You
know
at
50
percent,
you
know
or
below
ami
and
we're
talking
about
some
some
people
and
most
of
our
people
are
unsubsidized
housing
or
a
lot
of
our
clients
are
so,
but
we
can
I
mean
we,
we
always
get
the
rent
price.
H
You
know
and
we
have
seen
we've
run
basic
reports
to
see
it
go
up,
but
maybe
that
can
be
part
of
whatever
we
do
have.
If,
like
I
agree
with
andy,
a
lot
of
the
the
naturally
occurring,
affordable
housing
isn't
gonna
run.
Is
it
gonna
be
in
the
anything
we
get
from
any
of
the
realtor
companies
or
maybe
the
chamber
of
commerce?
But
maybe
this
our
data
can
supplement
that
and
we
can
certainly
we
have.
You
know,
certainly
give
you
the
data
from
evictions
right.
H
You
must
include
your
rate
of
rent
on
a
summary
ejectment
and
we've
been
pulling
all
those
from
welcome
county.
We
have
all
of
those.
So
I
think
this
summer
you
know
we're
gonna
put
an
intern
on
that
and
I
haven't
really
heard
back
from
I.t.
There's
we've
been
adding
some
new
programming
at
bisca,
so
they're
focused
on
that
right
now,
but
I
do
think
we'll
have
something.
H
C
B
A
Yeah,
I
think
where
the
you
know,
it's
like
the
like.
Obviously
you
know
the
discussion
about.
You
know
that,
with
with
vouchers-
and
you
know,
there's
there's
rent,
you
know
the
rents
are
set,
and
we
understand
that
that
so
it's
I
think,
the
where
the
data
will
help
the
most
is
where
I
think
the
where
the
gap
is
spreading.
The
most
is
is
the
people
who
are
like
in
that
60
to
80
percent
ami
range.
A
That's
where
the,
where
those
people
where
they
were
spending,
you
know
30
or
more
of
their
income
with
a
rent
increase.
The
people
that
are,
you
know,
like
those
numbers,
get
pretty
high.
You
know
if
an
80
percent
between
between
60
and
80
percent
ami,
I
think
some
of
those
rents
are
now
hitting
you
know,
40
of
their
income.
Just
and
that's
that's
kind
of
what
we're
you
know.
A
The
other
part
of
the
data
to
share
is
like
how
it's
it's
getting
out
of
reach
of
not
just
the
people
who
are
in
the
needing
the
support
the
most.
But
you
know
eighty
percent
of
the
people
in
our
city
so
we'll
see,
but
I
appreciate
the
conversation.
I
think
it
is
valuable
data
and
it
was
interesting
yeah
to
to
see
that
we
as
a
community
said
we
wanted
it
and
then
realized
well,
it
doesn't
exist
so
we'll
see
we'll
see
if
we
can
motivate
someone
to
get
behind
that.
A
Okay,
thanks
move
on
to
what's
in
our
unfinished
business
or
our
task
forces
where
you
know
build's
continuing
to
meet
yeah,
I
think
we're
gonna
with
I
guess,
with
some
of
the
uncertainty
of
our
future.
It
probably
would
make
sense
to
start
fast
tracking,
putting
things
on
paper
and
andy.
Do
you
want
to
share
some?
You
know.
I'm
gonna
share
some
stuff
about
connect.
I
know
you
guys
have
been
having
some
good
meetings.
G
Yeah
we
we
continued
to
discuss
the
idea
of
creating
some
sort
of
equitable
development
scorecard
model
that
this
that
the
ahack
team
could
use
to
make
sure
that
we're
looking
at
at
all
of
the
community
benefits
that
we're
trying
to
trying
to
earn
from
our
community
development
investment.
So
things
like
community
engagement
in
the
process
and
disadvantaged
business
engagement
in
contracting
and
hiring
practices
on
a
development
project.
G
So
in
some
ways
this
sort
of
links
the
this
was
the
conversation
we
had
at
our
last
meeting
is
like
how
is
this
different
than
what
build
is
doing?
You
know
if
they're,
looking
at
what
the
regulatory
barriers
are
to
getting
a
unit
built.
G
G
You
know
all
of
the
other
technical
review
pieces
that
come
along,
but
you've
got
a
place
for
for
community
input
and
those
sort
of
you
know
kind
of
intangibles
around
a
project
to
to
be
scored
and
assessed
and
and
and
move
in
along
with
the
project
as
it
as
it
goes
before,
hcd
and
then
council.
So
so,
we've
made
a
little
bit
of
progress
on
that.
We
found
several
good
examples
around
the
country
where
communities
have
done
that.
G
I
haven't
yet
found
an
example
where
this
kind
of
thing
really
got
built
into
you
know
a
formal
approval
process
like
this.
Most
often
it
tends
to
come
in
the
from
neighborhood
organizations
that
are
using
a
tool
like
this
to
to
either
add
their
support
or
withhold
their
support
from
from
proposed
projects
that
are
happening
in
their
neighborhoods.
That
works
a
little
bit
better
in
a
in
a
council
framework
where
there
are
council
districts,
and
so
you
can,
you
know
neighborhood-based
folks
have
a
little
bit
more
influence
on.
G
You
know
a
particular
decision
maker,
but
I
do
think
this
is
a.
I
do
think
this
is
a
valuable
role
that
that
a
hack
could
play
in
a
place
where
again
we're
we're
drawing
not
just
on
people
who
have
technical
expertise.
G
You
know
like
like
chris
or
scott
or
margie,
but
you
know,
have
a
platform
for
community
members
who
are
passionate
about
housing,
but
not
necessarily
down
in
the
weeds
of
the
technical
piece
of
of
housing
to
to
to
represent
their
concerns
in
how
we're
thinking
about
individual,
individual
projects
or
individual.
You
know
policy
changes
around
zoning
or
things
like
that.
So
so,
we'll
we'll
continue
to
work
on
that
and
move
that
forward.
We
had.
G
Also,
at
our
last
meeting
about
the
the
discussion
last
month
around
really
what
the
role
is
of
this
committee
and
our
work
plan
and
trying
to
create
some
balance
between.
You
know
a
focus
on
production,
which
has
really
been
something
that
we've
gotten
fairly
single-minded
about,
because
the
lack
of
housing
is
is
the
core
issue.
But
you
know
there
are
other.
G
There
are
other
pieces
as
well
around
preserving
the
affordable
housing
supply
that
we
have
and
who
can
access
units
and
those
sorts
of
things
that
really
land
on
the
connect
side
of
things
and
trying
to
elevate
that
in
the
conversation,
as
well
as
the
production
side
of
the
equation,.
A
Yeah,
no,
I
think
you
know
I'm,
you
know.
I
appreciate
yeah
you're,
bringing
that
up
the
past.
You
know
a
few
meetings
because
it
is
true:
it's
like
the
yeah
there's
the
production
focus,
but
then
there's
the
policy
and
then
there's
the
connecting.
You
know
making
sure
that
once
once,
if
we
can
ever
open
up
the
production
flow
that
the
that
the
right
units
are
being
made,
you
know
I
I
like
I
use
like.
I
use
it
as
an
example.
A
I
think
one
of
the
last
luigi
applications
we
were
allowed
to
review
where,
like
the
developer,
was
proposing
a
single
class
of
units
and
they
were
all
like
studios
and
they
were
that
was
for
those
we.
They
were
meeting
like
the
absolute
minimum,
and
you
know
during
our
allowed
discussion
of
that.
You
know
it
came
up
like
look.
This
is
a
single
class.
A
They
have
one
they've,
only
studio
units,
there's
some
one
bedroom
units
can't
they
be
affordable
and
like,
in
that
case
the
developer
actually
adjusted
their
application
before
going
to
hcd
and
add
it
in
one
bedrooms,
and
I
think
that's
you
know,
that's
where
I
see
like
some
of
that,
what
I
what
I
refer
to
as
connect
and
the
policy
comes
into
place,
because
you
know
most
of
these
luigi
asks
we've
seen,
there's
very
you
know,
of
the
smaller
projects,
whether
you
know
they're
doing
like
they're,
10
or
20,
affordable.
A
Very
few
of
them
ever
have
family
unit.
You
know
those
aren't
family
units
being
created
and
I
think
that's
you
know
important
part
of
that
to
you
know,
keeping
the
equation
that
it's
not
just
meeting
the
minimum
for
something
but
to
make
sure
that
we're
reaching
what
the
people
need
where
you
know,
even
though
it's
it's
true
that
the
the
most
needed
vouchers
or
the
single
units
there's
a
lot
of
families
that
then
don't
get
to
participate
in
those
developments
that
are
just
getting
the
minimum
amount
of
units,
so
so
yeah.
A
But
I
you
know,
and
those
are
the
things
that
over
the
years
you
know
over
years,
as
a
committee
we've
always
discussed
and
when
we've
seen
applications
and
projects,
those
are
things
that
always
came
into
play
in
discussion,
and
you
know
I
I
think
you
know.
I
think
that
that
that
and
you
know
the
connect
group
and
the
policy.
The
policy
part
keeps
that
keeps
that
at
up
top
margie.
D
I
just
wanted
to
say
if
you
read
the
article
in
the
paper
about
the
new
d
review,
the
d
review
that's
going
to
be
constructed
is
that
they
are
going
to
have
some
not
a
lot,
but
some
four
bedroom
units
and
those
are
so
hard
to
find.
I
don't,
I
don't
even
know
where
they
they
are
currently,
if
we
even
have
any.
But
that's
a
really
good,
I
mean
there's
you
don't
have
a
a
lot
of
them,
but
that's
a
good
opportunity
for
the
family
to
to
get
involved.
J
A
Okay,
well
great
yeah
thanks.
I
you
know
appreciate
this
and
I
appreciate
you
know
the
when
we
you
know
for,
are
we
stepping
back
and
reviewing
what
it
is
that
we
feel
you
know
if
we're
feeling
like
we're
off
point
or
off
task,
how
we
can
make
sure
we
keep
that
all
balanced
and,
like
I
said
last
meeting
yeah,
I
agree,
I
probably
have
pulled
it
a
little
bit
more
production
production
minded
because
I
you
know,
as
I
see
we,
if
we
have
the
production,
then
we
can.
A
We
have
the
ability
to
write
more
policies
right
now.
There's
it's
like
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
policies
are.
If
there's?
No,
if
there's
no,
if
there's
no
project
coming
to
the
table,
so
thank
y'all
next
up,
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
any,
I
don't
take
too
much
time
on
it,
but
on
the
open
space
is,
is
there
any,
I
think,
council's
having
a
learning
session
on
it
any
anyone
else
any
info
to
share
on
that.
C
C
A
R
Yeah,
this
is
a
video,
so
we
will
give
council
an
update
and
and
have
some
time
specifically
to
talk
through
the
the
various
issues
and
then
we'll
look
to
their
guidance.
So
their
guidance
may
just
tell
us
to
move
forward
with
the
the
formal
process
to
go
to
the
planning,
zoning
and
then
to
city
council,
or
it
may
involve
some
additional
engagement.
R
But
we'll
we'll
find
out
on
tuesday.
A
Thanks
next
up,
are
you
our
affordable
housing
challenges
and
code?
That's
kind
of,
I
guess,
a
lot
of
what
we're
tackling
with
it
kind
of
build.
I
did
hear
one
thing
I
guess
since
fidel's
on
the
line.
Maybe
I'll
ask
you
if
you
don't
mind,
has
there
been
any?
I
heard
some
rumbling
about
a
change
of
flag
lot
standards.
Is
there
anything
in
motion
about
that
vidillo.
R
I
don't
think
so:
we've
we've
we've
internally
kind
of
reviewed
it
back
and
forth
a
little
bit
over
the
last
couple
years
and
haven't
really
settled
on
anything
and
it
hadn't
hasn't
been
a
priority.
I
think
there's,
there's
kind
of
a
I'd
say.
R
Maybe
a
split
in
thinking
that
that
there's
there's
some
I'd
say
the
larger
consensus
is
behind
not
promoting
more
flag
lots
because
of
the
break
in
feel
of
of
the
effect
of
development
on
the
street.
So
I
guess
that's
all
I
have
to
say
you
know.
If
you
guys
wanted
to
talk
specifically
about
it,
we
could
we
could
put
together
some
slides
to
to
bring
to
a
hack
the
specific
issues
to
cons
of
concern
or
things
that
we
should
think
about
and
then
go
from
there.
A
Yeah,
so
there's
no
there's,
no
there's
nothing
like
active,
then
so
there's
nothing
like
being
discussed
to
go
to
pngs.
This
is
just
okay,
good,
okay,
yeah.
I
think
that
would
be
pretty
bad
for
affordable
housing.
If
that
went
away,
but
yeah
I'm
happy
happy
to
hear
about
that.
Maybe
I'll
have
to
clarify
what
I
heard.
Maybe
it
was
tough.
So
maybe
it
was
more
of
a
technical
talk
of
driveway
standards,
but.
R
A
All
right
great!
Well
thanks.
I
guess
we'll
see
what
happens
at
the
meeting
on
open
space,
but
thanks
next
up
on
our
list.
So
we
have
you
know
this
has
been
here
a
while
the
scaled,
affordable
housing
rebates
for
shorter
length
commitments.
You
know,
because
that's
been
you
know
been
a
discussion
about
for
especially
for
encouraging.
You
know
again
with
this
idea
that
there
is
very
little
production
coming,
but
then
those
who
do
are
building
there's
not
much.
A
There's
not
much
offering
the
city
has
to
help
unless
they're
willing
to
put
severe
deed
restrictions
on
properties,
and
so
our
discussion
has
been.
Is
there
some
way
we
can
offer
a
scaled
rebate
for
this
like
something
to?
Even
if
it's
a
you
know,
even
if
it
you
know,
because
we
have
you
know
it
feels
like
we
have
such
an
immediate
need
that
we
need
to
solve
that.
Is
there
any
kind
of
scale
rebate
offerings
we
could
offer?
A
Where?
I
guess
what
I
just
you
know.
We've
discussed
this.
I
guess
I'd
like
to
see
if
this
is
something
we,
as
a
committee
want
to
keep
on
the
agenda
I
mean
or
if
we
want
to
like,
we.
C
I
I
think
if
you
can
get
scale
and
nuance,
especially
for
smaller,
smaller
developers,
slash
smaller
projects,
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
it's
a
silver
shotgun
approach.
You
know
just
just
hitting
any
and
all
points
that
you
can
and
kind
of
going
to
our
earlier
discussion
of
you
know,
looking
at
rental
rates.
Amongst
you
know,
duplexes
garage
apartments
basement
apartments
stuff,
that's
you
know
stuff,
that's
not
going
to
show
up
on
a
co-star
report
for
a
you
know
large-scale
apartment,
complex.
D
Sorry,
I
think
that
that's
really
a
good
thing
to
do,
but
I
want
to
share-
and
I
can
share
it
with
christina
and
she
can
publish
it
or
put
it
online.
But
I
have
there's
a
publication
called
construction
dive
that
a
lot
of
you
probably
get
and
price
increases
for
construction
materials
for
the
last
12
months
through
january
of
2022,
and
I
just
think
it's
something
that
people
should
be
aware
of.
Because
I
mean
we
talk
about
it
all
the
time
and
it's
in.
J
D
You
still
are
facing
these
incredible
increases
and
that's
something
that
when
looking
at
gap
money
for
them,
you
have
to
take
into
consideration
now.
So
I
can
send
that
to
christina
or
I
can
just
send
it
to
the
committee.
Whichever.
A
The
yeah
I
get,
I
get
weekly
rep,
so
we
get.
We
get
a
weekly
price
report
from
who
we
buy
our
lumber
from
to
see
and
there's
a
cert
yeah
we're
in
the
middle
of
another
big
surge
and
it
and
and
then
the
you
know
the
lead
times.
Of
course
it's
like
it.
It
takes
it's
19
weeks
to
get
a
window
right
now
and
then
but
lumber
yeah,
lumber
kind
of
had
its
peak
last
year.
A
I
wonder
you
know
what
are
your
thoughts
like
as
we're
having
this
conversation,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
because,
as
we've
just
we've
talked
about
the
scaled
rebate
idea
before
and
you
know,
obviously
the
policy
doesn't
exist
for
that
and
we've
talked
about
like
I've
asked
like
okay.
Well,
well,
really,
what's
the
penalties
that
if
someone
does
something
and
then
doesn't
do
something,
is
that
offer
some
kind
of
skilled
rebate?
In
effect,
I
wonder
what
what
would
it
look
like?
A
I
mean
so,
if
it's
more
of
like
because
some
of
some
of
our
housing
trust
funds
are
just
loans
and
if
it
was
a
construction
loan
like
what
would
happen,
I
mean
I
mean
here's
like
I'm
just
tossing
it
out
there.
They
have
an
adu
if
someone
got
if
we,
if
we
contributed
to
the
funding
the
construction
of
an
adu
and
part
of
getting
that
construction
loan
was,
they
were
committing
for
five
years,
two
years
for
it
to
be
affordable
so
and
the
loan
is
paid
off
before
that.
A
G
You
know,
I
think,
there's
a
both
for
new
construction
and
for
preservation
of
existing.
You
know
kind
of
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing.
Those
kind
of
incentives
can
work
really
well.
So
you
know
it's
relatively
difficult
to
just
apply
regulatory
pressure
to
say
you
know,
hey
make
this
affordable
or
hey.
Keep
your.
G
You
know,
keep
your
duplex
in
good
shape,
but
don't
you
know,
but
don't
charge
more
for
it
when
you
have
to
go
in
and
you
know
replace
the
roof
or
whatever
I
mean,
but
you
know
if
we
think
about
those
folks,
as
you
know,
in
the
same
way,
we
think
about
other
kind
of
economic
development
activity
for
small
business
owners.
Those
kind
of
you
know
a
loan.
G
An
incentive
program
gives
us
a
tool
that
may
be
easier
to
to
encourage
people
to
do
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
want
them
to
do
long
term
than
than
just
using
regulatory
power.
So
you
know
to
say
you
know,
here's
a
you
know:
here's
low
interest
financing
through
the
housing
trust
fund
to
you
know
to
build
additional
units
on
property
that
you
already
own
during
the
life
of
the
loan.
G
You
need
to
keep
those
affordable
at
80
of
ami,
but
once
you've
returned
all
of
the
cities,
you
know
so
the
city's
getting
tax
value
off
of
that
property
and
they're.
Also
getting
the
you
know
the
loan
repaid
interest.
You
know
once
we've
done
that,
maybe
they
you
know,
maybe
they
take
the
property
market
rate
at
that
point
or
maybe
they've
had
you
know,
the
kind
of
experience
like
thrive
is
finding
with
some
of
the
landlords
that
they're
working
with
or
they
were
like.
G
G
I
was
looking
one
of
the
things
we've
done
with
connect
is
put
together
all
of
our
different
city
incentive
programs
for
affordable
housing
and
look
at
the
various
restrictions
that
each
one
of
them
brings
with
it,
and
some
of
our
some
of
the
programs,
with
the
fewest
with
the
lowest
incentive,
actually
bring
the
highest
set
of
hurdles
to
jump
through.
So
you
know,
I
think
this
idea
of
figuring
out
some
way
to
to
make
this
scalable
or
create
a
new
program.
That's
scalable,
to
get
the
private
market
more
engaged.
G
C
Yeah
I
mean,
if
you're
just
trying
to
quickly
categorize
into
three
categories
of
you
know:
rehab
renovate
addition,
expansion
or
new
construction,
and
if
you,
if
you
were
trying
to
incent,
you
know
new
construction,
which,
which
is
mostly
at
least
in
my
view-
that's
what's
most
needed
in
terms
of
just
peer
supply
and
the
general
age
and
decline
of
our
housing
stock,
at
least
within
city
limits.
You
know
stuff
built
in
the
20s.
That's
that's
100
years
old!
Now,
no
matter
how
well
you
rehab
and
renovate
it
at
some
point.
C
It's
you
know
it's
a
it's
just
a
it's
a
diminishing
return
on
that
so
yeah.
I
like
the
idea
of
trying
to
you
know,
even
just
in
the
the
quick
scribble
that
I
did
of
rehab
renovate
addition,
expansion,
new
construction
and
if
you
were
trying
to
apply
different
levels
of
incentives
to
those
three
different
options
that
that
could
be
a
possible
solution
for
small
sites,
small
developers.
What
have
you
reggie.
D
Nikki,
I
have
a
question
for
you.
Last
year
we
passed
a
policy
that
said
that
if
there
was
a
existing
building
that
had
you
know
some
vacancies,
if
a
developer
wanted
to
turn
one
or
two
of
those
and
as
people
left
make
those
apartments
affordable
have.
Has
anybody
taken
advantage
of
that
opportunity.
P
No-
and
I
think-
and
this
is
where
I
see
like
a
really
interesting
intersection
between
policy
and
then
as
it
comes
down
into
how
we
as
staff,
enact
those
procedures
so
that
policy
was
created
right,
but
the
infrastructure
necessary
to
really
market
advertise.
Get
that
going.
Have
you
know
proper
staffing
capacity
in
place
to
carry
it
out,
develop
those
programs
like
that's,
where
my
mind
is
at
right.
It's
like
that's
where
I
see
how
building
out
our
internal
infrastructure
to
really
support
those
policies
is,
is
what
we
need
to
do.
P
So
we
have
not
I'm
very
excited
about
that
work.
I'm
excited
about
how
luigi
may
play
in
that
space
because
I
think
that's
exactly
what
it's
intended
to
do,
but
we
you
know,
we
really
need
to
build
out
internal
systems
of
of
how
we
do
that.
So
I
certainly
think
it's
a
great
tool
and
I
want
it.
I
want
to
see
it
be
used,
but
I
think
we
need
to
spend
a
little
time
on
how
to
create
that
internal
infrastructure
to
really
make
that
opportunity,
widely
known
and
and
widely
taken
up.
P
So
I'm
excited
about
it,
but
we
need
to
do
some
work
in
that
space.
Okay,.
A
A
If
someone,
what
is
someone
is
someone
giving
like
to
if,
if
a
developer
is
saying
hey,
I
want
200
000
to
build
two
houses
and
it's
a
and
it's
a
loan
for
a
year
or
two
year
period
and
then
to
get
that
or
they
is
part
of
what
they're
signing
then
is
the
20
or
30
year
deed
restriction
as
a
condition
of
that
loan.
P
I
may,
and
I
may
pull
jonathan
in
to
really
help
me
answer
that,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
especially
just
in
my
experience
now
working
with
the
haywood
street
community
development
project
that
those
are
amortized
over
a
20
or
30
year
period,
so
typically
those
loans
are
granted.
But
then
the
principal
and
interest
payments
that
come
back
to
the
city
is
amortized
over
a
set
year
period,
whether
that's
20,
30
years
in
the
case
of
haywood
it's
longer,
because
that
allows
for
a
longer
runway
for
payback.
P
So
those
are
held
through
a
deed
of
trust.
Right
now
is
the
typical
process
and
the
legal
instrument
that
we
use
to
protect
the
city's
interests
there.
O
And
that
actually
mirrors
some
of
the
home
regulations
as
far
as
minimum
affordability
periods,
so
with
home
funds.
There's
a
set
time,
even
if
the
developer
were
to
repay
a
home
loan.
There
is
a
set
amount
of
time
that
that
those
units
are
required
to
be
affordable
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
a
program
that
is
just
getting
a
lot
of
turnover,
but
not
actually
resulting
in
long-term,
affordable
units.
A
P
I
don't
know-
and
I
wish
janice
ashley
were
here
our
legal
representative,
because
I'm
not
certain
on
how
the
fee
rebate
program
works,
I'm
much
more
familiar
with
real
estate
and
or
the
loan
instruments
that
we
use
to
govern
that.
So
that's
a
good
question.
We
may
need
to
follow
up
on
that.
A
A
A
A
tall
order,
yeah
yeah,
because
I
think
you
know
in
the
past,
like
even
my
company
is
it
was
enough
of
incentive
for
us
to
like
we.
You
know
we
we
had
certified.
You
know
that
we,
our
first
turns
of
new
construction,
were
at
the
standards
because
it
was
a
significant
incentive
that
didn't
cost
the
city
much.
A
You
know
because
it's
really
just
certifying
the
msd,
but
I
think
there's,
there's
value
in
this
conversation
that,
if
like,
if
we're
saying
what's
needed,
is
production,
and
if
one
of
the
things
we
can
say
well,
if
we
could
make
low-interest
loans
that
need
to
be
paid
off,
if
the,
if
the,
if
the
restriction
period
is
tied
into
the
period
of
when
city
funding
is
used,
you
know,
I
guess
I
guess
the
bigger
question
is
is:
do
we
have
an
issue
with
the
city's
funds
being
used
to
turn
over
quickly
if
they're
doing
good,
even
if
the
good
isn't
for
30
years.
P
Right
and
that's
typically
how
we
try
to
protect
that
investment.
Always
right
is
through
through
the
legal
tools
that
we
have
through
things,
such
as
deed
restrictions
or
loan
documents.
So,
but
that's
something
to
follow
up,
I
mean
it
seems
like
if
there's
a
lower
threshold,
especially
for
fee
rebates,
there
might
be
a
different
tool
that
we
can
use
to
restrict
that.
A
Sorry,
oh
go
ahead.
I
was
going
to
ask
you,
like
I
know
exactly
like
I
know,
of
an
example
of
yours
that
there's
a
habitat
house
that
probably
received,
I
don't
know
if
it
received
some
city
funding
that
is
now
going
into
resale
on
the
market
for
exceeding
pricing
standards.
How
does
that
so?
What
happens
to
a
case
like
that?
So
it's
a
house
that
I
don't
know
what
restrictions
it
had
on
it.
But
what
is
the
what
happens
in
that
case.
G
Yeah,
I
mean
often
we're
able
to
buy
those
back
and
resell
them
to
another
income,
qualified
family,
sometimes
because
of
the
stuff
we
talked
about
a
minute
ago.
G
We
just
can't
put
the
package
together
to
do
you
know
to
buy
those
back
and
at
that
point
again
with
the
deed
of
trust
model
that
nikki's,
describing
you
know,
any
public
contribution
to
that
project
gets
recaptured
to
be
reused
in
additional,
affordable
housing
and
all
of
the
private
investment
that
went
into
making
that
affordable
gets
recaptured
to
you
know
to
make
that
to
to
use
for
the
same
purpose.
G
But
what
I
the
comment
I
was
going
to
make
is,
I
think,
the
the
idea
of
restricting
funds
and
creating
longer
term
affordability
makes
a
lot
of
sense
if
we're
talking
about
a
direct
subsidy
like
that
right,
so
that
you
know,
if
you
look
at
that
model,
that's
you
know.
That's
a
long-term
subsidy
to
that
borrower.
G
You
know,
but
when
we're
talking
about
programs
that
primarily
incentivize
production,
either
by
reducing
the
cost
like
a
fee
rebate
or
by
reducing
the
cost
through
low
cost
interest
for
construction
loans,
that
to
me
has
always
been
an
odd
place
to
try
to
capture
longer-term
affordability
because
you're
not
putting
you're
not
putting
long-term
resources
in
the
form
of
a
subsidy
into
that
property
right
you're
recapturing.
All
of
that,
you
know
the
city's
investment
in
a
very
short
period
of
time,
so
you
know
that
that's
always
been.
G
A
Yeah,
I
think
yeah,
I
think
it's
I
mean
I,
you
know
I'll
share.
A
Another
example,
like
I
mean
so
I
I
completed,
I
completed
four
units
that
were
purchased
by
a
local
investor,
wanting
to
help
and
they're
on
they're
all
there's
four
homes
that
are
taking
their
family
homes
taking
vouchers,
and
there
was
no
rebates
available
like
there's
nothing
like
there's
no
fee
rebate,
there's
no
incentives,
because
no
one
wanted
to
sign
a
30-year
deed
restriction,
and
it
seems
it
almost
seems
wrong
because
it
discourages
production
to
go
towards
the
right
thing
and
it
doesn't
allow.
You
know,
I
think
I've
used.
A
Example
you
have
to
get
you
have
to
get
married
on
your
first
date
and
it
doesn't
allow
you
know,
and
that's
maybe
that
was
where
that's
this
ties
in
andy-
that
if
it's
a
if
it's
a
long-term
investment
or
a
short-term
investment,
but
so
in
our
this
is
a
really
good
conversation
and-
and
this
could
tie
in
even
with
like
I
mean
it's
almost
could
even
tie
in
with
I
mean
I'm
looking
at
this
list
of
these
things
on
here.
A
This
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
the
scaled,
the
skilled
rebates,
the
fee
rebates,
the
housing
trust
fund.
Using
for
that
and
then
down
payment
assistance.
I
mean
it
might
tie
in
the
same
thing
like
if
you
put
it
down
with
down
payment,
would
they
ask
for
down
payment
assistance
from
a
housing?
Trust
fund
be
more
likely
to
be
easier
to
navigate
and
figure
out
if
it
could
be.
A
If
if
the
restriction
goes,
if
the
deed
restriction
is
only
tied
into
the
length
of
when
something's
in
place
and
if
it
gets
paid
off,
then
those
restrictions
come
off
it
might
it
might
help
really
incur
like
it
might
help
encourage
the
production
to
use
policies.
It
might
be
a
way
that
the
policy
might
encourage
production
to
steer
that
way,
see
a
lot
of
nods.
A
Yeah,
so
in
our
new
action
action
minutes
minded
thing
you
know:
do
we
want
to
do
we
are
we
up
to
a
point.
We
want
to
maybe
entertain
a
motion
that
we
want
to
r
we
want
to
ex
without,
like
I
don't
know,
I
guess
ask
city
ask
to
explore
incentives
that
the
length
of
the
incentive
is
the
the
restrictions
or
affordability
are
tied
to
the
length
of
the
cities.
A
I'm
trying
to
think
of
how
to
word
it.
They
want
to
help
me
out
here
or
well.
I
guess
are
we
are
we
do
we
feel
comfortable?
We
want
to
even
discuss
this.
I
mean
entertain
this.
This
motion
now.
G
Barry
this
gets
us
to
kind
of,
I
mean
at
least
for
me.
This
gets
back
to
the
conversation
we
had
last
month.
I
I
don't
know
what
we
do
at
this
point
is
asking
that
hcd
look
at
creating.
You
know
a
new,
more
flexible
incentive
program.
Are
we
asking
staff
to
to
you,
know
research,
more
flexible
incentive
programs,
and
do
we
have
the
authority
to
to
request,
have
to
take
action
or
does
that
need
to
cut?
I.
Q
A
Absolutely
so
let
me
share
like
so
let
me
just
share
like
in
the
old
days
when
we
were
in
person
in
the
old
days
when
we,
when,
especially
when
I
had
a
I
would
like,
was
very-
we
had
a
lot
of
say.
Let's
just
say,
we
had
a
lot
more
affordable
housing
friends
on
in
throughout
the
government.
So
what
would
happen
in
a
case
like
this?
I'm
just
hearing
how
this
would
work
a
discussion
would
come
up
like
this.
I
would
then
probably
meet.
A
I
would
probably
meet
with
a
few
with
with
some
of
the
hdd
members
individually.
I
would
then
go
to
the
hcd
meeting
and
it
was
kind
of
honestly
pre-negotiated
what
the
conversation
was
going
to
be,
and
then
we
would
move
it
forward.
That's
how
it
used
to
work.
You
know
we.
We
obviously
have
a
a
pretty
big
disconnect
with
hcd
now
and
the
focus,
and
you
know
and
really
the
focus
of
the
you
know
the
with
the
communication.
A
The
way
it
is
and
a
lot
of
the
focus
is
the
parties
have
not
been
on
housing,
but
that's
how
that's
how
it
was
in
the
past
like
this
is
what
I
used
to
would
have
done
with
that,
but
in
the
the
way
that
we're
like
existing
now,
it
seems
like-
and
especially
with
this
idea
of
these
actions
or
the
only
thing
whatever
we
do.
As
an
action
item
is
the
only
thing
that's
going
to
really
get
discussed
or
reviewed
or
globbed
or
glanced
by
anyone
out
of
this
meeting.
A
So
we
have
to
like
make
those
nuggets
and
pass
those
nuggets
up.
So
whether
we're
saying
we'd
recommend
that
h,
you
know,
I
guess
we
would
say
we
we
would
recommend
it.
That
ahack
recommends
that
hcd
explore
a.
I
don't
know.
We
call
it
lower
class,
but
a
scaled
incentive
and
rebate
and
loan
program
where
the
city,
affordability,
re
lanes
are
tied
to
the
length
of
the
city's
investment
in
it.
B
I
Yeah
it
just
strikes
me
hcd,
isn't
very
well
structured
to
just
investigate
things
right,
so
we
ought
to
go
through
and,
I
think,
put
together
a
proposal.
I
We
could
ask
them
first
if
they
were
willing
to
entertain
it,
but
then
it
might
be
difficult
for
them
to
figure
out
what
we're
talking
about.
Unless
we
actually
said
like
here
are
the
incentives
as
they
stand
today:
here's
what
we
would
recommend
them
being
moved
toward,
so
that
you
have
something
concrete
to
discuss
because
I'm
sure
all
they
would.
If
you
said,
let's
do
scales
incentives.
I
P
Well
so-
and
I
want
to
clarify
something
too-
is
that
currently
our
housing
trust
fund
any
other,
like
our
the
land
structure
that
we
did
with
haywood
street,
so
there
are
restrictions
that
accompany
those
that
do
match
the
length
of
affordability.
P
So,
if
you
think
of
our
land
use
incentive
grant,
so
that
is
tied
to
a
certain
number
of
years
of
performance
in
the
land
use
incentive
grant
and
those
agreements
are
tied
to
the
number
of
years
that
is
granted
through
the
luige
plus
the
incentives
match
that
so
that's
one
case,
our
second
tool,
housing,
trust
fund,
the
same
exists.
P
So
it
varies,
of
course,
case
by
case
and
dependent
upon
the
loan.
But
again
this
the
incentive
timeline
also
matches
the
accountability
for
the
developers
performing.
So
I
guess
what
I'm,
what
I'm
starting
to
sense
and
then,
thirdly,
for
for
land,
when
there's
city
land
in
the
deal
or
anything
like
that,
we
use
deed
restrictions
which
are
permanent
restrictions,
often
to
govern
the
action
of
the
developer
and
the
existence
of
that
housing
incentive
right.
P
So
I
I'm
saying
is
like
I
think,
the
only
question
that
I
have
is
really
on
this
fee
rebate
and
what
I'm
hearing
too
from
the
committee
is
like
yeah,
the
feed
rebate,
there's
something
there
that
we
may
need
to
understand
better.
So
I'm
curious
like
if
perhaps
there's
a
little
finer
point
on
again.
I'm
very
I
want
to
see
our
tools
work
and
I
think
we've
got
good
traction
with
luigi,
notwithstanding
our
our
newest
luige,
meaning
the
existing
housing
stock.
P
But
we've
got
more
to
do
on
that
before
we
can
kind
of
assess
the
utility
of
that
grant.
You
know.
Housing
trust
fund
is
a
robust
program
that
continues
to
perform
well
city
and
land.
You
know
there's
there's
good
stories
there,
but
it's
a
little
more
complicated
because
the
nature
of
the
of
the
program,
if
we
want
to
hone
in
on
fee
rebate,
if
that's
something
that
that
we
may
want
to
explore
further
like
that's
where
I'm
seeing,
might
be
beneficial.
P
But
you
know
it's
not
exactly
where
you
guys
were
headed,
but
I'm
just
hearing
that
if
the
idea
is
to
make
sure
that
our
tools
are
functional
and
that's
something
that
that
can
be
reviewed
by
this
group,
it
sounds
like
fee
rebates
may
be
worthwhile
to
explore.
As
a
first
step
I
mean-
and
I'm
I'm
willing
to
to
assist
with
that
to
to-
because
I
I
I
would
want
to.
P
I
need
to
better
understand
it
for
myself
for
sure
and
understand,
like
what
some
of
the
stops
and
starts
are,
and
I'm
sure
to
your
point,
barry
if
you've
participated
in
in
that
before
and
there's
been
blocks.
There
then
happy
to
you
know,
think
about
how
that
policy
could
be
improved.
So
yeah.
A
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
I
mean
the
to
me.
Yeah
the
fee
rebate
is
important
and
I
I
think
the
short
term
fi
like
if
there's
short-term
construction
financing,
that's
used
to
create
stock.
I
think
that
should
be
discussed
as
well.
You
know,
especially,
I
look
at
especially
also
we've.
We
have
a
you
know.
We
have
bonds
with
housing
trust
fund
that
we
kind
of
need
needs
to
be
used,
and
this
could
be
a
way
that
that
encourages
the
use
of
that
to
create
production.
A
A
Even
if
it
was
you
know,
I
I
I
think,
there's
value
in
that
you
know
I'm
thinking,
as
you
know,
knowing
of
the
down
payment
assistance,
some
of
these
other
funds
that
are
out
there,
that
if
we
can
at
least
use
them
where
they
can
be
recurring
and
but
they're
creating
they're,
creating
good
up
front,
I
think
there's
value
in
it,
so
I
think
to
just
to
keep
just
to
keep
this
moving,
but
I
think,
maybe
you
know
again
we're
trying
to
navigate
this
new,
this
way
of
making
sure
that
our
what
gets
on
the
minutes
is
important,
because
it's
the
only
thing
that's
going
to
make
it
on
the
minutes.
A
If
we,
if
we
vote
on
this,
so
even
if
it's
even
if
what
we
vote
is
that
we,
you
know,
we
support
the
exploration
and
creation
of
of
scaled
length
policies.
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
this
is
where
this
gets
I'll
honestly
say
it's
running
a
meeting
this
week.
It's
really
hard,
I'm
having
a
makeup
emotion
in
the
top
of
my
head,
andy.
G
How
about
this
as
motion
language,
so
I
would
move
that
ahack
recommends,
adopting
and
adapting
the
city's
incentive
programs
to
promote
smaller
scale,
development
or
rehab
for
affordable
housing.
G
Say
it
again.
Sorry,
so
we
recommend
adopting
or
adapting
existing
incentive
programs
to
promote
the
small
scale,
development
or
rehab
for
affordable.
A
Housing,
do
you
want
to
type
something
in
with
less
the
length
of
the
something,
because
that
that
at
least
like
scaled
rebates,
that
type
of
length.
G
Yeah,
I
I
don't
because
I
I
want
to
leave
it
a
little
more
open
because,
as
I
look
at
that
to
nikki's
point,
some
of
the
things
already
have
like
luigi
and
housing
trust
fund.
They
already
have
the
scaled
thing,
but
they
don't
have
their
issue.
Is
you
know
the
minimum
20
you
know
got
it?
Okay,
affordability,
like
we,
don't
have
a
scale
that
says
you
know.
G
I'm
gonna
give
you
a
hundred
percent
affordability,
because
I'm
only
building
one
unit
and
as
a
result,
I'm
going
to
you
know
I'm
going
to
shorten
the
term
of
affordability
or
whatever
it
might.
You
know
there
there's
there's
more
nuance
in
the
way
these
need
to
be
kind
of
okay
dynamic
than
than
just
linking
it
to
the
term
of
affordability.
A
F
B
A
Thank
you,
I
think.
Well
sorry,
I
think
I
forgot
the
I
forgot
the
part
of
first.
If
we
have
any
discussion,
if
we
needed
any
discussion
on
that,
do
we
have
any
discussion
on
that
sorry,
I
think
I
forgot
that
robert
jewels
of
orders
piece,
but
all
right
motion
carries
thank
you
so
much
yeah.
I
think
that
this
this
then
helps
keep
the
nugget
up
there.
So
we
can
have
something
to
discuss
that
moves
on
thanks.
A
It's
good
conversation
yeah
and
I
I
think
it's
a
way
you
know
we've
had
that
kind
of
on
there.
While
in
the
discussion
I
know,
I
think,
that's
maybe
we'll
we'll
move
this
to
the
next
step,
but
we
can
kind
of
apply
that
we,
you
know
we
individually
over
the
next
month,
could
look
at
how
those
standards
already
what's
needed
for
fee
rebates
was
needed
for
loan
constructions
and
and
how
that
ties
in
with
the
you
know,
there's
a
link.
A
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
has
that
the
penalties
link
so
review
that
you
know,
because
I've
reviewed
that,
because
I
think
in
some
ways
the
scale
rebate
actually
does
exist
by
just
utilizing
by
paying
off
the
penalties,
it's
kind
of
like
it's
almost
like
getting
a
really
good
loan
with
a
prepayment
penalty,
and
you
just
pay
your
prepayment
penalty
and
it
actually
the
benefit
of
that
outweighs
so
all
right.
Well,
thank
you.
A
A
I
sent
out
a
request
right
after
the
meeting,
and
I
was
told
maybe
in
april,
is
the
best
I've
gotten
march
hcd.
A
You
know
hd
was
off,
I
think,
december
and
january
they
had
a
and
in
march
they're
all
kind
of
tied
up
in
their
cdbg
proposals,
so
they're
kind
of
tied
up,
so
I've
heard
they're
going
to
be
business
back
normal
in
april,
so
I've
I
haven't
been
told
for
sure
we
can
be
on
the
april
agenda,
but
I've
shared
how
important
it
is
to
us
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
it's
about
my
only
update
on
that
and
then
this
you
know
what
we
have
in
about
this
production
versus
policy
discussion.
A
I
think
we
just
you
know
we
tied
some
of
that
in
with
our
conversation
here,
but
I'd
like
to
kind
of
just
kind
of
I
mean
if,
like
you
know,
I
guess
just
use
this
to
kind
of.
Let's
go
around
about
like,
I
think
we
all
we.
I
think
I
I'm
definitely
listening
and
have
this
you
know
more.
I
want
to
make
sure
I've.
A
You
know,
I'm
making
sure
is
leading
this,
that
we
have
a
very
balanced
discussion
for
all
of
our
members
and
it's
we're
not
just
getting
too
technical
where
we,
you
know,
certainly
appreciate
that
the
production
is
needed,
but
that
the
policies
and
in
this
last
conversation
is
example
of
how
maybe
adjusting
and
tweaking
some
policies
can
really
encourage
the
production.
A
But
do
you
want
you
know?
I
just
want
to
kind
of
get
everyone's
thoughts
on
how
we,
as
a
committee,
could
better
balance.
You
know
you
know
in
our
upcoming
work
plan
for
production
and
policy,
you
know
whether
it's,
whether
it's
expanding
like
the,
whether
it's
being
more
targeted
with
the
focus
of
the
connect
committees
and
allowing
some
cover
more
conversation
about
policy
outside
or
or
what
I'm
just
open
for
ideas.
I'd
like
to
like
to
hear
andy,
I'm
going
to
pick
on
you
first.
F
What
I'm
thinking
about
is,
I
feel
like
that.
I
I've
been
on
this
committee
since
september
and
it's
been
very
interesting
to
me
because
I
feel
like
I'm
not
sure
at
this
point,
what
we're
accomplishing
and-
and
that's
that's
my
concern
because
I
know
at
the
housing
authority
we're
you
know,
we.
J
F
Bombarded
right
now
with
a
lot
of
different
projects
happening
and
a
lot
of
new
things,
because
we're
trying
to
you
know,
put
action
into
force
and
and
get
some
things
done.
So
I
think
that's
me
I'd
like
to
see
more
action.
What
what
can
this
committee
truly
do
to
bring
some
action?
Not
just
talk
about
the
need
for
affordable
housing,
but
if
that's
policy
change
whatever
that
means,
but
it
makes
make
some
true
action
and
move
forward
in
that
way.
B
C
C
I'm
just
looking
at
that
from
a
pure
bottom
line
of
pure
housing
supply
production.
At
any
price
point,
that's
I
mean
even
if
you're
building
you
know,
for
instance,
the
the
project.
I
think
it
was
the
avery
apartment
complex
that
was
recently
turned
down
by
city
council
for
a
conditional
zoning
that
had
nine
affordable
units
in
it
compared
to
the
haywood
street
project
45
units
which
were
all
affordable.
But
if
you
approve
five
more
projects
that
include
nine
units,
apiece,
then
you're
still
you're
still
reaching
that
same
net
amount.
C
So
yeah
I
I
I
won't
be
shy
about
you
know
stating
that
I'm
much
more
focused
on
production
and
policy
from
a
standpoint
of
zoning
and
development
regulations
which
influence
you
know
the
end
production
or
product.
But
I'm
also,
you
know
very
cognizant
of
andy's
emphasis
on
policy
and
process,
but
I
just
I
I
I
struggle
with
the
fact
that
if,
if
we
have
flat
or
declining
product,
then
process
and
policy
isn't
gonna
isn't
gonna
have
much
use.
A
Yeah,
there's
definitely
different,
there's
the
there's
the
policy
that
goes
into
the
technical
part
of
the
production,
which
I
think
is
what
we're
tackling
and
build.
I
think
what
andy
and
connect
is
not
not
as
much
those
not
not
the
policies
that
tie
into
the
production,
but
the
policies
that
the
city
have.
A
I
mean,
first
of
all,
to
make
sure
that
the
policies
reconcile
with
what
the
needs
are
like,
like
you
know,
unit
size
and
making
sure
they're
reaching
the
right
people
and
then
looking
at,
like
you
know,
like
our
last
conversation
about
that
we
have
we
have
rebate
and
fee
and
we
have
policies
that
don't
encourage
production
and,
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
the
reconciliation
of
like
how
we
make
sure
we
balance
that
because
yeah
there's
different
you're
right,
there's
different
policy,
there's
zoning
policy
development
policy
and
then
there's
the
overarching
policy
which
can
encourage
more
of
that
or
could
encourage
some
of
that
production
to
pull
towards
affordable.
G
Yeah,
so
I
am
going
to
jump
in
because,
even
though
I
said
I
wouldn't
add
a
little
clarity,
I
mean
in
my
time
on
this
committee.
Like
we'll,
take
fee
rebate,
we've
been
talking
about
fee
rebate
for
the
entire
four
years
that
I've
been
on
this
committee
and
it's
moved
back
and
forth
from
a
very
unrestricted
program,
a
program
that
was
tied
almost
exclusively
to
the
the
market
price
of
the
housing
unit
to
a
program
that
became
very
restrictive
with
all
of
these
other
layers
and
now
we're
talking
about
toggling
it
back.
G
That's
you
know
the
the
policy
piece
that
I'm
saying
is.
We
need
an
overall
focus
on
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
by
the
programs
that
we
put
in
place
right
so
several
years
ago
we
built
permanent
affordability
or
long-term
affordability
into
a
lot
of
our
incentive
programs.
That
was
a
policy
choice.
G
Capital
p
policy,
that
long-term
affordability
is
the
thing
that
we
need
right,
that
we
wanted
to
hang
on
to
the
subsidy
that
we
put
into
units
for
as
long
as
we
possibly
could
and
that,
to
some
degree
led
to
the
decline
in
the
actual
number
of
development
opportunities
that
were
happening
in
the
city.
We
basically
put
the
brakes
on
at
the
time
we
should
have
been
putting
you
know
it
should
have
been
stepping
on
the
gas
pedal.
It
was
all
extremely
well
intentioned.
G
But
so
that's
what
I
when
I
say,
policy,
I'm
thinking
what
is
our
overarching
strategy
that
we
can
hang
on
to
for
long
enough
that
we
actually
see
some
of
it
come
to
fruition
right,
because
we've
kind
of
tacked
back
and
forth
even
this
morning
when
we,
you
know
that
little
bit
that
vadilla
jumped
on
talked
about
the
flag
lot
thing.
There
was
the
comment
that
he
made
about
well
that
that
really
doesn't
work.
You
know
that
breaks
up
the
you
know
the
flow
of
the
streetscape.
G
Okay,
that's
great
like
are
we
concerned
about
the
flow
of
the
streetscape
or
are
we
turn
concerned
about?
Do
people
have
a
place
to
live
and
we
haven't?
You
know
we've.
Let
ourselves
get
shifted
off
our
line
for
things
like
that,
and
there
needs
to
be.
You
know
there
needs
to
be
a
clear
sense
of
this
is
the
direction
this
is
what's
most
important
and
we're
not
going
to
let
anything
shove
us
off
of
you
know:
people
need
a
place
to
sleep
at
night.
O
H
Yeah,
I
I
agree
a
lot
with
andy
and
I
I
wanted
to
raise
my
hand
now,
because
I
do
I
have
to
leave
in
five
minutes.
Unfortunately,
you
know
second
month
on
this
committee
used
to
follow
a
lot
of
a
hack
back
when
I
was
working
with
the
land
trusts
and
we
were
starting
our
business
planning.
H
So
I
have
seen
some
of
the
swing
and
I
guess
you
know
I
kind
of
am
excited
that
there's,
maybe
an
opportunity
to
you
know
meet
with
hcd
to
look
at
what
the
committee
is
going
to
do.
H
I
mean
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
the
new
process,
but
you
know
I'm
also
hopeful
that
you
know
these
committees
can
improve
and
that
we
can,
you
know,
have
really
more
direct
input
from
the
community,
because
I
think
part
of
the
reason
this
happens
right
is
you've
got
a
lot
of
people
really
interested
in
this
issue,
and
you
got
a
lot
of
knowledge
on
this
issue,
but
not
a
lot
of
community
members.
You
know
not
a
lot
of
people
who
are
in
gonna
end
up
changing.
H
What's
gonna
drive
it
like
you
can
come
up
with
these.
You
know
these
solutions
and
things,
but
if
the
community
is
not
convinced
and
on
board
you're
going
to
see
things
swing
back
the
other
way
and
I
think
the
fee
rebate
example
andy's
using
you
know.
Well,
we
need
to
you
know,
because
the
housing
you
know
I
work
in
homelessness,
which
is
just
there's
it's
tangential
to
affordable
housing
and
there's
a
lot
of
overlap.
H
But
this
is
a
it's
a
different
issue
like
in
the
in
the
what
you're
gonna
the
tools
you're
gonna
use
to
address.
That
issue
are
not
gonna,
be
the
same
for
keeping
teachers
and
police
officers
and
people
who've
grown
up
here
in
asheville
in
asheville
I
mean
the
policies.
The
choices
are
are
not
always
the
same,
and
they
you
know,
I'm
looking
you
know.
I
do
agree
that
building
and
there's
some
things
that
will
just
help
like
they'll
help
certain
things
in
the
short
run.
H
The
incentive
programs
are
a
good
idea,
and
then
I
you
know
it's
not
going
to
trickle
down,
but
it
will
actually,
you
know,
make
a
long-term
impact
to
increase
our
stock.
Here.
There's
no
question,
but
I'm
excited
to
to
see
what
happens.
I
do
think
like
making
a
work
plan
you
know
and
and
and
making
motions
and
things
and
studying
things
it's
fine,
but
we
kind
of
need
to
see.
H
What's
going
to
happen
because
it's
it's
a
lot
of
time
and
work
for
a
lot
of
busy
people
and
let's
I
would
want
to
wait
and
see
what
comes
you
know
comes
out
of
this
process.
Maybe
nothing
well,
but
if
they're
looking
to
move
pretty
quickly-
and
you
know
by
the
summer,
this
is
combined
with
hayek
and
some
other
committee.
H
D
D
The
four
percent
has
much
more
flexibility
with
developers
and
the
city
could
use.
I
believe
they
can
use
the
arpa
funds
to
help
fill
those
gaps.
So
when
you're
doing
150
to
200
apartments
affordable,
you
can
fill
the
gap
much
quicker
than
25
or
30
or
even
45..
D
D
A
lot
of
the
developers
that
I
talk
to
every
day
are
going
to
the
county
they're
not
coming
into
the
city,
and
I
think
asheville
has
a
dubious
reputation
at
the
moment
about
what
they're
willing
to
do
or
not
do,
and
regulations
and
policies
that
restrict
developers.
D
So
I'm
hoping
that
with
new
direction,
whatever
comes
out
of
these
new
groups
and
coordination
with
hcd
or
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
if
you
think
about
the
comprehensive
plan
and
tunnel
road
and
patton
avenue
and
all
those
things
we
need
to
get
that
marketed
out
in
the
in
the
city,
for
everyone
to
see
that
we're
willing
and
we're
gonna
make
this
happen.
D
And
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
is
missing
right
now
and
no
matter
how
much
planning
we
want
to
do
until
we
get
direction
from
city
council
as
to
what
they
plan
to
do
with
our
group
that
I
think,
is
going
to
determine
how
much
emphasis
we
we
have
great
ideas
that
we
can
do
so,
but
the
way
to
get
more
production,
a
larger
number
of
apartments,
the
fastest
is
working
with
developers
that
we're
willing
to
do
either.
Four
percent
or
nine
percent
tax
credit
projects.
E
Chris
yeah
so
I'll,
just
echo
off
a
couple
of
things:
margie
made
reference
to
people
she's
talking
to
going
into
the
county.
I've
seen
a
huge
uptick
in
people
going
further
henderson
county
haywood,
county
transylvania
and
the
surrounding
counties.
The
the
amount
of
people
that
are
coming
to
to
our
office
talking
about
multi-family
and
residential
projects
in
these
surrounding
areas
is
it's
more
than
I've
seen
and
it's
it's
it's
significantly
more
than
I've.
Seen
in
the
last
16
years
that
I've
been
working
in
this
market.
E
I
also
echo
what
brandy
said:
I've
been
well
I'll
step
back
for
a
second.
This
meeting
feels
a
little
different
than
ones
we've
been
having
we're
talking
more
about.
E
E
How
do
we
quit
having
the
same
conversation
and-
and
I
really
appreciate
that
and
and
I'm
an
eternal
optimist
in
in
all
aspects
of
life,
and
so
I've
got
these
high
hopes
that
this
hcd
connection
will
help
us,
take
these
conversations
and
lead
them
towards
true
policy
changes
that
are
more
reflective
of
what
you
bury.
What
you've
made
reference
in
the
past?
How
there
seemed
to
be
when
we
were
all
in
person.
These
meetings
were
in
person.
There
was
a
networking
aspect.
E
There
was
a
more
connection
to
where
things
moved,
like
these
conversations
led
to
a
next
step
as
opposed.
You
know
that.
I
E
E
I
mean
it
just
it
completely
removes
that
it
it's
so
much
easier
for
those
next
steps
forward
to
occur
in
this
scenario
that
you
you
described
earlier,
so
I'm
I'm
hopeful
that
that
as
we
move
forward
and
this
this
hcd,
we
can
have
some
of
these
conversations
with,
with
a
with
a
a
an
hcd
meeting
with
ourselves,
to
talk
about
how
to
create
those
those
connections
and
and
move
things
forward,
as
if
we
even
get
out
of
the
now.
B
I
Yeah,
I
mean
not
just
echo
something
that
brandy
kind
of
started
this
off
with,
which
is,
I
think
we
just
need
to
move
these
things
to
constructive,
action-oriented
conversations
versus
kind
of
we're,
bringing
up
a
lot
of
anecdotes
and
we're
kind
of
drifting
around
here.
If
we
want
to
talk
about
strategy
and
policies
that
the
city
has,
then
we
should
have
a
structured
discussion
and
time
frame
around
it,
because
I
just
feel
like
we're.
You
know
one
of
the.
I
So
I'm
going
to
be
all
in
favor
of
us
going
through
and
looking
going
through,
all
the
policies
systematically
and
making
a
set
of
recommendations,
but
I
think
what
I
don't
want
to
see
us
do
is
just
sort
of
say:
let's
work
on
something
that
gets
thrown
over
the
wall
and
I
think
down
payment
assistance
is
one
of
the
best
examples
this
committee
worked
on
when
I
first
joined.
A
Yeah,
it's
been,
I
mean,
like
I
said,
I
shared
how
it
how
it
all
used
to
work,
especially
when
we
were
in
person
and
when
you
know
I
mean
honestly,
we
our
direction
always
started
from
having
council
direction.
Council
would
set
their
annual
priorities
and
they
would
be
very
specific,
not
just
you
know,
with
affordable
housing.
The
you
know
I
mean
I've
shared.
This
council's
priority
is
not
housing
and
that's
why
we're
floundering
and
that's
why
our
messaging
doesn't
get
much
traction
because
it
wasn't.
A
I
mean
I
don't
even
think
was
on
their
priority
list
that
actually,
I
don't
think
housing
was
actually
on
their
actual
party
list.
It
was
made
up
for
last
year.
It
was
like,
oh
of
course
it
is.
I
mean,
of
course,
yeah.
We
always
care
about
that,
but
I
don't
think
there's
any
of
the
details
and,
and
it's
just
it's
just
a
difference.
You
know
that
was
it
was
in
the
beginning.
It
was
in
the
early
days.
It
was
really
different.
A
There
was,
it
was
a
lot
of
unified
act,
unified
interest
on
city
council
of
how
to
make
affordable
housing
move.
So
and
you
know-
and
here
we
are
yeah
in
an
election
year,
so
so
we'll
see
we'll
see
how
this
all
changes,
but
yeah
it's
been
yeah,
it's
it's
yeah!
Certainly
it's
been
the
past.
A
Two
three
years
have
been
some
of
the
most
frustrating,
because
no
matter
what
we
do,
there's
never
you
know
it's
like
there's,
never
a
next
step
for
what
happens
with
what
we
do,
because
there's
not
traction
from
it
and
then
we're
not.
We
don't
have
really
clear
direction
of
what
they
want
the
focus
to
be
so
we
don't
have
things
to
move,
to,
encourage
that
so
yeah
there's
no
question.
It's
been,
it's
been
challenging
so
but
yeah
I
mean
certainly
appreciate
the
conversation.
Then
we'll
see
where
kind
of
this.
A
This
all
goes
and
I
think
we've
got
what
15
15
minutes
left.
I'm
just
thinking
on
some
of
our
future.
I'm
just
looking
through
informal
discussion.
Future
agenda
ricky.
I
think
I've
got
so.
You
raised
your
hand.
S
Hey
barry,
I
didn't
know
if
y'all
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
mobile
homes
last
or.
A
A
A
You
know
this
cd
cbd,
repair
funds
right
andy
for
and
that's
you
know
one
part
of
the
conversation
we
wanted
to
understand
at
least
to
understand
what
is
what
is
the
policy
change
that
would
be
needed
to
allow
repair
funds
to
be
used
for
manufactured
homes,
and
then
you
know
I
my
what
I
was
shared
with
is
that
in
april
I
think
we'll
have
a
deeper
conversation
on
manufacturing
homes
or
anything
input.
You
know
you
can
share
on
that.
Ricky.
S
Yeah
we've
had
a
little
bit
of
the
internal
discussion
since
that
time
about
you
know
what
the
age
of
homes
potentially
like
yeah
single
wides,
you
know
they're
they're,
narrow,
they're,
shallow
and
long.
We
have
topography
so
we've
just
talked
about
like
individually.
They
may
not
be
suitable
on
a
lot
of
our
lots,
they're
sloping,
but
I
don't
think
they're
a
bad
housing
option.
There
may
be
areas
further
out
in
our
kind
of
a
you
know:
the
more
rural
portions
of
the
city.
S
You
know
we
have
some
areas
in
western
part
of
the
city
towards
sandhill
they're
a
little
bit
flatter.
The
western
side
of
the
valley
seems
to
lay
flatter
when
you
look
at
the
county
and
then
also
existing
mobile
home
parks
that
are
not
currently
zoned
in
a
mobile
home
community
overlay
district
and
the
issues
under
our
non-conforming
section.
S
That
basically
say
if
you
have
a
mobile
home
park,
that
even
if
it
has
a
mobile
home
community
overlay
zoning
applied,
but
the
parks
non-conforming
for
our
standards,
the
design,
the
layout,
the
setbacks,
whatever
a
space,
an
individual
space
stays
vacant
for
180
days,
they
lose
the
space.
So
you
can
have
a
25
unit
mobile
home
park
and
have
too
vacant
it's
not
the
part.
That's
non-conforming,
it's
the
individual
space,
so
we're
losing
opportunity
for
housing
stock
one
at
a
time.
It's
a
very
gradual
erosion
and
I'm
actually
dealing
with
one
right
now.
S
That
is
a
person
that's
working
with
a
lot
of
groups
trying
to
re-house
veterans
and
he's
got
two
or
three
spots
that
are
available.
I
can't
issue
the
permit
they've
been
vacant,
but
we
know
that
housing
is
critical
for
persons
that
are
experiencing
homelessness.
S
Regardless
of
you
know
your
personal
opinions
about
that
type
of
housing,
getting
somebody
off
the
street
out
from
under
the
the
bridge
or
the
woods
is
the
key
most
important
thing
to
getting
them.
Assistance
getting
stability,
so
I
I
you
know
now
this.
We
just
kind
of
come
aware
of
this
like
last
summer
that
we
really
hold
on
this
crisis
that
we're
exacerbating
this
un
meaning
unknowingly
and
not
really
directed
it's
just
a
legacy
of
probably
25
years
of
a
udo.
S
That's
really
past
his
prom,
and
I
know
that
chris
day
and
you
you
deal
with
everyday
and
you
too,
barry.
I
think,
that's
something
a
thing
and
and
barry
and
chris
we've
also
talked
to
margie
I'll,
just
say
that
I
as
far
as
like
this
group,
I
would
like
to
see
like
an
isotherm,
it's
kind
of
a
weird
term,
but
you
know
how
they
show
the
weather
the
32
degree
line
and
where
that
moves
up
and
down
each
day
and
night,
I'd
be
curious
to
find
out
where
that
line
of
affordable.
S
S
Is
it
marion
or
is
that
somewhere
in
leicester,
I
don't
know,
but
clearly
barry
you've
keyed
on
something
that,
if
there's
five
houses
in
the
asheville
sea
limits
of
under
375?
That's
a
problem,
and
you
know
it's
like
you,
said:
the
the
county's
attacking
housing,
affordability,
I'm
not
sure
where
the
two
groups
are
going
to
intersect.
S
A
This
is
interesting
that
you
know
I
think
it
was
in
2021
of
sales
less
than
275
in
the
county
20.
I
think
it
was
like.
I
don't
remember
the
number
I
think
it
was
like
23
or
25
percent
of
them
were
manufactured
homes,
and
so
where
us
is-
and
you
know
this
is
one
of
those
examples
of
this
policy
production.
A
A
Maybe
we
should
explore
allowing
manufactured
homes
and
have
the
data
to
back
it
up
and
and
that's
where
you
know
yeah,
I
guess
that
that's
where
some,
how
I
see
that's
where
our
committee
comes
in,
is
like
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
these
innovative
creative
ways
that
we
could
and
then
how
do
we
move
it
through
the
chain?
Because
we
have
experience
with
that.
But
yes,.
D
E
Well,
I
would
piggyback
on
that
question
margie.
I
think,
there's
multiple
ways
I
I
feel
like
barry,
you
had
experience
with
helping
get
the
cottage
development
rules
in
the
udo
changed
and
that
seemed
to
go
pretty
smoothly,
but
to
counteract
that
the
open
space
changes
to
the
udo
have
been
a
mess
and
very
long
drawn
out
process.
A
A
The
honest
easiest
easiest
way
to
change
the
udo
is
by
the
citizens
who
file
a
citizen,
suggested
wording.
Amendment,
and
I
said
I
think
it's
only
been
done
two
or
three
times
I
did
it
with
the
cottage
ordinance
to
change
the
slope
percentages
and
it
was
used
for
a
cat
cafe
downtown.
I
don't
know
how
many
other
times
it's
been
used,
but
that
is
you
know,
public
speaking,
the
best
possible
way
to
change
the
udo
is
to
you
to
do
it
yourself.
You
just
suggested
you
to
write
what
the
change
should
be.
A
You
pay
the
500
and
it
moves
to
the
top
of
the
stack,
because
we've
been
talking
about
wanting
to
change
the
discussions
about
that
for
years
and
with
the
staff.
The
way
you
know,
staff
suggests
you
know
just
the
way.
How
understaffed
everyone
is.
It's
it's
it's.
You
know
that's
going
to
be
a
year
off
conversation.
That's
or
more
sasha.
K
Thanks
and
I
think
maybe
ricky-
and
I
can
talk
about
this-
I
think
the
non-conforming
piece
might
be
the
easy
fix
and
that
that's
a
shorter
timeline,
and
maybe
we
just
need
to
like
squeeze
that
in
our
work
plan.
We
could
talk
about
that.
I
think
the
other
thing
when
you
all
were
talking
about
changing
zoning
in
general,
allowing
manufactured
housing
in
more
districts.
K
Obviously
that
becomes
more
complicated
and
one
question
I
had
for
you
all
where
you
you
have
expertise
is
just
from
a
market
point
of
view,
I'm
not
sure
like.
If
I
have
a
lot,
I
guess,
how
likely
is
it
that
people
are
gonna?
Do
that
right?
Is
it
gonna
be
like
if
I
have
extra
land?
On
my
you
know
my
lot
and
I
have
my
somebody.
M
K
Family
right
versus
selling
it
if
I
can
sell
it
for
a
lot
more
for
a
single
family
home
versus
a
mobile
home,
and
is
there
a
strategic
way
to
think
about
it?
So
I
think
you
know
those
are
some
of
the
questions
like
if
we
were
gonna.
Look
at
that's
a
longer
process,
so
I
I
agree
with
you
on
the
non-conforming
thing.
I
think
we
we
should
work
on
speeding
that
up,
but
this
other
bigger
bag
of
things.
C
A
A
A
One
thing,
maybe
I'd
ask
for
us
to
consider
throughout
the
month
is:
if
we
want
to
look
at
this
as
an
affordable
housing,
only
policy
if
we
say
because
there
might
be
more
appetite
for
making
that
happen.
If
we
say
if
a
lot
is
well,
if
someone's
willing
to
restrict
their
lot
for
affordable
uses,
then
we
would
allow
a
manufacturing
overlay
to
happen
on
it.
A
You
know,
because
I
thought
like
that
might
be
a
way
that
might
be
a
way
to
even
do
you
know
to
bring
the
camera
to
make
the
conversation
more
palatable
or
even
to
do
it
as
a
citizen
suggested
wording
amendment.
You
know
that
if,
if,
if
you
can
change
just
a
few
words
in
something,
you
know,
if
you
could
take
the
manufacture,
overlay
and
just
say,
hey
we're
going
to
make
a
citizens
change
that
if
it's,
if
it
meets
affordable
standards,
you
can
have
a
mini
mini.
A
You
know
manufactured
overlay
that
might
it
might
be
a
way
to
tweak
it
without
having
to
rewrite
the
world.
So
I
think
that's
what
I
would
just
ask
you
know,
maybe
us
to
think
about.
If,
if
it's
something
we
want
to
explore
the
bigger
discussion
on,
if
we
want
to
tie
this
discussion
specifically
towards
our
committee,
which
means
as
a
use
for
affordable
housing,
so
someone
could
use
it
if
it's
going
to
be
restricted
by
a
certain
price
point
with
a
due
destruction.
A
A
We've
got
to
wrap
up,
but
we
really
wanted
to
understand
what
the
change
that
would
be
needed
to
allow
cdbg
repair
funds
to
be
worked
on
manufactured
homes,
because
currently
my
understanding
is
the
definition
is
it
can
only
be
used
on
permanent
homes,
and
is
it-
and
so
I
I'd
ask-
I
don't
know
if
we
know
that.
G
Right
so
I
have
that
pulled
up
if
you
wanna,
if,
if
I
can
have
just
a
minute
to
speak
to
it,
I
know
we're
at
the
end
of
our
time,
but
so
the
cdb
cdbg
regulations
do
allow
cdbg
to
be
applied
in
all
its
different
uses
on
manufactured
homes.
As
long
as
they're
considered
a
part
of
the
local
permanent
housing
stock.
Our
individual
city
of
asheville
cdbg
manual
that
was
updated
as
recently
as
2021
continues
to
say
that
manufactured
housings
are
are
not
eligible
unless
they're
on
a
permanent
foundation.
G
So
we
just
need
to
make
that
change,
and
that
document
again
later
in
the
document,
says
that
it
can
be
changed
by
the
authority
of
the
director
of
the
community
and
economic
development
department.
As
long
as
the
change
is
consistent
with
what's
allowed
by
hud,
so
clearly
cdbg
cities
all
over
the
country
are
using
cdbg
even
for
replacing
pre-hud
code
mobile
homes
with
newer
models,
it's
clearly
an
allowable
use
under
cdbg.
G
We
just
need
to
make
that
change,
and
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
get
that
done
as
the
hdd
is
reviewing
the
upcoming
rounds
of
cdbg
funding,
so
that
organizations
that
operate
those
kinds
of
repair
programs
are
able
to
finally
be
able
to
serve
the
15
or
so
percent
of
our
community.
That
that
calls
manufacturer
housing
home.
A
G
B
No
do
broke,
we'll
call
vote,
scott
hi,
margie.
D
A
D
J
D
D
L
M
Okay,
thank
you
hi.
This
is
greg
warren
children.
First
museum
schools
appreciate
the
discussion
today.
M
I
just
wanted
to
lift
up
one
one
thing
that
I
think
is
underlying
a
lot
of
the
concern
about
where
the
committee
goes
and
that's
just
the
resourcing
that
is,
has
been
shrinking
over
the
years
from
all
of
our
federal
housing
programs
in
terms
of
helping
us
build
the
capacity
and
have
the
resources
at
the
local
level,
and
I
think
one
thing
that
this
committee
might
want
to
consider
doing
is,
with
the
with
congress
now
considering
its
contin
fiscal
2022
plans
and
even
modified
buildback
better,
they
all
have
pretty
amazing
opportunities
if
they
get
get
moved
on
to
expand.
M
You
know
rental
vouchers,
additional
funding
for
li-tech
projects,
additional
funding
for
rehab
renovation,
all
the
things
that
we
struggle
with
as
a
city
and
county
level,
because
we
just
don't
have
the
funds
and
resources
we
need
to
get
that
federal
path
flowing
and
reinvesting
back
in
our
communities
and
maybe
there's
a
chance
or
an
opportunity
for
both
a
hacks,
maybe
as
a
committee,
even
contact
our
congressional
delegation
on
these
priorities
or
even
recommend
that
the
city
council
as
a
body
take
a
stand
and
contact
congress
because
we
we
need
those
resources.
M
That's
a
that's
a
critical
issue
to
solving
this
and
we
we
know
we
don't
have
enough.
You
know
monies
at
the
local
level
to
do
all
the
great
things
we
want
to
do.
Thank
you
so
much
and
appreciate
your
conversation.
A
Thanks
greg,
I
think
the
only
one
question
I
wouldn't
I
do
want
to
ask
from
nikki
if
she's
still
there,
just
the
update
on
the
vacant
positions
where
we
are
with
those
coming
online,
I
see
the
ones
not
average.
The
one
that
was
existing
is
not
advertised
anymore.
I
was
just
saying
where
we
are
with
that
and
then
what's
up
with
the
two
new
positions
with
the
word:
affordable
housing
in
them.
P
Absolutely,
and
so
yes,
the
community
development
division
manager
posting
has
now
closed,
and
that
means
we
then
move
into
the
interview
phase.
So
I'm
really
excited
about
that.
We've
got
dates
set
on
our
calendar
for
this
month
and
so
we'll
be
conducting
those
interviews
and
I'm
very
hopeful
that
we
can
have
that
position
come
online
very
soon.
P
So,
realistically,
I'm
thinking
april
time
frame
is
what's
realistic
in
terms
of
going
through
the
process
and
actually
having
someone
onboarded,
I'm
this
close
to
getting
those
postings
approved
by
hr,
both
the
affordable
housing
officer
and
the
affordable
housing
specialist.
My
intent
is
to
advertise
those
together
and
hopefully
we
can
look
at
a
team
and
just
see
how
things
align
there
and
getting
both
of
those
positions.
P
I
expect
that
we'll
allow
that
to
post
for
a
good,
solid
month
here
and
then
start
doing
interviews,
perhaps
in
april,
so
I'm
really
excited
about
the
future
of
that.
Just
some
other
staffing.
We,
as
you
all,
may
know
as
part
of
the
home
arp
allocation,
4.7
million
dollars
was
allocated
to
the
home
consortium
area,
so
buncombe
madison,
henderson
transylvania,
to
support
and
address
homelessness
in
our
community,
and
so
we
created
a
position
to
support
that
work.
It's
the
home
art
program
manager
and
that
is
actually
an
internal
shift.
P
P
So
yeah,
certainly
wanting
to
make
some
bold
strides
there
and
be
fully
staffed,
hopefully
by
the
by
the
end
of
the
the
fiscal
year,
is
my
is
my
target.
A
Okay,
cool
before
we
close
I'll
just
share,
there's
two
two
things
that
will
probably
come
out
in
the
news,
so
just
wanted
to
make
sure
our
committee
was
aware
of
them
if
they
want
to
do
any
back.
Research
on
the
319
biltmore
project
has
my
understanding
is
a
new
letter
of
intent.
They've
changed
it's
not
observant
anymore.
I've
heard
they've
backed
out,
and
it's
now
a
letter
of
intense
been
signed
with
the
second,
the
runner-up
proposal.
A
So
it's
gonna
be
on
the
news.
I
don't
know
if
all
what
you,
if
y'all
heard
something
about
it,
but
that
just
just
want
to
keep
you
in
the
loop,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
big
conversation,
it
kind
of
happened
very
fast
and.
P
Some
information,
so
certainly
this
is
one
of
our
pro
bond
projects
and
we're
very
committed
to
seeing
an
affordable
mixed
use
project
there
at
319.
and
the
city's
process.
For
that,
like
you,
said,
barry
we
were
working
with
the
top
ranked
developer
homes
urban
throughout
that
selection.
But
yes,
at
this
point,
homes
urban
has
decided
to
withdraw,
and
so
we
have
terminated
our
relationship
with
homes,
urban,
but
through
our
process.
P
That
means
that
we
then
approach
our
second
top-ranked
firm,
which
is
laurel
street
residential
and
begin
negotiations
with
that
firm
to
hopefully
achieve
a
developer
agreement.
So
our
intention
is
to
work
with
laurel
street
we'd
love
to
see
a
project
or
a
developer
agreement
rather
come
before
council
in
the
summer,
so
that
would
come
through
hcd
and
then
come
before
council
this
summer,
but
again
because
this
is
a
bond
site,
a
bond
project.
We're
certainly
hoping
to
prioritize
this
and
see
a
successful
development
at
that
site.
Move
forward.
A
Thanks
for
that
update,
and
then
I
think,
there's
a
is
there
a
luigi
application
for
the
the
80.
The
those
micro
units
is
that
is
that
in
place.
P
That
application
has
been
received,
and,
yes,
I
met
with
them
yesterday,
actually
so
we're
looking
at
doing
the
staff
review
of
that
luigi
ask
and
then
having
that
come
through
the
process.
Thinking
about
the
april
time
frame
for
that
to
be
under
review
through
hcd,
okay.
P
P
I
want
to
highlight
the
haywood
street
community
development
project
that
was
approved
by
council
on
tuesday
night,
so
haywood
street
is
a
non-profit
newly
created
looking
to
provide
permanent,
affordable
housing
in
our
area
and
so
we're
glad
to
kind
of
bring
them
into
the
fold
of
the
participants
in
the
affordable
housing,
and
this
is
a
non-profit,
a
permanent,
affordable
project.
45
units
there
on
west
haywood
street
the
city's
commitment
there,
totaled
2.5
by
the
time
we
invest
through
land
housing
trust
fund,
as
well
as
an
initial
grant
for
some
of
the
due
diligence
costs.
P
Our
total
ask
was
2.5
dogwood
and
the
county
are
also
joining
in
that
funding
for
that
project.
So
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
so
they
do
have
single
bedroom
two
and
three
bedrooms
there
and
then
doing
a
mixed
income
with
with
80
60
and
30
ami
units
available,
and
so
we're
excited
about
that.
I
think
their
closing
date
is
sometime
in
april.
So
we
are.
We
are
hard
at
work
on
getting
those
agreements
in
place,
those
deed
restrictions,
those
deed
of
trust
instruments
to
really
govern
that
for
permanent
affordability,.