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A
D
Sorry:
sharon
urban
forestry,
commission,
technical
review
review
committee
person.
G
A
Let
him
introduce
himself
in
a
second
when
he
gets
settled
in
roy,
how
about
dawn.
I
Hi,
I'm
karen
deyoung
and
I'm
learning
how
to
use
a
computer.
I
am
a
member
of
the
urban
forestry
commissions
good
to
be
here
with
you
today.
K
A
P
Good
afternoon,
this
is
chris
day
with
civil
design
concepts,
we're
the
civil
engineer
for
the
project
here
at
foundation
and
for
the
one
that's
before
you
today,
as
well
as
the
history
of
the
redevelopment
we've
done
down
there
in
preservation
so
appreciate
time
here
before
you.
A
Q
E
E
A
You
and
gina
go
ahead,
we're
going
to
introduce
you
more
later.
If
you
want
to
just
say
hi.
R
A
H
Yes,
hi
sorry,
keep
freezing
in
and
out
with
this.
D
A
All
right,
thank
you.
I
think.
That's
everybody!
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
today.
So
next
we
have
approval
of
minutes.
We
didn't
have
the
minutes
ready
from
the
last
meeting
last
time,
so
we
have
several
to
go
through
here,
so
we
have.
Can
we
do
them
all
together?
Unless
there's
any
objection
we
have
january
february
and
march,
we
had
no
meeting
in
april,
so
just
need
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
these
minutes.
B
A
B
A
L
F
E
G
E
I
A
Dawn
and
I
vote-
I
thank
you
very
much
so
next
we
have
alternative
compliance.
We
have
two
separate
cases
but
they're
in
the
same
development
area.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
have
city
staff
present
the
staff
report,
then
the
folks
here
from
the
site
will
talk
about
their
request
and
then
we
will
vote
on
them
separately,
but
we
can
do
the
discussion
altogether.
So
I
think
jennifer
has
the.
In
first
information
we
have
a
powerpoint,
I
believe,
go.
M
Okay,
hi
I'm
jennifer
blevins,
and
these
projects
are
down
at
foundation
studios
on
the
access
drive
known
as
foundee
street.
M
Most
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
development
by
participating
in
the
request
for
the
other
buildings
that
have
been
brought
online
in
the
over
the
course
of
the
last
three
or
four
years
now.
I
guess
they've
been
working
on
that
project.
If
you
haven't,
if
you
were
not
a
part
of
the
commission,
you
probably
are
familiar
with
it
just
from
driving
by
or
visiting
the
businesses
that
have
opened
there.
M
So
we
have
number
11
and
number
36
foundy
street
today
and
they
are
as
before.
They
are
requesting
a
reduction
in
the
size
of
the
plant
materials
in
some
of
the
numbers
of
the
plant
materials
required
and
in
lieu
of
shrubs.
In
some
cases
they
are
planting
native,
shrub-like,
grasses
and
perennials.
M
M
Parking
lot,
landscaping,
they're
required
to
have
one
large
maturing
tree
and
four
shrubs
building
impact,
one
tree
and
two
shrubs,
and
so
the
total
requirement
two
trees,
one
of
those
being
a
large
maturing
tree
and
six
shrubs.
And
what
they're
proposing
in
lieu
of
that
is.
They
are
providing
those
two
trees,
but
they
are
requesting
to
install
them
at
smaller
sizes
than
our
typical
standard,
they're,
also
providing
six
shrubs
and
then
adding
a
hundred
native
shrub-like,
grasses
and
perennials,
and
at
36
foundy
street
much
larger
building
larger
area
and
parking
lot.
M
So
we've
evaluated
this
request
and
we
concur
that
the
the
industrial
nature
of
the
site,
limited
soil
and
compacted
soil,
might
inhibit
growth
and
make
it
difficult
for
the
required
plant
materials
to
survive.
M
Planting
at
the
smaller
sizes
seems
to
encourage
them
to
settle
in
better
and
the
the
redevelopment
of
the
overall
site
is
almost
complete,
and
these
requests
today
are
consistent
with
what
you
have
approved
for
the
other
buildings
at
the
site
that
have
been
coming
online
over
the
past
few
years.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
and,
as
you
met
earlier,
matt
sprouse
is
here
with
site,
work
studios
and
can
answer
any
specific
questions
you
might
have
about
the
plant
materials.
P
It's
really
been
a
lot
of
hard
work
over
these
years
to
to
take
this
industrial,
urban
setting
and-
and
you
know,
rejuvenate
it
and
and
turn
it
into
this
unique
location
that
that
we
have
out
there
and
and
the
the
efforts
of
of
the
city
in
terms
of
working
with
these
these
buildings
and
how
to
preserve
and
and
create
the
the
setting
that
we
have
out
there.
P
It's
we
couldn't
have
done
it
without
the
city,
so
I
appreciate
that
and
in
in
turn
also
with
this
commission
in
the
past,
as
matt
came
on
board
to
kind
of
say,
you
know
hey.
This
is
this
is
not
your
typical
unit?
You
know
udl
setting
that
that
outlines
the
landscaping
plan,
and
this
is
really
an
industrial
and
urban
setting,
and
we
need
to
create
a
plant,
material
and
and
type
of
palette
to
that,
that's
more
reflective
of
that
we've
been
excited
to
see
how
that's
come
on
board.
These
are.
These.
P
Are
the
last
two
existing
buildings
being
renovated
out
there,
so
this
this
request
would
would
be,
would
kind
of
complete
the
existing
structures
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
matt,
to
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
that
vision
and
the
material
that
he
does
so
well.
Q
Sure,
thanks
chris
thanks
everybody
for
having
us
I
this
is.
This
is
a
great
sort
of
closure
to
to
this
project
in
a
way
because
we've
we
started
this
experiment
about
three
years
ago,
three
or
four
years
ago,
with
the
first
building,
which
is
the
wedge
of
foundation
and
twelve
bones,
and,
like
chris
said,
we
we
presented.
Q
You
know
this
landscape.
This
existing
situation
is
very
different
than
a
lot
of
places
in
town.
It's
certainly
not
suburban,
like
what
our
landscape
ordinance
is
sort
of
written.
For
so
can
we
go
forward
with
a
with
a
palette
and
a
method.
That's
a
little
bit
different
and
maybe
a
little
bit
more
sustainable
and
presented.
Q
Some
precedent
images
up
there
that
that
we
shared
with
the
client
and
then
shared
with
the
previous
tree
commission
when
we
started
this
about
how
we
could
introduce
in
a
more
urban
setting
a
lot
more
pollinators,
a
lot
more
ground
cover
diversity
and
and
try
to
kind
of
create
some
some
ecological
vibrancy
in
this,
as
opposed
to
just
you
know,
getting
our
tree
counts
in
and
our
shrub
counts
in
and
having
a
dead
ground
layer.
So
we
kind
of
flipped
it
on
its
on
its
side
and
said.
Q
You've
seen
how
successful
really
excited
how
successful
this
has
been
and
we've
been
excited
to
see
how
this
has
progressed
through
the
site.
In
our
request,
like
jennifer
mentioned,
we
really
have
two
requests
here
for
alternative
compliance.
One
is
that
we
want
to
reduce
slightly
the
tree
caliper
size,
that's
going
in,
and
that's
because
we
found
that
these
trees
are
responding
better
going
into
the
slightly
smaller
size.
Q
The
root
balls
get
a
better
chance
to
acclimate
and
what
we
found
is
at
the
wedge
since
the
last
when
these
were
planted
three
years
ago,
they
have
responded
and
grown
much
faster
than
we
expected,
and
the
soils
that
are
under
here
these
these
old
industrial
soils
they're
compacted
they're
low
nutrient.
You
know
who
knows
what's
in
them
and
they
also
are
prone
to
flooding.
Q
L
Q
In
this
environment,
this
river
environment,
the
the
shrub
layer,
seems
a
little
bit
contrived
and
we
wanted
to
to
have
a
more
biodiverse
ground
layer.
And
so
that's
why
we're
requesting
the
substitution
of
a
lot
more
grasses
and
grass-like
natives
and
some
perennials
and.
L
Q
Q
In
with
with
that
concept,
I
know
11
is
teeny
tiny,
but
but
it's
still
part
of
the
concept,
and
I
wanted
to
to
introduce
one
more
thing,
one
of
the
things
that
as
we're
going
through
this,
because
this
is
now
zoned
in
the
rad
form
code
building
impact-
is
has
been
taken
out
of
the
landscape
requirement
for
rad
form
code.
However,
those
plants
are
those
plant
numbers,
especially
those
trees.
Q
Numbers
are
in
these
calculations,
we're
still
providing
for
the
building
impact,
because
we
started
this
before
the
rad
form
code
was
adopted,
so
we're
still
introducing
the
same
number
of
trees,
which
now
are
more
trees
than
what
would
be
required
because
building
impact
isn't
required
anymore.
So.
C
Q
Answer
any
questions
field,
any
discussions
on
this
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
Yeah
matt
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
the
tree
size
and
the
shrub
like
perennial
ideas
that
you
have.
It
sounds
like
you're,
you're
sort
of
moving
down
a
size
class
in
both
cases.
So
when
you
say
a
smaller
tree
size
class,
are
we
talking
about
dogwoods
and
red
buds
as
opposed
to
ash
and
maple
and
oak?
Q
Oh
good
question,
so
we're
still
we're
still
proposing
if
it's
a
canopy
tree
requirement
for
a
street
tree
or
for
a
parking
lot
tree,
we're
still
providing
that
overall
class
size.
So
it's
canopy
tree
we're
proposing
canopy
tree
where
the
city
ordinance
requires
a
two
and
a
half
to
three
to
two
and
a
half
to
three
inch.
Caliper
install
we're
proposing
a
one
and
a
half
inch
caliper.
Q
Q
Trees,
yes,
oh
sure,
so
the
palette
that
we've
been
using
out
here,
that
seems
successful.
Sycamore
is
kind
of
our
heavy
hitter
for
our
canopy
trees,
because
we're
even
on
36
foundee
we're
saving
five
existing
sycamores
that
are
on
the
perimeter,
so
we're
kind
of
keeping
to
that
kind
of
river-like
species
mix
we're
also
using
eastern
red
cedar
as
one
of
our
evergreens
and
we're
using
a
fair
amount
of
red
buds.
Part.
Q
Red
buds
is,
as
as
you
may
know,
they
do
fix
nitrogen
in
the
soil,
so
we
are
trying
to
remediate
some
of
the
soil
while
it's
in
there
and
it's
a
great
urban
tree,
they
they
definitely
hold
up
to
to
this
pretty
tough
environment.
I
Yeah,
I
I've
got
nothing
against
redbuds,
that's
for
sure
I
so
so
it
sounds
like
you're
saying
that
you're
simply
going
to
be
planting
in
younger
specimens
of
these
canopy
trees.
In
the
case
when
you're
planting
canopy
trees,
that's
exactly
right,
okay
and
then,
when
we
talk
about
shrub
like
perennials,
would
you
name
some
species
that
you
have
in
mind
absolutely.
O
Q
We've
got
a
nice
mix
that
we've
been
using
out
there
for
a
while
we're
we're
leaning
heavily
on
the
native
grasses,
so
andrew
pogons,
the
budaluas
there's
also
there's.
Q
Out
there
so
some
switchgrass
a
couple
of
different
cultivars
of
that
again
kind
of
that
soil,
remediation,
those
those
initial
pioneers
of
those
plants,
they're
going
to
show
up
out
there
by
themselves
we're
just
kind
of
introducing
them
into
the
mix
early
and
then
on
the
I'm
going
to
say
the
perennials
and
the
shrub
like
perennials.
We
have
some
saladaga
or
goldenrods.
Q
L
Q
L
Q
It's
sort
of
a
mix
of
grasses
grasses
don't
attract
pollinators
as
much
so
we
want
to
add
in
some
of
those
those
really
d
friendly
plants
as
well,
which
is
part
of
the
reason
we
want
to
put
in
something
like
a
hackstash.
I
G
Q
C
I
would
agree
that
smaller
trees
catch
up
pretty
quickly
to
the
larger
sizes,
so
it
almost
makes
sense.
Q
At
the
wedge,
the
sycamores
that
were
put
in
three
years
ago
have
just.
D
So
I've
been
following
this
project
and
I
was
I
have
the
same
concerns
I
had
last
time
with
this
project,
although
I
must
say,
you've
got
a
better
landscape
crew
out
there
doing
your
maintenance,
because
it's
not
nearly
through
the
years.
The
last
couple
years
I've
been
watching
this
as
ratty.
What
I
call
ratty
your
grasses
are
effective
and
I
agree
with
your
grasses.
D
Your
bee
friendly
or
ecological
plants.
They
need
to
be
replanted.
Re-Spotted
in
the
red
buds,
aren't
doing
that
well
and
haven't
done
that.
Well,
they
need
more
maintenance,
they
need
more
water
or
fertilizer,
as
you're
stated
about
the
soil.
So
my
main
complaint
out
there
has
been
that
there's,
not
enough
good
maintenance
going
on
to
sustain
the
look
that
you've
got
on
your
picture
going
here.
If
you
were
to
take
pictures
of
what
it
actually
looks
like
it's
not
looking
as
it,
it
could
look
as
if
how
you
designed
it.
D
Supervision,
I
totally
agree
with
the
caliper
of
the
tree.
I
know,
and
what
I
do
for
a
living.
The
smaller
caliper
will
catch
up
to
a
bigger
caliper
and
especially
in
poor
soil.
I
also
don't
agree
with
how
the
a
lot
of
the
beds
are
being
constructed
for
raised
beds.
You've
got
some
two
by
fours
with
some
rock
out
there.
Some
of
them
are
done
with
concrete,
curbing.
D
I
think
that
the
soil
can
be
prepped
better
for
what
you're
planting,
whether
it's
more
amendment,
more
top
soil,
going
down
to
a
little
deeper
with
more
maintenance.
So
I
think
the
overall
look
and
the
overall
design
is
a
good
idea.
I
just
don't
think
it
looks
like
it
could
look
and-
and
I
thought
you
said
you
were
reducing
the
amount
of
trees-
and
my
notes
are
in
my
so
evidently-
I'm
incorrect
you're
not
reducing
the
amount
of
trees,
just
the
size
of
the
caliper.
Q
D
Right
but
you're,
but
you
fall
underneath
that
form
base
code.
That
was
changed,
so
that's
right
right
so
yeah.
I
I
totally
understand
that.
So
I
think
that's
my
main
complaint,
as
it
was
two
years
ago,
just
needs
better
maintenance
out
there,
but
it's
way
better
than
what
it
was.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
B
Yeah
so
under
the
proposal
just
for
clarification,
because
I'm
a
bit
confused
under
the
regulations,
you
would
be
required
to
plant
67
trees
but
you're
proposing
to
plant
48.
M
I
based
these
numbers
matt
on
the
landscape
plan.
You
provided,
and
those
were
my
accounts
and
correct
me
if
they
are
incorrect.
I
came
up
with
a
total
requirement
of
67
trees
for
number
36
and
that
48
trees
were
in
total
were
going
to
be
planted.
M
Q
M
Right
so
I
apologize
all
that
that
I
did
not
clarify
that
the
building
impact
landscaping
is
not
actually
a
requirement.
They
provided
that
in
their
calculations,
but
that
is
no
longer
a
requirement,
so
they
are
actually
providing
more
than
they
would
currently
be
required
as
to
numbers
of
of
trees.
Yeah.
Q
And
I'll
I'll
add
to
that
jennifer
we
could
have
added
to
that
confusion,
because
I
think
our
first
submittal
may
have
had
building
impact
in
it.
And
then
we
sent
some
revised
plans.
E
P
M
L
A
All
right
looks
like
parent
did.
You
have
one
more
question.
I
Yes,
so
matt
I
just
wanted.
We
started
this
conversation
out
about
compaction
of
soils
and
poor
soils
on
site
and,
of
course,
that's
the
case
on
such
a
heavily
impacted
site.
So
I'm
just
curious
about
plans
around
how
to
prepare
and
care
for
the
tree
sites
where
the
trees
are
going
in
in
terms
of
decompaction
addition
of
organic
matter
etc.
Along
the
lines
of
what
sharon
was
saying.
What's
your
standard
procedure,
there.
Q
Well,
as
we
mentioned,
this
is
kind
of
a
unique
site.
There's
there's
two
things
going
on
here:
there's
soil,
that's
been
underneath
concrete,
slabs
and
gravel
for
decades,
and
so
some
of
that
soil
believe
it
or
not.
When
we
dug
it
up
around
the
wedge,
was
river
silt
and
was
actually
not
too
bad
and
then
some
of
it
was
just
horrible
mixes
of
gravel
and
just
debris,
and
things
like
that,
not
to
mention
it
being
an
industrial
site
and
I'm
not
saying
that
it's
a
contaminated
site,
but.
Q
Probably
things
in
this
soil
being
in
the
river
in
the
floodplain
that
aren't
so
great,
so
there's
a
balance
between
how
much
of
the
soil
you
disturb
and
how
much
of
it
you're
trying
to
just
plant
and
let
the
plant
you
know
planting
it
small
which
we're
doing
it
with
the
trees,
but
we're
also
doing
it
with
the
perennials.
We
are
moving
almost
entirely
to
plugs
when
it
comes
to
perennials
and
grasses.
Q
They
have
the
same
nature.
They
do
better.
We
have
a
much
higher
success
rate
than
gallon
plants
and
so
same
kind
of
idea.
The
less
you
disturb
two
things
happen:
you
greatly
reduce
the
amount
of
weeds
because
you
start
to
disturb
that
that
old,
you
know
wheat,
that
seed
bank,
so
who
knows
what's
under
there
from
terms
of
a
seed
bank,
so
we're
trying
to
kind
of
get
that
ground
plane
established.
Q
G
Q
Lot
of
places
are
much
farther
ahead
than
us
on
this.
You
know
in
the
northeast
with
high
lines,
so
many
things
were
learned
with
the
high
line
and
these
poor
soils
the
navy
yards
in
philadelphia
we're
using
these
as
precedents,
but
we
really
need
to
kind
of
think
about
how
we
maintain
these
new
urban
landscapes
and
again
this
is
kind
of
an
experiment
and
I
feel
like
we're.
We're
learning
a
lot
and
we're
doing
a
lot
of
good
things
here.
I
Interesting
stuff,
so
it
sounds
like
you'll,
be
relying
on
the
plant
roots
to
do
most
of
the
decompaction
work
over
time,
exactly
interesting,
yeah.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
All
right
sharon
did,
you
have
more
or
actually
sorry
and
steve
hendricks
as
well,
so
steve
was
first
sorry,
steve
and
then
sharon.
F
Yeah,
I
I
really
like
the
concept.
I
agree.
The
challenge
is
the
long-term
maintenance
and
how
to
deal
with
that
and
and
see
what
happens
and
adapt
to
it.
Just
out
of
curiosity,
my
questions
were
answered.
Really,
curiosity
is
founding
somebody's
name,
or
did
somebody
spell
foundry
wrong
a
long
time
ago.
P
You
know,
I
honestly,
I
think
they've
been
flip-flopping
back
and
forth
between
foundation,
studios
and
foundy,
foundy
street
came
from
foundation
studios
and
and
just
the
the
fact
that
the
besides
the
skate
park
they
got
built
on
an
old
foundation
down
there.
That's
that's
still
in
existence.
P
K
One
moment
before,
since
we're
approaching
a
public
comment
for
alternative
compliance.
If
we
have
any
callers
on
the
line
that
would
like
to
speak
towards
the
alternative
compliance,
please
press
star,
3.
D
Yeah,
I'm
real
familiar
with
this
type
of
planting,
having
done
a
lot
of
it
in
my
landscape
contracting
world,
and
I
want
to
say,
I'm
putting
in
plugs
and
you're
in
a
car
and
you're
in
a
small
area,
acreage
wise
that
there
is
no
way
to
put
this
much
planting
in
and
this
many
plugs
in
without
disturbing
the
soil
all
around
it,
without
creating
more
of
a
weed
situation
and
that
will
allow
for
using
organic
fertilizers
or,
as
you
stated,
lime,
which
will
break
down
the
soil
but
other
things.
D
So
I'm
kind
of
still
going
with
the
fact
that
this
would
be
a
much
better
looking
project
down
there
if
there'd
be
more
maintenance
applied
to
it
and
the
realization
that
you
are
going
to
disturb
this
soil.
When
you
go,
do
the
planting
and
with
this
dense
of
planting
as
you've
got
down
here
other
than
with
your
your
ornamental
grasses
would
get
which
get
larger.
D
The
main
trick
to
make
this
not
look
like
a
weedy
mess
is
good
maintenance
and
I
like
to
state
that
again
because
there's
a
lot
of
time,
a
lot
of
money
put
into
this
and
thought
and
we'd
like
to
see
it
look
like
something
beautiful
as
you've
got
planned
for
it,
and
that's
my
last
two
cents
on
that.
Thank
you.
A
E
B
Ceso
has
called
question
so
under
robert's
rules
once
he
calls
the
question
that
ends
any
further
discussion
or
questions.
Oh,
so
we
go
right.
We
go
right
to
the
vote.
A
Okay,
then,
let's
vote
so
we're
gonna.
Do
the
votes
separate
because
they're
two
separate
submissions
so
first
for
eleven
found
e?
Do
I
have
a
motion.
G
B
F
B
E
A
L
A
F
E
G
E
A
K
S
Hi,
this
is
steve
rasmussen,
I'm
a
member
of
the
tree
protection
task
force.
You
all
are
our
local
repository
of
urban
tree
canopy
policy
and
expertise,
and
I'd
like
to
suggest
the
commission
could
play
a
key
role
in
educating
local
policy
makers
about
the
disastrous
unintended
consequences
for
climate
change
of
a
bill.
That's
moving
through
the
north
carolina
general
general
assembly.
Right
now,
it's
called
sb
349
or
hb
401
titled
increase
housing
opportunities.
S
That's
making
our
cities
dangerously
hot
and
flooded,
in
other
words,
without
urban
forest
protections,
build,
build,
build
means,
cut,
cut
cut,
and
even
if
this
bill
succeeds
in
reducing
historic
racial
inequities
in
housing,
as
it
intends
its
means
for
achieving
that
will
not
only
perpetuate
historic
environmental
equities
inequities
but
ensure
that
they
follow
people
wherever
they
move
to.
S
So
now,
on
the
positive
side
of
this
equation,
julie
mayfield
has
introduced
a
bill,
sb
436
that
would
allow
north
carolina
local
governments
to
pass
local
tree
protections
without
the
need
for
state
enabling
legislation,
and
this
would
be
a
major
step
forward
in
fighting
climate
change
in
our
state,
but
I'm
afraid
the
other
bill.
I've
just
been
describing
would
make
that
meaningless
if
it
passes.
So
perhaps
you
could
issue
a
statement
laying
out
the
science
I've
mentioned
and
pointing
out
the
major
environmental
problems.
S
G
A
Okay,
we
actually
do
have
an
agenda
item
to
talk
about
legislative
issues
coming
up,
that'll
be
in
new
business,
so
we'll
move
on
with
our
agenda.
We
do
appreciate
that
caller.
Thank
you
so
much
so
for
old
business.
I
believe
sharon
do
you
have
an
update
on
4
24
sunset.
D
Yes,
talking
with
ricky
hurley,
ed
nacey
and
I
are
going
to
meet
with
the
the
owners.
Well,
actually
we're
not
because
they
can't
make
the
meeting
date
ed
and
I
are
going
to
walk
the
property
with
a
plan
and
offer
them
suggestions
on
the
remediation,
as
it
was
rejected
at
a
board
of
adjustments
that
they'd
be
given
the
the
increase
in
their
footage
for
grading.
D
So
they
declined
board
of
adjustments,
declined
it
and
the
remediation
would
be
that
ed
and
I
go
out
make
recommendations
of
and
then
work
with,
the
neighbors,
which
would
be
what
would
be
acceptable
to
holding
the
soil
and
replanting.
What
was
disturbed
and
that'll
be
in
two
weeks.
A
Okay,
and
so
as
sharon
mentioned,
sharon
and
ed
will
be
ufc
representatives
to
assist
the
owners
on
that
site
with
their
remediation
plan.
All
right
any
questions
from
the
group
or
comments
on
that
project.
A
All
right
and
thank
you
to
you
both
for
putting
in
the
time
on
that
site.
I
appreciate
that
all
right
next,
an
update
from
the
policy
working
group,
so
I
don't
know
if
ed
you
have
something
ready
for
that.
C
Yeah
we
met
by
phone,
probably
four
or
five
weeks
ago.
It
was
prior
to
the
meeting
that
we
did
not
have
last
month
and
discussed
the
list
of
priorities
to
look
at
and
it
it
turns
out.
Our
highest
priority
is
to
focus
on
chapter.
F
C
I'm
sorry
chapter
20,
which
is
badly
in
need
of
revision
and
we're
just
waiting
for
the
blessing
of
this
group
to
proceed
and
we'll
have
subsequent
calls.
I've
already
started
working
my
way
through
chapter
20,
at
least
highlighting
things
that
that
need
to
be
changed,
and
that
chapter
is
almost
completely
obsolete
at
this
point
in
in
terms
of
the
names
of
of
the
urban
forestry
commission,
the
department,
the
urban
forestry
commission
works
with
the
names
of
department
heads
the
the
players.
C
Urban
forestry
commission
questions
that
have
to
be
answered,
like
regarding
the
role
of
the
metropolitan
sewer
district
and
on
and
on
and
on
almost
every
every
line
and
chapter
every
lining
paragraph
within
that
chapter
needs
some
form
of
revision.
C
So
if,
if
it's
okay
with
this
group
that
that
sort
of
sort
of
emerged
as
our
highest
priority
to
focus
on
this
year
and
we'll
start
working
on
it,
our
intention
is
to
propose
a
complete
rewrite
of
the
chapter
and
present
it
to
the
city
for
their
review
and
and
then
we
can
work
our
way
through
it
from
there.
E
C
Yeah
chapter
20,
the
intent
is
to
address
trees
on
public
property,
primarily,
so
it's
got
a
section
on
definitions.
C
It
talks
about
the
responsibility
of
the
various
department
heads
with
respect
to
trees
on
public
property.
It's
got
the
section
in
it
related
to
historic
trees,
a
section
on
trimming
pruning
planting
removal
of
trees
on
public
property,
injuring
trees
and
shrubbery.
So
so,
it's
all
all
with
respect
to
how
the
community
behaves
with
respect
to
publicly
owned
trees
along
rights
of
wayne
and
parks.
C
C
I
know
chris
collins
is
is
is
maintaining
what
he
calls
a
bug
list
on
the
new
canopy
protection
amendment
and
and
heritage
trees
is
one
of
those
items
on
the
bug
list,
so
what
we
all
agreed
was,
after
a
year
or
so
implementation
that
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
the
changes
that
are
needed
with
that
amendment.
So
that's
also
a
priority,
but
it's
a
little
bit
lower
on
the
list.
G
You
you
wanted
a
blessing
from
the
community
from
the
committee,
so.
C
C
Well,
thank
you.
Maybe
that
wasn't
the
right
choice
of
words,
but
if,
if
the
abortion
commission
gives
this
working
group
the
go-ahead,
we'll
we'll
focus
our
efforts
on
chapter
20
for
the
next
couple
months,.
F
I
don't
think
we
need
a
vote.
I
think
when
we
bring
something
forward.
I
agree
we
would
need
a
vote.
Then.
A
Is
there
any
other
discussion
or
comments
on
those
priorities.
C
That's
good,
it
makes
it.
It
makes
me
feel
extra
special
this
afternoon
cecil.
So
we'll
we'll
convene
a
meeting
in
the
next
week
or
two
and-
and
I
think
what
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
is
is
finish
working
my
way
through
it
just
highlighting
areas
that
I
think
we
need
change,
because
that'll
help
inform
the
discussion
and
patrick
sharon
and
steve
and
I'll
get
our
heads
together
in
the
next
week
or
so,
and
continue
working
forward.
A
All
right
and
I'd
say,
even
if
you
have
you
know,
if
you're
at
a
working
spot,
where
you
need
the
group
to
get
together
and
discuss,
you
know,
bring
us
bits
and
pieces.
You
know
if
needed,
because
we
can,
as
a
group,
discuss
that
in
our
public
meetings
and
then
the
working
group
can
then
take
the
work
to
the
side
as
well.
So.
A
I
appreciate
it
that's
great
any
questions
from
the
group
for
the
policy
portion
all
right,
so
next,
some
discussion
about
the
tree
protection,
ordinance,
amendment
and
training
the
last
couple
months.
The
city
had
the
two
trainings
one
for
city
staff,
primarily
and
the
other
for
the
development
community
and
both
were
really
really
great.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
from
this
group
were
able
to
attend
one
or
both.
A
So
I
think
I
don't
know
if
it
was
nancy
or
someone
else
had
some
updates
on
that
and
then
some
clarification
on
what
trees
fall
under
the
amendment
and
and
count
in
the
counts,
with
the
different
categories
of
trees.
In
the
amendment.
A
Don't
know
where
the
question
I
don't
know
it
didn't
come
from
through
me,
so
I
know
there
was
a
question
on.
I
believe
this
is
what
the
question
was
when
an
applicant
submits
their
application,
so
what
trees
on
the
site,
I
think,
is
the
question
count
toward
different
pieces
of
it
like
versus
street
trees
versus.
N
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
I
think
that
the
complication
there
lies
within.
Like
you
know,
we
have
a
lot
of
landscaping
requirements
already
in
7-11-3
for
building
impact,
landscaping,
vehicle
use,
area,
landscaping,
street
trees,
all
the
usual
stuff
and
the
premise
that
the
ordinance
works
off
of
is
that
anything,
that's
being
preserved,
existing
trees
that
are
being
preserved
to
meet
those
requirements
right.
So
if
you
have
existing
trees
that
meet
whatever
distance
and
separation
and
any
other
requirements
to
be
building
impact,
landscaping,
buffer
landscaping,
vehicle
use
area
parking
landscaping,
those
can
count
towards
your
canopy.
N
So
a
street
tree
in
theory
could
count
if
it
was
being
preserved
because
it
was
within
the
right
distance
from
another
street
tree
and
from
the
travel
lane,
and
it
happened
to
be
on
the
property
and
not
the
right
way,
but
most
of
the
time,
your
street
trees
are
in
the
right
of
way,
even
if
you're
resisting
trees.
So
they're
not
going
to
count
towards
that
canopy
requirement.
N
So
that's
a
little
a
little
bit
tricky
to
track,
but
that's
the
main
message
we
gave
people
through
the
training
was
usually
your
street
trees
aren't
going
to
count
because
they're,
usually
in
the
right
of
way,
but
in
theory
you
could
have
a
street
tree
that
exists
on
the
property
and
meets
the
dimensional
requirements
and
is
being
preserved,
and
then
it
could
count
towards
your
canopy.
N
I
think
that
was
pretty
much
it.
We
also
have
we've
had
some
stuff
come
up
lately
about
easements
and
the
ordinance
really
plainly
has
a
list
of
things
that
can't
exist
within
that
tree.
Canopy
protection
area,
but
the
real
general
gist
of
that
is
any
kind
of
easement
that
would
allow
tree
removal
would
make
it.
So
you
can't
count
that
as
your
tree
canopy,
obviously-
and
we
had
that
come
up
recently
on
a
development
plan
with
railroad
right
away.
N
A
Did
the
group
have
any
other
questions
for
chris
well
he's
here
on
that
the
amendment
and
ordinance
go
ahead,
patrick.
B
So
excuse
me
asheville
greenworks,
through
don
and
ed
put
on
two
seminars.
One
was
around
the
enforcement
of
the
tree:
canopy
protection
ordinance.
One
seminar
was
with
city
staff.
The
second
seminar
was
with
developers
and
other
people
related
to
the
development
community.
B
So
I
think
at
some
point
we
need
to
have
some
discussion
about
how
we
transition
from
what
particularly
the
city
staff
learned
from
these
this.
Their
seminar
and
ed
did
a
fantastic
job
with
that
by
the
way
into
some
kind
of
policy
around
enforcement
of
that
ordinance,
and
I
think
that
that
step
is
not
clear
to
me
and
I
think
we
need
some
clarification
on
that.
B
C
As
part
of
that
training
effort,
patrick,
I
did
develop
a
plan
review
checklist
that
I
sent
to
chris,
not
to
put
you
on
the
spot
chris,
but
the
whole
idea
was
to
welcome
the
city
to
use
as
much
of
that
list,
or
any
of
that
list
is
practical.
In
your
plan
review
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
the
ordinance,
we
could
do
a
similar
checklist
that
would
that
would
help
help
identify
red
flags
during
building
construction,
because
that's
obviously
one
of
the
more
critical
points
in
protecting
trees
and
land
development.
C
N
Yeah-
and
I
appreciate
you
sending
that
overhead-
we
have
a
rudimentary
checklist-
we
developed
before
back
in
september
right
when
the
ordinance
first
rolled
out,
because
we
had
to
tell
people
how
to
roll
with
compliance,
but
it
is
on
our
to-do
list
to
look
at
that
checklist.
N
Make
some
amendments,
maybe
differentiate
between
development
plans
and
subdivisions,
because
we
found
they
have
different
needs
and
different
designers,
and
your
checklist
is
going
to
come
in
handy
when
we
delve
into
that
which
hopefully
will
be
soon,
because
we
know
we
need
to
make
some
improvements
to
that
checklist.
N
N
Our
construction
inspectors,
who
make
periodic
visits
routine,
repeating
inspections
to
active
development
sites
and
what's
been
added
to
their
list,
is
to
check
for
tree
protection
and
make
sure
it's
in
place
where
it
needs
to
be
it's
kind
of
like.
I
think
I
think
you
just
mentioned
after
construction
after
co
for
the
life
of
those
trees.
N
If
we're
being
completely
honest,
we
have.
We
have
two
zoning
enforcement
positions
for
the
entire
city,
so
we
do
rely
we
by
by
necessity,
we
rely
on
folks
report
violations,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
catch
them
all.
N
N
N
A
All
right
thanks
chris,
so
I
think
this
is
something
that
we'll
continue
to
revisit.
You
know
probably
every
meeting
for
the
next
year,
at
least,
and
build
up
this
list
of
these
key
points
that
we
need
to
keep
an
eye
on
and
address
and
potentially
add
to
and
revise
as
we
go.
So.
Construction
enforcement
and
enforcement
of
the
record
of
preserved
trees
would
be
on
that
list.
B
Madam
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
chris
and
ed
for
their
explanations.
A
I
agree.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
both
all
right
good.
So
next,
the
budget
request
for
this
fiscal
year
has
obviously
been
put
through
to
council.
We've
talked
about
that
so
on
the
agenda
now
is:
did
we
want
to
as
a
group
as
the
urban
forestry
commission
put
through
any
education
push
to
council
members
on
our
request,
specifically
for
the
urban
forester
and
the
urban
forest
master
plan?
A
You
know
what
I'm
seeing
right
now
as
we
talk
about
this
enforcement
of
the
ordinance
and
watching
these
trees
over
time
and
urban
forester
would
just
make
all
of
this
much
nicer.
You
know
someone
to
oversee
the
processes
to
work
with
this
group
and
council
as
that
go-between,
so
I
would
really
love
to
push
for
that
position
to
be
filled,
but,
as
a
group,
we
currently
have
those
two
requests
on
the
table.
A
So
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
for
discussion
on
how
we
want
to
proceed
if
there's
any
comments
or
what
we
want
to
do
to
get
these
points
through
to
council.
A
Whoever's
first
go
ahead:
patrick.
B
So
obviously,
through
the
urban
forestry
commission,
and
particularly
the
tree
protection
task
force,
you
know
we
made
a
major
push,
I
believe
for
the
2020
budget
for
funding
for
an
urban
forester
and
an
urban
forest
master
plan
and
we
had
meetings.
We
submitted
a
lot
of
documents
and
scientific
data
to
support
our
position.
B
Unfortunately,
I
think
there's
only
two
council
members
left
on
the
council
from
that
time
when
we
did
all
that
work.
So
I
think
we
need
to
push
that
same.
Make
that
same
kind
of
effort,
push
those
same
kind
of
documents
and
and
scientific
support
for
funding
these
two
positions
to
these
to
the
new
council,
because
I'm
not
sure
whether
the
new
council
members
have
ever
seen
that.
A
Yeah,
that
was
my
thought
as
well,
as
we
have
just
a
couple
of
people
who
had
been
there
for
that
previous
push.
So
parent
go
ahead.
I
Thank
you
amy.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
kim
to
give
us
our
our
council
person,
roni
who's,
our
council
liaison
to
give
us
sort
of
a
readout
of
the
mood
and
psychology
on
council
about
the
budget.
Right
now
I
understand
we
have
a
bit
of
a
budget
surplus
relative
to
what
we
expected
for
the
forthcoming
year,
and
so
would
you
would
you
just
kind
of
give
us
the
lay
of
the.
J
I
J
Sure,
well,
I
will
speak
to.
We
are
in
the
11th
hour
of
this
budget
process,
so
any
requests
or
recommendations
that
you
would
make.
I
would
certainly
make
them
today
and
as
far
as
the
mood,
I
can
only
speak
for
myself,
but
I
understand
the
need
for
us
to
repair
our
tree
canopy
and
I'm
happily
willing
to
carry
forward
any
recommendation.
This
group
would
make
our
next
budget
work
session
is
on.
May
11th.
I
Are
you
seeing?
Are
you
seeing
that
that
surplus
is
sort
of
already
spoken
for,
in
a
sense
by
other
initiatives,
that
council
is
already
getting
on
board
with
or
what's
the
status
with
this,
the
budget
surplus
specifically.
J
So
in
the
last
budget
work
session
that
we
had,
I
guess
that
would
have
been
a
week
and
a
half
ago
we've
been
having
a
conversation
about
the
council's
new
top
four
stated
goals
which
are
reparations:
an
equitable
recovery
using
our
arp
covered
relief
spending,
the
compensation
study,
I'm
losing
that
fourth
one.
You
would
have
thought
that
I
could
have
figured
that
out
pretty
fast,
there's
only
four,
but
I
know
that
the
waging
compensation
study
is
going
to
be
a
top
priority.
J
F
Yeah
regarding
the
fact
that
we,
you
know
the
resolution
passed
last
year
unanimously
by
council,
even
though
this
is
a
partly
new
council,
you
know
that's
and
we've
had
a
long-term
push
for
this,
so
I
think
we
should
renew
our
efforts.
F
I
agree
with
that,
at
least
to
remind
council
that
this
is
a
citizen-driven
initiative
over
several
years
and
the
resolution
passed
and
we
we're
just
the
spokespeople
for
it
and
that
there's
a
lot
of
support
out
there
for
it
and
whether
they
articulate
it
exactly
like
you
know,
you
know
in
a
scientific
way
or
not
this.
The
support
is
there
so.
F
I
I
just
think
we
should
have
a
strong
reminder
and
push.
However,
we
can.
J
So
I
am
abundantly
aware,
thanks
to
steve's,
sit
and
chat
before
the
pandemic
of
the
request,
but
I
do
recommend
that
it
is
within
the
scope
of
this
commission
to
advise
the
full
council.
A
No,
if
you
recall,
according
to
ben
woody,
all
requests
from
last
year
were
automatically
put
through
so.
A
A
So
it
sounds
like
you
know
what
we
did
before.
If
I
recall
this
would
have
been
2020
when
we
made
that
last
big
push
on
this
or
20
2019
pardon
me
was,
we
did
phone
calls
to
all
of
the
council
members.
You
know
put
out
the
phone
list
and
some
talking
points,
so
I
would
suggest
we
do
that
again.
Unless
there's
other
ideas,
we
could
write
a
formal.
A
D
Yeah,
I
was
gonna
say
the
same
thing:
do
we
have
a
few
people
that'll
volunteer
to
do
that
and
concentrate
that
have
some
time
to
do
it?
I
can't
volunteer
for
one
more
thing,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
done.
We
did
it
big
time
before
and
we
just
don't
have
time
to
do
that
now,
but
we
need
to
do
something
according
to
kim
yesterday,
so
that
means
we've
got
a
coalesce
in
a
hurry
and
if
there's
some
committed
people
that
can
do
that
in
the
next
three
four
days,
that'd
be
great.
D
F
I
mean
it's
just
if
it's
just
the
urban
forestry
commission,
you
know
we
need
it
needs
to
be
a
broader
thing,
because
we
I
mean
we,
we
speak
through
kim
and
and
to
the
and
to
council
in
general,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
get
across
this
broader
and
broader
appeal
and
a
broader
support.
F
C
There
will
be
communication
amongst
the
tree
protection
task
force
within
the
next
day.
Yeah
do
do
we
have
any
talking
points
from
last
year
or
the
year
before
that
we
can
pull
out
and
reference
real
quickly.
I.
A
Think
I
know
that
I
have
some
of
it.
I've
saved
everything,
so
I
just
have
to
go
through
and
and
find
it
which
shouldn't
be
hard.
C
Yeah,
well
anything
in
terms
of
talking
points
that
will
support
the
budget.
If
anybody
has
any
of
that,
if,
if
you
can
send
it
to
dawn
and
to
to
me
as
quickly
as
you
can,
we
could
probably
start
we
we
can.
We
can
start
drumming
up
some
support
pretty
quickly,
I'm
going
to
be
tied
up
all
day
tomorrow
in
a
deposition,
so
it's
kind
of
like
they'll,
have
to
wait
till
till
thursday.
C
Before
I
can
do
anything,
but
if
you
guys
can
get
talking
points
to
us,
I
know
I
could
at
least
get
a
couple.
Email
messages
out
to
get
things
started.
B
C
A
Great
and
dawn,
I
saw
you
had
a
hand
up
earlier.
Did
you
have
anything
else
said.
H
Last
year,
greenworks
led
the
charge
and
emailed
out
to
our
lists
and
networks
did
a
strong
push,
we're
we're
operating
at
less
than
full
capacity
right
now.
So
I'm
hesitant
to
jump
and
take
the
lead
on
this,
but
I
I
will,
especially
if
I
have
some
support
from
others
on
the
tree
protection
task
force.
A
We
appreciate
that,
of
course,
kim
is
that
a
new.
J
Yeah,
I
think
the
last
thing
I
would
add
is
that
a
number
of
the
things
that
previous
councils
have
prioritized
in
the
past
were
discussed
as
now
being
operationalized.
So
it
may
be
worthwhile
to
acknowledge
that
the
climate
emergency
has
been
passed
and
then
is
the
funding
available
to
advance
right.
The
work.
J
What
I
will
do
is
my
normal
report
back
to
council
from
this
meeting,
and
I'm
I
will
copy
the
chair
so
that
the
chair
can
distribute
it
right
to
this
group.
F
You
yeah
and-
and
I
don't
know
whether
kim
you
have
a
copy
of
the
resolution,
we
need
to
make
sure,
but
we
obviously
you
probably
have
that
patrick
to
the
resolution.
Don't
you
yes,.
F
Okay,
great
yeah.
B
F
Let's
move
ahead,
I
mean
it's,
we
got
to
keep
pushing.
A
Yeah,
it
can
feel
like
we
keep
spinning
our
wheels,
but
we're
talking
to
a
new
crowd.
So
let's
get
it
pushed
through
as
much
as
we
can
and
see.
If
we
can
get
something
accomplished-
and
I
know
that
greenworks
was
starting
the
work
on
preliminary
work
on
urban
forest
master
plan,
which
is
an
ongoing
process.
It's
a
long
process,
even
if
it
were
to
be
funded
immediately.
A
It's
it's
a
long
thing,
so
I
know
you
guys
are
starting
or
had
talked
about
starting
some
of
the
community
input
pieces
of
that
so
we'll
at
least
get
going
with
what
we
can
on
that
piece.
J
All
right,
any
others.
If
this
group
is
wanting
to
make
a
fresh
recommendation
for
this
budget,
the
group
may
wish
to
actually
make
a
vote
of
recommendation.
A
C
I
May
I
offer
a
friendly
amendment
ed
that
the
exactly
what
you
said,
but
also
in
keeping
with
our
prior
requests
from
last
year
and
the
request
that
was
submitted
this
year
for
the
budget.
That's.
C
E
C
C
I
make
a
recommendation
that
when
I
make
a
motion
that
we
recommend
to
city
council
that
they
fund
an
urban
forester
and
an
urban
forestry
master
plan,
as
recommended
in
the
previous
two
budget
years
and
in
keeping
with
city
council's
resolution
to
achieve
zero
net
loss
tree
canopy
exactly.
A
F
I
A
My
vote,
I
thank
you
very
much,
and
so
now
that's
on
the
record,
so
we
can
get
that
to
counsel
on
your
update.
I
appreciate
that
kim.
Thank
you
so
much
all
right.
Thanks
everybody.
We
will
get
started
with
the
talking
points
and
as
a
group
here
and
as
citizens
we
can
make
that
push
and
then
work
with
our
community
partners
to
make
that
push
as
well.
A
Very
good.
Thank
you
all
right.
Next
on
the
agenda
is
the
city
county
collaboration,
and
you
know,
since
this
group
is
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
the
asheville
city
council,
you
know
we
don't
have
a
formal
role
in
the
county,
but
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
the
buncombe
county
is
soliciting
input
and
members
to
work
on
the
revision
of
their
comp
plan
right
now.
So
again,
as
citizens
who
live
in
buncombe
county,
we
are
welcome
to
have
input
and
potentially
work
with
that
group.
A
So
I'd
encourage
anyone
who
might
have
time
and
interest
to
apply
to
work
on
their
steering
committee.
I
believe
they
have
applications
open
now
for
that
committee
to
work
on
the
comp
plan
through
the
county.
So
again,
that's
something
that,
as
the
urban
forestry
commission,
we
can
look
for
opportunities
like
with
the
hawk
creek
elementary
school
project,
where
there
was
that
inherent
overlap
where
the
city
and
the
county
were
co-involved,
that's
a
place
where
we
can
consult
and
have
opportunity
to
make
those
connections.
A
A
A
County
but
again
just
an
encouragement
for
anyone
who's
interested
here
to
possibly
look
into
that
to
have
that
crossover
all
right,
good,
so
working
group
updates.
Is
there
an
update
from
the
open
space
amendment
working
group?
I
Other
meetings,
yes,
we've
continued,
our
meetings
they've
become
bi-weekly.
I
I
think
we
were
doing
them
every
three
weeks,
but
now
it's
every
two
weeks,
so
the
pace
is
picked
up
both
in
the
periodicity
of
the
meetings,
but
also
in
the
sort
of
density
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
so
we're
much
more
down
into
the
brass
tacks
of
the
specifics
of
how
the
open
space
amendment
would
ultimately
be
crafted,
and
I
I
we've
we've
gotten
to
the
point
where
we're
disagreeing
about
some
big
picture
things
right
now:
we're
hashing
out
whether
or
not
downtown
the
central
business
district
and
the
river
arts
district
would
be
included
in
open
space
requirements,
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
big
controversy
at
the
moment.
I
Disagreement
among
the
among
the
members
of
the
task
force
at
the
moment
and
so
yeah
we're
working
hard
on
it.
We
it
takes
a
lot
of
work.
It
takes
a
lot
of
planning
and
strategizing
and
thinking
and
hashing
it
out
and
that's
what
we're
doing
and
it's
been
time
consuming.
But
I'm
hopeful
that
we
will
get
some
substantial
improvements
out
of
the
process
and
that's
that's
the
spirit
that
we're
we're
participating
in
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
my
general
summary.
I
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
the
update
and
thank
you
to
you
and
everyone
else.
Who's
been
working
on
that
it
is,
I'm
sure
time
consuming,
but
hopefully
worth
it
really
appreciate
your
time
on
that
all
right.
If
there's
any
questions
for
perrin,
no,
so
the
mission
statement,
so
I've
been
trying
to
amend
it
based
on
the
feedback
that
we
received
at
our
last
meeting,
adding
a
little
bit
more
about
the
human
and
social
dimensions
of
trees
and
the
environmental
equity
of
tree
canopy,
and
I'm
personally
a
little
stuck
on
revisions.
A
You
know
that
we
could
make
it
much
longer.
You
know
and
write
a
whole
paper
on
how
to
you
know,
achieve
these
goals
and
what
we
want
to
put
in
there.
So
at
this
point,
I'm
opening
it
back
up
for
suggestions
on
revisions.
Hopefully
everybody
has
the
document.
I
can
resend
it
out.
A
A
It
may
not
necessarily
go
into
the
udo
as
something
written
in
you
know
into
the
ordinances.
It
might
be
something
that
we
keep
as
part
of
the
tree
commission
and
all
of
the
work
that
we
do
or
sorry,
the
urban
forestry
commission
you
know
potentially
just
on
the
website
or
in
other
places
like
that,
where
the
commission
has
a
public
face,
but
that
way
it
would
be
more
easily
revised
in
the
future.
A
C
I
I've
got
a
couple.
I
too
struggle
with
how
we
can
address
equity
in
the
statement,
and
I
you
know,
I
just
thought
where
the
statement
says:
I'm
going
to
be
very
specific
here.
Just
for
a
second
improving
human
health,
maybe
add
improve
human
health
and
social
condition
might
address
that
point
I'll.
Leave
that
up
to
you,
my
other
second.
My
second
point
is
the
the
mission
statement
itself.
Our
mission
is
to
protect
enhance
the
urban
forces
city
asheville
through
education
collaboration
policy
initiatives.
C
I
would
change
that
to
read
through
education,
best
management
practices,
collaboration
and
policy
initiatives
emphasizing
best
management
practices.
C
So
so
I
think,
with
with
with
those
two
changes
it
pretty
well
meets
my
satisfaction
and
notwithstanding
tweaks,
that
other
folks
in
the
group
might
want
to
make.
H
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
really
look
at
it
and
make
comment,
and
I
will
I'm
just
looking
through
it
now,
but
with
regards
to
equity,
I
think
we
need
to
be
explicit
about
calling
out
what
we're
talking
about
in
framing
paragraph
and
what
we
mean
by
how
we're
addressing
it.
So
I
can
help
make
some
edit
suggestions
in
this
week.
H
Well,
in
the
mission
statement,
I
think
we
should
have
something
there,
but
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
in
the
above
paragraph
to
really
like,
explain
more
and
highlight
it.
So
it's
elevated
beyond
just
a
list
of
things.
We're
checking
off
is
like
okay,
we're
gonna,
do
health
and
equity
and
storm
water
and
those
sorts
of
things.
So
I
think
it
it's
can
be
woven
into
all
we
do.
It
should
be,
but
yeah
I'll
I'll
help
make
some
changes.
A
Awesome
well
yeah.
For
me
I
would
just
appreciate
it.
My
faculty
advisor
is
an
editor,
so
I
am
all
about
cutting
everything
out,
so
I
do
need
help
to
add
things
in
so
yeah.
I
appreciate
it.
F
Yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
real
art,
getting
things
concise
enough
and
also
explaining
them
well
enough
and
we're,
I
think
it's
reasonably
close,
but
we
it
can
use
some
wordsmithing
for
sure.
E
A
Everybody
has
a
copy
of
this.
If
you
need
it
again,
I
can
send
it
out
but
make
edits
and
suggestions
and
send
them
through
and
then
we'll
try
to
get
to
a
revised
draft
for
the
group
to
vote
on
next
month.
If
that
works.
I
Yeah
and
amy-
I
I'm
also
a
part
of
the
mission
statement
working
group,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
think
we
favor
edits
over
suggestions
at
this
point,
because
we've
sort
of
reached
our
word
saturation
limit
with
the
construct
that
we
built.
A
Yeah,
concise
language
is
what
we're
gonna
go
for
so
yeah,
but,
like
parents
said
you
know
when
the
three
of
us
you
know
stephen
parent
and
I
put
it
together,
yeah,
we
you
get
to
a
saturation
level
in
your
mind
where
you
can't
see
it
beyond.
So
we
do
appreciate
those
edits
within
the
document,
so
good,
all
right.
Well,
thanks!
Everybody
on
that,
so
sharon,
any
updates
from
trc.
D
No,
but
we
should
be
looking
for
somebody
to
replace
me
in
two
years:
it's
gonna
take
two
years
to
comprehend
it.
So
if
we
can
find
somebody
that's
on
longer
than
I
am,
I
think
I've
got
like
two
and
a
half
years
left.
Patrick,
has
been
a
great
help.
I
took
some
time
off
and
he
sits
in
and
it's
very
helpful
to
have
someone
to
back
up.
D
What's
going
on
and
once
again,
staff
has
been
more
than
helpful
in
answering
all
of
my
questions
and
as
you
all
know,
I
have
a
lot
of
them.
So
I'm
suggesting
that
someone
that
comes
on
after
someone
leaves
that
we
kind
of
look
to
see
how
committed
they
would
be
to
wanting
to
take
on
something
like
trc,
as
opposed
to
waiting
to
the
last
minute
that
I
leave
and
then
it's
that
learning
curve.
That's
taken
so
long.
D
Absolutely
yes,
it's
really
helped
us
coalesce
to
understand
it.
I
mean
I
really
think
all
the
work
that
we've
done
and
I
think
we're
just
a
great
commission
right
now
with
understanding
everything
how
this
city
functions
more
than
we
did
when
I
started
well
we're
all
trying
to
figure
out
where
the
bodies
are
buried.
You
know
so
now
we've
got
a.
D
We
got
a
good
idea
where
to
go
when
we
have
an
issue
and
what
it
looks
like
and
if
not
where
to
research
it,
which
is
when
we
when
I
started,
is
way
more
than
we
did
so
I
want
to
congratulate
all
of
us
for
just
working
our
butts
off
to
to
be
a
great
commission.
I'm
just
really
proud
to
be
on
this
commission.
A
Thank
you
all
right
and
sharon
and
I'll
work
on.
I
promise
that
this
summer,
I'll
free
up
some
time
to
look
into
that
process
and
see
how
we
can
try
to
streamline
that
and
get
someone
like
you
said,
a
second
string
ready
for
when
we
need
them.
A
R
Yeah
hi
yeah,
I'm
the
interim
coordinator
for
the
council,
and
we
do
a
lot
of
things
right
now.
Some
of
the
main
things
we're
working
on
are
we're
trying
to
create
emergency
food
preparedness
plans
with
four
neighborhoods
in
asheville,
shiloh,
south
side,
hall,
creek
and
east
end,
and
so
with
we're
working
with
residents
in
those
neighborhoods
to
come
up
with
a
neighborhood
template
that
we
can
use
for
each
of
them
and
up
for
plans
and
we're.
R
Also,
we've
created
an
informative
flyer
to
distribute
to
the
neighborhoods
talking
about
with
resources
that
are
available
in
an
emergency
situation.
R
We're
also
working
on
convening
a
committee
of
residents
right
now
to
decide
a
process
for
determining
reparations
recommendations
for
the
city
of
asheville.
This
is
a
huge
project
on
a
long
timeline,
but
we
are
hoping
to
come
up
with
that
process
for
determining
those
recommendations
within
the
next
couple
of
months
and
the
specifically
this.
R
This
committee
is
looking
at
food-related
harms
that
were
caused
to
communities
by
urban
renewal
policies
and
we're
also
working
with
the
city
on
considering
some
updates
to
the
asheville
edibles
map,
which
we're
it's
a
gis
platform
which
many
of
you
are
probably
familiar
with,
but
we're
looking
at
adding
community
gardens
we're
looking
at
the
crowd
source
nature
of
the
map
and
seeing
ways
we
can
maybe
streamline
it
and
make
it
work
better
for
folks
and
then
our
plan
is
hopefully
to
make
some
changes
and
then
relaunch
it
and
and
promote
that
that
launch
to
the
community.
R
So
and
my
my
presence
here
at
the
meetings
is
mainly
to
look
for
areas
of
collaboration,
so
potential
areas.
R
Yeah
well,
I'm
mainly
looking
for
potential
opportunities
to
to
do
edible
plantings
like
I've.
I've
met
with
dawn
to
talk
about
the
possibility
of
planting
edibles
in
the
haw
creek
community,
in
any
way
that
the
council
can
support
that
kind
of
thing.
I
would
love
to
to
meet
with
you
and
talk
about
it.
A
Okay,
sharon.
D
R
Yeah
good
question,
so
the
council
we're
actually
under
the
umbrella
of
bountiful
cities.
Bountiful
cities
is
our
fiscal
agent
and
we
we
work
under
that
umbrella
to
to
work
with
the
city.
We
do
have
a
contract
every
year
with
the
city
of
asheville,
with
specific
deliverables
related
to
food.
D
Basically,
you're
a
you're,
an
independent
contractor,
that's
contracted
through
the
city
to
help
in
these
areas.
Correct
and
your
contract,
then,
because
I
do
know
I'm
on
easton
valley,
neighborhood
association,
and
so
I
helped
with
our
stevens
leaf
vegetable
garden
over
there
yeah.
So
that's
bountiful
cities
also
is
doing
a
lot
of
that.
So
that's
how
you're
tied
in
is
with
those
people
there
as
well
right,
you're,
all
one
in
the
same.
I
Well,
hi
gina,
thanks
for
coming
to
talk
to
us
about
your
initiative.
It
does
sound
like
there's
some
areas
of
overlap
between
your
focus
and
yours,
and
so
we've
been
talking
about
a
little
bit
about
reparations
initiative
as
it
relates
to
urban,
canopy
and
so
and
urban
renewal
and,
of
course,
a
big
area
of
intersection.
There
is
the
loss
of
urban
canopy
in
the
poorest
neighborhoods
in
the
city
and
the
health
impacts.
I
That's
had
on
people
as
the
heat
island
effect
has
gotten
worse
and
worse
and
worse,
as
gentrification
accelerates,
you
know
moving
past
urban
renewal
to
gentrification
of
the
day.
You
know
it's
continuing
to
happen,
as
is
the
over
policing
problem
intersecting,
with
the
loss
of
tree
canopy
in
the
poorest
neighborhoods
in
asheville
further
exacerbating
that
problem.
I
So
I
think
when
you
talk
about
fashioning
reparations
recommendations
when
you
talk
about
edible
landscaping
and
you're
talking
to
the
urban
forestry
commission
at
the
same
time,
I'm
thinking
about
fruit
trees-
perhaps
you
know,
maybe
that's
one
sort
of
interim
step
to
start,
creating
more
shade
more
food
availability
in
those
neighborhoods.
I
Perhaps
there
could
be
funding
freed
up
through
the
city
through
the
reparations
initiative
that
could
go
towards
some
of
this
edible
shade,
shading,
edible
landscaping
that
could
be
happening
in
those
neighborhoods
and
don.
I
definitely
like
to
hear
what
you
think
about
that,
because
I
know
you've
been
you've
been
my
partner,
my
primary
partner
in
that
conversation,
so.
H
Yeah,
so
we
have
greenworks
has
partnered
with
the
housing
authority
for
the
most
part,
to
install
community
orchards
through
a
project
we
call
it
food
tree
project
and
having
fruit
bearing
trees.
You
know
like
service
berries
that
don't
require
a
lot
of
work
or
mulberries,
but
aren't
like
a
very
popular
fruit
bearing
or
fruit
that
people
eat
those
are
more
manageable.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
apples
which
take
a
lot
of
maintenance
and
attention
in
order
to
have
a
good
yield.
H
So
if
we
run
up
against
a
capacity
issue,
you
know
I
I
see
apples
as
kind
of
this
gateway
fruit,
because
it
once
you
get
apples
into
an
orchard,
you
can
introduce
other
fruits
and
gradually
get
people
exploring
different
ones,
but
the
other
trees
are
not
as
popular
for
for
neighborhoods
as
as
apples
are.
H
Another
thing
is
that
the
fruit
trees
don't
tend
to
be
shade,
trees,
they're
small
in
stature,
so
they
don't
provide
the
shading
for
sitting
under
or
shading
a
house
or
a
building
to
any
great
degree
as
a
taller
mature
tree
would
so
those
are
some
of
the
questions
we
work
with
schools
as
well,
and
we
have.
We
have
worked
with
shiloh
and
getting
fruit
trees
there
and
also
shade
trees,
yeah
I'll
just
I'll.
Just
leave
it
at
that.
It's
a
it's
a
high-intensity
effort
to
work
on
orchards
or
or
fruit
trees.
I
So
maybe
we
could,
we
could
get
on
board
with
some
lower
maintenance,
fruit,
trees,
making
more
sense
at
a
sort
of
systems
level
in
terms
of
the
follow-up
and
maintenance
that's
required,
but
gina.
Maybe
some
a
way
that
we
could
collaborate
and
put
our
energies
together
might
be
in
advocating
for
sort
of
a
combination,
approach
of
edible
fruit,
trees
and
shade
trees
being
sort
of
installed
together
across
the
city
and
some
of
these
neighborhoods,
and
that
would
sort
of
combine
our
missions
together.
C
H
But
I
will
say
that
the
city
does
have
a
lot
of
service
berries
planted
throughout
the
city
on
city
property
that
people,
you
know,
you'll
see
them
out
the
first
week
of
june
collecting
with
buckets
collecting
service,
berries,
so
yeah,
so
those
are
accessible
and
there
are
already
a
lot
of
them
throughout
town.
E
O
Oh,
no,
that
all
sounds
pretty
much
the
way
it
actually
is.
Yes,
the
the
service
berry
harvesters.
O
I
see
them
every
year
when
they
come
out,
usually
a
mom
and
a
small
child
or
something
so
you
know
as
long
as
we
can
keep
as
many
of
the
edibles
in
sort
of
a
centralized
location
where
somebody
can
go
to
and
not
be
standing
right
next
to
the
road
when
they're
gathering.
That's
that's
totally
ideal.
A
Good
all
right!
Well
thanks
gina
and
keep
us
in
mind.
You
know
we're
here
to
help
each
other,
if
you
think
of
ways
that
we
can
work
together
or
if
you
need
any
help-
or
you
know
consultation
from
this
group-
we're
happy
to
do
that.
R
Thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
it
and
parent
if,
if
you're
interested
in
attending
our
next
meeting
of
this
committee,
the
reparations
recommendations
committee
I
can,
I
can
include
you
in
those
communications.
A
Great
okay,
good
all
right,
so
next
on
the
agenda
is
a
brief
legislation.
Discussion
patrick
was
going
to
talk
to
us
about
some
of
the
upcoming
legislation.
I
believe
in
the
state
legislature.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
so
everyone
heard
steve
rasmussen's
statement
toward
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
so
I
just
will
amplify
a
bit
on
what
he
said.
B
The
bottom
line
effect
of
the
bills
would
prohibit
municipalities
and
or
local
governments
in
general,
from
enforcement
enforcing
single-family
zone
requirements.
B
The
bills
also
would
so
in
on
a
single
on
a
lot.
That's
zoned,
single-family
a
developer
could
build
a
duplex
triplex,
multiplex
or
townhouses,
and
there
would
be
nothing
that
the
city
could
do
about
that,
even
though
currently
that
would
violate
the
single-family
zoning
districts.
B
So,
in
addition,
the
bills
would
allow
the
construction
on
existing
single-family
lots
with
single-family
homes,
accessory
use,
structures
and
local
governments
would
be
prohibited
from
enforcing
any
restrictions
on
accessory
use
structures
such
as
such
as
parking
or
any
other
standards
related
to
water,
sewage,
etc.
B
So
the
reason
that
it's,
I
think
it's
important
for
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
discuss
these
two
bills-
is
that,
as
steve
said,
when
you
start
building
denser
developments,
housing
development
on
single
family
lots,
one
of
the
things
is
going
to
suffer
are
existing
trees.
B
And
you
know
I,
if
everyone
remembers
the
nasa
development
heat
island
study,
it
showed
that
single-family
communities
have
the
highest
density
of
tree
canopy.
B
The
a
lot
of
the
discussion
has
been
around
affordable
housing
and
I
think
we
all
understand
and
support
the
need
for
affordable
housing.
However,
this
is
really
a
draconian.
B
Measure
to
address
the
affordable
housing
needs
plus
it
should
really
be
left
up
to
local
governments
to
decide
how
it
wants
to
deal
with
making
provisions,
policies,
ordinances
to
increase
the
housing
stock
generally
or
increase,
affordable
housing
specifically,
and
also
for
local
governments.
To
then
weigh
the
balance
of
that
against
for
our
focus
against
the
loss
of
trees
and
tree
canopy.
B
So
with
that
I'll
open
it
up
for
any
comments
or
discussion
that
the
rest
of
the
members
would
like
to
to
make.
F
I
I
haven't
read
the
legislation,
but
what
it
comes
across
to
me
as
a
kind
of
a
single-minded
approach
to
density
density
has
its
place
and
density
is
needed
in
cities
in
certain
places,
but
we
got
to
walk
and
chew
gum.
At
the
same
time,.
F
We
need
to
improve
and
enhance
our
green
infrastructure
at
the
same
time
as
increasing
the
housing
stock
without
resorting
to
urban
sprawl.
So
it's
a
much
more
complicated
issue
than
comes
across
in
this
bill
to
me
from
the
way
it's
described,
and
for
that
reason
I
think
it's
a
problem.
It
kind
of
opens
the
door
to
just
densifying
everything,
rather
than
looking
at
a
more
planned
approach,
just
adaptable
to
certain
communities.
F
So
I
I
think
some
of
the
intention
is
probably
well-meaning.
I
just
don't
think
it
addresses
the
problem
as
a
whole.
The
way
way
you
describe
it
patrick
so
but
again
I
haven't
read
the
legislation,
but
it
seems
like
we.
We've
got
to
do
more
more
than
one
thing
at
a
time.
L
I
I
It's
anti-local
control,
so
it's
radically
anti-conservative
and
that
seems
like
an
effective
line
of
attack
against
it
that
they're
trying
to
take
away
local
control
from
local
communities
and
have
this
top
down
one-size-fits-all
prescription,
which
ultimately,
of
course,
would
profit
developers
more
across
the
board.
The
only
problem
is
the
quality
of
life
for
everybody
in
every
community
across
the
state.
So
I
think
you
know
attacking
so-called
conservative
initiatives
for
being.
Fundamentally.
Anti-Conservative
is
a
pretty
productive
and
salient
line
of
attack
for
these
kinds
of
trojan
horses.
I
So
I
I
would
just
you
know,
patrick
I
don't
know
if
you're
involved
in
sort
of
take
making
a
position
statement
about
it
or
or
what
have
you.
B
Yeah,
so
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods
has
taken
a
position
on
these
two
bills,
which
I
wrote
and
we
sent.
We
sent
our
position
and
the
letter
to
each
member
of
the
city
council,
along
with
the
mayor,
the
city
manager
and
the
city
attorney.
B
We
sent
those
same
correspondence
to
the
our
local
state
representatives
in
in
raleigh,
as
well
as
to
the
governor.
So
you
know
I.
I
can
easily
adopt
a
statement
that
we
that
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods
came
up
with.
I
will
also
state
the
status
of
the
bill.
B
I
had
some
email
exchanges
from
julie
mayfield,
who
at
one
point,
said
that
every
bill
introduced
into
the
general
assembly
first
goes
into
a
rules
committee,
and
then
it
comes
out
of
that
rules
committee,
primarily
if
there's
consensus
among
the
republican
caucus
and
the
legislature
because
they
control
it,
and
then
it
goes
into
the
relative
committee
for
hearings
for
a
vote
and
then
onto
the
floor
of
the
respective
chamber.
B
However,
I
discovered
several
days
ago
that
the
bill
has
been
moved
out
and
has
been
referred
to
the
senate
finance
committee,
and
I
alerted
julie
about
that
and
she
was
quite
alarmed
because
she
was
convinced
that
it
wasn't
going
to
go
anywhere.
B
So
obviously
the
republican
caucus
has
reached
some
kind
of
consensus
in
the
bill
is
now
moving
through
the
committee
and
chamber
approval
process.
So.
L
B
That's
okay,
so
I
think
that
you
know
time
is
is
of
an
essence
here,
and
you
know
I.
I
would
like
to
propose
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
write
a
letter
opposing
senate
bill,
349
and
house
bill
401,
and
I
can
come
up
with
the
specific
language
on
that
and
have
that
sent
to
our
local
legislative
representatives
in
raleigh,
as
well
as
to
governor
cooper.
A
Sorry
I
want
to
get
clarification
that
that's
an
appropriate
step
for
this
group
being
advisory
to
our
city
council.
You
know
obviously
we're
citizens
of
our
state
as
well
and
we
can
take
action
as
private
citizens
through
groups
like
the
coalition
of
national
neighborhoods.
That's
the
group
that
is
a
community
group
and
not
a
city
council
commission.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
city
staff
here
that
can
advise
us.
I
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
for
this
group
to
write
a
letter
for
or
against
a
statewide
bill.
So
we
get
some
clarification.
F
There
I
would
have
the
same
question.
However.
The
city
has
taken
an
approach,
I
believe,
is
still
on
this
track
of
an
urban
center's
approach
to
increasing
density
in
urban
centers,
which
makes
a
lot
more
sense
to
me.
Even
though
there
are
details
of
that
that
need
to
be
worked
out,
so
it
would
fly
a
counter
to
our
whole
planning
initiative.
F
Yeah
kim
might
give
us
an
idea
too,
and-
and
I
I
think,
I'm
not
sure
I
I
think
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods
is
probably
the
where
the
letter
should
come
from.
Maybe
we
support
it
somehow,
if
that's
a
problem.
Q
A
You
know
the
sierra
club,
you
know,
other
groups
can
certainly
have
a
say
in
this
and
again
any
of
us
as
citizens
can
make
our
voice
known
as
well.
J
This
is
kim
amy.
I
think
that
you're
on
track
there,
and
it
certainly
wouldn't
hurt
to
advise
counsel,
to
take
a
position
and
to
offer
your
own
personal
suggestions
as
residents
and
neighbors.
F
Maybe
our
our
maybe
we
submit
something
to
counsel
an
opinion
to
counsel.
Maybe
that
would
be
do.
E
A
Have
time
to
do
something
in
writing
for
next
meeting
or
do
we
need
to
work
on
this
now
for
time.
B
Well,
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
you
know
once
once,
hearings
are
scheduled
and
a
committee
takes
a
vote.
Things
move
pretty
rapidly
through
through
the
legislature.
B
I
Yeah,
I
everything
that's
been
said,
makes
sense
to
me.
I
think
our
only
option
is
really
to
urge
city
council
to
chime
in
about
the
bill
sort
of
on
our
behalf,
but
yeah
to
the
extent
that
and
and
maybe
we
can
vote
on.
I
I
I
also,
though,
want
to
encourage
you,
patrick,
because
you're
already
plugged
in
through
can
on
this
issue
to
harp
on
the
phrase
local
control
as
much
as
you
can.
The
pro-development
democrats
in
the
legislature,
who
are
already
on
board
are
probably
just
going
to
be
on
board
regardless
at
this
point,
but
you
want
to
stoke
division
within
the
republican
caucus
on
this
and.
L
B
So
with
with
all
that
discussion,
I
will
make
a
motion
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
send
a
resolution
to
the
city
council
with
copies
to
the
city
manager
and
the
city
attorney,
asking
them
to
oppose
senate
bill
349
in
house
bill
401,
and
I
can
I'll
be
glad
to
write
the
resolution.
B
What,
whatever,
the
whatever
the
commission
members
think,
is
appropriate.
I
Well,
patrick,
my
concern
is
that
we
might
not
have
time
to
write
something
and
vote
on
it
later,
but
because
this
could
just
you
know,
this
is
the
type
of
thing
they'll
try
to
sneak
through
in
the
middle
of
the
night
on
a
vote.
So
I
think
if
we
can
just
now
and
get
it
in
the
minutes,
perhaps
we
could
send
a
letter
to
city
council
to
reinforce
the
message
if
you
could
draft
that
that
that
might
be
the
most
efficient
time
efficient
way
to
deal
with
this
right.
C
So
so
we
do
then,
is
vote
that
we
are
making
a
recommendation
to
city
council
to
oppose
the
proposed
legislation.
B
Okay,
so
I
move
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
recommend
to
the
asheville
city
council
that
it
oppose
the
enactment
of
senate
bill
349
and
house
bill
401.
B
F
I
I
have
a
question:
patrick:
does
your
work
with
can
in
the
letter
state
why
your
wise
does
it
go
into
reasons,
in
other
words,
the
idea
that
this
is
going
to
cause
problems
with
green
infrastructure
and
that
sort
of
thing,
I
think,
I
think,
needs
to
be
brought
forward.
That
steve.
F
B
Well,
I
thought
that
parent's
suggestion
is
that
we
vote
on
the
emotion
suggesting
to
the
city
council
that
they
use
whatever
means
possible
to
oppose
these
two
bills,
and
then
we
would
write
a
letter
right.
B
I'll
be
glad
to
talk
with
steve
on
some
language.
On
that
the
the
can
statement
did
not
get
into
green
infrastructure.
B
We
focus
mostly
on
local
control,
and
you
know
the
fact
that,
in
terms
of
increasing
housing,
stock
and
affordable
housing
that
that's
best
left
to
local
governments
to
decide
based
on
their
specific
conditions
on
the
ground,
okay,
but
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
glad
to
incorporate
whatever.
I
think
you
would
suggest.
B
A
C
A
E
B
Okay,
I
also,
I
think
that
both
steve
rasmussen
and
ed
mentioned
senate
bill
436,
which
was
introduced
by
senator
julie,
mayfield
and
senator
mike
woodard
of
raleigh.
B
This
bill
would
allow
municipalities
and
counties
to
enact
tree
protection
ordinances
without
requiring
the
local
authority
approval
of
the
general
assembly.
So
I
don't
know
if
the.
If
the
members
want
to
have
any
discussion
on
that
or
we
just
keep
an
eye
on
it,.
A
G
F
A
A
And
we
can
get
out
of
bounds
and
get
our
hands
left,
but
you
know
we'll
carefully
get
out
of
bounds
as
needed.
So
last
thing
on
our
new
business
item.
Here
is
a
brief
discussion.
Just
an
overview
of
the
urban
place,
udo
amendment.
This
is
something
that
I
believe
is
upcoming
through
council,
so
patrick,
I
think
you
had
a
little
information
on
that
one.
B
Yeah,
so
the
city
has
come
up
with
a
proposed
urban
space
forum
district
ordinance,
and
that
is
about
to
go
through
the
the
various
stages
of
approval
in
the
city.
B
They've
been
developing
this
for
at
least
a
couple
years,
and
I
believe
well,
no,
let
me
let
me
back
up
so
the
the
another
coalition
of
ashland
neighborhoods
has
entered
in
some
two
recent
discussions
with
the
city
department
of
planning
about
the
language
two
pieces
of
this
proposed
ordinance
that
would
affect
what
we
do
on
the
urban
forestry
commission
is
that
it
would
exempt
building
impact
trees
from
that
provision.
B
It
would
also
allow,
under
certain
certain
circumstances,
the
reduction
of
buffers
which
would
include
trees,
and
so
I
just
bring
this
up
to
to
the
as
an
fyi
to
the
urban
forestry
commission.
The
urban
center
urban
place.
I'm
sorry
proposals
would
be
zoning
district
zoning
changes
in
phase
one
of
this.
There
are
three
areas,
one
on
merriman
avenue
where
the
fresh
market
is
one
on
tunnel
road
near
the
office
depot
and
one
on
bleachery
boulevard
near
the
walmarts,
and
these
are
mixed
use.
B
Developments
generally
on
sites
that
are
already
zoned
commercial
or
industrial,
and
they
would
provide
for
both
retail
and
residential
components
of
the
of
these
projects,
and
it's
in
response
to,
I
think,
an
initiative
through
the
comprehensive
plan
of
planning
for
higher
density
developments
along
trans
major
transportation
routes.
B
B
Particularly
since
you
know
every
tree
possible
that
we
could
get
on
these
projects
would
help
again
mitigate
the
heat
island
effect
and
provide
an
overall,
better
environment
for
not
only
the
residents
who
would
live
there,
but
also
for
people
who
would
be
frequenting
the
retail
stores.
That
would
be
part
of
this
project.
F
The
the
approach,
the
general
approach
of
the
urban
centers,
I
think,
is
not
a
bad
thing.
Is
it's
densifying
in
certain
areas?
It's
very
low
tree
canopy
cover
there
now
most
of
the
in
most
of
those
spots.
F
It
is
a
concern
how
it's
written
and
how
we
get
a
canopy
coverage
there.
I
think
we
ed-
and
I
worked
on
it
a
little
bit
with
the
city
and
just
as
a
general
idea,
something
like
a
minimum.
25
percent
canopy
cover
for
those
areas
which
would
be
a
huge
increase
from
what's
there
now,
but
I
think
we
can
improve
it
more
than
that.
I
think
we
need
to
be
involved
in
it.
B
B
So
unless
someone
from
the
city
has
different
information.
D
Sharon
go
ahead,
yeah
the
current
tree,
canopy
protection
ordinance
allows
for
no
using
building
impact.
Trees
is
credit,
so
if
we
have
an
area
of
established,
trees
and
building
impact,
trees
are
required.
They
can
use
what's
existing
towards
their
building
impact
trees.
Now
so
the
response
from
the
city
on
urban
centers
or
urban
place
is
the
correct
name.
Is
that
well
they're
going
to
allow
for
the
tree?
Canopy
protection,
ordinance
amendment
and
so
therefore,
building
impact
trees
are
part
of
how
it's
applied
anyway
for
7-eleven
three.
D
So
what
my
suggestion
is
and-
and
I
think
patrick's
as
well-
is
that
their
harleen
as
steve
said,
there's
hardly
any
trees
in
these
areas
anyway,
so
they'll
have
to
do
a
fee
and
lou
to
meet
the
requirement,
and
then
we
would
like
to
see
building
impact
trees
be
part
of
the
requirement,
but
as
it
is
stands
now,
if
you
have
existing
trees
in
719
one,
then
you
can
use
those
existing
trees
as
credit
for
building
impact.
A
F
Well,
I
think
we
need
to
put
this
into
a
working
group.
You
know
one
of
our
existing
working
groups.
Perhaps
I
don't
know
whether
it
fits
an
open
space
or
not,
but.
B
Well,
look
at
this
yeah
at
this
point.
The
ordinance
language
is
scheduled
to
go
to
the
council
to
the
p
e
committee.
B
I
believe
it's
next
week
and
then
to
the
planning
zoning
in
june
and
then
I
think,
to
the
city
council
for
a
public
hearing
in
july
and
either
a
vote
in
the
city
council
in
july
or
august.
That's
the
that's
the
timetable
as
as
it
stands
right
now,.
C
Is
there
a
way
that
we
could
see
a
copy
of
the
language?
Maybe
the
policy
committee
should
review
it
and
look
for
tragic
flaws.
A
B
I
can
send
that
language
to
you
and
I
can
also
we've
been
working
on
some
changes
to
that
language
and
whether
or
not
there's
time
for
we've
requested
another
meeting
with
planning
to
discuss
those.
Whether
or
not
there's
time
for
that.
I
guess
we'll
see,
but
I
can
send
all
that
to
the
to
the
policy
working
group.
C
A
Well,
either
way,
if
it
hasn't
gone
for
final
vote,
you
know
what
you
can
pitch
if
you
can
get
a
meeting,
I
ideally
with
whoever's
working
on
this
with
city
staff
would
be
basically
you're
representing
community
voices
that
are
going
to
come
up
when
they
have
public
input
anyway.
So
getting
some
of
these
ideas
in
now
will
ideally
help
alleviate
community
concerns
over
this
issue
in
the
future.
So
that's
what
I
would
pitch
to
city
staff
as
far
as
getting
some
of
these
ideas
and
issues
in
on
you
know
before
it
gets
too
far.
F
A
O
Are
there
any
questions
regarding
updates
for
pubcorks,
tree
crew
and
planting
and
so
forth?.