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From YouTube: Neighborhood Advisory Committee, September 26, 2022
Description
Monthly meeting of the Neighborhood Advisory Committee. In person at Asheville City Hall.
A
A
The
committee
said
consists
of
line
members
all
appointed
by
the
city
council,
with
the
representation
from
specific
Community
sectors,
membership
in
residents
of
the
city
or
the
city's
extra
territorial
zoning
jurisdiction
and
shall
reflect
the
social
and
economic
diversity
of
Asheville.
The
term
of
office
is
three
years
number
one
develop
rules
and
bylaws
for
the
conducts
of
his
business,
including,
but
not
limited
to
meeting
schedules.
A
We're
all
here.
Live
we've
been
doing
virtual,
so
some
of
us
have
not
seen
each
other
before,
but
we're
here
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
world
call
and
I'll.
Let
each
person
tell
you
who
they
are:
I
am
the
chair
and
I
represent
28803
and
28704,
which
would
Compass
Shiloh
and
some
parts
of
art
in
that
area.
A
Kim
Roney,
who
is
Al
liaison
from
the
city
council.
She
will
be
here
as
expected
time
in
maybe
30
minutes
and
we're
glad
to
have
Ken
Putnam
from
a
transportation
with
traffic
and
calming
policy
and
process
and
Sasha
patusky
and
Ricky
Hurley
from
community
and
economic
development,
affordable
housing,
division,
mobile
home,
ordinance
change.
That's
a
mouthful.
C
A
A
So
we
have
a
motion
by
Wendy
and
a
second
by
Peter
is:
are
there
any
questions?
If
not
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote?
Sharon.
E
B
G
A
Elise
aye
Lucius,
aye
Carl
hi
did
I
miss
anyone,
Wendy
Wendy,
okay,
I
and
myself.
I
saw
this
approved.
Isn't
it
just
kind
of
review
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting
and
if
there's
anything
that
you
have
any
questions
about
or
if
there's
something
that
should
not
be
on
there
just
kind
of
briefly
just
look
over
it
for
a
few
minutes
and
let
me
know
and
then
we'll
go
on
from
there,
because
we
don't
have
to
make
a
motion
on
that.
A
H
H
Would
be
happy
to
do
that
so
hi
everybody,
I'm,
Christina,
Israel,
I'm,
the
community
engagement
manager,
it's
so
nice
to
see
you
all
in
person
tonight
and
I
have
very
Glad
Tidings
to
share
that.
We
have
hired
our
new
neighborhood
services,
specialist
and
she's
sitting
right
here
and
so
I
wanted
to
give
Meredith
a
chance
to
just
introduce
herself
to
you
all
and
let
you
make
all
of
your
neighborhoods
aware
that
she's
here
and
she's
here
to
support
all
of
you.
So.
G
Thank
you,
Christina
I'm,
Meredith,
friedheim
and
I'm
very
excited
to
start
in
this
position.
This
is
my
second
week
and
it
was
an
exciting
first
week.
I
am
an
Asheville
resident
and
live
in
28801,
South,
French,
Broad,
neighborhood
and
yeah.
That's
about
it
so
excited
to
be
here.
I
A
Okay,
so
let's
go
to
the
unfinished
business
neighborhood
volunteer
is:
did
we
finally
close
that
up?
Are
we
still
working
on
that?
No.
F
It
was
actually
done
by
three
of
us
and
Mike
wasmer
on
myself
and
Christina
and
Elizabeth,
and
there
were
two
people
that
we
there
were
a
total
of
five
on
the
applications
and
of
the
five.
We
have
chosen
two
we're
going
to
leave
the
other
three
on
and
we
would
like
to
go
back
to
the
people
that
represented
them
and
ask
for
more
information
about
them
and
how
they
have
helped
their
neighborhoods,
because
it
was
kind
of
vague,
the
information
that
they
put
forth.
F
So
we
have
two
candidates
that
we
are
proposing
for
our
volunteer
Spotlight
and
the
first
one
is
Lee
Arvin
and
the
other
one
is
Mike.
Did
you
catch
his
last
name?
Michael
Stratton.
H
H
Third,
one
was
Angela
Young,
so
geographically
Michael
stratton's
with
in
the
Oakley
neighborhood
and
Lee
Arabians
in
Grove,
Park,
sunset,
Mountain
and
Angela
young
is
in
Hillcrest.
So
we
wanted
to
Spotlight
all
three
of
those
folks
for
this
first
quarterly
spotlight.
A
F
B
A
A
You
can
do
all
three
yeah,
so
that
means
that,
like
I
said
it's
something
that
would
talk
about
it
in
Retreat,
because
then
we've
only
been
able
to
Spotlight
one
in
the
past.
So
that
was
something
that
we'll
talk
about
next
month.
H
F
F
A
Business
we
do
have
our
guest
and
so
we're
going
and
we've
made
sure
that
we
want
to
give
you
plenty
of
time
so
that
you
could
tell
us
everything
that
we
needed
to
know
and
if
we
did
not
know
something
we'll
be
able
to
add
something
shorten
down
our
time
so
that
we
know
it's
time
conscious
and
everybody
so
we're
gonna.
So
Ken
Putnam
are
you
gonna,
go
first
sure
all
right?
A
J
A
J
Big
great
news
is
certainly
having
Meredith
on
board
and
we're
really
happy
to
be
fully
staffed.
It's
been
in
a
real
stretch,
these
last
two
years,
so
I
know
she's
hit
the
ground
running
and
she's
got
an
amazing
guide
and
she
really
gets
settled
into
her
new
position
and
Christina
who
also
not
too
long
ago.
It's
the
ground
running
and
then
just
look
forward
to
giving
some
updates
on
the
Arca
project.
J
The
accessible
and
inclusive
government
project
at
the
council
at
The,
Knack
Retreat
here
in
a
month
so
still
working
on
pulling
that
together
and
we're
we're
scoping
that
out
we'll
have
some
great
information
to
share
with
you
all
and
hopefully
get
some
good
input
on
how
Nat
can
stay
plugged
into
that
effort.
K
I
hate
to
make
you
get
up
and
down
like.
Thank
you
good
evening.
Everybody.
My
name
is
Ken
Putnam
and
I'm.
The
director
of
the
transportation
department
and
tonight
I
just
want
to
share
some
information
with
you
all
about
the
traffic
calming
policy.
I
want
to
try
to
keep
it
informal
and
and
at
the
end,
I'll
be
glad
to
answer
any
any
questions.
K
But
the
city
has
had
a
traffic
calming
policy
since
2004,
and
this
is
for
the
it's-
the
neighborhood
traffic
common
policy,
it's
only
applicable
to
residential
streets,
whether
it's
a
local
Street
or
collector
Street,
and
that
happens
to
be
most
of
the
streets
that
we
have
in
the
city.
We
maintain
a
little
over
400
miles
of
streets
and
the
majority
of
those
would
be
residential.
K
Then
the
policy
was
changed
a
little
bit
in
2008
and
the
city
council
decided
at
that
time.
In
order
to
acknowledge
that
we
had
limited
resources
so
to
try
to
get
this
policy
out
to
all
the
neighborhoods
that
we
could,
they
decided
to
say
limit
the
traffic
common
devices
to
only
speed,
humps
or
speed
cushions,
and
that
could
either
be
the
asphalt
ones
that
we
typically
use
and
you've
probably
seen
them
on
some
of
the
streets.
Or
it
could
be
the
boat
down
kind
that
have
been
tested
in
other
areas.
K
The
policy
is
very
specific
about
what
streets
it
can
cover.
So
one
of
the
things
there's
a
couple
triggers
that
have
to
occur
once
we
do.
A
study
and
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
in
a
minute,
but
once
we
do
a
study
and
determine
what
the
85th
percentile
speed
is
and
what
that
is,
that
means
85
percent
of
the
cars
driving
up
and
down
the
road
are
going
at
a
certain
speed
or
slower.
K
If
that
speed
is
more
than
five
miles
higher
than
the
speed
limit,
then
that
criteria
would
allow
us
to
go
to
the
next
step
to
see
if
speed,
humps
or
speed
cushions
would
be
wanted.
Another
criteria,
because
there's
two
reasons
that
you
put
in
traffic
calming
you
either
want
to
slow
people
down,
or
you
want
to
try
to
encourage
cut
through
traffic
to
use
a
different
Road
and
not
your
residential
street.
K
K
We
used
to
have
a
40
petition,
so
once
we
get
a
request,
we'd
have
to
do
a
petition
of
the
affected
residence
and
say
we
got
a
request
to
study
this
street
for
traffic
calming.
Do
you
agree
with
that?
Do
you
want
us
to
move
forward
and
at
40
percent
or
more
of
the
people
said
yes
and
would
move
forward,
but
that
that's
been
taken
away?
We
city
council
changed
that
in
2014,
so
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
that
one
anymore.
K
But
when
we
get
to
the
point
where
traffic
devices
are
warranted,
then
there
has
to
be
a
60
petition
to
move
to
the
construction
phase.
So
a
petition
is
set
up,
we
set
it
up,
we
create
it
and
then
we
just
asked
the
neighborhood
to
go
out
and
get
the
signatures
and
all
they
have
to
do
is
get
60
percent
of
the
people
to
sign
it,
and
then
we
can
move
forward
with
that
and.
D
K
Another
thing
that
was
added
to
2014
is
that
if
we
get
to
that
point
and
the
residents
want
to
pay
for
part
of
the
construction
phase
to
make
sure
it's
going
to
happen,
then
we
we
can
do
that.
But
we've
got
right
now.
We've
got
the
money
to
take
care
of
the
ones
that
we
can
get
into
that
far.
So
that's
we
haven't
had
to
do
that
with
any
neighborhood
yet
now
to
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
on
the
process
and
this
policy
is
easily
available
on
the
website.
K
Now.
What
triggers
this
is.
The
transportation
department
will
receive
a
request.
Most
of
the
time
we
get
it
through
email.
There's
other
means
phone
calls
so
forth,
but
you
see
it's
an
email
it
doesn't.
It
can
be
for
one
person
or
a
group
of
people
and
that's
what
triggers
it
so
we'll
look
at
that
request.
We'll
look
at
the
street
whatever
street
it
was
we'll
make
sure.
Have
we
done
this
study
before
or
is
this
a
first
time
will
will
schedule
the
count?
Will
you
do
it?
We
do
traffic
counts
and
a
speed
study.
K
At
the
same
time,
it's
a
72-hour
study
that
we
do
most
of
the
time
we
do
it
on
a
Tuesday,
Wednesday
and
Thursday.
So
it's
consecutive
we're
trying
to
find
72
hours
in
a
row
that
we
can
get
all
that
information
on
how
many
cars
are
going
up
and
down
the
road
each
hour
is
broken
out
and
how
fast
are
they
going?
K
One
of
the
things
that
we
can
do
with
that
report
is
we
can
share
it
with
the
police
department
and
say:
hey
here's
a
street
that
we
see
that
there's
a
concentration
of
speeders
at
three
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
on
a
Wednesday
and
then,
even
though
they
have
limited
resources,
they
then
more
easily.
Send
someone
there
on
a
Wednesday
at
three
o'clock
rather
than
trying
to
cover
the
whole
72-hour
period
of
time.
K
Now
that's
the
way
we
typically
do
it.
It
depends
on
the
street
and
the
conditions
and
so
forth.
So
some
a
group
of
people
may
say
to
us.
Well,
the
speeding
problem
is
more
prevalent
on
the
weekends,
so
we
can
adjust
that
and
do
the
study
like
a
Friday,
Saturday
and
Sunday.
So
we
work
individually
with
each
request
on
that.
K
K
If
a
street
is
not
posted,
then
that
automatically
means
the
speed
limit
is
35
anywhere
in
the
city,
most
of
the
signs
that
we
have
posted
in
the
residential
area,
residential
areas.
Most
of
that
speed
limit
is
25
miles
an
hour
and
there
are
others
that
are
20
miles
an
hour,
but
those
are
the
usually
25
is
what
we
land
on.
But
again
it's
all
based
on
the
conditions
along
the
road.
We
we
look
at
not
only
the
traffic
counts,
but
how
many
driveways
there
are,
how
many
intersections
there
might
be.
K
K
So
once
we
get
to
that
point
and
we're
still
moving
forward
and
another
check,
and
we
do
this
early
on
in
the
process
now
we're
always
going
to
get
the
counts,
because
we
like
to
keep
a
record
of
all
the
traffic
counts
and
the
speeds
on
a
given
road.
So
we
can
go
back
in
time
and
and
look
and
see
how
many
times
we've
done
it
before
and
is
the
traffic
growing
or
is
it
staying
stabilized?
K
But
we
also
look
at
the
grade
of
the
road.
Is
the
road
flat
can't
find
too
many
of
those
in
Asheville
right?
But
how
steep
is
the
grade?
And
if
this
is
the
steepness
of
the
grade,
is
more
than
eight
percent?
That's
a
major
red
flag
and
in
most
cases
we
can't
proceed
with
a
speed,
hump
or
a
speed
cushion
because
it
would
cause
other
safety
issues
and
even
drainage
issues.
K
But
let's
assume
we
get
past
all
that.
The
final
step
that
we
do
before
we
could
get
to
the
petition
process
would
be
go
to
the
fire
department.
They
have
to
analyze
it
and
tell
us
if
their
standard
of
coverage
and
responding
to
calls
is
going
to
be
negatively
impacted
or
not,
and
there
was
a
time
when
we
started
this
many
streets.
It
did
not
affect
the
standard
of
coverage,
but
and
what
that
means
is
how
fast
does
the
fire
department
respond
to
a
9-1-1
call
and
a
lot
of
times?
K
We
automatically
think
it's
they're
going
to
a
fire.
No
most
of
their
car
calls
they're
going
to
a
medical
emergency.
So
time
is
of
the
essence.
So
if
they
give
us
the
green
light,
so
to
speak,
that
says,
their
standard
of
coverage
is
fine
on
this
road.
It
won't
be
impacted,
then
we
can
move
forward
with
a
speed
hump.
K
If
they
come
back
and
say
it's
negatively
impacted,
then
we
can
move
forward
with
a
speed
cushion
and
the
difference
is
the
speed.
Hump
goes
across
the
entire
Road
from
pavement
Edge
to
Pavement
Edge
and
everybody
in
both
directions
would
slow
down
the
speed
cushion
is
instead
of
having
one
that
goes
all
the
way
across.
There
are
two
smaller
ones
in
each
lane
so
that
the
fire
truck
can
stay
to
the
right
and
straddle
that
they
won't.
They
won't
slow
them
down
at
all,
but
a
car,
even
if
they
tried
to
straddle
it.
K
One
set
one
side
of
their
car
is
going
to
be
up
and
not
we
don't
have
too
many
streets
with
these
devices,
and
yet
we've
got
a
contract.
That's
going
to
start,
probably
in
two
weeks
that
all
four
streets
or
speed
cushions
and
we're
going
to
see
how
well
that
works,
and
we
get
the
fire
department
to
test
them
out
for
us.
K
So
once
we
get
that
60
petition
and
and
like
I
say
we
prepare
it
for
you,
so
that
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
that.
We
give
a
spokesperson
on
that
street,
a
copy
of
it
that
can,
and
if
it's
more
than
one
page,
you
know
they
could
break
it
apart
and
pass
it
out.
We
had
one
Riverview
Drive
several
years
ago
that
had
125
homes
that
had
to
be
contacted
and
they
did
it
in
one
weekend.
K
So
it's
something
that
could
do
a
lot
of
them,
though
you
you're,
there's,
probably
20
properties.
You
have
to
go
to,
or
maybe
50
or
something
like
that,
but
we've
set
that
up.
For
you
even
give
you
a
little
map
show
you
where
the
the
speed
hump
of
the
speed
cushion
is
going
to
be.
So
when
you
talk
to
your
neighbor,
you
can
just
show
them
show
them
that
we
can
provide
additional
copies
as
well,
and
then
we
get
a
list
of
them
and
we're
trying
to
do
at
least
one
traffic
calming
project.
K
Every
year,
I
haven't
looked
at
the
price
of
this
latest,
one
that
we're
doing
we
know
what's
higher
because
of
what's
been
going
on
with
the
prices
all
around,
but
we
got
back
a
local
contractor.
That's
done
it
before,
so
we're
very
confident
that
the
work's
going
to
happen
very
good
and
very
professionally.
Once
it
goes
to
contract.
K
This
whole
contract
with
the
four
different
streets
will
probably
be
done
if
the
weather
holds
in
two
weeks
or
less.
Where
is
that
going
to
be
done?
One
of
them's
on
Stoner
Road
in
Oakley,
another
one
is
Mitchell
Avenue
in
West
Asheville
and
then
the
other
two
are
in
the
client.cline
dot
dot
Klondike
community
at
the
end
of
Montford.
B
Thank
you
for
coming
out
and
helping
us
on
MLK
with
the
traffic
coming
strips
to
count
for
our
analysis.
Have
you
done
that
yet
I
don't
run
up
and
down.
K
Mlk
that
much
I'll
have
to
check
for
you
on
that.
I
know
that
you
had
sent
the
information
in
I.
Do
remember
that
and
let
me
send
you
an
email
and
just
as
always,
yes,
that'd
be
great.
K
B
K
And
now
digress
for
just
a
second,
the
the
the
traffic
signal
at
the
end
of
South
Charlotte
and
Martin
Luther
King.
That's
proceeding
well
at
city
council
first
meeting
in
October.
They
will
approve
the
agreement
for
the
D.O.T,
will
review
the
plans
and
be
ready
to
do
the
inspection
work
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
move
to
the
construction
phase.
Thank
you
so
much
yes,
ma'am!
Yes,.
F
G
F
Park
from
Beaver
Lake,
they
are
really
up
at
Arms
they're,
finding
ways
to
get
around
Merriman
they're
going
to
do
a
lot
of
shortcuts.
One
of
them
is
going
to
be
Edgewood
Road,
another
one's
going
to
be
farwood
Road,
another
one
is
Evelyn
and
the
other
one
is
Graceland
and
they're
going
to
be
converging
back
on
to
Kimberly
and
trying
to
get
off
of
the
diet,
because
there's
a
lot
of
areas
where
the
road
is
going
to
be
really
tight.
F
Where
you've
got
Ace
Hardware
you've
got
the
ABC
Store.
You
have
Wells
Fargo,
you
have
turning
onto
Lakeshore
Drive
these.
All
these
areas
are
really
very,
very
congested
as
we
are
at
the
present
time,
and
the
neighborhoods
associations
in
these
areas
are
feeling
that
this
is
just
going
to
push
more
traffic
into
these
neighborhoods
to
try
to
get
away
from
the
Deluge
that's
happening
on
Merriman
and
I
wanted
to
know.
How
is
that
going
to
be
addressed?
F
Are
you
going
to
start
looking
at
the
road
diets
on
all
these
individual
little
roads
like
firewood
and
Graceland,
and
even
though
we've
got
some
of
them
already
in
place?
We're
going
to
have
to
have
more
because
the
traffic
is
going
to
be
heavier
I
I'm.
Just
really
very.
F
These
people
are
very
concerned
about
this
and
they
feel,
like
the
bicycles
already
have
Kimberly,
and
why
do
they
need
Merriman
to
make
this
happen,
and
these
are
just
questions
that
are
coming
up
in
discussions
as
on
other
people
are
calling
Midland
Road
at
the
beginning
of
Beaver
Lake
to
Weaver
Boulevard,
that's
a
long
stretch
of
area,
that's
a
huge
I
mean
they're,
even
they're,
concerned
about
luella's,
barbecue
and
Coleman
Avenue
and
and
going
down
to
WT
Weaver.
F
How
are
you
going
to
be
able
to
do
that
with
one
lane
in
the
center,
and
hopefully
there's
not
another
car
coming
in
another
car
going
the
other
way
and
then
there's
going
to
be
lots
of
wrecks,
and
this
is
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
are
you
going
to
address
all
this
is?
Is
this
is
just
going
to
be
a
a
mess.
K
But
these
the
same,
the
the
grow
diet
is
really
not
about
bike
Lanes.
The
road
diet
is
a
proven
measure
to
improve
safety
on
the
road
for
all
users
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
because
of
city
council
policy
and
direction
is
we're
trying
to
make
our
roads
usable
for
all
users,
pedestrians,
Transit,
icicles
cars,
and-
and
so
that's
that's
that
premise.
Now
this
is
a
partnership
with
the
D.O.T
and
the
City
of
Asheville,
because
Merriman
Avenue
is
a
D.O.T
Road,
it's
a
U.S
Highway.
K
You
may
have
seen
traffic
counter
tubes
and
so
forth
out.
You
may
have
seen
people
out
counting
intersections.
The
D.O.T
is
getting
a
lot
of
before
data
so
that
we
can
compare
it
to
the
after
data
when
the
road
is
completed.
We're
doing
the
same
thing.
We're
getting
counts
on
Kimberly
this
week,
just
to
give
us
a
baseline
we've
done
other
intersections
I
know:
we've
done
firewood,
I,
believe
we've
done
Edgewood
already.
K
We've
done
at
least
I'm,
not
sure
if
Grayson's
been
done
or
not,
but
we're
we're
trying
to
get
all
that
we
can
on
that
to
see.
What's
going
to
change
now,
I
will
say
that
anytime,
something
else
is
done.
It's
a
change.
There
is
a
period
of
time
that
everybody
will
have
to
get
used
to
what's
going
on
and
I,
don't
know
how
long
that'll
take,
but
we're
all
prepared
to
try
to
address
it.
But
that's
why
the
approach
that
we're
taking
this
was
not
something
that
we
just
decided
to
do
on.
F
A
win,
so
two
things
came
to
my
attention.
One
of
them
was
pertaining
to
Charlotte
Street,
where
the
road
diet
is
already
in
place.
A
18-wheeler
could
not
move
into
Jetta
Rays
to
unload
or
the
taco
shop
and
they've
ended
up
parking.
F
F
Another
thing
that
we
had
recently
is
the
multi-modal
they
had
asked
for
someone
to
come
and
sit
at
Kimberly
and
Evelyn
and
where
their
watching
the
traffic
and
the
cars
that
are
running
the
red
lights
and
the
number
of
bicycles
that
are
coming
through
that
area.
And
they
wanted
to
find
out
if
there
was
a
way
for
North,
Carolina.
I,
realized
and
I've
tried
to
explain
it
that
it's.
The
state
has
to
approve
this.
F
But
they
are
really
looking
at
putting
cameras
in
for
a
speed,
help
the
police
in
some
way
to
catch
the
ones
that
are
running
these
red
lights
and
speeding,
especially
on
Kimberly
and
Evelyn,
and
the
gentleman
that
was
working
with
the
multimodal
committee.
He
was
sitting
there
and
he
had
a
huge
now,
a
graph
paper
and
checking
up
all
this.
That
was
happening
with
the
bicycles
in
the
cars
and
the
number
of
cars
they're
concerned
about
the
cars
running
red
lights,
because
the
bicycles
are
coming
through
and.
E
F
D
F
It's
very
concerning
for
our
ZIP
code
of
28804
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
this
was
a
perfect
opportunity
to
bring
this
to
your
attention.
K
C
K
Absolutely,
no
that's
fine
and
I
would
say
you're
you're
right
that
red
DOT
cameras
and
even
speed
cameras
are
not
allowed
in
North
Carolina.
Unless
there's
special
legislation
to
allow
the
given
City
to
do
either.
One
Charlotte
is
the
only
city
that
I
know
that
had
tests
have
tested
the
speed
limit
cameras
and
they
did
it
for
a
year
or
so
can't
remember
exactly
how
long
but
they've
abandoned
that
you.
K
Speed
limit
cameras
or
red
light
cameras,
okay,
because
I've
never
seen
anywhere.
That's
got
the
speed
limit,
cameras,
yeah,
but
the
red
light
cameras.
Certain
cities
in
in
North
Carolina
have
tried
them.
The
difficult
thing
is
that
a
given
City
like
if
we
were
to
do
it
and
we
were
to
contract
with
some
vendor
to
do
it
for
us.
K
The
only
thing
that
we
could
keep
out
of
all
that
is
an
administration
fee
not
to
exceed
10
percent,
and
then
the
vendor
would
get
whatever
cut
they're
supposed
to
get
based
on
their
contract
and
the
rest
of
the
money
goes
to
the
school
system,
and
so
it's
it's
very
difficult
for
a
given
City
to
take
that
on
because
a
lot
of
times
the
administration
might
cost
more
than
10
percent.
F
It
it
seems
to
me
personally
that
it
would
help
our
police
not
having
to
worry
about
what's
going
on
behind
their
back
and
having
a
lot
of
things
solved.
F
A
lady
got
her.
Her
dog
was
run
over
the
other
day.
She
was
had
walking
on
Kimberly
and
at
the
red
light
of
Evelyn,
and
it
was
a
red
light
and
her
dog
was
on
a
lead
and
the
dog
got
hit
by
a
car
that
was
running
Red.
A
Thank
you
I
appreciate
this
information.
I'm
from
I
represent
the
community
I'm
in
Shiloh.
H
A
I
think
that
some
people
don't
believe
that
Rock
Hill
Road
going
through
Oakland
is
part
of
Shiloh,
but
it
is,
and
we've
we've
had
an
influx
of
traffic
that
has
come
through
there,
especially
early
in
the
mornings
trying
to
eat
them.
People
getting
off
work
because
they
use
that
as
a
way
of
not
having
to
hit
swim.
Creek
and
Hendersonville.
D
A
That
is,
it
becomes,
it's
impacted
with
just
a
lot
of
traffic.
What
I
think
of
the
people
on
the
street
and
I
live?
I
live
off
of
Rock
Hill
Road
too,
but
I
think
the
thing
that's
disparaging
to
them
is
when
they
saw
that
in
Oakley
there
were
speed
bumps
and
stop
signs
that
you
know
would
reduce
the
speed
of
traffic
because.
G
A
Got
the
I
think
the
speed
limit
signs
up,
but
people
really
don't
pay
that
attention
and
I
think
that
you
did
come
and
mark
the
streets
with
the
yellow
double
lines.
So
people
wouldn't
cross,
but.
G
D
A
So
we
do
have
those
problems.
Our
people
still
like
to
walk
with
their
animals
and
their
kids.
You
know,
and
with
people
coming
so
fast
around
the
corner
and
a
lot
of
things
they
can't
see
so
I,
don't
know
whether
it
would
be
good
to
put
mirrors
up,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
hitting
driveways
but
I,
don't
know
who
would
be
responsible
for
putting
up
the
the
mirror
so
that
you
could
see
that
a
car
was
coming
out
or
how
did
we
do
to
slow
down
the
process?
Because
we
need
something.
A
I've
said
in
my
neighbor's
yard
one
day
and
somebody
came
around
the
corner
and
they
came
so
fast
that
they
ended
up
flipping
over
onto
the
other
side
on
the
other
side
of
the
road,
because
they
don't
look
at
the
speed
limit
signs.
So
that
was
that's
that
concern.
So
I
think
that
maybe
I'll
probably
have
to
ship
somebody
to
email
and
get
that
so
that
to
get
that
process
started.
A
K
A
And
then
the
second
thing
was,
the
neighborhood
has
a
very
huge
concern
about
the
angles
Market
in
South
Forest:
that's
getting
ready
to
expand
okay
with
a
gas
station
and
they're
thinking
that
it's
going
to
be
so
much
traffic
coming
through
and
I've
talked
to
I
think
one
of
the
guys
from
Ingles
the
community
kind
of
wanted
to
have
a
red
light
and
Jeffries
and
Hendersonville
Road.
G
D
A
Was
a
possibility
they
wanted
that
and
if
that
couldn't
be
done,
the
other
option
would
be
over
on
Forest
Street,
because
when
people
come
down
off
of
that,
where
that
CVS
is
and
the
fire
department
and
they
come,
they
got
a
good
roll
all
the
way
down
to.
B
A
K
Okay,
that
project,
of
course,
is
under
review.
Now:
okay,
they
are
required
to
do
a
traffic
impact
study
which
we
haven't
received
yet
as
far
as
any
decision
for
a
traffic
signal
where
you
were
describing,
which
the
main
road
would
be
Hendersonville
Road,
since
that's
a
D.O.T
Road
they're,
the
ones
that
have
to
make
that
decision
and
and
so
forth.
K
C
Right,
thank
you.
This
I
could
probably
follow
up
with
you
afterwards
in
an
email
as
well
sure.
K
D
G
K
Far
as
Livingston
there
is
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
project
that's
been
in
the
works
for
quite
some
time
and
I,
don't
know
if
we've
got
all
the
funding
yet,
but
that
project
was
going
to
put
traffic
calming
of
some
type
on
Livingston
Depot,
Depot
Street.
There's
a
Greenway
project
that
we've
got
that's
going
to
have
won't,
have
the
traditional
speed
homes
for
Speed
cushions,
but
there
were
going
to
be
some
raised:
pedestrian
crosses
associated
with
The
Greenway
trail
system
and
along
Depot
Street,
and
some
of
that
area.
Do
you.
J
K
Right
whatsoever-
and
it
might
be
best
for
us
to
beat
offline
at
some
point
in
time
too,
and
we'll
be
glad
to
do
that.
We
could
even
meet
you
on
site
or,
if
you
want
to
come
to
our
office.
I
know
that
we've
found
that
on
Oakland
speed,
humps
warranted
and
they're
going
to
be
included
in
our
next
contract.
Hopefully
in
the
spring,
because
we've
already
got
the
petition
back
on
it.
I
think.
C
We
have
signed
at
on
Walton
Street
resident.
We've
signed
two
petitions
in
the
last
three
years
and
have
had
no
feedback
from
anybody
until
I
got
on
this
committee.
K
C
K
E
The
60
petition
and
they
surveyed
residents
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
renters
in.
K
And
to
clarify
that,
because
a
lot
of
times,
what
we've
found
in
Nashville
is
a
lot
of
those
owners
may
not
even
live
in
Asheville
right
and
they
may
be
out
of
state
yeah,
and
so
yes,
what
we're
trying
to
do
if
you
think
about
it,
is
we're
just
having
the
neighbor
walk
along
the
street
and
knock
on
someone's
door.
So,
yes,
that's
that's
what
it
is
we
we
it's
it's
either
one.
E
And
when
you're
talking
about
scheduling
these
traffic
studies
first,
you
go
back
to
see
if
you've
done
one
already,
but
obviously,
as
time
passes,
you
might
need
to
conduct
another.
K
Have
to
look
at
that
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
in
general
we
we
don't.
We
don't
have
a
thing
that
says
that
if
we
it
had
to
be
so
long,
I
mean
we're
still
coming
out
of
covet.
So
pretty
much.
Even
if
we
had
done
one
during
covert
when
the
traffic
volumes
were
lower,
we
would
expect.
Then
we
would
have
no
issue
doing
that.
One
now
to
see
what
it
looks
like
today.
K
E
I
mean
the
data
is
neither
good
or
bad
right
what
it
is,
and
another
question
on
the
scheduling
and
like
conducting
the
traffic
studies
like
how
how
long?
What's
the
timeline
for
that
look
like
we're
talking
about
like
okay,
we
want
to
schedule
one
and
it
takes
a
year
to
conduct
it
or
like
a.
K
Couple
months:
well,
it's
not
up
to
a
year!
Yet
it's
it's
a
it's
anywhere
from
a
60
to
90
day
process.
We
have
one
staff
member
that
goes
out
virtually
every
single
week
to
put
out
the
count
tubes
that
we
have
and
then
that
person
you
remember,
we
leave
them
out
there.
They
put
them
out
on
a
Monday,
pick
them
up
on
a
Friday
we're
trying
to
get
that
72
hours,
so
they're
they're
out
there
for
the
whole
week
and
then
he's
got
that
download
all
the
information
and
run
the
calculations.
E
K
K
D
K
K
E
K
Can't
answer
that,
but
but
I'll
give
you
an
example,
we
just
got
a
recent
request.
I
think
this
is
in
North.
Asheville
too.
We
just
got
a
recent
request
on
a
given
Street,
that's
supposedly
everybody
that
rides
a
skateboard
wants
to
ride
it
and
they
go
down
there
and
there's
been
examples
of
they've
hit
people's
cars
and
all
this
kind
of
stuff.
A
Appreciate
all
the
information
you've
given
us
and
sure
that
we
would
get
in
contact
with
you,
I
know
you
all.
You
often
talk
to
them
offline.
Maybe
if
you
get
his
email,
just
leave
it
for
them,
also,
so
that
they
want.
K
J
Chair
maze
could
I
just
one
before
Ken
leaves
I
know
that
this
is
something
that
we
hear
a
lot
about
and
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
around
Ken.
Could
you
take
just
a
minute
and
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
with
all
of
the
things
that
must
be
taken
into
consideration
before
solution
can
be
applied,
I'm
thinking,
specifically
about
standard
of
cover
and
how
that
can
sometimes
be
a
limiting
factor
for
traffic
calming
Solutions
in
neighborhoods.
K
Can't
can't
do
any
more
now
in
the
Montford
Community
as
an
example,
there's
a
brand
new
fire
station
being
built
on
Broadway
well
once
they
do
that.
Obviously,
the
standard
of
cover
will
really
be
much
improved
when
they
start
going
to
calls
in
that
area,
so
that
might
open
up
other
streets
in
Montford.
That
up
to
this
point
in
time,
have
been
ineligible
for
traffic
hopping.
It
might
allow
certain
streets
then
to
be
eligible
for
it
did
that
help.
Okay,
thank
you.
L
You
good
evening,
commission
members,
my
name
is
Sasha
bertinski
and
I
am
the
affordable
housing
officer
now
for
the
city
of
Asheville
and
I'm
in
community
Economic,
Development
I
wasn't
planning
for
almost
eight
years
prior
to
that
and
five
years
even
longer
ago
than
that
and
I'm
here,
with
Ricky
Hurley
who's.
Our
zoning
administrator
and
he's
also
our
plan
plans
with
a
new
coordinator,
so
he's
over
the
planners
down
in
development
services
and
if
there's
one
person
who
knows
our
code
in
this
city,
it's
Ricky
Hurley,
so
I'm.
L
If
you
have
detailed
questions
he's
here
to
back
me
up
and
not
keep
me
from
saying
anything
wrong,
so,
as
you
may
know,
man
you
we're
talking
about
manufactured
homes
tonight
and
let
me
just
say
in
1997,
when
we,
when
the
city
of
Asheville
adopted
the
Udo,
the
United,
unified
development,
ordinance,
it
really
limited
I,
think
I,
don't
know
all
the
history,
but
it.
G
L
Where
manufactured
homes
or
mobile
homes
could
be,
and
there's
some
overlay
districts
and
manufactured
home
park
districts
and
we're
really
not
here
to
get
into
all
those
details
because
we're
not
suggesting
any
big
changes
to
that,
so
so
just
a
few
key
takeaways.
So
this
is
a
small
change,
incremental
change
that
we're
hoping
to
make
that
will
address
the
replacement
of
manufactured
homes
where
they
previously
existed
and
I'll
go
through.
It
we'll
go
through
a
quick
example,
and
this
change
will
stop
the
slow
attrition
of
affordable
housing
that
are
desperately
desperately
needed
in
our
community.
L
We've
got
a
few
other
small
updates
in
this
package
and
we
don't
think
that
any
of
these
changes
will
have
any
noticeable
effects
on
neighborhoods
and
we're
here
to
inform
you
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
and
collect
any
comments.
You
might
have
and
I'll
talk
about
our
next
steps
towards
the
end.
L
So
here's
the
real
nugget,
the
basically
our
Udo
language,
prevents
the
replacement
of
lawfully
established
manufacturers
allowed
words
manufactured
homes
in
a
park.
So
unless
you
replace
it
within
180
days,
which
is
six
months
so,
for
example,
there
might
be
a
mobile
home
park,
a
manufactured
home
park
and
somebody
leaves
and
moves
and
takes
their
home,
and
if
that
Park
owner
does
not
get
a
mobile
home
in
there
in
six
months,
they'd
lose
that
spot
forever.
L
L
There's
a
lot
of
opinions
about
mobile
homes.
We're
not
here
to
kind
of
get
into
that,
but
in
and
we
have
here
almost
in
every
instance.
They
have
an
address.
They
have
Utility
Services.
You
know
everything
is
in
place
for
somebody
to
live
there
and,
as
you
probably
know,
this
is
one
of
the
most
affordable
ways
to
live
in
our
community,
so
we
would
allow
replacement
of
those
homes
in
the
in
manufactured
housing.
Park
spaces
allow
you
know
within
365
days
within
a
qualified
overlay
district
and
that's
not
in
a
park.
G
L
You
can
get
confused
very
fast
for
any
other
zoning
areas.
Just
leave
that
six
month
period
alone,
we're
not
proposing
any
changes
there
and
it
will
not
allow
the
expansion
of
mobile
home
parks.
So
we're
not
really
talk
unless
you're
already
legally
able
to
expand
a
mobile
home
park,
we're
not
trying
to
expand
the
use
so
along.
L
So
I
was
just
kind
of
cleaning
up
our
ordinance
a
little
bit
and
Ricky
added.
This
slide.
I
think
it's
helpful
just
to
for
some
folks
get
confused
about
all
these
different
building
typologies.
So
you
know
we
have
recreational
vehicles
which
are
not
billed
to
North
Carolina,
building
code
right,
so
they're
built
to
an
RV
industry
Association
standard.
L
Then
we
have
manufactured
homes
which
are
not
also
not
built
a
North
Carolina
building
code
they're
built
to
a
housing,
a
HUD
code,
HUD
standards.
So
when
they
you
know,
they'll
have
like
a
that's
almost
like
a
metal,
but
it's
you
know
it's
a
stamp
on
the
mobile
home
or
the
manufactured
home.
So
it's
you
know.
It's
been
inspected,
it's
safe!
It's
designed
to
certain
standards
and
what,
from
what
I've
heard?
You
know,
those
standards
have
really
increased
over
the
years
and
they're
much.
L
Modular
homes,
which
are
built
towards
North
Carolina,
building
code
and
they're
treated
as
stick
built,
and
so
a
modular
home
you
might
have
one
in
your
neighborhood
in
Asheville,
they're,
pretty
I,
think
they're
here
and
there,
and
you
might
not
even
know
that
it's
modular,
unless
you
saw
it,
come
in
on
the
trailer
right.
L
So
so
here's
the
table
of
uses,
we
don't
have
the
manufactured
housing,
overlay
or
the
or
the
manufactured
housing
community
overlay
in
the
table.
So
it's
just
adding
it
in
there
again
kind
of
a
clean
up
thing,
and
then
we
had
some
language
in
the
Udo
about
age
of
manufactured
homes
and
basically
North
Carolina
said
you
can't
have
this
age
language
and
your
standards
so
we're
just
getting
in
line
with
North
Carolina.
L
L
L
What
we
have
here
in
black
is
basically,
according
to
the
Buncombe
County
records,
They
have
a
land
use
code
for
every
piece
parcel
in
the
city,
so
there's
a
land
use
code
that
indicates
there's
a
manufactured
home
on
the
property.
It
could
be
one
manufactured
home
on
a
five-acre
parcel.
It
could
be
two
on
you
know.
L
L
This
is
Sandhill
Road,
West
Asheville,
there's
more
as
you
move
out
towards
the
county.
So,
as
you
know,
as
the
city
annexed
property
over
the
years,
they
probably
took
in
more
than
they
did
have
originally
again,
you
can
see
in
Buncombe
County
to
the
north
and
to
the
South
and
the
West
there's
a
lot
more
in
the
county
and.
L
Asheville,
so
here's
an
example:
so
here
is
a
manufactured
housing,
Park
I
believe
it's
in
Oakley
and
so
I
think
I
don't
see
any
that
are
actually
missing,
but
so,
if
you
can
imagine
one
of
those
homes
was
removed
and
they
didn't
replace
it
within
six
months.
They
will
never
be
able
to
put
it
back
again
today.
So
what
we
just
want
to
change
that,
so
they
could
put
it
back.
So
we
don't
think
that
there'll
be
tremendous
impacts
on
traffic.
It's
a
car
that
was
already
there
before.
L
So
our
next
steps
and
we'll
you
could
think
about
it,
we
can
talk.
Our
next
steps
are
to
go
to
Planning
and
Zoning
next
week
and
we
have
a
draft
ordinance
just
making
these
exact
same
changes.
L
I've
told
you
about,
and
then
we
would
go
to
City
Council
on
October,
25th
I
will
say
that
just
so,
you
all
know
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
which
is
a
committee
that
I
am
a
liaison
to
they're
very
interested
in
changing
the
rules
around
manufactured
housing
and
trying
to
be
more
allowing
of
that
in
our
throughout
our
community.
L
That's
that's
a
whole
another
can
of
worms
that
we're
not
really
quite
to
open
up
with,
because
we
have
so
many
other
things
on
our
work
plan
that
we
have
to
do
first,
and
that
would
take
a
lot
of
community
conversation
and
talking
to
people
and
really
that's
a
deep
subject.
So
this
is
just
a
very
small
change
overall
and
not
we
don't
think
it's
a
huge
impact
did
I
miss
anything.
B
J
B
L
G
I
I
It's
like
these
in
East
Asheville,
the
hall
Creek
area,
the
only
one
that
is
in
the
overlay
District
IC
is,
in
the
far
right
hand,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
hatching
in
that
area.
We
don't
know
I
mean
the
parks
are
what
they
are
sort
of
like
you
are
what
you
are
and
you
can
continue
to
exist
as
a
non-conforming
use.
So
as
long
as
they
continue
operate,
they
can
continue
in
perpetuity.
It's
just
that
the
way
the
code's
written
today.
I
It
was
like
pulling
one
or
two
out
of
the
time,
just
when
somebody
would
forget
to
replace
it
so
yeah.
So
maybe
I
didn't
answer
your
question
fully
Sharon,
but
Gordon
restate
it.
G
I
No,
no,
it
doesn't
change
the
underlying
zone
or
the
overlay
and
I
think
we're
trying
to
do
a
a
very
small
technical
change,
because
if
we
were
to
apply
an
overlay
District
like
the
mobile
home,
Community
overlay,
you
have
to
be
in
that
overlay,
the
mobile
home
Community
overlay
to
even
begin
a
part
to
even
create
a
park.
So
the
parks
like
we
see
here
if
there's
three
or
four
houses
on
those
Parcels,
they
cannot
expand
at
all.
So
even
with
this
change,
we
cannot
let
them
expand
at
all.
I
They
can't
add
a
fifth
mobile
home.
There's
no
way
to
do
it.
They
would
only
be
able
to
swap
out
one
for
one
and
if
they
had
some
sort
of
like
septic
line,
issue
utility
issue
and
had
to
remove
a
mobile
home
for
you
know
a
year
because
to
take
care
of
the
business
they
need
to
take
care
of,
then
they
can
know
assuredly
that
the
city
will
reissue
that
permit
for
that
mobile
home
to
go
back
because
we're
looking
at
the
overall
part
as
the
non-conforming
use
and
not
that
individual
unit.
I
Using
it,
no
we'll
keep
them.
So,
like
you
look
here
in
Shallow
in
that
top
Center
in
the
screen.
There's
a
large
area,
that's
just
mobile
home
overlay
and
that
allows
for
more
like
a
double
wide.
So
the
double
wide
there's
two
actually
overly
districts,
a
community
which
allows
for
the
parks
and
the
double
wide
on
individual
lot
and
then
there's
just
mobile
home
overlay
just
to
MH,
and
that
allows
basically
a
double
wide.
That's
all
it
allows
on
an
individual
wide.
I
So
you
have
to
have
that
masonry,
skirting
kind
of
a
four
by
one
Whatever
limit
on
the
length
and
usually
some
sort
of
like
residential
type
materials
like
shingle
roof,
vinyl
siding
so
there's
some
design
standards
that
are
allowed
by
state
law
on.
E
I
Yeah,
so
the
mobile
home
Community
overlay,
if
you
were
to
create
a
new
part,
there
are
some
specific
design
standards
related
to
manufactured
housing
parks,
and
so
there
are
some
buffering
and
Landscaping
standards.
The
truth
is
I,
haven't
reviewed
or
seen
a
new
park
come
through
the
city
since
I've
been
here,
I
believe
the
last
one
that
came
through
was
in
the
Emma
era
in
the
former
etj
off
of
Emma
road.
There
might
be
that
one
if
you
ride
Alabama
Road
before
you
get
to
Emma,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
stretched
assignment
by
itself.
I
That
was
it
and
then
the
other
one
is.
Let
me
see
here,
let's
roll
this
way,
the
large
dark
area
that
large
black
one
at
the
bottom,
that
is
Wellington
Estates
that
come
through
the
CZ
several
years
ago.
Maybe
five,
six
years
ago,
as
a
CZ,
there
was
an
expansion
to
that
one
that
mobile
home
community,
so
that
was
done
as
like
a
highway
business
CZ
for
a
mobile
home
community.
So
that
was
another.
B
Did
this
that's
easy
triggered
due
to
the
size
increase
or
the
zoning
where
I
was
sitting
selling?
Was
that.
I
L
L
A
Sharing,
unless
it's
not
from
multimodal
from
Elizabeth
and
Chad,
did
you
have
everything
that
you
want.
A
D
Not
really
about
it,
everything
is
fine
and
getting
better
all
the
time.
Okay,.
B
I
do
have
something
to
say
about
Eastern
Valley,
which
is
my
neighborhood,
even
though
I've
represented
28805..
We
have
concerns
with
the
new
South
slope.
B
And
I
went
to
a
Chamber
of
Commerce
meeting
that
they
had
where
they
showed
what
the
changes
in
the
which
will
include
South
slope,
which
is
Mountainside
Park
McCormick
field
and
Memorial.
B
B
So
we
can
air
the
communities
concerns
she's,
aware
of
it.
She's
received
our
emails
on
it
and
and
that's
coming
to
council.
L
Can
I
address
that
is
that
okay
I'm
just
walking
up
here
like
yeah,
so
we
will
delay
that
frankly,
part
of
the
problem
is
I.
Just
have
two
jobs
right
now
and
I'm
I've
been
spending
all
my
time
on
housing,
stuff
and
so
I
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
really
talk
to
the
neighborhood,
so
it
is
going
to
get
delayed
just
because
we
don't
want.
You
know
nothing
and
I
heard
some
conversation
nothing's
happening.
That's
part
of
the
problem
nothing's
happening
because
I'm
just
so
busy,
but.
L
To
talk
to
the
neighborhood,
so
so
it's
getting
delayed
further
past
the
past
October
11th
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
make
October
25th
or
not,
but
I
think
I
overall,
like
some
of
the
bigger
neighbor.
Some
of
there's
several
concerns
that
I
think
are
very
easy
to
address.
Let's
put
it
that
way
and
really
just
so
maybe
everybody
knows
this,
but
just
to
say
it
out
loud.
L
You
know
Vision
plans
our
general
guiding
documents.
They
don't
have
any
binding
effect.
So
if
there's
like
a
zoning
proposition
or
an
idea
and
a
plan,
it's
an
idea
and
I
guess
it
does
mean
something
to
everybody.
L
If
Council
adopts
it
and
I
get
that,
but
it
will
always
require
staff
to
come
back
to
the
community
and
discuss
any
rezonings
before
anything
actually
happens
right
so
because
they're
fairly
complicated
in
a
way,
if
you
think
about
where
commercial
districts
meet
neighborhoods
right,
so
property
owners
who
own
the
commercial
property
are
banking
on
a
certain
amount
of
height
or
something
and
neighborhoods
are
kind
of
hoping
to
not
be
impacted
by
development.
B
F
That's
all
right,
while
you
were
asking
about
neighborhood
reports
and
okay.
A
A
That's
in
a
residence
I,
don't
know
and
and
we're
concerned
about
the
ones
that
are
building
and
divisions
where
they
found
land
they're
saying
is
only
a
certain
amount
of
footage.
Apart
from
each
house,
it
has
to
be.
Did
that
change
from
what
it
used
to
be.
L
A
L
I
mean
it
depends
on
what
you're
building
and
what
your
zoning
district
is.
I
mean.
I
would
say
that
you
know:
we've
got
if
you're
a
town
home
you
can
be
right
up
next
to
each
other.
They
can
share
a
wall
and
that
property
there's
a
property
line
there
that
influences
building
code
and
how
fire
code
is
enforced.
If
you're
on
two
separate
Lots,
there
is
a
minimum
distance
and
that's
building
code
and
really
it's
it's
all
about
fires.
L
Jumping
from
building
to
building
is
partly
what's
directing
that
in
building
code
to
my
understanding
now
and
then
there's
the
zoning
right.
So
in
rm8,
maybe
RS8
the
minimum
side.
Setback
is
six
feet.
I
believe
right,
I
haven't
lost
all
my
planning
knowledge
yet,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
you
know
planners
are
very
aware
of
in
in
our
department
and
probably
Ricky's
too
that
how
the
Shiloh
Community
feels
and
that
you
all
are
never
afraid
to
say
anything.
L
And
so,
if
you
know
when
we
get
when
we
have
early
assistance
meetings
or
pre-application
meetings,
we
will
often
say
like
your
first.
Stop
needs
to
be
the
neighborhood
and
if
it's
something
clearly,
we
know
like
commercial,
proposing
or
rezoning
from
to
commercial
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
we
often
say
they're,
not
gonna.
You
know,
we
don't
think
they're
gonna
be
we're
trying
not
to
speak
for
people
right,
but
Shiloh
has
first
for
sure.
Shiloh
has,
let
us
know
they're
not
on
board
with
this.
L
G
L
The
state
legislature
took
away
the
ability
for
for
ordinances
to
regulate
design
of
homes.
I
know
in
Shiloh,
often
people
talk
about
porches
and
wind,
maybe
even
windows,
and
those
are
things
we
can't
regulate
unless
it's
more
than
like
three
or
four
residences
in
one
building.
So
the
reason
why
I.
A
A
G
A
To
come
into,
you
know
to
even
stop
that
so
we've
had
that
happen
with
the
lodge
in
Shiloh,
and
we
wonder
if
maybe
that
might
have
been
a
reason,
because
there
was
no
fire
hydrant
close
to
that
and
the
one
that
would
have
been
able
to
give
them
a
throwaway.
A
man
had
a
house
and
he
built
a
garage
apartment,
and
then
he
built
another
house
and
it's
right
on
the
back
side
of
my
church
and
so
where
the
fire
department
could
have
come
up
in
between
the
church
and
the
other
property.
A
You
can't
come
that
way.
So
when
there's
a
fire,
then
you
have
a
complicated.
You
have
an
issue
of
them
using
their
water
supply
or
even
trying
to
figure
out
where
the
hydrogen
is
to
try
to
you
know
to
get
it
together.
So
we
have
that
we
have
that
type
of
issue
and
I
know
that
you
all
have
no
concern
about
it,
but
we
have
where
I
live.
There's
my
son
and
I
have
a
house,
and
then
that
was
it
was
two
properties
and
they
were
put
and
we
were
gifted
portion
of
that
property.
A
Go
back
they're
trying
to
do
things
without
getting
the
proper
permits
so.
A
On
it
because
and
they're
telling
us
it's
it's
a
it's
a
job
and
so
I
understand
what
you
all
go
through
because
we're
having
to
manage
this
ourselves,
because
when
they,
whenever
we
see
them,
come
and
they
came
yes,
the
guy
came
yesterday
and
every
time
with
time,
they're
trying
to
say
that
the
property
line
there's
no
record
of
it.
And
then
we
know
it
is
and
then
it's
been
surveyed
but
I
asked
him.
Have
you
surveyed
it.
A
I
I
We
were
glad
to
talk
to
you
about
the
zoning
and
what
are
the
allowed
uses
so
I
like
to
make
sure
that
if
somebody's
selling
their
property,
especially
with
you,
know,
historically
African-American
Community
communities
that
are
kind
of
targeted,
sometimes
now
with
investment
to
make
sure
people
are
know
what
they
got
before.
They
start
selling
property
to
the
first
person
that
shows
up
so
I
always
tell
people
to
find
a
trusted
real
estate
agent
to
help
them.
I
But
in
the
case
too,
I
think
a
lot
of
shallow
is
there's
RSA,
that's
closer
to
I-40
along
Brooklyn,
and
a
large
portion
of
the
community
is
RS4.
So
it's
you
know:
10
foot,
side,
setbacks,
8,
000
square
foot
Lots,
but
if
you
build
an
Adu,
you're,
still
six
feet
off
the
side
rear
and
then,
if
you
build,
you
know,
like
Sasha
said
if
it's
like
a
cottage
development
or
town
homes.
I
If
you
build
multiple
houses
on
the
same
parcel,
you
only
have
to
have
six
feet
between
them
individually,
because
the
building
code
only
mandates
three
feet
from
an
imaginary
property
line,
so
they
can
be
six
feet.
Apart,
not
succeed
from
the
property
line.
That's
the
zoning
thing!
So
there
it
gets
confusing
when
you
have
all
these
inner
different
disciplines,
they're
all
kind
of
like
filters
you're
trying
to
see
through
like
sift
flour,
and
you
use
what
you
get
the
bottom
but
yeah,
because
there
is
and
the
fire
marshal.
I
I
I
would
say
you
probably
won't
talk
to
water
engineering.
That's
in
the
permanent
Center
building
I
would
start
with
them.
Chad
Pierce
is
the
section
supervisor
over
that
that'd
be
a
good
person
to
start
with
to
find
out.
You
know
what
the
where
the
infrastructure's
at
and
how
it
lays
out.
You
know,
especially
if
you're
concerned
about
fire
response
Tommy.
If
you're
not
building
another
house
down
there,
you
probably
want
to
make
sure
where
those
hydrants
are
at.
A
E
A
A
Geometry,
and
so
what
they're
doing
now
is
on
my
side
of
Rock,
Hill
Road,
hopefully
there's
a.
There
are
two
houses
that
are
like
Towers,
two
big
towers,
and
there
was
a
little
bit
of
house
in
the
middle,
but
they
bought
the
property.
So
that's
what
they
did,
but
it
was
I,
don't
know
how
we
would
get
a
standard
order
for
how
tall
they
could
build
a
house
yeah.
I
And
I'll
answer:
I:
don't
want
to
give
two
wild
in
the
code,
but
we
measure
height
what
I
call
the
valley
floor
so
below
the
2350
elevation
contour
lines
we
actually
measure
height
about
four
or
five
different
ways
in
the
city.
So
there's
one
way
to
measure
it
downtown,
there's
a
different
way
to
measure
it
in
the
Haywood
Road
corridors
and
then
there's
a
different
way
on
the
mountainsides.
But
23.50
Sharon
knows
all
about
it
and
then
there's
another
way
on
the
valley
floor.
I
So
for
me
most
the
time
we're
measuring
on
the
fire
department,
access
of
the
building
so
the
front
door.
It's
from
the
elevation,
the
natural
grade
to
the
highest
finish
ceiling
of
the
highest
occupied
floor.
So
if
you
had
a
vaulted
ceiling,
then
the
peak
on
the
inside
the
sheetrock,
where
we'll
measure
it
to
the
40.
I
if
you've
got
a
flat
ceiling
and
you've
got
a
nice
big
attic.
That's
where
I'm
measuring
to
the
flat.
So
you
can
build
a
three-story
house
under
the
residential
code,
I'm,
not
a
building
code
official.
But
when
you
hit
four
stories,
not
a
basement
four
stories,
it
kicks
you
over
to
the
commercial
code.
When
you
get
four
stories,
so
people
can
build
a
35
foot
tall
tall,
three-story
house,
that's
35
foot
tall
on
the
front
and
it
could
be
45
47
feet
on
the
back
side
of
that.
And
then
you
got
these
large
cable
roofs.
I
So
it's
how
you
measure
height
and
so
and
then,
when
you're
six
feet
off
the
side,
property
line
or
something
then
that
if
you've
got
a
narrow,
long
house,
that's
right
door
next
door
to
you
on
the
South
Side.
You
get
a
lot
of
shade.
So
that's
kind
of
the
rules
we
got.
You
know
it
doesn't
work
so
bad.
But
when
you
get
a
big
tall
house,
it's
called
bird
boxes.
It
gets
like
that.
I
But
if
you
want
to
stop
by
one
day,
let
us
know
we'll
pass
on
to
Christina
our
contact
information
I'll
be
glad
to
if
you
want
to
stop
and
we'll
go
through
the
individual
situations
you
want
to
talk
through
about.
How
does
this
happen
because
the
more
that
you're
in
the
community?
And
if
you
understand
what
we're
doing
or
what
the
rules
are,
then
it
can
make
sense.
You
might
not
like
it,
but
you
at
least
understand
and
then,
if
there's
a
conversation
with
the
legislative
body
about
changing
rules,
the
community
can
work
through
that.
I
A
But
I'm
doing
it
because
for
some
reason
we
have
been
behind
behind
the
scenes
of
not
knowing
what
processes
are
and
what
people
can
do
and
so
I'm
getting
this
information.
So
I
will
send
my
son
to
you,
okay,
because
I
would
want
him
to
know
because
he
lives
in
a
community
too.
So.
I
I
A
L
I
I
That's
pilot
planners
apod
at
Asheville
NC,
one
word:
Asheville,
NC,
dot,
gov
and
so
I
get
to
copy
those
emails.
I
have
a
staff
member
that
is
on
Deck
every
day
for
that,
but
also
get
a
copy.
So
if
you
have
to
say,
I
want
to
try
to
chase
Ricky
down,
you
can
do
that
and
then,
if
not
like
I,
say
Sharon
will
come
in
and
jerk
a
knot
in
me
and
she'll
find
it
me
for
you.
B
F
A
F
It
was
it's
just
about
28804
and
we've
got
the
grace
neighborhood
going
with
the
playground
in
Asheville.
City
finally
has
approved
that
and
we're
excited
about
it,
but
tomorrow
night
Asheville
city
council
has
to
approve
it.
So
I
will
be
there,
as
I
have
always
been
following
through
with
the
grace
playground.
F
Also
I've
been
following
up
with
all
the
neighborhoods
that
had
received
our
grants
and
we
had
Lakeview
Park.
We
had
Grace
and
we
had
Norwood
Norwood
wanted
to
have
their
stairs
fixed
that
go
between
Norwood
up
to
their
neighborhood,
and
that
has
not.
They
haven't
even
started
on
yet
so
I'm
kind
of
concerned
about
some
of
the
grant
dollars
that
have
been
issued
and
not
seen
any
movement.
F
F
My
God
I
was
walking
across
the
street
in
front
of
my
house.
I
live
right
on
Kimberly
and
I
was
waiting
for
the
light
to
change
and
it
changed
to
red
and
Pizza
Papa
John's
Pizza
ran
the
red
light
and
came
about
four
inches
from
hitting
me.
A
D
D
So
Kudos
I
guess
to
the
water
department.
They
did
some
major
work
in
our
community,
replacing
and
reconstructing
the
drainage
tearing
up
the
roads,
putting
putting
them
nicely
back
together
and
paved
them
nicely.
So
it's
great,
but
the
net
effect
has
been
the
elimination
of
flooding,
chun's,
Cove
and
Mountain
View.
So
they
did
a
great
job.
So
I
just
wanted
to
and
everybody's
pleased.
A
B
Yes,
we
need
to
pick
a
date.
I
believe
I
asked
Christina
to
find
whether
her
time
was
going
to
be
late
again
from
six,
because
it's
two
hours
six
to
eight
and
to
see
if
there
was
any
other
times.
If
we
wanted
to
do
it
earlier
that
this
room
was
available.
B
So
then
never
mind
so
it
will
be
six
to
eight
and
then
we
were
going
to
do
a
pop-up.
B
B
Michael
and
Elise
will
be
cheering
about
because
of
the
working
group
has
come
up
with
some.
B
A
You
it's
late
yeah,
so
we'll
be
looking
forward
to
that
and
getting
ideas
sometimes
and
I
think
that'll
be
good.
I
might
be
looking
forward
to
seeing
everybody.
How
is
it
going
for
you
over
in
Wall
Street
we're
working
on?
If
you
ever
need
to
know
some
other
people
to
contact?
Let
me
know
because
I
think
you're
missing:
do
you
catch
the
people
over
on
Oakland
and
haystron
yep?
C
D
A
Well,
because
I
think
it's
I
know
there
is
it's
hard
when
you
have
a
large
area
and
it's
a
lot
with
even
with
Shiloh
ethics,
it
expands
so
far
out.
It
was
hard
to
reach
everybody,
but
we
had
to
find
innovative
ways
like
we
do
robocalls
and
I'm
going
to
send
out
a
flyer
for
the
next
meeting.
So
we
can
try
to
get
more
people
involved.
Great
yeah.