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B
Well,
welcome
everybody.
My
name
is
amy
smith.
I'm
the
new
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission,
so
bear
with
me
on
matters
of
protocol,
we'll
see
how
it
goes.
So
I
believe,
do
we
introduce
ourselves
first
and
then
move
on
okay?
Well,
then,
let's
go
around
the
room
and
introduce
ourselves
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
so
again:
amy
smith,
chair
of
urban
forestry,
commission
sharon,
sharon.
B
B
B
Yes,
dawn.
F
Hi
don
chavez,
executive,
director
of
asheville,
greenworks
tree
protection,
task
force
and
urban
pharmacy
commission.
H
B
Thank
you.
Let's
have
city
staff
nancy.
J
K
I
just
thought
I'm
confident,
I'm
muted,
whenever
it
was
chris
collins,
I'm
the
division
manager
for
site
planning
and
development,
zoning
and
environmental
engineering
and
development
services.
F
B
That's
very
nice.
Thank
you
and
mark.
M
Hey
there
mark
foster
city
arborist
public
works
department,
welcome
councilwoman,
rooney.
B
All
right,
I
believe,
that's
everyone
did
I
miss
anyone,
go
ahead
and
speak
up
all
right,
excellent.
Well,
then,
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I'm
excited
to
get
going
so
first,
we
need
an
approval
of
the
minutes,
so
we'll
have
to
do
a
roll
call,
vote
I'll
call
everyone's
name
and
I'm
gonna
go
in
the
order
that
we
are
on
the
agenda.
So
hopefully
we'll
keep
the
confusion
to
a
minimum
on
our
voting.
So
approval
of
the
minutes.
G
B
Thank
you.
So
we
will
vote
first
up,
patrick.
D
B
G
B
C
E
B
Dawn
I
and
I
vote
I
so
that
passes
and
I
don't
see
paren
all
right.
Let
me
know
if
he
jumps
in.
I
don't
see
him
all
right.
Well,
then,
we
can
move
right
on
so
we
don't
have
any
alternative
compliance
today.
So
we
have
a
chance
to
talk
about
more
of
our
regular
business.
Hey
real,
quick!
I
see
ricky
jumped
in
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
ricky
hear
me:
you
did.
B
B
J
Because
the
echo
that
I
can't
seem
to
figure
out
where
it's
coming
from
I'd
recommend
somebody
else,
maybe
try
reading
the
comments.
Please.
B
I
did
not
print
out
or
pull
up
the
comments.
If
you
have
them,
that'd
be
handy.
Otherwise,
I
can
pull
it
up.
O
Hi
everybody
sorry
for
tardiness
over
here.
This
is
young.
This
is
my
second
year
with
the
urban
forestry
commission.
I'm
glad
to
see
everybody
happy
new
year.
I
A
I
As
a
buffer
port
between
the
neighborhood
and
the
ever-growing
downtown
there's
even
a
seed
restriction
on
this
land
marking
it
as
a
park,
I
recently
discovered
that
the
city
is
ignoring
the
deed
restriction
and
planning
to
sell
it
for
one
dollar
the
haywood
street
congregation
to
develop
into
a
four-story
apartment
complex.
Due
to
the
nearest
of
this
one
acre
lot
as
well
as
the
steep
slope,
the
trees
will
have
to
be
removed
or
rolled
up
along
with
the
other
trees
farther
up
the
slope.
I
This
neighborhood
would
be
losing
so
much
more
than
just
a
potential
buffer
quick.
Please
help
us
maintain
the
purpose
of
this
land.
Help
us
save
these
trees
and
convert
this
piece
of
land
into
a
useful,
beautiful
green
space.
For
the
many
residents
of
the
south,
french,
broad
and
south
slope
downtown
is
about
to
blow
up
with
new
condos
and
apartments
from
other
developments
already
underway.
I
We
would
be
doing
this
city
a
disservice
to
allow
to
become
service,
to
allow
it
to
become
overrun
with
departments
from
other
developments
already
underway.
We
would
no
sorry
sorry,
we
would
be
doing
the
city
a
disservice
to
allow
it
to
become
overrun
with
cement
art
installations
throughout
the
city
are
beautiful,
however,
they'll
never
replace
the
surface
of
beautiful
trees
walkways
the
birds
that
are
attracted
to
the
area
and
the
general
fall
of
nature's
art.
Thank
you
for
listening
concerned
and
very
worried.
Audrey
bloomquest.
I
I
They
are
a
valuable
resource
for
wildlife
and
would
be
helpful
in
bringing
people
back
to
the
origins
of
our
food
as
we
look
to
eat
things
that
are
less
processed.
I
look
forward
for
hearing
from
you,
jillian
wolf,
and
I
can
respond
back
to
her
after
the
meeting.
Those
were
the
two
comments.
Yes
open.
The
discussion.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
So
first,
I
think
we
should
talk
for
a
moment
about
the
ashland
avenue
project.
There
is
a
city
website
set
up
dedicated
to
this
project,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
looped
in
everyone
is.
Yet
it
was
new
to
me
and
this
website
and
information
was
new
to
me.
This
is
the
parcel
on
ashland
avenue.
Go
ahead.
C
Yeah,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
I
I
read
the
deed
restriction
on
this
property
just
last
week
and
it
came
to
me
through
the
ravenscroft
reserve
folks,
if
it's
the
same
piece
of
property-
and
it
does
indeed
have
a
restriction
on
it
from
what
I
understand-
there's
something
underneath
the
ground
that
makes
it
toxic
for
development
and
the
land.
The
restriction
is
in
a
land
transfer
from
I.
B
From
what
I
just
read,
the
original
deed
restriction
that
was
written
up
with
that
property
is
actually
not
valid.
There
was
an
error.
Well,
there
are
two
parts
part
of
it
was
an
error
in
attaching
that
parcel
in
a
restriction
to
martin
luther
king
park,
and
that
was
an
heir
and
the
other
deed
restriction
that
was
on
the
actual
deed
was
there
was
a
piece
that
expired
in
1993,
so
from
what
I
could
tell
on
that
particular
parcel.
There
are
currently
no
deed
restrictions.
B
We
may
need
more
updating
from
the
city
on
that,
but
that's
what
I
could
determine
from
the
documents
that
they
sent
over
now.
This
project
also
is
was
exempted
from
the
city
moratorium
on
development
for
parcels
that
had
been
historically
taken
during
urban
renewal.
If
you
guys
heard
about
that
moratorium.
I
B
Project
was
already
under
development
or
discussion
when
that
happened,
so
it
is
exempt
from
that
as
well.
So
they
are
proceeding
with
public
comment
and
discussion
on
this.
The
next
piece
is
january.
26Th,
there
is
a
city
council,
affordable
housing,
work
session.
That
will
be
on
youtube
with
no
public
comment.
However,
so
you
have
to
get
comments
in
otherwise
and
then
february
23rd.
It
is
currently
slated
for
a
vote
on
the
sale
of
the
land
piece.
B
So
any
other
comments
for
now
or
questions
that
we
can
try
to
clear
up.
I
No,
I
mean
not
other
than
what
nikki
reid
and
they've
provided
to
us,
which
was
the
email
that
shows
the
dude
restrictions
that
they've
gone
in
and
checked
to
make
sure
that
it
wasn't
part
of
that
needs
restriction.
B
Yeah
from
what
I
could
tell
there
are
not
currently
any
active
restrictions
on
that
parcel.
Now,
however,
you
know
if
there's
other
issues.
C
B
Yeah,
so
if
there's
many
steps
to
this,
they
have
to
sell
the
land
first
and
approve
the
development
of
the
housing.
So
if
all
of
those
steps
go
through,
then
it
would
fall
under
the
ordinance,
in
which
case
we
could,
you
know,
see
what
kind
of
plans
they
have
for
their
landscaping.
B
All
right.
Any
other
comments
right
now.
I
think
we'll
keep
this
open
so
that
we
can
continue
to
see
how
it
progresses
and
I'll.
Let
everybody
know
if
we
find
out
more.
G
A
question
would
be
if
we
have
any
ability
to
review
it
at
some
point.
G
Okay,
assuming
okay
going
through
that
process,
then
we
would
have
be
able
to
review
it
but
through
trc,
but
would
it
come
to
the
commission
at
all.
G
B
G
B
G
B
On
the
question
of
native
edibles,
I
know
that
native
species
are
a
priority
for
the
city
and
we've
been
working
a
lot.
I
know
greenworks
has
worked
a
lot
with
edibles
overall.
Do
we
have
any
other
push
in
that
way?
I
know
that
that
is
something
we've
been
working
on.
B
I
thought
so
okay
cool.
Well
then
I
know
that's
something
that
we've
been
pushing
with
parks
and
I
know
greenworks
has
been
working
on
that
with
public
housing
as
well.
C
Yeah
and
greenworks
also
has
edible
species
and
that
they
include
in
their
tree
giveaways.
B
F
They
had
a
campaign
called
a
community
thrive
and
a
national
grant
making
program,
and
so
we
received
50
000
to
work
on
urban
forestry
issues,
especially
in
marginalized
communities
and
those
that
have
suffered
impacts
from
urban
renewal
and
redlining.
F
We
have
a
strong
partnership
with
the
housing
authority
and
have
built
up
relationships
over
the
years
with
residents
in
the
different
public
housing
communities,
so
we'll
be
going
through
those
channels
to
get
a
participation
and
permission
to
enter
those
communities
and
work
with
them.
Yeah
so
over
the
next
year,
we'll
be
giving
away
trees
doing
some
targeted
tree
planting
and
tree
giveaways
in
low
elf
communities
and
areas
that
have
little
tree
canopy
and
high
land
surface
temperatures.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
So
as
far
as
our
push
in
this
area
as
a
commission,
I
think
we
still
have
an
open
working
group
on
this,
so
I
know
dawn
and
perrin
and
myself.
I
don't
recall
sorry
if
there
was
anyone
else
in
that
group,
but
we
can
continue
to
have
the
discussion
ed.
Thank
you
continue
to
have
discussions
around
this
and
see
what
else
we
can
do
as
a
group
to
support
greenworks
and
move
forward.
Go
ahead.
C
C
Yeah,
so
don
brought
to
my
attention
late
last
year
that
american
forest,
which
is
the
nation's
oldest
tree
conservation
organization,
is,
is,
is
developing
a
system
for
it's
what
they're
calling
their
environmental
equity
index
system
and
they're
they're
embarking
on
a
project
to
score
500
cities
across
the
united
states.
C
I
think
across
north
america
they
might
be
including
canada
as
well,
and
so
I
reached
out
to
their
president
of
urban
forestry
programs
and
somebody
I've
worked
with
in
the
past
and
asked
them
to
use
asheville
as
a
pilot
city
and
his
his
reply
was
that
basically,
asheville
is
going
to
be
included
along
with
the
other
500
cities
and
they're
going
to
be
developing
indexes
by
the
middle
of
this
year
for
all
500
cities.
C
But
but
he
added
that
there
it
might
be
worthwhile
to
have
a
discussion
with
them
for
for
our
committee
to
have
a
discussion
with
them
to
talk
about
the
communication
phase
of
of
this
index
once
it's
rolled
out
so
and
my
question
to
all
of
you
is:
is
this
something
worth
pursuing,
or
should
we
just
wait
and
see
what
happens.
C
I
mean
I,
I
have
a
sense
that
it
might
might
help
us
tell
a
story
if
we
have
american
forests
behind
us,
because
they
have
some
people
that
are
pretty
good
at
communicating
and
they
might
be
able
to
help
us
highlight
some
things.
So
what
I
can
do
is
is
reply
back
to
ian
and
tell
them
that
we're
available
to
have
a
call
within
the
next
month
or
so.
B
O
Okay
and
amy,
if
I
may,
on
this
topic,
the
last
I
checked
in
one
of
the
aspects
we
talked
about
on
this
front
was
finding
a
way
to
incorporate
this
initiative
into
their
ongoing
discussion
about
reparations
in
asheville
and
in
buncombe
county
last.
I
checked
in
about
this
and
and
kim
rooney's
call
today
kim
was
telling
me
that
there
hasn't
been
a
whole
lot.
That's
happened
in
terms
of
a
point
of
engagement
for
the
public
to
interface,
with
on
the
reparations
discussions.
So
far.
Is
that
still
the
case?
O
Who
can
bring
us
up
to
date
on
sort
of
where
that
process
is
at
and
when
we
could
expect
to
to
interact
with
it?.
H
B
D
Yes,
first,
I
apologize
for
lateness
and
getting
everybody
the
update
on
this
project.
I
just
got
the
proposal
from
buckingham
county
schools
on
friday.
D
I've
explained
this
project
before
in
previous
meetings,
so
I
won't
go
into
the
background
of
that.
On
friday,
we
did
get
two
options
from
buncombe
county
schools
option.
One
is
to
start
this
project
this
year
for
9
600
square
feet
of
the
reforestation
area
that
we
have
proposed,
but
buncombe
county
would
only
be
able
to
pay
about
twelve
thousand
dollars
of
that
cost
and,
according
to
the
estimate
put
together
by
asheville
greenworks,
the
cost
of
the
project
would
be
a
little
over
23
000
option.
Two
would
be
to
wait
until
winter
spring
of
2022.
D
D
The
urban
forest
commission
working
group
on
this
decided
to
recommend
option
two
for
several
reasons.
One
is
which,
of
course,
buncombe
county
would
pay
the
full
cost
of
the
project
and
number
two
we're
hoping
that
by
then
or
even
before,
then
that
the
pandemic
restrictions
would
be
lifted
and
asheville
greenworks
would
be
up
and
running
full
force
and
would
be
in
a
better
position
to
marshal
all
the
forces
that
it
needs
behind
this
project,
and
that
is
the
recommendation
of
the
working
group.
D
I
don't
think,
madam
chair,
that
there
needs
to
be
a
formal
vote
on
this.
Unless
there's
some
kind
of
objection
and
with
that
I'll
answer,
any
questions
that
anybody.
A
D
That
was
the
proposal
that
was
put
together
by
ed
macy
and
eric
bradford.
The
program
director
of
asheville
greenworks.
C
Yeah
sharon,
you
know
most
of
the
tree
species
have
only
been
identified
as
overstory
trees
and
understory
trees,
but
where
we
call
that
poplars
was
in
in
the
parking
lot
area
and
the
whole
intent
was
to
create
an
allele
of
shade
trees,
similar
to
the
effect
that
you
have
at
biltmore
house
with.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
room
there
for
for
poplar
trees
to
mature,
and
they
make
make
a
a
pretty
nice
presence
and
it
seemed
like
perfect
growing
conditions
for
them.
So
that
was
the
intent.
A
Yeah,
I
just
was
looking
for
more.
You
know
very
story
because
I
didn't
know
where
they
were
going
to
go
well.
C
O
C
Would
be
and
actually
continue,
a
trail,
that's
existing
through
the
rest
of
the
schoolyard
along
the
side
of
the
cemetery
to
the
parking
lot.
A
Yeah,
I
walk
that
a
lot.
It's
it's
getting
heavy
duty
destroyed
at
the
moment,
but
right.
N
D
Yeah,
thank
you
steve
and
madam
chair.
I
want
to
thank
you
and
ed
macy
and
the
urban
forestry
commission,
eric
bradford
and
samantha
truman
from
asheville
greenworks
for
all
your
work
and
commitment
on
this
project.
B
Thank
you,
patrick
for
all
of
your
work
and
your
communications
with
the
buncombe
county
schools.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
partnership
that
we've
started
and
hopefully
something
we'll
keep
going
with
and
that'll
lead
into
some
stuff.
We're
gonna
talk
about
later,
with
collaborations
any
other
comments
on
that
particular
project.
B
If
anyone
wants
to
walk
the
site
or
anything,
let
me
know
we
can
head
back
out
there
again
anytime.
All
right,
then
we
will
move
on
to
enforcement,
tracking
and
training
of
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance.
Obviously
we
know
this
is
a
high
priority
for
everyone
in
the
room
nancy.
Did
you
want
to
kick
us
off
with
where
we're
at
with.
I
That
all
right,
so
we
are
working
with
greenworks
to
do
staff
specific
training.
I
need
to
get
my
tone
on
that,
but
I
think
we're
looking
at
it
fairly
shortly
and
then
with
tracking.
I
Currently,
the
elements
that
are
in
there
is
how
much
area
is
preserved,
how
much
tree
canopy
area
so
preserved,
how
much
is
plant
and
how
much
is
planted
and
I
think
the
total
requirement-
or
it's
maybe
it's
and
lou,
but
those
are
the
three
parameters
that
we
are
tracking
in
the
system.
Now
we
haven't
developed
the
reporting,
the
report
for
that
I
have
to
work
with
one
of
our
other
staff
persons
to
create
that
report.
I
But
you
know
we're
working
on
that.
So
then,
once
the
reports
created,
I
can
update
you
at
any
time
at
any,
given
frequency
as
to
where
we
are
with
things
for
what
periods
of
time.
But
so
that's
really
really
yeah.
If
there's
some
other
parameter
that
you
guys
want
to.
A
C
Nancy,
I'm
I'm
most
focused
on
the
physical
protection
of
trees
on
sites
that
have
been
permitted
under
this
new
system,
and
I'm
just
wondering
how
much
of
that
is
really
happening
at
this
point.
C
For
example
there
in
my
neighborhood
there's
it
appears
to
be
a
subdivision.
That's
three
lots
that
are
that
were
once
one
lot
that
that
have
been
subdivided
into
three
building
sites
at
the
corner
of
waynesville
and
millage
and
trees
have
been
left
on
the
property,
but
they're
not
being
physically
separated
from
the
construction
activities.
C
So
I
have
some
pictures
of
heavy
machinery
moving
in
and
around
the
trees
and
compacting
the
soil
in
an
area
where
that
type
of
activity
just
doesn't
have
to
happen.
It
was
they're
moving
the
equipment
just
to
temporarily
store
it
on
the
site.
C
So
so
I'm
wondering
what
is
the
city
waiting
until
the
training
to
start
implementing
this
in
the
field,
or
are
there
standards
for
physical
tree
protection
in
place?
Yet.
K
Nancy,
I
can
help
with
that
if
you'd
like.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
factors
we
can
dig
into
that.
Once
activity
is
occurring,
tree
protection,
fencing
tree
protection
should
be
up.
That
is
our
expectation.
That's
what
we're
looking
for.
Okay,.
L
And
chris,
I
would
add
one
more
thing
and
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
particular
development,
but
remember
the
permit
for
development
would
have
had
to
have
been
applied
for
after
the
adoption
of
the
tree
protection
ordinance.
So
chris,
that's
another
thing.
If
that
was
in
the
queue
before
the
permit
was
in
the
queue
before
the
ordinance
was
adopted,
then
it
wouldn't
apply.
L
C
L
A
Chris,
what
is
the
state
exemption?
Do
you
have
a
number
I
can
look
up?
Is
that
particular
to
rolling
equipment
over
grounds
or
grading
or
what
what's
the
exemption
you're
citing.
K
So
I'll
I'll
put
a
link
in
the
the
chat
for
you
guys
here
in
a
minute
once
I
can
track
it
down.
I
have
a
pretty
handy,
but
there
are
state
laws
surrounding
subdivisions
and
what
is
a
subdivision
and
what's
in
a
sense,
plat,
so
there's
some
specific
scenarios
in
which
we
can't
really
tell
them
what
to
do
with
what
they're
doing
one.
K
Is
like
if
the
and
my
brain's
escaping
me,
so
I
can't
give
you
exact
numbers,
but
if
the
parcel
is
of
a
certain
size
and
they're
only
creating
three
lots
out
of
that
parcel,
then
they
have
an
exempt
and
I'll,
like.
I
said
I'll
pop
a
link
in
there,
but
there's
a
couple
of
kind
of
specific
scenarios
that
some
things
will
fall
into,
but
when
they
don't,
then
tree
production
would
need
to
be
identified
on
that
subdivision
would
need
to
be
recorded
with
the
plat
and
when
building
permits
were
finally
obtained.
A
K
B
If
anyone
can
think
of
anything
else
that
we
would
like
to
track
right
off
the
bat,
let's
get
that
to
nancy
and
then
obviously
we
want
to
be
updated
monthly
for
these
meetings
do
we
want
to
be
updated
more
often
than
that
at
this
point,
anybody
have
any
requirement
for
more
than
once
a
month,
okay.
Well
then,
let's
just
shoot
for
that.
Maybe
when
the
agenda
comes
out
would
be
our
goal.
B
So
having
that
information
to
prepare
for
the
meeting
and
then
the
other
piece
of
this
so
nancy
touched
on
the
education
piece,
so
I'm
going
to
work
with
dawn
as
well
on
the
training
that
we'll
give
to
the
city
and
we're
also
going
to
extend
that
training
as
much
as
we
can
to
the
community,
starting
with
developers
and
home
builders,
and
then
obviously
we
need
to
talk
about
and
we'll
see
how
this
goes
along.
B
It's
going
to
be
a
work
in
progress,
but
how
to
implement
the
fee
and
loo
money
that
we
collect.
So
at
this
point,
obviously
we
don't
have
anything
to
go
on
that.
I
know
of
so
it's
going
to
be
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
work
out
as
this
comes
up.
But
does
anybody
have
any
thoughts
at
this
point
about
anything
wrapped
around
that
ordinance
or
the
fees.
B
Nope
jump
in
if
you
have
anything
all
right,
any
other
comments
on
this
process
with
the
ordinance.
B
All
right,
I
don't
anticipate
this,
leaving
our
agenda
anytime
soon,
so
we're
going
to
revisit
this,
you
know
every
meeting
every
chance
we
have
so
as
things
come
up,
we'll
address
them.
Oh,
I
did
want
to
add
into
that.
I
don't
think
we
have
it
anywhere
else.
B
The
heritage,
trees,
provision
we're
still
working
on
having
that
in
our
mind
that
it's
something
we
want
to
add
in
so
just
to
put
it
out
there
that
we're
still
working
on
getting
heritage,
trees,
protected
or
incentivized
for
protection
within
the
ordinance,
but
we'll
have
to
kind
of
see
how
this
goes
and
at
what
point
we're
able
to
modify
it.
So
anything
else,
all
right,
then,
moving
on
to
the
mission
statement,
so
we're
still
working
on
it,
stephen
perrin,
get
back
to
me.
B
I
think
last
was
the
draft
that
I
sent
to
you
both.
So
if
you
have
any
thing
to
add
to
that,
we'll
get
it
back
and
I'll
take
another
look
as
well
and
see.
If
there's
anything,
we
can
touch
up
on
that
and
then
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
group.
Any
comments
on
mission
statement.
O
B
B
O
I
do
thank
you
amy,
so
things
have
changed
a
lot
in
our
stance
towards
the
open
space
amendment
since
the
last
time
we
visited
this
topic
as
everyone.
I
think
everyone
would
remember.
We
had
initially
passed
a
motion
opposing
the
open
space
amendment
as
drafted
and
subsequently,
as
we
continued
conversations
with
city
staff,
some
chain
conditions
seemed
to
change
in
a
way
that
caused
many
members
of
the
commission
to
issue
a
letter,
sort
of
saying.
Well,
we've
done
what
we
could
do
here.
O
However,
we've
continued
to
pursue
the
topic
with
the
the
city
and
the
good
news
is
that
we
had
a
really
productive
meeting
with
todd
cheney
and
I
I
think
ben
woody
might
have
also
been
a
part
of
that
meeting.
Apologies
to
anyone
who's
being
left
out
here,
who
was
in
that
meeting,
because
it's
been
long
enough
that
I
actually
don't
remember
everybody
who
was
in
the
meeting,
but
in
any
case
we
had
a
productive
conversation.
O
I
felt
as
though,
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
there,
you
know
chime
in
what
your
sense
was,
but
my
sense
was
that
the
city
was
making
a
good
faith
effort
to
hear
our
concerns
to
attempt
to
see
if
there's
an
agreement
that
could
be
reached
and
a
middle
ground
that
could
be
reached
in
the
way
of
a
compromise
or
accommodating
the
concerns
that
we
are
raising.
O
I
my
sense
was
that
todd
was
looking
at
this
with
a
fresh
set
of
eyes
in
the
interest
of
compromise.
Other
things
have
you
know
other
actors
within
the
debate
over
the
open
space.
Amendment
such
as
can
such
as
stacy
continue
to
be
really
interested
in
this
topic.
O
These
folks
also
were
under
the
impression
that
there
was
no
chance
for
any
further
discussion
on
this
and
so
similarly
sort
of
said.
Well,
we
did
what
we
could
do
here,
so
suffice
it
to
say
that
discussions
are
ongoing.
O
We
todd
just
reached
out
to
us
the
other
day,
maybe
yesterday,
to
set
up
our
next
meeting
to
discuss
where
the
city,
what
the
city's
staff's
conclusions
have
been
based
on
our
previous
discussion,
I'm
optimistic
that
we're
going
to
hear
some
good
news
about
changes
that
we
asked
for,
and
so
so
all
that
said,
the
official
formal
position
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
is
still
that
we
are
opposed
to
the
open
space
amendment
as
drafted.
That
is
the
motion
we
voted
on
and
passed
unanimously.
O
I
think
that's
that's
beneficial
in
the
sense
that,
because
there
still
is
time
and
good
will,
I
hope
to
to
continue
looking
for
a
solution
to
our
concerns.
Our
primary
concerns.
Those
four
concerns
that
we
raised
in
our
motion.
O
You
know
that
positions
us
well
to
continue
negotiating
with
city
staff,
so
I
don't
have
any
news
as
to
the
particulars
of
what
the
staff
has
agreed
to
or
is
willing
to
agree
to
do,
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
about
that.
I
think
it
might
be
next
week
when
todd's
asked
about
having
a
meeting
or
perhaps
the
week
week
after
so
we
should
have
substantive
news
about
potential
changes
that
city
staff
is
willing
to
make
on
the
open
space
amendment
soon.
O
I
hope-
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
about
that,
but
suffice
it
to
say
discussions
are
ongoing.
Negotiations
are
ongoing.
The
urban
forestry
commission
is
still
standing
by
its
opposition
to
the
osa
as
drafted
and
pushing
for
beneficial
changes
that
will
better
align
the
goals
of
asheville,
the
city
of
asheville
and
the
ufc
to
protect
and
expand
and
restore
the
urban
canopy
in
asheville
with
the
pending
changes
to
the
open
space
amendment.
O
D
So
you
know
that's
a
a
great
update
from
parent
and
I
too
feel
optimistic
that
we
can
make
some
more
substantive
changes
in
the
proposed
open
space
amendment.
D
The
other
two
were
rejected
for
legal
reasons,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
our
motion
then
stands
and
whether
we
should
keep
the
motion
opposing
the
open
space
amendment
for
now
or
whether
we
rescind
it
and
then
wait
to
see
how
the
discussions
go
and
then
consider
our
position
on
it
again.
O
Well,
I
would
just
I
would
add,
patrick
to
your
comments
that
I
wouldn't
characterize
our
demands
as
being
rejected
for
legal
reasons.
I
think
that
explanations
have
been
given
for
reluctance
to
do
what
we
have
asked
that
referenced
legal
staff,
which
is
different
from
saying
that
our
our
demands
have
been
rejected
for
legal
reasons.
O
I
think
it's
been
quite
opaque
and
quite
untransparent.
The
way
in
which
the
arguments
have
been
raised
about
why
the
city
is
reluctant
to
go
along
with
the
things
that
we
have
called
for.
So
I
would,
I
would
offer
a
friendly
revision
to
your
comments.
You
are,
you
are
echoing
a
lot
of
what
was
said
by
city
staff,
but
I
you
know
what
I
have
found
through
digging
through
this
is
that
it's
not
as
cut
and
dried
as
it
was
presented
to
us
about.
O
Oh,
we
can't
do
this
for
legal
reasons.
It's
more.
We
would
prefer
not
to
do
these
things
and
somebody
in
legal
said
that
that
we
would
prefer
not
to
do
it
so,
preferring
not
to
do
it
and
not
being
able
to
do
it
by
law
are
two
completely
different
things,
and
so
I
want
to
keep
those
things
straight.
O
I
would
advocate
for
maintaining
the
status
quo,
which
is
ufc
opposition
to
the
open
space
amendment
as
it
stands,
particularly
in
in
light
of
the
fact
that
we
don't
know
if
any
changes
have
been
made
so
far.
We
might
as
well
maintain
our
position
and
keep
our
options
open.
D
Okay,
all
right
well
that's
unfortunate,
because
he
would
be
able
to
give
us
a
better
sense
of
whether
the
the
explanation
that
we
got
from
planning
and
urban
design
was,
as
parents
said,
merely
a
preference
from
the
legal
department
or
if
the
legal
department
really
has
a
legal
position
on
that.
D
So
I
think
that
it
just
sort
of
a
friendly
suggestion
to
perrin
that.
Maybe
we
suggest
to
todd
that
that
the
next
meeting
that
maybe
eric
edgerton
be
there-
and
we
can
get
some
of
this
legal
issues,
whether
it's
preference
or
a
real
legal
objection
off
the
table,
and
we
can
move
on.
C
I
just
checked
and
eric
was
included
in
the
meeting-
invite
that
todd
sent
out
today.
So
I
don't
know
how
he
responded,
but
he
was
invited.
O
Yeah-
and
I
would
just
add
the
attorney
the
city
attorney,
who
is
present
in
the
meeting.
The
arguments
that
he
raised
were
about
logical
inconsistencies
in
the
arguments
that
have
been
raised
against
the
open
space
amendment.
So
he
actually
wasn't
making
legal
arguments
in
our
last
meeting
that
we
had
with
city
staff
he's
a
lawyer,
but
he
was.
He
was
talking
about
how
our
arguments
didn't
weren't,
consistent
with
other
arguments.
B
So
if
I
can
sum
up,
it
sounds
to
me
like
the
working
group
still
has
work
to
do
so.
We
can
keep
it
open,
go
ahead
kim
if
you
had
a
comment.
H
Sure,
just
just
for
just
like
a
timeline
information,
it's
my
understanding
that
the
amendment
to
the
udo
regarding
open
space
requirements
has
been
continued
until
may
25th,
so
because
this
group
meets
monthly.
There
are
more
opportunities
to
speak
to
this
matter
before
it
comes
to
a
council
decision.
B
B
I
personally
agree
that
at
this
point
we
don't
need
to
make
any
change
to
that
until
we
have
more
concrete
information,
more
detail
from
the
city
about
what's
actually
going
to
go
to
council,
at
which
point
we
can
decide,
and
we
have
some
time
to
do
so.
Does
that
sound
like
the
way
we'd
want
to
proceed.
B
Okay,
well,
then,
I
think
we
keep
the
working
group
intact
and
definitely
have
your
meeting.
That
sounds
like
is
in
process
to
be
planned
for
the
next
steps.
So
nancy
did
you
have
a
comment?
Yes,.
I
Sorry,
small
interruption
they're
just
there
that
you
members
are
members
and
the
public
are
aware
we
are
called,
we
are
having
some
streaming
issues
and
the
video
is
currently
paused
on
youtube
and
public
input.
However,
the
audio
is
working,
so
we
will
proceed
with
the
meeting
and
our
its
staff
is
working
on
fixing
the
video.
With
the
background.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
think
that
means,
if
you
speak-
and
this
is
amy
smith-
the
chair
identify
yourself
with
your
comments.
Please
all
right,
any
other
comments
on
the
open
space
amendment
so
we'll
keep
the
working
group
going
and
hopefully
have
a
report
back
by
next
time.
N
Yes,
good
afternoon,
chair,
thank
you,
hope,
everybody's
doing
well
after
the
holidays,
I
have
been
in
contact
quite
a
bit
over
the
past
couple
weeks
with
the
contractor
from
the
property
and
he's
been
giving
me
some
updated
measurements
to
say
all
that.
I
believe
they
are
over
by
a
few
hundred
square
feet
based
on
the
information
provided.
N
So
it
appears
that
they're
going
to
have
to
go
back
to
the
board
of
adjustment,
as
the
board
had
approved
about
not
quite
five
years
five
years
ago
about
four
and
a
half,
seven
thousand
three
hundred
and
fifty
square
feet,
I'm
getting
information
around
seven,
seven
thousand
four
hundred
and
fifty
seventy
five
hundred.
So
it
is
technically
over.
It
doesn't
sound
like
it's
grossly
over,
although
it
is
a
very.
B
Positive
way
for
just
a
second
just
to
give
some
context
to
this,
this
is
a
project
that
was
in
the
steep
slope
zone,
and
so
it
falls
under
the
grading
permits
as
well
as
tree
removal
permit
requirements
in
steep
slope
if
that's
correct,
so
just
want
to
give
everybody
a
background
on
that,
and
the
developer
was
found
in
violation
of
their
permits,
and
so
the
update
here
is
on
how
the
enforcement
of
the
violation
is
going.
Sorry,
thank
you.
N
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I
should
have
probably
gave
more.
I
guess
y'all
are
not
living
and
breathing
this
every
day
yeah,
so
I
it
just
to
go
back
real
quickly.
Maybe
for
the
council,
reps
benefit
is
that
there
had
been
a
couple
landslides
back
in
like
2012
and
2015,
that
caused
slope
failure
and
which
basically
utilized
the
allowed
grading
for
the
zone
b
of
this
lot.
N
N
It
was
above
the
old
logging
road
bench,
and
so
the
board
did
grant
that
so
it's
7,
500
7
350
square
feet
over
and
above
what
would
normally
normally
be
allowed
for
zone
b.
So
the
the
landslide
area
is
is
clearly
very
obvious
and
that's
kind
of
grown
over
with
brambles.
So
that's
not
the
area
that
may
have
been
redisturbed,
but
that
was
okay
to
do
utility.
N
This
is
the
area,
that's
on
the
top
end
of
the
property
off
sunset
sort
of
the
actual
house
seat.
So
that's
what
the
board
had
allowed
about
four
and
a
half
years
ago
is
the
7
350.,
and
so
the
contractors
went
out
there
and
re-measured
everything,
and
it
does
seem
to
be
kind
of
coming
close
to
what
some
of
our
enforcement
grading
staff
had
also
found.
They
had
found
about
8
000
square
feet
of
land
disturbance
and
the
contractors
tell
me
about
7
500,
but
in
any
case
it's
over
is
over
this
the
allowance.
A
So
I
got
a
couple
issues
on
excela
they're,
showing
that
the
notice
of
violation
is
closed.
On
the
when
I
sent
an
email
to
monty
about
the
trees
that
were
removed
where
the
utility
trench
was-
and
it
says,
and
the
monkey
responded
that
the
arborist
report
said
that
those
trees
were
dead.
But
the
arborist
report
didn't
say
that
the
arborist
report
said
that
one
of
the
trees
was
dead
and
two
others
just
needed
turning
and
watching,
but
they
removed
the
trees
anyway
at
the
bottom
to
put
in
their
utility
trench.
A
So,
okay,
so
they
did
that
and
then
my
thing
is
that
they
removed
them.
That
doesn't
make
it
okay
for
them
to
see
overseed
it
with
a
long
seed
and
not
replant
any
trees
on
either
side
of
the
trench
where
they
can
get
and
replant,
because
they
did
remove
them.
And
I
did
read
the
arborist
report
unless
there
was
a
new
arborist
report
that
wasn't
submitted
on
axela
arborist
report
was
a
couple
years
old,
maybe
three
years
old.
I
can't
remember
now.
A
I
have
it
all
printed,
so
that
was
one
of
my
issues
with
it
and
then
another
of
my
issues
is.
I
can't
figure
out
how
many
more
trees
they're
going
to
replace
with
the
ones
that
were
removed
being
on
a
steep
slope
b
and
because
the
plan
is
submitted
doesn't
say
on
the
reparations
of
how
many
were
removed,
because
there
were
several
removed
that
are
not
being
asked
to
be
replanted.
The
only
ones
are
asking
to
be
replaced
or
what
was
for
the
original
design
of
the
new
owners.
A
A
N
Holiday
or
what
but
I
did
actually
send
a
separate
nose
of
violation
regarding
grading
at
the
house
site
on
the
uphill
side.
A
A
I
know
I
figured
you
did
that's
why
I
didn't
bug
you,
but
what's
going
on
with
me,
is
I
get
neighbors
asking
me?
The
only
way
I
know
is
to
get
on
excela
and
look
to
see
what's
going
on,
and
so
then
I
tell
the
people
to
contact
me.
It's
in
the
works
and
as
soon
as
we
have
an
ufc
meeting
I'll
find
out
or
I
can
find
out
beforehand,
because
I
know
I
can
always
email
you
right
now.
A
The
the
the
problem
is
with
the
quantity
other
than
the
amount
of
grading,
and
I'm
hoping
you
don't
take
the
contractor's
word
for
what
they're
saying
and
the
city
goes
out
and
the
inspector
actually
measures
whether
it's
200
square
feet
over
or
500
square
feet
over.
N
Yeah
we'll
need
more
information,
but
it
sounds
like
this
point:
they're
pulling
the
trigger
for
a
board
of
adjustment
action
to
be
revisited
so
we'll
we'll
have
to
have
a
some
much
more
quality
information
submitted
for
the
board
itself,
as
opposed
to
some
hand
measuring,
but
we're
definitely
at
a
trigger
and
and
and
I've
just
emailed
them
back
today
say
are
we
understand
this
is
like
7460
or
what
are
we
on
a
final
total,
but
I
haven't,
but
I
did
tell
that
it
appears
to
be
a
board
of
adjustment
requirement
that
we're
going
to
go
back.
A
N
Well,
I
mean
they'll
be
reopening
to
basically
it's
not
reopening
the
case,
but
they'll
basically
have
to
like
a
better
term,
revisit
the
variants
and
it's
possible
that
they
could
grant
it.
They
could
grant
it
and
require
additional
conditions
that
could
be
more
tree
planning
or
some
other
mitigation
as
part
of
their
variance
if
they
grant
it.
The
board
may
also
deny
it.
I
can't
you
know.
A
O
I
N
But
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
tree
they're
enumerating
in
the
report,
but
yeah
and
but
and
I
did
see
some
evergreens
planted
on
the
site
that
were
part
of
the
original
variants,
because
there
was
some
tree.
I
think
about
10
trees
required
to
be
replanted
as
part
of
the
variants
around
the
property,
but
they
seem
to
be
like
an
evergreen
in
nature.
So
I
I
don't
know
if
there
were
white
ponds
or
what
they
were,
but
they
seemed
to
be
some
sort
of
evergreen
and
and
maybe
even
some
they
weren't
hemlocks.
A
Well,
according
to
the
neighbors
and
arborist
report,
there
are
hardwoods
so,
but
and
then
it
brings
up
my
storm
water
problem
that
I
have
continually
is:
why
is
it
okay
to
take
out
trees
and
shrubs
and
then
over
and
then
repair
it
with
just
seed?
And
so
then
you
get
this.
A
I
mean
I've
got
it
over
on
the
property
that
I'm
dealing
with
where
all
these
trees
come
out
and
then
the
reparations
on
it
is
just
to
throw
some
seed
down
and
be
done
with
it,
and
I
mean
when
you
go
out
and
take
a
look
at
it
looks
like
a
a
water
slide.
A
You
know
it's
right
in
the
middle
and
it's
huge
because
it's
steep
slope
b
and
it
should
I
mean
I
know
that's
another
thing-
that
we
have
to
look
at
changing.
But
for
sure
this
arborist
report
said
these
trees
shouldn't
have
come
out
and
they
did
and
I'm
saying
that
we
need
to
add
some
more
trees
in
that
area
if
they
remove
those
trees
and
they
shouldn't
come
out.
Evergreens,
I
know
are
part
of
the
the
land
clearing.
This
is
a
different.
A
N
A
I
have
an
email
monty
with
it,
where
I
I
said
all
of
this
and
and
then
they
it
got
closed
anyway
without
a
response
to
me.
But
so,
if
you
could,
let
me
know
that
would
be
good
and
thank
you
for
keeping
up
with
this.
C
I
did
earlier
on
just
just
to
be
clear:
this
isn't
the
property
on
sunset
drive
on
sunset
that
we
deliberated
later
last
year.
C
New
business,
though,
and
old
businesses
first,
I
heard
of
this
well.
B
Yeah,
I
know
no
nothing
new,
so
to
speak
on
sunset
summit.
That's
that.
C
D
N
We've
not
been
making
recommendations
on
any
variances
over
the
past
three
or
four
years.
We
just
leave
it
to
the
applicant
to
make
the
case,
but
we'll
be
obviously
re-advertising
posting
the
property
and
notifying
all
the
property
owners
within
a
200-foot
radius
of
the
property
boundary.
So
that
said,
you
know
we'll
be
be
giving
the
history
of
what's
occurred.
Obviously
you
know
go
back
I'll.
N
So
that
means
not
saying,
but
somebody
from
this
commission
can
call
in
too
or
voice
some
concerns,
so
not
saying
you
have
to,
but
that
that
is
obviously
a
public
meeting
and
anybody
in
the
can
voice
that
concern
or
recommendation
or
thoughts.
D
So,
madam
chair,
if
this
case
does
go
back
to
the
board
of
adjustments,
would
it
be
appropriate
for
the
commission
to
write
a
statement
or
make
a
recommendation
to
the
board
on
this
project?.
B
I
don't
know
I'd
have
to
get
clarification
that
I
I
assume
we
can
but
we'll
find
out
about
that,
but
I
definitely
think
we
should
keep
this
somewhat
open
and
look
for
updates
from
ricky
and
yeah.
We
can
see
if
that
is
appropriate
for
us
as
a
group
to
do
that
so
I'll
I'll
find
out
about
that.
B
B
B
B
All
right
everyone
I
have
440,
so
if
we
are
back
all
right,
looks
like
that
break
went
over
well.
So
thanks
everybody
all
right
looks
like
we're
back.
Okay.
Well,
then
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
new
business,
all
right,
so,
first
up
in
new
business.
Most
of
us
know
that,
on
our
roster
of
official
members
of
the
commission
are
ex-officio
members
voting
members
from
greenworks,
msd
and
duke
and
in
the
ordinance,
it's
actually
so
old
that
they
are
misnamed
a
couple
of
those.
B
So
what
we're
wondering
or
just
to
put
up
for
discussion
is:
do
we
want
to
make
or
try
to
make
some
ordinance
changes
to
those
members
if
they're
not
going
to
attend
in
person?
So
we
know
we
have
really
good
representation
from
greenworks
and
don.
We
appreciate
you
being
here
and
voting
and
discussing
with
us,
but
we
have
not
seen
in
my
three
years
here
ever
anyone
from
msd
and
only
maybe
twice
in
my
three
years
on
the
commission.
The
representative
from
duke
duke,
does
a
great
job
of
sending
us
their
updates.
B
G
Problem
as
chair
wondering
you
know
what
what
to
do
about
attendance,
you
know
they.
They
do
count
well
at
least
the
my
understanding,
the
duke
chair,
the
jew
person
counted
as
a
voting
member
in
greenworks,
not
so
much
msd,
but
we
do
need
their
involvement,
particularly
msd,
and
which
has
been
missing
in
action
for
a
long
time
and
due
as
appropriate,.
B
Yeah,
I
agree
that
it
would
be
ideal
if
they
were
all
at
the
table.
But
if
they're
not.
E
B
To
be
here
so
as
a
first
step,
I've
been
talking
to
ben
and
others
about
reaching
out
and
seeing
if
we
can
build
that
relationship
and
get
someone
to
attend
the
meeting,
because
it
would
be
super
helpful,
particularly
with
alternative
compliance
and
other
issues
that
we
have.
If
we
had
that
knowledge
that
they
could
bring.
B
But
if
it's
just
never
going
to
happen,
do
we
want
to
work
on?
You
know
possibly
changing
the
ordinance,
so
it's
not
in
there
any
longer.
Now
one
thing
to
consider
and
nancy
might
have
some
more
on
this
excuse
me
is:
if
we
do
rewrite
the
ordinance
we'd
have
to
take
a
look
at
whether
we
have
to
throw
out
all
three
of
those
positions,
pardon
me
or
if
we're
able
to
keep
on
you
know,
for
example,
greenworks
who's.
Actually
here
so
I
don't
know
nancy.
If
you
had
any
more
information
on
that.
I
No,
I
I
mean
I
don't.
I
would
look
at
look
to
ben
and.
C
For
example,
maybe
keep
keep
the
seats,
but
don't
identify
them
as
ms
msd
or
or
duke,
which
will
allow
us
to
bring
more
people
onto
the
commission,
which
would
better
enable
us
to
stagger
in
a
way
that
would
provide
for
succession
planning,
which
was
another
agenda
item
that
we
have.
So
it's
that
kind
of
thinking.
I
think
that
we
should
put
into
this
to
really
identify
our
needs
and
what
we
want
to
look
like
if
we're
going
to
mess
with
it
at
all.
B
I
agree
ben
did
you
have
something
go
ahead.
L
Yeah
thanks,
madam
chair,
I
was
just
gonna
and
I
think
that
makes
sense.
Ed
is
just
like
working
through
this,
but
I
will
confirm
that
the
way
I
read
the
ordinance
the
carolina
progress,
energy
of
duke
energy
greenworks
and
they
were
called
something
else
in
the
ordinance
and
msd
are
voting
members
of
the
tree
commission
or
urban
forestry
commission.
L
B
Yeah
thanks
ben
and
ed
to
your
point.
I
definitely
don't
think
this
is
something
we're
going
to
rush
into.
This
is
our
first
blush
at
talking
through
it,
and
you
know
I'm
open.
I
think,
as
we
all
are
too
any
sort
of
arrangement
that
would
keep
people
here,
people
with
ideas
and
insights
and
expertise
right
now.
It
states
in
the
ordinance
that
the
commission
is
seven
members
plus
the
three
additional
exoficio
positions.
B
So
again,
if
it's
something
that
we
look
into
as
far
as
what
we're
able
to
alter
there,
then
we
could
look
at
how
that
changes,
but
we
do
need
to
regardless
of
how
we
change
it.
There
are
errors
in
the
wording
of
the
ordinance
you
know
as
far
as
updates
with
the
name
of
the
commission
and
these
other
entities,
so
we
do
need
to
do
something.
B
So
at
this
point,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
up
that
our
first
step
is
going
to
be
outreach
to
see
if
we
can
get
these,
especially
the
utilities
to
join
us,
and
if
that
is
unsuccessful,
then
we'll
have
to
look
at
plan
b
being
to
rewrite
that
to
not
include
them.
If
they're
not
going
to
be
here
so
any
other
comments
or
yeah
go
ahead.
O
Thank
you,
so
I
I
just
want
to
say
in
a
vacuum,
it
seems
like
getting
rid
of
absentee
members
or
the
requirement
of
accommodating
absentee
members
who
don't
participate
is
preferable
because
they
can
always
show
up
to
the
meeting
and
come
provide
duke's
perspective
or
msd's
perspective
as
a
meeting
participant.
That's
not
necessarily
a
voting
member.
So
so
there's
no
harm
done.
You
know
all
other
things
being
equal,
there's
no
harm
done
there.
The
on
the
flip
side.
O
One
thing
that
you
brought
to
mind
for
me
amy,
is
that
that
the
quorum
issues.
This
is
very
interesting.
If
we
have
10
voting
members,
it's
it's
not
five
for
a
quorum,
it's
six
for
a
quorum
which
is
really
significant
to
the
committee
in
a
couple
of
different
ways.
One
is
how
many
members
we
need
present
to
hold
a
meeting
six,
given
that
we
usually
have
seven
or
eight
presents.
O
You
know
that
that
doesn't
leave
us
a
lot
of
wiggle
room
to
in
order
to
achieve
a
quorum
to
hold
a
meeting
and
conduct
business.
Secondly,
there's
an
advantage
in
the
sense
that
if
the
quorum
is
six
and
not
five,
that
gives
us
more
flexibility
in
conversations
between
meetings
and
what
have
you.
So
there
are
multiple
considerations
to
to
sort
of
vet
as
we're
thinking
about
how
we
want
to
handle
this.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
parent
and
I've
been
thinking
about
the
quorum
issues
as
well.
I
don't
know
again,
I'm
not
savvy
enough
about
what
the
difference
with
ex
officio
and
others
if
that
counts,
toward
the
quorum
or
not.
So
I
agree
that
we
have
to
take
all
of
this
into
consideration
and
yeah.
I
don't
know
if,
at
this
point
we
want
to
have
a
working
group.
B
I
think
we
can
wait
until
our
retreat,
possibly
and
and
dive
into
this
more
if
that's,
okay
with
everyone,
I
just
at
this
point,
wanted
to
bring
it
up
so
that
we
can
start
talking
about
what
everything
will
entail.
G
I
think
all
voting
members
would
count
toward
the
quorum
from
a
legal
standpoint,
but
we
had
previously
looked
at
msd.
Maybe
incorrectly
is
not
the
same,
maybe
because
they're
non-participation
for
a
number
of
years,
and
that
was
direction
we
took,
but
perhaps
incorrectly.
So
we
need
to
start
afresh
and
figure
out
what
the
appropriate
role
is.
D
Yeah,
I've
already
done
a
draft
of
revisions
for
chapter
two
administration
and
I
forget
what
the
section
is,
but
the
one
that
deals
with
the
tree
commission,
as
it's
now
stated
so
I've
already
put
together
a
proposed
amendment
for
that
section
of
chapter
two.
B
M
Thanks
amy,
it's
definitely
been
a
long
time
since
msd
had
a
visitor
on
this
board.
I've
been
participating
on
it
for
23
years
now,
and
I've
only
seen
an
msd
person
twice.
I
think,
and
that
was
when
they
were
invited
to
come
back
after
being
gone
for
a
long
time.
M
I
don't
think
they
maybe
have
a
strong
sense
of
need
to
participate,
even
though
sewer
lines
and
tree
roots
can
definitely
conflict
with
each
other.
In
the
you
know,
at
the
same
space,
at
the
same
time,
duke
energy,
though
you
know
previously
carolina
power
and
light
previously
progress,
energy
and
then
carolina
power
online
before
that
they
have
a
huge
impact
on
trees,
along
rights
of
way
along
private
properties,
and
so
I
wouldn't
think
that
abandoning
contact
with
them
or
their
full
participation
in
the
board
would
be
a
good
idea.
M
I
agree
with
ben
that
maybe
trying
to
woo
them
back
would
be
a
good
thing.
Duke
spends
a
lot
of
money
every
year,
buying
small
trees
so
that
they
don't
get
into
conflict
with
power
lines,
and
so
just
nothing
else.
Because
of
that
contribution,
making
a
good
faith
effort
to
restore
the
relationship
that,
in
all
candor
kind
of
deteriorated,
went
during
a
meeting
when
there
was
a
very
adversarial
relationship
between
the
board
and
duke's
representative,
and
then
he
didn't
show
up
for
a
long
time.
After
that,
I
felt
his
pain
on
that.
E
Thank
you
mark
for
your
your
historic
input.
That's
great
you're
welcome.
B
I
was
going
to
echo
what
cecil
just
said:
yeah.
Thank
you
because
I
know
I
wasn't
here
at
that
time
and
some
of
the
rest
of
us,
and
I
agree
that,
ideally,
these
people
would
be
here
because
the
what
they
do
does
impact
what
we
do
and
vice
versa.
B
So
one
question
that
you
know
ben
and
I
were
talking
about-
is:
do
we
have
the
correct
representative
from
these
groups
as
who
is
signed
up
to
be
here
and
maybe
through
this
outreach
we
could
find
a
better
person,
a
liaison
that
would
have
those
interests
in
mind.
So
great
discussion.
Thank
you,
everybody
anything
else
all
right.
B
Well,
then,
I'm
going
to
keep
working
on
that
as
part
of
my
duties
is
seeing
how
we
can
do
that
outreach
and
see
where
we
go
and
if
anyone
has
any
other
relationships
already
reach
out
to
me,
and
we
can
see
if
we
can
build
that
back
up
and
then
short
of
that,
then
we'll
look
at
revising
the
ordinance
all
right.
B
Next,
we
have
partnerships
with
the
county
to
address
development
and
canopy
preservation,
and
I
know
this
is
really
big
right.
Now
is
particularly
with
two
developments
that
are
abutting
the
city
of
asheville,
particularly
the
crossroads
development
and
the
river
bluffs.
I
may
have
that
name
incorrect,
but
in
woodfin,
so
right
now,
I'm
just
opening
it
up
for
discussion.
B
C
Yeah
amy,
the
tree
protection
task
force,
discussed
this
with
their
meeting
last
week
and
we're
probably
going
to
have
a
lot
more
discussion
around
this
topic.
A
couple
of
thoughts
were
to
one
make
presentations
to
elected
officials,
not
only
about
urban
forestry,
but
about
tree
ordinances
and
tree
protection
on
construction
site.
It's
it's
not
at
all
uncommon
for
county
governments
to
have
tree
ordinances
for
those
unincorporated
areas
and
then
the
second
thing
is
to
work
with
folks
in
in
buncombe
county,
to
establish
an
urban
forestry
commission.
B
Excellent-
and
I
believe
all
of
us
who
live
right
in
asheville
also
are
part
of
buncombe
county,
so
we
do
have
some
standing
there
as
well.
So,
but
I
agree
with
that.
Working
with
our
our
partners,
through
the
non-profit,
actual
green
works
and
the
tree
protection
task
force
is
definitely
a
good
way
to
go
any
other
thoughts
and
ideas
on
this.
How
we
can
try
to
build
those
bridges.
B
O
I
I
would
just
throw
in
there
that,
in
conversations
with
the
county
about
this,
it
would
be
helpful.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
reinforce
a
message.
O
That's
been
a
theme
throughout
the
crossroads
fight
as
well
as
others,
which
is
that
the
process
of
collecting
public
input
on
changes
or
variances
that
come
before
the
the
board
of
adjustment
are
not
accessible
to
ordinary
citizens
and
helping
if
we
can
help
put
our
our
hand
on
that
lever
to
push
for
a
more
accessible
and
transparent
process
that
everyday
people
can
participate
in
without
having
to
hire
an
attorney.
O
I
think
that
that
would
benefit
the
outcomes
in
buncombe
county
on
these
development
projects
and
help
the
folks
who
are
on
the
board
of
adjustment
and
other
decision-making
bodies.
If,
if
there
is
an
urban
forestry
commission
for
the
county,
that's
created
or
whoever
ends
up
receiving,
that
comment
would
help
them
to
receive
more
full
and
complete
comments
from
the
public.
B
F
Yeah
asheville
greenworks
has
been
talking
to
folks
in
the
county
government
and
on
staff
at
the
county
for
years
now
and
trying
to
figure
out
what,
if
any
protections
there
were
for
for
trees,
which
there
aren't
any
and
we
about
a
year
ago.
I
think
it
was
nate
pennington
from
the
county
was
talking
about
starting
a
strategic
planning
process
for
the
county
and
was
interested
in
including
urban
forestry
in
that
and
tree
canopy.
F
The
timeline
is
on
getting
that
rolling,
but
we're
we're
trying
to
keep
up
to
date
with
what's
going
on
and
we'll
continue
pushing
I've
met
with
a
couple
of
commissioners
and
talked
to
them
about
the
need
for
some
sort
of
organization
around
pre-protection
and
canopy
preservation
at
the
county
level
as
well.
So
I'll
keep
you
all
posted.
D
B
Thanks,
patrick,
that's
great,
that
actually
brings
up
oh
sorry
paranoia,
but
it
brings
up.
Actually
another
piece
of
the
puzzle
is
not
only
the
collaborations
with
the
county,
but
also
across
boards
and
commissions,
and
this
is
something
we'll
continue
to
talk
about.
I
don't
think
I
said
I
don't
even
have
it
on
the
agenda,
but
it
can
fall
within
here
as
well
that
building
these
relationships
everywhere.
We
can
so
that
all
of
these
projects
and
and
concerns
have
the
the
backing
and
and
education
and
whatever
we
can
address
as
far
as
canopy.
B
One
idea
I
had
that
we'll
get
to
when
we
talk
about
a
retreat,
was
to
invite
whoever
we
can
get
from
the
county
commissioners
and
otherwise
to
our
retreat
to
start
that
dialogue
and
have
them
at
the
table
with
us.
Hopefully.
So
that
was
one
other
idea.
G
I'd
like
to
see
other
commissions
represented
too.
Yes,
we
did
that
last
time.
Last
time
we
were
able
to
have
a
retreat.
We
had
some
two
people
from
stacy
there
and
coordinated
with
them
the
best
we
could.
I
think
we
should
continue
that
tradition
as
much
as
possible.
A
couple.
K
G
Commissions,
at
least
that
you
know
have
some
strong
relationship
with
our
commission.
B
All
right:
well,
I
think
again.
This
is
something
that
we
keep
open
and
discussing
yeah.
We
don't
want
to
let
it
go
away,
so
we
want
to
be
able
to
educate
everyone
as
far
as
what
we
can
help
with
and
how
we
can.
You
know,
work
to
preserve
more
trees.
So
all
right!
Next,
we
want
to
talk
about
the
historic
commission
with
landscape
plans
and
the
ufc,
so
this
came
up
through
a
neighbor
issue
with
a
project
in
montford.
B
It's
a
single-family
residential
project
that
did
not
fall
under
the
tree
protection
ordinance,
but
did
fall
under
the
historic
commission
overlay
for
that
area
with
their
tree
preservation
and
again,
this
is
just
to
start
the
dialogue
on.
How
might
this
group
be
set
up
to
either
help
or
possibly
take
on
part
of
what
the
historic
resource
commission
does
with
their
tree
work
when
one
of
these
projects
falls
in
their
lap?
So
again,
this
is
just
the
start
of
a
conversation.
So
if
I
see
sharon
has
something
we
can
take
more
comments.
Go
ahead.
B
A
This
was
the
project
that
ed
steve
and
I
walked
the
property
with
the
hemlock,
certainly
boundary
freeze
and
what
they
did
is
they
put
up
a
tree
protection,
fencing
they
went
in
and
they
cut
down
a
lot
of
trees.
As
we
know
they
were
going
to
do
and
they
just
left
them
on
the
ground
and
they
didn't
clean
them
up
and
they
sat
on
the
ground
for
a
long
time
and
the
neighbor
thought
that
they
weren't
ever
going
to
clean
it
up.
Part
of
the
fencing
got
knocked
down.
A
Part
of
the
fencing
was
up
and
I
went-
and
I
spoke
at
that
mission
meeting
each
historic
commission,
historic
neighborhood,
has
got
their
own
rules
and
regulation,
so
everyone's
different.
So
when
I
go
before
the
commission
to
talk
about
a
particular
development,
I
have
to
make
sure,
within
the
rules
of
the
historic
resource
that
they're
in
and
in
this
one,
the
owners
and
the
arborist
said
that
they
would
treat
protect
fence,
that
they
would
keep
a
keep
the
area
clean
and
that
they
would
abide
by
protection.
A
So
that
brings
up
for
me
what
I
think
is
a
cleaned
up
area
of
trees
falling
on
the
ground
and
laying
up
against
the
root
balls
and
is
different
than
the
person.
That's
actually
doing
the
work.
A
So
I'm
finding
that
when
the
email
got
sent
to
the
owners,
they
thought
it
was
just
fine,
as
did
the
arborist,
but
as
far
as
I
was
concerned,
it
wasn't
fine
at
all,
so
my
expectations
of
what
the
property
should
look
like
and
expectations
of
the
arborists
and
the
owners
were
two
different
things:
free
protection,
fencing
well,
it
kind
of
fell
down.
We
just
didn't
put
it
up
in
that
area.
You
know
we
we
forgot
to
put
it
back
up
and
we're
going
to
go
back
in
and
clean
it
up
later.
A
C
Yeah
part
of
this
discussion
is
also
around
the
protected
status
of
a
protected
class
of
trees,
similar
to
heritage
trees
and
evidently
there's
some
language
that
does
define
historic
trees
in
the
city
of
asheville,
giving
the
historic
commission
the
responsibility
for
nominating
and
and
designating
them
as
historic
trees.
C
Although
that
hasn't
happened
in
a
as
far
as
I
know,
you
know
decades,
if
at
all,
and
so
one
question
that
we
have-
and
this
came
out
of
the
tree
protection
task
force
again,
is
if,
if
the,
if
we
work
with
the
historic
commission,
to
establish
criteria
for
designating
what
a
historic
tree
is
and
then
and
then
take
on
the
responsibility
of
of
nominating
and
designating
that
from
the
historic
commission,
we
could
probably
start
generating
a
special
protected
class
of
trees
in
the
city.
C
B
A
Agree:
sharon
go
ahead,
yeah
they're
very
when
I
went
and
spoke
twice
to
them,
they're
very
agreeable
on
saving
trees,
they're
very
concerned
about
what's
going
on
in
the
neighborhoods,
so
they
would,
I
would
say,
would
be
very
much
willing
to
work
with
us.
G
Yeah
also
the
preservation
society,
which
is
different
than
the
historic
commission
a
bit,
but
I
I'm
a
member
of
that
group-
I'm
not
as
active
as
I'd
like
to
be,
but
they
would
have
some
influence
as
well,
so
that
I
reached
out
to
him
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
tried
to
get
an
understanding
of
what
we
were
dealing
with,
but
yeah.
We
need
to
continue
that
and
make
sure
that
we
can
move
forward.
G
B
Awesome,
thank
you.
So
I
don't
know
what
do
you
guys
think
maybe
about
setting
up
a
working
group
to
work
on
creating
a
partnership
or
at
least
start
the
dialogue
with
the
historic
resource,
commission
and
possibly
other
entities?
Would
anybody
else
be
interested
in
such
a
thing?
I'm
happy
to
take
it
on,
but
if
anybody
wanted
to
work
with
me
on
that,
we
could
start
that
process.
C
Yeah,
I
will,
I
will
aim
me,
but
I
almost
think
that
we
should
probably
wait
until
our
planning
retreat
to
see
what
else
is
on
the
table.
So
we
could
allocate
our
resources
most
appropriately.
B
Good
idea,
thank
you
all
right.
Well
I'll,
keep
your
guys
names
down
if
anyone
else
wants
to
jump
in,
but
yeah.
I
definitely
think
we
can
revisit
this
at
our
retreat
and
make
sure
that
it
fits
with
our
current
timeline
and
priorities
as
well.
So
any
other
comments.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
okay,
so
our
retreat.
That
is
next,
so
we
have
the
green
light
to
have
a
retreat.
The
key
is
going
to
be
timing
because,
obviously
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
virtual
retreat,
which
will
require
city
staff
to
be
here
and
obviously
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
long
enough
to
get
through.
You
know
some
presentations
and
discussion
and
planning,
so
the
key
here
is
going
to
be
timing
and
availability.
So
nancy,
did
you
have
anything
on
this
to
start
off?
B
Okay,
so
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
we
want
to
try
to
organize
this.
I
know
in
the
past
we've
all
just
kind
of
opened
our
calendars
and
said
I'm
available
on
you
know
this
day,
so
we
can
do
something
like
that
or
I
could
send
out
a
a
scheduling
poll
if
that
would
work,
we're
just
going
to
have
to
come
up
with.
B
B
Okay
and
then,
as
far
as
agenda,
I've
talked
to
several
people
about
ideas
for
the
retreat
bringing
in
speakers
as
we
mentioned,
maybe
somebody
from
the
county
other
boards
and
commissions.
I
don't
have
to
have
my
other
notes
of
who
we
wanted.
D
Yeah
we
had
discussed
about
bringing
in
a
an
urban
forester
from
one
of
the
other
cities
in
north
carolina
to
you
know,
discuss
with
that.
You
know
their
program
and
you
know
how
we
can
put
together
one
here.
B
Yes,
thank
you.
That
was
the
other
idea,
an
urban
forester,
ideally
from
a
city,
you
know
close
to
the
size
and
and
resources
of
asheville,
so
we
can
get
an
idea
of
what
they
do
and
how
it
benefits
their
city
and
their
program.
And
that
way,
if
that
is
an
ask
of
city
council,
then
we
have
more
information
and
education
to
bring
to
our
cause.
So
that
was
another
idea.
If
anyone
has
other
ideas
or
requests
for
the
meeting,
you
know,
obviously
we
can
take
those.
B
Those
were
just
some
of
the
ideas
we
had
so
far.
Obviously,
it's
going
to
come
down
to
who's
going
to
be
able
to
attend
at
whatever
time
we
figure
out
that
we
can
be
there.
So.
A
Yeah
because
I
live
in
the
weeds,
I've
been
really
wondering
what
stacy's
doing
on
this,
if
they're
doing
anything
on
the
storm
water
ordinance
that
they're
working
on
I'd
be
interested
to
get
a
report
from
someone.
That's
working
on
that
change
of
that
ordinance
where
they
are.
If
they're
working
on
it.
B
I
did
not
make
it
to
their
last
meeting,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
they're
at
but
and
unfortunately
they're
not
meeting
regularly
right
now.
But
let
me
reach
out
and
just
see
if
we
can
at
least
get
an
update
on
that
and.
B
They
will
definitely
be
invited
to
our
retreat.
Stacey
obviously
has
a
lot
of
overlap
with
us,
so
we'll
see
what
we
can
find
out.
B
So
as
far
as
timing,
my
hope
would
be
to
have
our
retreat
either
before,
ideally,
our
next
regular
commission
meeting
in
february
that
might
be
pushing
it
a
little
fast,
so
it
might
have
to
be
toward
the
end
of
february,
possibly
even
the
beginning
of
march,
but
if
anyone
else
has
thoughts
on
that,
I
would
really
like
to
do
it
as
soon
as
possible,
but
we'll
have
to
coordinate
all
these
schedules.
So
any
other
ideas,
all
right
well
I'll,
just
send
out
a
scheduling
poll
kim.
Did
you
have
something?
Was
that
your
handwriting?
B
Okay,
just
fixing
your
hair
all
right?
Well,
then,
I'll
get
in
touch
with
everybody
and
send
out
a
poll
and
if,
in
the
meantime,
anything
comes
to
mind,
feel
free
to
reach
out
and
send
that
to
me
any
other
thoughts
on
the
retreat.
Yet
all
right.
B
Okay!
Next
we
talk
about
trc
and
the
pre-application
meetings,
so
sharon,
our
wonderful
trc
rep,
does
so
much
work
with
trc
and
yet
she's
ready
to
do
more,
which
is
amazing,
so
thank
you
sharon.
So
what
happened?
Was
sharon
was
invited
to
a
pre-application
meeting,
which
is
a
project
that
has
not
yet
applied
for
regular
permitting
they
can
request,
what's
called
a
pre-application
meeting
to
sit
down
with
development
services
and
other
parties
to
basically
hash
out
what
they
are
potentially
getting
into
with
a
development
project
and
sharon
was
recently
at
the
charlotte
street
project.
B
It
was
pre-application,
so
this
has
not
been
applied
yet
we
don't
have
public-facing
details
on
that
project
yet,
but
what
this
brought
up
was
how
what
kinds
of
projects
should
the
urban
forestry
commission
be
in
on
at
that
early
stage?
B
We
know
that,
as
far
as
anything
with
environmental
planning
the
earlier
that
these
issues
are
brought
up,
the
better
they
can
be
planned
for,
and
so
the
idea
is
that
if
the
urban
forestry
commission
can
be
at
the
table
sooner,
then
the
developers
aren't
caught
off
guard
we're
not
getting
development
plans
too
late
to
have
an
input
on
them.
So
that's
the
goal
would
be
to
have
our
seat
at
the
table.
B
Sooner
than
later
to
address
these
issues
and
sharon
has
said
she's
willing
to
go
to
the
table
for
us
to
go
to
these
pre-application
meetings
they're
set
at
a
set
time.
They
have
a
scheduled
time
that
they're
always
held
so
she
said
she
would
be
able
to
do
that.
But
the
question
for
this
group
is
and
for
sharon
is:
do
we
want
to
try
to
be
at
every
pre-application
meeting,
or
should
we
set
up
a
set
of
criteria
that
would
initiate
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
be
involved
in
these
meetings?
A
Acne,
this
is
what
I'm
finding
on
larger,
larger
pre-application
meetings,
and
I
know
there's
smaller
developments.
A
What
I'm
finding
is
because
I've
been
in
the
construction
business
a
long
time
if
I'm
going
to
go,
take
a
piece
of
property
and
I'm
going
to
go,
look
at
something
I
want
to
do
with
it.
I
am
going
to
bring
in
people
in,
and
I'm
going
to
get
the
engineer
on
and
I'm
going
to
get
the
architect
on
and
even
though
I'm
not
submitting
it
my
plans
to
the
city.
Yet
I've
got
an
idea.
A
What
I'm
looking
at
for
my
cost
for
my
development
and
what
I'm
finding,
when
I'm
I'm
talking
to
in
a
pre-application
or
in
a
neighborhood
meeting
with
developers
that
come
in
they'll,
always
say
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
save
a
bunch
of
trees
and
yet
there's
no
report
from
anybody
stating
whether
those
trees
can
be
saved,
and
I
walk
the
property
and
they're
very
old
trees
on
it.
A
Development
on
charlotte
street
is
going
to
pretty
well
kill
every
tree,
that's
existing,
but
the
developers
came
into
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
they
also
stated
at
the
pre-application
meeting
that
they
were
going
to
save
a
bunch
of
trees.
So
it's
really
great
with
the
sweep
of
the
arm
and
they
may
want
to
save
a
bunch
of
trees
and
they
may
be
able
to
save
a
bunch
of
dreads,
but
without
having
an
arborist
report
up
front.
They
can
for
me
as
a
sweeping
generalization
and
it's
kind
of
making
it
sound
like
that.
A
They
they
want
to
do
this,
like
they'll,
make
statements
like
we're
going
to
do
for
storm
water,
rain,
gardens
and
then
I'll
question
them
all
the
way
down
on
the
development
for
a
year.
Well,
what
do
these
rain
gardens
look
like
knowing
they
can't
do
rain
gardens,
but
they
want
to
do
rain
gardens
and
at
the
very
end
of
the
design,
when
it's
all
done,
there
are
no
rain
gardens.
A
Now
they
may
want
to
do
that,
but
I'm
finding
for
me
that
if
you're,
really
wanting
to
do
this
and
present
to
me,
arborist
report
shows
that
you
really
are
trying
to
save
these
trees
and
not
wait
till
six
months
later
or,
however
long
that
the
final
cz
process
or
whatever
it
is
to
see
that
they
really
can't
do
that
and
and
to
tell
you
the
truth.
A
I
feel
like
they're,
just
phone
smoke
up
my
dress,
so
so
that
is
my
take
on
it
and
then,
but
I
also
know
on
the
pre-application
that
it's
not
it's
a
quick
process,
it's
a
give
and
take
and
not
to
be
for
the
general
public,
and
I
keep
my
mouth
shut,
because
I
can't
keep
my
mouth
shut,
believe
it
or
not,
and
that
a
lot
of
this
is
just
the
discussion
process.
A
But
for
me,
if
you
want
to
save
trees
and
you're
thinking
about
it,
and
I'd
really
like
to
see
how
it
is
that
you
plan
on
doing
that,
and
not
just
tell
me
you're
gonna,
do
it.
C
K
Hey
sorry,
I'm
slow
with
the
mute
button
today,
so
I
just
kind
of
before
you
all
have
this
conversation
or
think
about
how
you
want
to
set
the
stage
on
this.
I
just
kind
of
want
to
first
kind
of
make
sure
everybody
understands
the
types
of
developments
we
see
in
trc.
K
There
are,
of
course,
the
big
ones
that
we
all
hear
about
the
conditional
zonings
that
go
through
planning
and
zoning
through
council
and
all
that-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
negotiating
points
there,
where
you
can
a
developer,
can
come
and
say:
well,
I'm
going
to
save
these
trees
and
we
can
actually
hold
them
to
that
on
that
type
of
development.
Right
that
goes
through.
K
Council
conditional
zoning
has
conditions
and
all
that,
so
we
do
have
a
good
bit
of
our
developments
to
go
through
that
way
and
sharon's
totally
familiar
with
these
because
they
go
through
trc.
They
go
through
pnz,
they
go
see,
city
council,
they
go
back
to
trc
and
you
know
300
days
later,
they're
building
something
it's
a
long
process
and
there's
a
lot
of
points
in
there.
The
other
thing
we
look
at
are
what
we
call
buy
right
developments
by
zoning
and
those
are
our
level
ones.
Our
level
twos
and
level.
K
K
K
So
I'm
not
sure
and
the
other
point
to
make
just
out
of
like
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
these
pre-op
meetings.
We
try
to
right
now,
they're
only
city
staff
members
in
those
meetings
who.
K
The
technical
review
on
the
plans
so
minimum
ordnance
standards
and
we
do
run
a
little
it's
hard
to
get
through
everything
in
those
meetings,
so
I'm
open
to
supporting
other
ideas.
I
just
want
to
give
you
guys
kind
of
the
landscape
of
it,
those
conditional
zoning
applications.
I
think,
there's
a
little
more
a
bigger
role
for
ufc
to
play
in
for
advocating
for
trees
and
advocating
for
those
trees
to
actually
be
spelled
out
in
proposed
conditions
when
they
go
through
the
approval
process.
K
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
lay
out
the
difference
between
those
two
types
of
pre-apps.
We
have,
as
you
all
kind
of
decide
how
you'd
like
to
try
and
participate
in
this
process.
C
It's
my
experience
is
that
these
discussions
in
the
preliminary
stage
of
our
project,
is
critically
important
for
tree
protection
and
nine
times
out
of
ten.
When,
when
builders
and
developers
say
they,
they
want
to
save
trees
and
they
end
up
not
doing
it.
It's
because
of
a
technical
breakdown
somewhere
along
the
process
and
and
so
what
these
early
discussions
do.
Is
that
it
it.
It
creates
an
overlay
between.
C
Design
necessities
on
the
site
and
the
biological
limitations
of
trees,
and
if
you
can
have
those
discussions
early
in
the
process,
you
can
make
some
adjustments
to
to
whatever
designs
being
presented,
and
you
can
also
explore
opportunities
to
mitigate
potential
impact
to
trees
or
prevent
it.
So
without
without
having
this
conversation,
we're
we're
just
we
can't
have
a
sincere
we.
We
can't,
we
can't
accomplish
tree
protection,
it's
that
critical.
It's
it's
to
be
successful!
You
have
to
have
that
conversation
in
the
early
part
of
the
process.
B
B
You
know
the
goal
of
this
would
be
to
get
everything
out
in
the
open
and
you
know
pitch
so
to
speak,
what
the
best
practices
will
be
for
tree
protection
right
away
as
ed
says,
so
that
it
can
be
part
of
the
plan
from
the
beginning
and
not
something
that
we
see,
for
example,
in
alternative
compliance,
which
is
often
at
the
end
of
the
project.
So
I
totally
agree
so
the
question
is
moving
forward.
B
You
know
how
we
want
to
implement
this.
My
concern
is
that
sharon
is
not
going
to
be
with
us
forever.
Unfortunately,
and
you
know
how
do
we
make
this
a
process
that
will
fit?
Whoever
is
in
this
role,
you
know:
how
do
we
make
this?
Something
that's
sustainable,
so
I
guess
in
the
short
term,
it'll
be
conversations
I
think
sharon
between
you
know
you
and
me,
and
the
city
staff
and
trying
to
just
figure
out.
A
A
It's
even
having
to
do
like
with
island
sizes
when
they
already
know
they're
going
to
be
reducing
the
island
sizes
in
the
parking
lot
and
as
ed
and
I
have
talked
about
well,
you
know
we
could
really
avoid
some
of
that
and
we
could
group
trees
together.
We
were
talking
about
an
inca
village.
I
mean
it
doesn't
allow
for
an
ordinance.
Now
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
have
three
islands
in
every
area.
A
We
could
group
a
bunch
of
trees
together
and
take
and
and
create
different
ways
of
thinking
other
than
such
our
linear
thinking
that
we
have
now,
and
it
would
avoid
our
our
problem
with
pre-island
reduction,
which
automatically,
when
some
places
just
automatically
reduce
the
tree
islands
regardless.
A
So
it's
the
realistic
aspect
of
dealing
with
developers
and
and
and
our
ordinance
as
they
state
and
and
getting
the
knowledge
that
we
can
protect
trees
with
more
conversation.
A
B
C
I
was
going
to
say
again
ultimately,
if
we
had
a
professional
urban
forester
on
staff,
these
conversations
would
happen.
So
I
have
to
keep
driving
that
point,
because
that's
what
many
cities
do
that
I
mean
that's
how
they
handle
this.
So
the
other
point
is
that
this
discussion
should
be
part
of
our
succession
planning,
because
we
we
can't
expect
sharon
to
do
this
forever.
B
Absolutely
so
in
the
short
term,
like
I
said,
let's
keep
it
going
as
far
as
this
conversation,
so
sharon
you
and
I
and
ben
and
chris,
let's
just
keep
talking
and
see
how
we
can
get
our
representative
in
there,
where
we
think
it's
going
to
be
most
helpful.
Go
ahead.
Chris.
K
Just
one
closing
comment
from
me
on
that
sharon:
in
the
meantime,
let's
yeah,
let's
talk
offline
and
figure
out
how
to
plug
in
when
you're.
When
you
see
something
pop
up,
okay,.
B
So
next
we
you,
hopefully
all
have
received
an
email
from
nancy
about
a
possible
new
meeting
date
and
time
in
particular,
our
staff
or
our
council
liaison
kim
won't
be
able
to
make
very
many
of
our
monday
afternoon
evening
meetings
and
I
think
it's
very
important
for
her
to
be
present
whenever
possible,
so
nancy.
What
did
you
find
out
so
far
about
the
meeting
date
and
time.
I
Okay,
so
I
think
what
it
came
down
to,
I
think-
and
there
may
be
some
other
options
that
I
didn't
put
out
there
either
the
second
monday
in
the
morning.
I
I
The
fourth
monday
is
out
trc
staff
overlapped-
and
you
know
just
makes
long
days
for
sharing
tonight
chris,
but
that's
the
first
and
third
mondays
that
we
want
to
avoid,
and
then
pnz
is
wednesdays
at
five
and
then
stacy
is
usually
the
third
wednesday
at
3
30..
B
B
I
guess
personally
I'm
you
know
I
send
out
my
availability.
So
does
anybody
have
any
concerns
about
changing
the
meeting
for
this
accommodation.
H
Yeah,
I
will
add
that
you
know
during
one
of
the
things
that
hopefully,
we've
taken
away
from
what
we've
learned
during
covet.
Is
that
the
importance
of
recording
meetings
so
that
people
have
access
to
participate
in
the
conversation,
even
if
they
can't
attend
at
the
meeting
time,
I'm
committed
to
reviewing
the
recordings
of
the
minutes.
If
I
can't
attend
on
mondays,
I
do
want
to
prioritize
this
body's
work.
So
thank
you
for
your
consideration.
C
I
prefer
the
afternoon
time
slot
over
the
morning
time
slot
so
whatever
day
you
come
up
with,
but
this
means
that
we'll
probably
have
to
reschedule
the
tree
protection
task
force
as
well,
because
they
always
like
to
meet.
We
always
meet
a
week
in
advance
of
the
tree
commission
so
that
we
can.
O
B
Yeah,
that's
right.
Go
ahead,
steve.
G
B
C
B
I
know
thank
you,
so
any
other
discussion
go
ahead.
Paren.
O
B
A
lot
of
people
have
that
same
monday
morning
thing.
Well,
then,
let's
tentatively
nancy,
if
you
want
to
get
together
all
your
notes
and
let's
see
if
we
can
do
the
tuesday
at
possibly
a
1
p.m.
It's
sounding
like
that's
somewhat
of
a
consensus
and
we'll
get
it
out
there
we're
not
just
going
to
change
it
willy-nilly.
You
know,
but
we'll
make
sure
that
it'll
work
for
everybody
here.
B
So
at
this
point,
let's
just
take
what
we
have
here
and
see
if
we
can
narrow
that
down
nancy
and
get
it
back
out
for
a
confirmation.
I
The
other
thing
that
we
will
work
that
that
will
adjust
is
that
we
will
also
look
at
adjusting
the
alternative
compliance
due
dates
and
things,
and
the
goal
is,
is
to
get
the
staff
reports
to
you
guys
a
week
ago.
So
that's
so
we're
going
to
go
with
that
staff
report
do
the
monday
before
monday
week
before
this.
You
know
if
we
change
it
to
tuesday
before
the
tuesday,
because
if
they
get
to
you
guys
a
week
in
advance
reports
and
everything,
the
packages
will
come
in
beforehand.
B
Yeah,
so
the
goal
with
this:
oh
sorry,
a
goal,
the
goal
with
a
change
would
be
to
do
it
once
you
know
yes,
because
it
does
have
a
ripple
effect
so,
but
I
do
think-
and
we've
talked
about
this
before
getting
this
meeting
earlier
in
the
day,
because
we
know
that
it's
not
a
one
hour
or
even
a
one
and
a
half
hour
meeting
so
that'd
be
great,
okay,
anything
else,
okay,
lastly,
rules
and
procedures
manual.
This
is
pretty
quick,
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
it
off
nancy.
B
So
ben
actually
brought
this
up
to
me
that
other
than
the
brief
training
that
most
commission
members
get,
if
they're
lucky
on
how
to
have
a
commission
meeting,
there's
no
other
guidance,
and
so
he
asked
me
if
I
would
want
to
help
put
together
a
rules
and
procedures
manual
specifically
for
the
urban
forestry
commission.
The
goal
is
to
just
put
in
writing
well
for
everyone,
and
especially
new
members.
How
does
this
work?
You
know?
What
would
you
expect?
What
how
our
meetings
run?
B
How
do
we
organize
working
groups
versus
subcommittees
and
all
of
this
and
just
to
write
it
out
and
we're
getting
some
templates
to
put
that
together?
So
you
know
we're
not
starting
completely
from
scratch.
So
at
this
point
it
was
just
to
let
everybody
know
that
we're
going
to
be
putting
that
together
and
once
we
have
you
know
a
draft
pretty
well
long,
then
we'll
get
feedback
to
see
if
there's
anything
we're
missing,
but
nancy
have
anything.
To
add
to
that.
B
Oh
good
point,
so
kim
was
asking
if
the
ufc
has
been
invited
to
equity,
101
and
201
training,
and
the
answer
is
yes
right.
Everybody
see
all
the
invitations
I've
been
to
both
they're
really
good.
So
if
you
have
not
yet
signed
up
for
those
trainings
through
the
city,
I
definitely
recommend
it.
It's
fun
and
also
educational,
so
really
good
trainings
that
the
city
is
offering
on
equity.
B
All
right
so,
lastly,
is
updates,
and
one
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out,
unfortunately,
mark
had
to
leave.
His
updates
are
first
on
here.
We're
always
so
crammed
for
time
that
we
just
say
here's
the
updates.
You
know
we're
out
of
here,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
these
are
on
the
agenda
and
they
are
always
open
for
discussion.
B
B
G
B
G
Oh
sorry,
what
one
comment
amy
beyond
the
updates-
I
I
hope
you
saw
that
we
have
a
bit
of
reprieve
on
the
annual
report
and
we'll
be
getting
to
that,
but
we
don't
have
to
have
it
in
by
the
end
of
this
month.
B
Yes,
that's
true,
and
so
I
have
already
put
it
off
slightly
on
my
calendar,
but
yes,
our
annual
report
will
be
written
and
it'll
be
done
before
the
extended
deadline,
probably
within
the
next
couple
weeks.
So
thank
you
steve
anything
else
all
right.
Well
then,
we
have
to
take
a
roll
call
vote
to
end
the
meeting.
Is
there
a
motion.