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A
Urban
forestry
commission
meeting
for
today
march
15th.
We
will
start
off
with
some
introductions,
so
my
name
is
amy
smith.
I'm
the
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
So
I'll
just
go
around
how
about
patrick.
C
A
A
All
right,
thank
you
and,
let's
see,
I
see
ricky
hurley.
C
A
K
I'm
todd
fowler
and
I'm
working
with
rob
on
that
project.
A
All
right,
thank
you
and
there's
a
couple
people
on
the
phone.
I
don't
know
if
I
missed
anyone
go
ahead
and
take
a
minute
to
introduce
yourselves.
A
I
A
For
running
the
yeah
all
right
perfect,
then
next
we
will
see
if
we
can
approve
the
minutes
from
last
meeting.
So
I'm
assuming
is
this
the
january
meeting
or
do
we
also
need
to
approve
the
retreat,
or
is
that
just
separate.
I
You
know
I
forgot
to
put
the
january
meeting
minutes
in
the
folder.
I
do
have
those
ready
for
approval.
Do
we
need
to
share
those
and
approve
them
next
time,
since
I
put
out
the
february
and
that's
to
approve.
A
Okay,
well
then
yeah
we
can
wait
unless
there's
another
recommendation:
nope,
okay!
Well
then,
next
time
we
meet
which
everybody
should
take
a
note
that
next
time
we
meet
will
be
on
our
new
meeting
schedule.
So
that's
where
it'll
be
the
first
week
of
the
month
at
1
pm
on
tuesday,
first
tuesday
of
the
month
1pm.
So
that's
april,
I
believe
6
at
1
pm.
So
at
that
time
we'll
go
ahead
and
approve
the
minutes
from
january
and
from
today
as
well,
then
all
right.
A
Well,
then,
next
up
is
alternative
compliance,
so
I
guess
mike
if
you
want
to
kick
it
off.
O
Sure
so
the
project
that
you'll
be
reviewing
today
is
entitled
glendale
avenue
studios
it's
the
location
of
76
glendale
avenue.
There's
two
partials
involved,
pin
number.
O
Both
those
partials
are
zoned
commercial,
industrial
and
they
make
up
about
0.89
acres
in
size.
The
iceland
is
proposing
to
construct
the
12
thirty
square
foot
office
last
studio,
building
on
these
two
partials
and
the
code
requires
the
site
to
be
brought
into
compliance
with
all
the
landscaping
requirements
found
in
article
seven.
Eleven
three
one
of
those
requirements
is
to
provide
a
type,
a
buffy
on
buffer
yard
along
the
northeastern
property
boundary
line.
O
So
if
we
could
just
pull
up
the
so
that's
the
two
properties
in
question
in
front
of
you,
there,
the
two
highlighted
partials
and
if
you'll
see
to
the
northeast.
There
is
a
piece
of
property,
that's
currently
zoned
rm16
and
the
requirement
is
that
you've
got
a
buffer
between
the
commercial
and
residential
districts.
O
It's
my
understanding
from
the
app
that
they
are
pursuing
a
rezoning
of
this
property
that
rezoning
hasn't
taken
place
yet
and
it's
possible
that
this
classification
may
maybe
change
to
the
district
where
a
buffer
yard
wouldn't
be
required,
but
they
really
want
to
get
going
on
this
project.
So
they
want
to
propose
this
modification
in
lieu
of
that
not
happening,
and
so,
if
we'll
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
that's
basically
a
street
view.
O
It's
a
vacant
lot
does
have
some
landscaping
around
the
back
edges
of
the
property
kind
of
a
meadow
in
the
front.
Keep
going
that
next
slide.
Please.
P
E,
you
should
be
able
to.
Let
me
get
a
link
to
cinderella
real,
quick.
A
If
I
can
jump
in
while
you
guys
are
pulling
up
those
plans,
I
saw
that
sharon
sumrall
was
able
to
join
us
sharon
if
you
want
to
take
just
a
second
introduce
yourself.
Q
Hi,
all
I'm
sorry,
I'm
late
sharon,
summerl
urban
forestry,
commission,
technical
review,
trc,
representative
ford,
I'm
I'm
sorry!
I
got
a
brain
full
of
concrete
right
now.
So
thank
you.
Sorry.
I'm
late.
G
Thank
you,
while
we're
waiting
on
that,
I
do
have
a
question,
a
clarification
question
for
the
gentleman
who
was
talking.
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
notice
who
was
talking
the
adjacent
parcel
that
may
be
rezoned.
Could
you
just
describe
to
us
what
the
significance
of
that
would
be
for
this
project?
If
that
parcel
was
rezoned
and
if
it's
not,
then
what
does
that
mean.
O
So
if
the
property
gets
rezoned,
then
this
buffer
yard
requirement
would
actually
not
be
there,
so
they
wouldn't
be
required
to
provide
this
buffer
yard.
If
it
does
doesn't
get
rezoned,
then
they
obviously
would
have
to
address
the
buffer
yard
and
if
it
doesn't,
what
they're
proposing
would
be
what
they
would
want
to
have
there
as
that
buffer
yard
and
and
again
they're
moving
ahead
of
that
rezoning
request,
because
they
want
to
get
this
project
underway
prior
to
dealing
with
that
other
addressing
that
other
property.
G
O
Yeah,
based
on
the
scale
of
the
building
that
they
want
to
place
on
this
property
and
how
they're
working
in
the
parking
and
the
access
to
the
property
that
would
be
correct.
This
first
sheet
of
the
plan
kind
of
illustrates
the
10-foot
or
the
10-foot
setback
on
the
wooden
fence.
You'll
notice
that
red
line
along
that
northern
eastern
northern
property
boundary-
that's
where
the
fence
would
be
located
and
to
the
left
is
a
little
diagram
of
the
fence.
They
would
propose
to
install
there
the
next
page
if
we
could
go
to
that
next
page.
O
This
plan
illustrates
the
plant
material
that
would
go
in
with
that
fence.
The
little
yellow
areas
are
something
I
highlighted
where
those
are
going
to
be
some
kind
of
impervious
encroachment
into
that.
Typically,
the
20
foot.
The
blue
line
I
put
on
the
plan
is,
is
what
would
have
been
the
20
foot
buffer
yard
requirement,
and
so
there's
a
few
encroachments
with
with
some
asphalt
and
the
corner
of
the
building
does
encroach
into
that
original
20-foot
buffer
area.
A
All
right
did
the
designers
want
to
say
anything
or
commission
have
any
questions.
N
N
So
a
couple
other
things
when
you
look
at
this,
that
we
call
it
the
alvarez
tract
it's
the
rm16
track
is
completely
surrounded
by
ci
zoning
and
we're
not
sure
whether
that
was
you
know
some
rezone
that
happened
decades
ago
or
why
why
it's
like
that,
and
so
when
we
met
with
shannon
tuck,
you
know
we
were
encouraged
to
pursue
a
rezone
and
we
actually
have
a
permit
number
and,
and
that
will
be
going
before
planning
and
zoning
on
april
7th
of
next
month.
N
J
N
So
hopefully
so
here's
the
rm16,
here's
our
two
project
sites
and
what's
outlined
in
red
here,
is
what
is
under
common
ownership
with
my
client,
which
includes
todd
fowler
who's.
Also
on
this
call,
so
the
idea
is
that
you
know
we're
in
a
really
unique
situation,
to
create
sort
of
a
campus
type
feel
that
transitions
from
the
more
industrial
stuff
along
swananoa
river
road
and
the
residential
products
that
are
back
here
this
in
green
is
the
target.
Stormwater
retention
system
so
will
never
be
developed.
N
So
when
you
look
at
this,
you
know
in
context
again,
this
rm16
is
is
pretty
out
of
place
and
then,
when
you
look
at
the
topography
of
it,
it
also
sort
of
lends
itself
to
not
really
wanting
to
be
rm16.
Now
again,
we
understand
we
don't
we
don't
control
that
and
we
put
the
wheels
in
motion
to
to
let
the
city
follow
their
path
to
decide
whether
that
gets
rezoned
or
not.
N
So
this
was
a
study
that
we
looked
at
for
multi-family
on
that
triangle
tract
and
you
can
see
the
buildings
all
end
up
up
here
in
this
wider,
bigger
portion,
and
so
really
we
have
a
non-compliant
frontage
down
here.
There's
all
kinds
of
utilities:
there's
a
an
unopened
paper
road
here
called
galax
drive.
N
You
know
we
felt
appropriate
to
then
go
for
a
reduced
buffer
in
case
the
rezoning
doesn't
happen
and
allow
us
to
get
a
little
bit
more
building
and
parking
on.
N
Driveway,
apron
city,
standard
access,
road
city,
standard
fire,
turn
arounds.
You
know
to
not
be
able
to
have
this
additional
bay
on
this
building.
You
know
potentially
made
it.
You
know
where
the
project
would
have
sank
instead
of
float,
and
we
feel
like
it's
a
good
project.
We
feel
like
it's,
bringing
in
really
good
mixed
use
like
artist
studio
maker
space
on
that
road.
N
It's
going
to
help
activate
glendale,
so
yeah
happy
to
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions
we
have
in
addition
to
the
gray
area
sort
of
as
mike
had
started
to
put
together,
the
gray
area
is
what
is
actually
less
than
the
20-foot
buffer,
so
we
meet
the
20-foot
buffer
down.
Here
we
meet
the
20-foot
buffer
up
in
this
section.
So
it's
just
this
piece
here
again
required
for
parking
turn
around
dumpster
fire
turn
around
here.
N
A
H
H
Yeah
the
the
technicality-
I
note
and-
and
I
understand
your
argument
that
they're-
that
if
the
zoning
changes
then
the
whole
thing's
moot,
but
one
of
the
right
one
of
the
rules
is
that
the
problem
with
a
buffer
cannot
be
caused
by
the
applicant,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
that's
exactly
caused
by
the
applicant
by
the
size
of
a
building
I
mean
I,
I
don't
see
how
anyone
could
argue
otherwise.
N
H
N
N
I
don't
know
how
to
describe
you
know
we
don't
know
what
exactly
the
bottom
line
number
is
on
that,
but
the
size
and
cost
of
land
in
the
city
of
asheville
can
can
certainly
be
considered
a
hardship
along
with
the
topography
and
the
neighboring
conditions.
F
Yeah,
I
had
a
question
in
a
comment
one.
My
comment
is
just
looking
at
the
species
of
trees
that
are
planned.
N
Yeah
definitely
so
when
we
again,
when
I
met
with
with
shannon
talked
to
sort
of
look
at
once,
so
we
didn't
have
all
these
properties
together
when
these
plans
for
glendale
were
started,
and
now
they've
they've
made
some
acquisitions.
So
then
it
sort
of
became
this
bigger
thing
of.
How
do
we
look
at
master
planning?
N
You
know
all
seven
pin
numbers
versus
just
two
and
knowing
that,
because
this
you
know
this
went
in
before
the
adoption
of
the
tree
canopy.
Everything
else
that
happens
on
these
other
ones
will
indeed
have
to
meet
the
the
new
tree.
Canopy
protection,
we're
actually
about
to
submit
the
two
pin
number
three
pin
numbers
across
the
road
at
the
old
cross
canvas
building
and
have
had
to
meet
that
there.
So
certainly
the
idea
is,
you
know
not
to
remove.
N
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
been
on
that
property,
it's
a
pretty
nice
piece
of
property
with
some
really
big
trees,
it's
kind
of
a
little
pocket
there
behind
target.
You
know-
and
that
was
you
know,
part
of
what
we
considered
on
this
too,
was
that
there's
very
little
tree
removal
happening
on
this
glendale
project.
There
was
really
the
line
of
some
scrub
pines
in
the
back.
There's
no
significant
hardwoods
anywhere
near
either
of
the
side
property
lines.
N
So
we
tried
to
respond
to
that
in
the
sight,
design
and
then
also
on
the
diversity.
Certainly,
you
know
we
could
easily
redbuds
dog
dogwoods
service
berry.
You
know,
there's
a
whole
whole
list
of
additional
species
that
could
could
be
added
in.
N
C
N
Sorry,
the
so
this
is
the
cross
canvas
the
current
cross
kansas
facility,
which
is
across
glendale
avenue
and
so
we're
we
should
be
submitting
those
like,
potentially
by
the
end
of
the
week
first
of
next
week,
we're
just
waiting
on
some
storm
water
numbers
for
these
three.
F
N
So
that's
why
I
was
saying
that
there's
likely
no
parking
or
road
that
even
comes
out
to
glendale,
because
that
essentially
becomes
our
you
know
open
space
and
tree
save
and
also
because
there's
a
non-compliant
lot
frontage
on
glendale.
N
A
N
Correct
we
we
just
did
a
study
to
see
what
you
know
because
they
were
like.
Oh,
why
is
this
rm16
and
everything
else
is
ci,
and
so
we
said
well,
let's
look
and
see
what
we
can
do
within
the
rm16
and
no
one
has
ruled
out
having
some
residential
on
this
campus
by
any
means.
You
know
so
again
that
was
just
a
quick
study
to
look
at
like
how
would
that
function.
A
F
One
more,
oh
sorry,
sorry
don!
Sorry!
No!
I
just
for
the
for
the
proposed
property
that
we're
considering
for
alternative
compliance.
Have
you
considered
a
multi-story
building
on
that
site.
N
J
A
Okay,
thanks
don
good
questions,
so
I
guess
paren.
G
Yes,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
the
diagram
that
we're
looking
at.
So
I
think
what
I
see
is
three
rows
of
parking.
There's
a
there's,
a
row
in
the
front
of
the
building
along
glendale
and
then
two
rows
behind
it.
Is
that
correct,
correct
and
there
are
36
or
37
parking
spaces?
Is
that
correct.
N
Yeah,
I
think
we
ended
up
at
we're
at
39,
so
required
was
a
minimum
of
38
and
we
currently
have
39.
G
Okay
and
and
so
yeah,
would
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
math,
based
on
the
occupancy
capacity
of
the
building,
how
the
parking
the
number
of
parking
spaces
was
reached.
G
Okay,
all
right,
and
so
how
many
so
this
is
an
office
building
right.
G
G
Okay,
yeah
I'm
just
looking
at
whether
or
not
it
would
be
easier
for
you
to
make
adjustments
in
the
parking
capacity
on
site
relative
to
how
difficult
it
would
be
to
alter
the
building
footprint,
because
it's
the
parking,
that's
really
incr,
you
know
creating
that
incursion
into
the
buffer.
G
N
N
These
infill
sites
get
tight,
pretty
quick
when
you're
meeting
city
standard
roads,
fire
turn
around
parking
counts.
But
yes,
yes,
you're,
correct.
G
And,
and
so
what
is
the
when
you
look
at
the
front
lot,
there's
that
sort
of
checkered
all
those
rectangles
across
from
the
parking
sites?
What
is
that.
A
All
right
perfect,
I
saw
patrick
had
a
hand
up.
B
Yeah
points,
first
of
all,
I'm
not
sure
whether
don's
question
about
whether
the
this
project
meets
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation,
ordinance
requirements
because
we're
not
talking
about
open
space
or
tree
save
here,
and
so
I
would
like,
if
for
chris
collins,
maybe
to
weigh
in
on
that
and
number
two
cecil
raised
a
good
point
about
the
the
necessity
for
requesting
this
alternative
compliance
has
to
do
in
large
part,
if
not
in
total,
because
of
the
design
of
the
size
of
the
building
and
the
parking
lot.
B
B
But
if
if
the
size
of
the
building
was
smaller
or
then
you
you
wouldn't
need
to
file
this
alternative
compliance
request
on
the
buffer,
correct.
N
We,
I
doubt
it
I
mean
I
think
we'd
still
be
here,
based
on
parking.
B
Okay,
then
the
other
issue
regarding
the
tree
canopy
preservation-
ordinance.
I
don't
know
if,
if
chris
wants
to
weigh
in
on
that
or
not
because
I
I
just
don't
think
dawn's
question
was
answered
directly.
O
This
project
was
filed
prior
to
the
adoption
of
the
tree
canopy
protection
ordinance
so
that
that
ordinance
does
not
apply
to
this
particular
project.
The
site.
This
site
is
also
less
than
an
acre,
so
open
space
is
not
triggered
by
this
particular
developments.
About
so
open
space
is
not
applicable
to
this
project.
N
My
guess
would
be
in
addition
to
that
that,
if
we,
if
we
backed
out
all
the
trees,
that
we're
planting
against
your
point
system
for
the
tree,
canopy
protection
ordinance
that
this
actually
probably
would
meet
your
tree
canopy
ordinance
protection,
even
though
we
don't
aren't
required
to
just
the
the
way
those
point
systems
add
up
and
what
this
likely
again.
I've
not
done
that,
but
just
having
done
about
eight
of
those
tree
canopy
protection
studies
in
the
last
couple
months.
My
gut
feeling
would
be
that
this
would
exceed
the
15
required.
F
Yeah
I
was
asking
about
the
other
property.
I'm
not
sure
why
that
was
presented,
but
yeah
this
property,
that's
under
consideration
right
now,
doesn't
really
have
any
trees
on
it.
It's
mostly
grass
right
now.
F
So
I
mean
can
we're
looking
at
alternative
compliance
for
the
landscape
requirements
and
you
know:
is
there
any
sort
of
alternative
compliance
for
parking
requirements
in
the.
O
The
only
the
only
way
to
go
below
the
minimum
standards
in
the
code
would
be
to
go
through
a
variance
process
again
or
reduce
the
scale
of
the
project
to
to
address
the
number
of
parking
spaces
that
you'd
be
required
to
have
would
be
the
two
options
to
reduce
the
parking.
N
Yeah
there's
only
a
few
zoning
districts
that
allow
a
reduction
at
a
staff
level.
H
Rob
cited
that
that
the
city
ordinance
was
one
of
the
obstacles
that
one
of
the
you
know
the
hindrances
that
they're
trying
to
get
around.
Well,
that's
the
point
of
the
city
rules.
H
Is
that
we're
trying
to
maintain
as
much
of
a
tree
canopy
as
possible,
much
of
a
green
canopy
here
as
possible?
I
also
note
that
a
new
building,
a
new
commercial
building
that
went
up
on
north
broadway,
just
lately
managed
to
meet
the
parking
requirement
by
doing
parking
under
the
building
you
could
you
know
you
could
put
the
building
up
a
story
taller
at
not
great
expense?
Really,
I
mean
I've
been
in
construction,
all
my
life.
I
understand
this
stuff
and
and
create
parking
under
the
building
which
would
eliminate
parking
on
the
ground.
H
It
really
does
seem
to
me
that
that
the
demand
for
a
variance
in
this
situation
is
entirely
created
by
the
builder.
I
don't
see
it
any
other
way.
This
isn't
like
a
redevelopment
of
a
an
existing
building
downtown
where
there
is
no
room
at
all
for
a
buffer
because
of
the
existing
footprint,
for
instance,
we've
we've
faced
those
from
time
to
time.
H
It
seems
to
me
that
it's
it's
the
desire
for
the
maximum
profit
on
this
property
that
is
driving
the
need
for
a
variance,
and
you
know
if
we're
going
to
address
climate
change,
we
all
got
to
give
a
little.
We
really
ought
to
have
to
give
a
little
I'm
willing
to
give
a
little.
I
wish
that
other
people
were
willing
to
give
a
little
and
I
think,
making
this
building
and
parking
smaller
would
accomplish
that
or
wait
until
if
you
get
this
zoning
variance,
fine.
H
A
Thank
you.
Would
it
be
possible
nancy
to
put
up
the
slideshow
one
more
time,
so
we
could
look
at
that
list
or
the
way
the
ordinance
is
written
for
ufc
decision
making
might
be
helpful
here,
while
she's
pulling
that
up
any
other
questions
or
comments.
A
A
All
right
thanks
nancy
here
it
is
so
the
ufc
is
being
asked
to
make
a
recommendation
to
approve
or
deny
the
request
based
on
the
seven
criteria
now
what's
not
listed
here
is:
if
all
of
these
have
to
apply,
I
believe
we
do
have
the
ability
to
still
provide
recommendations
around
these
criteria,
but
it
sounds
to
me
like
the
one
that
is
coming
up.
Mostly
here
is
number
one.
D
I
think
that
number
two
is
not
met
as
well.
Nor
is
number
four
number
two
explicitly
says
that
physical
conditions
are
strength
or
risk
constraints
are
not
a
result
of
the
applicant's
own
actions
and
this
project
doesn't
meet
that
test.
A
Right
and
good
point
number
four,
this
alternative
upon
maturity.
You
know
we
could
take
a
look
at
providing
so
many
fewer
large
maturing
trees
would
not
provide
landscaping
that
is
equal
to
or
better
right
now,.
C
A
K
A
H
E
Patrick,
could
I
amend
let's
see
that
we
continue
this
pending
the
zoning
request
change.
We.
E
D
E
Well,
there's
the
other
possibility.
Is
they
come
back
with
an
altered
proposal.
E
A
Deny
to
recommend
this
alternative.
I
believe
that
the
applicant
can
still
refine
the
plans
and
either
move
forward
without
alternative
compliance
or
submit
a
new
plan
that
we
would
have
to
look
at.
A
E
Take
this
into
consideration,
withdraw
my
proposal,
then
that
we
can
just
the
vote,
vote
up
or
down,
and
then
the
process
will
take
care
of
the
rest.
Thanks
for
that's
possible.
Okay,.
C
B
A
D
E
A
E
A
A
And
I
vote
I
so
that
motion
passes
for
currently
to
deny
this
request.
So
I
guess
our
overall
recommendation
to
the
applicant
would
be
to
come
up
with
a
better
proposal
that
does
more
to
meet
the
requirements
without
you
know
needing
to
alter
it
so
extensively.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
so
old
business
we
have
in
here
enforcement
tracking
and
training
so
for
the
enforcement
and
tracking
of
the
tree.
Canopy
protection
ordinance
has
the
city
come
up
yet
with
the
like
the
spreadsheet
or
reporting
that
we'll
be
able
to
get
or
where
are
we
at
with
that
piece?.
J
Out
of
the
119
projects
that
this
could
apply
for
not
necessarily
that
it
does
apply,
but
could
47
of
them
are
still
in
review.
45
have
been
approved
with
two
that
have
tree
protection,
one
of
ten
thousand
two
hundred
and
forty
eight
square
feet,
and
one
of
thirteen
thousand
one
hundred
and
twenty
square
feet.
A
Okay,
thanks
I'd
be
looking
forward
to
getting
that
as
a
report,
so
we
could
see
all
the
details
of
how
it's
playing
out
as
much
as
possible.
I
know
you
guys
were
working
on
it,
but
I
think
that
would
be
super
helpful
to
us.
K
I
think
I'll
add
a
comment
for
you
guys.
I
think,
as
you
heard
nancy
say,
a
lot
of
these
are
still
in
review.
The
fields
are
built
into
our
system
to
report
out
on
that
we
just
don't
quite
have
the
mass
of
something
to
make
a
report
out
of
yet,
but
that
should
be
coming
soon.
So.
A
A
There
are
dates
in
place
for
those
they'll
both
be
virtual,
and
we
have
got
approval
for
anyone
in
the
commission
if
we
want
to
attend
as
an
attendee.
We
are
welcome
to
do
so
as
well.
We
can
get
in
touch
with
nancy
on
getting
us
added
to
that.
If
you're
interested
any
questions
comments
on
how
we're
going
with
that,
all
right,
then
updates
from
our
working
groups.
A
So
oh,
the
first
here
is
like
what
working
group
is
this,
but
the
process
and
format
of
working
groups.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
talking
about
how
these
working
groups
are
going
to
move
forward
with
actually
getting
work
done,
and
one
thing
that
we
want
to
make
sure
of
is
that
our
working
groups
are
short-term
and
focused
on
specific
working
tasks
that
we
can
accomplish
in
a
short
period
of
time.
A
Otherwise,
they
would
have
to
be
more
appropriately
categorized
as
subcommittees
which
take
on
a
whole
different
form,
and
then
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
possibly,
especially
for
some
of
these
bigger
committees-
probably
a
chairperson-
to
be
the
point
of
contact,
for
you
know
the
commission
and
the
city,
but
one
person
to
be
able
to
run
the
information
through,
in
particular
when
we
get
to
the
policy
working
group.
That
might
be
an
important
place
to
have
a
chairperson.
A
Lastly,
for
these
working
groups,
we
did
get
approval
if
it's
necessary
to
have
an
outside
consultant,
come
in
and
help
it
is
possible,
but
same
thing,
as
you
know,
having
it
be
a
working
group,
an
outside
consultant
should
be
a
short-term,
specifically
targeted,
help.
They're,
not
you
know
a
new
member
they're
not
coming
in
to
you
know,
replace
a
council
member
in
the
working
group,
but
if
there's
expertise
that
we
need
to
get
from
the
outside.
A
So
if
you
want
to
bring
in
a
certified
arborist,
for
example,
for
expertise
or
in
the
policy
group,
if
there's
a
specific
person,
for
instance
from
asheville
greenworks
who
had
volunteered
to
help
with
specific
policy
issues,
we
can't
have
those
consultants,
but
they
have
to
be
that
limited
short-term
specific
basis
to
meet
these
goals.
So
any
questions
on
any
of
that,
hopefully
that'll
help
us
all
as
volunteers,
so
the
open
space
amendment
group
is
there
anything
new.
Have
we
had
have
you
had
a
meeting
with
the
task
force
from
the
city,
yet.
G
We
have
yes,
we've
had
two
task
force
meetings
at
this
point
with
everyone
involved
city
staff,
as
well
as
folks,
from
a
really
wide
variety
of
interest
groups
from
around
the
city.
Some
that
I
had
never
heard
of
like
decag,
if
anybody's
unfamiliar
with
that,
I
think
that's
a
downtown
development
interest
group.
In
any
case,
we
have
it.
You
know
those
of
you
who
were
here
for
our
prior
meetings
with
mr
safika
about
the
open
space.
G
You
know
we
in
the
two
meetings
we've
had.
We
have
made
some
some
progress.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
in
trying
to
sort
of
get
the
train
on
the
tracks
and
get
it
moving
in
a
direction
where
it's
possible
that
it
could
succeed,
which
I
I
have
to
say
it
was
not
in
that
condition
when
the
process
started,
and
so
I
have.
I
have
put
up
a
good
fight
and
so
far
so
good.
So
we've
we've
made
some
some
progress.
G
We
have
achieved
agreement
around
having
a
consensus
model
for
decision
making
based
on
consensus
minus
one,
so
consensus
minus
one.
Is
you
try
to
get
consensus
at
all
times?
But
if
you
get
to
a
point
where
you
just
can't,
you
know
you
make
a
good
faith
effort
to
get
through
a
disagreement
and
reach
consensus,
but
you
don't
get
there
and
there's
only
one
hold
out
in
the
group
and
everyone
else
agrees.
Then
the
group
can
move
on
without
that
one
hold
out
if
there
it's
just
an
intransigent
disagreement.
G
So
that's
that's
where
we
have
gotten
to
we've
mostly
been
talking
about
open
space
from
a
very
high
level
sort
of
overhead
perspective.
Bird's
eye
view
perspective
of
the
significance
of
it
and
how
it
might
be
structured,
we've
thrown
we've
added
some
good
ideas
around
next
meeting
is
supposed
to
be
the
first
time
that
we
will
start
addressing
nuts
and
bolts
of
what
the
ultimate
open
space
amendment
will
look
like.
G
So
I'm
trying
to
think
of
other
key
developments
that
have
already
happened.
Lots
of
great
ideas,
I
think
that's
one
thing
to
highlight-
is
there's
been
a
lot
of
great
ideas
that
have
been
put
forward
already.
G
G
So
I
think
we
have
lots
of
hard
fights
ahead
of
us
in
this
process
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
difficult
and
detail-oriented
and
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
work
to
get
through
it,
but
I
think
we're
finally
on
a
good
footing
now,
where
everybody
is
sort
of
seeing
eye
to
eye
on
how
the
process
needs
to
work.
G
If
we
are
to
reach
consensus
and-
and
I
think
the
the
basic-
I
guess
this
is
the
last
thing
I'll
say,
the
basic
understanding
that
needed
to
be
reached
in
the
in
the
group
was
the
purpose
of
the
task
force
and
the
purpose
of
the
task
force
is
actually
that
you
know.
G
City
staff
was
not
able
to
get
the
consent
of
every
relevant
committee
and
commission
to
proceed
with
the
open
space
to
amendment
to
a
vote
before
city
council
and
so
city
council
said
we
want
buy-in
from
all
the
relevant
committees
and
commissions,
so
we
sort
of
started
on
the
wrong
note,
trying
to
go
down
a
majority
rule
path,
and
now
we've
got
it
back
to
sort
of
a
consensus
based
model.
So
that's
that's.
Basically
how
far
we've
gotten
now
and
that's
my
update.
A
H
H
H
The
the
intent
of
the
original
consensus
plan
was
to
be
able
to
stop
things
with
one
boat,
so
I
like
the
fact
that
you're
able
to
massage
around
that
somewhat
keep
going.
A
Awesome
good,
thank
you
and
then
let's
see
the
mission
statement,
so
the
mission
statement
working
group
has
a
draft
mission
statement
that
I
sent
everybody
it's
also
in
the
minutes
for
today.
So
where
we're
at
with
this,
the
charter
that
created
the
urban
forestry
commission
had
actually
some
similar
language
to
what
we
have
here.
But
it
was
not
a
specific
mission
statement
defining
the
goals
and
you
know
work
that
the
commission
will
do
so.
A
So
we
can
discuss
this
we're
open
to
any
edits
that
need
to
be
made
when
we
have
a
document
or
a
version
that
we're
all
ready
to
go
forward
with
then
we're
going
to
work
with
city
staff
to
figure
out
exactly
how
we
integrate
that
going
forward.
It
might
be
something
that
we
change
in
chapter
two
or
we
may
have
to
add
it
somewhere
else,
but
we're
working
on
that
specific
piece
of
it.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
anybody
got
a
chance
to
bring
that
up
and
take
a
look
at
it
if
there
are
any
questions,
comments,
ideas
at
this
point,
I'll
open
it
up
for
discussion.
D
Yeah,
I
think
it's
very
good.
You
guys
did
a
good
job
drafting
it.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
in
in
the
preamble
you
list
a
whole
bunch
of
environmental
benefits
the
trees,
but
I
would,
I
would
like
to
add
some
social
benefits
to
that
long
list,
if
that's
possible
or
something
as
generic
as
improved
human
condition.
But
you
know
there's
there's
a
lot
of
research
on
the
the
social
benefits
of
trees
and
I
don't
want
to
leave
that
off.
A
Really
surprised
we
left
it
off,
but
that's
why
we
have
more
eyes
on
it.
So
you're
welcome
to
submit
new
language
to
me,
or
I
can
try
to
work
that
in,
but
I
I
think,
we'd
all
agree
with
that.
Go
ahead.
Steve
did
you
more
or.
E
I
think
we
I
think
we
touched
on
that,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
it
refined
a
little
more
if
we
we
have
that
chance.
So
we
do
have
that
chance.
So.
F
Yeah
go
ahead,
I
think
it's
great.
I
really
can
see
the
the
effort
that
was
put
into
drafting
it.
I
had
two
comments,
just
echoing
ed's
comment
and
maybe
putting
in
more
explicitly
something
about
equity
in
the
preamble
and
then
the
other
thing
was.
You
know
we
say
policy
initiative,
everything
that
aligns
with
the
city's
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan-
and
you
know
I
assume
that's
gonna-
be.
F
Ongoing
ed,
I
think
you
need
to
mute
okay
and
then
so
I
just
want
something
that
will
be
kind
of
timeless,
or
at
least
for
another.
You
know
10
years
and
I'm
not
sure
how
long
living
asheville
is
meant
to
to
be
in
in
place
or
if
some
it'll
eventually
be
retooled
and
be
called
something
else.
So
just
wondering
about
including
that
language
in
there
or
or
not
yeah.
But
I
think
it
looks
great.
A
I
will
say
that
is
something
we
actually
went
back
and
forth
on
trying
to
find
the
right
way
to
combine
this
group's
goals
with
the
city's
goals.
Currently,
this
is
the
best
tie-in
and
there's
a
lot
of
language
in
the
current
comp
plan
that
we
can
look
to
to.
You
know
give
that
specific
guidance
to
council.
A
So
I
know
I'm
totally
open
to
some
other
way
to
say
this,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
specific
you
know
and
if
we
have
to
go
back
and
change
this
mission
statement
at
whatever
point
in
time.
The
comp
plan
is
changed.
That
might
be
one
option,
but
of
course,
I'm
probably
open
if
there's
a
better
way
to
you
know,
have
this
same
idea:
typed
in
yeah.
We
actually
talked
about
this
quite
a
bit
in
the
working
group
like
how
do
we
put
this
in
without
making
it
be?
F
A
No,
it's
a
really
good
point
and
yeah
other
than
possibly
amending
this
at
whatever
point
in
time
that
the
comp
plan
is
amended
that
was
kind
of
what
we
had
thought
of,
but
others
ed.
Is
that
your
hand
up
again,
if
you
guys
do
the
hand
raise
if
you
can
take
it
back
down
when
you're
done
then
I'll
know,
who's
got
a
new
hand
raised,
but
go
ahead.
D
A
I
guess
if
anyone
wants
to
send
me
ideas
or
updates
one-on-one,
you
know
just
send
them
to
me
I'll
incorporate
it
get
back
with
the
working
group
and
we'll
bring
edits
back
to
our
next
meeting,
and
hopefully
I
would
assume,
by
our
next
meeting,
we'll
be
able
to
vote
on
adopting
this
and
then
go
through
the
path
of
working
with
council
to
get
it
actually
written
in.
However,
we
need
to
do
that.
So
anything
else
is
that
a
new
hand
raised
parent
go.
G
Ahead,
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
think
the
most
helpful
thing
for
us,
as
the
working
group
on
the
mission
statement
would
be
like
specific
phrases
so,
for
example,
on
equity
or
social
benefits.
If
you've
got
a
phrase
that
you're
partial
to
that
you'd
like
to
see
go
in
there,
I
think
that
would
help
us
a
lot
to
have
those
sort
of
specific
suggestions.
A
I
agree
that
would
be
great
cecil.
A
A
H
A
We
go
awesome
and
if
you
want
your
little
square
to
show
up
in
the
you
know,
celebrity
squares
here
on
the
top
right.
If
you
go
to
u
and
hover
over
it,
you
can
click
on
the
little
there's
like
four
squares
and
a
line
you
can.
Click
on
that
and
it'll
put
you
into
the
squares.
So
all
right,
patrick,
go
ahead.
A
All
right
not
a
problem.
I
really
love
that
you
guys
are
using
the
hand
raise,
but
really
you
can
also
unmute
and
we'll
jump
in
like
we
do
at
a
live
meeting.
So,
okay,
so
we're
good
on
the
mission
statement
again.
Send
me
any
specific
language
or
edits
and
we'll
work
that
in
and
otherwise
the
working
group
will
just
try
to
incorporate
the
suggestions
as
well,
but
like
parents
said
specific
wording
that
you
like
is
helpful,
we'll
try
to
work
that
in
alrighty
policy
working
group
now
this
is
big.
You
know.
A
A
So
I
was
hopeful
that
the
policy
working
group
would,
you
know,
maybe
want
to
clarify
what
some
of
the
short-term
goals
around
policy
might
be
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
maybe
bite
off
little
chunks
as
we
move
forward
through
this
year.
So,
like
so
open
up
for
discussion,
any
thoughts
on
that
and
if
you
guys
wanted
to
put
together
a
you-
know
a
chairperson
sort
of
situation
in
that
working
group.
It
might
facilitate
communication.
A
So
again,
these
are
just
ideas,
but
what
are
your
thoughts.
B
I
think
we
I
I
think
we
need
to
get
together
and
and
go
through
this
first
and
then
bring
something
back
to
the
commission
at
the
next
meeting.
D
A
I
agree
with
that
as
well,
and
I
just
think
you
know
we
have
so
much
opportunity
with
policies
specifically
to
make
meaningful
changes.
So
I
think
it'd
be
a
great
idea
to
have
some
of
these
goals
ready
to
go
for
this
year.
You
know
what
do
we
think
we
want
to
work
on?
What
do
we
think
we
can
accomplish
and,
like
you
said,
some
timelines
make
them
smart
goals.
You
know
and
then
come
back
and
then
that's
where
then
the
entire
group
can
help.
A
You
know
you
guys
work
on
it
as
a
working
group
bring
it
back
and
then
we
can
work
to
push
forward
on
any
of
those.
So
sounds
good
to
me
so
hopefully
by
I
know,
my
next
meeting
is
a
tight
timeline,
so
if
you
guys
can
get
together
and
have
some
of
that
started,
if
not
you
know
it's
okay,
we
can
go
to
the
next
meeting
as
well,
but.
B
Yeah,
I
would
just
ask
if
ed
and
don
would
agree
to
use
the
asheville
greenworks.
What
is
it
zoom
or
google
me
functions?
We
can
use
that
to
hold
the
meeting.
A
D
Who
else
on
the
group?
It's
patrick
sharon,
steve
myself
and
you
correct
amy.
D
A
Yeah
yeah,
that
was
it
and
then
sharon
you
and
I
need
to
get
together
and
talk
about
some
trc
stuff,
but
again
we're
not.
We
haven't
gotten
together
specifically
to
work
on
that.
Yet
so
we
don't
have
an
update
but
I'll
get
a
hold
of
you
sharon
and
we'll
find
a
time
to
hash
that
out.
So,
okay,
so
that's
it
for
old
business.
We
have
some
new
business.
A
So,
first
of
all
we
wanted
to
talk
about
the
asheville
tree
map
and
I
know
we're
all
familiar
with
this,
and
it
was
something
that
was
sort
of
brought
online
when
I
first
started
with
the
commission,
so
I'm
not
fully
versed
on
the
whole
history
of
it.
I
know
it
was
like
a
outside
tool
and
then
the
city
took
it
on,
and
so
basically
the
city
was
asking
you
know:
how
do
we
use
this?
What
is
it
for?
A
You
know,
obviously,
there's
a
cost
involved
in
maintaining
that
map,
and
so
we
need
to
have
some
sort
of
reason
for
it
to
exist.
So
I'm
going
to
put
that
out
to
you
all
and
then
I
will
touch
briefly
on.
It
was
interesting
that
this
you
know,
city
asked
me
this.
What
do
we
use
the
tree
map
for
and
that
the
last
tree
protection
task
force?
A
There
was
a
discussion
about
a
project,
that's
going
to
be
going
on
at
unc
asheville
that
will
potentially
be
using
the
tree
map
to
collect
and
store
data
on
specific
trees
on
campus.
So
there's
one
use,
but
do
we
have
any
other
information
and
uses
as
far
as
the
commission?
How
do
we
see
this
map
being
used?
Is
it
something
we
want
to?
You
know
own
a
little
more
and
again,
I
don't
have
all
the
background.
So
if
anybody
wants
to
jump
in
with
what
you
know,
that'd
be
great.
F
Don,
let's
see
the
tree
map
as
a
way
to
involve
the
general
public
in
learning
more
about
their
trees
in
their
neighborhood
and
actively
participating
in
urban
forestry.
F
We
used
it
a
few
years
ago.
Greenworks
got
a
mat
grant
from
the
north
carolina
forest
service
to
do
some
tree
mapping
to
do
an
inventory
focused
on
like
charlotte
street
and
north
asheville
area
and
we're
using
you
know,
citizen
science
participation.
F
I
think
it's
not
accurate
enough
to
rely
on
that
for
a
tree
inventory,
but
I
do
think
it's
a
valuable
educational
tool
for
for
the
city
to
have.
I
definitely
have
used
it.
We've
used
it
with
volunteer
groups
and
including
unca,
and
I
know
that
allison
ormsby
there
is-
is
continuing
to
use
it
with
her
students.
G
And
don
I
I
seem
to
remember
that
when
I
was
at
the
tree
protection
task
force
the
last
time.
I
think
we
were
talking
about
this
and
it's
all
the
input
is
done
by
volunteers.
Right,
I
mean
it's
sort
of
ad
hoc
like
whoever's
participating,
puts
their
trees
into
the
map
and
then
whoever's
not
participating.
You
might
have
these
big
data
gaps
in
different
parts
of
the
city
right.
F
That
that
could
be
yeah,
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
people.
Putting
in
the
information
are
folks
who
do
know
about
trees,
and
so
you
know
like
I
have
an
account
and
I
add
trees
and
I
know
what
they
are
before.
I
add
them,
and
then
we
can
do
some
fact
checking
to
make
sure
that
what's
there
is
correct
mark,
do
you
want
to
say
anything
about
tree
map
or
its
use
or
how
you've
used
it.
M
Yeah,
I've
used
it
for
updating
inventory
in
the
central
business
district,
where
I
try
and
keep
the
most
up-to-date
records
since
you
have
tree
pits.
So
it's
a
pretty
stationary
planting
site.
It's
not
going
to
change
very
easily
and
it's
you
know
it's
reasonably
easy
to
use
and
it's
it's
an
okay
tool
for
what
it
is.
No,
it's
it's.
It's
not
anything
whiz-bang,
but
it'll
get
the
job
done
and,
as
dawn
said,
it's
easy
to.
A
M
M
A
Q
F
One
month,
one
of
my
frustrations
has
been
incomplete
information,
so
you
know
there's
I
forget
how
many
6
000
trees
entered
in
it,
and
only
less
than
half
of
them
have
complete
information.
F
So
without
complete
information,
we
can't
use
the
analysis
tools
that
are
associated
with
it,
so
it
might
be
through
I
tree
and
get
things
like
the
economic
value
and
the
storm
water
savings
value
and
the
carbon
sequestration
value.
So
it's
misleading
in
some
ways
because
it
gives
you
these
values.
You
know
as
you're
looking
at
the
map,
but
it's
only
based
on
the
number
of
trees
that
have
complete
information.
F
So
the
you
know,
the
storm
water
values,
for
example,
would
be
much
much
higher
than
what's
shown
there
if
we
had
complete
and
it
would
take
quite
an
effort
to
get
complete
information,
you
know
we've
had
greenworks
has
had
inquiries
and
interest
from
folks
who
want
to
do
a
tree
inventory.
But
you
know
there
has
to
be
the
resources
to
put
into
paying
an
entity
to
do
that
that
we
don't
have
all
right.
M
Yeah,
even
with
the
fields
that
are
more
complete,
you
know
it's
it's
a
snapshot
in
time,
and
so
as
the
trees
grow,
you
know
you're
no
longer
going
to
have
accurate
information
unless
you
have
the
capacity
of
coming
back
around.
You
know
three
to
five
years
later,
or
something
and
updating
with
you
know
fast
growing
young
trees
to
capture
their
new
size.
A
Right,
it's
not
a
replacement
for
an
inventory,
it's
just
a
tool:
yeah,
okay,
good!
Well,
hopefully,
that'll
help.
The
city
know
what
it's
used
for,
and
it
does
bring
up
some
ideas
and
some
possible
opportunities,
particularly
around
education.
I
think
dawn's
right
that
that's
probably
the
best
use
of
this
tool
is
getting
other
people
involved,
because
it
is
the
open
tree
map.
It
is
accessible
for
everyone.
So,
okay.
H
I
wonder
if,
if
a
software
developer
could
develop
an
algorithm,
for
you
know
how
fast
does
a
maple
grow
and
and
therefore
it
would
automatically
update
year
by
year.
I
don't
know
but
mark,
go.
M
A
G
F
Yeah,
it's
just
ashevilletreemap.org,
but
we
can
put
it
in
the
the
minutes.
What
was
it
going
to
say?
Oh,
this
is
somewhat
unrelated
to
the
tree
map,
but
maybe
it's
related.
I
would
like
for
there
to
be
at
the
city
level,
just
a
running
list
of
of
trees
that
are
planted
each
year
this
year.
When
I
was
doing
the
tree
city,
usa,
application.
F
A
M
So
you
mean
was
it
I
t
that
was
asking
in
terms
of.
P
A
So
yeah,
so
we
just
have
to
justify,
but
you
know,
I
think,
just
the
fact
that
you
use
it
for
central
business
district.
I
mean.
That's,
that's
pretty
big.
I
think
that's
a
good
use,
okay,
anything
else
on
tree
map
and
we
got
it.
Okay
next
is
the
tree.
Canopy
protection
ordinance
fee
and
lou
is
chris
collins.
Still
here
did
you
have
an
update
on
that?
J
I
think
it's
basically,
we
are
going
to
have
we're
going
to
send
out
a
draft
we're
putting
together
a
draft
policy
and
guidance
map
and.
J
Our
goal
is
to
send
that
out
for
review
in
april,
not
by
your
april
meeting,
if
you
have
the
april
meeting,
so
that's
what
he
said
is
that
we're
putting
together
a
draft
policy
and
guidance
and
then
we'll
we'll
once
we
kind
of
have
that
framework,
we'll
you
know,
put
it
out
to
you
guys
for
review,
recommendations,
feedback,
etc,
and
that's
all
I
know
right
now.
A
J
Course
yeah,
I
know
chris
has
been
working
with
eric
on
the
logistics
of
how
and
what
we
need
to
put
together
kind
of
from
from
managing
the
those
funds
and
there's
some.
I
don't
know
if
there's
specific
ideas
around
it.
I
haven't
caught
up
with
chris.
You
know
about
that
specifically,
but
I
know
he's
been
working
on
it
and
that
this
group
will
be
involved
in
those
decisions.
I
believe
so.
A
A
All
right,
I'm
gonna
switch
up
our
order,
real,
quick,
because
don
already
brought
up
the
tree
planting
update.
No
it's
great.
So
just
like
dawn
said
I
was
wondering,
and
we
had
had
a
conversation
previously
about
what
it
took
to
get
an
overall
number
of
trees
planted
in
the
city
for
a
given
year
or
any
given
time
frame
and
the
the
problem
or
the
issue
was
that
several
different
departments
do
tree
planting
it's
not
like
one
umbrella
and
so,
like
dawn,
said
she
had
to
get
for
the
tree
city.
A
Usa,
application
talk
to
you
know
the
projects,
capital
improvement,
capital
projects,
the
rad
tip
parks
and
rec
talked
to
mark
with
street
trees,
and
it
was
just
all
these
different
places
to
get
this
one
number.
That
should
actually
be
something
that
we
are
giving
to
the
citizens.
You
know
how
many
trees
were
planted.
Ideally
you
know
species
level
information
would
be
good
dawn
shared
with
me.
A
The
total
that
she
was
able
to
collect
for
last
year
was
518
trees
being
planted
through
those
different
city
departments,
but
it
was
a
little
hard
to
tell
if
that's
everything
you
know
or
is
there
something
we're
missing
you
know,
so
I
actually
put
a
request
in
to
the
city
as
well
to
make
this
something
that
we
get
each
year
and
maybe
it's
fiscal
year.
A
Maybe
it's
you
know
whatever
period
of
time
is
best
for
the
city,
but
I
think
that's
something
we
should
be
updated
on
and
giving
that
information
back
to
the
city
and
city
council
on
where
are
we
at
with
our
trees
and
do
we
have
a
goal
around
these
tree
planting
events
and
things
like
that
so
really
for
now
it's
just
an
update,
but
is
there
any
other
ideas
or
conversation
around
the
tree?
Planting
and
numbers
go
ahead.
D
I
think
that
we
should
also
count
the
trees
that
are
planted
through
permitting.
D
I
bet,
that's
a
whole
slew
of
trees
that
we're
not
even
counting
at
all,
but
I
don't
think
it
would
be
that
hard
for,
for
somebody
that
does
tech
for
the
city
to
put
a
counter
somewhere
on
a
website.
So
the
various
departments
can
load
the
trees
in.
A
Yeah,
that's
what
I
requested
was
number
and
species
for
now,
but
we'll
see
you
know
it's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
time,
but
it's
definitely
something
we
want
to
get
to
the
city
and
then
build
it
into
their
processes
so
that
each
year
this
can
be
something
that
just
automatically
feeds
back
out
back
to
us
and
to
them.
So
go
ahead.
F
And
they
could
go
on
the
tree
map
because
we
can
see
where
I
think
it's
important
to
know
where
they're
being
planted
as
well.
F
I
I
don't
think
that
in
the
future,
it'll
be
as
high
as
518,
because
that
included
over
300
from
the
greenway
planting
and
that's
not
something
that
happens
every
year.
So
I
think
it'll
be
much
lower,
but
it'd
be
interesting
to
see-
and
you
know,
greenworks
can
use
that
information
to
couple
with
our
tree
planting
efforts
and
show
an
overall.
You
know
this
is
the
trees
that
are
being
planted
in
the
city
in
a
given
year.
Q
H
Yeah
I
just
I
a
while
back,
I
sent
everybody
a
picture
of
of
montford
from
a
hundred
years
ago,
or
something
and-
and
I
found
that
real-
I
just
wanted
to
say.
I
found
that
really
encouraging.
H
I
mean
there
wasn't
a
specific
intent
to
plant
trees,
at
least
not
on
a
citywide
basis,
but
monford
was
was
bare
fields
at
one
point
and
if
you
drive
through
montford
today,
there's
a
lot
of
mature
trees
and
it
sort
of
made
me
hopeful
that
our
work
now
can
extend
that
sort
of
progress
into
the
future.
A
That's
right,
that's
I
remember
when
I
was
doing
my
masters
in
forestry.
I
walked
into
my
advisor's
office.
Something
was,
on
my
mind,
he's
like
slow
down.
There's,
not
really
any
forestry
emergencies.
Trees
grow
really
slow,
okay,
yeah,
except
when
they're
getting
cut
down.
That
would
be
the
only
emergency,
but
what
we
dealt
with
was
not
that
so
anyway,
so
yeah
it
is
slow
process
and
hopefully
we
are
laying
the
groundwork
for
the
future
any
other
thoughts
on
the
collecting
this
data.
Hopefully
it's
an
easy
thing,
but
I
think
it
would
be
useful
okay.
A
So
it
brings
us
back
around
to
the
last
thing
on
the
agenda,
if
everybody's
good
to
just
keep
going,
we
need
to
talk
about
our
budget
request
for
this
next
cycle
to
city,
council
and
ben.
If
you're
here,
can
you
update
us
on
how
that
process
is
working?
I
believe,
is
it
true
that
whatever
we
had
last
year
will
automatically
go
unless
we
change
it?
R
Okay,
there,
yes,
that's
correct,
madam
chair,
the
budget
process,
we'll
take
the
information
from
the
previous
year
and
just
consider
that
so
no
departments
didn't
put
together
a
new
list
of
programs
or
priority
areas.
All
we
actually
did
was
just
fill
out
our
or
complete
our
basic
operating
budget.
So
all
the
information
that
this
body
put
together
last
year
is
still
part
of
the
budget
consideration
process.
R
It's
automatic
so
basically
at
the
department
director
level,
all
we
were
able
to
do
is
just
do
our
just
do
our
basic
operating
budget,
so
everything
else
is
being
handled
by
the
budget
office
specifically.
R
No,
I
submitted
it
for
the
master
plan
as
well
as
the
position,
so
both
those
were
formally
submitted
last
year.
A
R
A
R
So
if,
if
you
wanted
to
share
with
me
some
sort
of
statement
or
I
can
pass
something
along
to
the
budget
office,
if
you
think
that
would
be
helpful,
just
to
kind
of
remind
them
like
hey,
there's,
still
a
group,
a
body
out
here-
that's
passionate
about
these
two
items
and
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
add,
you
know
kind
of
lessons
learned
over
the
past
year.
I
can
pass
that
along
I'll.
Just
need
that
quickly.
R
Well,
the
community,
the
community
listening
sessions
are
going
to
happen
in
the
months
of
march
and
april.
So
I
would
say
if
I
could
get
something
back
from
you
by
the
end
of
march.
That's
probably
timely,
because
they'll
still
be
collecting
information
at
that
point
so
and
also
you
know,
as
these
community
listening
sessions
become
available,
I
would
encourage
you,
members
of
this
commission,
to
participate
in
the
budget
process.
R
A
Yeah,
that's
a
good
point
too
right.
Okay,
so
I
don't
know.
If
we'll
have
I
guess
offline,
we
could.
I
know
we've
in
the
past
created,
you
know,
sort
of
training
documents
or
you
know
point
by
point.
You
know
speaking
points
to
our
wish
lists
and
we
probably
have
that
already
done
for
these.
We
would
just
need
to
go
through
and
see
if
there's
anything
we
need
to
update,
but.
D
Tough,
I
think
the
only
the
only
one
who's
not
familiar
with
the
request
might
be
perrin
because
he
wasn't
here
last
year,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
all
of
us
to
just
review
it
real
quickly,
one
more
time
and
and
tweak
it
as
we
need
to.
E
Yeah
we
might
want
to
put
in
a
couple
of
talking
points
like
like
ben
was
suggesting.
Maybe
we
yep
put
some
narrative
with
it
and
say:
okay,
we
got
this
ordinance,
but
we
it's
it's
very
important
that
we
move
ahead
with
these
things
and
there's
a
resolution
that
was
passed
by
people
to
reaffirm
that.
A
Yeah,
that's
true:
they
did
adopt
that
in
the
zero
net
loss
resolution.
Okay.
Well,
then,
we'll
just
have
to
do
it.
Offline
via
email
just
be
sure
that
we're
avoiding
a
quorum
I'll
blind
copy
everyone,
and
that
way
you
can
just
send
replies
back
to
me
and
I
can
work
in
small
groups
as
needed,
but
we'll
send
out
the
requests
we
had
last
year
for
review
and
then
start
up
a
list
of
talking
points
just
like
one
page
whatever.
A
G
Amy,
could
I
could
I
ask
a
question
so
ben
I'm
just
learning,
I'm
still
learning
as
the
newest
commission
member
here,
and
I
just
want
to
understand
the
budget
where
we
fit
into
the
budget
process.
Ordinarily,
I'm
assuming
that
what
you
said
about
re-submitting
our
proposal
from
last
year
to
city
council
is
basically
because
the
budget
process
got
interrupted
by
the
pandemic
and
everybody's
been
sort
of
in
suspended
animation,
and
so
we're
just
kind
of
picking
up
where
we
left
off
so
so
so
it
sounds.
G
Okay,
great-
and
that
makes
sense-
and
so
I
just
want
to
for
my
own
education
as
I'm
looking
ahead
to
next
year,
when
budget
the
budget
comes
around
again,
will
we
have
sort
of
a
refreshed
process
where
we'll
work
from
scratch
next
year
on
the
budget.
G
R
Think
this
it's
been
a
strange
couple
of
years,
so
but
yeah,
hopefully
next
year,
it'll
be
more
like
what
I
would
say
normally
happens,
which
is
we
kind
of
start
from
scratch:
try
to
identify
program,
areas
or
policy
areas
that
you
want
to
focus
on.
R
Want
those
to
align
with
city
council
goals
as
much
as
possible
and
then
usually
since
we're
the
liaison
to
this
board,
we'll
work
with
you
to
identify
a
handful
of
things
that
are
important,
make
sure
those
get
to
the
budget
request
but
yeah.
I
hope
I
feel,
like
the
budget
process,
looks
different
every
year
in
a
way.
So
since
I've
been
here
but
yeah,
hopefully
next
year,
it'll
be
back
to
you
know,
whatever
the
normal
is
going
to
be
in
terms
of
your
access
to
the
process.
E
If,
if
we
don't
get
something
we
can
keep
resubmitting,
you
know,
that's
no
rule
against
that.
So.
H
H
A
That
we
can
just
have
our
meetings
regularly,
which
is
great
or
any
other
discussion
around
the
budget
requests
at
this
point
all
right
and
then
we'll
talk
more.
A
I
think
there
will
still
be
opportunity
to
obviously
push
with
city
council
once
everything
is
submitted
to
them
before
they
actually
make
their
decisions
is
then,
when
we
need
to
activate
ourselves
and
all
our
other
community
partners
to
push
for
those
goals
and
that'll
be
in
the
next
step
after
the
request,
okay
and
then
updates-
oh,
is
mark's
still
here
I
meant
to
ask
mark
and
not
put
you
all
the
way
at
the
end.
But
did
you
have
any
notes
on
your
updates.
M
Any
hey
I'm
here
I
had
to
sit
up
in
my
chair
and
roll
in
the
position
yeah.
I
second
ed's
sentiment.
I've
been
wanting
you
guys
to
ride
bikes
to
meetings
for
years
now,
so
but
anyway,
no
unless
there
are
any
questions
about
the
update,
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
I
have
been
sharing
the
trees
that
I
plant
like
every
year
for
the
past
several
years.
A
H
A
Forest
council
pardon
me
so
awesome.
B
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
mark
the
52
trees
that
you're
planting
are
those
trees
that
are
replacing
trees
that
had
to
come
down
or
are
they
new
additional
trees
to
whatever
the
canopy
is
on
the
public
property
and
right
rights
away?.
M
No,
those
are
replacement
trees
and
I
guess,
as
discussion
was
happening
earlier,
about
the
list
of
trees
like
from
capital
projects.
You
know,
capital
projects
builds
things
and
that's
after
something
prior
was
torn
down.
M
You
know,
so
those
aren't
necessarily
a
net
gain
in
trees
and
canopy
and
mine
along
the
rights
of
way
are
not
necessarily
a
net
gain
they're
to
my
memory,
they're
all
replacement
trees
for
ones
that
have
been
removed
for
one
reason
or
another,
the
trees
that
are
going
back
in
the
parks
that
aren't
a
park's
capital
project
where
they
take
a
playground,
for
example,
and
rip
everything
out
and
some
of
the
trees
come
out
and
they
put
back
new
trees.
M
F
Yeah,
when
we
did
our
calculations
for
the
number
of
trees
that
would
need
to
be
planted
in
order
to
restore
the
tree
canopy
in
asheville
to
50,
it
was
2500
a
year
for
20
20
years,
so
that
would
include
removal.
M
In
the
meantime,
there
are
lots
of
volunteers
that
come
up
and
those
are
the
ones
we
we
don't
always
pay
much
attention
to
some
of
them.
We
need
to
because
you
know,
they're
invasive
species
or
whatever,
but
a
lot
of
the
trees
you're
looking
at
around
town.
Now
nobody
planted
them.
You
know
they
came
up
because
somebody
liked
them
there
or
somebody
didn't
pay
them
any
attention.
A
All
right
were
there
any
other
comments
on
that
piece.
So
there
was
a
update
in
here.
I
just
want
to
point
out
for
424
sunset
drive
the
project
we
talked
about
in
the
past
on
the
steep
slope
in
north
asheville.
They
have
not
been
to
board
of
adjustment.
Yet
so
there's
not
really
a
new
update
ricky.
Unless
you
had
something
else
to
update
on
that
one
go
ahead
or
ricky.
Sorry,
someone
are
you
go
ahead,
ricky
start.
L
I
will
say
it
should
is
supposed
to
be
scheduled
for
next
meeting,
which
I
believe
is
next
monday,
the
22nd
it's
on
the
schedule
for
the
docket,
so
they
could
always
ask
for
a
continuous
at
the
meeting.
They
have
not
indicated
as
such
to
date
to
me.
I
have
not
mentioned
that
either
as
an
option,
but
you
know
right
now.
It
is
slated
to
be
on
the
board
of
adjustment
agenda
item.
L
It
is
the
only
case
we
have
and
we'll
be
doing
that
case
remotely
so
y'all
are
welcome
to
either
follow
us
by
a
public
input
or
watch
the
youtube
video
after
the
fact
or
what
have
you.
Q
Sharon,
hey
ricky,
the
neighbor
just
got
their
letter
today
and
I
got
a
call
earlier
today
and
I
they
were
looking
it
up
on
the
board
of
adjustments
because
I
told
them
to
check
the
webpage
if
they
didn't
have
to
get
their
letter
they're
right
next
door.
Okay,.
G
Q
So,
who
knows
why
it
just
showed
up,
because
it's
been
posted
a
week,
the
issue
that
they
asked
me,
and
I
don't
know
the
question
I
mean
the
answer
to
this-
is
there's
no
specificity
regarding
what
was
found.
The
criteria
of
the
meeting
is
that
all
fleshed
out
during
the
board
of
adjustments
there
was
no
drawing
or
there
was
no
response
from
the
city.
What
was
a
violator,
not
a
violation
but
cons?
Q
L
L
We
mail,
everybody
within
200
feet
of
the
property
and
we
post
a
sign
published
in
the
paper.
So
it
was
just
more
of
a
general
notification
that
there
is
a
meeting
upcoming.
Now.
What
me
and
nancy
did
me
and
nancy
did
go
out
to
the
site
about
a
month
ago
now-
and
I
nancy
correct
me-
but
it
was
around
about
9
100
square
feet,
correct
nancy,
disturbed
area
which
is
well
over.
I
think
they
were
70
30.,
so
they're
about
1300
square
feet
or
so
over
yeah.
Q
L
Well,
the
the
new
information
will
be
included
in
the
board
packet.
So
if
the
board
were
to
grant
the
variance,
then
we
would
update
excel
record.
You
know
to
say
that
the
variance
is
now
for
whatever
9100
square
feet
or
9200
square
feet.
If
it's
denied,
then
we'll
have
to
step
back
and
follow
up
with
what
might
be
next
steps.
So.
Q
This
is
the
neighbor's
concern
is
that
they
don't
know
how
many
square
feet
they
know
there's
a
lot
of
disturbance,
and
I
know
that
there
was
a
lot
of
trees,
but
part
of
this
that
was
removed.
But
again
I
don't
know
if
the
trees
were
included
in
the
grating
that
were
removed,
whether
that's
counted
in
this
and
their
they
don't.
They
want
to
speak
up
and
they
want
to
write
a
letter
to
it.
They
only
know
what
they've
seen
they
don't
know
what
the
actual
city's
response
to
it.
P
C
L
Yeah,
so
part
of
the
problem
is
that
they're
communicating
through
another
body
and
we're
responsible
for
the
enforcement,
which
is
great,
that
they're
communicating,
but
in
the
letter
they
can
reach
out
to
me.
But
the
thing
is:
it's
the
applicants.
You
know
their
choice.
Is
you
know
to
to
go
to
variants,
so
they
do
so
it's
their
case
and
so
I'd
say
the
person's
next
door.
They
can
reach
out
to
me.
I
can
explain:
what's
going
on,
they
do
need
to
participate
in
the
hearing.
Writing
a
letter
is
not
sufficient.
J
L
L
I'll,
probably
probably
be
basically
updating
the
board
of
adjustment
report
to
some
degree,
but
also
bringing
forward
the
current
facts.
You
know
that
they
did
go
over
so
I'm.
O
L
On
that
report
right
now,
and
if
they
would
like
to
get
a
copy
of
that,
they
can
reach
out
to
me
and
I'll
be
glad
to
email
them.
The
link
to
the
board
of
adjustment
and
we'll
be
posting
all
that
late
thursday
or
very
early
friday
morning.
The
board
packets.
Q
Okay,
I'm
gonna
send
him
your
email.
I
have
another
question
because
it's
kind
of
like
where
I
live
on
bulk
catcher
200
feet
doesn't
go
far
and
there's
other
people
that
are
not
officially
neighbors
they're
beyond
the
200
feet,
but
they
are
neighbors.
Well,
this
I
mean.
Q
Are
they
allowed
also
to
speak
at
the
board
of
adjustments?
Hearing
as
they've
been
watching
this
go
on
as
well
and
be
considered?
What
would
you
call
them,
people
that
are
aware
of
what's
happening
even
though
they're
not
within
the
200
feet,.
L
So
yes
can
they
speak?
Yes,
okay,
just
know
that
it's
you
know
it
needs
to
be
like
facts,
things
that
that
they
have
observed.
You
know.
Basically,
it's
sworn
testimony
an.
O
L
Can
be
heard,
I
mean
we're
not
telling
people
to
say,
don't
tell
me
your
opinion,
but
they
they
need
to
say
facts
about
why
the
additional
grading
is
detrimental
and
not
just
say
it's
unsightly,
I
mean
removing
trees
can
be
unsightly,
but
it's
got
to
be
a
little
bit
more
along
the
lines.
Let's
say:
if
there's
concern
about
additional
erosion
or.
J
L
L
You
know
we
usually
have
the
cases,
we've
kind
of
heard
the
past,
but
then
people
that
just
straight
up
dud
too
much
without
any
permits
at
all
and
they've
had
to
either
remediate
the
site
or
and
pay
a
fine.
And
so
I
you
know
this
is
somewhere
in
between,
like
you
got
permission
to
do
too
much,
and
then
you
still
went
over.
Q
Yeah
well,
the
also
the
problem
has
been
the
amount
of
hardwood
trees
they
removed
and
they're,
not
planning
on
putting
back
in,
and
that's
very
hard
as
you
and
I
know
to
say
those
trees
were
there
and
then
the
applicant
or
as
you
and
I
both
know
can
say.
Well
no
that
wasn't
the
case.
But
and
so
it's
a
he
said
she
said
kind
of
thing
and
which
makes
it
the
transparency
of
it
going
to
the
board
of
adjustments
and
then
the
neighbors
not
knowing
what
it
is.
They
know
something's
wrong.
Q
They
they
can
see,
it
they've
been
watching
it
for
a
year
and
a
half
or
more,
but
they
just
don't
know
the
specificity
to
argue
it
intelligently,
other
than
saying
well,
you
had
to
go
over,
and
so
it
gives
them
the
disadvantage
of
being
able
to
argue
intent
intelligently.
Q
P
L
But
I
appreciate
you
following
this
through
yeah:
that's
what
we'll
put
it
in,
but
they're
willing
to
reach
out
to
me
and
we'll
have
it
out
this
week.
I
mean
the
board:
doesn't
even
doesn't
even
have
the
packet
yet
either
right.
The
board
doesn't
get
it
till
this
weekend,
but
of
course
they
can't
actually
consider
any
information
until
they
get
to
the
hearing.
So
they.
J
L
Everything
in
the
meeting
there's
no
pre-discussion
or
we
caution
them
even
to
drive
by
the
site.
They
have
to
be
careful
about
driving
by
the
sites
because
get
gathering
any
evidence
outside
the
hearing
can
be
problematic.
Q
A
All
right
still
in
updates,
duke
energy,
did
not
have
an
update.
We
were
hoping
to
see
roy
here,
hopefully
next
time
tree
protection
task
force.
Did
you
have
any
updates.
D
D
Probably
yeah
we
just
couldn't
get,
we
just
couldn't
get
the
notes
back
to
haley
in
time
from
the
meeting,
but
I
I
guess
we
can.
Maybe
we
can
just
put
the
link.
I
moved.
A
Okay,
enough
of
that,
we
are
going
to
get
done
on
time,
so
no,
no,
we
can
add
them
to
the
record.
That
would
be
great,
but
any
no
updates.
I
was
I
did
like
the
presentation
from
the
researchers
at
unca
and
I'm
excited
to
see
what
their
project
comes
up
with
on
their
tree
inventory.
Yeah
then
green
works,
any
updates.
D
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
hayley
for
doing
such
a
great
job,
taking
notes
during
our
retreat.
That
was
a
marathon
meeting
and
it
lasted
three
or
four
hours.
Didn't
it
four
hours
and
you
did
a
really
good
job
taking
notes.
So
thank
you.
That
was
a
hard
task.
I
know,
but
you
probably
headed
right
home
and
drank
a
beer
or
slam
dunk
a
beer
just
that
evening.
Thank
you.
A
Go
ahead,
don.
F
Yeah,
I
just
remembered
something
we
will
be
holding
our
tree
giveaway
spring
free
giveaway
on
april
18th
and
that's
going
to
be
held
at
the
buncombe
county
sports
park
from
10
to
2
and
we
are
giving
one
tree
per
buncombe
county
household.
So,
in
the
past,
we've
done
two,
but
this
this
round
we're
going
to
do
one
we're
hoping
to
give
away
500
trees
on
that
day
and
the
registration
will
be
open
soon.
Online.
G
And
I
just
on
the
duke
item
I
wanted
to.
I
see
that
they're
saying
that
they're
not
doing
any
routine
maintenance
in
the
city
limits
right
now
and
I
believe
it
was
in
my
neighborhood
I
just
saw.
Maybe
in
the
last
week
it
looked
like
an
entire
street
of
trees
had
been
cut
for
power
lines.
G
A
G
Well,
maybe
they
wrote
that
that
they're
not
doing
any
maintenance
right
now
after
they
finished
that
I
I.
F
Happen
I
have
seen
and
talked
to
you
telephone
companies
that
have
done
some.
I
don't
know
who
they
contract
with
to
do
it,
but.
C
A
D
A
D
E
A
A
I
think
this
and
I
all
right
perrin.