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A
B
Thank
you,
amy,
hello,
everybody.
This
is
stephan
munsendahl
from
the
city
of
asheville's
planning
and
urban
design
department.
Welcome
to
the
joint
work
session
of
the
multimodal
transportation
committee
and
the
downtown
commission.
Today
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
public
space
management
and
asheville
shared
space,
and
it's
going
gonna
be
a
bit
of
a
fun
time.
We'll
have
a
lot
of
interactive
stuff
going
on,
and
I
wanted
to
just
say
thank
you
for
anyone
at
home
for
waiting
for
us.
We
did
have
some
technical
difficulties
and
overlap
of
meetings.
B
C
Thanks
stephanie,
yes,
welcome.
Everyone
dennis
wenzel
is
unfortunately
pulled
away
today,
so
he's
unable
to
be
here.
But
I
want
to
welcome
the
members
of
the
multi-modal
transportation
commission
and
I
call
your
name.
Would
you
like
to
introduce
yourself
please
and
tell
us
what
interest
you
represent
so
again,
I'm
randy
warren,
I'm
also
on
the
bike
ted
task
force,
michael
stratton,.
D
C
Thanks
kenny
pat
katz.
A
Hi
everybody
I'm
at
large,
although
my
husband
is
a
big
bicyclist,
so
I'm
a
little
biased.
That
way.
Thank
you.
H
Anna
sexton
here
representing
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee,.
I
C
Thanks
joe
so
john,
he
had
a
he
gives
call
away
for
a
work
thing
last
minute
and
so
he's
not
here
kim
rooney
is
our
council
member
representative.
I'm
not
sure.
If
kim
is
here
or
not,
is
she.
J
I
can
do
role.
I
don't
know
that
everybody
wants
to
introduce
themselves.
Some
of
them
might
shoot
me
so
I'm
brian
moffatt,
the
chair
of
the
downtown
commission,
I'm
a
local
architect.
K
Grove
arcade
public
market
foundation.
I
have
been
their
executive
director
for
16
years,
so
I'm
very
interested
in
preservation.
L
M
Good
afternoon,
as
andrew
fletcher,
here
I
serve
on
the
public
space
management
committee.
I'm
also
a
board
member
of
the
actual
music
professionals.
I've
worked
with
the
asheville
buskers
collective
and
I'm
deeply
ingrained
with
the
success
in
the
life
of
downtown
and,
of
course,
that
includes
ways
to
get
downtown
and
get
around
downtown.
So
I'm
really
glad
to
be
in
this
joint
meeting
and
along
with
maggie
I'm
also
a
candidate
for
asheville
city
council.
J
Is
kimberly
here
I
don't
see
her
on
the
list.
No
kimmy's,
not
here.
Okay,
stephen
lee
should
be
joining
us
shortly.
I
hope
he's
supposed
to
robin.
I
think
I
gave
her
a
break
before
she
got
in
here.
Robin
are
you
here
say
hello.
N
Hello,
I'm
robin
raynes,
I'm
on
the
downtown
commission
and
I
am
on
the
design
review
committee
and
I
am
an
architect
in
downtown
and
a
cyclist
and
a
runner
and
a
car
driver
and
all
the
things.
So
I'm
excited
to
be
here
today:
cool.
J
I
thought
I
saw
him
leave
and
then
come
back
keo.
Does
everything
he's
on
planning
and
zoning
he's
a
landscape
and
he's
on
plane?
I
don't
know
he
does
lots
of
stuff
he'll
be
back
in
in
a
minute
and
then
I
don't
think
megan
is
here:
megan
rogers.
Is
she
no
I'm
here?
Oh
you're
here
say
hello.
O
I'm
here
I'm
jumping
back
and
forth
between
the
last
two
meetings
but
and
I
walk
drive
and
all
I
also
drive
electric
and
all
the
things
I
am
multimodal.
B
Thanks
and
I
did
see,
guillot
show
up
guillo,
you
want
to
say
hi.
P
Yeah
before
I
quit,
I
quit
on
you.
I
hope
this
is
not
another
one
of
those
pnc
meetings
where
I
had
to
go
like
from
from
my
my
mac
to
an
ipad
to
a
telephone
at
helen's
bridge,
but
I
will
do
that
if,
if
it
means
getting
through
this
meeting,
hi
I'm
guillermo
rodriguez,
everyone
calls
me
geo.
I've
been
on
planning
this.
I
just
stepped
off
planning
and
zoning.
I'm
a
landscape
park,
tech
by
profession.
P
B
Fantastic,
that's
a
great
segue,
because
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
our
staff
also
loves
downtown
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
about
downtown
today,
but
and
urban
spaces
and
the
public
realm
so
much
so
that
we
have
developed
a
couple
things
to
help
us
commit
more
to
working
on
the
public
realm
and
the
things
that
you
are
interested.
I
wanted
to.
B
In
addition
to
that,
our
team
coordinates
an
interdepartmental
group
that
includes
folks
from
parks,
capital
projects,
transportation,
public
works
and
they're
called
the
urban
design
working
group.
So
they've
been
up
and
running
kind
of
along
the
same
time,
frame
that
this
new
division
has
been
up
and
running,
and
this
new
division
has
really
served
as
the
coordinating
body
for
asheville
share
space,
and
I
would
say
that
with
the
largest
partnership
happening
between
transportation,
planning
and
urban
design
and
dsd.
So
what
you
need
to
take
away
from
that
is.
B
B
The
first
is
that
you
should
better
understand
the
asheville
shares
space
program,
as
it
is
right
now,
just
the
current
status
of
it
and
then
the
framework
that
we're
using,
which
is
called
the
public
space
management
framework
and
dana's,
going
to
talk
about
that
first
thing
to
make
decisions
moving
forward,
and
we
also
want
you
to
think
about
number
two
like
what
this
select
group
of
stakeholders.
Just
the
the
two
commissions
and
some
of
the
other
folks
that
are
on
the
line,
is
really
thinking
about
the
program
right.
B
So
you
should
walk
out
of
this
meeting,
have
a
better
sense
of
how
people
are
thinking.
Is
it?
Is
there
a
diversity
of
opinions
on
some
of
the
issues
we're
facing,
or
is
it
pretty
homogeneous
and
people
kind
of
all
know
what
we
want
to
do?
Moving
forward
we're
going
to
accomplish
that
by
having
some
discussion,
but
some
of
it
is
going
to
be
through
a
system
where
you're
going
to
need
to
use
your
phone.
B
B
It'll
be
really
easy,
a
really
easy
url,
but
we're
going
to
ask
you
to
also
put
any
questions
you
have
in
the
chat
as
we're
going
along,
so
we're
going
to
make
sure
we
get
to
all
of
those
and
if
we
can't
well,
I
shouldn't
say
that
we're
going
to
try
to
get
to
all
those
and
if
we
can't
we'll
follow
up
on
any
of
those
questions.
But
we
ask
you:
please
do
not
have
conversations
on
the
chat
right
just
as
normal.
B
This
is
just
for
us
to
be
able
to
collect
your
questions
in
an
organized
manner.
We
want
to
be
fair
and
transparent
to
the
folks
that
are
watching
at
home.
So
no
conversations
on
that
chat,
so
the
third
thing
that
you
should
walk
away
with
is
a
better
understanding
of
the
challenges
that
city
staff
thinks
that
that
we're
facing
and
how
we
would
like
to
move
forward
in
a
way
for
you
to
provide
us
feedback
on
that
in
the
coming
weeks
and
months,
so
that
we
can
do
this
together.
B
So
a
big
thank
you
before
we
again
to
say
that
it's
kind
of
critical
that
we
get
not
only
your
opinion
but
a
larger
group
of
people's
opinions.
We've
been
doing
that
and
you'll
see
that
on
how
we
use
our
public
space
because
it
really
is
very
important.
B
B
B
Q
C
B
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna
ask
since
you
you
guys,
got
all
political
on
us
and
noted
that
maggie
allman
and
andrew
fletcher
are
are
running.
So
can
you
guys
each
really
quickly,
just
tell
us
what
you
said
and
why.
F
Like
you
want
us
to
talk
to
what
our
responses
were,.
F
Sure
I
put
down
safe
and
I
even
put
it
down
twice,
because
I
think
that
who
doesn't
want
to
be
safe
and
starting
from
a
place
where
we
all
agree
is,
I
think,
how
you
move
forward
and
then,
with
my
multimodal
lens
hat
on,
I
think
about
how
we
have
more
pedestrian
deaths
than
anywhere
else
and
how
much
congestion
of
people
bikes
cars
happen.
Downtown
that
really
centering
safety
for
our
public
space
is
a
good
place
to
start,
and
then
my
favorite
place
downtown
is
triangle
park.
M
Yeah
I
wrote
welcoming
and
diverse
and
when
I
mean
diverse,
I
also
I
don't
just
mean
like
a
diverse
population
of
people,
but
I
mean
diverse
uses
and
when
I
mean
welcoming,
I
mean
all
the
ingredients
that
go
into
welcoming,
which
you
need
all
of
I
think
to
be
successful.
M
And
that
includes
safety
and
comfort
like
places
to
sit
and
cleanliness
and
places
to
put
trash,
and
all
of
that
just
all
of
the
sort
of
furniture
that
makes
and
characteristics
that
make
a
place.
Welcoming.
B
M
I
think
my
favorite
place,
I
forgot
my
favorite
place,
the
flatiron
wall
street
sort
of
intersection,
because
I
think
it
represents
what
I
think
makes
cities
really
great
is
a
large
number
of
small
places
that
work
together
to
create
a
greater
network.
M
When
you
round
that
corner,
you
feel
surprised
and
sort
of
cozy
and
welcoming,
and
it's
both,
it
shows
a
diversity
of
uses.
It's
welcoming
and
there's
often
really
good
busking
there,
and
it
also
is
a
great
example
of
a
shared
street,
and
I
hopefully
is
an
example
for
the
rest
of
our
city
and
our
work
today.
B
So
dana
is
going
to
start
us
out
right
now
talking
about
a
document
that
we
worked
on
with
a
task
force.
Most
of
the
work
was
done
right
before
kova
dana.
You
want
to
start.
R
Yes,
thank
you
good
afternoon.
Everyone
excited
to
have
these
conversations
with
you
today
and
get
your
feedback.
R
Do
you
just
want
to
point
out
that
we're
really
focusing
we're
talking
about
public
space,
but
we're
really
talking
about
public
space
in
our
downtown
urban
public
space,
so
some
of
this
could
apply
to
other
areas
of
our
city,
but
I
think
today's
conversation
is
really
focused
on
our
downtown
and
we
wanted
to
start
by
discussing
and
providing
some
updates
on
an
initiative
that
we
began
several
years
ago.
R
R
So,
just
setting
the
stage
a
little
bit
on
why
this
work
was
initiated
in
the
first
place,
and
this
is
you
know
you
all.
Are
you
know
this?
We
have
a
really
busy
downtown.
We've
seen
significant
growth,
pretty
much
in
all
areas,
especially
over
the
past
10
years,
since
our
downtown
master
plan
was
completed,
having
a
busy
downtown
is
a
relatively
good
problem
or
challenge
to
have,
but
there's
there's
a
lot
of
conflicting
and
competing
uses
of
public
space.
R
R
So
you
know,
there's
different
competing
uses,
there's
competing
benefits
and
to
be
honest,
depending
on
whether
you're
a
business
owner,
whether
you're
a
busker,
whether
you're
a
staff
person
in
the
public
works
department
or
in
the
transportation
department.
You
know
we
all
have
different
lenses
on
how
we're
viewing
these
various
benefits
and
uses
of
public
space,
and
we
have
very
narrow,
sidewalks
right.
R
So
over
the
past
several
years,
the
need
has
come
up
in
different
ways
that
we
could
all
benefit
from
a
more
holistic
look
at
the
various
uses
of
this
space
and
the
trade-offs
between
those
uses
and
really
to
work
towards
a
shared
understanding
of
the
positive
and
negative
impacts
of
of
these
various
components
and
and
how
they
shape
people's
experience.
To
this
downtown.
R
R
Should
we
let
this
restaurant
you
know,
do
a
bulb
out
and
all
of
these
things
and
and
so
a
shared
understanding
and
foundation
really
can
help
help
us
have
a
better
framework
for
decision
making
and
represent
you
all
the
public
a
little
bit
better
so,
and
we
just
thought
you
know,
we
definitely
wanted
to
revisit
this
in
the
context
of
the
abl
shares
space
program,
because
all
of
that
is
in
public
space,
and
we
have
done
all
this
great
work
to
try
to
lay
out
a
foundation.
R
So
we
have
been
having
intentional
conversations
about
downtown
public
space
management
for
quite
some
time
and
just
wanted
to
go
back
a
few
years.
To
give
a
little
background,
there
was
a
downtown
stakeholder
group
formed
in
2014
that
met
regularly
a
lot
of
their
work.
Culminated
in
a
public
forum
that
took
place
in
2016.
R
R
If
you
guys
want
to
check
them
out
at
some
point,
staff
also
made
some
changes
to
push
cart
placement
really
just
looking
at
some
congested
areas
and
we
were
directed
to
explore
the
possibility
of
a
pedestrian
mall
on
wall
street,
and
so
we
did
work
for
a
couple
years
very
closely
with
the
businesses
on
wall
street,
to
do
a
series
of
programs
and
explore
possibilities,
understand
their
needs
and
try
to
advance
pedestrian
oriented
activity
there
and
explore
the
possibility
of
regular
closures.
R
So
you
know
that
work
was
an
incremental,
but
I
think
in
going
through
it,
it
also
highlighted
the
need
for
a
little
bit
more
of
a
cohesive
approach
to
recognize
the
interconnectedness
of
all
this
work
in
our
public
space.
So
we
started
looking
towards
creating
this
framework
staff
created
a
framework.
We
took
a
stab
at
an
interdepartmental
team.
We
went
to
the
downtown
commission
and
they
were
like.
Should
city
staff
really
be
creating
this
public
space
management
framework
like?
I
think
that
the
public
should
be
more
involved
in
creating
what
this
is.
R
Andrew
head,
that
up
as
chair
and
worked
really
hard
for
a
couple
of
years
to
develop
a
survey
analyze
that
survey
and
staff
based
on
all
their
good
work,
has
been
working
now
for
a
little
while
on
creating
this
resulting
framework,
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
and
because
we
want
to
re-engage
or
reform
the
public
space
management
committee
I
haven't
met
since
before
covid.
R
And
we
got
a
lot
of
feedback.
We
asked
a
lot
of
demographic
questions
really
to
understand
who
we
were
hearing
from,
and
we
really
wanted
to
ask
we
knew
if
we
asked
what
people
wanted
in
public
space.
It
would
be
like
we
want
it
all
you
know,
but
we
can't
have
it
all
and
we
have
such
lim.
We
really
have
limited
sidewalk
space
to
work
with,
unfortunately,
in
our
downtown,
so
we
asked
people
to
rate
various
uses
of
public
space
and
let
us
know
what
impacts
them
positively.
R
R
Construction
related
street
closures
was
very
negative
and
you
know
it
might
seem
obvious
in
a
way,
but
I'll
tell
you
that
it's
really
not
because
there
are
downsides
to
each
of
these
there's
downsides
to
dining
there's
downsides
to
to
even
having
plantings
that
take
up
space.
So
it's
important
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
this
feedback.
R
We
asked
the
question
in
a
slightly
different
way,
with
some
additional
uses
of
public
space
and
ask
folks
what
contributes
to
a
positive
experience,
and
we
asked
about
things
like
bike.
Racks
on
street
parking
off
street
parking,
restroom
facilities,
public
art
and
again
trees
and
shade
is
on
top
unobstructed
space
for
walking
and
mobility
was
second
to
that
greenery
and
planting
sidewalk
lighting
and
at
the
bottom,
not
that
it
was
necessarily
an
issue
but
not
as
much
importance
availability
of
loading
zones,
which
I
would
beg
to
differ
because
we
hear
about
that.
R
A
lot
but
young
adult
facilities
ease
in
availability
of
ride
share,
and
you
guys
can
take
a
look
through
this
when
you'd
like
to
so-
and
I
know
I'm
doing
a
lot
of
talking,
but
I
promise
we're
going
to
be
more
engaging
soon.
So,
with
the
survey
results,
our
public
space
management
committee
went
through
an
exercise
where
we
had
these
various
principles
and
values
things
like
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
read
them
all,
but
people
can
move
freely
from
place
to
place.
R
Public
space
is
activated
when
multiple
spaces
or
when
multiple
spaces
are
multi-purpose.
I
guess
those
are
the
sub
values,
but
anyway
we
went
through
each
of
the
elements.
Yes,
absolutely
we
have
them
to
share
with
you
for
sure.
R
So
it's
an
interesting
exercise
and
really,
I
would
say
this,
exercises
the
meat
of
what
of
our
resulting
framework
and
I'll
just
provide
one
example,
because
it's
a
I
mean
it's
it's
about
25
pages,
so
we
can't
get
through
it
today,
but
it's
not
exhaustive,
but
one
example
or
for
for
about
14
different
uses.
R
We
included
in
the
report
survey,
feedback,
public
benefits
and
positive
impact
of
that
use,
concerns
negative
impacts
of
those
uses,
and
then
some
guidelines
and
recommendations,
and
just
as
an
example
and
in
the
in
the
framework,
there's
multiple
bullet
points
under
each
of
these,
but
have
a
description.
What
we
heard
about
outdoor
dining,
we
recognize
that
that
a
public
benefit
positive
impact
is
outsource.
R
So
a
resulting
guideline
under
outdoor
dining
is
approval
of
outdoor
dining
areas
should
be
secondary
to
the
safe
movement
of
pedestrians
and
to
the
placement
and
health
of
street
trees.
So
we
really
tried
to
recognize
where
the
prioritization
was
in
terms
of
these
uses
and
consider
how
we
can
maximize
support
of
the
positive
impacts
and
manage
to
the
extent
possible
the
negative
impacts.
R
So
with
all
this,
our
next
steps
are
to
re-establish
the
public
space
management
committee,
and
I
think
today,
we'd
be
interested
to
hear
if
anyone
in
particular
on
the
multimodal
commission
is
interested.
We
still
have
some
folks
on
the
downtown
commission
that
will
reconvene
and
we'll
work
through
representation
and
next
steps
there
with
that
group
and
also
with
some
more
internal
vetting,
will
finalize
the
framework.
We've
worked
on
and
the
recommendations
and
really
the
idea
of
this
document.
R
R
It
provides
guidance
for
this
newly
formed
urban
design,
working
group,
which
is
great
and
it
can
serve
as
a
foundation
for
future
streetscape
planning
and
future
updates
to
the
downtown
master
plan
that
deal
with
the
public
realm,
and
with
that
I
think,
I'd
just
like
to
open
open
this
up.
We
don't
have
for
all
of
the
other
topics
we're
discussing.
We
have
fun
questions
for
you.
We
don't
have
specific
questions
here,
but
if
folks
have
questions,
we'd
love
to
open
it
up.
B
B
We
absolutely
can
share
this
presentation
and
we'll
put
it
on
both
the
mobile,
the
multimodal
and
downtown
commission
websites
for
folks
and
then
the
the
other
question
was
about
from
michael.
Were
there
any
specific
questions
included
in
the
survey
pertaining
to
conversion
of
streets
to
pedestrian
streets
and
then
a
chime
in
from
randy
saying
or
multimodal
streets?
So
what
about
converting
streets.
R
So
no,
we
didn't
ask
that
question.
We
have
asked
that
question
in
the
context
of
avl
shares
space
and
we,
which
may
or
may
not
be
in
the
slide,
but
we
can
talk
about
that.
We
didn't
ask
that
question
specifically
here.
We
really
broke
it
down.
However,
also
we
had
open-ended
responses
in
this
survey
and
I
definitely
want
to
make
sure
I
provided
a
link,
and
so
once
you
get
the
slides,
it
would
be
great
and
to
see
what
other
insights
we
did
learn
through
these
questions.
B
G
Well,
I
was
just
thinking
that
we
need
a
lot
of
accessibility
to
all
the
various
multimodal
paths.
If
you
will
right
so
we've
got
a
constrained
amount
of
public
space,
which
means,
if
we
want
more
access,
then
we
have
to
reserve
some
of
it
for
multimodal
access.
So
that
was
the
the
idea
that
I
had
with
that
question.
B
Okay,
thanks,
I
think
that's
kind
of
this.
It's
a
similar
answer,
as
we
focused
in
the
survey
on
really
specific
uses.
So
we
could
better
understand
how
things
were
stacking
up
against
each
other,
but
what
I
think
is
where
we're
going
is
that
there's,
you
guys
are
creating
great
questions
like
dana
said
for
our
next
survey,
andrew
fletcher,
first.
M
M
Really,
I
think
it
because
we
were
because
we're
coming
off
the
downtown
commission
we're
making
we
sort
of
drew
our
focus
to
what
you
are,
how
you're
using
downtown
after
you
get
there,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
going
to
take
place
on
the
on
the
sidewalks
and
on
the
sort
of
the
the
non-vehicular
portions
of
the
public
space,
and
I
think
that
that
I
think
that
was
appropriate
because
we
were
coming
from
downtown
commission,
and
I
think
that
also
highlights
the
need
for
these
two
groups
to
work
together
on
the
on
the
bigger
questions
about
halfway
like
how
do
you
get
downtown?
M
Q
C
Yeah,
so
I
understand
it
andrew
thanks
for
the
explanation.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
think
from
multimodal's
perspective.
The
way
we
look
at
it
is
that
you're
missing
a
big
part
of
the
picture
because
streets
the
vehicles
are
using
is
public
space
and
we
shouldn't
just
think
about
sidewalks.
C
That's
where
people
are
supposed
to
be
because
people
are
in
the
streets
already,
whether
they're
in
a
vehicle
on
their
foot
on
a
bike
in
a
wheelchair,
whatever
they're
in
the
streets,
and
so
that's
public
space,
and
it
feels
like
you,
cut
all
that
out
with
the
survey
you
only
looked
at
sidewalks,
which
you're
restricting
saying
people
should
only
be
in
sidewalks,
but
they
aren't
they're
all
over
the
place.
So
just
the
mindset
of
the
whole
thing
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
understanding
that
streaks
aren't
off
limits.
C
You
know
and
and
right
now
people
are
using
those
streets.
You
know
today
and
they're
at
jeopardy
a
lot
of
times
in
these
streets
because
of
the
way
they're
structured
and
so
that's
downtown,
open
space
that
needs
to
be
safe
for
everybody,
and
so
we
just
want
to
make
sure
you're
thinking
in
that
way,
and
every
time
you
talk
about
downtown,
open
space
streets
are
part
of
that
you
know,
and
so,
if
we
pack
them
with
cars,
we
make
them
dangerous.
C
R
I
did
just
want
to
comment
that
I
do
feel
it's
hard
to
know.
You
know
exactly
what's
in
how
things
get
interpreted
and
right
now
we
see
pushcarts
on
sidewalks
right,
but
I
do
think
the
way
that
the
survey
was
approached,
or
at
least
the
way
the
group
wanted
to
be
thinking
about
it
is
that
it
was.
It
is
streets
and
sidewalks,
so
I
don't
think
that
that
it
was
intended
to
be
specific.
Only
to
sidewalks
we
could.
I
mean
streets
can
be
repurposed
absolutely
for
any
of
these
things.
D
Well,
yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
because
I
really
do
feel
we
missed
an
opportunity
and
not
intentionally
you
know.
Maybe
there
was
just
not
enough
voices
part
of
the
the
conversation
putting
that
initial
survey
together,
but
you
know,
if
we're
going
to
go,
let's
say:
ask
a
big
ask
from
city
council
about
re
defining
spaces
downtown.
D
I
don't
know
what
we
can
pull
out
of
this
original
survey.
That
would
have
made
the
case
for
a
you
know:
pedestrian
street,
so
moving
forward.
If
we
have
another
one.
I'd
like
to
be
really
explicit
with
that
make
sure
that
the
public
has
a
very
explicit
question
and
ability
to
weigh
in
to
say
yes,
we
value
this
or
we
don't
value
that,
because
otherwise
we're
just
going
to
hear
what
the
businesses
have
to
tell
us
and
more
often
than
not
the
businesses
are
going
to
say,
don't
close
my
street.
B
F
How
about
now,
can
you
hear
me
growl
in
frustration?
I
guess
I
was
saying
that
I
guess
I'm
eager
to
hear
and
look
at
the
actual
framework,
because
my
understanding
is
this
survey
is
a
precursor
to
the
synthesis
and
analysis
you
did,
which
then
resulted
in
the
framework.
So
we
might
want
another
survey.
We
might
not.
You
know
some
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
from
the
data.
F
I
think
really
lend
itself
to
the
goals
that
a
sub
group
that
was
from
cross
commission
talked
about
of
putting
pedestrians
first
as
priority
one
and
cars
as
the
last
priority.
So
I'm
eager
to
hear
that
type
of
stuff
because
we
might
actually
be
further
along
than
we
think
before
no
point
that
we
need
to
survey
again.
B
What
a
great
point
so
there
as
dana
was
mentioning
it's:
it's
not
insurmountable
to
get
through
the
document.
It's
not
huge,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
information
in
it
and
just
as
a
reminder,
it
is
a
living
document
and
it
really
is
a
guide
that
that
staff
wants
to
be
able
to
be
using
to
make
decisions.
We
didn't
have
anything
before
this,
so
it's
a
it's
a
start
and
I
I
love
where
you're
all
going.
I
think
it's
a
it's.
It
shows
that
probably
staff-
and
you
all
are-
are
thinking
similarly
you're.
B
B
Okay,
dana's
gonna.
Well,
a
few
people
are
gonna
talk
during
this
and
I
hope
that
each
one
of
staff
just
briefly
introduces
themselves
because
not
everyone
knows
each
other
and
what
they
do
in
the
city.
So
dana's
gonna
start
off.
I
believe
right,
dana.
You
said.
H
B
Great
to
get
into
the
meat
of
the
program
itself
and
keep
your
ears
out
you'll,
you
should
be
hearing
challenges
throughout
these
and
those
are
important
because
those
are
the
issues
that
we
need
to
solve
together
as
a
community
there'll,
be
some
specific
focus
on
that,
but
they
should
be
shared
throughout
dana.
R
All
right
so
avl
shares
space.
I
hope
I
think
most
of
you
know
generally
what
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about
the
the
programs
that
we
launched
during
coved
to
really
specifically
allow
businesses
and
organizations
to
to
utilize
outdoor
spaces
a
little
bit
more
flexibly
in
order
to
operate
safely
and
in
order
for
the
public
and
customers
to
have
safer
access
to
goods
and
services,
and
we
launched
a
number
of
different
initiatives.
R
R
You've
seen
those
on
haywood
road,
merriman
avenue
places
like
that.
We
introduced
curbside
pickup
zones
downtown
and
in
west
asheville,
and
we
also
launched
a
few
different
equity
markets
where
we
sponsored
black
and
brown
vendors
to
set
up
at
existing
events.
But
we
sponsored
the
ability
for
them
to
be
able
to
to
have
a
presence
in
those
spaces.
R
And
our
approach,
so
we
organized
an
interdepartmental
team
in
the
spring
of
2020.
We
were
getting
a
lot
of
ideas
from
the
public
and
we
knew
we
needed
to
act
quickly.
We
knew
there
were
opportunities
to
repurpose
streets
and
sidewalks
and
public
spaces,
so
we
formed
a
team
and
we
established
some
guiding
principles
which
we'll
pull
up
in
a
second.
R
And
so
just
a
timeline
and
to
note
that
we've
extended
these
programs
several
times
now
we,
let's
see
first,
we
aligned
with
the
local
emergency
order.
Then
we
decided
to
push
things
a
bit
further.
R
S
Hey
thanks
dana
and
it
probably
won't
even
last
a
couple
of
minutes,
but
since
it's
not
our
main
focus
today,
we
do
have
several
businesses
that
have
expanded
into
their
private
areas.
Parking
areas,
landscape
areas,
only
a
couple
of
those
downtown
really
a
few
of
them
downtown,
because
there's
so
much
public
space
downtown,
but
the
approach
we're
taking
with
them
right
now
is
we've
sent
out
a
form.
S
We've
asked
them
to
submit
to
us
to
transition
to
permanency
because
that's
going
to
be
the
hard
part
of
the
this
is
going
from
that
leniency
of
expansion
during
the
first
part
of
the
pandemic,
into
where
we
are
now
and
getting
folks
properly
permitted.
So
we're
getting
information
about
what
they're
doing
out
there
contacting
each
one
of
them
individually
once
they
once
they
fill
out
the
form
and
kind
of
coming
up
with
a
personalized
road
to
permanency
for
each
business.
S
So
we
can
get
them
in
that
permitting
process,
and
hopefully
that's
going
to
be
successful.
So
far
we
had
a
nice
push
of
them.
We
had
about
11
or
12
folks,
fill
out
the
form
in
the
first
week
and
then
it
slowed
down
so
we're
gonna
have
to
keep
pushing
that
back
out,
but
hopefully
it's
a
model
for
how
we'll
work
with
folks,
as
we
come
up
with
other
ways
for
public
space
to
transition,
or
whatever
happens
there
just
to
help
guide
our
folks
out
of
this
temporary
nature
and
temporary
condition.
R
Thank
you,
chris
all
right
and.
R
So,
just
to
note,
we
the
participation
that
we've
had
in
these
temporary
programs.
Almost
100
businesses
have
participated
about
half
of
those
a
little
more
than
half
are
utilizing
private
property.
So
even
though
maybe
the
parklets
and
the
shared
streets
are
something
that
I
think
is
particularly
interesting
to
this
group.
More
of
of
what
we've
seen
and
a
lot
of
businesses
have
benefited
benefited
from
using
those
private
lots.
R
We.
We
will
also
note
that
we
open
this
up,
I
think
as
flexibly
as
we
could,
for
you
know
any
organization
to
be
able
to
use
outdoor
space
we've
seen
and
and
we've
heard
feedback
from
retailers
and
others
why
it
doesn't
make
as
much
sense
for
them.
But
we've
really
seen
that
almost
all
of
the
folks
utilizing
this
program
are
restaurants.
R
R
That
but
it's
something
that
we've
definitely
seen
so
we
did
get
business
feedback.
We
learned
some
other
things
as
well.
Our
recent
survey
did
ask
them
about
about
street
closures,
so
I
hopefully
maybe
I
can
dig
that
up
before
we're
done
today.
Mostly
in
summary,
the
feedback
has
been
really
largely
positive.
Folks
have
really
appreciated
it.
It
has
saved
people's
businesses,
we've
been
told
that
countless
times
which
is
incredible
and
the
public
surveys.
So
we
did
a
public
survey
this
past
september
and
we
got
really
super
positive
responses.
R
We
asked
about
each
different
program.
It
was
kind
of
a
long
survey,
but
we
really
wanted
to
understand
where
people
are
at
with
each
of
these
and
then
and
for
the
most
part
folks
were
very
supportive
all
around
it
encouraged
people
to
access
local
goods
and
services,
which
was
really
nice
to
hear
it
helped
people
feel
safer.
So
we
really
feel
like
we
were
able
to
accomplish
the
goals
that
we
initially
set
out
to
do,
and
I
have
a
link
to
the
full
survey
results.
R
So
that's
a
fun
one
to
take
a
look
at
as
well
with
all
of
that.
We're
going
to
dig
in
now-
and
I
know
I've
missed
some
questions
but
I'll.
Let
steph
figure
out
the
right
time
for
those
we
will
start
talking
about
public
sidewalks,
specifically
and
we'll
hand
it
over
to
david.
E
Hi
all
glad
that
you're
all
here
and
care
so
much
about
our
downtown
public
spaces.
So
first
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
volunteering.
Your
time
I
know
it's
a
valuable
resource
and
the
city
truly
appreciates
it.
E
As
most
of
you
know,
we
have
it's
not
new
and
dining
on
sidewalks
is
not
new
to
asheville,
so
I
would
say
this
is
probably
one
of
the
easier
initiatives
that
we
launched,
because
we
had
existing
standards
and
existing
process
in
place
to
move
those
along.
E
The
main
changes
in
which
we
did
with
the
avl
share
space
program
was
really
was
expedite
the
process.
So
it
was
a
one
to
two
day
turnaround
tried
to
move
them
as
quick
as
we
possibly
could,
and
we
waived
all
the
fees
so
that
that
was
the
main
things.
Otherwise,
the
program
was
largely
the
same.
I
think
we
had
about
27
businesses
take
advantage
of
that
majority,
if
not
all
were
outdoor
dining,
as
dana
had
said
previously,
next
slide
dana.
E
Currently,
what
we're
doing
is
transitioning
those
folks
that
are
in
the
temporary
program
to
our
permanent
program,
which
means
basically,
they
have
to
apply
for
an
encroachment
permit
and
an
outdoor
dining
permit
so
and
there's
fees
associated
with
those
our
dsd
folks,
chris
collins,
who
just
focus,
is
working
with
those
people
that
are
currently
involved
with
asheville
shared
space
and
transitioning
them.
Now
we
took
a
pause,
we
thought
it
was
a
good
time
to
actually
look
at
our
encouragement
standards
and
especially
as
it
pertains
to
outdoor
dining.
E
So
currently,
our
urban
design
working
group
that
was
mentioned
earlier
is
taking
a
look
at
those
standards.
Are
they
correct?
Do
they
need
some
tweaking?
What
is
the
review
process
it?
Could
it
be
better
and
then
what
is
our
fee
structures?
Are
they
correct
and
and
how
do
we
want
to
look
at
those
things,
the
challenges
and
lessons
learned
and
you'll
notice?
A
lot
of
these
challenges
will
be
similar
for
a
number
of
these
initiatives,
but
the
main
thing
is
limited
space,
as
we've
heard
already.
Q
E
Majority
of
our
sidewalks
downtown
are
actually
eight
foot
or
smaller.
Our
unified
development
ordinance
requires
10-foot
sidewalks
in
our
cbd,
our
central
business
district,
but
the
reality
is,
is
most
of
our
existing
streets
and
existing
buildings
do
not
have
10-foot
sidewalks
and,
as
we
all
know,
those
sidewalks
are
not
just
for
walking.
There's
street
trees
there's
trash
receptacles,
there's
bike,
racks,
there's
benches,
so
you
know
an
eight
foot
or
ten
foot.
Sidewalk
really
doesn't
have
eight
or
ten
foot
of
clear
walking
space
at
the
end
of
it.
E
Other
concerns
or
questions
that
we've
looked
at
is
yeah.
I'm
sorry
is
privatization
of
public
space
and
especially
in
this
particular
case,
it's
free
privatization
and
that's
something
that
we're
trying
to
balance,
I
think
and
and
struggling
with
a
little
bit
but
understanding.
When
is
it
good?
What
is
the
right
mix
of
that?
E
Obviously,
if
you
use
it
for
outdoor
dining,
it
can't
be
used
for
some
of
those
other
uses
so
again
getting
down
to
the
balance
of
uses
within
our
public
realm
seating
on
both
sides,
especially
during
covet
we've
had
a
number
of
businesses
that
would
have
dining
adjacent
to
their
storefront,
but
then
would
also
have
them
along
the
street
front.
So
as
a
pedestrian,
you
would
essentially
feel
like
you
would
walk
through
almost
a
dining
area
and
and
with
the
social
distancing
with
with
covet
and
so
forth.
There
were
some
concerns,
but.
E
Just
some
generalized
concerns
is
that
a
comfortable
experience
walking
through
it
is
essentially
a
dining
area.
E
Is
it
appropriate
on
all
streets,
and
I
think,
a
lot
of
that
comes
down
to
the
activity
of
the
street
and
then
the
width
of
the
sidewalks
limited
enforcement.
Again.
This
is
something
you're
going
to
hear,
probably
a
number
of
times,
it's
just
limited
resources
and
enforcement
to
maintain
that
six
foot
of
clear
space
occupancy
limits-
some
of
you
may
not
know,
but
occupancy
limits
for
restaurants
actually
do
include
outdoor
dining
when
this
program
was
initially
started.
That's
when
we
had
reductions
in
occupancy
ratings,
so
it
wasn't
really
an
issue
at
that
time.
E
But
now
it's
something
we're
looking
at
now
that
restaurants
are
back
up
to
allow
for
full
occupancy
and
then
alcohol
sales
and
just
controlling
those
next
slide,
and
these
are
just
some
of
the
images
I
think
mainly.
This
is
just
showing
some
of
the.
I
guess,
concerns
or
struggles
that
we
have
outdoor
dining
is
great,
but
let's
just
say
that,
and
dana
mentioned
a
number
of
reasons
why
it
activates
the
streets.
I,
like
a
lot
of
people,
love
sitting
in
an
outdoor
cafe.
E
You
can
see
in
the
one
in
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
that's
what
we're
talking
about
where
you
have
dining
on
both
sides.
You
can
see
it
in
the
in
the
background
there
use
of
the
space.
How
much
is
good
and
how
much
is
congregation,
as
you
can
see
most
of
our
sidewalks
again,
if
they're
ten
feet,
and
you
need
six
foot
of
clear
space
that
leaves
four
feet.
Basically,.
Q
E
Outdoor
dining
and
most
of
our
sidewalks
and
then
on
eight
foot
sidewalks.
You
essentially
have
two
feet
for
outdoor
dining,
if
there's
not
trees
and
so
forth
in
that
area,
and
then
just
time
of
use
a
number
of
our
restaurants
and
so
forth,
just
aren't
open
during
the
day
during
the
week
all
the
time.
So
it
is
in
an
activated
space,
I
guess
in
those
off
hours
and
how
should
those
spaces
look
and
act
in
those
times
and.
E
B
Let's
go
ahead
and
address
some
of
the
things
that
ended
up
in
the
chat
too,
while
we're,
while
we're
transitioning
to
that
the
first
one
joe
archibald,
says.
I
presume
that
move
to
permanency
involves
adjusting
parking
and
are
you
saying
requirements
or
regulations,
because
requirements
downtown
are.
I
I
was
thinking
on
that
what
chris
was
talking
about
with
the
restaurants
expanding
into
their
own
space.
B
Yep,
okay,
so
yeah
many
times.
Yes,
I
think-
and
I
think
chris
has
already
left,
but
they
are
looking
at
parking
requirements
all
over
the
city,
not
just
in
downtown.
Obviously
downtown
doesn't
have
parking
requirements
except
for
one
use,
but
yes
and
then
of
course,.
B
F
Hey
so
what
was
really
sticking
out
to
me
in
that
presentation
is
how
we
kept
talking
about
six
feet
requirements
on
sidewalks,
and
I
want
us
to
think
about
all
the
public
space,
because
the
hardest
part
of
what
we
are
trying
to
do
collaboratively
is
figure
out
how
to
share.
F
B
M
Yeah,
I
think
that
I
am
so
much
ready
to
hear
after
the
experience
of
the
pandemic
people
talking
about
their
willingness
to
give
up
a
parking
space.
I
think
that
if
we
were
basing
our
decisions
right
now
on,
if
we
had
asked
questions
in
public
space
management
about
how
to
use
parking
pre-covered,
those
answers
would
be
so
out
of
date,
because
we've
had
a
sea
change
in
local
understanding
about
how
to
use
parking,
and
so
I'm
I'm.
M
I
am
really
glad
that
we're
not
that
we
don't
have
to
base
that
on
pre-covered
expectations
about
parking
and
things.
I
think,
because
I've
see
I
have
personally
seen
a
much
a
much
greater
willingness
to
to
treat
parking
as
a
fungible
resource
that
serves
that
can
serve
other
goals.
So
I
I'm
I'm
really,
I
think,
we're
as
a
city
and
as
two
bodies,
and
I
think,
meeting
together
now
are
really
ready
to
have
that
conversation
in
ways
that
we
simply
weren't
before
this
moment.
B
B
And
if
any
of
these
questions
are
really
making,
you
feel
strongly
like?
Oh
my
gosh,
I
wish
I
could
defend
my
answer.
Please
write
down
what
question
it
is
and
what
your
answer
was
so
that
we
we
want
to
know
what
those
ones
were.
That's
that
that
really
kind
of
made
you
feel
strong
and
passionate
about
this.
B
Q
B
R
So
who,
if
people
had
strong
feelings
as
steph,
asked
about
any
particular
questions
that
we'd
asked
and
want
to
kind
of
chime
in
a
little
bit?
I
think
now's
a
time
to
hit
some
of
those
highlights.
Ruth.
K
K
It
was
especially
with
the
last
question
when
you
said:
should
everything
be
removed
when
the
restaurant
is
closed,
the
biggest
problem
is
a
restaurant
if
they
have
a
parklet,
they've
gone
out
and
they've
purchased,
most
likely
they've
purchased,
new
furniture,
they've
bought
heating
units
whatever
and
the
restaurant
isn't
going
to
be
large
enough
to
store
all
of
that,
and
I
think
it
puts
a
burden
on
the
restaurant
that
they
have
to
remove
everything
off
the
street.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment.
B
M
Yeah,
I'd
just
like
to
note
that
some
of
these
questions
are
it
depends,
and
I
think,
if
you
look
at
our
survey,
results
with
all
the
competing
possible
entrance
interest,
they're,
not
all
competing
a
lot
of
them
actually
only
work
with
others,
so,
for
instance,
busking
when
you
get
busking
paired
correctly
with
the
right
outdoor
dining
experience.
M
Those
two
things
are
really
you:
they
need
to
be
together
to
work,
and
so
there's
there.
These
things
are
not
always
in
opposition.
Sometimes
one
needs
the
other,
but
I
I
would
say
one
thing
about:
if
we're
going
to
be
using
we're
going
to
be
privatizing
public
space,
there
has
to
be
a
public
benefit
to
it.
If
the
only
benefit
that
can
be
identified
from
privatizing
public
space
is
to
that
particular
business,
then
I
think
that
that
is
not
an
appropriate
use.
M
So
there
has
to
be
some
shared
success
when
we're.
When
we
make
the
decision
to
privatize
something
that
belongs
to
the
public,
we
have
to
make
sure
that
there's
shared
success
and
it's
not
just
it's
not
just
a
handout
to
one
particular
business.
T
I
do
so.
I
was
really
intrigued
by
the
responses
to
the
question
about,
if
should
a
business
be
allowed
to
have
sidewalk
dining
and
a
parklet
and
we'll
talk
about
parklets
in
a
second
but
but
kind
of
going
along
the
same
lines
as
andrew
with
privatization
of
public
space,
interesting
that
so
many
of
you
said
yes
very
quickly
that
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
concern
that
they're
they're
taking
more
and
more
space
parking
and
sidewalk.
J
I
I
can
just
speak
for
myself
and
a
lot
of
these
times.
It
just
depends
on
what,
where
they
are
and
what
they're
doing
so
downstairs
here
on
church
street.
Do
they
have
room
for
a
couple
little
tables
and
then
they
need
to
need
a
little
parklet.
J
Possibly
you
know
smoky
mountain
brewery
brewery
might
need
so
it
really
depends
on
the
site
conditions
on
the
sidewalk.
You
know
if
they
have
room
for
just
a
couple.
Little
two
tops
on
the
sidewalk,
but
then
they
have
a
couple,
a
little
parklet.
That's
you
can
walk
between
and
get
to
and
and
they've
got
some
four
tops,
so
it
some
sometimes
it
would
just
really
depend
on.
We.
We
have
so
many
little
nooks
and
crannies
and
niches
in
asheville.
J
That
I
think
you
know
I'm
saying:
oh
you
can't
have
both
would
be
you'd,
be.
That
would
be
unwise.
C
I
think
to
the
the
way
the
parkland
used
is
important,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
the
parklet
makes
the
street
more
inviting
because
the
way
the
pilot's
used
it
does
not
just
pack
the
seats,
but
it's
packed
with
some
kind
of
environmental
conditions
that
make
it
feel
more
comfortable
to
walk
on
the
street
then
or
walk
through
the
parking
yeah.
Let's
walk
through
the
time
walk
area
there.
C
That
could
be
something
with
much
more
value
than
just
having
the
tables
cram
down
the
sidewalk,
and
I
have
just
a
six
foot
of
space
navy
too.
So,
if
it's
it
kind
of
has
to
be
evaluated,
I
think,
in
order
to
see
how
best
it
can
be
used,
but
in
many
cases
I
think
the
more
we
can
make
the
whole
area
comfortable,
the
better
and
sometimes
that
would
be
having
both
the
parkway
and
the
sidewalk
dining
being
used.
B
D
Yeah,
I
would
just
say
that
if,
if
we're
not
going
to
open
up
the
street
to
a
lot
of
pedestrians
to
spill
into
the
street,
then
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
have
a
private
business
take
over
the
sidewalk
and
and
a
parking
space.
D
A
I
I
think,
the
more
you
can
get
people
using
the
street
as
a
parklet,
whether
they're,
dining
or
sitting
or
having
an
a
comfortable
experience
and
they're,
not
next
walking
along
a
car
parked.
I
think
it's
great,
I
would
say
use
every
space
you
can
in
pushing
out
into
the
street
sounds
like
a
great
idea
to
me:
you've
you've
taken
over
that
space
from
the
cars
for
people
and
whether
it
chooses
a
parklet
or
the
restaurant.
Q
U
I'd
like
to
speak
in
in
favor
of
what
patricia
just
mentioned,
and
several
others
in
that.
I
think
that
maybe
there's
a
limit
on
the
number
of
spaces
I
guess
of
now
it
may
be
two,
but
I
think
that
walking
between
as
a
pedestrian
walking
between
outdoor
dining
on
both
sides
is
actually
really
nice,
and
you
know
if
we
lose
two
parking
spaces,
I
mean
we've
lost
two
parking
spaces
and
but
I
think
that
the
benefit
of
citizens
and
visitors,
but
seeing
people
outside
enjoying
being
in
town,
is
much
better.
T
Yeah,
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
transition,
so
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
parklets
specifically,
but
we
obviously
see
how
all
of
these
things
relate
and
bleed
into
each
other.
So
we
put
in
place
this
temporary
parklet
program
as
part
of
the
asheville
shared
space
and
and
really
in
response
to
cobid,
although
parklets
and
and
streeteries,
which
a
lot
of
people
call
them
when
they're
specific
to
outdoor
dining
is
something
that
a
lot
of
cities
have
been
doing
for
quite
some
time
but
hadn't
yet
hit
asheville.
T
So
we
rolled
this
out
relatively
quickly
looking
at
standards
that
those
other
cities
that
came
before
us
had
put
in
place
and
used
those
as
some
guidelines
for
our
own
program
here
and
generally
speaking,
the
parklets
that
you
see
in
downtown
right
now
are
between
one
and
three
spaces
and
typically
right
in
front
of
the
storefront
and
but
some
folks
did
use
them
for
other
things.
Besides
outdoor
dining,
there
was
some
opportunity
for
for
cueing.
T
We
saw
a
lot
of
that,
especially
early
in
the
pandemic
and
merchandise
and
or
other
programming
was
also
allowed.
But
we
didn't
really
see
that
use.
T
We
did
have
options
for
elevated
parklets
or
an
at-grade
parklet,
so
the
the
parklets
that
you
see
in
those
two
bottom
left
corners.
Those
are
considered
to
be
at
grade,
so
they
I'm
sorry.
The
one
on
the
bottom
left
corner
is
an
at-grade,
so
it's
in
the
street,
it's
not
at
grade
with
the
sidewalk,
whereas
I
think
the
one
in
the
second
picture
from
the
left
is
at
grade,
but
I
could
be
wrong,
so
I
mean
elevated.
T
So
an
elevated
parklet
is
typically
more
robust
in
terms
of
a
structure
that
someone
has
built
a
platform
that
makes
it
level
with
the
sidewalk,
so
there's
a
little
more
expense,
a
little
more
time
that
goes
into
it,
and
it's
obviously
more
difficult
to
move.
If
needed,
we
did
not
have
any
parklets
on
dot
streets
because
d.o.t
does
not
allow
it.
T
T
So
right
now
we
are
allowing
existing
parklets
to
remain
through
june
of
next
year
and
where
we
want
to
go
with
this
is
to
seek
funding
through
the
budget
process
to
develop
a
more
long-term
permanent
program,
because
we,
you
know,
don't
really
want
to
fly
by
the
seat
of
our
pants
anymore,
not
that
we
have
been
completely,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we
do
implement
a
permanent
program
that
we
have
some
more
resources
in
place
to
to
make
sure
that
they
meet
the
rules
and
the
regulations
and
that
they
are,
you
know
well
built
88,
ada,
accessible,
etc,
and
that
there's
enforcement
in
place
just
in
case
things,
get
a
little
messy,
so
challenges
and
lessons
learned
similar
many
of
them
to
what
we
learned
with
with
outdoor
diving,
ada
accessibility
is
definitely
one
of
the
biggest
issues.
T
T
Another
thing
that
is
a
big
question
for
us
is:
what
happens
if
the
business
isn't
open?
Do
we
let
this
thing
stay
there
in
the
street
and
just
be
empty,
or
should
there
be
some
other
requirement
for
that?
Another
thing
that
is
can
cause.
Some
issues
is
what,
if
the
parking
spaces,
don't
really
line
up
with
the
business
frontage.
T
So
what
if
they've
got
a
bulb
out
and
a
tree
in
front
of
their
business
and
no
actual
parking
space
right
in
front
of
their
business?
So
how
do
they?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
treat
them?
Do
they
get
a
parking
space,
even
though
it
might
not
be
in
their
in
their
frontage?
T
And
then,
as
as
everyone's
mentioned,
you
know,
there's
multiple
departments
that
are
involved
in
this.
It's
not
like
somebody
just
submits
an
application
and
they
put
a
bunch
of
tables
out,
particularly
in
the
winter.
We
had
a
lot
of
folks
that
wanted
to
do
heaters,
there's
still
requirements
for
fire
and
occupancy
and
transportation
safety.
In
particular,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
gets
put
in
the
street
is
going
to
be
safe
for
the
folks
that
might
be
using
that
parklet.
T
T
T
The
top
left
picture
shows
the
storage
issue
that
ruth
was
speaking
to
so
they've
got
to
store
things
somewhere,
but
they
most
likely
are
not
going
to
have
room
inside
their
business
to
do
that,
and
then
the
empty
parklets
that
you
see
outside
of
green
man-
and
I
think
that's
the
fault,
maybe
and
then
another
thing
that
we
we
were
dealing
with
and
trying
to
figure
out
is
the
tents
and
and
the
blockage
of
visibility.
T
T
B
Yeah
they're
coming
up
generally
yeah,
so
this
one,
a
lot
of
people
already
got
to
generally
speaking,
should
public
parking
spaces
be
able
to
be
privatized
for
dinery
dining,
a
dinery
is
what
I'm
going
to
call
it
now.
B
T
Let
me
answer
joe's
question
real
quick,
so
when
we
say
that
when
we
say
a
difference
between
a
parklet
and
a
streetery,
so
a
parklet
was
originally,
I
guess,
invented
if
you
will
as
a
public
park,
at
least
in
the
united
states
the
concept-
I
guess
so
an
area
for
the
public
that
a
business
is
not
privately
benefiting
from.
So
anybody
could
sit
in
the
parklet
and
read
a
book
or
play
chess
or
whatever,
whereas
a
streetery
is
typically
a
private,
privately
managed
space
that
a
business
benefits
from
and
going
to
dane's
question.
T
So
the
center
for
craft
does
have
approval
from
d.o.t
for
a
parklet.
I
should
have
been
more
specific.
The
the
state
does
not
allow
outdoor
dining
next
to
a
travel
lane,
so
they
would
not
allow
an
outdoor
dining
cafe
or
a
streetery,
but
they
did
allow
parklets.
It
was
a
weird
nuance
in
the
state
statute.
R
Maggie
to
your
question
point-
maybe
I'm
misunderstanding,
but
also
just
to
build
on
what
jessica
said
where,
where
we've
seen
parklets,
I
think
in
other
cities
a
business
might
benefit,
but
the
space
isn't
commercialized.
So
generally,
a
space
would
still
be
managed
and
maintained
by
a
private
business,
not
necessarily
by
the
city.
Maybe
in
some
cases
it's
sponsored
by
the
city
but
say
there's
a
coffee
shop
and
folks
who
get
coffee
in
paper.
R
F
Fully
it
almost
sounds
like
you're
saying
like
public
or
private
like
if
I'm
maggie
brewery-
and
I
want
a
streetery
and
randy-
wants
to
come
sit
down.
I
might
be
able
to
say
no,
that's
seating
for
my
restaurant,
but
if
I'm
a
coffee
shop
it's
public
use,
so
maybe
that
distinction
might
help
because
I
think
we're
sifting
into
a
breakdown
that
was
just
unclear
of
like
is
this
generally
public
access?
Then
I
would
have
answered
that
question
differently.
B
So
I
think
it
is
important
for
staff-
and
I
don't
need
to
answer
this,
but
to
explain
to
be
specific
about
the
parklets
that
we
we
have
in
downtown
asheville
right
now.
So,
for
instance,
there
is
one
parklet
that,
hopefully
you
all
have
seen
the
city
partnered
with
the
aia
to
do
parking
day
last
year
and
one
of
the
parklets
is
basically
a
it
is
a
public
parklet
on
market
street
and
the
center
for
crafts.
B
R
T
In
a
public
parklet,
you
can't
tell
someone
they
have
to
leave.
It's
basically
like
the
sidewalk
at
that
point,
so
in
a
in
a
streetery
or
an
outdoor
dining,
the
idea
is
that
that
is
that
has
been
privatized
space
and
that
a
restaurant
or
business
can,
if
they're,
if
you're
not
there
to
be
a
patron,
then
you
can
be
asked
to
leave
that's
kind
of
a
big
distinction
between
the
two.
E
Yeah
and
to
build
off
a
thanks
dust
question
currently
what's
out
there
today
are:
they
are
not
publicly
accessible
parklist,
with
the
exception
of
the
one
on
market
street,
so
it
is
for
the
use
of
the
business
now
mind
you.
This
was
a
coveted
response
program
that
we're
looking
at
trying
to,
and
that's
why
these
answers
and
discussion,
I
think,
is,
is
very
important.
E
You
know,
should
they
be
publicly
accessible
when
not
in
use
by
a
restaurant,
currently,
the
way
that
the
temporary
ones
are
on
the
street
today
are
not
publicly
accessible,
they
are.
They
are
basically
controlled
and
used
by
the
entity
in
in
which
applied
for
that
parklet
and
again
it
was.
It
was
a
covet
response.
So
there's
you
know
a
little
bit
different
rationales
behind
doing
that,
but
I
think
that
is-
and
there
are
municipalities
that
there
have
hybrids,
I
think,
to
andrew's
point
some
other
people's
point.
E
Cities
like
san
francisco
allow
for
streeters,
but
they
have
to
be
publicly
accessible
in
the
times
in
which
the
restaurant
is
not
using
those
parklets
and
then
there's
other
municipalities
where
straighteries
are
basically
private
spaces
to
the
patrons
of
that
business,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
use
that
as
we
move
forward
and
look
at
our
permanent
standards.
What
should
that
look
like
and
what
should
the
balance
be?
E
B
B
Dean
noted
that
what
we're
talking
about
that
it
has
to
things
have
to
be
removable
in
order,
I'm
not
sure
dating
what
you're
saying
there.
I
guess
in
order
for
it
to
not
be
used
by
the
public,
because
that
is
a
question.
As
we've
said:
hey,
if
you
have
tables
and
chairs
out
there,
why
not
just
leave
them
out
there
for
the
public
during
the
day,
if
you're
not
open,
is
dane,
can
you
elaborate
on
your
comment.
L
Yeah
I
was
specifically
talking
about
the
center
for
craft
parklet,
right
so
on
a
on
a
dot
street.
They
require
that
it
has
to
be
removable,
so
that
was
part
of
the
design
consideration
when
they
did
that
parklet
or
when
they
are
doing
that
partly
currently
is
it
has
to
be
easily
removable
for
maintenance.
B
Thank
you
michael
noted
that
in
many
cities
around
the
world,
the
city
often
installs
sunshades
above
entire
streets,
to
keep
them
cool
in
the
summer,
and
this
can
minimize
the
need
for
tents.
Joe
commented
that
I
think
that
becomes
when
the
business
is
open
and
when
it's
not
back
to
the
public
benefit.
Andrew
mentioned
earlier
and
maggie
said,
I
like
reverting
to
public
use
when
bison
isn't
open
and
dane,
says
d.o.t
requires
that,
so
we
have
a
hands
up.
Andrew
is
first.
M
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
take
a
stab
at
establishing
a
possible
criteria
and
that,
if,
if
you
are
going
to
be
maintaining
for
commercial
and
exclusive
use
a
public
space,
you
may
need
to
do
that
for
hospitality
and
or
legal
reasons
serving
alcohol.
For
instance,
you
may
have
to
maintain
a
legal
and
of
a
an
exclusive
space
where
customers
are
are
not
allowed
or
sorry.
M
Non-Customers
are
not
allowed,
but
at
the
when
the
business
is
closed,
I
think
that
it
should
revert
to
public
space
absolutely,
and
that
is
part
of
what
could
be
determined
as
a
public
benefit,
and
it
has.
It
should
be
ready
for
public
use.
M
After
that,
which
may
mean,
if
not
full
clearance
of
some
items
there
at
least
so
it
should
be
ready
for
public
use,
but
I
I
think,
if
the
as
far
as
where
fees
should
should
come
in,
I
think
if
you
are
going
to
maintain
an
exclusive
environment
for
just
your
customers
in
what
was
formerly
public
space,
then
absolutely
there
should
be
fees
involved
and
the
focus
should
always
be
on
establishing
a
public
benefit
from
public
space.
O
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
was
almost
going
to
verbatim
repeat
what
he
just
said.
I
would
imagine
that
there
probably
should
just
be
a
different
fee
structure
for
for
the
usage.
So
if
you're
going
to
exclusively
use
the
space
for
private
private
business,
it's
like
you
know,
80
of
the
time
it's
it's
for
private
business,
then
you're
gonna,
I
would
imagine,
pay
a
different
fee
than
if
you're,
only
using
it
half
the
time
or
a
quarter
of
the
time
or
something
like
that.
Q
D
I'm
definitely
on
board
for
the
idea
that,
when
it's
not
being
used
for
private
business,
that
should
by
default
be
opened
up
to
the
to
the
public
and
then
the
other
thought
I
had
was
there's
a
few
of
these
around
town
and
my
wife
and
I
are
often
walk
downtown.
We
have
a
cup
of
coffee,
we've
got
our
kid
in
the
stroller
and
we
think
oh
well.
Maybe
we
could,
you
know,
have
our
coffee
here,
but
we
we're
it's
not
clear,
so
it'd
be
nice
to
have
really
really
good
signage,
to
explain.
O
J
To
address
the
the
issue
that
how
opaque
should
the
thing
be?
If
it's
got,
if
it's
got
walls
on
it,
then
it's
a
building
and
it's
not
a
parklet.
It's
not
an
eatery
and
we're
not
doing
architecture
out
in
the
public
space.
Q
P
M
P
Going
to
last
that
long,
if
they're
allowed
to
become
public
in
in
you
know
when
they're
when
they're
closed
up,
so
I
think
some
kind
of
standard
for
durability
or
be
able
to
you
know
something
to
consider,
because
I
don't
we
all
we
if
we
want
to
encourage
it,
and
people
want
to
use
flimsy
little
chairs,
there's
also
a
safety
issue
involved.
You
know
those
are
things
that
have
to
be
considered,
as
part
of
you
know,
sort
of
the
design
of
these
things.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
it.
S
P
B
Okay,
patricia:
let's
get
your
comment
in
and
then
we're
going
to
go
back
to
questions.
A
Just
real
quick
places
like
brent
in
new
york
city
in
times
squares
where
they
have
painted
streets
and
turned
them
into
parklets.
There
is
a
standard
like
I
call
it
a
bryant
park,
furniture
style,
that's
very
light
very
movable,
and
that
could
be
the
standard
for
any
of
the
public
parklets
and
it
would
become
the
vocabulary
that
those
are
public
places
to
sit
and
those
they're
very
movable.
They
could
end
up
in
another
parkland,
but
it
would
be
the
standard
for
this.
N
I
did
and
then
I
took
it
down,
but
I
was
just.
I
was
going
to
speak
to
the
fact
that
if
they're
really
light
and
movable,
then
how
does
a
restaurant
guarantee
that
they're
going
to
be
there
when
they
open
the
next
day?
That
seems
problematic
to
me.
If
I
were
running
a
business,
I
would
want
to
make
sure
my
tables
were
there.
B
All
right,
so
we
are
50
50
on,
should
there
be
a
cap
on
how
many
per
park
parklets
or
streeters
are
allowed
on
a
street.
So
ruth
we're
going
to
hear
from
you
and
then
I'm
going
to
ask
somebody
else
to
chime
in
on
this
question
over
here
that
we
are
divided
on
ruth.
K
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
basically
basing
this
on
outdoor
dining
at
the
grove
arcade,
but
usually
a
restaurant.
If
they're
going
to
have
outside
dining
they're
going
to
invest
in
some
pretty
substantial
furniture
and
most
people
chain
that
furniture
at
night
they
chain
it
together
through
the
legs
and
the
table,
so
it
can't
be
stolen.
K
I
think
I
think
we're
all
mixing
up
what
had
to
be
done
because
of
covid
and
all
of
the
picnic
tables
that
we
have
everywhere,
and
you
know
I
would
hope
if
we
go
forward
that
maybe
we
look
at
some
kind
of
you
know,
furniture
guidelines
for
restaurants
that
are
going
to
have
continue
to
use
parklets.
If
that's
what
we
decide
to
do,
but
you
know
most
restaurants
are
going
to
be
pretty
responsible
because
it's
it's
their
image,
it's
their
business.
B
B
B
How
big
should
these
be,
how
many
parking
spaces
up
to
two
spaces
per
business
up
to
three
spaces
per
business
or
parklet,
or
should
they
only
be
allowed
to
use
a
parking,
that's
directly
adjacent
to
the
business
frontage?
Obviously
you
can
see
where
we're
going
here
with
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
experienced.
Q
B
Going
back
to
what
dana
said
earlier
is
that
basically
you
know
we.
We
had
anticipated
the
beginning
of
this,
that
perhaps
people
were
going
to
be
innovative
and
start
using
parklets
for
other
uses,
or
we
would
see
you
know
kind
of
innovative
vending,
but
we
really
saw
this
associated
with
dining,
and
so
we
had
a
lot
of
different
types
of
streets
where
some
people
weren't
going
to
do
it
at
all.
B
Some
people
really
wanted
to
do
it,
but
if
we
were
just
going
to
allow
them
to
do
it
adjacent
to
their
business
frontage,
they
will
only
get
one
space
and
the
way
our
standards
run.
You
really
can't
build
a
parklet
in
one
space.
So
that's
something
to
consider
and
maggie's
gonna
give
us
a
comment
or
question.
F
Me
now
yeah,
I'm
having
a
mute
issue.
My
first
thought
was
like
it
makes
sense
to
do
it
directly
in
front
of
their
business.
F
It
definitely
doesn't
make
sense
to
creep
onto
my
neighbor's
storefront,
but
I
ended
up
telling
up
to
two
or
three
spaces,
because
if
I'm
a
small
business-
and
it's
hard
enough
for
me
to
get
storefront
like,
I
guess,
if
we
allow
it
to
be
correlated
to
their
existing
business,
storefront
that
rewards
our
bigger
businesses
and
our
folks
who
are
able
to
like
already
have
a
lot
of
resource
and
that
for
our
smaller
businesses,
it
would
kind
of
give
them
less
storefront,
and
so
that
feels
like
a
little
bit
unfair.
B
I
It's
interesting,
I'm
sitting
here
kind
of
pondering
what
what
maggie
just
said,
because
I
responded
you
know
only
adjacent
to
business
frontage
thinking.
I
think
one
of
those
images
you
showed,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
was
a
place
downtown.
That
actually
is
on
a
corner,
so
it
would
seem
like
if
you're
on
a
corner
you
could
have
if
you're
a
directly
adjacent.
It
depends
upon
what
frontage
you
want
to
say,
but
if
you
can
choose
a
frontage,
let's
call
it,
you
could
have
one
space
or
you
could
have
three
spaces.
I
I
do
think
maggie
has
hit
on
something,
though,
as
far
as
what
would
be
equitable.
So
if
a
business
only
has
one
space,
is
it
that
it's
directly
adjacent
to
business
frontage
minimum
of
two
like?
Is
there
some
variability?
If
that
makes
sense,.
B
D
Q
D
Just
making
the
assumption
that
this
space
belongs
to
that
particular
business.
That
might
not
be
a
great
concept.
It's
just
food
for
thought.
Q
P
On
that
too,
I
I
can
see
where,
if
part
of
the
process
would
be
if
to
to
offer
or
have
them
open
so,
but
if,
if
there's
there's
no
other
comp
competition
for
those
spaces
and
if
some
someone
wants
to
take
care
of
those
spaces
and
manage
those
spaces,
I
would
say:
let
them
have
up
to
three.
Why
not?
I
could
see
instances
where
that
could
be
a
benefit
to
to
the
public.
B
M
So
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
confluence
of
successes
that
can
be
achieved,
and
so
I
mean
let's
say
that
you
are
owned:
a
retail
shop
next
to
a
next
to
a
a
lunch
spot.
M
It
might
be
really
nice
if
you
had
a
bunch
of
customers
looking
in
your
window
for
the
duration
of
their
lunch.
That
might
be
a
shared
success
between
those
two
and
I'd
hate
to
write
a
rule
that
boxes
out
that
type
of
thing.
So
that's
that's
why
I
chose
up
to
three
spaces
per
business
because
I
think
there's
more
chances
for
shared
success
in
those
places.
M
I
will,
I
think,
I'm
going
to
highlight
something
that
I
think
identifies
a
problem
with
one
of
the
particular
aspect
of
the
problem
with
one
of
our
problem
locations
for
that
we
showed
earlier,
and
that
is
the
the
the
eatery
the
streetery
is
not
does
not
face
the
main
ingress
and
egress
way
of
that
restaurant,
and
so
I
I
think
that
it.
M
I
think
that
that
we
should
we
should
maintain
like
it
has
to
be
a
to
the
kind
of
to
the
front
of
the
business
or
has
to
face
a
main
ingress
and
egress
way
to
that
business.
I
think
that's
kind
of
why
we
have
that
alienated
spot.
That
doesn't
feel
like
it's
connected
to
the
rest
of
the
the
streetscape
and
the
business.
R
Tina,
I
maybe
we'll
continue
with
the
questions,
but
I
feel
like
I've
heard
so
many
themes,
and
I
want
to
touch
on
the
question
that
andrew
had
initially
asked
about
the
parklets
that
had
decided
to
discontinue
most
of
those
actually
are
on
banks
avenue,
there's
no
longer
any
in
place
there.
We
had
come
in
proactively
and
and
helped
them
get
set
up
and
the
feedback
we
heard
we
didn't
hear
from
each
individual
business
or
manager,
but
it's
about
maintenance
of
materials.
R
It
was
about
conflicts
with
neighbors
and
I
and
where
we
also
had
parklets
dismantled.
I
know
that
that
conflicts
with
neighbors
was
an
issue.
We
have
heard
some
feedback
from
retailers
that
they
frontage
invisibility
is
really
important
for
any
business,
but
I
know
for
retail
businesses
and
and
if
another
business
is
blocking,
that
we've
heard
some
negative
comments
on
that
staffing.
R
Staffing
has
been
a
challenge,
I
think
less
so
for
the
restaurants,
but
we've
definitely
heard
from
the
retailers
but
yeah
those
who
have
discontinued
the
themes
and
the
feedback
we
heard
was
about
maintenance
and
and
management
of
the
street
generally,
where
I
think
what
we
heard
is.
There
would
be
support
if
there
was
a
long-term
design
and
configuration
and
construction
that
supported
that.
But
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
with
keeping
up
the
configuration
short
term
and
the
cost
of
that
which
is
real
for
those
businesses.
B
B
B
B
Yeah
I
want
I
want
to
hear
some
of
this
yeah.
We
had
one
on
church
street.
We
did
have
one
on
church
street
and
we
also
for
folks
who
don't
know
have
a
lot
of
interest
from
from
a
group
on
that
street,
a
shared
neighborhood
group
to
actually
turn
that
into
a
pedestrian
first
shared
street.
At
some
point,.
B
Yeah
decisions
should
be
more
granular
site
specific.
That's
exactly
why
we're
asking
it's
it's.
This
is
one
of
those
tasks
where
we
would
basically
need
to
go
through
all
of
the
cbd
and
determine
where
it
might
not
be
appropriate.
Based
on
some
of
these
comments
here,
sidewalk
narrow.
R
I
What
the
comment
you
just
made
stephanie
was
kind
of
why
I
put
it.
As
you
know,
those
things
need
to
be
taken
into
account
if
you've
got
a
really.
You
know
the
instance
I
put.
If
you
have
a
really
narrow
sidewalk,
it
doesn't
mean
that
you
shouldn't
be
able
to
have
a
parklet
or
a
streetery.
It's
just
that
you
need
to
a
lot
like
that's
a
location
where
you
couldn't
also
have
something
on
the
sidewalk.
You
need
to
allow
for
better
pedestrian,
or
at
least
not
limiting
any
further
the
pedestrian
movement
through
there.
M
Yeah
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
mean
I
know
it's
staff
work
to
do
side
by
side,
but
it'd
also
be
a
lot
of
staff
work
to
go
to
do
a
city
wide
to
like
look
at
all
these
different
streets
and
how
a
street
changes
drastically
from
one
place
to
another.
You've
got
places
where
a
new
development
has
put
in
a
10-foot
sidewalk
and
then
just
down
the
way,
there's
that
same
street
as
a
as
a
foot
sidewalk.
M
So
I
think
that
I
think
that
what
we're
doing
here
establishing
some
criteria
is,
we
should
make
the
criteria
paramount
over
a
sort
of
blanket
approach
to
certain
streets
if
the
criteria,
if
the
criteria
makes
sense
that
we've
established
here.
I
think
these
are
well
thought
out
and
pulling
a
map
out
and
saying
this
good.
This
bad
is
probably
not
the
wider
poach.
We'd
miss
a
lot
of
opportunities.
B
A
couple
comments
coming
in
places
like
long
waiting
lines
already
forcing
pedestrians
into
traffic
lanes
like
old
europe.
Yup
we've
seen
that
in
a
lot
of
places-
and
then
sage
says
winter
always
reminds
me
of
the
areas
that
make
for
great
public
space
that
we
can't
see
until
it
snows
and
shows
what's
not
driven
through.
B
H
Great
thanks,
I
got
bumped
out
for
a
little
while
back
maybe
a
half
hour
so
ago.
So
I
apologize
if
this
was
already
covered,
but
I
was
curious
to
hear
from
you
all
about
the
perception
from
emergency
response
and
if
there's
been
any
sort
of
issue
or
any
criteria
that
we
might
need
to
consider
regarding
emergency
response
vehicles,.
T
I
can
try
david
might
need
to
back
me
up
on
the
specifics,
but
I
would
say
fire,
but
not
not
so
much
in
the
response,
it's
more
along
the
lines
of
we
can't
have
something
in
front
of
a
fdc
which
is
a
fire
department,
connection
which,
if
you
think,
if
you've,
never
seen
one
of
those
they're
on
buildings
all
over
the
place
and
it's
basically
where
they
hook
up
the
hose,
I
think
to
the
building
to
get
water
in
the
event
of
a
fire.
T
So
those
that's
and
obviously
fire
hydrants
is
another
thing
and
those
are
all
over
the
place
and
and
will
be
a
very
significant
constraint,
moving
forward
and
then
there's
another
requirement
that
I
can't
remember
exactly.
T
About
separation
between
parklet
for
access
for
fire
and
intense
also
they
wanted
separation.
I
want
to
say
of
a
five
feet,
I
think
between
tenths,
so
that's
another
another
constraint
and
then,
in
terms
of
access,
the
lane
width
was
also
a
constraint
with
fire.
T
Maintaining
I
think
a
minimum
of
14
feet
was
what
we
kind
of
landed
on
with
them.
So,
for
example,
on
on
south
market
street,
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
about
about
maintaining
a
certain
width
as
well
as
wall
street,
so
yeah,
all
of
those
weigh
in
and
fire
was
a
huge
part
and
continues
to
still
be
part
of
the
review
process
for
all
these.
T
B
The
fire
department
also
knows
very
well
where
they
have
to
fight
fires
for
certain
buildings,
so
we
had
some.
We
had
some
considerations
on
wall
street
that
were
really
important
to
make
to
be
able
to
access
buildings
that
couldn't
be
accessed
from
patent,
but
yeah.
It's
it's
a
huge
part
and
I'll.
Just
look
at
the
comments.
Real,
quick
and
say
ben
woody.
Our
development
services
director
chimed
in
that
the
fire
marshal's
office
participated
with
the
core
staff
group
and
developing
any
of
our
program
and
meeting
on
a
regular
basis.
B
So
andrew
fletcher's
question
is:
what's
the
difference
between
have
a
parked
car
in
the
way
of
an
f,
it's
ftc
versus
a
parklet
or
streetery,
and
I
don't
think
there
is
one
is
that
correct,
jessica
don't
allow
we.
These
are
usually
areas
that
are
marked
like
when
you
see
the
little
red
lines,
marked
kind
of
you
can't
get
in
front
of
an
ftc
or
a
and
the
other
thing.
R
B
R
My
understanding
and
the
fire
department
there's
a
lot
of
fdc's.
Now
some
of
them
are
marked
some
aren't,
but
we're
heading
in
the
direction
of
making
sure
that
those
spaces
are
clear.
B
Absolutely
so
the
question
was:
should
we
require
that
parklets
or
streets
be
open
to
the
public
during
times
when
the
business
isn't
open?
And
after
a
lot
of
discussion
it
looks
like
the
majority
of
you
are
saying?
Yes,
some
are
saying:
no,
what
features
or
characteristics
do
you
think
should
be
part
of
a
shared
street,
so
you
get
to
fill
in
three
there.
B
Not
yet
not
yet.
Oh
we
didn't
do
shared
streets,
I'm
just
reading
them
jessica.
This
is
gonna,
be
you
who's,
gonna
yeah.
I
think
so.
Fantastic.
T
I
think
so
yeah
so
shared
street,
so
we
we
did
do
a
few,
not
as
many
as
I
think
some
of
my
folks
on
the
multi-modal
wanted
to
see,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
coordinating
very
closely
with
businesses
during
this
time
because
again,
going
back
to
our
guidelines
and
our
guiding
principles
when
we
first
put
all
this
stuff
together
was
really
related
to
covid.
T
In
some
cases
we
reduced
the
vehicular
travel
lane
or
rerouted,
and
again
we
put
in
some
pedestrian
priority
zone
signage.
So
we
had
several
several
examples:
south
market
we
had
some
a
shared
street,
we
had
one
on,
was
it
buxton
or
banks,
or
both?
I
guess
it
was
both
and
then
of
course,
wall
street,
which
is
probably
the
one
street
downtown
that
is
already
conducive
to
that
kind
of
treatment.
T
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
learn
which
andrew
touched
on
earlier,
is
that
I
do
think
there's
been
a
sea
change
in
the
thought
of
in
some
of
the
business
owners
perspective
about
the
value
of
the
parking
on
the
street
in
front
of
their
business
and
wall
street
is
a
perfect
example
of
that
dana
can
attest
to
the
years
and
years
and
years
of
conversations
with
wall,
street
businesses,
about
the
parking
on
wall
street
and
and
could
we
get
rid
of
it
and
in
pre-covered
times
it
was
very,
very
split,
and
I
think
most
of
them
did
not
want
to
lose
that
parking
and
that's
changed
that
that
sentiment
has
changed
and
we
are
implementing
in
cooperation
with
the
wall.
T
Street
owners
a
longer
term
long
term
shared
street
there
and
they
are
putting
their
wallets
behind
it
and
they're
investing
in
the
furnishings
and
fencing.
If
you
will
to
make
that
both
aesthetically
pleasing,
but
also
safe
and
durable,
and
so
I
think,
you're
right
andrew
that
there's
there's
some
differences
between
now
and
then,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
us
are
seeing
that
challenges
and
lessons
learned
again,
staff
time
and
resources
to
design,
coordinate
and
manage
with
the
shared
streets.
T
In
particular,
we
have
to
be
very
careful
about
about
how
we
implement
them
and
making
sure
that
we
don't
do
do
any
businesses
any
damage,
especially
during
this
time,
similar
to
to
parklets
or
straighteries
activation,
is
important.
So,
generally
speaking,
a
shared
street,
you
want
to
have
active
uses,
you
want
it
to
be
vibrant,
you
don't
really
just
want
it
to
be
empty
all
the
time,
so
that
takes
a
lot
of
intentionality
and
consideration.
T
Design
considerations
and
engagement
with
those
business
owners
delivering
city
services
becomes
more
of
a
challenge
here,
as
well
as
fire
access
and
and
again.
The
changing
needs
of
the
businesses
and
the
community
throughout
the
week
or
during
off
hours,
has
an
impact
on
that
and,
of
course,
enforcement
is
something
for
all
of
these
that
we
struggle
with.
T
So
these
pictures-
none
of
them-
are
here
in
asheville,
but
what
we
were
trying
to
show
is
that
there
is
a
a
spectrum,
if
you
will
of
what
I
think,
if
each
of,
if
each
of
you
were
to
say
what
you
think
a
shared
street
is,
you
probably
would
all
have
slightly
different
answers,
and
so
there's
a
vast
spectrum
of
what
a
shared
street
could
be
or
look
like
how
shared?
Is
it
that's
kind
of
the
question?
So
that's
just
you
know
something
that
we
wanted
to
throw
out
there.
T
B
I
R
R
Q
R
B
B
So
interesting
with
walnut,
and
I'm
wondering
if
people,
because
it's
so
steep
on
I'd,
say
the
majority
of
it
or
people
are
just
really
talking
about
this-
is
that
gets
to
this
definition
of
like?
What
do
you
mean
about
by
shared
street.
B
M
I'd
I
just
keep
on
thinking
more
of
more
after
I
click
submit
commerce,
street
aston
street,
potentially
so
many
little
ones,
but
that
yeah
it
could
be
a
real
long
list.
T
B
Let's
have
michael
talk
first,
hopefully
michael
will
answer
this
as
well.
D
Yeah
so
I'll
take
this
one,
or
at
least
I'll
give
a
crack
at
it.
I
know
we're
walking
these
streets
when
a
lot
of
this
had
come
up
initially
last
year.
This
was
one
that
a
lot
of
folks
had
that
were
on
that
walking
tour
had
had
looked
at,
and
I
think
in
particular
for
me
why
it
would
be
so
advantageous
is
because
there's
a
lot
of
space
number
one
and
it's
densely
packed
with
with
businesses.
So
there's
a
lot
of
storefronts
that
are
relatively
close
together.
D
If
you
think
about
banks
and
busting,
you
had,
you
didn't
have
a
whole
lot
of
density
with
businesses
there.
So
so
I
think
that's
a
factor
that
we
really
need
to
think
about,
and
then,
as
far
as
lexington
is
concerned,
it
would
be
fantastic
if
that
could
be
paired
down
to
a
one-way,
with
the
remaining
space
being
converted
into
pedestrian.
D
You
know
pedestrian
only.
I
think
at
least
on
that
remaining
lane
and
then
take
the
parking
and
and
allow
the
the
parklets
and
the
eateries
that
we've
talked
about.
You
could
also
get
a
bike
lane
in
in
there
at
that
point.
So
a
lot
a
lot
of
space
for
utilization
for
a
lot
of
different
multimodal
uses.
There.
C
I
think
one
thing
that
we
need
to
think
about
more
robustly
is
when
we
talk
about
like
only
on
weekends
or
things
like
that,
then
what
only
for
tourists
and
we
need
to
build
an
infrastructure
that
prioritizes
multi-mobile
transportation
so
that
people
have
incentive
to
choose
bikes
or
possess
or
walking
over
driving
a
car.
So
there
should
be.
It
should
be
easier.
C
But
it's
people
that
work
there.
People
live
there.
They
should
be
able
to
utilize
a
shared
street
or
any
other
street
and
in
the
incentivized
to
not
drive
their
car
there.
You
should
be
able
to
not
have
to
have
a
car
in
asheville.
You
should
have
easy
enough
transportation
to
get
around
by
using
transit
and
bikes
and
pedestrians.
So
every
time
we
think
about
all
these
projects
we're
thinking
about
right.
Now
too,
it
shouldn't
just
be
for
people
going
downtown
to
visit,
or
you
know,
to
shop
or
to
create
a
tourist.
C
B
M
I
I
have
to
think
that
part
of
what
we
can
look
to,
for
example,
is
what
we
already
kind
of
do
this.
Sometimes
for
some
reasons
like
if
you
look
at
like
laugh,
has
a
history
of
shutting
down
election.
I
know
that's
more
of
like
a
holiday
like
street
fair
atmosphere,
but
we
have
to
be
able
to
learn
something
from
the
locations
of
those
types
of
those
types
of
uses
along
with
downtown
after
five
and
also
you
know,
sort
of
what
we've
seen
works
there
and
I
mean
obviously
you
can.
M
The
city
looks
at
these
situations
and
says:
hey
it's
already
valuable
for
a
time
to
to
to
shut
the
street
down
and
go
to
it
and
go
to
you
know
for
for
other
uses.
So
I
think
those
those
should
sort
of
point
the
way
to
the
places
and
uses
that
get
considered.
A
G
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
echo
what
michael
is
saying
randy
this
time
and
I
think
really
early
in
the
meeting
randy.
You
said
it
similarly,
is
that
I
think
when
we
look
at
the
streets
right
now,
what
we
see
in
today's
world,
we
don't
see
everything
we
could
see
if
we
completely
open
up
the
envelope
and
consider
different
things
in
terms
of
policy
in
terms
of
logistics,
delivery,
solutions
in
terms
of
parking
in
terms
of
shuttles
in
terms
of
all
types
of
transportation.
G
There's
a
lot
of
streets
in
our
city
that
have
a
lot
more
room
than
we
think
they
do.
There
are
some
pretty
open
spaces
and
if
we
just
rethink
it
and
consider
the
sidewalk
the
street,
all
a
public
space,
I
think,
will
come
up
with
much
more
valuable
solutions
than
just
seeing
what
we
see
right
now.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
in
there,
because
I
think
it's
just
hugely
important.
P
Now
I
just
want
to
remind
y'all
two
instances
where
lexington
was
closed
down
successfully
and
we
and-
and
everyone
was
on
the
street-
one
was
the
old:
was
it
the
old
leaf
festival,
lexington
arts,
something
remember
they
would
close
that
down
and
bell
share.
B
I
First,
I
want
to
thank
skeo
for
bringing
up.
You
know
bell
share,
even
though
lots
of
people
you
know
revile
it,
but
yeah
downtown
was
kind
of
shut
down
for
three
days
like
lots
of
it.
I
I
wanted
to
chime
in
because
I
was
one
of
the
ones
that
put
walnut
street
down
and
I
think
this
ties
into
something
that
that
bill
just
mentioned
of
you
know
if
we
kind
of
open
up
and
really
look
at
all
the
streets
like
I
realize
that
there's
probably
some
business
person
that
is
either
listening
or
might
listen.
I
That
is
gonna
not
like
what
I
have
to
say,
but
you,
I
think
you
could
close
walnut
street
tomorrow
and
there
are
so
many
other
ways
to
get
around
that
street
being
closed,
that
it
would
just
like
it's
just
one
of
those
possibilities
like
close
it
off
and
see
what
happens
like
haywood
street
was
closed,
a
lot
for
all
the
work
that
went
on.
You
know
going
on
with
with
kind
of
the
revitalization
of
haywood.
H
L
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
you
have
to
keep
in
mind
deliveries
to
all
of
our
downtown
restaurants,
especially
these
beer,
trucks
and
walnut
street
in
particular,
are
used
as
an
example.
They
use
wall
street
for
delivering
beer
to
all
of
the
businesses
on
broadway
because
they
can't
park
their
trucks
on
broadway.
So,
if
we're
going
to
close
down
streets,
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
do
delivery,
so
we
have
to
give
them
alternatives.
B
B
F
Button
y'all
I'll
get
it.
Maybe
I
guess
I
was
gonna
see
if
we
could
pivot,
because
part
of
me
is
like
we
could
play
this
game
of
like
listing
streets
for
a
long
time,
but
I
think
that
we
should
have
a
criteria
conversation
instead,
because
I
don't
know
that
might
be
that
might
get
us
towards
a
policy
solution.
I
mean
I
love
it
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
a
naysayer,
but
it's
a
fun
game,
but
I
also
feel
like
criteria
gets
us
in
the
policy
neighborhood
a
little
better.
B
And
I
think
what
folks
are
trying
to
do
is
name
the
streets
to
think
about
what
it
is
about
that
street.
That
makes
it
more
conducive.
So
I
appreciated
everyone's
comments,
especially
providing
a
little
bit
more
information
about
the
types
of
streets
that
you
thought
were
suitable,
because
that
is
where
we're
going
to
get
that
criteria
from
the
next
question
is:
do
you
think
the
city
should
convert
a
street
to
a
shared
street?
Even
if
the
businesses
on
it
are
not
supportive.
R
I
also
just
wanted
to
bring
up
walnut
as
an
example
there's
a
specific
example
I
have
in
day
night.
I
heard
your
comments
as
well:
there's
an
antique
shop
on
walnut,
that's
been
there,
for
I
don't
know,
50
years,
there's
a
loading
zone
outside
of
their
shop.
That
really
shouldn't
be
there
and
we've
got.
We
went.
We
tried
to
work
with
our
traffic
engineer.
We
tried
to
find
a
different
location
and
basically
because
they
sell
this
large
furniture,
they
get
shipments.
Their
customers
have
to
carry
these
large
things.
There
was
nowhere.
R
There
was
nowhere
else
for
them
to
do
that,
and
so,
while
I
I
you
know,
all
the
points
are
important
and
again
we're
just
throwing
these
things
at
the
wall
together
to
see
where
we
land,
but
eventually
we
will
get
down
to
the
granular
and-
and
it
does
get
really.
B
Well,
I
guess
you
all
have
majority
said
yes,
even
if
the
businesses
are
not
supported
so
michael
and
ruth
michael
first
and
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
start
wrapping
up
here
in
a
few
minutes.
D
I'm
just
going
to
point
out.
I
think
I
think
the
terminology
that
we
use
is
really
important
to
kind
of
set
people's
minds
right
when
we
talk
about
this
businesses
get
really
worried
about
some
of
this
stuff.
If
we,
if
we
have
the
the
language
that
we're
going
to
shut
streets
down
completely
to
vehicular
traffic,
so
I
really
like
the
the
terminology
of
pedestrian
priority
zones
so
much
because
what
that
means
is
we
can.
We
can
really
pare
down
traffic
to
everything
but
essential
traffic.
D
You
know
like
loading,
for
example,
or
trucks
and
deliveries.
Those
those
types
of
things
are
really
essential
to
people's
businesses
and
those
need
to
continue,
but
there's
nothing
to
prevent
a
truck
like
that
from
entering
into
a
pedestrian
zone
with
flashing
lights
going
one
mile
an
hour,
you
know
and
taking
a
yield
to
all
the
pedestrians
I've
seen
that
happen
and
works
quite
well.
A
K
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
do
not
forget
the
non-abled
people
when
we
look
at
shared
streets-
and
you
know,
asheville
has
a
growing
senior
citizen
population
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
cannot
get
on
and
off
of
buses
and
they
need
access
to
cars,
even
though
you
know
I
used
to
be.
You
know,
a
huge
proponent
of
more
parking
lots,
I've
kind
of
changed,
and
I
look
at
seeing
the
value
of
more
shared
spaces.
K
M
You
know
I'd
hate
for
us
to
get
to
a
place
where,
as
a
policy,
one
business
could
hold
hostage
over
40.
That
could
see
benefit,
and
so
I
think
that
we
have
to
be
prepared
to
get
consensus
of
less
than
100
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
supply
benefits
at
all
from
this
program.
M
B
Great
next
question:
oop:
let's
go
back
to
the
we're
saving
that
one
for
the
last.
I
believe
now
we'll
wrap
up
questions.
That's
okay!
That's
our
wrap-up
questions.
So
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
we
had
three
things
that
we
wanted
you
to
definitely
walk
away
with
today.
One
is
the
better
understanding
of
where
the
programs
are
right.
Now
the
challenges
we're
facing
and
that
public
space
management
framework
that
we're
just
rolling
out
it's
a
living
document
and
we're
starting
to
use
it
as
that
framework.
So
that's
the
first
thing.
B
The
second
thing
is
that
you
should
have
a
better
understanding
of
the
people
that
you're
working
with
and
the
people
on
the
other
commission's
viewpoints
after
all
of
this
and
hopefully
understand
where
those
challenges,
even
in
policy
decision
making,
might
lie-
and
the
third
is
mostly
going
to
be
explained
right
here
with
the
next
step
slide,
but
an
understanding
of
where
city
staff
might
be
going
and
how
we
are
going
to
use
your
feedback
to
prioritize
working
on
certain
areas
and
move
forward
together
and
how
we
can
do
that.
B
So
how
we
can
do
that
is
the
public
space
management
committee.
Primarily,
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
we
can
do
it,
but
we
want
to
focus
on
getting
that
up
and
running
again
and
we
are
going
to
offline
from
this
meeting
send
out
information
that
will
make
it
more
clear
about
who
has
been
on
that
committee.
B
What
their
representations
were
because
it
was
set
up
specifically
so
that
we
had
a
diverse
group
of
stakeholders
and
we
heard
from
specific
people
as
well
as
people
at
large
and
we'll
want
to
make
sure
that
we
re-examine,
if
those
are
still
valid
stakeholder
perspectives.
If
we
need
to
add
more,
do
less
change
the
at-large
all
of
that,
but
we
are
going
to
have
that
conversation
with
the
with
a
few
folks,
including
the
chairs
of
these
commissions.
B
B
As
you
know,
the
city
of
asheville
can
do
anything,
but
we
can't
do
everything
so,
in
order
for
us
to
make
this
a
sustainable
program
where
we
can
be
asked
and
also
perhaps
be
aspirational
at
some
point,
we
need
to
develop
some
resources
and
what
we
mean
by
that
is
not
just
money,
but
also
we
need
time
and
we
need
people
and
we
need
partnerships,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
go
into
this.
B
B
B
You
know
above
and
beyond
during
covet,
but
we
all
have
other
wonderful
things
that
we
need
to
focus
on
now
and
we'd
love
to
find
the
resources
to
get
someone
who
could
actually
coordinate
this
work
moving
forward,
so
an
action
plan
that
would
outline
the
engagement
strategies
that
we
need
to
do
the
research
that
we
need
to
do
the
best
practices
that
we
need
to
do:
physical
analysis
of
these
streets
and
sidewalks
and
other
public
space
areas,
because,
although
we
didn't
get
out
into
it,
you
know
sidebar.
B
We
do
have
opportunities,
especially
in
the
edges
of
some
of
our
park
spaces
and
some
lesser
thought
of
areas
to
accomplish
some
of
the
goals
we
really
want
to
with
activating
public
space
in
a
way
that
it
creates
amazing
outcomes
for
everybody,
so
that
that
that
arbor
grant
application
will
hear
back.
You
know
in
january,
like
everybody
else
will
also
consider
putting
in
a
request
in
the
city's
supplemental
budget
process
and
we'll
look
for
outside
funding
sources.
B
So
you
know,
without
naming
names
or
going
down
those
paths,
there's
always
grant
opportunities
that
may
be
appropriate
and
we'll
still
be
considering
some
of
these
coveted
response
pieces
of
it,
but
we
know
we
also
need
to
think
about
it
from
the
larger
perspective
of
long-term.
What's
going
on
in
our
public
realm,
and
how
can
we
transition
these
things
and,
like
I
said,
perhaps
be
aspirational?
B
You
heard
a
lot
about
the
challenges,
and
so
for
each
of
these
we
feel
strongly
that
we've
got
some
key
areas
to
work
on
so
for
parklets
and
streeteries,
the
biggest
one
is
to
have
decent
program
standards
and
permitting
guidelines.
Dana
mentioned
other
folks
mentioned.
We
were
really
making
a
lot
as
much
as
we
had
got.
You
know
you
can
find
those
guidelines
on
online
as
much
as
we
had
that
document.
There
were
a
lot
of
one-off
decisions
that
had
to
be
made,
and
it's
somewhat
time-consuming.
B
We
didn't.
You
know
we
had
equity
issues,
we
had
fairness
in
a
different
way
type
of
issues,
and
we
would
love
to
get
some
of
those
things
nailed
down
so
that
people
who
want
this
could
have
some
clarity
and
speaking
of
that
team,
you
know
it
was
like
a
12-person
team
that
would
do
application
review
because
we
needed
to
look
at
all
different
aspects
of
of
what
they're
proposing
to
do
in
the
public
realm
and
then
what
we
really
lacked
and
everybody's
lacking
labor
right
now
is
that
enforcement
aspect.
B
We
need
that
to
be
a
big
investment
moving
forward,
and
then
we
talked
about
fees,
a
lot,
so
fees
for
everything,
but
parklets
and
streeters,
especially
the
privatization
of
public
space
understanding
what
those
should
be-
and
I
should
do
a
sidebar
on
that
as
well-
that
people
and
our
staff
are
already
looking
at
you.
We
should
anticipate
that
any
program
we
have
moving
forward
is
going
to
have
fees
and
that
fees
for
some
of
our
other
programs
in
the
public
realm,
whether
that's
like
encroachments,
for
a
frame
signs
or
sidewalk
dining.
B
We'll
need
to
look
at
those
as
well
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
consistent
across
the
board
with
our
fee
structures
shared
streets.
This
one
is
a
big
gray
area
for
us,
because
we've
had
maybe
the
least
amount
of
investment
in
some
ways
in
this
when
we
say
continue
to
work
with
the
community
to
find
goals
and
roles.
B
B
What
have
you
that
are
taking
those
barricades
down,
putting
those
barricades
up,
making
sure
that
there's
programming
making
sure
it's
clean,
it's
safe
and
having
partnerships
and
even
written
agreements
with
the
city
and
other
entities,
because
there's
definitely
more
than
just
the
city
government-
that's
involved
or
has
a
stake
in
this,
so
those
are
just
some
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at.
D
On
the
shared
streets,
are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
this
outside
of
the
downtown
area,
because
I
know,
for
example,
here
in
oakley
we
had
a
successful
open
street
stay
on
thompson
street
where
he
closed
down
the
street
and
there's
a
lot
of
questions
that
we
were
getting
on
our
leadership
team,
with
the
neighborhood
association
of
whether
or
not
that
was
something
that
we
could
open
up
on
a
regular
basis,
perhaps
like
every
sunday.
D
So
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
considered
that
as
far
your
conversations,
but
I
would
request
on
behalf
of
that
association
that
we
think
outside
of
downtown
too.
B
Yeah
great
point:
we
have
thought
about
it.
That
would
be.
That
would
be
good,
but
of
course
we
also
have
to
create
some
kind
of
scope
at
first
some
kind
of
geographic
scope.
J
B
C
So
that's
kind
of
the
next
step,
too,
is
extending
this
conversation
out
to
those
type
of
things
and
one
of
the
focuses
of
the
multimodal
transformation
commission.
This
next
year
is
to
have
a
connected
bike
network
and
that's
a
big
part
of
it.
If
we
can
make
streets
that
come
into
downtown
part
of
that
connected
bike
network,
then
that
changes
the
dynamic
of
the
downtown
space
as
well.
B
I
just
do
I
do
want
to
make
a
comment
too,
that
I
know
that
you
have
the
council,
liaisons
or
actually
voting
members
in
the
case
of
downtown
commission
listing
in,
and
you
know,
the
the
budget
process
is
upcoming
in
the
spring
and
council
will
reset
their
priorities,
and
what
I
should
be
saying
to
you,
or
all
of
staff
should
be
saying
to
you-
is
that
there
are
things
that
we
would
like
to
do,
but
we
also
pay
close
attention
in
our
dir.
B
You
know
we're
directed
by
the
work
of
the
city
manager,
who's
directed
by
the
requests
of
city
council,
so
there
there
is
a
there
are
some
really
big
initiatives
this
year
that
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
reparations
is
probably
the
biggest
one,
and
then
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
have
this
question
up
here.
At
the
end
of
this
discussion,.
B
So,
which
of
the
initiatives
has
the
most
potential
for
creating?
This
is
back
to
downtown,
creating
an
inclusive,
welcoming
and
accessible
downtown,
which
were
some
of
the
most
submitted
words
for
what
makes
a
great
public
space.
M
I'm
going
to
put
in
a
pitch
for
sidewalk
merchandise,
because
if
you
want
to
talk
about
how
people
can
generate
business
opportunities
from
almost
nothing
and
really
creating
a
a
very
low
rung
on
the
ladder
of
entrepreneurship
like
this
is
something
tangible.
The
city
could
do,
and
so
particularly
I've
been
a
champion
of
merchandise
permits
for
street
performers.
M
So
that's
one
example:
that's
in
my
wheelhouse,
but
there
could
be
a
lot
of
there
could
be
a
lot
of
others
and
in
a
in,
I
think,
is
when
you,
when
we
look
at
our
recent
quality
of
life
based
on
income
and
costs,
like,
I
think,
a
wonderful
thing
that
the
city
could
do
is
create
micro
opportunities
for
people
who
are
willing
to
take
those
first
steps
into
entrepreneurship
and
and
use
using
sidewalks
in
a
way
that
supports
those
goals,
I
think
would
be
really
strong,
especially
especially
when
you
talk
about
racial
equity
and
trying
to
bring
people
back
to
downtown.
Q
I
You
know
when
I
read
that
I
look
directly
at
that
word:
potential
and
the
shared
streets
embodies
all
the
other
three
before
it
I
mean,
including
what
andrew's
just
talking
about.
Now
I
mean
you
do
a
shared
street,
all
those
other
three
plus
things
we
haven't
even
thought
about
are
in
that
one.
So
to
me,
that's
that's
a
no-brainer.
B
So
just
recapping
kind
of
on
the
next
steps
and
where
we're
going
from
here
and
dana
and
jessica
and
other
staff
can
and
chime
in.
But
I
think
what
we
are
going
to
do
is
watch
this
entirely
from
start
to
finish
again.
B
Instead
of
you
know,
participating
in
it
get
your
comments
in
some
kind
of
report-like
format,
so
that
we
can
report
back
to
you
all
what
we
heard
and
what
you're
going
to
be
doing
after
that
is
thinking
about
where
it
looks
like
keeping
in
mind
what
city
staff
has
you
know
has
to
do,
and
the
fact
that
we
are
trying
to
get
additional
resources
right
now,
where
it
looks
like
your
priorities
sit
and
whether
or
not
the
downtown
commission
and
the
multimodal
commission
share
those
kind
of
same
priorities.
B
F
F
We
kind
of
came
to
a
recommendation
that,
when
designing
downtown
shared
spaces,
guidance
prioritize
the
needs
of
space
for
pedestrians
first
and
parking
last,
and
I
know
that
the
the
I
forget
what
acronym
is,
but
the
committee
that
you're
talking
about
is
being
the
public
species
committee
that
andrew's
been
cheering
is
going
to
get
rebooted.
But
I
feel
like
I
would
like
us
to
have
spent
this
amount
of
time
being
this
thoughtful
to
point.
That
group,
in
a
direction
based
on
the
cross
commissions
more
than
just
our
comments
and
input.
F
B
Q
D
I'll
second,
that
maggie-
and
I
was
one
of
the
folks
that
have
walked
around
with
the
with
the
group
but
yeah
absolutely
I.
I
really
do
think
that
if
there's.
D
To
be
gleaned
from
this
is
to
to
know
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
space.
That
is
being,
I
think,
advocated
to
to
vehicles
right
now,
and
that's
that's
not
something
that
has
inherent
to
our
history.
It's
that's
something.
That's
only
developed
over
the
past
80
to
100
years
since
cars
have
been
here.
So
I
I
would
say
it
should
be
our
prerogative
to
put
pedestrians
and
people
first
over
cars.
R
R
O
M
Yeah
I
was,
I
was
on
that
group
that
that
walked
around
and
you
know
sort
of
did
some
did
some
some
focuses
on
a
few
areas,
but
also
some
big
themes
about
about
sort
of
kind
of
like
what
michael
said.
You
know
this.
M
This
idea
of
that
cars
being
having
primacy
is
about
80
years
old,
and
I
think
it's
led
to
some
very
dissatisfying
results
and
we're
all
people
are
all
now,
especially
after
kovid
ready
for
a
new
way
of
looking
at
things,
which
I
think
is
we're
all
in
a
moment
of
action
here
that
just
probably
couldn't
have
taken
place
a
couple
years
ago.
So
I
really
want
to.
I
really
want
to
use
it.
M
I
really
want
to
use
this
this,
this
new
type
of
thinking,
so
I'm
going
to
make
a
couple
suggestions
about
how
organizationally
how
we
can
go
forward.
First
off.
I
really
I've
really
enjoyed
this
meeting.
I
think
this
has
been
really
helpful
and
I
I
will
suggest
that
this
to
make
this
an
annual
event,
and
I
would
also
invite
multimodal
to
send
representatives
to
the
public
space
management
committee,
perhaps
even
in
a
co-chair
or
vice
chair
fashion,
so
that
we've
got
good
leadership.
M
That's
reporting
back
to
these
these
commissions
and
doing
good
communication
there.
So
those
are
gonna
be
my
suggestions
about
on
the
sort
of
the
commission
side,
how
we
can
operationalize
and
be
helpful
to
you
guys
on
the
staff
side
going
forward.
B
R
Back
to
maggie's
question
and
bringing
up
the
public
space
management
guidelines,
that's
something!
Maybe
we
can
look
at
stating
that
in
a
more
overarching
way
right,
because
we
have
this
project
and
and
maybe
there's
other
ways
to
make
that
recommendation.
But
maybe
we
can
look
at
that
too,
more
broadly,
but
I
did
want
to
say
you
know,
and
it
sounds
like.
Maybe
we're
still
thinking
a
little
bit
about
if
different
groups
continue.
R
Obviously,
and
especially
with
the
last
questions-
there's
a
lot
of
interest
and
opportunity
for
shared
streets,
and
I
would
just
encourage
you
all
to
continue
thinking
about
that
and
what
that
looks
like
and
who
would
be
involved
and
what
that
you
know
how
the
community
might
initiate
or
participate
and
and
who
would
be
involved.
And
I
would
just
encourage
you
all
to
to
dig
in
a
little
bit
more
on
that,
because
I
think
you
know
it's
not
something.
R
B
We
have
lost
quite
a
few
participants
during
this
meeting.
I
understand
it
was
a
very
long
meeting,
we're
so
thankful
for
folks
who
are
able
to
make
any
of
it
so
maggie.
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
proposing
that
this
group
adopt
a
resolution
now
or
it's
something
that
the
two
commissions
can
think
about
separately
when
their
full
bodies
are
reconvened
and
have
time
to
say
to
the
like.
I
would.
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
you
would
want
to
make
that
public
on
an
agenda
and
say
hey.
We
wanted
to
adopt
a
resolution.
F
I
mean
that's
an
option
and
I
will
say
that,
like
leading
into
this
meeting
the
group
each
of
the
different
committees
talked
to
staff
during
public
comment
during
our
different
committees
talked
about
having
a
subcommittee,
we
reported
back
to
staff
that
we
wanted
to
start
with
a
recommendation
of
this
nature,
so
I
feel
like
it's
kind
of
gone
through
the
process
and
then
it's
coming
up
now,
so
I
mean
we
can
go
back
through
different
conversations,
but
I
guess
what
what
I
am
very
eager
to
make
sure
that
we
have
going
forward
is
that
we
don't
have
any
language
and
any
of
our
policy
documents
that
really
lifts
this
type
of
sentiment
up
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
creating
a
policy
document.
F
That's
not
what
we're
authorized
to
do,
but
that
really
ensuring
that
the
input
session
that
had
so
much
universal
support
throughout
the
entire
meeting
gets
really
codified
in
a
single
statement.
Otherwise
it
can
get
deluded
as
time
happens
and
as
space
happens.
As
you
know,
our
comments
get
summarized
by
staff.
A
K
Yeah,
I
just
feel
like
the
downtown
commission
is
not
fully
represented
at
this
meeting,
and
I
think
doing
a
resolution
now
is
is,
in
my
opinion,
not
appropriate.
K
I
think
that
the
downtown
commission
needs
more
time
to
discuss
this
when
we
have
a
full
membership
available
and
I'd
also
love
to
be
able
to
have
all
of
the
documents
that
were
included.
I
must
have
missed
an
email
or
something
and
didn't
get
the
documents.
So
you
know
it
would
have
been
helpful
to
have
had
all
those
presentations
prior
to
this
meeting,
so
we
could
have
studied
them
at
our
leisure
and
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
lot
more
productive
as
far
as
the
conversation
goes.
B
So
we
can
get
that
yeah.
We
absolutely
meant
to
have
to
get
the
presentation
to
you
in
advance
and
our
apologies
for
that.
It
was
just
an
oversight
with
the
having
a
hyperlink
but
we'll
change
that
moving
forward,
and
we
can
get
that
presentation
out
to
you
tonight.
We
can
get
tomorrow,
probably
the
draft
of
the
or
the
the
public
space
management
framework
document
out
to
you.
So
you
could
take
a
look
at
that.
B
It
is
a
lot
of
information,
we'll
make
sure
that
everybody
on
both
commissions
gets
that
information,
and
then
I
would
ask
the
chairs
of
both
of
the
commissions
to
you
know,
consider
maggie's
proposal
at
your
upcoming
meetings.
B
Up
to
you
all
right,
yep,
that
is
up
to
you
all
there
there's.
You
know
our
we're
happy.
I
think
this
was
actually
really
great
for
us
to
have
this
many
people
with
diverse
perspectives
at
one
time
is
so
I
just
want
to
encourage
you
to
come
back
together.
Maggie's
comments
about
commissions
coming
together.
More
often
is
you
know
it's
really
a
salient
point.
You
know,
I
think,
before
we
had
a
great
retreat.
B
So,
but
that
again,
is
it
takes
we'll
talk
to
the
chairs
and
see
what
folks
think
and
on
this,
in
the
same
vein,
we
are
also
going
to
make
sure
that
we
have
this
public
space
management
committee
fully
formed
with
members
from
both
of
you
and
other
folks.
D
Q
I
I
just
want
to
make
a
quick
comment.
I'll
certainly
we'll
get
this
information
over
to
everyone
else
on
planning
and
zoning
also,
I
know
we've
just
planning
and
zoning.
I've
talked
to
some
of
the
current
members
and
you
know
certainly
looking
to
to
take
some
of
the
information
you
know
again.
Do
that
cross.
Commission
information
sharing,
so
there
were
all
all
of
these
different
commissions
that
look
at
all
of
these
spaces
can
can
be
thinking
about
how
do
these
things
get
moved
forward.
So.
B
M
C
M
Channel
has
been
one
of
the
more
interesting
meetings.
I've
had
this
year,
so
really
really
fun
to
see
this
group
of
people
and
these
perspectives
together.
So
thanks,
everybody.