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A
A
Okay.
Good
afternoon
I
am
jane
matthews.
I
am
chair
of
the
asheville
area,
riverfront
design,
reviews
planning
and
design
review
committee,
and
I
welcome
you
to
the
january
14th
meeting
as
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
there
are
five
members
and
I
believe,
oh
actually,
I
didn't
see
we
have
four
members
present.
Is
that
correct?
A
A
A
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
in
by
phone
or
call
in
again
for
those
of
you
here
with
us
today.
We
welcome
you
and
now
I'm
going
to
introduce
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
and
also
maybe
take
the
roll
call.
So,
as
I
call
your
name
just
please
maybe
state
your
background
and
maybe
say
that
you're
here,
okay,
let's
see
kate
and
kaya.
A
Thank
you,
kate,
lindsey,
rhoden,.
A
Many
hats
and
joe
ramsmar.
A
And
again,
I'm
jane
matthews,
I'm
principal
of
matthews
architecture
in
asheville
and
let's
see-
and
we
have
on
our
agenda
today-
one
item
for
well.
I
guess
we
have
two
items.
I've
looked
to
staff
for
that.
If
we
have
time
we're
gonna
look
at
a
second
project,
but
the
first
project
we
have
is
for
the
project
on
trucker's
place.
A
Yes,
thank
you
yeah,
so
this
is
17
truckers
place
it's
coming
for
its
first
review
or
you
know
it's
a
review
to
your
committee
and
then,
after
that
we
have
a
grant
center
edition,
which
is
kind
of
a
really
an
expansion
and
we're
not
doing
a
full.
You
know,
as
long
probably.
A
G
Yes,
I'm
megan
veren,
I'm
with
cross
development.
We
will
be
the
owner,
developer
of
17
truckers
place
and
we
are
going.
We
are
proposing
a
caliber
collision
on
the
call
with
me.
Today,
too,
is
brenda
rooney,
she's,
fwh
architects
and
she
will
be
the
project
architect.
We
have
todd
burnett,
he
is
with
freeland
and
kaufman.
He
will
be
the
civil
engineer
on
the
project
and
then
we
also
have
blake
cox
he's
with
freeland
and
kaufman
and
amy
swisher
who's
with
cross
development.
G
So
I
guess
it's
jane.
I
should
go
ahead
and
start
kind
of
our
little
question.
A
If
you
want
to
give
us
an
orientation
overview
of
what
you're
proposing
and
then
we
will
have
questions,
I'm
sure
in
discussion
with
you
prior
to
making
decisions.
Thank
you.
G
So
I'm
going
to
present,
let
me
know,
I
don't
know
if
everybody
can
see
the
google
maps
screen
yeah
all
right
and
everybody
can
hear
me:
okay,
okay,
so
we
are
looking
at
developing
17
truckers
place
in
asheville.
I
figured
we
could
just
look
at
the
google
maps,
so
we
can
just
get
a
general
orientation
of
where
it's
at
it
is
adjacent
to
the
new
I
recently
redeveloped,
aldi
and
and
on
swan.
I
know
a
river
road
and
trucker's
place
it's
currently
vacant.
G
I
think.
Maybe
previously
there
was
something
on
it
that
was
demolished
a
while
ago,
but
at
the
moment
it
is
sitting
vacant
and
behind
it
is
this
asheville
fleet
service
and
to
the
east
is
wnc
ceramic
tile
to
the
west?
Is
the
aldi
and
then
across
the
street
is
the
river,
and
then
it
looks
like
there's
this
much
larger
commercial
development
to
the
south
of
the
river.
G
So
our
first
is
gonna
bring
up
our
site
plan.
Our
proposed
site
plan.
G
And
if
you,
if
you
would
like
me
to
zoom
into
anything
in
particular,
you
know,
let
me
know,
I'm
not
sure
how
big
this
shows
up
for
everybody,
but
so
this
is
the
our
proposed
layout,
the
front
to
the
down
here:
swannanoa
river
road
and
then
trucker's
place.
The
aldi
is
over
here
to
the
west
and
the
tile
that
tile
shop
is
to
the
east.
G
We
have
the
orientation
of
the
building
towards
pushed
up
towards
swannanoa
road.
The
main
entrance
is
over
here
on
the
west
side
of
the
building
and
our
access.
Our
access
is
pushed
to
the
north
of
the
north
side
of
the
site
off
of
trucker's
place.
G
And
for
caliber
collisions
if
you're
not
familiar
with
them,
there
is.
It
is
a
kind
of
a
drive
and
drive
out
auto
body
repair
shop.
They
don't
do
they
don't
do
like
heavy
mechanical.
It's
it's
purely
body
shop,
kind
of
minor
cosmetic,
related
work,
it's
a
really
clean
facility
and
so
the
way
that
there
I
just
thought
I
would
touch
on
just
kind
of
like
the
journal
operation,
because
some,
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
people,
don't
understand
kind
of
how
it
works.
So
for
caliber,
it's!
G
If
you
get
an
accident,
you
know
a
minor
dean
crash.
Your
insurance
company
will
direct
you
to
caliber
collision
for
your
repairs,
and
so
all
the
vehicles
that
come
to
that
will
come
to
this
shop
will
be
drivable.
It
will
just
be
you
know,
a
scratch
or
dent
type
collision
so
that
it
is
a
drivable
vehicle.
G
G
The
workers
at
caliber
collision
will
take
it.
The
car
back
into
the
service
area
work
on
it,
and
then
it
will
be
back
out
into
the
customer
parking
when
the
customer
comes
to
pick
it
up.
So
this
all
of
the
parking
up
here
in
the
front
and
outside
of
the
gate
is
considered
the
customer
parking
and
then
everything
behind
the
gate
is
kind
of
the
storage
parking
which
you
can
kind
of
see
the
fence
along
here.
G
So
this
is
the
kind
of
the
prototypical
elevation
that
caliber
presents,
and
this
this
elevation
here
would
be
the
the
view
off
of
trucker's
place.
Now
this
is
the
east
elevation
which
would
be
facing
the
ceramic
that
the
tile
shop-
this
is
the
north
elevation
that
would
face
that.
G
Camera
what
it
was
called,
but
the
property
to
the
north
south
elevation
is
what
would
be
facing
swannanoa
road.
It
is
typically
a
pre-engineered
metal
building
with
colored
panels.
As
shown
on
the
elevation,
the
office
wrap
is
still
a
mix
of
stone
and
ethes.
G
Brenda,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
that
you
want
to
talk
about
on
the
elevations
or
if
we
want
to
get
into
any
specific
questions,
I
can
go
through
all
the
slides
jane
if
you
would
like,
or
you
know,
the
floor
plan
and
other
information
we
provided.
A
G
Yeah,
it's
kind
of
it
needs
to
be
rotated
and
flipped,
because
the
bait
this
this
is
showing
the
bay
doors
opening
up
so
you're
right.
It
is
orientated.
A
F
A
I
mean
that
to
me
that
would
give
me
I
don't
know.
I
look
to
the
rest
of
the
commission
if
they
have
or
the
committee
if
they
have
any
other
information,
they
really
need.
At
this
point,
or
I
know
you
have
a
signage
package,
you
may
want
to
just
kind
of
review
that,
since
that
was
included.
A
And
jane,
if
I
may,
I
think
it
would
also
after
you
do
that.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
talk
about
maybe
going
back
to
the
site
planning
time
about
the
retaining
walls
and
the
elevation
of
the
site.
So
folks
understand
that
too.
Okay.
G
G
Right
now
we're
showing
signage
so
this
tower
feature.
This
is
what
we
consider
the
kind
of
tower
feature,
the
main
entrance
where
people
are
entering
the
building.
The
way
that
we
currently
have
it
oriented
and
laid
on
the
site
plan
is
shown
on
this
corner.
G
I
you
know
in
some
discussions
with
caliber
and
just
some
after
some
just
thinking
about
it.
We
might
we
might
move
this
to
this
corner,
so
it's
more
prominent
from
trucker's
place
and
swan
and
now
the
road
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
This
is
their
typical
kind
of.
G
F
F
G
Correct
so
the
stone
the
stone
runs
along
the
the
bottom
down
here
on
the
wayne
scott
line
and
then
up
to
all
the
way
up.
The
kind
of
the
tower
feature
in
the
corner.
But.
G
Yeah,
so
this
this,
this
elevation
faces
trucker's
place.
What
we
were
considering
is
moving
and
it
wraps
this
facade
wraps
the
corner,
so
we
were
considering
about
moving
this
feature
to
the
swannanoa
trucker's
place
corner.
So
it's
more
of
a
corner
feature.
G
E
Megan,
can
I
ask
the
question?
Yes,
I
noticed
on
the
signage
package.
The
the
plan
view
is
is
different
than
it
is
on
the
the
other
plan
site
plan
as
far
as
where
the
dumpster
is
located
and
some
of
the
parking
spaces.
G
Correct
yeah,
when
he
put
so
this
was
unfortunately
he
didn't
have
time
to
get
updated
prior.
But
so
this
was.
This
was
our
original
layout
that
we
had
put
together
when
we
did
our
when
we
got
our
survey
done
of
the
site,
the
floodway
line
encroached
more
into
the
property,
and
so
we
had
to
adjust
some
things
and
that's
that's
the
difference
between
the
site
plan
that
we
actually
submitted
for
the
presentation
versus
what
the
sign
vendor
is
showing
on
his
package.
E
Okay,
yeah,
I'm
familiar
with
the
site,
that's
been
an
elevated,
I
guess
compacted
fill
there.
That's
elevated
somewhat!
It's
been
there
for.
E
F
E
The
site
plan
is
the
more
up-to-date
the
more
what
you're
proposing
correct:
okay
with
the
dumpster
in
the
east,
northeast
corner,
okay,.
E
G
D
G
Yes,
so
it
is
so
it's
this
entire
green
space.
I
think
the
chain
link
fence
is
right
about
here,
the
property-
I
think
you
know
our
property
boundary-
extends
a
little
bit
farther
out
towards
swannanoa.
E
G
E
G
Yes,
so
we
are
going
to
have
to
fill
so
this
site
does
say
we
we
are
subject
to
a
floodway
and
a
flood
zone
and
so
to
the
finished
floor,
elevation
that
we
need
to
bring
the
site
up
to
is
2022
and
tied
on.
If
you're
on
the
con.
You
can
remember
exactly
how
much
more
we
need
to
bring
the
site
up.
H
E
F
C
G
G
This
retaining
wall
starts.
You
know
up
here
on
the
north
west
corner
and
wraps
around
almost
the
entire
perimeter
of
the
building,
all
along
the
front
edge
along
swananoa
and
then
up
along
adjacent
to
trevor's
place
and.
A
Megan,
what
is
that
wall?
Because
there
were
conflicting
if
there
was
conflicting
information
on
the
site
plan
as
to
what
the
material
was?
It
said,
segmental
wall
in
one
place
and
it's
a
cast
in
place,
and
we
have
nothing
to
that
illustrates
what
that
material
would
look
like
be
like.
G
So
tie
down,
if
you
want
to
jump
in
if
I
get
off
board,
but
so
portions
of
it
would
be
the
segmental
wall
along,
I
think
it's
primarily
along
trucker's
place
and
then,
like
this
entire
section,
the
north
and
east
side
of
the
property
and
that's
typically
like
a
split
face,
concrete
block
that
color.
You
know
we
would
usually
pick
a
color
that
matches
the
building
and
then
the
cast
in
place
would
be
the
retaining
wall
that
is
adjacent
to
the
building
along
swananoa
road.
G
G
G
It
would
be
this
the
tan
color
that
it
body
of
the
the
shop.
G
B
A
There's
some
top
of
wall
elevations
kate
on
there.
B
Right,
but
just
thinking
about
what
your
experience
is,
if
you're
walking
along
that
sidewalk
yeah.
A
F
B
A
F
A
B
At
that-
and
it
looks
like
the
reason
you
have-
the
smaller
ornamental
trees
there,
which
feels
insufficient
for
that
wall
is
because
you
also
have
the
challenge
of
an
overhead
utility
through
there
right.
There.
H
That's
that's
correct.
There's
an
overhead
utility
and
there's
also
the
a
30
foot,
sanitary
sewer
easement
along
the
front
that
we
are
not
allowed
to
plant
in
either.
So
we
kind
of
had
to
push
everything
as
far
back
as
we
could
up
against
the
wall
and
the
small
ornamental
trees
are
a
direct
result
of
the
overhead
electric.
C
One
question
I
had
which
and
maybe
it's
for
the
864
number-
I
don't
know
who
just
spoke,
but
I
was
wondering
you
know,
did
you
because
the
fourth
thing
I
noticed
was
like
wow:
that's
a
tall
wall,
that's
just
building
up
the
whole
site,
and
so
I
wondered
is
there
and
I
was
looking
at
the
aldi
which
we
reviewed
in
here
and
you
know
their
approach
was:
we've
got
the
sidewalk
a
little
green
space,
a
smaller
wall,
a
little
more
green
space
and
then
some
parking
that
helps
get
that
grade
so
that
your
building
is
two
feet
above
the
bfe.
C
G
H
Yeah
and
what's
what's
driving
that
there
is
so
if
you
go
back
to
the
site
plan,
you
can
look
at
this
too,
but
at
the
site
plan
you
can
see
where
the
floodway
limit
line
is
on
the
plan
and
per
code.
We're
not
allowed
to
put
any
vertical
obstruction
in
the
floodway
without
doing
a
flood
study
for
the
entire
swannanoa
river
district.
H
And
if
you
look
at
the
way,
the
floodway
line
is
angling.
It
actually
angles
off
of
that
aldi
property
and
it
clips
a
small
portion
of
the
corner.
So
they
have
the
ability
to
do
what
they
did,
whereas
we
don't
see
that
line
continues
to
angle
and
they
it
their.
Their
property
is
only
impacted
by
the
floodway
on
the
corner
versus
for
our
site.
It's
impacting
the
entire
frontage.
G
D
F
A
Or
if
you
or
if
you
had
rotated
your
building,
you
know
so
the
law
the
length
was
into
the
site
and
the
parking
was
behind
it
or
something.
You
know.
A
A
I
think,
jane's
got
one
idea
turning
it.
I
guess
another
idea
would
be
what,
if
the
parking
in
the
building
flipped
still
maybe
changing
where
the
brick
is
and
wrapping.
I
think
that
would
be
good
on
swan
noah
regardless
somehow,
but
would
it
be
better
for
it
to
be
more
like
the
aldi
and
have
the
ability
just
pushed
back?
C
Yeah
my
my
first
reaction
was
like
recognizing
the
floodplain
and
what
limits
yeah.
That's
limiting
like.
What's
the
best
approach
for
the
site
and
and
building
a
nine-foot
wall
around
the
whole
thing
feels
like.
What's
what
are
some
other
solutions?
You
know
that
to
still
you
know,
how
can
we
naturally
grade
some
of
it
because
and
people
do
walk
along
it,
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
we
have
there's
trees.
G
H
Yeah,
so
so
megan
and
I
actually
went
through.
I
don't
know
six
or
seven
different
concepts.
I
think
we
put
this
building
on
every
corner
of
the
property
and
and
that's
correct
if
we,
if
we
basically
mirror
the
site,
put
the
building
at
the
back,
let
the
parking
lot
fall
towards
swananoa
river
road.
H
That
will
save
some
grading.
However,
due
to
the
fact
that
the
what
you
see
out
there
today
already
is
eight
feet
above
the
roads
and
we've
got
to
take
it
another
four.
So
we're
going
to
be
up
10
to
12
feet
above
the
road,
no
matter
what
you
do
per
the
building
code
and
the
flood
elevation
and
no
matter
how
much
we
moved
you're
still
going
to
end
up
with
some
retaining
wall
along
the
frontage.
H
It
might
go
from
a
10
foot
wall
to
a
7
foot
wall
or
maybe
a
six
foot
wall
and
then
the
other
downside
that
what
we
kind
of
felt
like
wasn't
the
best
idea
when
we
flipped
that
building
we're
now
putting
the
business
end
of
caliber
facing
the
road.
So
someone
driving
by
is
going
to
see
all
the
cars
you
know.
H
A
A
That's
why
I
was
thinking
if
90
degree,
then
you
could
put
a
wall
around
the
yard
and
it
would
be
a
smaller
front
engine.
It
could
be
screened
and
maybe
the
building
would
have
some
presence
just
want
to
know.
Right
now,
you've
got
basically
a
blank
wall
facing
swan
and
no
river
road
which
doesn't
relate
to
the
river.
At
all
I
mean
that's
where
the
river
is
is
going
that
way,
not
truckers
road
truckers
place.
A
That's
why
I
know
river
road
and
and
the
use
and
the
materials,
and
I
realize
you're,
using
very
much
you
haven't
done
anything
different
you're.
Just
using
prototype
designs,
you
haven't
changed
it
for
asheville
or
for
the
river.
You
just
basically
redo
it,
but
you
know
we.
If
we
look
at
something
like
aldi's,
which
you
know
did
hurricane
back
to
at
least
using
brick,
which
is
respective
you
know,
trying
to
play
some
honor,
which
is
to
the
older
buildings
along
the
river,
which
is
something
stated
in
the
guidelines.
Page
11..
A
B
I
have
a
question
about
the
parking
and
it
that's
related,
then,
to
you
know
the
orientation
of
the
building
on
the
site.
So
I'm
not
familiar
with
this,
this
building
usage
as
much
so
is
there
a
way
to
that
the
parking
doesn't
all
have
to
be
in
the
same
spot,
so
we
have
so
looking
at
the
parking
summary
you're
providing
75
spaces
and
that,
but
the
could
you
just
so
those
75
spaces.
B
Is
that
number
the
number
it
is
because
you
have
to
provide
spaces
for
cars
to
sit
while
they're
waiting
for
someone
to
come
pick
them
up.
H
Yeah
we
we
could.
We
could
try
to
look
at
that.
One
one
thing
we're
up
against
that's
a
that's
business
driven
is
any
vehicle
that
caliber
takes
possession
of
to
work
on
while
they
have
it.
It
has
to
remain
behind
a
locked
gate
for
insurance
reasons,
so
that
kind
of
presents
a
little
bit
of
a
problem
in
separating
customer
parking
versus
employee
versus
how
you
want
to
you
would
want
to
spread
them
out.
So
we
really
have
to
have
it
fenced
off
and
really
keep
it
closed.
Then,
from
a
security
standpoint.
B
F
H
A
So
I
have
two
related
questions.
One
is
regarding
the
fencing.
Did
we,
I
don't
remember,
did
we
get
anything
that
described
or
illustrated
what
the
fencing
looks
like
what
it
is?
And
my
second
question
is:
there's
a
whole
lot
of
pavement
here
and
I'm
just
curious
as
to
what
you're
doing
related
to
storm
water
management
on
the
site,
obviously,
water,
quality
and
water.
You
know
water
related
stormwater
issues
or
something
that
we
as
you.
F
H
H
A
H
The
fencing
yeah
right
now,
I've
just
got
it
labeled
as
a
six
foot
screen
fence.
As
for
what
material
that
is,
I
you
know
we're
open
to.
I
guess
whatever
would
kind
of
jive
with
the
rest
of
the
site.
Typically,
what
we
would
do
is
either
a
vinyl
set
like
a
white,
vinyl
fence
or
a
just
a
standard
wooden
screen
fence.
I
have
seen
some
decorative
options
in
the
past,
but
they
don't
offer
much
in
the
way
of
screening.
A
G
G
Yeah,
so
we
we
use
a
variety
so
like
calibers,
usually
their
first
pick
would
be
like
a
black
chain
link
fence
with
the
slats
on
it.
We
can
also
do
a
wood
privacy
fence,
a
white
vinyl
which
would
be
you
know
the
wood
and
the
white
vinyl
are
both
solid.
G
We've
also
done
a
decorative
metal
fence,
which
would
those
are
not
solid.
You
can
kind
of
see
through
it.
So
it's
really
lately
we
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
white
vinyl
or
wood
privacy
effects,
so
they
are
solid.
You
cannot
see
through
them.
E
G
Bring
up
an
example,
really
quick,
if
you
would
like
to
see
what
that
would
look
like.
G
Sorry
just
doing
similar
to
this,
where
it
just
has
that
would
be
the
black
with
the
black
chain
link
with
the
privacy
slots
in.
A
It
so
I
have.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
you
know
I
know
you're
proposing
potentially
a
change
in
your
elevations,
but
it
it
seems
like
there's
besides
it
being
all
metal
with
no
openings
on
swan,
no
river
road,
there's
no
landscaping
at
the
level
of
the
building,
except
for
at
the
back,
where
this
fence
is
that
correct.
H
A
I
don't
know
what
it
is
gas
meters,
maybe
I
don't
know
electric
panel
meters
on
the
swan
and
no
riverside
facade
as
my
understanding
and
and
then
there's
also
I
mean
you
have
some
screening
of
equipment,
but
you
have
a
bunch
of
chimneys.
It
seems
like.
Is
that
what
those
are
on
top
of
the
building.
A
I
know
we
didn't
finish
that
discussion,
but
you
have
both
buildings
on
a
monument
sign
or
freestanding
sign,
but
it's
my
understanding.
Those
are
internally
lit.
Is
that
correct?
A
Not
internally
lit
well,
I
mean
you
know
it's
it's
a
strongly
discouraged.
I
mean
again,
you
know
you
have
to
look
at
the
guidelines.
You
know,
I
know
you
have
prototypes,
but
you
know
in
right.
You
know
in
looking
at
the
guidelines,
we
look
for
adaptations
of
things
like
prototype
proposals,
so
you
know
what
you're
looking
at
ostensibly
doesn't
meet
the
spirit
of
the
guideline
in
terms
of
the
signage,
both
aesthetically
and
you
know,
in
terms
of
the
lighting,
particularly.
A
A
more
appropriate
example
be
like
I
don't
want
to
call
him
gooseneck,
but
like
a
light
that
kind
of
holds
over
the
sign.
C
C
G
Not
lit,
I
don't
see
any
lights
on
it
unless
they
just
don't
have
wet
signs
or
maybe
they're.
Maybe
there's
some
up
lighting
in
the
canopy.
G
C
Looking
for
weapons,
okay,
I
think
just
like
looking
at
the
building
a
couple
things
I
noticed
is
just
it
looks
like
there's
an
attempt
for
some
mechanical
screening,
but
then
other
but
there's
like
some
another
chimneys
but
like
tall
exhaust,
and
I
assume
they're
of
that
height,
because
that's
a
code
requirement,
that's
needed
for
your
building
type,
but
you
know
have
you
been
in
other
other
jurisdictions
where
they've
asked
you
to
screen
all
the
mechanical,
because
that
would
be
preferable.
G
Yes,
we
have
had
to
screen
the
mechanical
and
other
jurisdictions.
It's
usually
we
there's
either
mechanical
screening
or
we
end
up
having
to
raise
the
parapet
and
brenda
feel
free
to
jump
in.
If
you
want
to
discuss.
I
My
question
clarification
would
be
mechanical
versus
those
paint
chimneys
because
that's
quite
high.
C
E
C
E
I
have
one
of
those
on
my
woodworking
shop
actually
as
well.
They're
galvanized,
metal,
usually
and
right
they've
got
a
thing
on
the
top
that
opens
and
closes
as
the
the
fan
is
in
in
use,
particularly,
I
don't
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
the
others
on
the
committee
feel,
but
I
don't
object
to
them.
I
feel
like
it's.
E
It's
kind
of
it's
in
the
spirit
of
other
things
along
the
river
there
that
are
light
industrial
kind
of
things,
and
I
don't
think
just
having
a
facade
that
went
up
in
the
air
to
hide
them
would
wouldn't
necessarily
improve
the
looks
of
the
building
or,
and
certainly
in
another
way.
They
also
calls
to
the
purpose
of
the
building.
C
Well,
I
appreciate
that
joe
and
I'm
also
now
realizing
we're
already
going
to
be
like
13
feet
below
it
on
the
road.
So
I
was
just
looking
at
your
other
at
megan
at
your
photos
of
other
projects
from
like.
F
G
I
And,
and
also
just
to
go
back
because
my
my
phone
was
muted
when
we
were
discussing
the
elevation
materials,
and
I
didn't
unmute
myself
when
y'all
already
moved
on.
So
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
that.
I
It
is
a
prototypical
caliber
collision,
but
we
decided
to
move
forwards
with
this
middle,
as
is
because
we
thought
that
some
of
the
components
on
the
elevations
that
were
protocol
did
meet
the
intent
of
the
industrial
area,
given
the
fact
that
we
were
using
stacked,
stone,
efus
and
then
the
metal
along
the
sides
and
our
adjacent
buildings
also
have
those
characteristics
as
well,
and
that
was
a
lot
of
the
intent
of
that
code.
Was
that
we
kind
of
mesh
with
the
existing
except.
A
That
there
is
a
design
I
mean
some
of
the
buildings.
In
fact,
most
of
the
buildings,
except
maybe
aldi's,
predate
the
design,
review
committee
or
the
design
guidelines,
and
so
the
design
guidelines
are
to
move
move
design
forward.
So
that's
what
we
need
to
look
at
is
how
it
meets
the
design
guidelines,
not
necessarily
how
it
jives
with
something
that
may
have
been
there
for
40
years
or
50
years.
So
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
brenda,
but
I
just
I
just
want
you
to
know
that.
That's
what
we
need
to
look
at.
I
Okay-
and
I
I
do
apologize
if
I
missed
it,
but
I
was
looking
starting
on
page
nine
of
the
print
where,
at
the
end
of
the
numbers
is
page
nine.
It's
the
remainder
of
the
river
district,
which
is
where
I
was
told
that
we
needed
to
concentrate
our
efforts,
and
I
don't
see
just
from
moving
forward
from
any
revisions
that
we
need
to
incorporate
so
that
I
get
it
correct
sure.
What.
A
If
you
look
on
page
11-
and
I
I
don't
have-
I
can
open
the
guidelines
on
my
computer,
but
I
wrote
it
down.
This
is
where
new
buildings
are
built,
a
distinctive
character,
honoring,
the
older
and
longer
standing
architectural
traditions
of
the
riverfront
is
encouraged
for
new
and
existing
buildings.
Reference
may
be
made
to
the
character,
buildings
and
attachment
b
or
other
historical
documents.
A
A
I
C
C
It
has
windows
and
I
know
that's
your
office
side
and
that
the
plan
cannot
work
that
way.
So
then,
when
I
went-
and
I
was
studying
a
site
plan
and
just
that,
it's
like
a
completely
solid
wall
and
I've
been
reviewing
our
design
guidelines
today
to
to
figure
out,
we
don't
have
like
quantities
of
breakdown
in
proportion,
but
it's
been
something.
If
you
look
at
the
original
all
these
in
this
one,
they've
just
tried
to
break
up.
You
know
just
articulate
that
a
little
bit
and-
and
that
would
that's
not
a
requirement.
C
So
that's
something
we've
done,
but
one
thing
that
I
think
we
do
encourage
is
lighting
one
on
the
swan
another
riverside,
it's
one
of
the
river
road
side
on
the
building.
But
at
this
point
I'm
almost
questioning
like
do
we
would
you
want
on
the
wall
or
on
the
building?
C
I'm
still
trying
to
figure
out
what
how
it
feels
like
from
that
sidewalk
per
person.
You
know,
let's
just
it
was
a
pretty
big
blank
wall.
B
Yeah
and
related
to
that,
when
I
was
looking
just
refreshing,
my
memory
with
the
guidelines
you
know,
reading
about
how
we
have
something
in
there
about
long
runs
of
fence
being
broken
up
by
large
evergreen
trees
and
shrubs,
and
because
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
you
know
I'm
imagining
like
dogwoods
or
redbuds.
They
are
going
to
look
really
contrived
and
silly
out
there
doing
nothing
to
offset
the
impact
of
this
tall
wall,
which
you've
explained.
Why?
Why
it's
there?
B
But
thinking
about
that
and
you
know,
there's
really
not
a
lot
of
information.
Maybe
you
haven't
worked
it
out
yet
with
the
plant
species,
but
you
know
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
to
respond
to.
I
mean
I
see
a
small
ornamental
tree
and
I'm
assuming
you
guys
are
gonna.
B
You
know
look
at
the
the
plant
list
and
and
match
the
title
of
the
trees
with
the
the
selections
there,
but
wondering
if
there's
a
way
to
sort
of
instead
of
lining
them
up
all
along
there
like
soldiers,
maybe
like
creating
more
clusters
of
habitat
or
a
mixture
of
evergreens
and
and
the
deciduous
in
in
pockets
along
there.
It's
a
little
bit
more
of
a
naturalized
planting
that
maybe
makes
sense
down
in
a
river
area.
But
you
know
it's
it's.
B
I
understand
it's
an
industrial
commercial
setting,
but
maybe
there's
a
way
to
sort
of
soften
it
and
and
actually
create
something
a
little
bit
more
interesting
by
you
know,
combining
more
natural
landscaping
with
this
more
industrial
this
space
and
also
help
with
that
screening,
because
the
cost
to
screen
that,
to
the
degree
that
I
think
we
all
want
to
by
lining
it
up
is
going
to
be,
is
it'll,
be
expensive.
E
Let
me
say
this
add
one
thing:
I
wondered
if
it
would
be
possible
instead
of
just
having
the
one.
You
know
vertical
retaining
wall
which
may
need
to
be
there
right
below
the
edge
of
the
building
but
say
step
out,
maybe
even
four
or
five
feet
towards
swannanoa
river
road
with
a
lower
wall
that
would
break
up
that
vertical
distance
and
allow
for
some
plantings
can.
A
Yeah
joe
it's
in
the
flood
way,
I
think
they
explain
that
they
can't
do
a
vertical
structure
in
the
flood
flood
and
that's
where
the
difference
between
them
and
aldi's.
If
the
dashed
line
is
is
the
flood
way
is
right
at
the
wall
that
they
built
or
proposing
to
build.
So.
E
E
Okay,
well,
that
that
explains
that,
but
it
doesn't
doesn't
solve
the
big
vertical
wall,
but
anyway,
just
a
thought.
G
G
If
we,
if
there's
other
reasons,
we
didn't
want
to
go
that
route,
but
you
know,
I
think
our
thought
from
some
early
on
discussions
was
that
having
the
building
rotated
and
pushed
up
towards
the
road,
as
I
mentioned
before
kind
of
shields,
the
public
view
from
the
storage
parking,
if,
if
that
is,
if
that
is
not
a
major
concern,
if
we
rotate
the
building
90
degrees,
I
think
that
that
might
help
some
of
this
and
todd.
Please
interject,
if
I'm
not.
If
I'm
misspeaking.
H
G
H
B
Yeah,
I
think
we
understand
that
but
gosh
even
like
a
I'd,
be
in
favor
of
a
six
foot
wall
over
a
ten
foot
wall,
I
mean
any
little
any
I
mean
any
bit
at
this
point
I
think
would
really
help
and
then,
in
terms
of
screening
too,
it's
a
lot
easier
to
screen
something.
You
know
that's
six
feet,
then,
ten
with
with
the
challenge
of
the
overhead
utility.
A
G
A
green
screen
yeah,
what
about
a
mural,
have
have
you
ever
done
murals
and
it
kind
of
opens
up
the
town.
I
live
in
safety
harbor,
it's
kind
of
we
were
all
about
murals
and
then
then
we
weren't,
but
it
does
kind
of
help
break
up.
But
then
I
know
you
also
kind
of
open
yourselves
up
to
graffiti
and
vandalism,
so
it's
kind
of
a
catch
22.
Sometimes
it
looks
pretty
at
first
and
then
goes
downhill
like
a
month
later,
but
I
you
know
just
want
to
maybe
get
your
thoughts
on
that.
A
I
will
say
that
for
the
retaining
wall-
and
I.
F
A
That
question
to
one
of
my
reviewing
co-workers,
a
mural
doesn't
really
fit
the
screening
definition.
Okay,.
D
You
know
the
heart
river
arts
district
has
a
certain
look
in
a
certain
history
versus
you
spread
further
out
along
the
river.
So
I'm
just
wondering
when
we
take
pieces,
you
know
if
what
jane
was
referring
to
in
page
11
refers
to
every
section
of
the
river
or
are
there
certain
sections
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
certain
buildings
and
other
sessions
looking
at
other
buildings
because
they
have
different,
you
know
they
feel.
A
Jeremy,
you
know
that
the
guidelines
are
not
perfect,
but
that
you
know
that
is
what
it
states
under
the
other
areas
of
the
riverfront,
and
there
is
that
I
mean
that
sectional
page
11
that
talks
about
you
know
using
other
using
examples
from
the
river
for
that
you
know
in
the
core
area
to
take
it
along
the
riverfront
for
new
buildings.
You
know
to
pay
respect
to
it.
I
think
that
they're,
you
know
honoring
they
talk
about
honoring,
I
don't
think
they
say
duplicate,
they
say
honor
and.
D
A
Is
a
quarter
yeah,
it
does
then
reference
the
appendage,
your
attachment
be
which
is
sort
of
the
core
area.
So
that's
why
I
went
to
that
area
and
and
again
it's
in
that
same
paragraph,
you
know,
reference
may
be
made
to
the
character,
buildings
and
attachment
be
or
other
historical
documents.
So
I'm
again
I'm
just
reading.
What's
what
we're
mandated
to.
D
You
know
no,
it
sounds
like
you're
attached
with
an
originalist
sort
of
note
game,
but
it's
sort
of
you
can.
I
can.
I
don't
view
it
quite
that
specifically,
because
just
because
I
feel
like
these
different
areas
have
different
senses
to
them.
A
A
These
store,
which
was
under
the
design
guidelines
the
other
buildings
that
are
surrounding
it
aren't
right,
haven't
been
so
I
again
all
I
can
look
at
now
is
you
know
someone
you
know
who
hasn't
had
any
experience
with
the
other
buildings,
but
look
at
what
was
done.
It
sort
of
meets
this
kind
of
criteria.
It
is
a
literal
historic
building,
but
it
pays
some
honor
to
the
character
of
you
know
of
something.
A
F
A
F
G
A
So
that
just
see
both,
so
you
all
can
see
that
that's
the
one
that's-
and
this
is.
A
D
Point
is,
I
just
think
it's
I
think
I
learned
a
new
word
from
when
I
was
on
pnz
from
ms
hudson
simulacra.
D
I
think
trying
to
make
everything
look
a
certain
way
and
then
using
that
as
a
precedent
to
keep
it.
I,
like
certain
buildings,
look
better
with
metal
panels
based
on
what
their
actual
function
and
uses
and
certain
buildings
look
better
with
you
know
brick
and
miss.
I
I
don't
I
think,
for
this
use.
It
just
feels
more
appropriate.
D
E
I
kind
of
agree
with
jeremy
on
this
one
that
I
don't
see
why
everything
that's
built
has
to
have
red
brick.
It's
it's
just
the
metal
I
mean
they
may
have
masonry
for
the
retaining
wall,
but
the
rest
of
it
and
we're
just
talking
about
the
retaining
wall
now
or.
E
E
D
A
Perspective,
sorry-
and
this
is
sacha
from
a
staff
perspective-
I
I
think
metal
personally,
I
think
metal
is
an
appropriate
material
material,
but
I
shared-
and
I
said
this
at
the
pre-application
meeting-
the
the
blank
wall
expands,
I
think,
may
be
the
greater
concern
and
I
don't
know,
can
you
all
consider.
I
agree
windows
yeah
blank
wall
and
utilities.
I
mean
that's
what
we're
looking
at
as
we
drive
by.
I
A
little
bit
this
is
brenda.
The
architect
for
caliber
that
was
megan
was
trying
to
explain
that
to
try
to
get
more
of
a
of
a
frontage
on
the
corner.
We
were
going
to
flip
the
office
area
to
where
you'd
have
that
tower,
so
you
would
have
stone
and
efus
to
turn
that
corner
and
then
the
rest
of
it
would
be
the
metal
so
brenda.
I
G
G
So
right
I
will
just
you
know.
This
is
one
of
the
layouts
that
todd
had
mentioned
yeah.
We
have
moved
this
building
around
this
site.
I
don't
probably
too
many
times
and
I'd
like
to
say
todd,
probably
hates
me
for
it,
but
this
is
you.
I
don't
know
if
this
would
help
alleviate
some
of
that
concern
because
now
the
front
office,
so
the
primary
you
know
the
primary
facade
is
the
pretty
the
pretty
side
of
the
building.
F
B
Megan
with
this
scheme,
how
how
high
is
that
retaining
wall,
and
is
it
in
the
same
location.
G
Yeah,
so
there
is
retaining
wall
out
here
todd
I
don't.
You
know
it
might
be
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
lower
because
we'll
be
able
to
slope
a
little
bit
more
from
the
building,
but
it's
still
going
to
be
pretty
high.
H
You
go
up.
The
entrance
drive
it's
going
to
go
up
in
elevation
and
gain
height
and
by
the
time
you
get
to
where
that
head
and
parking
is
that
wall
is
probably
going
to
be
eight
to
nine
feet.
You
might
save
from
the
from
the
other
layout.
You
might
save
anywhere
between
a
foot
and
two
feet
or
something
like
that
and
I'm
just
kind
of
kind
of
spitballing
here,
because
I
don't
have.
I
haven't
designed
it,
but
yeah.
B
And
is
it,
is
there
any
space
to
terrace
it
then,
or
is
it
still?
I
can't
tell
is
that
still
at
that
floodway
yeah,
it's
still
set.
E
I
C
My
feedback
on
this
is
like
one
I,
I
think
all
of
us
on
this
committee
appreciate
it,
because
we
we
get
our
chance
to
be
on
the
flip
side
of
this
table
too.
So
we
we
know
that
it
can
be
really
tough
and
really
just
like
the
program
of
your
building
makes
it.
You
know
it's
a
challenge,
because
you
have
so
many
points
of
access,
so
even
like
ramping
and
having
stairs
and
ramps
to
get
to
that
elevation
aren't
really
feasible.
C
I
I
I'm
kind
of
appreciating
this
approach
more
and
I
know
it
forces
like
a
back
to
the
beginning,
but
it
it
comes
down
to
you
know.
The
way
it
was
cited
with
the
submission
is
like
we're.
Looking
at
the
back
of
the
building
right
and
because
the
front
of
the
building,
in
this
case
I
mean
the
side,
is
sort
of
the
front,
but
the
long,
the
long
part
of
the
back
and
jeremy.
C
I,
like,
I,
really
appreciate
all
this
conversation
and
I
I'm
sitting
there
thinking
like
you
know,
I
I
also
don't
love
it
when
someone
just
kind
of
tries
to
force
articulation,
but
I
think
part
of
our
charge
is
thinking
about
from
from
that
pedestrian
experience.
Even
the
vehicular
approach,
experience
and
sort
of
longevity.
C
So
in
a
way
the
fact
that
is
it
30
feet
back
this
wall
is
like
about
30
feet
back
or
is
it
farther.
H
C
Close
to
60
feet
so,
like
that's,
I
guess
helping
I,
you
know
I'm
kind
of
like
having
I'm
coming
to
terms
and
you
guys
have
been
looking
at
forever.
I'm
coming
to
terms
with
I'm
gonna
have
this
big
wall,
because
this
is
it's
zoned
and
allowed,
and
that's
great
and
that's
a
good
service
that
you
can
provide
so,
but
I
think
where
I'm
heading
is
like.
C
I
think
it's
kind
of
about
what
can
help
mitigate
that
wall
and-
and
maybe
it's
a
little
bit
less
about
like
creating
the
aligned
frontages
trying
to
think
of
what
you
know.
Future
developments
along
the
street
just
trying
to
to
kind
of
preserve
a
good
pedestrian
experience,
because
we
don't
know
how
that
that
whole
area
will
continue
to
develop
and
I'll
step
off.
That
was,
it
was
just
a
comment
to
say:
I'm
kind
of
I'm
liking
this
approach
a
little
bit
more
thinking
of
a
wall
going
from
nothing
up
to
nine
feet.
F
H
Based
on
our
experience,
we
can
plant
shrubs
and
small
trees,
but
what
I've
currently
shown
on
the
other
layout
is
completely
outside
of
the
msd
easement,
so
what
we
could
propose
would
be
kind
of
how
I
think
it
was
catherine
that
brought
this
up
about
some
clustering
and
moving
some
of
the
shrubs
or
trees
around.
We
could
certainly
facilitate
that
and
I
think
msd
would
be
amenable
to
if
we
had
a
little
bit
of
you
know
shrubbery
on
the
edges
of
their
easement.
D
A
H
A
H
E
Side
sasha,
let
me
ask
you
something:
if
I
might,
is
it
it's
not
that
easement
area
also
potentially
the
the
side
of
the
greenway
along
that
way,.
A
Oh,
that's
a
that's
a
great
question
and
I
stephanie
is
on
the
meeting
and
she
may
know
more
about
the
greenway
alignment
on
swannanoa
than
I
do.
E
K
Right
now,
but
it
is
just
a
prim,
I'm
sorry,
it's
just
a
preliminary
alignment,
but
that
is
the
intended
path
where
the
sidewalk
is.
That's
what
I
thought.
E
So
that
will
dedicate
quite
a
bit
of
that
space
at
some
point
in
that
path
goes
forward
just
getting
the
the
green
way
and
a
bike
path,
or
whatever
else
is
going
there,
but
it
will
have
its
own
plantings
too.
So
anyway,
just
a
thought.
A
I'm
just
looking
at
the
time
and
wondering
if,
if
the
committee
has
any
more
questions
for
the
applicant
in
regards
to
personnel,.
E
I
I
don't
have
any
other
questions.
I
I
welcome
this
new
business
and
actually
live
in
that
neighborhood,
so
I
think
it's
a
good
use
of
that
of
that
property.
From
my
perspective,.
A
I
and
I
I
guess
I
would
just
listening
to
comments
whether
you
know
it
would
be
appropriate
to
ask
the
applicant
look
at
the
committee.
Ask
the
applicant
to
hopefully
let
we
put
this
on
hold
and
that
they
re-look
at
the
orientation
parking
wall,
landscaping
based
on
comments,
maybe
the
signage
and
come
back
to
us,
or
we
take
a
vote
on
what
was
submitted.
A
Not
what
we're
looking
at
now
I
mean
not
changes,
I
mean
you
know
what
was
submitted,
so
it
would
be
my
recommendation
to
the
committee
to
consider
maybe
asking
the
applicant
to
take
our
comments
into
consideration.
A
D
A
I
would
be
in
favor
of
that
it
looks
like
lindsay
would
be.
I
don't
know
about
joe
and
kath
catherine
yourself.
I.
D
A
E
F
E
Okay,
with
the
building
oriented
the
way,
personally,
I'm
okay
with
it
oriented
the
way
they
have
it
on
their
site
plan
if
they
could
buffer
that
wall.
Somehow,
with
my
planet
plantings
or
something
like
that,
planting
a
planted
screen
a
climbing
screen
or
something
that
that
would
make
it
less
of
just
a
imposing.
C
Yeah
I
mean
like
I
was
just
running
through,
like
my
shorthand
check,
because
I
know
I
said
I
like
it
rotated,
but
I'm
also
not
the
one
that
has
to
go
back
and
do
that
work.
So
I
recognize
that
you
know.
When
I
look
at
our
check
like
a
unofficial
checklist,
we
should
have
a
checklist
buffer
check.
Parking
is
buffered
in
this
layout
check
a
distinctive
character.
I
wrote
you
know
not
fully
kind
of
recognizing
its
prototype.
C
I
don't
know
that
it
fully
engages
the
like
distinctive
character
of
our
our
buildings,
trees
to
visually
break
up
long
expanse.
That's
what
you
did
I
mean:
that's
that's
what
we
list
on
page
10
on
this
wall.
So
it's
like
it's
it's
in
compliance.
I
think
we're
just
struggling
with
the
wall.
The
on
the
one
you
answer
my
question
on
mechanical.
I
feel
convinced
of
the
paint
chimneys,
muted,
colors.
C
Yes,
so
really
the
one
thing
I
I
I'm
just
kind
of
like
it's
the
wall,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
have
a
guideline
that
says
it
other
than
if
they
they
break
it
up,
and
the
only
other
thing
I
can
think
to
consider
would
be
we
do
kind
of.
We
encourage
a
lit
building
facade
facing
for
manoa
and
that's
where,
like
all
these
had
done,
some
goose
neck
sconces,
but
depending
on
the
orientation
that
you
end
up
with.
C
I
I
wonder
if
it
should
be
the
wall
and
not
the
building,
you
know
I
don't
know
what
makes
sense,
but
that
I'm
just
trying
to
you
know
jane.
I
haven't
been
with
you
on
a
little
bit.
It's
like
we're,
always
we're
kind
of
I'm
trying
to
stick
to
our
guidelines
of
what
we
have,
even
though
we
know
they're
not
right.
But
to
me
it's
it's,
I
guess
I
would
love
to
understand
the
wall
better
and
that's
where
I'm
not
fully
ready
personally
to
vote.
C
A
A
And
my
committee,
I'm
looking
at
you
all
you're
in
agreement
with
doing
that
and
recommending
that.
Or
would
you
like
to
vote.
D
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
lindsay
you
just
did
a
terrific
explanation.
I
mean
my
question
was
more
based
on.
I
didn't
want
to
know
if
there
was
a
consensus
on
a
preference
one
way
or
another,
and
then
also
you
know
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant
yeah
for
our
use
this
this
configuration
before
working.
So
then,
maybe
you
know,
let's
see
if
they
can
address,
like
you,
said
a
3d
or
how
do
we?
How
do
we
treat
this
wall
this
length
space?
D
You
know
either
lit
up
or
something
you
know.
E
If
you
might
consider
something
besides,
just
the
black
chain
link
fence
with
the
slots,
maybe
even
just
another
color
that
was
you
know,
went
more
with
the
building
and
the
in
the
greenway
theme.
So
instead
of
black
black
on
black,
I
don't
know.
That's
just
that's
just
another
thought
on
my
part.
A
So
megan
brenda,
you
know
how
you
feel
about
going
back
and
coming
to
us
again
with
a
revised
scheme
or,
if
you
feel
like
you,
want
us
to
move
forward
with
what
you
originally
submitted.
G
Been
sitting
here,
thinking
about
that
because
I
mean
there's
benefits
to
rotating
it.
You
know,
honestly,
I
think
part
of
what
led
us
towards
this
layout
was
some
of
the
upfront
conversations
and
thinking
that
this
would
be
more
in
line
with
what
you
were
looking
for.
But
if
you
you
know,
if
you
are
okay
with
the
building
being
rotated
90,
there
are
some
benefits
I
think
to
us
of
having
that
orientation.
G
It's
certainly
better
for
customer
parking
and
visibility
for
caliber.
I
would
you
know
with
the
retaining
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
balance
for
this,
I'm
going
to
be
honest,
this
site.
This
side
is
a
stretch
to
begin
with
because
of
the
elevation
challenges
and
we
are
in
a
flood
flood
way
or
a
flood
zone.
G
You
know
there.
There
are
options,
there's
some
options
for
reducing
the
site.
We
have
to
flood
proof,
but
that
poses
lots
of
other
issues
and
concerns.
So
we
were
trying
to
stay
away
from
that,
but
you
know
if
it's
a
toss-up
between
rotating
the
building
and
kind
of
going
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
maybe
coming
up
with
something
that's
better
for
all
of
us.
I
would
probably
prefer
to
do
that.
Then
try
and
you
know,
dress
up
the
facade
and
you
try
and
dress
up
a
retaining
wall.
G
You
know,
I
just
don't
know
how
that's
gonna.
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
good
way
to
do
that.
Honestly,
I
do
like
the
green
screen
idea.
I
know
starbucks.
Does
that
a
lot
and
it
it
looks.
I
think
it
looks.
It
looks
nice,
especially
when
the
plants
get
really
mature.
D
It's
not
just
the
wall,
though
you're
dealing
with
this
wall
150
feet
or
whatever
many
feet,
and
then
you've
got
building
walls.
So
you've
got
these
two
blankets
sitting
up
on
top
of
each
other
to
address
our
comment
would
be
be
careful.
What
we
wish
for
on
one
hand
this
this
achieves
hiding
the
use.
You
know
all
the
cars
and
the
storage
of
the
cars
if
they
come
back
and
do
the
work
and
flip
it
and
we
satisfy
one
area
we've
now
just
created.
You
know
just
be
happy
with
that
solution.
A
But
yeah,
but
what
you're
megan,
what
you
showed
them
had
that
parking
that
storage
lot
still
sort
of
to
the
back
part
of
the
I
mean
behind
yeah,
so
I
mean
it's
still
back
and
it
still
has
a
wall
around
it
right.
I
mean
your
fence
around
it
with
screen
right.
G
So
the
fence
would
so
the,
and
then
I
don't
know
if
we
provided
an
example
that
has
like
the
white
vinyl
or
shows
so
that
when
we
do
the
privacy
fence,
which
it
would
extend
so
I
can
draw
on
here
if
that
would
help
the
privacy
fence
and
jeremy,
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
that
was
going
to
be.
G
My
next
question
is,
like
you
know:
if
we
switch
it,
I
kind
of
want
to
flush
out,
maybe
some
of
the
other
concerns
that
could
pop
up,
so
that
red
line
that
I
just
drew
is
approximately
what
would
be
the
privacy
fence
when
we
do
whether
it's
the
black
the
chain
link
black
with
flats?
G
That
would
probably
be
the
least
you
know
it's
not
as
opaque
when
we
do
the
white
vinyl
privacy
fence,
you
can't
see
anything
behind
it
unless
you're,
like
climbing
up
over
the
fence
or
flying
over
you're,
not
going
to
see
what's
behind
it
and
then
especially
being
set
back
this
far
off
of
the
you
know
the
primary
road.
You
wouldn't
really
see
anything
behind
it,
but
you
know
it
does
now
a
paper
standpoint.
G
A
So
megan
it
looks
like
you
could
landscape
in
front
of,
at
least
on
the
the
driveway
coming
up.
There's
a
large,
u-shape
or
oval
shape.
You
could
landscape
that
you
could
also,
instead
of
running
the
fence
in
a
linear
along
trucker's
place,
you
could
in
a
sense
step
it
and
have
areas
of
planting
which
are
now
on
the
inside.
You
know
that
there's
some
landscape
area
on
the
inside
of
the
parking
area,
but
you
could
put
it
on
the
outside
and
use
that
to
to
screen
it
with
some
vegetative
materials
as
well.
G
A
G
Would
you
so
now
the
you
know
the
longer
facade
is
now
going
to
be
facing
the
east,
so
you
know
are:
are
there
going
to
be
concern
now?
Are
there
going
to
be
concerns
about
traffic
coming?
I
don't
want
to
create
problems
for
myself,
but
I
sit
on
the
planning
and
zoning
board
in
my
city.
G
So
I
know
like
these
are
all
you
know
eventually
we're
going
to
get
there,
so
I
might
as
well
just
ask
it,
but
you
know,
are
you
going
to
be
concerned
about
the
view
coming
what
you
know
heading
westbound,
on
swan?
F
G
I
think
considering
the
floodway
it
does
extend
down.
It
looks
like
the
same
distance
oscillating
to
the
east.
You
know
considering
that
any
building
future
building
on
this
side,
if
it
ever
redeveloped,
would
be
pushed
back,
so
I
think
it
would
block
it.
I
know
the
existing
building
is
set
farther
back,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
block
it
anyways.
I
just
want
to
ask
because.
B
Well,
your
first,
the
option
that
you
presented
had
less
room
for
for
any
sort
of
plantings.
On
that
side.
This
actually
provides
more.
So
I
think
you
have
even
more
flexibility
on
that
side
than
you
did
within
this
scheme.
A
A
So
I
think
it
sounds
like.
Maybe
you
could
look
at
this-
that
there
are
some
opportunities,
some
positives
both
for
your
you
as
a
client
and
for
us
as
a
committee,
in
terms
of
maybe
tweaking
this
somewhat
and
coming
back
at
a
later
meeting
to
show
us-
and
you
know,
working
with
staff
in
between
on
that.
If
you
have
questions.
G
Okay-
and
I
guess,
as
we
work
through
this-
is
there
an
opportunity
to
get
prelim
feedback
from
from
the
committee
so
that
we're
heading
in
you
know
so
that
we're
sure
that
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction-
or
I
don't
know
how
the
process
is
set
up.
If
this
is
a
public
forum-
and
we
have
to
do
it
under
this
or
if
you're
allowed
to
comment,
let
sasha
answer
that
one.
A
Yeah
and
we-
and
we
did
this
a
little
bit
before
I
can
send
out
anything-
you
want
and
remember,
to
respond
individually
to
me
and
I'll,
send
it
on
to
you
or,
however,
but
we
just,
we
can't
have
group
emails
where
you
know
so
no
decisions
can
be
made
by
email.
A
I
do
think
that
it's
helpful
that
we've
had
this
meeting,
so
people
are
more
familiar
and
they
might
be
able
to
give
feedback
pretty
quickly.
I
think
before
people
are
all
these
folks
are
really
busy
folks,
and
so
they
had
a
hard
time
finding
time,
look
at
your
drawings
and
understand
them,
but
now
that
we've
had
this
longer
meeting,
I
think
folks
really
understand
it
at
a
good
level.
A
I
A
I
would
I
would
say
from
my
person
I'll
just
speak
for
myself.
I
have,
I
think
the
fact
that
there's
glazing
and
windows
and
some
masonry
of
some
sort
facing
the
public
view
meets
better.
A
G
D
F
G
H
No,
but
when
I,
when
I
drew
that
up,
you
know
you
and
I
are
going
back
and
forth
on
so
many
different
concepts.
I
did
check
the
code
and,
based
on
what
I
found
based
off
of
the
use
of
trucker's
place
and
the
classification
of
swannanoa,
I
feel
fairly
confident
that
it
meets
the
spacing.
But
you
know
sometimes
the
code
and
and
how
it's
interpreted
can
be
can
be
different,
so
I'll
definitely
reach
out
to
them
and
confirm.
But
as
of
right
now,
that's
drawn
per
the
manual.
F
J
G
H
I
I
don't
really
think
so.
I
mean
to
me:
there's
there's
an
elephant
in
the
room,
but
I
don't
know
that
it's
related
to
this
committee.
H
A
J
Asheville
hi:
this
is
dave
hazard
with
the
city
they
do
allow
for
areas
of
safe
dispersal.
When
you
can't
get
to
a
public
right-of-way.
I
don't
know
what
those
standards
exactly
are,
but
from
an
ada
perspective
you
would
have
to
have
an
ada
route
to
an
area
of
safe
dispersal
and
they
do
allow
them
on
site
if
you
can't
get
to
a
public
right
of
way
through
an
ada
route.
J
So,
but
we
do
have
out
you
know
ways.
As
jane
said,
we
are
in
the
mountains,
it's
it's
challenging,
to
say
the
least
to
that
time.
So
there
are
ways
to
accommodate
that
that
ada
requirement
without
getting
to
the
public
right
of
way.
A
G
So
if
we
use,
I
guess
just
just
some
specific
directive
that
we're
gonna
head
in
we're
gonna
go
if
we
decide
that
we're
not
going
to
do
a
vote.
Are
you
all
just
like
you're
not
going
to
do
a
vote,
then
we
would
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
with
the
rotated
layout
that
we
have
shown
confirm
we're
going
to
confirm.
Just,
I
think
the
first.
G
A
Well,
sasha
maybe
can
direct
it,
but
I
would
I
say:
we've
had
our
discussion.
You
know
we
have
to
have
a
public
meeting,
but
I
think
we've
been
through
it.
If
nothing
has
changed
or
nothing
is
proposed
to
be
changed.
We
have
the
information
I
would
assume
we
could
vote
on
it.
A
Based
on
that,
unless
there's
new
information
or
new
comment
right,
sasha
right
now
sure-
or
you
mean
at
another
meeting-
is
that
what
you
mean
yeah
if
it's
continued,
but
it
doesn't
change
and
they
have
to
based
on
what
they
find
out.
They
have
to
just
I'm
sorry,
but
you
know
our
original
plan
is
this
and
then
we
can
vote
on
it.
I
mean
we
have
mentioned
a
couple
of
things
and
you
have
mentioned
a
couple
of
things
you
know
specifically,
I
would
say
the
lighting
lighting
of
your
signage.
A
You
talked
about,
maybe
rotating
your
entrance.
I
mean
if
you
had
to
come
back.
If
you
were
going
to
do
those
kinds
of
things,
it'd
be
good
to
submit
them,
but
you
know
I,
I
think
it'll
be
much
shorter
meeting.
It
can
be
handled.
You
know
relatively
fast
exactly.
I
think
the
committee's,
given
enough
input
on
enough
issues
that,
even
if
you
couldn't
change
the
layout,
that
there
may
be
a
benefit
to
just
having
a
review
with
additional
information,
and
you
would
get
a
more
positive
vote
than
if
you
voted
today.
D
D
A
I
think
it's
a
public,
I
think
it's
a
public
vote.
It
has
to
be
in
a
meeting.
I
would
assume
sasha
right.
Well,
I
think
what
jeremy's
asking
is.
Does
the
udo
require
this
committee
to
take
a
vote
and
I
think,
strictly
speaking,
the
answer
is
probably
no
and
stephanie
I
think,
is
still
in
the
meeting
she
may
be
able
to
speak
to
that
more.
I
think
when
it
goes
to
the
full
commission,
it's
a
much
stronger
application.
A
When
there's
been
a
vote
at
this
committee
and
it's
been
fully
vetted-
I
guess
I
would
say
I
think
if
you,
if
the,
if
the
applicant
said
we
just
don't
have
time,
we
can't
come
back.
That's
one
thing.
You
know,
I
think
I
think
the
committee
is
asking
you
if
you're
willing
to
come
back
if
you
flip
it
or
not,
either
way-
and
I
think
the
question
is
really
to
you
all:
can
you
come
back
for
additional
consideration
and
stephanie?
I
don't
know
if
you
have
something
to
add
to
that.
K
A
K
K
E
That
clarifies
things
I
I
wanted
to
suggest
one
thing
that
that
would
be
helpful
to
me,
even
if
you
leave
the
building
the
oriented
the
way
it
is
on
your
drawings.
If
you
would
give
us
some
updated
elevation
that
actually
control
the
retaining
wall
and
the
trees
from
the
swan
ordered
over
a
road
and
any
ideas,
you
have
about
buffering
that
wall
with
with
flattings.
A
Right
and
I'm
not
so
I'm
not
trying
to
put
the
team
on
the
spot
here,
but
I
think
it's
really.
You
all
have
a
decision
to
make
and
I
think
we
could
arrange
a
meeting
next
month.
If
that's
what
works
best,
you
know,
yeah
I
mean
I
would
look
to
the
applicant.
You
know
to
guide
that
you
know
I
don't
want
to
push
them
if
they
can't
do
it.
So
you
know
I
mean
we
meet
monthly
megan.
A
You
know
if
you
can,
if
you
can
get
the
information
in
a
timely
manner
to
sasha,
so
that
we
have
time
to
review
prior
to
a
meeting,
provide
any
comment
back.
You
know
to
sasha
we'll
do
that.
Usually
at
least
you
know
good
to
have
at
least
10
days
before
our
meeting
sasha
can
give
you
those
dates.
But
if
not
we
we
meet
every
month
so
and
and
this
meeting
is
got
delayed
because
of
weather,
so
so
we're
meeting
a
little
late,
we'll
be
meeting,
maybe
quicker.
A
G
Okay,
yeah-
and
I
guess
when
when
is
the
next
commission
date
and
deadline
for
to
be
on
that
agenda.
A
K
So
what
I
would
say
is
yeah
the
the
next
commission
meeting
is
scheduled
for
the
28th,
but
that
was
based
on
the
full
commission
seeing
the
business
of
these
design
review
items.
A
That
staff
get
with
the
applicant
on
these
days,
because
I
mean
it's
confusing
to
us,
because
you
know
there's
the
commission
and
there's
the
committee
and
whether
the
committee
is
meeting
part
of
the
commission.
It
sounds
like
you're
just
going
right
to
the
commission,
so
I
mean
maybe
lay
out
the
scenario
and
copy
the
committee
on.
A
G
I
G
A
And
we
appreciate
that
megan
and
you
know
that's
why
I
say
you
know
work
with
staff
and
you
know
they'll
direct
you
as
to
the
dates
that
are
potential
for
what
you
know.
I
mean
they're
different
scenarios
so
that
they're
presenting
so
I
think
they
need
to
work
with
you
on
that.
A
So,
if
that's
the
direction,
I
I
thank
you
megan
todd,
brenda
everybody
that,
from
your
team,
for
your
presentation,
your
time
and
patience
and
providing
us
with
information
discussing
alternatives.
So
steph,
I'm
looking
at
the
time,
is
5
41
your
thoughts
and
and
committee
into
doing
any
more
business.
I
know
you.
I
talked
about
potentially
talking
about
the
grant
center,
but
at
this
late
date
I
don't
know
if
that's
appropriate
or
not.
A
Well,
I
guess
what
I
would
yeah,
I
don't.
We
don't
have
to
keep
going
and
megan
and
your
team
you're
you're
free
to
exit
out.
If
you
like,
I
guess
the
question
for
the
community
is:
I
sent
you
material
clothes
on
the
grant
center.
They
provided
additional
materials
based
on
the
list
of
questions
that
you
all
raised
at
your
last
meeting,
things
like
hand
rails.
A
What
does
the
bridge
look
like
seat
walls,
screening
materials,
screening
of
mechanicals
is
the
shade
staying
over
the
basketball
court,
all
those
things
so
they've
provided
all
that
information.
Now
the
big
change.
Obviously,
if
you've
looked
at
the
plans
is
there's
an
addition.
There's
a
swimming
pool
and
so
that's
a
big
change
and
I
did
not
ask
the
project
managers.
I
was
talking
them
today.
I
did
not
ask
them
if
they
were
under
a
tight
timeline
right
now.
It's
scheduled
to
come
to
the
full
commission
in
two
weeks
and
they're
prepared
to
present.
A
So
your
last,
you
did
take
a
vote
on
the
project,
which
was
a
positive
vote.
Did
have
this
major
change?
What
do
you
all
think
about
that?
I
mean.
Are
you
I
mean?
I
guess
you
could
all
send
me
individual
comments
between
now
in
the
next
like
the
next
week.
Let's
say
I
have
a
staff
report
started
and
you
know
80
done.
K
A
On
the
site
I
mean
there
was
you
know,
and
I
have
to
be
careful
because
I
was
involved
with
the
first
design,
so
I
don't
want
it
to
seem
like
I'm
sour
grouping,
you
know-
or
you
know
complaining,
but
I
am
concerned
about
how
that
water
gets
back
to
the
river,
and
I
don't
see
I
mean
I
see
where
the
new
building
is
being.
A
You
know
transferred
water
into
various
storm
water
management
systems,
but
I
see
them
getting
rid
of
the
storm
water
management
for
the
first
phase
of
the
project,
which
was
significant,
and
you
know,
I've
asked
staff
about
the
leed
certification
because
I'm
wondering
just
does
the
city
lose
its
leed
certification?
A
If
it
does
some
of
these
things,
which
were
part
of
the
approval
for
the
first
phase
and
and
you
know
which
one
awards
from
the
state
lsa
asla.
So
you
know
I'm
wondering
where
all
that
water
goes.
I
mean
that
that
first
building
is
being
literally
cut
off,
the
drainage
sway
was
gone,
and
so
I
do
not
know
how
that
is
being
handled.
So
I'm
I'm
very
I'm
very
concerned
about
that.
That's
just
one
aspect,
I'm
concerned
about
you
know
the
screening
of
the
pool
and
how
that
pool
was.
I
mean.
A
D
C
A
A
You
know
substantial
amount
of
money
to
build
and
purify
the
water
that
eventually
gets
into
nasty
branch.
And
again
you
know
I
know
they're
trying
to
do
some
of
that
with
the
nudes.
Then
you
design.
So
you
know
I'm
not
question,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
it.
You
know
because
it
disappeared,
you
know,
and
now
we
have
more
parking,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
it
out
where.
B
Did
that
go
so
that
so
I'm
I
wasn't
at
that
meeting
and
I'm
sorry.
I
missed
the
meeting
back
in
august
and
I
have
some
comments
just
for
plant
species.
I
can
just
type
those
up
and
share
those
instead
of
going
through
that
and
they're
all
they're.
All
you
know
pretty
there's
a
lot
of
little
things,
but
again
nothing
that
would
hold
up.
Like
a
you
know,
a
positive
positive
vote,
but
the
stormwater
you
know,
echoing
danes,
it
I
see
these.
B
B
It's
unclear,
though,
from
the
drawings
what
storm
water
that's
actually
handling,
because
the
rest
of
the
site
is
all
at
least
from
my
interpretation
of
the
drawings
is
all
basically
just
going
into
gray
typical
gray
infrastructure,
which
is
disappointing,
because
this
started
out
as
a
real
hallmark
project
for
how
to
manage
how
to
incorporate
green
infrastructure
into
into
our
our
city,
landscapes
and-
and
it
seems
like
a
big
step
back
and
I
feel
like,
and
I
wonder
if
it
has
to
do
with
cost
or
what.
But
it
seems
like
a
lot.
F
B
Landscape
architecture
is
really
nice
and
I'm
sure
that
that's
not-
I
just
don't
want
us
to
give
up
on
really
meaningful
things
like
green
infrastructure
for
colorful
pavement
and
like
something
that's
really
like
exciting
to
look
at,
because
that
really
was
a
really.
That
was
an
important
step,
and
this
feels
like
a
step
backwards.
A
B
At
myself,
so
all
the
parking
all
the
parking
lot
now,
it's
basically
going
in
one
catchment
basement
and
then
basin
into
detention,
there's
a
large
underground
scm
on
the
rear
of
the
building.
I
don't
know
is
that
handling
all
the
building
storm
water,
I'm
not
sure,
and
then
those
by
retention
spills,
I'm
not
sure
what
those
anyways
I
wasn't
at
the
first
meeting,
so
I
don't
feel
like
either.
You
know
I
can
say
a
whole
lot,
but
I
I
would
support
that
this.
A
A
I
think
there
is
some
additional
parking
due
to
the
swimming
pool.
I
will
say
that
I
did
talk
to
them
the
city
staff
today
and
they
are
taking
into
account
any.
I
was
going
to
see
what
the
wording
we
said.
You
know
all
the
impacts
to
the
you
know
the
lead
components
of
the
last
of
the.
How
is
are
being
mitigated
on
the
site,
so
they
are
looking
very
carefully
at
that
and
you
know
there's
a
lead,
ap
working
on
the
architect's
lead.
A
A
To
have
that
information,
I
don't
see
it
on
the
drawing
so
the
gym.
Apparently
you
know
as
they've
that
gym
is
in
terms
of
costs.
That
gym
is
as
small
as
it
can
get
in
terms
of
having
a
standard
basketball
court.
They
have,
you
know,
really
trimmed
it
back
as
far
as
they
can
so
yeah,
and
I
don't
I
don't
yeah
I'll.
K
A
A
F
K
Appreciate
it,
but
y'all
have
been
saying
this
whole
time
that
you
want
to
follow
your
guidelines
only
so,
whereas
before
we
we
have
been
having
a
conversation,
do
we
follow
the
guidelines
only
or
do
we
follow
the
principles
that
we
know
are
are
what
we're
trying
to
reach
for
in
the
riverfront,
so
so
this
is
an
ongoing
conversation.
This
is
a
great
example
of
how
maybe
we
can
use
this
as
a
case
study
for
amending
our
guidelines
and
just
adding
in
stormwater
management.
If
that's
what
you
guys
want
to
do,.
F
D
D
A
Well,
there's
no
right
answer,
you
know,
I
mean
there's
always
a
lot
of
different
design
options
that
one
looks
at
you
know
I
you
know,
I'm
sure
they
picked
what
they
thought
was
you
know
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
second
guessing
them.
They
picked
something
they
thought
was
probably
the
best
for
them,
but
whether
it
it
solves
all
the
problems
or
not,
I
don't
know
you
know
or
creates
more
problems.
I
don't
know
it's
a
large
site,
there's
lots
of
opportunities
for
different
things.
A
A
D
C
What's
the
hat,
what's
the
hat
to
wear
in
this,
so
I
did
not
have
the
storm
water
questions,
but
I
don't
have
the
eye
shape,
jane
and
kate,
like
your
your
eye
towards
that,
and
obviously
you
know
that
site
really
really
well
and
that
that
stuck
out
to
you
I
had
like
you
know
I
was
thinking
about
the
fence,
but
on
the
last
project
we
just
I
mean,
I
think
it's
okay,
I
think
like
I
wouldn't
want
to
not
let
the
community
have
a
pool
because
we
want
like
a
more
expensive
fence
and
as
long
as
it
fits
in
our
guidelines
right
like
the
only
and
the
only
thing
that
kept
sticking
in
my
mind,
which
was
joe's
comment
last
time
was
like,
should
they
put
something
up
in
front
of
the
basketball
court?
C
So
they
don't
run
out
of
the
parking
lot
and
maybe
it
will
slow
down
at
the
bios
whale.
But
that
was
that's
like
a
really
programmatic
little
thing,
but
I
I
think
we
talked
about
it
and
then
maybe
dorothea
was
like.
Maybe
I'll
think
about
it,
but
I
don't
know
that
that's
even
in
our
round,
so
I
didn't
and
I
mean
I
think
they
added
the
screening
right
on
the
roof
and
they
didn't
have
that.
The
first
time
to
that
yes
and
that's
important.
A
It's
detailed
anyway
and
the
fence
around
the
pool
similar
it
says
in
there,
it'll
be
similar
to
other
pools
and
I
live
near
melbourne,
hills
pool
and
it's
basically
a
black
fence
and
it's
pretty
high.
But
it's
it's.
C
Yeah
yeah
so
so
yeah,
the
stormwater
might
be
the
bigger
topic
for
the
commission
then,
but
in
terms
of
what
they
presented
this
time
versus
last
time.
A
There
were
some
questions
I
had
about
potential
sidewalks
that
aren't
shown
on
the
plan.
That
just
was
curious.
I
mean
exits
that
don't
go
anywhere,
whether
they
had
to
go
to
a
right
or
public
public
right-of-way
from
the
building,
particularly
on
the
southeast
west
side.
A
I
thought
I
saw
something
on
one
plane,
then
it
didn't
show
up
on
others,
and
that
was
like
well,
I
wasn't
sure
so
it
just
in
their
exits,
but
I
did
they
just
kind
of
empty
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
they
needed
to
go
to
a
public
right-of-way
as
the
egress.
So,
okay.
A
On
most
of
the
back
side,
but
not
when
there
is
a
sidewalk
on
the
back
side
of
the
building-
and
maybe
I'm
missing
it
so,
but
the
basketball
court
yeah,
no,
the
other
side
towards
the
pool.
C
The
architectural
plan
looks
like
it's
still
showing
a
building
on
the
around
the
basketball
court,
but
we
knew
it
wasn't
so
I
mean
they're
still
showing
like
walls,
but
I
think.
A
H
A
Sure
we
get
that
information
yeah
there
was
that
did
look
like
a
masonry
wall
around
the
basketball
court
and
that's
not
called
out,
but.
A
F
A
Do
you
know
what
page
that
is,
we'll
see
six
six,
maybe
six
or
seven,
and
it
was.
F
A
Let's
see
I'm
drawing
on
my
screen,
but
on
the
left
bottom
of
the
pool
sort
of
on
that.
A
K
Yeah,
it's
it's
just
literally
a
square
sasha,
that's
kind
of
in
the
the
negative
space
between.
K
A
C
Time
thing,
thank
you
if
this
goes
on
and
and
we
need
to
join
again,
I
will
prioritize
and
and
so
happy
new
year,
bye-bye.
A
A
I
will
adjourn
the
meeting
unless
there
are
any
objections,
there's
so
few
of
us
left.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
Kate,.