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B
Thank
you
good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Brian
Moffett
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
meeting
of
the
Asheville
downtown
commission
for
October
14th
2022.
The
Asheville
downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
Urban
Center
of
Western
North
Carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
B
In
addition,
downtown
Commissioners
currently
fill
four
out
of
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design,
Review
Committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district,
the
river
Arts,
District
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
continuing
to
participate.
Virtually.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
B
B
You
folks
know
the
drill,
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
unmute
your
microphone
and
remember
to
re-mute
your
microphone
when
you
are
done
speaking
committee
members
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
Andrew
Fletcher
Vice
chair
good
morning,
good
morning,
tal
Frankfurt
good
morning,
good
morning,
Kimberly
Hunter.
B
Did
Stephen
Lee
Johnson
get
a
chance
to
log
in
I,
didn't
see
him
Dana?
Is
he
here?
B
No
okay,
I
am
here
Robin
Raines.
E
B
Morning,
I
don't
think
I
saw,
Geo
did
I
guermo
Rodriguez,
okay,
Ricardo
Sayo.
B
Ruth
Summers
is
not
able
to
attend
Sage
Turner,
our
city
council
liaison.
B
Good
morning,
thank
you
all
right,
I
will
start
the
committee
agenda
items
to
help
our
audience.
Follow
along
I
will
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
we
will
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
Committee.
Members,
you
know,
try
to
raise
your
hand
to
speak
and
I'll
do
my
best
to
keep
up
all
right.
So
with
that
we
will
move
into
our
approval
of
minutes.
You
should
have
had
a
chance
to
review
the
draft
action
minutes
from
our
August
12th
meeting,
oh
by
the
way,
welcome
back
Dana.
B
B
You
this
is
going
to
be
a
fast
meeting.
I
can
tell
we're
all
awake,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
Megan
and
a
second
by
Robin
I
will
go
through
the
roll
call
Andrew
aye.
Thank
you.
Kyle
aye
Kimberly.
B
You
I
am
an
eye
Robin
aye,
Megan,
I,
Ricardo
and
Sage
hi.
Thank
you
that
motion
passes
I,
don't
think
we'll
do
public
comment
as
we
get
there.
There's
no
I'm
not
aware
of
any
Current
public
comment
on
anything
correct,
not.
B
Okay,
we're
going
to
make
a
slight
adjustment
in
our
new
business
schedule,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
our
remote
in-person
meeting
discussion
first
before
our
project
review
of
the
Aston
and
Sawyer
micro
housing
to
make
sure
that
we
get
that
before
anyone
has
to
jump
off.
I
think
Sage
had
to
jump
off
a
little
early.
I
was
hoping
Stephen
Lee
was
going
to
be
here,
I
think,
as
you
should
have
seen
in
The
Advisory
Board.
B
The
city
council
has
adopted
a
remote
meeting
policy
for
all
Council
appointed
advisory
boards,
and
so
this
goes
into
effect
on
October
30th.
So
this
is
our
meeting
to
make
our
our
vote.
B
The
default
will
be
to
go
back
to
fully
in-person
meetings
and
if
we
wish
to
hold
a
remote
to
continue
to
hold
remote
meetings,
we
can
do
so,
but
we
would
need
eight
positive
votes
for
that.
If
I'm
doing
my
math
correctly
correctly,
it
needs
to
be
a
two-thirds
super
majority,
basically
a
two-thirds
vote
of
our
11
current
members.
B
So
any
any
quick
discussion
on
that
we've
been
doing
this
together
for
quite
a
while
remotely.
There
are
positives,
pros
and
cons,
I
guess
for
for
both
from
my
perspective,
I
think
remote
meetings
allow
public
participation
and
comment
for
a
lot
of
people
who
wouldn't
be
able
to
travel
to
these
meetings
for
as
far
as
the
public
goes,
we
are
not
currently
set
up
to
do
hybrid
meetings.
B
So
if
we
went
to
a
fully
in-person
meetings,
that
kind
of
public
participation
would
be
limited,
in
other
words,
we're
not
we
we
do
not
currently
have
the
capacity
staff
technology
to
do
a
hybrid
in
person
and
a
remote
meeting
is
my
understanding.
So
any
any
quick
discussion
or
thoughts
on
that.
I
Is
the
room
to
do
a
hybrid
like
in
person,
maybe
every
three
meetings,
or
before
meetings
or.
B
Those
enough
to
be
so
so
the
way
the
the
what
city
council
voted
is
that
the
default
will
be
for
this,
and
if
we
would
voted
to
go
remote,
it
would
be
that
way
for
a
year
if
I
remember
that
correctly,
that's.
E
B
That
is
for
the
next
12
months
and
then
we
would
make
you
know.
We'd
have
to
do
another.
Another
vote
at
that
time.
If
we
were
going
to
stay,
I
saw
a
hand
go
ahead.
Dana,
that's.
H
Me
yeah,
that's
correct,
we
could
hold
in
person
or
we
could
hold
special
meetings
that
could
be
different
than
what
you
all
decided
to
do
for
the
next
year.
Those
have
to
be
noticed
well
in
advance,
and
it
should
you
know
ideally
be
for
a
special
purpose
to
change
the
format
of
that
meeting.
But
that
is
possible.
B
B
I
would
like
to
see
you
I
think
there's
a
ton
of
information
that
is
missed
even
doing
video
chat
versus
in
person
and
I
would
appreciate
being
able
to
be
in
person,
but
I
personally
believe
that
the
the
positives
to
the
public
outweigh
our
ability
to
meet
in
person.
That's
my
that's
my
take
on
it.
B
It
makes
it
easier
for
people
to
to
attend
and
View
and
and
then
participate,
go
ahead.
Andrew.
I
Yeah
I'm,
in
complete
agreement
with
you,
I,
do
think
that
the
work
of
the
commission
is
is
better
done
when
we're
all
in
the
same
room
together,
but
until
we
have
until
those
types
of
meetings
are
just
as
open
and
accessible
as
these
types
of
meetings,
then
I
want
to
stay
the
course
with
public
accessibility,
and
you
know
if
we
need
to
have
a
retreat
and
need
to
work
in
person
over
the
winter.
I
B
Thank
you,
I
can't
tell
who
went
well,
I
can
I,
can
press
a
button,
I
think
Megan
and
then
Kimberly.
C
Yeah
thanks
I
agree.
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
could
help
us
determine
special
meetings.
Is
any
projects
we're
seeing
the
materials
because
that's
one,
that's
just
I
prefer
absolutely
to
meet
remotely
because
of
public
needs
and
that's
hands
down
I'm
not
going
to
vote
differently.
I
will
say
one
of
the
aspects
that
has
gone
missing.
C
I
know
we
don't
review
a
lot
of
projects
for
materials
DRC.
Does
that
and
officially
does
that
work,
but
sometimes
I
think
when
it's
a
bigger
project
and
there's
more
stakeholders
involved
and
more
components,
it
could
be
a
good
use
of
that
special
special
meeting
that
gets
noticed
ahead
of
time.
So
I
just
want
to
earmark
that
because
that's
an
aspect
I
think
that
really
was
valued
in
the
past
and
we
do
lose
a
lot
of
details
that
were
just
physically
present
in
our
our
other
environment.
Thanks.
B
Thank
you,
okay,
any
other
folks
want
to
chime
in
Japan
on
this.
B
Okay,
well,
I
I
would
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
I.
Think
I'm
allowed
to
do
that
that
the
downtown
commission,
in
in
accordance
with
the
city
council's
remote
meeting
policy,
adopt
a
a
policy
to
continue
to
hold
remote
meetings
for
the
next
12
months
and
that
we
would
work
towards
having
special
any
any
special
meetings
as
appropriately
advertised
and
for
the
appropriate
purpose
be
in
person.
B
Aye,
thank
you.
Tao
bye,
Kimberly,.
C
G
B
Thank
you
that
was
good
I
appreciate
it
I
appreciate
your
understanding
on
that.
Okay,
we
will
move
to
the
next
item
of
business,
which
is
Project
review
for
Aston
and
Sawyer
micro,
housing
and
I.
Think
Will's
gonna
make
that
presentation
and
I
believe
the
applicant
is
here
to
answer
some
questions
as
well.
I
think
I
saw
Brian
log
on.
F
Thanks
Brian,
that
is
correct.
Good
morning,
everyone
will
Palmquist
with
planning
and
Urban
Design
I'm
a
Staff
person
reviewing
this
project
so
I'll
be
giving
a
a
brief
overview
of
it,
helping
to
facilitate
any
discussion.
Brian
Cook,
the
architect
working
on
the
project
is
here
with
us
today,
as
well
as
perhaps
some
other
folks
from
the
the
project
team
to
answer
questions
as
well,
and
this
project
is
scheduled
for
review
at
next
Thursday's
design,
review
committee
meeting.
F
So
any
comments
that
you
all
want
to
provide
will
be
will
be
summarized
and
presented
to
that
committee
for
their
consideration
as
well.
F
So
this
project,
known
as
Aston
and
Sawyer
micro
housing,
is,
is
located
between
Aston
and
Sawyer
streets,
it's
kind
of
in
a
interesting
area
of
downtown,
where
we
have
a
lot
of
surface
parking
buildings,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
County
office
and
and
parking
deck
uses
you
can
see.
The
site
outlined
here
in
the
hatching
is
is
kind
of
an
interesting
shape
that
it
sits
higher
on
Aston
Street
and
then
has
retaining
walls
on
on
the
south
side
of
the
property.
F
It's
two
parking
lots
currently
and
then,
with
unexisting
one-story
building,
that's
being
proposed
to
be
renovated.
F
F
Let's
see
here
here
are
just
some
views
kind
of
giving
a
sense
of
kind
of
the
Urban
Design.
That's
that's
going
on
there,
which
is
kind
of
a
kind
of
in
a
transition
a
little
bit
of
an
edge
of
downtown,
and
hopefully
this
project
can
help
kind
of
fold
fold
this
area
a
little
more
back
into
the
downtown
fabric.
F
Let's
go
to
the
site
plan,
so
it's
being
proposed
is
two
new
seven-story
buildings
outlined
here
in
this
orange
color
to
the
north
Northeast
of
the
site
and
then
the
southwest
of
the
site.
F
So
the
buildings
are
pretty
much
the
same
height
building
a
or
Aston
Street
Building
is
is
bigger.
Overall,
has
159
micro
housing
units
of
the
231
being
proposed,
and
then
Building
B
on
Sawyer
Street
has
72
units,
and
then
you
can
see
the
existing
building
located
here.
F
That'll
be
renovated
and
used
for
some
kind
of
commercial
space,
with
some
kind
of
Plaza
seating
area
located
to
the
north
on
Aston
Street,
so
yeah,
just
I
guess
back
up
a
little
bit
what's
being
proposed
between
these
buildings
is
231
called
micro
housing
projects.
It's
similar
to
the
Hilliard
micro,
Flats
I
think
the
project
was
called
where
you
have
these
efficiency
units
and
they
have
a
you.
C
F
Then
each
floor
has
a
communal
kitchen
and
living
lounge
space
for
for
congregating
and
that's
kind
of
a
a
way
to
obviously
keep
the
rents
lower.
There's,
not
necessarily
guaranteed
affordability
at
certain
income
ranges
with
the
project,
but
you
know
Market
driven
approach
to
providing
you
know
more
attainable
housing
at
better
price
points
than
typical.
F
F
It's
just
under
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet,
which
is
the
threshold
for
those
types
of
projects
in
the
downtown.
So
it
will.
It's
it'll,
be
a
mandatory
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
at
DRC
and
then
a
ministerial
review
at
planning
and
zoning
commission
to
confirm
that
they
they
meet
all
the
requirements
of
the
CBD
zoning
District.
F
They're
proposing
to
subdivide
the
properties
into
three
lots
which
currently
affect
the
review
of
the
project
except
in
regards
to
tree
canopy
preservation.
So
they
have
that
parceled
out
by
by
lot
as
well
put
on
the
elevations.
F
They're
down
here:
oh
here's,
the
Landscaping
plan,
so
it's
it's
pretty
minimal
and
the
CBD
as
far
as
what
kind
of
landscaping
is
required.
It
mostly
just
consists
of
Street
trees,
which
you
can
see
here
proposed
along
Aston
street,
with
a
rebuilt
sidewalk
and
tree
grates
and
then
along
Sawyer
Street
as
well,
and
then
for
tree
canopy
preservation.
They
have
a
couple
trees,
kind
of
in
this
Courtyard
area
behind
building
a
and
that
I
think
covers
about
half
of
the
requirement
and
then
Theo
moves
proposed
for
the
other
half.
F
So
here
are
the
floor.
Plans
I'll
zoom
in
on
on
one
of
them,
I
think
they're
fairly
typical
for
each
floor.
So
you
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
how
you
know
the
units
the
units
are
arranged,
and
then
you
have
this
like
kitchen
and
lounge
space
on
each
floor
as
well
as
some
storage
space
for
residents
and
I.
Think
that's
pretty
typical
for
for
each
floor
and
relatively
between
the
buildings
as
well.
So
this
is
the
Aston
Street
facing
building,
which
is
a
little
more
linear.
F
Here's,
the
the
facade
facing
s
and
Street
I,
shouldn't
note,
also
kind
of
interesting
aspect
of
the
project
is
that
you
know
the
CBD.
Zoning
District
does
not
require
any
off-street
parking
and
and
no
off
street
parking
is
being
proposed
with
this
project
and
they
are
proposing,
although
it's
not
required.
Obviously,
bicycle
parking
and
other
amenities
to
you
know
bolster
that
as
a
transportation
option.
So
I
don't
think
we
get
many
many
projects
downtown
that
that
don't
have
parking.
F
There's
a
materials
board
so
I'm
going
to
talk
about
materials
right
now,
but
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
the
layout
of
the
building,
how
it
works
in
the
hillside,
different
kind
of
bays
and
massing
kind
of
a
lower
I
guess
Podium
for
lack
of
a
better
word
with
a
different
kind
of
arrangement,
staggered
Windows
above
and
then,
as
you
turn,
the
turn
the
corner.
What's
on
the
right
here
is
kind
of
the
I
guess
that
would
be
the
west
elevation.
F
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
shown
here.
E
F
F
F
You
know
it
is
kind
of
split
between
the
tallest,
height
Zone
and
intermediate
height
zones
of
the
CBD,
but
it
meets
the
requirements
of
both
of
those.
So
it
is,
you
know,
obviously
being
in
compliance
with
CBD
zoning
to
stay
as
level
two
not
have
to
get
a
conditional
zoning
or
a
variance
of
some
kind.
F
So
this
is
the
floor
plan
for
the
Sawyer
Street
facing
building.
Let
me
see
it's
much
more
kind
of
compact
building,
stairs
and
elevator
in
the
center
of
the
floor
plan
with
the
units
in
the
kitchen
and
Lounge
arranged
around
that
central
element.
F
And
then
the
the
primary
sorry
Street
facade,
entrance
and
storefront
shown
here
you'll
see
it
better
in
a
couple
renderings
provided
that
you
know
the
buildings
obviously
are
are
kind
of
designed
in
tandem,
so
they
borrow
a
lot
of
the
same
design.
Features
and
elements
are
shared
across
the
the
two
buildings.
F
Okay
on
the
right
is
the
East
Elevation
for
the
Sawyer
Street
Building.
F
F
And
then
on,
the
left
is
the
north
elevation,
which
would
kind
of
face
more
the
interior
of
the
site
and
kind
of
face
that
one
story,
Warehouse
building
our
garage
building
that
will
be
more
of
a
commercial
use
going
forward,
so
I'll
just
share
show
the
renderings
that
were
shared
by
the
architect
and
some
of
the
material
boards.
F
F
So
you
can
kind
of
see
how
those
those
upper
stories
are
set
back,
which
is
similar
requirements
in
the
CBD
to
help
lessen
the
impact
of
taller
buildings
kind
of
see
how
that
that
organizing
feature
Works
I
think
I
said
earlier
that
it
was
a
separate
elevation.
But
it
is
the
primary
elevation.
F
No
thanks
Brian.
Yes,
that's
the
main
facade
of
the.
J
F
Street
Northern
building
here
it
is
looking
looking
West
from
Church
Street
kind
of
down
Aston
Street.
F
View
from
Cox
avenue
of
the
of
the
two
buildings,
so
the
Aston
Street
Building
on
on
the
left
and
then
the
story
Street
Building
on
on
the
right.
You
can
kind
of
see
that
one
story
garage
space,
a
commercial
space
with
a
kind
of
renovated,
Plaza
or
Courtyard
in
front
of
it.
F
F
F
And
then
the
conceptual
rendering
of
that
elevation,
you
can
kind
of
see
how
that
the
corner
element
in
the
storefront
kind
of
ties
in
those
two
different
sides
of
the
building
as
well
get
a
sense
for
how
the
how
the
projects
are
kind
of
designed
in
tandem,
similar
materials
being
proposed.
F
This
one
has
some
different
coloring
for
the
corrugated
metal
and
metal
panels.
It
also
has
metal,
metal,
sun
shades
proposed
above
the
windows,
to
give
some
obviously
shade
occupants
and
then
some
kind
of
horizontal
relief
and
kind
of
interplay
with
the
elevation
and
then
the
building
view
from
from
Sora
Street,
which
kind
of
gives
a
good
sense
of
how
the
proposed
building
two
buildings,
the
one
on
Sawyer
Street
and
the
one
over
here
on
Aston
Street
kind
of
fit
into
the
existing
context
and.
C
F
The
public
parking
lot,
you
know,
obviously
we'll
remain
kind
of
in
this
kind
of
in
that
Center
area,
as
that's
not
part
of
the
project
or
owned
by
the
applicant
or
anything
so
I
think
I've
hit
on
all
the
highlights.
We
have
the
applicant
here
with
us
today.
F
B
Quick
will:
can
you
address
The
Pedestrian
connectivity
between
the
two
buildings
that
little
the
little
duck
between
that
they
did
before
the
applicant
gets
on.
F
Yes,
I
know
we
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
during
informal
DRC,
so
they're.
Essentially
this
this
walkway
would
be
proposed
between
the
Aston,
Street
Building
and
the
in
the
garage
building
and
then
cut
South,
and
that
would
provide
access
around
the
building.
I
think
there
might
be
access
to
the
building
directly
from
this
elevation,
if
not
around
the
building,
to
the
to
the
primary
entrance.
F
You
have
this
Courtyard
feature
for
for
building
a,
but
it
really
just
kind
of
connects
to
itself
and
then
the
retaining
walls.
Don't
don't
really
allow
once
someone's
out
here?
They
can't
really
hop
the
wall
safely
or
anything,
so
they
just
kind
of
redirected
back
into
the
building.
F
That's
I
think
it's
one
challenging
part
of
the
site
is
that
it's
the
way
the
elevations
the
retaining
walls
work,
it's
not
a
a
traditional
or,
as
usual,
a
flat
Block
in
downtown,
where
the
account
activities
is
very
logical,
perhaps,
but
that
is
kind
of
how
it
would
work
between
the
two
buildings
and
then
obviously
with
new
sidewalk
on
on
Sawyer
and
Aston
streets,
I,
don't
believe,
there's
one
proposed
mommy
alley.
F
You
do
have
some
loading
access,
so
I
would
I
would
believe
there
there's
access
on
on
this
side
of
the
Sora
Street
Building.
So
folks
don't
have
to
walk
necessarily
Through
the
Alley
to
get
into
that
building.
If
they
had
friends
in
the
other
in
the
other
building
or
whoever
they
were
visiting
whatnot
but
I
can
we
can
let
the
applicant,
maybe
maybe
refine
that
that
is
a
good
question.
B
Okay,
well,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
for
will
before
we
start
discussing
this
with
the
applicant.
I
Yeah
so
there's
a
I
think
this
is
a
great
example
of
what
we
can
do
without
parking
minimums
for
residential
uses.
So
I'm
really
impressed
with
that.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
parking
parking
minimum
standard
on
this
building,
because
I
think
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
questions
that
the
public
would
have
about
this.
F
Yeah,
so
there
are
no
required
parking
minimums
in
the
CBD
District,
except
for
hotel
uses.
There
are
no
hotels
proposed
for
this
project,
so
they're
not
required
to
provide
any
parking
and-
and
they
aren't
I-
think
that's
kind
of
exciting
and
Innovative
and
kind
of
bold
and
I
think
it
fits
into.
F
F
You
know
one
or
two
bedroom
typical
residential
unit
with
garage
structured
parking
which
drives
up
the
cost
exponentially
for
projects
so
I
think
that's
an
interesting
element
of
the
project
and
yeah
I'm
I'm
no
fan
of
parking
minomes
personally,
wouldn't
mind
them
going
away
everywhere,
but
at
least
in
the
CBD
there
they
don't
exist
for
anything
except
for
hotels.
So
that's
I,
think
that's
one
great
thing:
that's
helping
to
help
this
project
happen
and.
B
And
there's
a
parking:
the
county
parking
garage
is
literally
across
the
street,
so
there
is
parking
available
for
this
if
the
residents
needed
something
like
that,
but
yeah.
B
Any
other
questions
for
will:
okay,
I,
think
Brian
Cook
represented
the
architect
representing
the
applicant,
is
on
Brian.
Do
you
want
to
kind
of
point
out
anything
or
you
want
to
just
launch
into
the
discussion.
J
Yeah
I
think,
first
of
all
will
fantastic
job
presenting
if
you
get
all
the
key
details,
but
yeah
I
think
just
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
really
just
one
that
took
one
of
the
recent
questions
you
had
about
the
connection
between
the
two
buildings
so
that
that
area
between
the
two
buildings
is
primarily
intended
for
utility
access.
J
J
So
we're
going
to
try
to
you,
know,
pave
and
Landscape
that
so
that
there
is
some
connection
between
the
two
buildings.
The
buildings
do
not
share
any
amenities.
They
each
have
their
own
amenities.
You
know
solely
within
each
building,
but
but
with
the
walkway.
There
is
the
opportunity
for
for
a
connection
between
the
buildings
or
even
just
you
know.
J
You
know
if
you're
riding
your
bike
and
you're
you're
on
Aston
Street,
you
can
cut
through
and
come
in
the
back
and
have
direct
access
to
where
the
Bike
Room
storage
is.
So
that's,
that's
the
primarily
primarily
kind
of
reason
for
that
that
connection
there's
not
there.
There
is
not
a
a
direct
connection
from
Aston
to
the
left
to
the
alley
it.
J
It
drops
down
a
couple
feet
from
that
location,
so
there
would
not
be
there
would
not
be
a
connection
between
the
two
streets
or
you
know,
to
the
alley
from
without
going
through
the
building,
but
other
than
that,
like
I,
said,
I.
Think
we'll
kind
of
hit
all
the
key
points
on
on
the
building
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
guys
have.
G
Hey
I,
just
I,
was
reading
through
a
thread
on
Facebook
about
this
project,
and
one
question
that
folks
had
was:
is
there
some
type
of
mechanism
in
place
that
pre
prevents
any
subleasing?
That
would
then
prevent
any
short-term
rental
use?
So
if
you
could
answer
that.
J
Yeah
I
mean
the
the
the
the
owners
of
this
or
the
developers
of
this
project
also
will
maintain
and
operate
the
the
the
building
they
have
I
mean
they
have
over
12
other
units
across
the
country
that
are
similar
format
and
they
operate
these
so
they
know
how
to
operate
them.
That's
part
of
the
lease
agreement,
there's
no
there's
no
subleasing
and
as
far
as
short-term
rentals
I
mean
that's,
not
the
intent
either
it's
these
These
are.
These
are
long-term
rentals.
E
Thanks
while
we're
talking
about
parking
and
then
go
in
the
neighboring
deck,
I
think
that
the
Cox
avenue
deck
is
the
one
the
county
is
looking
at
for
reduced
worker
rates.
So
I
know
that
this
developer
in
the
other
project
was
talking
about
this
really
being
Workforce
housing.
So
the
adjacency
of
that
deck
is
complementary,
so
I
thought
I'd
mention
that
the
only
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
I
keep
mentioning
this
throughout
the
design
meetings
for
this
particular
area
of
downtown
and
anything
that
goes
in
it
with
the
nearby
rabbit
rabbit
location.
E
Everyone
on
Aston
Street
has
reached
out
to
the
city
at
some
point
about
noise
and
I'm,
always
trying
to
recommend
that
we
update
our
guidelines,
and
one
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
see
us
do
is
recommend
a
more
of
a
there's,
a
rating
of
glass
that
gives
a
little
more
soundproof
and
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there.
So
these
developers
know
they
may
have
tenants
who
are
wishing
they
had
better
soundproof
windows.
Just
because
of
the
way
the
sound
travels
up
that
alley.
E
E
D
B
I
Yeah
Sage,
that's
a
great
point
I,
but
I
think
you
know
going
from
a
flat
surface
to
you
know
a
more
you
know
a
seven-story
building.
This
may
actually
help
the
folks
at
Aston
by
sort
of
breaking
up
and
baffling.
Some
of
that
sound
is
what
I'm,
hoping
for.
Also
new
construction
is
gonna
I'm,
imagining
that
the
windows
and
new
construction
are
just
going
to
be
superior
to
the
windows
in
the
Aston.
I
D
Do
we
have,
is
this
housing
project
that's
going
to
be
built
in
the
hot
spot,
but
other
than
this?
Are
there
any
existing
micro
housing
units
in
Asheville?
Yet
are
these
the
first
two
projects.
E
Model,
it's
definitely
a
newer
model
and
I
don't
know
of
any
downtown.
You
know
some
would
say,
like
the
some
of
the
hotel
conversions
to
housing,
I
like
to
remind
people
that
we've
actually
never
had
a
hotel
or
a
housing
complex,
become
a
hotel,
but
we've
had
lots
of
hotels,
become
housing.
So
some
of
those
older
housing
buildings,
the
Vanderbilt
Battery
Park,
are
kind
of
set
up
with
these
similar
floor
plans,
but
then
they're
connected
to
adjacent
units,
so
they're
micro
in
itself,
but
not.
E
You
know
Robin
to
your
point
on
my
Council
email
I've
received
a
couple
emails
asking.
You
know.
Is
that
really
what's
Happening
Here
and
perhaps
it
would
be
who
the
public
staff
you
know
what
what
would
it
look
like
for
a
apartment
complex
to
approach
becoming
a
hotel?
Would
it
simply
be
a
the
process
as
simple
as
designing
and
building
one?
What's
that
conversion
potential
look
like
it's.
B
It's
a
change
of
use
at
that
point.
I
can
go
ahead
and
jump
in
just
as
a
as
an
architect.
You
know
when
it
when
it's
a
change
of
use
and
it's
that
size
of
a
change
of
use
it.
Basically
that's
the
trigger
point
at
which
it
has
to
go
back
through
the
exact
same
process.
You
would
get
for
building
new,
so
it
would
be
reviewed.
H
B
Thank
you,
yep
I
could
see
that
see
it,
but
I
couldn't
spell
it.
So
you
know
when
it
when
that
building
went
through
a
change
of
use.
You
know
they
suddenly
had
to
meet
all
the
requirements
for
a
small
hotel.
B
E
E
I
You
all
right,
yeah,
Megan
and
Stage.
You
guys
were
asking
the
questions
that
I
was
asking
about.
You
know
potential
Hotel
conversion
and
just
you
know,
we've
we've
seen
some
some
projects
that
are
seemingly
trying
to
do
an
end
run
around
the
intentions
of
our
zoning
plans
and
decision
processes
on
this,
and
so
this
this
does
not
appear
to
be
one
of
those
I'm
happy
to
see
that
and
I
do
wish.
You
know
Brian,
like
you're,
saying
those
change
of
use
from
long-term,
long-term
rental
to
short-term
rental.
I
Those
Protections
in
downtown
seen
robust
I
wish
our
neighborhoods
had
the
same
protections
when
units
you
know
that
may
not
have
a
hundred
thousand
square
footprint
of
a
building
in
Downtown,
but
certainly
part
of
the
fabric
of
a
neighborhood
when
they
switch
from
long-term
rentals
to
short-term
rentals
I.
There's,
not
a
decision-making
process
around
that.
That
is
robust.
That
protects
those
neighborhoods.
I
So
I
think
this
is
again
an
advantage
that
downtown
has,
as
far
as
looking
at
those
changes
of
use
on
those
buildings
and
I
wish
that
our
neighborhoods
were
able
to
have
a
similar
decision-making
process
when
they
see
long-term
units.
In
their
neighborhoods
turned
into
short-term.
F
I'll,
just
chime
in
briefly
briefly
on
that
it,
you
know
I,
think
just
to
clarify
any
any
units
being
used
for
a
short
short-term
vacation.
Rentals
are
in
violation
of
zoning
unless
it's
a
Homestay
provision
or
unless
they
have
some
kind
of
special
approval
for
it,
which
is
not
typical.
So
we
have
a.
We
have
an
enforcement
process
around
that
it'd
be
like.
If
someone
wanted
to
start
making,
you
know
turn
their
house
into
a
little
manufactory
not
allowed
in
the
zoning
code.
F
It's
treated
in
the
same
way,
so
I'll
just
I'll
just
say
that
that
if
it
is
happening
it's
there
is
no
approval
process,
perhaps
that
it
went
through
because
it's
not
operating
legally
technically.
B
I
I'd
like
to
just
from
a
as
a
DTC
going
through
our
our
checklist,
I'm
I'm,
pretty
excited
about
this
project
to
Robin's
point
I.
Hope
it's
a
success.
I,
don't
know
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
these
examples
to
know
whether
or
not
it
will
be
but
I.
B
Think
the
geography
of
this
being
more
or
less
across
the
street
from
the
bus
station
and
a
parking
garage
and
being
kind
of
on
the
outskirts
but
close
to
a
lot
of
fun
stuff
could
attract
the
kind
of
tenets
that
I
think
these
kind
of
things
are
going
to
need
to
be
successful,
so
I'm
I'm
from
a
parking
multimodal
I'm
excited
I,
think
you
know
this
is
the
kind
of
essentially
affordable
housing
missing
middle
starter
kind
of
stuff
that
that
downtown
needs
I
appreciate
a
lot
of
what
they've
done
in
terms
of
the
form
of
the
building
I
wish.
B
There
was
a
little
bit
more
pedestrian
connectivity
between
the
sites,
but
I
think
the
topography
makes
that
difficult.
There's
really
no
connectivity
between
those
two
lots
right
now.
You
know
you.
You
have
to
hop
a
bunch
of
walls
to
get
from
one
to
the
other,
and
nobody
does
that.
I
know
that
because
I
parked
on
Aston
every
day
and
then
I
think
the
balance
of
uses
I
think
you
know
having
tenants
in
this
area
is
actually
going
to
improve
Public
Safety
for
this
area.
B
I
I
think
it's
a
good
use
with
downtown
master
plan.
I'm,
not
really
Jay
Matthew
here,
but
I'm
going
to
beat
the
no
horizontal
lap
siding
drum
I,
don't
think!
That's
a
good
material
for
this
building
and
I'd
like
to
see
something
different
and
I'll
hit
that
again
in
design
review.
If
we
get
another
shot
at
it.
That's
the
balance
of
my
comments.
Robin
go
ahead.
D
I
agree
with
you
about
the
lap
signing
I
had
thought
of
that
already,
but
I
just
want
to
make
one
clarification,
and
this
is
just
nitpicky
from
my
perspective.
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
calling
these
affordable
housing
per
se.
It.
B
D
B
It's
a
price
point
that
that
that
makes
it
makes
it
that
certain
demographics
can
suddenly
live
in
the
city
that
couldn't
otherwise
and
so.
D
E
Sure,
let
me
see
if
I
can
get
some
video
now
that
I'm,
not
project
for
okay,
hey
sorry,
I
was
doing
a
project.
So
two
things
one
is
you
know
in
2017
or
2018.
The
downtown
commission
did
some
analysis
on
how
many
housing
units
I
had
downtown
and
how
many
Hotel
units
they
had
downtown
I.
Remember
at
the
time
it
was
split.
E
Now,
we've
had
a
lot
of
projects,
come
online
I've
been
tracking
it
Loosely
and
I'll
update
it
officially,
but
I
think
these
units
put
us
back
into
like
a
60
40
split
with
more
residential
than
hotels,
so
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction
in
that
regard.
E
B
I
And
just
go
talk
back
about
parking,
you
know
if
we,
if
the
residents
of
these
buildings
were
formerly
commuters
into
downtown
and
they
now
move
back
into
downtown
and
get
to
walk
to
work,
whether
you
know
for
whatever
you
know
what.
So,
if
they're
you
know
driving
in
looking
for
parking
paying
for
parking.
I
You
know
this
this.
Hopefully
this
type
of
project
hopefully
alleviates
some
of
the
greater
Regional
traffic
concerns.
If
because,
when
you
get
people
that
can
walk
to
work
rather
than
drive
and
park,
then
you
know:
that's
that's
really
good
for
everyone
who's
experiencing
this
town
and
trying
and
complaining
about
parking,
it's
so
much,
because
we
know
that
parking
isn't
just
number
of
cars
on
the
road.
It's
also
average
trip
distance,
so
we
can
cut
those
average
trip
distances
down,
get
people
close
to
living
and
working
together
with
projects
like
this.
I
You
know,
I
am
I'm
in
support
of
that
and
no
kitchens
in
the
units.
It's
also
good
for
restaurants.
So.
C
Hey
Sage
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
what
you
just
said:
I
remember
that
report
and
update
and
I
think
what
you
stated
and
the
timeliness
of
what
you
stated
is
very
critical
when
we
think
about
long-term
planning
that
sometimes
people
citizens,
all
of
us
get.
You
know
in
a
kerfuffle
about
a
specific
unit,
a
specific
item,
a
moratorium
of
this
of
that
and
in
the
long
stretch
of
five
years
you
know
10
years,
20
years,
these
incremental
not
just
tracking
of
what's
happening,
but
these
on
on
and
off
again
changes.
C
Whether
like
I
said
it's
moratoriums
or
an
increase
in
housing
versus
of
hotels.
It
all
plays
a
role,
and
so
I
just
literally
want
to
acknowledge
that
you
naming
that
right
now
in
this
moment,
because
that
was
four
years
ago,
I
think
is
powerful
and
why
these
committees
matter
why
working
collectively
matters?
Why
thinking
about
the
big
picture,
while
working
on
individual
projects
really
matter
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
saying
that.
B
This
has
been
a
good
discussion,
I
think
Brian.
You
should
have
heard
at
this
point
that
the
the
DTC
is
in
Broad
agreement
that
they
that
they
appreciate
this
project
and
are
looking
forward
to
its
success.
You've
heard
a
couple
little
things
here
and
there
are
there
any
other
kind
of
advice
or
items
that
the
DTC
would
like
to
see.
The
applicant
address,
if
possible,
on
this
project,
going
as
they
move
forward.
E
F
Excuse
me
Thursday's
the
ERC
meeting,
okay.
B
Okay,
well,
if
there's
no
further
questions,
we
don't
really
vote
on
these
items.
Right
will
I,
don't
think
so.
I'll
get
turned
around.
B
Okay,
very
good,
so
continue
the
path
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
this
project
at
DRC
and
I
really
look
forward
to
seeing
the
project
get
built
and
I
I
hope
it's
a
big
success
all
right.
Thank
you
all
right,
we'll
move
into
our
next
item
of
business,
which
is
the
establishment
of
the
pack
Square
Plaza,
visioning
subcommittee,
Steph
Dahl
is
going
to
address
that
and
I'm
just
going
to
turn
it
over
to
her,
and
then
we
can
have
a
discussion.
A
A
This
area
includes
a
site
where
the
Vance
Monument
was
previously
located
and,
as
you
should
know
by
now,
I
think
where
everybody
knows
by
now.
This
is
an
extension
of
the
work
that
the
Vance
Monument
task
force
did
to
recommend
to
the
city
and
county
that
the
Vance
Monument
should
be
removed
from
the
area
in
this
project.
We're
not
only
looking
at
that
very
specific
900
square
feet
of
former
Advanced
Monument,
but
we're
looking
at
the
entire
Plaza
and
also
physical
and
mental
connections,
to
the
block
neighborhood
just
next
door.
A
I
went
through
most
of
these
things,
but
what
I
want
you
to
take
away
from
this
slide,
and
it
has
some
links
on
there,
so
you
can
get
to
project
materials.
Is
that
this
really
is
a
community
engagement
process?
There's
going
to
be
some
design
involved
in
here,
but
we
are
not
going
to
come
out
of
this
with
a
true
Capital
project.
This
is
to
document
a
vision
for
the
area,
and
we
are
looking
at
five
specific
things
when
we're
talking
about
providing
recommendations.
A
Number
one
is
what
are
the
top
issues
or
ideas
associated
with
repurposing
that
former
Vance
Monument
area?
It's
not
necessarily
about
replacing
that
Monument
with
something
else.
It's
about
what
should
happen
there?
How
do
people
want
to
feel
when
they
see
that
area
and
what
should
it
look
and
act
like?
The
second
part
is
really
about
advancing
equity
and
inclusion
on
pack
Square
Plaza,
both
in
the
short
and
long
term,
that
can
look
like
anything
from
Economic
Development
opportunities
to
social
mix,
mixing
to
opportunities
for
health
advancements.
A
The
third
part
of
this
is
guidance
on
a
future
design
process
for
Capital
Improvements
in
pack
Square,
including
making
sure
that
we
understand
what
a
workable
or
feasible
budget
for
our
community
would
really
look
like
when
we're
talking
about
wanting
to
do
something
in
this
area.
So
not
again,
not
a
total
design
process,
but
a
way
for
us
to
think
about
what
should
the
next
piece
look
like?
A
So
this
is
phased
and
then
noting
that
we
really
could
look
at
public-private
Partnerships
to
support
future
improvements,
including
the
way
we
operate
it
and
the
way
that
we
manage
the
area,
including
the
programming
for
the
area.
A
A
You
guys
are
very
familiar
with
pack
Square,
so
I
probably
don't
need
to
tell
you
where
that
is.
But
what
I
will
say
is
that
even
this
map
is
incorrect
as
far
as
what
our
study
area
is,
and
it
highlights
how
many
people,
including
this
map,
paper
map
maker,
do
not
realize
or
recognize
how
much
of
the
space
in
front
of
the
Biltmore
building
is
actually
public
space
and
part
of
the
city
park.
A
And
when
we're
talking
about
the
block.
This
is
the
area
that
we're
talking
about,
and
you
can
see
that
there's
quarters
that
reach
out
on
the
North
End
of
the
block
to
the
west
and
also
to
the
north
and
and
those
corridors.
Many
people
walk
right
by
and
are
unaware
that
they
are
within
a
one
minute:
walk
to
one
of
North
Carolina's,
most
preeminent
cultural
institutions,
the
ymi
plus
a
host
of
other
businesses
and
attractions,
including
the
mural
at
Triangle
Park,
for
example.
A
So
the
project
status
we
do
have
a
survey
up
and
we're
encouraging
you
and
people
that
you
know
to
take
it.
We've
have
over
300
responses
so
far,
so
you
can
get
to
it.
It's
publicinput.com,
backslash
pack
square,
has
a
few
questions
on
there
that
are
going
to
help
us
really
with
this
first
phase,
understand
the
basics
of
what
people
are
thinking
why
they
actually
come
here.
A
How
often
they
come
here
things
like
that
we
released
well,
we
rolled
out
a
temporary
public
art
program
that
was
guided
heavily
by
the
public
art
and
cultural
commission
and
have
already
seen
four
installations
there's
another
one
on
Saturday.
So
there's
a
big
article
about
it
in
the
mountain
Express.
If
you
want
to
check
out
that
and
know
more,
but
the
point
of
this
public
art
program
is
to
help
people
think
differently
about
how
we
use
public
space
to
reflect
reflect
our
community
and
for
engagement.
A
We've
already
started
doing
several
focus
groups
and
having
conversations
we're
calling
them
five
minute.
Pitches,
oh
and
we're
happy
to
reach
out
to
any
of
your
associations
or
organizations
to
do
the
same
thing,
basically
telling
people
what
the
what
the
project
is
about
hearing
from
others
and
the
expectations
and
just
asking
some
initial
questions
as
we
lead
into
December
1st,
2nd
and
3rd,
which
are
going
to
be
eight
special
sessions
where
we
bring
people
in
to
address
those
five
issues.
That
I
spoke
about
earlier
they're
on
the
right
hand
side.
A
A
All
this
to
say
that
we're
putting
our
community
advisory
committee
together,
starting
this
week,
the
community
advisory
committee
is
going
to
include
members
from
a
variety
of
city
and
county
boards.
Most
of
these
boards
have
a
line.
Interest
in
the
downtown
commission
is
the
most
aligned
of
all
of
the
boards
and
commissions.
A
So
these
folks
are
going
to
meet
three
to
five
times
during
the
project.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
five
times
and
I
think
that
it's
going
to
end
up
being
about
a
10
hour,
10
to
15
hour
commitment
from
now
until
April
30th.
There
is
a
virtual
kickoff
meeting
on
October
31st,
which
is
Halloween
it's
at
noon,
and
we
have
a
link
in
this
presentation
which
is
in
your
materials
that
outlines
what
the
role
of
those
members
are
today.
A
The
way
that
that
works
from
a
procedural
manner
is
that
the
chair
is
assigns
those
since
it's
a
subcommittee,
so
what
you
would
do
as
a
member,
if
you
were
interested,
is
reach
out
to
Brian
and
Let
Brian
know
that
you
wanted
to
serve,
but
the
second
part
really
needs
to
be
in
agreement
by
the
entire
commission,
which
is
the
consideration
that
the
Community
advisory
committee
for
this
project
could
be
a
subcommittee
of
the
downtown
Commission.
A
B
To
be
clear,
what
we're
going
to
do
today
is
we're
going
to
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
form
a
a
subcommittee
officially
titled
the
community
advisory
committee
for
the
pack,
Square
Plaza
visioning
project
and
then
I'll
be
assigning
three
three
of
us
to
that.
B
B
So
and
and
then
I
also
want
to
make
clear
that,
just
because
you're
not
on
the
CAC,
because
this
is
a
subcommittee
of
the
DTC
any
recommendations
that
the
subcommittee
comes
up
with
will
come
back
to
us
for
discussion.
So
so,
just
because
you're
not
on
the
subcommittee
doesn't
mean
you
don't
get
to
have
a
role
in
this
project
and
I
think
that's
appropriate
because
this
that
subcommittee,
you
know
they'll
they'll
advertise
and
they
are
obviously
working
really
hard
to
involve
public
input.
B
But
this
is
the
this
commission
itself
will
also
serve
as
the
kind
of
umbrella
public
comment.
Public
input
vehicle
for
the
community
advisory
committee.
Does
that
make
sense
so
far
and
Stephanie?
If
that's
sitting
in
that
wrong,
please
let.
A
Me
know
you
didn't
you,
you
nailed
it
and
I
couldn't
even
underscore
it
by
just
saying
another
exam
exam
Brian's
talking
about
is
when
it
comes
time
for
city
council,
review
of
The
Vision
plan
or
Vision
document
for
a
pack
Square,
it
will
start
at
the
downtown
commission.
So
we'll
start
in
the
public
realm.
You
know
out
there
for
comment,
but
it'll
be
at
the
downtown
commission.
First
and.
B
And
this
preliminary
piece
I
would
see
this.
You
know
Stephanie
said
that
it
was.
You
know
this
is
going
to
end
in
in
April,
but
that's
this
phase
of
it.
You
know
there
will
be
ongoing
pieces
that
will
continue.
This
is
the
preliminary
to
look
at
those
five
areas
that
Stephanie
outlined
there
will
be
a
design
piece.
B
There
will
be
other
programming
pieces
that
will
continue
and
I
think
that
we
would
be
looking
at
those
in
you
know
as
separate
things
as
they
go
along
and
we
would
continue
to
have
input
into
those.
So
any
comments
or
discussions
do
we
need
to
have
a
free-for-all
for
the
for
the
the
three
spots.
I
To
play
John
Boyle
for
a
second:
are
we
going
to
call
this?
The
pit
of
the
square
like
this?
This
I
mean
I'm,
obviously
really
interested.
This
reminds
me
of
my
past
work
with
the
the
HIPAA
page,
visioning
team
and
I'd
like
to
see
like
a
lot
of
the
the
I
think
the
winning
ingredients
from
that
process.
Obviously,
the
city's
picked
up
and
learned
that
you
know
robust
public
engagement
and
in
advisory
envisioning
team
process
before
a
capital
project.
I
I
think
that's
all
we're
all
really
strong,
because
people
have
a
lot
of
feelings
about
this
site
and
they
have
a
lot
of
utility
for
this
site,
potentially
as
well
so
I
I
Venture,
my
name
forward
to
be
included
with
this.
However,
my
crystal
ball
is
going
to
be
a
little
clear
on
November
9th,
so
I
am
happy
to
take
a
back
seat
while
my
future,
my
future
role
with
the
city
is,
is
certain
it's
currently
in
flux,
we'll
say
so
so
I'm
happy
to
serve
as
an
alternate.
B
You
Andrew
anyone
else.
Do
we
have
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
serve
on
this?
Up
again,
you
know
you're,
looking
at
a
10
to
15
hour,
five
meetings,
two
to
two
and
a
half
three
hours
per
meeting,
a
few
other
things
reviewing
some
materials,
that's
kind
of
the
time,
engagement,
that's
being
requested.
Are
there
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
serve
on
that?
Okay,
that
was
almost
like
in
tandem.
I
can't
tell
so
I'm
going
to
give
that
to
Megan
first
and
then
we'll
go
to
Ricardo.
G
G
Okay,
I'm
willing
to
follow
this
from
a
you
know,
from
a
back
seat
kind
of
role,
if
that's,
if
that's
better
so
just
either
way,
is
fine.
Thank
you.
I.
A
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Ricardo
go
ahead.
B
I
I'm,
not
planning
on
serving
I,
think
I
think
I
would
I.
Would
my
strong
lean
right
now
is
definitely
Stephen.
Lee
Ruth
has
been
involved
in
several
of
these
things
before
and,
and
she
has
a
a
connection
to
some
historical
she's.
Just
got
a
deep
understanding
of
the
history
of
the
city
and
a
lot
of
this
stuff
that
I
think
would
be,
would
honestly
be
pretty
useful.
B
So
you
know,
maybe
maybe
that
would
work.
Ricardo
is
to
have
a
a
you
know.
You'd
have
a
landscape.
Well,
I
mean
everybody's,
bringing
more
than
one
thing
to
it.
I
think
you
know
honestly
and
that's
what
we're
that's
what
we'd
be
looking
for,
and
then
you
know
Andrew
I'm
sensitive
to
your
your
involvement
in
these
types
of
projects
before
very
successfully,
but
I
also
want
to
be
sensitive
to
to
the
to
the
election
piece.
So
let
me
think
about
that.
A
little
bit.
F
B
Going
once
going
twice,
then,
if
Megan's
going
to
get
that
Andrew,
you
have
no
objection,
I'm
going
to
recommend
Stephen,
Lee
Johnson,
Ruth,
Summers
and
Ricardo
seho
as
the
three
representatives
and
we'll
we'll
we'll
go
that
direction
and
I
really
appreciate
everyone's
camaraderie,
and
you
guys
made
this
way
easier
than
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
that.
I
think.
That's
a
I
think
again,
I
think
Andrew
I
would
expect
you
and
I
to
have
lots
more
opportunities
for
input.
B
The
the
way
I
see
this
process
going.
I,
don't
think
the
the
community
advisories
committees,
the
goal
would
be
to
solicit
input
not
to
limit
it
or
to
control
it
necessarily
so
I
would
I
would
expect.
All
of
us
would
have
the
ability
to
provide
lots
of
input
as
the
project
proceeds
in
the
subcommittee's
responsibility
will
be
to
report
back
to
us
as
they
as
they
go.
Thank
you
Sage.
B
So
I
want
to
make
that
clear.
We're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
to
engage
with
this
process
so.
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay
Stephanie,
do
you
need
anything
else?
I
can
send
you
a
formal
response
to
that,
but
I'll
I'll
make
notes.
B
And
one
thing
Stephanie
we
talked
about
this:
there
is
continuity
from
key
people
who
were
on
the
the
actual
Vance
task
force
that
are
going
to
be
engaged
in
the
community
advisory
committee
as
well
is.
A
That
still
correct
yes,
so
miss
orlene
Simmons
is
on
this
community
advisory
committee
and
she
was
on
the
Vance
Monument
task
force
so
and
they'll.
Probably
there
may
or
may
not
be
other
people
as
well
and
then
the
other
confirmed
people
are
Katie
Cornell
from
the
Asheville
area,
Arts
Council
and
Aaron
Griffin
who's,
the
chair
of
the
African-American
Heritage
commission
and
Catherine
Mitchell,
who
does
the
African-American
Heritage
Trail.
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
I
I
meant
to
make
that
connection
earlier,
so
and
and
then,
okay,
very.
B
Thank
you
any
other
final
kind
of
comments
on
that
are
we
are
we
good
to
move
on?
B
Okay?
Actually,
that's
all
our
new
business.
We
can
move
into
the
updates
and
reports
I
believe
since
Stephen
Lee
is
not
here.
I'll
do
the
design
Review
Committee
instead
of
making
Robin
do
it.
So
we
had
a
formal
review
of
34th
South
Lexington
Avenue,
just
a
exterior
renovation.
It
was
a
fairly
a
small
design
review
for
that
we
did
an
informal
review
of
the
project
that
we
just
looked
at
earlier
today
for
the
Aston
Street
Aston
and
Sawyer
micro
housing
project.
That
was
our
August
meeting.
B
I
think
am
I
doing
this
right,
yes,
and
then
for
the
September
meeting.
We
have
a
new
member
Thomas
McLaughlin
that
joined
us,
and
then
we
did
an
informal
review
for
a
pavilion
behind
137
Biltmore
Avenue
between
those
historic
houses
and
the
Lexington
Avenue
Home
Project.
So
we
did
an
informal
review
for
that
and
I
think.
That's
it
right
guys,
yeah,
okay
and
I
I.
Think
design
review
is
continuing
to
get
better
I
think
we're
all
settling
into
a
more
defined
role
as
we
go
and
look
forward
to
that
process.
B
Continuing
updates
on
actual
Downtown
Association.
G
I
think
I
mentioned
at
our
last
meeting
our
walkability
study,
which
was
performed
in
September.
If
this
is
in
conjunction
with
the
city,
Brian
and
Dana
I,
think
you
guys
both
volunteered
with
us.
E
G
Had
I
put
a
call
out
to
volunteers,
I
got
like
25
people.
It
was
amazing.
We've
got
to
give
people
sort
of
small
areas,
so
they
could
really
focus
in
we're
in
the
process
of
pulling
that
data
together
and
we'll
schedule
a
follow-up
meeting
soon
with
the
city's
Public
Works
team.
To
start
talking
about
how
to
prioritize
that,
maybe
at
our
next
meeting
I
can
show
you
a
map
and
some
of
the
data,
that's
of
interest
to
everybody.
G
We
have
been
doing
that
every
other
year,
there's
a
consideration
for
doing
it.
Every
year.
Since
we
had
such
an
awesome
group
of
volunteers,
it
really
was
pretty
easy
to
get
done.
G
We
just
closed
our
mid-year,
which
is
not
really
mid-year.
I
guess
at
this
point
third
quarter
issue
survey,
I,
guess
we'll
call
it
on
Monday
I
have
not
had
108
responses.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
really
dig
into
that
data
yet,
but
I'm
pulling
together
a
presentation
for
something
next
week
and
then
that
data
will
be
shared
with
both
the
city
and
county
Council
and
commission,
as
well
as
city
and
county
managers
and
other
staff.
G
We
have
a
candidate
Forum
on
Monday
I.
Think
I
sent
you
guys
an
invitation
to
that
earlier
this
week.
We
do
have
a
few
spots
left
for
that.
G
We
have
five
of
our
six
Council
candidates
in
both
mayoral
candidates
confirmed,
so
this
will
be
focused
on
downtown
and
a
lot
of
we
do
have
Roundtable
formats,
it's
a
little
more
like
one-on-one,
but
we'll
ask
some
questions
that
came
out
of
the
results
and
responses
from
the
surveys
that
we've
had
of
our
Council
candidates
and
then
lastly,
we
have
I
might
have
mentioned
this
too
we're
bringing
back
the
building
our
city
speaker
series.
So
these
were
pretty
popular
events
back
in
18
and
19.
G
They
went
virtual
during
covid,
but
we're
back
to
bringing
those
in
person
and
Ruth
is
not
here,
but
that
is
from
support
from
the
Grove
Arcade
Public
Market
foundation.
So
thanks
to
Ruth
for
that
our
first
event
and
I
can
send
you
guys
an
invite
if
you
haven't
gotten.
G
One
already
is
Wednesday
November
2nd
and
it
is
with
Bernice
radel,
who
is
the
CEO
and
founder
of
a
company
called
Buffalo
in
Buffalo,
New,
York
and
she's,
going
to
be
talking
about
small
scale,
in-field
development,
which
I
think
is
an
important
piece
to
our
housing
conversation
and
it
helps
build
local
wealth.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
that,
let
me
know
or
I'll
send
an
invitation
around
and
you
can
register
them.
Oh
holiday
parade,
November,
19th,
big
event
takes
up
all
of
downtown
pretty
much
so
heads
up
to
everybody.
G
More
information
will
be
out
soon
on
that,
but
it
is
a
yet
it's
a
big
event
that
does
shut
down
a
lot
of
streets
in
downtown
and
a
huge
thanks
to
the
city,
especially
the
Asheville
Police
Department,
for
all
the
work
that
they're
putting
on
in
on
the
parade.
We
really
appreciate
it.
That's
all
I
have
unless
there's
questions.
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Thank
you
in
the
y'all
should
all
sign
up
for
the
public,
the
pedestrian
survey
that
was
fun
get
to
nitpick.
The
city
is
always
fun
homeless
initiatives
or
are
there
any
other
comments
for
Megan
on
that?
Okay,
Megan?
Are
you
up
again
or
is
Robin
doing
the
homeless
initiative
report.
B
Got
it
all
right,
public
Space,
Management
task
force,
Andrew
Dana,.
H
I
can
chime
in
here,
so
the
task
force
last
met
in
June.
H
I
know
that
Andrew
provided
some
updates
at
one
of
the
meetings
when
I
was
out,
we
had
planned
on
getting
back
together
in
October
that
may
end
up
being
November,
there's
some
overlap
between
their
work
and
the
the
pack
Square
visioning
advisory
committee
for
sure,
but
I
think
the
public,
Space
Management
Group
definitely
has
a
role
to
play
in
that
process,
as
well
as
to
provide
feedback
on
progress
that
we're
making
on
some
other
fronts
and
I
just
wanted
to
pull
up
I'm
going
to
pull
up
this
one
slide
from
that
June
meeting
to
let
you
guys
know
where
that
group
landed
in
recommending
some
priorities
for
the
year
ahead
and
and
kind
of
recommending
what
their
role
is
so
outdoor
dining,
applying
Lessons
Learned
From,
the
abl
shares
space
program
and
looking
at
improvements
to
standards
and
a
long-term
parklet
or
streetery
program.
H
H
The
group
is
interested
in
looking
at
opportunities
for
sharing
roadways
for
pedestrian
activation
business
success
and
safer,
multimodal
Transportation,
so
as
part
of
that
work,
providing
input
on
pack,
Square
Plaza,
having
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
upcoming
capital
projects
and
roadway
projects
and
and
other
possibilities
for
tactical
uses
and
streetscape
planning.
H
Also
and
I
think
you
guys
are
aware.
We
we
have
some
arpa
funds
to
move
forward
with
the
public
restroom
facility
and
the
public
space
just
next
to
the
ranking
garage
on
the
College
Street
side.
So
the
group
is
interested
in
providing
input
on
that
both
from
a
public
Space
Management
perspective,
I
think
as
well
as
from
the
perspective
of
offering
this
public
restroom
facility
and
interest
in
Street
and
sidewalk
lighting.
So
I
just
want
this
downtown
commission
group
to
be
aware
of
that.
H
That
landed
on
the
task
force
list,
because
I
know
that
that
has
come
up
a
lot
from
the
downtown
commission,
specifically
with
regards
to
development
review
and
the
lighting
considerations
that
the
city's
looking
at
in
the
public
realm
I
will
note
that
there
aren't
resources
dedicated
to
that
work
at
this
time.
It's
not
a
current
project
that
staff
is
working
on,
but
just
want
to
keep
it
on
the
radar
and
let
you
all
know
that
that
the
group
was
interested
in
in
considering
what
could
be
done.
H
I
Thanks
Dana
I'm,
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
on
that
in
November
or
potentially
transitioning
away
from
working
on
that
with
you
in
November
we
will.
We
will
see,
but
it'll
be
nice
to
it'll,
be
nice
to
pick
that
back
up
and
welcome
back
I'm
glad
nice
to
see
you
back
in
the
office
thanks.
I
H
You
all
heard
about
pack
Square
Plaza
visioning,
so
I
won't
go
into
that,
but
I
did
provide
a
link
here.
We
have
some
input
opportunities
up
on
the
website
kind
of
some
broad
questions
about
how
you
use
pack
square
and
some
opportunities
for
some
kind
of
broad
feedback.
We're
going
to
continue
to
expand
those
feedback
opportunities
over
the
next
couple
months.
C
H
B
H
B
I
can
interrupt
this
to
do
that,
real
quick.
Let
me
make
a
motion
and
get
a
second
and
do
all
that
I'm.
So
sorry,
I
will
make
a
formal
motion.
I
move
that
the
downtown
commission
established
a
subcommittee
for
the
pack,
Square
Plaza,
a
visioning
project,
a
community
advisory
committee
specifically,
and
that
we
appoint
Stephen
Lee
Johnson,
Ruth,
Summers
and
Ricardo
seho.
As
members
of
that
subcommittee.
B
You,
okay,
let
me
let
me
run
through
the
the
folks,
real
quick,
then
so
sorry,
Andrew
hi,
thank
you.
Tom
Kimberly.
B
You
I
am
an
eye
Robin
aye
Megan
hi,
Ricardo
Hi,
and
then
that's
all
that's
here
right
now.
Okay,
that
motion
passes
I'm,
so
sorry
Dana
to
interrupt
I.
Just
completely
forgot
Kimmy
go
ahead.
H
H
So
also
just
want
to
make
sure
you
all
are
aware
of
the
art
and
the
Heart
temporary
public
art
program.
There
have
been
a
few
pieces
up
and
there
will
continue
to
be
more
throughout
the
end
of
the
year
and
into
early
2023,
so
check
them
out
and
give
your
feedback
there's
actually
a
tab
on
the
public
input
page
to
give
feedback
on
the
art
and
the
Heart
installation
specifically.
H
But
we'll
talk
more
about
those
December,
1st,
2nd
and
3rd
as
part
of
those
major
engagement
events
as
well
and
South
slope,
South,
Side
Vision
plan
that
was
scheduled
to
go
to
council,
it's
gotten
pushed
back
to
November.
It
may
end
up
getting
pushed
to
December,
but
just
want
to
keep
that
on
the
radar
for
you
all
staff
received
feedback
from
on
the
draft
plan
and
that's
been
making
some
changes
to
it
and
is
continuing
to
meet
with
community
members
and
get
some
final
input
before
bringing
that
plan
to
city
council.
H
Cox
avenue
complete
street
so
as
outlined
in
the
South
slope,
Vision
plan
and
I've
linked
to
a
section
in
that
here,
staff
is
continuing
to
move
forward
with
a
design
process
to
redesign
Cox
avenue
to
be
a
green
Main
Street,
and
just
also
wanted
to
note
that
the
city
applied
for
tourism,
product
development
funds
to
be
able
to
do
construction
on
that
redesign.
When
we
get
to
that
point
and
I've
linked
to
some
more
information
there.
H
Also.
I
hope
that
I
forwarded
this
to
you
all.
But
staff
has
a
new
streetscape
plan
requirement
for
development
projects
and
it's
not
doesn't
involve
any
code
changes,
but
it
is
just
a
tool
to
ensure
that
we're
getting
the
details
that
we
ask
for
and
look
for
when
it
comes
to
design
elements
that
impact
the
public
Realm.
So
I've
provided
some
more
information
on
that.
H
They
are
planning
to
return
to
the
downtown
Commission
in
November
to
present
updates
to
that
design
plan
and
ask
for
your
feedback,
so
just
want
to
make
you
all
aware
that
that
is
coming
Carter
and
patton
stormwater
project.
So
a
contract
was
approved
by
city
council.
H
I,
think
that
was
in
August
and
work
is
going
to
begin
at
the
beginning
of
November
kind
of
on
the
the
downhill
areas
and
should
move
we'll
continue
to
move
up
towards
Patton
Avenue,
where
it
will
be
mid-January
at
the
earliest.
So
I've
mentioned
that
there
are
some
anticipated
impacts
of
that
work.
Some
lane
closures
and
things
so
I
just
want
to
keep
you
guys
posted
on
that,
particularly
as
it
reaches
Patton,
Avenue
Andrew.
H
I
Is
that
project
does
that
going
to
interact
with
the
development
project
at
the
corner
of
Hilliard
and
clean
it,
because
I
know
that
there's
that
project
is
also
over
some
of
the
storm
drains
there
and
I.
Just
wonder
if
there's
any
interaction
between
those
two
pieces
because
they
seem
to
be
adjacent
or
possibly
overlapping,.
H
I,
don't
think,
there's
overlap
on
that
project
specifically
I
know.
There's
been
coordination,
a
lot
of
coordination
over
the
past
few
years
with
adjacent
Property
Owners,
where
there
are
overlaps
and
impacts.
I
can
double
check
on
that
and
I.
Don't
have
the
that
map
in
front
of
me,
but
it
is
available
on
the
project
page.
So
it's
possible
I,
don't
know
for
sure.
If
at
some
point
you
all
want
our
stormwater
staff
to
come
speak
more
about
that
project.
I'm
sure
they'd
be
happy
to
to
do
so.
Thank.
I
H
Advisory
Board
realignment
so
next
steps
on
that
is
that
the
the
working
group
that
had
been
formed
with
Community
representatives
and
board
Representatives
they're
working
on
a
survey
that
will
go
to
all
board
members
as
well
as
past
board
members
to
get
feedback
on
how
boards
and
commissions
could
be
updated
to
better
reflect
the
goals
that
we
have
for
them.
Being
more
strategic,
effective
and
inclusive.
H
So
I
haven't
seen
the
survey
yet,
but
I'd
look
out
for
that.
And
then
we
expect
to
have
analysis
of
the
survey
in
early
2023
and
that
will
inform
next
steps.
H
Talked
about
development
project
updates
and
design
Review
Committee
that
meets
next
week,
City
Council
meetings
just
provided
a
link
to
Future
agendas.
Those
are
posted
now
in
advance.
The
draft
items
for
the
next
eight
weeks,
so
sometimes
those
change
but
just
want
to
give
you
guys
the
link
to
that
and
other
engagement
opportunities.
I
have
also
included
and
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
No
questions
I
think
we
can
move
on
into
informal
discussion
future
agenda
items.
I,
don't
know
that
we
can
need
to
continue
to
discuss
the
design
review
process
per
se
unless
anyone
has
something
specifically,
they
want
to
talk
about
anything
on
that.
Okay,
I
threw
a
little
bullet
point
on
here
on
Staffing
and
I'm.
Referring
specifically
to
this
is
a
a
fair
amount
of
Buzz
going
on
in
the
design.
Community
right
now
is
that
I
think
Building
Development,
Services,
building
inspections,
safety.
B
Excuse
me
Building,
Safety,
they're
down
roughly
20
percent,
you
know
so
they're
operating
at
80
percent.
I
think
planning
is
down
two
to
three
positions.
You
know
they're
they're
down,
it's
it's
it's
really.
B
It's
really
apparent
in
design
review
times.
Right
now
and
I
know.
This
is
not
just
something
that
happens.
It's
not
just
our
municipality.
It's
happening
in
a
lot
of
municipalities,
but
we're
we're
we're
seeing
a
a
overloaded
staff.
This
goes
into.
B
Obviously,
the
discussion
about
the
The,
Advisory,
Board,
revamp
and
everything
else,
because
we've
just
got
staff
stressed,
stretched
pretty
thin
in
a
lot
of
different
areas
in
a
lot
of
different
ways,
and
it
is
impacting
the
city's
ability
to
just
to
perform
in
a
variety
of
area
areas,
and
so
Sage
is
not
here.
I
just
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
bring
that
up,
but
that's
something
I
think
Council
needs
to
be
deeply
aware
of.
I
see
it
I.
Think
you
see
it
honestly
in
some
public
safety
issues.
B
You
know,
we've
already
had
discussions
about
apd's
ability
to
patrol
and
do
things
I'm,
seeing
it
across
the
board,
basically
in
City
staff
right
now,
I
think
this
goat
I
mean
Parks
and
Rec
I
I'm,
just
seeing
it
kind
of
all
over
the
place
and
I,
don't
know
what
our
ability
to
kind
of
affect
changes
as
a
downtown
commission,
I'm
just
I'm,
beginning
to
to
to
sound
the
alarm
a
bit
that
this
is
something
I
think
the
city
needs
to
take
a
good
hard
look
at
go.
I
Ahead,
Andrew
yeah
I
just
want
to
agree
with
you
in
my
recent
travels
across
the
city.
It's
something
that
I'm
hearing
from
and
I
know
that
the
sort
of
public
narrative
is
focused
on
sort
of
one
particular
Department.
That
is
suffering
staffing
issues
and
I
I,
just
I
simply
don't
see
it
that
way.
I
I
I
So
I
appreciate
that
perspective.
In
that
look.
B
Well
it
it's
it's
one
that
I
can
see.
I
mean
we've
seen
two
key
significant
figures
within
the
planning
department
moved
to
Woodfin.
You
know
so
we're
getting
poached
and
we
need
to
go
to
war
with
Woodfin,
I,
guess
and
anyways
it.
It's
not
just
salary.
It's
it's!
The
housing
cost.
It's
the
ability
to
move
up
within.
B
You
know,
there's
a
variety
of
reasons:
I've
heard
for
people,
you
know
moving
positions,
you
guys
know
this
and
this
and
it's
not
again,
it's
not
just
APD
or
anything
like
that.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
systemic
and
it's
not
just
the
city
of
Asheville
Buncombe,
County,
Henderson
County.
B
B
We
need
to
recognize
that
it's
an
issue
and
it's
impacting
the
ability,
the
city's
ability
to
to
deliver
service
and
and
that
we
as
a
as
a
downtown
commission.
We
should
be
concerned
with
that
and
want
to
try
to
give
counsel
some
kind
of
feedback
hey.
This
is
a
thing,
and
what
are
you
doing
and
what
can
we
do?
B
You
know,
what
can
we?
What
can
we
do?
I,
don't
know
I'm
just
starting
to
raise
it.
So
there
you
go
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
talk
about
it.
Hugely
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
start
talking
about
it.
B
You
know
what
towel:
let's,
let's
do
this,
let's
keep
it
on
our
I'll,
make
it
a
formal
agenda
item
maybe
for
for
next
week
and
maybe
week
or
next
our
next
meeting,
and
maybe
we
can
have
some,
maybe
some
numbers
on
where
the
city
is
across
different
departments
and
how
that's
affecting
we
can
even
start
to
have
a
discussion,
how
that's
affecting
the
city's
ability
to
deliver.
You
know
services
within
the
downtown
and
we
can
make
it
a
downtown
issue
and
talk
about
it.
B
B
This
is
an
issue
that
you
know
honestly
I
mean
go
to
your
favorite
restaurant
everybody's
struggling
to
get
people
to
work
right
now.
So
it's
not
just
a
city
of
Asheville
issue,
but
I
think
there
are
some
particular
things
within
the
city
of
Asheville
proper
as
an
institution
that
is
affecting
their
ability
to
hire
and
retain
the
kind
of
staff
that
we
need
to
deliver.
The
services
that
we
need
I
will
say
that
I'd
like
to
know
more.
So
thank.
B
I
make
it
something
you
know
this,
you
know
I
might
actually
get
to
talk
to
Ben
Woody
since
he's
been
wearing
four
hats
and
that's
honestly,
that's
one
of
the
things
right.
You
know
so
Ben
has
been
serving
as
interim
assistant
manager,
while
also
continuing
in
his
position
as
development
services.
What
is
his
actual
thing
anyway?
What
what
is
his
is?
He
head
of.
H
He
he
was
just
named
as
permanent
assistant
city
manager,.
B
H
B
Yeah
so
so
maybe
we
can,
you
know,
get
Ben
or
someone
like
that
from
on
the
city
manager's
office,
to
talk
to
us
about
Staffing
and
you
know
what's
going
on
and
how
how
to
address
it.
I
B
100
and
that
that's
been
one
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
staff
over
the
years
say
that
it
has
been
difficult.
Is
that
their
the
the
the
the
lack
of
promoting
within
and
the
ability
to
move
around
has
limited
things
so
that
it?
That
probably,
is
a
good
sign,
because
I
would
have
hated
to
lose
bid
he's
been
an
asset
in
development
services,
so
I
hate
to
lose
him
in
development
services,
but
anyway,
okay.
Thank
you,
yeah,
we'll
we'll
make
that
a
a
an
issue
regarding
our
next
meeting.
B
Our
next
meeting
falls
on
Veterans
Day
on
the
11th,
and
so
Dana
suggested
moving
it
to
the
18th.
Does
anyone
have
a
a
huge
issue
with
moving
that
to
the
18th
Megan.