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B
Thanks
amy
good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
february
23
2022
city
of
asheville,
multimodal
transportation
commission
meeting,
my
name
is
dennis
wetzel
and
I
am
the
chair
of
this
group.
Our
meetings
are
continued
to
be
held
virtually
for
the
time
being,
but
there
are
many
ways
for
interested
parties
to
participate
in
this
gathering.
B
The
city
of
asheville's
engagement
hub,
which
includes
a
variety
of
links
and
phone
numbers,
can
be
found
on
the
multimodal
transportation
commission
page
of
the
city
of
asheville's
website
visiting
this
page
is
the
best
way
to
part
take
in
our
virtual
meetings,
members,
staff
and
guests.
Please
remember
to
keep
your
microphones
muted.
B
B
B
Let's
see
that
on
the
list,
john
balsony.
B
Can
you
hear
us
john
john
is
here
on
a
phone
maggie
allman.
B
Hey
maggie
bill,
loftus,
hey.
G
Bill
here
and
I'm
on
the
transit
committee.
H
B
I
B
Kenny
armstrong:
I'm
here,
hi,
hey
there,
he
is
hey.
Pat
katz
is
not
available.
Today,
john
boscone
aye,
maggie
allman.
F
B
Is
to
review
and
approve
the
minutes
from
our
previous
meeting
january
26th
2022.
Can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve.
J
J
D
B
B
Next
item
is
a
public
comment
that
was
told.
There's
no
public
comment
today.
Then
their
first
item
for
new
business
is
the
runaway
closure
request
from
the
avery
project
jessica.
L
Thank
you
I'll
wait
until
amy
is
able
to
get
that
presentation
up.
L
So
we
have
a
lot
of
these
unopened
right-of-ways
across
the
city
and
occasionally
we
get
requests
for
them
to
be
closed
or
abandoned
or
vacated.
Those
are
kind
of
the
terms
that
we
use
and
state
law
requires
that
the
right-of-ways
be
even
though
the
city
does
not
own
them.
L
We,
the
city
council,
has
to
approve
these
closures
and
determine
that
the
closures
will
not
not
have
a
burden
on
the
public
interest
overall.
L
L
L
So
it's
between
patton
and
hilliard,
and
between
clingman
and
pearl
street
and
delray
ventures
is
the
applicant
for
the
closure
and,
as
I
mentioned,
this
alley
has
officially
been
referred
to
as
rear
clingman
avenue,
and
it
does
connect
to
clingman
avenue.
But
it
does
not
go
all
the
way
through
to
pearl
street.
L
L
And
here
you
can
see
a
map
a
little
small,
the
red
boundary
is
the
well.
I
think
I
drew
it
a
little
incorrectly,
but
it's
more
or
less
the
project.
The
avery
project
proposed
foundry
and
the
yellow
line
represents
the
proposed
closure
of
rear
clingman
avenue
and,
as
you
can
see,
it
does
not
go
through
all
the
way
to
pearl
street.
It
just
kind
of
dead
ends
in
the
middle
middle
of
the
block
next
slide.
Please.
L
So
the
closure
request
is
associated
with
the
avery
project.
It
was
formerly
known
as
patent
ii.
The
applicant
delray
ventures
was
the
developer
for
the
patent
apartments,
which
were
recently
built,
maybe
a
couple
years
ago,
fronting
on
patton
avenue,
and
so
the
avery
was
a
new
project
that
they
had
brought
forward
and
has
been
in
the
development
review
process
for
quite
some
time
and
part
of
the
development
review,
or
I
guess
the
application
was
for
conditional
zoning
approval,
and
this
was
considered
by
the
council
last
night
at
their
meeting
and
was
denied.
L
And
this
is
the
this
is
the
alley
you
can
see
the
patent
existing
patent
apartments
on
the
left
and
there's
also
a
u.s
postal
service
fleet
building
right
there
next
slide.
Please.
L
Okay,
hold
on
guys
sorry
gotta.
I
had
to
remove
some
slides.
B
That's
all
right:
the
technology
happens.
I
just
realized
that
I
didn't
introduce
joe
archibald
so
we'll
take
this
time
to
do
that.
Joe
welcome
and
councilman
rooney
has
joined
us
as
well.
Councilman
cost
women
ready.
Please
forgive
me
for
leaving
you
all
off.
I
was
a
little
turned
off
there,
but
you
know
making
sure
everyone
everyone's
here.
We
have
multi
multi
ways
of
connecting
to
the
multimodal,
but
I
think
that's
that's
everybody.
N
Welcome
aboard
lana,
I'm
I
represent
the
I'm,
not
technically
the
liaison
between
the
multimodal
and
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
I'm
the
chair
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
so
welcome.
Welcome
to
the
multimodal.
H
B
L
Oh,
I
think
I
know
what
happened
when
I
made
a
pdf
that
included
the
the
old
slides,
so
I'm
gonna
skip
to
the
end
here
so
essentially.
L
We
we
have
when
we
originally
reviewed
the
project
as
it
moved
forward
towards
this
meeting
as
well
as
council
city
staff
at
trc
had
recommended
that
the
right-of-way
closure
associated
with
the
project
be
approved
or
yeah
recommend
that
it
be
approved
for
closure,
and
we
based
that
recommendation
on
the
proposed
project
itself,
including
its
site
plan,
the
the
fact
that
it
was
to
include
improvement
of
the
bike
lane
on
hilliard
avenue
and
the
the
many
pedestrian
amenities
that
were
going
to
be
provided
through
the
project.
L
However,
since
the
council
meeting
last
evening
and
the
project
was
denied
and
will
not
be
able
to
move
forward
as
as
proposed,
we
are
changing
our
staff
recommendation
to
recommend
that
the
multimodal
recommend
to
the
council
that
the
right-of-way
closure
requests
be
denied.
I
know
that's
a
little
confusing,
and
so
you
know-
and
this
this
all
kind
of
happened
very
quickly,
hence
the
a
little
bit
of
back
and
forth
here.
L
But
we
felt
that,
because
the
project
wasn't
going
to
be
able
to
move
forward
as
proposed
that
we
just
don't
feel
that
it's
appropriate
to
close
this
right-of-way
at
this
time.
Ultimately,
it's
possible
or
likely
that
the
project
will
come
forward
again,
perhaps
in
a
different
in
a
different
format.
If
you
will
different
type
of
project,
a
different
layout,
different
site
plan,
different
conditions-
I
mean
it
could
be
a
very
different
project
in
the
future,
and
so
we
as
staff,
do
not
feel
comfortable
with
closing
this
right
away.
L
At
this
time
given
given
the
conditional
zoning
was
not
approved.
L
So
I
know
that
we
do
have
warren
bug
here
today
and
possibly
the
applicant
as
well,
and
I
and
I
definitely
want
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
seek
to
do
the
request
and
then
we
can
go
from
there.
O
Yeah
good
good
afternoon,
everyone
warren
sugg
with
civil
design
concepts
and
thank
you
jessica
for
the
presentation
yeah.
So
what
we're
here
before
you
today
is
to
to
talk
about
this
right-of-way
closure.
O
It
is
an
area
that
is
currently
really
being
used
as
a
pedestrian
area
and
as
one
of
the
sort
of
conditions
of
the
project
that
was
before
city
council
last
night,
we
were,
we
were
looking
to
close
this,
but
then
still
have
it
as
a
pedestrian
area.
I
think
we
would
still
entertain
that.
I
think
it
makes
the
most
sense,
given
the
way
it's
currently
being
used
and
would
likely
continue
to
be
used
sort
of
with
or
without
the
project,
to
the
to
the
south
moving
forward.
C
O
It
is
landlocked
to
the
east,
as
you
can
see,
there's
some
residential
parcels
between
the
existing
right-of-way
and
before
you
get
to
pearl,
I'm
not
sure,
I'm
sure
maybe
transportation
could
tell
us
better
if
there's
some
sort
of
long-range
plan
to
have
rear,
clingman
avenue
actually
connect
from
clingman
to
pearl.
I
would
seriously
doubt
that
it
is
just
given
its
proximity
to
where
clingman
and
patton
intersect
and
the
that
then
goes
to
240..
O
O
O
Taking
that
picture,
so
you
can
already
start
to
see
some
of
those
steps
that
are
coming
down
off
of
the
patent
today
and
it
is
like,
I
said,
is-
is
used
as
a
as
a
pedestrian
way
the
the
parcels
to
the
right
of
the
page
where
it
says
project
site
those
are
accessed
off
the
page
to
the
right.
So
they
don't,
they
don't
use
it
as
best.
I
know
and
there's
actually
a
gate
located
at
the
end
of
it
with
that
fencing
so
I'll
rest
there
and
in
there.
B
Thanks
warren
joe.
N
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
comments.
You
know
this
had
come
through.
This
project
had
come
through
planning
and
zoning
last
month
and
specifically
related
to
this
alley.
I
know
the
discussion
had
come
up
that
you
know
currently
and
and
for
the
project
that
was
going
to
happen.
That
was
a
necessary
part
of
the
emergency
escape
route.
Essentially,
fire
escape
route
for
the
current
patent,
which
can
end
up
on
a
public
way
like
it
is
right
now,
but
also
for
the
new
the
new
project.
N
I
certainly
agree
with
the
kind
of
the
change
that
staff
has
made
now
to
deny
the
closure,
given
what
we
have
talked
about
for
probably
the
last
year.
As
far
as
revising
these
rights,
right-of-way
closures
and
wanting
to
see
more,
you
know
concrete
proposals,
so
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
to
kind
of
put
that
out
there,
especially
for
you
know
some
of
the
newer
people
that
may
not
have
may
not
have
gone
through
one
of
these.
Yet.
B
Thanks
joel
randy.
D
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
joe
talked
about
a
little
bit
there,
but
historically,
unless
we
had
concrete
plans
for
a
project
to
consider
the
possible
ramifications
of
a
closure,
we
just
denied
it
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
are
things
that
we
understand
about
the
project
that
might
relate
to
the
closure,
so
not
that
we're
against
the
closure
at
this
point
in
time,
just
about
plans
country
plans
for
the
project,
it's
hard
for
us
to
make
a
decision.
So,
historically,
we've
not
approved
the
closure
without
concrete
claims.
D
L
Well,
that's
that's
another
another
issue.
I
suppose
that
we
we
should
speak
to
is
that,
generally
speaking,
the
properties
that
surround
the
area
of
the
closure
or
that
are
adjacent
to
it,
can
determine
how
they
want
that
area
to
be
applied
or
disallocated
divvied
up.
If
you
will
sometimes
it
might
be
split
kind
of
50
50
down
the
center
line
with
with
with
it
getting
absorbed
into
those
surrounding
properties,
or
it
could
be
that
the
whole
thing
goes
to
one
property.
L
So
it's
up
to
the
to
the
adjoining
properties
to
determine
that
in
this
case
the
original
request
it
was
to
essentially
take
that
area
and
add
it
onto
the
parcel
that
would
become
one
consolidated
parcel
for
the
avery
project.
L
There
were,
I
believe,
and
warren,
might
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
that
the
parcels
that
were
to
become
the
avery
project
there
was
nine
of
them
that
were
going
to
be
combined
into
one
and
the
avery
project
would
would
be
on
one
large
parcel
with
this
right-of-way
area
going
to
that
project
to
give
them
some
more
space
for
their
for
their
project.
L
L
So
you
know,
I
think,
that's
another
reason
why
staff
is
recommending
at
this
time
to
deny
the
requests
certainly
can
come
back
again
with
a
new
project
or
even
with
you
know,
additional
information.
Perhaps
it
can
come
back
again
to
this
body
sooner
than
that,
but
at
this
moment
I
think,
there's
too
many
too
many
unknowns
for
us
to
feel
comfortable.
L
You
know
and
give
it,
and
I
should
also
say
that
you
know
the
the
multimodal
commission
is
the
advisory
body
you're,
making
your
recommendation
to
counsel
and
if,
if
you
were
to
you
know,
not
recommend
approval,
the
applicant
still
has
the
opportunity
and
the
right
to
proceed
to
council
if
they
wish
to
do
so
and
they-
and
they
may
wish
to
do
so,.
G
Okay,
thank
you
jessica
for
that
explanation.
It
just
seems
to
me
that
if
I
don't
follow
on,
if
it
were
to
be
closed,
it
seems
to
me
that
part
of
that
decision
ought
to
be
what's
the
intended
use
of
the
of
the
land
in
order
to
allow
it
to
be
closed,
I
I
don't
want
to
put
a
thorn
in
the
works
and
we
don't
have
to
solve
that
right
now,
but
just
seems
like
to
me.
The
ultimate
intent
of
the
land
is
is
part
of
the
decision
making
process.
In
my
mind
anyway,.
P
I
do
yes,
so
just
I
just
wanted
to
make
clear
that
the
way
that
and
jessica
worded
it
correctly
that
essentially
it
would
be
subdivided
to
the
joining
property
owners
and
that's
something
that
we
could
configure.
However,
we
we
being
the
applicant
delray
hilliard,
are
also
the
managing
member
at
delray
at
patton
the
project,
that's
to
the
south
of
this
alley
or
north
of
this
alley,
and
we
plan
to
essentially
use
this
as
our
continued
means
of
egress.
P
So
we
would
create
a
pedestrian
easement
for
that
and
as
far
as
the
post's
office
goes,
they
have
no
intent
to
use
this
alley.
So
we
plan
on
having
them
sign
a
non-warranty
deed
to
dedicate
the
alley
completely
over
to
delray
hilliard,
and
we
would
then
have
a
pedestrian
easement
with
delray
and
patent
so
that
that
is
how
we
would
handle
it
and,
as
far
as
you
know,
the
overall
use
goes
if
the
city
doesn't
have
any
intent
to
use
this
alley,
which,
for
all
intents
purposes,
that's
what
we
have
heard
today.
P
We
believe
that
there's
still
a
project
to
be
had
here,
despite
what
happened
last
night,
so
I
would
ask
that
you
all
you
know,
put
this
into
consideration
when
thinking
whether
you
would
approve
this
abandonment
solely
based
on
the
fact
that
is
the
city.
What
does
the
city
have
to
benefit
from
keeping
this
alley
open
under
its
current
ownership?.
B
Thanks
daniel
michael.
E
Yeah,
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
to
talk
about
this
policy
as
a
whole.
Since
I've
been
on
this
commission.
I
think
this
has
come
up
multiple
times
and
it
seems
somewhat
confusing
as
far
as
like
who
owns
who
doesn't
own
and
I've
asked
that
question
multiple
times.
I
think
the
last
time
we
brought
this
up.
E
It
was
well,
nobody
owns
it
and
that's
because
the
original
you
know
person
who
had
owned
the
property
and
subdivided
it
up
and
put
up
a
an
easement
for
a
road
in
and
had
dedicated
to
the
city.
The
city
has
never
claimed.
E
You
know
the
dedication
and
such
that
now
it
becomes
a
kind
of
a
a
a
property
in
limbo
where
the
city
doesn't
own
it,
but
the
property
owners
don't
own
it,
but
I'd.
E
And
I
I
don't
understand
why
we
would
do
that.
I
mean
everybody
has
something
to
gain
here,
except
for
the
city.
The
city
is
just
going
to
be
giving
away
property
because
currently
it
says
it
doesn't
own
it,
but
it'd
be
pretty
easy
for
it
to
claim
ownership
if
it
wanted
to
so.
Q
Yeah,
so
I
know
that
the
subject
of
public
rights
of
way
these
publicly
dedicated
rights
of
way
are
confusing
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
shannon
tuck.
I
work
with
the
planning
and
urban
design
department
and
work
with
jessica
on
these.
These
questions,
but
the
public
dedication,
as
commissioner
stratton
has
said
that
it
doesn't
ever
really
expire,
there's
no
statute
of
limitations,
and
that's
because
we,
the
city,
feel
that
and
the
reason
we
don't
want
to
all.
Q
Alleys
are
very
valuable,
particularly
in
our
downtown
or
in
our
more
densely
populated
and
urbanized
areas,
because
they
provide
opportunities
for
off-street
loading
for
access
to
parking
for
secondary
access
to
sites,
and
that
keeps
all
that
congestion
off
the
main
streets,
klingman
avenue
and
hilliard
avenue
both
are
key
pedestrian
streets
designated
key
pedestrian
streets
in
our
downtown.
So
we
want
to
do
what
we
can
to
preserve
the
integrity
of
those
streets
for
pedestrian
environments
and
allies
have
a
really
important
part
to
that.
Q
Without
the
development
plan
it
does
make
it
a
little
tricky
like
oftentimes
development
plans
can
address
some
of
those
concerns,
and
so
that's
why
we
look
for
those
development
plans
to
kind
of
help.
Answer
those
questions
before
we
decide
on
a
closure
or
not.
Now
that
we
don't
have
that
approved
plan,
we
don't
know
what
the
future
use
or
what
the
design
of
that
site
will
be,
and
so
we
don't
know
if
there's
going
to
be
that
public
benefit
for
for
use
of
that
alley.
Q
They're
at
least
serve
other
purposes
too.
They
can
provide
opportunities,
for
you
know:
utility
placement,
public
or
even
private.
In
some
cases
the
pedestrian
access
is
really
helpful
and
it's
really
valuable
and
we
like
allies
for
that
purpose
as
well,
but
it's
not
the
only
purpose
that
they
serve
and
so
without
more
information.
It's
just
a
little
bit
hard
to
know.
Q
You
know
what
to
expect
and
how
the
public
benefit
will
be
secured
without
that
development
plan.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
inform
the
conversation
at
all,
but
from
a
planning
perspective,
these
are
really
valuable
and
we
want
to
try
to
preserve
them
when
we
can
or
when
it
makes
sense.
E
Q
Q
You
know
things
of
that
nature
or
utility
access
they're,
not
really
for
the
purpose
of
private
development
and
so
the
city.
I
think
I
think
the
key
to
answering
that
question
is
remembering
that
these
are
publicly
dedicated,
so
they're
for
a
public
benefit.
They're
for
public
use,
the
city
as
the
the
sort
of
public
entity
involved
has
the
opportunity.
We
have
an
interest
in
this,
but
once
we
accept
it,
we
have
to
accept
maintenance
of
it,
so
that
that
could
be.
Q
One
reason
why
we
don't
just
aren't
you
know,
just
as
a
general
rule,
accept
responsibility
for
all
of
these
public
publicly
dedicated
alleys,
because
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
assume
that
maintenance
responsibility
at
this
point
in
time.
Until
we
know
what
the
larger
plan
is,
there
are
some
alleys
in
our
downtown,
especially
that
are
publicly
maintained,
but
for
the
most
part,
they're,
not
they're,
also
for
the
purpose
of
private
development,
I
mean
the
the
people
who
typically
the
property
owners
that
typically
abut
these
also
have
an
interest
in
that
alley.
Q
So
it's
not
just
the
public
benefit.
It's
also
to
serve
those
private
property
owners
to
provide
access
to
those
properties
as
well.
So
it's
kind
of
a
balance
like
we
aren't
the
only
party
who
has
an
interest
in
it
and
our
main
interest
in
these
alleys
is
for
transportation
connection
for
access
to
to
help
keep
traffic
congestion
off
the
main
streets,
it's
not
really
to
as
a
revenue
stream.
E
L
Okay,
I
think
you
know,
I
think
we
can
continue
to
have
that
conversation
about
about
future
policy
revisions,
but
in
the
interest
of
time
and
and
with
respect
to
the
applicant
and
their
time.
I
I
think
that
if
we
could
focus
on
this
particular
request
at
this
time,
that
would
be
great.
J
J
K
B
O
Yes,
so
one
question
I
had
with
this
being
a
key
pedestrian
way,
both
klingman
and
hilliard.
I
was
just
curiosity
of
what
the
multimodals
thoughts
are
on
on
closing
driveways,
where
you
have
an
opportunity
to
make
that
a
better
situation.
I
I
get
some
of
the
conversations
that
are
going
on
that
are
sort
of
side
bar,
but
I
was
just
curious
when
you
do
have
an
opportunity
where
it
is
being
used
predominantly
as
a
pedestrian
way
to
get
people
in
and
out,
and
we
are
trying
to
cut
down
on
driveways
on
those
sidewalks.
O
H
N
Warren,
I'm
kind
of
glad
you
brought
that
up.
I
was
actually
going
to
flip
that
perhaps
the
other
way
and
say
that
that
would
be
a
great
place
for
off-street
loading,
unloading
and
things
like
that
and
you
know
eliminating
you
know.
N
A
curb
cut,
it's
already
a
you
know,
I
won't
say
it's
an
obstacle,
but
but
it's
already
something
that
exists
and
could
that
be
used
to
the
advantage
of
the
project
like
a
normal
alley.
You
know,
if
you
think,
about
in
other
cities,
so
that
would
be
my
you
know,
kind
of
suggestion.
N
I
guess
if
I
was
to
look
for
a
you
know
bright
spot
in
this.
You
know
suggest
to
you
and
the
developer-
hey.
Maybe
when
you
rethink
about
this
project
using
that
as
a
way
to
to
do
those
deliveries
or
something
like
that,
more.
D
That's
exactly
why
we
want
to
see
the
plans,
because
those
are
things
we're
not
considered.
Does
it
having
that
open,
make
it
more
dangerous
for
bikes
and
pedestrians
in
transit,
or
does
it
make
it
less
dangerous?
And
we
don't
know
until
we
see
the
plan?
That's
why
it's
really
hard
for
us
to
approve
a
closure
like
this.
Until
we
see
the
plans,
because
joe
is
exactly
right,
it
could
make
it
better
or
can
make
it
worse,
and
without
that
information,
it's
hard
for
us
to
make
a
decision.
B
There's
no
current
plan
there.
If
we
were
to
transfer
this,
we
would
not.
We
would
lose
the
opportunity
to
have
a
plan
in
the
future.
Should
this
other
project
not
go
through.
Is
that
true.
L
L
It
could
be
that
the
that
the
house
to
the
east
of
this-
you
know
east
of
this
alley,
that
dead
ends
goes
away
sometime
and
maybe
there
is
a
possibility
for
a
pedestrian
or
for
a
vehicular
connection.
L
You
know
inadvertently
shoot
ourselves
in
the
foot
at
a
later
date
and
that's
that's
really
what
it
comes
down
to,
and
you
know
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
project
itself
or
its
merits
or
what
it
was
proposing.
Its
uses
like
it's
not
about
the
project
at
all,
it's
about
the
the
connectivity
and
the
opportunity
and
what
and
and
when
we
have
the
development
plan
in
hand.
That
is
the
best
case
scenario,
because
then
we
we
know
that
that
project
is
is
going
to
take
place
and
that
that's
what's
going
to
be
implemented.
K
C
So
a
couple
of
things
just
wanted
to
chime
in
so
I
do
agree
that
we
should
preserve
these
uses,
especially
in
this
particular
case.
But
going
to
what
michael
michael's
comment,
you
know
when
a
property
transfers
to
the
property
owner
the
property
owner
is
going
to
be
paying
taxes
on
it.
C
So
the
city
is
going
to
gain
money
that
way
and
if
a
property
is
improved,
the
property
taxes
are
going
to
increase
and
the
city
is
going
to
have
money
for
sidewalks
and
roads
and
all
those
things.
So
I
think
that
while
I
see
that
like
it
could
be
perceived
as
an
opportunity,
it's
a
right
of
way,
which
is
similar
to
an
easement,
where
you
know,
there's
easements
for
utilities
that
it's
still
the
property
owner's
property,
but
somebody
else
can
come
in
and
use
that
property.
C
E
Michael
yeah,
I
I
would
agree
that
absolutely
you're
going
to
have
a
tax
advantage
if,
if
we
seed
that
over
to
a
private
ownership-
but
we
would
get
that
anyway,
regardless
if
we
sold
the
property,
I'm
just
saying
we
should
get
the
sale
of
the
property
plus
the
tax
revenue
out
of
it,
and
just
to
be
clear.
These
these
parcels
are
not
currently
owned
by
those
property
owners.
E
They
were
owned
by
the
original
developer.
Who
developed
you
know
the
50
acres
downtown
and
cut
it
all
into
pieces,
including
the
roads.
They
gave,
that
road
to
the
city
and
the
city
never
accepted
the
road,
so
it
becomes
a
legal
limbo
of
as
far
as
who
owns
it.
So
if
you
give
it
away,
yes
excuse
to
those
two
budding
property
owners,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
you
know,
but
do
that
by
default
we
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
give
it
away
for
free,
john.
C
Having
been
on
the
development
side
of
things,
it's
like,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
make
things
more
comp
make
people
jump
through
more
hoops,
there's
a
lot
of
hoops
to
jump
through
and
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
and
it's
not
to
make
it
harder
or
to
make
it
more
expensive
for
somebody
to
develop
something.
It
just
seems.
C
I
don't
know
it
just
seems
misguided.
I
guess
to
make
things
it
seems.
Opportunistic,
I
guess
is
my
is
my
take
on
it
to
look
into
that.
B
Thanks
we'll
definitely
look
at
that
kind
of
independent
of
this.
This
issue
without
further
comment,
entertain
emotion,.
D
Deny
this
request?
Because
we
don't
have
information
about
the
proposed
project.
B
A
second
leanne
a
second
any
other
comment
or
question
without
comment.
A
question
we'll
take
a
vote
on
the
motion
to
recommend
the
city
council
deny
the
request
to
close
rare
clingman
avenue:
randy
warren
hi,
michael
stratton,
hi,
kenny,
armstrong,
hi,
john
bossoni
hi,
maggie
allman
hi
bill
loftus,
hi,
leona,
joyner
aye,
and
I
vote
I
as
well.
The
motion
carries
thanks.
Everyone
for
participating
on
that
item.
A
I
would
like
to
say
just
really
quickly.
I
know
you
all
received
an
email
today,
but
our
get
our
gaap
survey
was
launched
yesterday.
So
please
take
it.
We
sent
one
that
is
specifically
for
boards
and
commission
members
that
you
cannot
share
and
then
another
one
that
you
can
share
with
all
your
family,
friends
and
neighbors.
So
please
take
that
survey.
J
So
some
of
this
I
know
is
familiar
to
you
all,
I'm
christy
carter
and
with
traffic
planning
and
design,
and
we
were
here
a
while
ago
to
give
kind
of
an
interim
update,
and
this
is
the
the
this
is
the
last
time
you'll
hear
from
us
kind
of
the
final
recommendations
update
the
final
plan
will
be
ready
and
we'll
cover
that.
But
what
we're
going
to
do
is
take
you
through
give
you
the
general
overview,
much
shorter
overview
of
how
we
work
through
to
get
to
the
recommendations.
J
Then
we
need
a
sidewalk
network
which
is
made
up
of
sidewalks
that
are
accessible
to
people
who
have
disabilities.
So
that's
the
ada
transition
plan
and
that's
talking
about
improving
existing
sidewalks
that
are
on
the
ground
today
and
then
the
pedestrian
plan,
which
is
filling
gaps
with
new
sidewalks
or
new
facilities.
J
Both
we
have
three
types
of
those
called
spines,
arterials
and
neighborhood
greenways
that
connect
people
who
walk
and
bike
to
places
and
promote
cross-city
connections
for
the
ada
transition
plan.
What's
in
the
plan,
you'll
see
a
plan
to
improve
those
existing
facilities
that
are
in
the
public
right-of-way
along
key
transportation
corridors,
and
the
vision
is
that
people
who
have
disabilities
can
travel
along
barrier-free,
priority
pedestrian
corridors
that
are
ada
compliant
to
the
maximum
maximum
extent
feasible
and
then,
as
far
as
the
pedestrian
plan.
J
J
The
vision
for
the
pedestrian
plan
is
that
asheville
is
a
place
where
people
can
walk
from
their
home
to
key
destinations
along
a
network
of
streets
and
greenways
that
are
designed
for
comfortable
pedestrian
travel,
and
so,
if
we
look
at
the
the
network
switch
to
that,
so
what
we
know
you
all
know
this
as
mmtc
members-
and
we
know
this
from
working
on
the
plan
and
staff
certainly
know
this-
that
there
are
a
lot
of
needs
across
the
city
and
there
is
no
way
that
the
city
can
cut
one
check
to
take
care
of
everything
at
one
time,
so
we
had
to
figure
out
how
to
this
thing
is
on
automatic
and
shouldn't
be.
J
We
need
to
prioritize.
We
need
to
prioritize
the
network,
so
we
can
figure
out
what
do
we
fix
and
build?
First,
however,
we're
not
really
going
to
build
everything
at
all
the
high
priority
projects
first,
so
we
want
to
be
clear
that
prioritization
does
not
equal
the
order
of
construction
because
of
circumstances.
Some
projects
are
much
more
complicated
than
others.
Some
rely
on
partners
like
ncdot.
J
There
are
a
variety
of
reasons
why
a
road
like
merriman
avenue
or
tunnel
avenue,
even
though
they're
really
score
really
high
in
the
prioritization
and
are
really
important
connectors.
It
is
entirely
possible
that
other
projects
are
going
to
get
done
before
those
top
priority
projects.
Because
of
some
of
those
factors
that
we
mentioned,
the
goal
is
to
get
a
number
of
projects
into
the
city
planning
and
development
pipeline,
so
that
there's
always
something
in
the
works.
J
So
I'm
going
to
talk
us
through
the
first
part
of
how
we
got
to
the
the
priorities
and
just
again
our
prioritization
goal
was
to
identify
the
corridors
in
the
city
with
the
greatest
need
for
connections
and
improvement
and
maintenance,
and
to
get
there,
we
did
a
destination
and
equity
analysis.
We
developed
a
safety
score,
a
connectivity
score
and
a
public
input
score
and
for
the
destination
and
equity
score.
J
Came
up
with
a
matrix
that
or
another
matrix,
a
ranking
system
that
said
here
are
the
areas
that
have
the
most
need
and
the
highest
concentrations
of
of
destinations
where
people
need
to
go
need
to
get
to
and
cristiano.
You
just
sent
me
a
message.
My
camera
is
actually
on.
I
don't
know
why
it's
not
showing
I'll
try
it
again.
M
S
Okay,
awesome
thank
you
yeah,
so
the
we
had
done
as
christie
described.
We-
and
I
think,
we've
talked
to
you
all
before
so
we
just
want
to
do
a
quick
recap
of
this,
so
the
prioritization
was
the
destination
score
in
the
equity
score
and
then
the
safety
element
right
so
identifying
areas
of
the
city
where.
S
Where
it's
unsafe,
if
due
to
exposure
to
vehicles
right
so
some
of
the
factors,
would
be
the
traffic
speed
on
the
adjacent
roadway?
What
is
the
traffic
volume?
How
many
lanes
of
traffic
are
there
and
we
also
looked
at
crash
history?
S
How
dangerous
is
that
right,
and
so
the
image
on
the
bottom
right
shows
patton
avenue,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
like
six
lane,
six
to
seven
lane
cross
section
there,
that's
obviously
at
those
speeds
and
that
volume
gonna
be
more
dangerous
than
a
road
like
murdoch,
which
is
the
top
right
photo,
which
is
a
lower
speed,
lower
volume
road.
S
So
the
way
we
captured
that
was
giving
points
based
on
speed,
volume
and
lanes
zero
to
five
points,
five
being
the
most
dangerous
and
then,
if
there
was
a
crash
pedestrian
crash
history,
we
gave
extra
points
for
that.
So
if
there
was
a
fatality
or
more
than
two
crashes,
a
roadway
could
score
up
to
seven
points.
An
example
of
that
is
the
image
in
the
bottom
right
of
patent
avenue,
where
there
is
a
crash
history.
The
speeds
are
over
45
miles
per
hour.
S
Volumes
are
high,
so
just
to
give
you
an
idea
there
that
that
played
in
on
the
prioritization
and
then
one
of
the
other
factors
is
that
anything
under
9000
vehicles
per
day
or
that,
where
we
don't
have
traffic
counts,
they
all
kind
of
get
scored
the
same
safety
wise,
but
some
of
them
may
be
cul-de-sacs
and
some
of
them
may
be
just
neighborhood
connectors.
So
we
had
to
find
a
way
to
kind
of
capture.
S
How
do
we
prioritize
the
pedestrian
network,
where
it's
the
primary
spine,
where
people
get
around
town,
so
we
classified
roadways
as
primary
spines
secondary
spine
like
a
duplicative
roadway,
or
is
it
a
collector
that
connects
to
neighborhoods
and
so
on?
So
we
gave
a
point
range
zero
to
five
based
on
the
connectivity
score,
and
then
we
had
two
rounds
of
public
input,
january
2021
and
october
2021..
S
So
we
wanted
to
identify
areas
with
known
concerns
like
hear
people
out
here
this,
this
location's
unsafe
this
I'm
having
a
hard
time
getting
around
in
this
location,
and
we
wanted
that
to
factor
in
so
anything
during
the
surveys
that
we
heard
from
more
than
75
times
like
merriman
avenue,
patton
avenue.
We
heard
a
lot
of
comments
on
those.
Those
are
the
red
images
on
the
right,
the
red
lines.
S
S
Some
example:
roads
are
new
hot
creek,
kennel
worth
state
street
new
leicester
highway
and
then
those
that
got
mentioned,
but
not
more
than
25
times
cut
on
the
lower
threshold.
Those
got
plus
one
and
if
they
didn't
get
mentioned
at
all,
they
didn't
get
any
public
info
points.
S
So
we
put
all
that
together
and
the
total
score
could
be
up
to
20
points.
That
was
step
one
and
then
we
broke
it
into
groups.
So
there's
the
pedestrian
plan,
which
are
quarters
that
don't
have
sidewalks
now
that
need
them
so
locations
for
new
sidewalk
and
then
the
ada
transition
plan
are
the
corridors
that
do
have
sidewalk.
Now
that
just
need
to
be
upgraded
and
then
we
broke
them
further
down
into
two
lists
under
each
of
those.
S
So
the
ncdot
streets
are
going
to
have
different
partnership,
different
challenges
and
implementation
than
city
of
asheville
streets.
So
we
broke
them
out
by
category
and
so
the
next
step
here,
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
those
results,
and
then
we
can
take
some
question
and
answer
on
this
when
we're
done
here.
S
So
just
a
quick
reminder:
pedestrian
projects
are
filling
the
gaps
in
sidewalk
and
connections
to
transit,
but
also
improving
safety
at
crossings,
improving
the
frequency
of
crossings,
widening
sidewalks,
providing
better
separation
from
traffic
with
buffers,
and
then
we
also
looked
at
coordination
with
other
planned
projects.
So
you
know
they're,
widening
project
bicycle
projects
such
as
the
study
that
was
done
on
hendersonville
road
and
things
like
lighting
and
amenities.
S
S
So
let
me
just
show
you
what
you're
looking
at
so
when
you
review
it,
you
have
a
point
of
reference
so
on
the
left
is
a
table
and
it
has
anything
that
had
a
score
of
19
was
in
priority
group
one
for
implementation,
then
the
next
score
down
was
18,
so
that
was
group.
Two
group
three
is
17
and
so
on
so
based
on
how
they
scored
they
got
grouped.
And
if
you
look
on
the
map
groups,
one
and
two
are
all
red.
S
So
you'll
see
merriman
tunnel,
road,
patton,
avenue,
leicester,
new
leicester,
highway
and
then
groups.
Three
and
four
are
orange
groups,
five
and
six.
So
that's
their
priority
rankings
just
to
see
where
things
fell.
So
this
map
this
table
shows
groups
one
through
five.
S
So,
just
to
give
you
a
point
of
reference
for
what
you're
seeing
on
the
map
and
then
the
city
of
asheville,
it
helped
to
group
those
separately
because
those
are
often
like
the
the
d.o.t
roads
are
the
higher
volume
wider
roads
higher
speed
roads,
so
they
scored
higher
so
for
us
to
really
prioritize
city
streets
they're
in
a
different
scoring
range,
so
the
top
score
for
those
was
15
and
that
was
lexington
avenue
downtown.
S
So
that's
group,
one
group,
two
hillier
d
review,
those
had
a
14.,
so
you
can
see
those
are
in
orange
and
they
they
highlight.
They
show
up
that
way.
So
you
can
walk
through
all
these
as
well.
They
go
down.
You
can
see
the
scoring
and
how
they
how
they
fed
the
priority
groups.
S
And
then
this
is
through
there's
five
groups
of
those
anything
that
scored
11
or
higher.
S
And
there's
a
lot
of
detail
on
this
table.
It
is
we're
going
to
provide
this
to
you
to
go
through.
So
this
is
the
breakdown.
Once
we
develop
the
grouping,
you
can
find
the
road
name
its
segment,
what
how
it
scored
if
there
is
already
a
project.
What
is
the
funding
status?
What's
the
funding
number
so,
for
example,
lester
highway
has
an
ncdot
number
and
the
next
step
in
project
development.
So
the
right-of-way
is
the
next
step.
What
is
the
project
description,
sidewalk,
one
side
of
crossings
and
then
also?
S
What
are
the
pedestrian
ada
needs
for
that
corridor,
and
we
also,
as
we
did
a
scan
of
these
roadways,
I
gave
an
initial
ada
conditions
rating
to
those
so,
for
example,
on
leicester
highway,
there's
some
new
sections
of
sidewalks,
so
they're
in
good
condition.
S
They
will
eventually
need
to
be
reviewed
to
make
sure
they're
fully
compliant,
but
just
to
give
an
idea
of
the
conditions.
So
when
you
look
at
when
the
city
is
looking
at
prioritizing
next
steps
and
projects,
you
can
look
at
the
condition
to
see
how
severe
that
is.
If
there
are
existing
ada
sections
in
these
sidewalk
project
corridors,
so
once
you
look
at
this,
you
can
see
lester's
funded
tunnel
road
is
planned.
Patent
road
is
bond
funded
some
portion
of
it,
merriman
avenue,
is
being
studied.
S
S
S
And
then
we
did
the
same
process
for
ada
corridors,
so
you'll
see
again
just
reminding
folks
that
20
26,
nearly
a
quarter
of
all
adults
in
the
united
states,
have
some
sort
of
disability
and
that
this
this
is
a
requirement.
S
It's
a
federal
act,
the
ada
act
that
protects
people
from
being
discriminated
discriminated
against,
and
it
is
essential
to
upgrade
all
existing
facilities
in
in
the
city.
So
this
is
the
plan
to
do
that
to
update
all
of
the
public
right-of-way
facilities,
so
projects
that
are
on
this
list
that
have
been
prioritized
will
include
things
like
upgrading,
curb
ramps,
fixing,
sidewalk
cracks
and
gaps,
removing
obstacles
and
so
on.
So
I
won't
go
through
this
whole
list.
You
can
review
that
later
so
again,
broken
down
by
ncdot
groups.
S
You
can
see
that
the
top
score
was
tunnel.
Road,
new,
hawk
creek
to
porter's
cove,
and
so
there
are
some
existing
sections
of
sidewalks
you'll,
also
notice,
there's
a
pedestrian
project
for
that
quarter,
because
there
are
gaps
and
there
are
existing
sections
of
sidewalks.
So
when
these
advance
into
project
development,
both
of
those
elements
will
need
to
be
considered
as
to
develop
a
scope
of
work.
S
Biltmore
ave
is
the
second
one
with
fairview
road
and
you
can
see
where
those
are
and
what
the
segments
are
by
look
identifying
the
number
on
the
map,
and
so
those
are
again
ncdot
roads.
Anything
11
or
higher
got
scored
as
far
as
the
total
score
and
then
the
city
of
asheville
ada
transition
plan
groups,
the
highest
ranking,
one
was
patent
avenue,
that
was
an
18
and
that
was
patton
avenue
downtown,
where
it's
not
an
ncdot
road.
S
So
you
can
see
in
this
insert
in
the
map
on
the
bottom
right
project
1a
would
be
patent
avenue
coming
into
town,
2a
would
be
lexington
avenue,
2b,
haywood
and
you'll
know.
Some
of
these
have
already
been
recently
updated,
so
the
process.
The
way
we
did
this
corridor
approach
is
that
each
corridor
will
have
a
scan,
and
if
it's
in
good
condition,
then
we
can
move
to
the
next
quarter
on
the
list
and
start
improving
those.
S
So
the
idea
is
to
have
a
stepwise
way
to
approach
the
city's
ada
evaluations
by
starting
at
the
highest
priority
roads
and
then
moving
down
the
list
for
projects
and
again
you'll
have
a
chance
to
review
these.
We'll
just
provide
these
to
you.
It
was
everything,
scored,
11
and
up
and
similar
to
the
pedestrian
projects.
We
developed
a
project
description
for
these
ada
projects
as
well,
so
I'll
give
you
an
example,
merriman
avenue
2c.
If
you
follow
that
across.
S
Obviously
it's
it's
planned,
it
needs
to
be
there's
that
one's
in
flux,
so
the
project
status
may
need
to
be
updated.
S
Based
on
the
outcome
of
the
next
couple
weeks
of
public
engagement,
project
description
would
be
road
diet
with
complete
streets
element,
but
one
of
the
things
we
call
out
there
is
that,
from
an
ada
perspective,
beyond
completing
sidewalk
gaps
or
widening
sidewalks,
we
need
more
frequent
crossings
and
ada
upgrades
as
well
so
and
you'll
see
the
ada
conditions
rating
on
that
one
is
a
five
which
means
poor
condition
needs
significant,
ada
upgrades,
so
you
can
look
at
how
this
would
go
into
programming
and
what
gets
prioritized
for
next
steps.
S
Those
tables
will
be
complete
via
review
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
kim
to
go
over
the
greenway
results
before
we
open
it
up
to
questions.
So
I'm
going
to
stop
sharing
and
equinox
has
developed
the
greenway
plan
and
she
can
step
in
and
show
you
what
we
put
in
the
recommendations
there.
I
T
I'm
kim
williams,
I'm
with
equinox
we're
a
local
firm
and
do
a
lot
of
greenway
planning
and
design
in
the
region,
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
an
overview
of
the
greenway
master
plan,
as
proposed
as
a
draft
for
the
greenway
plan.
So
we
use
a
similar
process
as
the
other
ada
and
sidewalk
prioritization.
T
T
So
first
we
looked
at
prioritization
based
on
the
equity
and
destination
score,
which
I
I
do
believe,
there's
a
question
about
parks
and
other
destinations
that
that
was
included
in
this
destination
and
equities
score.
So
the
warmest
colors
on
this
map
are
representative
of
the
highest
destination
and
equity
scores,
so
we
analyzed
the
existing
greenway
plan
and
any
proposed
routes
against
this.
We
also
looked
at
constructability,
some
of
the
original
proposed
greenway
alignments
weren't
as
constructible.
T
T
T
T
This
is
an
example
showing
how
that
whole
network
of
typology
works
works
together.
So
your
spine
is
that
main
system,
think
of
the
swannanoa
or
the
french,
broad,
greenway
and
arterials,
are
a
bit
smaller,
and
then
you
have
also
your
neighborhood
greenways,
so
those
are
going
to
be
on
street
and
ways
to
readapt
our
streets
to
make
them
safer,
and
then
we
have
the
natural
surface
trails
and
those
could
be
either
hubs
that
aren't
necessarily
connected
to
a
bigger
system
or
a
way
to
get
to
these
other
types
of
greenways.
T
So
the
spine
is
the
largest
typology
and
you
can
see
on
the
map
to
your
right.
There
are
numerous
greenways,
and
some
of
these
are
new,
so
we'll
talk
about
those,
but
the
spine
is
going
to
be
the
largest
it's
a
14
foot
greenway.
That
may
seem
large
to
some
of
you.
T
The
standard
typically
is
12,
but
we're
seeing
in
some
cases
that
that
is
actually
12
feet
is
exceeding
its
level
of
service
and
an
example
of
that
is
the
wilma
dikeman
green
greenway
that
I
was
actually
designed
to
have
complementary
bike
paths
because
it
was
just
known.
It
was
going
to
exceed
its
level
of
capacity,
so
that
is
one
factor,
and
it
also
will
extend
the
amount
of
easement
that
the
city
will
need
to
ask
for.
T
T
I'll
talk
about
more
of
these
projects
that
are
in
the
top
10
projects,
the
projects
bouldered
we'll
talk
more
about,
and
then
there
we
have
arterials
so
think
of
the
existing
reed
creek
greenway.
These
are
serving
neighborhoods
and
a
lot
of
them
connecting
to
the
main
spine,
greenways,
so
they're,
your
secondary
arterial
grain
ways
and
they're,
the
typical
12-foot
greenway
and
less
amenities,
we're
thinking
those
spines
probably
have
a
lot
more
amenities
trailheads.
T
These
probably
have
less
and
here's
your
list
of
arterial,
greenways
and
the
river
to
ridge,
for
example
those
that
connect
up
to
the
bowcatcher.
The
bow
catcher
greenway
is
an
example
of
arterial.
T
T
T
So
it's
having
adding
sidewalks
or
bike
lanes
or
we're
trying
to
route
where
there
are
existing
sidewalks
shared
street
lots
of
traffic
calming
or
opportunities
to
add,
more
traffic
diversions
and
an
important
part
of
this
is
way
finding.
So
the
idea
is
that
you
can
use
a
neighborhood
greenway
to
connect
from
your
neighborhood
to
an
arterial
or
greenway
spine
and
have
a
whole
connected
system
through
the
city.
T
T
I
T
Vet
some
of
these,
especially
the
pilot
projects
to
vet
them,
make
sure
that
they
work
analyze
them
from
a
traffic
perspective.
T
So
an
example
of
some
top
priority
pilot
projects.
One
thing
we
heard
a
lot
about
is
the
lakeshore
drive
is
a
real
need.
There's
a
lot
of
traffic
on
that.
T
T
So
these
are
some
of
the
prioritization
for
public
input
based
on
on
the
public.
We
did
not
have
the
public
rank,
greenway
spines,
because
they're
already
identified
as
being
super
critical
through
things
like
the
hellbender
trail
system
and
public
input.
So
you
can
take
a
look
at
that
and
see
how
those
ranked
top
being
highest
priority
by
the
public.
T
So
the
top
10
projects
are
number
one.
It's
wanna
know
greenway.
This
has
the
greatest
potential
to
be
a
major,
east-west
connector.
It's
part
of
the
hellbender
trail
system
and
the
fonta
flora
trail
state
trail.
So
there's
also
a
lot
of
happening
on
it.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
each
of
these,
but
we
can
address
any
questions
about
that.
T
I
do
want
to
address
a
few
real
quickly
that
are
new
the
west
asheville
railway
trail
and
deever
view
connector.
T
That
was
in
the
existing
previous
plan,
but
we
added
a
connection
to
the
d
review
community
because
there's
a
high
equity
score
there
we
added
also
there
is
a
part
right
here
that
would
connect
a
new
greenway
through
jake
rusher
park
to
along
hendersonville
hendersonville
road
as
a
shared
use
path
and
then
connect
into
a
whole
greenway
system.
That's
proposed
along
lake
julian.
J
I
mean
I
can
yeah
so
the
next
steps,
the
there
are
two
two
pieces.
Well,
we
have
the
survey
open
now
we're
going
to
show
you
the
links
to
those
in
just
a
second
and
we're
gearing
up
to
have
the
draft
plan
completely
done
between
march
and
april
and
go
into
council
in
may.
I
J
The
two
things
that
will
that
may
change
or
tweak
the
plan
at
this
point
are
we're
soliciting
input
on
those
the
top
ten
greenways.
Like
ken
mentioned,
we
have
the
survey
out
and
we
have
another
another
round
of
focus
groups
that
we'll
go
through
to
just
kind
of
assemble
our
presentation
to
those
folks
and
then,
if
you
go
to
the
next
one,
sorry
I
think
that's
it
cam.
Your
link
may
not
have
had
I'm
sorry.
Let
me
go
to
mine
I'll.
Just
pick
up
sharing.
T
J
I'm
just
going
to
tell
you
what
I
was
going
to
show
you.
We
have
the
sir.
We
have
a
survey
slide
in
here
and
that's
the
last
thing
that
we
we're
going
to
show
you
and
for
whatever
reason,
I'm
hung
up,
but
we
will
send
you
or
sounds
like
it
has
already
sent
you
the
links
we
have.
We
have
the
links
to
the
survey
open.
J
We
have
a
set
of
promotional
promotional
materials
that,
if
you
want
to
share
with
your
networks
that
lucy
will
be
able
to
get
to
you
and
so
what
we're
asking
is
to
share
those
widely
and
broadly,
we
are
doing
one
thing
a
little
bit
differently
than
we
have
with
the
previous
surveys.
J
What
do
I
tell
the
neighbors
to
say?
I
already
took
this.
You
say
good,
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Your
input
is
very
important
to
us.
That
was
a
question
from
michael
that
popped
in.
I
lost
my
train
of
thought
with
that
christy.
S
S
Yeah
so
a
couple
people
are
asking
us:
this
is
a
new
survey
and
yes,
it
is,
and
this
has
the
results.
So
that's
where
it
is
important
for
folks
to
take
a
look
and
so
the
survey
just
so
you
all
know
all
it
has
an
explainer
video
well
pretty
much
a
reduced,
condensed
version
of
what
we
just
went
over
with
you
all.
S
And
so,
when
you
go
through
this
it'll
explain
what
the
greenway
spines
are
and
then
you
have
a
chance
to
explore
this,
so
you
can
click
on
them
find
out
about
each
of
them
find
out
what
it's
ranked,
and
then
you
get
a
chance
to
tell
us
what
you
think
about
it,
and
then
we
go
through
the
arterials
neighborhood
greenways
and
then,
if
you
want
to
explore
them
all
as
one
network,
you
can
there's
a
map
here.
S
So
again
you
could
just
click
on
that
and
there's
a
page
for
greenway
page
for
ada
plan
and
it's
pretty
much
the
maps
we
just
showed
you,
but
on
an
interactive
fashion,
so
you
can
click
on
them
and
learn
more
about
the
project
and
how
they
ranked
so
you
we
also.
S
I
think
the
key
about
this,
this
survey
and
I
think
for
those
you
know
those
of
you
that
want
to
share
this
and
the
importance
of
it
is
that
we're
really
asking
the
critical
question
that
would
be
taken
to
council
as
far
as
how
willing?
How
important
is
this
to
folks
and
how
willing
are
they
to
pay
a
small
increase
in
property
tax
or
some
other
tax
to
actually
achieve
this?
This
work
right
because
the
funding
is
so
low,
especially
for
things
like
the
ada
transition
plan.
S
That's
something
that
funding
just
isn't
there
for
so
so
it
is
really
important
to
take
the
survey
and
then
all
the
previous
data
and
information
on
the
plan
and
what
we've
done
is
down
the
right
side
of
the
page.
You
can
take
a
look
at
previously
released
information,
so
with
that,
I
think
maybe
just
some
q
a
might
be
helpful.
Yeah.
J
It
knows
a
lot,
so
we're
happy
to
answer
the
screen
now.
So
just
a
couple
of
responses
to
what
I'm
seeing
coming
through
so
yeah,
it
does
look
a
little
bit
like
the
previous
survey.
It
is
once
you
get
into
it.
It
is
it's
much
easier
to
use.
We've
got
that
feedback
from
the
last
one.
So
if
people
say
it
does
look
like
it,
let
them
know
it
is
a
different
one.
J
J
Who
took
the
survey?
This
is
kind
of
a
level
of
support,
because
I
feel
like
that's,
going
to
be
really
important
when
we
get
to
council,
particularly
the
question
about
you
know.
We
we
suspect
most
people
want
to
build
out
the
network
in
some
way,
but
being
able
to
say,
there's
also
support
for
thinking
about
how
we
fund
it
is
really
important
and
just
to
clarify
because
christy
hit
this
and
I
think
we
it's
covered,
but
to
cover
it
again.
Anna
sent
out.
J
We
have,
we
have
a
link,
we
have
a
version
just
for
boards
and
commissions,
and
then
we
have
the
general
public
link.
It
looks
like
anna
sent
out
the
mmtc
link
yesterday
to
you
all,
and
so
that's
not
the
one
to
forward
and
anna
or
lucy
did
you
all
send
out
the
link
to
forward
and
have
that
kind
of
clear.
J
A
U
This
is
anna.
I
can
offer
some
clarification
on
that.
We
did
not
include
in
those
emails
that
janet
sent
to
multimodal
to
transit
to
greenway
any
of
the
boards
and
commissions
the
general
public
survey
link
in
an
effort
to
cut
down
on
confusion,
the
plan
or
the
intent
was
to
go
ahead
and
send
out
that
general
link
in
a
a
large
email
within
the
next
couple
of
days.
However,
it
is
on
the
city's
public
input
page.
I
believe
you
can
also
access
it
from
the
city's
project
page.
U
So
if
folks
are
asking
how
to
get
to
it,
those
are
some.
I
S
Some
question
on
here
about
parks
and
open
space
and
whether
they
were
considered,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we
covered
in
our
last
survey
and
public
meeting
was
what
went
into
the
destination
equity
score.
So
I'm
sharing
right
now
the
slide
on
that.
S
So
if
anybody
wants
more
information
on
that,
we
could
go,
send
you
or
talk
to
you
offline,
like
how
many
points
were
scored
for
everything,
but
things
like
grocery
stores,
schools,
colleges,
universities
and
parks
and
open
space
are
definitely
on
there
and
some
of
the
items
on
this
list
were
really
driven
by
the
ada
transition
plan,
which
requires
that
you
prioritize
access
to
community
services
and
government
buildings,
and
things
like
that
as
well,
so
that
that's
the
list,
hopefully
that
answers
that
question.
E
Yeah
real
real,
quick.
I
think
this
is
fantastic.
You
see
in
this.
This
level
of
detail
in
terms
of
the
study
gives
us
some
numbers
to
work
with,
but
I
was
curious
if
you
guys
were
going
to
be
putting
this
in
front
of
individual
neighborhoods
to
collect
their
their
consideration
for
this.
This
type
of
stuff.
U
Thanks
lucy,
how
did
I
get
myself
off
with
me
here
I'll
turn,
my
camera
on
as
well,
so
we
are
working
particularly
right
now
with
some
of
the
legacy
neighborhoods
to
schedule
times
for
to
come
and
speak
with
their
neighborhood
associations
in
particular,
because
the
turnaround
between
the
length
of
time
that
the
survey
is
open
is
is
not
super
long.
It
wouldn't
allow
us
to
visit
with
all
neighborhood
associations,
so
right
now
we're
really
targeting
some
of
the
neighborhood
associations
where
the
the
response
rate
from
previous
surveys
was
lower.
U
I
don't
have
those
dates
in
front
of
me,
but
we'll
be
at
right.
Now.
We
have
solidified
times
for
the
dr
wesley
grant
southside
center
on
stevens,
lee
and
shiloh,
and
those
are
open,
of
course,
to
the
general
public
where
lucy
and
I
will
set
up
a
table
essentially
and
have
tablets
where
folks
can
complete
surveys,
but
also
just
come.
Stop
by
and
talk
to
us
and
ask
us
any
questions
that
they
may
have,
and
so
I'm
working
with
lucy
right
now
to
kind
of
pull
together
materials
to
publicize
those
opportunities.
S
I'd
like
to
add
also
that
we're
part
of
the
plan
so
we're
just
presenting
the
results
from
the
corridor
prioritization,
but
in
the
report
we're
prepping,
you
all
have
access
to
it.
We'll
have
some
additional
guidance
on
you
know.
Once
these
projects
are
selected
to
move
into
corridor
development,
there's
a
whole
step
and
one
of
them
after
we
determine
the
goals
for
each
corridor.
There
needs
to
really
be
for
the
more
complex
corridors.
S
A
needs
assessment
done
just
figure
out
exactly
how
to
accomplish
all
the
the
needs
and
prioritize
those
within
those
corridors,
and
one
of
the
things
we're
really
calling
out
here
is
the
importance
of
including
that
neighborhood
and
area
community
feedback
early
in
the
process,
one
to
prevent
a
lot
of
shifting
and
projects
late
on.
You
know
later
on,
when
they've
already
been
funded,
but
also
to
really
get
in
with
the
legacy
neighborhoods
and
really
help
them
prioritize
their
region,
just
to
make
sure
it's
been
captured
right.
So
what
do
you
mean
by.
S
A
The
legacy
neighborhood
association
is
a
group
of
historically
black
neighborhoods
and
additionally,
the
neighborhood
of
emma,
who
have
grouped
together
with
efforts
from
the
public
engagement
department
from
the
county,
as
well
as
our
equity
and
inclusion
department
at
the
city
and
they
meet.
They
haven't
met
for
a
while,
but
they're
about
to
start
to
meet
again
on
a
monthly
basis
to
talk
about
pertinent
issues
to
their
neighborhoods
and
it's
a
great
way
for
various
departments
at
the
city
to
get
in
touch
with
them
and
communicate.
Efforts
that
we
are
working
on.
S
And
we're
really
highlighting
that
you
know
in
a
neighborhood
like
shiloh,
we
may
have
identified
some
corridors
that
we
think
are
the
best
connections,
but
there
are
impacts
from
these
projects
right
and
some
communities
are
worried
about
gentrification
or
other
impacts
to
the.
So
you
know
the
the
network
and
those
communities,
and
so
you
know
we're
going
to
include
a
lot
of
language
about
thing.
S
You
know
communities
that
have
been
impacted
historically,
underserved
that
it
may
be
that
that
initial
public
engagement
changes,
the
projects
like
maybe
shifts
it
over
street
or
there
needs
to
be
stabilization
efforts
put
in
place
before
they
get
done
so
so
we're
going
to
integrate
some
of
that
because
that's
the
feedback
we've
heard.
That's
that
sounds.
E
S
Yeah-
and
I
think
that
just
to
be
clear,
this
was
like
a
corridor
prioritization
based
on
all
the
needs
we
talked
about
like
connectivity,
safety,
destination
and
equity,
and
that
when
project
development
gets
started,
the
projects
do
need
to
be
refined
and
that
should
be
based
on
the
community
feedback,
so
that
is
definitely
integrated
for
all
neighborhoods.
It's
just
maybe
a
little
different
conversation
in.
E
B
So
I'm
kind
of
I'm
going
to
go
zoom
it
in
and
then
pull
it
out.
Overall,
I
think
it's
great.
I
was
kind
of
playing
with
these
maps
over
the
last
day
or
so,
and
I
think
it's
really
fascinating
to
see
how
we
can
kind
of
make
all
these.
These
things
happen.
A
couple
of
questions
just
a
point
of
clarification,
a
an
on-road,
greenway
and
a
bike
path.
Are
they?
Are
they
the
same
thing
or
different?
Are
they
striped
differently?
Are
we
you
know
doing
like
a
paint
strip
or
what?
How
does?
B
T
Christy,
do
you
want
me
to
address
that
or
yeah
yeah?
So
you
know
we're
thinking
that
neighborhood
greenways
are
a
suite
of
options
so
that
it
isn't
necessarily
just
a
sharrow
or
shared
use.
You
know
marked
street.
It
could
be
a
combination
of
ped
bike
facilities
so,
for
example,
with
cox
street
you
know
there's
kind
of
an
interim
shared
use
path,
bike
path
there
you
know
there
could
be
examples
where,
like
street
rides,
right,
sizing
or
road
diets
could
be
used
for
neighborhood
greenways.
T
So
it's
really
think
of
the
suite
of
options
to
create
a
new
new
facilities
with
on
the
road,
but
if
there
isn't
very
many
options,
most
of
these
roads
are
low,
speed,
low
traffic.
So
you
know
just
the
suite
of
options
that
can
be
used
to
really
let
drivers
know
that
this
is
a
place
for
pedestrians,
so
it's
prioritized
for
pedestrians.
B
Yeah,
it
does,
and
I
really
like
it,
because
I
think
there
are
some
areas
where
the
challenge
of
getting
some
land
not
in
the
roadway
is,
is
going
to
be
insurmountable,
or
it's
going
to
just
take
so
much
effort.
So
I
love
this
solution.
I
think
when
you
were
as
you're
presenting,
I
thought
you
know
wow,
that's
a
really
great
short
term
or
mid-term
solution
that
we
can
apply
a
couple
other
questions.
When
we
talk
about
the
the
one
penny
two
penny
cost.
I
feel
like
we're
setting
some
expectations
here.
B
J
M
J
Probably
not,
but
is
it
better
than
what
resources
we
have
we
just
don't
have
most
of
the
projects
are
being
and
lucy.
I
might
be
overstepping
so
jump
in
most
of
the
projects
that
the
city
is
doing
currently
they're
trying
to
do
some
things
out
of,
like
the
the
neighborhood
pedestrian
plan
is
funded
out
of
general
funds,
so
it
the
the
amount,
is
very
small.
J
The
city
is
good
about
partnering,
with
dot
and
looking
for
kind
of
this
bigger
funding,
opportunity
well
smaller
and
bigger,
grant
funding
opportunities,
but
there
just
isn't
a
continual
and
dedicated
source
of
funding
for
transportation
projects,
and
so
this
that
is
a
solution
that
would
have
an
annual
pipeline
of
funding
coming
through
as
long
as
council
dedicated
it
for
that,
and
so
does
it
does
it
build
everything?
No
does
it
do
a
whole
lot
more
than
it
does
now?
Yes,.
B
A
I'll
last
I'll
add
to
that,
because
I
do
want
to
manage
your
expectations
about
that
question.
We
use
that
question
before
in
the
first
survey
and
the
reason
for
it
is
to
just
get
a
sense
of
people's
willingness
to
support
a
dedicated
transportation
fund.
A
It
would
totally
be
up
to
council
to
make
that
call
and
we
are
not
delivering
this
report
at
a
you
know
a
great
time
of
the
budget
cycle
for
us
to
see
any
immediate
funding
come
our
way
at
all,
but
it's
just
it's
kind
of
just
a
temperature
gauge
to
see
from
the
public
how
interested
or
how
committed
they
would
want
to
be
to
get
these
plans
in
the
ground.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
was,
and
the
reason
I
bring
that
up
is
I'm
curious
like
if
we
had
to
go
a
little
bit
further,
would
we
get
more
information
or
less
information?
I
don't
know,
and
I
don't
want
to
you
know
I
like
the
idea,
I
like
to
say
you
know
kind
of
there's
an
opportunity
to
get
some
positive
return
for
a
fairly
low
investment.
So
I
like
that
concept,
kind.
B
Cost
and
process
discussion.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
randy
talks
about
a
lot
is
that
in
his
past
there
was
these
stacks
of
projects
and
when
a
little
bit
of
money
came
available
became
available,
he
would
there
would
be
someone
to
say.
Oh
here's,
here's
a
piece
of
this.
Do
you
see
that
this
is
how
we
can
kind
of
put
together
these
different,
desperate
pieces
and
and
have
them
kind
of
project
ready
or
shovel
ready?
Whatever
the
term
we
want
to
use
and
ready
to
go.
B
D
J
You
know
one
example,
chrissy
kind
of
briefly
looked
up
a
sheet
when
she
was
talking
about
the
legacy
neighborhoods.
You
know
the
idea
overall
is
to
have
projects
in
the
pipeline,
so
you
have
in
a
greenway
instance.
You
might
have
a
greenway
feasibility
study
going
on
yeah
christie.
Why
don't
you
talk
to
that?
That
probably
is
a
better
way
to
do
this.
S
Yeah
and
before
I
talk
through
this,
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
if
money
is
found,
this
kind
of
queues
up
projects
to
do
some
matching
funding
as
well.
So
one
example:
we
talked
with
the
ncdot
at
a
joint
meeting
recently
and
if
they
come
up
with
funding
through
like
a
transportation,
alternatives
grant,
for
example
in
the
city,
has
money
to
match
that.
S
Maybe,
instead
of
doing
some
of
the
improvements
on
the
corridor,
it
can
be
a
more
robust
project
that
fixes
ada
compliance
issues
at
driveways
and
mid-block
sections
as
well
and
crossings,
and
an
example
of
that
is
the
haywood
project
that
is
being
negotiated
now
with
ncdot,
where
the
city
funds
allowed
them
to
marry
that
project
with
d.o.t
funds
and
get
a
grant
and
then
deliver
a
more
complete
corridor.
So
this
this
identifies
this
flowchart.
As
you
know,
the
pre-design
checklist,
it's
doing
quarter
needs
assessment.
S
Some
quarters
may
need
a
detailed
feasibility
study
based
on
physical
constraints
and
then
it
would
be
a
high
level
cost
estimate
and
key
cost
factors
working
through
public
engagement,
community
feedback
and
then
to
identify
the
funding
potential
and
deliver
or
determine
how
it'll
be
delivered
it.
Will
it
be
an
ncdot
project?
Will
it
be
state
recreational
trails
funding?
Will
it
be
city
capital
projects
and
then
then
get
it
ready
so
that
it's
queued
up
for
capital
funding
and
to
move
into
design?
S
So
there
are
steps
between
this
master
planning
effort
and
a
project
that
goes
into
development
for
the
more
complex
corridors,
say
tunnel,
road
or
merriman,
then
there's
more
simple
projects.
It
might
be
a
missing
sidewalk
piece
on
hilliard.
You
know
that
might
just
be
a
quick
cost
assessment
fund
it
with
capital
funding
and
get
it
to
a
design
team.
So
that's
what
those
those
tables
that
we've
developed
kind
of
indicate.
What's
the
next
step
for
funding
and
project
development.
I
S
Each
of
them,
so
those
detailed
tables
I
had
on
the
slides
earlier,
are
where
you
could
kind
of
go
to
figure
out.
You
know
when,
when
the
city
starts
thinking
about
how
do
we
do
capital
funding
for
next
year?
Do
we
need
to
do
some
feasibility
studies?
Do
we
need
to
do
a
corridor
needs
assessment,
or
do
we
need
to
fund
design?
They
can
look
at
each
project
and
see
where
it
is
in
this
in
the
process
and
then
look
for
funding
the
next
step.
Hopefully
that
makes
sense
or
helps.
Oh
definitely.
Thank
you.
F
K
Sweet
thanks
guys,
I
just
want
to
say
you
all-
have
done
a
really
good
job
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
the
draft
plan
but
christy
with
the
k
you
mentioned
on
the
spine
corridors
that
they
would
be
barrier
free.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that
a
little.
J
Bit
think
you
are
confusing,
I
did
say
there.
I
said
barrier
free
kim
talked
about
the
spine
network,
so
the
goal
of
the
ada
transition
plan
to
the
maximum
extent
feasible
and
that's
an
important
catchphrase.
As
you
know,
the
goal
is
on
these
priority
corridors.
The
price
particularly
for
ada
is
they
should
be
as
barrier-free
as
possible
so
that
they
can
be
used
by
people
who
have
disabilities.
S
And
when
we
refer
to
barriers,
we
talk
about
things
like
you
know,
raised
sidewalk
where
a
wheelchair
chair
couldn't
get
over
it
gaps,
utility,
poles,
lack
of
accessible
pedestrian
signals,
lack
of
ada
ramps
like
a
number
of
things,
so
the
whole
myriad
of
88
compliance.
J
K
D
K
G
Yeah
thanks,
you
know
what
I
was
looking
for
in
the
plan
and
I
can
understand
how
it
might
not
exist,
but
it
sure
would
be
nice
to
have
some
sense
of.
G
G
I'd
just
love
to
see
some
sense
of
when
this
is
gonna
be
realized.
Have
you
all
had
a
chance
to
do
that.
A
Really
without
counsel,
without
counsel
driving
it
there's
no
way
of
knowing
bill,
there's
really
no
way.
I
think
right
sometime
along
the
way,
maybe
christy
stoud
said
it
would
cost
300
million
and
take
30
years
at
the
rate,
we're
going
just
to
get
the
ada
issues
taken
care
of.
So
you
know
it's
going
to
be
council
driven.
G
A
G
This
a
100-year
plan,
or
is
it
a
20-year
plan
based
on
what
we've
done
in
the
last
10
years?
What
could
it
be?
That
would
just
be
really
helpful
for
knowing
what
we're
talking
about.
I
mean
the
the
plan
is
elaborate.
I
mean
the
whole
connected
layout
is
awesome,
but
when
I
was
taking
the
survey
yesterday,
I
was
like.
G
S
To
that
point,
the
ada
transition
plan
does
require
a
commitment
for
a
certain
number
of
years,
so
there
will
be
an
element
of
that
for
the
ada
piece,
but
again
it
it
does
require
funding
commitment
right.
So
that's
something
beyond
what
we
can
control
as
consultants.
T
Bill,
I
will
add
that,
for
the
greenway
plan
aspect,
that
each
one
of
those
greenway,
spines
and
arterials
does
have
a
detailed
chart
which
we
haven't
shared
but
will
be
in
the
draft
plan
that
breaks
out
short
medium
long-term
actions
for
each
greenway
so
that
at
least
it's
it's
starting
to
break
out
like
what's
priority.
How?
How
does
it
all
happen?
So
it's
not
all
happening
at
once,
so
that
that
is
something
you
will
be
able
to
see.
Eventually.
S
And
one
of
the
other
pieces
of
this
is
a
development
of
a
tool
that
would
be
could
be
public
facing
and
so
for
the
projects
when
you
click
on
them
bill.
When
you
were
going
through
the
survey,
you
can
see
what
the
next
step
is
and
if
they're
in
project
development,
so
you
can
get
an
idea
of
the
timing
for
construction
year.
So
there
is
that
element
too.
Hopefully,
it'll
be
more
more
information
to
temper
expectations
as
far
as
when
projects
can
be
delivered,
especially.
I
J
That's
just
those
that
are
planned
further
out.
Yeah.
J
K
B
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much
jessica
or
lucy.
Do
we
have
any
other
action
items
here.
I
L
This
item,
no,
I
don't
think
so.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
guys
a
quick
update
on
merriman
and
then,
after
that
we
don't
have
any
other
items
to
discuss
or
have
any
substantial
updates
on.
Okay.
B
A
Okay,
I
would
like,
if
I
could
get
some
approval
on
the
top
10
greenway
projects.
That
would
be
nice
and
also,
if
you
do
have
the
time
and
interest.
If
you'd
like
to
look
through
these
slides
again
and
let
us
know,
if
there's
any
other
questions
you
have,
please
send
them
to
me.
B
A
S
And
we
are
trying
to
get
a
what's
the
deadline
for
the
top
10
greenways
lucy.
I
know
that's
kind
of.
A
B
Can
we
all
get
a
chance
to
maybe
can
we
send
that
to
you
offline,
just
email,
that
we
can
each
of
us
email
out
to
you
individually.
A
Q
B
J
M
T
F
D
D
B
And
I
like
the
way
it
lays
out
building
a
comment.
I
was
just.
G
It
from
in
my
mind
it
would
help
to
have
a
ranking.
Here
too,
I
mean
we've
got
a
100
in
the
docket
right,
and
these
are
10
and
that
might
be
300
in
a
dock.
These
are
10.
Are
these
like
equally
ten
or
is
there
is?
Is
one
of
noah
like
a
hundred
and
bow
catcher
of
twenty?
Some
kind
of
priority
within
these
ten
would
be
helpful
for
the
reader
right.
B
B
This
is
what
they're
going
to
bring
back
to
us
say
this
is
the
order
that
we
feel
like
we
need
to
tackle
these
in
and
then
there's
always
going
to
be.
Other
effects
that
are
going
to
you
know
have
an
impact
on
this
list,
but
you
know
if
they
have
this
and
move
forward
with
what
they
need.
I
think
we
can,
you
know,
keep
the
ball
rolling.
T
Just
to
add,
the
top
five
projects
are
in
some
state
of
project
development,
so
they're
they're
moving
already
and
the
remainder
in
some
way
just
have
real
prime
opportunity,
or
you
know
that
they're
going
to
serve
a
really
great
purpose.
So
I
I
would
say
they
are
fairly
ranked
in
order,
but
especially
the
top
five
are
they're
moving
forward
right
now,.
G
B
Excellent,
we
have
a
motion.
A
second
without
comment:
we'll
take
a
roll
call
vote
ready,
hi,
michael
hi.
E
B
B
Okay,
maggie
hi.
B
N
N
I
B
And
kim
for
all
your
hard
work,
yes,
it
looks
great
okay.
The
next
item
we
have
is
the
merriman
avenue
4-3
conversion
proposal,
public
engagement,
jessica,
you'll,
talk
about
that
a
second,
but
I
think
maggie.
Do
you
want
to
make
a
quick
comment
before
we
address
this
issue?.
A
A
So
I
saw
joe
and
mike
raise
your
hands.
Okay
and.
J
That
there
is
a
lot
of
community
conversation
on
this
right
now,
if
anyone.
F
And
then
the
survey
that's
going
to
come
out
is
like,
in
my
opinion,
an
absolutely
must-do
requirement
to
be
on
this
committee.
It's
so
important
for
your
input.
So
that's
my
plug.
A
So
I
have
so
far,
michael
and
dennis
and
joe
is
there
anyone
else,
I'm
missing.
C
E
Opposition
to
this-
and
I
think
a
lot
of
it's
just
knee-jerk
reaction
to
people
saying
you
know.
Why
would
we
do
this?
So
I'm
curious
to
know
if
we
have
any
any
data
or
talking
points
that
could
buttress
our
case,
assuming
that
we're
all
in
alignment
that
we
want
to
see
this
conversion
happen
because.
E
Questions
is
like
intuitive
intuitively
people
think
that
if
you
take
the
lanes
and
you
reduce
them,
then
the
traffic
is
gonna,
get
backed
up.
It's
gonna
be
bad,
it's
gonna
be
slow.
Do
we
have
data
to
show
that
that's
not
true,
or
I
know
that
there
was
a
a
study
done
of
charlotte
street
after
that
conversion,
but
it
was
done
during
the
pandemic.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
can
use
that
data.
A
Michael
just
I
just
to
add
in
the
chat
I
put
the
merriman
avenue
project
page
from
the
city,
and
it's
got
a
lot
of
information
and
there'll.
Be
posters
reporting
a
lot
of
this
in
more
depth.
A
A
L
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
yeah
we
have
the
project
website
on
the
city's
page,
which
you
can
navigate
to
relatively
easy
from
the
home
page.
If
you
go
to
projects
it
pops
up
pretty
much
at
the
top
and
under
the
title,
merriman
avenue
considerations,
and
as
lucy
mentioned,
there
are
documents
in
this
website
that
you
can
refer
to.
If
you
want
to
get
get.
You
know,
data
in
terms
of
national
data
that
federal
highways
has
produced
about
road
diet.
L
We
have
on
this
page,
and
all
of
this
information
in
here
is
going
to
be
shared
at
the
at
the
meeting
on
monday,
and
I
want
to
call
attention
to
this
this
picture
right
here.
If
you
click
on
this,
it
takes
you
to
a
story
map
that
vadilla
put
together.
L
L
So
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
this
story
map
and
it's
all
very
helpful.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
it.
If
you
have
some
time,
especially
if
you're
planning
on
attending
the
meeting
it'll
be
good
to
have
all
this.
But
basically
what
will
what
you'll
see
at
the
meeting
is?
Just
a
you
know,
an
in-person
version
of
all
of
the
same
information
that
we
have
in
this
story
map
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
story.
L
Map
is
the
survey,
and
so
we
are
essentially
hoping
that
anybody
who
you
know
comes
to
this
website
and
wants
to
take
the
survey
they're
going
to
be
at
least
forced
to
scroll
through
the
information
before
they
can
get
to
the
survey
so
and
it's
not
all
the
photos
and
and
maps
aren't
loading
right
now,
but
that's
just
my
computer
being
slow.
L
So
that's
that's
the
update.
I
mean
the
plan
moving
forward
after
the
public
meeting
is
to
try
to
consolidate
or
synthesize
summarize
all
of
the
input
that
we
receive,
and
then
we
will
come
back
and
report
that
information
out
and
after
that
there
will
be
a
decision
made
probably
by
may
is
the
goal
so
yeah.
We
encourage
you
guys
to
participate
this
week
and
send
this
information
to
whomever
you
know.
D
Yeah
and
so
my
compete
task
force
talked
about
this
extensively
for
the
second
month
in
a
row,
and
we
put
they
today
report
motion
to
this
group
to
multimodal.
So
I
think
we
need
to
address
that
today
as
well.
B
All
right
there's
a
motion.
This
second.
B
Excellent
michael
seconds:
okay,
let's,
let's
have
the
discussion
jessica.
R
Sorry
my
mic
was
off.
This
is
terry
march
and
I'm
part
of
bikepad
just
to
clarify
randy.
I
believe
the
motion
was
to
extend
it
to
chestnut
street
that
we
strongly
encouraged
bicycle
and
pedestrian
infrastructure
improvements,
the
entire
length,
but
for
the
conversion
it
was
to
chestnut.
If
I'm
correct.
In
my
recollection.
D
Yes,
so
I
I
just
posted
what
till
had
sent
to
dennis
but
you're
correct
when
we
discussed
it,
we
said
that
the
treatment
between
chestnut
and
the
240
exchange
might
be
different
than
a
four
to
three
conversions,
but
it
would
be
a
treatment.
Yes,.
D
B
E
Reason
why
the
idea
had
had
gone
out
of
favor
to
do
the
whole
thing.
It
sounds
like
now,
they're
they're,
just
talking
about
cutting
it
off
right
there
at
unc,
is
that
my
understanding.
D
My
my
understanding
is
that-
and
I
I
thought
that
says
the
very
same
thing
you
just
did,
and
it
was
confirmed,
is
that
they
thought
that
the
traffic
ingestion
would
be
more
severely
impacted
without
the
wt
weaver
and
therefore
they
didn't
want
to
even
tackle
that
right.
Now
they
may
and
they're
open
to
the
future,
but
they
don't
want
to
tackle
it
right
now
and
when
I
brought
that
question
up
and
stated
that
they
said
yes,
that
was
the
case.
C
E
Its
policy
to
complete
streets
policy
on
any
new
corridors,
and
this
isn't
exactly
that,
but
the
theory,
the
thought
is,
you
know
this.
We
should
be
looking
at
streets
for
the
totality
of
the
people
that
use
them,
not
just
cars,
so
I
don't
think
that's
an
alignment
with
their
own
policy,
so
I
I
would
I
would
support
your
motion.
B
Do
we
have
more
information
on
why
that
delineation
was
made
in
that
location?
Is
it
this
congestion
that
exists
already,
or
the
absence
of
the
ability
to
move
folks
around.
F
F
We
hear
from
the
public,
especially
in
support
of
all
of
this,
the
better,
because
I
mean
we're
really
at
risk
of
the
folks
who
are
nervous
about
this
thinking
this
entirely
after
public
input,
that
that
is
a
hundred
percent,
a
very
likely
option.
So
we
need
to
really
get
out
there
and
full
support
so
randy.
I
love
the
bike,
ped
motion
and
I,
like,
I
guess,
you're
asking
if
we
should
like
approve
it,
but
I
wonder
if
we
should
like
pile
on
and
be
like
mmtc
and
bikepad.
D
Well
so
mike
said,
you
know
it
makes
recommendations
to
multimodal,
and
so
they
made
a
motion
to
pass
on
their
input
through
us,
because
that
would
be
the
appropriate
channels
from
how
I
understand
how
things
work,
yeah,
yeah,
so
and
and
then
and
just
to
say
and
so
maggie's
right
when
they
were
saying
stuff,
so
that
raleigh
has
a
bunch
of
they
have
some
people
that
are
advising
this
project
as
well.
D
That
are
just
looking
at
the
statistics
and
they're
using
the
2045
statistics,
which
don't
take
into
consideration
at
all
any
kind
of
mode
shift.
That
might
happen
between
now
and-
and
you
know,
23
years
now,
which
is
should
be
part
of
the
formula.
But
that's
not
the
formula
they're
using
so
they're
saying
yeah
this
at
each
intersection,
there'll
be
more
back
up
as
you
get
closer
to
240,
and
so
it
just
doesn't
fit
their
formula.
D
You
know,
and
yet,
at
the
same
time,
though
they're
asking
for
public
input
in
this
and
in
a
meeting
we
have
with
them
last
week
they
received,
I
think
two
phone
calls.
They
were
in
opposition
of
this,
and
they
said
you
know.
We
know
you
think
everybody's
in
favor
of
this,
but
that's
how
we're
hearing
so
they
had
like
two
phone
calls.
You
know,
and
so
those
two
voices
that
yelled
at
him
for
possibly
instituting
this
road
diet
we're
carrying
an
extraordinary
amount
of
weight,
an
appropriate.
You
know,
amount
of
weight.
D
So,
as
maggie
said,
it's
so
important
for
us
to
pile
on
to
the
the
in
favor
of
the
road
conversions
to
try
and
negate
those
few
loud
voices
that
you
know.
As
michael
said
too,
that
doesn't
the
best.
Of
course.
B
M
B
All
right
randy,
could
you
please
repeat
your
motion
just
since
we
don't
have
it
written
in
front
of
us
before
we
take.
D
It
sure
I
I
I
put
it
in
the
chat,
and
this
is
exactly
what
this
is.
What
phil
has
written
to
you,
but
as
terry
says
that
it
was
slightly
anyway.
The
motion,
as
he
wrote
to
us,
was
bicycle:
pedestrian
facilities
are
essential
to
merriman
avenue
and
the
4-3
4-3
lane.
Conversion
to
extend
the
length
of
merriman
avenue
provides
safe
and
predictable
facilities
for
all
people
moving
by
a
variety
of
modes.
B
Okay,
excellent,
so
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
without
comment:
we'll
take
a
vote.
Randy
warren
aye,
michael.
B
Maggie
altman
aye
bill,
optus,
hi,
leona,
joyner
hi
and
I
as
well
and
motion
carries
thanks,
randy
jessica,
so
we're
bumped
up
against
our
stop
time.
B
Is
there
anything
that's
pressing
here
and
would
anyone
be
opposed
to
pushing
the
following
the
rest
of
this
agenda
to
the
next
meeting.
I
L
I
don't
have
anything
material
to
share
regarding
any
of
the
other
items
at
this
moment.
B
Okay-
and
we
did
have
two
updates-
I
want
to
quickly
just
call
these
two
things
out
of
consideration
of
a
green
waste
funeral
at
15
miles
per.