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Welcome
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through
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introduce
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A
A
B
B
A
B
B
Well,
we'll
come
back
and
then,
let's
see,
welcome
to
councilwoman
mosley.
She
just
joined
us
as
well.
B
B
So
I
think,
was
it
one,
two
three
four
five,
six
seven,
so
we
yeah
I
do
have
a
quorum
and
if
paul,
whenever,
whenever
paul
joins
us,
he
can
say
hello
all
right.
I'm
gonna
hop
on
to
our
agenda
here.
B
B
B
Okay,
minutes
from
the
july
meeting
have
been
approved
next,
we'll
go
to
our
community
development
updates.
So
these
are
the
updates
from
the
august
meeting
for
hcd
any
questions
we
want
to
discuss
to
go
over
them.
I
did
not
see.
A
H
I
don't
think
so,
no
and
nothing
on
today's
agenda
for
that.
We
are
barry
waiting
on
guidance
from
city
management,
about
bringing
those
to
a
hack,
and
I
just
have
not
heard
back
from
city
management
on
that
barry.
Okay,.
B
B
I
didn't
notice,
you
know
I
did
notice.
I
think
it
was
helpful.
I
think
we
discussed
our
last
meeting
the
last
time
we
discussed
and
we
we
bro.
There
was
a
application
for
luigi
in
front
of
us
and
we
talked
about
unit
mix
and
it
was
they
did
adjust
it
for
hcd
and
then
it
was
approved
kind
of
without
much
discussion.
So
I
think
there's
there's
value
we
can
show.
We
do
bring
to
this
any
other
specific
things
on
community
development
updates.
We
should
go
through
or
any
questions
on.
A
E
H
Sure
I
believe
that
for
right
now,
I
believe
there's
going
to
be
some
conversations
with
city
management
and
count
city
council
members
at
council
check-ins
about
what
the
next
steps
look
like
on
319
biltmore.
H
Council
check-ins
are
usually
the
thursday
before
city
council
meetings.
I
don't
know
if
that'll
be
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
or
the
last
meeting
in
september,
but
I
do
believe
sometime
this
month.
Okay,
city
management
will
be
checking
in
with
council
about
319
and
next
steps.
D
I'd
like
to
jump
in
for
just
a
second
to
announce
to
the
group
that
homeward
bound
was
able
to
close
on
the
days
in
property
on
tuesday,
having
worked
very
closely,
I'm
on
the
board
for
homework
bound,
and
I'm
also
the
chair
of
the
committee
for
this
project,
and
just
thank
you
so
much
to
to
paul
and
to
the
city
to
council
as
well,
for
your
generosity
and
your
assistance
for
everything
that
you
know
it
took
to
to
put
it
together
and
for
us
to
get
to
the
closing
table
and
and
we're
just
thrilled
we're
so
excited
that
we
can
now
move
on
the
renovations
and
just
advance
the
project
to
to
where
it
needs
to
be
to
to
help
our
our
clients
and
to
you
know,
just
help.
D
The
overall
situation
with
those
experiencing
homelessness
in
asheville.
B
Thanks
yeah,
that's
a
great
great
to
have
some
good
news.
Let's
see,
I
know
I
did
I
checked
in
with
anna
from
the
land
trust
just
to
see
if
the
those
lots
had
closed
on
yet-
and
I
hear
there's
a
delay
on
those
in
the
closing.
Do
we
know
anything
about
that
paul
the
individual
lots
that
land
trust
was
getting
from
the
city
lots?
Do
you.
H
I
do
not
know,
I
don't
think
there's
anything
heavy
there
at
all.
I
do
know
that
we're
trying
to
work
through
their
hud
funding
as
they
have
home
funding
and
cdbg
funding,
that
kind
of
go
hand
in
hand.
B
H
Unknown,
but
I
think
all
of
all
is
well
there
to
eventually
get
moving.
I
think
that
also
has
to
do
with
the
clt's
timeline
of
how
they're
working
so
it.
B
Okay,
cool
and
then
was
the
trust
fund.
Money
returned
from
the
junior
group
project.
H
Pineview
is
trying
to
figure
out
a
plan
b
and
they
want
to
come
back
to
hcd,
I
believe
in
october
to
try
to
see
if
they
can
pivot
to
another
site
for
home
ownership.
As
everybody
on
this
call,
I'm
sure
is
aware
that
costs
are
of
of
everything
across
the
board.
Is
making
construction
pricing
difficult
and
making
home
ownership
pricing
difficult,
so
they're
trying
to
pivot
to
another
site.
B
H
E
Cool?
What
about
kirk,
I'm
assuming
this
is
kirk
booth,
bocacher
vista,
the
million
dollars
there
is
that
kirk.
H
I
think
the
one
that
that's
on
there
has
to
do
with
restaurant
court
that
there's
anticipation
that
kirk
will
come
back
through
for
additional
housing
trust
fund
dollars
for
that
project.
But
we
have
not
seen
that
yet.
B
B
H
H
Those
conversations
are
still
on
hold
as
we
try
to
work
out
what
an
agreement
looks
like
with
the
housing
authority
on
that
potential
six-acre
redevelopment,
and
I
believe
that
that's
management
is
working
on
that
agreement
and
I
think
the
agreement
just
went
back
to
hakka
earlier
this
week
so
more
to
come.
But
right
now,
that's
all
on
hold.
Okay,.
B
I
did
hear
also
that
david
nash
is
back
at
work.
You
know
part
time
so
he's
doing
he's
doing
good.
I
know
he
had
a
little
help.
He
had
a
health
scare
so,
but
I
heard
he
is
back
in
the
office,
which
is
good,
like
any
other
dpa
down
payment
assistance.
What's
is
that
rfp
been?
Is
that
out
in
circulating.
H
B
H
I
have
to
run
it
by
one
more
group
internally,
so
hopefully,
with
our
fudge
schedule,
I
would
think
by
september
7th
that
friday
september,
17th.
A
H
G
Not
really
at
this
moment,
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
in
the
works.
They're
they're,
going
smoothly
we're
managing
higher
costs,
like
everyone
else,
is
looking
at
a
couple
of
opportunities
within
the
city
of
asheville
to
exercise
our
right
of
first
purchase
to
create
you
have
a
longer
term,
affordability,
buying
some
houses
back
and
reselling
them
to
to
a
second
generation
of
owners.
So
that's
an
exciting
thing
yeah,
but
not
not
a
whole
lot
to
report.
G
I
do
have
a
question
for
for
paul
kind
of
generally
on
several
of
the
the
topics
here.
What
is
the
what's
the
time
frame
for
all
of
the
bond
funds
to
be
dispersed?
I
know
we.
We've
talked
about
sort
of
the
the
bonds
clock.
What
where,
where
are
we
on
that?
And
and
how
is
it
looking
to
have
that
all
dispersed
by
the
time?
The
end
of
that
bond
cycle
ends.
H
About
two
years
and
two
months
we
still
have
for
the
remaining
bond
fund
and
nikki,
and
I
have
a
meeting
I
think
next
week
for
the
bond
dashboard
to
do
an
update
on
that
to
kind
of
get
an
exact.
We
are
not
worried
about
it
because
part
of
it
is
it's.
You
know.
If
you
just
kind
of
move,
you
know
shift
money
on
an
accounting,
spreadsheet
kind
of
sort
of
it
can
look
like
it's
moved
and
spent,
but
so
far
we've
done
pretty
well
with
this
funding.
H
So
we're
not
worried
about
the
the
two
years
and
two
months
remaining,
but
we
are
things,
have
shifted
with
priorities.
So
that's
been
very
interesting
of
what
we
had
planned
six
months
ago,
we're
trying
to
still
shift,
but
otherwise
we'll
have
a
bond
update,
probably
for
october's
meeting
and
maybe
in
time
for
hcd's
meeting
in
a
couple
weeks.
H
The
their
specific
language-
and
I
apologize-
I
don't
want
to
repeat
that,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be.
You
know
if
it's
put
in
for
affordable
housing
as
long
as
the
money's
moved
over,
it
doesn't
actually
have
to
have
like
physically
moved
dirt
or
something
like
that.
But
I
can
bring
back
that
clarifying
language.
B
Right,
I
knew
margie
sent
some
great
pictures
over
from
the
blue
walker
site
so
and
how
is
that?
Coming?
Along
with
renting.
E
They're
doing
very
well,
I
mean
they
still
have
apple,
they
have
lots
of
applications.
One
thing
to
that.
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
about
that
is
that
there
are
regulations
there
that
they,
when
you
apply,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
people
that
lived
there
before
came
back.
There
are
a
lot
of.
There
are
some
people
that
did
not
want
to
come
back.
They
were
happy
where
they
got
moved
to
or
they
moved
out
of
town
or
they
found
some
other
place.
E
So
there's
the
that
group
of
people,
but
then
there's
a
group
of
people
that
don't
comply
with
the
things
that
actual
housing
authority,
the
rules
and
regulations
that
they
have,
and
so
that
group
of
people
gets
kicked
out
of
the
applications,
and
so
I
mean
that
is
their
right
to
to
do
that.
So
I
think
that
you
know
there's
still
room
there
and
playground
is
in.
I
mean
those
are
if
you
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
go
through
it.
E
Contact
me
they're
phenomenal,
looking
apartments,
they
have
great
views,
and
I
think
that
I
think
it's
something
to
be
very
proud
of.
I
don't
think
it
looks
institutional
at
all.
I
think
it
looks
very
modern,
and
I
think
that
it's
something
that
the
city
should
be
and
national
housing
authorities
should
be
very
proud
of.
B
Yeah
they
were
super
nice
units
got
to
tour
them
with
margie
and
crew
and
cassandra
the
kessinger
at
project
at
clingman
clinton,
hillier,
looks
like
that's
rolling
along
really
nice.
H
It
is
they're
fully
pre-leased
there.
F
H
Great
and
affordable
units-
they're
no
one's,
moved
didn't
yet,
but
they're
fully
pre-released
nikki
and
I
did
a
tour
with
the
urban
land
institute
of
both
360
hillary
and
the
lee
walker
heights
project.
This
past
friday
and
everyone
was
very
pleased
with
the
looks
of
those
and
and
the
work
of
those
affordable
units.
A
C
H
I
have
not
heard
anything
about
that
project
at
all,
but
I
do
know
on
the
tribute
cockside.
Ashland
cox
are
really
moving
along
with
that.
F
I
E
H
If
I
understand
correctly,
that
group
had
a
limited
time
period
of
when
they
could
actually
raise
the
funds
to
purchase
it.
But
I
don't
know
anything
beyond
that:
no
one's
reached
out
to
me
and
I'll
covet.
I
don't
know
if
there
was
a
change
in
that
date
or
something
like
that
but
unknown
at
this
point,
margie
or
margie.
A
J
B
Okay,
did
we
on
the
in
the
other
section
about
the
2021
hud
numbers
of
those
have
those
been
adopted
by
the
city,
or
is
that
just
there
as
a
reference.
H
Oh
yeah,
those
are
up
and
on
our
website.
A
H
And
if
we
it's
later
in
the
agenda,
but
we've
spent
a
good
amount
of
time.
Thank
you
christina.
On
updating
our
website.
We
still
have
the
hud
tabs
to
to
clean
up
a
bit,
but
if
anyone,
google
city
of
asheville,
affordable
housing,
goes
right
to
first
link
should
be
us
which
not
only
has
affordable
housing
resources
for
the
community,
but
also
additional
resources
and
developer
investment
tools
that
all.
A
B
Super
okay,
any
other
questions
on
the
on
the
updates.
B
Anything
I
mean
I've
read
through
you
know,
besides
the
regular
community
available
in
updates
the
cdbg
and
the
cd
homeless,
as
anyone
have
any
questions
on
those,
they
were
separate
attachments.
H
C
H
Individuals
and
families
that
might
be
struggling
during
covet
and
how
to
access
funding
for
rental
assistance,
eviction,
prevention,
etc,
cool.
B
B
Okay,
we'll
move
on.
Thank
you.
So
we
have
our
list
of
available
homes.
You
know
as
well
as
that
hack
of
vouchers
and
the
regional
statistics
you
know
continues,
continues
to
look
pretty
bleak,
not
seeing
much
inventory
coming
up
most.
You
know
I
did
the
ones
when
I
prepared
the
list
of
the
ones
that
were
for
sale.
B
B
and
what
comes
up
you
know
it
goes
really
fast.
Any
thought
someone
wants
to
share.
C
B
Good
question:
I
could
do
that
yeah
yeah,
it's
there.
I
think
it
should
show
on
the
the
sale
list
I
I
would
be
able
to.
I
would
be
able
to
see
the
close
price
compared
to
the
list
price
yeah.
C
I
think
that'd
just
be
an
interesting
number
to
see.
If
it's
you
know,
I
mean
I
mean
I've,
seen
various
news
reports
and
just
in
my
own
anecdotal,
you
know
viewing
of
houses
sold
recently,
it's
you
know
seems
like
a
you
know.
Minimum
of
you
know
10
to
15
and
then
anywhere
of
upward
of
you
know,
40
to
50
over.
B
B
We
can't
really
see
if
they're,
like
investor
buyers
other
than
we
could
see.
You
know
like
it
would
take
some
deep
research,
but
we
could
see
like
if
there
was,
if
they're
purchased
with
mortgages
or
purchased
with
cash
sure
yeah.
So
there
are
a
few
things
that
we
could
layer
on
just
to
see,
because
that's
a
good
point,
I
would
be
curious
as
well
from
the
the
houses
that
that's
probably
are
they
going
to
people
who
need
them.
Are
they
going
to
become
rentals
right?
I
mean.
C
Something
I
saw
recently
it
was
a
you
know:
it's
a
highly
informative
twitter
post,
but
I
mean
somebody
was
making
a
point
that
so
often
with
a
lot
of
buyer
with
a
lot
of
sales.
Now
it's
buyers
with
cash,
not
necessarily
income.
So
the
the
the
supreme
irony
is.
If
you
have
a
job
and
income,
you
can
still
be
outbid
by
someone
that
is
either
retired
or
just
by
sheer
luck
or
a
circumstance,
has
a
huge
amount
of
cash
on
them.
B
Yep
yeah
there's
no
question
yeah
and
I'm
here
it
seems
like
I'm
in
my
personal
circles,
from
from
building
and
from
thirsty
monk
employees,
I'm
hearing
more
and
more
renters
being
displaced
by
houses
by
you
know
the
by
the
homeowner,
the
property
owners
selling.
You
know,
in
fact
you
personally,
but
but
I'm
here
I
mean
and
we
so
we
you
know.
B
I
think
I've
heard
two
like
just
this
past
month
to
like
two
of
our
employees
who
we're
trying
to
help
find
housing
for
that
and
it's
and
it's
not
it's
really
hard,
because
there's
not
much
notice
given
when
these
properties
go.
You
know
are
told
they're
going
to
be
for
sale
right.
So
I'm
here,
I'm
hearing
more
and
more
of
that.
B
A
H
Significantly
and
we've
gotten
some
calls
from
the
community
on
that.
I.
B
You
know
for
like
a
it's,
a
three-bedroom
town
home,
so
yeah
there's
there's
definitely
been
some
significant
jumps,
which
seems
with
with
the
additional
multi-multi-family
inventory.
That's
come
on,
it
seems
strange,
but
it
doesn't.
You
know
it
doesn't
doesn't
seem,
doesn't
seem
like
there's
a
it
doesn't
seem
like.
The
vacancy
rate
is
increasing
enough
to
help
prices
come
down.
C
Yeah
just
to
add
a
teeny
little
shred
of
humor
to
that
there's,
actually
a
popular
sort
of
housing,
footer
meme.
The
last
thing
you
see
before
the
rent
goes
up
400
and
it's
usually
some
kind
of
indicator
species
of
either
you
know
an
investor
or,
if
you
just
you,
google,
the
term.
The
last
thing
you
see
before
the
rent
goes
up:
400
bucks,
it's
a
pretty
good,
laugh
yeah.
B
B
So
you
know
we
have
our
build
task
force
focusing
on
you,
know,
kind
of
the
for
the
development
and
build
side
and
then
the
connect
for
helping
to
have
improved
outreach
for
those
who
need
those
who
need
and
then
the
support
channels
I'll
share
we've
met,
you
know
for
our
build
task
force
we've
met
twice
twice
now
we
met
the
first
time
was
kind
of
organizational
and
second
time
was
kind
of
we're,
starting
to
kind
of
looking
for
some
of
the
kind
of
the
low-hanging
fruit
of
things
we
can
focus
on
and
bring
some
people
in
for
discussions
that
that
could
help.
B
You
know
it's
kind
of
we're,
looking
at
what
what
drives
development
and
build
costs
up
and
what
are
the?
What
are
the
pieces
that
we
can
assist
with,
especially
those
what
are
what's
within
the
city's
power
and
what
are
what
some
of
the
other
agencies.
So
it's
been
a
good
discussion.
I
think
some
really
good
points
have
come
out
and
what
we're
going
to
do.
You
know
the
build
committee
for
each
meeting,
the
next
couple,
where
we're
focusing
on
some
of
the
specific
related
agencies
or
groups.
B
So
you
know
there's
a
good
question
that
came
up
about.
You
know
several
things
about
msd
as
far
as
like
what
it
takes
for
them
certifying
the
rebate
if
there's
a
way
to
scale
their
fees
for
for
pro,
you
know
for
value,
instead
of
it
being
a
flat
fee
and
a
couple
of
other
things
to
understand.
So
our
next
task
force,
meeting
kevin
from
msd
said
he'll
be
able
to
attend
so
we'll
be
able
to
kind
of
get
a
deeper
dive.
B
You
know,
I
think
it
really
helps
having
some
of
these.
You
know
these
intimate
conversations
with
with
folks
and
see
how
everyone
could
play
and
then
we'll
come
back
just
you
know
to
see
what
what
recommendations
we
could
we
could
bring
in,
but
I
think
it's
been,
it's
been
really
productive.
Some
are,
you
know,
really
easy
low
hanging
fruit
from
hearing
from
within
our
group,
and
we
had
some
you
know
we.
B
We
had
asked
the
home
builders
association
to
send
some
builders
to
our
last
meeting
and
we
had
we
had
someone
show
up,
and
even
from
that
you
know
just
some
input
in
the
process
of
development
services
of
just
thing.
You
know
silly
things
like
inspections
of
how
we
maybe
can
streamline
and
I've
actually
even
you
know,
had
a
discussion
with
ben
woody
on
some
of
those
and
he
thought
some
were
very
valid
and
he
was
open
to
looking
at
implementing
them
right
away.
So
I
think,
we'll
I
think,
there'll
be
some.
B
You
know
good
things
that
come
out
of
it
and
it's
really
good
intimate
discussion
and
I've
been
really
pleased
with
with
the
group
and
what
we're
doing
and
look
forward
to
sitting
down
with
kevin
next
week
I
mean
two
weeks
andy.
Can
you
hear
what's
about
connect,
what
what
I've,
what
meetings
we've
had
so
far
and
kind
of
what
you
guys
are
looking
to
focus
on.
G
Sure
barry
we
had
a
good
meeting
at
the
end
of
july,
with,
with
babs
and
joe
and
myself.
G
Like
your
first
meeting,
mostly
organizational
really
trying
to
figure
out,
you
know
what
we're
doing
and
as
a
as
a
work
group,
but
the
you
know
we
sort
of
settled
on
with
the
the
build
group
thinking
about
the
supply
of
housing
that
left
us
with
the
damage
the
demand
side,
not
as
much
low
hanging
fruit.
There
just
a
whole
lot
more
kind
of
pounding,
your
head
against
the
wall,
it
seemed
like,
but
we
we've
mapped
out
for
ourselves.
Some.
G
Some
data
analysis
that
we
want
to
look
at
around,
for
what
the
housing
need
is
particularly
trying
to
figure
out.
If
there's
pockets
of
need
that
that
you
know,
aren't
being
you
know,
served
in
programs
that
are
available
trying
to
you
know,
benchmark
some
of
the
thing
you
know
the
data
sets
like
the
bowen
report,
with
weightless
data
from
various
organizations
serving
folks
with
housing.
G
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
additional
input
that
we
wanted
to
gather
from
folks
in
the
community
and
and
thought
about
taking
the
st
the
city's
street
sheet
contact
list
that
and
using
that
as
a
way
to
you,
know,
reach
out
to
some
of
those
organizations
and
get
a
gauge
on
on
housing
availability,
sort
of
what
their
turnover
vacancy
rate
just
get
a
little
get
a
little
ground
level
knowledge
on
what's
out
there
in
the
community.
G
So
that
is
that's
where
we
are.
We
didn't
have
great
turnout
in
our
first
meeting,
so
getting
another
meeting
on
the
calendar
to
try
to
bring
the
rest
of
the
team
into
into
the
conversation
cool.
D
No,
I
think
that
was
that
was
a
good
summary
but
yeah.
Let's
definitely,
let's
connect,
maybe
after
the
meeting
today
to
talk
about
dates
and
and
trying
to
get
everybody
on
board
for
our
next
meeting.
B
That
dave
might
want
to
connect
to
it,
and
it's
later
on
in
the
agenda,
there's
a
bit
about
the
lot
star.
You
know
lots,
lobster
matt
allen
and
he's
still
looking.
I
actually
did
I
met
up
with
him
and
he
is
still
looking
to
kind
of
organize
kind
of
an
event.
You
know
a
discussion
event
specifically
about
the
that
you
know
because
they
were
a
sponsor,
I
think,
of
that
street
sheet
and
how
to
get.
You
know
different,
better
ways
to
disperse
those.
So
he
may
be
a
good.
B
You
know
he
may
be
a
good
person
for
gal
to
invite
that's
a
great
thing
about
the
task
force.
Is
you
can
invite
folks
from
outside
of
the
me
you
know
outside
of
our
group,
for
it
that
are
interested,
so
I
can.
I
can
connect
you
with
with
him
he's
pretty
passionate
and
he's
he's
an
employee
of
lotsar
and.
B
Cool
all
right:
well,
thanks,
thanks
for
that,
yeah
and
yeah
see
if
you
can
get
a
when
you're
yeah.
If
you
guys
can
get
your
group
together
for
another
meeting,
so
we
can
keep
that
moving
other
stuff
in
that
you
know
unfinished
business
is
you
know
our
house,
our
affordable
housing
challenges
and
code,
which
a
lot
of
those
kind
of
we're
really
discussing.
You
know
a
lot
of
those
we're
kind
of
discussing.
I
guess
within
the
two
task
force
specifically
the
build.
I
know
we're
we're
we're.
E
I
would
just
say
that,
hopefully,
we're
winding
down
to
some
degree.
That's
our
hope.
We're
still
toying
with
the
river
arts
district.
E
C
C
So
yeah,
that's,
you
know
two,
two
big
things
still
remaining.
I
guess
are
discussing
rad
osp,
which
is
rad
open
space.
That's
a
sub
district
within
that
form
based
code,
just
clarifying.
What's
what's
allowed
to
be
built
within
that
sub-district
and
then
also,
I
think,
we've
finalized,
allowing
you
know
50
usage
of
things
like
aquatic
buffers
and
landscape
buffers
if
they.
C
As
part
of
open
space,
so
that's
a
that's
a.
I
think
it's
a
good
policy
clarification
and
change
that
would
especially
benefit
a
lot
of
smaller,
tighter
urban
and
field
sites.
E
I
think
the
other
thing
is
that
we've
got
so
many
members
that
are
on
the
tree.
A
E
I
E
A
C
And
it's
something
that
I
have
pointed
out
to
to
the
task
force
staff
and
all-
is
that
technically
there
are
four
members
of
the
forestry
commission
variously
joining
the
meeting,
whilst
all
the
other
groups,
I
think,
there's
seven
other
groups,
including
a
hack,
riverfront
development
commission,
downtown
each
have
two
members.
So
that's
been
a
somewhat
of
an
inconsistency.
One
of
one
of
the
ufc
members
is
actually
on
as
a
neighborhood
advisory
committee
knack
member.
C
So
it's
it's
somewhat
of
a
gray
area,
but
it
is
just
a
numerical
fact
that
I
pointed
out
to
staff
in
the
task
force.
C
Yes,
I
mean,
I
think,
certainly
on
margie
my
mind's
part
and
also
chris
days
as
he
is
a
representative
for
chris
remind
me.
The
development
customer
cannot
remember
the
acronym
it's
yeah.
F
Development
services
advisory
group,
basically.
C
Right,
yes,
I
mean,
I
think,
between
the
three
of
us
and
I
think
other
members
of
the
task
force.
We
would
definitely
like
to
wrap
up
in
the
next
month
or
so,
especially
if
it's
being
planned
to
be
presented
to
city
council
in
december,
which
is
really
not
that
far
away
since
we're
in
september.
Now,.
A
E
I
would
just
say
that
last
night
was
planning
and
zoning
when
they
were
trying
to
look
at
the
new
urban
code
and
I
dropped
off
after
a
while.
F
E
Was
a
very
long
meeting
and
but
I
think,
scott,
we
need
to
probably
go
back
and
take
a
look
at
open
space
in
these
new
urban.
E
B
Chris
did
you
didn't
hear
I
was
I
was
in
on.
Actually
I
was
in.
I
was
in
two
days
ago
or
three
days
ago
and
on
a
urban
that
urban
place
center,
like
a
focus
group,
it's
it's
funny.
I
haven't
heard
much
about
it,
but
I
was
called
it
you
know.
So
I
was
in
on
this
meeting
and
it
was
john.
You
know.
John
spake
was
really
there's
and
jay
lori
from
you
know
representing
some
of
the
properties,
and
you
know
development
specifically
spake
with
the
angle
sites
and
yeah.
It
was
kind
of
weird.
B
It
was
a
strange,
have
a
focus
group
of
something
that
was
going
to
pnz
the
next
day,
but
yeah.
I'm
curious
what
happened?
There
definitely
was
a
lot
you
know,
but
I
guess
what
was
what
was
on
pnz
was
for
it
was
for
their
blessing
of
it
for
a
phase
one
which
included
some
of
the
properties
that
have
been
discussed
and
then
to
be
a
phase
two
later.
So
I'm
curious
what
happened
on
it?
B
There
definitely
was
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
about
how
how
that
will
complicate
things
and
then
also
you
know
just
kind
of
force,
mixing
residential
and
commercial
development
for
those
who
don't
aren't
familiar
with
doing
both
of
those,
and
you
know
we,
we
introduced
the
idea
or
discussed
the
idea
of
doing
kind
of
like
a
transfer
of
development
rights,
kind
of
thing
so
like
instead
of
asking,
instead
of
angles
having
to
build
housing,
that
they
could
support
an
affordable
housing
project
elsewhere
on
different
land.
B
So
it
was
brought
up
as
part
of
the
you
know,
a
discussion
of
a
way
of
how
to
how
they
can
assist
in
the
affordable
housing
construction
without
having
to
do
it
in
their
parking
lot.
So
we'll
see
but
yeah.
I
didn't.
I
hadn't
heard
what
the
pnz
result
was.
I
just
then
sent
a
text
out
to
see
if
I
can
get
an
update,
but
I
didn't
I
didn't.
I
do
know.
I
think
yesterday
was
who's.
Who
tony's
last
meeting
is
that
right?
Chris.
E
I
also
just
want
to
mention
on
that
interesting
meeting
that
that
we
were
both
on
is
the
public
benefits
table
for
urban
centers
and
they
presented
a
something
similar
to
what
they
decided
to
do
for
hotels
and
in
which
they're
trying
to
gather
a
certain
number
of
points.
E
If
you
have
this
commercial
center
and
if
you
do
or
if
you
don't
build,
affordable
housing
with
it
and
so,
but
in
looking
at
and
talking
to
some
other
people
that
are
actually
nonprofits
that
do
affordable
housing,
the
numbers
didn't
really,
they
made
them
up
and
they
didn't
really
come
out
to
to
be
the
number
of
points
and
the
number
of
dollars.
E
B
Yeah
definitely
like
in
this.
I
think
the
one
example
was
like,
like
the
200
000
square
foot,
commercial
project
would
have
a
certain
housing
requirement,
not
certainly
affordable
and
then
they'd
need
certain
points
and
they
could
get
that
by
providing
affordable
housing
or
contributing,
and
I
think
in
that
case
was
something
like
250
000
to
the
trust
fund
or
for
reparations.
B
Seem
to
be
yeah
all
right,
but
yeah
we'll
see
if
we
get
I'm
curious.
What
happened
on
that,
but
we'll
get
we'll
figure
that
out
the
next
day
or
so
all
right.
Moving
on
for
new
business,
homeward
bound
landlord
partnership
looks
like
jesse's
joining
us
to
share
on
that.
J
Yes,
thank
you,
barry
and
thank
you
paul
for
inviting
me
to
the
session
this
morning.
I
appreciate
it.
This
has
definitely
been
a
on
paul's
radar
for
a
while,
and
I've
been
here
for
about
eight
months
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
really
important
to
me
when
I
came
in
is
talking
to
our
landlord
partners
and
realizing
what
was
important
to
them
and
what
some
of
their
pain
points
are.
J
You
know
we've
been
around
for
a
while,
but
now
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
really
revamp
our
program
rebrand,
so
to
speak
and
and
offer
more
supportive
services
to
our
landlord
partners,
so
we're
doing
quarterly
inspections
we're
available
to
our
landlord
partners.
Monday.
J
Through
friday,
we
have
a
full
team
of
housing
specialists
now
to
assist
them
and
really
marketing
that
in
the
community,
as
homeward
bound
is,
is
here
not
only
to
assist
our
clients,
but
that
our
relationships
with
our
landlords
are
equally
as
important
and
we're
here
to
help
manage
those
properties
and
help
manage
that
tenancy.
For
you,
we
did
also
just
receive
new
funding
from
blue
cross
and
blue
shield,
and
the
north
carolina
coalition
to
end
homelessness.
Specifically
for
landlord
incentives,
so
we're
really
excited
about
this.
J
J
We
have
funds
to
cover
damages
when
we're
doing
the
inspections
and
moving
folks
in
we've
got
some
funds
to
kind
of
help
with
some
of
those
upfits
and
get
units
ready,
and
then,
if
we
have,
you
know
a
good
fit
with
a
landlord
and
a
client
we're
able
to
do
essentially
a
release
bonus
as
well.
So
this
just
allows
us
to
understand
that
really
our
property
owners
are
caring
about
the
bottom
line
right
now
because
of
where
our
market
is,
and
it
allows
homeward
bound
to
really
be
competitive.
J
With
this,
which
is
exciting
and
in
terms
of
some
of
our
recruitment
efforts,
there's
a
couple
different
campaigns
that
I
am
leading
here
for
the
organization
and
also
for
some
of
our
other
continuum
of
care
agencies
as
well.
We
are
doing
I'm
starting
a
mobile
home
park
campaign.
J
Obviously,
mobile
homes
continue
to
be
some
of
the
most
affordable
units
in
our
our
market
right
now,
but
also
looking
at
those
landowners
and
property
managers
that
are
managing
the
most
units,
just
to
kind
of
help
me
manage
my
time
and
also
starting
those
conversations
with
developers
and
multi-family
units,
so
there's
kind
of
three
different
ways
that
we're
approaching
it
and
really
the
idea
is
to
to
change
some
of
that
stigma.
J
You
know,
we've
got
a
homelessness,
that's
been
in
the
news
recently
and,
as
joe
mentioned,
we're
thrilled
and
excited
for
the
days
in
coming
down
the
line,
but
that
is
a
little
bit
further
out,
so
this
opportunity
that
we
have
now
in
partnering
with
landlords,
is
our
immediate
answer,
and
so
paul-
and
I
have
talked
a
lot
about
how
we
can
get
the
word
out.
J
Homeward
bound
has
done
some
press
releases
and
I
think
we're
thinking
about
having
a
press
release
that
might
come
from
the
city
as
well,
and
it
also
you
know:
we've
just
got
these
new
emergency
vouchers
and
that's
going
to
allow
us
to
just
have
a
better
partnership
with
haka
paul.
I
hope
you
don't
mind
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
plug
here
regarding
what
we
talked
about.
J
Fair
market
rate
2022
has
gone
down,
which
is
very
interesting
and
very
problematic,
as
you
can
imagine,
it
is
not
the
trend
that
we
have
been
seeing.
Certainly
landlords
have
been
charging
over
a
thousand
dollars
for
one
bedroom
unit,
so
this
came
as
a
surprise
and
it
causes
all
sorts
of
problems
for
haka
for
all
of
us.
J
Coc
agencies
and
really
just
continues
to
raise
that
bar
for
landlords,
so
david
nash,
being
the
the
wonderful
advocate
that
he
is,
has
has
hired
a
third
party
and
is
leading
an
appeal
to
do
another
rent
contract
and
to
try
to
get
that
essentially
revised
and
see,
if
there's
any
opportunity
for
us
to
to
have
that
back
up.
So
I
think
paul
was
going
to
look
and
see
if
there
was
any
additional
funding
sources
to
help
haka
out
with
that.
But.
H
So
that's
awesome,
jesse
and
barry
if
I
can
have
a
a
minute
just
to
kind
of
put
it
in
con,
something
in
context
for
the
group
and
and
our
our
nielsen
rating
busting
ratings
on
youtube
with
all
the
people
watching.
But
I
do
think
that
this
voucher,
this
voucher
story
is,
is
really
important.
I'm
so
grateful
for
jesse
being
here.
H
She
handles
my
emails
of
trying
to
enter
into
that
world
and
kate
pat's
going
to
talk
next,
but
you
know
we're
presenting
now
the
voucher
list
from
haka
about
the
vouchers
that
are
sitting
and
stirring
on
the
street
we're
getting
these
funding
resources
that
are
coming
in
to
help
with
these
vouchers.
I
think,
thanks
to
to
get
more
vouchers
to
david's
credit
with
voucher
payment
standards,
he's
kind
of
took
the
financial
argument
of
not
accepting
a
voucher
to
a
certain
extent
off
the
table.
H
So
then
dealing
with
the
the
stigma,
issues
that
stick
around
with
vouchers
city,
I
think,
is
doing
our
part.
I
know
we
can
always
do
better,
but
we've
really
incentivized
vouchers
in
our
policy.
Grateful
that
that
folks
out
there
chris
dave
selling
those
aspects
of
those
policies,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we
don't
have
units
or
landlords
accepting
these
vouchers,
we
can
get
all
the
money
we
want.
H
And
it's
not
going
to
make
any
difference
if
the
folks
don't
have
a
a
place
to
call
home.
So
we
did
coordinated
an
effort
with
wlos
who
reached
out
about
a
story
in
june
and
then
I
of
course
pitch
back
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
which
was
this
collective
voucher
story,
which
they
did
in
the
middle
of
june.
Talking
about
vouchers,
emergency
rental
assistance,
homeward
bound
or
other
folks
in
the
coc
like
elijah
holmes
and
help
me
and
then,
of
course,
kate.
H
Pet's
effort
would
thrive,
kind
of
a
call
to
action
on
landlords
so
to
jessie's
credit
she's,
specifically
really
focusing
on
this
and
and
keeping,
of
course,
their
vouchers
in
mind.
But
thinking
bigger
picture.
I'm
trying
to
insert
myself
where
I
can
to
help
out
with
this.
But
we
need
to
hopefully
bring
in
front
of
this
group
a
way
to
incentivize
those
landlords
or
let
them
know
that
these
programs
are
out
there,
which
is
why
jesse
and
kate
are
here
today
to
get
more
landlords
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution.
H
The
homeless
struggles,
permanent,
supportive
housing
or
just
regular
folks
who
have
a
voucher.
Who
can't
find
anyone
to
accept
it?
So
that's
the
premise
of
having
this
here
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
any
quick
questions
on
that.
Jessie
thanks
and
sorry
bear
to
jump
in
there
and
if
you
want
to
meet
kate,
she's
got
a
couple
slides,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
this
in
context
for
the
group
here
of
really
important
folks
around
the
table.
Who
can
help
share
this
message?.
B
Sure,
no,
that's
it's
real
helpful.
Can
I
just
to
understand
that
so
jesse,
what
your
per
your
programs
are
specifically
reaching
out
for
clients
that
are
currently
homeless
and
then
thrive
is
like
on
for
voucher,
like
focusing
on
voucher,
I'm
just
trying
to
just
understand
the
difference
in
the
two
programs.
J
J
That
is
how
we
prioritize
our
our
grant
slots
for
housing
and
thrive
is
certainly
assisting
more
families
and
kate
can
kind
of
speak
to
some
of
those
guidelines
as
well.
So
it's
a
different
client
base,
but
still
the
same
need
in
terms
of
a
call
for
landlords.
A
K
Drive
is
serving
families;
our
tenants
have
to
be
currently
living
in
public
housing
and
who
have
children
under
18..
Most
of
our
families
are
have
at
least
two
kids
and
one
of
the
efficiencies
I
think
of
our
program
is
that
by
moving
families
out
of
public
housing
into
high
opportunity,
neighborhoods
for
creating
new
space
in
our
public
housing
communities
so
for
every
one
family
moved
we're
actually
helping
two
families
because
we're
able
to
move
families
off
of
waiting
lists
from
public
housing
into
more
stable
housing.
There
cool.
B
Okay,
yeah,
it
was
actually
please,
you
probably
know
kate
has
yeah
well.
Actually
I
sold
the
property
this
last
one
last
month
that
that
was
put
on
to
thrive.
So
the
it
was,
you
know,
a
local
local
person
bought
it
and
set
up
a
new
non-profit
and
purchased
two
duplexes
four
units
and
put
it
onto
the
thrive
program.
So
I
was,
you
know,
very,
very
excited
when
I
see
things
that
I
build
go
to
what
they're
intended
for
so
yeah,
but
kate
yeah.
K
Yeah
well,
thank
you
so
much
and
thanks
for
the
time
I
sent
a
few
slides
to
paul
just
because
I'm
such
a
visual
learner
myself
so
paul's
gonna
show
those
and
I'll
give
you
a
rundown
on
how
things
are
going.
H
Can
everybody
see
my
screen
yep
yeah,
all
right?
I
will
present
kate
just
do
the
classic
next
slide
and
I
will
follow
along.
K
Yeah
so
thrive
asheville,
as
you
know,
we're
really
not
our
our
long-term
mission
is
really
to
bring
people
together
and
to
connect
the
dots
so
that
we
can
do
things
more
effectively
and
efficiently
and
for
us
the
landlord-tenant
partnership
has
been
a
great
example
of
that.
Our
goal
is
not
to
be
a
long-term
program
provider,
but
instead
to
find
ways
that
existing
programs
can
work
better
together.
So
the
next
slide
addresses
the
partners
who
are
making
the
landlord-tenant
partnership
possible.
K
K
We
also
work
very
closely
with
asheville
housing
authority
folks
and
super
appreciate
them.
We
have
independent
tenant
coaches,
who
are
partners
in
this
project
and
children.
First
communities
and
schools
of
bunking
county
is
also
serving
as
the
fiscal
agent,
but
also
greg.
Borum
is
just
a
close
advisor
and
connector
to
the
community,
so
this
is
really
a
collaborative
effort
and
we're
grateful
for
that.
K
Next
slide,
so
we
kicked
off
this
program
officially
in
the
summer
of
2020,
so
we're
really
just
at
about
13
months
of
operation
and
our
results
thus
far
that
we've
moved
19
families
from
public
housing
communities
into
what
we
consider.
K
Opportunity
neighborhood
areas
of
our
city
and,
as
I
mentioned,
by
moving
those
19
families
out
of
our
public
housing
communities,
we've
enabled
19
families
to
move
from
waiting
lists
into
more
stable
housing.
So
so
far,
38
families
impacted
by
this
initiative.
K
We
had
a
little
bit
of
a
focus
group
in
june,
with
the
landlords
who'd
been
in
the
program
for
a
while.
There
were
six
lane
lords
present
and
five
out
of
six
of
them
said
that
they
would
refer
to
the
program
and
the
to
other
landlords,
and
one
of
them
had
just
been
the
program
for
two
months,
so
he
said
it
was
too
soon,
but
in
general,
a
hundred
percent
of
the
landlords
report
that
the
program
is
beneficial
to
them.
K
Additionally,
they
shared
that
the
program
that
they
were
really
learning
something
from
the
program.
I
wanted
to
mention
that,
because
one
of
our
goals
in
the
landlord-tenant
partnership
is,
as
jesse
mentioned,
to
really
break
down
the
stereotypes
about
who
voucher
holders
are
and
about
what
that
experience
can
be
like
for
landlords,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
thought
was
interesting
is
that
multiple
landlords
mentioned
that
as
a
result
of
accepting
vouchers.
K
For
the
first
time,
they
were
really
learning
something
about
the
challenges
that
our
neighbors
in
this
community
are
facing
and
that
they
felt
really
they
felt
like
they
had
really
grown
and
were
excited
to
be
a
part
of
this
program.
So.
K
K
K
K
So
we
see
a
need
to
expand
the
tenant
supports
and
also
to
adjust
the
way
in
which
the
tenant
coaches
are
interacting
with
landlords
and
tenants.
So
we're
kind
of
tweaking
that
piece,
we're
also
really
working
on
developing
things,
which
have
not
existed
so
far
like
a
landlord
handbook
that
is
visually
engaging
and
accessible,
so
that
a
landlord
can
actually
express
an
interest
in
accepting
vouchers
and
have
an
easy
how-to
guide
that
helps
them
navigate
the
process.
K
We're
documenting
lessons
learned
because
we
are
interested
in
growing
this
program
and
seeing
the
lessons
that
we're
learning
also
be
applied
to
other
situations
where
we're
trying
to
have
greater
voucher
acceptance,
we're
intending
in
the
next
six
months
to
work
on
raising
ongoing
resources
to
continue
this
program
and
to
increase
the
program
footprint.
K
A
lot
of
the
I
frequently
get
calls
from
landlords
who
are
just
outside
the
city
boundaries
and,
of
course,
city
funding
is
limited
to
operating
in
the
city,
so
we
haven't
been
able
to
work
with
a
whole
ring
of
landlords
who
would
be
interested
in
accepting
vouchers
and
and
making
neighborhoods
accessible.
That
would
be
really
beneficial
to
families.
K
So
we're
going
to
look
at
finding
resources
that
continue
our
work
in
the
city,
but
also
really
allow
us
to
expand
the
footprint,
so
more
folks
can
benefit.
H
K
Yeah
so
I'll
circle
back
around,
so
you
can
turn
that
off.
Unless
someone
has
a
question,
I
think
I'll
circle
back
around
to
say
that
you
know,
as
jesse
mentioned
we're
serving
different
populations
and
maybe
with
a
slightly
different
purpose.
We
really
see
the
landlord-tenant
partnership,
as
you
know,
an
effort
at
disrupting
the
cycle
of
poverty
and
addressing
the
sort
of
historic
segregation
in
our
community
by
integrating
neighborhoods.
K
So
that's
kind
of
the
the
biggest
longest
term.
Ambition
of
this
program
that
really
focusing
on
children,
families
and
integration.
K
Yeah
so
we're
using
non-qct's.
K
So
you
know
in
some
ways
it's
somewhat
arbitrary
murgy
because
asheville's
so
small,
and
so
it's
not,
I
don't
think
as
relevant
as
when
this
criteria
is
used
in
larger
neighborhood
or
in
larger
cities.
But,
for
example,
east
west
asheville
is
in
a
qct.
K
I
keep
calling
it
qt
yeah
qualified
census
track
thanks,
so
so
east
west
asheville
has
a
higher
rate
of
poverty,
so
it
is
a
qualified
census
tract,
whereas
west
asheville
west
of
240
is
a
non-qct
because
it
has
lower
poverty.
K
So
a
high
opportunity,
neighborhood,
is
one
that
has
lower
poverty,
and
so
this
program
is
trying
to
deconcentrate
poverty
by
helping
families
access
neighborhoods
where
right
now
they
don't
normally
have
access
I'll,
just
say
one
more
thing,
which
is
that
you
know
historically
much
of
the
voucher
acceptance
happened
in
rings
right
around
our
existing
public
housing.
So
the
goal
here
is
to
incentivize
landlords
to
accept
vouchers
and
neighborhoods,
where
there
have
not
historically
been
voucher,
supported,
tenancies.
J
Have
been
trying
to
kind
of
send
referrals
to
each
other,
you
know
when
we
have
a
multi-bedroom
unit
that
we
can't
use
I'll
try
to
pass
that
on
to
kate
and
kate
has
recently
sent
over
similarly
some
landlords
that
weren't
in
those
neighborhoods
that
she
was
looking
for,
but
certainly
are
great
fits
for
our
client
base,
and
so
our
goal
moving
forward
is
for
all
of
us
to
really
just
work
in
coordination
with
each
other.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Kate.
K
Yeah
absolutely-
and
I
think
that's
the
great
potential
here
that
our
community
can
really
think
about,
is
how
can
we
pull
together
all
of
the
folks
who
are
trying
to
leverage
these
federal
dollars
and
find
the
most
efficient
set
of
incentives
and
tools
that
will
make
our
community
really
grab
on
to
every
voucher
that
we
have?
That
is
definitely
the
big
picture
goal
and
so
love
to
continue
the
conversation
about
how
we
can
convene
that
group
and
really
identify
all
the
opportunities.
A
C
That
actually
margie
had
the
exact
same
question
I
had,
and
you
answered
it
perfectly.
Thank
you.
H
And
just
quickly
here
you
know
these
are
the
big
challenges.
We've
got
a
tight
supply
market
out
there,
so
very
high
rents
that
are
coming
up
as
well,
so
people
know
they
can
grab
those
I'm
getting
some
feedback
somewhere,
but
so
that
importance
of
of
figuring
this
out
collectively
and
together,
and
that's
why
we
thought
it
great
to
present
to
this
group
and
jesse
and
kate
a
big
thanks
for
you
know,
helping
us
coordinate
some
of
this
stuff
together,
and
so
thank
you
for
that
barry
joe
you.
D
Yeah,
hey
kate,
so
I'm
interested
in
your
tenant
coaches
and
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
them.
Who
are
they?
Are
they
volunteers?
You
know
what
what
are
they
doing?
If
you
don't
go
into
addressing
that
yeah
for
sure.
K
So
the
tenant
coaches
are
two
women
sort
of
like
long-term
community
assets,
lucia
doherty
and
anna
marie
smith.
They
have
different
expertise
in
terms
of
the
type
of
support
that
they
provide.
K
You
probably
know
that
lucia
has
a
long
background
in
fair
housing,
access
and
anna
used
to
work
with
on
track
financial,
and
so
her
background
is
in
financial
coaching,
so
they
work
sort
of
as
a
team
they've
developed
a
handbook
for
tenants
that
helps
them
guide
the
process
or
helps
them
understand
what
might
be
sort
of
the
universe
of
questions
that
they
might
have
as
they
move
make
this
transition.
K
How
to
provide
this
service
to
tenants
without
making
the
assumption
that,
just
because
people
are
poor,
that
they
need
support
and
how
to
provide
this
service
in
a
way
that
doesn't
further
the
assumption
or
any
kind
of
you
know,
bias
that
landlords
hold
about
who
poor
people
are
so
we've
our
first
year
of
implementation.
We
really
tried
to
make
this
strictly
at
the
request
of
tenants
and
we
have
not
in
any
way
compelled
tenants
to
participate.
It's
really
just
been
when
a
tenant
moves
in.
K
They
get
a
welcome
basket
from
the
tenants
or
from
the
tenant
coaches,
with
some
nice
gifts
and
with
information
about
what's
available
to
them
and
a
copy
of
the
handbook,
and
then
the
tenants
can
follow
up
or
not
after
they've
met
the
tenant
coaches.
K
K
They
have
been
just
entering
the
relationship
once
the
move
has
happened,
and
we
think
that
we
want
to
provide
an
opportunity
to
get
the
coaches
of
the
tenants
looking
at
the
lease
together.
So
we
pay
them.
That
was
part
of
your
question.
They
are
paid,
they
are
contracted
and
I
think
that
they
are
really.
You
know
we're
really.
K
This
is
a
pilot,
we're
trying
to
figure
it
out,
and
our
goal
is
really
to
understand
and
have
a
clear
blueprint
for
how
we
could
really
make
recommendations
about
the
level
of
support
that
these
tenants
need
going
forward.
A
G
Yeah
thanks,
I
was
wondering
I
mean
it's
just
great
results
and
from
both
of
these
efforts
to
expand,
voucher
acceptance
and
certainly
laying
the
groundwork,
for
you
know,
for
landlords
to
increase
their
acceptance
of
this.
I'm
wondering
how
this,
if
it's
possible
for
this
to
fit
with
you
know
what
has
happened
in
some
other
communities
around
the
country
where
source
of
income
has
been
included
as
part
of
the
city's
non-discrimination
ordinance.
So
we
know
we,
our
non-discrimination,
ordinance
was
just
updated
by
council
back
in
july.
I'm
wondering.
H
H
K
I
could
say
something
really
quickly
about
that.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
really
so
important,
because
even
though
I
know
that
I
have
seen
and
heard
stories
directly
from
tenants
where
they
will
say
you
know,
I
was
told
when
I
knocked
on
this
door.
I
don't
take
vouchers.
So
I
know
that
that's
the
real
experience.
K
I
will
say
that
I
think
it's
a
slightly
different
tier
than
the
group
that
I'm
working
with,
which
I
think
is
just
another
reason
to
go
back
to
this
idea
about
how
do
we
really
create
a
convening
or
how
do
we
map
the
whole
spectrum
of
people
who
are
trying
to
access
vouchers,
because
the
group
that
I'm
working
with
my
slice
of
the
pie
here
is
really
even
getting
to
the
landlord
to
even
start
the
conversation
there's
a
lot
more
in
place
and
a
lot
more
support
required
than
just
making
sure
you
know
they
don't
show
up
as
as
competitive
applicants.
K
I
guess
I
would
say
so.
So
it's
almost
like
the
least
of
their
problems
is
the
landlord
not
accepting
vouchers.
They've
got
all
these
other
challenges
that
we
have
to
overcome,
but
but
if
we
could
also
start
to
look
at
that
next
tier
that,
I
think
andy's
question
really
points
to.
I
think
that's
really
critical
to
to
really
allowing
a
space,
then
for
my
folks
to
move
to
so
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
keep
moving
people
along
this
pipeline.
B
Great
great
thanks,
I
do
have
like
a
couple
of
couple
questions
so
for
how
like,
because
it's
come
up
as
discussion,
not
necessarily
with
any
under
your
programs,
but
what
are
for
some
developments
that
accept
voucher
housing?
What
is
the
support
services
available?
Because
I
think
the
tenant
support
services
are
valuable
and
there's
been
like?
We
had
a
meeting
a
few
back
as
whether,
if
there's
projects
that
accept
you
know
voucher
housing.
If
we
should
have
like
a
non-profit
agency,
they
can
partner
with
to
offer
support
services.
B
So
the
support
service
isn't
just
calling
the
police.
What
are
some
of
the
options
in
the
community
that
are
out
there.
J
But
they
would
really
like
to
see
some
more
of
those
supportive
services
to
them
as
a
landlord.
Who
can
they
call
if
they're
having
you
know
lease
violations,
or
things
like
that?
So
I
don't
know
that
I
I
know
of
other
resources,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
help
connect
that,
because
I
I
do
hear
that
as
well.
Kate.
D
K
Well,
I
guess
I
would
just
say
that
I
think
this
is
a
really
tricky
point
and
and
in
some
ways
I'm
not
sure
that
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
have
kind
of
a
one-stop
shop
that
develops
a
service
for
tenants.
Because
again,
then
I
think
it
makes
it
gets
us
back
into
that
mind
frame
that
that
all
people
experiencing
poverty
have
a
similar
set
of
needs.
You
know,
jesse's
population
has
a
completely
different
set
of
needs
than
the
families
that
I'm
working
with
so
of
the
19
families.
We've
moved
so
far.
K
Three
of
them
have
had
challenges.
I
could
have
included
a
slide
on
that,
but
I
was
thinking
of
keeping
it
to
five
minutes
or
something,
but
so
three
out
of
19..
So
I
think
that's
a
pretty
good
number.
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
successful
group
of
people
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
add
to
these
mostly
working
single
families,
the
assumption
that
they
have
to
participate
in
some
type
of
regular
meeting
a
class.
B
Yeah,
so
it's
like
who
you
know
it's
like
I
mean
there's,
you
know
when
there's
one
project
in
particular,
we've
discussed
that
I
know
the
landlord
has
wished.
There
was
resources
to
lean
on
and
it's
you
know,
and
I
think
they
accept
you
know
I
don't
know
30
60
vouchers
at
their
place
so
and
I
know
like
they
could
use
help
and
I'm
I'm
trying
to
just
understand
like
what
are
the
resources
and
who
could
they
go
to
you
know?
So
it's
not.
It
always
doesn't
escalate
to
police.
I'm
just
you
know.
K
I
think
to
me
and
jesse
cheiman,
but
to
me
that's
something
to
be
developed,
that
that
is.
That
is
a
need
in
this
community
to
understand
the
unique
needs
of
different
segments
of
our
population
and
to
design
the
intervention
that
fits
kind
of
the
place
along
the
along
that
pipeline
and
yeah.
And
I
think
that
it's
just
very
important
that
it
not
be
a
one
size
fits
all.
J
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
mean
obviously
we're
we're
working
with
folks
that
have
not
been
in
housing
for
the
last
couple
years.
So
it's
that
level
of
intense
case
management
for
many
of
our
clients
is
absolutely
necessary,
but
I
think
it
looks
very
different.
I
mean
we
use
regular
hakka
vouchers
to
graduate
a
lot
of
our
programs.
H
J
Of
the
services
that
we
offer-
and
I
know
that
you
know-
michelle
is
really
awesome
at
haka
and
communicating
with
landlords
and
the
eligibility
specialists
are
doing
some
of
that.
But
on
the
tenant
side,
that's
certainly
something
I
could.
I
could
explore
and
chat
more
with
michelle
and
others
about.
B
How
does
so,
what
are
the
the
the
the
incentives
that
you
offer
right
now
for
landlords
are
coming
from
coming
from
where
and
this
you
know,
and
I'll,
just
I'll,
just
where
I'm
gonna
connect?
This
conversation
is
further.
You
know
the
on
our
agenda
that
the
item
I
is
called
scaled,
affordable
housing
rebates
or
credits
for
shorter
term
commitments,
because
I
I
see
you
know
that
is
my.
B
You
know
from
my
understanding
of
like
housing,
trust
fund
and
our
city
funds
unless
a
landlord
or
property
owner
you
know,
that's
a
property
owner,
whether
they're
built
whatever
whether
it's
for
sale
or
for
lease
is
willing
to
make
a
you
know:
20
to
30
year
deed
commitment
with
their
property
there's
not
much
city
options.
That's
why
I
brought
this
other
option
on
the
agenda
like
what
is
a
shorter
term
commitment
that
if
someone
wanted
to
try
it
with,
but
still
get,
there's
still
some
scale
benefits.
B
J
On
homework
bound
side,
our
funding
is
it's
privately
funded.
It's
blue
cross
blue
shield,
dedicating
that
money
to
the
north
carolina
coalition
to
end
homelessness.
So
there
are
four
agencies
within
the
state
that
are
receiving
that
funding,
and
it
was
specifically
for
that
purpose
for
homeless
agencies,
specifically
the
conversations
that
I've
had
with
paul
and
emily
and
brian
is
that
right
now
that
puts
some
of
our
other
coc
agencies
that
are
doing
the
same
work
at
a
disadvantage
because
they
don't
have
those
financial
incentives
right
now.
J
So,
while
we
have
that
those
conversations
have
to
look
very
different,
and
so
I
would
love
to
see
if
there's
something
more
on
a
coc
level
or
even
it
could
be
written
into
that
funding
proposal
to
offer
more
of
agencies
that
the
same
essentially
the
same
sales
pitch
to
property
owners
of
the
incentives
that
we
could
use
to
back
up
our
program
and
kate.
I
think
your
funding
is
completely
different.
Yeah.
K
So
we
I
got
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
the
city
and
about
not
quite
an
additional
fifty
thousand
dollars
from
the
dogwood
health
trust.
So
our
pilot
total
cost
is
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
move
fifty
families.
K
K
They
get
1200
when
they
sign
a
lease
and
they
get
1200
six
months
into
the
first
year.
That's
to
offset
extended
vacancy
additional
time
for
going
through
the
haka
process
of
accepting
vouchers.
You
know
it's
time-consuming
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
work
on
is
how
to
make
that
process
faster.
That
would
make
it
more
cost
efficient
for
landlords.
K
So
I
think,
there's
lots
of
ways
we
could
work
on
continuing
to
drive
down
the
cost
for
landlords,
but
at
this
time
it's
still
costly,
and
so
I
think
that
the
city
and
other
sources
should
consider.
How
are
we
going
to
keep
these
landlords
in
it,
particularly
if
the
reimbursement
rate
goes
down?
K
So
you
know
these
landlords
have
twenty
four
hundred
dollars
for
the
first
year.
Obviously
all
of
them
have
wanted
to
continue
the
contracts
or
their
leases
with
we
just
had
some
enter
their
second
year.
Lease
and
they've
all
wanted
to
continue,
but
I
worry
about
that
long
term.
K
So
I
think
that
the
city
should
one
thing
is
that
we'll
need
more
money
from
the
city
to
continue
this
work,
and
I
think
that
the
city
should
consider
how
should
it
continue
to
reward
landlords
who
are
doing
the
extra
work?
And
you
know
maybe
taking
a
fine,
a
small
financial
hit?
How
can
the
city
be
co-investors
with
those
landlords
in
that
process?
I'm
going
with
perhaps
an
additional
annual
incentive,
or
something
like
that.
B
Okay,
yes
yeah,
it's
curious!
Just
you
have
my
you
know.
You
know
my
personal
experience
is
yeah.
We
have
you
know
we.
We
sold
two
brand
new
duplexes
to
go
into
the
program
and
they're
in
in
our
experience
like
there
was
actually
what's
funny.
Is
they're
not
there's
nothing
that
deemed
them
affordable
that
they
qualified
for
any
rebates
from
the
city,
any
rebates
from
msd,
and
that
was
you
know
it's
odd.
So
I
think
that's
part
of
like
well.
B
If
there's
people
who
want
to
do
this
yeah,
what
are
the
other
tools
that
we
can
use
so,
if
something's
being
used
for
affordable
purposes,
even
if
it
doesn't
have
a
30-year
deed
restriction
that
what
are?
What
are
the
other
tools
that
are
available
because
it
was
it
was,
it
was
a
you
know.
Just
personally
was
frustrating
to
say
that
it
wasn't
there
wasn't
there
was
there,
wasn't
any
rebate
available
so
and
I
think
it
would
encourage
more.
It
would
encourage
more
developers,
builders
and
landlords.
B
You
know
to
join
programs
if
there
was
scaled
ways
to
do
it
because
yeah,
that's
you're,
saying
you're,
so
you're
saying
you're
like
on
kate.
I'm
hearing
it's
2400
is
the
stipend
and
then
it
basically
and
then
rent
is
basically
the
what
the
the
2021
voucher
rates
would
be
and
there's
no
yeah
there's.
No,
so
there's
no
really,
there's
no
there's
no
additional
funding
coming
into
that.
So
it's
really
set
by
the
by
the
voucher
amount.
K
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
landlords
who's
in
our
program.
Evelyn
herron,
I
don't
know
if
you
know
all
know
evelyn
but
she's
fabulous,
long-term
asheville
resident
and
she
has
a
few
rentals,
and
you
know
she
made
this
pitch
at
a
forum
that
paul
participated
in
where
she
said
you
know.
I
want
the
city
to
see
me
as
an
affordable
housing
provider.
K
I
want
to
be
seen
as
a
micro,
affordable,
housing
provider
and
I
want
to
have
access
to
incentives
as
well,
so
that
this
is
a
viable
strategy
for
me
long
term,
and
I
think
that's
exactly
it.
I
honestly
just
had
a
conversation
with
somebody
else.
Last
night
who
said
you
know
we're
in
a
co-housing
community.
We
want
to
take
two
or
three
of
our
units
and
make
them
affordable
housing.
H
I
think
right
now
the
policy
says
two
or
more
houses
that
if
they
provide
them
to
an
affordable
housing,
looking
at
that
income,
we
would
rebate
back
their
property
tax
for
the
city
property
tax
on
the
house
value,
not
the
land,
but
the
house
value.
So
I've
got
two
people
have
reached
out
to
me
so
far
that
are
smaller.
I
guess
micro
unit,
landlords
per
se,
and
so
far
one
of
them
doesn't
like
the
compliance
that
they
just
want
to
be
able
to
do
it
and
get
the
property
tax
rebate.
H
But
you
know:
we've
got
to
show
that
in
something
and
then
the
other
one
I'm
working
with
right
now
that
that
she's
considering
it
with
the
income,
restrict
you
know,
we
just
want
to
make
sure
they're
income
qualified
after
that
prove
that
once
a
year
to
us,
we'll
rebate
back
the
taxes
we
haven't
had
any
official
takers
yet,
but
people
are
asking
about
it
and
no
no
crying
here
by
our
men's,
but
if
it
does
take
off
you
know,
yikes
we've
got
some
compliance,
but
you
know
we'll
just
figure
that
out
later
like
we
usually
do.
E
I've
got
two
questions,
one
for
kate
and
one
for
jesse,
kate
or
either.
Who
can
never
answer
this?
Would
you
can
you
tell
us
who
or
more
of
the
landlords
that
you're
talking
about
large
corporate
companies
that
build?
You
know
big
complexes?
E
Are
they
individual,
independent,
very
small
10
to
50
unit
type
things,
but
they're,
not
a
hawthorne
they're,
not
some
of
these
other
big
okay.
K
So
very
surprising,
to
me
margie
that,
honestly
of
our
19
properties,
we
don't
have
one
that's
in
a
large
development.
Every
single
one
of
our
landlords
are
mom
and
pop
landlords
who
have
kind
of
a
social
benefit
orientation,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
really
interesting
conversation
that
I
could
use
help
on
with
anybody
at
this
group
is:
how
can
we
crack
into
that
other
market
because
it
really
does
seem
like
if
we're
having
this
kind
of
success
with
mom
and
pop
landlords?
K
H
J
I
H
J
E
Have
you
worked
at
all
with
western
north
carolina
ministries,
the
the
the
rescue
mission?
I
E
J
So
for
homework
bound,
we
have
quite
the
qualification
process.
All
of
our
services
start
at
the
day
center
located
downtown
on
ann
street,
so
folks
will
have
to.
As
you
can
imagine,
you
know
our
point
in
time
count
we
had
over
500
individuals
experiencing
homelessness,
so
it
kind
of
varies
on
our
different
programs.
Some
folks
who
are
staying
at
the
mission
might
kind
of
cycle
through
and
show
up
on
our
buy
name
list
and
buy
on
our
chronic
list,
and
we
would
be
assisting
them
we're
also.
J
F
Chris
yeah,
I
had
a
quick
follow-up
question
for
paul,
so
you
you
made
reference
that
small
small,
like
maybe
two
landlords
that
have
just
two
rental
units
can
qualify
for
if
they
make
those
affordable
can
qualify
for
that
land
use
incentive
grant.
Is
there
a
time
commitment
for
that.
A
F
What
is
the
the
tax
benefit
is
our
time
associated
with
that
tax
benefit.
H
So
it
would
follow,
along
with
the
current
land
use
incentive
grant.
So
we
change
that
a
couple
months
back
and
everything
stays
the
same.
They
would
do
the
point
structure
and
everything
like
that
and
then,
depending
on
the
amount
of
points,
every
five
points
equals
one
year
of
property
city
property,
tax
abatement
on
the
house
value
only
we
still
get
the
land
taxes,
but
it
is
that
commitment,
the
typical
20
80
20..
H
Now,
if
they
have
two
units
and
both
of
them
are
affordable,
I
think
you
know
we're
not
going
to
look
at
their
whole
portfolio.
I
don't
think
like
of
all
the
units
they
own.
That
question
has
come
up
if
we
have
to
do
clarity
there,
but
if
somebody
says
I've
got
two
units
I'm
going
to
make
both
of
these
affordable
and
80
ami
or
less
and
the
commitment
of
20
years
affordability
back
to
barry's
point
about.
Maybe
that
needs
to
be
different.
We
will
do
those
property
tax,
abatements.
K
So
it
has
I,
I
can
have
a
longer
conversation
with
you
paul,
but
I
I
think
this
understanding
that
policy
and
trying
to
find
some
negotiating
some
owners
through
it
again,
so
that
we
can
test
it
out
and
find
out.
Where
are
the
sticking
points,
because
it's
a
great
tool
and
a
great
opportunity,
but
I
think
you
know
it's
like
helping
landlords
who
can
advertise
a
place
tomorrow
and
find
a
hundred
applicants.
We
have
to
make
these
processes
so
smooth
and
so
time
efficient.
Otherwise
it
just
doesn't
make
it
worth
their
time.
K
H
We
hear
that
and
we've
been
working
on
a
little
list
if
this
does
take
off
ish,
you
know:
how
does
that
do
we
have
the
budget
for
it?
Do
they
have
to
go
to
hcd
and
council?
There's
been
talk.
H
A
H
At
the
hundred
dollars
a
month
that
we're
contributing
towards
that
gap
from
the
voucher
to
the
market
rate,
taking
again
trying
to
remove
the
financial
question
off
the
table,
but
happy
to
take
any
any
thoughts
on
that.
We
made
a
sleep
into
it,
but
we
we
might
need
a
little
cleanup
cool.
E
So
so
paul,
if
somebody
has
a
home,
I'm
talking
about
an
individual,
homeowner
and
they've
they're,
going
to
build
two
adus
that
they
want
two
or
two
units
that
they
want
to
make
affordable.
E
Let's
say
this
person
is
in
their
50s
or
60s
okay
and
they
have
the
wealth
or
the
ability
to
do
that.
Can't
I
mean
20
years
is
a
long
time.
So,
for
someone
of
I
mean
that's
typically
the
the
person
that
you're
going
to
find
that
has
the
built-up
wealth
to
be
able
to
do
this.
So
could
you
knock
it
down
to
like
10
or
15
years?
E
H
On
it
just
took
me
two
years
to
get
everyone
to
say:
20
80
20.,
I
think
you're
purple
here
folks,
but
I
do
see
there's
a
possibility
there
and
it's
definitely
worth
a
discussion.
I
gotta
say,
though,
not
to
play
devil's
advocate
at
all,
but
you
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
margie.
I
think
we
talked
about
this
at
some
point:
point
a
lot
of
push
from
the
community
that
they
want
affordable
units
to
be
permanent
forever
and
so
that
we're
up
against
that
side
of
it
as
well.
H
B
B
Even
if
it's,
as
you
know,
I
mean
simple,
as
you
know,
for
a
new
construction,
you
know
there
might
it's
it's
tapping
into
water
and
sewer
fee
rebates
that
right
now
they
only
they
follow
the
lead
of
the
city
for
affordable
certification,
and
maybe
there's
lighter
there's
ways
to
do
that
that
aren't
as
stringent,
but
I
think
you
know
we'll
have
that
conversation,
but
jesse
kate.
You
know
thank
you
so
much
for
attending.
Thank
you
so
much
for
what
you
all
are
doing
and
yeah,
I
think
they're.
B
You
know
they're
great
programs
and
I
really
appreciate
getting
a
you
know
deeper
understanding
of
the
of
you
know
the
programs
and
and
the
specific
ones
that
you
offer.
So
we
know
where
to
direct
people
if,
as
the
needs
come
up,
so
thank
you
next
step
for
our
agenda,
we
say
is
there's
a
developer
meet
and
greet
with
emma.
Is
that
something
that's
active
paul?
I
didn't
heard
about
that.
H
H
You
know
per
se
that
might
be
for
urban
centers,
but
is
something
for
neighborhoods
as
well,
but
they're
a
very
engaged
community
and
they
were
interested
in
seeing
if
you
know
a
hack
would
want
to
partner
with
them
some
local
developers
with
local
developers
and
and
get
a
few
folks-
and
I
thought
about
this
group
to
have
like
this
conversation
with
the
emma
community
and
local
developers
and
as
a
community.
H
A
B
C
H
Yeah,
so
we
need
a
meeting
with
them
tonight,
barry.
If
you
you
know,
I
don't
need
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
if
you
think
there's
interest,
I
could
share
some
emails
and
maybe
let
you
all
set
something
up
and
then
we
can
join
sure.
B
H
These
items,
I'm
just
asking
them
yeah-
these
are
just
things
that
are
coming
up
in
community
conversation
barry.
So
thanks
for
letting
us
pop
them
on
the
list
here,
but
is
there
an
infield
developer?
Training
was
done
a
couple
years
ago
is,
I
know,
we're
still
in
the
midst
of
covered
stuff,
but
is
there
an
interest
at
maybe
a
hack
sponsoring?
H
You
know
an
infield
developer
seminar
in
the
spring.
At
some
point,
I
think
some
of
these
neighborhoods
want
to
figure
out
how
they
can
get
access
to
capital
to
actually
purchase
the
vacant.
Lots
in
their
neighborhood
and
we've
had
some
good
conversations
with
that,
and
then
they
partner
with
a
local
infield
developer
or
learn
how
to
do
stuff
themselves
and
that's
a
heavy
lift.
But
I
do
wonder
if
we
should,
you
know
kind
of
throwing
it
out,
but
that
is
something
a
hack
could
sponsor
like
in
the
spring.
B
I
like
that
yeah
like
and
maybe
tying
it
in,
with
almost
like
the
setting
a
of
a
goal
with
our
you
know
with
our
task
forces
too.
It's
almost
like
a
wrap-up
goal,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
the
things
you
know
at
least
we've
covered
in
the
build
are
things
that
could
would
be
added
to
an
infill
developer's
manual.
So
I
could
see
that
you
know.
Maybe
that's
what
we
look
at
kind
of
the
goal
of
wrapping
up
our
you
know
these
task
forces
kind
of
is
the
culmination
of
something
like
that.
B
B
But
yeah
I
see
you
know
we
could
we
could
be
a
lead
in
that
and
kind
of
be
it.
You
know
from
culminating
some
of
the
you
know,
putting
together
some
of
the
things
we're
learning
through
our
deep
dives
and
then
sharing
them
in
like
a
new
resource
guide
yeah.
I
like
that.
H
And
if
you
know
bringing
somebody
in
if
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
help
pay
for
you
know
like
we
can
help
coordinate
it.
If
you
all
want
to
be
kind
of
the
sponsor,
I
would
think
this
would
be
the
group
that
maybe
would
want
to
be
behind
that,
but
we
can
help
coordinate
if
that's
the
end
game
of
your
committee
meetings.
That
sounds
like
sounds
good.
B
Yeah
yeah
it
could
tie
in
with.
I
know
it
matt
with
the
lost
our
group.
You
know
when
I
met
with
him.
I
was
kind
of
asking
asking
them.
Like
was
your
foot?
What
is
your
focus?
You
know
for
affordable,
like
this
affordable
housing
seminar.
Is
it
reaching
the
public,
those
who
need
it,
or
is
it
more
trying
to
resource
those
who
have
the
ability
to
provide
in
a
certain
ability?
You
know
whether
it's
you
know
the
real.
You
know
realtors
of
how
to
create
a
better.
B
You
know
there's
a
realtors
developer,
so
I
think
he
was
targeting.
Definitely
he
was
thinking
more
on
kind
of
the
providers,
so
there
might
be
a
way
to
kind
of
tie
that
in
you
know
I'll
see,
you
know,
I
think
he
was.
They
were
hoping
to
do
something
in
october
or
maybe,
if
their
first
round
meeting,
which
right
now
it's
you
know,
seems
almost
impossible
to
plan
anything
any
in-person
event,
because
we
don't
know
when
will
when
we'll
be
able
to
safely
safely.
B
Do
that
but
yeah,
I
think
I
think,
shooting
for
the
spring,
for
something
is,
is
a
great
gold
paw.
So
we'll
keep
that
on
and
we'll
we'll
kind
of.
Maybe
you
know
we
can
discuss
that
in
our
build
committee
and
andy
and
joe
if
you
can
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind,
that
might
help
also
with
some
focus
of
our
focus
groups,
how
to
you
know
what
we're
going
to
culminate
in
that
way.
We
don't
have
a
task
force
that
goes
as
long
as
some
of
the
ones.
B
C
C
H
So
thanks
scott,
so
that
I
just
I
hadn't
heard
of
that
and
then
one
of
the
these
developer
meetings.
Somebody
mentioned
that
to
I
don't
know
if
anyone's
familiar
with
this
mortgage
program,
I
was
not
it's
a
203
k,
rehab
mortgage,
where
you
know,
we've
heard
about
houses
under
275
that
need
work.
This
mortgage
program,
if
still
real
and
active,
seems
to
be
a
mortgage
program
to
purchase
the
home
and
rehab
it
all
in
one
mortgage.
Has
anyone
ever
used
it
before
or
familiar
with
it?
I
know
incomes
yeah,.
B
I
Yeah
fha
is
something
that's
kind
of
come
and
gone.
It's
an
fha
program,
you
know,
and
it
is
specifically
for
rehab
it's
it's
not
something
that
we
that
we
use,
so
I'm
not
really
super
familiar
with
it.
But
when
I
identify
like
a
case
where,
where
I
think
that
it's
the
best
option
I'll,
I
know
who
to
refer
it
to
donna
king
at
union
home
mortgage.
I
B
So
the
goal
basically
is
for
buying
a
house
that
needs
the
work
right.
I
mean
that's
kind
of
the
intent
of
this.
As
I
understand
it's,
it's
for
when
a
house
is
being
purchased
but
for
it
to
appraise
and
and
be
able
to,
it
needs
a
lot
of
work.
So
it's
a
loan
that
closes
on
the
home
for
someone
and
then
also
funds.
The
work
needed
is
that
that's
is
that
what
the
program
is.
Okay,.
I
Exactly
so
yeah
the
pivotal
sort
of
difference
there
is
is
a
the
appraisal
you're
either
getting
an
appraisal
from,
as
is
for
what
you
see
or
you're,
getting
a
subject
to
appraisal,
which
includes
both
the
existing
structure
and
some
list
of
improvements,
and
that's
just
kind
of
what
marks
something.
As
like.
A
rehab
loan.
B
Got
it,
let
me
ask
paul:
well,
we've
been
while
we
got
you
talking,
I
you
know,
I
read
about
the
new
there's
like
some
fha
guideline
that
changed
that
now
gives
more
credence
to
like
rental
income.
Is
verification
is
like
a
qualification?
Can
you
do
you
know
much
about
this.
I
This
is
brand
new
yeah.
This
is
brand
new
I
just
heard
about
this
yesterday
and
that
that
it's
maybe
kind
of
coming
through
the
secondary
market
but
yeah
getting
history.
Getting
you
know,
landlords
to
report
could
eventually
help
people
qualify
for
loans,
especially
those
who
have
some
sort
of
unique
income
situation.
I
You
know
particularly
self-employed.
You
know
those
are
the
ones
that
are
so
challenged
these
days,
but
yeah.
I
think
I
I
think
that
it's
a
decent
possibility.
It's.
It
seems
hopeful
that
something
like
that
would
be
adopted,
but
it
may
be
slow,
but
yeah.
It
looks
like
it's.
A
really
really
good
conversation
and
fha
can
pave
the
way
for
secondary
market
type
stuff,
and
that
could
be
what's
happening.
B
I
Yeah,
I
think
the
conversation
that
we
we
had
a
meeting
at
the
bank
just
just
yesterday
and
the
conversation
around
it
was
to
make
sure
we're
communicating
to
every
borrower.
We
know
as
early
as
possible
that
if
they
are
renting
that
they
should
definitely
be
going
ahead
and
getting
the
report,
you
know.
A
I
Credit
reporting
associated
with
that
rental,
you
know,
and
it's
I
think,
it's
up
to
them
and
the
landlord
to
make
it
happen,
but
but
that
it
could
become
very
impactful
and
helpful,
and
you
know
I
work
with
customers,
our
borrowers,
some
of
them,
you
know,
maybe
took
an
on
track
class
two
or
three
years
ago
and
we're
you
know
we're
helping
them
this.
You
know
that's
a
hot
example,
somebody
that
I'm
working
with
now
and
you
know
that
it's
a
lot,
it's
a
long
game.
B
I
Is
you
potentially
have
a
huge
group
of
people,
the
elderly
that
would
get
behind
that
as
well,
because
some
of
them
are
able
to
pay
but
no
longer
qualify
because
of
their
income
change
in
retirement,
so
the
id?
If,
if
you've,
got
a
huge
group
of
voting,
you
know
a
huge
group
of
voters,
the
elderly,
which
always
vote
right,
and
then
you
have
also
this
affordable
idea.
You
know
you
could
get.
You
could
get
a
big
ground
swell
behind
it.
I
think
maybe
that's
what's
happening.
B
Cool
all
right.
Well,
thank
you.
Next
up
bid
on
eviction
moratorium
that
what
do
we
want
to
say
what
update
do
we
have
on
that?
I
just
know
it
explained
it
just
expired
right.
H
Yeah
and
if
I
can
ask
a
quick
question:
barry
and
paul
heathman
should
we,
since
this
is
you
know,
policy
committee?
Should
we
in
another
update
to
luigi
or
something
require
that
the
the
property
manager
or
landlord,
submit
the
rental
payment
or
or.
F
H
I
Yes,
I
love
that
good
catch
paul.
That
is
a
wonderful
addition.
It's
it's,
of
course,
a
double-edged
sword.
If
the
payment
history
is
bad,
it
can
hurt,
it
can
be
harmful,
but
but
that's
no
reason
to
limit
a
resource
for
somebody
who's
able
to
make
the
payment
consistently
good
catch.
Paul
I
mean
that's
awesome.
H
Thanks,
I
love
a
policy
and
procedure.
It
makes
our
life
easier,
but
I
want
to
I'll
think
about
that
and
if
we
bring
a
change
forward,
of
course
that
would
come
through
this
committee
because
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
If
you
know,
is
it
a
burdensome
report
or
something
like
that,
so
sorry
about
that
barry.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
out
loud
with
that.
K
H
And
the
eviction
moratorium-
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
know
the
the
covet
updates.
The
city
bg
cb,
updates
that
we
have
have
a
lot
of
resources
for
folks
if
they
are
struggling
with
rental
assistance.
So
just
that
reminder
about
the
eviction
moratorium
and
if
I
understand
correctly
the
last
time
I
checked
in
with
buncombe
county,
they
had
like
seven
million
dollars
that
was
about
a
month
ago
for
rental
assistance
that
was
still
available,
if
not
more
so,
there
is
money
on
the
table
for
rental
assistance.
B
Okay,
great
thanks
thanks
paul
next
time
on
the
list
is
projects
to
hcd.
It
sounds
like
there's
some
discussion
with
boards
and
commission,
or
it
sounds
like
when
I've
spoken
with
some
of
the
hdd
members
and
it
doesn't
sound
like
there's
much
resistance,
so
maybe
maybe
I'll
try
to
introduce
a
conversation
with
kathy
kathy
ball
this
month
about
that.
But
thanks
for
you
know
just
sharing
that
bit
with
me.
The
nod
to
the
community.
H
Yeah,
so
we
we're
just
so
funny
and
fun
and
community
development
that
we
want
to
get
out
into
the
community
once
a
month.
So
myself
and
laura
near
who's
on
our
team
are
gonna
move
our
offices
to
the
community
once
a
month
september,
14th
we'll
be
at
the
eddington
center
and
basically
we're
not
there
to
pro
talk,
we're
there
to
listen
and
be
available
to
community
members
about
resources.
H
What
we
do,
what
we
should
do,
what
we
can't
do
so
we're
gonna
start
doing
that
once
a
month
neighborhood
of
the
day
so
nod
to
the
community
and
starting
on
september
14th.
You
know,
depending
on
the
world
of
course,
with
covid,
but
we're
still
kind
of
considering
if
we
can
get
there
in
social
existence,
but
we're
just
trying
to
get
out
into
community
about
some
of
the
work.
We
do
and
maybe
get
some
great
ideas
from
the
community
about
what
we
could
do.
H
H
Out
a
cd
listserv
email
to
last
next
week
after
labor
day
to
let
everybody
know
that
we're
out
in
the
community,
okay
cool
depending
again
on
this
covety
thing,
to
figure
this
out.
It's.
B
Covedy
thing
yeah
all
right,
thanks,
I'm
just
going
to
skip,
I
mean
I'm
going
to
come
back
but
we're
obviously
we
have
13
minutes
left,
but
I'm
just
going
to
skip
real
quick
to
this
in
the
partner
event
with
lock
star.
I
know
so.
I've
met
with
matt
he's
putting
together
kind
of
like
a
panel
discussion.
I
think
margie's
gonna
be
part
of
it.
I
think
I'm
gonna
be
part
of
it
and
I
think
I'm
gonna
circle
back
with
him.
B
I
think
he
was
still
shooting
for
october
and
he
talked
about
you
know
trying
to
find
you
know
brewery
or
event
host
place
for
that,
but
I
think
every
you
know
I
think
again,
with
the
cobit
everyone's
still
a
little
shy
about
setting
up
public
meetings
where
people
gather
unless
there's
outdoor
space
so
but
I'll
circle
back
with
him
and
we'll
I'll
see.
If
that's
still
on,
I
know
he
was
still
shooting.
He
was
wanting
to
do
it
in
october
still,
but
you
know,
I
think,
there's
mixed
comfort
with
that.
B
So
we'll
we'll
circle
back
with
that.
This
developer,
like
this,
is
in
the
informal
discussion
developer
community
forum
listening
session
early
october.
What
is.
B
H
It's
basically
if
anyone
wants
to
go
to
the
community
website,
we're
basically
done.
I
shared
on
the
the
biggest
page
is
what
I
shared
in
the
chat
earlier,
that
we
put
all
the
resources
and
tools
in
one
place.
It's
a
much
more
user
friendly
website
with
good
links,
and
you
know,
access
to
information
and
resources.
We
just
have
to
finish
the
hud
tabs,
but
in
all
your
free
time
check
the
community
development
website
and
check
it
out.
H
Okay,
it's
been
very
helpful
for
developers
to
send
them
there
first
before
they
meet
with
us.
So
that's
been
really
helpful
to
the
team.
Good.
B
Good
in
the
policies
or
any
of
those
active
discussions,
you
know
anything
we
need
anything
fresh
in
that
we
should
be
discussing.
This
is
just
kind
of
the.
H
B
Okay,
yeah
there
has
been
innovations.
You
know.
I
know
we
had
that.
One
brief,
the
the
3d
printed
folks
that
are
you,
know,
couple
years
out
out
of
chapel
hill
or
durham
or
something.
But
I
you
know
I
have
read
that
there's
you
know
the
group
in
austin
has
kind
of
stepped
up
a
little
bit
and
I
think
they've
got
their
first
houses,
some
of
their
first
communities
under
construction
they're,
not
necessarily
affordable,
some
of
their
projects,
but
they've
found
and
it
looks
like
it's
been
kind
of
a
mix.
B
The
article
I
just
read
one
this
week
about
the
I
think
it's
like
vulcan.
I
think
it's
called
and
they're
3d
printing,
the
lower
levels
and
then
they're
stick
framing
traditional
constructing
the
upper
levels,
so
it's
kind
of
a
hybrid
mix,
but
it's
you
know
very,
very
interesting
and
I
like
the
idea
of
the
innovation,
so
we'll
try
to
know
as
we're.
You
know
we're
obviously
catching
up
for
two
months,
but
we
will
try
to
keep
that.
You
know
that
item
on
and
see
what
else
we
can
share.
B
So
circling
back
to
you
know
the
scaled,
affordable,
housing
rebate.
You
know,
I
think
you
know
it
seems
like
it
comes
up
more
and
more.
You
know,
I
guess
it's
what
what
are
we?
What
do
we
think
and
how?
I
guess
for
our
committee?
How
do
we
move?
How
do
we
move
this?
How
do
we
move
this
discussion
forward
more?
What
are
some
of
the
specifics
like?
Do?
We
want
to
look
at?
B
For
short,
you
know
for
a
low,
you
know
a
year
or
so
commitment
to
have
to
be
huge,
but
there
it's
some
kind
of
incentive
on
the
front
end
for
the
first
turn,
which
is
how
the
you
know,
the
city,
the
city
fee,
rebate,
program
used
to
be
based
on
first
turn
purchase
price
and
it
didn't
have
any
future
restrictions
in
it
and
it
wasn't
and
the
first
turn
price
was
set
low
enough
that
it
wasn't.
You
know
it
wasn't
used
a
lot.
B
I
think-
and
you
know
andy
habitat-
definitely
used
the
mountain
housing
used
it
years
back.
I
I
think
I
had.
I
think
I
used
it
three
times,
so
it
wasn't
an
overused
and
it
wasn't
something.
It
wasn't
something
that
cost
the
city
much
money,
because
it
was
basically
the
city
was
stamping
something
affordable
which
got
a
50
rebate
of
development
service
fees,
and
then
it
allowed
msd
and
water
to
do
rebates
of
their
perce
of
theirs
and
right
now,
msd
and
water
only
will
do
rebates
based
on
the
city's
qualification
of
afford.
B
The
city
has
to
stamp
it
and
the
city
doesn't
have
a
way
to
stamp
anything
affordable
unless
it's
got
a
20-year
commitment,
so
you
know,
I
guess
we
can
you
know
we
either
as
a
promoting,
affordable
housing.
How
is
is
this
something?
I
guess
the
big
question
is
this
something
we
want
to
discuss
or
is
this
or
do
we
really
want
to
remain
focused
on
long-term
affair
about
you
know,
affordability,
standards?
Does
anyone
have
any
you
know
we
don't
have
much
times.
B
Anyone
have
any
quick
thoughts
on
whether
we
should
pursue
this
or
whether
we
should
you
know
just
really
focus
on
long-term,
affordable
affordability,.
F
I'll
chime
in
and
kind
of,
add
to
what
I
heard
margie
say
a
little
while
ago.
I
think
the
the
long-term
commitment
is
perfectly
justified
and
acceptable
and
what
we
should
go
for
on
these
large
apartment
complexes,
but
I
think
we
should
start
thinking
about.
You
know
the
the
small,
the
small
landlords,
it's
it's
a
little.
It's
totally
a
different
model
for
those
folks
who
have
just
a
couple
of
rental
houses,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
but
feel
like
we
should.
F
We
should
continue
the
conversation
to
figure
out
how
we
could
make
it
work
with
with
that
scenario,
because
I
think
that's
a
great
untapped
market
of
of
opportunity.
We
just,
I
think
the
the
dynamics
for
for
an
individual
who
has
two
rental
houses
versus
an
apartment.
Complex,
are
significantly
different.
We
need
to
think
through
those
challenges.
H
I
could
add
it
to
the
agenda
next
month
for
new
business
very,
and
the
first
thought
that
comes
to
my
head
is
maybe
a
separate
luigi
policy,
for
you
know
two
to
ten
units
or
2
to
20
units
and
then
21
and
higher,
or
something
like
that.
We
could
y'all
could
think
about
that
and
tell
us,
and
we
could
try
to
come
up
with
some
thoughts
and
then
we
we
could
try
to
help
put
a
policy
together
on
what
that
looks
like.
B
B
Just
thinking
on
the
you
know
is
there
something
that
makes
it
even
be
two
units
because,
even
like
you
know
what
margie
brought
up
the
adu
is
like
of
the
if
someone
wanted
to
rent
build
an
adu
or
put
an
adu
on
and
rent
it
out
for
just
a
single
unit.
B
What
I
mean
luigi
might
be
a
complicated
answer
for
that,
but
maybe
a
simple
you
know
simple
tool
for
that.
I
don't
know.
I'm
gonna
look
I'll
do
a
little
bit
of
research.
What
other
cities
and
municipalities
are
doing
for
individual
landlord
incentives?
Maybe
there's
maybe
there's
something
we
can
model
it
after.
I
just
I
don't
think
there's
anything
in
the
city
currently
for
for
that.
Okay,
because
the
fee,
the
new
fee
rebate
program
that
was
adopted
recently,
I
think,
still
has
the
20-year
commitment.
B
G
Well,
that
the
feedback
program,
particularly
as
a
way
to
access
the
the
larger
msd
and
water
rebates
was,
was
huge.
You
know
that
it's
been
a
real,
you
know
it's
been
a
real
loss
to
not
have
a
streamlined
way
to
make
that
to
make
that
happen,
I
don't
know
I
was
keeping
my
mouth
shut
because
I
feel
like
we
went
round
and
round
and
round
for
a
couple
of
years
on
the
fee
rebate
to
get
where
we
are
so
not
to
not
to
rehash
over.
G
All
of
that,
but
you
know
I
think
there
is.
There
is
some
real
advantage
to
figuring
out
how
we
craft
a
set
of
incentives
for
small
property
owners.
Small
developers
to
take
advantage
of
you
know
the
same
kind
of
benefits
that
that
we're
extending
to
to
larger
developers.
You
know
it
really
is
you
know
the
bulk
of
our
rental
housing
stock
is,
you
know,
is
scattered
site
small
unit,
you
know
mom
and
pop
landlords,
and
and
the
tools
are
you
know,
the
tools
are
clunky
for
that
kind
of
situation.
G
So
if
there's,
if
there's
things
that
we
can
do,
I
was
a
part
of
putting
together
an
incentive
program
for
that
sort
of
mom-and-pop
landlord
small
unit
landlord
in
a
in
another
in
another
job,
around
maintenance
and
repair
grants
and
loans
that
were
linked
to
certain
affordability
periods.
So,
and
that
was
coming
with
the
coming
out
of
the
same.
G
Thinking
of
you
know
that
community
had
facade
improvement
grants
and
that
sort
of
thing
for
other
types
of
small
business
owners
that
weren't
being
extended
to
small
business
owners
of
you
know:
property
owners,
rental
property
managers,
and
that
you
know
that's
a
model
that
we
could
look
at.
I
mean
just
with
those
grants
and
loans
came.
You
know
a
certain
period
of
affordability,
restrictions
at
certain
levels,
so,
okay,
I'll
I'll,
dig
that
up
and
share
that.
If
I
can,
I
can
find
it.
B
Thanks
yeah
yeah:
let's,
let's
do,
let's
just
put
it,
you
know,
move
it
up
on
we'll.
Have
it
as
a
prominent
item
on
the
agenda
next
month.
We'll
do
a
little
bit
of
you
know.
Maybe
everyone
do
a
little
bit
of
homework
for
other
I'll.
Do
some
policy
searching
for
some
of
the
municipalities?
I
know,
especially
especially
around
edu
creation.
I've
seen
some
that
incentivize
that
and
then
we
can
see
yeah
what
what
where
we
can
go
from
that
but
yeah.
I
think
it
is
valid.
I
think,
to
your
important
point.
B
B
A
B
Well,
thank
you
all.
Do
we
have
any
public
comment
callers
on
the
line.
A
B
Okay,
well
great.
Well,
thank
you,
everybody
for
being
here.
Thank
you
staff!
Thank
you,
councilwoman
mosley!
We
will,
you
know
again.
We
have
our
build.
We
have
our
task
force
for
build
this
month.
Connect
will
try
to
do
it
as
well,
we'll
report
back
how
that
goes,
and
then,
if
anyone
wants
to
go
visit,
paul
and
some
staff
they'll
be
at
the
edington
center
on
september
14th
all
right.
Thank
you.
Everybody
appreciate
it
good
conversations
as
always
take
care.