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B
Okay
good
afternoon,
I'm
chair
kite,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
november
10th
2021
historic
resources.
Commission
meeting
the
hrc
is
a
quasi-judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
north
carolina
general
statutes,
the
city
of
asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
buncombe
county
ordinance.
B
And
entering
code
9384
for
those
wishing
to
give
public
comment
during
an
agenda
item,
please
call
in
and
press
star
3
to
enter
the
caller
queue.
I
will
now
ask
commission
members
to
introduce
themselves
and
to
say
a
sentence
or
two
about
their
background
or
experience
as
it
relates
to
serving
on
the
commission
on
the
commission.
C
B
G
H
Hi
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
james
vaughn.
I
have
a
master's
in
public
administration
from
harvard
university.
I've
restored
historic
homes
and
got
projects
on
the
national
register
strike
places
and
I've
served
on
a
quasi-judicial
body
with
the
california
state
bar
on
their
committee
of
bar
examiner's,
full
character,
determination.
I
B
B
Second,
second,
we
will
vote
by
roll
call
vice
chair
spring
aye,
commissioner
lazarus.
J
B
K
A
So
if
you
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
the
review
the
minutes
for
august
that
were
in
the
commissioner
packet,
if
you
look
at
page
seven
somehow
during
the
on
section
one
page,
seven,
when
the
motion
was
being
read
the
I
don't.
If
you
all
will
recall
the
application
at
240
pearson
drive,
where
part
of
the
request
was
to
install
metal
gates
between
two
stone
pillars
that
were
going
to
be
constructed
on
either
side
of
the
driveway.
A
The
the
actual
gate
got
left
out
of
the
ca
request
when
it
was
being
read
aloud
in
the
motion,
and
so
that
was
brought
to
my
attention.
So
we
just
need
to
make
that
correction.
Just
on
page
seven
section
one
to
include
language
to
install
four
foot
tall,
metal,
picket
gates
between
pillars,
matching
existing
fencing
on
the
site,
and
I
think
I
talked
to
janice
earlier
and
you
all
can
just
agree
to
amend
the
the
minutes
as
such.
Is
that
right,
janice.
K
B
B
The
hrc
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
the
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district
for
that
application.
The
hrc
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
hrc
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
B
B
L
B
Casara,
thank
you
and
carl
goodsmanson.
J
Yes,
it's
kim
miller
sitting
in
for
him.
B
See
too
I
will
read
the
read
the
oath
and
then
I
will
ask
in
each
of
you
individually
by
name
to
affirm
the
oath.
So
I
will
read
first
and
then
we'll
go
one
at
a
time.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
preliminary
subdivision
approval
before
the
historic
resources
commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
L
B
Yes,
thank
you,
michael
mcdonough,.
B
Carl
goodman,
I'm
sorry
kim
miller.
Yes,
I
do
okay
and
scott
bartholomew.
Yes,
I
do
alex.
I
do
shannon.
I
do
yes,
you're
gonna
speak
all
right.
I
think
that's
got
everybody
so
far
and
we're
going
to
move
to
the
first
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
old
business
in
montford,
historic
district
at
37
watauga
street,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
alex
for
our
report.
A
Thank
you
sure,
pipe,
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
briefly
recap
this
and
then
recap
a
little
bit
of
the
discussion
from
the
last
meeting
that
I
missed
so
and
I'll,
let
chennai
chime
and
if
there's
anything
else
that
I'm
leaving
out
from
the
discussion
last
go
around.
So
I
I
haven't,
I
didn't
include
a
ton
of
documents
in
my
slide
presentation,
but
I
have
the
you
know
the
project
folder
open.
So
at
any
point,
if
there's
anything,
anybody
wants
me
to
to
pull
up
while
we're
going
through
this.
A
A
There
are
a
couple
of
new
drawings
submitted
in
your
packet,
so
this
is
the
mr
mcdonough
submitted
some
drawings
just
to
kind
of
show
the
the
scale
of
the
structure
on
the
sides
where
it
clearly
reads
as
one
story.
It's
my
understanding
from
the
discussion
last
time
that
that
there
seemed
to
be
consensus
around
the
commission
supporting
the
the
the
redesign
of
the
structure
with
just
the
garage
appearing
as
a
basement
level
facing
the
primary
structure.
A
A
At
this
point,
so
mr
mcdonald
also
submitted
this
drawing
to
give
an
illustration
of
how,
if
the
structure
here-
that's
that's
in
the
the
where
in
the
proposed
location,
how
it
would
appear
in
the
landscape
versus
a
structure
of
the
same
height
and
massing
in
the
location
of
the
structure,
that's
shown
on
the
sanborn
map,
which
is
here
way
back
on
the
alley.
A
I
am
tempted
to
stay
fairly
neutral
on
this,
but
I
will
say
that
in
times
past
the
commission
has
kind
of-
I
wouldn't
say,
treated
this
this
the
standard
more
generally,
but
I
think
that
there
are
reasons
to
support
the
accessory
structure
going
in
the
proposed
location,
primarily
because
the
area
where
it's
being
proposed
is
like
an
area.
That's
already
been
disrupted.
A
A
I
think,
historically
speaking,
a
lot
of
the
way
that
or
many
of
these
little
one
story,
sheds
outbuildings
that
were
historic
to
the
district
were
used,
as
you
know,
either
like
a
little
small
barn
or
work
shed
or
something
that
they
could
access
with
a
you
know,
wagon
or
some
kind
of
vehicle.
A
For
for
various
reasons,
shannon
go
for
it.
O
Just
in
thinking
too,
I
having
the
benefit
of
the
the
last
month
to
think
about
this
application
a
little
bit
more,
I
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
last
month
about
hardship
and
what
is
the
hardship
with
locating
the
structure
you
know
in
that
location,
and
I
think
just
based
on
my
experience
with
board
of
adjustments
and
other
cases
where
we
look
at
hardship
extensively.
O
There
is
this
approach
to
thinking
about
these
these
properties
and
how
they
can
be
adapted
to
a
modern
lifestyle.
So,
even
even
if
this
were
just
a
simple
garden
shed,
I
think
there's
a
question
of
like
what
is
the
prac.
You
know
how
practical
is
it
for
it
to
be
located?
A
Thank
you
shannon.
I
think
you,
you
articulated
what
I
was
trying
to
say
in
a
better
way.
I
think
too,
you
know
it's
not
like
they're
proposing
to
to
the
new
structure
in
a
location
that
is
completely
out
of
character,
with
the
relationship
between
historic
accessory
structures
and
primary
structures
in
the
neighborhood.
There
are
plenty
to
be
found
that
are,
at
the
end
of
the
driveway
immediately
behind
the
house,
and
so
I
do
feel
like
the
proposed
location
is
appropriate.
So
that
being
said,
I
haven't
noticed
any
concerns.
A
The
other
thing
I
would
point
out
about
the
proposed
location
of
the
accessory
structure
where
it
is
now
is
that
it
also
will
screen
the
pool
from
view
to
some
degree,
which
I
think
is
helpful,
so
so
that
the
only
other
thing
we've
asked
for
is
a
very
minor
thing,
which
is
just
the
manufacturer
specs
for
the
mechanical
unit
whenever
those
are
ready,
which
oftentimes
that's
way
in
the
future,
for
a
project
like
this,
but
we
just
included
it
in
the
list
of
information.
A
H
Alex
my
belief
is
that
we
were
presented
with
a
property
that
had
problems
because
there
was
work
done.
That
was
not
you
know
brought
before
us
before.
The
goal
was
to
try
and
mitigate
that.
Instead
we
aggravated
it
by
adding
a
pool
and
then
to
add
insult
to
injury,
we're
putting
up
an
accessory
dwelling
to
hide
that,
rather
than
putting
it
the
structure
where
it
was
historically.
A
Okay,
I
think
I
mean
I
I
I
think
I
I
totally
understand
where
you're
coming
on
the
previous
disturbance.
I
think
it
did
help
the
application
that
they
revised
it
to
put
the
pool
in
the
location
of
area
where
it
was
previously
disturbed
and
whether
or
not
the
commission
would
have
approved
a
pool
in
that
location
in
the
first
place
is
a
little
bit
hard
to
say,
but
I
think
that
is
something
to
for
you
all
to
consider.
If
you
haven't
already.
L
N
Oh
hi,
hello,
commissioners,
thank
you
alex
and
shannon.
Yes,
I
would
like
to
just
revisit
the
two
new
drawings
alex.
If
you
could
put
up,
maybe
the
sanborn
location
side
view
drawing.
N
Yeah,
so
there
was
a
bit
of
discussion
at
the
end
of
last
meeting
about
the
appropriate
location
for
an
adu.
Commissioner
vaughn
mentioned
that
he
thought
that
it
was
being
proposed
to
hide
the
pool
it's
being
proposed
to,
for
other
reasons,
to
garage
the
cars
and
to
create
an
accessory
living
space.
N
Now
the
question
is
where's,
the
best
location
for
it,
so
in
our
previously
submitted
application
drawings,
we
proposed
a
location,
that's
roughly
in
line
with
the
adjacent
adu
and
by
the
way
that
middle
building
is
actually
the
adjacent
property
owner's
accessory
dwelling
unit
so
that
roof
line
in
the
distance
between
the
two
structures
on
the
left
and
right,
that's
the
neighbor,
neighbors
dwelling
or
accessory
dwelling,
where
we
have
proposed
it
ours
to
be,
is
very
similar
location.
N
So
it
seems
like
for
two
reasons.
One
is
because
of
the
topography
and
two
the
remoteness
of
it,
that
putting
the
structure
on
the
sandbar
map
location
would
suggest
that
this
is
no
longer
an
accessory
structure
that
it's
another
primary
structure.
It's
so
far
away
from
the
primary
structure
that
it
loses
its
accessory
status
so
and,
and
so
that
that's
the
point
of
this
drawing
alex,
if
you
can
bring
us
to
the
other,
drawing
right
before
that
one.
N
The
other
recently
submitted
this
is
this-
is
no
different
than
what
was
previously
submitted.
Other
than
the
ground
plane
is
shaded
darker,
so
we
can
focus
on
circle
back
on
the
discussion
about.
Does
this
meet
the
standards
for
one
and
a
half
story:
maximum
accessory
dwelling
accessory
structure,
so
the
previously
submitted
drawings
were
line
drawings
and
had
a
lot
more
information.
N
So
this
drawing
kind
of
got
rid
of
some
of
that
other
information
and
focus
just
on
ground,
plane
and
building
height,
and
just
to
make
the
case
that
that
by
any
measure,
building
code
or
zoning
regulations,
this
meets
the
standard
of
a
one-story
building
with
a
basement.
N
N
Drawing
thank
you
alex,
so
this
basically
just
clarifies
what
our
proposal
is,
and
you
can
still
see
the
adjacent
accessory
structure
in
the
background
and
our
proposed
accessory
structure
shifted,
maybe
six
or
eight
foot
farther
towards
the
back
of
the
property,
and
so
this
this
drawing
here
is
to
compare
to
the
previous
sanborn
map
that
shows
the
accessory
structure
towards
the
back
property
line
and
I
think
all
the
other
items
in
the
staff
report
regard
the
swimming
pool
and
it
seems
like
there's
nothing
new
like
we
need
to
talk
about
a
present
other
than
maybe
coming
through
some
of
the
details.
B
B
I
think
it
gives
me
better
comfort
in
locating
the
accessory
structure
in
your
preferred
location,
closer
to
the
primary
structure.
I
think
adding
the
massing
and
the
scale
of
the
adjacent
80
properties.
Adu
is
also
helpful
in
seeing
how
those
two
will
kind
of
relate
to
each
other
in
overall
kind
of
height
and
scale.
B
So
I
I
appreciate
that
for
sure
I,
like
that
the
sort
of
streetscape
view
there's
some
integrity
there
with
regards
to
the
topography,
the
sort
of
natural
topography
of
the
of
the
property,
even
though
farther
back
we've
got
some
disturbance
that
obviously
doesn't
that
we're
sort
of
having
to
deal
with
where
the
swimming
pool
is
but
be
interested
in
hearing
other
commissioner's
thoughts
or
concerns.
If
we,
you
know
we're
getting
ourselves
closer
to
a
place
where
we're
ready
to
make
a
motion.
D
I
am
comfortable
with
the
project
as
it
is
and
feel
like
it
aligns
with
the
standards
and,
as
you
pointed
out,
chair
kite,
the
additional
information
has
been
really
useful.
C
I
agree
that
it
was
helpful
to
do
the
exercise
of
you
know,
seeing
that
accessory
structure
back
where
the
original
was
in
this
particular
case.
I
know
the
guidelines
say
that
we
should
retain
the
original
positioning
if
there
was
a
previous
building,
but
in
this
particular
case
I
feel
like
it
is
oddly
far
away
from
the
home
and
that
I
feel
in
this
case
it
would
be
better
to
follow
the
historic
pattern
of
the
neighborhood
in
general,
rather
than
this
particular
lot,
and
in
this
neighborhood
there's.
C
H
If
you
look
at
the
location
of
the
accessory
dwellings
for-
and
I
don't
have
an
arrow
but
to
the
property,
to
the
right
to
the
upper
right
to
the
back
of
the
property,
those
three
for
this
neighborhood
all
show
them
at
the
far
back
corner
as
far
away
from
the
house.
As
this
one
is
here.
So
historically,
that's
the
pattern,
not
the
one-off,
that
the
applicant
has
been
using,
which
is
to
the
left
of
the
subject.
Property.
E
J
E
Flexibility
in
allowance
of
of
moving
it
in-
and
I
agree
with
chair
bond
a
lot
on
this,
but
I
think
in
this
case
there's
more
benefit
to
the
adu's
placement
closer
to
the
home
for
current
usage.
F
I
also
agree
the
more
I
thought
about
this
one,
and
I
know
I
made
this
comment
last
month,
but
just
the
the
topography
of
that
back
corner
and
how,
even
in
like
the
photos,
you
can
see
that
it's
starting
to
erode
pretty.
Naturally,
I
just
I
feel
like
that
alone-
makes
me
sway
way
more
towards
you
know,
being
okay
with
it
closer
to
the
house,.
D
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application,
a
new
construction
worksheet,
five
pages,
exhibit
b
project
description
and
photographs,
the
subject
property,
eight
pages,
exhibit
c
site
plan
and
floor
plans,
two
pages
exhibit
d
elevation
and
section
drawings.
Two
pages
exhibit
e
site
survey
received
august
23rd,
2021,
exhibit
f,
revised
drawings
and
plans.
Four
pages
received
august
24th
2021,
exhibit
g
additional
photographs
of
subject
property.
Nine
pages
taken
by
staff
august
25th
2021,
exhibit
h
2016
images
of
the
rear
yard.
D
Two
pages
exhibit
I
20
20
images
of
rear
yard,
two
pages
exhibit
j
window
specifications,
19
pages
received
to
september
7
2021
exhibit
k
door
specifications
29
pages
received
september
7th
2021,
exhibit
l
alternative
site
plan
received
september
9th
2021
exhibit
m
revised
plans.
Five
pages
received
september
23rd,
2021,
exhibit
n
1917
sanborn
fire
insurance
map
exhibit
o
revised
plans.
Eight
pages
received
october
19th
2021,
exhibit
p
revised
site,
rendering
received
november
10th
2021.
D
D
North
elevation
will
have
hit
roof
overhang
with
8
inch
by
8
inch
wood
support
posts
with
decking
and
tongue
groove
ceiling.
Pedestrian
entrance
on
west
elevation
will
have
hipped
roof
overhang
with
wood
brackets
windows
will
be
lincoln,
601,
sdl,
aluminum,
clad
double
hung
and
six
light.
Casement
garage
doors
will
be
eight
light.
Sdl
aluminum,
clad
french
doors
and
four
light.
Anodized
aluminum
garage
doors
will
be
custom,
wood
panel
repair,
existing
concrete
slab
between
new
accessory
structure
and
primary
structure,
remove
existing
concrete
stairway
and
replace
with
stone,
stairs
construct.
D
New
1
by
8
foot
tall
by
40
foot,
long
pebble,
dash
retaining
wall
with
three
and
a
half
foot
tall,
wood
gate
and
stone
steps
to
patio
between
accessory
structure
and
primary
structure.
Relocate
existing
section
of
wood,
fencing
adjacent
to
accessory
structure.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
the
test,
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variance,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence.
D
Two
that
the
standards
for
landscaping
and
trees
found
on
pages
40
to
41
carriage
houses,
garages
and
accessory
structures
on
pages
34-35
walkways
driveways
and
off-street
parking
on
pages,
50-51
fences
and
walls
on
pages,
36-37
lighting
on
pages,
42-43
and
utilities.
Mechanical
systems
on
pages
82
to
83
of
the
montford
historic
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
on
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9th
2019
were
used
to
approve
this
request.
D
D
F,
new
mechanical
unit
will
be
located
adjacent
to
the
accessory
structure
and
will
be
screened
for
that.
The
applica
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruence
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
montford
historic
district.
K
K
D
I
B
We
will
move
on
to
our
next
item
on
the
agenda.
I
think
michael
and
stacey
alex
will
follow
up
with
you
in
the
next
couple
of
days
or
so.
Regarding
your
ca.
A
Right.
Thank
you,
chair
kite.
A
The
application
for
this
address
is
pretty
straightforward,
so
I'm
just
gonna
go
over
a
couple
of
things.
This
house
was
constructed
in
2006.
I
know
for
many
of
you.
This
is
probably
the
first
application
you've
seen
in
st
dunstance.
We
don't
get
very
many
for
this
neighborhood,
but
so
what
we're
talking
about
today
is
just
this
little
side.
Porch,
that's
on
the
north
elevation
of
this
house.
They
want
to
enclose
it.
It's
currently
screened.
They
just
want
to
enclose
it
with
siding
and
windows
to
make
it
an
interior
living
space.
A
I
don't
I'm
not
noting
any
concern
about
approving
that
at
the
staff
level,
because
this
is
a
non-contributing
structure.
I
think
that
if
the
commission
is
comfortable
with
staff
okaying
the
fenestration
on
the
rear
elevation,
then
I'm
totally
fine
with
that,
and
then
we
can
just
accept
the
windows
specifications
as
a
condition
as
well
and
but
I'm
not
noting
any
concerns
regarding
the
request
but
happy
to
answer
questions.
If
the
commission
has
any.
B
A
E
Oh,
that's
it
sorry
that
one,
I
guess:
that's
the
east,
face
the
lower
right
hand,
corner.
A
That
is
the
north
face,
but
yeah
it's
I
mean,
I
think
it
you
know
they
could
add
fenestration
there.
I
don't
feel
very
strongly.
This
house
has
such
funky
fenestration
to
me
in
the
first
place.
It
appears
very
contemporary
to
me,
so
I
I
didn't
go
back
to
look
at
the
notes
from
approval
and
a
lot
of
times.
Our
minutes
from
back
then
were
not
very
detailed
or
helpful
to
reference
anyway.
A
So
I
did
not
know
to
concern
on
that,
but
if,
if
the
commissioners
feel
like
they
that
they
think
it
would
be
more
appropriate
to
add
windows
on
that
that
side,
we
can
certainly
talk
about
it.
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
where
you're
going
sorry,
if
I
jumped
ahead
of
me
but.
E
I
was
thinking
that
we
would
talk
about
it
later.
No,
that's
that's
all
fine,
yeah
and
and
the
windows
on
the.
If
that
was
east
and
north
and
that's
west
of
the
front
facing
windows
and
typically
when
is
it
to
match,
it
seems
like
the
historic
character
of
those
structures
on
a
main
house
had
fuller
windows,
and
I
know
that
there's
a
history
of
smaller
squares.
A
Yeah
sure
I
I
again,
I
didn't
take
a
hard
stance
on
the
fenestration
for
this
one,
since
in
the
first
place
the
fenestration
appears
more
contemporary
than
kind
of
what
we
typically
see
being
consistent
with
historic
styles
of
windows
on
houses.
I
I
think
you
know
the
other.
The
placement
of
the
other
three
placements
on
the
front
of
the
house
is
a
little
bit
unusual
to
me,
so
it
sort
of
balanced
that
out
in
a
way.
But
it's
also,
if
you
look
at
here
I'll,
pull
up
the
floor
plan.
A
If
you
pull,
if
you
look
at
the
floor
plan,
this
is
the
front
of
the
house
as
a
bathroom,
and
so
that's
why
they're
proposing
the
casement
windows
there
I'll.
Let
mr
casara
speak
to
this,
because
I
don't
know
what
the
flow
of
the
floor
plan
is
coming
into
the
space.
You
can
see
how
the
the
doors
up
here
on
the
top
right.
I
don't
know
why
you
can't
see
my
cursor,
but
maybe
you
can
see
it
over
here
it.
A
A
Let
him
just
speak
to
how
you
know
what
the
flow
is
like
coming
from
the
rest
of
the
house
into
the
space,
but,
as
you
can
see
from
the
floor
plan
here
too
that
they
want
to
do
the
bed
and
the
bat
and
the
bathtub
on
that
side,
where
they're
proposing
no
windows
so
that,
hence
the
reasoning
for
that.
A
So
in
any
case
I
I
don't
know
that
I
can
like
really
speak
to
that
anymore
without
knowing
if
they
could
change
the
interior
programming.
So
I'll,
let
I'll
let
john
address
that.
But
if
you
have
you
guys
have
other
questions.
I'm
happy.
C
To
answer
alex,
I've
got
a
question.
Hopefully
you
can
clarify
in
the
north
elevation
drawing
the
proposed
north
elevation
in
the
the
peak
of
the
gable
there.
Where
that
there's
the
two
white
triangles.
C
Do
you
know
if
that
is
like
a
different
type
of
sighting,
or
this
the
same.
M
I
could
jump
in
if
you
want
yes
well,
I
answered
both
questions
on
the
the
front,
the
approach
view
we
were
going
to
do
those
24
by
24
inch
windows
to
match
the
other
24
by
24
inch
windows
and
yes,
as
alex,
said
it's
mostly
just
because
of
the
view
being
a
bathroom.
You
know
you
wanted
it.
At
least
you
know
kind
of
shoulder
above
kind
of
a
thing,
not
a
full
kind
of
a
body
view
being
in
the
bathroom.
They
went
ahead
and
decided
to
go
a
little
bit
bigger.
M
I
have
those
specs
alex,
I'm
sorry
that
you
didn't
get
them
in
time,
but
I
sent
them
to
you.
They
are
20
29
wide
by
36
high,
so
they're
going
to
be
a
little
bit
bigger
than
the
24
by
24.
It
can
be
a
little
bit
more
rectangular,
so
kind
of
in
the
middle.
In
a
way
both
of
those
are
going
to
be.
You
know
clad
windows.
M
The
match
is
the
other
style,
nothing
funky
and
then
back
to
your
question,
emily
on
the
side
view
there,
the
left
end
view
we
are
trying
to
get
the
they
currently
have
a
gable
from
the
screened
in
porch,
and
so
they
want
to
kind
of
keep
that
light.
So
we're
going
to
get
fixed
glass
to
go
in
there,
so
it'll
give
them
that
light,
but
also
with
the
bedroom
and
all
that
it'll
also
give
them
the
privacy
from
the
street.
I
should
show
you
a
site
plan,
but
the
site
plan.
M
They
have
a
pet
cemetery
over
there
too
on
that
side.
So
it's
not
like
the
you
know.
I
don't
know
unless
you
like
pet
cemetery
growing
up,
but
yeah
has
that
beauty,
but
also
like
there's
not
really
much
of
a
view,
the
back
side.
That's
where
the
view
is
so
it
would.
M
I
I
think
appropriately
it's
it's
position
right
to
have
the
bigger
windows
on
that
back
view.
You
know,
because
you
face
the
you
know
a
lot
of
the
landscape
and
topography,
you're,
really
high
and
so
forth.
So
that's
why
they
wanted
to
put
the
bedroom
in
the
front.
I
mean
the
bathroom
in
the
front
and
then
the
bigger
windows
and
bedroom
in
the
back.
B
B
You
can
see
folks
the
there's
some
other
additional
photographs
in
the
application
packet.
That's
in
our
photo
folder
that
show
some
interiors
of
that
screen,
porch
that
show
what
the
doors
look
like
right
there,
as
well
as
what's
kind
of
in
the
gable
end
already.
M
As
far
as
I
know,
there's
a
little
you
know,
the
easement
of
course
is
right
there
and
I
don't
think,
there's
any
lots.
I
haven't
looked
at
the
gis,
but
I
believe
that's
all
restricted
but
alex
or
somebody
else
could
probably
know
better.
A
I'll
just
say,
commissioner
hornaday
I
it
might
take
me
a
minute
to
look
it
just
when
you
pull
up
the
property
card,
it's
owned
by
the
episcopal
church,
and
it
just
says:
land
use,
code,
cemeteries,
burial,
but
and
they're,
not
any
links
to
the
deed
directly
out
of
the
of
the
property
card.
So
it'll
probably
take
me
a
little
bit
to
find
it.
But
it
looks
like
that's
what
it's.
E
A
C
Does
anyone
have
thoughts
on
the
glass
in
the
gables
or
are
we
thinking
that's
not
a
concern
because
it's
non-contributing
building
and
because
it's
got
a
more
modern
look
already?
No.
E
I
agree
with
you
emily
on
our
commissioner
spring
on
that
it
because
of
the
bracketing
on
the
entrance
and
the
bracketing
that
exists
on
the
picture
we
just
looked
at
their.
E
There
could
be
a
feature
there
that
makes
up
for
that
big
blank
wall.
That
is
a
big
blank
wall
that
you
see
and
we'll
see
in
perpetua.
E
Until
this
pet
cemetery
goes
away,
which
no
time
soon,
it's
a
big
blank
wall,
and
I
don't
think
glass
does
the
same
as
sort
of
an
architectural
structural
solution
that
I
don't
have
is
that,
where
you're
headed.
C
Yeah,
I
was
just
I
guess
I
was
concerned
about
the
appropriateness
of
the
large
expanse
of
glass
up
in
the
up
in
the
eaves
or
up
in
the
gable.
C
Just
I
don't
know
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
you'd
really
see
anything
else
like
that
in
the
neighborhood
that
I
can
think
of
off,
the
top
of
my
head,
like
a
standard
fenestration,
would
would
seem
more
more
common.
M
You
know
I
I'll
just
throw
a
cot
in
here
not
to
hopefully
I
didn't
interrupt
you,
but
we
did
talk
about
because
vaulting
the
interior
space,
and
so
if
we
did
that
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
do
at
the
bathroom,
because
you
gotta
have
a
wall
right.
So
we
did
talk
about
centering
a
window
in
the
center
of
that
gable,
whether
it's
a
octagon
or
a
circle,
or
something
like
that
in
the
center,
and
that
is
a
definite
option
that
they
would
be
open
to.
And
it
might
look
better.
E
I
think
that
might
be
heading
in
the
wrong
direction,
but
I'm
not
an
architect
but
to
put
an
octagon
or
circle.
C
I
mean
from
from
a
simply
design
standpoint,
and
you
know,
as
an
interior
designer,
I
think
what
you've
come
up
with
would
would
be
very
nice
looking,
but
as
far
as
you
know,
fitting
in
with
what's
already
there
in
the
neighborhood
I
I
do
have
some
concern
about
the
glass
triangle.
A
I
I
just
want
to
ask
john
a
question:
do
you
think
that
if
there's
space,
to
put
it,
looks
like
if
you're
looking
at
the
floor
plan,
there's
room
to
if
you're,
looking
at
the
like
the
the
northeast
corner,
like
on
the
right-hand
side
of
the
bed,
if
you
were
facing
the
bed
standing
in
the
room,
there's
room
for
at
least
like
a
keys,
nut
window
or
maybe
like
a
narrow,
double
hung
kind
of
like?
What's
on
the
you
know,
on
the
rear
elevation,
but
you
can
see
of
that.
M
P
A
Finishing
the
gable
end
with
with
siding.
M
Yeah,
I
think
that
could
be
an
option
or
I
was
even
thinking
of
two
rectangular
awnings
kind
of
above
the
bed,
so
one
kind
of
in
the
shower.
You
know
right
there
on
that
side
and
then
a
matching
one
on
the
left,
which
would
be
above
the
bedroom
awning,
meaning
that
you
know
opens
from
the
bottom.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
a
more
traditional
kind
of
punched
opening,
rather
than
sort
of
the
glazing
in
that
gable
end,
is
probably
more
consistent.
I
think
it's
it's
certainly
more
consistent
with
the
house,
because
the
main
portion
of
the
house
has
a
hitch
roof.
B
M
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
might
be
helpful.
There
might
be,
might
help
us
understand
better,
what's
happening
in
the
back.
M
Can
you
see
that
picture
okay?
So
that's
the
rear
elevation
and
you
see
the
screened-in
portrait
there
to
the
right,
and
so
what
we're
gonna
do
is
we're
basically
gonna
mirror
that
square
in
the
middle
and
we're
gonna
sandwich
it
between
those
two
kind
of
double
hungs,
so
you're
going
to
have
a
30
by
60
on
each
side
and
then
you're
going
to
have
the
60
by
60
window
right
in
the
center
over
there.
M
B
B
A
Yes,
I'd
be
totally
fine
with
it.
I
think
again,
because
this
is
a
newer
construction
building
and
knowing
what
the
plan
is
for
the
rear
elevation.
That
was
helpful,
john,
because
I
think
you
guys
can
probably
pretty
easily
visualize
that
and
then
maybe
just
adding
a
window
or
two
to
that
north
elevation
in
the
where
we
talked
about
and
finishing
the
gable
with
siding.
A
E
A
B
Sounds
like
john
articulated,
a
change
in
the
size
of
those
windows,
but
nothing
about
the
placement
of
those
and.
B
E
M
A
John,
were
you
able
to?
I
know
I
sent
you
a
comment
about
the
lifestyle
line
from
oh
gosh.
I've
now
forgotten,
which
window
manufacturer.
M
Yeah
george,
with
the
pillow
yeah,
so.
M
C
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
project,
description
and
photographs,
eight
pages
exhibit
b
floor
plans
and
elevation
drawings.
Four
pages
exhibit
c
windows,
specifications
received
november
10th,
2021,
exhibit
d
photograph
of
rear
elevation
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one
that
the
application
is
to
convert
existing
screened
porch
on
north
elevation
to
an
interior
living
space,
siding
material
trim,
roofing,
material
and
windows
will
match
existing.
C
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence.
Two
that
the
standards
for
non-contributing
structures
found
on
pages
62-63
in
the
saint
dunstan's
historic
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
september
12
2012
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
C
I
K
I
C
Based
upon
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
therein,
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions.
One
revised
elevation
drawings
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval.
Two
cloud
windows
specifications
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval.
E
K
K
I
B
Myself
I
as
well
that
motion
also
carries
john.
I
think
alex
will
follow
up
with
you
the
next
couple
of
days
and
we.
P
B
Move
to
the
next
item
of
business,
this
is
also
new
business,
we're
moving
back
to
the
montford
historic
district
to
61
pearson
drive,
and
I
will
turn
it
to
alex.
Thank.
A
You
jericho,
this
one
is
also
a
pretty
straightforward
request:
oops
skipping
ahead.
Sorry,
the
request
is
for
some
window
and
door
modifications
on
this
existing
structure
on
pearson
drive.
A
They
want
to
the
these
three
are
window
swaps
and
then
so
this
window
is
being
moved
here,
this
window
being
moved
here.
This
green
circle
is
a
non
original,
vinyl
window
or
aluminum.
I
can't
remember
what
kind
of
window
it
was
noted
as
and
the
plans,
but
it's
not
original
to
the
structure,
and
then
the
blue
circle
is
excuse
me
an
existing
door
opening
on
the
south
elevation
of
the
sunroof
and
it's
not
also
not
an
original
door
opening.
A
So
the
proposal
is
to
enclose
this
opening
with
siding
and
then
install
a
new,
a
new
door
on
the
rear,
where
the
the
lower
red
circle
is
in
that
existing
well,
not
within
the
existing
opening,
but
in
the
existing
location
of
that
window
opening.
A
So
I
didn't
include
very
much
in
the
in
the
presentation
because
I
feel
like
it's
almost
more
confusing.
At
least
it
was
for
me
to
kind
of
move
through
the
photographs,
but
I
can
certainly
pull
up
any
of
that
or
the
I
think
I'm
meant
to
include
elevations
in
here,
and
I
just
didn't.
But
essentially
here
is
the
current
rear
elevation,
and
this
is
the
proposed
carl
and
I
went
back
and
forth
a
few
times
about
the
doors
and
I'm
not
sure
we
landed
in
a
particular
place.
A
My
name
is
this
house
has
some
craftsman
elements,
including
like
the
low
pitched
roof
and
the
three
over
one
double
hung
windows
and
my
thought
was
perhaps
this
multi-light
door
was
not
necessarily
the
best
choice
for
this
style
of
of
house
that
I
suggested
just
a
single
light
door
would
probably
be
a
better
option
without
the
dividers
in
it.
So
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
carl
and
I
are
on
the
same
page
about
that,
because
I
don't
think
we
ever
landed
in
a
space,
he
did
send
me
a
salvage
store.
A
That,
I
did
also
say,
I
didn't
think,
was
the
right
style
for
this
house
too,
but
I'll,
let
carl
chime
in
on
door
choice
in
a
moment,
and
then
these
are
just.
This
is
just
a
drawing
of
the
south
side
elevation
where
this
is
the
existing
non-original
door,
that's
being
removed
and
then
covered
with
siding,
and
I
think,
there's
photographs
of
the
other
side.
J
A
A
This
is
the
location
of
where
the
door
will
go
photos
of
the
the
location
of
where
the
this
this
will
become
a
casement
window
and
this
door
will
go
away.
A
So
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
it
was
almost
more
confusing
to
me
when
I
was
trying
to
look
at
it
through
the
lens
of
the
photos
so
easier
for
me
to
understand,
looking
at
the
floor
plan
but
happy
to
go
back
and
forth
as
needed,
and
hopefully
I
didn't
confuse
you
more.
But
if
you
have
other
questions,
let
me
know.
A
Relocating
to
existing
windows-
yes,
so
the
green
over
here
is
the
aluminum
window.
This
window,
that
was
the
double
hung
on
the
back
of
the
house,
will
go
here.
This
is
a
casement
window,
that's
original
that
will
go
in
that
location
and
then
they'll
be
siding.
You
know
to
enclose
the
opening
and
then
this
opening
will
go
away
entirely
and
then
there'll
be
a
new
door
installed
in
the
location
of
where
this
casement
window
was.
A
B
Okay
kim,
is
there
anything
else
that
you'd
like
for
us
to
consider.
G
No,
I
appreciate
your
time
today
and
just
to
let
you
know
on
that
back
door.
We
are
amenable
to
whatever
is
befitting
the
style
of
the
house.
B
Okay,
we'll
close
the
floor
for
public
comment.
Commissioners,
any
other
comments,
questions
conversation.
C
I
think
pretty
self-explanatory
and
I
would
be,
I
would
say,
it's
probably
fine-
to
approve
with
maybe
a
condition
that
staff
approve
whatever
door.
They
end
up,
selecting
or
help
help
guide
them
with
selecting
the
new
door.
E
With
the
exception
of
green
type
on
white
paper,
I
find
nothing
wrong
with
the
application.
C
Shall
I
make
a
motion
sounds
like
it,
madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Three
pages
exhibit
b
floor
plan
and
elevation
drawings.
Five
pages
exhibit
c
photographs.
Four
pages
exhibit
d
door
specifications
four
pages
exhibit
e.
Is
there
an
exhibit
e.
C
Okay
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one,
that
the
application
is
to
relocate
existing
four
light.
Casement
window
from
rear
elevation
to
existing
window.
Opening
on
rear
elevation,
install
new.
C
Approved
design,
wood
door
in
location
of
four
light
window,
opening
replace
non-original
aluminum
window
on
north
elevation,
with
existing
four
over
one
wood
window
from
rear
elevation,
remove
non-original
door
and
south
elevation
and
enclosed
door
opening
with
wood
shake
siding,
matching
existing
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence.
C
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
a
windows
and
doors
being
modified
are
on
rear
or
non-character.
Defining
elevations
of
the
structure,
b,
windows
and
doors
being
removed
are
not
original
to
the
structure.
See
existing
original
windows
are
being
reused.
C
B
We'll
vote
by
roll
call
vice
chair
spring
commissioner
lazarus.
I
commissioner
hornaday
hi,
commissioner
gardner
aye,
commissioner
oliva.
I
commissioner
falcon.
K
I
C
K
I
J
F
L
B
It
went
by
thank
you,
okay,
all
right.
Well,
that
concludes
the
hearing
for
61
pearson
drive
kim.
I
think
alex
will
follow
up
with
you
in
the
next
couple
of
days
and
we
will
move
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda.
Also
new
business
in
montford
at
43
elizabeth
place,
and
I
will
turn
the
floor
over
to
alex.
A
Thank
you,
chair
kite.
This
is
an
application
for
new
construction
on
and
a
vacant
lot
on
on
elizabeth
place.
It's
about
one
four
acre
vacant
parcel
almost
and
it's
really
in
the
same
vicinity
as
the
more
recent
new
construction
project.
A
We
reviewed
on
elizabeth
place,
similar
lot
size
and
constraints,
so
I
organized
my
slides
in
kind
of
a
weird
way,
so
I'm
going
to
jump
around
a
little
bit,
but
just
to
orient
you,
here's
the
site
plan
elizabeth
place
on
the
bottom
structure
here
some
parking
here
and
then
reed
creek
is
back
here.
So
there's
a
stream
buffer
along
the
rear
of
this
property,
and
you
can
see
it
here
on
the
parcel
map
that
it's
located
nearby
to
elizabeth
street,
and
this
is
broadway
back
here
and
this.
A
So
streetscape
rendering
just
to
go
through
these
a
little
bit
quickly,
and
then
we
can
talk
through
the
details,
elevation
drawings
here.
So
probably
the
bulk
of
my
my
staff
report
is
related
to
concerns
about
the
overall
design
of
the
project.
A
Scott
bartholomew
is
here
with
us
as
the
project
architect,
and
I
have
relayed
all
of
my
concerns
to
him.
We
talked
about
some
of
the
things
during
our
pre-op
meeting,
but
then
also
in
a
follow-up
email.
I
noted
to
him
all
of
the
the
the
details
of
my
concerns.
A
So
really
I
I
think
we,
this
is
kind
of
where
we
started
with
the
other
one
on
elizabeth
place,
in
a
way
where
I
I
was
having
some
hang
up
about
the
overall
design
reading,
clearly
as
a
specific
architectural
style,
I
think
with
some
tweaking
this
one
has
potential
to
kind
of
be
this
like
like
a
version
of
a
queen
anne,
but
I
think
in
part,
if
you
look
at
the
front
elevation,
the
proportion
of
windows
is
a
little
bit
funky
in
terms
of
how
they
not
only
relate
to
one
another,
but
also
what
might
be
traditional
to
a
queen.
A
Anne
style
structure,
I
think
also
the
shed
roof
overhang
as
a
front.
Entryway
is
not
really
successful
in
uniting
the
design
style,
and
I
think
the
brackets
are
also
pretty
unusual
in
terms
of
being
consistent
with
this
architectural
style
and
also
with
the
double
brackets.
I'm
not
sure
I've
ever
seen
that
before
and
then
the
other
note
I
had
about
the
front
elevation
specifically
was
related
to
the
transom
windows
or
the
windows.
A
I
I
think
the
right
elevation.
I
think
that
the
punching
of
the
casement
windows
could
also
use
some
tweaking.
I
mean
I
think
we
see
you
know
plenty
of
casement
windows,
a
case
in
point
being
the
house
and
st
dunstance.
We
were
just
looking
at,
but
perhaps
maybe
one
of
those
becomes
a
double
hung
just
so
that
that
is
broken
up
a
little
bit
and
not
just
the
kind
of
this
straight
straight
line
of
casement
windows,
the
rear
elevation
at
first.
A
I
was
a
little
bit
confused
by
it
in
terms
of
the
the
way
that
the
the
rear
portion
comes
out,
but
essentially
there's
a
first
there.
The
first
floor
has
a
screen
porch
scott,
I'm
going
to
meet
you
while
I'm
talking
about
so.
A
A
If
you
can
see
where
the
two
arrows
lead
to
it's,
because
essentially
it
creates
kind
of
this
carport
with
the
with
the
way
that
the
house
extends
out
over
over
that.
I'm
not
necessarily
noting
a
concern
about
that.
It's
just
something
that
I
haven't
seen
before.
I
think
because
it's
on
the
rear
elevation,
it's
it's
doable,
but
I
think
it
definitely
needs.
Overall,
the
design
needs
some
tweaking
to
more
clearly
read
as
an
architectural
style.
A
I
let's
see
what
else
did
I
know.
I
noted
to
scott
that
there
I
had
to
have
some
concerns
about
the
materials
proposed
in
the
in
the
prop
in
the
first
packet,
or
this
is
really
like
what
they're
asking
it
from
you
all
as
for
kind
of
a
preliminary
feedback
on
the
application,
but
they
included
vinyl
windows,
which
is
not
the
commission
has
never
approved
the
the
siding
should
also
be
smooth
versus
textured
and
they're,
proposing
staggered
at
shake
which,
in.
J
A
A
As
far
as
the
site
plan
is
proposed,
I
know
that
they
have
a
tight
space.
This
is
again
very
similar
to
the
other
elizabeth
place
project.
We
looked
at
so
I'm
kind
of
open
to
obviously
what
the
commission's
feedback
is
here,
but
I
did
note,
as
I
did
in
the
other
application,
that
there
is
a
pretty
large
amount
of
hardscaping.
A
I
think
that
at
the
very
least
they
should
be
have
at
least
some
softening.
I
know
that
the
driveway
is
kind
of
right.
It's
going
to
be
right
up
against
the
house
right,
but
perhaps
the
paving
could
be
moved
out
a
little
bit.
It
certainly
looks
like
they're
this,
this
portion
of
what
will
be
like
the
carport.
A
If
you
will,
it
will
be
wide
enough
to
have
narrow
that
air
area
paving
a
little
bit
and
add
some
landscaping
in
there
to
soften
it,
and
perhaps
the
pervious
favor
is
more
appropriate
back
here
than
just
the
whole
thing
being
concrete,
because
it
has
such
a
large
swath
of
hardscaping
for
a
lot
this
this
small.
So
in
any
case
those
are,
I
think,
all
of
my
notes
to
you
all
but
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
B
B
B
P
L
B
Thank
you
correctly:
okay,
scott
or
lenora
or
mike.
Is
there
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
add
to
alex's
report
for
the
benefit
of
the
commissioners.
B
We'll
do
we'll
do
one
more
we'll
do
one
more
swearing
in
and
we'll
pick
up
gary
there
too.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
before
the
historic
resources
commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
Gary.
B
Okay,
thank
you
sorry
about
that.
We
weren't
on
video.
I
couldn't
see
who
was
here
all
right
again,
scott
or
any
of
the
other
applicants.
Is
there
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
add
to.
A
R
Yes,
I
would
like
to
clarify
a
couple
things.
Thank
you
to
start
with.
Thank
you
for
having
me
and
all
of
us.
We
look
forward
to
going
through
this
process
with
you
all.
It
is
true
what
alex
said.
We
really
are
here
on
a
preliminary
basis.
R
We
would
like
to
we're
looking
to
get
general
massing
overall,
intense
of
what
we're
doing
on
the
property,
as
well
as
the
house
itself,
and
dealing
with
details
later
we
we
did
not
provide
a
full
submittal,
and
so
therefore,
we
weren't
really
expecting
to
walk
away
in
any
way
with
a
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
R
A
couple
things
just
to
sort
of
follow
up
with
and
clarify
the
particularly
blurrier.
Maybe
it's
me
what
we're
looking
at
is
a
as
far
as
coming
off
the
road
is
the
driveway
down
this
lot
slopes
rather
significantly
from
front
to
back
in
the
first
30
feet
of
the
lot,
and
then
it
rather
levels
off
down
beyond
that
point.
R
So
our
drive
actually
drops
from
the
road
down
significantly,
which
we
could
we,
we
did
see
on
those
side
elevations
and
then
we're
basically
using
an
extension
of
the
house.
Yes,
as
a
carport
effectively
due
to
that
stream
buffer
in
the
back,
we
have
a
very
limited
front
to
back
dimension
to
fit
those
cars
in
and
get
them
turned
around
and
get
them
back
out.
So
that's
a
lot
of
what
really
was
driving
some
of
this
plan
as
it's
proposed
here.
R
Yes,
the
drive
is
concrete,
but
only
basically
to
the
back
edge
of
the
lower
level,
which
is
in
here
stippled
with
the
hatching.
Once
we
got
to
the
motor
court,
we
were
actually
thinking
about
some
moving
more
to
a
the
traditional
gravel
of
of
montford
area.
The
so
just
you
know,
sort
of
some
clarifications.
R
R
If
you
guys
are
familiar
they're,
building
that
apartment,
complex
or
apartment
building,
right
on
the
other
side
of
the
creek
here
they
restored
the
creek,
but
they
are
not
done
and
they
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
with
regard
to
re-vegetating,
both
banks
of
the
creek
and-
and
I
think,
they're
probably
have
some
buffering
to
go
in
as
well
and
as
opposed
to
planning
a
landscape
plan
without
knowing
what's
back
there,
I
just
decided
to
punt
and
say:
look
I
don't
we.
R
It
doesn't
really
make
sense
to
move
forward
with
anything
back
there,
so
you'll
notice,
all
of
the
landscaping
is
just
left
off
of
the
back
of
the
house
at
this
point.
That
is
not
the
ultimate
intention,
that's
just
where
we
are
at
the
moment
in
this.
In
this
preliminary
design,
phase.
R
P
Q
You
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
are
very
excited
about
being
coming
to
asheville
into
mumford
and
the
lenoir,
and
I
were
married
in
black
mountain
and
montreat
and
we
met
over
there
and
we
have
lots
of
friends
in
the
area
and
and
then
we've
spent
some
time
in
montford
at
some
airbnb's
there.
So
we
really
walked
around
the
neighborhood
and
have
fallen
in
love
with
it,
and
you
know,
love
these
houses
and
hope
we
can
build
something
that
really
fits.
P
R
Alex
would
you
mind
bringing
up
the
elevations
again.
R
The
intent
of
this
overall
design
was
not
one
to
actually
pick
a
historical,
historically
defined
style.
This
was
what
I
consider
so
prevalent
in
montford,
as
well
as
throughout
asheville,
but
very
much
so
in
montford,
when
we
got
to
the
20s
and
30s
of
the
1920s
and
30s
styles
became
very
hybridized
and
that's
where
this
com
concept
is
coming.
R
I
don't
know
that
I
could
ever
really
there's
an
aspect
to
this
lot
that
doesn't
it
doesn't.
Allow
me
in
my
mind,
to
create
a
queen
in
here,
because
I
don't
have
that
rambling
front
croissant
we're
we're
limited
by
about
28
feet.
Here
is
all
that
we
can
deal
with.
So
I
don't
have
a
wide
front.
R
Porch
I've
actually
tried
some
different
entry,
roofs
over
that
front
porch
on
my
drawing
board,
and
they
did
not
work
just
due
to
it
and
a
lot
of
again
as
it
comes
back
to
the
size.
My
l
shape
my
cross
gable.
Here,
it's
obviously
very,
very
narrow.
I
don't
get
a
lot
of
wing
on
that
side
of
the
house.
R
So
anyway,
just
as
far
as
that
goes
obviously
as
I've
kept
a
very
a
very
strict
window
pattern
on
the
front,
but
it's
definitely
broken
down
and
more
driven
by
the
interior
aspects
of
the
home
as
we
move
around
the
sides
and
back
and
so,
but
one
thing
I
did
want
to
clarify
as
well:
is
there
a
there
actually
are
no
casement
windows
on
here?
This
is
these
are
double
hung.
R
Two
over
two
is
the
is
what
we,
what
is
here,
it
might
read
as
a
four
light
casement,
but
it's
really
a
double
hung.
Two
over
two
is
what's
being
proposed
as
far
as
the
detailing,
as
I
was
saying,
this
is
again
something
that's
preliminary.
We're
trying
to
get
our
general
masses
in
place.
R
Some
of
the
bracketry,
some
of
the
eve
details
are
again
this
hybridized
concept,
but
ultimately,
what
I've
got
is
a
stucco
foundation
and
lower
level
and
then
two
stories
of
lap
signing
with
a
shingle
in
the
gable
and
some
of
the
something.
Also
to
note
that
I
did
not
told
the
rands
about
this
being.
This
is
preliminary.
I've
asked
for
some
things
that
I
knew
were
pushing
the
envelope,
though
I
don't
know
that
we
really
even
want
to
do
them
the
vinyl
windows.
R
I
wasn't
sure
the
I
actually
had
asphalt,
driveway,
which
I
found
in
the
guidelines,
was
prohibited.
So
I
changed
that
out,
but
I
had
actually
pushed
a
couple
of
things.
The
staggered
shingles
some
things
like
that
that
they
weren't
meant
to
be
sort
of
they
were
just
really
intended
to
push
the
envelope
a
little
bit.
See
where
see.
R
If,
if
you
give
me
that
you'll
probably
give
me
straight
shingles,
if
you
give
me
an
asphalt,
driveway
you'll
definitely
give
me
a
concrete
driveway
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so
anyway,
just
to
sort
of
give
you
a
sense
of
where
we
are
in
our
intentions
here,
the
only
other
one.
I
guess
I
would
like
you
to
bring
up
alex,
I
think,
is
my
not
the
streetscape,
but
there
was
a
perspective
on
probably
the
last
page
of
the
drawings
I
sent
you.
R
There
we
go
yeah,
so
this
is
sort
of
really
giving
us
a
sense
of
the
general
massing
of
this
house
more
so
than
the
straight
on
elevations,
as
alex
was
saying,
it's
really
hard
to
kind
of
see.
What's
going
on
in
the
back,
and
I
didn't
shoot
a
perspective
from
the
back,
I
guess
partly
because
it's
outside
of
mantra
for
dirt
jurisdiction,
but
but
really
the
intent,
is
to
sort
of
get
a
sense
of
what's
going
on
here,
there's
a
couple
things
that
are
a
little
bastardized
by
my
computer
cad
program.
R
What
I've
got
up
at
the
upper
level
is
a
shingle
flare
that
is
being
broken
by
those
transom
windows
there
on
that
front
master
bedroom
in
the
upper
level.
It's
showing
a
lot
of
of
a
lot
more
detail
there
than
that
would
actually
be
there.
It
would
really
be
just
a
shingle
flare
with
a
broken
detail
and
I
would
love
to
present
some
maybe
some
photographs
of
some
there's
there's
a
detail.
I've
got
in
my
mind,
that
is
from
the
from
this.
R
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
from
monfer,
but
I
know
it's
from
asheville.
That
is
how
that
actually
works,
and
why-
and
it's
in
my
consideration
is
rather
appropriate
when
again
in
this
hybridized,
where
you
know
we're
breaking
from
the
traditional
way
and
and
but
using
similar
motifs
similar
materials
and
that
kind
of
thing
our
overall
color
scheme
as
well
is.
It
is
very
intended
to
be
very
earth
tones
natural
materials
earth
tones,
we're
doing
we're
working
toward
a
very
dark
window,
a
sort
of
a
muted,
green,
green
gray.
R
R
One
is
actually
closer
than
the
15
foot
setback,
the
other
one's,
pretty
much
right
on
15
feet
and
and
we're
gonna
we're
intending
that
our
front
porch
is
also
right
on
15
feet,
so
we're
really
in
line
on
the
front
there,
but
our
overall
scope.
I
I
changed
out
the
sky
on
this.
There's
actually
a
whole
lot
of
power
lines
right
through
there,
but
in
taking
a
panoramic
shot,
those
power
lines
got
really
weird,
looking
and
very
distracting.
E
E
It's
kind
I
would
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
of
a
welcoming
up
sort
of
a
porch
neighborhood
setting
as
staff
mentioned
instead
of
the
entry
pad
kind
of
porching.
That's
there.
I
think
the
overall
upper
level
looks
nice
and
that
I
agree
with
staff
on
that
row
of
punch
out.
E
Casements
is
a
little
out
of
the
window
patterns
in
the
neighborhood.
Even
like
the
last
property
we
looked
at
on
pearson.
There
was
a
range
of
windows
on
that
side
that
were
various
sizes.
It's
similar
to
this,
but
just
with
a
range
of
windows
that
were
all
scaled,
a
little
more
proportionately
to
the
space.
E
So
the
porch
windows
on
the
I
guess-
that's
the
north
elevation
south
elevation
and
those
are
some
of
my
off
the
top
of
following
the
standards-
would
be
nice
to
get
closer
to
that
and
I'll
bolt
off.
B
I'm
to
pause
for
just
a
quick
minute
if
we
don't
have
any
real
direct
questions
for
the
applicant
to
open
the
floor
for
public
comment.
B
Okay,
we'll
close
the
floor
for
public
comment
and
continue
on
with
some
discussion
and
feedback.
I
think
for
the
applicant,
which
is
scott.
I
appreciate
you
clarifying
that.
That's
really.
The
intention
of
today's
presentation
is
to
to
give
you
all
some
feedback
and
some
guidance
on
how
to
continue
to
develop
the
project.
B
You
know
in
a
direction
that
is
in
alignment
with
the
guideline
or
the
standards
for
the
district.
So
I
you
know
from
my
perspective,
I
think,
alex
I
think
it
and
scott
both
it's.
It's
helpful
to
a
little
bit
put
it
into
a
context
of
some
kind
of
an
architectural
language
we've
talked
about
queen
anne.
I
think
that
there
might
be
some
elements
of
that
that
could
help
as
you
continue
to
develop
and
study
the
window
placements.
B
You
know
that
sort
of
strong
delineation
between
floor
levels,
obviously
in
the
the
really
grand
queen
anne's
that
do
tend
to
ramble
and
have
a
much
broader
footprint,
there's
a
lot
of
strong
porch
lines
on
that
first
level
that
help
to
articulate
the
two
floors.
B
I
do
think
there's
not
a
lot
of
precedent
for
kind
of
breaking
that
that
line
where
you've
delineated,
that
sort
of
shingle
flare
there
most
of
the
windows
on
queen
anne's
are
pretty
well
lined
up
along
kind
of
a
ribbon
around
each
floor
level
with
a
moment
or
two
of
something
that
really
departs
from
that
rhythm.
B
You
know
you
can
see
some
evidence
in
some
of
the
grander
queen
ends
of
of
of
differently
shaped
windows
that
sort
of
interrupt
that
kind
of
a
ribbon
there.
I
do
think
that,
certainly,
you
know
replicating
a
historic
queen.
B
Anne
is
really
not
what
we're
recommending
or
not
what
we're
suggesting
necessarily,
but
there
might
be
some
things
that
help
to
give
some
order
to
how
the
windows
are
articulated
and
how
the
how
the
color
transition
happens
on
the
house
and
how
the
change
of
materials
and
other
things
might
be
able
to
happen
there.
I
think
those
might
be
things
as
I
look
at
the
windows
that
might
be
helpful,
that
that
do
start
to
pull
themselves
from
a
queen
anne
kind
of
a
language.
B
L
A
I
think
there
are
probably
some
really
good
examples
of
like
very
simplified,
like
projects
where
they're
trying
to
accomplish
the
same
thing:
scott
and
like
a
narrow
lot,
where
they
didn't
have
a
lot
of
room
to
wrap
a
porch
necessarily
but
maybe
carried
it
all
the
way
across
the
front.
You
know
just
some
more
simplified
version
of
that,
and
I
think
there
are
two
things
that
I
just
want
to
add
to
the
commission
that
I
left
out
of
my
notes.
When
I
was
going
through
them
is
I
did.
A
K
A
Historically,
typically
applied
to
like
the
body
versus
trim
and
those
sorts
of
things,
so
if
any
of
you
find
that
helpful,
that's
in
the
section
pertaining
to
the
the
neighborhood
description
where
that
that
outlines
architectural
styles
that
were
found
historically
in
the
district.
A
The
other
thing
not,
I
don't
want
to
go
to
beer,
you
guys
off
course
or
anything,
but
I
just
wanted
to
know
before
since
I
left
this
out,
but
I
did
know
that
this
the
front
walkway
is
pretty
wide.
It
takes
up
a
fair
amount
of
space
here.
I
think
when
I
measured
it
out,
it
was-
and
maybe
I
measured
it
incorrectly
scott,
but
it
it
was
five
and
a
half
feet
wide.
A
So,
just
to
know
kind
of
I
meant
to
include
that
in
my
notes
on
the
hardscaping,
but
just
that
I
think
that
front
yard
could
use
some
work
in
terms
of
minimizing
the
amount
of
painting
in
that
area
too.
And
those
are
my
only
other
two
notes
and
I'll
be
quiet,
and
let
you
guys
continue
your
discussion.
C
Hey
alex,
would
you
mind
putting
back
up
the
elevations
thanks?
I
wanted
to
address
overall
massing
of
the
structure
and
a
concern
I
have
about
the
the
carport
on
the
lower
level.
C
So
looking
like
from
the
side
elevations,
it
seems
to
me
that
having
a
little
bit
more
solid,
a
little
bit
more
filled
space
down,
there
would
help
the
structure
seem
more
grounded.
I
kind
of
feel
like
the
back.
End
is
floating,
which
I
mean
technically
it
kind
of
is,
but
I
just
I
don't
think
that's
something
that
I've
really
seen
unless
one
of
the
other
commissioners
can
correct
me
in
montford
is
sort
of
this
carport
underneath
and
house.
C
You
know
on
piers
above
it
has
more
of
a
florida
type
feel
or
a
coastal
feel.
C
So
I
would
maybe
suggest
if
you
really
want
to
keep
it
open,
doing
like
a
a
broader
type
of
stone
column
or
something
to
give
it
a
little
bit
more
grounding
a
little
bit
more
support
down
there
or
maybe
enclose
the
portion
that
is
beneath
the
the
closed
parts
of
the
house.
R
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
comment,
one
of
the
alex,
if
you
could
pull
up
the
lower
level
floor
plan
I
I
agree.
I
think
it
does
need
some
mass
down
there.
I
think
there's
more.
R
I've
actually
got
sort
of
sections
of
wall
between
the
cars,
as
opposed
to
just
again
that
florida
column,
kind
of
idea
or
post
a
house
on
stilts.
Let's
see
it
was
the
one
with
the
rendering
on
it.
That's
the
one,
as
you
can
see
here
as
I
was
verifying
getting
a
car
in
and
out
we're
actually
to
do
what
we
need
to
do.
R
We're
actually
parking
beyond
into
the
setback
on
the
right
side
of
this
drawing
and
then
pulling
back
out
to
get
out.
So
it's
hard
for
me
to
enclose
the
two
sides
of
this,
but
I
do
agree.
I'd
love
to
yes,
add
some
mass
to
those
to
those
supports
in
between,
and
maybe
some
stone
columns
out
there
on
the
end,
what
we're
seeing
is
just
one
car.
R
The
other
car
goes
in
the
next
big
page
north
on
this,
but
it
was
a
study
to
verify
that
I
can
actually
turn
cars
in
and
out
of
there
on
less
than
three
point
you
know
or
on
on
three
points
or
less
as
opposed
to
multiple.
R
So
it's
definitely
just
a
very
challenging
lot
to
get
cars
in
and
out
on
on
and
off
the
property,
partly
due
to
this
stream
setback
that
we
can't
drive
on
and
so
we're
we're
really
limited
on
on
our
backup
area
there
as
well
so
anyway,
but
I
do
appreciate
it.
I
I
I'll
take
it
to
heart
as
we
proceed.
A
I
do
want
to
just
clarify
for
the
commission
that
I
understand
that
many
that
many
we
we
talk
about
parking
all
the
time
which
I
can
appreciate
off
street
parking,
the
desire
for
that.
But
they
are
not
required
to
provide
any
parking
at
this
location
because
they're
within
a
mile
of
the
central
business
district.
So
just
a
note
on
that
for
clarification
on
what
is
required
by
the
udo
standards.
A
Yes
and
they
had
porches
on
all
three
levels
so
to
emily's
point
or
commissioner
springs
point.
It
was
finished
on
the
ground
floor
and
that
it
had
it
with
just
had
an
open
porch
extending
off
of
the
living
space
on
that
level.
G
I
just
have
a
couple
comments
when
I
think
of
queen
anne,
I
think
of
kind
of
a
busy
building,
with
kind
of
a
lot
of
contrast
in
some
ways
a
tower
and
a
turret,
which
I
understand
is
not
here,
but
you
know
there's
just
sort
of
it.
Has
this
this
personality
of
busy
kind
of
going
on.
So
I
think
in
the
in
the
windows,
if
there
was
just
a
little
more
activity
of
and
contrast
might
might
help
as
well.
A
I
would
just
say
too,
for,
for
you
know
just
having
been
liaison
to
the
commission
for
as
many
years
as
I
have
now
scott.
I
can
totally
appreciate
your
you
know
working
towards
the
vernacular,
because
certainly
there
are
plenty
of
vernacular
houses
and
and
most
historic
districts
wherever
you
go,
and
there
are
plenty
of
great
examples
in
montford.
I
think
the
trickier
thing
is,
I
think,
first
of
all
can
be
harder
to
achieve
than
than
you
know,
reading
more
straightforwardly
as
an
architectural
style.
A
But
one
thing
I
can
like
kind
of
have
carried
over
from
my
predecessor,
stacy
merton,
was
that
you
know,
most
importantly,
is
to
kind
of
pick
a
style
that
reads
more
like
the
strongest
kind
of
features
and
then
make
sure
to
not
add
contemporary
features,
because
that's
very
typical
of
how
architecture
is
designed
today-
and
I
don't
think
it
is
as
is-
is
compatible
with
the
historic
district
in
the
way
that
the
mafia
standards
require,
because
they're
very,
very
specific.
A
So
but
you
know
that
being
said,
I'm
certainly
not
trying
to
like
discourage
creativity
or
or
whatever
ideas
you
all
come
up
with
my
point
about
the
simplified
queen
ann
is.
I
was
just
kind
of
like
going
around
a
little
bit
in
street
view
and
I
could
see
at
least
one
new
construction
project
it
looked
like
it
was
on
the
corner
of
of
starnes
and
elizabeth
place.
A
That
would
have
a
wraparound
porch
but
kind
of
similar
form
to
this.
As
far
as
the
front
elevation
just
kind
of
like
a
two-bay,
you
know
more
simplified
and
maybe
if
you
could
carry
the
porch
across
the
front,
that
would
help
a
you
know
a
good
deal
in
terms
of
it.
Reading
more
as
a
momford
style
structure,
I
mean
obviously
there's
a
house
next
door
that
just
has
a
little
simplified
roof
form
over
the
entryway,
so
that's
certainly
bound
to.
But
you
know,
wider
porches
are
definitely
more
prevalent.
A
A
I
don't
know
if
maybe
maybe
I
could
share
that
with
scott
offline
of
the
meeting
to
just
as
an
example
of
something
that
was
recently
approved,
or
perhaps
the
one
that
was
on
courtland
and
the
one
that
you
all
recently
approved
on
elizabeth
place.
Just
so
you
can
scott
see
some
examples.
If
that's
helpful
to
you.
B
Well,
the
cumberland
circle
was
another
one
of
those
kind
of
really
challenging
sites,
with
lots
of
really
strong
topography
that
certainly
influenced
the
proportions
of
the
house
and
how
the
parking
related
and
things
like
that.
I
think
that's.
We
certainly
see
that
all
over
asheville,
but
that
was
another
one
that
I
remember
talking
quite
a
bit
about
the
the
topography
and
the
and
how
it
was
influencing
kind
of
how
the
house
you
know
worked
out,
but.
C
So,
regarding
the
the
conversation
that
is
going
been
going
on
about
the
front
porch
I'll,
I
understand
the
the
constraint.
You
know
the
spatial
constraint
that
they're
working
with
and
although
it
would
be
nice
to
have
that
you
know
bigger
front
porch,
I
wouldn't
call
what's
drawn
uncharacteristic
of
the
neighborhood,
because
you
know
you
do
see
homes
with
with
you
know
smaller
entries
also
to
the
to
the
character
of
the
home.
I
think
going
towards
the
more
eclectic
vernacular
type
style.
C
C
So
I
guess
to
sum
up
what
I'm
saying
is
I
like
the
direction
that
you're
going
with
the
style?
I
think
also
the
variation
that
you
have
in
your
roof
lines
also
helps
it
kind
of
lean
a
little
bit
towards
that
queen
in
type
of
feel.
D
My
I
am
agreeing
with
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
have
been
coming
through.
I,
like
the
eclectic
vernacular
with
a
queen
anne
slant.
I
like
the
idea
of
some
recent
approvals
to
me
the
biggest
thing
that
glares
on
the
plans
as
they
are,
and
what
I
would
like
to
give
comment
on
is
just
the
general
pattern
of
the
fenestration
and
I
think,
alex
brought
that
up
at
the
very
beginning,
especially
with
all
those
smaller
windows
on
the
south
side.
D
But
that
to
me
is
the
biggest
glaring,
like
claxion,
of
of
how
it
doesn't
really
echo
the
montford
feel
as
having
sort
of
less
of
a
harmony
with
the
fenestration
pattern,
and
I
know
that
that
is
been
discussed.
I'm
bringing
it
up
because
I
think
it's
important.
H
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicants.
These
windows
that
we're
talking
about
what
are
those
rooms
is:
is
the
windows
being
driven
by
the
function
of
the
rooms.
R
Yes,
as
far
as
the
windows,
sides
and
rear
were
more
driven
by
the
interior
aspects
of
them,
and
if
we
look
on
the
main
level
here
on
the
left
side
of
this
page,
those
those
high
windows,
two
of
them
are
in
the
kitchen
above
the
cabinets.
Two
of
them
are
in
the
dining
room
again.
The
idea
is
this:
this
house
is
12
feet
away
from
the
neighbor's
house
as
well
the
neighbor's
house
right
on
their
six
foot
setback,
as
is
this
one.
R
So
the
idea
was,
you
know
we
really
don't
really
want
to
just
look
right
in
their
windows
and
vice
versa,
so
some
high
windows
to
bring
in
what
what
we
can
with
southern
light,
when
there's
a
house
12
feet
away,
just
really
to
bring
in
some
natural
light.
But,
yes,
it
was
absolutely
being
driven
by
the
interior
spaces,
a
little
further
down,
there's
one
more
of
those
small
windows
and
that
one's
in
that
shower
right
there
in
that
bathroom
next
to
the
stairwell.
R
B
Scott
or
or
any
of
the
other
applicants
do
you
have
other
questions
of
things
that
specific
to
you
know
getting
the
feedback
that
you're
seeking
that
will
allow
you
to
sort
of
help.
The
project
progress
is
just
anything
that
we've
not
addressed.
That
you'd
like
us
to.
R
I
don't
have
anything
further.
I
feel
like
I've
kind
of
I'm
walking
away
with
what
I
was
looking
for
out
of
this
meeting.
You
know
I
I
feel
like
at
this
point:
there's
there's
no
real
hang-ups
of
the
overall
concept
of
the
site
of
the
the
house
itself.
R
We're
mostly
talking
about
details,
window
sizes,
window
patterns,
entry
element,
things
like
that,
and
so
I
think
you
know
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
pleased.
Let
me
just
put
it
that
way
with
where
we
are
at
this
point
today
and
I
don't
know
that
I
have
any
real
questions
as
far
as
or
any
you
know
further
needs.
On
my
end,
I
look
forward
to
getting
back
in
front
of
you
guys
shortly.
P
I
think
we're
we're
good
as
well,
and
you
know
happy
for
the
feedback
appreciate
the
feedback,
and
so
I
think
we
don't
have
any
other
questions
either.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
procedurally,
the
next
step
would
be
for
you
to
request
a
continuance.
A
A
If
you
want
to
just
well,
you
we
can
just
put,
you
can
just
request
today
a
continuance
to
the
december
meeting
and
then,
if
you
need
more
time,
we'll
just
request
a
continuance
on
your
behalf.
At
the
december
meeting
to
january,
let's.
B
Awesome,
I
guess
we
need
to
entertain
a
motion
to
that
effect.
B
As
well,
that
motion
carries,
and
that
alex
concludes
all
of
our
public
hearings
for
certificates
of
appropriateness
on
the
agenda.
I
think
we
have
a
couple
of
other
items
that
we
need
to
go
over,
alex.
A
R
A
Thanks,
okay,
thanks
trick
height,
so
I'm
sure
that
some
of
you
probably
saw
this
funky
thing
in
the
folder
that
is
titled
shippo
programmatic
agreement.
A
So,
just
to
give
you
all
a
little
bit
of
context,
if
there
are
those
in
the
group
that
aren't
familiar
with
section
106
review,
it
is
a
subsection
of
the
national
historic
preservation
act
that
requires
that
whenever
there's
a
federal
undertaking
or
any
project
that
is
utilizing
federal
funding
that
there
be
a
review
process
to
to
document
whether
any
historic
resources
will
be
impacted
adversely-
and
if
so,
can
they
be
can
can
we
avoid
those
impacts
or
can
we
figure
out
mitigation
strategies?
A
So
this
is
like
mostly,
we
think
of
like
the
I-26
improvement
right.
So,
like
we're
we're,
what
do
we
call?
It
janice
we're
a
like
a
partner
of
this
moa
with
the
shippo
and
the
neighborhood
association
and
preservation
society
in
terms
of
giving
comments
to
the
ncdot
and
the
shipa
regarding
the
effects
of
that
project.
A
So
that's
like
kind
of
on
a
big
scale
at
a
at
a
more
localized
level,
where
we
typically
interact
with
that
or
where
we
most
commonly
interact
with
section
106
review
is
when
hud
funding
is
being
utilized
so
like
for.
For
our
programs,
we
have
a
community
development
block
grant
program.
A
We
have
a
home
program
continuum,
continuum
of
care,
so
these
are
most
often
like
really
small
rehabilitation
projects
on
individual
houses
where
they
need
window
replacement
or
siding
repair
or
roof
replacement,
and
so
without
a
programmatic
agreement
in
place,
those
that
have
to
go
from
our
community
development
division
to
the
shippo
which
takes
them
up.
You
know
they're
very
busy,
so
it
oftentimes
has
this
huge
lag
time
by
the
time
they
are
able
to
get
back
with
our
community
development
staff.
In
terms
of
saying,
yay
or
nay,
this
looks
okay.
A
So
in
years
past
we
had
a
programmatic
agreement
in
place
with
the
shippo,
where
the
city's
historic
preservation
planner
could
act
in
place
of
the
shippo
essentially,
and
so
the
community
development
staff
would
send
us
the
their
like
information
about
the
property
address
and
the
scope
of
work,
and
then
we
would
review
it
to
make
sure
that
it's
consistent
with
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
and
then
give
our
comments
to
them
and
sign
off,
and
so
that
is
what
this
programmatic
agreement
is
about.
A
We,
our
community
development
staff,
have
sent
the
letters
we're
required
to
send
letters
to
a
whole
bunch
of
people,
including,
I
think,
there's
four
tribes,
that
we
have
to
get
comment
from,
as
well
as
the
advisory
council
on
historic
preservation
and
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
people.
Cc'd.
On
that,
the
the
letter
that
that
went
out,
which
emily
is
one
in
preservation,
society
and
then
a
bunch
of
internal
staff,
so
we're
really
excited
to
hopefully
get
this
finalized
and
signed
up
soon.
A
So
as
part
of
our
process,
we're
just
presenting
it
to
you
to
you
all
for
any
comments
and
questions
that
you
have,
but
for
the
most
part,
it
kind
of
works
like
our
minor
work
review,
where
we're
not
issuing
a
ca.
But
we
are
giving
comment
to
our
community
development
or
giving
final
sign
off
to
them
on
these.
These
rehabilitation
projects,
when,
when
hud
funding,
is
being
utilized.
A
E
A
A
J
A
J
J
Because
we
are
dealing
with
a
hud
regulation,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
all
the
approvals
that
we
need.
So
we
would
make
a
motion
to
do
that.
Yes,
I
think
so
just
emotion
and
again
you're
acting
in
your
advisory
capacity.
So
it's
not
the
quasi-judicial
anymore,
so
you
sounded
a
little
familiar
with
what
this
is
gail.
So
if
you
want
to
make
the
motion
to
approve
and
authorize
the
chair
to
sign.
I
I
B
K
B
L
J
A
Would
just
like
to
add,
for
you
guys,
is
that
we've
had
a
vacant
county
seat
open
for
a
while
now
we're
technically,
but
with
our
within
our
clg,
required
it's
not
supposed
to
exceed
60
days
with
vacant
seats,
and
it's
definitely
been
way
longer
than
that,
and
I
understand
pandemic
kind
of
shifts
things
around
and
makes
everything
weirder
and
people
less
available
or
whatever.
A
B
B
For
a
long
time,
we've
been
looking
for
someone
with
maybe
some
restoration,
carpentry
experience
that
might
be
a
nice
we've
had
that
we've
had
folks
that
have
filled
that
role
in
the
past
on
the
commission
and
it's
been
valuable
in
terms
of
detailing
and
techniques
for
for
some
of
the
work
that
we
review
yeah,
taking
anyone
with
any
sort
of
experience
that
historic
stuff
might
be.
Okay
at.
A
This
point
I
reached
out
to
jessie
landau.
You
know
I
do
that
one
frequently
when
we
have
vacancies-
and
she
said
you
know
it's
a
challenge
for
them
to
fill
their
vacancies
as
well,
and
I
didn't
realize
that
she
probably
thought
I
was
trying
to
poach
him,
but
michael
logan
of
logan
restoration.
I
tried
to
recruit
him,
but
not
realizing.
He
also
serves
on
the
psabc
board,
but
but
they're
definitely
and
I've
reached
out
to
a
few
architects,
but
I
can.
A
A
We
love
to
have
a
landscape
architect
or
you
know
it's
just
helpful
to
have
a
variety
of
backgrounds
and
experiences,
and
but
I
appreciate
you
know
all
of
your
dedication,
of
course,
and
just
if
you
can
network
on
this
at
all
great,
if
not
that's,
okay,
but
kind
of
getting
a
little
bit
desperate
here
since
it's
been
so.
I
Long,
the
asheville
homebuilders
association-
they
have
a
lot
to
do
with
our
board
of
realtors,
so
maybe
I
can
try
to
get
the
info
out
to
them.
I
B
We've
had
a
couple
of
folks
that
I
think
it's
we,
you
know,
we
filled
it
a
couple
times
the
seat
a
couple
of
times
and
folks
have
had
just
you
know
too
much
on
their
plate
and
haven't
been
able
to
stick
around
for
a
whole
term.
So.