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C
All
right,
that's
my
cue!
Thank
you
everybody
for
being
here
today.
My
name
is
Amy
Smith
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission,
for
our
Novia
November
meeting,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
We
will
kick
it
off
with
introductions.
So
again,
my
name
is
Amy
Smith
I'm,
a
chair
and
I'll
just
call
around
in
the
order.
I
have
people
on
the
screen,
but
starting
with
Dawn.
E
F
C
Thank
you,
Karen.
C
A
B
Thank
you,
Nancy
hi,
Nancy,
watford's,
stormwater
supervisor,
with
development
services
and
staff
liaison
to
urban
forestry
Commission.
C
C
City,
thank
you
and
I
believe
our
Bales
is
probably
here
for
alternative
compliance,
but
I
see
Teresa
Rogerson.
L
Hello,
Theresa
Rogerson,
ecological
Landscape,
designer
ecology,
by
Design.
M
C
Thank
you
and
now,
of
course,
I
can't
remember
your
first
name.
It
says
D
Lloyd
but
I,
know
I,
know
it's
right
there
on
the
tip
of
my
tongue.
Sorry,
if
you
could
introduce.
J
C
Good
afternoon
Mark
Metheny.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I
hadn't
met
you
before,
so
thank
you
for
introducing
yourself.
Okay,
don't
miss
anybody,
I
think!
That's
it
all
right,
so,
first
order
of
business
to
call
them
into
order.
We
need
to
prove
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting,
so
everybody
got
a
chance
to
review
those
I
just
need
a
motion
and
a
second
so.
G
D
C
I
I'm
all
abstain,
I
was
absent.
Lessons.
G
C
A
Touch
the
page
in
case
anybody
joined
no
callers
on
the
line
at
this
time,
we'll
check
again
during
alternative
compliance.
C
All
right
sure
did
you
have
a
question.
F
Yeah
did
we
get
an
email
that
do
we
read
our
emails
when
on
public
comment,
because
I
got
an
email
from
someone
that
said
that
they
were
going
to
send
it
for
a
public
comment
that
they
had
to
work
and
couldn't
do
it
today?
They.
C
F
I
thought
it
was,
she
was
advised
to
do
it
that
way.
I
thought
she
had
done
it.
That's
why
I
raised
my
hand
to
ask
okay.
C
Yeah,
and
so
if
that
gets
done
for
next
month,
we'll
we'll
read
it
in
to
the
minute
son,
okay,.
F
C
You,
okay,
okay,
was
there
another
hand
Patrick.
G
F
F
Yeah
she
talked
to
me
by
phone
and
wanted
to
know
the
process
so,
but
evidently
she
just
probably
thought
sending
an
email
to
all
of
us.
So
if
you
didn't
get
a
copy
of
that,
then
I
can
forward
it
to
you.
A
And
if,
if
all
of
the
commission
received
it
Amy,
if
you'd
like
to
read
it
aloud
during
this
time,
there's
certainly
nothing
that
would
not
allow
that.
C
C
It
says:
Dear
members
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
I
am
a
passionate
Community
member
who
has
witnessed
the
loss
of
countless
old
growth
trees
within
a
half
mile
of
my
front
door
on
Riverview
Drive
in
West,
Asheville
I
volunteer
my
time
with
initiatives
and
organizations
that
promote
tree
preservation
and
planting,
but
those
efforts
are
a
drop
in
the
bucket
of
what's
needed
to
protect
our
existing
tree
canopy
that
happens
to
be
on
private
property,
while
a
great
accomplishment.
The
new
tree,
canopy
protection.
Amendment
applies
only
to
new
development.
C
I
am
writing
to
urge
you
to
help
protect
trees
on
existing
private
property
and
in
bold
it
ought
to
cost
money
and
require
a
permit
to
remove
100
plus
year
old
trees
on
private
property
and
Bolding.
What
is
stopping
Ash?
What
is
stopping
Asheville
from
enacting
an
ordinance
or
policy
to
protect
trees
on
private
property?
There
are
currently
zero
protections.
Take
this
example
from
up
the
road
from
me:
eight
mature
Oaks
brought
down
to
build
a
parking
lot,
no
permit
pulled
yet
no
timeline
of
when
it
will
be
built.
C
This
is
at
a
church
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
it's
heartbreaking
and
will
have
impacts
on
our
local
climate,
resiliency
and
wildlife
habitat,
and
she
included
a
photo
of
the
tree.
Removal
at
the
church,
I've
attached,
a
wonderful
presentation
from
a
UNCA
student
and
mikola
fellow
on
a
benefit
assessment
of
Asheville's
Heritage
trees,
30
inch,
diameter
at
breast
height
or
more
in
good
or
Fair
shape.
The
benefits
of
protecting
our
mature
trees
are
many,
as
you
know,
and
Asheville
Tree
City
USA
has
much
room
to
improve
on
protecting
our
old
growth
trees.
C
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
Sophie
Mullinax,
so
that's
been
read
into
public
comment.
When
we
can
discuss
it,
we
have
actually
several
items
in
the
agenda
where
those
suggestions
will
be
appropriate
to
discuss.
Okay.
So
next
on
the
agenda,
we
have
are
alternative
compliance,
so
are
we
starting
with?
Sadly,
and
do
we
have
someone
from
the
city
walking
us
through
that
I.
B
All
right
and
the
designers
and
such
the
representatives
can
can
help
chime
in
whenever
they
feel,
but
in
most
of
the
UFC
have
seen
this
before.
This
is
a
alternative
compliance
board,
3046
East
Stanley
Drive,
where
they
are
requesting
or
replanting
remedy,
to
a
violation
from.
B
2022
and
with
the
permit
that
was
applied
for
in
May,
and
so
they
are
requesting
an
alternative
to
replant
the
slope
with
70,
large,
maturing
trees,
40
or
70,
large
or
70,
shrubs,
40
trees
and
36
or
26,
which
are
large
maturing
variety
and
14
of
small
material
variety.
B
So
this
came
in
a
little
update
from
so
that
you
can
see
the
undergrowth
that's
already
growing
up,
and
then
these
are
the
locations
of
the
pictures.
So.
B
B
Came
back
and
updated
the
plan
based
on
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
at
the
last
meeting,
with
removing
the
hemlocks
and
reducing
the
number
of
dogwoods
showing
the
provided
some
of
the
existing
canopy
on
the
planting
plan
and
then
added
some
of
some
additional
Oaks
have
been
added
back
to
the
plan
and
showed
where
some
of
the
existing
Poplar
and
mabels
and
locusts
and
white
pine
seedlings
exist
already
on
the
site.
B
So
that
feels
that
the
overall
mixture
and
number
of
planting
would
be
sufficient
to
correct
the
violation
include
enclosure
of
the
case,
the
planting
sizes
for
the
large
maturing,
the
Met
to
two
inch
caliper
requirements,
small
maturing
trees,
one
excaliper
where
they're
required
one
and
a
half
inch
by
the
UDF
staff
generally
recommends
the
appraisal
and
with
the
CH
and
the
changes
provided
within
the
revised
landscape
plan.
L
Up
so
I
appreciate
the
proposed
approval
and
I
appreciate
that
you
didn't
know
exactly
how
much
shade
was
already
on
that
site
and
my
apologies
for
not
showing
that
and
that's
why
the
kind
of
the
vertical
stripes
there
to
show
how
much
canopy
there
there
is
and
also
showing
the
existing
oak
tree.
That's
still
there
in
the
yard
and
as
said
in
my
letter,
I
I
appreciate
the
comments
made
from
from
Sharon
and
from
Mark,
especially
about
that.
L
We
can't
just
that
we
have
to
to
go
with
what
the
site
is
showing
now,
which
is
there's
some
open
area.
So
you
need
to
put
sun,
loving,
Hillside,
holding
root,
pushing
species
in
there
and
so
frankly,
I'm
delighted
that
those
native
species
got
brought
up
like
the
New
Jersey
tea,
the
ceanopus
Americana
and
the
Marella.
The
Bayberry
I'm
just
glad
that
this
committee
brought
those
species
up
because
I'm
a
fan
of
native
plants
and
so
yeah.
That's
that's
all
I.
Think
I
have
to
say
on
that.
Thank
you.
F
I
think
it's
much
better
I
think
it'll
hold
the
soil
better
than
the
previous
and
I'm
concerned,
as
you
probably
know
that
you're
going
to
need
a
regular
maintenance
person
on
there
to
what
I
call
sort
the
week
from
the
chaff
in
there,
so
that
you
don't
have
one
big
mess
and
that
everything
you
plant
is
going
to
do.
What
you
wanted
to
do
so
I
would
say.
Regular
maintenance
is
probably
going
to
be
your
key
to
getting
this
established.
F
So
it
looks
like
you've
got
delineation
between
what's
coming
up
what
you
don't
want
and
what
you
plant,
and
so
thank
you
for
those
changes
but
I
think
it's
a
good
change
personally.
C
Real
quick
I
saw
that
Cecil
Bothwell
joined
us
so
Cecil.
If
you
want
to
just
quickly
say
hi.
N
C
The
revision
were
there
any
other
questions
from
the
commission.
If
not,
we
can
move
forward
with
a
motion
in
a
second
unless
there
are
comments
or
questions
foreign.
F
I
make
a
motion
that
we
accept.
The
revised
plan
is
printed.
C
G
C
F
C
F
C
B
The
description
is
a
request
to
modify
the
street
requirement
for
all
the
street
frontages,
the
three
Street
record,
Being
west,
south
and
east
of
the
property
currently
developed
and
occupied
by
a
senior,
affordable,
housing,
complex
and
subject
to
recent
Renovations
of
the
application.
The
landscape
requirements
were
triggered
as
part
of
a
renovation
project
hitting
the
substantial
threshold
for
substantial
Improvement
of
the
seven
exceeding
75
percent
of
the
building
value,
which
is
that
triggered
the
landscape
requirements.
B
The
landscape
standard
would
have
required
on
the
respective
Road
frontages,
there's
115
feet
of
Frontage
on
O'henry.
That
would
require
three
majoring
trees,
215
approximately
on
Battle
battery
Square
requiring
sit
during
large
Centurion
trees
and
then
157
feet
of
Frontage
along
Page
Avenue
requiring
four
maturing
trees
and
then
they've
request
to
modify
the
street
requirement
for
all
the
three
three
Street
tree
frontages,
due
for
the
existing
to
basically
to
maintain
and
keep
the
existing
vegetation
and
the
existing
trees
in
place.
B
For
the
the
battery
Square
Apartments-
and
this
is
where
the
little
star
is
looking
back
at
the
building
at
Battle
square
and
I-
think
that
is
Page
Avenue,
Oh,
Henry
Avenue.
B
And
then
this
shows
some
of
the
existing
conflicts
that
they
have
with
this
parking
and
loading
area,
and
then
there's
also
some
utilities
overhead
in
this
location
of
for
this
I,
don't
know
in
the
in
the
Striped
space
around
that
no
called
out
number
four
in
that
area
along
Page
Avenue.
B
B
So
the
request
is
to
keep
as
currently
it
as
in
place
in
the
downtown
historic
district
and
limit
the
site
work
is
was
scheduled
to
that
is
scheduled
to
be
performed,
there's
large,
existing
access,
easement
along
Page,
Avenue
and
then
over
Utilities
in
the
same
location
that
run
in
conflict
with
some
of
the
street
tree
plantings,
and
then
staff
recommends
approval
for
the
reduction
due
to
several
factors
being
limited
planting
spacing
between
the
existing
trees,
limiting
width
of
the
planting
yard.
B
Current
sidewalk
will
remain
unmodified
as
part
of
the
level
one
site
plan
review
and
the
applicant
is
Seeking
a
separate
modification
for
the
existing
driveway,
that's
handled
by
Transportation
so,
and
the
street
training
pattern
would
be
interrupted
by
a
number
of
those
additions
of
one
or
more
trees.
Within
the
front.
Edge
staff
was
unable
to
find
evidence
of
an
earlier
modification
of
planting
requirements
issued
by
City
staff.
B
M
Don't
believe
it
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
additional
information
to
add
outside
of
the
we
want
to
reiterate.
We,
we
definitely
are
going
to
maintain
all
the
existing
Trees
and
Landscaping
that
are
there
now
we
would
obviously
clean
up
and-
and
you
know,
make
sure,
everything's
healthy
and
and
properly
watered
and
cared
for
as
we
work
through
the
renovation
and
after
the
renovation.
M
C
All
right,
thank
you
so
questions
and
comments
from
commission
members,
starting
with
Ed.
I
Yeah,
are
there
any
exterior
Renovations
going
on
with
the
building.
M
Just
some
minor
roof
repair
work
and
some
minor
masonry
work
on
some
of
the
masonry
up
high
on
the
building
around
the
rear
side.
There's
some
some
issue
on
one
of
the
chimneys
with
the
masonry
and
there's
some
issue
around
some
of
the
existences
with
with
some
of
the
masonry.
So
those
will
be
the
repairs
that
would
be
limited
on
the
exterior
of
the
actual
building
itself.
M
I
You
think
tree
protection
might
be
appropriate,
given
the
fact
that
there
might
be
traffic.
You
know
in
inside
the
planting
strips
to
for
to
do
that.
Maintenance.
M
C
F
Sharon
yeah
to
Ed's
Point
dumpsters
in
the
back.
Are
you
going
to
have
trucks
pulling
up
and
unloading
equipment
in
the
front?
Is
everything
coming
through
the
back.
M
Everything
would
be
at
the
back
right
now
would
be
the
plan.
That's
where
the
the
level,
the
majority
of
our
work
of
the
heavy
work
that's
going
to
require
equipment
is
in
the
basement
of
this
building,
which
is
more
accessible
from
the
back
side
of
the
building
than
it
would
be.
The
front
side
of
the
building.
Yeah.
M
And
then
on,
on
top
of
that,
just
to
add,
as
you
all
may
be
aware
of
a
few
years
back,
there
was
a
paver
patio
project
that
was
done
at
the
front
entrance
of
this
thing
and
we
don't
want
to
put
any
equipment
or
anything
that's
going
to
damage
that
that
paver
patio
that's
there
either.
C
Hi
don.
D
M
Not
necessarily
for
this
project,
no
we've,
we've
toyed
with
it
on
some
other
projects,
but
it
was
not
something
that
was
was
discussed
or
brought
up
for
this
project.
C
Anything
else
done:
yeah
I
would
like
to
chime
in
that
I
think
in
this
case
it's
appropriate
to
not
try
to
you
know,
tear
out
those
existing
trees
that
are
there
so
I
think
you
know.
As
far
as
that
goes
it's
a
good
plan.
If
you
know,
obviously
careful
consideration
is
given
to
tree
protection
and
you
know
looking
at
the
site
I
just
you
know,
I,
don't
see
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
enhance
that
you
know
so
down
the
line
as
trees
decline,
replacing
them
appropriately,
but
other
than
that
I.
I
Yeah
I
I
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
this
request
on
the
condition
that
appropriate
tree
protection
is
provided
in
in
the
planning
of
the
renovation.
G
C
N
C
Hi
Karen
hi
and
I
vote
I,
so
the
proposed
alternative
passes
and
we
appreciate
again
the
applicants
and
the
Consultants
giving
us
information
here
today
and
if
you
have
any
questions
on
tree
protection
and
mitigation
be
in
touch
we're
here
to
help
as
well.
M
Perfect
that
was
going
to
be
my
next
question.
Was
it?
Was
there
any
standard
that
you
had
for
tree
protection
so
we'll
as
we're
working
through
the
specifications
and
everything
we'll
reach
out
for
you
to
make
sure
we're
covered
and
and
getting
you
all
what
you
want?
Yes,
that'd,
be
great.
Thank
you
perfect.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
You
all
right
and
you're
all
free
to
go.
You
don't
have
to
hang
out
for
the
rest,
but
thank
you
so
much
great.
C
Thank
you
all
right,
so
that
brings
us
to
our
presentation
from
Department
of
sustainability
on
the
municipal
climate
action
plan.
So
whenever
you're
ready
to
get
that
set
up
and
go,
go
ahead,
Bridgette.
K
K
So
some
of
the
key
takeaways
that
I
want
to
leave
you
with
today
is
that
this
is
really
an
update
to
a
previous
action
that
was
taken.
K
The
last
time
the
city
had
looked
at
doing
a
plan
to
address
all
of
the
sustainability
goals
that
have
been
adopted
by
Council
was
in
2009,
and
so
this
is
an
effort
to
update
that
with
the
additional
resolutions
and
whatnot
that
council's
adopted
since
that
time
and
to
really
take
a
fresh
look
at
this
to
prioritize
what
are
the
impacts
and
the
activities
that
we
can
undertake
to
really
drive
the
most
progress
on
some
of
these
goals
and
what
other
resources
required,
whether
that's
staff
capacity
or
a
capital
investment
or
an
ongoing
operational
cost
that
might
be
preventing
us
from
making
this
progress
and
I.
K
Think.
The
thing
that
is
interesting
to
this
committee
is
how
trees
factor
into
that
and
that
they've
been
identified
to
reduce
heat
island
impacts
in
terms
of
supporting
our
our
climate
resilience
and
adaptation,
as
well
as
sequestering
carbon,
which
contributes
towards
the
city's
carbon
reduction
goal.
K
So
a
little
background
on
this
project
and
how
it
came.
As
I
mentioned,
we
had
a
sustainability
management
plan
in
2009,
but
since
then
city
council
has
adopted
a
food
policy
action
plan
conducted
a
climate
resilience
assessment,
100
renewable
energy
goals.
So
we
needed
to
add
all
of
these
things
in
so
that
we
had
an
opportunity
to
have
all
of
our
goals
in
one
place.
K
So
it
was
a
little
bit
more
easily
accessible
to
our
community
and
to
really
look
at
what's
driving
those
actions
and
what
we
want
to
prioritize
with
them,
and
so
last
June
or
I
guess
not.
Last
year,
June
prior
June
2021
city
council
approved
the
contract
with
AECOM,
which
is
the
consultant
that
the
city
has
hired
to
help
us
with
this
project.
K
They'll
take
longer
some
things:
the
opportunity
might
be
better
for
the
city
as
the
market
changes
or
our
opportunities
change
and
so
trying
to
get
behind
a
sequence
of
events
and
then
what
the
are
those
resources
and
resource
gaps
missing
that
have
prevented
us
from
taking
this
action
so
far
and
then
to
just
make
it
a
little
bit
more
accessible
instead
of
referencing.
These
various
resolutions
that
can
be
kind
of
wordy
and
in
government
speak
and
try
to
make
that
something.
That's
a
little
bit
more
accessible
to
our
community.
K
So
this
just
gives
you
a
little
timeline.
So
there's
our
project
page
that
lays
out
each
of
these
steps
of
the
process.
But,
as
you
can
see,
we've
we've
gone
through
the
discovery
phase.
We've
engaged
with
our
staff
and
our
sustainability
advisory
committee.
We've
done
an
assessment
of
the
landscape.
K
We've
started
prioritizing
what
those
high
impact
activities
are,
and
so
now
we're
starting
to
enter
into
drafting
that
final
report
that
will
be
presented
to
council
somewhere
in
Q3
of
FY
23,
so
for
the
public
watching
our
fiscal
year
runs
from
July
1st
to
June
30th.
So
that
would
happen
sometime
between
January
and
March
of
2023.
K
Just
Orient
you
to
how
this
plan
is
going
to
look.
We
basically
try
to
look
at
our
goals
in
a
fresh
way
right,
not
in
the
silos
of
the
resolutions,
but
looking
at
them
in
terms
of
climate
mitigation
and
adaptation
and
categories
of
things,
and
so
we've
started
to
organize
them
by
three
specific
goals.
K
Under
there
there's
Focus
areas
and
inside
there
are
what
are
what
we're
calling
the
high
impact
activities
and
that's
where
we
will
see
we'll
see
one
of
those
today,
the
one
that
refers
to
trees
and
then
within
those
high
impact
activities.
That's
where
we'll
have
the
resource
gaps
identified.
That's
where
we'll
have
some
implementation
strategies
identified
as
well.
K
So,
on
the
left
side
of
your
screen
in
the
pink,
these
are
the
goals
and
on
the
right
side,
those
are
the
focus
areas.
So
it's
a
lot
to
read:
I
sent
Haley
a
copy
of
these
slides,
they
can
be
posted.
People
can
view
them
later,
but
just
wanted
to
give
you
some
context
of
we're
looking
because
this
plan
is
focused
primarily
on
City
operations,
because
it's
a
municipal
Focus.
K
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
assets
that
the
city
owns
operates
and
maintain
our
resilient,
sufficient,
sustainable
and
efficient
that
sustainability
is
embedded
within
how
we
make
decisions
here
at
the
city
and
that
we
support
sustainability
and
resilience
for
our
area
residents
and
businesses,
so
through
technical
assistance
or
education
and
information.
K
So,
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
so
just
to
orient
you
again
at
the
top,
where
this
is
where
the
high
impact
activity
that
results
to
our
Urban
Forest
resides,
which
is
in
that
goal.
Three
Focus
area
3.1
and
it
really
talks
about
expanding
upon
the
current
tree,
canopy
ordinance
and
targeting
city-owned
property,
with
high
heat,
vulnerability
and
low
tree
coverage
to
reduce
those
impacts
from
Urban
heat
island
effect
and
then
also
to
start
measuring
this,
the
trees
on
Stadium
property
and
their
corresponding
value
in
terms
of
carbon
sequestration.
K
So
that's
how
we've
seen
trees
show
up
so
far.
There's
you
know
a
number
of
other
goals
that
come
around
the
energy
that
the
city
consumes
our
storm,
water,
infrastructure
and
whatnot.
But
this
is
the
one
that
I
thought
would
be
of
most
interest
to
the
committee.
So
that's
really
a
snapshot
of
the
project
and,
like
I,
said
this
high
impact
activity.
K
Here,
the
next
steps
are
going
to
be
to
dig
into
what
implementation
strategies
will
look
like
some
high
level
costs,
like
I,
said
whether
that's
staff
or
Capital
cost,
or
an
ongoing
operational
cost
to
kind
of
flush
out
what
this
would
look
like
and
then
what
the
sequence
of
events
of
how
the
city
should
prioritize
this
in
context
of
all
the
other
goals
that
we
have
and
we'll
be
working
with,
our
our
colleagues
in
the
DSD
Department
to
make
sure
that
this,
whatever
comes
out
of
this
recommendation,
is
reflective
of
the
work
that's
being
cultivated
here
and
in
DSD,
so
that
we
can
expand
and
build
upon
that
Foundation.
K
C
I'll
start
off
by
saying
thank
you.
This
was
awesome.
I
had
been
anxious,
I
hadn't,
I'd
missed
all
the
safety
meetings
where
you've
talked
about
this.
So
I
was
anxious
to
get
this
update
on
the
action
plan.
I'm
gonna,
kick
it
off.
I
have
a
couple
questions.
Well
one's
a
comment.
You
mentioned
that
adding
trees
to
the
vulnerable
areas.
C
That's
obviously
certainly
a
priority
that
we
share
as
well,
but
then
measuring
the
outcome
of
those
tree
interventions,
and
that
does
overlap
with
a
goal
of
this
group
of
having
a
full
tree
inventory,
starting
with
city-owned
properties.
So
I
guess
at
this
point
it's
really
a
bug
in
the
ear
of
where
we
could
get
some
overlap
and
maybe
leverage
funds
across
departments
to
assist
with
that
detailed
tree
inventory,
starting
with
city-owned
trees.
And
so
that's
my
comment.
K
So
there
are
some
places
where
we
talk
about
engaging
with
First
Response
there's.
K
You
know
talking
about
resilience
hubs,
as
the
concept
is
coming
up,
engaging
more
with
our
all
hazards
committee,
which
is
an
internal
committee
that
talks
so
that
we
can
be
making
sure
that
climate
change
and
the
information
we've
gathered
about
our
climate
vulnerabilities
as
being
considered
as
we're
approaching
that
as
well
and
then
I
would
just
say
to
your
first
point
that
the
funding
isn't
necessarily
funding
for
the
sustainability
Department
it's
going
to
be,
for
whoever
whomever
is
doing
the
work.
K
So
all
this
you
know
this
impacts
almost
every
Department
in
the
city,
because
we're
embedding
in
the
organization.
So
it
might
not
necessarily
be
more
for
this
sustainability
department,
but
it
might
be
more
in
the
DSD
department,
for
example,
in
the
urban
Forester
program.
If
that's
a
strategy
where
that,
where
that
work
would
be
housed.
C
Exactly
and
I
guess
my
comment
is
more
that
the
more
voices
that
are
pushing
toward
the
same
outcome,
then
the
more
likely
we'll
be
able
to
get
that
funding.
So
wherever
you
can
put
that
in
you
know,
so
that's
that's
really
the
point
there
but
yeah
I
appreciate
it.
So
for
the
rest
of
the
commission,
questions
or
comments
for
Bridget.
D
Don
thanks
Bridget,
that
was
a
great
presentation.
There's
also
the
benefits
for
storm
water
management
and
runoff
that
existing
trees
and
future
trees
could
provide.
Could
that
be
included
in
that
statement
of
the
goal?
D
K
Yeah
I
don't
see
there
would
be
any
conflict
in
adding
that
as
well.
I
know
we
do
talk
about
as
I
mentioned,
there's
a
green
and
gray
infrastructure
recommendation
as
well
and
there's
the
co-benefits
of
green
and
gray
infrastructure
are
mentioned
in
that
section,
but
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
couldn't
call
that
out
here
as
well.
D
C
So
we
all
just
love
it.
You
guys
are
so
quiet
today
you're
getting
off
easy
Bridget.
They
usually
have
a
lot
more
to
say
all
right.
Well
then,
we
love
it.
So
I
would
say
you
know,
as
as
far
as
working
forward.
C
C
A
C
J
Oh
sure
we
are
finishing
up
this
week
with
tree
operations
and
next
week
we'll
be
starting
to
install
holiday
decorations
along
the
parade
route,
and
that's
usually
as
much
as
I
like
to
commit
to
decorations
for
holiday.
That's
not
here
yet
and
so
I'll
try
and
wait
toward
the
end
of
November
before
we
put
up
the
remainder
of
the
holiday
decorations,
I
kind
of
like
to
enjoy
holidays.
You
know
in
like
a
linear
fashion.
J
Instead
of
go,
you
know
two
two
holidays
out
or
whatever,
unlike
retail,
and
we
have
also
discontinued
roadside
bush,
hogging
and
those
staff
are
working
on
Stump
Grinding
this
week
and
then
they'll
be
joining
the
tree
staff
with
the
Declaration
installation.
Because
of
how
few
people
we
have.
C
B
That's
it
no
I.
B
I
guess
I
don't
talk
about
this
later,
but
we
did
post
the
urban
Forester
position.
Last
Friday
and
y'all
all
got
that
email
I
believe
so
it
is
posted
in
actively
recruiting
so
I'm.
C
Yay,
all
right,
that's
exciting,
so
that
is
posted.
If
you
have,
you
know,
networks
get
that
out
there
I
know
Ed
sent
it
far
and
wide.
Thank
you
so
much
so
we'll
look
for
those
candidates
to
start
rolling
in
so
we
are
making
progress
so
awesome.
Thank
you
so
much
all
right.
Well,
then,
moving
on
to
Old
business,
starting
with
our
working
groups
and
updates,
so
the
policy
working
group
that
should
actually
say
Patrick,
I,
know
Patrick's
been
I,
don't
know
making
some
Headway.
G
So
I
had
a
conversation
recently
with
Ben
about
getting
together
with
a
working
group
and
going
over
the
proposed
amendments
to
section
719
and
also
stressed
with
him
our
desire
to
have
those
amendments
go
forward
to
this
city
council.
G
At
the
same
time
that
we
send
the
revised
chapter
20
to
the
city
council
for
a
discussion
and
approval,
as
far
in
so
after
this
meeting
I'll
get
back
with
with
Ben
and
see
if
we
can
schedule
a
meeting
on
on
7
19
and
get
that
out
of
the
way
in
chapter
20
I
received
several
emails
from
Greg
Schuler,
the
director
of
Public
Works
and
one
from
Mark
Foster,
the
City
Arborist
regarding
Public
Works
internal
work
on
chapter
20..
G
I
responded
to
mark
this
morning
and
I'd
like
to
go
over
the
history
of
this.
Briefly
for
the
record
on
on
this
meeting
in
the
summer
of
2021,
the
policy
working
group
met
several
times
to
go
through
the
existing
ordinance
chapter.
20.
G
discuss
things
that
we
would
like
to
see
in
that
ordinance
things
that
we
thought
were
outdated
in
terms
of
best
practices
and
standards
and,
most
importantly,
we
discuss
how
we
could
include
language
in
chapter
20
on
Heritage
trees
in
late
summer
and
going
into
September
and
Macy
and
I
went
through
the
existing
ordinance
virtually
line
by
line
in
doing
so,
we
assessed
each
line
whether
it
was
appropriate
to
remain
in
the
ordinance.
G
G
G
G
Also
add
that
the
working
group
was
working
off
an
assessment
made
by
assistant
City
attorney
Perry
Edgerton,
that
chapter
20
was
so
outdated
that
it
needed
a
complete
overhaul.
G
After
that,
the
working
group
met
with
staff
from
public
works
and
development
services
to
go
through
the
document
that
Ed
and
I
prepared.
According
to
my
notes
of
that
meeting,
Public
Works
had
two
primary
areas
of
concern.
G
One
had
to
do
with
language
that
we
added
that
would
have
given
the
director
of
Public
Works
or
his
or
her
designee
the
authority
to
intervene
in
disputes
between
property
owners
over
tree
removal
and
Public.
Works
said
that
that
was
a
very
slippery
slope
and
they
really
did
not
want
to
get
into
that
kind
of
activity.
The
other
major
concern
is
that
we
had
substituted
the
urban
Forester
for
the
director
of
Public
Works
and
the
director
of
development
services
in
public
works
felt.
G
G
After
that
meeting
in
December
and
January
Ed
and
I
took
the
feedback
we
got
from
the
meeting
with
City
staff.
We
made
revisions
to
our
initial
document
and
then
we
cleaned
it
up
by
deleting
all
the
stuff
that
we
thought
was
outdated
and
inappropriate
and
which
we
had.
We
never
got
any
objections
from
City
staff.
G
Admittedly,
probably
from
that
point
on
until
July,
the
urban
forestry
commission
was
really
focused
intently
on
doing
what
we
could
to
ensure
that
we
got
the
funding
for
the
urban
Forester
after
we
were
successful
in
that
late
in
August
we
went
back
to
chapter
20
and
we
made
requests
for
City
staff
to
to
get
together
and
go
over
that
our
final
revision
of
of
chapter
20..
G
There
was
some
back
and
forth
because
Department
of
development
services
felt
that,
while
they
wanted
to
be
part
of
that
discussion,
they
thought
that
Public
Works
should
take
the
lead
on
that.
We
didn't
disagree
with
that,
but
several
attempts
to
get
that
process
started
didn't
get
us
anywhere.
Until
the
past
month,
we
were
informed
by
Greg
Schuler
and
then
most
recently
by
Mark
Foster,
that
Public
Works
had
gone
through
a
document,
we're
not
clear
which
document
that
is
and
apparently
I've
made
a
lot
of
changes
and
questions
and
and
posted
questions.
G
We
don't
know
what
those
are,
because
with
repeated
attempts
to
get
gain
access
to
that
document,
we
still
have
not
done
that
so
I'm
a
little
vexed
about.
Why,
given
that
history,
in
my
reading
of
what
Mr,
Schuler
and
Mr
Foster
said
why
Public
Works
felt
that
they
had
to
go
back
to
the
starting
blocks
and
go
completely
through
chapter
20
anew,
so
that's
where
we
are
until
we
see
what
Public
Works
has
done
and
share
that
with
development
services,
we
can't
make
any
Headway.
N
C
Do
you
have
any
comments
for
where
we're
at.
J
With
public
works
at
this
point,
yeah
sure
do
you're
you're
in
the
home
stretch.
You
know
I'm,
sorry,
if
you're
feeling
vexed
and
I'm
I'm
sure
it's
it's
frustrating
to
put.
You
know
this
length
of
time
and
and
effort
into
amending
an
ordinance.
J
You
know
and
still
waiting
for
things
to
happen.
I'm
I
work
here
in
the
city
and
so
I'm
I,
don't
always
like,
but
I'm
more
used
to
the
PACE
at
which
things
happen
in
government
and
so
to
me
you
know
it's
it's
a
it's
a
matter
of
time
perception,
it's
like
being
a
three-toed
sloth
or
something
everything
looks
normal
speed
to
you.
You
know,
as
far
as
you
know,
which
document
was
being
worked
on
it
was.
J
It
was
the
one
that
you
all
provided
you
know
to
DSD
at
first
and
we
got
that
from
them.
We
really
could
have
used
that
previous
language
in
the
document
to
be
able
to
compare
the
new
to
the
old,
because
we
wound
up.
You
know
dusting
off
the
sacred
Scrolls,
the
you
know
the
original
chapter
20
to
be
able
to
compare
line
by
line
what
you
had
changed
versus
what
the
original
one
was.
J
You
know
and
that
take
takes
a
little
effort,
but,
like
I
said
we,
and
we
had
also
you
know-
worked
on
chapter
20
ourselves.
You
know
had
an
aborted
partial
project
of
that
previously
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
any
good
stuff
we'd
come
up
with
in
that
that
we
didn't
just
toss
that
out.
You
know,
because
that
would
have
really
wasted
the
time
we'd
spent
on
it.
J
But,
like
I
said
we're
nearing
the
end
here,
and
so
you
know
things
were
looking
good
with
chapter
20..
Public
Works
is
the
most
appropriate
Department
to
Shepherd
the
chapter
20
changes,
because
it's
the
it's
the
document
that
our
day-to-day
on
the
ground
public
tree
maintenance
you
know
revolves
around,
whereas
you
know
the
stuff
that
you're
you're
generally
more
interested
in
is,
is
the
stuff
on
on
private
property.
J
You
know,
that's
not
our
realm
and
that's
dsd's
realm.
You
know
so
anyway,
we're
that's.
Where
we're
at
right
now,
I
saw
somebody
had
a
question.
N
Should
remind
all
all
of
us
that
I
became
Council
liaison
to
the
then
tree
Commission
in
2010,
and
we
were
trying
then
to
change
the
recommended
tree
recommended
plantings
to
get
rid
of
of
invasives,
and
it's
still
not
been
completed.
N
It's
you
know,
12
years
later
and
the
the
recommended
plantings
or
to
my
knowledge
are
still
not
resolved.
So
things
take
a
long
time
in
a
bureaucracy,
but.
J
I
would
I
would
add
that
timing
is
everything
too,
with
the
document
coming
over
to
us
at
the
beginning
of
my
growing
season.
That's
not
the
time.
I
have
a
lot
of
spare
time
to
be
reviewing
ordinances.
You
know
I'm
busy
getting
pelted
by
the
concerns
of
the
public
through
all
their
contact,
which
is
pretty
massive
during
the
growing
season.
It
seems
like
when
fall
rolls
around
I.
Don't
know
if
everybody
gets
distracted
by
the
pretty
colors,
but
they
stop
noticing
a
line
of
sight
problems
at
intersections.
J
They
stop
noticing
low
limbs
that
are
hitting
their
cars.
They
stop
knowing
what
a
dead
tree
looks
like
and
the
phone
falls
silent.
So
you
know
now
we
have
time
to
to
work
on
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
it's
you
know,
that's
the
reality
of
our
day-to-day
time.
I,
don't
know
how
you
all
your
the
demands
of
your
days,
but
that's
what
ours
said.
What.
E
C
F
Yeah
on
that
note,
how
far
along
have
you
gotten
with
chapter
20
Mark
I
mean
I
hate
to
pin
you
down
but
I'm,
pinning
you
down.
Okay,.
J
Well,
like
I
said
we
did
that
line
by
line
comparison,
and
that
was
mostly
me.
You
know,
because
I'm
I'm,
the
lowest
paid
employee
on
the
on
the
pile
and
so
I've
made
that
complete
pass-through.
We've
also
met
to
go
over
my
observations
on
those,
and
so
essentially
you
know,
we've
we've
gone
all
the
way
through
the
ordinance
and
there's.
J
There
are
changes
that
we've
suggested
and
changes
that
you've
suggested
that
we
like,
and
there
are
things
that
we
don't
see
as
much
need
for
I
suppose
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
like
I
said
in
my
emails
collate.
You
know
what
we
need
to
make
this
the
best
document,
most
up-to-date
document,
something
that,
aside
from
the
two-party
private
property
disputes,
you
know
that
was
a
problem
for
us
and
you
know
having
the
urban
Forester
rather
than
Greg
Schuler.
J
J
Neither
one
really
seems
to
have
any
illegal
teeth
in
it
to
actually
get
money
for
those
fines.
You
know
you're,
essentially
relying
on
people
saying:
oh,
you
caught
me.
You
know:
okay,
I'll
pay
this
fine,
but
you
know
I've
I've
repeatedly.
My
staff
have
had
to
remove
trees
that
were
a
threat
to
the
general
public
that
were
on
private
property
and
we're.
You
know
going
to
fall
into
the
public
realm
and
we
never
got
a
dime
out
of
those
people
and
so
we're
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
fix
that.
J
Additionally,
the
Parks
Department
has
and
has
a
role
to
play
and
can
probably
play
a
bigger
role
in
tree
maintenance
in
their
Parks.
Previously.
What
we
had
done
because
of
what
we've
got
in
terms
of
Staffing
is
you
know
the
the
larger
trees
that
require
bucket
trucks
and
climbing,
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
was
that
was
in
our
wheelhouse,
but
they
were
helping
us
out
with
you
know:
small
maturing
sized
trees
that
were
situations
in
their
Parks.
J
They
had
the
Landscaping
crew
on
site
and
could
work
on
those
things,
and
so
we're
hoping
that,
because,
under
their
new
management
lately
it
seems
like
Parks
is
helping
us
out
even
more
by
Contracting
out
trees
that
are
dead
as
a
hammer,
and
you
know
along
part,
Pathways
and
so
forth.
That
are
a
threat
to
the
public
and
we
welcome
that
assistance.
J
So
we
we
need
to
try
and
figure
out
how
to
get
those
additional
things
slid
into
the
ordinance
as
well.
Those
are
things
that,
obviously,
you
hadn't
thought
about,
and
things
that
you
know
had
just
sort
of
recently.
We'd
had
an
aha
moment
about.
C
J
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
is
yeah,
we'll
we'll
have
a
public
works
version
that
you
know
we're
gonna
roll
out
to
you
all
and
it's
it's
gonna
include
probably
the
vast
majority
of
of
things
that
you
all
wanted,
and
it's
going
to
have
the
things
that
we
need
in
terms
of
our
operations
and
operational
effectiveness.
And
then,
if
there's
any,
you
know
final
comments.
Yeah,
we
hash
those
out
at
that
time.
J
Well,
we're
coming
into
two
holiday
months,
so
I
don't
know
maybe,
but
I
want
to
have
it
to
you
before
things
get
busy
for
me
again
in
the
springtime.
Obviously,.
G
I
sent
Greg
a
email
with
the
link
to
our
latest
version
of
chapter
20
that
Ed
and
I
revised
back
in
January.
The.
I
I
hate
to
Monkey
Wrench
this,
but
I'll,
take
you
off
the
right
version
mark
because
those
two
things
that
you
mentioned:
changing
the
pub
back
to
Public
Works
director
and
what
was
the
other
thing.
I
Oh,
the
the
second,
the
the
two-party
issue.
We
had
already
corrected
that
in
the
last
version
that
we
had
sent.
That's
the
final,
so
yeah
I
think
you're
working
off
an
older,
your
iteration.
J
C
I
As
Patrick
mentioned,
we
had,
we
had
responded
to
Public
Works
comments
and
did
another
version
that
cleaned
a
lot
of
that
stuff
up
and
if
Mark's
working
off
an
earlier
version,
then
I
think
you're
going
to
be
missing.
Some
of
the
points
that
we
threw
in
there
and
I'm
really
concerned
about
that.
So
Patrick.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
Mark's
got
the
right
right
version
in
hand.
I
A
E
C
And
so
we
can
just
confirm.
Okay,
thank.
E
C
Or
date,
the
versions-
that's
a
good
idea:
okay,
well
Patrick!
Thank
you
very
much,
and
just
so
everybody
knows,
Patrick
has
agreed
to
sort
of
take
the
lead
on
this
policy.
Work
just
to
you
know,
take
a
little
pressure
off
of
me.
You
know,
but
obviously
working
together
with
the
rest
of
the
policy
working
group.
So
thank
you
so
much
Patrick
and
I've
really
noticed
the
difference.
Since
you've,
you
know
really
initiated
the
communication.
So
thank
you
so
much.
Thank.
G
C
C
That's
okay,
it's
fine
and
go
ahead.
I
Yeah,
the
just
a
heads
up-
this
is
just
for
information.
The
group,
the
the
president's
infrastructure
Bill,
includes
1.5
billion
dollars
for
urban
forestry
funding,
Nationwide
and
speaking
with
my
colleagues
in
the
forest
service.
They
are
developing
a
strategy
to
get
that
money
out
to
State
forestry
agencies
and
non-profit
organizations
and
and
through
State
forestry
agencies
to
cities
to
fund
urban
forestry
programs.
I
So
the
more
we
can
stay
on
top
of
what
our
budget
intentions
are
over
the
next
year
or
so
the
greater
the
opportunity
to
maybe
score
some
of
this
funding
to
to
take
care
of
some
of
our
ambitious
ideas.
So
we
just
have
to
make
sure
that
we
monitor
this
and
you
know,
sort
of
be
be
prepared
to
to
hit
the
ground
running
was
with
proposals.
I
It
will
be
matching
funds
funds
as
far
as
I
can
tell,
but
you
know
that's
just
a
bridge
that
we
have
to
cross
when
we
get
to
it.
It's
a
lot
of
money.
Yeah.
C
C
You
know
we
have
City
and
you
know
County,
but
City
elections
coming
up
as
well,
so
we
will
have
new
people
on
city
council,
so
I
think
at
this
point
it's
sort
of
a
make.
The
wish
list
kind
of
thing.
You
know
what
do
we
see
as
our
path
forward
so
that
once
those
new
Council
people
are
installed
and
this
funding
is
starting
to
come
around,
then
we
can
really
push
for
detailed,
specific
requests.
So
that's
just
my
recommendation.
C
Thanks
Don
at
provided
us
a
link
for
the
serving
on
inflation
reduction
act
in
urban
forestry.
Thank
you.
That's
through
the
Arbor
Day
Foundation
in
two
weeks,
I
will
be
at
the
partners
in
community
forestry,
National
Conference
in
Seattle,
that's
through
the
Arbor,
Day
Foundation
and
so
hoping
to
get
a
bunch
of
great
gems.
That
I
will
report
back
to
you
all
on
as
well
so
I'm
sure
that'll,
be
a
big
point
of
discussion.
Is
that
national
funding
as
well
all
right?
C
So
I
guess
this
might
be
the
time
to
talk
about
it.
I
was
going
to
kind
of
bring
this
up
when
we
talk
about
all
the
working
groups,
but
at
I
you
know
this
can
kind
of
wait,
I
think
until
our
annual
treat
Retreat
to
narrow
it
down,
but
with
the
working
groups,
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
just
one
step
more
organized
in
how
we
run
our
working
groups
with
someone
being
the
point
of
contact
lead
in
each
working
group.
Being
you
know
the
one
person
who
can
funnel
Communications?
C
That's
ideally
not
like
just
me,
for
example,
or
any
one
other
person,
so
we
can
spread
the
work
around
I've
been
very
lucky
and
blessed
in
my
business
that
I've
been
extremely
busy
plus
my
other
full-time
job.
So
the
more
that
we
can
delegate-
and
you
know
so
not
any
one
person-
is
to
taxed
with
any
of
these
objectives
so
that
we
can
keep
working
on
them.
C
So
keep
in
mind,
if
you
have,
you
know
one
of
these
working
groups
or
another
that
you're
particularly
interested
in
consider
being
sort
of
the
lead,
and
that's
really
just
mostly
a
Communications
thing,
so
that
we
have
one
point
of
contact
for
for
what's
happening.
When
our
meetings
going
to
happen.
How
are
we
going
to
organize
the
groups
so
at
this
point
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
that
we
could
just
improve
our
organization?
C
We
can
list
all
of
that
in
the
agenda
to
improve
our
transparency
with
the
public
and
just
keep
our
Communications
rolling
so
which
brings
us
to
the
feeling
working
group
and
also
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
working
group.
We
also
have
not
met
again,
I'm
sure
everybody's
been
very
busy
as
well,
so
Karen
requested
to
join
the
urban
Forest
master
plan.
Working
group
is
that
right,
yay
and
we
have
space
so
you're
on
yay.
C
So
for
now,
I'll
go
ahead
and
I'll
organize
a
meeting
of
those
groups
just
to
get
us
rolling,
and
then
we
can
talk
about.
You
know
like
a
different
lead
or
you
know
how
we're
gonna
keep
those
organized
going
forward,
but
no
other
updates
from
those
groups
at
this
moment
either,
but
Ed.
I
Yeah,
just
this
is
mostly
for
Karen's
benefit,
but
I
I.
There
is
a
Google
drive
folder
on
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
and
I've
populated
that
folder
with
example,
plans
and
master
plan
planning
guides
and
all
kinds
of
information.
So
you
might
look
at
the
link
to
you,
so
you
can
sort
of
review
all
that
stuff.
I've.
C
Okay,
good
good,
oh
you
have
it:
okay,
good
I,
just
made
a
note.
So
if
you
have
it
perfect,
all
right
I'll
help
organize
a
meeting
for
us
at
least
before
our
next
UFC
meeting,
we'll
see,
I,
don't
know
exactly
when
that'll
be,
but
with
Thanksgiving
and
everything,
but
we'll
work
it
out.
Okay,
which
actually
brings
us
to
that's
our
current
working
groups,
but
actually
Karen
had
a
couple
great
ideas
for
potential
new
working
groups,
and
these
could
either
be
ideas
that
we
take
on.
C
As
a
working
group
now
remember
that
a
working
group
should
have
a
specific
Focus.
That
has
an
end
point.
If
we
have
a
project
that
is
going
to
be
a
smaller
group
of
members,
but
is
ongoing
for
a
longer
period
of
time,
that
would
need
to
be
a
subcommittee.
So
we
have
to
consider
whether
these
would
fall
into
one
or
the
other
of
those
ideas.
C
But
Karen
brought
up
the
idea
of
working
on
invasive
species,
as
we
know
a
huge
issue
everywhere,
but
particularly
in
our
city,
and
so
if
we
make
that
a
working
group
I
would
just
suggest
that
the
working
group
has
a
specific
Focus.
That
is
something
that
is
achievable
within
that
realm
of
invasive
species.
So
is
it
to
create
a
certain
policy
or
a
resolution
or
some
other
kind
of
outcome?
C
F
Sharon
go
ahead,
yeah
no
add
in
Nancy
and
I
worked
on
it
a
few
months
ago
and
Ed
proposed
when
he
brought
I
think
from
Decatur
I
figured
what
city
was,
which
was
a
fabulous
recommended
species
list,
but
it
was
going
to
take
a
lot
of
volunteer
work
and
we
put
it
back
on
the
city
saying
that
if
this
was
going
to
be
as
extensive
and
we'd
like
it,
it
shouldn't
be
for
volunteers,
but
when
I'm
finding
out
personally
on
using
this
recommended
species
list
is
there's
a
lot
of
columnar
trees.
F
Sort
of
coming
on
that'll
be
counted
as
large
trees
and
they're,
really
not
their
new
species
of
liquid
Amber
that
are
coming
out.
That
are
like
two
feet
wide
that
we're
classifying
as
large
trees.
So
it
does
need
to
be
Revisited
with
species
that
are
coming
up,
that
we're
counting
as
large
trees.
That
really,
in
my
estimation,
are
not
not
large
trees,
so
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
got
the
stomach
for
this
one
more
time
or
not.
F
But
there
are
some
cleanup
stuff
that
needs
to
be
done
on
what
we
have
and
Nancy's
straightened
it
all
up.
All
the
developers
know
where
to
go.
I
know
where
to
go
so
for
the
first
time
I
can
say,
since
this
first
brought
up,
it
looks
like
it's
been
fixed,
where
it's
located
thanks
to
Nancy's
hard
work
on
this,
but
I
do
find.
I've
got
some
issues
with
some
of
what's
listed
as
a
large
tree
is
not
so
we
may
have
to
want
to
take
a
look
at
that.
F
C
That
could
be,
you
know,
a
short-lived,
hopefully
working
group.
You
know
where
get
together
for
a
few
meetings
and
and
have
some
changes
and
get
them
put
through,
so
it
wouldn't
have
to
go
forever.
You.
F
Know
yeah
yeah,
but
just
Ed
and
I
and
Nancy
waded
through
it.
I
don't
know
last
year,
maybe.
C
Yeah
I
remember
that
so
so
I
hear
Sharon
saying
that
there's
at
least
some
interest
would
anyone
else
be
interested
in
you
know
helping
with
that
I
I
honestly,
don't
have
enough
expertise
on
that
area.
B
No
I
was
just
raising
them
to
you
know
the
way
that
it
currently
lives,
like
part
of
it,
because
okay,
so
the
Endeavor
that
y'all
are
talking
about
I,
think
that
we
discussed
with
Ed
and-
and
that
is
a
is
bigger
than
what
you
know.
We
currently
we're
going
to
take
the
existing
document
and
modify
it
as
needed
kind
of
on
an
annual
every
other
year
to
kind
of
capture
these
new
species
that
are
new
cultivars.
B
That
may
not
be
addressed
on
the
current
list,
so
feel
free
to
send
those
to
me,
because
then
I
can
compile
that
and
help
get
that
ready
for
whenever
folks
want
to
take
that
to
re-adopt
or
whatever,
but
I
think
what
y'all,
the
Endeavor
that
that
y'all
are
discussing
is
basically
not
a
revamp.
It's
rewriting.
F
B
So,
but
that's
just
that,
there's
a
small
piece
that
we
can
easily
address
and
capture
some
of
those
things
that
so
we're
not
Mis
qualifying
trees
as
large,
maturing
versus
small
maturing
or
columnar,
and
then
the
other
piece
of
it
is
a
different
companies.
You
know
different
conversation,
but.
G
Yeah,
since
the
since
policies
inherently
ongoing
and
there's
always
going
to
be
ordinance,
tweaks
should
that,
should
the
policy
working
group
be
renamed,
the
policy
subcommittee.
C
A
good
point:
it's
actually
it's
a
very
good
point,
because
we
could
look
at
it
two
different
ways,
because
each
policy
that
we
work
on
is
a
specific
thing
that
has
a
starting
point
and
an
ending
point.
Then
it
could
fall
under.
You
know
a
working
group
sort
of
situation
because,
ideally
the
goal
would
be
to
finish
you
know,
but,
like
you
said,
then
there's
always
something
else
to
look
at.
So
the
the
difference
would
be
a
subcommittee.
Every
meeting
has
to
be
publicly
noticed.
C
C
Let's
see
I
think
at
this
point
we're
fine
to
continue.
Let's
at
the
latest,
address
that
at
our
annual
Retreat.
That
would
be
an
appropriate
time,
yes
or
the
beginning
of
the
year
to
make
that
change
if
we
decide
to,
but
let
me
consult
with
City
staff
and
just
make
sure
we're
still
on
the
right
track
for
that.
Okay,
all
right,
I'm,
just
making
a
note
versus
subcommittee,
okay,
so
back
to
the
invasive
species
question
so
I!
It's
a
perfect!
You
know
thing
for
this
group
to
tackle.
C
I
I
Because
the
plan
will
help
us,
especially
if
it
includes
an
inventory,
identify
trees
with
particular
problems
or
areas
that
that
need
need
some
response,
like
the
cemetery,
for
example,
where
I
think
they've
been
doing
some
invasive
species
work.
But
I
it'll
give
us
the
opportunity
to
be
very
specific
with
the
actions
that
are
needed
rather
than
us
doing,
work
in
advance.
F
Big,
what's
going
on
with
that,
like
in
TRC
with
the
development
coming
in,
if
they're
going
to
do
a
clear-cut
and
build
something
and
then
they
leave
the
whole
area
around
it
and
the
whole
area
around.
It
is
pretty
much
invasive
and
it
can
be
invasive
from
everything
from
Kudzu
to
just
a
whole
load
and
they're,
calling
it
Green
Space
so
I
mean
it's
a
great
place.
F
We
have
a
master
plan
to
tweak
that
and
either
7-Eleven
or
719
and
say:
if
we're
going
to
save
these
areas,
then
they
have
to
have
a
minimum
amount
of
or
no
amount
of
invasive
species,
because
until
we
get
the
inspection
to
go
out
there
and
go
well,
there's
x
amount
of
Hardwoods
x,
amount
of
softwoods
and
the
rest
is
just
wild
and
then
we're
not
really
knowing
what
we're
saving
as
I've
heard.
Ed
State
before
green
is
green
and
he's
right,
but
it'd
be
really
great.
F
C
D
I
have
a
question
about
who,
at
the
city
level
would
be
our
main
contact.
You
know,
because
there's
as
far
as
I
know
that
there's
no
entity
within
the
city
that
manages
invasive
species
or
it
falls
under
their
direct
purview,
so
whose
would
that
be,
and
so
we're
not
just
like
coming
up
with
ideas
and
advice
that
goes
into
a
void
that
doesn't
get
implemented.
C
C
Our
ultimate
goal
is
to
recommend
policies
to
city
council
that
trickle
down
to
actions
at
City
staff,
and
so
what
recommendation
are
we
trying
to
make
with
invasive
species
so
I
think
for
now
we
do
not
create
a
new
working
group
around
that,
but
we
start
to
see
how
we
can
work
it
in
to
the
other
places
that
we're
already
working,
but
I
will
make
a
new
working
group
for
the
recommended
species
list
which
is
currently
Karen,
Sharon
and
maybe
don
which
isn't
maybe,
but
they
could
at
least
maybe
Loop
you
in
on
Communications
and
see
how,
because
I
know
what
Greenworks
we've
already
worked
on
a
lot
of
this
stuff
as
well,
so
good,
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
any
or
all
of
the
working
groups.
C
Good
question
I
see
Nancy
and
Mark
kind
of
saying
you
know
like
you
know,
I,
don't
know
what
do
we
know
about
that?.
J
I'm
happy
to
chime
in
if
we
encounter
invasive
plants
in
the
vicinity
of
the
work
that
we're
working
on,
then
we
we
cut
those
and
we
poison
the
stump.
But
as
far
as
you
know,
most
invasive
projects,
you're
looking
at
a
fairly
large
parcel
of
land
and
my
roadside
verges-
are
not
large
Parcels
of
land.
So
that's
why
you
see
primarily
Parks
and
Rec,
using
goats
and
so
forth,
to
attack
invasives
on
the
park
properties.
C
Okay,
thanks
and-
and
so
we
also
part
of
your
question
you
may
see
there
are
a
handful
of
active
volunteer
groups
that
remove
invasives
and
I
know.
Karen
has
worked
with
some
of
those,
so
you
might
also
see
some
of
their
work
out
there
we're
hoping
or
we're
seeing
it.
There
was
an
idea
to
see
if
one
or
more
of
those
groups
could
come
to
our
annual
Retreat
and
update
us
about
their
work.
So
we're
gonna
work
on
that
Karen.
A
So
the
city
of
Asheville
does
the
neighborhood
matching
grants
in
the
Montford.
Neighborhood
association
was
awarded
a
five
thousand
dollar
Grant
to
be
matched
with
in-kind
volunteer
hours
and
that
money
is
going
to
go
to
Raven
invasive
plant
management,
and
so
they
will
be
removing
some
invasives
along
the
Reed
Creek
Greenway
in
the
next
year.
So
you'll
see
them
out
there,
along
with
some
volunteers
and
Kudzu.
Culture
will
also
be
helping
us
organize
volunteers
for
that
project.
C
Thank
you,
Nancy,
oh,
does
it?
Okay,
Cecil.
C
M
B
Did
not
mean
to
I
was
losing
lowering
my
hand,
Karen
notify
us
when
you're
notified
me
stormwater
when
you're
removing
invasives.
So
when
we
get
calls
from
people,
that's
all
you
have
to
do
to
do
it.
That's
the
Only
Rule,
but
in
terms
of
the
policy,
you
will
probably
see
a
policy.
If
you
did
a
policy
on
invasives,
it
would
probably
fall
down
to
a
variety
of
different
folks
who
would
manage
it
within
the
city
exactly
like
we
do
much
of
our
work,
so
it
would
depend
on
who's.
B
C
Okay,
so
moving
on
with
old
business,
the
boards
and
commissions
realignment,
yeah,
I,
know
Sharon,
it's
Fanboy
gets
the
email
string,
it's
so
nothing
is
officially
changing
with
boards
and
commissions.
You
may
see
information
out
there
about
Council
committees,
and
that
is
separate
from
boards
and
commissions.
Those
are
the
actual
committees
within
City
Council,
on
what
they
work
on.
The
original
plan
was
to
align
boards
and
commissions
with
city
council
committees.
That
part
is
not
currently
going
forward,
but
city
council
is
working
on,
realigning
their
Council
committees.
So
that's
separate.
C
There
is
a
group
of
people
still
working
together
to
sort
of
help
guide.
The
city
provide
input
and
suggestions
on
what
a
boards
and
commission's
realignment
may
look
like
if
that
were
to
happen.
They're
working
currently
still
on
the
survey
that'll
go
out
to
boards
and
commissions
members.
It's
super
close,
we'll
see
if
there
can
be
agreement
on
getting
that
out,
but
hopefully
soon
you
will
see
a
survey
that
would
be
really
really
helpful
if
everyone,
especially
current
boards
and
commissions
members,
would
take
that
survey.
C
But
as
far
as
this
relates
to
this
group,
there's
no
changes
at
least
currently
in
sight.
So,
like
I,
said
before
we'll
just
keep
working
till
they
make
a
stop
so
Sharon.
F
Real
quick
I
wanted
to
say
that
we
were
unable
to
incorporate
if
you're
on
more
than
one
boarding
commission,
that
you
would
be
able
to
just
download
another
application.
You'll
have
to
and
it'll
be
on
the
cover
letter.
You'll
have
to
ask
Sarah
for
another
application.
If
you're
on
more
than
like,
Patrick
and
I
are
on
have
been
on
two
boards
of
commissions,
so
I'll
only
be
able
to
answer
on
one
and
then,
if
I
want
to
reply
on
the
other,
one
I'll
have
to
ask
Sarah
for
a
different
application.
C
All
right,
thank
you,
so
be
on
the
lookout
for
that,
but
the
feedback
will
be
important
for
moving
that
process
forward.
All
right
next
is
the
Duke
Energy
Rankin
street
project.
We
kept
this
on
the
agenda
because
it's
still
out
there
and
unresolved
I
was
just
now
looking
up.
C
I
still
have
not
seen
any
announcement
of
public
engagement
meetings
as
far
as
I
know,
the
plan
was
halted,
but
they
were
going
to
continue
with
Gathering
public
input
on
what
the
future
of
both
the
current
substation
and
possibly
the
existing
Lots
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
but
I
haven't
seen
notifications
seen
any.
There
hasn't
been
any
notification
of
public
engagement,
yet
so
I
know
they
had
planned
for
November
or
December
to
have
a
couple
meetings
for
public
input.
C
So
as
soon
as
any
of
us
see
something,
let's
just
keep
everybody
in
the
loop,
so
we
can
stay
informed
on
that
project.
If
anything
happens
with
that
and
then
lastly,
the
annual
Retreat,
so
we
talked
about
this
briefly
but
I'd
like
to
see,
if
it's
at
all
possible
for
us
to
narrow
down
a
couple
of
dates
for
our
annual
Retreat,
because
the
earlier
we
get
this
planned,
then
we
can,
you
know,
get
City
staff
and
and
see
where
and
how
we
want
to
have
our
Retreat.
C
So
I
guess
one
of
the
first
questions
would
be.
Is
there
a
preference
to
having
the
retreat
itself
online
or
in
person
we
have
the
option
of
having
that
different
than
our
regular
meetings?
So
if
anybody
has
any
input
on
that
I
believe
we
could
potentially
facilitate
outside
presenters
to
be
online,
even
if
we
meet
in
person.
So
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
have
that
as
a
limiting
factor.
If
we
did
want
to
meet
in
person
but
still
have
outside
people
give
us
presentations
so
Cecil.
N
Yeah
transmission
rates
for
the
covid
thing
are
ticking
up
in
Buncombe
and
across
the
mountains,
so
my
my
preference
would
be
for
online.
F
C
Know
Sharon
likewise
I
I'm
a
in-person
person,
but
but
again,
if
that's
not
the
overall
preference,
Zoe.
H
I
would
really
like
to
meet
in
person
since
I
have
not
been
in
person
with
most
of
you
and
but
I
would
also
consider,
maybe
a
hybrid
where
we
could
meet
in
person
for
part
of
it,
and
especially
if
we
have
people
from
out
of
town,
we
could
meet
on
Zoom
with
them
that
might
be
more
effective
in
some
ways,
but
I
I
would
like
at
least
part
of
it
to
be
in
person.
Thank
you.
C
Oh
and
to
that
point
we
actually
also
traditionally
have
a
lunch,
get
together
in
December,
so
we'll
do
that
again
at
least
have
that
opportunity
for
in
person
for
anybody
who
can
make
it
to
that
Patrick.
G
Yes,
although
I
was
in
favor
of
continuing
the
regular
urban
forestry
commission
meetings,
online
I
think
I
would
prefer
in
person
for
the
annual
retreat.
C
Okay,
thanks
shall
we
vote
on
it?
Okay,.
E
F
Sorry
I'm
talking
and
was
it
February,
is
that
what
we
did
well.
C
C
So
yeah
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
do
a
date
first
and
then
in
person
or
online
or
either
way,
Patrick.
C
I
Ed
yeah
I
would
prefer
January
too,
but
I
understand
it
I'm
on
the
emergency,
and
that
probably
won't
happen
before
January.
So
at
least
I'll
be
able
to
attend
the
retreat.
C
We'll
see
well,
if
it's
in
person,
maybe
anyway
I
didn't
say
that
yeah,
so
you
guys
know
Ed
is
his
tenure.
Is
gonna,
be
up
so
Patrick.
G
So
I
would
make
a
motion
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
hold
its
annual
2023
meeting
in
January
and
in
person.
C
F
C
So
thanks
Sharon
Sharon
got
there
yeah
and
then
so
we'll
do
a
vote.
So
this
is
to
have
our
annual
treat
in
person.
Dawn
hi
Ed,
hi,
Sharon,
hi,
Zoe,
hi,
Cecil.
C
You
are
muted,
I
know
you
vote
no,
it's
okay,
Patrick
hi,
Karen,
hi
and
I
vote
I,
so
we
hope
you'll
come
see
so
and
if
not,
we
might
be
able
to
have
a
way
to
Loop
you
in
hybrid.
N
Well,
I
mean
I
I
could
change
my
view
in
the
next
two
months
or
month
and
a
half
whatever
it
is.
I
just
I
am
concerned
that
the
the
covid
transmission
rate
is
is
ticking
up
all
over
here,
and
you
know,
and
I
would
also
move
that
we
change
Ed's
name
so
that
he
can
stay
on
yeah.
C
And
I
was
going
to
address
this
next
month
on.
There
might
be
a
way
for
Ed
to
remain
as
a
consultant
non-voting
on
working
groups.
Only
so
we
hopefully
will
not
lose
his
expertise.
That's
really
our
whole
goal
with
that.
So.
G
Yes,
with
the
retreat
have
to
adhere
to
any
city
policy
regarding
in-person
meetings,.
G
Well,
for
example,
to
Cecil's
concern
addressing
the
Cecil's
concern
if
we
had
an
in-person
meeting
and
people
wore
masks
and
sat
six
feet
apart.
G
Maybe
that
would
address
Cecil's
concern,
but
I
don't
know
whether
that's
not
the
policy
now
for
in-person
meetings
for
the.
C
Absolutely
you
know,
and
so
we'd
have
to
see
my
impression
would
be.
We
would
have
to
see
if
something
currently
changes.
Currently,
that's
my
understanding.
That's
not
a
city
policy
for
in-person
meetings
currently,
so,
if
that
becomes
so,
of
course,
we'd
have
to
follow
it,
but
we
would
also
I
mean
try
to
do
whatever
would
make
Cecil
comfortable
as
well.
I.
A
Speaking
with
Sarah,
it's
got
to
be
one
or
the
other
in
person
or
online.
We
are
not
offering
a
hybrid
option
yet,
but
they
were
working
on
it
and
it's
possible
by
2023
it'll,
be.
A
Clarify
about
that
I'll
clarify
whether
members
could
also
have
that
option,
but
from
when
I
talked
to
her
last
in
regards
to
this
with
the
noise
Advisory
Board,
it
was
needed
to
be
one
or
the
other.
Well.
C
Thank
you
we'll
clarify
that,
okay.
So
as
far
as
a
date,
yeah
I
don't
know
whatever
my
schedule
looks
like
I
think
a
Friday
would
work
really
good
for
me
personally,
like
anyway,
Fridays
are
good,
also,
maybe
a
handful
of
other
moments
but
I'm
looking
at
Friday,
January,
13th
or
Friday
January
27th.
If
anyone
has
their
availability,
Friday.
F
H
Any
product
is
good
for
me
for
me
to
tell
you
that
my
screen,
May
black
out
and
I,
may
have
to
log
back
in.
So
that's
what's
happening.
If
that
happens,
oh.
C
Okay,
we're
almost
wrapped
up
with
this
meeting
for
now,
but
thanks
anyone
else,
and
so
the
retreat
typically
is.
You
know
like
a
three
to
four
hour
block.
You
had
to
have
time
to
go.
Overall
is
the
planning,
so
maybe
an
afternoon
we
could
do
after
or
morning
really
either
one
anyone
have
any
other
conflicts
with
January
the
13th.
C
So
let's
pencil
that
in
we'll
finalize
the
time
and
location
based
on
what
we
can
do
with
the
city
and
get
that
out
to
everybody,
if
you
have
a
preference
on
morning
or
afternoon,
just
let
me
Nancy
Haley,
know
and
we'll
coordinate
yay.
Oh
my
gosh,
that
was
a
big
one.
Okay,
thanks
everybody!
So
we're
looking
at
January
13th
in
person
for
annual
retreats
all
right
last
item
under
new
business.
Is
the
municipal
golf
course
tree
removal
plan.
C
So,
through
a
couple
different
concerned,
citizens
we've
been
notified
that
there
are
several
trees
at
the
municipal
golf
course
and
several
is
actually
putting
it
mildly.
If
you
drive
around
Fairway
Drive,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
markings
for
trees
to
be
removed
and,
as
you
may
or
may
not
have
heard,
the
municipal
golf
course
has
been
under
disrepair.
I
think
we
all
know
that,
but
they
received
a
big
contract
or
got
a
new
contract
for
a
subcontractor.
In
addition
to
more
funding
to
enhance
and
repair
the
golf
course.
C
They
just
announced
this
week
that
they
got
something
like
a
million
more
dollars,
so
they're
well
over
2
million
to
their
three
million
dollar
budget
for
Golf
Course
repair
improvements,
which
is
a
good
good
thing.
A
great
thing.
We
want
that
to
happen,
but
part
of
this
plan
apparently
includes
a
lot
of
true
removal
and
an
unknown
amount
of
tree
planting.
C
So
as
soon
as
I
got
this
information,
I
sent
an
email
to
the
the
lead
of
the
golf
course
project
through
the
city,
who's
also
a
neighbor.
He
also
lives
in
Beverly
Hills,
and
so
we
all
have
concern
you
know
locally
and
full
disclosure.
Anybody
watching
I
live
in
Beverly
Hills
by
the
golf
course
as
well.
C
So
we
are
obviously
concerned
about
any
tree
removals
in
the
city,
particularly
so
many
trees
in
a
place
where
they're,
you
know
really
necessary.
You
know
to
have
shade
and
enhance
you
know
it's
public
land,
so
Chris
said
Chris
Coral
had
already
been
scheduled
to
give
us
an
update
on
this
in
December,
so
I
have
not
received
a
personal
response
to
the
email
I
sent,
but
we
do
know
he's
on
the
agenda
to
me
with
us
next
month.
C
So
at
this
point
it's
really
just
putting
everything
out
there.
The
one
email
response
that
we
did
see
from
Chris
indicated
that
no
trees
would
be
removed
prior
to
January
at
the
earliest.
So
it's
not
a
instant
tree
removal
plan,
but
we
have
not
seen
or
heard
of
any
remediation
or
replanting
plants,
so
Sharon.
F
I
wanted
to
comment
on
your
comments.
You
did
a
great
job
on
the
comments
on
the
ACT
article
I
mean
an
email
and
say
that
you
are
extremely
diplomatic
with
I
think
with
voicing
all
of
our
concerns.
So
thank
you
for
your
well
thought
out
responses.
Are
they
going
to
bring
us
an
arborist
report?
A
certified
report.
C
That's
what
we're
asking
for
and
two
things
we're
asking
for.
You
know
clarification,
we're
asking
to
be
involved
with
the
tree
plan
and
for
them
to
use
certified
standards
and
arbiculture
standards,
but.
F
That
so
yeah,
because
I
will
truly
not
want
to
see
anything
other
than
a
plan.
What
trees
are
coming
out,
which
ones
just
like
the
review
that
we
did
on
Vermont
Street,
you
know:
what's
what's
the
caliper
all
the
information
that
Ed
is
always
told
us
to
look
for
in
a
good
arborist
report
on
this
type
of
thing
other
than
that
personally,
I
would
say:
don't
I
mean
if
you
want
to
come
and
talk
to
us
about
it,
but
I
want
to
look
at
a
report
yeah
you.
C
Know
at
this
point:
let's
have
those
items
ready
not
so
we
can
blast
him
when
he
comes
to
talk
to
us,
but
so
we
can
have
our
specific
requests,
but
more
than
that,
like
the
the
best
practices
ready
to
present
right.
F
Because
I
do
know
that
wanting
to
and
they've
been
wanting
to
do
this
a
long
time
for
anybody
who's
been
following
it
take
it
back
to
the
Ross
design.
If
and
they've
been
talk,
I
mean
when
I
first
joined
UFC.
F
So
you
know
it's
like
I've
got
a
place
in
my
heart
for
golfers,
but
I'd
like
to
see
something
specific
other
than
just
coming
in
and
saying
some
of
these
trees
aren't
good.
F
D
F
C
Thank
you
thank
you
and
I.
Don't
I
lost
track
of
who
was
next
Zoe.
H
Hear
you
I
think
yeah.
It
was
next,
but
I
was
just
going
to
ask
if
Parks
and
Rec
was
in
charge
of
the
process
or
the
the
LLC
that
is
has
taken
over
management
of
the
property.
C
The
city,
so
the
the
city
is
in
charge.
The
company
is
just
the
subcontractors
they
they
run.
The
day-to-day
management
of
the
golf
course:
okay,
they're
not
in
charge
of
the
project,
the
rehab
project,
sorry
about
the
cat.
No
that's
fine,
Cecil.
C
Great
Park
that
we
have
two
Donald
Ross
golf
courses
in
our
city,
but
you
look
at
the
two:
we
have
their
night
and
day
so
I
think
enhancing
this
golf
course
I
I
think
is
a
good
thing,
but
the
trees
are
a
huge
concern,
but
thank
you.
Patrick.
C
C
But
it
regardless,
you
know,
zero
net
loss
would
apply
as
a
city
policy.
So
so
again,
at
this
point
it's
this
is
just
to
get
everybody
posted.
So
we
can
be
ready
for
next
month
and
you
know,
have
our
suggestions
and
best
practices
ready.
So
so
anything
else
on
that
one.
G
Well
before
we
move
on
and
and
regards
to
Sophie
molinex's
email
to
the
commission
and
I
I
think
Sharon
may
have
responded
to
her
I
can't
remember,
but
should
someone
from
the
commission
officially
responded
to
her
so
that
she
just
doesn't
think
that
it
fell
on
deaf
ears.
C
Sure,
and
and
I
did
yesterday,
I
didn't
Loop
everyone
in
yeah
we
had
a
nice
chat
and-
and
she
knows
you
know
that
we
can't
you
know,
magically
wave
our
wand
overnight
and
and
make
this
stuff
happen,
but
I
did
suggest
to
Sophie
that
we
try
to
channel
some
of
that.
Excuse
me,
through
our
advocacy
networks
like
the
tree
protection
task
force
and
other
places
like
that,
where
we
can
make
a
louder
voice
to
city
council.
G
Yeah
I
think
the
handicap
that
we
have
is
state
law,
pretty
much
prohibits
municipalities
and
County
governments
from
getting
involved
in
property
rights
issues,
and
the
only
reason
that
we
were
obviously
able
to
get
involved
in
private
property
development
issues
is
through
a
specific
enabling
legislation
that
gave
the
city
that
Authority
back
in
1985..
G
So
you
know
we
we
constantly
get.
They
lose
with
outcries
from
citizenry,
about
private
property
owners
taking
down
trees,
but
you
know
until
there's
really
a
change
in
the
makeup
of
the
general
assembly,
where
we
could
push
amendments
to
state
law,
there's
really
nothing.
We
can
do.
E
C
There
are
things
we
can
do
and
I
was
at
the
North
Carolina
Urban
Forest
council
meeting
in
September,
and
there
were
a
couple
presentations
in
particular,
and
this
is
why
I
was
talking
about
getting
outside
presenters
to
our
annual
Retreat.
There
were
two
in
particular
that
were
really
really
dealing
with
this
particular
issue.
C
How
can
you
incentivize-
and
you
know,
prohibit
you
know
what
are
the
two
ways
that
you
can
go
about
increasing
some
of
these
protections
even
on
private
property,
and
there
are
some
things
that
are
being
done
in
our
state
that
we
could
now
I,
don't
want
to
say
get
away
with,
but
that
we
can
do
now
to
help
you
know
but
you're
exactly
right.
It's
a
private
property.
C
G
So
what
are
those
options
to
legislate?
I
mean
I
know
we
can
incentivize
and
we
can
educate.
C
But
there
is
some
more
stuff
that
we
can
at
least
try
to
do,
but
you're
right
that
that
is
the
hurdle.
That's
the
where
we
get
stuck
so
done.
D
I
think
we
need
to
disrupt
the
status
quo,
or
else
we'll
never
get
anywhere.
So
all
for
that
and
yeah.
So
through
our
advocacy
networks,
not
at
the
urban
forestry
Commission,
because
we
don't
have
that
luxury
and
I
was
just
asking
Karen
if
I
could
say
something
about
rri
if
she
felt
okay
with
that,
oh.
A
F
Yeah
I
wanted
to
say
that
this
was
a
parking
lot
and
it
was
graded
over
300
square
feet,
and
so
we
do
have
certain
ordinances
that
we
could
beef
up,
because
this
happened
to
be
a
church.
F
It
is
private
property,
so
I
was
looking
at
it
from
a
way
of,
but
this
particular
instance
that
it
could
have
fallen
into
a
change
that
we
could
make
that
if
it
is
a
business
like
a
church,
is
a
business
and
it's
upgraded
over
for
300
square
feet
to
put
a
parking
lot
in
that
it
could
fall
into.
We
couldn't
make
it
or
ask
for
it
to
fall
into
a
category
where
it
would
have
to
have
tree
replacement
to
do
so.
If
they're
going
to
take
it
out.
F
This
didn't
happen
under
that
I.
Don't
know
whether
we've
got
the
provision
to
do
that,
because
it's
not
steep
slope
but
I
was
thinking.
That
would
be
a
way
to
deal
with
that
lower
level
business
type
of
situation,
where
we
probably
could
make
a
Amendment
change
a
text
Amendment
change
if
we
were
could
think
about
it,.
I
Yeah
all
right
see
Sharon's
comment
I,
while
we
may
or
may
not
be
hamstrung
by
enabling
legislation
from
the
state.
You
know
the
question
is:
are
we
doing
everything
we
can
within
the
authority
that
we
have
and
and
I
I'm,
not
sure
we
are
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
I
think
that
we
we
and
I
think
Sophie's
letter
raises
that
point.
There's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
really
frustrated
out
there
right
now
with
the
continued
loss
of
trees.
I
Even
though
we
have
a
canopy
Amendment,
even
though
we've
been
trying
to
work
with
chapter
20
and
even
though
we're
hiring
an
urban
Forester,
we've
made
some
Headway
over
the
years.
I
I
It
belongs
in
both
places
and
and
I
think
that
in
the
case
of
this
church,
if
we
had
the
opportunity
to
say
wait
a
minute,
do
you
really
want
to
remove
these
Heritage
trees?
There's
other
Alternatives
there's
ways
that
we
can
still
do
what
you
want
to
do
and
keep
these
trees.
We
could
have
made
a
difference,
but
I
I
think
that
we
have
to
strongly
advise
the
city
to
move
in
a
direction
that
enables
us
to
save
some
of
these
larger
old
Heritage
trees.
I
G
I
G
I
I
think
we
can
do
a
lot
more.
We
really
have
to
strengthen
719
and
we
have
to
get
the
heritage
tree
language
in
chapter
20.,
consistency
in
those
definitions
across
the
board
and-
and
you
know
we
have
to
start
paying
attention
to
the
letters
like
we're
getting
from
Sophie
there's.
A
lot
of
people
feel
the
same
way
out
there.
I
I,
really
I'm
grateful
for
her.
Sending
that.
C
Let's
bring
it
up
and
just
so
that
we're
all
clear
we
can
make
a
resolution
at
any
time.
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
completely
written
out.
It's
just
nice
to
have
it
all
the
wording
there
and
ready
for
when
we
bring
it
to
this
group
to
vote
on
it.
So
you
know
that
might
be
our
next
step
with
that
one.
So
Karen.
C
G
C
All
right,
I
think
don.
D
Oh
I
think
there's
a
difference
between
a
recommendation
and
a
resolution
which
we're
here
to
tell
us
that
distinction,
but
I
think
we
can
make
recommendations.
C
C
D
H
C
H
C
All
right,
thank
you,
so
I'm
hearing
that
we
can
work
to
address
this
through
our
policy
working
group
through
a
formal
recommendation
to
city,
council
and
I.
Think
those
are
our
biggest
Avenues
correct.
All
right,
we'll
keep
pushing
on
that
and
yeah
again.
Once
again,
thank
you
to
Sophie
for
raising
it
so
eloquently,
so
we
could
address
it
at
this
meeting
all
right,
any
other
things.
Oh
last
on
the
agenda
was
updates
from
Greenworks.
They
had
a
tree
adoption
event
through
actual
Greenworks.
Yes,.
D
We
had
our
tree
adoption
event
on
Sunday
and
it
went
well.
We
had
400
trees,
all
that
were
grown
at
our
native
tree
nursery
that
were
up
for
adoption
and
I.
Don't
have
the
final
numbers
yet
of
how
many
we
gave
away
out
of
that
400..
D
The
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
my
updates
is
that
tomorrow,
Greenworks
is
working
with
Hillcrest
Apartments,
the
housing
authority
and
volunteers
from
TD
Bank
to
in
plant
25
large
maturing
trees
in
Hillcrest,
so
know
we're
very
excited
about
that
and
then
we'll
be
doing
another
50
smaller
trees
in
Klondike
in
December.
D
F
I'll
bring
my
employee
and
I
and
see
you
know
if
we
can
fill
up
my
250
gallon
tank
and
fill
it
up
from
the
street
and
lug
water.
That
way,
maybe
easier
than
dragging
5000
feet
of
Hose
I
also
have
800
feet
of
garden
hose
as
well.
So
all
right,
I'll
I'll,
get
in
touch.
N
A
I
just
have
a
quick
question:
I'm
sorry,
this
I'm
going
to
play
the
the
new
member
card.
I
wasn't
sure
when
to
bring
this
up,
but
I've
been
getting
questions
about
the
trees
on
Vermont,
Avenue
and
they're.
Now
marked
has
that
decided
and
where
can
people
find
information
about
that
plan?.
C
I
believe
so
that
project
is
through
Capital
Works
capital
projects,
capital
projects
in
the
city
and
I
believe
they
have
a
web
page
on
that
specific
project
and
they've
done
extensive
community
outreach
on
every
specific
tree.
That's
marked
there,
so
there
should
be
a
contact
name
on
their
web
page.
So
if
you
can't
find
it,
let
me
know.
I
Getting
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
community
that
that
they're
frustrated
by
the
lack
of
transparency
with
the
city
on
that
project,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
well
how
reach
is
working
I'm,
getting
a
lot
of
feedback
that
folks
are
really
concerned.
I,
don't
know
if
you
agree
with
me
and
Karen.
K
C
Sure
they
know
you
know,
don't
just
keep
that
to
yourself.
You
know,
and
it's
like
in
that
whoever's
listed
on
the
web
page
as
the
contact.
I
I
Can
do
about
it,
I
mean
we've,
we've
communicated
pretty
well
and
we've
met
on
site
and
you
know
had
some
good
conversations.
But
what
they're,
seeing
on
the
plans
is
not
what
they're
hearing
come
out
of
people's
mouths?
So
it's
it's
a
little
frustrating.
C
Okay,
well,
that's
good
to
know.
Yeah
I,
don't
know
again
as
a
commission
exactly
what
else
we
would
do
either,
but
we
can
look
into
it.
So
who
is
next?
Sharing.
F
I
was
going
to
change
the
subject.
Patrick.
Are
you
on
Vermont
Street?
Was
your
question
on
that?
Yes,
okay,
go
ahead
because
I'm
going
to
change
the
subject
so.
G
When
does
that
project
due
to
start.
D
G
D
Just
looking
at
the
website
that
the
city
has,
and
they
have
a
timeline
there,
so
if
you
just
Google
or
if
you
go
to
Asheville
nc.gov
I
can
put
it
in
nothing.
D
There's
says
right
now:
true
risk
assessment
analysis
completed
on
qualifying
qualifying
trees
for
October
Spring
to
Fall
22
winter
2022
design
completes
December
presentation
of
final
plans
to
neighborhood
and
urban
forestry.
Commission
I
didn't
hear
about
that.
Yet
and
then
early
2023
start
of
construction.
G
So
the
reason
I
ask
that
question
is:
should
we
have
someone
from
the
city?
Perhaps
the
new
project
manager
come
to
our
December
meeting,
so
we
can
discuss
this
and
maybe
in
the
meantime
we
can
get
some
people
to
call
in
to
make
public
comment.
C
Yeah
we
can
see
if
they
will
come
so
for
December
yeah.
We
can
see
if
we
can
get
that
and
if
it
sounds
like
that
might
have
been
something
they
were
planning
at
least
originally
see
if
we
can
get
them
for
December.
C
Welcome
and
then
Sharon
what.