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A
Parker
good
morning,
everybody
I'm
chair,
barry
bialik
of
the
asheville,
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
Welcome
to
our
may
6
2021
meeting,
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings,
just
a
little
bit
differently.
A
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
and
comment
live
by
phone.
This
is,
I
think,
we're
the
test
case
for
this.
This
is
a
new
feature
which
is
great.
We'll
have
live
public
comment
to
do
that.
What
you
do
is
you
dial,
eight
five,
five,
nine
two,
five,
two
eight
zero
one.
The
meeting
code
is
seven
six
six
three
and
we
have
an
agenda
item
for
public
comment
towards
the
end
of
the
meeting.
For
those
of
you
out
there
today
with
us
today.
A
Welcome
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
and
do
a
roll
call.
When
I
call
your
name
committee
members,
please
make
sure
to
un
to
unmute
your
microphone
but
to
mute
it
when
you're.
Not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question,
I
would
like
to
speak
on
mutual
microphone.
C
B
A
Morning,
thank
you
and
I'm
very
bialik
with
compact
cottages
and
the
thirsty
monk.
A
F
C
A
Okay,
so
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
approval
of
our
minutes
from
our
last
meeting.
We
did
not
meet
in
april,
so
this
is
for
our
march
minutes.
A
Has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
them
and
if
so,
can
I
get
emotion?
Can
I
get
a
motion
to
accept
him.
A
All
right
do
quick
I'll.
Do
a
quick
roll
call
vote
you
can
just
you
can
just
raise
your
hands
for
this
margie.
F
C
B
A
K
K
Briefly,
I
think,
as
you
all
know,
we
started
out
with
just
community
development
updates
and
then
we
expanded
into
community
development
block,
grant
cove
dollar
updates
to
keep
track
of
that
money
as
well
as
resources,
and
then
recently
we
also
added
a
homeless
updates,
as
well
with
everything
happening
there.
K
So
all
in
efforts
of
sharing,
what's
happening
within
community
development,
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
a
reminder
that
we
do
not
only
post
these
website
or
these
updates
on
our
website,
but
we
also
either
email
them
out
to
our
community
development
listserv.
So
hopefully
we're
getting
the
word
out
about
what's
happening
in
cd
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
D
I
had
a
couple
I
was
wondering:
did
this?
Have
you
done
the
actual
sale
for
the
property
next
to
cedar
hill.
K
Yes,
65
ford
street.
We
closed
on
that
property.
This
past
monday
april
26.
I
believe
we
closed
on
that
property.
D
Working
with
actual
housing
authority,
you
can
move
forward
for
the
larger
project,
correct.
K
That's
correct:
a
lot
of
communication
happening
around
what
that
larger,
60
acre
redevelopment
will
look
like
and
those
conversations
are
are
happening
and
then,
of
course,
I
think
once
some
of
those
initial
steps
are
figured
out
at
home
plate.
I
think
a
lot
of
community
discussion
will
happen
from
there
on
out
about
what
the
community
would
like
to
see
with
some
potential
redevelopment
in
that
area.
D
Okay,
I
also
wanted
to
ask
about
319
biltmore.
K
Yes,
right
now,
I
think
everyone
knows
we
have
a
developer
selected
for
319
biltmore.
We
have
a
meeting
with
the
developer
this
coming
thursday
to
have
some
more
discussions
about
the
property.
C
E
I'd
like
to
request
that
this
committee
get
a
update,
a
longer
presentation
on
that
beaver
view,
ford
site,
particularly
a
little
bit
of
a
deeper
dive
into
what
the
purpose
build
communities
model
is
so
that
we're
able
to
give
input
on
the
process
that
the
city
staff
is
developing
around
community
input
on
that
and
kind
of
the
scope
and
scale
of
that
project.
K
Andy,
I
can
definitely
bring
in
some
folks
from
purpose
built
to
walk
through
that.
Absolutely
so
I
can
try
to
bring
somebody
in
in
june.
Our
contact
with
purpose
built
evan
smith,
I
believe,
is
his
last
name.
We
can
definitely
bring
him
in
and
talk
about,
purpose
built
and
then
I
think
regarding
like
the
bigger
picture
there.
I
think
some
of
that's
still
being
discussed,
but
I
can
certainly
bring
any
update.
I
I
can
andy
absolutely
yep.
It
doesn't.
E
K
Sure
I
will
take
a
look
at
maybe
starting
with
purpose
built
and
then
after
that,
look
at
bringing
in
the
some
other
other
partners.
A
Okay,
I
see
there's
several
several
items
in
the
community
development.
In
your
update
that
I
know,
we've
got
separate
discussions
on.
They
say
that
you
know
the
down
payment.
This
idea
of
short-term
rental
for
affordable
pine
view
update
restaurant
court,
so
we'll
cover
those.
You
know
a
little
more
detail
down
the
road,
I'm
just
taking
a
quick
look
see.
If
I
have
any
questions,
I
guess
on
the
the
city.
Do
you
know
what's
up
at
the
city
owned
individual
parcels?
A
K
Muted,
thanks
barry.
I
believe
there
was
a
meeting
on
that
last
week
and
nikki
will
be
talking,
nikki
reed,
our
interim
community
and
economic
development
director.
I
think
we'll
be
talking
a
little
bit
more
about
that
at
hcd,
and
then
I
can
bring
an
update
back
to
you
all
further
update.
K
A
A
E
One
other
question:
I
know
back
pre-coveted
we
were
working
on
staff,
was
working
on
a
bond
expenditure
dashboard
and
a
way
to
track
how
we
were
against
the
timeline
of
the
of
the
bond
period.
E
I
know
that
there's
been
a
million
other
things,
but
it's
still
on
my
mind
that
the
clock
is
ticking
on
our
bond
allocations
and
I
see
things
you
know
like
the
the
ford
site
being
purchased
with
cdbg
programming
come
instead
of
bond
funds
and
the
dpa
has
been
delayed.
That's
but
you
know
I'm
worried
about
the
bond
expenditure
and
maybe
I'm
the
only
one
but
I'd
love
to
see.
E
You
know
something
similar
to
what
we
were
working
on
a
year
and
a
half
ago
with
a
way
to
track
the
expenditure
of
bond
funds
against
the
timeline.
K
Sure
nikki
reed
and
I
are
working
on
an
update
for
that
as
well.
So
we'll
have
something
we
still
have
two
and
a
half
years
left
for
that
bond
funding
which
isn't
a
lot
of
time
but
is
in
some
eyes
a
lot
of
time.
But
we
can
do
that
for
sure
as
well.
D
K
I
don't
believe
that
parcel
has
officially
closed
yet,
and
I
do
believe
that
currently
their
council
agreed
to
use
some
funds
from
white
labs
to
purchase
that
parcel.
I
think
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
that
in
the
upcoming
council
meetings.
I
think
there's
some
environmental
work
being
done
out
there
and
some
agreements
still
being
regarding
that
funding,
but
you
should
hear
more
about
the
tower
live
the
next
I
would
say
three
months,
but
it
has
not
closed
yet
margie.
C
A
Any
paul
are
you
doing
anything
separate
on
this
beyond
the
regular
up?
You
know
we
have
this,
this
cdbg
cv
updates.
Are
you
do?
Do
you
have
something
to
say
specific
about
those?
Are
you
just
looking
for
questions
from
us
on
those
and
the
homeless
updates
too.
K
Just
any
questions
at
the
moment,
because
we
have
kind
of
a
heavy
agenda
barry
I
figured
I'd
just
go
with
questions
and
hopefully
all
the
information
y'all
are
looking
for
is
there.
I've
got
some
marching
orders
for
the
next
couple
months
of
meetings
with
purpose
built
and
the
lots
and
bond
dollars,
but
hopefully
everything
else
is
kind
of
covered
for
you.
C
A
All
right
moving
on
then,
so
we
sent
the
list
of
available
houses
under
275
000.
As
long
as
the
some
of
the
sales
reports
from
buncombe
and
asheville
are
some
pretty
sobering
data,
and
all
of
that
you
know,
inventory
just
doesn't
exist.
You
know
we.
We
know
that,
but
you
know
we
watched
it's
good
as
we
watch
these
numbers.
They
just
keep
shrinking
and
shrinking
of
available
and
then
the
the
prices
keep
coming
up
and
up,
and
then
you
know,
obviously
we
have
this.
A
You
know
the
the
you
know.
It's
not
really
part
of
this,
but
what's
affecting
this
is
you
know?
Lumber
prices
are
just
soaring
right
now,
so
this
is
definitely
going
to
affect
future
inventory
that
you
know
that
builders
are
trying
to
do
that.
You
know
with
land
land
very
little
land,
less
than
100
000
dollars
in
the
city
and
then
with
a
2x4
2x4
stick
of
lumber
right
now,
I'm
considered
a
volume
builder
and
my
price
is
7.98
per
stick
which
is
obscene.
A
So
that's
we're
going
to
be
feeling
this.
You
know
that's
going
to
definitely
affect
everything
you
know
inventory
of
what
builders
are
doing
over
the
next
year
or
so,
and
I
don't
have
I
I
haven't
heard
anything
you
know.
There's
been
talk
about
some
of
that
lumber
prices
coming
down,
but
there's
now
there's
a
shortage
of
kind
of
resins,
which
means
that
the
last
week
there
was
no
there's
one
of
the
major
vendors
in
town
was
completely
sold
out
of
lp
siding,
which
is
a
very
standard
sighting
used
in
town.
A
D
No
baby,
I
was
just
going
to
add
it's
lumber,
of
course,
is
the
critical
one,
but
it's
also
windows.
We've
gotten
several
letters
of
major
increases
on
windows,
door,
knobs,
hvac
drywall
I
mean
it
is
the
list
just
goes
on
and
on
and
on,
and
not
only
the
pricing,
but
you
can't
get
it
and
it's
like
three
to
six
months
to
get
some
of
the
things
that
you
need.
So
people
are
trying
to
buy
a
head
and
it's
very
hard
to
do
that.
G
H
And
this
is
scott
I'll.
Just
make
a
note
that
if
you
want
to
become
a
millionaire
these
days
open
a
sawmill,
we
have
plenty
of
timber,
not
enough
lumber.
There's
an
article
talking
about
you
know
the
southeast.
We
have
so
much
timber,
but
not
enough
sawmills
in
the
northwest.
It's
kind
of
a
more
complicated
thing
of
canada
and
oregon
washington,
but
yeah
I've
seen
the
figure
you
know
basically
you're
looking
at
25
to
anywhere
from
25
to
40
000
increase
just
for
lumber
on
a
basic
new
house.
K
Barry
we've
talked
about
this.
It's
paul
here
with
community
development
from
a
community
development
city
perspective.
It
is
super
concerning
these
home
prices.
The
data
that
came
out
of
the
boeing
report
last
year,
which
continues
is
where
home
ownership
you
know,
was
inching
up
the
income
chart.
It
seems
to
be
doing
more
than
that
these
days
to
where
folks
household
incomes
below
eighty
thousand
dollars
are
might
be
lifetime
renters
and
we're
really.
K
The
data
shows
pushing
people
into
being
lifetime
runners
and
the
opportunity
of
wealth
building
is
a
real
problem
and
it's
difficult
to
come
up
with
solutions
in
a
market
like
this
right
now
that
the
data
seems
to
say
will
last
another
12
to
18
months,
at
least
so
very
concerned.
The
calls
we
get
from
citizens,
let
alone
developers
talking
about
the
costs.
K
So
a
little
bit
out
of
solutions
on
this
one
and
very
concerned
about
the
community
aspects
of
wealth
building,
as
well
as
even
finding
a
way
to
subsidize
with
developers.
So
a
real
struggle
from
our
department.
C
A
Yeah,
it's
it's
bad
right
now
and
it's
it's!
You
know
it's
like
we've
the
gap
we
were
talking
about.
What
you
know.
Assistance
is
needed
at
one
point
is
basically
that's
it's
gonna
that
those
numbers
are
gonna
be
changing
because
yeah,
I
think
you
know,
for
the
average
size
house.
I
think
they're
saying
it's
now
well
for
an
app
like
a
2400
square
foot
house.
I
think
it's
like
24
000,
more
per
house
just
in
material
costs,
and
that
was
today
you
know
now
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
go
up.
A
It
means
for
smaller
houses.
It's
still
12
15
000,
more
per
house,
which
is
you
know,
a
big
amount
and
yeah
and
we'll
be
talking
later
on
the
agenda
about
some
specific
projects
that
are
probably
were
approved.
That
won't
be
able
to
move
forward
because
of
that
yeah.
It's
kind
of
lumber
lumber's.
You
know
one
article
saying
lumber's
than
the
new
gold.
A
The
lumber
is
really
like
the
new
bitcoin,
it's
dogecoin,
so
yeah,
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
problem,
any
other
discussions
or
anyone
want
to
put
any
more
input
in
on
that.
H
This
is
scott
I'll.
Just
make
a
quick
note.
I
had
actually
emailed
with
paul
and
barry.
I
had
gotten
a
an
invite
from
the
dogwood
health
trusts
on
a
housing
survey,
paul
just
to
clarify
my
understanding
that
they're
they're
essentially
undertaking
in
18
county
western
north
carolina
boeing
report
now
right.
K
Yeah,
that's
correct
scott.
They
are
doing
that
larger
western
north
carolina
survey.
We've
been
in
touch,
but
I
I
think
if
anyone
individually
wants
to
add
some
comments
to
that
survey,
please
if
you
received
it
for
us,
we've
been
an
email
that
they
feel
like
they've
got
enough
data
right
now
from
the
what
they
got
last
year.
K
However,
we
put
the
offer
on
the
table
scott,
that
if
they
wanted
to
regroup
closer
to
the
report,
please
give
us
a
call
and
we're
happy
to
share
some
information
so
we'll
see
but
yeah
they're
doing
a
larger,
a
larger
study.
There
will
be
interesting.
D
I
just
might
mention
this
is
hendersonville
city
council
is
tonight,
and
they
are
voting
on
a
750
000
program
for
affordable
housing
in
hendersonville.
So
I'm
going
to
try
to
to
be
on
that
and
to
to
at
least
listen,
listen
to
it.
K
Barry,
if
I
can
add
a
little
bit
of
a
bright
spot
on
a
positive
note,
it
looks
like
haywood
county
is
grouping
with
a
couple
other
counties
to
apply
for
hud,
home
funding
and
rutherford
county
and
polk
county
and
two
others
down.
My
way
are
also
grouping
for
a
application
for
hud
home
funding,
so
home
funding
from
hud
mostly
goes
towards
the
construction
or
rehabilitation
of
affordable
housing
or
tenant
based
rental
assistance.
K
So,
as
the
affordable
housing
crisis
furthers
out
into
other
counties,
they
may
have
a
new
tool
to
help
with
affordable
housing
in
our
surrounding
counties.
So,
but
a
bit
of
good
news
that
those
counties
are
are
looking
to
get
home.
Funding.
A
Yeah,
that's
great
thanks.
Yeah
I've
seen
more
and
more
of
marketing
of
property
in
haywood
county
and
out
by
old
ford,
even
morganton,
as
you
know,
promoting
as
bedroom
communities
for
asheville
even
further,
because
that's
the
you
know
the
land
is
still
not
inexpensive
there.
But
you
know
it's
almost
out
of
touch
here
right
now,
all
right
anything
else
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
unfinished
business
section.
A
So
we
are
going
to
get
a
update
on
down
payment
assistance
I'll
let
paul
kind
of
share
what
he
can
on
that
and
we'll
try
not.
I
know
it's
taken
up
many
of
our
past
meetings,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
get
an
update
and
move
on.
You
know
so.
K
With
down
payment
assistance,
we,
as
you
all
know,
put
that
out
to
rfp
right
before
covet,
happened
and
and
picked
mountain
housing
opportunity
as
our
choice
to
move
forward
with
down
payment
assistance,
they
had
requested
a
couple
changes
to
our
policy
to
mirror
the
work
that
they
do
regarding
the
appreciation
return
rate
as
well
as
not
making
it
a
grant
or
reliefing
any
funds.
K
At
any
point,
during
the
mortgage
all
those
discussions
that
have
happened
over
the
last
year,
working
with
city
management,
there
we
will
be
going
back
out
to
rfp
request
for
proposal
here,
hopefully
in
the
next
two
to
three
to
four
weeks,
with
basically
a
very
similar
policy
that
we
have
right
now,
which
is
kind
of
a
hybrid
model
which
was
forgiveness
at
10
every
year
from
years
21
to
30..
K
And
then,
if
you
were
in
the
house
for
30
years,
the
down
payment
assistance
would
be
granted
so
under
direction
with
city
management.
We're
going
to
continue
with
a
hybrid
model
and
see
if
going
back
out
to
rfp
could
gather
any
additional
interest
from
other
partners.
K
I
think
that
there
may
be
some
slight
changes
to
the
policy,
nothing
official
that
we'll
do.
I
think,
because
I
think
we
want
to
wait
to
see
who
comes
back
with
what
we
can
work
with,
but
perhaps
a
little
adjustment
in
that
cyborg
model
to
maybe
the
forgiveness
starts
in
year
15
and
something
like
that
and
and
then
we
will
go
back
out
to
rfp.
I
think
for
another
part
of
the
question
barry
that
I
might
not
be
answering.
A
K
Most
likely,
as
in
as
is
with
a
couple
notes
on
potential
changes
to
see
if
that
can
entice
some
people
to
join,
to
put
in
a
proposal
to
run
the
down
payment
assistance
program.
Okay,
andy.
E
K
I
might
not
have
heard
that
andy,
so
I
apologize
that.
I
haven't
heard
that
but
yeah
there
is
like,
as
an
example,
mho's
request
did
include
administration
funding
to
administer
the
funding
so
yeah.
That's
absolutely
a
possibility
and
part
of
the
criteria
of
how
much
you
know.
Somebody
needs
to
administer
the
program,
but
yeah
there
would
be
funding
for
that.
H
Will
there
will
there
be
any
kind
of
either
financial
modeling
or
a
comparison
of
the
two
programs
in
terms
of,
I
guess,
the
financial
sustainability
of
them
and
also
the
I
guess,
the
potential
number
of
applicants
that
one
system
could
help
versus
the
other
previous
proposal
was
a
lot
stronger
in
terms
of
being
more
reliable
in
terms
of
a
revolving
trust
fund
and
potentially
for
numbers
of
people
that
it
kind
of
just
quite
common
question.
K
Sure,
and
obviously,
as
you
all
were
at
the
table
for
the
discussion,
if
it
was
a
grant
model,
we
estimated
that
we
would
be
helping
probably
around
20
family
families
give
or
take
with
the
model
that
was
proposed
with
mho,
which
the
appreciation
model.
It
would
have
been
a
trust
that
continued
and
adding
funding
to
it.
Since
none
of
that
funding
would
be
granted
a
hybrid
model,
scott
may
be
difficult
to
figure
out
how
long
that
will
last.
K
From
what
I
understand,
so
it
just
all
depends,
but
I
believe
that
city
management
and
city
likes
this
kind
of
hybrid
model
to
reward
folks
that
are
are
in
the
community
for
a
period
of
time
with
to
decrease
our
grant
funding
so
again
kind
of
a
little
back
to
the
drawing
board
there
to
get
that
back
out.
Hopefully,
we'll
do
another
outreach
effort
like
we
did
last
time
to
try
to
get
people
to
apply
and
answer
questions.
D
Paul,
can
we
I
mean:
is
the
rfp
going
out
throughout
the
southeast?
Is
it
specific
people?
How
is
it
being
distributed.
K
So
we
last
time
we
worked
not
only
with
the
city
website,
but
I
think
we
also
shared
it
out
with
with
our
community
development
listserv
to
stakeholders
and
then
on
north
some
north
carolina
website.
I
also
believe
it
went
on
the
what
is
that
the
iedc
website
as
well,
which
I
the
southeast
economic
development.
So
if
anyone
has
any
suggestions
for
a
further
reach
to
get
this
out
there,
we
will.
We
will
gladly
listen
to
that
to
see
if
we
can
to
outreach,
hopefully
we'll
get
some
local
or
regional
folks
interested
as
well.
K
A
That,
okay,
we'll
be
good
to
see
that
moving
along,
even
if
it's
just
setting
the
clock
back
and
restarting
next
step,
so
the
agenda
says
to
add
two
seats,
but
we're
actually
going
to
be
adding
three
seats,
because
we
unfortunately
received
news
from
miss
parker
smith
that
she's
going
to
be
leaving
our
committee
after
many
years.
Parker.
Can
you.
J
My
my
story
is
that
I
am
taking
a
new
position
that
is
focused
on
the
medicaid
transformation.
That's
going
on,
so
I
will
be
starting
june
1st.
My
funding
will
not
allow
me
to
attend
these
meetings.
It's
a
state-funded
position,
so
it's
very
strict.
J
I
have
talked
with
the
co-directors
of
the
housing
team
at
pisgah
legal
and
they
either
of
them
would
be
happy
to
apply
if
you
would
still
like
the
legal
perspective,
so
I'm
going
to
encourage
them
to
put
in
applications,
but
I've
certainly
enjoyed
being
on
the
committee.
I'm
sorry
to
have
to
leave
it,
but
you
all
are
wonderful
and
you'll
continue
to
be
wonderful
without
me,.
A
Yeah,
we'll
certainly
miss
you,
and
certainly
you
know
miss
that
direct
connection
with
with
you
know,
pistol
legal.
I
think
that
yeah,
because
of
the
way,
the
timing
of
the
notice
and
because
we
had
that
open
seat
boards
and
commit
commissions
used.
You
know
instead
of
re-advertising
your
seat,
since
we
had
open
advertising
and
we
had
received
applications.
I
think
I
think
they
I
think
the
this
is
well.
A
I
think,
like
the
board's
commission
will
decide
that
you
know
they're
meeting,
but
the
city
clerk
said:
let's,
you
know,
make
three
recommendations
and
try
to
fill
three
seats.
J
A
So
with
that
so
we've
got
you
know,
we've
got
the
I'm
gonna
try
to
pull
up
the
applicant
package,
but
but
we
sent
it
out
to
everybody
on
the
committee
we
have.
I
believe
I
think
it
was
like
16..
I'm
sorry,
there's
someone
right
from
me.
I
have
to
pull
it
up
on
a
computer,
but
we
we
had
a
fair
amount
of
applicants.
A
We've
got
three
seats
from
what
we
had
decided
we
were
going
to
do
is
one
of
those
seats
we're
going
to
put
towards
the
actual
housing
authority,
and
I
think
we
do
have
one
applicant
from
there
and
then
we
had
one
open
seat.
You
know
one
just
kind
of
open
seat
for
to
fill
one
of
our
guidelines,
and
now
we
have
you
know
another.
So
does
anyone
have
any
comments
or
thoughts
on
our
applicants
the
way
so
the
way
this
process
works
is
the.
A
I
is
the
board
chair
and
margie
the
vice
chair.
We
make
the
recommendations
to
the
city
clerk,
which
then
pass
on
to
boards
and
committee
for
their
for
their
meeting.
We
have
to
make
our
recommendations
by.
I
think
the
end
of
the
day
today
is
when
we
have
to
let
them
know
what
our
thoughts
are,
our
thoughts
and
it's
it
and
it's
not
it's
not
automatically.
Who
is
accepted,
but
it's
you
know
we
make
a
recommendation,
they
take
that
into
account
and
then
make
their
decision
and
then
that
passes
on
to
council.
A
Does
anyone
have
any
thoughts,
they'd
like
to
add
on
any
anyone
that
they
know
or
would
you
know,
recommend
on
there?
You
know,
and
I
know
we
do-
have
the
housing
authorities
some.
You
know
somebody
did
apply
from
that.
Any
other
thoughts
on
any
other
applicants
that
you'd
like
to
share
that
you
might
want
to
recommend.
We
recommend.
G
G
Folks
that
looked
very
qualified
and
and
full
of
energy
for
help
what
specific
skill
sets
do
you
think
we
lack
in
our
committee
at
this
point.
A
You
know,
I
think,
definitely
there's
a
with,
especially
with
kind
of
parker
moving
along.
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
someone
who
represents
kind
of
tenants,
rights
and
rentals.
I
think
that
would
be
an
important
perspective
and
I
think
there
was
a
few
kind
of
case
case
manager,
kind
of
folks
who
had
applied
in
this
round.
When
I
was
looking
through
the
applicants,
I
think
that
would
be
good.
A
D
I
think
he
could
give
great
information
on
land
and
things
that
will
work
and
things
that
won't
work
as
projects
come
along.
A
Okay,
great
yeah
and
and
antoinette
is,
is,
he
is
here
and
antoinette
actually
is
on
on
the
boards
and
committee
boards
and
commissions.
I
think
in
his
committee
so
forgot
to
mention
her
in
our
roll
call,
so
commantinet,
and
also,
I
think
I
saw
joe
stepped
into
the
meeting
too
so
she's
here.
G
Also
noticed
we
had
someone
from
homeward
bound
right
that
seemed
like
it
could
be
a
really
good
fit,
and
the
submission
was
like
really
well
organized
and
well
written.
K
Barry,
I
don't
think
that
community
development
gets
a
a
true
vote
on
this.
It's
all
committee
voted,
which
is
great,
but
I
know
that
I
think
from
our
perspective
we
enjoy
have
the
homeless
perspective.
I
think
is
excellent
as
well
as
somebody
who
can
talk
talk
the
the
pricing
as
well
as
the
process
of
moving
through
the
city,
I
think,
is
really
important
and
then,
with
the
housing
authority,
the
data
that
we
could
that
michelle
moore
could
bring
regarding
voucher
acceptance
occupancy
from
a
public
housing
perspective.
K
I
think,
is
really
helpful
all
to
have
those
real
conversations
about
what's
happening
on
the
ground
and
the
process
of
getting
projects
done.
I
think
it's
very
valuable
to
this
committee
to
continue
with
those
real
realistic
conversations.
It's
been
really
helpful
to
our
division.
I
think,
as
well
as
others
at
the
city.
A
Just
going
to
pull
that,
so
I'm
just
going
through
so
it's
it
looks
like
it's
from
housing
authority,
brandi
woodard
looks
like
she's
the
director
of
the
housing
choice,
voucher
program,
yeah
that
one
stood
out
to
me
too
yeah
and
then
jesse
fergura
is.
A
For
homer,
bound
and
chris
day
is
an
engineer
with
civil
design
concepts.
Is
there
anyone
else
like
if
we
were
gonna
this
for
us
make
a
motion
to
recommend
that
those
would
be
the
three
we
would
recommend
to
appoint?
Is
there
anyone
else
that?
Would
you
want
to
open.
D
E
I
know
later
in
the
meeting
we're
looking
at
some
of
that
subcommittee
work
and
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
a
particular
subcommittee
as
as
you
were
looking
at,
where
people's
interests
would
that
suggest
kind
of
balancing
out
and
having.
A
Yeah
with
that
yeah,
I
think
we
had
yeah
from
my
notes.
We
had
you
know
we're
basically
originally
talking
about
three
committees.
Kind
of
this
bill
develop
and
then
connection,
and
I
and
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
kind
of
fold
together
into
just
create
two
one's
really
more
like
build
it's
about
kind
of
like
the
developing
in
the
building
and
then
for
the
reaching
out
and
definitely
there's
more
people.
A
H
I'll
make
one
more
recommendation
and
we're
just
trying
to
get
a
wider
slate
of
potential
recommendations.
Eric
howell.
He
is
an
architect
just
a
quick,
quick
line
service
application.
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
helpful.
To
certainly
have
you
know,
people
that
are
working
either
in
the
built
or
regulatory
environment
is
that's.
What
housing
ultimately
is.
A
What
are
our
so
there's
two
sorry
I
was
trying
to
I'm
having
to
work
off
my
phone,
I'm
a
little
limited
in
my
resources,
so
I'm
working
off,
I'm
looking
on
my
phone
on
this
on
our
on
our
list
that
the
two
folks
from
housing
authority
who,
who
really
I
see
it's
brandy,
woodard
and
what's
the
other
person.
C
D
D
A
That's
what
I
was
yeah,
that's
what
I
was
a
little
confused,
but
yeah.
So
there's
just
one
applicant
from
housing
authority.
Is
that
correct
and
then
and
then
jessica
goes
with
I'm
around
okay,
okay,
that
makes
more
sense.
Yeah
I
was.
I
was
a
little
confused.
I
don't
remember
I
don't
recall
seeing
two
from
hakka.
C
A
So
that
would
be
so
kind
of
what
he
said
is
so,
if
we're
going
to,
let's
say
we're
going
to,
let's
say
we're
going
to
give
four
names
that
way
we
can
make
four
recommend.
We
can
recommend
four,
and
that
way
we
will
have
some
selections.
So
we're
saying
jessica
brandy
chris
day
and
is
there
a
fourth
person
you
want
to
put
in
the
mix.
G
G
She
was
director
of
of
programs
related
to
affordable
housing
in
hawaii
for
many
years
working
in
this
space,
so
that
that
was
what's
her
last
name,
kathleen.
G
G
A
E
I
don't
I,
I
wrote
her
name
down
to
reach
out
to
her.
If
we
didn't,
we
didn't
bring
her
on
this
committee,
so
cool.
A
All
right,
so
here's
what
so
I
mean
really.
This
is
just
a
guidance
that
we
can
recommend,
but
we
can
that
way,
show
our
committees,
our
committees
behind
it.
So
I
would
put
together
a
motion
that
we
recommend
the
four
people
we
recommend
to
be
considered
for
the
three
seats.
B
Yeah
I've
been
trying
to
speak
here
for
a
minute.
I
first
was
going
to
ask
what
paul
asked
at
the
very
beginning,
what
specific
expertise
were
you
looking
for?
One
thing
I
see
lacking
if
we're
opening
up
more
seats
is
people
that
don't
necessarily
have
you
know
who
aren't
in
the
business
of
development
or
finance
or
whatever,
but
people
who
are
in
our
community
who
know
what
it's
like
to
be
out
here
just
trying
to
make
it
day
by
day,
and
I
I
think
zakiyah
rogers
was
on
that
list.
B
I
would
like
to
see
more
diversity
around
folks,
like
myself,
like
I'm
on
here,
because
I'm
a
renter
on
disability.
You
know
I'm
on
the
board
with
the
land
trust,
so
I'm
more
from
an
experience
of
why
we
need
the
affordable
housing
and
what
it
looks
like
not
having
access
to
that.
A
No,
I
do
agree,
we
need
that
dimension
and
that
you
know
and-
and
I
do
think
so-
I'm
just
again
looking
at
my
phone.
F
C
A
Well,
how
did
we
could
here's
our
options?
We
could
do
we
could
you
know
this
is
kind
of.
Basically,
this
is
just
us
making
recommendations.
We
could
submit
four
names,
we
can
submit
the
five
names
I
mean.
I
see
the
benefit
of
that.
I
also
see
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
with
with
jessica.
I
think
some
of
those
that
could
be
a
similar
skill.
You
know
similar
dimension.
It
brings
to
the
committee.
A
Think
we
saw
sue,
I
see
someone's
raised
a
hand
up
if
that's
a
public
member.
M
Hey
my
name
is
laura
near
and
I
just
started
three
weeks
ago,
but
I
did
work
with
zakiyah
rogers
at
helpmate
for
a
while,
and
she
was
an
amazing
resource.
She
was
always
the
person
you
went
to
when
you
had
questions
and
she
just
genuinely
cared
about
this
community.
C
A
Yeah,
that's
what
I
was.
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
So,
let's,
let's
make
a
motion,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
trying
to
put
all
these
names
together
on
my
little
phone
here
to
make
them
okay,
make
to
make
much
that
we
recommend
for
our
three
seats,
the
following
four.
C
A
With
that,
okay,
great
all
right
thanks
thanks
all.
I
appreciate
that
it's
very
rare
that
we
actually
all
have
the
opportunity
to
chime
in
on
this,
because
usually
it's
not
like
the
the
applicant
like
the
applicant
packages,
were
due
two
days
ago.
They
came
in
and
then
we
have
to
make
a
recommendation
in
two
days.
A
A
A
I
have
to
remember
that
task
forces
and
it's
gonna
be
build,
which
will
be
about
for
helping
with
technical
knowledge
and
the
process
for
developing
land
and
building
and
the
specifics
along
with
building
in
the
city
and
then
for
connect,
which
is
for
reaching
out
to
the
public
for
those
who
you
know
for,
for
those
who
need
support
and
helping
to
bring
feedback
back
to
us
how
we
could
help
further.
A
So
so,
if
we
could,
you
know,
I
do
have
some
notes
from
last
time
and
we'll
actually
have
some
new
members,
but
let's
officially
make
a
motion
to
create
those
two
committees
and
then
I'll
ask
for
a
raise
of
hands
for
who
would
like.
Let
me
let
me
actually
do
the
raise
of
hands
for
who
would
like
to
be
on
it
first.
That
way,
when
we
do
the
motion,
we
could
point
those
to
our
task
force
and
then,
when
the
new
members
come
on,
we
can
do
that.
A
A
A
It's
about
process
for
developing
and
building
in
the
city
and
the
others
can
be
connecting,
which
is
which
is
more
connecting
with
the
public
getting
the
some
of
the
needs
that
you
know
the
feedback
needs
back
to
us
and
helping
helping
us
to
reach
out,
because
I
think
there's
definitely
things
about
reaching
out
to
the
community
that
sometimes
we
all
could
we
could
do
better,
and
so
that
will
be
relying
on
this.
You
know
subcommittee
to
help
with,
for
some
more
of
that.
L
Hey
barry,
this
is
joe.
I
have
a
question
sure
what
happened
to
the
land
committee.
I
know
I
missed
the
last
meeting,
but
in
my
previous
notes
I
had
that
as
another
one
of
them.
We.
A
Thanks
yeah
just
rather
because
there
seemed
like
there
was
there
was.
It
was
kind
of
split,
and
I
think,
there's
enough,
there's
enough
crossover
between
the
two.
So
we're
going
to
kind
of
merge
what
was
originally
land
and
build,
merge
them
together
and
just
we
call
the
build
and
then
the
other
one
in
the
connect.
A
Joe
okay,
so
for
the
build,
then
the
hands,
I'm
seeing
were
me
margie
scott,
and
then
that
would
be
the
connect
would
be
everybody
else.
So
so
that
does
show
like
is,
to
your
point,
andy
we're
a
little
lighter
on
one
two,
three,
four,
four,
a
little
lighter
on
the
build
so
yeah.
Hopefully
we
could
get
a
seat.
You
know
this.
One
of
the
seats
will
be
someone
who
could
help
with
that,
because
there
I
think,
process,
process
of
building
and
developing
is
a
really
important
thing
that
that
we
could
technically.
H
A
B
We
had
mentioned
a
couple
months
ago.
I
thought
a
subcommittee
around
the
dpa
is
that
incorrect.
A
I
think
it
I
think,
it'll
I
think,
with
what's
going
on
rather
to
be
a
separate
subcommittee,
we
kind
of
need
to
watch
what's
up
with
it,
because
there's
so
many
other
things
that
are
playing
into
what's
up.
What's
going
on
with
it
that
there's,
I
don't
know
how
much
I
really
don't
know
how
much
guidance
we
can
offer
them
right
now.
I
think
we
need
to
see
where
it
goes.
It's
basically
going
out.
A
A
Okay,
so
with
that,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
create
two
subcommittees:
a
build
committee
and
a
connect
committee,
the
build
committee.
Initial
appointments
will
be
myself
margie,
paul,
heathman
and
scott,
and
we
create
a
connect
committee
which
members
will
be
andy,
babbs
amber
and
joe,
and
then,
when
the
new
committee
members
join,
we'll
pull
them.
A
Great
okay,
if
everyone
just
raises
their
hand
I'll
do
that
as
a
roll
call
vote
for
that
to
a
motion
to
approve
great.
A
All
right,
moving
on
pine
view,
update
which
kind
of
ties
back
with
the
community
development
updates.
You
know
just
a
little
background.
Paul
will
share,
but
pineview
is
one
of
those
that
was
approved
by
hcd
for
housing,
trust
fund,
it's
a
project
just
off
state
street
and
again
with
lumber
prices
coming
up,
we've
heard
that
there
may
be
some
challenges
with
that
paul.
Can
you
share
what
you
got.
K
Sure
definitely
so
again,
paul
with
here
with
community
development.
So
pineview
was
one
of
the
the
groups.
K
We
were
very
excited
to
work
with
similar
to
the
juno
group,
where
we
were
using
housing,
trust
fund
to
seed
home
ownership
for
our
homes
at
or
below
275
000
for
individuals
or
families
at
eighty
percent
area,
meaning
income
or
less
very
similar
to
what
unfortunately
happened
with
the
juno
group,
with
these
increasing
costs
of
making
the
balance
sheet
and
the
pro
forma
difficult
to
happen,
pineview,
which
you
could
come
forward
for
a
1.2
million
dollar
loan
for
home
ownership,
80
ami
same
thing:
they
are
struggling
with
cost
at
the
moment.
K
I
think
it
their
their
group
aaron
palmer
and
his
group
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
the
solutions,
but
with
the
cost
increases,
I
think
that
their
profit
margin
was
cut
by
67,
but
they
can't
make
that
pencil.
At
the
moment,
however,
they
are
committed
to
trying
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution,
so
there
is
discussion
that
we're
having
with
them
at
the
moment
to
pivot
to
another
property
and
possibly
take
the
1.2
million
loan.
K
We
have
back
to
hcd
and
see
if
we
can
move
that
award
to
this
other
property,
where
there
would
be
a
chance
to
do
more,
affordable
homes
than
just
the
12
that
were
in
the
original
development
deal.
So
us
aaron,
palmer
and
his
crew
are
still
at
the
table.
K
Mary
brooke
from
my
team
and
myself,
I've
been
trying
to
work
with
them
regarding
these
price
increases
and
we're
hoping
that
we
can
bring
something
to
hcd,
probably
in
june.
I
think
it's
the
june
15th
meeting,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
hopefully
we
can
bring
something
back
and
pivot.
K
This
group
again
goes
back
to
this
very
concerning
issue
about
the
cost
of
homes
and
the
price
points,
and
and
making
things
work
for
developers,
even
at
100
ami,
so
more
to
come,
but
we
are
trying
to
pivot
here
and
hopefully
have
something
to
bring
to
hcd
in
june.
H
K
Yeah,
it
was
going
to
be
the
12
condominiums,
with
the
manufacturer.
Build
yes
right
right.
K
I
think
there's
potential
in
this
pivot,
so
I
hope
that
we
can
do
still
do
something
around
home
ownership
here
with
our
housing
trust
fund
dollars.
A
Oh
cool
yeah,
that's
yeah,
really,
sorry,
sorry
to
hear-
and
I
think
again,
we'll
we'll
kind
of
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
of
new
business,
because
it's
also
one
of
the
idea
of
the
some
of
these
projects.
These
housing
trust
fund
projects,
don't
really
run
through
us
for
discussion
before
and
I
think
there's
some
there's
some
things
that
we
we
as
a
committee
maybe
could
help
vet
a
little
bit
better
and
provide
a
little
bit
of
you
know
our
our
backgrounds
and
information.
A
For
some
of
these
you
know,
maybe
for
helping
you
compile
some
of
those
staff
reports
with
stuff
before
it
gets
to
hcd,
but,
yes,
sorry
to
hear,
but
it
yeah
it's
it's
a
tough
game
out
there
right
now,
any
other
questions
about
the
pine
view.
A
K
No
just
please
share
within
your
networks.
I
you
know,
as
we
struggle
with
home
ownership
theme
of
the
day
right
now,
if
we
can
do
a
better
job
of
balancing
the
rental
household
budget
and
better
align
folks
housing
costs
with
their
overall
housing
budget.
It's
a
start.
It
gives
them
a
chance
to
balance
that
household
budget
perhaps
put
money
away
to
save
for
a
down
payment,
but
a
lot
of
resources.
Thanks
to
everybody
on
this
committee
and
then
some
the
community,
everyone
sent
in
their
suggestions.
K
We
enhanced
the
resource
section
a
bit
and
just
really
excited
to
get
that
that
out
there
again,
we
can't
do
anything
on
homeownership.
At
the
moment,
we
we
treat
rental
homeownership
the
same.
I
if
we
can
help
balance
that
house,
those
housing
costs
and
household
budget.
Please
take
a
look
at
this
list
and
there
there's
projects
upcoming
too,
that
are
on
there
in
the
updates
the
work
session
that
we
did
for
city
council
on
january
26th,
there's
a
373,
affordable
units
in
development.
K
A
A
K
That's
just
ben's
the
one
who's
trying
to
work
through,
as
kind
of
our
example
of
working
through
the
process
of
the
city,
an
info
developer,
wanting
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution
for
affordable
housing,
the
struggles
that
he's
had
here
and
there
he
could
not
make
it
today.
I
don't
think
he
was
able
to,
but
we
want
to
keep
him
on
there.
He
is
hoping
to
come
back
with
a
trust
fund
loan
at
some
point
point
barry.
K
So
he
may
be
an
example
of
where,
if
you,
if
you
all
want
to
vet
that
a
little
bit
at
this
committee
that
that
could
be
helpful,
but
ben's
got
a
couple.
Things
he's
working
on
for
some
infill
development
for
affordable
rental,
great.
A
Yeah,
it's
a
it's!
It's
really
really
hard
right
now,
every
like
every
time
I
get
a
lumber
bill.
I
just
cringe
okay.
So
the
next
next
item
is
about.
Oh
just
our
housing
challenges
and
code,
that's
which
is
really
that's
kind
of
some
of
those.
Are
the
specifics
we're
going
to
kind
of
take
up
with
the
with
the
build
committee
and
our
connect
committee.
A
So
we
can
really,
unless
there's
any
discussions
on
that,
we
can
really
kind
of
hold
that
until
we
kind
of
work
on
some
of
this
committee
discussions
and
what
we'll,
what
we'll
do
between,
I
think
between
now
and
this
next,
you
know
our
next
meeting
I'll
kind
of
put
an
email
out
to
each
of
you
about
just
some
guidelines
for
the
you
know
for
our
task
forces
so
how
we
can
see
about
getting
together
with
those
and
starting
to
pick.
You
know
what
our
top,
what
are
topics
on
we
want
to?
A
Next
step
planning
open
space
amendment
task
force-
I
think
it's
that's
the
one
scott
and
margie
are
on
there
any
updates
or
things
you'd
like
to
share
with
us.
From
that.
I
appreciate
to
hear.
D
There's
a
lot
of
detail
and
I
think
scott
is
you-
know,
he's
working
very
hard
on
some
things,
but
it's
a
group
of
very
diverse
people
and
we
all
have
different
intersections,
but
we're
trying
to
figure
out
open
space
for
subdivisions
versus
multi-family
in
the
urban
setting
versus
in
a
not
urban
setting
and
how
much
open
space
should
be
required,
given
that
the
land
spaces
are
so
small
and
sometimes
not
really
great
for
building,
and
so
how?
D
How
do
we
accomplish
having
open
space
and
what
is
included?
What
does
open
space
really
mean
and
how
I
mean
if
you
only
if
you're
going
to
have
x
number
of
units,
what's
the
amount
of
open
space,
you
should
have
for
the
different
levels
of
units
and
if
you
don't
have
open
space,
should
you
be
doing
fee
in
lieu
of,
and
the
tree
thing
has
really
come
into
play
a
lot
in
our
discussions.
Scott,
you
chime
in.
H
Sure
so
I'll,
just
second,
what
margie
was
noting?
I
mean
I'm
I'm
keeping,
and
I
I'm
definitely
bringing
an
eye
with
dimensional
standards,
square
footage
requirements
and
how
that
really
impacts.
You
know
real
life
build
sites.
We
were
looking
at
an
example
early
on
from
a
it
was
a
12
unit
proposal
in
place
in
west
asheville,
and
the
current
open
space
standards
just
made
the
project.
You
know
un
infeasible.
H
H
If
you
are
adding
on
open
space
versus
trying
to
you
know,
have
things
like
stormwater,
rain,
gardens
or
landscape
buffers
perhaps
do
double
duty,
as
that
say,
if
you've
got
a
bench
in
a
landscape
buffer.
That's
a
very
specific
example,
something
that
we
discussed
with
cities
have
in
our
last
meeting.
So
I
think
we're
having
a
lot
of
good
discussion.
H
It
is
balancing
that,
because
you
know
diverse
range
of
stakeholders
from
the
task
force.
Trees
are
definitely
a
a
big
discussion
and
I
I
like
trees
as
much
as
anybody
else,
but
I'm
definitely
also
being
representative
for
housing
and
shelter
for
humans.
So
just
trying
to
balance
all
that
out
and
I
think
we've
got
vadilla
sabika
from
the
planning
department
on
the
call.
I
don't
know
if
he
was
going
to
speak
or
just
just
listening
in,
but
a
good,
robust
discussion.
So.
A
Far
has
there
been
is
in
these
discussions?
Is
there
thresholds
that
are
being
discussed
like
will
this?
What
project
size
is
coming
up
as
discussions.
H
And
I've
also
offered
the
comment
that
charlotte
and
raleigh
are
relatively
flat.
Large
spread
out
places,
whereas
the
valley
and
ridge
environment
again
is
trying
to
balance
that
out.
But,
yes,
the
on
the
lower
end.
I
think
it's
the
eight
to
twenty
units.
You
know,
I
think
it's
we're
going
back
to
a
blanket
five
percent
open
space
versus
a
ten
percent.
H
I
know
we
were
definitely
trying
to
simplify
and
standardize
so
that
they're
just
a
lot
more
straightforward
and
predictable
both
for,
I
guess
the
wider
community
of
what
they
would
get
in
terms
of
open
space
and
particularly
for
a
proper
owner
or
a
developer,
so
definitely
just
trying
to
still
keep
the
spirit
and
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
there.
But
trying
to
simplify
and
clarify
things
were
possible.
D
And
we
don't
want
the
fee
in
lieu
which
people
bring
up
a
lot.
We
don't
want
that
to
be
the
go-to.
We
want
open
space
because
with
between
the
tree,
preservation,
which
is,
can
also
be
a
very
hefty
fee
in
lieu.
H
So
and
a
specific
thing
that'll
be
coming
up
specific
to
the
cbd.
The
downtown
area
will
be
the
discussion
of
actually
trying
to
get
a
better
standard
for
street
trees,
so
trying
to
focus
more
on
quality
versus
quantity,
either
of
trees,
or
even
so,
that's
kind
of
an
interesting
discussion.
The
last
meeting
of
folks
from
the
urban
forestry,
commission
and
others-
really,
you
know
focusing
on
the
idea
of
hey.
H
Let's
look
on,
you
know
better
qualities,
but
especially
if
you
can
do
it
in
the
right
way
or
through
spirit
trees,
which
are
so
important
everywhere,
but
particularly
in
the
downtown
environment,
where
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
private
off-site
extra
land
for
open
space.
So
that'll
be
an
item.
That's
coming
up.
A
I
think
I
think
we
yeah
I
was
able
to
get
what
is
the
what's
the
timeline
just
for
curiosity,
when
does
what
is
when
does
something
move
on?
When
is
what's
the
next
steps
with
this?
Just
so,
we
can.
H
I
Yeah,
this
is
vadilla
with
planning
department.
It
depends
on
the
the
task
force.
You
know,
I
think
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress,
the
last
meeting,
so
if
that
holds-
and
we
we
you
know-
stick
with
the
agreement
that
kind
of
rose
to
the
surface-
we're
probably
going
to
go
to
pnz
within
a
month
or
two
okay,.
A
Cool,
I
would
hope
I
guess,
there's
I'm
assuming
there's
some
discussion
just
of
studying
the
effect.
Maybe
the
tree
canopy
ordinance
has
had
on
folks
how
it's
definitely
encouraged
people
to
make
fewer
bigger
lots
than
more
smaller
lots,
but
just
something
I
just
said.
I
don't
know
how
much
has
been
talked
about
studying
the
effect
of
that,
because
it's
another
similar,
it's
a
layer
that
was
added
on.
I
I
A
Thanks
all
moving
on
next
up,
we
have
a
discussion
about
luigi
update
about
preserving
and
protecting
affordable
housing.
I
have
to
apologize
summit.
There
was
a
developer
who
had
asked
to
speak
with
margie
and
I
and
he
was
able
to
have
a
conversation
with
margie.
I
was
not
able
to
be
part
of
that
for
some
personal
reasons,
but
I'm
curious
to
hear
about
this
policy.
I
think
it
could
be
great
paul.
K
Sure,
thanks
barry,
and
so
I
will
try
to
switch
to
my
positive
paul
hat
outside
of
all
this
home
ownership
stuff,
which
is
weighing
me
down.
So
in
the
positive
paul
hat,
we
have
a
luigi
program,
our
lanyards
incentive
grant-
which
I
think
you
all
know-
is
a
property
tax
abatement
in
development
deals
when
they
add
affordable
housing
for
new
construction,
the
community
development
department
and
based
on
the
work
session.
I
think
we're
doing
you
know
an
okay
job.
K
We
could
always
do
better
on
producing
affordable
housing,
but
when
it
comes
to
preserving
and
protecting
affordable
housing,
we're
struggling
the
cash
offers
that
are
happening
out
there
with
houses
that
could
go
to
locals
the
cash
offers
that
are
coming
in
for
smaller,
affordable
rental,
community
complexes
of
12
to
25,
so
preserving,
protecting
and
trying
to
find
a
way
to
do
that
has
been
hard.
There's
been
some
discussion
over
the
last
year
about.
Is
there
a
way
to
possibly
use
the
land,
use
incentive,
grant
to
preserve
or
protect,
affordable
housing?
K
And
then
is
there
a
way
working
with
developers
where
a
market
rate
unit
that
could
or
complex
that
could
come
online
for
sale,
say
100
units?
Is
there
a
way
with
a
lot
of
money
on
the
street
right
now
to
purchase
apartment
complexes
again?
Example:
100
unit
market
rate?
K
Is
there
the
money
out
there,
as
well
as
the
social
capital
investors,
equity
investors,
who
would
be
interested
in
turning
some
of
those
market
units
affordable
so
away
with
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing
noah
that
somebody
could
actually
buy
a
typical
market
rate,
development
and
they're
going
to
add
20
percent
of
those
units
affordable
through
natural
movement
of
the
people
out
of
the
building
as
people
move
on
etc.
So
I
will
share
my
screen
to
show
the
update
that
we
did
to
the
land
news
incentive
grant.
K
K
In
november,
and
basically,
we
added
this
section
here
about
not
only
producing
units
but
preserving
or
protecting,
and
we
tried
to
keep
it
as
simple
as
possible
when
it
came
to
adjusting
this
policy
for
adding
affordable
units
to
existing
to
an
existing
all-market
rate
rental
complex
by
working
with
the
developer,
who
is
actually
on
the
screen,
who
gave
credit
to
tommy
average
with
standard
communities
he's
on
the
call
today,
the
202
number,
who
actually
brought
this
idea
to
us
to
me
about
a
month
ago
and
with
the
conversations
have
happened,
we
took
the
chance
to
see
if
we
could
update
the
policy
for
adding
affordable
units
to
existing
market
rate,
so
to
keep
it
as
simple
as
possible.
K
We
added
these
points
here
for
somebody
taking
an
affordable
unit,
I'm
sorry
a
market
rate
unit
and
making
some
of
them
affordable
for
20
years
or
30
years.
Giving
appropriate
points
back
here
that
could
actually
make
a
property
tax
grant
make
sense
for
the
developer
to
be
able
to
do
this
in
their
pro
forma,
as
well
as
the
bank
and
then
a
little
explanation
here.
When
converting
the
city
would
expect
that
within
two
years
of
the
purchase,
the
minimum
20
affordable
units
would
be
available
through
natural
turnover.
K
The
tax
grant
will
begin
the
year
following
the
minimum,
affordable
units
being
met,
and
I
just
want
to
go
through
the
couple
changes
we
did
here
when
it
comes
to
actually
the
property
taxes
that
would
be
abated.
K
We
would
actually
keep
the
land
value
the
same,
and
this
is
the
good
discussion
we
can
have,
but
the
the
actual
building
value
on
the
the
building.
That's
there.
Those
would
be
granted
back
to
zero,
so
we'd
still
get
property
taxes
on
the
land,
the
current
value
of
the
land,
but
would
it
rebate
back
the
tax
value
and
the
property
taxes
paid
on
the
on
the
bill?
That's
already
there
and
that
running
some
numbers
with
a
developer.
We
think
could
possibly
work.
K
So
not
no,
not
sure,
if
I'm
doing
a
great
job
of
explaining
this,
but
the
bottom
line
is
an
opportunity
to
get
affordable
units
out
of
market
rates
that
are
already
on
the
ground.
We
don't
have
to
wait
for
entitlement
new
construction
or
anything
building's
already
there
through
natural
turnover,
20
of
those
units
could
be
affordable.
K
So
in
that
100
unit
example
20
units,
we
could
get
much
quicker
than
new
construction,
and
this
is
a
way
the
city
of
asheville
possibly
do
a
better
job
with
preserving
and
protecting
affordable
housing,
and
I
think
with
that
everything
else
is
the
same.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
and
I
can
keep
this
up
or
I
could
go
to
screen
whatever
you
prefer.
Barry.
A
Any
yeah,
it's
as
you:
why
don't
we
I?
I
can't
see
people's
hands
if
anyone
has
maybe
take
it,
just
take
it
down
for
a
minute
paul.
Just
if
I
can
see
people
see
what
discussion
there
is
on
it
I
mean
I,
I
think
anything
that
is
going
to
create
more
units,
and
that
fast
is
a
great
it's
a
great
tool.
Scott.
I
see
your
hand
up.
H
K
I
I
am
not
sure
I
know
that
that
project
went
through
pnz
last
night.
It
will
go
back
in
about
a
month,
while
we've
discussed
the
tools
we
have
at
hand
to
help
with
making
20
of
those
units
affordable
on
that
whole
project.
This
does
not
come
up
necessarily
with
the
asheville
arms,
but
they're
aware
that
the
discussion
is
happening.
A
K
And
the
developer
barry
if
it
is
on
the
call
who
brought
this
idea
forward
and
kind
of
wrapped
it
all
up
where
it
comes
from
from
a
developer.
So
if
you
wanted
him
to
pro
to
chat
a
bit,
I
think
he'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
A
E
Yeah
paul,
can
you
just
remind
me
where
we
stand
on
voucher
acceptance
on
luige
projects,
or
that
is
that
a
is
that
a
baseline
for
applicants
for
the
land
use
incentive
grant.
K
E
Do
we
require
voucher
acceptance
on
as
a
part
of
luige
so
that
we
did
as
well.
K
K
Okay,
thank
you
and
tommy.
I
think
you're,
probably
there
we,
I
don't
know
if
I
thought,
of
everything
in
working
on
this
policy,
so
I
greatly
appreciate
the
feedback.
We
try
to
make
it
as
simple
as
possible
as
an
addendum,
but
it's
always
easy
to
miss
something
but
the
concept
I
there
so
far.
The
people,
the
city
that
I've
been
able
to
get
this
in
front
of
like
the
idea
of
the
much
quicker
units
as
well
as
preserving
and
protecting
tommy.
N
Thanks
paul,
this
is
tommy
antridge
with
standard
communities.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
all
about
this
paul.
I
think
you
covered
it
really
well
in
in
our
view,
as
developers
and
folks
that
focus
on
creating
and
preserving
workforce
and
affordable
housing
around
the
country.
We
see
this
as,
as
paul
mentioned,
a
quick
way
to
gain
affordable
housing
and
also
a
way
to
preserve
existing.
N
You
know:
workforce
housing,
a
lot
of
the
properties
that
we've
seen
for
sale
across
the
country
to
fall
in
this
naturally
occurring.
Affordable
housing
bucket
are
marketed
as
value-add
opportunities,
so
a
developer
would
come
in
and
spend
between
call
it
five
thousand
and
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
unit
assuming
that
they
could
raise
rents
in
a
free
market
scenario
by
100
to
300
per
unit
per
month
and
in
markets
like
asheville,
where
the
population
is
growing
and
that
that
seems
more
feasible
and
folks
have
plenty
of
capital
within
that
bucket
to
do
projects
like
that.
N
So
we're
seeing
this
as
a
tool
to
combat
that
and
be
able
to
create
affordability
on
a
site
long
term.
So
we
see
it.
M
N
A
win-win:
it's
it's
part
of
our
mission
as
a
company
to
do
projects
that
do
do
good
in
communities
that
we
operate
in
we've
been
in
nashville
since
2017,
and
really
love
the
community
actively
redeveloping
a
project
called
arrowhead
apartments,
a
116
unit,
senior
tax,
exempt
bond
and
low-income
housing
tax
credit
project.
So
we're
really
excited
about
this
prospect
and
think
that
you
could
do
a
lot
of
good
in
the
city
and
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
about
it.
K
Thanks
tommy,
and
that
is
something
that
we're
seeing
right
now
that
that
tommy
alluded
to
is
people
are
picking
up.
You
know
apartment
complexes
that
are
five
or
ten
or
so
years
old.
We
don't
really
have
a
lot
of
older
stock,
necessarily
but
they're
grabbing
them
they're
doing
that
investment
per
unit
and
then
jumping
the
rents.
You
know
100
or
200
bucks.
This
is
an
example
of
where
we
can,
in
partnership
with
the
developer.
They
can
purchase
them
but
add
the
affordable
units
versus
continually
losing
them
to
even
higher
and
higher
rents.
K
So,
right
now
we're
very
lucky
in
the
fact
that
we
have
a
lot
of
developers
reaching
out
to
us
wanting
to
partner
on
affordable
housing,
as
you
all
know
in
this
group
that
that's
great
that
they
show
up,
but
the
numbers
have
to
work.
K
The
performer
has
to
work
for
the
developer
and
for
the
bank
and
all
of
that
and
then
we're
trying
to
come
in
on
a
subsidy
level
that
makes
sense
we've
identified
as
part
of
our
role
in
affordable
housing
that
the
subsidy
needed
for
keeping
a
unit
affordable
for
20
years
could
be
anywhere
from
80
to
100
to
120
000.
K
The
city's
goal
is
to
be
how
can
we
meet
a
developer
halfway?
So
if
that
subsidy's
80
000
per
unit,
if
we
come
in
with
40
or
50
000
in
subsidy,
is
that
enough
to
get
the
developer
to
take
that
other
part
of
the
30
000
and
40
000,
to
bring
that
in
together
and
then
and
then
you
know
let
the
numbers
work
so
that
they
could
actually
make
the
development
pencil.
It
can
be
tough
to
try
to
balance
that
out,
sometimes
with
one
other
project.
K
You
all
know
that
the
subsidy,
I
think,
came
in
pretty
high
and
we
captured
it
at
80
000,
but
in
the
work
session
we
did
in
january
of
the
373
units.
Our
investment
at
the
city
is
coming
in
at
about
37
000
per
unit.
So
we're
always
looking
to
kind
of
come
in
at
least
halfway
for
our
developers.
So
I
think
ultimately,
the
changes
here
it
will
depend
on
whether
somebody
can
come
in
have
a
deal.
K
Will
it
pencil
and
they
can
use
this
luigi
to
make
it
work,
and
that's
why
it's
always
great
to
work
with
real
examples
and
with
developers
like
the
standard
companies
who
bring
these
forward
to
see
if
the
numbers
can
work
beyond
the
interest
of
doing
the
affordable
housing.
A
K
And
I
think
the
question
would
be:
does
anyone
would
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
vote
here
on
exactly
how
this
works?
I
don't
know
if
I
think
nikki's
on
the
call,
but
I
think
it's
their
emotion
that
you
would
want
to
move
this
forward
to
hcd
and
with
councilwoman
mosley
on
the
call.
Would
she
like
to
see
this
at
hcd?
A
I
could
definitely
see
oca
making
if
that's
yeah.
I
would.
I
could
see
us,
make
the
motion
to
recommend
this
as
a
policy
change.
So
I
I'd
be
happy
to
create
yeah,
have
a
motion
that
that
a
heck
recommends
this
as
a
policy
change
for
luigi
for
a
second,
a
second
great
yeah.
Any
discussion
on
that.
A
Super,
let's
do
a
quick
roll
call,
though
this
one,
I
guess,
is
a
little
more
official.
So
let
me
I'll
do
a
quick
roll
call
and
I
never
quite
understand
if,
like
our
hands
up
is
allowed
to
be
or
if
I
really
have
to
go
through
this
roll
call
every
time.
But
since
this
one
is
a
little
more,
I
guess
official
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
just
do
that
roll
call
just
to
make
sure
we're
meeting
our
meeting
our
requirements
so.
A
C
A
C
C
A
C
B
A
Oh,
I
think
I
think
joe
said
she
went
off
the
call
so
and
that
me
would
be-
and
I
so
that
carries
so-
that
we
can
make
that
recommendation.
I
appreciate
that,
thanks
for
the
reminder
on
the
details,
you
need
paul
all
right
great,
so
next,
step
on
our
gender
is
about
development
projects
seeking
housing,
trust
fund
dollars
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
loop
that,
together
with
this
restaurant
court
development
update.
A
You
know
the
discussion,
the
point
that
you
know
so
the
way
this
works
is
housing,
trust
fund
applications,
sometimes
they're
discussed
with
us.
Sometimes
they
don't.
It's
not
required
to
be
a
lot
of
times
they
just
kind
of
move
to
hcd,
and
I
think,
there's
members
of
our
committee
that
think
that
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
be
to
at
least
have
a
discussion
of
these
before
it
goes
to
hcd,
and
it
be
maybe
that
a
hack
recommendation
or
discussion
is
a
line
item
on
the
staff.
It's
just
on
the
staff.
A
A
D
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
because
there's
a
lot
of
expertise
on
this
committee-
and
I
feel
like
because
particularly
for
those
of
us
who
have
tried
build
things,
made
many
mistakes
over
the
years
or
other
types
of
things.
We
know
sometimes
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work,
because
we've
seen
it
and
experienced
it
and
we
might
be
able
to
help
with
guidance
to
perhaps
someone
who's
trying
to
do
something.
So
I
think
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
if
hcd
is
willing
to
let
us
participate.
A
Yeah,
I
think
so,
especially
since
it
seems
like
we've
seen
several
of
these
housing
trust
funds
that
have
kind
of
gone
to
hd
gone
accounts
have
been
approved
and
then
they
can't
do
their
projects
and
there
may
be
maybe
there's
extra
little
vetting
that
you
know
we
have
a
time
to.
We
have
we
have
time
to
dive
a
little
deeper
into
this
than
you
know,
an
hcd
or
city
council
could
and
it's
within
more
of
our
scope
of
expertise.
So
anyone
else
want
to
have
a
discussion
on
her.
A
I
don't
know
if
it's
up
the
applicant,
I
guess
we're
just
asking
I
mean
I
guess
my
thought
would
be-
that
we're
asking
to
have
input
on
the
stat,
like
that
on
a
staff
report
that
you
said
that
you
prepare
to
go
to
hcd.
That
is
that
a
staff
report
has
an
ahack
recommendation
and
discussion
line
on
it
that
we
have
in
that
we
at
least
have
input.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
to.
A
I
don't
I
mean
I
don't
know
because
we're
not.
We
don't
really
review
we're,
not
a
commission
that
we
approve.
We
basically
just
offer
guidance,
so
I
thought
basically
to
just
make
s
it's
it's
a
step
to
kind
of
make
sure
we're
in
the
we're
in
the
loop
of
offering
guidance
and.
K
Then
yeah
I'd
get
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
following
the
process
and
procedure,
but
it
sounds
like
you'd
be,
even
though
you're
not
officially
recommending
it
necessarily,
but
it
would
sound
to
me
like
you're,
making
it
a
requirement
that
you
see
it
before.
It
goes
to
hcd,
not
that
you're
making
a
recommendation
but
to
offer
guidance
and
that's
something
that
which
again
you
guys
can
do.
We
can
do
that,
but
it
sounds
like
that's
what
it
would.
K
A
Yeah,
I
think
it
looks
like
from
the
knobs
and
I'm
seeing
is
that's
what
we
would
be
asking
that
that
that
a
housing
trust
fund
application
be
required
to
run
through
a
hack
before
it
goes
to
hed.
K
And
I
don't
think
we
based
on
your
what
is
it
the
bylaws
right
now?
I
don't
think
unless
those
changed
you
guys
wouldn't
be
able
to
to
approve
it,
but
but
you
would
offer
your
guidance
at
the
ahec
meeting.
I
I'll
look
at
the
bylaws,
but
I
think
that
would
be
doable
yeah.
A
K
And
then
I
could
bring
that
to
hcd
in
a
couple
weeks
as
a
as
a
small
item
just
get
their
their
opinions
on
women,
mostly
if
that
works
for
you,
I
can
do
that.
A
All
right
great
with
that,
then
I'll
make
a
motion
that
housing
trust
fund
applications.
You
know
we're
asked
for
a
motion
to
recommend
to
hcd
to
have
housing
trust
fund
applications
run
through
the
aha
committee
for
guidance
before
the
staff
reports
created
and
presented.
A
Great
any
discussion
on
that
I'll
go
through
another
roll
call
vote
to
be
official
on
this
margie.
C
B
A
And
myself
is
an
eye
so
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
so
much
everybody
with
that.
You
know.
So
what
I'm
going
to
discuss
real
quick,
I
don't
want
to
because
we
are
where
timelines
ticking,
but
I
wanted
to
kind
of
discuss
a
little
bit
about
this
restaurant
court
development.
You
know
that's
a
project
and
he
has
an
application.
A
You
know
in
for
some
funding
for
a
project
on
restaurant
court.
It
was
going
to
be
on
the
last
hcd
meeting
and
that
was
pulled
at
the
last
minute
because
it
didn't
have
a
staff.
A
The
staff
report
was
recommending
against
it
and
part
of
that
understanding,
I
think,
is
not
as
much
on
that
particular
project,
but
it
was
big.
You
know
kind
of
it
gets
what
happens
is
this
gets
tied
to
discussions
of
other
projects?
And
you
know
this.
You
know
one
of
his
projects
is
the
simpson
simpson
street
and
then
he's
got
some
individual
units
in
the
garage
apartments,
application
that's
been
approved
and
some
of
these
kind
of
come
back
to
this
guidance.
A
I'm
asking
like
I
remember
when
the
the
garage
apartments
came
three
years
ago
that
it
was
approved
for
housing
trust
fund.
It
was
approved
by
you
know
to
the
next
steps,
but
we
all
knew
that
zoning
didn't
allow
it.
So
it
seems
like
there's.
You
know
it's
like.
If
we
had
kind
of
kicked
our
feet,
you
know
stumped
our
boots
a
little
bit
to
be
a
little
bit
louder.
We
could
have
said,
wait
a
minute
why?
How
can?
Why?
A
Should
we
be
approving
this
when
we
know
the
zoning
doesn't
allow
this,
and
so
I
think,
there's
you
know,
there's
a
couple
of
recommend
a
couple
of,
especially
with
you
know
some
of
kirk's
projects
that
you
know
they're.
I
think
kirk
has
a
hundred.
It's
130
170,
affordable
units,
it's
a
fair
amount,
but
that
we
have
a
you
know
local
developer,
trying
really
hard
and
it's
you
know
this
is
a
hard
it's
hard
to
do
what
he
does
it's
hard
to
do.
A
You
know
to
build
like
this,
and
you
know
so
one
of
my
you
know
the
discussion
I
really
wanted
to
bring
a
little
bit
on.
This
is
what
support
you
know
because
of
when
we
were
a
developer,
bringing
these
project
tests
as
a
dev
is
a
developer
there.
You
know
their
role
is
kind
of
is
putting
putting
land
packages
together,
creating
the
financing
packages
being
the
general
contractor
for
projects,
and
then
you
know
some
of
the
property
management
could
be.
A
The
developer
could
be
a
separate
entity
doing
that,
but
some
of
these
projects,
they're
for
them
to
be
successful,
seems
like
there's
a
level
of
social
services
that
should
be
layered
in
that
we,
that
the
question
is:
how
much
can
we,
what
I'm
kind
of
asking
is
like
how
much
can
we
get?
How
much
of
that
is
what
the
developer
role
is
and
how
much
of
that
is
like
another?
Should
we
be
looking
for
another
non-profit
partner
or
entity
to
connect
with
to
help
these
projects?
Success?
A
Because
I
I
from
you
know
it's
just
from
I
don't
know
I
mean
it's
a
hard
one
to
just
you
know
it's
a
hard
one,
but
it's
like
I
want.
I
want
us,
as
a
committee
to
discuss
and
look
at
all
the
things
to
help
make
these
projects
successful,
and
sometimes
these
are
like
I
said
these
are
these
are
developers
these
are
general
contractors
putting
projects
together
and
they're
not
experienced
in
social
services
needs,
and
what
is
it
we
can
do
to
help
these
projects
succeed
after
they're
built.
That's
my
question.
B
A
So
what
you're
saying
is
you
see
that
property
property
management
itself
is
something
that
in
like
not
not?
Well,
it's
not
talk
specifically
about
your
project,
but
that's
something
in
in
in
any
kind
of
well,
I
mean
any
kind
of
project
that
has
affordable
housing
components
that
there
should
be
a
certain
level
of
expectation
of
property
management
that.
B
Yeah
that
is
fair
to
go
ahead
and
include
deeply
affordable
housing.
That
does
seem
to
be
an
issue
across
the
board
where
property
upkeep
as
far
as
landscaping
goes
and
just
timely.
B
Just
if
someone
has
a
heating
unit
issue
or
a
plumbing
issue
that
is
beyond
normal,
wear
and
tear
or
something
that's
immediate.
Sometimes
people
don't
ever
get
back
to
you
until
things
are
beyond
repair
and
then
it
ends
up
costing
them
more.
In
the
long
run,.
F
K
Well,
so,
barry-
if
I
can
add
here
and
some
of
you-
I
don't
know
if
I've
really
we've
talked
too
much
in
this
committee-
about
this
councilwoman
mosley-
probably
remembers
from
the
work
session
that
our
division
keeps
talking
about
and
with
everything
going
on
right
now
it
never
reaches
the
top
top
of
my
desk,
but
it's
getting
there,
which
is
this
affordable
housing
policy
guideline
beyond
the
transaction
and
so
right
now
we've
done,
I
think,
a
good
job
with
understanding
the
subsidy
needed,
which
is
great
like
we
helped
me
entice
a
developer
and
we're
focusing
on
the
pro
forma
and
the
balance
sheet,
which
I
think
is
really
important.
K
The
next
step
that
we
want
to
do
is
develop
a
policy.
That's
beyond
that
transaction,
where
we
actually
talk
about
these
issues,
which
then
would
be
talked
about
in
the
development
deal
in
that
package,
which
comes
down
to
the
importance
of
partnership
with
these
developers.
So
again,
not
just
that
transaction,
but
the
importance
of
partnership
and
the
city
goals
that
we're
looking
for
in
our
partnership
deal
of
affordable
housing,
which
includes
you,
know,
a
discussion
on
anti-displacement
gentrification.
K
It
also
includes
a
discussion
on
energy
efficiency
and
sustainability,
we're
also
adding
into
that
conversation,
development
and
design
standards
so
that
affordable
units
can
they
just
look
like
every
other
unit
on
the
street
to
amber's
point
and
probably
bury
to
yours.
K
I
think
beyond
the
social
services
needed
it's
strong,
compassionate
community
property
and
asset
management,
that
that
would
be
something
in
the
discussion
and
development
deal
that
we
really
require,
and
what's
your
history
there
as
well
as
equity
inclusion
and
those
are
some
of
the
main
topics
that
we're
looking
out
for,
and
I
think
the
last
one
is
really
about
outreach.
K
What
is
the
developer
doing
to
outreach
into
our
whole
community,
including
our
black
and
brown
community,
to
assist
with
the
affordability
to
make
sure
everyone's
aware
that
there's
affordable
units
coming
online?
So
I
don't
know
if
some
of
this
regarding
the
restaurant
court
will
be
addressed
when
we
put
this
policy
together,
it's
coming
together.
We've
got
lots
of
notes
there,
but
it's
really
something
that
I
think
will
address
some
of
these
issues
and
really
important
to
our
division
and
justice
to
say
clearly.
Sometimes
we
worry
like
that.
K
We
have
we've
done
that
because
that's
what
the
developers
wanted
us
to
do
out
of
the
gate,
the
subsidy
matters,
but
we
want
to
create
a
holistic
partnership
here
to
talk
about
important
issues
that
matter
to
the
community
very
much
about
the
property
management,
the
asset
management,
the
efficiency,
etc.
E
Sure
I
mean
I,
you
know,
I
think
our
work
is
a
little
bit
different,
because
it's
in
the
it's
in
the
home
ownership,
space
and
so
property
management
and
asset
management
largely
becomes
the
responsibility
of
of
the
owners
and
and
for
you
know,
common
property
elements,
the
property
owners
association.
So
it's
a
little
bit
different,
but
I
think
it's
really.
I
mean
we
spend
a
lot
of
time,
making
sure
that
the
people
who
are
going
to
ultimately
have
responsibility
for
managing
the
asset
are
prepared
to
do
that.
E
Well
in
in,
in
the
form
of
you,
know,
home
buyer,
education
and
and
those
sorts
of
things
I
will
say
I
think
this
is-
I
mean
I
think
it's
really
important
to
hit
this
and
very
to
your
point.
You
know
we're
working
often
with
with
developers
and
we're
trying
to
get
the
supply
increased.
E
But
if
a
developer
intends
to
continue
to
own
and
manage
the
you
know
what
they
build,
they've
moved
into
a
different
space
right,
it's
we
can't
say
well,
they're,
just
a
you
know:
they're,
just
a
general
contractor
and
they're
trying
hard
to
you
know
to
increase
the
housing
supply.
If
they're
going
to
own
and
manage
a
property,
then
I
think
you
know:
property
management
standards
need
to
apply
so
that
and
margie.
Maybe
this
is
where
you
were
going
with.
With
your
question
to
me:
there
are
costs
associated
with
that.
E
There
are
costs
associated
with
what
paul's
talking
about
in
terms
of
design
standards.
In
terms
of
you
know,
all
of
those
things
that
increase
livability,
which
you
know
can't
be
you
know,
they're
they're
not
going
to
pencil
out
in
the
development
pro
forma
in
most
cases,
without
additional
subsidy.
So
as
we,
you
know,
we
set
a
baseline
of
what
we
expect
for
you
know
well-managed
high-quality,
affordable
housing.
E
We've
got
to
also
put
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
on
that,
so
that
those
two
things
need
to
go
hand
in
hand,
but
I
think
we
do
you
know.
I
think
there
is
a
place
to
assume
that
you
know,
regardless
of
who's.
Constructing
units,
the
owner
and
property
management
need
to.
You
know,
need
to
serve
our
community.
A
Maybe
that
could
even
be
I
mean,
maybe,
as
this
discussion
moves
forward,
maybe
that's
something
that's
different
than
the
subsidies
that
are
provided
for
the
construction,
because
it's
almost
like
the
subsidies,
the
subsidies
that
we're
doing
the
housing
trust
fund
really
aren't
covering
those
kind
of
expenses.
It's
really
meant
to
cover
the
construction,
so
maybe
there's
some
other
kind
of
funding
or
you
know
covering
property
management
fees.
You
know
subsidies
we
can,
we
can
just
discuss.
I
just
think
it's
kind
of
a
not
it
rather
than
it
being
any
one
specific
project.
A
I
think
it's
a
big.
It's
a
it's
a
broader
discussion
that
to
make
sure
that
that
you
know
it's
hard
enough
right.
I
mean
it's
almost
darn
near
impossible,
with
just
the
subsidies
to
be
able
to
build
and
then,
as
to
your
point,
property
management
is
expensive
and
and
and
development.
Some
developments
need
much
more
height,
touch
property
management
and
that's
expensive
and
maybe
there's
some
kind
of
subsidies
or
grant
you
know
something.
A
We
can
look
at
as
a
committee
to
how
to
assist
with
that,
because
I,
like
I
like
that
term,
to
be
on
the
transaction.
I
think
that's
that's
really
what
we're
talking
about
here
because
we're
you
know
it's
really.
It's
we're
having
to
now
measure
current
applications
based
on
this,
how
they're
you
know
not
based
on
the
construction
but
based
on
other
stuff,
and
I
think
it's
just
something
we
need
to
address
in
the
bigger
and
the
bigger
point
parker,
I'm
just
you
know
I
mean
and
timeline.
A
J
I'll
figure
it
out
on
the
landlord
law
side.
I
just
want
to
say:
I
think
this
is
a
fantastic
idea.
So
much
of
what
we
see
at
pisgah
legal
are
folks
who
are
being
evicted
from
these
properties
or
have
eviction
notices
from
these
properties
and
when
we
get
involved,
it's
usually
something
that
could
have
been
worked
out
way
earlier.
J
If
there
had
been
better
communication,
if
someone
had
been
there
to
connect
that
tenant
with
the
resources
or
help
them
address
the
underlying
issue
that
they
had,
so
I
think
overall,
as
a
need
in
the
community.
This
is
a
huge
one,
because
you
know
we
can't
meet
all
of
the
need
and
all
of
the
folks
that
come
to
us
and
there
really
isn't
anybody
in
the
community.
That's
trying
to
make
this
connection.
J
I
think
it
would
be
great
for
you
to
connect
with
kate
peck,
who
was
working
with
thrive.
Asheville
she's
been
interviewing
a
lot
of
landlords
and
property
management
companies
specifically
to
try
to
get
them
to
accept
folks
who
have
vouchers,
yeah,
you're,
probably
wearing
the
whole
thing,
but
I
think
she
would
be
a
great
resource
just
to
try
to
figure
out
what
the
general
concerns
are
around
property
management
and
where
some
of
the,
where
things
are
a
little
different
if
you're,
building,
affordable
housing
or
renting
to
more
low-income
votes.
J
Who
may
be
like
a
paycheck
away
from
missing
their
rent
or
something
like
that.
So
those
are
my.
Those
are
my
two
cents,
I'm
all
for
it.
A
Cool
I
appreciate
it
yeah.
I
think
I
think
we'll
keep
we'll
keep.
This
will
be
something
we'll
keep
up
his
discussion,
because
I
think
this
is.
I
is
currently
his
property.
I'm
in-
and
I
probably
shouldn't
know
this,
but
is
the
property
management
discussed
on
a
housing
trust
fund
application
is
like?
Is
it
like
a
proposal?
Is
there
a
section
that
has
to
be
addressed
during
that
on
the
application
or
not.
K
So
not
currently
and
this
policy,
I
think
the
idea
behind
this
policy
is
not
to
add
costs,
so
you
know,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
having
those
real
conversations.
K
If
folks
think
that
these
discussion
items
around
property
management-
and
you
know-
equity
inclusion-
anti-displacement-
we're
not
looking
to
add
cost
to
anything,
but
we
think
it
if
I'm
representing
the
city
correctly-
and
I
sure
hope
I
am-
we
are
looking
for
partners
that
not
only
are
bringing
the
affordable
units
but
treating
them
like
they
would
treat
any
other
unit
and
that's
what
we're
really
looking
for
in
those
partnerships.
K
That
said,
we're
not
the
issue
around
the
property
management
isn't
a
requirement,
but
regarding
this
application
with
restaurant
court,
there
were
internal
concerns
with
community
development,
other
departments,
city
management,
community
members
and
neighbors
who
came
forward
regarding
the
development
and
the
concern
about
the
new
development,
which
is
why
we
addressed
them
as
well
as
some
other
concerns
in
the
staff
report
with
kirk,
and
we're
grateful
for
all
that
he
has
brought
forward
to
the
community.
K
I
think
that
the
city
is
now
just
you
know,
wants
to
have
these
real
discussions
in
the
partnership
and
we're
looking
forward
to
meeting
with
kirk
next
week,
if
we
can
figure
out
a
date
with
myself
and
a
couple
other
departments
just
to
work
through
these
issues
about
what
the
city
is
looking
for
in
a
partner.
I
hope
that
makes
sense,
barry.
A
Yeah,
no,
no,
that
does
yeah
and-
and
I
think
that's
where
part
of
the
yeah
that
broader
discussion
might.
You
know
be
great,
because
I
think
that
it's
how
to
and
maybe
it's
a
different
funding
source
or
maybe
part
of
the
housing.
Maybe
when
these
applications
are
done,
part
of
an
amount
is
dedicated
and
discussed
towards
property
management
fees
because
it
can
get.
You
know,
that's
a
it's
a
it's
a
that's
a
lot
to
it's
a
lot
to
manage.
A
You
know:
property
management,
property
management
itself
is
an
art
and
then
that
many
units
is
an
art
and
then
you
know
mixing
yeah
and
it's
because
it
shouldn't
just
be.
You
know
the
the
police
shouldn't
have
to
be
a
go-to
resource
for
solving
issues
and
the
or
evicting
there
should
be.
There
should
be
some
kind
of
discussion.
A
D
Maybe
this
would
be
a
opportunity
for
some
type
of
you
mentioned
grant
from
dogwood
health,
because
I
know
they're
very,
very
involved
in
many
of
the
affordable
housing
opportunities
in
multiple
counties.
So
this
might
be
something
that
they
could
help
with
too
yeah.
A
We're
cool
so,
let's
get
let's,
let's
let
I
think
we
unless
there's
any
when
we
want
to
say
anything
we
should
move
on,
but
I
think
we
should
we'll
keep
we'll
definitely
want
to
keep
this
on
our
radar
and
keep
this
as
further
discussion.
Maybe
this
is
something
that
we
could
work
with
our
new
committees
for
new
task
forces
or
task
forces
for
working
on.
Anyone
else
want
to
add
anything
before
move
on
the
agenda.
B
N
B
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
everything
that
y'all
have
said
is
spot
on,
and
I
I
do
know
that
it
is
the
lack
of
staff,
I
believe
there's
only
one
person
involved
with
property
management
and
like
one
maintenance
person.
So
if
it
is
a
lack
of
funds,
then
something
that
can
help
subsidize.
That
would
be
great,
however,
if
grants
are
being
given
and
still
the
effort
is
not
being
put
forward
to
do
what
needs
to
be
done.
C
A
A
I
think
we
also
need
to
look
at
how
we
can
help
whoever
the
property
manager
is,
whether
it's
a
developer
or
a
different
company,
doing
it,
how
we
can
help
the
property
management
company,
manage
these
properties
better
and
then
what
we
need
to
do
to
look
at
look
at
funding
sources
or
whatever,
whatever
it
is,
but
I
think
we'll
we'll
keep
this
on
our
agenda
as
a
as
a
future
conversation.
So
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
a
great
great
talk.
H
Yeah
I
was
just
going
to
mention-
I
mean
paul,
I
think
you're
talking
about
you
know
going
beyond
the
transaction
stage.
I
mean
yeah
builders,
get
capital
costs,
but
operations
and
maintenance.
That's
much
more,
the
province
of
property
management,
so
I
think
it
is
important
to
distinguish
between
those
and,
if
you're,
looking
at
a
project,
more
comprehensively
you're
trying
to
look
at
something
called
life
cycle
costs.
You
know
what
are
the
materials
that
are
going
into
it?
How
long
do
they
last
things
like
that?
H
So
I
think
it
is
a
good
point
to
try
and
not
necessarily
penalize
a
developer
for
not
having
an
o
m
plan
because
that's
another
focus
they
build
and
they
move
on.
You
get
a
proper
management
company
or
something
that's
focused
on
operations
and
maintenance.
I
think
that's
a
you
know
thing,
so
I
like
the
idea
that
great.
A
Thank
you.
Thanks
for
the
discussion,
I
think
it's
yeah
real
important
when
I
look
forward
to
continuing
this.
Let's
see
next
this
up
our
work
plan
and
subcommittees
I'm
gonna
with
time
I'm
gonna
table
that
I
mean
I
think
we're
gonna
have.
I
think
the
subcommittee
is
really
gonna
help
us
kind
of
tap
sorry
task
force.
I
know
I
can't
I
think
subcommittee
is
what
I
can't
say
task
force
it's
you
know.
I
think
it
really
helped
us
get
get
us
back
on
track,
and
you
know
this
year.
A
I'm
this
whole
running
running
a
meeting
during
zoom.
Is
it's
really
hard
because
I'm
also
used?
You
know
I
work
on
a
lot
of
like
watching
people,
I'm
trying
to
watch
facial
reactions
and
try
to
make
sure
everyone
gets
gets
their
chance
to
speak,
and
you
know
she'll
look
forward
to
more
in
person
again.
I
also
look
forward
to
being
able
to
split
some
of
the
load
up
with
our
task
forces
and
focusing
on
some
of
these
big
conversations
that
we
need
to
be
part
of
so
appreciate
us
getting
that
done.
A
Moving
on
to
the
future
agenda
items
I
see
we
could.
I
also
do
need
to
leave
space
for
public
comment.
So
there's
a
note
about
our
new
and
improved
website.
K
Yeah
that
should
be
coming
soon.
We
are
trying
to
do
a
better
job
on
that
we
had
it
planned
for
an
all-day
event
yesterday,
but
we've
got
the
hud
action
plan
so
where
we
will
showcase
that
once
it's
done
hopefully
it'll
be
easier
to
navigate
not
only
for
citizens
but
also
community
partners
and
developers.
We're
really
excited
to
get
that
done
and
so
looking
forward
to
that
great.
A
Thank
you
there's
a
couple
of
things
about
policies.
I
see
first
about
short-term
rentals
for
affordable
housing.
Is
that
I
mean?
Is
there
really
I've
heard
so
much
lately
about
a
for
about
short-term
rentals?
You
know
I
want.
I
know,
there's
is:
is
there
really
something
in
the
works,
because
I
know
there's
some
state
stuff
that
might
counter
that.
K
So
we
are,
can
you
know
consistently
trying
in
cd
to
come
up
with
ideas
that
could
work
for
additional,
affordable
housing
units
on
the
ground?
We
like
the
idea,
possibly
in
cd,
that
in
exchange
for
a
short-term
rental,
could
the
developer
give
us
an
affordable
unit
and
looking
at
ways
it
doesn't
cost
the
city
any
dollars
so
more
the
entitlement
to
an
str,
so
we
drafted
a
policy
or
we
started
drafting
a
policy
just
internally.
K
It's
something
I
want
to
keep
on
the
list
that
if
it's
ever
interested
to
see
from
what
I
understand,
there's
not
a
lot
of
interest,
necessarily
at
the
moment
with
city
management
on
that,
but
I
don't
mind
keeping
it
on
the
list,
if
you
all
don't
mind
because
again,
with
with
money
being
difficult
coming
down
the
pipeline,
although
not
now
with
the
arpa
money,
but
we
are
thinking,
is
there
a
way
that,
in
exchange
for
a
short-term
rental,
could
we
do
some
affordable
housing
at
30,
16,
80
percent
of
ami
and
we've
drafted
a
policy
on
that?
K
I
I
just
am
looking
at
investment
that
doesn't
cost
the
city
money
that
could
possibly
get
us
more
affordable
units,
a
lot
of
interest
in
str's,
a
lot
of
interest
in
affordable
housing.
Can
we
marry
the
two
in
some
way.
A
Yep,
I
know
it's
been
yeah,
just
something
we'll
be
discussing
discussed.
It
seems
like
five
years
ago
we
asked
if
there
was
an
appetite
for
that.
The
appetite
was
no,
but
but
I
know,
there's
also
like
a
few
things
that
I've
heard
recently
is
that
you
know
first
of
all,
stat
there's.
Obviously
asheville
is
about
the.
We
have
more
airbnbs
per
capita
than
I
think
anywhere
in
the
country
and
that
the
enforcement
you
know
the
city
enforcement
they
just
really
just
cannot
it's
it's
almost
like
it
just
cannot
handle
it.
A
It's
it's
it's
one
of
those
is
the
market.
Just
speaking,
I
don't
know,
and
then
there's
you
know,
I
know,
there's
some
state
there's
some
state
law
state
bills
out
there,
for
you
know
encouraging
denser
development
and
one
of
those
things
I've
heard
that's
been
discussed.
Is
you
know
it's
actually
well.
I've
heard
two
things.
I've
heard
some
talk
about
some
people
saying
that
drop
any
kind
of
short-term
rental,
not
allowing
you
know
not
that,
and
then
I've
also
then,
on
this
bill.
A
I
think
there's
something
that
it
on
anything
denser
that
it
wouldn't
be
allowed.
So
there's
so
much
it's
such
a
hot
topic
that
that
I
think-
and
it's
it's
kind
of
in
play
right
now-
that
I
guess
we'll
just
kind
of
watch
where
this
goes.
You
know,
but
it's
good
to
hear,
there's
at
least
discussion
on
that,
because
I've
I
thought
that
you
know
swapping
one
to
the
other.
The
same
way,
the
same
way
when
we,
you
know,
allowed
hotels
more
several
years
back.
A
I
think
you
know
the
hotels
were
one
of
the
contributed
more
money
to
our
housing
trust
fund
than
I
think
this,
I
think
more
than
our
annual
city
budget.
You
know
our
city
than
the
annual
city
contribution.
I
think
some
of
the
housing
trust
fund
allocation.
You
know,
contributions
from
the
hotel
groups
was
more
so
we
were
kind
of
using
a
trade
back
then.
So
I
I
like
the
idea
of
a
trade
but
we'll,
I
guess,
we'll
just
kind
of
watch
where
this
goes.
A
The
other
two
items
on
there
you
have
luigi
for
home
ownership.
Is
there
anything
you
want
to
share
on
just.
K
All
you
know
with
the
home
ownership
issue:
it's
come
up
if
somebody
builds
a
new,
affordable
home
ownership
unit.
Is
there
a
way
to
pass
a
property
tax
rebate
on
to
the
buyer,
who's
an
affordable
person
right
now?
There's
issues
with
that,
because
then,
if
you're
helping
a
new
person,
what
about
all
the
other
folks
out
there
below
80
percent
or
100
percent?
Am
I
that
they're
paying
their
property
taxes,
but
we're
all
about
creative
thinking?
K
So
you
know
we
can
relabel
this
section.
You
know
creative
thinking,
but
we
are
just
trying
to
think
of
ways
and
policies
to
make
things
happen
and
then
the
other
one
I
think
has
to
talk
about.
Do
we
want
to
increase?
You
know
up
to
100
ami
when
it
comes
to
home
ownership,
since
we
are
losing
our
deals
that
were
80
ami,
so
something
to
think
about
as
well.
K
K
And
that
last
one
is
just
something
I'm
very
excited
about.
We
partnered
with
the
unc
school
of
government
and
chapel
hill
to
tell
our
five-year
investment
story
from
community
development
in
the
terms
of
what
the
community
wants
to
see
from
us,
which
I
think
is
affordable
units,
rental
and
homeownership,
job
training,
job
creation,
small
business
and
micro
enterprise,
businesses
supported
and
tenant-based
rental
assistance
and
serving
our
homeless
population.
So
we
are
working
on
that
right
now
we
should
have
something
that
goes
to
council.
K
I
hope
if
council
lets
us
come
in
july
to
tell
that
story
of
community
development
investment
of
what
the
community
wants
to
hear
again
part
of
these
storytelling
efforts
that
show
how
we're
working
to
to
be
a
part
of
the
solutions
to
these
issues.
So
we're
really
excited
about
that
they're
doing
a
great
job.
The
students.
A
Great
there's
a
section
on
the
agenda
for
events
and
news,
or
anything
in
particular,
or
is
that
just
a
placeholder
yeah.
K
A
I
have
to
look
exactly
I've
asked
I've
asked
to
be
part
of
there's
there's
that
task
force,
that's
starting,
and
it's
about
that
may
16
years
connected
that
may
16th
meeting.
I
think
I'm
going
to
be
there
and
then
I
know
paul
heathman.
You
did
you
did
like
a
public
meeting
yesterday
or
something
about
down
payment
assistance.
Is
that
right.
G
A
Yeah,
I
guess
we'll
have
to
we're
one
connecting
to
that
with
our
I
know,
with
our
website
update.
Maybe
we
should
ask
to
see
if
we're
allowed
to
put
like,
because
in
the
past
we've
we
know
we
haven't
been
able.
We,
we
can't
put
events
that
are
done
by
privates
and
for
like
regular
profit
companies.
Is
that
right,
paul,
I'm
just
thinking
what
we
when,
as
we're
updating
the
website?
What
what
we're
allowed
to
include
in
and
not
you
know
like?
K
I
think
we're
okay
to
put
them
on
our
individual
agendas,
but
I
don't
think
on
the
website
they'd
like
us
to
link
directly
to
another
website,
if
I
understand
correctly,
but
it's
okay,
to
put
events
on
here
from
what
I
understand,
especially
around
this
topic,
from
what
I've
heard,
if
that
makes
sense,
barry,
okay,.
A
A
I'll
afford
it
out,
because
I
know
I'm
it's
on
my
calendar
to
attend
all
right,
we're
great
with
that.
So
we
are
the
tester.
I
guess
for
any
public
comments,
do
we
have
any
callers
that
have
called
in?
Do
we
have
any
public
comment?
That's.
A
Well,
thank
you,
everybody.
I
sure
appreciate
you.
It's
hard
work,
good
conversations
and
you
know
looking
looking
forward
to
kind
of
looking
at
how
you
know
how
we
can
break
some
of
this
load
up
throughout
the
month.
I'm
sure,
looking
forward
to
being
in
person
again
whenever
we're
allowed
to
do
that
and
we'll
miss.
A
Yep
and
and
yeah-
and
let's
say
you
know
goodbye
to
parker-
sounds
like
this
is
her
last
meeting.
We
will
miss
we'll
miss
you
and
your
input,
but
we
will
make
sure
that
we
continue
the
conversations
that
we
know
are
so
important
to
your
too.
You
know
you're
the
tenants
and
fiscal
legal.