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That's
true:
hey,
let's
do
introductions
to
start
with
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
that
Commission
folks
introduce
themselves
first,
didn't
to
see
everybody
with
the
city
after
that,
and
then
everybody
else
just
own
with
us,
so
we'll
know
who
everybody
is
I'm.
First
time,
Steve
Hendrix
on
the
chair
of
the
Commission
Amy
hi.
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A
Yeah,
this
particular
request
was
heard
by
the
Urban
Forestry
Commission
back
in
February
and
then
was
continued
at
that
meeting
and
has
been
suspended
for
this
many
months
during
the
pandemic.
So
it
might
be
familiar
to
some
of
you,
but
I
will
go
in
it
and
kind
of
restate
what
the
original
request
bugs
and
kind
of
go
over
some
of
the
discussion
from
the
last
meeting
and
then
we'll
pick
up
from
there.
So
if
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
to
remind
you
all
the
project
is
located,
251
shortcuts.
A
So
that's
what
the
inner
switch
in
a
short
box
and
it's
a
weave
was
it
Lee,
Walker,
Lane
I,
think
it's
the
the
secondary
entrance
that
goes
into
the
Lee
Walker
community
or
Lee
garden,
Langley
gurgling,
it
is
the
development
was
a
level
2.
That's
been
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
already
and
has
received
preliminary
approval.
It's
a
mixed-use
development
with
14
residential
units,
garages
and
commercial
space,
and
there
are
two
separate
buildings:
there's
a
they're
kind
of
stacked
behind
each
other,
so
one
sort
of
presents
on
the
street
level.
A
So
the
landscape
requirement,
that
is
in
question,
is
the
street
tree
requirement
along
short,
Cox
Avenue,
and
there
is
approximately
140
some
linear
feet,
which
would
normally
require
for
Street
trees
and
in
our
urban
downtown.
That
is
typically,
it
doesn't
have
to
be,
but
it
is
typically
a
tree
in
a
street
great
with
a
wider
sidewalk.
A
So
the
request
now
is
to
do
planters
and
put
shrubs
or
mix
of
shrubs
and
other
ornamentals
in
the
planters
to
be
located
along
the
sidewalks,
similar
to
what
the
same
property
owner
did
with
his
adjacent
project
at
88,
South
Side
and
the
picture
in
that
slide
is
from
88
south
slide.
Just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
what
we're
talking
about
so
next
slide.
A
Next
slide,
there
was
a
fair
amount
of
discussion,
so
the
the
the
primary
conflict
with
achieving
normal
compliance
is
that
there
are
a
number
of
different
underground
utilities
that
are
adjacent
to
the
project
site.
There
was,
we
didn't,
have
great
information
that
last
image
you
saw
was
all
that
was
included
in
the
initial
some
middle,
and
so
you
couldn't
you
saw
where
some
of
the
infrastructure
was
located,
but
you
didn't
really
see
what
the
corresponding
easements
were.
So
the
applicant
after
February's
discussions
supplied
this
illustration.
A
That
kind
of
helps
demonstrate
the
location
of
those
different
infrastructure
pieces,
the
sewer
the
gas
line
and
the
existing
stormwater
and
kinda
shows
you
the
easement
areas
or
the
presenting
areas
around
them
that
overlaps
significantly
with
the
sidewalks.
So
it
makes
it
difficult
or
really
it
kind
of
prohibits
the
ability
to
install
street
trees
in
grades,
which
is
sort
of
the
normal
pattern
in
a
downtown.
A
So
there
was
a
fair
amount
of
discussion
at
February's
meeting
about
what
exactly
was
the
conflict
with
the
underground
utilities?
Was
there
any
way
to
co-locate
the
trees
within
those
easements
etc?
So
the
applicant
that
one
of
the
main
easements
in
question
was
the
sewer
easement,
so
the
applicant
did
reach
out
to
MSD
and
got
confirmation
via
email
that
Embassy
will
not
allow
any
trees
in
their
sewer,
easements
and
that
should
have
been
attached
that
worked
and
we're
previous
conversations
at
the
February
meeting
from
the
stormwater
staff
and
the
Public
Works
staff,
about
the
other.
A
You
know
the
stormwater
infrastructure
and
then
the
proposed
gas
line
that
would
be
located
under
the
sidewalk
and
the
challenges
associated
with
having
trees
in
proximity
to
that
infrastructure
as
well.
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
you
can
see
a
long
short
cox
Avenue.
The
applicant
is
proposing
the
four
planters
along
the
the
short
Cox
Avenue
Street
frontage,
and
then
you
can
see
a
number
of
other
plantings
that
are
shown
more
mostly
around
the
perimeter,
but
some
also
scattered
interior
in
the
site
at
those
entrances
into
the
different
parking
garages.
A
So
I
mentioned
the
underground
utilities.
That
was
the
focus
of
the
conversation
at
the
last
meeting,
but
I
think
it
is
a
report
to
also
point
out
that
the
property
is
located
in
the
downtown.
The
CBD
does
require,
where
it
does
that
the
baseline
requirement
for
setbacks
is
zero,
so
basically
they're
the
CBD
development
standards.
Ask
you
to
bring
the
building
forward
and
build
it
all
the
way
up
to
the
edge
of
the
sidewalk.
A
There
are
exceptions
to
that,
though
you
can
set
back
beyond
the
sidewalk
and
I
included
some
of
that
information
in
your
staff
report.
But
for
a
residential
project
you
can
set
back
your
building
at
a
maximum
of
50
feet
if
you
construct
a
courtyard
or
a
public,
plaza
state,
basically
based
on
other
downtown
projects
that
we've
seen
it
just
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
courtyard
gathering
common
area
that
that
people
can
access
that
can
include.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
all
hardscaped.
A
It
can
include
some
planting
areas
if
that
was
part
of
the
design,
but
it
just
has
to
accommodate
some
sort
of
public
use
or
common
gathering
space
as
part
of
the
design.
That,
however,
would
significantly
alter
the
design
of
this
project,
as
it's
been
already
approved
by
the
client,
Zoning
Commission,
and
it
could
impact
the
development
outcome.
A
It
would
also
be
inconsistent
with
the
88
Southside
project,
which
is
directly
adjacent,
and
this
projects
been
designed
to
have
sort
of
that
consistent
Street
frontage
appearance
along
the
street.
So
so
those
are
the
two
primary
conflicts,
that's
what
the
code
anticipates
and
generally
looks
for
in
addition
with
those
underground
utilities.
A
R
If
there's
no
questions
for
shannon
one
suck
soul,
Design
Concepts
Shannon
did
a
great
job
of
giving
an
eye
review,
and
it
has
been
a
few
months
since
we
originally
went
through
through
this.
This
document,
with
everyone
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You
know
it's
worth
cleaning
in
that
we're
not
necessarily
not
doing
the
street
trees.
It's
just
that
we're
having
to
relocate,
doesn't
in
a
different
spot
because
of
those
utility
conflicts
and
certainly
I'm
available
for
any
questions
that
degree
passed
and
I.
G
May
see
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
see
the
site
plan.
So
I
was
looking
at
the
documents
that
were
sent
with
the
meeting
notice,
but
it
seems
like
the
trees
that
are
being
planted
are
looks
like
they
may
be
red
buds
or
dog
woods
along
the
back
and
along
the
back
side
of
the
building.
Is
that
correct,
I
can't
really
tell?
And
but
my
question
is,
if
they
are
the
smaller
growing
tree
species,
will
the
the
site
on
the
backside
not
accommodate
a
larger
size
of
canopy
trees?.
R
A
That's
correct
so
there
are
street
trees
proposed
and
shown
on
the
Lee
Garden
Street
side.
That's
the
short,
so
there's,
basically,
four
trees
that
were
deficient
along
short
and
you
can
see
throughout
the
rest
of
the
site
that's
made
up
and
exceeds
what
would
normally
in
terms
of
numbers.
Okay,
it's
what
would
normally
be
required.
C
This
is
Sharon,
I
was
told,
I
had
to
raise
my
hand,
and
anybody
seen
my
hand
right
here.
I
have
a
question:
can
we
go
back
to
the
first?
It
shows
where
the
utilities
are
with
sewer.
Easement
is
thank
you,
so
I've
had
a
conversation
with
Kevin
and
MSD
regarding
so
the
cells
aren't
engineered
and
he
wanted
to
see
those
specs
and
I
didn't
do
him
in
time
and
when
I'm
seeing
the
residents
utility
encroachment,
we
thought
I
was
hoping
that
we
could
get
an
engineered
because
it
is
CBD
and
it
can
be
requested.
C
C
So
therefore,
I
am
going
to
give
up
my
silver
cell
request,
but
I
do
know
that
those
planners
that
are
existing
that
are
there
now
or
look
terrible
that
are
what
the
shrubs
in
them.
So
is
there
any
plan
to
have
maintenance
or
new
shrubbery
put
in
the
other,
so
it
doesn't
look
like
dead,
shrubs
and
in
tiny
boxes,
but
they
look
pretty
bad
now
Warren.
Do
you
know
if
they're
planning
on
a
maintenance
person
to
maintain
those
because
they're
not
being
maintained
at
the
Southside.
B
R
H
So
this
is
me
raising
my
hand
over
here,
I
like
to
piggyback
on,
to
which
Aaron
was
saying
a
minute
ago.
I
have
a
couple
of
references
to
Express,
one
of
one
of
them
about
the
planters
and
the
other
about
the
trees.
I
know
my
primary
concern
when
it
came
to
the
trees.
The
street
trees
not
being
feasible,
was
well
to
two
things:
shade
and
stormwater
runoff
benefits
of
having
those
trees
in
so
taller,
trees,
larger
trees,
canopy
trees
would
be
preferable
from
that
standpoint,
at
least
from
the
shade
benefits
aspect
of
it.
H
That's,
obviously
that
would
provide
cooling
benefits
for
the
building,
as
well
as
just
cooling
the
ambient
air
temperature
on
that
block
with
more
shade,
so
that
to
me
in
my
eyes,
that
would
be
really
important
to
have
bigger
trees
in
the
long
run,
regardless
of
where
they're
being
placed
and
the
other
thing
I
along
the
lines
in
terms
of
shading.
If
planters
being
used
along
the
frontage
of
the
building
on
short
cost,
there
are,
there
are
bigger
round
planters
that
can
be
used
to
get
decent
sized
shrubs
growing.
H
That
would
cast
some
shade
on
the
sidewalk.
As
you
walk
by,
and
so
that
could
be
also
I
would
encourage
you
to
consider
those
kinds
of
planters
and
having
some
shrubs
that
could
grow
to
say,
10
feet
tall,
maybe
14
feet
tall
and
cast
some
shade
on
the
sidewalk,
as
people
are
walking
by
those
also
have
more
soil
in
them,
and
so
at
least
there
would
be
a
little
bit
of
rain
water
absorption
from
a
larger
planter
like
that.
C
R
C
Help
you
know
that
would
create
a
I
mean
I,
maintain
plants
and
huge
planners.
Now
I've
got
some
trees
that
are
20
feet
tall.
That
would
help
sustain
the
life
and
not
have
to
water.
Every
three
days,
I
mean
ain't,
something
you
know,
and
it's
self-contained
if
the
bottoms
to
be
open
to
the
parent
soil
underneath
the
sidewalk
now
I
understand
the
sidewalks
already
been
forged,
but
I
would
certainly
sustain
life
in
those
planners.
B
A
Before
we
do
a
vote,
if
I
could
just
make
a
couple,
a
couple
comments
where
one
just
a
point
of
clarification,
I
think
Paran
mentioned
larger,
maturing
trees,
larger
canopy
trees,
but
I
assume
we're
talking
about
those
just
kind
of
around
the
perimeter
of
like
where
it's
possible.
I
am
not
particularly
familiar
with
good
plantings
for
planter
boxes
like
what
would
be
a
good
material
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
the
other
tree
commissioners
have
any
suggestions.
G
Is
something
that
we
need
to
develop
for
the
standards
and
specification
manual?
It
seems
like
this
is
the
second
or
third
request
for
planters
over
the
course
of
the
last
year.
I
know
we
had
one
at
the
Museum
as
well,
and
it
would
be
good
if
the
the
city
agreed
on
a
standard
design
that
that
we
could
use
that
can
best
facilitate
plant
growth
based
on
the
size
or
the
size
of
the
plant.
G
L
Might
have
to
look
and
see
what
our
current
square
footage
your
cubic
footage
of
soil
standard
is
for
something
as
small
as
a
shrub
or
a
small
tree.
I.
Don't
really
have
a
problem
with
the
planters
that
are
on
site.
I.
Understand
that
you
know
you
need
to
maintain
pedestrian
and
ad8
clearance
through
there
so
going
wider.
It
doesn't
get
you
there.
The
way
going
around
does.
A
If
that's
something
that
the
the
Commission
feels
comfortable
with
I
will
just
add
that
if
this
alternative
compliance
is
approved,
it
becomes
the
three
tree
requirement.
So
any
required
landscaping
has
a
maintenance
requirement.
So
if
we
find
at
some
point
that
the
materials
not
being
maintained-
and
that
would
include
the
material
around
the
site
as
well
as
the
planter
boxes,
then
we
could
approach
the
property
owner
and
get
them
to
take
action
to
either.
You
know
replant
or
fix
the
fix,
whatever
they
can
through
zoning
enforcement
measures.
A
B
G
I
think
that
they're
showing
four
trees
back
there
that
are
either
dogwoods
or
red
buds,
I
can't
really
tell
which-
and
those
were
both
freeze
that
tend
to
underperform
in
the
long
run.
So
if
it
went
something
with
at
least
more
of
a
medium
sized
that
we,
you
know,
get
a
larger
canopy,
you
know,
reduction
of
three
trees
would
seem
appropriate
or
if
we
can
get
large
maturing
trees,
I,
don't
know
how
large
the
planting
strip
is.
But
it's
my
eyes
just
can't
I
just
cannot
see
the
drawing
very
well.
J
H
G
R
G
B
Would
you
let
me
continue
discussion
through
it,
but
did
you
still
want
them
to
look
at
the
planter
situation
can
get
that
try
to
get
some
kind
of
standard
in
the
work,
so
we
can
have
something
to
look
at
with
planters
that
may
be
more
sustainable
in
the
future.
As
we've
had
this
issue
come
up
several
times
right.
G
B
D
B
B
Q
B
N
Jennifer
Blevins
here
this
project
is
at
160
tunnel
Road,
which
is
at
the
corner
of
Tunnel
Road
and
Kenilworth
snow
at
the
site
of
the
former
mad
cows,
restaurant
and
bar,
and
the
project
is
for
a
redevelopment
of
the
site.
It
consists
of
the
demolition
of
the
existing
building
and
construction
of
a
new
dental
clinic
with
associated
parking.
N
There
are
some
existing
conditions
on
the
site
which
do
create
challenges
to
providing
all
of
the
landscaping
required
by
the
code
from
the
tunnel
road
frontage.
The
entirety
of
that
frontage
does
lie
within
the
floodway
of
Ross
Creek
and
there's
a
small
area
with
an
existing
utility
easement
along
Kenilworth,
Brooke
I'm,
sorry
Kenilworth
know
there
are
overhead
utility
lines
which
I
don't
think,
caused
an
issue
because
we
do
have
provisions
in
the
codes
to
allow
for
smaller,
maturing
trees
under
overhead
utility.
N
The
individual
requests
are
listed
in
your
staff
report
and
they
include
reductions
to
Street
trees
and
Street
buffer
shrubs,
along
both
Tunnel
Road
and
Kenilworth
no
and
on
Tunnel
Road.
That
is
a
complete
reduction,
elimination
of
street
trees
and
Street
purpose
or
shrubs,
and
then
a
reduced
width,
planting
strip
on
Kenilworth
know
as
well
as
reductions
to
parking
lot
and
building
impact
landscaping.
P
N
N
N
Exceed
the
maximum
allowance
for
parking
for
the
particular
use
being
proposed
and
I
think
those
factors
would
allow
for
the
accommodation
of
a
majority
of
the
parking
lot
and
building
impact
landscaping
and
there
are
restrictions,
but
it
is
permissible
to
plant
trees
and
shrubs
within
the
floodway.
We
do
have
city
staff
this
and
work
with
the
applicants
to
determine
exactly
what
would
be
allowed
in
that
area.
B
G
B
P
G
J
Utility
easement
and
the
floodway
they're
in
love
each
other,
but
essentially
I,
think
I'm
going
from
memory
now,
but
I
believe
it
is
almost
the
curved
line
it
is
existing.
This
shows
right
here
to
remain
so
somewhere.
I
believe
right
in
here
is
the
edge
of
it.
Maybe
Ross
Creek,
there's
a
tiny
portion
of
Ross
Creek
this
day,
lighted
right
here
and
there's
a
hard
right
and
heads
down
under
ton
right,
Nancy.
Q
C
Please
really
familiar
with
this
property
and
I
know:
Ross
Creek
there
and
it's
probably
about
10
to
12
feet
even
about
I'm
gonna,
guess
about
20
feet
wide
and
it's
got
an
embankment
on
it
and
I.
Personally,
in
the
eight
years
I've
been
watching
it
I've
never
seen
it
flood,
although
I've
seen
water
course
through
it
and
I
know
that,
because
it's
in
a
flood
great
over
spill
area,
I
have
never
seen
it
over
spill.
But
I
know
that
doesn't
mean
anything.
C
There's
plenty
of
room
plant
in
that
area
and
plenty
of
trees
that
both
in
in
that
area
that
I'm
gonna
get
washed
away
because
I've
never
seen
this
flood
and
it's
never
been
maintained
by
the
city
or
the
county.
I
forget
who
it
is
so
I
think
that
there
can
be
at
least
planted
in
that
area
without
any
problem.
Unless
there
is
a
restriction
saying
that
we
cannot
fit
these
so.
J
The
way
in
somewhere
along
the
creek
bank,
where
the
curb
line
is
the
flood
French,
which
is
the
flood
plain
regulatory
flood
plain,
comes
up
onto
the
site
and
crooking
comes
up.
This
way,
a
little
bit
wished
show
the
exists
of
one
corner
of
the
existing
building
in
the
floodplain
area.
The
floodway
has
very
restrictive.
Rules
are
based
on
FEMA
and
natural
flood
insurance
program.
C
I
know
this
property
so
well,
and
they're
gonna
put
parking
in
that
front
area,
but
they're
exceeding
by
on
several
parking
spaces
on
how
they're
gonna
relocate
that
building,
where
trees
could
sit,
how
the
building
is
as
a
person
with
existing
building
is
now.
What
I'm
trying
to
say
is
how
they've
got
the
building
design.
They
have
got
room
for
trees
on
and
what's
confusing
me
is
I
can't
see
where
they
can't
plant
the
one
they
cannot
plant
where
that
flood
wave
fringes
where
they're
allowed
to
plant.
P
We've
been
told
that
there
are
lots
of
restrictions
on
that
the
city
engineering
department
has
given
us
has
stated
that
we
have
a
no
rise
requirement.
We
cannot
do
anything
that
will
cause
any
rise
in
the
in
that
embankment,
but
the
area
that
shade
in
red
is
also
a
city,
sanitary
sewer,
easement
and
as
our
understanding
that
we
are
not
allowed
to
plant
trees
in
a
city
public
utility
easement.
So
that
was
the
reason
both
of
those
items
combined
were
the
reason
why
we
do
not
have
any
plantings
facing
Tunnel
Road.
P
P
N
Sounds
like
we
need
to
get
with
MSD
and
get
a
more
updated
map
showing
their
exact
current
sewer
line
easement.
It
could
be
that
you
were
working
Caleb
promoter,
information,
I,
know
that
can
doing
of
work
on
a
long
tunnel
road
for
some
time
now.
But
it
sounds
like
that's
something
that
we
need
to
ensure.
We
know
exactly
where
their
easement,
where
the
extent
of
their
evening
is
currently
sure.
P
Mean
I
would
have
to
look
through
my
files,
but
we
when
we
before
we
start
design
the
project
we
had
full
survey
of
the
property,
including
all
to
survey,
so
that
would
have
pulled
that
would
have
they
research
all
the
easements
very
thoroughly.
So
so
I
mean
that
that
should
be.
You
know
it
wasn't
done
yesterday,
but
it
should
be
fairly
current.
C
P
C
Here's
another
thing:
you've
got
16-foot,
canopy
and
bees
are
gonna,
get
there
after
9:00
and
gone,
which
is
fine
and
dandy.
The
amount
of
surface
area
you're
gonna
have
the
hardscape
without
a
matted
Beija.
Putting
in
is
considerable,
considering
you're,
adding
more
parking
spaces
and
less
trees.
This.
C
N
Thought
I
was
going
to
point
out
that,
in
order
to
exceed
the
maximum
parking
allowance
for
the
youth,
they
are
required
to
and
are
proposing
to
provide
pervious
pavers
for
the
spaces
that
are
in
excess
and
they
are
tied
in
to
in
order
to
maintain
their
pervious
nation's
nature.
They
are
tied
into
the
current
or
the
proposed
watering
them.
There's
that
correct
Caleb
that.
P
Is
correct?
We
are,
there
is
an
increase.
The
amount
of
parking
is
war
than
is
allowed
by
code
for
our
new
use,
but
we,
even
even
without
taking
those
pervious
pavement
that
fergus
payment
into
account.
We
are
increasing,
we
are
decreasing
about
increasing
per
site,
but
you
are
correct.
Those
additional
parking
spaces
are
pervious
pavement
pavement,
as
is
required
by
the
code.
Okay
reason
for
the
increase
in
parking
is
because
we
have
to
it's
a
dental
office.
We
have
to
accommodate
the
dentists,
hygienists
and
other
staff
and
also
have
probation
parking.
P
G
P
Have
no
objection
to
planting
trees
along
Tunnel
Road,
our
are
ever
everything
that
we
have
been
told
from
a
city
killed
this
until
it's
very
meaning
has
been
there.
They
there.
We
are
not
allowed
to
have
any
impact
to
that
embankment
because
of
the
marry
requirement
for
flood,
and
this
is
a
sanitary
sewer
easement.
So
there
are
no
no
tree
plantings
are
allowed
in
it.
P
G
P
I'm
not
aware
of
any
ants
I
mean
I've
seen
their
reason
to
think
that's
on,
but
I
will
definitely
confirm
that
we
can
definitely
reach
out
to
sea
staff
to
confirm
that
it
is
still
there,
but
we've
done
every
now.
Do
you
diligence?
We
can
possibly
do
to
confirm
that
sewer.
Easement
is
there.
If
that
sewer,
isn't
there?
We
have
other
problems,
Lou
the
development,
because
that's
what
we're
tying
in.
G
J
They
have
to
be
done
sites
in
a
certain
way
and
I
I
know
that
I
know
the
state
and
I've
looked
at
the
flood
study
that
ace
a
sidewalk
requirement
trigger
to
rise.
If
on
this
property,
so
they're
looking
at
very,
very
minimal
changes
within
the
flood
way.
Otherwise
they
will.
They
could
potentially
impact
other
properties,
and
we
have
to
have
the
engineering
studies
showing
that
they
don't.
J
J
Want
riparian
zones,
we
do
want
vegetative
riparian
zones,
but
when
you're
in
the
fidelity
environment,
all
of
those
factors
such
as
the
way
that
the
string
Bank
like
because
most
of
this
is
actually
a
hardened
dream
bank.
That's
you
stress
that
the
way
the
water
flows
is
all
modeled,
so
no
specific
situation.
We
may
require
a
flood
study
for
the
trees.
Sometimes
we
do.
Sometimes
we
don't.
It
depends
on
the
exact
situation.
I.
G
Want
to
go
on
record
as
saying
that
river
bank,
river
birch
trees
grow
along
banks
in
flood
ways
and
they've
done
it
for
tens
of
thousands
of
years
without
any
engineering
study,
and
it
would
be
pretty
easy
to
put
a
staggered
row
of
river
birch
trees
there
without
without
really
creating
any
elevation
or
obstruction.
So
that's
hanging
up
trying
to
figure
out
if
this
is
an
impossible
thing
or
if
it
may
be
possible.
So
if
it's
impossible
plant
trees
there,
then
we
just
move
on.
L
More
Foster
I
can
chime
in
on
GIS.
It
does
still
show
asteroid
running
through
that
property.
It's
not
down
in
the
creek,
that's
showing
it
on
the
parcel
side
of
the
creek
and
to
add
to
your
observation
about
River,
birches
they're,
also
large
maturing
3,
and
you
have
overhead
high
voltage.
So
the
tree
that
likes
water
but
maybe
doesn't
get
so
far,
might
be
more
ideal.
Okay,.
L
C
G
L
C
E
This
is
Amy,
can
I
ask
a
question
please.
So,
even
if
Tunnel
Road
can't
be
planted
on
that
side,
why
are
so
many
of
the
trees
not
being
put
in
on
the
rest
of
the
site?
I
understand
the
need
for
parking,
but
we
need
canopy.
P
If
you
look
at
the
frontage
along
Kenilworth
Knowles,
we
have,
we
have
two
large.
We
have.
We
have
two
two
driveways,
that's
existing
condition,
we're
keeping
that
condition
we
have.
You
know:
we've
got
the
sidewalk
along
the
street,
so
that
leaves
a
pretty
narrow
planting
strip.
We
also
have
to
have
space
for
a
water
meter
to
connect
to
we.
The
building
has
to
have
water.
We've
got
to
have
water
meter.
That
requires
a
20-foot
utility
easement.
So
all
those
things
combined
really
eat
away
at
the
available
area
for
trees.
P
B
C
C
P
Grab
that
is
correct.
We
have
additional
spaces
above
the
maximum
required
by
code,
because
those
are
necessary
for
the
patients
and
the
staff,
but,
like
we
mentioned
earlier,
those
additional
spaces
are
impervious
pate.
They
are
pervious
using
their
pervious
pavement
permeable
pavement,
as
required
by
code,
so
that
will
mitigate
the
additional
additional
parking
lot
area
in
terms
of
stormwater
I.
H
Agree:
I
think
that
particular
spot
on
tunnel
road
is
so
exposed
and
lacks
so
much
shade
that
it
would
really
add
a
lot
to
add.
Some
shade
to
that
area
would
be
a
good
take
back
Tunnel
Road
a
little
bit
and
and
whether
or
not
some
of
the
true
some
more
trees
could
go
in
on
the
eastern
boundary
of
the
property
seemed
worth
investigating
as
well,
even
if
it
is
narrow
strip.
H
If
it's
enough
for
trees.
That
seems
like
a
great
way
to
get
four
trees
in
there,
as
well
as
what
Steven
said
about
replacing
shrubs
with
trees.
I.
Imagine
the
dental
practice
probably
would
prefer
to
have
low-lying
vegetation
in
front
of
the
lane
along
the
frontage
with
tunnel
road
for
disability
purposes,
but
this
is.
G
C
B
Q
We
just
went
through
one
review.
It
was
a
couple
months
ago
now
and
where
you
Dudek
ovid,
have
been
kind
of
delayed
on
our
variance
hearing.
We've
got
a
variant
Syria
for
the
floodway.
Then
we've
got
a
couple,
other
exceptions,
free
utility,
install
and
then
we've
got
obviously
a
weather
review,
so
it
wheats
another
review
so
Nancy.
What
do
you
think,
maybe
into
the
year,
fall
from
permit
issuance
with
all
the
variants
and
all
the
other
strengths
we've
gotta
go
through
I.
J
B
Well,
I
think
we
could
I
think
we
could
look
at
this
again
next
meeting
with
some
more
information,
and
you
know
if,
if
everything's
as
we
discussed,
we
could
make
it
clear
recommendation.
Then,
if
the
you
know,
we
would
know
about
the
sewer
line
then,
and
we
would
know
what
might
be
allowable
as
far
as
the
flood
issue
and
I
think
we're
probably
in
agreement
about
taking
out
some
shrubs
and
getting
a
few
over
trees.
N
And
sannan-san
and
Caleb
I
am
more
than
happy
to
sit
down
with
you
and
have
a
separate
meeting
and
see
if
we
can
look
at
some
areas
where
you
might
do
that
very
thing.
Replace
this
drug
with
a
tree,
look
at
some
of
the
sizes
of
your
planting
areas
and
see
if
there's
any
way
to
make
that
a
little
larger
so
that
you
could
get
a
tree
in
there.
That
could
be
sustained
as
we
do
have.
N
C
B
C
D
K
B
O
Yeah,
that's
correct.
Mr.
chairman,
my
name
is
white
dealing
with
the
development
services
department.
The
next
case
is
115
common
road,
the
properties
on
regional
business,
side,
composite
of
1.17
acres
and
there's
an
existing
building
may
be
familiar
with
Applebee's
and
there's
a
new
clinic
going
in,
but
there
was
a
delay
in
the
tenant
going
back
into
this
building,
so
it's
in
more
than
two
years
that
it's
been
vacant
and
so
the
cave
acquires
precisely
brought
in
compliance
with
all
the
requirements
of
the
Indian.
O
This
particular
case
the
applicant
is
requesting
and
reduction
in
the
size
of
interior
tree
islands
to
islands
that
are
five
hundred
110
square
feet
in
size,
with
average
width
less
than
ten
feet
in
some
areas
would
even
go
below
that
five
feet,
and
so
the
code
requires
interior
tree
islands
to
be
a
minimum
of
200
square
feet
per
tree
minimum
with
an
average
minimum
with
the
Tempe,
with
no
width
one
two
posse
again.
This
isn't
just
a
site.
The
number
of
trees
that
are
on
site
do
meet
the
requirements
of
the
code.
B
The
site
today,
I
did
have
one
question:
there's
some
ribbons
around
a
couple
of
trees,
I
didn't
know
whether
they
were
proposed
for
removal
or
not
they
they
didn't.
Look.
They
weren't
obvious.
They
young
healthy
or
anything.
What
was
a
Bradford
pear
my
favorite
tree,
but
I
didn't
know
like
it
was
gonna,
come
down
right
away
or
anything.
S
This
is
Sam
9,
the
engineer
for
the
application
when
I
went
by
the
site
and
in
January
or
February
those
ribbons
were
there
as
well.
I
took
pictures
all
night
I'm,
not
sure
why
they're
there
I
don't
think
that
they're
supposed
to
be
taken
down,
and
it
might
be
that
just
need
to
call
the
other
and
telling
me
to
get
those
ribbons
off
of
them
unless
we
are
yeah
all.
B
O
A
combination
of
the
original
landscape
plan
with
some
additional
plantings
that
could
satisfy
some
current
code
requirements
for
Street
buffer.
So
that's
the
shrubbery
that
you're
seeing
that
is
currently
not
on
site.
That's
been
added
to
this
branch.
There
was
also
one
street
tree
that
was
removed
by
the
previous
ten
of
the
long
tunnel
roads
and
they
are
proposing
to
put
a
new
tree
in
its
place.
O
The
only
thing
I
would
add,
if
you
don't
mind,
is
I
would
suggest
that
we
don't
go
back
in
on
the
total
road
side
of
things
and
add
another
large
from
country
because
of
the
overhead
utilities,
even
though
all
the
metals
that
are
there
they're
doing,
okay
but
they're,
obviously
between
the
lines.
So
perhaps
we
don't
put
a
maple
back
there
maybe
put
some
lush
long
turn
tree
and
that
particular
location,
okay,.
I
B
I
C
G
G
C
K
B
B
G
B
K
Hello,
my
name
is
Sami
Simpson
I
have
lived
at
the
lower
end
of
our
skin
Apartments
in
Asheville
for
eight
years
at
forty.
Four
X
constrain
this
past
year
that
cut
a
bunch
of
trees
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
parking
lot
area
about
four,
so
very
old,
large
trees
and
one
smaller
one
who
gave
the
kids
a
place
to
climb
and
the
best
shady
parking
spot
in
the
lot
they're
gone
now
missed.
K
The
space
seems
so
empty
I
tried
to
get
a
free
tree
from
the
giveaway
program,
but
when
I
entered
my
address,
that
would
not
accept
it.
I
don't
know
if
that's
because
I
live
in
public
housing
or
because
they
already
planted
a
fruit
tree
grove
here,
but
that
is
by
the
entrance
at
the
top
of
the
hill.
Maybe
the
other
reason
trees
may
have
been
removed,
don't
know
if
they
are
sick
or
something
is
because
they
put
new
cameras
on
top
of
the
apartments
I'm,
not
sure.
K
I
This
is
dawn
and
the
tree
giveaway
that
Sammy
is
referring
to
is
the
Greenworks
Cree,
giveaway
and
she's
correct
in
saying
that
the
we
we
don't
give
trees
the
public
housing
the
developments,
because
the
housing
authority
is
the
one
that
owns
the
property
has
to
make
those
decisions.
At
the
same
time,
we
three
works
is
working
with
the
city
of
Asheville
and
the
Housing
Authority
to
plant
trees
within
the
Southside
developments,
which
include
our
skin
Livingston
Walton
in
the
fall
in
November.
I
I
B
E
G
B
C
J
Oh,
so
not
to
use
so
it's
easier
for
you
to
comment
and
make
suggestions
on
and
say
that
at
the
next
meeting
we
can
have
your
detailed
conversations
about
the
recommended
tree
species
list
and
get
it
updated
for
where
it
needs
to
be
for
the
tree
protection
tips
to
run
along
that
and
make
sure
you
clean
everything
up
and
make
sure
we
have
one
recommended
list.
One.
D
B
B
The
wheels
turned
slowly
some
time,
but
eventually
get
a
rain.
Ok
budget
discussion,
I,
really
don't
have
much
of
an
update.
I
think
you
still
left
over
from
the
last
meeting
that
we
had
that
we
were
proposing
just
for
March
and
we
all
know
the
budget
is
in
question.
Now.
What's
going
to
happen,
though,
the
city
budget
and
they're
gonna
have
to
make
some
cuts
in
various
things.
So
it's
really
not
much
to
discuss
right
now,
except
in
the
future.
We
want
to
push
ahead
for
Civic
program.
B
G
H
The
tree
cover
in
public
housing
is,
is
a
racial
justice
issue.
That's
very
much
tied
in
with
over
policing,
and
the
desire
to
tree
covers
that
police
can
see
people
better
in
public
housing,
and
so
that
obviously
has
impacts
on
people's
quality
of
life.
So
as
a
racial
justice
issue
in
public
in
terms
of
tree
cover
in
public
housing,
I
just
want
to
highlight
how,
as
this
conversation
moves
ahead
in
Asheville
about
how
can
we
reallocate
resources
which
are
devoted
to
policing
over
policing,
I
would
suggest
and
where
those
resources
should
be
redirected?
H
B
Agree
completely,
you
can
see
the
disparity
immediately
when
you
look
Anna,
P
or
anything
is
you
know
it's
very
obvious
and
we
need
to
be
addressing
that
I
think
we
can.
You
know
we
might
have
some
opportunities
through
if
the
city
does
make
some
moves
to
reallocate
some
resources,
we
might
have
an
opportunity
to
partnering
with
Green
Works
or
something
to
move
in
better
to
somebody
else.
I
think
I.
G
Q
G
Did
we
in
in
I'll
ask
Patrick
in
insurance
who
to
help
me
with
this,
but
we
met
with
Deborah
about
six
weeks
ago,
Deborah
Campbell,
and
we
we
acknowledge
that
recognizing
the
difficulty,
the
city's
facing
with
the
budget
that
it
may
it
was
appropriate
for
us
to
pull
back
on
our
request.
I
almost
used.
The
word
demand.
It
was
more
of
a
demand
that
we
fund
an
urban
forest
position,
urban
forest
master
plan.
G
At
the
same
time,
we've
also
asked
the
city
to
take
a
look
at
some
of
our
concerns
and
and
to
think
to
entertain
some
of
our
ideas
about
strengthening
that
the
tree
protection
ordinance
amendment,
most
importantly,
was
to
adopt
a
zero
net
loss
canopy
standard
along
with
some
other
recommendations.
It
was
a
good
conversation
with
Deborah
and
she
agreed
with
our
urgency
to
reduce
the
loss
of
canopy
and
make
the
best
shot
at
this
ordinance.
Amendment
with
that
we
can
we've
since
sent
some
revisions
to
development
services.
G
G
They
didn't
feel
very
comfortable
with
the
zero
net
loss
canopies
language
that
we
wrote
into
the
draft
amendment
because,
for
fear
of
pushback,
from
developers
and
and
from
the
state
legislature
ultimately,
but
agreed
that
this
we
can
work
with
the
city
to
move
towards
adopting
a
zero
net
loss.
Canopy
policy
that
would
be
a
host
of
recommendations
that
the
tree
Commission
would
offer
to
reverse
the
loss
of
tree
canopy
in
the
future
enhance
the
canopy
that
we
have
and
then
plant
more
trees.
G
So
it
really
comes
down
or
it
circles
back
to
what
we're
calling
an
urban
forest
master
plan.
So
I
think
we
just
have
to
spend
a
little
time
and
working
with
the
city
with
some
language
that
the
city
is
willing
to
accept
so
that
they
can
vote
on
a
policy
recognizing
that,
in
the
context
of
climate
change,
heat
island
and
everything
else
that
that
the
city
wants
to
be
a
zero
net
lost
city.
And
then
we
start
taking
actions,
we're
placing
actions
behind
that
and
ultimately,
once
funding
is
available.
G
F
Amendment
ordinance
I,
understand
the
where
the
city's
coming
from
in
terms
of
not
wanting
push
back
from
Ella
pers
I
understand
that
concern
about
you
don't
want
to
state
legislature
to
their
ears
up
and
act
local
authority
that
the
city
has
to
enact
such
ordinance.
Amendment
I
understand
the
legal
concerns
expressed
by
Eric
about
including
zero
net
loss
language.
O
F
Know,
while
I
have
all
the
faith
in
weekly
and
bloody
and
irrigation,
and
ever
Campbell
and
others
that
they
support
the
zero
net
loss
policy
or
not,
may
not
be
here.
Two
years
from
now
and
as
but
and
an
eric
said,
putting
things
in
a
policy
makes
it
easier
to
change
that
in
an
ordinance.
That's
a
double-edged
sword
from
my
standpoint,
because
it's
easier
to
change
if
we
find
out
that
we
need
to
include
additional
programs
to
achieve
zero
net
loss
urban
tree
canopy.
F
Likewise,
if
we
have
a
new
city
manager,
new
director
of
development
services,
it's
also
easy
for
them
to
say
no
we're
just
gonna.
Take
this
policy
so
some
degree
without
having
his
at
least
an
official
recognition
by
the
city
of
zero
net
loss
policy
for
the
tree
protection
amendment
is
taken
before
the
City
Council.
F
Without
zero
net
loss,
language
I
can't
help
but
feel
that
we're
buying
a
pig
in
a
poke
and
so
I
would
really
firmly
strongly
like
see
us
pursue
making
to
the
City
Council
a
zero
net
policy
resolution
or
whatever
the
process
is
before
the
City
Council
votes
on
a
treatment
section
and
without
any
zero
net
loss.
Language
I.
C
Agree
with
Patrick,
but
when
I
brought
that
up
at
the
meeting,
not
Patrick
just
said
but
my
worried
and
they
said
that
they
would
revisit
it.
He'd
visit
it
in
a
year
and
I
commented.
What
is
the
city
ever
revisited
an
ordinance
and
and
I
and
convinced
me
that
they
would
and
we
would
have
the
banner
within
that
year.
C
G
E
G
E
A
question
of
the
working
group,
so
where
are
we
at
so
we
have
the
ordinance
and
the
tree
protection
and
all
of
that
in
place,
and
so,
where
are
we
at
with
getting
that
to
Council,
even
without
the
new
language?
You
know
just
fill
us
in
on
the
process.
The.
M
Is
that
is
correct?
We
were
trying
to
get
this
to
the
August
4th
City
Council
meeting,
which,
because
it's
an
amendment
to
the
not
only
the
unified
development
ordinance,
but
the
zoning
map-
we've
also
got
to
get
it
to
the
July
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
So
we
do
have
somewhat
of
a
tight
timeline,
not
to
say
we
still
don't
have
time
to
have
these
discussions
and
certainly
for
a
pair
of
policy.
B
There's
there's
an
important
point:
we
need
to
make
here.
I,
don't
think
it's
been
captured
in
what
we're
talking
about
so
far
there's
if
we
have
an
ordinance
that
works
each
site
being
no
net
loss,
that's
different
than
having
a
cumulative
effect
of
no
net
loss.
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
concern
that
we
don't
go
site
by
site,
but
we
go
in
a
cumulative
manner.
That's
one
reason:
the
city
recommended
a
policy
rather
than
the
ordinance
is
the
vehicle
for
doing
that.
It's
like
renewables.
G
Correct
Steve
and
I've
said
this
many
times
it's,
it's
not
just
incumbent
upon
the
city
to
reverse
the
loss
of
canopy.
It
takes
a
full
array
of
programs,
practices,
policies,
partnerships
and
behavior
will
change
and
that's
the
urban
forestry
master
plan
is
about.
So
we
do
take
a
landscape
scale
perspective
on
this
thing
and
spread
the
love
so
that
everybody
everybody
does
you
know,
takes
on
their
responsibilities.
G
B
E
Is
a
mean
one
more
time:
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
totally
agree
with
Patrick's
goal:
the
idea
that
the
city
needs
to
support
no
net
loss,
but
especially
in
light
of
budget
constraints
and
the
lack
of
a
master
plan.
An
urban
forester
I
think
that
getting
the
best
ordinance
amendment
that
we
can
put
forward
in
place
as
soon
as
possible
is
very
important,
and
that's
what
I
would
recommend
we
work
toward,
so
that
we
have
something
to
go
on.
F
B
E
G
C
I
M
Chairman
I
would
I
would
maybe
I
don't
know
that
I
don't
know
that
the
meeting
minutes
for
the
ordinance
is
the
proper
venue
to
make
a
recommendation
on
the
policy.
I
think
you
have
the
ability,
as
a
board
already
right,
make
those
types
of
considerations
and
make
those
formal
recommendations
to
the
council,
no
I
think
again.
I
think
you
already
had
the
ability
to
do
that.
It.
H
Just
one
thought
here,
maybe
there's
a
middle
path
which
would
be
for
the
folks
who
are
working
with
city
staff
right
now
on
the
tree,
protection
ordinance
to
simply
float
it
by
the
city
staff
who
they're
working
with
and
see
what
the
response
is
and
if
there's
resistance
there.
Then
we
know
that
it
would
create
delay
and
trip
up
the
process
and
if
there's
a
willingness
to
go
forward
with
that
as
one
package,
then
maybe
there
is
a
way
to
do
it
without
tripping
up
and
slowing
down
the
work.
H
I
Think
we
can
look
at
other
resolutions
that
have
been
passed
by
council
like
the
hundred
percent
renewable
resolution.
This
is
very
similar
to
that
proposal
and
see
how
that
was
worded
and
proposed
and
put
together
our
own
I.
Don't
think
we
should
keep
pushing
this
off
I
think
it's
something!
That's
important!
A
relatively
easy,
highly
visible
win
for
urban
tree
canopy
mm-hmm.
B
B
Yeah
yeah,
okay!
Well
as
I
take
it.
The
sense
of
the
Commission
is
for
the
working
group
to
continue
dialogue
about
how
to
how
to
deal
with
the
policy
and
have
some
questions
of
the
city
and
perhaps
draft
something
that
we
can
talk
about
have
is
that
that
the
general
consensus?
Okay,
all
right
so
dude-
is
a
working
group
all
right.
The
next
thing
is
open
space
and.
B
B
Since
they're
close
and
timing,
they
said
he
did,
staff
did
agree
to
that,
and
so
they
will
probably
be
both
be
going
to
City
Council.
About
the
same
time
for
approval,
we
did
have
a
meeting.
The
working
group
did
last
week
regarding
open
space,
and
we
did
make
some
working
group
did
make
some
recommendations
to
the
city.
I,
don't
know
where
those
stand
right
now
anybody
want
to
add
yes.
F
C
Innocent
kiss
comments
to
our
suggestions
about
40
days
ago.
I
looked
at
it
really
quick.
This
is
just
somebody
was
suggesting
or
the
ideas
that
he
was
presenting.
I
think
our
hardest
part
is
going
to
be
trying
to
work
in
the
new
EPA
with
open
space.
That's
that's
kind
of
like
a
complicated
process.
I
haven't
really
sat
down
yet
I,
don't
know
Karen.
If
you
had
a
chance
to
look
at
what
I
said,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
tricky
one.
It
is
it's
very
difficult
to
wade
through
open
space.
H
B
I
B
G
Discuss
a
special
designation
for
what
we're
calling
heritage
trees
in
the
tree,
protection
Amendment,
which
is
based
on
size
and
condition.
I
can't
remember
exactly
what
it
was,
but
the
whole
idea
is
to
recognize
the
unique
nature
of
large
growing
mature
trees
and
giving
giving
as
an
incentive
builders
double
credit
for
their
protection,
double
canopy
credit,
but
also
providing
a
double
canopy
penalty
if
the
trees
removed.
So
it's
sort
of
recognizing
that
that
we
do
have
heritage
trees
in
the
community
and
it's
worth
making
that
extra
effort
to
try
to
save
them.
G
My
brain
just
stopped
working
helping
on
trees
treasure
trees.
Thank
you,
of
course,
those
are
all
privately
owned.
Trees,
people
that
that
you
know
want
to
recognize.
You
know
something
special
they
have
in
their
yards,
but
you
know,
is
there
a
way
to
give
these
trees
some
special
protected
status
as
well?
I
think
I.
Think
the
next
step
after
we
get
this
heritage
tree
thing
adopted
in
the
ordinance
is
to
pursue
the
historic
designation,
because
I
think
you
know
we
can
really
probably
do
a
lot
more
with
that.
B
B
F
F
Commission
members
to
view
I
did
meet
with
Nancy
Haley,
but
it
seems
like
years
ago
now
and
he
had
a
very
good
discussion
website
for
some
things
that
the
city
was
going
to
get
back
to
me
on
I'm
sure.
Given
all
that's
transpired
since
the
early
part
of
the
tear
just
other
things
have
come
up,
though
elastic
we
back
on
the
agenda
for
the
July
meeting.
B
C
B
Yeah
Karen
MacNeil,
so
I,
don't
know
whether
we
have
that.
Do
you
have
that
letter
Nancy
that
you
could
show
it's
in
it
to
you,
it's
just
so
it's
a
letter
actually
to
the
instead
of
Karen
proposed.
Sending
it
to
the
mayor
is
the
idea
that
it
would
go
to
the
governor
eventually,
but
first
to
Buncombe,
County
Commission
for
recognizing
October
oak
Awareness
Month
in
Buncombe
County.
B
B
F
G
C
B
B
S
B
D
B
B
I
B
F
Yes,
so
County
Schools
is
proposing
putting
a
three
thousand
square
foot
addition
to
the
hog
Creek
Elementary
School
in
Asheville
plans
for
the
development
balls
for
a
stormwater
retention
pond,
and
that
would
necessitate
taking
out
more
than
16,
which
were
trees
and
a
pristine
wooded
area
that
has
nature
trails
that
community
residents
have
used
for
years.
In
fact,
I
think
it
was
unity
residents
who
betrayal.
F
According
to
the
county's
plans,
they
are
going
to
use
tree
credits
instead
of
meeting
the
requirements
of
building
or
planting
13
impact,
trees
and
I
think
26
rugs
so
exalt.
This
development
is
that
we're
going
to
lose
more
than
16
mature
trees
and
the
county
is
not
going
to
lease
according
to
their
plans
now,
and
even
one
tree
replaced
the
loss
of
those
trees
in
Italy
a
well
Technical
Review
Committee
has
given
tentative
approval
to
the
project.
It
did
ask
for
the
developers
to
revise
and
resubmit
which
they
did
last
week.
F
Issue
here
is
this
as
yet
another
situation
where
we
lose
a
lot
of
trees
and
we
get
nothing
in
return
and
again
it
goes
back
to
the
zero
net
loss
that
were
trying
to
achieve
and
the
reversal
of
the
loss
of
our
tree
canopy.
So
I
had
a
beef
discussion
with
him
fairly.
Who
is
the
director
of
facilities
in
planning
for
Buncombe
County
Schools
and
is
the
project
director
he
agreed
to
think
about
entering
into
discussions
around
planting
trees,
project
site.
F
Obviously,
they're
not
required
to
do
that.
The
only
pressure
that
we
have
to
get
the
county
to
reconsider,
that
is
through
public
pressure
and
so
I
have
drafted
a
letter
that
would
go
to
mr.
Farrelly
to
the
chair
of
the
Buncombe
County
Board
of
Education
and
to
chair
the
commissioners
with
copies
to
other
county
and
city
officials
asking
the
city
are
asking
the
county
if
they
would
take
another
look
at
their
storm
water
mitigation
plan,
but
very
minimum.
F
Consider
replacing
three
loss
on
the
property
and
we
don't
have.
We
have
a
very
short
window
of
time
to
do
this.
So
far.
The
the
hog
Creek
Community
Association
Board
of
Directors,
the
coalition
of
Nashville
neighborhoods
and
the
coalition
of
actual
neighborhood
board
of
directors,
have
supported
this
signing
this
leather
treatment.
D
B
F
F
It
would
have
to
go
up
and,
as
you
want
father
through
the
property
through
the
trees,
there
are
at
least
two
other
major
natural
swales
in
that
area.
So
a
part
of
the
problem
is,
none
of
us
are
engineers
and
looking
at
the
engineer
plan
and
their
calculations,
I
can
make
no
sense
of
it.
So
I
can
only
assume
that
both
state
and
city
of
actual
storm
water
mitigation
regulations.
We
require
some
kind
of
storm
water
mitigation,
but
you're
right
see.
So
they
seem
like
there's
a
lot
of
area
there
for
a
natural
water
retention.
C
So
none
of
the
neighbors
know
that
that
was
going
to
happen
that
they
were
gonna
have
to
do
this
when
they
increased
the
square
footage
of
this
building
or
increase
the
impact
in
the
square
footing,
so
that
was
left
out
and
what
they're
doing
is
they're
required.
I
think
it's
15
or
16
building
impact
trees
and
what
they're
doing
is
it's
a
wooded
site
so
they're
picking
out
four
three
that
are
qualified
for
those
15
trees
as
trees,
save
and
asking
for
3
credits?
C
That's
why
they're
not
doing
building
in
equities
they're,
just
gonna
take
poor
trees
that
are
on
the
site
and
use
those
as
credits,
so
they
don't
have
to
replant
and
also
one
more
thing
on
the
retention
pond.
There's
different
methods
of
them
having
to
landscape
and
what
they're
doing
is
they're
using
the
less
expensive
method
of
sodding
it
and
just
putting
in
sod
around
it
as
opposed
to
native
grasses
or
shrubs
or
a
few
trees
that
don't
impact
it.
So
they're
choosing
just
have
a
Assad
strip,
and
so
that's
the
student,
fair
I
haven't.
G
Walked
the
site,
it's
clearly
a
one
of
the
larger,
continuous
areas
of
forest
land
remaining
in
the
city
with
that
size
and
that
unique
to
just
see
it
turned
into
a
storm
water
detention
facility
completely
breaks
my
heart,
there's
some
really
nice
trees
there
and
some
good
wildlife
on
the
property
into
Patrick's
point.
There
are
some
natural
features
that
might
lend
the
side
to
you.
A
more
natural
bias,
bias
whale
system
with
a
series
of
smaller
rear
structures
built
to
retain
the
flow
without
being
as
invasive
on
the
property.
G
E
Want
to
say
this
is
Amy,
while
we're
on
the
record,
my
daughter
went
to
hog
week,
Elementary
and
I've
reached
out
to
her
and
her
friends
and
they're
all
in
junior
high
now,
and
they
are
really
upset.
This
is
where
the
school
has
their
nature
interpretive
stations
as
well,
where
the
teachers
can
take
the
kids
out
and
walk
the
trails
while
they're
in
school,
and
they
have
little
stations
set
up
for
learning,
about
soils
and
insects
and
Wildlife
and
so
yeah.
E
G
Know,
that's
that's
good
information
and
we're
having
our
discussion
on
the
site.
Saturday.
You
know,
I
made
a
comment
to
Patrick
and
Sharon
that
this
is.
This
is
a
place
where
you
can
have
interpretive
learning.
So
the
fact
that
that's
been
done,
I
think,
is
something
we
should
mention
in
a
letter
Patrick
if
it's
not
too
late
to
make
a
tweak
here
or
there.
But
to
say
you
know
this
is
an
existing
outdoor
classroom,
that's
being
demolished
for
the
sake
of
building
classrooms,
maybe
not
say
that,
because.
E
F
Also
say
that
we
have
no
problem
with
the
boating
position.
You
know
that
that's
Hall,
Creek,
Elementary
School
but
we'll
say
I
talked
to
the
PTO
president,
who
is
a
forest
management
consultant,
and
he
said
that
they
were
aware
of
obviously
of
the
boat.
In
addition,
he
had
no
idea
they
were
going
to
put
in
a
stormwater
retention
pond
and
pick
out
a
whole
mess
of
trees.
He's
not
very
happy.
H
C
F
F
Ten
fairly,
he
said
he
would
think
about
meeting
with
us,
but
I
want
to
send
the
letter
with
all
the
Chinese
to
him
and
commissioners
to
guarantee
that
they
do
sit
down
with
us
and
have
some
discussions
considering
their
plans,
even
though
they're
not
required
to
do
that.
Even
though
they're
meeting
right
now
minimum
standards
required
by
our
you
do.
H
Well,
I
certainly
am
in
favor
of
seeing
us
get
on
this
moving
train
and
signing
on
to
the
letter
and
and
I'd
be
willing
to
make
a
motion
to
that
effect.
If,
if
we're
ready
for
that
stage,
yeah
I
think
we
are
okay.
I
move
that
the
Urban
Forestry
Commission
sign
on
to
the
letter
that
Ric
is
referenced
to
as
a
signatory
asking
for
these
changes
in
consideration
of
alternatives
for
the
retention
pond.
Okay,
do
we.
G
B
C
B
Good
discussion,
the
only
thing
other
thing
we
have
are
reports
that
were
nicely
submitted
and
I.
Don't
know
that
we,
if
anyone
has
any
questions
about
the
reports.
That
would
be
excellent,
but
there
look
like
they're.
Well
done
so.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
the
reports
that
were
submitted.