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From YouTube: Historic Resources Commission – September 13, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Historic Resources Commission.
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A
Good
afternoon
I'm
chair
Sue,
Oliver
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
all
of
you
to
the
September
2023
historic
Resources
Commission
meeting
the
HRC
is
a
quasi-judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
North
Carolina,
General
statutes,
the
city
of
Asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
Buncombe
County
ordinance.
We
are
authorized
to
hear
requests
for
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
alterations,
demolitions,
new
construction
and.
F
A
A
That
we
adopt
the
minutes
from
the
August
board
meeting
Commission
meeting.
Second.
G
A
A
And
standards
of
the
specific
historical
district
for
that
application,
the
HRC
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
HRC
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidance
guidelines
to
the
facts.
The
Commissioners
in
voting
for
an
item
will
not
have
a
fixed
opinion,
not
susceptible
to
change.
Have
a
conflict
of
interest
have
engaged
in
ex-party
communication
regarding
the
application
rules.
A
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historical
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion.
Witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony.
At
this
time,
I
will
administer
the
oath
for
all
individuals
who
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony.
E
I
Staff
report
and
my
feedback
is,
is
written
into.
J
J
One
thing
of
note
related
to
the
existing
building.
Before
we
jump
in
and
I
missed
this
detail,
it
was
brought
to
my
attention
that
the
that
that
particular
building
was
identified
in
a
recent
it
recent
there
was
a
recent
Highway
project
on
Swannanoa,
River
Road
and
whenever
those
occur
there
will
be
a
historic
resources,
survey
analysis
and
as
part
of
that
in
2018.
As
part
of
that
study,
it
was
noted
that
this
building
was
built
in
1968,
so
it
technically
meets
the
threshold
for
being
considered
a
historic
building
by
federal
standards.
J
So
it
was
identified
in
that
report
as
potentially
contributing
to
the
to
a
district
there's,
not
actually
a
National
Registry
District
in
Biltmore
Village
is
kind
of
complicated,
but
there's
a
multiple
resource
nomination
for
the
district.
So
it's
like
little
pockets.
You
know
the
cottages
and
then
a
few
buildings
scattered
throughout.
If
you
look
at
that
multi-resource
nomination.
J
So
this
was
just
a
reassessment
of
this
general
area,
and
that
was
one
thing
that
came
out
of.
It
was
identifying
potentially
newer
contributing
buildings
and
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
that
caveat.
It's
not
listed
as
a
as
a
contributing
building
in
the
local
historic
district
overlay,
which
I
did
include
some
documentation
based
on
a
question
at
a
prior
hearing.
C
J
To
the
local
overlay,
specifically
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that,
while
that
has
been
identified
and
brought
to
our
attention,
it's
not
contributing
a
present
to
the
local
overlay,
because
that
hasn't
been
has
has
not
been
updated.
So
don't
want
to
get
too
far
in
the
Weeds
on
that
we
can
later.
If
we
need
to
I,
don't
have
concerns
about
demolition
of
the
structure
because
I
don't
think
architecturally
it's
contributing
to
the
district
necessarily.
J
L
L
So
this
is
the
building
one
elevation
I'm
still
noting
concerns
on
pretty
much
all
of
the
building
sections
regarding
the
the
proposed
of
facade,
height,
I.
Think
the
architect
did
a
good
job
at
the
last
meeting
of
really
building
a
case
for
how
they
determine
the
facade
height,
but
I
think
you
know
if
you're
looking
at
this
kind
of
more
traditional
commercial
style
building,
you
would
measure
to
the
top
the
highest
point
of
the
parapet.
Wall,
which
is
not
where
the
30-foot
Benchmark
is
falling.
L
I
did
talk
to
the
architect
this
morning
about
all
my
you
know,
thoughts
and
feedback,
and
so
he's
you
know,
prepared
to
speak
to
my
concerns,
is
you
know,
anticipating
what
the
commission
likely
would
also
have
concerns
about
so
youth?
That's
really
just
the
gist
of
it.
For
all
of
the
elevations.
This
one
is
exceeding
the
30
foot
height
in
the
in
the
very
top
tallest
part
of
the
parapel
wall,
and
then
you
know
we
didn't
really
get
into
the
Weeds
on
the
step-backed
portion
of
this
forest
floor.
L
L
This
is
the
entrance
building.
I,
think
this
one
if
you
were
defining
facade
height
as
being
for
this
particular
style
of
of
roof
or
building
that
meeting
the
the
the
soffit
or
the
roof
overhang
that
wood.
L
L
So
then,
just
moving
around
this
is
building
two
also
exceeding
the
height
as
far
as
measuring
to
the
top
same
with,
and
this
one's
a
little
trickier,
I
think
in
my
mind,
along
even
last
time,
I
was
looking
at
the
what
the
dimension
is
to
the
top
of
the
Gable
lens.
Since
that
is
the
dominant
feature
on
this
building,
and
certainly
the
east
side
of
the
building
will
have
an
entrance.
L
So
I
think
that's
something
that
you
all
need
to
talk
about
today
in
terms
of
how
the
where
you're,
measuring
the
the
you
know
facade
height
for
this
building,
because
I
think
it's
probably
differing
opinions
on
that.
But
I
think
that
it
would
be
the
Gable,
the
Dormer
Gable
lens
because
they're
you
know
extending
so
far
down
into
the
to
the
first
floor,
and
then
they
did
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
building.
M
Four,
in
response
to
all
the
comments
and
feedback
they
heard
last
time,
I'm
still
not
still
struggling
with
this
one,
a
little
bit,
I
think
from
a
overall
height
and
massing.
M
So,
in
addition
to
the
overall
height
and
massing,
I
did
note
to
the
architect
this
morning
that
you
know
I
didn't
get
in
my
staff
report.
Last
time,
I
noted
that
I
wasn't
gonna
I
was
going
to
refrain
from
giving
my
you
know,
more
detailed
design
feature
feedback
until
we
got
kind
of
more
on
the
same
page
with
the
height
question
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
get
into
the
design.
You
know
elements
of
the
building
today,
I
well.
I
I'd
certainly
applaud
the
architect
on
this
project.
M
It's
definitely
one
of
the
most
interesting
architecturally
interesting
buildings
that
I've
seen
in
in
recent
years
in
our
city.
I
still
think
that
you
know
the
architectural
language
in
Biltmore
Village
is
pretty
restrained
and
a
little
a
little
simplified.
For
you
know
it
is
obviously
a
village,
so
I
I
did
mention
that
to
him.
Just
saying
you
know
this
by
this
building
is,
is
visually?
M
Has
a
lot
of
really
interesting
stuff
going
on
it
kind
of
think
that
there
are
some
places
where
you
know,
maybe
maybe
just
like
the
balconies
and
kind
of
the
decorative
elements
could
maybe
just
be
scaled
back
a
little
bit
to
be
more
more
modest,
like
the
other
architectural
detailing
in
the
district.
So
that
was
really
my
kind
of
General
comment.
Feedback
in
terms
of
the
architectural
or
the
the
architectural
features
go.
M
Let's
see
and
I
did
ask
for
some
additional
elevation
drawings
that
you
know
you
wouldn't
necessarily
see
building
four
from
the
other
side,
but
I
still
think
it's
important
to
see
what
that
elevate.
You
know
the
that
will
look
like
behind
it
regardless,
like
imagine
if
there
were
no
other
buildings
there
and
you
could
stand
really
far
away
and
see
that
I
think
that's
important
at
least
to
me.
I
also
wonder
like
when
I
was
in
Biltmore
Village
this
morning
and
I.
M
Wonder
if
you
know
the
perspective
renderings
are
wonderful,
but
how
will
this
be
like
a
big
presence
if
you're
looking
like
up
from
the
from
the
plaza
you
know,
and
how
does
it
fit
in
with
the
that
kind
of
axial
alignment
and
what
impact
will
it
have
to
that?
I
think
is
one
thing
that
I
was
thinking
about
when
I
was
in
the
district
this
morning,
so
yeah
I
think
that
was
really
I
mean
again.
N
Okay,
all
right
well
good
afternoon,
everyone,
it's
good
to
be
back
I'm.
N
My
name
is
Christian
sotillo
I'm,
an
architect,
a
preservationist,
a
planner
and
I
feel
like
I've
gotten,
to
know
this
group
a
little
bit
over
the
last
six
months
or
so,
as
we've
been
working
on
this
project,
and
it's
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
back
with
you
this
afternoon
to
share
to
share
my
summer
with
you,
I'm
joined
today
by
our
architectural
team
from
Raven
Architects
Jonathan
Cook
and
Alex
Campbell
Nick
Schumacher
from
The
Kessler
collection,
Jason,
Hammond
from
Kessler
collection
and
Matthew
Lehman,
also
of
the
Kessler
collection
who's
here
in
Asheville
at
the
Grand
Bohemian
in
in
the
Biltmore
Village.
N
So
we
appreciate
them
being
here
and
really
all
the
dialogue
we've
been
able
to
have
with
folks
about
the
project
so
without
further
Ado.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
review
where
we've
been
what
we've
been
working
on
and
and
as
we
do
that
address
some
of
the
comments
and
discussion
that
that
has
come
up
and
and
some
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
with
Alex.
We
put
a
book
together
sort
of
the
history
of
everything,
so
it's
sort
of
the
third
volume
of
this
Trilogy.
N
This
is
our
third
meeting
here
and-
and
it
really
goes
back
two
years
before-
that
we've
been
working
to
analyze
and
study
this
project
for
two
years
meeting
with
with
with
long-standing
Advocates
of
the
village
prior
to
even
coming
to
you
for
the
first
time
in
May.
N
So
we
put
it
all
in
one
sort
of
Master
Edition,
which
is
here,
but
I
also
wanted
to
show
sort
of
progress
from
our
June
meeting
to
today
and
how
we've
tracked
through
that
that
work
touching
on
a
few
oops,
a
few
key
elements
of
the
of
the
provisions
that
we
had
proposed
and
discussed
in
June.
There
were
some
broad
strategies
for
the
whole
project
that
we
had
talked
about
as
as
what
we
believed
could
be
done
and
and
have
now
done
those
things,
and
it
was
really
from
from
the
overall
strategy.
N
It
was
linking
the
number
of
stories
proposed
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
1992
Village
Development
plan,
which
are
two
and
a
half
stories
along
kitchen
Place.
Three
and
a
half
stories
along
Hendersonville
and
then
building
three
Which
is
closest
to
the
cathedral,
steps
down
further
to
two
and
a
half
stories
below
the
below
the
height
for
that
area.
O
E
O
The
multiple
Expressions
we've
come
to
know
these
buildings,
as
you
know,
building
one
and
two
and
three
and
four
we've
we've
kept
that
and
and
I
would
say
that
building
four
and
you'll
see
has
in
fact
sort
of
grown
into
multiple
Expressions
itself,
so
I
think
we're
up
to
like
not
nine
Expressions.
Now
on
this
project,
I'll
show
you
that
as
we
go,
but
we
we
felt
that
that
is
the
answer
to
this
site
and
and
we've
been
faithful
to
that.
O
Although
the
Expressions
have
changed
and
evolved
quite
a
bit,
it
took
us
actually
a
long
time
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that
well
and
bring
that
back
to
you
tonight,
for
you
know
with
the
final
design
and
then
we
had,
as
you
may
recall
way
back,
we
had
a
central
trellis
structure
and
that
evolved
into
what
we're
referring
to
as
an
entry
building
on
kitchen
place
that
completes
the
Mercantile
Street
Front
there.
O
P
Roof
in
the
original
design-
and
we
converted
that
that
was
the
one
that
probably
went
through
the
greatest
sort
of
identity
crisis.
It
went
from
this
gambrel
roof
to
a
Mercantile
character
and
it
presents
a
two-story
facade
today
on
kitchen
place,
with
the
setback
level,
behind
the
primary
facade
so
effectively
that
building
was
lowered
by
17
feet.
P
So
that
was
a
big,
a
big
change
there,
building
three
closest
to
the
cathedral,
the
one
that
we
refer
to
as
sort
of
saluting
All
Souls
and
completing
that
campus-
that
we
also
reduced
by
another
level
by
recessing
parts
of
our
building
program
actually
below
grade
in
that
area.
We
were
able
to
do
that
so
that
reduced
that
building
by
a
full
10
field
from
the
original
design
and
then
building
four
on
Hendersonville.
P
This
is
the
one
that,
when
we
reviewed
these
Concepts
in
June
I
think
we
heard
concurrence
at
one
two
and
three
were
on
a
good
path
and
like
there's
the
answer,
was
there
building
four?
We
would
not
we
weren't
there,
yet
we
needed
to
work
on
that
more.
We
we
agreed.
We
actually
had
shared
some
sketches
at
that
time
and
we
have
done
a
lot
of
work
on
building
four.
P
So
what
I
can
say
for
the
strategy
overall
for
building
four,
that
it
has
been
redesigned
to
have
that
continuous
roofline
transition
between
its
primary
facade
and
its
roof
level
that
that
stays
within
the
30
feet?
It's
it's
actually
a
combination
of
28
and
30
feet,
but
but
what
we
were
able
to
do
was
actually
lower
all
the
outer
corners
of
the
building,
so
you'll
see
that
that
we
have
stepped
that
down,
so
that
our
Corners
are
two
and
a
half
stories
as
we
move
to
the
middle,
which
is
three
and
a
half.
P
So
I
want
to
show
you
that,
as
as
we
go,
those
are
the
those
are
the
summary
of
the
strategies
that
were
presented
there
and
really
to
make
sure
we're
mapping
it
to
to
the
Village
Development
plan
and
and
to
be
reminded
too.
We
are
in
two
districts
we're
in
two
districts
in
this
site,
this
block,
so
our
Frontage
on
Hendersonville.
P
The
purple
is
high
density,
commercial.
That
is
how
it's
identified,
which
is
really
the
same
zoning
that
you'll
see
you
know
across
the
street
where
there's
a
a
fast
food
hamburger
restaurant,
the
Grand
Bohemian,
is
also
in
that
same
district,
and
so
so
the
Hendersonville
Road
Frontage
is
all
in
the
high
density,
commercial
district
and
then
the
kitchen
Place
Frontage.
The
light
blue
is
the
historic
downtown
commercial.
So
we
have
that
split
kind
of
running
through
the
site.
P
And
then
the
design
standards
for
each
of
those
which
again
we've
we've
been
faithful
to
is
to
work
with
work
with
each
of
those
design.
Those
sub
area
design
elements
from
the
1992
plan,
which
are
zero
setbacks,
large-scale.
Q
Development
full
blocks,
although,
as
you
know,
we
see
this
as
a
series
of
buildings
and
not
a
full
block
building
I
would
say
the
Grand
Bohemian.
That's
there
today
is
a
good
example
of
the
full
block
building.
It
has
one
approach
that
it
does
all
the
way
around.
That's
not
what
this
is
the
mo.
It
does
call
for
parking
facilities.
Multiple
deck
facilities
to
be
on
I
think
it
was
envisioned,
would
be
above
grade
parking
facilities.
Q
As
you
all
know,
we
are
committing
to
submerging
the
parking
and
having
it
below
entirely
below
grade,
so
it
is
out
of
out
of
sight
which
kind
of
frees
up
the
block
from
being
a
wrapped
parking
deck,
which
is
what
we
would
get
storefront
types
at
the
sidewalk
two
to
three
and
a
half
stories
in
height
and
a
language
drawing
from
the
commercial
style
buildings.
Q
So
those
are
the
guidelines
for
that
purple,
Zone
on
Hendersonville
and
then
on
the
kitchen,
Place
similar
guidelines,
zero
setback,
mid-scale
development,
surface
or
multiple
deck
style,
parking
facilities,
storefront
types
at
the
sidewalk
two
to
two
and
a
half
stories
in
height
and
a
language
drawing
for
the
commercial
building,
so
that
was
sort
of
our
big
reset
with
you
all,
as
we
went
through
that
may
meeting
and
into
June
and
followed
followed
from
there
I'm
going
to
fast
forward
over
these
Pages,
because
you
all
know
this
history
better
than
than
most,
but
but
recognizing
the
significance
of
this
context
and
the
diversity
of
this
context
that
this
is
not.
Q
We've
come
come
to
know
this
site
very,
very
well,
so
we
have
certainly
the
Mercantile
character
along
kitchen
place.
We
have
Boston
way
with
some
of
the
service,
that's
actually
where
our
service
will
be
as
well
kind
of
mirroring
where
the
parking
entry
is
at
the
New,
Morning
Gallery
and
then
also
working
with
the
trees
and
sidewalks
that
are
there.
We've
been
working
with
sight
works
on
the
landscape
to
ensure
that
the
existing
trees
can
remain.
That's
that's
a
direction
that
we've
we've
taken
following
our
input
from
mule.
Q
So
we
see
this
as
a
restoration
project
in
a
sense
we're
putting
back
a
block
in
the
village
that
has
was
lost
to
parking,
lots
and
drive-throughs
in
the
20th
century,
and
so
that
one
two
three
four
one
is
the
friendly
corner
on
Biltmore
Plaza
two
is
sort
of
this
finer
grain
Jewel
box.
We
now
have
an
entry
building
between
them.
We
have
the
Oriental,
spruce
at
the
corner,
building
three
fronting
the
cathedral
and
then
building
four,
which
is
kind
of
the
the
bookend.
Q
The
anchor
to
the
existing
Grand
Bohemian
is
what
we
call
anchoring
Hendersonville
Road,
so
we've
kept
that
those
numbers,
because
that's
how
we've
come
to
know
them.
These
are
the
drawings
we
presented
in
June.
What
I
wanted
to
do
is
show
those
drawings
and
then
show
the
progress
side
by
side,
so
you
could
flip
back
and
forth
between
them.
So
this
was
at
the
plan
level,
reducing
the
whole
building
floor,
plate
by
two
feet
and
then
sinking
the
building
by
two
feet
and
then
sinking
the
spa
further.
R
At
the
third
level,
this
is
where
on
kitchen
place,
we
have
that
Mercantile
Frontage
and
we
were
proposing
setbacks
for
that
half
story
so
that
you'd
have
a
two-story
facade
and
we
were
proposing
six
foot
setbacks
for
building
one
and
building
two
and
in
final
analysis,
we
were
able
to
increase
that
number
by
some
amount.
What
you'll
see
on
the
final
is
that
we
we
have
a
six
and
a
half
foot
setback
on
building
one
and
a
seven
foot.
R
Eight
inch
setback
on
building
two,
so
we've
worked
with
with
the
with
the
team
to
to
accomplish
as
much
of
a
setback
as
as
was
really
possible
there,
and
we.
We
have
done
additive
elements
like
this
on
previous
projects
and
we
usually
use
five
to
six
feet
as
a
guide.
So
we
felt
like
that
this.
This
was
gonna,
certainly
better
that
then
building
four
building,
four
is
the
the
wall,
and
that
was
our
big
homework
assignment
for
for
the
summer,
along
with
designing
all
these
other
new
buildings.
R
So
building
four
is
the
L-shaped
building
and
what
we,
what
we
had
discussed
with
you
in
June,
was
the
generalized
thesis
for
this
building,
which
was
to
establish
a
single
roof
line
of
30
feet
and
then
have
everything
above
so
this
would
be
very
much
like
the
existing
Grand
Bohemian.
We
said:
well,
it's
certainly
it's
there
across
the
street.
So
that's
a
good
starting
point
and
at
this
point,
you're
now
actually
looking
down
on
the
roofs
of
all
the
other
buildings.
R
So
this
is
the
the
part
of
the
project
that
has
a
you
know,
a
roof
level
and
our
thought
there
is
to
do
the
three
and
a
half
stories
in
that
commercial,
high
intensity,
commercial
zoning,
but,
however,
but
stopping
it
short
of
the
Cathedral
of
course,
even
though
the
of
course
the
zoning
allows
it.
But
from
the
very
beginning,
from
our
earliest
conversations
with
the
cathedral,
we
agreed
that
the
building
should
not
come
all
the
way
to
angle
Street
at
that
three
and
a
half
story
height.
So
that's
that's
our
plan.
R
What
you're
going
to
see
in
the
final
floor
plan
is
this
strategy
that
we
came
to,
which
was
to
actually
step
the
corners
of
this
building
down,
so
the
corner
of
Boston
way
and
Hendersonville
is
stepped
down,
so
you
have
a
Terrace
there
and
a
pulled
that
facade
back
similar
to
what
we're
doing
on
kitchen
place
in
this
case,
because
we're
actually
in
a
roof
line,
we're
pulling
it
we're
able
to
pull
it
back
further,
and
so
so
it's
it's
substantial
I
think
it's
16
feet
on
Hendersonville
from
the
roof
face
back
to
that
element,
and
so
we
were
stepping
down
the
corner
of
Boston
and
Hendersonville,
we're
stepping
down
the
other
leading
corner
of
building
four
on
Hendersonville
and
then
stepping
down
the
transition
from
building
four
to
building.
R
One
I'll
show
you
in
the
elevations
how
that
plays
out,
but
that
that
was
from
a
planned
point
of
view.
That's
what
you're,
seeing
here
the
site
has
been
further
further
studied
with
the
team
at
site,
Works,
Suzanne,
Godsey
and
Stephen
Lee,
and
we
have,
with
with
this
input,
we've
moved
to
the
preservation
of
the
existing
sweet
gum,
trees
that
are
there
that
are
mature
and
the
reality
that
was
interesting.
Is
we
were
working
on
prospective
views?
We
had
to
pretend
they
weren't
there,
so
you
could
see
the
buildings
these
trees
are
like
60.
R
E
B
So
final,
elevations
annotations
again
I
wanted
to
do
a
side
by
side,
but
I'm
sort
of
putting
that
in
context
with
the
cathedral.
Now
that
all
this
has
been
redrawn
here,
you're
looking
at
that
kitchen,
Place
elevation,
so
building
one
in
its
new
form,
build
the
new
entry
building
two
and
then
building
three.
Of
course,
the
Oriental
spruce
is
right
right
here,
which
is
not
shown
in
this
drawing
and
then
the
relationship
to
the
cathedral.
B
B
So
megichi
seems
to
be
the
one
but
I've
heard
both
they
both
sound
plausible
to
me,
but
seeing
seeing
it
there
in
relationship
and
also
the
old
Biltmore
Village
office
building
the
so
those
are
you
know,
just
sort
of
putting
the
new
design
and
context
with
those
those
existing
structures
and
then
back
to
Hendersonville
Road.
Looking
at
the
the
new
form
of
building
four,
where
it's
been
broken
into
pieces
itself.
B
B
So
you
see
that
relative
to
the
cathedral
and
then
a
commonality
here
is
that
the
the
top
of
the
lowest
Gables
of
the
cathedral
Define
the
ceiling
of
this
Village,
which
was
the
same
principle
used
when
the
Bohemian
was
done.
So
if
you
drew
you
draw
a
line
across
the
cathedral
from
the
top
of
the
low
Gables
that
becomes
the
maximum
height
of
anything.
B
But
but
really
the
evolution
has
been
looking
at
how
to
step
up
to
that
height
and
then
step
back
down
now,
looking
back
to
the
cathedral
from
Kitchen
place,
this
shows
one
kitchen
place
across
from
the
new
building,
one
so
they're
very
much
sort
of
neighbors
now
and
being
two-story
expressions
with
the
church
in
the
in
the
background,
so
so
putting
the
facades
back
to
back.
B
These
are
the
facade
drawings
we
looked
at
in
June
when
we
met
with
you
to
kind
of
review
the
strategy,
and
these
were
conceptual
sketches
and
we've
done
the
the
design
work
now
to
bring
them
forward,
but
I
wanted
to
put
them
side
by
side,
so
you
could
see
sort
of
where
we
were
going
and
where
we,
where
we've
gone.
So
that's
the
facade,
you
know
composited
for
kitchen
place.
B
This
is
what
we
set
out
to
do
and
this
this
is
what
we're
able
to
do
and
in
in
doing
that,
just
kind
of
point
out
a
few
things,
because
we
have
talked
about
the
30-foot
rule
of
the
facade.
We,
as
as
we
suggested
in
June,
are
proposing
that
that
should
be.
B
Height
of
a
parapet,
it's
30
feet.
We
have
taken
the
approach
of
adding
architectural
embellishments
above
the
parapet.
You
know,
for
example,
at
the
corner
or
above
the
bay
window.
Those
I
would
call
features,
parapet
features
but
the
parapet
height.
We
have
maintained
at
the
30-foot
line.
It's
30
feet
above
the.
S
Approach
to
doing
that,
and
when
we
look
at
the
blow
ups
I'll
show
that,
but
that's
really
what
we
had
had
proposed
to
do
both
for
building
one
and
for
building
two
building.
The
entry
building
we've
looked
at
doing
with
a
two
and
a
half
story
expression
and
brought
that
roof
down
a
bit
further
to
28
feet.
S
So
that's
the
resultant
view
of
building
one.
The
new
entry
building
building
two
and
the
material
and
tonality
of
these
buildings
has
all
gone
to
a
a
warmer
darker
red,
brick,
polychrome
brick,
and
we
can
talk
about
colors
and
materials
back
I
brought
all
the
materials
with
me.
So
we
can
talk
about
that
as
well
later,
on
and
building
one
as
well
would
be
a
darker
brick,
a
mid-tone
brick.
This
shows
the
spruce
turning
the
corner
on
angle
Street.
S
This
was
what
we
had
looked
at
in
June,
the
two
and
a
half
stories
on
angle,
Street,
the
tree
building
two
coming
down
17
feet
and
then
the
the
facade
today.
So
so
what
we've
said
we
were
going
to
do
and
and
what
we've
been
working
on.
So
that's
our
composited
elevation
to
give
a
sense
of
how
all
these
pieces
work
together.
S
Building
four
now
on
Hendersonville
Road
building
four
is
the
sort
of
the
the
building
that
really
occupies
that
Frontage.
That's
what
we
showed
you
in
June
and
I
think
we
all
looked
at
that
and
said:
that's
it's
a
lot
of
roof.
We
had
a
continuous
roof
line
at
30
feet
and
we
had
actually
looked
at
a
sketch
of
maybe
coming
back
to
the
Gable
Dormer
idea
to
create
a
variation.
S
So
we
folded
all
of
that
into
our
thinking
in
proposing
this,
the
this
design
for
the
facade
that
takes
in
the
conversation,
the
discussion
we
had
about
the
corners
and
relating
to
New
New
Morning
Gallery
relating
to
the
the
annex
of
the
Grand
Bohemian,
that's
also
in
Hendersonville.
So
this
shows
a
step
down
Corners,
both
at
the
corner
of
Boston
in
Hendersonville
and
then
also
at
the
transition
of
building
four
to
building
three.
S
So
we
have
roof
lines
now
that
are
in
the
two
and
a
half
story
scale,
and
then
our
three
and
a
half
story
element
roofline
then
can
step
up
beyond
that
on
Hendersonville.
We
propose
this
with
the
three
Gable
Dormers
and
we
have
set
those
back
into
the
roof,
as
we've
done
that,
so
it's
not
a
continuous
plane
with
the
wall
below
so
we've
we've
held
sort
of
the
the
rule
of
30
feet
here,
which
we
had
said
if
we
had
a
continuous
roof.
T
Line
of
30
feet
as
we
studied
this
elevation,
we
are
at
30
feet
for
the
step
down,
Pavilions
and
then
28
feet
for
the
center
section,
because
it
has
a
slightly
different
roof
character.
So
there
is
a
continuous
roof
line
from
end
to
end,
and
then
it
gives
us
the
ability
to
start
to
develop
a
language
for
the
roof
forms
and
the
dorm
rooms.
T
T
The
same
reference
of
the
step
Downs
here-
and
this
is
how
this
would
work
on
Boston
way.
So
you
have
the
step
down
corner
at
Hendersonville
in
Boston,
then
up
to
the
three
and
a
half
stories
down
to
the
two
and
a
half
and
then
down
to
the
two.
With
the
setback
on
kitchen
place,
and
here
we
we,
we
used
shed
Dormers
in
lieu
of
the
Gable
Dormer
just
again
to
create
variety,
and
it
feels
more
appropriate
on
Boston
as.
T
Idea
really
is
to
try
to
create
a
degree
of
diversity
for
this
building
because
it
does
have
more
Frontage
we've
put
in
the
section
side
by
side.
Just
so,
you
have
all
that
data.
The
blue
lines
are
the
sections
from
June.
The
the
cad
sections
here
are.
The
current
sections
can
show
the
relationship
of
those
elements
again,
as
I
said,
we're
for
building
one.
For
example,
we're
counting
you
know
we're
using
30
feet
as
the
normative
parapet
height
recognizing
their
small
percentages
of
that.
T
That
will
go
above
that
the
setback
is
six
and
a
half
feet
for
building
one
building.
Two,
the
setback
same
idea,
30
feet
for
the
normative
height
setback,
seven
foot,
eight,
the
entry
building
is
a
28
foot
cornice
and
then
the
roof
line
with
the
Dormers
building.
Three,
that's
the
one
that
came
came
down
a
story,
so
it
has
a
12
foot,
facade
expression
on
angle,
Street
and
then
the
the
roof
line
with
the
the
taller,
Dormers
and
then
building
four
actually
has
multiple
sections.
T
U
C
G
U
This
is
why
it
took
us
a
while
to
get
back
here.
We
were
trying
to
come
back
in
August
and
we
got
into
this
and
we
realized.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
I
want
to
thank
the
Kessler
team
for
allowing
us
to
do
that.
Work
because
we
this
was.
This
is
slow,
cooking
and.
B
U
About
the
design,
so
this
is
the
friendly
corner
of
building
one
right
at
the
corner,
and
then
this
is
its
facade
along
a
long
kitchen
place
and
I
will
say
this
too.
One
thing
that
we've
done
is:
we
have
looked
carefully.
A
At
the
I
would
say,
elevated
detailing
of
the
historic
structures
of
Biltmore
Village.
If
you
look
at
the
Oteen
Bank
building
or
you
even
look
at
one
kitchen
place
these
building
or
the
mcgeachi
building,
they
have
really
carefully
thought
out
more
granular
details
and
we,
we
believe,
that's
appropriate.
We
believe
it's
very
easy
in
modern
construction
to
leave
the
details
out.
I
mean
that's,
that's
sort
of
the
easy
way,
but
we
think
we
have-
and
you
know
we
we
know.
A
Detailing
language
even
closer
to
the
Village
than
it
was
before,
that
was
a
big
part
of
what
we've
been
doing
so,
for
example,
some
of
the
the
the
brick
work
that
you'll
see
below
the
bay
window
is
directly
referential
to
one
kitchen
place
or
some
of
the
embellishments
above
the
the
archway
here
directly
referential
to
the
Oteen
Bank
building.
We
feel
like
this
caliber
of
detail
dollars
warranted
in
in
this.
A
In
this
context,
there
is
a
an
Elegance
to
to
the
historic
structures
that
are
there,
so
we
we
have
certainly
detailed
it
with
that
intent
very
much
in
mind,
and
we
think
that's
right.
We
think
when
it's
all
said
and
done,
that
makes
it
more
rewarding
and
More
Beautiful,
so
they
are
thought
thoughtfully,
detailed.
We
we
propose
to
you
now
on
our
setback
element
above
there.
A
B
As
we've
gone
through,
this
is
building
two
which
the
old
gambrel
building,
which
became
a
Mercantile
building,
also
studying
its
proportions
carefully
and
developing
a
language
for
it
that
we
we
felt
was
appropriate.
I
know,
Seth,
had
a
comment
that
our
our
light
fixtures-
maybe
a
little
bit
too
contemporary
for
that
structure,
and
we
can
talk
about
that.
We
certainly
could
change
those
to
to
a
more
traditional
fixture,
but
we're
sort
of
walking
a
line
of
adding
new
buildings
that
are
in
a
sense
building.
B
B
V
So
again,
we've
sort
of
added
a
mix
of
stone
and
brick
detailing
to
draw
some
attention
to
some
of
those
key
elements:
the
haunches
at
the
Jack
arches.
You
know
some
of
the
surrounds
around
windows.
This
would
have
the
Terracotta
little.
We
see
terracotta
tile
on
the
roof
very
much
in
spirit
with
with
the
context
of
the
cathedral
and
some
of
the
other
commercial
buildings
that
have
that
partial
mansard
roof.
V
This
is
a
new
proportioning
for
building
three,
where
the
we
have
a
brick
Foundation.
This
is
very
referential
to
the
Parish
Hall
Of
All
Souls
cathedral,
which
has
a
brick
a
brick
base.
Then
the
gravel
Dash
upper
level
and
then
the
the
tall
accentuated
Dormers
and
in
this
case
I
I,
would
I
would
suggest
these
three
dormants
really
are
Dormers.
V
In
fact,
you
know
that
the
dominant
roof
line
is
the
you
know
the
main
mass
of
the
main
roof
and
these
These
are
Dormers,
so
we've
we've
measured
it
that
way,
but
that's
for
y'all
to
to
discuss
that's
again
how
we
had
proposed
it
in
in
June,
finer
grain
dimensions
and
details.
V
These
are
more
detailed
again.
I
do
want
to
come
back
to
that.
We've
worked
really
hard
to
look
at
the
protocols
for
chamfering
and
beveling
and
woodwork
that
is
prevalent
in
the
village
and
particularly
nearest
to
Cathedral.
So
these
don't
look
sort
of
half-hearted
that
they
they
hold
up
under
scrutiny.
V
Little
details
like
Corner,
strengthening,
Corners
cutting
rafter
tails,
so
that's
building
three
and
then
building
four.
This
shows
a
composite
with
the
step
down
corners
and
the
central
section
with
the
three
Gables
and
then
taking
a
closer
look
at
the
corner.
V
What
we're
what
we
are
doing
with
the
corner?
We
we
have
an
18-foot
Florida
floor
and
we're
seeing
an
opportunity.
We
actually
we
had
a
chance
to
talk
briefly
earlier
with
Jesse
and
Amanda
at
the
preservation
society,
and
we
were
talking
about
this
building
and
ways
to
mitigate.
We
have
cantilevered
these.
E
So
it's
not
it's
not
actually
18
feet,
but
it's
it's
actually
currently
in
the
drawings,
it's
16
feet
of
clearance
there,
so
we're
sort
of
working
with
every
facade
to
create
pleasing
proportions
so
that
the
eye
focuses
on
a
good
balance
of
the
ground
level,
the
second
level
and
the
roof
level
and
then
coming
around
onto
Boston
Way,
which
is
used
the
same
idea
of
the
two
step.
Downs
the
center
section.
E
So
we've
taken
those
those
context,
elevations
that
we
reviewed
earlier.
We
have
constructed
a
series
of
prospective
views
from
some
of
the
key
points
that
we
had
talked
about
in
June
with
the
group,
so
I
want
to
go
through
those
with
you
now.
This
is
that
view
on
really
at
the
top.
G
B
The
cathedral
and
the
relationship
of
the
Mercantile
buildings
and
really
what
you
see
as
you
look
down
the
block
with
the
three
expressions
building
one,
the
entry
building
building
two
and
then
this
is
the
the
Oriental
spruce
as
I
mentioned
in
reality.
There's
actually
the
tree
canopy
dominates
most
of
this,
but
if
the
trees,
you
know
edit
the
trees,
this
is
the
roof
line,
and
you
can
see
here
too
that
step
back
element
is
meant
to
be
quieter
and
I.
B
I
we've
been
studying
this
from
a
modeling
and
a
coloration
point
of
view,
as
well
I'm
going
to
share
some
of
that
with
you.
That's
that's
brand
new
information
tonight
so
now
coming
all
the
way
back
out
of
the
core
of
the
village
onto
Hendersonville
Road.
This
is
that
view
from
Boston
Way.
Looking
toward
the
cathedral,
there
was
a
question
about
how
does
this
building
step
down
toward
the
cathedral?
How
does
the
cathedral
reveal
itself?
B
So,
as
you
come
up,
Hendersonville
Road,
it's
really
when
you
cross
Boston
Way
is
when
the
cathedral
starts
to
be.
You
know
come
into
full
Focus.
Currently,
of
course,
it's
a
parking
lot,
so
you
can
see
the
whole
Cathedral.
This
is
really
impossible
to.
You
know,
add
buildings
without
you
know
without
you
know
so
so,
but
but
but
it
is
important
to
say
so.
How
and
when
does
the
cathedral
reveal
itself,
and
is
that
a
beautiful
view
does
that
happen
successfully
and
I?
B
We
felt
with
this
view
that
the
step
down
from
the
three
and
a
half
story
to
the
two
and
a
half
to
the
to
the
lower
two
and
a
half,
two
really
two-story,
of
building
three
sort
of
open
stat
views
successfully
to
the
to
the
upper
architecture
of
the
cathedral.
So
that's
that's
that
view
and
that's
happening
right
as
you
hit
Boston
heading
south
on
Hendersonville.
I
There,
okay,
so
this
is
back
in
the
village
core,
looking
up
kitchen
Place
toward
the
cathedral,
and
you
can
see
the
rhythm
of
the
the
three
facades,
the
sort
of
create
texture
on
that
sidewalk.
I
And
then
back
out
on
Hendersonville
Road
coming
toward
this
block
coming
toward
angle,
Street
heading
north.
This
would
be
the
facade
of
building
three
with
its.
You
know
the
three
Dormers
and
then
we're
seeing
the
step
down
and
then
the
the
three
Gable
Dormers
and
then
the
step
down
and
then
on
to
the
other
buildings
and
then
moving
further
into
that
same
view,
closer
now
to
the
crossing
of
Boston
and
Hendersonville.
This
is
a
a
view
showing
how
building
four
now
being
broken,
really
into
five
pieces.
I
I
Our
color
and
material
palette
is
born
out
of
the
Precedence
that
are
here
and
there's
really.
A
variation,
of
course,
is
a
darker,
a
general
Trend
toward
darker
colors.
But
then
you
have
buildings
that
have
features
like
the
the
Oteen
Bank
building
or
the
mcgeachi
building
that
sort
of
add
character
to
that
Limestone,
often
or
terracotta.
So
we've
played
off
of
that
same
those
notes
in
some
of
the
the
architectural
detailing
from
the
character
of
elements
like
awnings
and
balconies
and
shutters.
I
So
we
provided
those
details,
the
the
doors
that
would
conceal
the
entry
to
the
below
grade
parking,
some
of
the
board
and
Baton
detailing
Door
and
Window
specifications
provided
storefront
specifications,
wood
doors
and
metal
windows,
and
then
we
have
a
palette
for
each
building
and
I.
Have
physical
samples.
C
I
I
The
one
I
mentioned
that
the
staff
pointed
out
may
be
a
little
too
contemporary.
There's
this
one,
which
we
we
have
used
before
on
a
project
and
thinks
it's
a
very
fine
fixture,
but
certainly
we
could.
We
could
edit
that
this
is
building
three
closest
to
the
cathedral
and
building
four,
and
in
fact
there
was
a
comment
for
for
the
entry
building
in
the
staff
report
and
what
we
showed
in
the
elevation
was
a
bit
of
a
larger,
more
of
a
warehouse
fixture.
I
W
A
a
a
set
of
CAD
elevations
I,
want
to
thank
our
team
at
at
Raven
for
they've,
really
worked
very
carefully
to
take
these
sort
of
the
slow
cooking
drawings
the
hand
and
drawn
design
drawings
and
brought
them
carefully
into
a
working
model
for
the
project.
They've
been
working
around
the
clock
to
bring
this
to
you
and
and
and
so
I
want
to
point
out
a
few
things,
but
then
also
kind
of
wrap
up
with
a
an
animated
view.
W
W
So,
for
example,
this
is
building
three
which
has
its
you
know:
it's
it's
roof
line.
It's
primary
facade
is
actually
only
12
feet
tall,
and
then
we
have
it's.
You
know
the
Steep
roof.
The
top
of
that
roof
is
32
feet
two
inches.
So
we
have
that
data
for
you.
If
there's
any
specific
questions,
we've
gone
ahead
and
added
that
to
it,
we've
also
want
to
address
the
facade
on
kitchen.
X
Place
this
is
one
of
those
things
where
elevations
aren't
always
the
best
tool,
because
you
know
you
can
always
see
things
horizontally
into
Infinity.
There's
no
human
person
that
will
ever
see
this
facade
in
the
background,
but
we
put
it
in
and
we
in
the
3D
model
I
think
we'll
also,
you
know
kind
of
help
us
all
see
that.
But
this
is
in
the
background
above
above
the
roof
lines
of
kitchen
place.
X
X
Oh
okay,
thanks
yeah
and
again
you
know
the
the
cad
drawings
are
I
want
to
be
clear
about
this.
The
the
design
drawings
are
sort
of
the
lead
pieces
on
the
design.
It's
you
know
in
building
a
model
and
they've
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
to
bring
these
finer
grain
details
into
the
model,
but
the
the
drawings,
the
the
detailed
drawings
for
the
approval
are
are
following
from
the
set
that
we
just
reviewed.
X
So
there
may
still
be
some
things
to
tune
up
here,
but
but
by
and
large,
it's
a
very
sophisticated
model
and
I'm
excited
to
see
it,
and
particularly
in
that
Jonathan
was
able
to
build
a
animated
sequence
to
to
walk
around
the
whole
building
with
you.
This.
F
Of
us
to
see,
but
are
there
any
any
other
specific
questions
I
think
I've
been
through.
S
I,
have
one
question
actually
I'm?
Sorry,
two
questions.
The
first
is:
will
there
be
any
fill
required
for
this
site?
Is
there
a
flood
plain
issue
right?
We
we
will
actually
be
Excavating,
not
filling
you're,
not
there's,
no
okay,
yeah
yeah.
My
second
question
is
I
and
you've
answered
this
before
and
I
cannot
remember
the
answer.
What
is
the
height
to
the
Gable
peak
of
those
those
lower
Gables
at
the
Cathedral?
So
that's
a
great
question.
S
S
So
it's
okay,
it's,
but
it's
49
to
the
height
at
the
okay
at
the
at
the
cathedral,
which
is
yeah
exactly
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you
that
that
clears
up
I
had
a
question
in
looking
at
the
the
Hendersonville
Road
elevation,
it
seemed
like
the
new
building
was
substantially
smaller,
but
that
helps
explain
that
that
change
in
grade.
Thank
you,
okay!
Well,
this
is
exciting.
S
Main
liaison
for
the
project,
but
yes,
we
are
very
excited
to
show.
Let's
see,
I
just
need
to
hit
space
bar
here
and
we
may
or
may
not
get
music.
But
that's.
C
I
Then,
with
as
now
as
we
pan
to
the
right,
we
can
see
building
one
with
its,
which
would
be
the
restaurant
open
to
the
street
with
the
the
corner
that
opens
up
to
the
street,
to
sort
of
be
a
sister
to
the
chamfer
corner
at
the
mcgeachi
building.
F
This
is
truly
a
you
know,
a
two-story
building
expression
with
the
with
that
the
setback
level.
I
C
I
And
Hendersonville
history
yeah,
looking
across
the
facade
building,
four,
which
is
really
this,
has
been
one
of
our
biggest
efforts
in
terms
of
design.
Since
we
were
last
with
you.
I
S
S
B
We
would
mix
those
two,
so
we'd
have
on
the
right
or
the
roads
would
go
with
the
strap,
and
so
this
would
be
an
example
Assad.
So
building
one
was
really
where
we
got
to
turn
onto
doing
that
in
Darker,
pulling.
G
B
A
A
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
stay
for
the
record.
That
I
was
am
a
former
commissioner
here
in
this
body.
Oh,
my
service
ended
about
two
years
ago
now,
I
believe
it's
it's
flown
by
to
my
recollection.
In
my
three
years
of
sitting
in
this
at
this
body,
I
never
saw
such
a
complete
presentation
with
such
forethought
and
Analysis
and
responsiveness
to
questions
from
the
board
or
the
public.
C
A
Believe
this
is
the
third
meeting
these
folks
have
come
before
you
all
this
time
around
and
my
involvement
with
the
customer
group
on
this
project
goes
back
about
a
year
and
a
half
or
more.
It
started
with
informal
conversations
with
a
neighbor.
It
progressed
to
letters
arriving
in
the
mail
inviting
us
to
participate
in
the
design
process.
Look
at
sketches
and
other
items
that
have
been
put
together
collaboratively
with
a
number
of
local
Architects
and
other
preservation-minded
folks
in
the
community.
From
my
understanding.
A
There
were
a
series
of
meetings,
I
attended
and
in
every
instance,
the
project
has,
in
my
view,
gotten
to
be
better
and
better
and
is
in
conformance
with
the
standards
applicable
to
the
historic
district.
Furthermore,
these
folks
have
invited
myself
and
others
I
wear
many
hats
in
Biltmore,
Village.
T
Criticism
critique
Applause,
what
have
you
and
there's
what
we
see
and
that
I
encourage
all
of
you
to
take
every
bit
of
thought
and
effort
and
diligence
that
the
developers
put
into
this
and
move
forward
with
approving
and
certifying.
This
is
an
appropriate
project.
Otherwise,
I
also
wanted
to
commend
the
professor
for
wearing
a
coat
tie
and
sweater
tonight.
T
It's
chilly
up
here
coming
from
Savannah
I'm
sure
it
is,
but
it's
been
a
great
working
relationship
with
these
folks,
all
along
from
my
perspective,.
M
T
I
T
I
Of
that,
a
lot
of
work
has
been
done
to
create
beautiful
drawings,
and
a
lot
of
time
has
obviously
been
spent
considering
Biltmore
Village.
Would
you
still
have
some
concerns
about
the
project?
The
massing
of
the
proposed
building
doesn't
feel
like
it's
quite
there
in
terms
of
fitting
into
the
historic
district.
Yet
the
first
floor
height
on
the
proposed
building,
is.
S
F
S
Also,
the
setback
floors,
especially
on
buildings,
one
and
two
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more,
but
that
doesn't
seem
to
fit
the
scale
for
the
neighborhood,
while
the
hand-drawn,
elevations
and
sections
and
renderings
are
beautiful.
We
don't
always
feel
like
they
give
a
true
sense
of
how
the
building
will
look
and
that's
especially
true
for
those
top
floors
I
was
talking
about.
We
did
get
a
little
bit
more
in
the
elevations
today,
but.
B
About
that
so
we'd
like
to
see
some
more
scale,
drawings
that
show
the
height
and
appearance.
C
B
S
L
W
30
feet
at
all
and
building
four.
C
W
S
S
U
I
The
the
exact
way
that
it
should
to
look
at.
H
C
U
E
I
V
I
What
you
see
as
you're,
moving
down
Hendersonville
Road,
that
they
represent
the
character
of
the
landscape
as
it
is
today
from
that
standpoint,
I,
don't
have
any
any
comments
specifically
on
the
administration
or
the
details.
I
think
those
are
working
well
and
I.
I
would
argue
that
we
need
to
be
careful
about
false
historic
and
the
selection
of
details
being
considered
there,
but
the
level
of
detail
and
fenestration
I
do
believe
is
beautiful
and
is
moving
in
the
right
direction.
My
largest
concern
is
one
on
spatial
character
in
the
mass
and
scale
of
this
building.
G
I
W
Defined
the
protection
of
the
root
systems-
and
we
know
there
are
root
systems
all
over
the
place
in
the
village
and
consideration
as
the
project
continues
forward,
should
consider
air
spading
root
pruning
all
of
your
compost
teas
during
constructions.
All
of
those
details
should
be
worked
out
and
I'd
encourage
the
design
team.
C
W
W
Hi
my
name's
Bissell
Bend
right.
Z
C
B
B
Had
we
come
into
the
HRC
era,
they
might
not
have
been
allowed
to
be
built
because
they
just
are
so
different
from
the
original
cottages
and
the
Biltmore
company
sales
office
and
as
I
remember
it
and
looking
from
the
train
station
to
the
the
cathedral
that
we
see
right
there,
the
whole
idea
was
the
vanishing
perspective
to
make
the
cathedral
look
bigger.
It's
not
a
big
church.
C
I
W
The
estate
and
it
always
felt
like
it,
was
on
a
human
scale.
B
B
A
I
Asking
that
you
know
consider
what
the
original
plan
was
like
and
that
all
of
those
architectural
things
that
are
in
the
village
now
and
are
protected
weren't
there
in
1895,
and
it
leads
to
a
little
bit
of
a
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
a
mishmash
of
architectural
Styles
down
there.
And
so
that's
all
I
have
thank
you.
B
For
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
preliminary
subdivision
approval
before
the
historic
Resources
Commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
I
do
I'll,
make
this
quick,
represent
or
part
of
the
ownership
of
Leasing
and
management
of
the
Biltmore
station.
Additionally,
other
buildings
that
we
are
part
of
in
Asheville
include
the
Grove
Arcade,
the
crest
Emporium
building
the.
B
Building
other
historic
buildings
in
the
market
I'm
a
developer
but
I'm
not
a
grounded,
developer
I'm,
an
Adaptive
used
developer
and.
I
A
A
community
that
you
don't
see
this
kind
of
development,
we
don't
see
it
here,
we
don't
see
this
quality
or
any
of
it
and
I
think
if
George
Vanderbilt
was
sitting
here
today,
he
would
approve
this
so
I'm
a
fan
and
I
hope
you
guys
will
consider
moving
along
with
it.
Thank
you.
A
My
name
is
Michael
McLaughlin
and
I'm.
A
member
of
the
congregation
of
the
Cathedral
of
All
Souls
and
I
speak
as
an
individual
member.
As
you
can
imagine
in
any
congregation,
there
are
lots
of
different
viewpoints
in
my
professional
life
before
I
retired
I
I
worked
with
the
National
Endowment
for
the
Arts
for
32
years
and
I
was
the
program
manager
for
the
save
America's
Treasures
grant
program
that
you
probably
know
is
the
federal
support
for.
G
A
Conservation
of
Collections
and
preservation
of
sites
and
structures,
I
started
working
with
the
Kessler
group
about
a
year
ago,
when
they
invited
representatives
from
All
Souls
to
to
be
part
of
this
process
and
I
don't
have
to
tell
you
what
a
transformation
there's
been
over
a
year.
A
They've
been
incredibly
responsive
to
any
of
the
concerns
that
we
brought
forth
from
the
cathedral
and
specifically
I.
Think
the
the
frontage
on
kitchen
plays
has
changed
in
in
all
good
ways.
I
think
for
a
new
building,
they've
done
exactly
what
we
as
preservationists
like
people
to
do,
which
is
not
to
try
to
make
you
know
fake
history,
but
they
they
reference
real
history
in
ways
that
are
both
literal
and
imaginative.
A
The
windows,
the
the
what
I
guess
is
building
number
two,
the
commercial
building
I
think
has
probably
had
one
of
the
biggest
changes
and
really
references,
I,
think
very
well.
The
other
commercial
buildings
across
the
street
on
kitchen
place.
A
The
building
that
faces
All
Souls,
of
course,
concerns
us
the
most
and
I'm
quite
comfortable
with
where
that's
landed,
as
Christian
said,
the
the
dormer's
reference.
Clearly
the
Dormers
in
our
Parish
Hall,
but
don't
copy
them
and
then
on
Hendersonville
Road
I
understand
you
know
it
is
a
big
building.
It's
a
big
building
on
Hendersonville
Road.
S
I'd
argue
that
the
most
Pleasant
block
on
Hendersonville
Road
right
now
is
the
block
between
the
two
Bohemian
hotels,
which
are
big
buildings,
because
they're,
landscaped
and
they're
well
maintained
you
cross
Boston,
Way
and
you're
between
a
parking
lot
and
a
Hardee's.
You
know
that
that
it
feels
like
you're
on
the
interstate.
W
It
so
I
appreciate
dying.
W
C
T
W
S
So
our
group
owns
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
land
in
Biltmore
Village,
mainly
the
the
block
of
kitchen
place,
which
will
be
fronting
this,
but
also
land
on
Brook,
Street,
Swan,
Fairview
and
All
Souls
Crescent.
So
we
will
be
very
affected
by
this.
S
C
Bad,
it
can
go
fast.
Our.
Z
W
Rightfully
the
best
thing
that
the
building
existing
building
could
do
is
vaporize
and
disappear
if
they
wanted
to
contribute
and
as
as
a
result
of
this
project,
that
will
essentially
happen
when
I
first
started.
Hearing
about
this
and
seeing
the
initial
renderings
I
was
a
little
I
was
a
little
put
back.
It
seemed
like
maybe
a
little
bit
too
much,
but
through
lots
of
interaction
and
involvement.
I've
seen
the
changes
that.
I
Have
been
made
and
and
I'm
sold
this
group.
A
AA
AA
A
G
X
Hi
I'm
Reverend,
Sarah
Herbert.
C
X
Image
that
I
came
up
with
was
a
baby.
W
V
X
F
F
F
H
S
The
just
and
proper
way
forward
and
what
I've
seen
over
this
past
summer
has
been
the
wisdom
of
Solomon
growing
in
a
group
it
has
gotten
better
and
better
and
better,
and
of
course,
you
all
have
a
way
better
job
than
Solomon
did
because
everybody
loves
the
baby
right.
Everybody
here
loves
this
baby
and
wants
the
best
for
the
baby,
and
so
I've
just
been
incredibly
impressed
by
the
collaboration.
S
It's
definitely
going
to
beautify
parties
on
Hendersonville
Road,
but
I'm
I'm,
very,
very
happy
to
see
what
has
happened
here
because
of
the
collaboration
of
this
group
and
the
passion
of
the
group
and
I'm
excited
to
see
what
the
kids
going
to
turn
out
to
be.
Thank
you.
S
I
certainly
would
yeah
thinking
about
my
own
design,
work
and
those
times
where
you
get
really
pushed
by
other
people's
critique,
and
at
the
end
of
that
you
go
it's
a
good
thing.
We
didn't
stop
where
we
were
three
or
four
months
ago
or
with
the
first
thing
that
we
drew,
because
it
really
does
get
better,
and
it's
usually
because
of
that
feedback
that
you
get
from
other
people.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
about
what
you
presented
today.
S
That
is
more
successful
than
where
we
started
and
I
think
some
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
massing
and
the
scale
of
the
buildings.
I
think
we're
not
going
to
escape
the
high
density
nature
of
what's
allowed
to
happen
on
Hendersonville
Road,
but
the
modulating
those
those
Heights
and
stepping
back
those
roofs
and
stepping
down
at
the
corners
and
breaking
up
the
really
flat
sort
of
straight
line.
S
Facade
of
that
building
on
Hendersonville
Road
is
working
in
a
way
that
it
wasn't
working
months
ago,
and
it
feels
more
like
smaller
buildings
hooked
together
than
a
one
big
massive
building,
which
I
even
think
is
more
successful
than
the
Grand
Bohemian
buildings.
That
really
do
feel
like
one
big
thing:
sort
of
set
down
on
the
Block
in
a
very
different
way
than
this
is
feeling,
and
so
I
appreciate
appreciate
that
that
is
moving
ourselves
in
the
right
direction.
S
I
also
think
that
this
in
general,
the
scale
works
pretty
well
and
I
think
we've
gotten
a
lot
more
Integrity
about
about
how
we're
defining
height
and
where
we're
measuring
height
in
general.
We
were
pretty
inconsistent
with
that
earlier
on
in
the
process.
So
for
me
this
has
moved
pretty
far
in
a
really
good
direction.
S
If
we
can
come
to
terms
with
the
fact
that
it's
allowed
to
be
a
high
density
thing
as
it
fronts
on
Hendersonville
Road,
in
a
way
that
feels
like
a
lot
for
that
space,
that's
been
empty
for
a
long
time
and
we've
all
grown
very
accustomed
to
the
fact
that
it's
been
this
empty
sort
of
Peak
at
the
Cathedral.
For
probably
as
long
as
many
of
us
have
lived
here,
and
so
that's
just
sort
of
different,
but
it
feels
sort
of
like
it's
allowed
to
be
that
and
I
don't
know.
S
How
do
you
tell
them
to
do
something?
That's
lower
density
when
they're
allowed
to
be
three
and
a
half
stories
and
it's
allowed
to
be
high
density.
So
for
me,
that's
the
where
I'm
stuck
I
think
I'm
a
little
bit
nervous
about
the
idea
of
saying
we're
done,
and
it's
like
vote
time
because
it
feels
like,
while
we've
come
a
long
ways
in
getting
into
the
computer
and
getting
some
real
dimensions
and
some
real
details
that
there's
this
is
a
massive
set
of
documents.
S
That's
going
to
build
this
building
that
aren't
drawn
yet,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
details
and
a
lot
of
things
to
specify
and
a
lot
of
things
to
clarify
with
dimensions
and
things
like
that.
That
I
think
when
we
vote
for
a
CA
that
were
accountable
to
that,
and
it's
not
yet
there
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
get
from
where
I
think
we're
headed
in
a
really
strong
direction
to
that
place.
S
I
do
want
to
address
the
issue
of
a
false
sense
of
historicity,
and
you
know
what
are
appropriate
levels
of
design
detail
and
ornament
and
I.
Think
it's
worth
noting
that
the
the
issue.
AA
S
A
lot
of
the
new
construction
that
has
occurred
this
building
is
simply
continuing
the
trend
promoted
in
the
design
guidelines
of
using
historic
styles.
S
There
are
different
approaches
to
design
review
in
local
districts,
and
we
see
this
across
Asheville's
districts
in
Biltmore
Village.
The
approach
is
very
much
supportive
of
a
creating
this
I
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
anybody's
been
to
Helen
Georgia,
but
creating
something
that
is
kind
of
falsely
historical.
S
The
design
guidelines
specifically
say
in
you
for
ornament
and
trim
for
historic
Styles,
which
I
believe
this
proposal
you
know
is
consistent
with
ornament
and
trim
should
be
applied
in
a
manner
similar
to
that
used.
Originally,
when
constructing
wood
trim
and
Frames
match
the
historic
dimensions,
I
mean
it.
It
seems
to
me
that
what
is
proposed
is
consisted
with
the
design
guidelines
and
the
intent,
and
you
know
for
new
construction
and
Biltmore
Village.
S
What
how
I
feel
about
that
personally
is
an
architectural
historian
is
beside
the
point.
It
seems
that
this
is
the
consistent
trend
for
new
construction
in
the
village.
S
I
wanted
to
speak
for
just
a
second
I
agree
with
the
preservation's
point
of
view
of
that
first
floor,
being
out
of
the
Rhythm,
even
the
Oteen
Bank
disguises
that
first
floor
a
little
a
little
bit
more
as
a
as
a
single
story.
The
and
the
lack
of
activation
on
three
sides
of
the
building.
Besides
a
a
parking
entrance,
I
think
is
I'd
like
to
see
more
of
the
block
used
and
activated
so
not
just
along
kitchen
right
kitchen.
S
And
and
I
did
have
a
little
bit
of
I
can't
quite
tell
from
the
drawings
what
that
view
is
when
you're
headed
north
on
Hendersonville
Road,
you
have
the
sloping
roof
and
then
what
happens
above
that?
It's
all
that
that
is
in
the
clouds
in
the
drawings
and
I'd
like
to
be
a
little
clearer.
More
that's
an
important
View,
as
is
the
view
beyond
the
railroad
tracks,
because
the
the
church
is
what
you
see
not
just
from
the
the
primary
point
of
view
from
the
train
station.
S
B
E
S
Attracted
to
the
to
the
to
the
structure,
still
with
you
know,
a
a
number
of
star
of
a
collection
of
pieces
from
other
buildings.
B
C
W
C
W
C
A
Variations
of
building
four
in
the
central
section,
it
has
a
two-story
expression
on
Hendersonville
and
then
the
upper
two
levels
are
in
the
roof
line.
So
it's
two
stories
and
two
half
stories.
You
might
say
it's
three
stories
that
we're
referring
to
it
as
three
and
a
half
and
that's
the
one
that
really
follows
the
model
of
the
existing
bohemian.
A
That's
right:
the
floor
play
recedes
and
becomes
Dormers
in
the
case
of
the
parts
of
it
are
hip
and
Gable.
Dormers
parts
are
just
you
know
the
single
Gable
and
then
some
are
shed
I'm.
Also,
if
I
just
point
this
out,
this
was
a
comment
from
preservation,
society
and
one
that
I
think
we
we
are
mindful
of
and
after
hearing
tonight,
I
think
in
you
know
in
final
study,
certainly
I
think
it's.
A
A
very
productive
comment
is
the
expression
of
the
first
floor
on
Hendersonville
is
something
that
we
we
in
fact
have
already
brought
it
down.
It's
it's
a
it's
16
feet
and
I.
Think
there's
probably
room
bring
that
down
a
bit
more
to
kind
of
look
at
that
proportionality
between
the
first
level
and
the
second
level.
I
think
that
would
be
that's
a
really
that's
an
insightful
comment,
one
that
we
certainly
hadn't,
fully
considered.
A
These
are
thoughts
from
other
commission
members.
Oh
yeah
I
have
something
I,
this
I'm
a
new
commissioner.
So
this
is
the
first
meeting
I've
set
in
on
where
this
has
been
discussed
and
I've.
We've
heard
a
lot
of
statements
about
how
responsive
the
developers
have
been
and
how
patient
they've
been
with
meeting
all
of
these
modifications-
and
although
this
is
my
first
meeting
in
which
we
are
discussing
this
plan,
I
do
agree
with
that
as
well.
A
I
agree
that
these
developers
are
definitely
showing
great
integrity
and
patience
and
working
with
us
and
with
the
community
and
the
from
an
architectural
standpoint.
I
mean
these
buildings
are
stunning
they're
gorgeous,
but
I
think
it's
important
I
know.
We've
heard
a
lot
of
statements,
many
statements
along
the
lines
of
you
know
this
looks
so
much
better
and
they
really
listen
to
us
and
you
know
I
agree.
However,
you
know
considering
that
this
was
a
town
commissioned
by
George
Vanderbilt
himself
to
be
a
work
in
company
town
for
employees
of
the
state.
A
It's
just
such
a
big
building
in
such
a
big
plan
of
development
for
such
a
historical
Village.
That
I
think
it's
important
that,
although
they've
been
doing
such
a
great
job
and
modifying
these
design
plans,
I,
don't
I,
don't
feel
comfortable
settling
for
good
enough
sort
of
in
agreement
with
what
she
was.
One
of
the
other
Commissioners
was
saying
earlier.
I
still
didn't
feel
comfortable.
I
think
you
guys
have
done
such
a
great
job,
adhering
to
our
suggestions
as
a
commission.
W
I
I'd
like
to
commend
your
communication
skills
with
the
neighborhood
I.
Think
it's
been
fantastic
I
think
we
have
watched
this
building
really
transform
in
a
really
wonderful
Direction
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
a
nice
addition.
I
have
a
couple
concerns
about
the
massing
and
also
the
the
noise
of
the
building,
so
to
speak.
I
think
if,
if
it
could
be
quieted
just
a
little
bit,
it
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
detail
going
on
I,
don't
know
what
the
answer
is.
W
It
just
I
think
for
the
rest
of
the
buildings
have
a
little
bit
more
Simplicity,
and
this
has
just
it's
full
on
and
I
also
agree
with
several
the
other
Commissioners
I'm
I'm,
not
I,
don't
think
we're
quite
there
yet
so
we're
close
I
think
we're
close
it.
It
looks
wonderful,
your
the
drawing's
beautiful
it
just
just
it's
a
lot.
It's
a
lot
for
right
there
and
I
just
think
of
quiet
itself
somehow
and
become
part
of
the
neighborhood
that
way.
I
would
I
would
fully
endorse
that.
W
Alex,
this
is
maybe
just
a
sort
of
a
technical
like
a
logistics
kind
of
a
question,
most
of
the
applications
that
we
review
are
way
smaller
in
scale
and
when
they
get
to
the
place
where
they're
presenting
to
us.
It's
a
lot
it's
pretty
far
along
and
it's
pretty
done,
and
even
in
the
case
of
sort
of
new
construction
in
red,
new
residential
construction.
It's
you
know
one
or
two
meetings.
W
And
so
how
do
we
get
to
a
place
without
you
know,
requiring
six
more
trips
to
HRC
or
wait
another
six
months
until
all
the
drawings
are
finished
to
get
to
that
place?
W
Oriented
commission
and
has
you
know,
worked
with
applicants
when
they,
you
know
giving
feedback
and,
of
course,
it's
up
to
the
applicant
whether
or
not
they
want
to
request
a
continuation,
and
so
you
know
if,
if
they
want
to
continue
to,
you
know,
take
feedback,
and
you
know
maybe
it's
the
next
meeting.
Maybe
it's
maybe
it's
not.
You
know.
We
can't
really.
We
don't
have
a
way
to
predict
the
future.
W
Unfortunately,
so,
certainly
while
we're
always
mindful
of
the
applicant
and
trying
to
you
know,
make
sure
we're
you
know
trying
to
minimize
the
amount
of
meetings
we're
all
involved.
Unfortunately,
with
a
project,
that's
big
and
complicated,
it
just
is
as
you,
as
you
mentioned,
with
even
with
our
like
single
family
residential
projects.
Oftentimes
take
at
least
two
meetings.
W
It's
a
rare
occasion
that
there's
just
one,
and
so
it
really
is
just
kind
of
working
through
the
feedback
based
on
the
design
standards
which
just
want
to
reiterate.
That's
important
to
just
keep.
You
know,
keep
tying
your
like
I
know.
I
know
everyone
gives
their
comments
kind
of
in
a
very
general
way,
but
making
sure
that
you're
being
clear
which
standards
you're
referencing
back
to
so
they
feel
like
they
can
better
make
their
case
next
time
versus
just
kind
of
like
I
like
or
you
know
this.
W
This
and
and.
I
I
I
have
reached
out
to
share
all
of
that
and
vice
chair
hornaday
about
potentially
moving
the
date
for
the
October
meeting
to
the
following
week,
because
I
have
a
conflict
the
week
of
the
next
hrcbd,
so
that
theoretically
would
give
a
slightly
bigger
window
very
slightly
bigger
window
for
them
to
do
revisions.
Obviously
it's
like
only
a
week
and
a
half.
I
So
that
was
a
long
answer
to
your
question,
but
I
think
it
just
unfortunately
or
color
I
guess
in
some
ways
it's
good
that
we're
working
back
and
forth
because
I
think,
as
you
pointed
out,
it
does
typically
end
up
where
in
a
place
where
very
clearly
meets
the
design
standards,
whereas
the
initial
phase
it
may
not
have
and
so
I
think,
that's
obviously
the
goal
that
we're
all
working
towards.
But
there's
not
a
way
that
we
can
say.
I
I
And
I'd
like
to
reiterate
what
Alex
is
saying
about
the
standards
I'm,
not
because
this
is
such
a
big
project.
It's
easy
to
talk
about
mass
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
little
bit
I'm,
not
quite
there.
We
have
to
do
better
at
saying
this
is
the
standard
I'm
struggling
with?
What
is
that
standard?
What
would
help
them
to
get
either
closer
to
that
standard?
I
Or
are
you
leaning
towards
saying
I,
don't
think
it
can
meet
that
standard,
but
but
got
to
you
know
often
we
will
pull
out
the
staff
might
pull
out
some,
but
these
are
four
books
in
the
Biltmore
Village
guidelines.
It's
a
very
complex
standards
different
than
our
other
historic
districts.
That's
the
other
thing
we
don't
often
have
them
in
the
Biltmore
Village
District.
The
guidelines
are
different,
and
so
you
know
just
to
the
extent
that
you
can
try
to
articulate
that
a
little
clearly
might
help
move
them
towards.
I
You
know
what
is
it
that
you
would
be
able
to
say,
and
even
you
know
often
when
the
public
speaks,
that
they
don't
they
don't
know
to
speak
in
terms
of
the
guidelines,
but
if
someone's
making
a
statement
from
the
public,
it
is
your
role
to
say.
Can
you
tell
us
what
standard
that
that
you're?
Really
you
know?
What
can
you
tell
us
the
standards
and
the
guidelines.
I
May
I
comment
also
I
just
like
to
say,
along
with
everyone
else,
I'm
just
incredibly
pleased
with
how
far
this
project
has
come
along
I'd,
just
like
to
remind
everyone,
including
all
of
us,
Commissioners,
that
this
is
a
large
Hotel,
there's
only
so
much
you
can
do
to
make
it
look
like
a
small
building,
so
you
can
only
push
push
those
comments
so
much
and.
I
Evaluations
that
are
well
balanced
that
make
sense.
Of
course
they
have
to
meet
the
standards,
but
we
do
have
to
be
judicious
and
how
far
we
want
to
push
a
particular
detail,
and
of
course
you
know
it
would
really
help
the
applicant
if
they
had
very
specific
feedback
from
us,
but
I
just
also
want
to
remind
everyone.
I
It's
important
to
just
remember:
this
is
a
big
hotel.
There's
there's
only.
T
I
Small
village,
so
I
think
they've
come
a
long
way.
They've
done
quite
a
lot
I
in
my
mind,
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
much
more.
E
D
Applicant
can
make
sense
of
those
comments
and
and
improve
the
project
and
make
it
even
better.
That's
wonderful,
but
there's
only
so
much
we
can
push
this.
D
D
You
know
in
looking
at
the
design
guidelines
for
historic,
Styles,
When,
developing
designs
in
the
historic
Styles
refer
to
Historic
documentation
of
other
buildings
in
the
district,
to
identify
elements
that
may
be
used.
Moderate
flexibility
in
interpreting
this
historic
design
vocabulary
is
appropriate
as
long
as
the
resulting
design
is
in
keeping
with
the
original
character
of
The
Village.
D
Building
for
use,
building
forms
that
match
those
used
historically
use
roof
forms
that
match
those
used
historically
in
the
sub
area,
building
materials,
ornament
and
trim,
one
of
the
principles
of
design
review
for
historic
districts.
Is
that
what
we
we
are
not
promoting
good
design,
because
good
design
depends.
You
know
it's
it's
a
very
personal
and
subjective
thing
to
ensure
compliance
with
the
design
standards
and
if
we
are
inclined,
if
we
are
disinclined
to
approve
an
application,
we
need
to
demonstrate
how
it
does
not
meet
the
design
standards.
D
D
So
I
think
there's
maybe
it's
somewhere
in
between
that's
an
interesting
differentiation,
because
my
inclination
would
be
to
use
historics.
You
know
the
guidelines
for
historic
styles,
the
ones
for
contemporary
Styles
only
take
it
like
a
little
tiny
little
further.
It
just
doesn't
there's
more
really
more
leeway
in
ornament
and
trim,
basically
yeah
the
differences.
That's
that's
there
and
so
that's
you
know.
They're
they're,
not
dissimilar
and
I
I
tend
to
I
tend
to
agree
with
your
statement
that
not
not
meaning.
D
D
You
know
one
example
is
the
setback
for
that
upper
story
on
buildings,
one
and
two
and
I
agree
with
what
the
preservation
Society
said,
that
the
setback
for.
W
W
You
know.
The
purpose
of
the
setback
is
to
break
up
the
facade
to
recede
that
upper
story.
It
is
not
you
we,
whether
or
not
it's
in
it's
intended
to
make
that
upper
setback
story.
Invisible
I
think
is
Up
For
Debate,
even
the
recessed
upper
story
on
the
S
W
building,
which
this
body
approved,
is
visible
from
some
Vantage
points.
W
W
And
I
would
say
that
in
render-
and
it
reads
very
differently
than
it
does
in
some
of
the
sketches-
because
we're
able
to
see
the
color
that
dark
color
of
that
setback
level
on
the
kitchen
play
side
that
is
matching
the
roof.
You
sort
of
have
to
take
a
second
and
realize
it's
not
roof
in
a
way.
That
was
very
different
of
a
perspective
for
me
than
in
some
of
these
renderings.
S
A
distraction
to
those
views
of
the
cathedral
is
a
lot
of
sort
of
unnecessary
fussiness
along
the
way.
That
would
distract
you
from
that
sort
of
of
you.
It's
not
to
say
that
there
should
it
shouldn't,
be
beautiful
in
its
own
right
and
that
you're
allowed
to
and
and
you're
told,
to
emulate
a
lot
of
the
historic
character
of
The
District
in
buildings
that
you're
that
you're,
proposing
I
just
think.
There's
a
we
sometimes.
W
So
it
sounds
like
what
go
ahead:
go
ahead,
go
ahead,
gosh
I'm
not
really
sure
where
to
begin,
but
first
of
all
just
thank
everyone.
Thank
you
know
the
comments
that
that
we
heard
from
the
public
and
and.
I
Your
deliberation
and
I
realize.
W
C
C
That
need
to
be
created
and-
and
we
have
to.
D
Go
to
the
TRC
and
we
have
to
go
to
the
city
council
and
we
have
we
are.
This
is
not
the
last.
This
is
not
the
last
of
it
and
so
I
and
I
recognize.
You
know
the
question
here.
We
share
the
same
thing:
how
do
we
sort
of
log
things
that
we
know
we
need
some
work
but
also
allow
things
to
continue
to
progress
so
that
we
do
have
a
project
one
day,
and
you
know
in
some
jurisdictions
we've
worked
in.
D
You
know,
there's
a
there's:
a
two-part
approval
process,
there's
part
one
which
is
sort
of
everything,
height
and
mass.
This
is
beyond
that
because
we
do
have
details,
we
do
have
materials
in
some
cases.
There's
final
there's
an
approval,
but
then
final
final
details
to
be
reviewed
by
staff
as
as
a
condition
so
as
I'm
just
sort
of
thinking
out
loud
with
the
Dilemma
in
a
sense
of
if
I
go
to
a
600
sheet
set
of
drawings.
D
I
was
like
wow,
but
but
at
the
same
time,
to
be
able
to
to
honor
some
of
the
comments
and
questions
and
the
things
that
you
all
have
said
that
they
can
become
part
of
the
record.
That
can
become
something
that
we
can
take
on
board
as
we
move
continue
to
move
through
the
process.
So
if
there
was
a
an
approval
with
conditions
that
identify
we
request,
you
know
that
you
simplify
certain
details,
or
you
know,
or
or
you
know,
study
balconies
with
the
staff
to
ensure
there's
a
good
precedent
for
that
or
some.
D
If
there's,
if
there's
a
a
sort
of
taking
note
of
you,
know
some
of
these
smaller
things.
But
there
is
sort
of
the
broader
question
that
yes,
this
is
a
project
that
will
have
a
600
sheet
set
of
drawings,
and
so
having
sort
of
that
that
ability
to
coordinate
with
the
historic
preservation
staff,
which
is
something
that.
W
We
often
find
ourselves
doing
on
larger
projects
might
be
an
answer
to
being
able
to
allow
the
project
to
continue
to
progress
forward
because,
as
I
said,
we
do
have
a
long
way
to
go
and-
and
if
you
know
and
I've
I've
learned
and
appreciated
everything.
I've
heard
tonight,
I've
made
little
notes.
But
you.
D
Know
coming
back
and
having
another
several
hour
meeting
with
you
all
when
we
still
have
so
much
more
to
do,
there
may
be
maybe
there's
another
way,
I
guess
that
would
make
sure
that
these
conditions
are
noted
so
that
we
know
that
you
know
they
can
be
addressed
well.
Did
you
get
a
copy
of
Alex's
staff
report?
D
I
have
it
yes,
so
you've
seen
the
total
height
things
that
she
mentions
in
administration
and
the
so
I
think
that's
a
good,
obviously
a
place
to
check
off
how
you're
addressing
and
that
might
give
the
commission
some
comfort
on
how
the
guideline
standards
are
being
mad
and,
as
commissioner
McDonald
said,
that
it's
not
up
to
our
ecstatic
to
choose
beauty
or
not
beauty
or
Super
Beauty,
because
this
is
all
you
know,
it's
wonderful,
it's
all
wonderful,
but
I,
think
that
would
be
helpful
and
how
your
address,
how.
G
D
How
we
can
say
that,
even
in
the
where
the
zones
are
split,
how
you're
addressing
the
hype
and
bringing
down
the
heights
to
meet
the
total
35th
I
think
he
did,
though
that
was
his
presentation
was
those
two
things
to
me
at
least
that's
what
I've.
W
Design
element,
the
architectural
features,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say:
if
there's
you
know
other
places
that
do
issue
approvals
with
conditions.
We
also
do
that
here,
but
it's
for
things
that
aren't
subjective
staff
doesn't
have
the
authority
to
make
subjective
decisions.
It
feels
like
a
big
lift
for
us
to
just
push
all
the
design
detailing
right
conditions
yeah
for
Alex
to
sort
out
there's
just
for
staff
more
like
a
lot
Alex.
Do
we
is?
Is
there
a
history
of
the
HRC
issue,
because
what
what
they're
asking
is
basically
a
concept
approval?
W
D
With
some
details
with
all
a
lot
of
details,
but
where
that
can
that
concept
approval
allows
them
to.
W
T
D
I
mean
I
sort
of
like
this
idea,
though,
because
it
would
have
because
I
don't
know
that
I'm
hearing
large
dissension
around
massing
and
the
overall
sort
of
thing
of
it,
then
maybe
it's
one
more
meeting
then
because
I
don't
know,
we
can't
issue
like
we've.
Never
like
that's,
not
really
a.
What
you
describe
Annie
is
not
anything
that
we've
done
and
in
fact,
I'm
kind
of
struggling
with
the
idea
that
this
is
a.
W
W
And
be
able
to
apply
the
standards,
so
I
guess
I'm
still
waiting
to
hear.
What
are
you
from
these?
What
why
why
can't
you,
what
is
difficult
or
what
standards
just
are
not
clear
from
I
am
level
a
Drive.
That's
that's!
How
I
am
prepared
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
it,
because
to
me
I
see
to
me
it
meets
the
design
standards
for
Biltmore
Village.
D
Members
aren't
there
yet.
So
how
do
you
feel
about
the
three
and
a
half
stories
on
Andersonville
Road
and
that
it
means
that
design
standard
depending
on
how
you
Define
a
half
story?
It's
not
the
full
floor
plate
of
the
full
story
below
so
to
me,
those
are
half
stories,
so
it
looks
like
yeah.
We
do
have
stories.
Basically,
so
that's
one
story,
so
there's
still
half
a
story
over
my
mind,
I
think
it's
it's
more
if
you
think
about
it
from
a
foreign
perspective
from
a
foreign
perspective,
okay!
D
Well,
because
it's
also
it's
allowed
to
be
on
Hendersonville
Road
three
and
a
half
stories
right,
that's
right,
good!
So
what
you
basically
have
is
two
and
two
half
stories:
yeah,
exactly
yeah
I,
don't
right
that
I
I!
Think
we're,
because,
like
the
consistent
thing
in
the
staff
report
is
consistent
in
the
comments
throughout
and
so
yeah,
that's
been
the
elephant
in
the
room
through
everybody's
comments
here,
yeah,
so
I
think
that
that
is
the
big
thing
that
has
to
be
discussed
here.
Well,
maybe
these
drawings
are
detailed
enough,
we're
happy
they
are
yeah.
D
Maybe
they
are
maybe
they're
more
detailed
than
I
thought
they
were
when
I
put
the
you
know
when
I
dropped,
my
stock
reports
I'm
usually
into
what
I
think
the
commission
commission
part
of
what
I
put
on
paper
paper.
So
knowing
that
we
would
be
discussing
Building
height
in
general,
that
was
noted
for
all
was
noted
for
all
the
buildings
building
Notions.
If
you
will
so
I
think
that
they
have.
D
So
you
know,
I'm,
not
I
I
feel
like
I
agree
with
McDonald,
but
I
would
understand
if
there
are
Commissioners
who
don't
feel
like
they're
deal
of
the
books.
That's
what
it's
that
we're
talking
about.
It's
like
the
overall
scale
of
this
project
and
I
know,
as
some
of
you
have
pointed
out,
it
is-
and
one
thing
I
talked
with
Christian
about
this
morning-
is
what
is
the
feasibility
of
a
smaller
project
on
a
lot
in
an
urban
environment
like
this?
E
D
Yeah
I
think
I
I
think
it's
to
Annie's
point.
It's
not
not
meeting
the
guidelines
again.
D
Sometimes
the
standards
aren't
very
specific
Annie
was
saying:
does
it
really
talk
about
the
step
backs
and
what
those
are
supposed
to
accomplish
and
what's
successful?
That's
when
you
go
to
the
very
general
standard,
which
is:
is
this
congruous
with
the
historic
district
with
the
street
pattern,
which
also
includes
newer
buildings?
D
Now,
just
not
just
the
small
original
Village
building
so
again
just
trying
to
pull
out
what
you,
what
you
see
and
and
I'm,
not
pushing
you
to
make
a
decision
tonight,
just
trying
to
think
more
because
Alexander
was
saying:
if
what
you're
stuck
on
is
the
one
that
says
should
not
exceed
three
stories,
and
there
must
be
one
that
says,
except
on
Hendersonville.
Road
should
not
again
we're
not
in
a
perfect
shall
not,
but
should
not
so
one
can
mitigate.
You
consider
doesn't
mitigate
the
you
know
if
it's
beyond
three
stories,
how
is
it
mitigated?
D
H
D
D
S
S
S
S
Up
I
think
that
you
know
that
just
listening
to
that
comment,
looking
at
the
design
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
a
good
that
would
be
a
good
design
addition
to
the
world.
I
think
you
all
can
visualize
what
that
would
do,
but
I
think
that
that
would
certainly
be
a
condition
that
we
could
take
take
forward.
It's
not
a
reasonable
condition.
D
Really
the
the
the
overall
like
the
design
features,
not
all
of
you
said
and
even
said
something
about
that.
But
that
was
a
concern
because
I
do
think,
while
they're
at
the
standards
that
allow
for
some
flexibility
I,
do
think
that
I
think
elements.
Let's
go
find
a
little
bit.
S
You
worded
it
well
quiet,
yeah,
quiet
I,
thought
was
It
was
a.
S
A
little
bit
simplified
in
some
areas
building,
but
that's
that
again,
that's
subjective
and
that's
not
something
that
hi
well
and
I.
Think
to
the
point
of
the
standards
there
there's
encouragement
throughout
the
standards
to
replicate
and
to
emulate,
what's
already
detailed
in
the
district
and
which
is
different
than
other
districts.
Oftentimes.
D
D
Thinking
on
how
they
wanted
to
incorporate
design
elements
found
in
the
village,
if
I
could
just
speak
to
that
a
little
bit,
I
would
say
you
know,
I
think
we
struggle
in
our
time,
because
details
are
usually
removed
and
removed
and
removed,
and
we
end
up
with
buildings
that
are
really
very
boring,
and
it's
really
hard
to
put
details
into
buildings
and
we've
really.
You
know
this
is
such
an
important
site
that
we've
put
our
heart
and
soul
into
it.
I
really
don't
want
to
water
it
down,
because
I
feel
like
it's
dessert.
It's
interesting.
D
The
AI
just
held
their
conference
here
in
Asheville,
the
three-state
conference
and
Richard
Morris
hunt
started
the
AIA
we're
working
next
door.
So
we
have,
you
know,
we're
an
important
site
and
we're
we're
participating
in
a
historical
Continuum
of
a
village
with
you
know,
125
year
more
history,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
to
water
it
down,
but
I
would
also
say
the
drawings
I
think
can
sometimes
make
it
look
noisier
yeah,
because
you're
seeing
all
the
lines,
but
in
this
mode
of
design,
for
example,
I
mean
I'll
just
use
a
photo
here.
S
The
the
darker
colors
I
think
absorb
detail,
and
that's
really
what
I
wanted
to
say
that
it's
hard
to
get
the
detail
in
there,
but
then
I
think
it's
just
in
nature
of
Biltmore
Village.
The
recessive
colors
sort
of
swallow
it
up.
So,
but
when
you
walk
the
street-
and
you
see
it
you're
like
this,
then
you
know
you
were
meant
to
be
there
as
a
human
being.
S
You
know
that
that
up
close
pedestrian
detail,
if
we
can
get
refinement
down
to
a
quarter
of
an
inch,
we
have
to
do
that
or
we
don't
do
that
enough
today
in
any
mode
of
design-
and
this
is
a
design
opportunity
in
a
village
that
was
just
was
based
on
a
theme.
I
mean
it's
only
European
Village
in
the
United
States.
So
it
has
these
unusual
aspects
to
it,
but
it
also
has
excellent
design
and
it
has
quality
and
it
has
texture
and
it
has
human
scale.
S
So
that's
that's
what
we
have
attempted
to
bring
forward
in
the
details
that
we've
created
and
and
I
and
and
I
recognize
that
you
know
line
drawings
may
make
them
feel
a
little,
maybe
a
little
louder,
but
I
think
in
reality,
when
they're
executed
and
I
just
I
see
that
over
and
over
as
we
walk
through
the
village,
we
look
at
the
granularity
of
detail.
It's
what
makes
it
it's.
What
makes
it
so
Rich
it's
what
makes
it
worth
being
there
and
these
buildings
don't
hold
back.
S
Even
the
newer
ones,
don't
hold
back
too
much.
It's
just
phenomenal.
So
we're
inspired
by
that.
We've
hopefully
communicated
that
in
the
in
the
work
that
we've
done
and
or
you
know
are
committed
to
delivering
those
details
in
the
project.
Madam
chair,
I'm,
going
to
propose,
propose
emotion,
and
if
anybody
wants
to
move
to.
S
Discussing
this
for
two
and
a
half
hours
and
I
am
prepared
to
make
a
motion
that
I
support
not
just
to
move
this
along,
but
because
I
believe
the
project
meets
the
design
standards
for
Biltmore
Village.
So
I
it.
Yes,
it's
just
that
if
we
don't
know
the
sense
where
everybody's
going
yeah,
you
take
a
vote
that.
D
Vote
stands,
and
so,
if
the
applicant
would
have
you
know,
we've
talked
about
maybe.
D
And
I
guess
you
think
you
know
we
vote
to
approve
it.
It's
not
the
and
and
the
can
I
mean
some
numbers
may
vote
to
approve
and
some
may
vote
to
deny
or
you
know
there
may
be
emotion,
an
alternate
motion
proposed.
D
D
W
The
first
thing
is,
if
you
can
lower
that
first
level,
like
ceiling
as
a
condition,
I
would
want
that
yeah.
W
S
I
right
Alex
said
that
would
be
outside.
You
were
I
think
it
just
means
that
it
would
change
like
the
part.
Would
just
change
like
it's
like
right
to
address
that
specific
item,
the
exterior
expression
where
the
cantilever
is.
We
could
lower
that
on
the
on
those
step
down
Pavilions,
so
it
would
relate
that
roofline
more
and
that
would
be
a
definable
condition.
S
W
T
W
D
D
Be
a
foot
lower
and
the
commission
with
that,
and
that's
where
you
well.
Yes,
that
will
be
more
specific.
We
would
just
make
a
condition
that
was
reduced
in
that
yes,
it
would
have
to
be
that
specific
I
have
a
question
with
respect
to
that
requirement
to
reduce
it
it
it's
not
actually
a
floor
to
floor
height,
you're
asking
him
to
reduce
it's
just
an
exterior
facade
detailing
I.
Think
that
was
something
that
anxiety.
D
D
I
don't
have
any
specific
feedback,
though
my
what
I
don't
feel
comfortable
with
this,
the
large
scale
of
the
building
that
I
don't
know
enough
about
all
the
details,
to
to
name
something
specifically
I'm,
just
the
largest
I
would
say.
I
would
deny
at
this
point,
you're
good,
yeah
I
would
be
ready
to
approve
I'd
like
to
say
about
the
addressing
the
whole
issue
about
having
too
much
detailing
I'm
thinking.
D
The
commission,
on
one
hand,
is
asking
him
to
break
down
the
scale
of
the
building
to
be
more
in
keeping
with
the
village,
but
on
the
other
hand,
we're
saying
it's
too
fuzzy.
It
has
too
much
detail.
Adding
t-tail
is
something
that
helps
break
down
the
scale,
so
I
just
want
to
also
all
of
us
to
be
mindful
of
giving
conflicting
Direction.
D
T
D
Alex
I
I've
noticed
that
you
have
added
some
text
to
this,
can
can
I
start
yeah
I
was
just
adding
the
exhibits.
Okay,
Madam
chair,
based
on
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
the
application
and
project
description
of
four
pages,
exhibit
B
the
new
construction
worksheet
of
four
pages
Exhibit
C,
the
photographs
of
five
pages
exhibit
D
the
site.
Plans
of
four
pages
exhibit
e
the
floor.
D
Plans
of
four
pages
exhibit
F
the
renderings
three
pages
exit
G,
the
color
palette
and
material
images
of
four
pages
exhibit
H
the
window
and
storefront
specifications
of
three
pages
exhibit
I.
The
arborist
report
of
three
pages
exhibit
J
conceptual
plans
and
drawings
of
28
Pages
exhibit
K,
contextual
design
studies,
13
Pages
exhibit
L
owner's.
S
S
S
2023
exhibit
U
the
additional
drawings
and
photographs
five
pages
received,
May
10
2023
exhibit
W
revised
plans
of
34
Pages
received
May
24
2023
exhibit
X
local
historic
district
description
and
inventory
of
16
Pages
added
by
staff
on
September
6
2023
exhibit
y
the
additional
section
drawings
of
two
pages
received.
September
7th
2023
exhibit
Z.
D
The
2018
historic
structure
survey
report
171
Pages
received
from
the
North
Carolina
State
historic
preservation
office,
September
11
2023
exhibit
double
a
memorandum
from
Glenn
stack
of
two
pages.
August
8
2023
exhibit
a
b
the
Glen
glenstocks
curriculum
vitae
of
Nine
Pages
received
August,
9th
2020-23.
B
August
31st
2023
exhibit
AF
material
samples
received
September
13th
2023
exhibit
AG
the
3D
modeling
images
received
September
13
2023,
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
the
subject
property
by
all
members.
Is
anybody
not
I
move
that
the
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
application
based
on
the
following
that
the
application
is
to
recombine
parcels
and
demolish
existing
non-contributing
structures
in
surface
parking?
Lot
construct
a
two
to
three
and
a
half
story:
99
915
square
foot
hotel
with.
E
B
Gravel
Dash
Pebble
Dash,
smooth
fiber
cement
board
and
batten
and
shiplap
and
stone
siding
and
Ludowici
graduated
tile,
roofing
and
Fire
Flash
color
windows
will
be
heard,
sdl
aluminum
glad
in
a
variety
of
fixed
and
double
hung.
Styles
Western,
Windows
system,
steel,
multi-light,
casement
and
custom
wood,
transoms
pedestrian
doors
will
be
Marvin,
Wood,
metal
and
glass
in
a
variety
of
colors
garage
doors
will
be
rytec
double
wall,
aluminum
multiple
window
and
door.
Openings
will
have
cannabis.
Canvas
awnings
with
iron
support,
arms
base
plates
and
decorative
finials.
B
Other
decorative
elements
include
wood
brackets
exposed
wood,
rafter
ends,
Juliet
balconies
with
metal
and
wood.
Railings
have
timbering
brick
inlay
Stone,
Corner
insets
painted
framed
panels
with
pressed
copper,
ornaments,
an
ocular
window,
wood,
shutters
and
copper,
gutters
and
downspouts
construct
a
35
39.
B
Okay,
sorry,
to
throw
you
off
what
did
you
just
start?
It
passenger
passenger
drop-off
area
will
be
paved
with
pine
Hall
rumbled
cocoa,
with
two
concrete
driveway
aprons
sidewalk
along
Hendersonville
Road
will
be
replaced
with
new
six
foot
wide
Pine
Hall
rumbled
FR.
What
is
that
full
range?
Brick
sidewalk
with
six
foot
ten
inch
wide
planning
strip
with
small
shrubs
and
Coosa
dogwoods.
The
new
section
of
brick
sidewalk
will
extend
from
existing
sidewalk
to
pedestrian
entrance
on
South
elevation.
The
existing
planting,
strips
and
mature
trees
will
be
retained
and
preserved
as
much
existing
brick.
I
I
Plan
adopted
on
July
1
1992
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Number
three:
this
application
does
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
The
new
building
is
harmonious,
informed,
material
and
scale
with
a
village
character.
The
primary
facades
are
pedestrian
interesting
at
the
ground
level.
C
I
I
By
varying
setbacks,
root
forms
and
materials,
the
overall
building
forms
and
roof
forms
closely
match
those
used.
Historically,
the
building
incorporates
materials
that
are
similar
to
those
used.
Historically,
for
all
major
surfaces,
main
entrances
are
oriented
toward
the
street
setback
patterns
and
building
alignments
established
by
the
traditional
setbacks
from
the
street
are
being
maintained.
Existing
mature
trees
are
being
maintained
and
preserved.
I
While
the
standards
indicate
that
planting
strips
be
planted
with
glass
and
Street
trees,
Hendersonville
Road
is
an
ncdot
maintained,
Road
and
large
maturing
trees
will
not
be
allowed
within
the
planting
strip
along
that
side
of
the
development.
That's
the
planting
strip
will
be
landscaped
with
smaller
maturing.
C
I
S
H
S
Do
not
exceed
30
feet
and
three
and
a
half
stories
along
Hendersonville
Road.
The
facades
are
divided
into
portions,
similar
and
scaled
to
Historic
facades
by
varying
setbacks,
root
forms
and
materials.
Is
that
acceptable
number
four,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruous
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
Biltmore
Village
historic
district?
That
is
my
first
motion.
S
Second,
all
in
favor
all
opposed
no.
D
D
T
Next
is
Montford
246,
Cumberland,
Avenue
Alex
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
to
all
the
very
patient
people
waiting
in
the
audience,
I'm
gonna
be
really
brief.
With
this
one
too,
this
one
is
also
third
time
going
before
the
commission.
T
Well,
I'll
just
keep
talking
since
we've
got
at
least
three
working
screens,
but
so
this
is
as
a
recap
and
after
the
fact
request,
there
was
a
swimming
pool
project
approved
for
this
property
back
in
2018
and
that
included
a
low
brick
wall
around
the
perimeter
of
the
pool
decking
that
had
that
had
approval
for.
T
W
We
also
the
paving
material.
C
T
As
requested
by
the
applicant
and
the
commission,
we
solicit
technical
advice
from
the
North
Carolina
State
historic
preservation
office,
and
the
letter
is
in
the
folder.
If
you
read
the
letter,
they
were
looking
at
consistency
with
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
against
the
character
of
the
Montford
historic
district.
So
I
think
the
letter
is
very
well
written
and
super
helpful
and
if
I
don't
know
how
in-depth
all
of
you
have
gotten
with
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
but
they're,
basically
like
the
federal
standards.
T
That
then,
is
really
the
basic
kind
of
underlying
standards
for
all
local
historic
district
standards
are
basically
built
upon
that
foundation.
So
it's
really
helpful
in
terms
of
the
letter,
I
think
clarifying
what
the
commission
had
been
struggling
with
and
saying.
We
affirm
the
that
it's
not
consistent
with.
T
It's
in
a
rear
yard
and
I
can
safely
say
that
in
my
now
almost
nine
years
of
doing
this,
the
commission
has
not
treated
rear
yards
entirely
different.
You
know
they
haven't
just
said.
Anything
goes
in
a
rear
yard.
I
guess
is
my
point.
So
there
has
been
some
latitude
for
things
like
swimming
pools
in
the
rear
yard.
In
the
first
place
they
still
have
to
be
in
character.
They
also
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
design
standards
and
therefore.
T
T
Think
that
it
had
this
been
proposed
in
the
first
place
to
the
commission
with
walls
instead
of
the
fence.
I,
don't
think
that
the
commission
would
have
approved
that
in
the
first
place.
So
we're
really
looking
at
this,
as
if
you
are
reviewing
this,
if
it
weren't
built
and
so
yeah
I
I,
am
at
this
point
not
recommending.
I
In
favor
of
approval
of
the
walls,
I
will
say
that
and
Janice
can.
T
T
Does
that
make
sense
because
the
driveway
goes
back
and
the
grade
drops
down
to
where
the
pool
is
so
that
wall
that
goes
around
on
the
left-hand
side
of
this
photo?
That's
that
was
approved,
so
that's
the
East
wall,
so
the
north
and
east
is
new
wall.
This
is
that's
South,
which
myself,
but
where
to
the
left,
okay,
South
is
left,
so
we're
you're
kind
of
going
out
at
the
top
left
of
this
picture
that
entire
section
going
out.
That's
that's
not
a
retaining
wall.
I
It's
been
I
can't
tell
you
last
time.
I
was
compared
to
a
biblical
King
known
for
wisdom
and
judgment,
but
that's
great
I
have
not
spoken
with
you
guys
before
so
I
just
want
to
give
a
really
brief.
T
Personal
introduction,
so
you
know
how
I'm
coming
at
this.
My
dad
has
been
retired
for
a
long
time,
but
he
was
an
architect.
He
designed
mostly.
C
I
T
C
S
I
also
think
it's
important
for
this
board
to
know
as
I'm
sure
you
do
that
yells
Authority
is
defined
by
Statute
and
city
ordinance
and.
S
AA
S
S
Not
going
to
quite
be
able
to
get
it
all,
but
they
have
digital
copying.
S
C
T
G
AB
E
I
Operation
of
law
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
you
may
have
about
that.
G
G
E
G
E
E
E
W
AA
When,
if
the
180
days
does
run.
Z
I
E
S
I
I
If
you
get
a
chance
to
read
my
letter,
I
respond
to
each
of
those
points.
First
of
all,
the
statute
is
very
clear
that
if
the
filing
date
starts
the
period
running
not
the
first
time
it's
heard
by
this
board
and
as
to
the
statutory
interpretation
argument,
is
laid
out
in
very
last
paragraph.
The
high
points
are
essentially
where
a
land
use
regulation
is
ambiguous,
and
here
it
doesn't
spell
out
what
happens
when
we
passed
the
180
day
mark.
I
I
Here,
I,
don't
think
it's
actually
unreasonable
for
automatic
approval
to
be
the
interpretation,
because
the
obvious
purpose
of
the
180
day
time
frame
is
to
to
prevent
this
board
from
rejecting
projects
just
through
inaction.
So
we
don't
really
need
to
argue
the
legal
points
unless
Janice
has
further
commentary.
The
real
purpose
of
this
objection
is
to
preserve
the
record
on
appeal
in
case.
We
have
to
take
this
further
to
Superior,
Court.
Actually,
I
don't
know
if
it
goes
to
the
board
of
adjustment
first
or
the
insecure.
No,
it
goes
straight
to
the
court.
I
Okay
and
again,
I,
reiterate
I.
Do
that
is
not
a
question
for
the
HRC
to
determine
it's
not
like
a
political
adjustment,
so
I
would
say
if
your
next
point
is
we'll
have
it
in
the
record,
but
if
your
next
point
is
to
make
really
to
speak
to
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
yes,
so
my
next
point
is
in
response
to
the
litter
on
the
protectional
technical
preservation
advice.
I
First,
I
want
to
note
that
the
rules
of
procedure
for
the
HRC
state
that
y'all
can
seek
this
advice
and
and
I'm
quoting
here.
Any
such
advice
obtained
must
be
presented
by
said
expert
at
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
request.
Hearing
I
just
want
to
know
for
the
record
that
the
author
of
that
letter
is
not
here,
so
we
object
to
it
being
formally
included
in
the
record
and
the
evidence
for
this
hearing.
I
However,
I
do
have
a
response.
I
will
hand
Janice.
AC
Well
is
Jeff
Dalton
here
he
is
not,
but
the
rule
in
the
procedure
is
speaking
directly
to
advice
received
from
me.
Well
in
a
closet
judicial
procedure,
we
can
have
evidence.
That's
admitted
it's
up
to
the
commission
what
they
want
to
accept
as
evidence
or
not
you.
You
are,
on
behalf
of
your
client,
requested
a
letter
from
the
shippo
now
and
it
has
been
admitted
into
evidence
because
it
was
part
of
the
request
and
now
you're
you're
filing
objection
to
it.
You're
also
filing
an
affidavit
and
what
I
always
advise
the
HRC
is.
AC
You
can
accept
you
can
give
whatever
weight
you
want,
but
what
the
weight
you're
supposed
to
give
is
to
a
specific.
So
if
Mr
Dalton
were
here,
you
would
give
that
testimony
a
greater
weight
than
an
affidavit
from
him,
but
it's
quasi-judicial.
So
you
can
accept
this
if
you
want
but
I'm
just
in
terms
of
how
much
you
weigh
things,
it
is
preferable
to
have
the
person
who's
making
this
kind
of
state.
AC
So
I
actually
can't
speak
to
what
happened
last
at
the
last
meeting.
You
know
I
want
to
stress
these
are
kind
of
technical
legal
objections
to
this
letter.
So
can
you
clarify
for
the
record
that
you're
with
the
same
firm
as
Alan
as
Derek
Allen,
who
was
who
represents
this
client
and
who
is
at
the
July
meeting
and
requested
that
this
this
board
approved
that
seeking
a
letter
from
the
shippo
like
I,
said
I'm
from
the
same
firm
I
can't
speak
to
what
happened
at
the
last
meeting.
I
I
had
not
heard
that
from
him.
AC
I
heard
from
you
for
the
first
time
in
your
email
this
afternoon,
so
okay,
I
did
I
did
look
at
the
meeting
minutes.
Whoever
writes
those
by
the
way
deserves
a
Pulitzer
I
mean
it's
very
detailed.
I
did
not
see
the
relevant
portion,
but
I
did
look
at
it
briefly.
Anyway.
That's
beside
the
point.
AC
The
affidavit
you
know,
recites,
you
know
who
he
is,
what
his
experience
is,
what
he
has
reviewed
and
then
States
his
opinions,
so
I
would
Tinder
this
board
as
expert
advice,
request
that
you
accept
it
as
such.
AC
AC
Yeah
take
as
much
time
as
you
need.
I
may
have
misspoke
expert
evidence
is
technically
what
I'm
proposing
here.
It
is
duly
sworn
and
notarized.
This
is
just
a
letter
from
somebody.
We
don't
know
that
he's
an
expert
there's,
there's
not
anybody
here.
No
to
cross-examine
him
because
he's
not
here.
So
this
is
again
it's
a
legal
argument,
you're
making
that
is
outside
of
the
purview
of
this
hearing,
which
is
about
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
AC
So
maybe,
when
you
can
get,
are
you
going
to
be
speaking
about
your
clients,
application
and
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
how
it
meets
the
standards
or
not
so
this
affidavit?
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
All
the
decisions
of
this
board
have
to
be
based
on
common
and
substantial
and
material
evidence
in
the
record.
AC
E
The
this
project
and
how
it
conforms
to
the
design
requirements,
so
it
is
relevant,
regardless
of
the
opinion,
stated
I-
want
to
turn
your
attention
to
the
exhibit
a
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
practical
at
all
to
pull
up
the
actual
application
materials
for
this.
This
other
permit,
which
was.
T
37
Wataga
was
a
backyard
renovation
with
a
pool.
It
added
multiple
freestanding
walls
that
match
the
exterior
finish
of
the
home.
They
were
also
integrated
with
existing
and
I.
Think
additional
retaining.
AC
Walls
that
were
around
the
pool
area,
which
is
the
same
saying
going
on
at
246
Cumberland,
and
you
know,
I
I,
can't
not
with
my
training.
Certainly
I
can't
quite
wrap
my
head
around
how
the
certificate
of
appropriate
is
application
for
246
Cumberland
is
significantly
different
from
37
Watauga
such
that
246
Cumberland
would
not
be
approved
by
this
board
when
37
Watauga
was
so.
AC
That
is
really
my
presentation.
Let
me
look
at
my
nose.
Real
quick
I
think
the
difference
is
that
this
was
approved
by
us
and
what
was
built
at
246
was
not
I.
Understand
that
distinction
and
I
understand
that
that's
been
an
issue.
I
can't
turn
back
time.
I
didn't
tell
my
client
what
to
do
yes,
but
I
I
believe
the
standards
that
apply
are.
T
The
same
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
they
are
the
Montford.
T
O
T
Can't
change
it,
we
I
sort
of
you
know
we
picked
this
up
where
it
came
to
us,
which
was
at
the
stage
our
client
was
issued,
a
notice
of
violation,
so
I
also
actually
do
want
to
note
with
the
letter
the
technical
preservation
advice
letter
I
do
want
to
note
that
the
conclusion
you
know
of
incompatibility
is
tempered
by
some
statements
about
you
know
this
project
wall
being
located
entirely
in
the
rear
yard.
T
I
also
want
to
note
that
you
can't
see
it
in
the
materials
I
in
exhibit
a,
but
if
you
were
to
pull
up
the
plans
for
a
37,
Watauga
you'd
see
that
that
the
walls
at
37
Wataga
are
along
an
Alleyway
they're,
not
even
they're,
it's
more
of
a
corner
lot.
So
in
that
way,
the.
I
Corner
lot,
unless
you
have
any
questions,
I
do
okay,
so
you
noted
that
the
retaining
or
that
the
wall
at.
I
Printer,
so
it
was
in
so
tiny
I,
don't
know
the
name
of
that
alley
off
the
top
of.
W
T
G
I
T
T
The
design
guidelines
that
apply
are
you
requesting
a
continuance
to
the
next
meeting?
I'm,
not
okay,
but
the
facts
Remain
the
similarities
here
are:
this
is
a
freestanding
wall.
It
is
surrounding
a.
I
Pool
renovation
it
is,
it
was
approved
in
in
conjunction
with
some
existing
retaining
walls.
Can
you
tell
us
how.
T
C
I
AA
And
it's
not
in
the
affidavit,
however,
because.
W
AC
W
C
I
W
V
AC
Or
walls
in
locations
that
are
compatible
with
the
traditional
historic
relationships
of
fences
and
walls
to
Historic
properties.
We
asked
specifically
for
information
where
freestanding
walls.
This
Tall
are
historically
present
in
Montford
the
circumstances
around
37
Watauga
are
specific.
To
that
case,
we
review
things
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
so
we
asked
for
evidence
demonstrating
historic
walls
of
this
height
in
this
location,
not
along
a
property
line
in
a
rear
yard.
AC
AC
V
AC
T
AA
T
T
At
this
point,
Alex,
if
you
can
pull
up
the
plans
for
this
I,
pull
them
up
for
the
city,
permitting
portal.
C
AC
A
long
time
ago,
so
we
can
go
on
to
we're
back
to
focusing
on
the
standards
that
we've
referenced
in
your
application.
That's
the
appropriate
way
to
proceed
on
this
and
so
Excuse
Me
Miss,
Ashley,
May
I
also
suggest.
C
E
AD
Beginning
it
was
with
the
original
application.
37
Wataga
is
providing
an
illustrative
example
of
a
very
similar
project
that
was
approved
by
this
board
and
while
we
don't
know
the
very
specific
reasoning
that
was
employed
by
the
board
when
they
approve
this
I
simply
don't
believe.
This
is
distinguishable
in
a
legal
sense.
From
what's
going
on
at
246,
Cumberland
and
and
so
I
submit
to
you
that
if
this
could
be
approved
by
the
board
that
246
Cumberland
should
be
approved
by
the
board,
we
have.
AD
We
previously
submitted
all
kinds
of
photographs
of
other
walls
in
Montford.
We
have
provided
you
know
additional
photos
of
this.
You
know
the
246
Cumberland
project
walls
elsewhere
in
Montford.
AD
AD
AD
Anybody
tell
us
about
246
Cumberlands
wall
ET,
which
of
the
standards.
Does
it
follow
in
your
opinion?
So
my
opinion
is
not
necessarily
relevant
because
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
this,
however
I
laid
it
out
as
I
understood
it
in
the
detailed
project
description.
AD
It
actually
disagrees
with
the
technical
advice,
preservation,
advice,
letter
and
the
fact
that
that
letter
applied
the
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards,
which
are
for
one
thing
completely
new
to
this
matter
and
for
another
thing
they
apply
to
landmarks,
specifically,
which
the
Dunbar
residents
is
part
of
the
historic
district.
But
it
is
not
a
designated
Landmark,
so
I
I
think
you
have
some
pretty
extensive
information.
AD
Before
the
letter
was
requested
from
the
shippo,
their
advice
is
not
binding.
We
commissioned
as
well
aware
of
and
read
to
ask
for
the
letter,
so
I
don't
think
they're
not
making
their
decision
solely
based
on
the
letter,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
I
I
know
that
at
the
last
meeting,
in
addition
to
the
applicant's
desire
to
table
action
until
we
received
the
letter
from
the
shippo,
we
also
specifically
requested
examples
of
other
historic,
not
recently
constructed
historic,
freestanding
walls
that
serve
as
precedents
for
our
action.
AD
On
this
case,
we
specifically
I
specifically
requested
that
and
with
all
due
respect,
just
because
the
commission
approved
a
prior
case
does
not
mean
that
we
will
automatically
approve
a
later
case,
because
we
review
each
application
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Based
on
the
facts
presented,
we
requested
additional
documentation
to
support
the
applicant's
request
we
have
not
received
it.
AD
This
exhibit
a
I
believe
is
additional
documentation,
although
the
freestanding
wall,
I,
believe
are
walls
or
other
were
approved
as
part
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
It
is
not.
This
is
evidence
that
this
board
has
previously
found
that
freestanding
walls
are
consistent
with
the
historic
character
of
Montfort
District.
It
is
not
the
evidence
that
we
requested
I
understand
that
I
am
I,
do
not
feel
as
though
we
have
sufficient
documentation
to
approve
this
application.
I
I
think
that's
the
place
that
we're
looking
to
Define
ourselves
between
what
is
offense
and
what
is
a
wall,
and
so
I,
don't
think
it's
offense
I
think
it's
a
wall
and
I
S
and
you
know,
and
lastly,
designing
new
fences
and
walls
and
keeping
with
this
historic
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
architectural
style
of
the
house.
I
think
that's
where
we
land
when
we,
when
we
look
at
fences
in
the
backyard
again,
we
see
fences.
I
Defining
property
lines
in
the
back
wall
in
the
backyards
or
they're
used
to
retain
dirt
to
to
for
parking
for
sidewalks
to
hold
up
stuff
and
they're
not
freestanding,
even
in
where
we
are
so
that's
sort
of
where
I'm
landing
if
I
take
just
what's
been
presented
for
this
application,
and
even
if
it
was
something
drawn
on
a
piece
of
paper
that
hasn't
been
built.
Yet
that's
the
same
list
that
we
would
use
sure
and
I
would
just
add
that
on
page
40
and
41,
the
standards
for
landscaping
and
trees.
I
C
I
AC
Of
this
as
consistent
worded,
it
says
for
the
following
reasons:
provided
concerns
are
addressed.
We
give
an
allowance
for
the
concerns
to
be
addressed
as
part
of
the
discussion
in
the
meeting
we
don't
tidbits
would
be
atypical
for
staff
to
take.
We
just
straight
up
deny
some
do
not
recommend
denial
of
an
application
right
out
of
the
gate
right.
The
whole
whole
idea
is
for
us
to
try
to
get
to
an
approval
for
whatever
the
commission
is
reviewing,
and
so
that's
why
you
know
today
is
you'll,
see
a
messed
up
report.
AC
AC
If
there
were,
if
there
were
the
standards,
wouldn't
allow
for
Brick
fences
if
there
had
been
break
fences
historically
and
I,
don't
think
that
there's
been
any
demonstration
by
the
applicant
to
show
us
that
that
we're
wrong
about
that
so
I
think
that's
what
we
were
asking
for
at
the
last
meeting
and
the
kind
of
last
thing
was
hey.
Will
you
commission
ask
the
shippo
for
their
advice
which
commission
agreed
to
do,
and
they
didn't
necessarily
have
to
to
invoke
that
statute?
I
It
is
but
again
I,
don't
think,
that's
not
what
the
commission
solely
be
facing
there
their
decision
on,
and
we
also
suggested
to
the
applicant
a
solution
for
finding
other
examples
by
reaching
out
to
other
property
owners
in
Montford
through
the
Montford
residence
Association.
This
Commission
has
been
I
think
generous
in
its
consideration
of
the
applicant's
situation.
I
AD
So
I
would
like
to
just
address
the
citing
concern
that
was
just
mentioned,
I'm
going
for
my
recollection
here,
but
I
believe
the
design
guidelines
make
a
distinction
between
front
and
side
yards
and
Corner
lots
and
rear
yards
when
it
comes
to
the
sighting
of
the
fences,
and
in
fact,
if
this
were
a
100,
solid
wood
fence,
it
could
have
been
approved
at
staff
level
as
a
minor
work,
and
it
would
basically
have
been
as
of
right.
AD
The
only
the
only
difference
here
is
that
this
is
a
brick
wall
instead
of
a
100,
solid
wooden
fence
in
terms
of
how
it
affects
the
landscape
and
the
views
and
all
that
sort
of
thing
I
I
would
submit.
There
is
no
difference
between
this
wall
and
a
100,
solid
wooden
fence.
So
again
we
have
provided
I.
Think
more
than
enough
information
to
support
this
application.
I
respectfully
disagree
about
that
and
again
I'm
working
with
what
I
have
here.
I,
don't
want
to
disrespect
this
board
or
what
you're
doing
here.
AD
I
I
K
I
You
know
historical
preservation,
commissions
regulations.
All
that
sort
of
thing
you
know
cannot,
you
know,
prohibit
you
know
something
that
is
required
by
another
code
or
you
know
in
this
case,
probably
code
and
insurance.
So
that's
another
factor,
and
there
was
a
fence
chair
that
this
commission
approved
yeah.
Just
as
a
reminder,
there
was
a
fence
that
was
approved.
G
I
Was
an
existence,
a
metal
fence
that
was
approved
and
actually
your
Co,
your
co-counsel
stated.
While
my
client
wanted
to
have
a
startier
offense,
because
a
metal
fence,
what
was
it
a
bear,
could
press
the
metal
fence.
So
that's
that's
was
a
that
was
in
the
original.
It
was
it's
it's
in
the
meeting
notes
that
this
was
a
desired.
AD
Material
because
it
was
more
substantial
but
offense
was
there
and
the
fence
was
approved
or
we
wouldn't
be
in
this
situation.
Right
I
think
the
minutes
from
last
meeting
also
addressed
the
Privacy
concern.
You
know
the
fact
that
you
know
it's.
AD
There
were
people
dropping
through
the
backyard
and
all
that
stuff,
in
addition
to
the
fact
that
this
is
providing
a
barrier
around
the
pool
for
safety
purposes,
so.
I
Again,
we're
at
the
distinction,
you
know:
what's
the
difference
between
a
100,
solid
fence
and
what
is
built.
I
C
I
C
B
I
With
the
traditional
historic
relationship,
offenses
and
walls
in
the
historic
properties
in
the
district
feel
it
meets
that
standard
and
so
I
would.
B
Just
to
clarify,
there's
the
two
pieces:
there's
the
pool
decking
and
the
walls,
so
just
to
know
that
if
you,
if
there
is
a
motion
to
deny
and
you're
okay
with
the
pool
decking
to
separate
them
out,
are
you
okay
with
the
pool
decking?
Can
I
can
I?
Do
the
floor
is
closed
for
just
a
second,
let's
finish,
we
can
bring
you
back
in
a
second.
AD
AD
AC
AC
Typically,
yes,
maybe
they're
an
architect,
but
typically
you
have
the
opportunity
to
question
yeah
without
the
the
author
of
the
letter
here
to
cross-examine.
AC
F
M
AC
C
B
Since
he's
not
here
to
be
cross-examined,
but
the
many
of
the
statements
in
there
stand
for
themselves
and
again,
I
will
request
a
ruling
on
whether
this
is
accepted
as
experts
Council,
I
understand
you're.
Is
there
any
there's
no
requirement
for
you
to
accept
it?
As
testimony
I
thought,
I
heard
you
say
you
know,
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
that
you
do
not
consider
it
that
and
that's
fine
okay.
W
G
E
I
B
Long
as
it's
reflected
in
the
record
that
I
tendered
this
as
expert
evidence-
and
this
is
included
in
the
record-
I
I
mean-
are
you:
have
you
sent
a
digital
copy
to
so
it
can
be
in
the
actual
folder.
Okay,
you've
got
it
over
so
I.
Since
we've
closed,
the
public
hearing
can
I
make
a
motion.
B
You'll
just
have
to
read
the
one
twice
and
then
read
one
of
them
in
the
or
the
pool
decking
and
the
other
one
for
them.
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Three
pages
exhibit
B
plans.
Three
pages
Exhibit
C
photos,
ten
Pages
exhibit
D
paper.
Material
images
exhibit
e
owners,
affidavit
exhibit
F
Zillow
image
from
2021
exhibit
G
additional
photos.
Four
pages
exhibit
H
in
C
historic
preservation,
office
letter,
two
pages,
exhibit
I
NC
historic
preservation
office.
B
November
2018
minutes,
43
Pages
added
by
staff,
July
12
2023
exhibit
k,
246,
Cumberland,
Avenue,
finding
of
facts.
Four
pages
exhibit
L
historic,
Resources,
Commission,
January,
2019
minutes
and
finding
a
fax
38
Pages
exhibit
exhibit
m
multiple
listing
service
features
sheet.
Three
pages
received,
August
9
2023
exhibit
in
MLS
full
agent
display
five
pages
received,
August
9th
2023
exhibit
o
MLS
assistant,
residential
property
and
Owners
Association
discloses
four
pages
received,
August
9th
2023
and
the
commission's
actual
oh.
B
The
Dunbar
application
of
certificate
for
appropriate
appropriateness,
dated
September
13
2023
from
Alan
Stahl
Kilbourne
and
exhibit
he
Q
Affidavit
of
John
of
Jeff
Dalton,
also
exhibit.
Oh,
that's
all
in
there.
The
Affidavit
of
Jeff
Dalton
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
the
subject
property
by
all
members
except
I,
moved
at
this
commission
deny
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
that
the
application
is,
after
the
fact,
approval
request
to
replace
previously
approved,
paver
pool,
decking
and
metal
yeah.
B
E
B
E
W
C
Design
standards
for
the
following
reason:
the.
F
F
AD
W
From
the
Montford
design,
standards
site,
new
fences
or
walls
in
locations
that
are
compatible
with
the
traditional
historic
relationship,
offenses
and
walls
to
the
historic
properties
in
the
district
found
on
page
is
3637
in
the
Montford
historic.
The
design
review
guidelines
for
the
Montford
historic
district
probably
should
refer
to
the
landscape
standard
YouTube
that
reads,
in
addition
to
the
one
for
walls
on
page
41,
the
standard
for
new
landscape
structures
should
be
compatible
with
historic
neighborhood
of
material
at
scale.
W
As
stated
by
staff
number
five,
the
action
wait,
did
you
say
something
about
the
material
of
the
wall
or
just
the
siding.
I
think
you
need
to
say
something
about
the
well
I.
Guess
it's
just
it's
just
as
exciting
I
guess
yeah,
okay,
number
five
and
it
wasn't
an
argument
that
at
some
point
something
called
the
defense,
but
it's
not
a
fence.
That's
because
fences
are
made
of
whatever
you
can.
W
W
AA
AA
Do
I
have
a
second
to
approve
that
second
pollen?
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
split
this
up
so
all
in
favor
of
the
pool,
decking
Paving
all
approved
any
opposed
based
upon
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
therein.
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
without
exception
for
the
pool
decking
second
exception.
AA
I
Certificate
of
appropriation
appropriateness
for
the
brick
wall
surround
after
the
fact
installation
of
the
brick.
After
the
fact,
installation
of
a
brick
wall
surrounding
a
swimming
pool
are
not
congruous
with
the
specialist
or
character
of
them
offered
historic
district.
I
I
I
Yes,
okay,
so
this
application
is
for
sewer
line.
Improvement
that's
been
in.
K
The
works
for
the
Albemarle
Park
historic
district
for
some
time
now.
K
This
is
just
you
know.
You
probably
want
to
pull
up
your
plans
if
your
computer
hasn't
if
your
Chromebook
hasn't
died,
yet
to
look
at
the
plans
in
more
detail
if
you
haven't
already,
but
it's
a
pretty
straightforward
request,
there's
a
section
of
there's
going
to
be
approved.
Sewer
line
going
from
Charlotte
Street
up
Cherokee,
Road
and
most
of
it
is
on
private
property
and
will
be
most
of
the
work
will
be
underground
and
not
affect
any
ground
level
surfaces.
K
With
the
exception
of
some
areas
that
include
like
a
gravel
driveway
where
it
will
be,
you
know
resurfaced
and
then
there's
a
little
area
that
once
it
gets
up
close
to
to
the
road
on
the
Far
Eastern
section
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
that
plan,
then
it
get
there's
like
an
area
of
of
ground
that
will
be
disturbed
but
then
will
be
restored
and
then
where
there
will
also
be
some
new
manholes,
but
all
the
new
manholes
will
be
flush
with
the
ground.
K
Most
of
this
is
again
they're,
they're,
doing
pipe
bursting
and
then
trenching,
so
as
to
not
disturb
any
of
the
above
ground
features.
The
reason
why
we
brought
this
to
the
commission
as
major
work
is
because
in
the
past
there
has
been
some
discussion
around
the
road
resurfacing
in
this
neighborhood.
G
Z
K
What
McAdam
was
what
you
know
very
technologically
advanced
then,
but
is
that?
Does
that
material
actually
true
to
the
historic
character?
Being
that
really
we
don't
have
what
McAdam
was
then
probably
the
closest
thing
we
think?
Maybe
we
have-
and
we
still
don't
know,
but
maybe
chip
seal,
but
then
that's
also
a
lower
quality
road
service
that
to
what
from
what
I
understand
from
our
Public
Works
staff
does
have
to
be
resurfaced
more
frequently
than
asphalt.
There
are
some
section
of
roadway
in
the
it's
like
in
down
where
the
Gatehouse
is
there's
some
brick.
K
That's
underneath
the
the
asphalt
that
we
know
that
the
neighborhood
would
like
to
restore
at
some
part,
some
point,
but
that's
not
being
impacted
as
part
of
this.
It's
just
the
section
of
a
roadway
on
the
very
far
right
of
the
drawing
on
the
bottom.
That's
going
to
have
asphalt
resurfacing,
so
we
just
brought
brought
it
to
the
commission.
Since
that
you
know,
that's
happened.
That
communication
around
the
road
resurfacing
has
happened
at
the
neighborhood
level.
At
this
point.
In
staff's
opinion,
it's
a
repair
versus
a
wholesale.
K
It's
not
as
if
our
public
works
department
is
going
to
repave
the
entire
Road.
As
part
of
this.
It's
really
just
this
one
section,
and
so
obviously
it
would
look
really
weird
if
there
were
some
other
material
there,
but
also
we
agreed
internally
that
it
would
probably
make
more
sense
to
talk
about
that.
K
When
Public
Works
is
proposing
a
wholesale
Road
resurfacing
project
in
the
neighborhood,
then
we
could
revisit
the
conversation
with
the
entire
neighborhood
in
terms
of
what
the
consensus
is
around
the
the
Whatever
Gets
paved
there
in
the
future,
so
I'm,
not
noting
any
concerns
but
wanted
to
address
that.
Since
you
know
it's
kind
of,
it
affects
many
properties,
especially
the
conversation
around.
What
the
long-term
Paving.
B
K
Three
days
later,
my
turn
and
you've
been
sworn
in.
I
hope
that
won't
take
you
that
long
or
take
me
that
long
have
you
been
sworn
in?
Yes,
okay,
good,
oh
good
evening,
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Darren
Prosser
I've
been
sworn
in.
I
work
with
MSD
as
an
engineer
and
I'm.
K
For
this
project
in
Cherokee,
Road
just
want
to
give
you
a
quick
history
about
it,
and
these
pipes,
I'm
thinking
part
of
the
Swale
Maps,
were
installed
early
1900s.
It
could
have
been
installed
sooner
than
that.
So
I
mean
we're
talking
over
100
years
old.
Now
they
are
six
inch
and
eight
inch
clay
pipes.
K
Two
three
foot
section
pipes,
the
clay
pipe
is
for
its
age
is
relatively
in
good
condition.
The
issue
is
it's
undersized
per
the
state.
We
are
not
allowed
to
have
six
inch
pipes
anymore,
serving
more
than
one
or
two
houses,
so
it
has
to
be
upsized
to
eight
inch,
and
this
area
actually
is
kind
of
like
a
valley,
IT
services,
the
manner
the
rest
of.
K
Over
there,
all
along
Cherokee
Road
up
the
hill
from
Cherokee
Road
and
the
south
side
of
Cherokee
Road.
So
it's
serving
quite
a
big
area
and
it's
only
a
six
inch
pipe
and
we've
had
several
ssos,
which
is
a
sewer
overflow
and
the
most
recent
one
was
I.
Think
just
before
I
gave
a
presentation,
everybody
I
think
it
was
January
of
22.,
so
I
mean
it's
a
constant
issue.
K
C
K
Have
to
go
down
put
the
new
alignment
around
the
house
and
as
well
we're
digging
so
then
pipe
bursting
is
in
the
areas
where
it'll
start
is
where
we
are
digging
already
and
pipe
bursting
is
a
minimum
disturbance
to
the
surface.
It
is
a
Pneumatic
head
with
air
pressure
and
it
bursts
the
existing
pipe
away
and
it
drags
in
another
pipe
so
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
structures
that
are
within
this
area
that
we're
trying
to
avoid.
K
So
we
we
did
pipe
bursting
a
long,
Cherokee
Road,
where
the
Swale,
those
historic
swales,
are
to
avoid
running
into
them
and
we're
not
getting
into
any
historic
trees.
K
We
are,
however,
removing
I
think
three
trees,
two
smaller
ones
on
the
Albemarle
Manor
property
and
that's
pretty
much
the
only
place
we're
cutting
open
per
our
easement
requirements.
Now
you
are
not
a
lot.
We
are
not
allowed
to
allow
trees
to
grow
because
of
the
deep
root
system,
these
roots
get
into
the
sewer
line,
and
that's
what.
K
K
E
K
Do
you
solemnly
swear
or
a
form
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
preliminary
subdivision
approval
before
the
historic
Resources
Commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
I
do
okay!
Jackson.
Could
you
turn
this
on.
E
My
name
is
Will
hornaday
I
Am,
the
President
of
Albemarle,
Park,
Manor
grounds,
Association
and
and
I'm
in
huge
support
of
this
event.
W
It's
Magic
so
because
there
is
sewage.
S
Neighborhood,
but
we
do
have
a
concern
about
the
road
surface
that
at
lower
than
50
degrees,
there's
not
going
to
be.
Can
you
put
asphalt
down
after
if
it
gets
colder
than
50
degrees,
could
be
a
question
to
ask
the
applicant
because
oops
so
that's
true
when
it
gets
below
and
I,
don't
know
exactly
when
the
degrees
are,
but
when
it
does
get
below
the
asphalt
plants
actually
shut
down,
they
will
shut
down
November
if
it
gets
cold
by
then
November
to
maybe
January
February,
and
then
they
start
making
asphalt
again.
S
But
what
we'll
do
is
the
allow
binders
still,
which
is
an
asphalt
material,
that
we
will
bring
it
up
to
the
surface
and
we
will
end
up
Milling
it.
So
everything
will
be
brought
to
the
service
there
shouldn't
be
any
saddling
or
anything
curb
to
curb
like
so.
The
the
binder
will
just
be
in
the
trench
that
we're
digging
up.
So
the
whole
project
was
curved
to
curb.
It
is
when
we
resurfaced.
So
what
will
happen?
I
I
W
I
W
S
S
W
K
Okay,
so
that's
not
part
of
the
easement
agreement,
for
anybody.
I,
don't
think
is
that
the
plants
yeah
I'm
talking
about
the
sex
right,
that's
part
of
what
were
the
contributing
today
right
and
it
was
my
understanding
that
the
easement
agreements
were
all
in
place
so
that
we
don't
have
a
landscape
plan,
because
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
with
that
wall,
they're,
driving
trucks,
down
that
hill
to
shh.
Y
We'll
talk
in
a
minute
but
to
shoot
the
line
underground.
Z
I
Don't
think
that
there's
enough
information
for
the
commission,
if
that's
your
opinion,
because
we
don't
have
any
information
about
what's
happening
outside
of
the
easement
I'd
like
to
hear
from
Mr
Prosser
about
that
first
and
also
about
how
that
how
to
handle
the
curbs,
because.
C
G
I
S
B
B
So
that's
what
my
question
is
is
about
that
about
the
curbs
and
about
the
material
for
the.
B
Losing
my
mind,
the
non-conforming
asphalt
IES
exactly
sorry.
Thank
you.
Okay,
back
to
public
comments,.
C
S
I
I
I
I
have
a
follow-up
question
so
as
part
of
this
application,
the
land
that
it's
covering
includes
these
easement
areas.
So
is
that
right
correct?
So
what
that
work,
you're
asking
for
approval,
whether
it's
removing
trees,
changing
whatever
that's
being
done
within
the
easement
area.
That's
part
of
this
application,
that's
your
responsibility
as.
S
I
I
S
Misunderstood
that
we
have
easement
agreements
throughout
every
property,
some
of
them
come
with
special
Provisions
asking
for
okay,
yeah,
okay,
yeah,
okay,
I
got
that
so
wait
can
I.
Ask
you
a
question,
then
yeah.
So
is
it?
So
why
is
there
then,
according
to
what
Will's
saying?
Is
there
not
a
special
provision
for
some
reason
that
that
hit
whatever
is
affecting
above
ground
surface
level
up
his
property
is
different
than
the
other
ones
that
didn't
happen.
He
should
I
think
he
has
one
also
and
I
may
let
me
look
through
mine,
I.
K
I
I
K
S
B
And
those
special
Provisions
need
to
meet
are
certificate
of
appropriate
standards
as
well.
So
if
they
asked
you
to
do
something,
part
of
this
review
is.
Does
that
offer
yeah
I?
Think
the
I
think
the
main
thing
was
just
to
replace
a
tree
one
for
one
and
when
Alex
gives
me
that
list
I'm
going
to
tell
the
property
owners?
This
is
what
you
get
to
choose
from
so
ask
another.
S
Z
U
U
B
E
F
E
S
As
Native
Stone.
S
S
S
K
Hearing
asphalt,
asphalt,
asphalt
and
we
we,
as
a
district,
worked
with
HRC
and
the
membership
Evermore
Park
Meadow
grounds
Association,
to
create
the.
S
Standards
for
the
district
and
work
in
collaboration
with
the
HRC
and
some
of
us
have
been
on
the
HRC
board
commission
and
some
of
us
have
been
chair
in
time
and
I'm.
Looking
at
the
landscape
standards
that
we
adopted
and,
for
instance,
we're
talking
about
the
asphalt
here,
it's
his
new
curve
should
not
only
should
only
be
introduced
when
warranted
by
erosion
and
should
be
of
a
native
Stone.
Some
curbs
are
defined
by
Split
Top
granite
in
many
parts
of
the
city
in
Albemarle
Park.
S
And
we've
done
a
lot
of
research
about
having
chip
seal
on
the
roads
and
I
know
we're
talking
about.
S
S
Type
of
aggregate
and
has
photographs
in
the
guidelines
or
standards
and
I'm
just
wondering
this
seems
like
a
huge
opportunity
to
start
to
honor
that
part
of
the
guidelines
on
my
house
is
in
the
big
part
of
the
road.
That's
where.
S
E
Extreme
disrepair
and
I
I
sort.
C
B
Of
it
and
I'm
wondering.
I
The
the
MSD
has
been
very
good
in
coming
to
us,
each
of
us
and
working
with
us
on
our
properties
about
because
they're
coming
through
parts
of
two
properties
of
mine
about
you,
know,
they're
being
very
respectful
about
inventory
and
what
they're
going
to
replace
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
that
part
I
I
appreciate.
I
But
the
chip
seal
is
we're
not
Reinventing
the
wheel
or
the
chip
seal
is
concerned
because
they're
doing
it
in
different
parts,
all
throughout
Buncombe
County.
There
are
lots
of
places
in
the
area
we've
done.
A
lot
of
research
will
has
it
and
with
the
city
about
what's
being
done
where
and
how
they're
doing
it
and
the
process-
and
this
is
something
that
that
is,
we
don't.
I
We
don't
have
to
find
out
how
how
to
do
it
or
how
it
works
and
and
I
just
feel,
like
I'd
like
to
see
the
Precedence
set
that
we're
honoring
this
aspect
of
our
standards.
Finally,
after
all
these
years,
I've
been
here
for
24
years
and
if
not
now
when
and
as
I
say,
it
goes
beyond
what
MSD
is
doing
there
more
could
be
done
throughout
so
I'm
just
asking
to
consider
that,
because
it's
it's
a
unique
special
neighborhood
we've
worked
hard
for
years.
I
The
preservation
Society
in
the
neighborhood
worked
hard
to
save
the
manner
and,
and
we
put
up
the
Locust
posts
and
replicated
the
street.
We've
worked
as
a
neighborhood
in
collaboration
with
with
HRC
and
and
neighbors,
and
worked
very
hard
to
to
restore
it,
and
we
were
hoping
that
the
bricks
whales
will
be
uncovered
and
respected,
and
the
brick
around
the
manner
with
a
unique
bricks
for
the
horses
and
the
carriages
that
took
care
of
that
space,
that
all
of
these
things
come
back,
but
I
just
I've.
I
It
feels
like
it
feels
like
this
commission
could
be
instrumental
in
this
unique
opportunity
to
to
start
to
prepare
the
the
stand.
You
know
come
into
compliance
with
the
standards
with
the
roads.
I
So
all
right,
that's
it!
Thank
you.
I
I
Universal
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
that
they're
kind
of
we
can't
just
go
and
say:
hey
public
works.
Unfortunately,
that's
not
how
things
work.
So
my
position
and
saying
it's
a
repair
is
not
meant
to
reply
that
I.
Don't
think
that
we
need
to
thoughtful
about
how
the
road
roads
are
resurfaced
over
time,
but
I
do
think
that
this
is
not
the
whole
Road
and
so
and
we
also
haven't
our
Public
Works,
doesn't
use
chip
seal
and
so.
I
With
using
and
maintaining
bigger
thing,
a
g,
we
know
from
other
people
in
the
neighborhood
that
do
not
agree
that
chip
seals
should
be
in
a
broken
surface
and
so
I
think.
That's
a
bigger
question
to
really
ask
which
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity.
B
To
do
to
go,
engage
the
whole
neighborhood
so
and
I
should
say
too
that
not
property
or
notifications
for
major
work
projects
are
only
for
projects
that
are
affected
and
immediately
adjacent.
So
that
doesn't
mean
that
everyone
in
the
district
knows
that
this
application
is
for
you
all,
so
it
may
not.
They
may
not
know
that.
There's
a
public
comment
that
could
impact.
Z
I
I
E
Know
my
my
thoughts
around
this,
but
you
know
or
or
you
could
say
that
because
there's
such
short
sections
of
curve,
maybe
it's
fine
to
replace
them
as
they
go
if
they
damage
some.
You
know
and
because
I
think
the
other
sections
I
don't
know
I'm
sure
Scott
I,
don't
know
if
it
can
speak
better
to
this,
but
I
don't.
E
AB
Of
the
current
with
curbing,
there
is
some
Stone
curbing
going
along
the
road
that
are
individual
stones
and
and
then,
of
course,
the
Spells.
We
want
to
finish.
Uncovering
them,
one
I'm,
not
saying
NSD,
but
when
the
city
comes
in
and
reasphalts
the
roads
there's
something
in
their
brain
to
just
push
everything
as
far
to
either
side.
AD
AB
Far
away
and
I
said,
leave
this
part
because
the
water
coming
down
the
mountain
goes
to
that
pipe
over
there
in
this
Swale
and
like,
and
then
he
listened
to
me
and
then
he
got
in
and
he
pushed
all
the
asphalt
into
the
swell
and
then
I
had
I
was
you
know,
digging
it
out
and
then
I've
seen
putting
asphalt
on
Sunset
and
then
any
any
that
piles
up.
They
just
push
it
down.
AB
AB
AB
G
AB
Particular
I
guess
part
of
what
we
have
to
do
is
trust
that
the
applicant
says
they're
going
to
do
whatever
work
they're
going
to
do
with
as
much
caution
sure
care
as
possible,
but
I'll
lead
to
the
commission.
What
you
all
want
to
do,
curving,
I,
don't
see
it
or
the
paving
for
that
matter.
I
don't
see
them
as
them
as
seeing
them
as
they're
saying
they're
going
to
try
to
avoid
the
curving.
AB
G
AB
H
S
AB
The
country
so
I
have
just
repaid
them.
It's
already
breaking
up
on
either
side.
It
does
its
kind
of
look
less
intrusive
that
asphalt
the
dark
black
asphalt,
but
but
anyways
just
saying
through
things
right
and
we
we
worked
on
that
a
few
years
ago
with
the
city.
So
we
had
a
lot
of
information
with
the
city
to
work
with
us
and
we
had
a.
G
AB
H
S
S
You
know
you
know
I'm
still
a
little
bit,
they
have
their
system,
but
I'm
not
privy
to
the
inner
working
for
that,
but
that
that
can
come
to
the
neighborhood
and
say
hey
neighborhood,
let's
meet
with
you.
Let's
all
get
on
the
same.
AB
S
Think
we
said
they
were
a
payment
chips
deal.
If
that's
you
know
what
the
commission
appropriate
for
this
section,
but
again
I
think
we
still
have
some
unanswered
questions
with
Public
Works
to
talk
through
in
terms
of
the
specs
for
whatever
there
are
also
unanswered
questions
with
the
larger
in
the
larger
context
of
the
district
as
to
whether
everyone
thinks
that's
what
should
happen
throughout
the
neighborhood.
Z
J
B
Break
a
two
foot
section
of
it
and
they
that's
right
still
a
bag
I
mean
if
you're
going
to
pave
that
section
and
you
can
put
the
stove
through
wherever
there's
curve
there.
Now
that's
asphalt
nice
and
someone
with
that.
I
don't
know
if
we
can
require
that
because
if,
if
nothing
was
going
to
happen
there,
we
can't
just
go
to
a
public
Public
Works
to
take
an
thing
up
and
put
Stone
down
so
began
to
start
scope,
creeping
for.
C
AB
B
B
B
G
B
B
I
G
Right
where
the
yeah.
AB
I
S
Binder
but
it's
it's
asphalt
material,
but
the
plants
will
produce
that
during
the
winter
time
and
it
brings
up
a
solid
surface
to
or
a
solid
material
up
to
the
surface.
So
it'll
be
level
with
the
rest
of
the
road
and
then
it
will
be
resurfaced
at
a
later
date
with
a
material
that
can
be
determined
whether
it's
Chip
seal
or
asphalt.
Correct.
Okay,.
C
Z
I
I
AB
I
T
And
project
description,
five
pages
exhibit
B
site
plan,
six
pages,
Exhibit
C
easement
documents,
12
Pages,
exhibit
D
historic
district
Maps,
two
pages
exhibit
e
aerial
map
exhibit
F
project
vicinity
map
exhibit
G
tree
removal
documents.
Five
pages
exhibit
H
tree
removal,
site
plan
received
September,
8th
2023,
no
other
exhibits
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members
except
I,
move
that
this
commission
approve.
C
C
T
T
T
AB
AB
Z
AA
Before
work,
May
commence
number
two:
the
design
standards
for
trees
found
on
page
22,
roads
and
paths
on
page
28,
driveways
and
parking
on
page
30
and
public
utilities.
On
page
43
of
the
Albemarle
Park
historic
district
landscape
design
standards
adopted
July,
8
2015
were
used
to
evaluate
this
project.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
sewer
line
improvements
will
have
minimal
above
ground
above
grade
disturbance
and
visual
impact
on
the
landscape.
All
impacted
above
ground
surfaces
will
be
repaired,
with
matching
materials,
trees
being.
I
Z
AB
AB
Appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions
and
damage
to
existing
asphalt
curbing
along
the
area
of
improvements
will
be
reviewed
with
to
say
any
existing
asphalt,
curving
occurs.
Staff
will
be
notified
to
determine
next
steps
on
replacement,
or
you
can
say
before,
as
stated
I
guess,
I
don't
want
to
make
them
come
back
to
you.
If
you
feel
like
there's
some
determination
you
could
make
on
a
threshold.
AB
I
B
AB
E
AB
AB
And
Cullowhee
Street
the
application
is
to
install
some
new.
E
I
I
Something
like
that
anyways
brain
fatigue,
but
it
was
interesting
because
it
kind
of
it
did
give
a
span
of
time,
which
was
much
later
than
I
kind
of
thought
that
they,
that
you
know,
materials
like
steel
started
to
be
used
for
garage
doors,
which
was
more
like
the
latter
half
of
the
20th
century,
so
I
the
standard
we've
never
had
an
application
for
accessory
structure.
I
That
was
missing
garage
doors
entirely,
so
you
know
we're
usually
talking
about
pedestrian
doors
and
on
historic
structures
that
they've
always
been
required
to
be
wood,
and
so
the
the
standards
for
accessory
structures
read
pretty
much
the
same,
and
so
that's
the
thing
I've
noted
in
my
staff
report
is
that
the
proposed
door
material
is
steel
and
not
wood.
I
There
are
readily
available
wood
garage
doors
and
so
I've
related
that
to
the
applicant
and
I
will
don't
think.
This
is
a
very
complicated
request
other
than
what
the
commission
thinks
about
the
material
and
so
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
too
talk
to
you
all
about
her
choice
for
the
doors.
If
that's
okay,
thank
you.
I
I'm
excited
I'm,
finally
speaking
after
being
here
all
day,
but
you
were
still
really
bad
for
you
guys.
I
So
as
Alex
said,
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
too,
and
then
she
shared
an
article
with
me,
I'm
sorry,
oh
you've
been
sworn
in,
I
have
been
sworn
in
and
my
name
is
Carol
Cobble
and
I'm,
the
owner
of
211
Montford,
and
so
again
thank
you
to
the
commission
for
hearing
me
today.
I
So
I've
learned
a
lot
about
garage
doors
when
I
moved
there,
there
were
no
doors
and
a
builder
that
I've
had
come.
Look
at
the
place.
We
don't
think
there
was
ever
garage
doors,
but
we
don't
know
that
for
sure,
but
it
just
appears
there
hasn't
been
and
then
it
has
an
interesting.
It
has
the
dog
ears,
which
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
challenging
with
doors
as
well.
So
I
think
it's
exhibit
e
that
Alex
shared
and
she
did
some
great
research
and
I
think
it
is
important.
I
It
talks
about
that
wood
doors
were
used
later
and
I
think
in
the
70s.
I
Now,
before
it
was
put
up,
so
I
have
really
researched
it
and
I'll
go
to
the
section
in
just
a
minute.
But
I
think
this
was
a
really
good
article,
because
one
thing
that
I'm
trying
to
do
as
well
and
I
had
a
neighbor
that
was
here
with
me
earlier,
but
she
finally
had
to
leave
but
I.
I
Think
environmentally
looking
at
an
environmentally
friendly
solution
is
important
as
well
and
I
know
that
it
there's
certain
things
in
the
guidelines
with
solar
panels,
and
you
do
that
and
you
make
sure
they're
hidden
or
not
in
a
real,
visible
place.
So
in
this
article
it
talks
about
that.
The
now
the
steel
garage
doors
dominate
the
industry,
and
this
is
the
type
of
steel
door
I'm
looking
to
propose
it's
one
that
looks
just
like
wood,
so
they
make
them
now
in
a
Carriage,
House
store.
I
That
looks
just
like
wood
and
it
talks
about
it
in
this
history.
The
look
of
wood
combined
with
the
durability
of
Steel.
Today,
the
old
is
becoming
new
again
and
it
talks
about
the
carriage
house
style
of
making
a
comeback,
and
then
it
goes
on
to
say-
and
you
all
have
this
in
exhibiti
since
1921
garage
doors
have
seen
massive
improvements
in
advancements.
They
are
safer
thanks
to
the
sensors
and
all
of
that
from
coming
down
and
hurting
someone,
but
they're
tougher
because
of
the
materials
like
steel,
aluminum
and
Composites.
I
I
I
This
has
little
windows
at
the
top,
so
it
wouldn't
have
that,
but
the
garage
door
and
it's
it's
difficult
to
see.
There's
arches
in
there
and
I
can
pass
this
around.
That
will
work
with
my
dog
ears,
because
I
have
trouble
with
coming
up
to
make
the
design
work.
So
it
is
if
I
read
the
guidelines
and
I
go
to
page
instead
of
page
three
four,
it
talks
about
beer.
This
is
for
Carriage,
Houses
and
again
there's
nothing.
I
That
really
explains
when
you
don't
even
have
doors,
I
mean
there's
no
doors,
so
I'm
not
really
replacing
anything
that
I
know
of
so
I've
tried
to
really
do
the
spirit,
because
I
want
my
house
to
look
good.
However,
if
you
look
at
the
other
pictures,
I
submitted,
no
one
can
even
see
the
garage
doors
they're,
probably
at
least
20
yards
from
the
street
I
have
a
gate
that
Alex
approved
back
three
years
ago.
I
So
and
when
that
gate
there
is
closed,
you
cannot
even
see-
and
it's
in
one
of
those
pictures
so
but
I
can
see
it
so
I
want
it
to
look
good,
so
I
have
chosen
a
nice
Carriage
House
door
that
fits
with
the
era.
So
if
I
read
this,
it
says
original
styling
character,
Carriage
Houses.
Even
this
is
really
not
a
carriage
house,
it's
more
of
a
garage
and
other
accessory
structures.
I
Doors
original
style
should
be
maintained
and
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
do
and
then,
if
you
go
I
think
to
the
door
section
find
it
and
I
was
having
trouble
hearing
people
earlier
and
I'm
not
talking
to
the
microphone.
But
hopefully
y'all
can
hear
me
if
they
went
to
our
door
is
completely
missing,
replace
it
with
a
new
unit
based
on
available
documentation
of
the
original
I.
I
Like
a
barn,
so
there's
diagonal
and
I'm
just
doing
them
straight
up
so
and
any
of
you
think
about
it.
I
B
I
B
T
I
I
And
then
the
maintenance
is
outrageous,
I've
had
them
before
and
and
one
other
thing
if
I
get
one
morning.
These
are
insulated
as
well,
and
another
thing
is:
the
insulation
helps
protect
the
original
structure
when
you
insulate
it,
but
obviously
it
hadn't
had
doors
on
it
forever.
So.
I
C
I
E
T
C
C
T
G
B
D
T
Historic
buildings
and
saying
like
we're
only
going
to
require
wood.
T
B
B
C
T
But
you
guys
are
the
expert
I
mean
I.
I
literally
did
I
studied
this
right
and
left
and
I
googled
about
everything
under
the
sun
that
I
could
Google,
because
I
want
to
do
the
right
thing:
Alex,
if
there's,
if
it's
new
construction.
C
T
Run
into
this
particular
case
for
someone
mistake:
a
garage
door,
we've
run
into
places
where,
like
I,
think
of
a
great
example,
but
like
let's
say
your
house
was
built
in
1930
and
you
had
someone
had
put
a
bank
of
vinyl
windows
on
the
back
of
it.
If
you
Commission
in
the
past,
we
said,
then
they
have
to
be
wood
replacement
units
in
order
for
them
to
be
compatible.
They
would
then
be
would
if
it
were
in
historic
structure.
T
C
T
T
T
T
I
E
S
B
Been
Steel
and
again
I'm
not
trying
to
say
that
the
commission
couldn't
find
differing
opinion
here.
I'm
just
you
know,
I
like
to
say
we're.
T
T
Z
I
S
S
B
B
S
The
end
of
the
driveway,
that's
certainly
the
setting.
AA
B
T
H
B
B
T
And
in
nature
of
the
accessory
dwelling
and
the
time
period
when
I
was
built,
are
not
contributing
to
the
neighborhood
field
and
they
don't
align
with
the
intent
of
the
guidelines.
AA
AA
S
B
Z
S
S
That
as
this
but
I
would
say
these,
this
would
be
more
appropriate
to
put
in
and
out
then
take
it
out
and
I'll
say
it
number.
Three
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
the
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals
is
required
by
law
must
be
obtained
before
work.
May
commence
the
design
standards
for
Carriage,
Houses,
I'm,
sorry,
I
didn't
know
if
you
have
to
specify
the
door
that
she
said.
S
S
It's
in
the
description
I
sent
okay,
it
should
be
in
the
application.
It
was
the
model
number
in
the
color
and
everything
the
design
standards
for
Carriage,
Houses
garages
and
accessory
structures
on
pages
34
to
35
windows
and
doors,
on
pages
84
to
85
and
non-contributing
structures.
On
pages
68
to
69
of
the
Montford
historic
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
April
to
14,
2010
and
amended
December
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
S
S
S
B
E
AA
AA
Z
I
C
I
At
this
point,
we
can
do
this
setting
a
record
tonight,
maybe
all
right,
moving
on
101
Santee
Street.
This
application
is
to
give
some.
This
is
just
context
on
personal
map
on
the
left
on
the
bottom
right.
This
primary
structure
was
approved,
2021
I
believe,
and
it's
a
very
tight
lot.
You
probably
remember
this
one.
I
I
A
low
Boulder
retaining
wall
on
the
that
would
be
the
Southwest
portion
of
the
house
so,
like
the
house
is
facing
the
street.
Obviously
you
can
see
at
the
very
top
left
where
it
says
TNT,
so
that's
the
front
and
then
on
the
back
on
the
bottom
left
corner
of
the
house.
There
was
this
little
kind
of
very
moderate
little
wall
that
would
have
wrapped
that
corner.
However,
once
the
project
was
under
construction
and
they'd
done
all
the
grading,
it
turned
into
a
different
story,
and
so
they
needed
a
more
substantial
wall.
I
So
only
only
max
four
feet
would
be
visible
above
grade
of
that
portion,
and
there
would
be
another
wall
like
two
or
three
feet
out
in
front
of
the
taller
wall,
so
there
could
be
Landscaping
installed
and
then
it
was
supposed
to
be
faced
with
stucco,
as
you
can
see
from
the
photos
that
were
included,
that's
not
what
actually
got
built.
This
is
looking
at
the
front
of
the
house.
You
can
kind
of
see
the
wall
on
the
right
there.
T
I
C
I
I
That's
where
we
are
today,
they
are
the
the
architect
is
kindly
assisting
the
property
owner
with
this
application,
since
they
have
been
along
since
the
beginning,
so
yaku
Marcus,
the
architect,
is
here
with
us
today.
W
I
T
R
The
only
thing
I
think
that
this
wall
has
going
for
it
is
that
the
house
is
mostly
in
front
of
it,
but
otherwise
I
I
wouldn't
say
that
this
is
inappropriate
wall
material
for
mopford.
So
that
is
where
we
are
with
this
application
and,
as
we
just
got
finished
talking
about
walls.
R
I
would
assume
so
but
I'll
leave
that
to
the
to
yakub
to
talk
about
with
you
but
yeah,
so
they
could
do
a
stone,
veneer
or
break
veneer,
but
brick
walls,
you
know,
are
obviously
not
that
common
in
the
district,
even
for
even
brick,
retaining
walls
are
not
that
prolific
and
but
they
are
allowed
for
the
steam.
R
Well,
if
there's
a
goal
of
finding
a
solution
that
lets
that
be
the
backup
for
something
it's
a
little
I,
don't
know
how
the
constructability
of
that
works,
to
put
like
a
some
kind
of
a
masonry
veneer
on
top
of
it,
I
think
you're
more
likely
to
get
a
better
outcome
with
a
sort
of
a
thick
set,
stucco
kind
of
condition.
In
that
case,
yeah
right
I,
don't
know.
R
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you.
Okay,
I'm,
sorry,
I
I
think
I
missed
so
this
was
submitted
and
then
they
built
something
that
was
not
approved
right.
What
they
built
was
out
of
compliance
with
what
the
approval
was
in
response
to
differing
site
conditions.
Then,
where
we
anticipated
I
think
the
site
conditions
were
still
the
same.
It's
just
that
when
they
got
into
the
grading
right,
they
realized
yeah.
It
wasn't.
The
grading
didn't
quite
work.
The
way
we
thought
it
was
going
to
work.
Yeah
exactly
I
made
the
cut
they're
taller
exactly.
R
Original
material,
it
was
like
a
stacked,
Boulder
wall
because
it
was
low
enough
to
not
need
engineered
plans,
and
all
of
that
so
presumably
this
would
have
been
engineered.
Yes,
this
required
I,
don't
think
that
I
don't
know
that
they
I
can't.
Remember.
It's
been
so
long
that
this
one's
been
in
our
permitting
system.
I,
don't
know
whether
they
have
applied
for
the
engineer
permit
set
yet
but
I
know.
Yakub
has
been
looped
into
that,
so
he
can
answer
that
question.
R
Why
are
we
not
looking
at
this,
like
we
did
with
the
pool
brick
wall
like
the
same
non.
You
know
not
approved
it's
not
different.
It's
an
after
the
fact
request.
It's
just
that
they
got
approved
to
build
a
version
of
a
wall.
So
I
was
just
giving
you
kind
of
the
the
timeline
two
versions
of
a
wall,
and
then
they
built
something
that
was
not
in
compliance
with
either
of
those
things
so
it'd
be
the
same
as
same
consideration
is
what
they
did
in
compliance.
Congruence,
right
and
I
would
say
this
one.
R
This
one
is
about
materials,
I,
don't
think
the
siding
of
this
wall
is
inappropriate
and
you
know,
as
we've
heard,
you
know,
a
lot
of
testimony.
Retaining
walls
are
more
common
in
Montfort,
right
and
and
the
remaining
Lots
in
this
District
to
be
sure
most
of
them
have
pretty
crummy
topography
that
are
just
resulting
in
the
reason
there
was
no
house
on
it
already
yep.
R
R
That's
how
it
printed
okay,
yes,
I,
think
Alex
gave
a
pretty
good
summary
of
what
has
happened.
Maybe
a
small
correction
I
think
the
original
certificate
of
appropriateness
actually
called
for
a
wall
that
was
CMU
with
with
the
with
the
sound
veneer
I,
don't
think,
we've
ever
had
the
the
boulder
wall
as
an
option
so
and
I
think
what
happened.
I
wasn't
part
of
decision
making.
I
wasn't
consulted,
you
know
by
the
Builder.
R
Hence
we
have
the
situation
here,
but
I
think
their
thinking
was
that
maybe
that
very
block
wall
looks
close
to
what
a
CME
well
would
look
like
with
the
rug
veneer
they
kind
of.
Obviously,
you
know
should
have
talked
to
me
before
that
and
I
would
probably
steer
them
away
from
it.
But
here
we
are.
We
have
this
wall
in
in
place
and
I
guess
what
we're
proposing
is
in
I
guess
we're
trying
to
do
is
I
guess
to
to
do
it
in
a
cost-effective
way.
R
R
That's
that's
that's
more
consistent
with
the
Ceramics
are
and
I
guess
the
main
issue,
with
the
with
the
very
blog,
that
is
that
it
appears
modular
appears
like
it's
a
pre-manufactured,
but
if
we
were
to
grow
out
the
the
joints
which
are
deep
and
you
know
I,
guess
we
if
we
just
fill
them
in
with
with
grout
and
also
apply
some
kind
of
a
stain
to
to
color
it
in
a
more
natural
way.
R
This
and
combined
with
you,
know
some
planting
that
could
hide
a
good
portion
of
it.
You
know
that
the
hope
is
that
it's
it's
going
to
look
more
consistent
with
the
with
the
guidelines
and
the
surroundings.
R
R
It
would
obviously
be
expensive,
but
it's
an
option
would
chipping
away
the
the
face
of
the
very
Block
in
any
way
compromise
its
structural
stability
I.
Don't
think
so.
No,
okay,
no
yeah!
The
the
blog
itself
has
a
pretty
good
thickness.
I
mean
the
good
the
the
advantage
of
the
system
it
is,
it
is
gravity
based,
it's
heavy.
It's
really!
It's
not
going
anywhere.
That's
that's
it's
it's!
It's!
It's
compared
to
a
CMO,
CMU
wall,
it
much
less
from
the
Baler,
okay,
I
would
say
and
yeah
it
is.
R
It
is
engineer
as
it
is
installed.
I
think
the
the
Builder
has
even
submitted
the
I
think
this
has
submitted
engineer
drawings.
Let's
see
for
that,
so
I
would
say
that
structurally,
this
is
a
better
world
than
a
CMU
world,
but
yeah.
R
R
You'll
find
a
lot
of
pictures
online
and
I
think
that
the
there's
products
that
are
kind
of
designed
for
that
and
I
think
they
I
guess
the
the
idea
is
that
it's
not
a
solid
color.
That
is
actually
a
stain
that
it
it's
supposed
to
emulate
a
natural
drug.
Look
because
I've
seen
like
formed
concrete
walls
that
are,
you
know
painted,
and
if
they're
you
know,
if
it's
it's
either
an
integral
color
in
the
in
the
concrete
or
it's
a
coating.
That's
applied
later.
R
If
it's
done
in
a
single
color,
it
looks
just
as
bad,
no
matter
what
the
color
is,
but
if
there
is
some
variation
in
the
color
that
it
is
more
likely
to
emulate
a
natural
rock,
yes,
I
mean
it
is
gonna.
It
would
be
a
stain
as
opposed
to
pain
which
the
pain
covers.
You
know
it's
a
layer
that
covers
it's
an
application
technique
that
might
vary
the
saturation
too.
Yes,.
R
It
will
seep
sips
yeah
into
the
the
concrete
itself,
so
we
find
ourselves
back
on
page
37
of
the
Montford
standards.
Item
number
five
says:
walls
may
be
stone,
brick
or
concrete.
R
All
materials
must
be
finished,
non-traditional
materials
will
be
considered
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
so,
if
I
can
make
a
comment
about
it
is
is
because
it
doesn't
clearly
State
whether
the
rock
can
be
a
cultured
look.
A
cultured
product,
like
a
you
know,
like
a
fall
rug,
There's,
no
distinction
in
the
guidelines
as
far
as
I
can
tell
technically.
This
is
it
is.
It
is
concrete
and
at
the
same
time
it's
a
rock
imitation,
so
Rocky
mutation
traditionally
concrete.
R
Just
to
you
know,
go
as
far
away
from
Pure
as
just
like
it
possibly
get
well
from
here.
Yeah
I
have
done
it
I
mean
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
the
proposed
improvements
to
the
wall
I
think
move
it
in
a
better,
better
direction.
If
you,
you
don't
think
so,
Alex
grouting,
the
joints
I
think
probably
goes
farther
than
anything.
I
agree
with
that.
I
don't
agree
with
the
state.
R
I
think
that
the
gray
looks
more
like
this
Stone.
That's
typically
found
in
this
area
than
the
brown
first
I
can
think
of
one
wall
that
has
brownish
like
predominantly
Brown
in
the
district,
but
most
of
them
are
gray
or
blue.
Well,
you
know
the
historic
examples
would
have
been
weathered
at
this
point
to
where
it's
hard
to
tell
clearly
might
get
dirty
yeah,
but
none
of
them
are
like
brown
brown
right.
R
That's
a
pretty
strong
brown,
but
this
is
I
mean
a
stain
would
come
in
a
range
of
colors
if
we
thought
it
would
soften
the
concreteness.
Of
that
look,
I
mean
it
could
be
a
color
color
choice,
but
I
would
say
if
it
was
my
preference
I
I
would
probably
leave
it.
Also
unstain
I
think
it
has.
Enough
of
the
I,
mean
Fabio,
seen
the
the
pictures
or
included
in
the
application.
This
is
this
is
the
color
of
the
world
variety,
it's.
R
It
is,
and
I
think
that
I
think
that
with
time
it
you
know,
there's
going
to
be
some.
Obviously
some
weathering
happening
with
it.
So
it
will
continue
to
look
more
and
more
like,
like
actual
rock
over
time,
so
I
would
say,
I
would
agree
that
steny
is
probably
not
required,
although
we
could,
with
the
with
it
right
choice
of
color
or
lightness
of
it
it
would
it
would.
You
could
add,
to
the
to
the
natural
look
I
think
the
other
thing
like
I
was
saying
that
helps.
R
R
Another
fact
that
we
need
to
consider
is
the
very
dramatic
topography
and
that
a
structurally
sound
wall
is
necessary
and
if
voter
block
is
less
likely
to
fail
than
say
a
traditional
CMU,
that
the
engineering
of
the
site
warrants
a
material
like
this
I
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
not
gonna,
discount
that
but
I
don't
know
if
everybody
on
the
board
agrees
with
that.
R
R
Significantly
yeah
the
commission
approved
for
that
whole
wall
to
be
rebuilt,
and
that
was
like
like
way
taller
than
this
wall.
It's
like
20
feet
tall
in
some
sections
and
you
can
engineer
CMU
to
work
yeah,
so
I'm
just
saying
I'm,
not
saying
that's
I'm,
just
maybe
that's
not
bring
that
right
that
it
could
work
in
a
different.
Just
a
CMU
would
have
worked
here.
It
could
have
been
engineered
to
be
yes,
absolutely
absolutely
yeah
I
mean
the
chances
are
that
you
know.
R
Of
course
he
depends
on
the
installation
how
well
the
Builder
follows
the
challenge.
We
all
will
have
seen
a
lot
of
walls
in
that
are
leaning,
so
so
I
think
it's
a
way
less
likely
that
it's
going
to
happen
with
this
wall,
but
but
yeah
I've
seen
him
who
could
have
work
as
well
that
if,
if
I
was
consulted
with
the
decision,
I
would
steer
the
Builder
towards
to
CME
while
we're
pregnant.
But
why
weren't
you
there
Yahoo.
R
R
We
don't
allow
people
under
our
guidelines
to
put
the
wall
a
CMU
wall
back
not
very
visible
from
very
many
people,
and
this
is
visible
from
the
Stream,
because
that's
where
I
saw
it
when
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
visible,
I'm
just
saying
it's
not
highly
visible,
like
like
we've
done
that
for
others
for
other
people,
where
there's
a
cheaper
alternative
that
they
wanted
to
do,
but
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
follow
the
standards.
R
R
R
I
disagree
with
that
I
think
it's
on
a
property
boundary
and
it's
retaining
well
so
I
think
the
siding
of
the
wall
is
not
an
issue
material.
The
way
the
material
I
do
think
is
what,
if
it
came
to
us
in
the
original
way-
and
this
was
an
option
for
CMU
with
Benita,
we
would
have
said
it
right.
R
It
just
didn't
happen,
so
so
what
if
it
was
stuccoed,
it
would
probably
be
very
hard
to
make
it
make
it
into
a
a
very
smooth
straight
flat.
Surface
yeah,
I
think
it'd
be
easier
to
veneer.
It
would
be
easier,
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
what
the
conditions
are.
I
mean
I
know
that
it
is
a
pretty
tight
space
between
the
wall
and
the
house,
as
it
is
I
mean
you
can
probably
see
it
on
other
photos.
R
R
R
Yeah
you
know
like
with
everything
is
it's
a
costs
are
really
high
as
they
are.
It
was
probably
you
know
it's
nearly
impossible
to
build
a
house
these
days
because
of
the
cost,
and
so
I
can
sympathize
with
the
fact
that
the
hero
wanted
to
to
have
a
solution
that
will
be
affordable,
is
strong
and,
and
you
know,
and
it's
appropriate
for
the
size
that's
required.
R
Veneer,
of
course,
is
going
to
be
a
big
cost
for
him,
so
so
I'll
yeah
I
would
probably
try
to
avoid
it.
I
think
that
I
I,
can't
you
know
my
personal
opinion
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
better
would
the
result
be.
You
know
towards
the
end,
if
we,
if
we
had
that
Vineyard
applied
to
this
wall,
what
I
would
have
been?
R
You
know
much
better
than
you
know
worth
the
money
spent
I
mean
it's
in
in
terms
of
like
how
the
house
appears
from
the
street
and
in
the
character
of
it.
I
think
with
you
know,
with
the
modifications
I
think
we
could
do
a
lot
of
planting
and
you
maybe
even
building
some
smaller
Planters
along
the
base
of
it
out
of
natural
rock
with
planting,
could
be
something
like
that.
R
A
stucco
finish
that
and
see
if
that
works,
I
would
be
inclined
to
test
stuff,
like
the
two
things.
R
Something
that's
got
some
thickness
to
it.
Obviously.
Well
the
other
thing
I
think
they
should
test
is
sprouting
the
joints.
I
think
that
testing
the
grading
the
joints
has
already
been
done,
so
I
mean
it
has.
The
test
has
been
done
really
tested.
We
just
can't
see
it
yeah,
not
yet
because
the
at
the
time
of
the
application
we
didn't
have
it
done,
but
I
do
have
a
photo
with
me.
I
just
I
do
have
a
photo
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
put
it
up
here
or.
R
See
I
mean
I,
you
know,
there's
like
color
variety,
unless
I'm
just
looking
at
dirty
stuff,
there
I
think
I
think
that
the
grouting,
the
joints
with
the
with
planting
the
top
the
soften
the
edge
yeah,
is
like
I
think
two
solutions
that
I
think
covering
it
up.
R
I,
don't
think
you're
going
to
be
able
to
make
it
look.
Yeah,
you
don't
have
a
picture.
Is
it
steps
back?
If
you,
if
you
look
at
the
profile,
it
looks
like
it's
stepping
back
with,
like
every
two
courses,
I
mean.
How
are
you
gonna
do
that
with
stucco
yeah
or
manure,
your
veneer
is
going
to
it's
just
gonna
follow
the
same
Contour.
So
I
think
that
you
got
to
stop
in
the
top.
When
you
did
I
guess
it's
a
photoshopped
image
with
the
Juniper.
R
R
Question,
do
you
have
room
between
the
property
boundary
and
the
top
of
the
wall
to
plant
the
shrubs
I'm?
Pretty
sure
we
do.
You
know
you
know,
maybe
it
would
be
worth
trying
to
maybe
stretch
a
string,
go
on
the
property
line
and
see,
but
I
I
think
this
should
be
yeah.
It
looks
like
you're
showing
it
on
your
side
plans
if
you
have
space
like
you're,
sharing
the
shrubs
on
above
this,
but
I
just
want
to
make
just
want
to
ask
yeah.
It's
really
tight.
R
R
R
R
We
have
a
set
of
site
conditions
that
warrants
a
you
know
significant
amount
of
retaining,
so
it
has
just
this
small
section,
then
yeah.
Yes,
yes,
it's
a
small
small
area.
Only
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
like
a
better
photograph
of
a
larger
grouted
section
as
a
mock-up.
Is
it
too
much
effort
to
do
that?
Go?
Look
at
it.
I
think
that's
something
I
mean
this
looks
okay,
but
I
can't
really
tell
okay
well,
and
it
feels
worth
the
effort
before
we
go
through
a
significant
amount
of
hardship,
yeah.
R
You
know
four
foot
wide
mock-up
section
yeah
like
we
would
typically
do
yeah.
We
would
probably
have
done
it
by
now.
Except
you
know.
Keto
was
away
out
of
the
country
for
long
enough
that
he
was
not
able
to
do
a
decent.
You
know
amount
of
it,
but
but
yeah.
Definitely
that's
something
that
we
would
be
willing.
I
mean
he
would
I'm
pretty
sure
he
would
be
willing
to
do
expand
the
area
where
he's
done.
The
grouting
maybe
fill
the
grout
joints
a
little
bit
more.
You
work
with
the
builder
to
get
it.
R
Continue,
obviously,
that
wouldn't
make
sense
unless
you
thought
that
there
could
be
additional
work
done
to
the
wall
between
now
and
then
so
I
would
have
to
check
with
KIRO
whether
he
has
a
like
a
finished
date
that
he's
shooting
for
with
the
construction,
but
I
think
we
can
just
continue
to
the
next
meeting.
Yeah
to
the
next
meeting.
I
would
probably
probably
be
work
fine
for
him,
I
move.
We
continue
this
application
to
the
October
meeting.
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R
R
R
R
All
right
emphasis
on
that
part
all
right,
so
240
Pearson
drive.
This
is
also
an
previously
approved
project.
So
this
is
a
big.
Almost
one
acre
parcel
on
the
north
side
of
Montford,
the
so
William
H
Lord,
really
incredible
house.
R
Okay,
I'm
just
gonna,
try
to
continue
okay.
So
this
this
project
was
like
that
we
came
before
the
commission
as
like
a
whole
rehab
project
of
this
house
had
been
not
given
any
Chelsea
in
a
long
time
and
I
think
was
converted
into
a
different
like
like
family
group,
home
or
something.
R
Pictures
in
there
too,
because
I
asked
him
just
to
supply
some
some
up-to-date
photos,
so
you
all
could
see
the
some
of
the
renovation
work
as
part
of
a
previous
approval
there
and
there
were
a
handful
just
because
there
were
some
amendments
and
stuff
that
came
through,
but
they
also
got
approval
for
the
swimming
pool
that
you
see
on
the
site
plan
behind
the
house.
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R
And
same
with
that
section
that
you
saw
that's
to
the
north
of
the
pool
on
the
site
plan
that
maybe
is
going
to
come
back
up,
we'll
see
they
got
approval
for
that
additional
section
of
decking.
It's
just
that
the
ca
is
expired.
So
that's
thing,
one
thing
two
is
the
accessory
structure.
So
all
the
work
to
the
accessory
structure
got
approved
also
and.
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R
So
the
proposal
involves
to
this
elevation,
widening
the
door
opening
to
12
feet
and
installing
new
doors,
replacing
The
Pedestrian
door
with
a
custom
wood
door
and
then
adding
skylights
on
this
portion
of
roof.
This
is
the
East
Elevation.
R
Only
a
change
on
this
side
is
I'm.
Sorry,
they
want
to
reconstruct
the
shed
roof
overhang
on
the
front
elevation
as
well,
but
it's
a
little
bit
wider
than
what
was
previously
on
the
building,
as
you
could
see,
just
from
the
photo
and
from
the
Sanborn
map
shows
the
dashed
line
of
that
previous
shed
roof
existing
there.
R
R
This
is
I,
think
my
what
maybe
my
favorite
or
no
sorry
but
I
like
the
this
little
side.
Elevation
is
cool
because
encouraged
me
to
learn
a
little
bit
about
venting
in
old
barn
structures,
and
so
there's
the
three
little
things
on
the
bottom
are
vents
and
so
they're
proposing
to
add
make
those
kind
of
in
the
window
openings
just
add
a
window
below
them.
Take
out
the
barn
door
on
the
Second
Story
put
in
a
plate,
glass
window
planked
by
two
new
window
openings
that
would
have
the
six
over
one
windows
in
them.
R
Right
this
side
and
the
back
face
the
neighboring
property
neighbor,
pretty
so
they're
interior
to
block
you.
Can
you
can
kind
of
see
the
structure
from
the
street?
It's
set
pretty
far
back
off
the
street
I
did
not
in
my
staff
report
that
I
have
concerns
about
a
few
things,
and
because
these
are
all
things
that
I've
noted
in
my
staff
report.
The
last
time
around
the
commission
made
a
different
decision
about
the
door.
R
Opening
on
the
front
was
my
main
concern,
because
the
standards
are
pretty
clear
about
maintaining
you
know,
character,
defining
features
of
accessory
structures,
and
so
I
did
know
that
before
so,
it
started
off
as
like
16
feet
wide
being
proposed
and
it
shrank
eventually
down
to
12,
which
is
what
ultimately
got
approved
and
and
then
there
were
some
other
things
going
on
that
are
not
part
of
this
application,
but
it
basically
got
scaled
way
back
into
what
you're,
seeing
now
as
what
was
approved,
re-reviewed
exactly
yep.
R
R
R
R
Just
the
just
the
ones
that
are
on
the
front
facing
elevation
are
of
concern
to
me,
not
the
ones
on
the
North
side.
To
me,
that's
the
rear
elevation,
that's
facing
the
neighboring
lot,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
seeing
them.
I
mean
I
I,
just
to
me
that
it's
more
of
an
issue
of
the
character
defining
side
of
the
building
where
they're
proposed
but
yeah,
but
it
did
come
a
long
way.
R
R
R
But
then
also
all
your
stuff
pulled
up
here,
yeah
I
found
a
contractor
I
liked
in
that
time.
Okay,
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
preliminary
subdivision
approval
before
the
historic
Resources
Commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
I,
do
okay
go
ahead.
R
I,
don't
really
have
too
much
more
to
say,
I!
Think
we're
here
to
answer
questions
as
for
me,
it's
just
a
resubmittal
of
something
that
was
approved
by
this
Commission
two
years
ago.
I'm
not
really
sure
what
else
I
can
add.
If
there's
any
other
questions,
you
guys
have
I'm
happy
about
and
I,
don't
think
you're
having
any
public
Thomas.
R
R
But
this
is
such
a
such
a
project
because
it
was
such
a
beautiful
property
and
I
just
needed.
So
much
love
and
it
looks
my
main
house-
yeah,
yeah,
well
and
I-
did
put
in
here
I
like
to
say
that
and
we
did
win
a
griffin
award
for
historic
preservations,
we're
hoping
to
do
the
Carriage
House
in
that
same
sentiment.
So
we
have
so
many
neighbors
who
are
very
thankful
for
that
house,
not
being
pink
and
overgrown
anymore.
R
If
you
look
at
the
pictures
of
the
old
house
so
here
for
any
questions,
you
guys
have
been
here
way
too
long
as
it
is,
and
I
don't
want.
R
R
So,
let's
talk
about
the
skylines
on
the
front:
how
can
the?
How
can
that
work
with
the
standards?
How
are
you
seeing
that
I've
I
would
have
to
go?
Look
at
the
old
minutes
for
our
meeting,
but,
as
you
remember,
we
had
originally
proposed
an
additional
Dormer
to
match
on
the
back.
That
was
not
to
last
all
the
way
it
had
some
glass
for
some
lighting
and
I.
Think.
With
the
discussions
of
this
commission,
we
came
back
and
had
the
skylights
approved.
R
R
Oh,
what
faces
the
street
really
is
this
one
right
that
faces
the
street
and
you
can
then
decide
with
the
Dormer
faces
the
bulk
of
your
yard
and
your
pool
exactly
that.
One
I
mean
if
you,
so,
if
you
look
at
the
real
picture
photographs
right,
if
you
want
to
see,
do
you
have
the
pictures,
I
sent,
yeah
I,
don't
know,
yeah,
don't
go
there.
Yeah.
R
There's
The
Old
Pink
House
in
case
you
I
mean
that's
the
view
from
Tacoma.
You
can
just
barely
see
the
roof
line
there
and
then
where's
the
other
one
from
the
street.
R
Oh
there,
it
is
so
that's
the
view
from
from
Pearson.
R
R
It's
a
pretty
big
deal
a
little
skylight
on
that
on
that
side,
the
back
is
fine,
changing
out
the
window
for
that
right,
wood
window,
the
Hang
window.
R
R
R
R
R
It's
funny
to
go
back
and
read
minutes
from
well
yeah.
That
makes
it
pretty.
That
makes
it
pretty
clear.
The
minutes
are
only
really
useful
in
that
and
that
the
commission
struggled
with
a
lot
of
stuff
and
then
this
is
where
they
landed.
Yeah
I
mean
and
I
know,
just
in
Reading
what
I
said
before
I
think
will
you
you
had
the
same
things
then
yeah
and
I
didn't
share.
Those
things
are
like
based
on
the
sort
of
history
of
the
work
that
was
done
to
sort
of
address.
R
R
I
mean
there
are
I,
can
understand
some
of
the
modifications
and
see
how
they
are
necessary
to
make
the
building
livable
by
usable
by
modern
by
current
standards,
the
hey
door,
changing
The
Pedestrian
door
to
a
window
that
I
have
a.
R
R
R
R
R
Madam
chair
I'm,
prepared
to
make
a
motion
based
on
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
the
application
and
project
description
of
three
pages,
exhibit
B
the
site
plan
and
elevation
drawings
of
eight
pages,
Exhibit
C
photos
of
subject
property.
Nine
photos
exhibit
D
photos
of
subject
property.
10
pages
received
September
6
2023
exhibit
e
arborist
letter
is
this
yeah
it
was
like.
Is
this
the
right?
One
exhibit
F
the
updated
arborist
letter
of
two
pages
received
September
1
2023
exhibit
G
the
window
and
Skylight
specs
and
windows
schedule.
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Two
over
two
double
hung:
wood
window
matching
the
existing
Windows
replace
existing
wood
door
on
the
west
elevation
with
new,
with
single
light
window
and
construct
two
new
openings
on
either
side
with
six
over
one
double
hung:
wood
windows
construct
three
new
openings
with
two
with
new
two
light:
wood
casement
windows
on
the
west,
elevation
install
five
velix
side
lights
on
the
roof.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
improved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
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Make
amends
the
design
standards
for
Carriage,
Houses
garages
and
accessory
structures
found
on
pages
34-35
windows
and
doors
on
pages
84
to
85
and
Landscaping
and
trees
found
on
pages
40
to
42
of
the
Montfort
historic
district
design.
Review
standards
adopted
on
April,
14,
2010
and
amended
December
9th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
The
architectural
features
are
in
care
that
are
character,
defining
elements
of
accessory
structures,
including
windows
and
doors,
are
being
retained
and
preserved.
R
R
All
right
all
right,
let's
go
sorry.
I'm
gonna
go
out
of
order
here,
Walton
Street,
Item
B.
This
is
the
national
register.
Nomination
already
gone
through
the
whole
Landmark
designation
process,
but
for
I,
don't
Claire
wasn't
here,
then
Walton,
Street,
Park
and
pool
are
located
at
the
very
south
end
of
the
South
Side
neighborhood,
and
the
national
register
nomination
was
submitted
to
the
shippo
earlier
this
year,
but
not
with
the
updated
information
about
the
Ballpark
and
the
basketball
courts
being
modified.
So
this
is
the
revised
version.
R
That's
listing
those
as
non-contributing,
based
on
the
fact
that
they
either
aren't
there
anymore
or
weren't
on
the
property.
To
start
with
well
or
like
the
basketball
court
has
now
been
moved
from
us.
So
this
is
just
you
just
need
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
shippo
on
this.
So
I
move.
We
recommend
approval
to
the
shippo
okay,
second,
I'll
approve
I,
any
opposed
motion
carries
okay,
great
and
then
the
Woolworth
Building.
This
is
just
a
very
preliminary
review.
We
don't
need
to
have
discussion
today
on
it
I.
Just
it's.
It's
awesome.
R
Maybe
we
should
try
for
that
on
another
day,
never
yeah,
but
so
that's
just
to
put
it
on
your
radar.
The
preliminary
application
is
in
there
it's
a
little
more
fleshed
out
than
some
of
our
preliminary
applications
that
we
get.
Usually
it's
like.
Here's
the
address
and
a
couple
of
sentences,
but
this
was
pretty
thorough
yeah.
This
one
was
more
thorough
than
that,
but
I
did
confirm
with
the
the
the
author
is
Clay
Griffith
and
it
is
not
meant
to
be
a
final
report.
R
R
It
was
offices
and
apartments
above
yeah
the
upstairs
used
to
be
like
store
room
and
office
space
for
employees
and
the
other
thing
I'm
going
to
bug
you
about
is
potentially
the
new
date
which
I
know
you
can't
make
and
I
know
you
can't
make
for
the
October
meeting.
I
know
you
can't
make.
So
what
is
the
new
date?
October
16th
is
the
executive
committee
yeah.
We
do
so
I'll
send
out
an
email
just
to
see
if
we
can
get
Quorum
for
that
date.
R
It's
a
Monday,
the
16th
I've
got
to
be
in
Durham
the
week.
It's
a
big
show.
I
was
gonna
drive
down
there
the
day
after
the
HRC
meeting.
Do
my
presentation
and
drive
back
and
Janice
convinced
me.
That
was
a
terrible
idea.
R
Well,
we'll
list
you
as
a
maybe
then
so
okay,
so
if
you
don't
have
Quorum
I
have
company
coming
yeah,
we'll
figure
it
out
if
it's.
If
we
can't
get
a
quorum
for
that
day,
that's
not
the
day,
so
we'll
we'll
figure
it
out
one
way
or
another,
but
anyways
just
putting
that
on
your
radar.
So
that
is
it
motion
to
adjourn
10
34.