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From YouTube: Design Review Committee – January 19, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Design Review Committee.
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A
Projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
districts.
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
one
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
Council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
now
participating
in
person.
We
are
streaming
live
on.
Our
are
we
we're
streaming?
A
A
I
will
now
take
roll
call.
Robin
Raines
is
out
sick,
Kate
and
Kaya
here.
Would
you
prefer
Catherine
Christina
Bohr
here
Stephen
Lee
Johnson,
here,
Thomas
McLaughlin,
Brian,
Moffett.
B
A
A
A
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed.
Okay
motion
passes
the
minutes
are
approved.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
would
be
discussion
of
the
drc's
annual
report.
C
Yes,
so
you
all
have
a
copy
of
a
draft
report
which
is
kind
of
a
a
copy
of
last
year's
Report,
with
some
updated
information
about
accomplishments,
including
projects
reviewed
and
then
the
final
committee
membership
on
the
last
portion.
The
areas
highlighted
in
yellow
need
to
be
updated,
although
they
can
be
recycled,
since
some
of
the
goals
are
are
the
same,
perhaps
going
forward.
C
But
this
is
really
the
committee's
report
to
city
council
that
that
chair,
Robin
Raines
will
be
responsible
for
submitting
with
input
from
you
all
which
can
be
done
now
at
this
meeting
and
then
also,
if
there's
any
follow-up,
suggestions
or
comments
that
can
be
provided
by
email
to
to
Robin
and
then
copy
myself
on
that.
C
As
long
as
we're,
not
you
know
discussing
it
as
a
group
on
emails,
we
don't
violate
any
public
meeting
laws
but
yeah
it's
kind
of
just
a
bit.
It's
a
good
way
for
Council
to
know
what
every
in
every
committing
commission
in
the
city
is
required
to
Smith
these.
So
it's
a
good
way
for
a
council
to
know
kind
of
the
work
that's
been
done
over
the
last
year
and
then
also
priorities
and
goals
and
potential
budgetary
impacts
of
those
goals
going
forward
into
the
next
year
or
so.
C
C
It's
it
is
to
by
on
Saturday
at
some
point.
So
time
is
of
the
essence.
A
D
That's
what
we
were
talking
about
earlier,
of
hiring
a
consultant
to
be
in
the
process
of
developing
the
design
guidelines
or
at
least
to
modifying
design
guidelines
for
the
downtown
and
the
front.
But.
D
F
G
D
C
A
budget
request
to
council
okay,
so
you
have
to
they'd,
have
to
approve
that
I
mean
if
we
think
that
amount
is
not
sufficient,
we
could
increase
it
and
then
also
have
it
have
that
goal
of
of
working
internally
to
update
the
guidelines.
While
we
wait
for
funding
to
wholesale
rewrite
them
as
well,
we
can
take
both
tracks.
225
000.,.
H
A
H
C
G
Or
if
we
have
a
lower
amount,
identify
exactly
what
we
want
accomplished.
So
if
we
don't
feel
like,
we
can
ask
for
the
full
amount
we
can
ask
for
x
and
we
feel
comfortable
that
X
would
cover
when
we
say
the
process
of
revising
begin
the
process
of
revising.
What
are
those
first
steps?
We
could
siphon
it
off
like.
C
C
C
A
Okay
on
to
new
business,
formal
design,
review
our
first
item
on
our
agenda
and
that
section
would
be
81
Cox
avenue,
a
rooftop
Edition.
This
is
a
formal
review
of
a
rooftop
edition
of
an
existing
commercial
building.
C
Great
thanks,
Jeremy
good
afternoon,
everyone
will
Palmquist
with
planning
Urban
Design
I'll,
be
presenting
the
request
for
this
review
of
a
new
Rooftop,
Bar
Edition
and
Associated
staircase
structure
and
providing
SAS
recommendation
for
that.
So
this
project
is
located,
81
Cox
avenue
it's
an
existing
one-story
commercial
building
with
an
outdoor
patio
currently
used
by
Boomers,
Bourbon
and
Cigar
Bar.
The
site
is
about
.07
Acres.
It's
located
in
the
CBD
outside
of
the
traditional
downtown
core
within
the
tallest
height
Zone
Cox
avenue
is
identified
as
a
key
pedestrian
street.
C
I
flip
to
their
renderings
for
now
give
you
a
better
better
sense.
What's
proposed
here.
So
basically,
what's
proposed
is
a
new
rooftop
Edition,
as
you
can
see,
highlighted
in
this
structure
here,
as
well
as
a
new
exterior
staircase
structure,
with
a
mid-deck
landing
and
some
other
set
improvements
as
well.
The
total
work
is
about
1400
square
feet.
The
project
is
classified
as
a
like
a
level
one
project.
So
it's
a
major
work
that
requires
a
review
by
this
committee
voluntarily
complying
with
any
recommendations
that
the
committee
makes
for
the
project.
C
C
Staff
finds
that
the
project
is
supported
by
a
number
of
guidelines
in
the
downtown
design
review
guidelines,
including
regarding
loading
facilities,
which
are
for
keep
pedestrian
streets,
which
Cox
avenue
is
they
be
placed
along
alleys
or
other
streets
not
identified
as
key
pedestrian
streets
and
access
is
proposed
to
remain
at
the
rear
for
for
loading
regarding
facade
materials
and
fenestration
details,
the
project
uses
materials
that
resemble
those
in
nearby
areas
to
help
a
sense
of
continuity
in
the
downtown
environment
and
then
also
for
new
construction.
C
The
color
is
used
to
coordinate
facade
elements
in
an
overall
composition
regarding
Rehabilitation
maintenance
and
additions.
The
essential
original
design
characteristics
of
the
building
have
been
respected.
The
New
Vertical
additions
are
set
back
from
the
historic
base
to
distinguish
the
new
from
the
existing
and
then
the
new
additions.
New
Edition
has
limited
visibility
from
The
Pedestrian
perspective
as
it
is
set
back
also
under
other
recommendations.
The
rooftop
says
that
rooftop,
Terraces
and
green
roofs
are
encouraged
and
that
Rehabilitation
of
existing
buildings
is
sustainable.
C
So
staff
supports
the
proposed
rooftop
Edition
and
Patio
at
81
Cox
Avenue
and
recommends
approval,
as
the
project
is
in
alignment
with
requirements
and
guidelines
got
to
answer
any
questions.
I
believe
we
also
have
the
applicant
here
with
us
today
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
committee
might
have
and
I
can
put
other
drawings
as
well.
There's
some
elevations,
so
you
can
get
a
better
sense
of
the
stairway
structure,
the
mid
deck
Landing,
the
patio
area
and
then
the
actual
building
Edition.
D
We're
you
mentioned:
they're
gonna
basically
match
the
kind
of
existing
gray
with
the
red
trim.
That's
there
now
is
that
the
intent
you
said
it's
going
to
match
the
color
yeah.
C
D
C
C
Correct
the
patio
is
existing
and
then
both
the
large
trees
on
site
will
remain.
J
C
Yeah
I
believe
it's
based
off
square
footage,
so
if
there,
if
it
was
larger,
there
might
be
multiple
egress
points
required.
That
will
be
an
item
reviewed
by
the
building
safety
folks
in
development
services,
as
well
as
the
permit
gets
reviewed
by
the
different
plan
reviewers
as
well.
So
if
there
are
any
issues,
it'll
be
flagged
and
brought
to
their
attention,
but
I
believe
they're
within
the
code.
For
that.
C
A
vertical
metal
pickets,
yep.
K
H
C
It's
a
good
question:
I,
don't
it
wasn't
highlighted
in
the
plans
as
far
as
I
know
it's
remaining,
as
is.
H
C
So
yeah
okay
address
the
committee
and
answer
their
question
about
the
existing
yeah
and
just
introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
Please.
L
The
existing
asphalt
will
be
remaining
as
it
is
with
the
existing
ramp.
That
is
there
currently.
H
So
do
you
know
how
they
I'm
just
looking
at
the
the
metal,
picket
fence
detail
that's
being
proposed,
and
this
is
just
a
just
a
consideration,
a
thought
it.
It
says
it
has
wood
posts
in
that
with
a
six
foot,
metal
fence
and
it
in
elevation
and
in
the
perspectives.
It
looks
like
that.
Picket
is
not
racking
pretty
easy
to
do
with
these
catalog
pieces,
but
it
would
look
better
if
you
had
that
fence
just
rack
all
the
way
up
and
not
do
step,
step,
step
step.
It.
L
Does
have
some
grade
that
we
would
be
following
for,
and
that
will
be
either
we'll
slope
the
rail
to
accommodate
the
the
top
and
the
bottom
rail
slope,
the
the
grade
or
we'll
space,
the
defense
post
accordingly
to
be
able
to
pick
those
up
too.
D
H
And
then
the
other
comment
regarding
defense
again,
this
may
be
a
design
detail
that
you
and
the
client
are
preferring,
but
it
seems
a
little
unusual
to
have
a
wood
post
in
that
kind
of
scenario.
H
It
might
actually
look
better
if
you
just
use
the
same
metal
product
that
you're
using
for
the
fits,
and
that
would
help
you
get
the
pieces.
The
components
in
that
that
would
let
those
the
system
rack
and
follow
the
grade
in
a
parallel
line,
but
okay
I.
The
reason
I
was
asking
about
the
existing
Paving
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
fence.
There's
a
lot
of
posts
and
there's
going
to
be
like
a
little
messy
detail
of
having
to
excavate
for
the
Post,
especially
for
a
six
foot
post
I.
H
L
When
it
was
the
previous
tenant,
they
had,
they
had
parking
up
in
there,
but
under
this
tenant
it's
that's
gone
away.
Okay,.
G
G
K
Is
there
any
lighting
proposed
on
the
ground
level,
the.
L
The
lighting
that
we'll
be
looking
to
do
we're
underneath
the
mid
deck
area
we'll
have
ceiling
fans.
H
L
Lighting
Associated
there
is
going
to
be
some
string
lighting.
You
know
that
we
would
have
strand
lighting
similar
to
what's
there
currently
and
we
will.
We
will
accommodate
the
foot
candle
requirement
for
the
exit
path
off
of
that,
whether
that's
associated
with
an
inverter
or
on
that
assembly
or
not.
L
F
M
If
it's
not
a
requirement,
you
guys
work
through
that,
but
I
would
definitely
encourage
you
to
consider
you
know.
Maybe
a
Lula
elevator
or
you
know
it's
a
small
footprint
low-cost.
You
know
low-cost
remote
perspective
from
a
space.
You
know
square
footage
perspective,
but
you
know
you'd
be
opening
this
up
to
everybody,
which
is.
D
D
D
A
A
F
A
Just
we
cut
off
20
of
our
time
more
efficient
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Thank
you
very
much.
As
I
said
I'm
on
the
agenda,
it
would
be
10,
Buxton,
Avenue,
look
at
this
a
rooftop
Edition.
A
E
E
Because
this
is
my
first
I
kind
of
had
to
organize
my
thoughts
and
and
will
suggest
I
use
the
template
for
other
committees.
So
you're
going
to
see
a
presentation,
I
admit
that
my
memo
is
probably
a
little
bit
too
long.
So,
as
I
become
more
comfortable
with
what
you
need
and
what
my
roles
are,
it
will
become
more
condensed
and
summarized
so
bear
with
me.
E
This
is
a
design
review
for
a
central
business
district
property.
It's
not
in
the
traditional
downtown
core.
It's
here
on
the
map,
it's
located
at
the
corner
of
Buxton
and
Collier.
The
intersection
of
Buxton
and
Collier
are
designated
as
a
neighborhood
center
in
the
South
slope
master
plan,
but
I
believe
that
master
plan
is
in
being
updated
and
I've
captured.
Some
of
that
later
on,
I
enjoyed
understanding
the
complexity
of
of
how
reviews
for
this
committee
take
place.
This
is
in
the
central
business
district
outside
the
traditional
downtown
core.
E
There
is
no
key
pedestrian
street
Frontage.
It
is
in
the
downtown
design
overlay
and
according
to
the
language
in
in
these
Provisions.
It
is
a
major
work,
even
though
it's
a
level
one
and
that
that
creates
a
bifurcation
of
the
process
in
the
city,
and
so
the
general
compliance
will
be
taken
care
of
through
DSD
and
and
will
and
I
in
our
department
and
Avery
will
take
care
of
submitting
this
application
to
design
review.
We
anticipate
this
is
going
to
happen
more
often,
so
it's
it's
something
that
we're
thinking
about.
E
E
Looking
at
things
like
Urban
forms,
talking
about
the
historic
character
of
the
area,
the
uses
supporting
local
residents.
Clearly,
Asheville
has
a
lot
of
Brewing
facilities
to
support
its
local
residences.
I
love
that
and
so
there's
there's
not
a
real
a
bunch
of
specific
recommendations
about
this
particular
location
in
that
draft
plan,
but
I
thought
I
would
at
least
bring
it
to
your
attention
street
view
and
Google
is
great.
E
It
was
updated,
I
guess
in
October
of
2022
I
think
so
what
you
see
in
the
upper
left
of
these
images
is
the
building
in
2008
and
then
at
the
bottom
left.
You
see
it
from
the
back.
E
Unfortunately,
I
didn't
keep
the
same
perspective
2022,
so
the
building
hasn't
really
changed
much
and
that
that
period
you're
looking
down
Buxton
on
the
on
the
upper
slide
so
to
the
right,
is
the
front
of
the
building,
we're
talking
about
and
then
looking
down
Collier
the
Opposites
of
the
slide
on
the
left
toward
the
neighboring
burial
beer
facility
in
the
site
plan
has
a
significant
amount
of
internal
modifications
that
that
are
going
to
be
reviewed
by
building
and
DSD.
E
In
addition
to
the
rooftop
and
the
external
things
we'll
be
looking
at,
there's
service
areas,
kitchens,
a
a
hall
I
imagine
for
live
music
or
events.
It
looks
like
there's
a
stage
on
that
on
that
second
floor,
so
the
second
floor
fronts
onto
Buxton
and
the
bottom
floor,
engages
with
the
existing
burial
build
beer
company
on
the
back
there
at
an
old
right
of
way.
There
used
to
be
a
right-of-way
there.
That
right-of-way
was
never
dedicated
to
the
city.
E
Therefore,
it
was
available
for
abandonment,
and
this
is
given
more
property
to
both
sides.
Let's
see
look
at
the
external
modifications.
This
is
the
rooftop
very
similar
to
what
you
just
looked
at.
There
is
an
enclosed
area
which
doesn't
really
show
up
well
on
this
screen
where
the
internal
stairway
comes
up,
that
is
an
actual
enclosed
building
area.
E
E
On
the
above
on
the
upper
side,
there's
gonna
there
are
there's
a
lot
more
Mechanicals,
because
that
area
below
it
is
being
converted
over
to
Brewing
or
may
already
be
in
the
process
of
that
there
is
some
screening
around
that
to
propose,
in
this
plan
to
kind
of
mitigate
that
impact
on
the
outside
and
again
this
will
be
something
more
reviewed
by
staff
down
at
DSC.
We
see
some
Street
trees
with
bump
outs
in
the
in
the
right-of-way.
E
On
Buxton
Ave
this,
along
with
Street
trees
along
the
existing
grass
area
on
Collier,
these
will
be
smaller
trees
because
they're
overhead
utilities,
and
in
the
back
there
will
be
some
more
Landscaping
to
bring
the
site
into
compliance
with
our
open
space
and
tree
canopy,
ordinances
and,
and
that
review
is
ongoing
and
at
the
immediate
bottom
you
see
the
outset
of
the
the
stairwell.
E
So
there's
there's
an
external
stairwell
to
the
top
that
kind
of
engages
with
that
courtyard
between
the
existing
burial
facility
and
then
there's
an
internal
stairwell
that
gets
up
to
the
roof
deck.
They
do
show
details
about
some
modifications
to
the
pavement
on
the
site.
You
can
see
those
on
this
plan.
E
We
get
down
to
the
materials
the
building
is
going
to
be
painted
or
is
painted.
The
the
existing
locations
where
there
are
windows
in
the
building
are
being
expanded
vertically
a
couple
of
new
ones
are
being
put
in
they're.
The
the
doorway
that
you
see
the
garage
door
is
the
access
to
the
Brewing
location,
so
the
second
Doorway
to
the
right
is
going
to
be
closed,
which
will
be
nice,
so
the
loading
will
be
limited.
E
It
will
also
hopefully
allow
for
that
sidewalk
to
eliminate
some
of
the
pedestrian
challenges
with
so
many
tip
Downs
along
Buxton
Ave,
and
you
can
see
the
the
stairwell,
the
stairwell
actually
fronts
onto
Buxton
and
that
and
then
goes
up
to
a
landing
in
a
deck
which
then
goes
into
the
side
of
the
top
floor.
So
the
building
is
challenged
to
keep
it
at
one
floor
because
it
bucks
in
slow
like
this
and
then
Collier
slips
like
that.
E
So
it's
it's
an
intriguing
way
to
put
the
the
kind
of
access
on
the
corner
of
the
building,
which
again
is
that
intersection,
which
is
considered
the
neighborhood
center.
According
to
the
plan
on
the
back,
you
see
the
external
stairways,
a
couple
of
Landings,
one:
more
doors
increase,
Windows,
there's
a
great
local
artist,
mural
already
painted
that
goes
into
a
it's,
a
merchandise
location,
and
you
can
see
the
new
trees
that
are
proposed
for
the
area.
K
E
Is
the
Collier
Frontage,
so
at
the
top
you
can
see
the
building
you
can
see
the
the
canopy,
the
underside
of
the
canopy
is
exposed.
Pine
there's
a
new
railing
along
the
deck,
keep
everybody
up.
There,
that's
stepped
in
a
little
bit
from
the
edge
of
the
building.
The
railing
theme
continues
on
for
the
external
stairwell,
as
well
as
the
the
front
access
point
and
again
you
can
see
the
widened
opened
up
Windows
the
materials
are
displayed
in
color
and
the
plans
very
clear,
the
perforated
screening
kind
of
in
the
middle.
E
Our
observations
about
Society
are
my
observations.
Again,
DSD
will
be
reviewing
for
level
one.
So
we
have
that
split
process.
The
plans
are
complete.
I.
Think
the
details
are
nice
they're
in
color
it's
an
existing
building
along
boxing.
It
has
that
zero
back
setback
a
long
call
year,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
setback,
but
the
benefit
is
it's
grass
and
it
provides
opportunity
for
landscaping
and
they've
they've
shown
the
deck
to
engage
at
a
zero
front
setback
along
Collier.
E
The
the
windows
are
are
dramatically
increased
from
the
existing
ones,
the
exist
ones
or
the
square
ones.
I
I
hesitate
to
give
you
my
opinion
about
the
buy,
but
I
feel
like
it
continues.
The
the
vibe
of
the
South
slope
area.
All
the
buildings
are
at
the
same
level.
There,
a
lot
of
them
are
masonry
and
cinder
block.
They're
paint
did
with
murals
different
colors.
It
seems
to
be
very
respectful
of
not
only
their
own
identity,
but
also
kind
of
what
this
area
of
South
slope
is
is
presenting
itself.
E
That's
I
think
in
terms
of
your
recommendation.
It
respects
the
existing
building.
The
new
rooftop
is
stepped
in
a
little
bit.
In
accordance
with
your
recommendations,
the
only
thing
I
I
would
bring
up
is
there
may
be
some
details
or
information
about
how
waste
management
is
going
to
be
handled,
because
the
building
basically
engages
on
all
three
sides.
It's
gonna
there's
there
would
be
some
concern
about
where,
though
any
dumpsters
would
be,
or
how
that's
going
to
be
done
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
conflicts
with
access
to
the
building.
F
J
A
rookie
you're
a
pro:
it's
not
just
the
first
time
here:
Robert
Todd,
hello
committee,
Red
House
architecture,
so
the
sister
property
to
this
is
the
original
burial,
beer
company
location
at
40
Collier,
and
so
they
will.
They
have
an
existing
dumpster
there
and
other
forms
of
recycling
of
grain
and
other
materials,
and
so
they'll
the
10
bucks
and
property
will
pair
in
with
the
infrastructure.
That's
already
at
Collier
they'll
probably
have
more
frequent
Recycling
and
grain
Reclamation
pickups.
J
D
Questions?
What
is
the
the
nature
of
that
perforated
Metals
equipment
screen
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
where
that
kind
of
is
that's
shown
right
now,.
M
J
You
want
let's
go
to
that
elevation,
so
they
are
in
the
upper
left
of
this
elevation.
You'll
should
be
called
out
above
the
garage
door.
Is
that
it's
an
it's
an
aluminum
perforated
product
we've
used
it
Juicy
Lucy's
on
Hendersonville
Road,
when
that
was
renovated
10
years
ago,
that
has
a
perforated
screen
there
on
it,
and
so
what
shows
in
this
elevation
doesn't
show
you
the
depth
that
makes
it
look
like
it's
on
the
front
face
of
the
building,
but
it'll
occur.
J
Is
yes,
I
mean
you
described
our
three
and
a
half
floor
level,
changes
on
that
main
floor,
so
there
were
two
loading
docks
that
one
the
lady
knock
on
the
left
went
into
the
actual
level,
the
loading
dock
that
was
on
the
right
that
we're
getting
rid
of
went
into
a
lower
floor
area.
It's
about
30
inches
below.
So
what
we've
done
is
created
an
internal
ramp
from
that
North
door.
J
We
did
the
design
work
for
Highlands
rooftop
and
it
was
large
enough
to
have
an
elevator
for
it
and
I
think
the
what
we've
planned
for
here
is
a
place
for
an
elevator,
but
the
budget
is
not
there
yet
until
I
think
our
operators
make
sure
that
things
fly
and
they
get
a
little
bit
more
dollars.
But
ideally
what
this
would
have
is
a
three-stop
elevator.
That
would
go
ahead
and
connect
it
to
the
basement
and
that
their
potential
tie-in,
for
that,
would
our
access
would
be
at
Buxton
Avenue.
J
H
It's
it's
so
interesting
that
we're
reviewing
two
projects
that
are
so
similar
today,
but
it's
also
interesting
how
they're
not
similar
to
me.
This
one
is
so
much
more
on
point
with
the
South
slope,
with
the
use
of
the
steel
lentils,
the
steel
columns,
the
cable
railing.
It
just
feels
like
it's
in
the
right
spot,
a
lot
more
compared
to
some
others
that
we
reviewed.
H
My
only
comment
is
just
something
to
look
at
the
planters
that
are
shown
in
front
on
Buxton
I.
Think
that
street
slopes
to
the
curb
there
in
front
of
your
building
and
you're
going
to
need
to
make
sure
you
accommodate
that
storm
water-
that's
hitting
the
curb
so
there
may
is
probably
the
best
thing
to
do-
is
like
an
open
flu
through
there.
But
that's
my
only.
D
F
F
G
That
would
be
great
great
I'm
really
excited
about
that.
Little
I
just
want
to
strip
the
land
alongside
because
there's
so
little
pervious,
surface
and
area
to
incorporate
plants
in
this
in
this
location
and
so
I
see
the
trees
wondering.
Are
you
going
to
propose
keeping
the
grass?
What
is
the
sort
of
ground
cover
layer.
J
A
great
question
at
this
point:
it
is
expected
to
be
a
grasp
product.
I
would
see
right
now.
It's
just
you
know,
plain
wheat
eating
grass
what's
happened
at
Collier
is
at
their
original
location.
There's
a
lot
of
pedestrian
activity
all
around
the
building,
and
so
it
becomes
a
gravel
area.
What's
great
about
this
little
strip
is
it
will
The?
Pedestrian
activity
will
occur
at
the
sidewalk,
and
so
I
could
see
some
more
fluffy
vertical
grasses,
but
still
durable,
but
you
I
don't
think
we're
expecting
people
to
be
walking
on
them.
J
So
I
could
see
some
fun
durable
grasses
there
to
go
along
with
the
trees
so
and
then
I
think
in
the
back.
This
this
whole
site
was
the
Collier
building
was
a
United
Moving
Van,
so
they
had
a
gigantic
scale
that
we
knew
was
there
and
then,
when
we
did
an
Edition
last
year
we
ended
up
having
to
demo
a
portion
of
that
gigantic
scale
out.
J
So
all
of
that's
like
highly
come
back
compacted
grade
back
there,
including
directly
behind
this
building,
so
we're
we've
got
a
we've
got
two
trees
shown
in
the
back
that
are
complying
with
the
tree
canopy
protection,
and
it
may
be
that
one
of
those
the
tree
that's
in
the
center
there
it
may
rotate
around
to
the
other
side
or
it
may
try
to
remain
where
it
is
depending
on
I.
Guess
the
soil
quality
that's
there,
but
we
are.
J
And
point
well
taken
about
your
curb
Stephen
Lee,
because
there
is
water
that
that
moves
along
there
in
one
interesting
item
I'll
point
out
is
we
are
showing
our
stair
new
decks
here
coming
down
onto
Buxton.
Currently,
that
is
not
a
two
percent.
D
Have
you
thought,
I,
see
kind
of
indicate,
indicative
lighting
just
on
the
side
of
the
building?
Is
that
pretty
much
where
you're
proposing
lighting
right
now
and
I'm,
assuming
you're
going
to
have
some
Under
The
Canopy?
Yes,.
J
We'll
have
what
we've
got
in
the
back
is
a
series
of
rlm
or
Warehouse
style
lights
right,
so
full
cut
off
and
so
we'll
keep
those
coming
around
the
Collier
and
the
Buxton
side.
And
then
right
now
we've
got
string
lights
shown
Under,
The,
Canopy
I!
Think
that's
a
little
bit
to
string
lights
are
very
versatile,
obviously,
and
it's
a
little
bit
of
advertising
to
hey
come
up
here.
It's
great.
J
Signage
is
not
a
part
of
this
yet
because
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
really
wants
to
be
when
it
grows
up,
but
we
were
excited
to
be
able
to
bring
that
entrance
to
the
corner
of
Collier
and
Buxton.
That
was
not
written
in
the
original
scope.
It
really
wasn't
planned
to
be
a
main
entrance
and
as
we
got
into
the
levels,
it
just
worked
out
best
to
create
that
as
an
entrance,
but
from
a
Urban
Design
standpoint,
I
like
bringing
that
activity
to
the
corner.
A
D
But
you've
activated
the
street
about
as
well
as
you
can
activate
it.
Yeah
on
a
sloping
site
like
that
I
had
some
concerns
when
I
first
saw
it.
I
was
like
why
I
can't
be
coming
and
get
to
the
roof
bar
from
the
street,
but
you
know
when
I
dug
into
it
a
little
bit
more,
a
reasonable
way
to
maneuver
through
the
site.
So
I
like
this.
M
J
Yeah
I
appreciate
those
comments
and
yes,
the
goal
which,
in
the
nick
of
time
the
alley
was
able
to
be
closed.
It
closed
on
January
9th,
so
we
were
being
preemptive
because
we
were
working
with
a
City
attorney.
This
is
Zach
Hill
here
by
the
way
with
the
representing
burial,
and
so
their
team
was
working
with
the
city
attorney
to
agree
that
the
alley
had
never
been
accepted
by
the
city,
and
so
it
was
able
to
be
shared
with
the
two
property
owners,
and
so
that
really
creates
a
a
burial
campus.
G
One
of
the
strengths
of
this,
and
something
for
us
to
think
about
as
we're
moving
into
reviewing
the
design
guidelines
is
here,
are
two
very
similar
projects.
They
both
meet
the
current
standards,
but
how
different
they
are
and
I
think
what's
strong
about
this
one.
Is
that
it's
not
this
appendage?
That's
just
been
added
on
that.
It
checks
all
these
boxes
that
they're
it's
almost
like
a
a
continued
growth
of
this
existing
site,
and
so
I,
don't
know
how
you
translate
that
into
roles,
but
just
wanted
to
I.
G
Think
that's
what
we're
all
responding
to.
It's
like
an
evolution
of
this
site
in
a
very
thoughtful
way,
as
opposed
to
just
adding
things
to
add
them
and
and.
A
H
M
J
Could
I
speak
to
what
you
just
mentioned?
Catherine
will
and
I
talked
about
it
briefly
and
we've
we've
talked
about
it
with
Chris
Collins
is
Andrea.
Jackson
who
works
with
me
could
would
be
happy
to
give
you
any
user
advice
from
a
designer's
perspective
on
the
Udo
and.
J
Codes,
but
what
happens
is
when
you
read
the
when
you
read
the
downtown
guidelines
when
you
search
for
the
word
existing
I
think
you
will.
You
will
come
up
with
nothing
except
for
related
to
historic
buildings
and
that's
a
myth,
because
one
of
the
great
Treasures
of
Asheville
is
all
of
our
existing
buildings
that
we
were
too
poor
to
tear
down
and
revamp,
and
so
that's
a
huge
mess.
J
And
so
when
you
look
at
the
different
outcomes
of
product
projects
that
meet
the
guidelines,
it's
because
the
guidelines
aren't
driving,
aren't
incentivizing
what
what
you're
really
trying
to
get
out
of
your
ordinance.
And
so
it's
it's
a
big
mess.
And
so,
if
you
are,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
revamping
all
of
the
ordinances
and
we
get
the
form-based
ordinances.
You
know
those
are
the
most
current,
but
then
nothing
ever
really
happens
on
the
other.
J
J
D
A
J
And
there's
and
there's
no
like
we've
had
this
discussion
with
Shannon
tuck
lesser
heart
is
that
she
would
have
a
running
list
of
things
that
she
wanted
to
change
or
update
in
the
Udo,
and
then
other
things
would
happen
it
just.
It
would
be
relatively
easy
to
make
wording
changes.
That
would
help,
and
it
just
doesn't
happen.
I.
A
Have
made
that
comment
to
Todd
to
council
when
we
when
I
was
on
Planning
and
Zoning,
we
made
we
had
a
number
of
small
changes.
They
would
happen
all
the
time.
Well,
everything
doesn't
require
a
study
in
a
multi
hundred
thousand
dollar
consultant
in
five
years.
There
are
some
in
the
meantime,
hey
we're
noticing
this
is
happening.
Let's
make
some
changes
right
and
so
I
called
Todd.
A
Maybe
this
is
why
I
was
going
to
Nashville
I
said:
I've
got
four
words:
I
want
to
change
in
the
UDF
four
words:
here's
a
provision,
blah
blah
I-
think
we
could
probably
get
that
done
in
10
to
12
months.
J
Yeah,
it
should
be
easier
than
that
and-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
you
sit
on
multiple
committees
or
have
been
on
past
committees.
You
see
the
things
that
come
before
you
the
board
of
adjustments.
You
know,
you
know
what
those
things
are
and
it
could
be.
It
could
be
and
should
be,
a
minor
wording
change
and
if
you
find
out
in
practice
that
that
wording
change
went
too
far
or
not
far
enough.
Let's.
C
Think
staff
would
definitely
agree
that
there's
a
lot
of
easy
fixes
to
make
that
could
go
a
long
ways
that
doesn't
need
a
big
study
or
a
big
rewrite.
It
can
be
little
stuff
along
the
way
and
just
figuring
out
the
best
way
of
doing
that
in
a
consistent
manner.
That's
repeatable
over
and
over
again
to
make
it
more
efficient
would
be
very
beneficial,
so
yeah.
D
All
right,
chair,
I,
move
to
recommend
approval
of
the
rooftop
Edition
and
building
modifications
at
10
bucks,
an
Avenue
and
as
presented
based
on
the
site
plans.
Elevations
materials
submitted
and
discussions
heard
during
this
review
and
find
that
the
project
meets
the
intent
of
the
downtown
design
guidelines.
As
stated
in
the
staff
report,.
F
D
That
we
do
recommend
we.
We
acknowledge
that
the
applicant
indicated
that
they
are
reviewing
a
adding
an
elevator,
and
we
would
recommend
that
they
continue
to
do
so
and
do
so
if
at
all,
feasible.
I
F
A
It
is:
are
there
any
future
discussion
topics
that
we'd
like
to
address
now
or
anyone.
G
G
Well,
I
think
that's
a
good
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
but
then
I
wonder
if
we
should
all
can
we
do
this
like
decide
what
the
priorities
are.
I
I
hesitate
to
give
you
just
a
list
of
things,
but
if
we
could
sort
of
as
a
group
come
together
with
some
consensus
around
like
what
our
priorities
are.
A
D
Think
I
mean
I
mean
some
of
them,
so
some
of
them
are
going
to
be
simple.
So
in
the
Udo
there's
some
things
that
say,
you
have
to
have
a
building
organizational
piece
and
then
it's
a
such
as
basemental
cap,
and
then
it
points
you
to
the
design
guidelines
and
the
design
guideline
gets
in
there
earlier.
You
know
I'd
like
to.
We
need
to
modify
that
because
we
keep
getting
really
bad
base
metal
cap
buildings
and
that's
not
what
we
meant
when
we
wrote
that
20
years
ago.
D
That
I,
like
that,
we
can
go
ahead
and
get
the
document
started
ahead
of
time
and
I
can
work
with
Dana
on
that
that
we
something
that
we
that
lives
on
the
city
website
that
that
we
house
and
then
we
can
all
all
mess
with
and
have
the
three
so
again,
I
think
we
have
general
what
we
as
a
design
review
board
look
at
is
primarily
downtown
Riverfront
and
hotel,
and
so
I
would
break
them
up
into
those
three
areas.
And
then
what
can
we
do?
What
do
we?
D
What
do
we
seeing
consistently
and
then
what
do
we?
What
would
we
like
to
see
consistently
because.
D
The
second
one
had
a
different
sensibility
to
it
than
the
first
one.
The
first
one
was
kind
of
a
checkbox
thing
in
in
a
way,
I
mean
there's
a
couple
little
knives,
but.
M
To
be
fair,
the
first
one
was
I
mean
this
was
a
whole
building
approach.
The
second
one
was
a
whole
building
approach.
D
I
Yeah
I
think
one
of
the
frustrations
I
have
is
with
the
guidelines.
Is
that
they're
not
very
holistic?
So
they
talk
about
design
and
then
they
talk
about
facade,
and
you
know
basemental,
cap
and
storefront,
but
that's
not
really
designed
design
design
is
the
building.
You
know
it's.
It's
more.
F
I
I
think
it's
important
to
find
a
way
to
integrate
the
goals
for
the
overarching,
the
way
that
we're
viewing
it
as
a
city,
rather
than
just
these
like
little
Tiki
tacky
things.
C
I
think
the
other
opportunity,
maybe
is
to
have
whether
folks
want
to
consider
having
maybe
a
committee
Retreat.
So
you
know
whether
that's
block
out
a
couple
hours
or
an
afternoon,
maybe.
C
And
yeah
that
could
be
an
opportunity
to
talk
through.
You
know
it
could
be
any
number
of
things,
one
of
which
could
be.
The
guidelines
also
have
an
education
piece,
or
you
know
a
program
in
different
ways.
You
know
maybe
get
out
of
sitting
around
a
conference
room
or.
C
Teams,
or
whatever
or
Google
me
us
kind
of
Yeah,
just
something
different
planning.
Zoning
commission
had
one
last
year
that
was
virtual
and
a
focused
on
Equity
and
we're
thinking
about
one
this
year
and
what
that
could
look
like
something:
that's
something
that
the
RC
wants
to
consider
as
a
maybe
an
annual
or
semi-annual
Retreat
to
kind
of
get
out
of
the
meeting
mold
and
talk
through
some
business
items,
including
things
like
guidelines
and
kind
of
fun,
some
fun
along
the
way
too.
That's.
C
It
has
to
be
publicly
noticed
because
it
would
be
a
quorum
of
people,
presumably
talking
about
business,
wouldn't
necessarily
have
to
have
public
involvement,
but
someone
from
the
public.
Anyone
from
the
public
could
attend.
Basically.
A
D
C
Correct
yeah,
it's
only
a
one-way
stream.
Currently,
that
might
I
know
I
know.
When
city
council
adopted
a
resolution
a
few
months
ago,
one
of
their
things
moving
forward.
We
try
to
investigate
a
more
hybrid
meeting
approach,
which
we
currently
do
not
have.
So
it's
a
one-way
stream
currently,
so
no
one,
no
one
can
make
comment
if
they're
not
here
in
person,.