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A
So
for
the
folks
who
are
joining
us
today,
if
it's
not
your
case
on
the
agenda,
if
you
don't
mind,
turning
off
your
camera
and
and
muting
yourself
until
it's
time
for
your
case
and
and
then
take
it
from
there
and
we
are
live
so
joe,
whenever
you're
ready.
C
All
right,
thank
you,
miss
tuck
good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
march
3rd
2022
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
for
the
city
of
asheville.
My
name
is
joe
archbald
and
I'm
the
current
chair
of
the
commission.
C
All
commission
members
staff
and
applicants
are
participating
virtually
and
we
appreciate
your
patience
during
this
time
of
virtual
meetings.
This
meeting
is
being
streamed,
live
on
the
city's
virtual
engagement
hub,
a
link
of
which
can
be
found
on
the
home
page
of
the
city's
website
and
also
on
the
pmz
commission
webpage.
C
In
addition,
you
can
watch
past
meetings
on
the
city's
youtube
channel.
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and
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C
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address
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and
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comments
received
during
our
discussion
of
the
particular
agenda
item
and
we
will
begin
this
evening's
meeting
with
roll
call,
miss
tuck.
A
Thank
you,
chair
archibald,
here
vice
chair
levi
here,
commissioner
barton.
D
D
E
A
C
All
right
great,
thank
you.
First
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
february
2nd
2022
meeting.
Is
there
any
discussion
prior
to
approving
those
minutes?
Yes,
commissioner
barton.
F
I
just
had
a
question
on
the
minutes
from
last
time
we
continued
two
items.
One
was
one
that's
on
the
agenda
for
tonight
and
then
one
was
1001
patent
avenue
conditional
rezoning
did
we
continue
that
it
says
that
we
continued
to
march
second?
Did
we
do?
We
need
to
continue
it
again
or
was
it
continued
indefinitely?
Thank.
A
You
for
catching
that
yeah
they
we
continue.
We
didn't
know
if
they
were
planning
on
going
to
march
or
april,
and
I
think
we
just
continued
them
to
march,
but
they
do
want
to
come
in
april.
So
if
we
could
continue
that
item
one
more
month
just
to
be
safe,
that
would
be
great.
C
C
Okay,
let's
do
the
minutes
and
then
we'll
do
the
motion
for
the
continuing
and
that
was
101
patent.
Is
that
correct,
1,
000,
1001,
okay,
so
yeah?
Let's
do
let's
do
the
minutes
first
and
then
we'll
do
the
continuation
for
the
the
patent
avenue
project.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
C
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
when
I
call
on
you,
if
you
can
just
say
I
or
nay,
commissioner.
F
G
C
Commissioner
faircloth
aye
and
I
will
vote
I
as
well
that
passes
essentially
unanimously
five
zero
and
then
we
will
do
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
the
motion
to
continue
the
conditional
zoning
of
1001
patton
avenue
until
the
april.
Is
it?
Sixth,
I
believe
yes
april
6
2022
meeting
do
I
have.
H
C
Okay,
we'll
do
brenton
as
a
second.
If
I
can
do
a
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
levi.
G
B
C
And
I
will
vote
I
as
well
and
again
that
passes
five
zero.
Okay
with
those
two
things
out
of
the
way
glad
you
caught
that
commissioner
barton
yeah
I
had.
I
had
missed
that.
I
couldn't
remember
if
we
had
done
that
to
march
or
kind
of
date.
B
C
To
the
first
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
a
ministerial
public
hearing
just
to
remind
everyone,
this
is
a
level
two
review
in
the
downtown,
so
it
is
site
plan
review
only
and
only
on
specific
technical
requirements.
So
we
don't.
C
H
Good
evening,
commissioners
sharing
my
screen
now
so
as
a
chair,
archibald
stated,
this
is
a
ministerial
site
plan
review
for
a
level
two
project,
the
historic
rehabilitation
of
the
star
building.
H
Here's
a
aerial
image
showing
the
building
spanning
north
lexington
avenue,
as
well
as
broadway
street,
and
just
some
historic
images
from
the
relatively
recent
past
to
quite
a
while
ago.
You
can
get
a
sense
that
the
lexington
avenue
facade
has
remained
relatively
unchanged
and
the
broadway
facade
has
has
changed
quite
a
bit
over
the
years
and
that'll
be
detailed
in
a
little
bit
later
on.
H
The
project
is
located
right,
downtown
the
general
zoning
district
is
cbd,
and
it's
in
the
hotel
overlay
that
allows
for
small
hotels.
H
H
No
parking
is
required
for
uses
in
the
downtown
cbd
zoning
district,
except
for
hotels,
and
in
this
case
the
proposed
35
guest
rooms
will
require
17
parking
spaces
which
are
proposed
to
be
provided
via
the
parking
lot
to
the
south
of
the
property
that
faces
college
street
fenestration
and
opening
requirements
exists
for
the
project.
It
is
both
lexington
and
broadway
are
key
pedestrian
streets.
H
So,
therefore,
the
ground
floor
is
required
to
be
70
percent,
opening
doors
or
windows
or
other
openings
and
20
on
the
upper
elevations,
which
the
project
does
meet
due
to
the
nature
of
the
project.
Public
benefits
are
required
and
in
the
amount
of
140
points
on
the
project
plans
to
meet
that
requirement
through
points
provided
for
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
building,
as
well
as
paying
a
fee
per
guest
room
to
the
city's
housing,
trust
fund
or
reparations
funds.
H
Here's
a
you
know:
basic
site
plan
showing
the
building
outline,
as
mentioned
it's
a
historic
tax,
credit
rehabilitation
project
that
will
be,
you
know
done
with
through
the
second
period,
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation.
H
H
As
you
can
see,
the
brick,
the
brick
facade
is
proposed
to
be
repaired
and
repainted.
The
brick
was
previously
painted
it's
kind
of
hard
to
tell,
because
it's
been
so
long,
but
essentially
and
with
coordination
with
the
historic
tax
credit
rehabilitation.
Any
any
brick
that
was
previously
painted
will
be
repainted
a
birth
color,
as
shown
here,
the
windows
will
be
repaired.
H
H
On
the
opposite
side
of
the
block,
the
broadway
street
elevation,
as
you
can
see
in
this
existing
photo,
it's
it's
changed
quite
a
bit.
I
believe
there
was
a
fire
in
the
building
at
some
point.
According
to
the
the
architects,
and
this
like
efus
paneling,
was
put
on
with
doors
and
balconies
the
proposal,
as
shown
here
pretty
dramatically
change
it
to
actually
what
it
was.
Historically.
H
The
four
set
two
sets
of
windows
with
four
windows,
so
that
would
include
new
brick
after
the
stuff
goes
removed.
New
windows,
as
well
as
the
hvac
screening
you
can
see
in
the
background
a
new
wood
storefront
to
be
installed
and
a.
I
H
H
H
H
C
Thank
you,
mr
palmquist.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and,
and
one
or
two
of
these
might
possibly
be
larger
questions,
but
are
related
to
this
project
and
and
and
it
comes
up
somewhat-
I
was
listening
to
the
to
the
design
review
commission
meeting
on
this
just
this
afternoon.
One
is
about
the
historic
tax
credit
part
in
relation
to
that
public
benefits
table.
I
know
there
was
a
little
bit
of
discussion
and,
I
believe,
miss
tuck.
You
were
you
were
in
that
meeting
with
design
review
in
the
public
benefits
table.
C
C
The
other
has
to
do
with
you
know.
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
situations
like
this,
where
there
is
essentially
off
street
parking,
provided
I
don't
know
if
the
this
property
owner
owns
that
same
parcel,
and
so
I
wonder
in
a
case
like
this,
if
there's
off-street
parking,
that's
provided,
but
it's
on
another
parcel
owned
by
someone
else.
What
happens
to
the
parking
for
this
building
when
that
other
parcel
may
be
developed?
A
A
This
application,
however,
predated
that
change,
so
they're
allowed
to
proceed
with
shared
or
remote
parking
as
an
option,
and-
and
I
believe
that
is
the
case
here-
but
it
is
still
a
requirement.
It's
a
development
requirement,
it's
a
requirement
of
this
permit.
A
So
should
we
find
at
some
point
in
the
future
that
that
parking
lot
is
no
longer
available
or
those
spaces
are
no
longer
available,
the
applicant
will
have
to
find
a
suitable
substitute
in
order
to
stay
in
compliance.
If
they
don't,
then
they're
they're
out
of
compliance,
and
that
then
becomes
an
enforcement
case.
C
C
A
C
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
I
like
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
was
understanding
that
correctly
and
just
you
know
also,
if
anybody
else
had
any
questions
any
of
the
commissioners
have
any
questions
for
staff
at
the
moment,
or
would
you
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant
before
we
have
any
discussion.
G
Yes,
I
had
one
question
about
this:
the
side
entrance
is
this:
is
this
alleyway
owned
on
the
same
parcel
or
is
it
a
separate
parcel?
H
So
this
is
an
adjoining
property
where
the
parking
is.
I
can't
recall
if
there
might
be
a
partial
alley
between
the
two
properties
or
not,
it
might
just
be
more
or
less
on
paper.
I
can.
I
can
double
check
the
lot
lines
to
confirm
that.
G
A
Well,
do
you
can
you
pull
up
the
site
plan?
I
don't
know
if
that'll
well
does
it
appear
on
the
site
plan.
H
A
Right
in
there
on
that
side,
yeah,
so
this
is
something
for
the
applicants
to
you
know
this.
This
is
part
of
their
or
the
property
owner's.
Due
diligence
is
to
understand
what
their
rights
are.
The
city
doesn't
go
and
check
and
see
who
has
the
legal
right
to
access
and
utilize
that
alley
most
of
the
time
property
owners
who
properties
that
abut
the
right-of-way
have
the
legal
right
to
use
it.
So
we
that
would
be
our
expectation
in
this
case,
and
we
do
allow
some
encroachments
into
rights
of
way
and
awnings
canopies.
C
If
there's
no
further
questions
for
staff,
if
the
applicant
would
has
anything
that
they
would
like
to
add
either
mr
sugg,
I
also
see
that
robin
reigns
is
here
one
of
the
arc
with
row
house-
architects,
I
believe
jeffrey
dalton
was
on
as
well,
but
I
saw
him
too
so.
D
Good
evening,
mr
chairman,
vice
chair
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
damie
c
say
I'm
an
attorney
with
alan
stalin,
kilbourne,
and
you
are
correct,
mr
archibald,
that
mr
sugg
is
here
as
well
as
robin
rayne,
she's,
the
architect
and
they're
both
available
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
for
them.
I
was
going
to
give
you
a
little
run-through
of
what
you've
already
heard,
but
also
to
answer
your
earlier
question,
mr
archibald.
D
Yes,
we
this
property
will
be
rehabilitated
in
accordance
with
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation,
so
we
intend
to
comply
with
that
and
we
will
be
meeting
the
public
benefits
requirements
and,
in
fact
exceeding
that
requirement.
So
I
will
let
miss
reigns
join
now.
I
think
she's
on
to
answer
any
questions,
and
then
mr
sud
can
answer
the
some
of
the
specific
parking
and
side
entrance
or
technical
questions
that
you
had
robin.
Are
you
on.
D
C
If,
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
discuss
or
or
chime
in
any
further
on
the
questions
that
we
had,
you
know
certainly
feel
free.
I
don't
know
that
I
have
any
other
particular
questions
regarding
it,
so
I
don't
know
if
any
of
the
commissioners
do.
J
Okay,
well,
we
we
do
plan
to.
We
do
lots
of
historic
rehabilitation
with
the
state
and
work
closely
with
them,
and
we
will
make
sure
that
this
product
project
meets
all
the
historic
guidelines
and
state
requirements.
J
The
alleyway,
as
far
as
I
know,
the
the
the
owners
have
the
right
to
use
the
alleyway.
I
think
that
they've
checked
through
that,
and
I
don't
know
that
there
were
any
other
questions
from
anyone.
Jeffrey
martin.
F
F
Got
a
quick
question
on
your
floor
plans:
it
shows,
on
the
first
floor,
an
area
of
towards
the
broadway
side
of
the
building
designated
laundry.
F
Okay,
I
guess
then
my
follow-up
question
might
be
for
staff.
I
was,
I
was
hoping
that
you
would
say
not
onto
the
sidewalk
so
yeah.
If
that
I
was
wondering
if
there
were
any
standards
from
staff
on
laundry
exhaust
or
if
exhausting
into
the
alleyway,
is
an
appropriate
thing
to
do.
A
I'm
not,
there
are
no
zoning
standards
that
address
that.
I
don't
know
if
there
might
be
building
code
standards,
but
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
that.
C
And
and
miss
reigns,
this
may
be
one
for
you
or
it
may
be
one
for
mr
sugg,
I
did
have
a.
I
just
remembered
a
question
that
I
had
written
down
about
dumpsters
and
trash.
I
know
it.
It
was
noted
in
the
trc
report,
at
least
at
that
time.
The
one
that
I
read
didn't
have
any
clarification
on
what
was
going
to
happen
with
that.
Obviously
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
the
private
haulers
downtown,
but
I
didn't
see
any
like
designation
of
a
trash
room
or
anything
like
that.
J
They're
going
to
have
a
trash
service
and
it's
going
to
be
rolled
out
to
the
street
whichever
side
the
city
chooses
preferable,
broadway
or
single
alley
or
lexington
and
we'll
have
a
trash
room.
We
don't
show
that
yet,
but
we
will
have
that.
C
All
right
thanks
there
any
other
further
questions
from
the
commissioners.
C
And
if
there
is
none,
certainly
happy
to
take
a
motion.
C
K
Chair,
I
believe
commissioner
bubenik
has
also
joined
us.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
note
that
for
the
record,
okay.
C
I
hadn't
seen
her
pop
in
thanks
for
letting
me
know,
commissioner
faircloth,
commissioner.
L
C
C
That's
fine.
I
appreciate
it
yeah
it's
good
to
keep
track.
You
know
trying
to
look
at
all
these
little
screens.
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
I'll
go
ahead
and
second
that
and
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
C
So,
let's
start
with
commissioner
well
yeah,
commissioner
bennex
here,
so
we
can
have
her
vote.
So,
commissioner,
bubenik
you
can
also
recuse
yours
or
just
you
know,
good
oops.
C
I'll
go
on
commissioner
faircloth
hi,
commissioner
barton
aye,
commissioner
levi.
G
C
Commissioner
hoke
hi,
commissioner
bubenik,
are
you
still
with
us.
C
I
will
vote
I
as
well.
I
mean
it
would
pass.
C
Five:
zero
yeah,
five
zero,
so
all
right
so
that
one
passes
five
zero
and
we'll
see.
If
commissioner
bubenick,
we
can
figure
out
what
the
technical
issue
is
with
with
sound,
but
thank
you
very
much.
Miss
miss
reigns.
Miss
cece,
mr
sugg.
C
The
next
agenda
item
is
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
portions
of
the
properties
located
at
273
291
long
shoals,
road
and
300
400
julian
shoals
drive
from
highway
business
to
commercial
expansion
conditional
zone.
The
property
is
identified
as
pins
nine,
six,
four,
four:
four:
eight
eleven,
forty
forty
eighty,
three,
nine
six,
four
four,
forty
seven
six,
eight
two
six
and
eight
eight
one:
nine
in
the
buncombe
county
tax
record,
the
property
owners
are
long
shoals
partners,
llc,
weaverville
shopping
center,
llc
and
long
shoals
development,
bojo,
llc,
planner.
Recording
coordinating
review
is
shannon
tuck.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
So,
as
chair
chibald
is
introduced,
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
petition
for
properties
located
off
of
long
shoals
road.
A
For
some
context,
you
can
see
the
parcels
identified
in
the
exhibit
a
map
on
the
left.
There
are
five
parcels
in
total.
The
conditional
zoning
petition,
however,
is
really
just
for
a
portion
of
those
five
parcels,
so
you
can
see
the
parcels
kind
of
reach
from
the
they're
kind
of
long
and
thin.
They
they
have
frontage
on
long
shoals,
but
then
kind
of
are
relatively
deep.
The
property
today
is
on
community
business
too.
A
The
applicant
would
like
to
recombine
the
properties
in
such
a
way
that
the
front
of
the
properties
remain
zoned
cb2
as
they
are
today,
but
the
back
portion
of
the
properties
become
or
be
conditionally
rezoned
to
residential
expansion
conditional
zone
and
that's
for
the
purpose
of
constructing
a
large
multi-family
residential
development
and
it's
180
or
198
units.
So
anything
over
50
units
requires
a
conditional
zoning
to
one
of
the
city's
expansion
districts,
and
since
this
is
a
multi-family
residential
development,
residential
expansion
is
the
appropriate
designation.
A
A
A
So,
looking
at
the
exhibit
b
aerial
imagery,
you
can
see
that
the
property
is
largely
undeveloped.
There
is
some
grading
that
occurred
as
a
result
of
this
retail
village
that
was
permitted
as
a
level
two
project.
There's
there's
some
interesting
context.
With
this
application
too.
There
is
a
second
retail
village
that
was
approved
for
the
property
to
the
west.
In
the
interim,
the
property
owner's
developers
were
able
to
acquire
the
center
parcel.
A
So
now
the
plan
is
the
the
two
level
two
projects
are
being
amended
so
that
the
back
portion
of
the
the
retail
plan
is
is
removed
from
the
application,
and
this
center
piece
gets
added.
So
the
non-residential
commercial
development
will
be
concentrated
on
the
front
of
the
property
against
lung
shells,
road
as
part
of
those
level
two
applications
and
then
we'll
have
the
conditional
zoning
for
the
properties
in
the
rear.
A
A
A
Here's
the
site
plan
for
the
property.
You
can
see
that
retail
village,
as
it's
currently
master,
planned
located
here
along
the
front
of
the
the
properties
of
a
budding
long
shoals
road
and
then
there's
that
the
multi-family
residential
project
that's
being
proposed
if
you're
familiar
with
long
shoals
road.
There's
a
relatively
newly
constructed
bulge
angles
with
this
retail
village,
that
is
the
main
entrance
on
to
julian
shoals
drive.
A
This
project
in
addition
to
constructing
multifamily,
will
be
extending
the
road
infrastructure
of
julian
scholl's
drive,
so
you're
going
to
come
through
the
retail
village,
and
then
that
road
is
extended
all
the
way
through
out
to
cpnl
drive.
So
those
are
the
two
entrances
into
the
community,
one
on
lung
shoals
and
one
on
cp
l
drive
from
julian
shoals
drive.
A
There
are
six
multi-story
multi-family
apartment
buildings
and
22-story
attached
town
home
style
units
for
a
total
of
198
units
proposed
to
support
those
198
units.
320
surface
parking
spaces
are
also
proposed,
as
well
as
some
six
foot
wide
sidewalks
that
are
along
julian
scholl's
drive,
as
well
as
the
the
drive
aisles
and
along
the
buildings
connecting
the
community
buildings
to
one
another
also
included
included.
Are
some
excuse
me
some
community
amenities,
including
a
clubhouse
and
a
pool
in
one
second.
A
Apologize
there
here
are
a
couple
sort
of
architectural
renderings,
giving
you
a
sense
of
what
the
buildings
are
expected
to
look
like
and
the
materials
proposed.
This
is
one
of
the
three
story:
buildings
showing
the
interior
staircases,
the
mix
of
paneling
and
a
stone
veneer.
I
assume
that's
a
stone
veneer
and
just
the
general
style
using
similar
materials
will
be
reflected
in
the
the
walk-up
two-story
townhomes
as
well.
So
the
community
will
have
a
more
kind
of
cohesive
appearance,
but
it
provides
a
different
kind
of
housing
type.
A
A
The
application
increases
the
supply
of
housing,
particularly
housing,
that
is
in
proximity
to
employment
parks,
shopping
opportunities,
all
of
the
things
that
are
conveniences
to
the
individual
living
there,
and
this
application
does
include
affordable
housing.
The
applicant
has
committed
to
10
percent
of
the
units
to
be
set
aside
as
affordable
and
half
of
those
units
will
also
accept
housing
vouchers.
A
This
project
is
not
located
in
any
special
design
review
areas,
so
it's
a
there's
only
one
step
before
the
plan:
zoning
commission,
one
step
after
so
this
project
has
already
been
reviewed
by
the
technical
review
committee.
Back
in
january,
it
was
approved
with
conditions
should
the
count.
Should
the
commission
support
it
this
evening
they
will
move
on
to
city
council
for
final
review
and
approval.
A
All
of
our
conditional
zonings
also
include
a
list
of
project
conditions
that
were
included
in
your
packet.
We
try
to
identify
any
technical
modifications
that
may
be
associated
with
the
application.
In
this
particular
case,
we
do
have
sidewalks
that
are
less
than
10
feet
in
width,
which
is
the
sort
of
baseline
requirement
for
residential
expansion.
A
What
we
typically
do,
though,
you've
probably
heard
me
say
this
with
some
of
the
other
applications
as
we
try
to
look
contextually
at
the
proposal.
Does
it
make
sense?
Is
it
in
a
kind
of
an
urbanite
like
a
very
urban
area
such
as
our
just
on
the
edges
of
our
downtown
or
along
corridors
like
the
you.
A
Of
our
more
heavily
traveled
corridors,
or
does
it
make
sense
to
look
at
a
different
kind
of
sidewalk
cross
section?
In
this
case,
the
applicant
is
doing
the
six
foot
back
of
curb.
A
There
are
also
some
compact
parking
spaces
proposed
they're
technically
non-compliant,
because
the
udo
does
require
the
9x18
space,
but
we
have
seen
other
applications
with
some
compact
parking
spaces.
There
is
a
reduced
front
setback.
That's
that
internal
setback
along
julian
shulls
road.
We
treat
julian
shoals
as
the
the
road
frontage
or
the
main
road,
the
primary
road
for
that
multi-family
development,
so
those
apartment
buildings
are
a
little
bit
encroaching
into
the
expected
front
setback.
A
A
In
this
particular
case,
julian
scholl's
drive,
you
know
we're
not
sure
what
kind
of
bike
activity
to
expect,
but
the
drive
is
wide
enough
to
possibly
add
bike
lanes
or
sharers
at
some
point
in
the
future.
If
it
seems
appropriate
to
do
so,
and
then
there
is
a
small
tree,
canopy
reduction
proposed.
The
the
requirement
for
property
in
this
area
is
15.
A
So
they
kind
of
did
that
calculation
and
figured
out
that
well,
if
we
just
reduce
their
overall
requirement
by
two
percent,
it
kind
of
makes
it
all
equal.
I
hope
that
makes
sense.
Let
me
know
if
I
need
to
explain
that
better,
some
other
project
conditions.
Of
course
there
are
the
198
residential
units.
A
There
are
the
the
elevations
and
the
site
plan
that
kind
of
limit
the
density
mass
scale
of
the
projects
to
be
consistent
with
others
along
the
corridor.
We
have
10
percent
of
those
residential
units
set
aside
to
be
affordable.
The
applicant
is
also
proposing
to
include
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
in
the
development.
As
well
as
solar
lights
in
the
parking
area,
that
concludes
my
recommendation
and
and
to
summarize
staff,
does
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning.
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
I
know
the
developer
and
their
project
team
is
here
as
well
and
may
want
to
add
some
additional
information.
C
Thank
you,
miss
took,
I
was
looking
at
this
and
it
says
it's
a
198
multi-family
units
and
then
20
attached
town
homes.
So
it's
technically
218
residential
units
total
correct.
A
N
C
Right
great,
so
then
that's
that,
then
I
wanted
to
get
these
numbers
right
because
then
the
10
of
affordable
is
based
on
the
218
which
would
get
us
to
22
total,
affordable
units,
11
of
which
are
accepting
the
housing
choice
vouchers.
If
all
of
my
math
is
correct,
your
math
is
correct.
Okay,
great!
Thank
you,
mr
stevens.
C
K
So
I
drive
by
this
property
a
lot
and
it
this
lot's
already
partially
cleared.
So
this
this
condition
is
just
or
this
proposal
is
just
including
that
middle
one.
A
K
Then
my
second
question
was:
you
know
what
the
distance
to
the
the
lakefront
is.
You
know
what's
that,
what's
that
buffer
zone,
how
big
is
that
and
what's
the
developers
plans
on
you
know
protecting
that?
But
I'll
leave
that
for
mr
stevens
and
mister
it's
caught
to
explain
that.
A
I
I
can
just
let
you
know
that
the
there
is
a
sort
of
like
an
aquatic
stream
buffer.
We
have
those
buffers
and
the
applicant
or
this
application
does
comply
with
that,
and
there
is
no
proposal
to
connect
to
the
water
body,
and
I
believe
that
was
at
the
request
of
some
of
the
other
stakeholders
in
the
area
and
I'll.
Let
mr
kocot
explain
that
further.
C
F
I
just
had
a
question
on
something
that
was
mentioned
in
the
staff
report.
It
says
that
a
board
of
adjustment
variants
was
granted
on
september
28
2020
to
waive
sidewalk
requirements
along
cpnl
drive.
So
what
at
that
point,
could
you
just
walk
through
that
process
like
we?
There
wasn't
a
site
plan
proposed
at
that
point
or
a
use.
It
was
just
an
application
to
not
have
to
provide
a
sidewalk.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
application
came
about
as
part
of
the
other
retail
application
and
it
it
only
waved
sidewalk
past
the
entrance,
the
so
the
approximate
entrance
here.
Let
me
go
to
the
so.
The
entrance
into
the
community
along
julian
shoals
is
located
here.
Sidewalk
will
be
required
from
this
entrance
out
to
long
shoals.
It's
just
the
portion
of
the
sidewalk
along
the
road
frontage
from
the
entrance
towards
the
the
duke
facility,
and
it's
there
really
isn't
good
opportunity
to
turn
around
or
access
or
anything.
It's
it's
really
kind
of
restricted
access.
A
I
suppose
so
I
think
the
given
the
nature
of
the
use,
the
the
the
board
of
adjustment
granted
that
request.
H
C
Well,
let's
go
ahead
and
hear
from
the
applicant,
then
either
mr
stevens.
I
suppose
you're
going
to
do
the
presentation.
M
I
will
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
wyatt
stephens,
for
lat
purser
and
associates
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
back
in
front
of
you
this
evening.
This
is
a
pretty
exciting
project,
but
but
I
want
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
first
about
my
client,
so
lat
purser
is
based
in
charlotte.
M
It's
a
development
company
that
started
in
1961
with
me
today
is
adam
purser,
he's
the
third
generation
of
that
family
he
and
his
dad
and
his
brother
and
then
his
grandfather
who
started
it,
have
built
a
very
successful
business,
all
along
the
east
coast
from
the
northeast
all
the
way
to
florida,
they've
developed
in
charlotte,
charleston,
savannah
and
raleigh,
and
this
will
be
their
first
actual
development
that
they
were
going
to
do
in
asheville,
and
they
want
to
do
it
right
and
they
want
to
have
a
project
that
is
energy
efficient
will
hopefully
get
green
builder
certification
and
they
plan
to
use
architecture
that
is
known
as
mountain,
modern
and
I'll
show
you
that
in
just
a
minute
you
saw
it
earlier
when
miss
tuck
demonstrated
it.
M
But
it's
you
know,
sort
of
almost
a
norwegian
style
design.
Thank
you
that
you
just
don't
see
around
here
and
you
know
all
of
us
on
this.
Webex
have
have
seen
multi-family
projects
over
the
last
five
to
ten
years
and
a
lot
of
them
kind
of
have
a
similar
look.
Well,
this
will
be
different.
This
will
be
fresh.
It
will
be,
you
know,
kind
of
an
exciting
change
on
a
kind
of
a
cool
piece
of
property.
M
Like
commissioner
faircloth
I
live
in
south
asheville,
I'm
intimately
familiar
with
this
site.
I've
been
eager
to
see
something
go
in
after
they
cleared
it
and
what
will
go
in
on
the
on
the
back
end
of
this
11
acres
will
be
exactly
what
the
city
said.
They
wanted
with
the
urban
center
rezoning
recently,
which
is
walkable,
dense,
infill,
together
with
retail
nearby.
M
Where
folks
can
live,
there
work
there
and
they
can
walk
to
adjacent
shopping.
You
know
the
ingles
on
long
shoals.
Road
is
literally
right
next
door
to
this
project,
and
you
know
you.
We
all
know
the
the
retail,
the
boats
angles
and
the
strip
centers
and
the
restaurants
and
things
that
have
that
have
gone
in
already
well,
there's
going
to
be
additional
retail
on
the
front
side
between
this
development
and
long
shoals,
road-
and
you
know,
there's
a
there's-
a
nice
sidewalk
along
long
shoals
road.
M
Now,
if
I,
if
I
can
share
screen
real
quickly,
I
want
to
just
show
that
access
miss
tuck.
Can
I
do
it?
Can
I
do
that
or
okay
great,
let
me
hold
on
just
a
second
all
right:
okay,.
M
All
right,
so
you
you
can
see
here
and
marty
who
is
with
us
tonight
as
well.
Marty
kocott,
is
the
civil
engineer,
he's
very
familiar
with
this
property
and
can
answer
any
questions
you
have,
but
he
he
drew
in
here
on
in
orange,
the
sidewalk
access
from
this
development
that
will
go
up
to
long
shoals
road
and
you
can
see
there
where
you
would
cross
at
the
traffic
light
right
into
the
engel
shopping
center
there.
M
And
but
then
you
know
you
have
this
nice
sort
of
contained
development
up
against
the
lake,
but
to
be
clear,
we're
not
connecting
to
the
lake.
M
This
property
right
here
is
owned
by
progress
energy.
If
they're
able
to
acquire
it,
that'll
be
an
additional
buffer,
but
certainly
there's
no
plan
that
we're
aware
of
that.
That
would
ever
be
developed
and
so
the
net
effect
it's
a
little
hard
to
tell.
But
the
net
effect
is
we're
going
to
have
25
percent
of
open
space
on
this
project,
which
is
pretty
remarkable.
I
want
to
speak
briefly
to
the
tree
canopy
question
and
put
a
little
context
around
that
so
yeah
it's.
M
It
is
just
a
bald
clear
lot
now,
but
once
all
of
this
comes
in
and
the
retail
comes
in
you're
going
to
see
a
ton
of
landscaping
and
you're
going
to
see
trees
and
greenery
and
it's
going
to
really
bring
up
make
it
come
alive.
M
But
if
we
were
forced
to
include
you
know
areas
like
the
the
bmps
and
the
and
and
the
easements
for
progress
energy
where
they
would
not
allow
us
to
plant
plants.
But
then
we
just
took
that
same
calculation
and
we
put
the
plants
where
we
could
plant
plants
they
they
would.
They
would
crowd
each
other
out
and
so
and
and
marty
can
speak
to
that.
If
anybody
has
any
questions
so,
instead
we're
still
going
to
fully
comply
with
the
tree.
M
Canopy
ordinance
we're
just
not
going
to
include
those
areas
where
we
literally
can't
build
or
plant
trees
and
and
so
forth.
But
you
know
this:
this
project
will
have
all
kinds
of
green
features.
It's
going
to
have
a
solar
on
the
clubhouse.
It's
going
to
have
solar
parking
lights,
led
you
know
low
low
energy
usage
lighting,
low
flow,
you
know,
plumbing
and
and
water
features.
M
I
mean
I
mean
the
plumbing
features:
ev
charging
stations,
it's
going
to
have
a
bike
maintenance
facility,
so
in
addition
to
bike,
storage
and
bike
racks,
all
of
which,
in
full
compliance
with
the
udo
you're,
actually
going
to
be
able
to
take
your
bike
in
and
there'll,
be
tools
and
things
that
you
can
work
on
it.
You
know
adam
is
here,
he's
a
he's,
a
big
mountain
biker
and
he
sort
of
envisions
folks.
You
know
working
on
their
bikes
after
they
come
back
from
a
day
out
at
bent
creek.
M
So
you
know,
let
me
show
the
renderings
real
quick.
You
know
to
me.
This
is
exciting.
This
is
something
we
don't
have
in
the
area
and
it's
going
to
sort
of
set
a
new
standard.
I
think
these
town
homes
there's
20
of
them.
You
know
that's
a
that's
a
missing
product
in
our
community.
In
that
you
know
it,
you
would
rent
them,
but
you
know
you
don't
have
anybody
on
top
or
below
you.
You
just
have
folks.
M
M
If
you're
familiar
with
that
part
of
town,
you
know
that
it's
right
across
the
street,
diagonally
from
from
the
valley,
springs
middle
school
right
down
the
road
from
tc,
robertson
and
estes
elementary,
I
mean
it's
all
right
there
I
mean
people
could
actually
walk
to
school.
If
they
wanted
to,
you
can
walk
down
to
biltmore
park.
You
got
to
cross
long
shoals
and
you
know
that's
a
big
road,
but
there
there
is
a
crosswalk
down
there.
It's
half
a
mile
away.
M
This
is
what
we
said.
We
wanted
with
the
urban
center
rezoning
project
of
a
few
months
ago,
and
this
is
what
we're
getting
from
the
lat
purser
development.
I
I'm
you
know,
I'm
really,
as
you
can
tell
excited
about
it,
the
the
affordability
you
know,
that
is
something
that
they're
committed
to
and
offered
right
out
of
the
box.
10
affordable,
that's
22,
affordable
units
at
no
cost
to
the
city
of
asheville.
M
Adam
has
been
in
conversation
with
the
housing
authority
already,
and
he
envisions
a
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
them
so
that
they
are
literally
ready
to
go
as
soon
as
those
units
are
ready
to
take
advantage
of
those
housing
vouchers
and
and
put
10
to
11
of
them
to
use
in
a
in
a
great
neighborhood
in
south
asheville.
M
So
you
know
we
had
to
do
a
traffic
impact
analysis
for
the
whole
site,
and
if
you
looked
at
the
staff
report,
you
saw
that
there
are
things
that
will
have
to
be
done
in
terms
of
lanes
and
so
forth,
all
of
which
will
be
done
as
a
condition
of
approval
and
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
on
long
shoals
road.
M
But
as
someone
who
lives
down
there,
it
actually
flows
pretty
well,
and
we
believe
that
the
the
traffic
study
shows
this
will
certainly
not
make
it
any
worse
and
and
the
things
we're
going
to
do
to
make
it
better
will
will
mitigate
any
any
ad
to
the
traffic
from
this
project.
So
with
that
I'll
stop
talking,
I
appreciate
everybody's
time
this
evening.
As
I
said
marty's
here,
we
think
we
have
somebody
from
bb
m
the
architecture
firm.
They
can
speak
as
well,
but
with
that
I
will
I'll
stop
talking.
C
Thank
you,
mr
stevens.
There
any
commission
questions
from
the
commissioners
for
the
developers.
E
Yeah
my
quick
question
was:
was
it
a
need
for
extra
stop
lights
in
that
area
or
is
it
everything
looks
good
as
far
as
the
traffic
study
based
off
the
results.
N
Sure,
as
shannon
mentioned
earlier,
this
is
sort
of
a
combination
of
different
projects
that
I've
had
a
part
in
since
2015.,
okay
and
over
at
the
bojangles,
which
is
the
main
intersection
for
julian
scholes
drive.
N
We
have
a
signalization
approval
from
the
dod
and
we've
posted
the
bond
for
that,
and
that
section
of
longshore's
road
will
have
a
signal
added
that
controls
that
entrance
and,
of
course,
cpnl
drive
on
the
other
side
of
the
project
where
julian
shoals
drive
tees
into,
will
also
have
a
current
signal.
That'll
be
upgraded
and
be
synchronized
as
part
of
the
installation.
K
Thanks
mr
cocotten
thanks
mr
stevens
for
a
good
presentation.
I
like
that
this
certainly
checks
a
lot
of
boxes
for
me
in
this
area,
and
I
live
right
next
to
this,
I
see
it
fairly,
often
two
or
three
times
a
day
I
pass
by
it.
I'm
excited
about
it.
The
the
green
building
certification
you
mentioned
is
that
lead
nc
green
bill.
Can
you
good
good
good.
M
Question,
let
me
let
me
let
marty
you
want.
I
M
L
Yeah
to
answer
your
question:
we're
working
with
southern
energy
management.
It's
a
consultant
to
get
a
green
globe
certification,
so
they'll.
You
know
they
work
through
the
schematic
through
cds
and
then
they're
with
us
through
construction,
we're
doing
blower,
testing
the
units
and
they're
making
sure
all
the
specs
are
in
line
with
those
energy
standards
and
then
they're
helping
us
submit
for
those
green
globes.
So
we
can't
guarantee
we're
going
to
get
one
but
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
qualify
for
the
standards
as
they
sit
in
today.
K
Okay,
yeah,
I
know
miss
kingry,
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
scm
is
helping
you
out
there.
That's
good,
and
I
guess
my
question
to
the
staff
is
you
know,
can
we
make
those
kind
of
things
a
condition
or
can
we
can
we
force
their
hand
on
that,
or
does
that
have
to
be
something?
We
wait
for.
A
If
the
applicant
was
agreeable
to
the
condition,
we
could
certainly
make
it
a
condition,
but
it
sounds
based
on
what
mr
purser
has
just
said,
that
they're
not
it's
going
to
be
a
performance
based.
I
think
it
sounds,
and
so
we
won't
know
if
they
actually
achieve
that
certification.
Until
I
think
after
it's
constructed.
M
M
We
we
think
it
will
be
not
only
good
for
the
project
and
good
for
the
environment,
but
it'll
it'll
it'll
actually
be
successful
for
the
development
we
think
folks
will
want
to
live
in
a
place
that
has
that
certification.
So
you
know
lat
purser
has
a
you
know
powerful
motive
to
get
that
done.
K
Okay,
thank
you
and
my
second
comment
or
question.
I
guess
is
you
know.
I
appreciate
that
you're
trying
to
work
in
the
tree,
canopy
requirements
to
the
best
of
your
abilities.
K
M
That's
that's
fair
marty.
You
want
to
jump
in
on
that.
I
would
assume
that
the
area
where
the
pool
is
going
is
part
of
the
area
that
is
the
denominator
being
used
to
determine
how
many
trees
we
have
to
put
in.
N
So
we
are
trying
to
target
as
many
larger
trees
as
possible
and
if
you
start
looking
at
the
spacing
within
the
plantable
areas,
what
was
happening
is
that
the
tree
spacing
ends
up
being
15
feet
or
20
feet,
and
you
know
when
a
tree
grows,
we're
familiar
with
it.
You
know
if
they're
too
crowded
the
canopy
doesn't
leave
out
right.
N
They
don't
get
good
coverage,
so
what
we
were
trying
to
do
is
create
a
spacing
similar
to
the
40-foot,
spacing
that
you
would
have
on
street
trees
where
you
actually
get
a
good
canopy
of
growth
and
we
can
mix
in
the
medium
trees
and
the
smaller
trees
in
an
arrangement
that
creates
an
actual
you
know,
sustainable
and
for
lack
of
a
better
word
forest
or
treed
area
that
the
residents
can
go
down
and
enjoy
and
see
and
visit.
N
C
That
everything's
good
yes,
commissioner
levi.
G
Yes,
shannon,
I
remember
in
your
presentation,
you
said
some
of
the
roads
have
room
for,
say,
bike
lanes
or
other
uses.
Would
it
be
possible
to
get
some
clarification
on
that,
because
I
see
that
I
saw
that
the
sidewalks
were
narrow,
well,
not
narrow,
but
less
than
10
feet,
and
so
maybe,
if
marty.
N
N
Okay,
that
additional
width
when
you
get
over
to
the
commercial
center
part
of
the
reason
we
propose
the
sidewalks
along
the
back
of
curb
is
so
they
actually
line
up
with
the
existing
sidewalks
that
are
in
place.
Okay,
given
a
uniform
look,
but
what
it
also
provides.
It
provides
spacing
behind
the
sidewalks
for
street
trees
and
landscaping
planting
okay.
So
that's
why
we
did
that
that
extra
width
will
actually
work
to
allow
if
a
bicycle
is
traveling
or
pedestrians
are
crossing
the
street.
N
It
provides
extra
sight,
distance
and
maneuver
maneuverability,
so
to
speak
on
your
bicycle,
to
ride
over
into
the
shopping
center
and
perhaps
get
a
bite
to
eat
or
pick
something
up
and
ride
your
bike
back
to
the
apartments.
So
it
is
what
we
felt
was
a
great
compromise,
as
opposed
to
striping
in
bike
lanes
and
encouraging
folks
to
ride
their
bicycle
out
on
long
shoals.
N
J
A
C
I
mean
I
would
even
go
as
far
as
to
say
that
that
extra
width
is
somewhat
discouraging
to
pedestrians
in
the
sense
that
it's
encouraging
cars
to
drive
faster.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
lots
of
studies
that
show
out
there
that
the
narrower
the
narrower
the
street
width
is
the
slower
you're
gonna
drive.
Just
because
you
know
you
don't
have
as
much
width
you're
wondering
if
there
is.
C
C
This
room,
I
can
go
faster,
so
you
know
given,
given
that
extra
width
I
I
certainly
think
shiro's
in
the
road
would
be
applicable
and
I
would
almost
want
to
want
to
advocate
for
pretty
strongly
for
either
some
raised
crosswalks
and
a
couple
of
you
know
maybe
some
specific
areas
you
know,
maybe
that
that
direct
drive
access
where
there's
you
know
would
be
a
crosswalk,
I'm
looking
at
it
on
my
screen
as
far
as
the
site
plan,
but
that
it's
straight
out
to
long
shoals,
perhaps
a
you
know,
speed
hump
style,
crosswalk
again
thinking
about
it
from
traffic,
not
only
traffic
calming,
but
also
encouraging
and
making
you
know
making.
M
N
Yes,
we
did
discuss
this.
We
actually
had
a
conversation
yesterday
about
trying
to
incorporate
what
you
call
a
speed
table
which
is
city,
detail,
3.28
and
then
on
top.
If
we
position
those
that
line
up
directly
with
the
sidewalk
crossings,
as
they
are,
the
pedestrian
crossings
of
julian
shoals
drive,
then
on
top
of
the
speed
table,
we
would
also
stripe
out
what
we
call
a
high
visibility
crosswalk,
which
is
standard
3.30
in
the
city
detail
manual.
N
So
we've
been
thinking
about
ways
to
try
to
slow
traffic
down
but
not
eliminate.
You
know
there
will
be
the
potential
for
trucks
to
use
julian
scholes
drive
when
they
service
the
commercial
section
up
front
and
moving
trucks
coming
in
and
out.
So
what
we
didn't
want
to
do
is
overburden
and
create
speed
bumps
but
create
more
of
the
speed
table.
N
Whereas
if
you
drive
slow
enough,
you
can
climb
up
the
side,
go
across,
that's
similar
to
the
crosswalks
at
the
airport,
for
any
of
you,
folks
that
have
been
out
there
where
it
doesn't
change
materials,
but
it
does
create
a
speed
table
for
you
to
slow
down
and
recognize
that
potentially
there
could
be
a
pedestrian
going
across
julian
shoals.
Drive
at
that
point.
N
C
That
that's
exactly
what
I'm
referring
to
mr
cocot.
You
know,
I
know
the
speed
tables
of
the
speed
hump
speed
table.
You
know
that.
Certainly
you
know
when
you're
talking
to
like
emergency
services.
They
far
prefer
that,
because
it
is,
it
does
provide
that
traffic
calming,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
slow,
doesn't
slow
down
emergency
vehicles
as
much
and
certainly
is
easier.
You
know,
obviously,
for
larger
trucks.
Yes,
commissioner
barton.
F
Thank
you,
chair
archibald,
and
thank
you,
mr
stevens,
mr
coccott.
I
I
appreciate
that
you've
looked
into
so
extensively
the
the
traffic
calming
measure
speed
table,
but
to
be
clear,
this
julian
scholes
drive
is
it's
not
intended
to
become
a
public
street
right.
This
is
going
to
be
a
private
drive
in
perpetuity
you're,
just
kind
of
following
the
best
practices
outlined
in
the
city's
design
standards
manual.
Correct,
okay,
great,
my
a
couple
of
comments.
F
You
know.
I
appreciate
the
the
voluntary
commitment
to
10
affordability
that
I
think
provides
good
alignment
with
the
comp
plan
and,
as
you
know,
you
know
we
need.
F
That
we
can
get
here
in
nashville
so
appreciate
that
aspect
and
also
the
the
ev
charging
is
a
a
great
feature.
I
think
it
really
speaks
to
our
market
and
I'm
glad
that
you're
providing
that
and
that
there
is
demand
for
that
in
our
area.
It's
forward-looking
and
I
hope
to
see
more
of
that
in
multi-family
that
comes
before
us
in
the
future.
My
question
on
your
diagram
that
you
just
had
up
mr
stevens:
what
is
the
timing
of
those
connections
out
to
to
long
shoals?
N
And
let
me
explain
that
to
you,
the
commercial
section
where
the
bojangles
is
to
the
northeast
of
the
project,
and
you
see
the
north
arrow
on
the
drawing
so
up
against
longshots
road
on
the
right
side
of
the
plan
to
the
north.
N
That
development
is
in
place
the
shaded
areas
and
parking
lot
that
you
see,
along
with
the
yellow,
sidewalks
or
orange
sidewalks,
as
I
have
them
shaded
that
is
currently
in
place.
So
if
you
were
to
go
to
that
development,
you
would
see
those
sidewalks
okay
to
the
left
side
along
cp
l
drive
to
the
northwest
of
the
project.
N
The
long
shoals
village
project
was
initially
approved
and
we
have
recently
amended
that
project.
However,
both
buildings
are
now
committed
for
and
will
be
developed,
and
we
have
reskinned
the
lake
julian
crossing
project,
which
the
approval
number
is
there
on
that
sheet
to
include
these
sidewalks?
Okay,
it
is
probably
a
year
ahead
of
the
multi-family
development.
At
this
point
we
have
a
grading
permit.
The
site
has
been
rough
graded
as
any
of
you
that
live
near
there
go
by
and
take
a
look
at
it.
N
N
If
you
look
at
the
property
maps
or
you
will
notice
that
duke
energy
or
cp
l
progress
energy,
all
those
different
names
at
one
time,
it's
still
a
progress
energy
parcel
where
their
sign
used
to
sit
for
access
to
the
duke
energy
plant
over
the
high
hazard
dam.
They
have
since
reconfigured
their
main
entrance
to
the
power
plant
and
they
go
in
a
different
route.
So
that
was
part
of
the
reason
that
we
eliminated
or
asked
for
the
sidewalk
reduction
past
our
entrance.
We
are,
however,
committed
to
building
that
orange
sidewalk
along
cp.
N
L
drive
all
the
way
out
to
the
existing
sidewalk
that
parallels
longshore's
road,
okay,
so
all
of
the
parcels
to
the
northeast
and
northwest
are
planned
and
will
be
in
place
prior
to
the
multi
family.
The
additional
parcel
that
connected
them,
both,
which
is
the
long
skinny
parcel
in
between-
and
I
show
one
kind
of
orange
sidewalk-
that
meanders
through
the
site
and
due
to
grading
concerns
and
trying
to
keep
these
sidewalks
at
a
maximum
five
percent
grade.
We
were
required
to
meander
it
through
that
site.
N
That
middle
parcel
will
be
a
level
two
submittal
through
the
trc.
The
way
I
understand
the
development
rules
and
that
sidewalk
and
that
development
in
that
area
is
somewhat
conceptual,
but
it
will
be
refined
as
we
obtain
more
information,
you
can
see
our
plan
for
it
and
our
plan
works
and
it
complies
with
dot
requirements
for
access,
we're
trying
to
make
sure
we
can
navigate
through
that
site
safely,
with
the
sidewalk
in
a
sensible
way
without
impacting
the
other
development
portions
that
are
already
built.
Okay,.
C
All
right,
let's
go
ahead
and
open
for
public
comment
at
6
15..
Mr
two:
is
there
anybody
in
the
queue
for
public
comment.
C
Regarding
the
let's
call
them
speed
tables,
because
I
do
believe
that
is
the
correct
terminology
it
it
sounds
like
the
applicant
is,
has
been
pursuing
that
is
willing
to
pursue
it.
Is
that
something-
and
this
is
kind
of
a
question
for
you-
miss
tuck-
that
would
necessarily
need
to
be
in
the
conditions
table.
C
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
mr
seaman,
and
that's
exactly
miss
tuck.
You
you
hit
it
right
where
I
was
going
with.
I
do
think
it
would
improve
again
that
access
across
julian
scholes,
you
know
it
is
a
private
drive.
I
do
have
concerns.
You
know
it's
pretty
straight.
I
know
there's
some
great
change,
but
I
think
everybody
knows
that
you
know
people.
C
A
A
A
This
to
be
a
road
right-of-way,
just
be
privately
maintained,
not
publicly
maintained.
However,
even
though
it's
private,
it's
still
built
to
a
public
standard.
So
if
the
applicant
later
thinks
that
they
would
prefer
to
have
the
city
maintain
it,
they
could
always
petition
the
city
to
potentially
maintain
it.
C
N
We
don't
necessarily
want
it
to
accumulate,
so
I
want
to
give
some
thought
to
it
and
again
we
haven't
had
enough
time
to
look
at
the
actual
profiles
and
where
our
drainage
structures
are
in
relation
to
the
sidewalks,
so
we
we
certainly
will
commit
to
adding
traffic
calming
devices
that
encourage
pedestrian
crossings
of
julian
shoals
drive.
If
that's
a
statement
that
we
can
add
to
the
conditions.
C
Thank
you
for
that
and
yes,
I
certainly
would
not
want
to
you
know
it's
not
one
that
I
would
say
it
needs
to
be
right
here,
because
I
haven't
spent
enough
time.
You
know
looking
at
the
site
and-
and
your
point
is
well
taken
with
with
stormwater
runoff
and
things
like
that,
so
I
think
it
can
be
very
much.
You
know
the
statement
that
you
made
of
traffic
calming
devices
along
julian
scholes,
julian
scholes
drive.
C
So
are
there
any
other
comments
from
the
commissioners?
I
know
that
you
know,
commissioner
faircloth,
you
brought
up
the
sustainability
portion
and
I
certainly
understand
you
know
mr
purser
and
mr
stevens
brought
up.
You
know
it.
It
is
something
that
they're
willing
or
they're
going
to
be
pursuing,
but
it
is
with
a
lot
of
these
certifications.
C
You
don't
know
if
you,
if
you
pass
until
you
get
that
final.
You
know
final
testing.
However,
it
is
also
one
that
you
know
in
thinking
about.
You
know
like
the
public
benefits
table
for
hotels,
lead
certification
is
in
there,
and
so
you
know
attaining
it
and
and
knowing
that
you've
got
it
right
at
the
end,
you
know.
Maybe
you
overshoot
so
that
you
know
you
get
it.
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
is,
commissioner
faircloth.
C
Is
that
something
you
really
feel
strongly
about
and
would
would
want
to
have
as
a
condition
or
are
there
any
other
commission
members
that
would
want
that?
I
know
that
that
council
is
starting
to
really
look
at
these
sustainability
issues,
so
that
that's
why
I'm
I
just
want
to
focus
a
few
more
minutes
on
it.
K
I'm
content
with
mr
pursers
and
mr
stevens
mr
kocott's
commitment
to
having
sem
look
at
it.
I
think
in
the
bigger
picture
going
forward,
I'd
love
to
see
there
be
some
kind
of
standard
we
can
put
in
there.
But
at
this
point
I'm
content
with
the
answers
from
the
applicant.
C
Okay,
thanks,
like
I
said
you
know,
I
know
I've
talked
to
some
council
members
recently,
and
that
is
something
they
they
are
starting
to.
Look
at
this
more
so
I
would
also
you
know,
I'm
bringing
that
up.
You
know
for
you,
mr
stevens
and
mr
purser,
that
they
may
they
may
hear
that
and
and
want
some
requirement
for
that
in
the
conditions.
So,
if
there's
no
further
comments,
certainly
happy
to
to
take
a
motion.
F
A
F
Congratulations,
no
problem.
I'll
start.
That
again,
I
moved
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
the
addresses
included
on
the
exhibit
a
map
from
community
business.
2
cb2
to
residential
expansion,
conditional
zone
res
exp
cz
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
one
supports
infill
development
in
a
strategically
located
area
targeted
for
growth.
C
And
we
should
note
that
it
also.
This
motion
includes
the
addition
of
a
condition
to
include
traffic
calming
that's
not
really.
I
C
Thank
you
along
julian
scholes
drive
and
I'll
second
that
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I'll
do
another
roll
call
vote.
Mr
hoke
hi,
commissioner
faircloth
aye,
commissioner
barton
aye,
commissioner
levi.
G
C
M
C
All
right
so
moving
right
along
hang
on
a
second.
Let
me
pull
this
back
up.
Our
last
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
multiple
properties
located
at
427
broadway
street
from
neighborhood
corridor
to
neighborhood
corridor.
Conditional
zone
property
is
identified
as
pins
9649
11
25
59
35
14
35,
92,
34,
83,
43,
59
and
43
86.
C
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
to
kick
things
off.
I
just
provide
the
commission
a
little
bit
of
context
for
the
properties
you
can
see.
The
the
request
includes
six
parcels
located
along
broadway
street.
This
is
in
north
asheville,
right
on
the
it's
actually
right
on
the
border
between
the
montford,
neighborhood
and
five
points.
So
here
you
see
the
subject:
properties
identified
and
hatched
in
red
this.
This
side
of
broadway
is
part
of
the
montford
neighborhood
and
the
opposite.
Side
of
broadway
is
part
of
the
five
points
neighborhoods.
A
For
a
little
bit
of
context,
you
can
see
that
the
six
parcels
are
located
at
the
intersection
of
cobble
street
and
broadway,
and
there
is
also
I'll
just
point
out
reed
creek,
which
runs
behind
the
back
of
the
subject
properties.
The
request
is
to
conditionally
rezone
the
property
from
neighborhood
corridor
district
to
neighborhood
corridor
district
cz.
A
The
application
that
you
just
completed
in
review
was
the
was
a
request
due
to
the
size
of
the
project,
so
a
project
over
50
units
or
over
100
000
square
feet
requires
a
conditional
zoning
to
one
of
the
city's
expansion
districts.
A
Another
reason
is
if
the
uses
that
are
being
proposed
aren't
allowed
in
the
underlying
zoning
district.
A
good
example
of
that
would
be
the
asheville
family,
dentistry
application
that
the
commission
rece
reviewed
a
month
or
two
ago.
That
was
a
case
where
we
had
residential
property.
They
wanted
to
put
a
dentist
office
offices,
aren't
normally
allowed
in
residential
districts,
so
we
re-zone
the
property.
A
So
here
you
can
see
the
subject
properties
outlined
in
red
there
you
can
see.
The
property
is
largely
undeveloped.
There
is
a
single
remaining
building
on
the
property
that
is
proposed
to
be
preserved,
and
you
can
see
again
the
intersection
of
couple
street
and
broadway
broadway
being
the
main
thoroughfare.
A
In
addition
to
a
zoning
change,
we
are
contemplating
also
or
recommending
a
small
change
in
the
future
land
use
map.
You
can
see
that
the
subject
properties
most
of
it
is
designated
traditional
corridor,
which
is
consistent
with
the
application
that's
being
proposed.
A
However,
you
can
see
that
there
are
these
two
or
two
and
a
half
parcels
to
the
south
that
are
designated
parks
open
space,
and
we
would
recommend
that,
should
this
application
be
supported,
that
we
change
that
designation
to
parks
open
or
excuse
me
to
traditional
corridor,
so
that
the
properties
are
all
consistent,
and
that
is
what
it
would
look
like
on
the
right
hand,
side
if
that
were
to
be
supported.
A
So
here
is
the
site
plan
for
the
whole
site.
There
are
three
buildings
included
and
but
two
phases,
the
first
phase-
is
building
a
which
is
well.
Let
me
back
up
for
just
a
moment
and
say
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
things
with
the
larger
master
plan.
You
can
see.
There's
two
access
points
here
on
broadway
street
as
well
as
here
on
cobble
street.
A
We've
got
10
foot
wide
sidewalks
along
broadway
street,
and
then
we
transition
to
six
foot
back
of
curb
that
connects
to
the
greenway
and
then
to
the
sidewalk
and
the
rest
of
the
community.
You
can
see
that
reed
creek
here
running
along
the
back
of
the
property.
There
is
an
aquatic
buffer,
that's
designated!
That's
that
boulder
dash
line
here.
A
So
you
can
see
that
the
development
stays
outside
of
the
aquatic
buffer
and
then,
if
we
zoom
in
most
of
the
project
will
be
included
in
phase
one,
I
kind
of
zoomed
in
on
the
building
a
because
that's
the
more
significant
feature
of
phase
one,
but
it
does
also
include
some
of
that.
The
the
site
plan
or
excuse
me
the
site,
work
that
includes
the
sidewalk
phase.
Two
is
really
limited
to
the
area
directly
around
building
c.
A
So
building
a
is
the
new
large
construction
building
b
is
the
existing
building,
that's
proposed
to
be
preserved
and
then
building
c
will
be
a
smaller
phase
two
building
later
so.
Building
a
here
is
a
four
or
five
story.
Building,
depending
on
which
side
you
are
on
the
front
of
the
building
is
four
stories.
The
back
is
five
stories,
taking
advantage
of
some
topo
change
from
the
front
to
the
back.
A
This
application
also
includes
the
setback
buffer
reductions
and
those
are
some
of
the
modifications
that
I
had
referred
to
earlier.
It
also
includes
building
b,
I'm
going
to
flip
back
to
the
previous
site
plan,
so
here's
that
building
b
that's
the
existing
one
story.
Building
that
exists
today
in
phase
one
building
b
is
proposed
to
be
renovated
with
this
deck
expansion
that
will
be
added,
and
this
is
a
cantilever
deck.
So
we
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
encroachment
into
the
aquatic
buffer.
A
There
are
37
parking
spaces
proposed.
This
does
take
advantage
of
a
parking
reduction
that
is
permitted
in
the
neighborhood
corridor
district,
but
there's
some
additional
contacts
about
parking
that
I'll
get
to
in
a
moment
with
a
later
slide-
and
I
had
already
pointed
out
the
10-foot
wide
sidewalks
along
broadway
phase.
Two
is
that
building
c
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
A
A
I
believe
this
is
a
proposed
office
use,
although
that
is
not
part
of
the
project
conditions,
because
that
hasn't
been
determined
yet,
and
you
can
see
that
six
foot
wide
sidewalk
on
cobble,
I
wrote
broadway
and
cobble
that's
not
correct
it's
six
feet
on
cobble
this
color
rendering
I
think
helps
demonstrate
the
phases
a
little
bit
better.
You
can
see
building
a
and
building
b.
A
Those
are
the
two
buildings
of
phase
one
and
then
all
of
that
site
work
all
of
that
surface
parking
much
of
the
crosswalks
and
walkways
around
the
buildings,
the
dumpster
area.
This
will
all
be
included
in
phase
one
phase.
Two
is
building
c
with
that
last
little
bit
of
sidewalk
infrastructure,
and
you
know
hardscaping
around
the
building
that
will
come
later
also
shown
on
this
illustrative
is
the
is
a
separate
standalone
parking
lot
that
is
not
included
in
this
conditional
zoning
request.
A
A
A
Some
building
elevations
this
is
the
what
I
call
the
north
elevation
or
the
broadway
street
side.
So
you
can
see
there's
a
single
primary
entrance
into
the
building.
You
can
see
the
four
stories
some
of
the
architectural
detailing
that
is
being
proposed.
A
The
rear
of
the
building
against
the
greenway
very
residential
and
character,
you
can
see
some
of
the
balconies
that
will
be
supplied
to
the
units,
the
side,
elevations,
traveling,
north
and
south
on
broadway
and
there's
a
perspective,
drawing
that,
I
think,
does
a
nice
job
of
kind
of
illustrating
the
character
of
the
building
and
the
mix
of
materials.
As
well
as
that.
Elevation
change
that
four
or
five
split
with
the
four
stories
on
the
front
and
the
five
stories
at
the
rear.
A
A
This
application
does
encourage
responsible
growth
by
providing
infill
development
in
a
targeted
growth
area.
The
na
the
broadway
street
corridor
is
a
rapidly
urbanizing
area.
We've
had
several
really
nice
projects
that
are
very
pedestrian
oriented
along
the
corridor.
This
this
project
will
add
to
that.
A
Like
the
previous
application.
This
is
not
located
in
a
design
review
area,
so
it
was
reviewed
by
the
technical
review
committee
last
month
and
approved
with
conditions,
if
approved
this
evening
or
supported
by
the
commission,
will
move
on
to
city
council
for
final
review
and
approval
some
of
the
conditions
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
so
I'm
sorry
I
didn't.
Let
me
go
back
to
the
site
plan
apologize.
A
A
Building
height
is
normally
limited
in
the
neighborhood
corridor
district
to
three
stories,
but
there's
a
buy
right
option
to
allow
a
fourth
story:
if
you
do
wider
setbacks
when
adjacent,
but
only
when
adjacent
to
residentially
zoned
property,
and
so
this
is
actually
what
kind
of
drove
the
switch
from
the
level
2
application
to
the
conditional
zoning.
A
The
purpose
of
that
40
40-foot,
it's
a
40-foot
setback,
that's
required
if
you're
adjacent
to,
if
you're
a
four-story
building
adjacent
to
residential,
and
that
is
really
to
kind
of
help
protect
the
this
is
a
single-family
home.
So
if
there
was
a
single-family
home
directly
adjacent
to
this
property,
we
would
want
that
four-story
building
to
be
pushed
back
some.
However,
this
is
adjacent
to
the
city's
parks
property,
the
greenway
property
that
really
doesn't
have
any
potential
for
future
development.
There
are
no
homes
on
the
property.
A
A
Another
development
requirement
that
gets
triggered
when
you
have
a
commercial
project
next
to
residential
is
a
property
line
buffer.
In
this
case,
it
would
be
a
20
foot
property
line
buffer.
The
applicant
can
actually
comply.
There's
again,
another
buy
ride,
option
that
allows
you
to
reduce
that
20
foot
buffer
to
10
feet.
If
you
also
install
an
opaque
privacy
fence,
the
applicant
doesn't
have
any
problem
doing
the
buffer,
the
vegetated
buffer.
They
just
don't
really
want
to
do
the
fence.
They
think
that
that's
kind
of
unnecessary
and
the
city
agrees.
A
We
don't
necessarily
want
to
wall
off
a
residential
development
from
parks
and
open
space,
so
we
support
eliminating
that
fence.
The
third
requirement
has
to
do
with
the
neighborhood
corridor.
District
has
a
requirement
that
you
provide
a
pedestrian
entrance
every
45
feet
along
the
front
facade.
This
application
has
a
single
primary
entrance
along
the
facade.
A
Again
we've
got
some
elevations
and
site
plans
that
ensure
that
the
project
is
consistent
with
density
mass
scale.
Other
projects
along
the
corridor,
the
architectural
detailing
that
helps
to
break
up
the
facade,
the
mix
of
uses,
also
incorp
included
in
that
we
do
have
a
pedestrian
oriented
design
with
wide
sidewalks
along
broadway.
A
C
B
C
I
Okay,
hans,
we
amended.
Remember
we
amended
that
affordable
housing,
deed
restriction
and
it
we
it
went
30
years
so
on
the
amendment
to
30
years.
I
C
A
I
Yeah-
and
you
might
want
to
ask
hans
about
that-
just
to
give
some
context.
So
everyone
knows
you
know
this.
This
property
was
purchased
from
the
city
and
that
is
how
the
affordable
housing,
when
mr
donglas
bought
it
from
the
city
committed
for
for
these
affordable
housing
conditions,
which
is
why
it's
already
it's
it's
targeted
to
such
a
lower
income
than
we
would
normally
see
in
just
a
typical
conditional
zoning,
but
hans
I
I
don't
know.
I
I
know
we
didn't
talk
about
the
accepting
the
vouchers
at
the
time,
but
you
know
that's
a
condition
you
you
might
be
willing
to
consider.
I
that's
up
to
you.
It
would
be
for
those
same
units.
You
could
use
voucher,
you'd,
be
agreeing
to
accept
vouchers.
O
Yeah
we
we're
not
interested
in
having
it
being
mandatory,
but
we
are
strongly
considering
accepting
them.
We've
we've
had
a
really
strong
pitch
from
the
city
about
why
we
should
and
why
it
could
work
out.
You
know,
so
we
went
back
and
forth
with
the
with
the
affordable
housing
people
about
how
we
could
vet
people
that
were
coming
in
with
vouchers
and
and
it
does
seem
like
it
could
be
positive,
but
we
don't
want
it
to
be
something
that's
conditional
as
far
as
what
we
accept.
A
C
C
Questions
right
now
from
the
commission,
otherwise
we
can
have
the
the
applicant
present.
So
I
see
that
miss
godsey
is
here
obviously
mr
dulgast
and
then
mr
dalton
from
row
house,
architects,
so
I'll.
Let
you
guys
take
it
away.
O
All
right,
so
I
think
that
I've
got
a
weird
echo
going
on
this
thing.
Let
me
try
to
see
if
I
can
change
this.
O
O
The
the
way
that
all
kind
of
came
to
be
is
that
we,
the
city,
owned
that
half-acre
piece,
but
it
was
deemed
to
be
it,
had
all
the
gas
tanks
for
the
gas
station
that
we
had
already
purchased
next
door,
and
so
the
city
you
know
with
their
their
initial
intention,
was
to
potentially
build
affordable
housing
on
that
half-acre
piece
of
property,
but
because
of
it
being
contaminated,
it
precluded
it
from
having
any
housing
built
on
it.
O
So
what
the
city
decided
to
do
was
to
to
work
out
a
deal
with
us,
where
they
essentially
encumbered
all
of
our
property,
as
well
as
any
adjoining
property
that
we
ended
up
acquiring
to
put
affordable
housing
on
that
other
property.
It
was
a
pretty
you
know,
kind
of
you
know
cool,
interesting
way
of
getting
affordable
housing
with
the
use
of
a
contaminated
piece
of
property.
To
do
so.
O
So
the
sale
of
the
contaminated
parcel
went
through
in
2018
with
the
agreement
that,
if
the
two
dot
pieces
that
we
were
trying
to
buy,
a
property
were
acquired
with
the
city's
cooperation
that
they
would
be
that
those
two
dot
parcels
would
be
used
to
build
an
apartment.
Building
the
agreement
stated
the
apartments
would
have
20
percent
of
its
total
units,
affordable
at
60
percent.
O
For
I
guess,
30
years
our
original
intent
was
to
build
eight
affordable
units,
but
since
have
been
able
to
increase
the
density
to
10,
affordable
units
as
a
long
time
resident
and
business
owner
an
employer
in
asheville,
affordable
housing
is
an
issue
I
care
about
greatly.
You
know
running,
you
know
my
company
jade
mountain
builders.
O
It
has
been.
You
know
these
days
if
any
carpenter
that
I
hire
has
to
live.
You
know
30
to
45
minutes
from
town,
otherwise,
there's
no
way
they
can
afford
to
live
in
the
city
of
asheville.
So
it's
you
know
it's
a
big
problem
that
we,
you
know
we
care
about
greatly
and
it
really
affects
our
our
business.
O
So
our
original,
so
the
public-private
partnership
between
my
team
in
the
city
of
asheville,
when
it
all
went
through,
was
celebrated
with
a
round
of
applause
and
lots
of
kind
words
by
city
council
members
at
the
meeting
held
in
2018,
and
then
we,
finally,
after
years
and
years
and
years
of
trying
acquired
the
two
pieces
that
were
presumably
owned
by
the
dot
in
2020..
O
The
second
parcel
didn't
actually
have
a
clear
title,
and
so
the
dot
didn't
own
it
and
we
had
all
kind
of
rigamarole
to
buy
it
from
some
unhoused
people
living
on
the
streets
in
los
angeles.
O
O
Was
that
the
pieces
were
actually,
you
know
deemed
to
be
entirely
undevelopable
with
the
plan
that
we've
been
going
through
due
to
the
incompatible
zoning,
unless
we
entertain
this
conditional
setting.
So
that's
why
we're
here
and
we're
excited
to,
hopefully
have
you
guys
be
on
board,
and
you
know
just
as
another
note
you
know
it
was
already
referred
to
by
shannon,
but
you
know
then
we've
also
you
know
through
all
of
this,
you
know
worked
out.
O
The
city
was,
you
know,
had
always
been
planning
on
building
a
parking
lot
for
for
the
greenway
over
there
across
cobble
street,
so
we
actually
offered
to
build
that
for
the
city
so
that
we
could,
you
know,
have
more
parking
for
our
property
as
well.
As
you
know,
we
we
always
have
you
know
quite
a
number
of
people
that
park
on
our
property
currently
to
to
walk
the
greenway.
So
we've
we've
worked
out
with
a
city
where
we're
gonna,
be
you
know,
building
that
parking
lot
for
the
city.
O
C
Great
thank
you,
mr
dulgast.
I
have
a
couple
of
probably
a
little
more
technical
questions,
a
couple
of
things
that
came
up
just
reading
through
the
the
trc
report
and
the
staff
report.
I
noticed
in
the
trc
report.
There
was
a
comment
about
the
dumpster
and
accessing
a
dumpster
directly
off
of
a
public
street.
I
believe,
is
the
exact
wording.
Miss
tuck.
Is
that
something
you
can
kind
of
comment
on?
I
know
it's
technically.
The
dumpster
isn't
right
on
the
street,
but
the.
A
Right
and
that's
that's
not
typical,
so
that's
why
it
kind
of
came
up
in
trc
and
in
talking
with
the
applicant
about
it.
It
was
just
a
way
that
it
gave
them
the
ability
to
do
more
of
what
they
were
talking
about,
the
housing
and
being
able
to
have
enough
surface
parking
to
support
at
least
the
majority
of
that
housing.
A
A
So
we
did
discuss
it
most
recently
again
at
the
trc,
but
seeing
as
how
this
project
was
so
far
down
the
road
in
its
design,
we
didn't
it
didn't
really
make
sense
to
go
back
and
see
if
we
could
figure
something
else
out,
it
would
have
dramatically
changed
the
project
so.
C
Okay,
that
makes
sense.
You
know,
I
know
the
the
other
reason
I
kind
of
keyed
into
that
is
you
know
it's
not
directly
next
door
to
residential,
but
I
know
there
have
been
complaints
concerns
voiced
among
other
neighborhoods
around
people
in
other
neighborhoods
of
like
commercial
businesses,
butting
right
up
to
residential
districts
and
the
dumpster
companies
showing
up
at
5
00
a.m,
which
clearly.
A
Yeah,
so
the
dumpster,
you
know
it's
gonna,
it's
gotta
go
somewhere
on
the
site
and
it's
it's
gonna,
be
a
potential
noise
issue,
probably
regardless
of
where
it
goes.
In
this
particular
case,
our
concern
was
more
about
from
the
city's
perspective
was
more
about
those
trucks
traveling
over
the
sidewalk.
A
So
we
did
learn
from
the
applicant
or
they
did
were
careful
to
design
so
that
the
trucks
can
completely
cross
the
sidewalks.
So
they
won't
be
blocking
the
sidewalk
as
a
result
of
any
of
their
maneuvering.
So
it's
just
to
cross
over
and
then
cross
back
out.
So
so
that
was
a
positive
of
the
design
and
then
I
think
that
the
construction
of
the
the
the
driveway
sidewalk
that
crossing
piece
that
that'll
all
be
looked
at
our
public
works
department
to
make
sure
that
it
can
withstand
that
movement.
So.
C
What
is
I'm
curious
about
the
phasing
of
this,
and,
and
perhaps
mr
dulgast,
you
can
better
answer
this.
I
mean
what
are
we
talking
about
time
frame
between
you
know?
Obviously,
just
you
know,
building
a
being
done
and
and
the
rest
of
the
site
work
and
then
building
c
coming
on
board.
You
know
it's
perhaps
somewhat
of
a
you
know
a
lot
of
times
we'll
have
a
little
more
information
on
those
other
buildings,
and
so
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
You
know
this.
C
O
So
and
exactly
when,
when
the
the
next
building
gets
built,
isn't
you
know,
isn't
super
clear,
but
we're
gonna
build
the
out
the
entire
site
other
than
just
that
building
you
know
we're
gonna
build
all
the
parking.
I
think
suzanne
can
kind
of.
You
know
probably
answer
that
question
a
little
bit
better
than
I
am
because
I
know
there
there's
a
lot
of
more
technical
things
about
how
we
need
to
do
it
right.
P
Let
me
let
me
interject
if
shannon,
if
you
could
pull
up
the
site
plan
chair,
what
we're
planning
to
do
if
you
could
go
to
that
rendered
one,
because
it
highlights
the
in
that
yellow
color.
What
we're
intending
to
do
is
go
ahead
and
install
all
the
sidewalk
that
we
can
and
south.
P
Let's
see,
let
me
look
south
of
our
entrance
on
broadway
and
west
of
our
entrance
on
kabul
for
the
sidewalks,
as
well
as
the
parking
and
interior
to
the
site,
but
the
sidewalk
that's
in
front
of
buildings,
which
is
phase
two
will
probably
bond
and
then
install
that
as
we
have
the
building
built
so
that
we
can
marry
the
sidewalk
to
the
to
the
building
as
it's
getting
constructed.
There's
existing
sidewalk!
That's
there
now
and
will
match
to
remain
so
that
you
know
there'll
still
be
connectivity
in
that
in
between
time.
A
When,
particularly
when
they're
phased
and
we're
anticipating
more
site
work,
you
don't
want
to
necessarily
build
all
of
that
sidewalk
when
you
have
other
heavy
equipment
coming
in
later
for
for
subsequent
construction,
so
the
city
commonly
will
hold
a
bond
or
a
financial
surety
to
ensure
that
that
sidewalk
has
the
funds
to
be
built
at
some
point
in
time.
So
if,
for
some
reason,
building
c
never
gets
built,
the
city
has
a
financial
guarantee
that
the
sidewalk
will.
C
C
For
building
b,
the
old
convenience
store,
you
know,
I
know,
there's
the
little.
I
guess
coffee
wagon,
that
sits
out
there
right
now,
you
know
looks
like
with
an
addition
of
a
deck.
I
mean
I'm
just
when
I
see
the
addition
of
a
deck.
It
says
to
me,
restaurant
or
coffee
house
or
something
along
those
lines,
and
I
was
just
curious
as
to
if
that
tenant
had
like
you
knew
who
that
was
going
to
be
yet.
P
P
B
Hey
this
is
jeff
dalton
with
row
house,
architects
and
I
had
that
schedule
pulled
up
and
now
it
it
went
away.
So
give
me
a
second
on
that.
Please.
P
Jeff
to
pull
that
up,
I
wanted
to
mention
just
a
couple
of
quick
corrections
to
what
mrs
tuck
said
in
her
presentation,
which,
by
the
way,
was
phenomenal,
the
our
building
height,
shannon.
I
think
I
had
the
I
had
it
wrong
on
a
building
summary.
I
double
checked
with
jeff.
Today,
the
building
height
is
44
feet
and
six
inches,
so
we're
at
the
four
we're
underneath
the
45
feet
and
our
parking.
The
37
spaces
is
what
was
required.
P
We're
providing
46
on-site
parking
spaces
and
did
want
to
make
mention
that
we
are
providing
eight
bike
parking
spaces
in
phase
one
and
four
bike
parking
spaces
are
allocated
right
now
for
phase
two.
I
think
if
we
find
that
we
need
more,
we'll
probably
add
more
in
phase
two,
we
do
envision
a
lot
of
people
coming
off
of
the
greenway
and
we
do
envision
this
being
a
neighborhood
kind
of
hangout.
So
we
hope
that
people
will
be
coming.
You
know,
and
different
modes
of
transportation.
C
Okay,
thanks
speaking
of
one
other
thing,
I'm
sure
you
can
answer
mr
dalton
speaking
about
about
bike,
stuff
and
and
thanks.
You
know
when
I
look
at
these
plans.
Sometimes
it's
hard
for
me
to
really
tell
is
that
a
one
bedroom
is
that
a
studio,
there's
a
room
kind
of
in
that
front,
looks
like
where
it's
by
the
entrance
that
clearly
isn't
an
apartment.
Is
that
like
storage
area
or
or
is
it
a
bike?
Indoor
bike
storage
like
just
curious
on.
C
It's
I
think
it's
on
the
first
floor
from
from
broadway,
so
that.
B
Is
a
co-working
space,
okay,
yeah
and
directly
below
that
we
have
a
bike,
and
you
know
kayak
storage
on
the
level
below,
and
we
also
have
a
good
amount
of
storage
like
five
by
five
storage
cubicles
on
that
lower
level.
C
That
that's
really
good
to
know,
because
one
of
my
other
comments
was
I
was
it
felt
like.
There
wasn't
a
lot
of
activation
on
the
street.
You
know,
I
know
that's
always
kind
of
that
push
and
pull,
especially
with
housing.
You
know
when
you
put
housing
on
a
street,
do
you
really
want
to
have
a
patio
that's
on
the
street
or
the
balcony?
That's
right
there
at
sidewalk
level.
I
mean
it
does
a
lot
for
making
a
neighborhood
in
a
community,
but
I
also
know,
too
that
developers
are
hesitant
to
do
that.
C
A
And,
and
just
you
know
something
that's
a
little
bit
unique
about
this
application.
Mr
delgast
explained
earlier
that
a
portion
of
the
property
is
is
restricted
from
having
housing.
So
if
you
have
a
goal
of
doing
a
mixed
development
in
this
particular
case,
it
forces
the
separation
of
those
uses.
So
if
we're
going
to
achieve
housing
and
affordable
housing,
we
have
to
put
it
on
the
portion
of
the
property
that
can
support
it.
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
too.
C
P
P
That
was
that
hell
holds
the
gas
station,
the
building
itself.
Those
two
parcels
are
excluded
from
having
residential
developed
on
top
of
them,
so
we
were
already
forced,
you
know
to
head
south
with
our
development,
and
then
you
start
looking
at
circulation
and
those
kinds
of
things,
and
then
the
building
starts
to
get
closer
and
closer
to
this.
You
know
going
towards
downtown.
A
I'll
just
point
out
really
quickly
too,
you
recall
from
the
the
the
future
land
use
map
that
I
showed
that
we're
going
to
have
to
change
a
little
bit
of
that
and
it's
because
the
properties
on
the
end
had
formerly
not
been.
They
were
publicly
owned
properties.
It
was.
It
was
duke
owned
parcels
and
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
two
parcels
or
three
parcels,
but
but
that's
why
the
tail
was
not
already
designated
traditional
corridor.
C
Now
that
that's
really
helpful-
and
you
know
I
kind
of
lapsed
in
memory
until
mr
dalgas
mentioned
that
this
this
had
been
that
city
property-
that
was
in
the
exchange
and
all
that.
So
it's
nice
to
see
this
finally
come
around
to
to
have
something
on
it.
So
well,
let's
go
ahead
and
open
for
public
comment
at
702
mr2
or
are
there
any
any
callers
in
the
public
comment?
Queue.
F
C
If
not,
and
no
one
else
is
jumping
to
to
make
a
motion
I'll
be
happy
to,
I
moved
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
six
properties
located
at
421
420.
C
Broadway
street
from
neighborhood
corridor
district
ncd
to
neighborhood
corridor
district
conditional
zone
ncdc
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public
interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
one
supports
mixed-use
infill
development
in
a
strategically
located
area
targeted
for
growth.
Two
provides
housing
units
in
proximity
to
transit,
schools
and
parks,
and
three
supports
the
city's
goals
for
affordable
housing.
K
C
Motion
and
a
second
from
commissioner
faircloth
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
levi.
G
C
Commissioner
hoke
aye
commissioner
barton
aye,
commissioner
bubenik.
E
C
C
To
seeing
this
one
happen
for
sure,
although
I
am
a
little
sad
there's
no
place
to
get
gas
along
here,
I
actually
used
to
go
to
that
gas
station.
A
lot
me
too,
but
it's
like
yeah
yeah,.
C
Quick
question
mr
dole
guest,
now
that
we're
dealing
with
that,
I
noticed
there's
a
woodworking
studio
in
that
building.
Right
now
is
that
someone
that
works
for
j
mountain
or
is
that
part
of
your
operation
or.
O
No,
so
so
we
we
had
a
major
problem
with
graffiti
on
the
building.
Oh
yes,
I
think
I
repainted
it
about
15
times
and
and
so
we
put
a
we
just
let
one
of
my
my
partners,
rob's
friends,
go
in
there
and
set
up
and
put
a
sign
out
and
he
had
the
envision
of
actually
running
a
storefront,
but
just
putting
that
sign
on
the
building
got
him
so
much
business
that
he
didn't
actually
need
to
occupy
the
place,
and
then
the
woman
who
has
a
coffee
operation.
O
Her
husband
used
to
work
for
me
and
he
built
that
little
wagon
with
scraps
from
our
job
sites,
and-
and
so
I
I
encouraged
her
to
move
down
there.
I
just
thought
it
would
be
really
good
for
their
family
to
to
set
up
there
and-
and
you
know,
sell
coffee
in
front
of
it
and
she's.
You
know
so.
O
She
you
know
theoretically
pays
the
power
bill
and
and
and
we
just
let
her
hang
out
there
and-
and
you
know
nobody
wants
to-
nobody-
wants
to
paint
graffiti
on
that
building
with
a
you
know,
with
a
really
sweet
woman
down
there
selling
coffee.
So
that's
why.
O
C
Very
much
certainly
looking
forward
to
seeing
that
project
happen
so.
C
Welcome
so
that
that
concludes
all
of
the
items
on
the
agenda
for
tonight,
though
I
know
she
knows
it's
coming
before
before
we
adjourn,
you
know,
I
have
to
say
it.
This
is
shannon's
last
pnz
meeting
19
years.
I
think
it
is
with
the
city.
So
you
know
this
is,
since
I
started
coming
to
pnz
meetings
in
my
entire
time
on
the
commission,
I
mean
to
not
have
shannon
be
in
a
meeting.
Is
it's
gonna
be
really
weird?
You
you've
definitely
been
kind
of
this.
C
It
again
for
my
time
in
the
city
have
been
kind
of
this
stable
rock
in
in
the
planning
commission,
and
you
know
I
just
I
can't
thank
you
enough,
for
you
know
your
leadership,
your
help,
everything
so
you're
you're
going
to
be
sorely
missed,
and
you
know
when
you
get
down
here
to
woodfin
you're
going
to
need
to
stop
by
and
have
coffee.
So
thank
you.
A
C
Great
well
with
that,
like
I
said
that
concludes
the
meeting
for
this
evening.
The
next
scheduled
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
is
set
for
wednesday
april
6
2022..
You
can
always
find
out
more
information
at
the
commission's
website.