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B
A
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
I'm
robin
raines
and
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
may
19th
2022
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
a
nine-person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
review
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
district.
A
This
is
a
mandatory
review
and
a
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
one
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience.
A
A
A
Please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you
are
not
speaking
and
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
after
you
are
done.
Speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
catherine
on
kaya
she's,
not
here
today,
christina
brewer,
hi,
jeremy
goldstein
vice
chair,
hello,
kimberly
hunter
is
not
with
us
today.
Steven
lee
johnson
is
not
with
us
today.
Brian
moffatt.
A
Good
ricardo
say
hi.
A
And
I
am
robin
reigns
hi
so
to
first
we
will
talk
about
the
administrative
and
unfinished
business
and
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
If
there's
a
vote
to
be
taken
start
with
the
administrative
items,
and
the
first
is
approval
of
minutes
from
the
april
22nd
22
2022
meeting,
did
they
ready.
A
Okay
seconded
all
right,
let
me
do
the
roll
call,
I'm
just
going
to
look
at
the
screen.
Jeremy,
hi
brian.
C
A
D
A
Christina
I-
and
I
am
I
okay-
the
minutes
are
approved.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
to
discuss
the
meeting
length
and
logistics.
After
last
month's
meeting.
We
had
some
discussion
about
how
long
it
was
and
how
that
might
not
be
very
feasible
for
people
who
are
working
to
take
a
big
three
and
a
half
hour
break
in
the
middle
of
the
day.
So
jeremy
yeah.
E
I
mean
I,
I
sent
an
email
out
about
this.
I
feel
like
the
I
know
that
we
are
required
to
do,
and
I
would
like
you
know
in
favor
of
doing
formal
reviews
and
the
informal
reviews
are
sort
of
a
secondary.
E
My
understanding
in
the
last
design
committee
we
were
on
for
the
river
were
sort
of.
If
there
was
time
we
would
do
that,
and
I
understand
the
value
of
that
and
and
and
supportive,
but
a
couple
of
things,
I'm
not
in
favor
of
doing
two,
three
four
informal
reviews,
I'm
sort
of
of
the
mind
of
do
some
upfront
work,
we'll
have
an
informal
review.
If
you
need
to
change
direction.
E
But
if
we
need
some
assistance
or
some
help
or
we
want
some
professional
curtis,
you
know
advice
if
the
architects
want
that
level
of
input,
then
set
up
a
meeting
with
your
colleagues
in
town
to
review
your
projects.
But
that
is
my.
You
know
I
just
feel
like
you
have
to
be
willing
to
do
a
certain
amount
of
work
before
it
comes
to
us.
Not
just
give
us
a
blank
box
and
say
well:
where
should
we
do
here.
A
Well
before
we
broke
it
into
this
particular
committee,
when
we
had
a
review
committee
for
the
downtown
commission,
I
was
on
that
and
we
it
seemed
to
work
the
informal
part
of
that
worked
better
than
it's
working.
Now.
I
think
I
felt
like
we
did.
We
meet
twice
a
month
with
that
or
just
once
a
month
once.
F
I
think
my
question
for
you
all
would
be
just
maybe
is
there
a
time
for
your
whole
meeting
that
you
want
to
say
we
are
not
going
to
go
past
this
time
unless
people
are
willing
to.
You
know
like
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
staff
and
for
applicants
to
know
at
two
o'clock
like
after
an
hour
and
a
half.
A
I
know
before
the
last
meeting
we
had
several
people,
kate
and
matt's.
I
mean
not
matt
steven
lee
sent
an
email
wanting
to
have
a
informal
review
of
just
the
committee
members
before
and
we
talked
about
that-
and
I
don't
know
if
that
would
save
time,
but
there
were
problems
with
that.
So
there's
frustration
from
people
who
aren't
here
too
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
they.
I
don't
think
they
feel
like
they're
going
as
in
depth
or
getting
a
chance
to
review
the
project.
I
I
I
feel
like
that.
E
Mean
for
pnz
we
always
had
a
second
meeting
placeholder,
because
I
you
know,
I
understand
if
we
have
a
lot
coming
all
at
once,
you
know
I'll
make
the
time
it
just
may
not
be
able
to
make
it
all
in
one
day.
So
maybe
there's
a
someone
would
come
up
and
request
hey.
Can
we
have
a
mid-month
meeting
or
whatever
mid-cycle
meeting
I'm.
E
Do
that
my
issue
is,
I
just
don't
want
this
informal
review
to
sort
of
become
the
predominant
we're?
Not
even
you
know
it's
sort
of
a
courtesy
review.
The
formal
review
could
be
more
in
depth
longer
and
I
get
why
people
don't
want
to
get
too
far
along
and
then
find
out
they've
gone
in
the
wrong
direction
and
there's
a
lot
of
money
and
time.
H
C
I
would
generally
say
the
two
o'clock
is
our:
is
our
stop,
but
it's
a
and
then
it's
a
courtesy.
If
you
want
to
stay
on
afterwards
and,
like
jeremy
said,
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
have
a
hard
and
fast
rule.
You
get
two
informal
review
reviews
and
it's
over,
but
just
know
that
we're
gonna
get
snarkier
and
more
upset.
C
If
you
keep
coming
back
to
us
and
I'm
gonna
stop
filtering
and
then
to
robin's
point,
you
know,
I
think
it
would
somewhat
be
profitable,
but
I
don't
know
how
to
do
it
with
open
meetings.
I
would
really
like
to
have
a
chance
to
meet
with,
with
with
you
all
and
kind
of
like
figure,
some
projects
out
even
before,
because
really
difficult
for
me.
Sometimes
to
put
my
thoughts
together
on
the
fly
as
I
go
and
a
lot
of
times.
C
I
want
to
hear
what
everybody
thinks
before
I
respond,
and
then
we
would
have
a
more
of
a
directed
a
little
bit
more
of
a
directed
meeting.
If
we
could
do
that.
But
I
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
but
that
that's
so
sasha
what
sasha
and
will
what
we're
talking
about
is
like
if,
if
it
was
possible
for
the
for
us
to
have
kind
of
a
pre-meeting
that
you
could
attend,
if
you
wanted
to
and
and
we
could
all
kind
of
go-
oh,
this
is.
Did
you
see
this?
Is
that
how
you
understood
it?
C
It's
it's
almost
more
like
I'm,
trying
to
read
the
drawings
and
figure
out
what
the
world's
going
on
kind
of
meeting
and
then
and
then
we
can
respond
in
the
in
the
in
the
context
of
the
actual
project.
Anyway,
those
are
my
thoughts.
F
Right
and
I
and
robin
did
email
will
about
this,
and
I
think
just
so
everybody
knows
and
has
the
same
information
and
once
you
have
a
called
meeting
where
a
majority
could
could
show
up.
F
You
know,
that's
a
you
know
where
it's
a
public
meeting
and
then
there's
even
more
finer
points
than
that,
but
we
think
that
maybe
by
september
we'll
be
back
in
person,
you
know
I
mean
I
guess
if
coveted
rates
suddenly
went
way
back
up.
That
will
change,
but
I
think
the
city
is
working
on
getting
technology
in
place
so
that
we
could
go
back
in
person
and
things
can
be
streamed
and
whatever.
So
that
might
be
a
little.
F
It's
a
little
bit
more
like
what
we
used
to
do
like
the
in-person
meetings
really
kind
of
talking
something
through,
but
it
wouldn't.
You
know,
but
it's
still
a
public
meeting.
It's
still
additional
work
for
staff,
it's
still
all
those
things
so
and
then
yeah.
Maybe
it's
like
that
mid-month
place
holder
that
jeremy's
talking
about
or
I'm
not
yeah,
I'm
not
sure,
and
I
can't
promise
on
behalf
of
will
his
time
for
an
additional
meeting
every
month
or
todd
or
the.
B
Only
idea
I
have
is
similar
to
planning
and
zoning
commission.
They
have
a
half
hour
pre-meeting
before
the
meeting,
it's
open
to
the
public,
but
it's
not
there's
not
like
official
votes
or
anything.
But
it's
a
chance
to
you
know,
informally,
speak
about
items
or
ask
questions,
probably
start
a
half
an
hour
early
and
folks
who
filter
in
and
want
to
want
to
chat.
Can
I
think,
that's
that's
an
option.
B
E
I
wasn't
suggesting
to
have
two
meetings.
I
was
just
creating,
maybe
a
placeholder
forum,
because
you
know
sometimes
these
projects
come
in
spurts,
but
I
go
back
to
and
maybe
sasha
or
will
you
can
inform
me
better,
but
we're
not
required
to
do
any
informal
reviews.
That
is
really
just
a
desire
of
this
committee
to
help
get
better
projects
right.
F
Correct-
and
I
think
another
option
is
for
an
archetype
to
contact
and
meet
with
you
all
in
smaller
groups,
just
informally
and
staff
wouldn't
have
to
be
there
and
it's
you
know,
but
it's
it's
not
going
to
be.
You
know,
groups
more
than
three
or
four
and
that's
more
time
for
them
to
put
in,
and
you
won't
be
in
a
big
group
and
the
pre-meeting
works
with
pnz,
because
they're
doing
in-person
meetings.
So
right
now,
until
you
go
back
in
person,
a
pre-meeting
would
be
online
like
this.
So
yeah.
B
But
so
yeah,
maybe
two
two
o'clock
hits
and
if
we're
in
the
informal
review
process
folks
can
can
leave,
if
they
need
to
folks
can
stick
around
if
they
can
and
then
they
can
also
feel
free
to
submit
any
any
comments
to
me
by
email,
and
I
can
forward
that
on
to
the
project
staff
project
applicants
as
well,
so
they
could
still
receive
the
informal
discussion
from
from
members
individually.
Even
if
not
the
actual
meeting.
D
I
I
you
know.
Brian's
point
is
great.
I
was
actually
thinking
about
that
in
preparation
for
this
meeting,
because
I
you
know
I
figured
you
know
it's
it's
weird
that
we
just
sort
of
jump
in
and
then
start
talking
about
this
stuff
without
you
know,
having
had
a
chance
to
digest
it
together,
which
I
think
is
very
helpful.
I
mean
when
you
know,
when
I've
done
crits
at
at
universities.
I
always
end
up
being
the
last
one
to
talk,
because
I
just
sit
there.
D
I
digest
what
the
student
has
just
said
and
you
know
and
then
I'll
digest
what
other
jurors
will
say
and
then
I
you
know
I
can
put
my
my
thoughts
together.
So
I
absolutely
understand
what
brian
is
saying:
one
one
thing
as
we
move
forward
do:
should
we
start
keeping
some
sort
of
track
of
you
know,
statistics
of
like
how
long
does
each
discussion
take?
You
know
if
there's
a
way
to,
I
don't
know,
start
to
get
a
sense
for
okay,
an
informal
meeting
for
a
project
of
x,
y
or
z.
B
We
have
some
of
that
information
on
the
the
action
or
the
the
the
meeting
minutes
the
action
minutes
for
these
virtual
meetings.
We
have
like
the
time
stamps
so,
like
last
meeting
the
redwood
commons
project
started
at
5
27
into
the
meeting
and
ended
at
48
minutes,
so
that
was
43
minutes
and
artful
way
started
56
and
ended
at
124,
so
that
was
half
an
hour.
B
So
we
have
some
of
that
stuff
in
there.
I
think
we
spent
about
half
an
hour
on
226
failure,
informal
and
also
another.
B
According
to
these
notes,
we
spent
an
hour
reviewing
the
72
broadway
project
informally.
So
we
have
some
of
that
information
already
out
there
and
we
can.
We
could
analyze
it
a
little
bit
more.
D
E
And
you
know,
plus
there
are
limitations
like
I
was
thinking
about
what
you
had
said
about.
Well,
maybe
all
informal
reviews
get
15
minutes
five
minutes
present
and
then
we
toss
it
around.
Go
back.
Do
your
thing,
but
how
do
you
do
that,
like
you
said,
depends
on
the
scope
scale?
What
the
project
is
that
that
won't
work
yeah.
H
I
also
think
that
there's
a
hole
in
our
guidelines
and
until
we
address
that
there
we're
gonna,
get
projects
that
have
no,
I
mean,
there's
a
million
ways
to
approach
it
right
and
our
comments
can
vary
from
you
know,
meeting
to
meeting
and
I
think
they're
without
any
foundation,
it
seems
really
difficult
to
direct
developers
or
architects
in
general.
So
then
the
meetings
can
get
sprawling
because
of
that
which
I
know
takes
more
time,
but
I
think
if
we,
if
we
had
more,
I
don't
know
develop
guidelines.
B
That's
also
something
that
will
take
up
time
from
kidney
members
and
going
forward
at
some
point.
We
get
more
into
that,
so
we
want
to
be
able
to
save
time
for
those
important
discussions
too.
So
yeah,
I'm
hearing
two
things.
One
is
the
meaning
length
and
the
informal
reviews,
and
the
other
is
the
chance
to
speak
informally,
about
projects
which
is
which
is
tough
with
public
open
meeting
rules
and
obviously
folks
can
speak
one-on-one,
but
any
more
than
a
couple
folks
talking
about
you
know
business
before
the
committee
gets
kind
of
dicey.
B
B
F
A
F
A
E
B
Yeah
I'll
change
the
online
invite
to
say
12
to.
I
think
I
have
a
three
o'clock
ending
currently
just
gonna
run
out
of
time,
but
I'll
I'll
change
it
from
12
to
three
folks
can
hop
into
12
formal
review,
introductions
meeting
minute
approval.
It
all
starts
at
12
30
and
then
we'll
do
a
time
check
around
two
o'clock,
give
folks
the
opportunity
to
graciously
leave
and
submit
their
comments
later
or
stick
around
and
slide
through
it
all.
So
I
think
I
think
we
can
try
that
see
how
it
goes.
F
A
All
right
we'll
move
to
the
new
business
at
this
time
and
we
do
have
one
formal
design
review
today.
It's
the
gap,
plan
and
greenway
design
guidelines.
G
That
is
right,
hello.
My
name
is
lucy
crown.
I
work
in
the
transportation
department
of
the
city
of
asheville
and
I've
been
working
on
the
gap
plans
and
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
them
because
we're
planning
to
go
to
city
council
in
july
for
adoption
of
these
three
plants.
So
let
me
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
them.
G
Here
we
go
so
this
is
the
cover
of
our
gap.
Plans
you'll,
be
able
to
find
that
on
our
web
webpage
today,
we'll
be
talking
about
our
timeline
for
adoption.
What
exactly
is
the
gap,
and
then
I'm
going
to
focus
mostly
on
the
greenway
network
planning,
because
it
is
the
greenway
master
plan
that
has
new
design
guidelines
that
we'll
be
putting
into
our
specifications
and
design
manual.
G
So
I
wanted
to
go
over
those
with
you
today
and
then,
hopefully
you
will
help
me
by
making
a
motion
to
approve
the
gap
plans
going
to
council
in
july.
G
The
key
takeaways
for
the
gap
plan
for
you
today
are
that
the
three
plans
were
done
at
the
same
time
on
purpose
and
that
greenways
are
a
part
of
our
multimodal
transportation
system
that
our
greenway
guidelines
have
been
developed
and
we
are
hoping
to
add
them
to
our
specifications
and
design
manual
and
the
rest.
I've
already
said
right
now.
G
G
Our
prioritization
goals
were
to
figure
out
how
to
prioritize
all
of
the
proposed
corridors,
and
the
plan
will
create
a
network
to
allow
residents
to
go
through
the
city
without
a
car.
G
The
ada
transition
plan
we're
approving
the
existing
sidewalks
in
the
public
right
of
way,
and
so
that
means
the
public
right-of-way
is
everything
that
has
to
do
with
streets
and
crossing
streets,
we're
not
talking
about
facilities
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
the
road
network
with
the
sidewalks
and
the
greenways
attached
to
them.
G
Our
vision
is
that
asheville's
priority
pedestrian
corridors
will
be
the
most
ada
compliant
and
to
the
maximum
extent
feasible
and
once
again,
we're
trying
to
help
prioritize,
because
we
have
so
many
things
that
we
need
to
address
training.
The
staff
and
educating
developers
is
also
a
big
part
of
the
ada
transition
plan,
and
this
is
a
quick
picture
to
show
you
the
work
that
we
need
to
do.
G
These
are
classic
asheville
pictures,
I'm
sure
you've
all
seen
this
before,
but
we're
working
with
very
narrow
sidewalks
that
are
covered
up
with
obstacles
such
as
utility,
poles
and
signage
that
make
it
really
hard
for
people
with
mobility
devices
to
get
through
neighborhoods
are
classically
under
maintained.
We
have
what
we
call
oatmeal
cookies
sidewalks
in
a
lot
of
our
neighborhoods.
G
If
we're
lucky
enough
to
have
sidewalks
in
that
neighborhood
at
all,
and
then
we
also
have
a
lot
of
areas
in
town
that
do
have
walking
facilities,
but
because
they
were
not
built
adequately
by
today's
standards.
People
with
mobility
issues
cannot
use
them
and
are
forced
out
onto
the
roadway
to
get
around
our
pedestrian
plan,
we'll
be
looking
at
the
new
facilities.
G
It's
no
big
surprise
that
we
do
not
have
sidewalks
everywhere,
even
in
downtown.
We
have
gaps,
we
need
to
build.
So
we
have
this
very
big
issue
figuring
out
how
to
prioritize
which
projects
to
do
first
is
a
big
part
of
our
pedestrian
plan
and
when
I
say
pedestrian
facilities,
it's
not
just
the
sidewalk.
It's
the
street
crossings.
G
So
the
magic
of
our
gap
plans
is
we
we
had
to
find
a
methodology
to
figure
out
how
to
prioritize
our
projects,
and
so
we
came
up
with
this
scoring
system.
There's
four
criteria,
destination
and
equity
score
has
to
do
with
finding
the
areas
of
our
city
where
people
are
going
to
for
needed
services
as
well
as
recreation
and
education
and
shopping.
G
The
equity
score
shows
where
people
of
lesser
means,
either
historically
bipod
communities
or
lower
income
poverty
level
percentage
rates,
people
who
are
65
or
older
percentage
of
people
who
do
not
have
cars
at
their
household
and
per
percentage
of
people
whose
english
is
their
second
language,
was
all
created
for
the
equity
score.
Those
two
things
combined
created
one
of
our
scoring
mechanisms.
G
The
other
was
a
safety
score
where
we
were
looking
at
the
actual
roadways
themselves,
considering
the
number
of
lanes,
they
have
the
number
of
cars
that
use
them
in
any
given
day.
The
speed
that
they're
built
for
and
the
speed,
that's
posted
for
them
all
impact
the
ways
that
people
are
able
to
walk
around
them.
So
a
road
like
murdoch
avenue
in
north
asheville
has
sidewalks
and
a
median
in
the
middle
of
the
road
to
slow
cars
down,
they've
got
great
crosswalks,
etc,
etc.
G
G
It
is
looking
at
the
streets
in
every
part
of
the
city,
so
not
just
downtown,
but
in
neighborhoods
as
well,
and
where
what
would
it
take
to
make
that
street
a
street
that
you
could
walk
on
safely
and
then
the
fourth
score
in
the
scoring
mechanism
is
public
input.
We
had
three
stages
of
public
surveys
and
three
online
meetings
through
our
public
process
and
received
a
lot
of
input
from
our
public,
and
we
were
able
to
use
those
comments
in
our
scoring
system.
G
G
The
first
step
was
we
looked
at
our
greenway
master
plan.
It
had
24
corridors
proposed
in
the
plan
that
was
adopted
in
2018
and
not
all
of
them
were
feasible
to
be
honest
with
you
to
to
actually
go
out
and
build
a
8,
10
12
foot
wide
asphalt
path
was
just
not
feasible
in
some
of
the
corridors
that
were
proposed
in
the
master
plan.
G
So
we
took
a
look
at
the
constructability
factors,
applied
it
to
the
existing
master
plan
and
just
a
couple
were
taken
out
and
we
didn't
take
them
out
without
a
good
answer.
We've
got
other
answers
to
work
with,
but
as
far
as
a
paved
greenway,
they
just
weren't
going
to
work
out,
but
this
constructability
factor
is
always
going
to
be
an
important
part
of
helping
us
prioritize
our
greenways,
and
now
we
have
a
tool
that
can
easily
assimilate
any
kind
of
physical
obstacles.
G
And
then
we
also
applied
that
scoring
mechanism
that
I
just
told
you
as
well
to
help
us
figure
out
where
our
gaps
are
in
our
network
and
we
found
out
that
in
order
to
really
get
a
greenway
network
throughout
the
city
and
to
be
able
to
get
into
people's
neighborhoods
and
out
into
wherever
they're
going,
we
needed
to
change
the
styles
of
greenways
that
we
have.
So
we
came
up
with
four
types
of
greenways
and
they
are
here
the
the
spine
greenway,
the
arterial
greenway,
the
neighborhood,
greenways
and
natural
surface
trails.
G
Our
spine
greenways
would
be
reserved
for
where
we
anticipate
the
most
people
going.
It
will
be
the
highest
level
of
service
for
greenway,
so
our
highways
of
greenways.
A
great
example
of
that
is
the
wilma
dikeman
greenway
that
just
opened
last
year.
It's
flat.
It's
got
a
an
area
where
people
want
to
go
and
see
the
river,
but
it's
also
a
great
place
for
people
to
commute
from
their
neighborhoods
to
get
to
work
and
such
so
spine,
greenways
are
our
biggest
and
then
they
get
smaller
and
smaller,
and
it
looks
something
like
this.
G
G
And
for
the
first
time
we
have
design
guidelines
super
excited
about
that
we
have
them
for
our
greenway
spine
and
our
arterial
spine.
G
G
Here's
a
list
of
our
spine
corridors,
there
won't
be
a
quiz
and
this
map,
I
think,
can
show
you
really
a
lot
faster
than
the
list.
Can
our
arterial
greenways
will
be
slightly
more
narrow
right
now,
they're
usually
built
to
8
to
10
feet
wide
we'd
like
to
see
them
wider
12
feet
wide.
We
are
going
to
encourage
lighting
on
our
arterial
greenways.
G
G
And
then
our
new
typology,
the
neighborhood
greenways.
This
is
really
more
a
method
of
tweaking
our
neighborhood
roads
to
make
them
the
most
safe
as
possible
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists,
and
could
very
well
be
that
we
don't
need
an
additional
facility
in
a
neighborhood
greenway,
but
with
simple
markings
such
as
sharo's
and
wayfinding,
and
branding
that
so
people
can
know
where
they're
going
and
know
that
they're
on
the
best
road
in
the
neighborhood.
To
get
around
on
that,
we
can
accomplish
a
lot
of
connectivity
in
our
neighborhoods.
G
G
That
might
be
the
best
that
we
can
plan
for
with
a
current
state
legislature,
but
even
with
just
some
safer
crosswalks,
more
traffic
calming
like
these
medians
and
diverters
and
proper
signage
for
people
who
are
on
their
bikes
and
walking
to
get
around.
We
can
create
a
much
safer
environment
for
everybody.
G
This
is
a
type
of
facility
we
don't
use
in
nashville,
yet
it's
called
an
advisory
shoulder,
and
in
this
case
it's
just
a
re-striping
project,
but
instead
of
striping
the
middle
of
the
street,
you
stripe
with
a
dotted
line,
the
shoulder
of
the
road
so
that,
when
there's
low
traffic
streets
like
this
one,
cars
would
basically
drive
down
the
middle
of
the
road
when
there's
no
other
car
coming
in
the
opposite
direction,
leaving
room
on
the
side
for
people
to
walk
and
ride
their
bike,
and
if
there
is
a
chance
where
the
cars
are
coming
in
opposite
directions,
they
just
need
to
go
slower
and
pause
and
let
one
of
the
cars
go
around
and
everybody
works
a
little
bit
together.
G
G
We
basically
chose
one
on
each
side
of
town
and
then
some
greenway
connectors
around
the
downtown
area
and
then,
finally,
with
all
of
those
proposed
corridors,
we
had
to
come
up
with
a
top
10
list
of
priorities
and
we
went
through
a
pretty
detailed
methodology
to
get
there.
But
we
came
up
with
these
top
10
greenway
priorities.
G
But
this
one
is
the
one
that
we
is
the
toughest
one
to
implement,
because
it's
so
long
and
because
it's
following
a
road,
that's
on
very
close
to
a
river
and
a
very
flood-prone
road.
At
that
that
it's
been
particularly
complicated
and
we've
got
to
work
on
it.
G
G
Campuses,
also
have
a
lot
of
room
to
to
consider,
and
they
were
they've
also
been
at
the
planning
table
here
to
do
what
we're
calling
hubs
where
people
would
ride
their
bikes
or
walk
to
do
hiking
in
a
place
that
has
a
lot
of
trails
and
the
other
part
of
that
would
be
a
neighborhood
natural
surface
connector,
where
you
can
get
through
subdivisions
or
some
older
neighborhoods
that
have
zero
sidewalks
right
now.
This
could
be
an
approach
to
take,
even
if
it's
just
an
intermediate
step,
while
we're
waiting
for
sidewalks
to
get
out
there.
G
So
we
have
come
up
with
five
different
hub
projects
that
we
want
to
look
at.
This
one
is
mountainside
park,
but
we're
also
looking
at
the
property
where
the
french
broad
river
west
greenway
is
being
built
just
south
of
new
belgium
and
the
area
behind
aston
park
and
asheville
middle
school,
where
the
bakote
branch
greenway
might
be
built
one
day.
G
Have
come
up
with
the
concept
maps
and
we've
been
looking
really
closely
at
what
our
partnerships
would
look
like
as
well,
and
right
now
we're
at
the
very
beginning
of
our
public
engagement
for
these
ideas
and
our
meeting
first
and
foremost
with
the
neighborhoods.
That
would
be
directly
impacted
by
these
hub
projects.
And
then
we
will
have
public
engagement
later
this
spring
or
early
summer.
G
And
what
I
love
about
these
two
slides
honestly
is
the
comparison
of
the
concept
and
our
reality.
When
you
really
look
at
it,
it's
very
similar,
and
I'm
pretty
happy
with
that,
but
the
trails
that
parallel
the
riverway
and
the
river
should
respond
to
their
landscapes
and
settings
and
anticipated
usage.
G
So
at
this
time
I
would
like
to
take
a
look
at
the
design
guidelines.
G
G
G
G
G
D
Hi
lucy,
thank
you
for
that.
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
or
a
couple
of
comments.
Really
one
of
them
is,
you
know,
one
is
about
the
name
which
I
thought
was
interesting
that
you
guys
are
using
the
ada
transition
plan
as
opposed
to
accessibility.
D
To
just
expand,
you
know
beyond
the
ada,
but
I
guess
that
ship
has
sailed,
hopefully
in
the
design
guidelines,
you're
thinking
beyond
ada
a
I
had
a
question,
a
couple
of
questions
number
one:
how?
How
does
the
funding
for
this.
G
G
And
that's
usually
how
it
works.
We
have
a
recurring
fund
for
the
neighborhood
sidewalk
program,
that
is,
it
can
be
up
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
it's
typically
around
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
It's
changes
every
year
and
our
ada
improvements
right
now.
We
have
about
and
150
thousand
dollars
of
recurring
funds
which
doesn't
get
us
very
far
and
for
greenways
we
have
zero
recurring
funds.
G
So
we
bake
a
lot
of
cookies
and
we
look.
You
know
we
just
look
at
five
to
ten
year
plans
and
try
to
chart
out
our
projects
and
look
for
the
best
funding
options.
The
tda
is
also
a
really
great
partner
for
us,
but
the
mpo
as
long
as
our
stride
is
right.
The
mpo
is
the
best
funding
partner
because
they
have
so
much
money.
That's
dedicated
strictly
to
transportation.
D
D
Yeah
yeah,
it
gives
me
a
pretty
pretty
good
idea
of
how
complicated
it
can
be,
which
not
surprising,
and
then
I
had
a
question
on
the
neighborhood
greenways.
I
noticed
that
at
least
in
the
in
the
in
the
staff
report,
it
seems
to
break
away
from
the
you
know,
mentioning
anything
on
the
ada
compliance.
Is
that
because
you're,
you
know
the
the
plan
is
to
just
accept
that
neighborhoods,
you
know,
are
you
know
they
just
have
to
deal
with
different
things.
You
know
they
have
different
limitations.
D
H
G
Only
be
as
accessible
as
this
feasible
and
there
are
the
ada
transition
plan
is
really
more
of
a
technical
plan
in
that
way.
That
ties
us
to
accountability
for
recurring
funding,
and
so
we
haven't
come
to
the
the
amount
of
money
that
will
be
dedicated
to
ada
improvements
yet,
but
it
is
going
to
be
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed
in
the
ada
transition
before
it
goes
to
council
in
july.
G
G
But
if,
if
a
city
goes,
is
sued
and
has
to
go
to
the
department
of
justice
for
clarification
of
what
they're
doing
to
work
on
their
ada
transitions
and
they're
found
to
be
negligent
on
their
work,
then
they
typically
get
fined
quite
a
bit
of
money.
G
I
think
that
the
town
of
seattle,
portland
oregon,
was
fined
something
like
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
35
years
to
to
fix
their
stuff
they're
a
bigger
city
than
us,
but
something
like
that
would
really
be
very
painful
and
then
and
those
kind
of
judgments
are
intended
to
be
a
little
strict.
To
teach
you
a
lesson.
So
our
ada
transition
plan
is
being
created
in
order
for
us
to
address
those
that
promise
of
accessibility
and
improving
our
accessibility
through
the
city.
G
As
far
as
going
into
neighborhoods
yeah,
a
lot
of
our
greenway,
our
neighborhood
greenways,
since
it
will
be
just
improvements
of
the
existing
street
network,
would
also
address
accessibility
at
the
intersections
and
making
sure
that
they
are
brought
up
to
to
compliance.
While
we
do
neighborhood
greenways.
H
Hey
lucy,
I
was
just
curious:
is
there
a
requirement
for
the
emergency
call
buttons
that
you
often
see
on
greenways
and
well?
Do
you
have
any
in
this
plan.
G
We
there
is
no
requirement
for
emergency
phone
or
call
buttons,
and
I
find
that
they're
not
effective,
they're,
typically
broken
pretty
fast
and
they're
hard
to
keep
maintained
and
now
with
everyone
having
their
own
cell
phones.
It's
typically
a
better.
G
Okay,
thanks
on
our
so
on
the
wilma
dikeman,
we
do
have
call
phones
at
the
parking
lots,
and
I
do
think
that
there
is
that's
a
good
approach,
but
as
far
as
having
them
out
on
greenways
it
just
they
proved
to
be
too
difficult
and
typically
broken
when
people
think
they
need
them.
The
most
okay.
D
I'm
just
gonna
make
a
quick
comment
about,
and
I
mentioned
this
before,
but
we
have.
I
know
that
in
the
city
design
guidelines
we
have
up
lighting
and
trees,
and
things
like
that
and
just
to
you
know
make
sure
that,
as
you
guys
move
forward
forward,
I
didn't
see
it
in
your
guidelines.
G
G
Yeah
we
all
of
our
lights
will
be
rented
from
duke
energy,
and
the
wilma
dykeman
is
the
first
example
of
lighting
on
a
greenway,
but
they
have
a
very
small
catalog
of
lighting
to
choose
from
and
they're
all
dark
sky
compliant,
so
we'll
plan
to
use
those.
We
don't
go
into
detail
explaining
that,
because
that
could
change,
maybe
we'll
switch
over
to
solar
light
some
year,
but
for
right
now,
that's
our
approach
as
we're
working
with
the
industry
lights
that
we
lease
from
duke.
G
E
E
H
D
C
A
And
I
am
on
I
so
this
plan
is
approved
thanks
lucy.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Now
we
have
informal
design
review.
We
have
two
projects
on
the
agenda
for
that
and
the
first
one
is
21
governor's
view
road,
redwood
commons
we've
seen
it
two
times
before,
and
it
was
recently
approved
by
council.
So
it's
back.
B
Yeah,
I
welcome
aaron
bowman's,
the
architect
for
the
project
and
just
give
us
some
background,
so
the
conditional
zoning
for
this
project
was
approved
by
by
council
last
week.
One
of
the
conditions
of
that
approval,
which
is
also
a
condition
of
the
planning
zoning
commission's
approval,
is
that
the
project
worked
with
you
all
through
informal
design
to
improve
the
building
design
as
needed.
B
You
all
had
to
prove
the
project
with
conditions
that
the
architect
responded
to
before
going
to
planning
and
zoning.
They
were,
you
know,
somewhat
significant,
but
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
time
for
in
between
discussion
and
the
timeliness
of
getting
the
zoning
in
place
for
their
affordable
housing,
application
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
this
is
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
help
refine
the
the
design
a
little
bit
more
and
as
long
as
it's
substantially
compliant
with
the
conditional
zoning
approval
they
shouldn't,
they
shouldn't
have
to
go
back
to
city
council.
B
I
I
B
Yeah
I
mean
honestly,
I
think
the
fact
that
they're
here
for
at
least
one
informal
review
satisfies
it
according
to
the
condition
I
I
think
they're,
obviously
more
than
happy
to
to
work
with
you
all
and
make
improvements
as
their
budget
allows
for,
but
I
think
really
just
the
the
intent.
B
The
technical
requirements
of
that
condition
would
be
met
since
they're
here
today.
So
anything
after
this
is
gravy.
So
I
don't
know
that's
answers
your
question
so
officially
that
will
satisfy
it
and
then
whatever
discussions
happen
is
to
improve
it.
I
I
Okay,
let's
see
all
right,
so
I'm
at
this
point
I
can
only
see
my
screen.
I
can't
see
you,
but
can
everyone
hear
me?
Okay,
can
you
see
the
drawing
that's
on
the
screen.
I
So
as
as
will
said-
and
I'm
sure
you
all
remember-
as
we've
we've
been
here
before-
pursuing
conditional
zoning-
so
we've
we've
sort
of
made
it
through
that
process
and
at
the
planning
commission
meeting
there
was
a
discussion
about
the
fact
that
you
know
there
were
requested
design,
changes
and
studies
that
were
made
at
the
design
review
committee
meeting,
and
you
know
we
weren't
sure
if
that
was
something
that
we
needed
to
do
before
it
went
to
planning
commission.
I
So
in
an
effort
to
to
show
that
we
were
willing
to
study
these,
we
went
ahead
and
sort
of
worked
through
some
of
those,
but
you
know
this
committee
had
not
had
the
opportunity
to
revisit
that.
So
that
was
a
major
concern
planning
commission.
So
you
know
we
expressed
that
we
were
more
than
happy
to
come
back
and
talk
through
them,
but
you
know
I
appreciate
jeremy's
comment
that
you
know
at
a
certain
point.
I
We
do
sort
of
want
to
have
an
understanding
of
where
this
process
is
trying
to
go
and
kind
of
what
the
the
end
point
is
of
it.
So
what
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
here
is
focus
on
where
we
were
the
last
time
we
were
together
and
sort
of
walk
up
to
where
we
are
at
the
moment
specifically
and
I'm
sure
y'all,
remember
the
comments
and
things
that
we
discussed.
So
this
is
a
board
of
renderings
that
was
presented
at
the
last
meeting.
I
So
some
of
the
major
points
of
concern
the
things
we
talked
about,
this
had
been
a
revision
to
include
more
vertical
elements.
So
there
were
comments
about
studying
the
levels
of
these
stones
across
the
building
where
we
had
sort
of
basically
two
datums
moving
up
and
down.
I
There
was
discussion
about
the
south
and
west
sides
of
the
building,
which
kind
of
pop
up
here
in
this
mass
that
projects
out
towards
swananoa
river
road,
that
these
are
sort
of
large
blank
walls
and
that
this
needed
to
be
studied
to
add
more
articulation,
and
there
was
discussion
about
the
roof
line
and
the
sort
of
singular
datum.
I
So
you
know
in
the
interim
to
planning
commission
as
we
were
working
through
those
comments
and
continuing
to
talk
to
multiple
local
contractors
trying
to
understand
you
know
as
we
implement
these
changes.
You
know
this
was
a
design
study.
That
was
what
was
shown
at
the
council
meeting
planning
commission
meeting.
I
should
say
where
we
did
look
at
varying
this
vertical
height.
I
There
were
a
lot
of
concerns
about
essentially
the
roof
in
a
sloping
roof
and
the
impact
of
those
dormers,
the
constructability
of
that
detail
expressed
by
a
lot
of
our
contractors,
and
so
we
were
considering
a
move
to
a
flat
roof.
So
this
was
a
study
that
we
did
as
part
of
a
sort
of
cost
exercise
with
one
of
the
people
that
we
were
talking
with
so
part
of,
what's
also
brought
forward
here
is
variation
in
the
masonry
heights,
starting
to
look
at
articulation
of
the
walls.
I
As
we
talked
about-
and
I
don't
really
want
to
dwell
on
this-
just
to
sort
of
acknowledge
that
this
was
an
interim
step-
and
I
understand
that
most
of
you-
I
think
at
least-
had
an
opportunity
to
revisit
this.
So
this
is
the
current
set
of
where
that
stands,
and
so
as
we're
finalizing
the
application,
as
well
as
working
through
the
zoning
process.
There
are
a
few
things
that
have
changed,
so
the
sloping
roof
is
back
here,
along
with
the
dormers
at
a
uniform
height.
I
That
is
a
product
again
of
just
our
conversations
with
our
contractors
that
we've
been
talking
about.
We've
also
entertained
a
suggestion
to
change
from
the
manufactured
stone
to
a
brick
masonry
veneer.
So
this
would
be
modular
brick,
and
so
what
were
sort
of
other
stone,
accents,
lentils
and
sills,
you
know-
would
be
soldier
courses
and
roblox
that
sort
of
thing
so
singular
material
detailing
otherwise,
still
a
primary
field
of
vinyl,
siding,
horizontal
vertical
board
and
batten,
with
some
smooth
accent
panels
on
the
verticals
between
the
windows.
I
This
does
include
the
sort
of
varied
heights
continued
to
the
masonry,
as
well
as
the
plant
articulation,
and
so
I'm
hoping
this
won't
crash,
my
laptop,
but
I've
got
the
model
open
because
I
feel
like
these
renderings
tend
to
maybe
not
convey
as
good
as
just
sort
of
spinning
this
around
might
do.
I
But
here
you
can
see
the
front
elevation
of
the
building
and
again
I'm
gonna
try
to
just
do
this
relatively
quickly,
particularly
in
light
of
the
earlier
discussion
about
not
sort
of
dragging
this
out
too
much,
and
you
can
see
the
world
kind
of
stops
at
the
edge
of
our
site.
But
you
know
we're
here
at
the
front.
You
know
where
you
can
see.
I
You
know
particularly
these
sides
where
we've
worked
to
get
that
articulation
in
plan
as
well
as
vertically
within
the
masonry
to
get
a
better
accent
across
the
the
building
and
then
I'm
gonna
try
to
jump
to
the
backside.
I
know
this
was
another
area
previously,
where
there's
a
lot
of
interest
sort
of
understanding.
I
You
know
what's
happening
here
where
again,
we've
introduced
additional
sort
of
offsets
in
the
plan
to
give
some
relief
to
the
wall
to
help
create
shadow
lines
at
different
times
of
the
day
as
well
as
address
this
frontage.
As
it
looks
out
onto
swannanoa,
you
can
kind
of
see,
I
know,
there's
we're
up
in
the
trees.
I
Sorry
hope
nobody
gets
motion
sick,
but
as
you're
looking
over,
you
know
from
aldi
sort
of
up
the
hill.
You
know
this
was
another
side
that
was
sort
of
flat,
so
we've
had
added
this
sort
of
projecting
gable
additional
vertical
accents
as
well
as
articulation
along
this
facade,
removing
the
the
more
flat
areas.
I
guess
you
could
say
that
we
had
earlier
so
looking
at
that
again
from
kind
of
the
other
side
of
the
site.
You
know
in
terms
of
landscaping
and
things
in
the
back.
I
You
know
no
changes
to
the
community
gardens
or
you
know
any
of
those
areas
trying
to
think
what
else
I
mean.
One
of
the
other
sort
of
major
changes,
which
is
is
not
you
know,
sort
of
immediately
evident
in
these
views
that
were
we're.
I
Looking
at
here
is
a
reduction
of
about
3
500
square
feet
out
of
the
plan,
which
was
just
again
a
sort
of
necessary
change
to
reduce
overall
square
footage,
so
it
did
not
affect
our
unit
count
but
affected
some
of
our
just
sort
of
interior
growth
square
footage,
so
I
mean
the
net
of
it.
Is
that
the
l
here
in
the
back
shortened
up
so
tighten
up
that
massing?
But
you
know
the
combination
of
all
of
these.
These
changes,
maintaining
the
sleeping
roof.
I
The
change
in
masonry
type,
as
well
as
the
square
footage
reduction,
was
a
significant
impact
to
our
overall
project
costs,
helping
bringing
us
basically
in
line
with
our
budget
requirements.
So
you
know
those
are
the
the
things,
the
elements
that
we
sort
of
focused
on
last
time.
Those
are
the
the
changes
that
we've
made
today
and
with
that
I
will
stop
talking
and
I'm
gonna
try
to
go
back.
I
know
this
is
probably
gonna
be
like
a
mirror
for
some
of
y'all
where
you're
looking
at
yourselves.
A
I
You
know
coursing
options,
sort
of
not
just
a
rollout
cap,
but
maybe
a
soldier
as
well,
and
I
mean
some
other
things
around
the
building,
I
think,
will
give
it
some
nice
texture
on
those
larger
areas
so
yeah.
I
agree.
Thank
you.
J
C
It
looks
like
you've
you've
addressed
most
of
my
major
issues,
the
the
the
piece
that
was
facing
swannano
river
road
you've
articulated
that
that
blank
wall
you've
raised
and
lowered
the
in
tablature
at
the
bottom
and
you've
introduced
some
other
things.
Now
I
I
think
the
only
thing
I
would
recommend
you
look
at
is
whether
or
not
you
wanted
to
change
the
eave
height
of
those
vertical
little
gables
that
are
are
facing
out.
C
If
you
wanted
them
slightly
lower
or
slightly
above
just
so
that
that
roof
doesn't
read
as
a
single
single
eve.
I
think
that
might
help
a
little
bit
and
since
it's
a
gable,
it
would
tie
in
just
fine.
There
shouldn't
be
any
waterproofing
issues,
it's
just
a
valley
either
way.
I
I
don't
know
if
you
know
what
I'm
trying
to
describe.
I
Yeah,
I
understand
them.
I
think
I
think
if
we
were
we
so
the
the
study
of
the
flat
roofs
with
the
parapets
popping
up,
I
mean
began
as
sort
of
raised
dormers
yeah.
You
know
the
the
consistent
comment
we
heard
was
just
a
concern
of
the
valley
transitioning
around
an
eve
across
the
soffit
to
a
sidewall
intersection
and
just
constructability
concerns.
Is
it
impossible?
Absolutely
not
it's
something
that
exists
pretty
sure
I've
seen
it
in
asheville,
it's
once
or
twice
yeah.
You
know
it's
just
a
constructability
concern
and
a.
I
I
think,
a
fear-based
pricing
challenge
that
that
we're
coming
up
against
you
know
yeah,
so
I'll
just
stop
there.
C
I
don't
remember
there
being
much
if
any
conditions
when
we
talked
about
this
on
the
site
plan,
do
you
guys
remember
none.
I
Thanks
to
all
of
you
appreciate
your
time
and
consideration.
C
Will
and
sasha
is
there
anything
that
we
need
to
do
to
assist
staff
as
they
review
this
as
it
moves
forward
and
moves
through
the
system?
Or
can
you
just
check
the
box
that
they
that
they
came
to
us
and
that
the
changes
as
shown
today
meet
the
intent?
B
Yeah,
no,
I
appreciate
you
confirming
that
yeah.
I
think
them
being
here
today
and
speaking
with
you
all
checks
that
box,
so
when
they
go
for
their
permits
and
stuff
and
final
review,
we'll
look
back
at
the
project
conditions
and
we'll
read
this
one
about
going
back
to
you
all
for
informal
review
and
remember
and
hold
the
agenda
and
note
that
they
did
such
and
and
they'll
have
that
condition
satisfying.
So
I
think
we'll
be
in
good
shape.
A
B
And
so
welcome
eric,
and
is
that
peter
can't
remember
the
names
okay.
B
B
All
right,
just
let
me
know
where
I'd
like
to
go:
they're
kind
of
I
kind
of
broke
my
part
floor
plan,
elevations,
renderings
and
then
materials
board.
J
Yes,
that
one
right
there
be
perfect
well,
first
of
all,
again,
let's
like
to
thank
everyone
on
the
committee
for
taking
the
time
to
meet
with
us.
I
know
this
has
gone
on
seemingly
for
quite
a
long
time
and
we
appreciate
all
the
feedback
we've
gotten
along
the
way.
This
is
a
fairly
complex
project
and
we're
obviously
very
excited
about
it.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
positive
review
from
the
desired
view
committee.
J
We
intend
to
have
this
meeting
to
be
our
last
informal
and
are
planning
on
presenting
during
the
next
next
month's
meeting
for
our
formal
review.
J
So
what
you're?
Seeing
is
from
the
bottom
of
the
building
up
the
first
two
levels
that
two-story
height
is
in
response
to
the
height
of
the
other
buildings
to
the
south
of
our
building.
The
rolling
coffee
is
immediately
adjacent
and
there's
several
other
two-story
buildings
until
the
geometry
changes
where
momentum
gallery
is
at
52
broadway
and
then
going
on
up
the
hill,
the
height
of
the
buildings.
J
So
from
that
point
you
see
the
the
initial
step
back
that
takes
us
up
to
the
seventh
or
the
top
of
the
seventh
level.
At
that
point,
we're
at
75
feet
above
the
main
entry
into
the
building,
and
at
that
point
the
floor
plate
can
only
be,
I
believe,
it's
40
of
the
side
area
or
8
000
square
feet.
Whichever
is
less
so.
At
that
point,
we
have
reduced
the
floor
plate
of
the
building
to
approximately
8
000
square
feet.
J
In
order
to
meet
that
requirement,
we
had
initially
looked
at
breaking
the
geometry
up
with
a
traditional
base,
middle
and
cap,
because
that
is
one
of
the
recommended
guidelines.
Although
it
is
not
a
it's
recommended
as
an
option,
there
are
other
ways
to
break
up
the
geometry:
to
give
it
visual
interest
and
to
have
more
of
a
an
urban
dense,
feel
to
the
geometry
and
the
materiality
of
the
building.
J
So
what
we're
proposing
is
the
use
of
multiple
materials
in
order
to
achieve
that
will
if
we
you
can
go
to
the
next
elevation,
which
is
would
be
sheep.
This
is
the
north
elevation
right.
What
we're
proposing
here
again
is
showing
where
the
height
of
the
building
is
the
two-story
base
and
we're
also
indicating
that
where
we
have
recessed
balconies
we're
using
those
to
change
material.
So
what
we're?
J
We
don't
want
to
change
material
at
an
outside
corner,
because
that's
always
an
awkward
condition
to
try
to
detail,
and
it
makes
the
building
look
paper
thin
when
that's
done
so
all
of
our
changes
of
materials
are
on
inside
corners,
which
is
what
happens
at
some
of
these
balconies.
J
The
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
the
recessed
balconies
on
this
side
of
the
building,
which
faces
the
masonic
watch.
It
has
similar
geometry
on
its
south
elevation.
So
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
relationship
between
the
north
elevation
of
our
building
and
the
south
elevation
of
the
masonic
lodge
we're
looking
at
using
recessed
brick
panels
in
the
base
to
simulate
windows
or
openings.
J
That
is
because
we
cannot
have
any
openings,
this
close
to
the
property
line,
so
we
have
to
do
something
there
to
break
up
that
that
mass
of
the
wall
we
go
to
the
we'll
go
to
the
next
page,
which
is
the
east
elevation
again
we're
indicating
where
the
the
step
backs
occur,
what's
happening
at
75
feet,
the
geometry
of
the
two-story
base
and
how
that
wraps
around
the
building
to
tie
it
again
to
the
other.
J
We
have
where
it
indicates,
wall
alignment
neighboring
building,
that's
there's
nothing
there.
That
will
not
be
seen
because
roland
coffee
is
right
next
to
our
building.
But
what
we
are
doing
is
we're
wrapping
a
little
bit
of
the
brick
around
that
corner,
because
you
may
be
able
to
see
some
of
that
at
the
southeast
corner.
I'm
sorry
southwest
corner
of
our
building
in
well.
If
we
go
to
the
next
page
in
the
set,
which
is
page
17,
you
start
to
see
a
little
bit
of
the
the
logic
of
what
we've
done
here.
J
J
That's
where
we
reduce
the
floor
plate
because
of
that
point
the
building
is
above
75
feet
so
I'll,
just
as
a
point
of
review.
J
That's
the
logic
behind
why
we
why
this
building
is
shaped,
the
way
it
is
and
that
we
did
not
want
to
have
a
single
material
be
used
over
the
entire
building,
that
we
have
four
different
materials,
plus
the
guardrails
and
metal
of
the
windows
and
various
pieces
of
trim,
but
four
major
materials
on
the
building
to
break
up
its
mass
one
of
the
questions
that
came
out
of
the
last
meeting,
which,
unfortunately,
I
was
not
able
to
attend.
If
we
look
at
the
very
last
page
on
page
22,.
J
J
Right
now,
there's
there's
an
existing
street
tree
that
will
probably
it's
overgrown
and
we'll
probably
need
to
be
replaced,
but
we
build
our
project,
but
what
we
thought
was
there's
a
nice
opportunity
where
you
see
the
indication
of
metal
sculpture
to
have
a
a
piece
that
would
be
placed
in
the
sidewalk
approximately
where
the
existing
street
tree
was
and
another
companion
piece
along
the
north
west
corner
of
the
building
that
faces
north
and
faces
the
entry
into
downtown.
J
Keep
in
mind
one
of
the
goals
that
the
center
for
craft
and
momentum
gallery
blue
spiral.
One
asheville
area,
arts
alliance
and
several
other
groups
have
been
working
over
the
last
five
plus
years
to
to
make
broadway
the
arts
corridor
into
downtown.
Asheville
center
for
craft
is
working
with
the
cherokee
nation
to
develop
a
an
outdoor,
sculpture,
installation
piece
that
will
be
on
a
bulba
in
front
of
their
building.
J
That
will
be
based
on
the
theme
of
basket,
weaving,
which
is
a
a
major
art
form
that
the
cherokee
nation
is
promotes
and
and
is
partnering
with
the
separate
crafts
on
there's
an
exhibit
at
the
center
right
now.
J
The
concept
of
create
72
broadway
because
create
is
the
concept
behind
the
the
brand
that
they're
pushing
forward
on
here
and
in
potentially
other
locations
around
the
southeast.
J
J
E
Maybe
to
get
the
benefit
of
some
of
my
you
know,
someone
had
mentioned
we're
designers,
we're
not
all
designers
here,
so
most
of
them
are,
but
not
me
remind
me
again
how
what
the
square
footage
of
this
building
is.
J
It's
I
don't
know
it's
in
90,
000
or
so
kind
of
parking.
E
Right
so
you're
trying
to
be
a
level
two
built
by
right
and
again
I
mean
no
disrespect,
because
I
love
some
of
the
things
that
you've
done.
This
is
my
least
favorite
building
I've
ever
seen
you
do,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
because
you're
trying,
if
it's
just
because
of
the
sight
or
because
you're
trying
to
squeeze
out
as
much
as
you
can
within
that
square
footage.
E
J
The
other
for
jeremy
thanks,
I
I
know
you
have
to
run
the
other
boards
I'd
like
to
share
with
go
back
to
the
one
just
prior
to
that
has
the
materials.
J
Yes,
that's
we're
using
and
again
we'll
have
actual
materials
here
in
the
meeting
that
we
can
look
at
on
camera,
but
we're
using
two
different
types
of
brick:
limestone
patterned
stucco
for
the
ethos,
finish
metal
panels
that
will
be
a
sort
of
slight
gray,
color,
clear,
anodized,
aluminum
for
all
the
glass
framing
and
sort
of
a
gray,
low
end
glass
for
the
windows.
J
There
will
be
a
limestone
color,
the
metal
panels,
they're
actually
two
different
colors
of
metal
panels,
one
that's
well
the
darker
one,
which
will
be
focused
on
the
the
center
element,
and
then
the
white
colored
metal
panels
will
be
where
the
other
metal
panels
are
identified
and
then
the
the
low
end
glass,
which
is
typical
but
yeah
we
would,
he
has
to
have
the
flowy
solar
heat,
gain,
coefficient
to
meet
code
and
then
clear,
anodized
aluminum
for
the
window
frames
and
as
far
as
the
detailing
of
the
front
entry
with
the
step
back
brick
elements
and
all
the
rustification,
that's
all
still
there.
J
A
You
did
change
my
favorite
part.
I
think
the
strongest
part
of
this
building
from
my
perspective
is
that
center
piece
that
was
all
brick
and
now
it's
not,
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
why
you
did
that.
I
don't
personally
think
that's
a
good
move,
because
I
think
that
center
piece
could
be
the
piece
that
nods
to
the
traditional
architecture
around
this
building,
and
I
don't
I
don't
agree
with
this.
A
I
don't
think
the
shape
of
this
building
has
been
the
problem
that
this
committee
has
had.
I
think
it's
just
the
material
changes
and
the
adding
of
a
fourth
material
puzzles
me
a
little
bit
because
I
think,
there's
a
a
lot
of
it's
busy.
It's
busy
in
my
in
my
opinion,
and
I
like
that
centerpiece
I
liked
it
all
as
brick.
A
My
question
was:
why
is
the
side
the
piece
to
the
right,
brick
that
three
story
that
steps
back?
I
think
that
having
that
front
facade
and
that
centerpiece
all
brick
was
very
strong
and
I
think
that
it
muddies
the
water
a
little
bit
when
it
seems
arbitrary
that
the
step
back
piece
is
brick.
Also.
B
A
A
C
C
Unlike
jeremy,
I
don't
go
high
as
often
I'm
usually
down
at
street
level,
but
the
the
there's
like
a
tetris
jenga
thing
going
on
with
this,
where
it's
got
all
these
like
zigzag
pieces
that
are
just
coming
down
together-
and
I
don't
understand
why,
like
it,
doesn't
read
as
elements
this
one
shows
it
a
little
bit
like
you've
got
this
like
like
robin
said:
you've
got
the
the
brick
and
it
and
then
it
switches,
but
it
switches
differently
and
then
suddenly
I've
got
the
white,
but
the
blue
comes
over
partly
and
then
there's
a
gray
piece,
and
I
don't
know
why
it
keeps
switching.
C
It's
not
like
a
single
element
is
consistent.
They
just
switch.
I
mean
it
shows
even
more.
On
the
other
side,
there's
a
the
the
I'm
looking
at
the
northwest
perspective.
C
Why
it
didn't
go
back.
You
know
another
unit,
basically
to
that
next
one.
Why
did
it
stop
there?
It
it?
It
just
seems
like
there's
some
arbitrary
starts
and
stops
to
this
thing
that
that
aren't
quite
gelling
for
me.
Yet,
like
I
I
like
the
brick
piece.
I
did
like
that
brick
that
went
all
the
way
up.
I
thought
that
was
your
most
special
piece,
but
some
of
the
changes
that
you're
making
like
I
don't
really
mind
the
massing
the
fenestration
makes
sense
to
me.
C
Generally
speaking,
I
like
a
lot
of
the
moves
you've
made.
The
entry
looks,
looks
right
to
me
now
I
like
that
piece.
I
think
the
base
is
working.
It's
just
like
some
of
these
when
you
change
materials
is
not
making
sense
to
me
right
now
and
I'll
I'll
leave
it.
There.
B
I'll
just
note
that
it's
a
little
after
two
and
the
folks
need
to
duck
out.
They
will
not
be
judged
and
they
can
send
comments
via
email
to
me
that
I
can
pour
it
on
to
the
applicants
and,
if
folks
want
to
stick
around
that's
great.
J
D
Hi
peter
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
that
the
it
was
brought
to
my
attention
that
something
I
said
the
last
time
may
have
been.
I
may
have
been
misconstrued
when
I
said
I
didn't
see
the
work.
I
did
what
I
meant.
What
I
meant
to
say
was,
I
didn't
see
the
work
from
the
previous
iteration.
I
mean.
Obviously
you
guys
have
done
a
ton
of
work
on
this.
D
It's
it's
not
a
simple
building,
but
when
you
submit
you
know
when
you
know
getting
the
you
know.
Second,
third,
submission.
What
I
do
is
I
do
a
side
by
side.
D
I
do
an
overlay,
I
look
at
what's
changed,
and
so
when
I
said
that
I
meant
that
I
didn't
see
a
lot
of
change
from
the
previous
submission
and
I
can
say
that
again
the
what
we
what
we
talked
about
the
last
time,
the
the
biggest
point
that
we
had
made,
which
is
to
to
brian's
point,
really,
is
that
this
building
this
this
design
needed
rules
and
rather
than
clarify
the
rules,
what
what
I'm
seeing
now
is
an
additional
material
which
furthers
muddies.
Whatever
rules
are
being
applied.
D
You
know
you
talked
about
the
way
that
the
mater
you
know
how
the
materials
change
or
the
inside
corners
and
things
like
that,
and
when
I
look
at
specific
materials
and
specific
points
in
your
building,
that
makes
sense.
I
see
that
what
doesn't
make
sense
is
the
overall.
D
Like
brian
said
it
you
know,
and
I
and
I
I
you
know,
I
think
I
I
said
something
to
the
same
effect
last
time
that
to
me
it
reminds
me
of
tetris
and
it
reminds
me
of
tetris
in
a
you
know,
when
you're
running
out
of
time
and
and
you're
just
you
know,
trying
to
fit
things,
you
know
quickly,
so
it's
not
it's
not
a
clean
fit
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
and
you
know,
for
example,
you
know
I'll
just
point
out.
I
I
agree
with
robin.
D
I
think
that
you
know
cutting
off
that
brick
vertical
element
on
the
front.
I
think
that's
a
mistake.
It
doesn't
and
looking
at
it
looking
at
it
in
the
in
the
axon
it
it
really
makes
no
sense.
When
I
look
at
the
elevation,
it
looks
a
little
bit
better,
but
it
looks
better
because
on
the
elevation
it
actually
reaches
two
different
buildings,
one
behind
the
other.
D
Not,
but
that's
not
what
you
have
you
have
one
building
right,
so
I
don't.
I
don't
understand
that
change.
I
don't
understand
the
change
in
the
windows.
You
know
that
you
I
mean,
I
understand
you
know
you're
using
that
window
elsewhere.
So
in
that
sense
it
makes
sense,
but
it
doesn't.
You
know,
there's
no
relationship
between
that
new
top
piece
and
the
bottom
piece.
You
know
you've
got
three
chicago
style
windows
down
below
and
then
suddenly
you
go
to
these.
D
You
know
four,
you
know
you
know
more
square
windows
and
there's
just
no
there's
no
relationship
between
the
larger
parts
of
the
building
and
that's
where
you
know.
That's
where
our
you
know
our
comment
about
rules.
You
know,
that's
that's
what
we
were
trying
to
get
at
in
in
this
view
that
we're
looking
at
right
here.
If
you
took
that
you
know
that
ethis
part,
I
think
you
should.
I
I
think
you
you
should
limit
yourself
to
three
materials
honestly,
because
I
don't
think
you
need
four.
D
The
massing
is
not
the
problem
not
at
all,
but
so
in
that
case
you
know
you
see
that
that
piece,
for
example,
and
and
then
it's
just
this
sort
of
square
sitting
on
top
of
the
larger
white,
you
know
mass,
you
know
panel
whatever
it.
You
know.
Why
isn't
that?
You
know
that
expressed
that
that
the
vertical
line
taken
down
so
on
the
right?
It's
where
the,
where
the
balcony
starts,
and
so
that.
H
D
Sense
but
then
on
the
left,
it
just
just
gets
blurred
out.
You
know
so
once
you
hit
that
balcony
at
the
top
and
and
then
the
white
continues,
underneath
that
that
line
isn't
expressed
in
any
way
and
at
the
very
least
you
know
you
know,
I
don't
know
something,
you
know
if
you
can
take
that
whole
thing
and
bump
it
out.
You
know
just
a
little
bit
a
foot,
six
inches,
eight
inches,
you
know
or
take
the
the
wall
behind
it
and
push
it
back.
D
So
my
feeling
is
that
that
this
was
that
this
was
designed
and
planned,
and
then
the
plan
is
working
really
really
well
and
then
the
elevation
and
then
you're,
making
the
elevations
sort
of
work,
but
but
you're
not
allowing
a
push
and
pull
in
plan
and
in
and
in
section
or
in
elevation,
there's
no
there's
no
reaction
of
one
to
the
other
you're.
D
Just
doing
what
you
know
like
the
best
you
can
without
pushing
and
pulling
on
the
plan
and
again
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
big
push
and
pull
it
can
be.
Just
you
know
you
can
you
know
bump
that
the
wall
out
just
fire
it
out
a
little
bit,
and
then
that
gives
you
just
enough
of
a
of
a
line
to
express
things
like
that
and
tie
things
together.
D
But
you
know
to
to
me
the
best
elevation
on
this
building
by
far
is
the
is
the
rear.
It's
the
one
that
looks
the
most
composed
honestly
and-
and
I
think
it
looks
good-
I
mean
I.
I
actually
think
it
looks
good,
but
it's
the
one
that
makes
the
most
sense,
because
it's
the
one
that
seems
to
have
the
clearest
rules,
if
that
makes
sense.
J
Yeah,
that's
fair,
I
I
agree,
I
think,
that's
you
know
we're
not
regarded.
I
understand
everything
you're
saying
I
think
the
and
brian
and
rod
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
it's
it's
a
difficult
project
to
to
make
all
these
parts
work,
and
you
know
our
we
were
trying
to
get
away
from
a
more
traditional
base
middle
and
cap,
and
I
think
we
should
probably
go
back
to
something
a
little
bit.
A
H
D
D
It's
I
I
feel
like
it's
lacking
a
clear
set
of
rules
and
as
a
suggestion
you
mentioned
that
you
know
you're,
the
the
there's
the
the
basket
weaving
component
to
the
to
the
public
art
that
that
is
being
thought
about
you
know
is
that.
D
That
could
be
incorporated
into
the
language
of
the
building
where
you
can
take,
even
if
the
public
art
later
on
doesn't
actually
deal
with
that
at
least
not
explicitly,
and
you
know,
it'd
be
nice
if
the
building
that
you
know
in
a
way
was
built
to
receive
it
actually
talks
about
that
a
little
bit,
but
maybe
you
know
that
that
might
be
too
much
of
a
of
a
change
in
direction.
At
this
point,
I.
J
D
You
know
I
appreciate
that
brian
mentioned
looking
at
it
from
below,
because
I
had
the
same
thought
this
morning
I
was
like
we've.
B
D
Been
looking
at
this
kind
of
from
above,
which
also
brings
me
back
to
you
know
from
previous
reviews,
we
had
asked
for
more
context.
We
need
to
see
more
context
on
this.
We
really
do.
I
mean
this.
Is
it's
a
it's
a
prominent
site,
it's
one
of
the
one
of
the
main
entrances
into
downtown
and,
honestly,
usually
when
I
go
to
downtown.
This
is
the
way
I
go.
H
D
Did
that
this
is
going
to
be
it
so
you
know.
Maybe
this
is
a
little
self-serving,
but
no
I'm
kidding
but.
J
D
Yeah,
so
the
you
know
we
we
need.
We
need
to
see
what
this
really
looks
like
in
the
larger
context.
You
know,
we've
got
the
masonic
temple,
you
know
across
the
parking
lot.
What
does
that
look
like?
What's
the
streetscape
and
you
know
that's
something
that
could
be
put
together
pretty
quickly
with
you
know,
just
screenshots
from
google
maps
or
for
street
view
you
know.
D
D
J
A
J
D
Absolutely
that's
even
better,
that's
even
better.
You
know,
and-
and
I
and
I
appreciate
that
because
you
know
I
I
understand
that
that's
a
lot
of
work,
but
the
reality
is
that
you
know
again,
it's
a
prominent
site
and
you
know
with
great
power-
comes
great
responsibility
right.
So
you.
H
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you
guys
for
letting
us
give
you
feedback
again.
H
J
J
A
Okay,
next
on
agenda,
we
have
future
agenda
topics.
Does
anybody
have
any
future
agenda
topics
they'd
like
to
bring
in?
A
Yeah,
I
was
getting
ready
to
say,
and
I
think
they
were
both
related
to
72,
create
okay.
Well
at
that,
I
think
that
we've
covered
everything
and
we
can
close
the
meeting
now
so
we'll
see
you
in
a
month.
Thank
you.