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A
A
A
Okay
and
so
as
of
right
now
absent
our
urban
forestry
commission
members,
cecil
bothwell
parent,
young
and
sharon
sumrall,
but
we
still
have
a
quorum
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
introduce
the
rest
of
the
staff
and
guests.
So
haley.
B
Hi
I'm
nancy
watford.
I
am
the
storm
water
supervisor,
dsd
and
staff
liaison
to
urban
forestry
commission.
A
Thanks
for
being
here-
and
so
I
believe,
everybody
else
is
here
for
alternative
compliance,
but
if
you
want
to
introduce
yourself,
I
see
john
cox.
L
This
is
john
cox
representing
the
biltmore
square
property.
A
All
right,
I
think
I
got
everybody
speak
up.
If
I
miss
anyone,
I
think
that's
all
of
us
all
right,
so
we'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
have
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
that
are
linked
in
the
agenda.
So
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
I'll
go
through
in
the
order.
I
have
it
here
on
the
agenda,
so
first
on
motion
and
second
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting.
F
E
F
A
And
I
vote
I
so
the
minutes
are
approved,
we'll
move
right
on
to
alternative
compliance,
requests
and
presentations.
So
I
have
first
39
patent
avenue
if
that
one's
ready.
C
H
We
did
a
mic
check.
Can
you
hear
me.
H
Okay,
great,
I'm
not
sure
ben.
Are
you
here
for
this
project.
M
H
Okay,
great,
I
I
didn't
review
the
project,
so
I
wasn't
sure
who
the
applicant
was
in
this
case.
This
is
for
39
patent
avenue,
which
actually
has
a
second
address,
because
it's
got
two
street
frontages.
H
The
applicant
is
requesting
relief
from
the
required
tree
on
the
college
street
side
due
to
an
abundance
of
underground
utilities
and
on
the
patent
avenue
side.
There
is
a
mature
tree.
You
can
see
it
behind
that
barricade
there.
I
don't
know
how
long
it's
been
there,
but
it's
in
a
pit
with
no
grate
and
as
a
result,
there
are
a
fairly
large
number
of
roots
that
are
above
the
ground,
so
they're
also
seeking
relief
from
having
to
install
a
grate
over
those
roots.
I
don't
really
know
how
it
would
be
accomplished.
H
I
guess
they'd
have
to
shave
those
roots
off
which
could
very
likely
damage
or
even
kill
the
tree.
I
think
so.
That's
all
I
have
if
the
applicant
wants
to
add
any
more.
If
I
missed
anything,
I
am
open
for
questions
or
suggestions
from
the
commission.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
jennifer
did
that
want
to
say
anything
before
we
have
discussion.
M
She
covered
it
pretty
well,
the
existing
tree
is
generally
where
it
needs
should
be
as
far
as
compliance
goes,
but
the
she's
right,
the
roots,
are
significantly
higher
than
the
sidewalk,
and
if
we
were
to
try
to
install
the
grate,
more
than
likely
would
kill
the
tree
and
then,
on
the
the
other
side,
there's
probably
a
dozen
utilities
running
through
there,
excluding
the
one
we're
trying
to
snake
through
there
to
add
fire
suppression
to
the
building.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Do
any
commission
members
have
questions,
go
ahead,
ed
you're,
on
muted.
E
Can
we
go
back
to
the
the
the
slide
with
the
photograph
in
the
tree.
E
It's
really
hard
to
tell,
but
is
it
does
it
is
the
tree
pit
surrounded
by
brick
pavers
that
are
raised
a
little
bit.
M
To
answer
your
question:
we
are
required
to
replace
that
section
of
sidewalk,
so
that
is
possible,
but
we
can't
narrow
that
sidewalk
much.
E
Right
right,
more
of
a
linear
enlargement
along
the
road
yeah.
If
you
can
add
another
couple
of
feet
on
each
side,
I
think
it
would
be
better
for
the
tree,
but
it's
nice
that
there's
there's
that
separation
with
the
concrete
to
avoid
prevent
trip
hazards
and
luv
a
great.
A
Right,
thank
you.
I
think
you
know,
or
I
would
say
that
it's
good
to
have
the
existing
mature
tree
and
everything
you
can
do
to
preserve
it
during
construction
would
be
great,
and
I
like
ed's
idea
of
expanding
the
tree
pit,
if
possible,
along
the
road
frontage
and
if
there
aren't
any
more
questions,
raise
your
hand
if
there
are
otherwise.
We
just
need
a
motion
and
a
second,
oh.
J
Yeah,
I
do
actually
have
a
question
about.
What's
the
proposed
construction
design
solution
to
meet
ed's
question,
would
it
be
something
like
around
the
corner
on
haywood,
where
you
have
the
larger
open
tree
pits
with
a
little
fence
around
it
or
something
that
would
seem
like
the
most
feasible
and
you
know,
cost
effective.
G
We
have
one
caller
on
the
line.
Let
me
see
if
they'd
like
to
do
public
comment
caller
on
the
line.
If
you
would
like
to
make
public
comment,
please
tap
star
three
to
enter
the
speaker.
Queue
now.
G
A
Okay,
thanks
so
patrick
sorry
to
cut
you
off,
you
can
go
ahead.
F
E
A
And
I
vote
I
and
just
to
be
clear
to
our
applicant:
that's
just
a
suggestion!
So
as
long
as
you're
meeting
city
requirements,
that's
the
minimum
we're
just
offering
a
suggestion
to
improve
the
health
of
the
tree.
A
I
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you
chair.
So
again,
like
you
said,
biltmore
square
is
the
former
kmart
location
on
brevard
road
near
the
asheville
outlets
that
is
now
recently
been
reopened
as
the
at-home
store.
I
I
It
fell
away
from
the
building
pretty
steeply
out
the
front
door,
so
the
building
state
building
code
required
them
to
kind
of
level
that
up
and
then
talking
to
the
applicants
here
that
the
original
plan
or
the
previous
owner
the
owner
was
going
to
like
bring
in
asphalt
kind
of
up
level
up
that,
but
they
wound
up
going
in
their
subconscious
kind
of,
went
in
and
decided
to
dig
up
the
asphalt
and
when
they
dug
up
the
asphalt
that
demolition
triggered
an
area
site
compliance,
and
so
we
made
a
site
visit
out
there
myself
and
miss
watford
made
a
site
visit
and
yep.
I
They
had
removed
the
asphalt
and
a
lot
of
the
sub
base.
So
that's
the
requirement
that
we
have
in
front
of
us,
so
what
mr
spake
and
mr
cox
have
proposed
is
instead
of
kind
of
concentrating
all
these
trees
kind
of
clustering
them
up
in
the
very
front
of
the
parking
lot.
They
want
to
distribute
that
out
across
that
giant
area
of
asphalt,
more
evenly
distributed
and
I'll
kind
of
go
through.
I
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is
deviation.
Is
the
60
feet
from
a
trunk
of
a
tree,
and
so,
if
you'll
move
next
slide
haley
for
me,
you
can
go
and
bet
some
more
again
for
me,
please,
okay!
So
here's
the
proposed
site
plan,
so
mr
cox
did
draw
circles
for
us
and
you'll
see
some
places
where
there's
gaps
in
there,
and
so
that's
60-foot
rings.
I
I
The
the
majority
of
the
work
that
actually
occurred
is
in
this
upper
center
of
the
project,
where
you
see
the
ada
parking
that
was
kind
of
that.
What
was,
I
think
I
heard
was
a
pitcher's
mound,
almost
created.
They
had
to
kind
of
level
out
in
that
area,
so
the
ada
spaces
were
the
reason
why
it
was
demoed.
Well,
not
really,
but
that's
what
happened
so
and
then
also
note
on
the
far
left
here
there
is
a
row
of
parking
next
to
ridgefield,
there's
actually
a
24
inch
storm
water
pipe.
I
That
runs
right
at
the
back
of
that
curb
line
just
right,
underneath
those
parking
spaces
all
the
way
down,
and
so
planting
in
that
area
as
well,
can
be
compromised
and
talk
with
miss
watford.
You
don't
want
trees
playing
directly
upon
storm
water
pipes
and
anyway,
next
slide.
Please.
I
And
so
here's
an
aerial
photo.
It
shows
you
that
to
the
north
plant
or
in
the
upper
part
of
the
frame,
that's
the
existing
landscaping
material.
There's
a
mixture
of
shrubs
and
street
trees
along
ridge
field.
There's
some
parking
lot
landscaping
and
the
left
of
the
frame
that
kind
of
comes
in
that
one
dry
ball.
That's
the
formal
rise
in
the
far
left
corner,
so
there's
that
one
dry
ball,
and
so
mr
speck
and
mr
cox
are
proposing
to
spread
out
the
trees
in
this
kind
of
upper
two-thirds
parking
lot.
I
If
I'm
correct
here
again
mentions
the
24-inch
stormwater
culvert
on
that
northern
or
in
this
case
the
upper
part
of
the
frame
running
left
to
right
and
again,
I
said:
okay,
here's
your
public
discussion
comments,
hopefully
amy
I've
kind
of
covered.
What
the
gist
of
the
request
is.
The
applicant
might
have
a
little
bit
more
information
or
further
explanation
about
what
they're
trying
to
do
and
how
they
wound
up
here.
A
All
right
great,
thank
you.
Ricky
did
the
applicant
want
to
add
anything
before
we
discuss.
L
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
to
add.
This
is
john,
but
if
I'd
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
of
how
we
got
here-
and
you
know
we
we
can
meet
code,
I
guess
by
pushing
it
all
to
that
front
corner.
We
just
thought
that
it
would
look
strange
to
put
that
many
trees
in
that
one
corner
of
the
parking
lot
and
would
look
a
lot
better
and
serve
the
park
parking
lot
better
if
we
sort
of
spread
that
out
so
I'll
be
here.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
or
discussion
from
the
commission
don
go
ahead.
C
Hi,
thank
you.
I
like
this
plan
of
spreading
out
the
trees
there
with
the
species
list
that
you
have
of
yeah.
Thank
you.
I'm
not
a
plant
expert,
but
euonymus
is
not
a
great
species.
It's
not
on
the
recommended
species
list
and
I
didn't
see
the
nandina
domestica
on
there
either.
I'm
not
sure
what
that
I'm
not
familiar
with
that
plant,
but
I
would
recommend
looking
at
the
recommended
species
list
or
getting
some
advice
on
trees
and
shrubs
that
are
on
that
list.
A
F
L
L
G
Call
her
on
the
line
if
you'd
like
to
make
any
general
public
comment
for
the
alternative
for
sorry
for
the
urban
forestry
commission,
please
press
star
three.
Now
all
right
appears
they
have
exited
the
meeting.
So
I
think
we
are
okay
to
move
forward.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
noticed.
While
we
were
going
through
alternative
compliance,
we
had
a
couple
folks
join
us,
so
you
want
to
introduce
yourselves
kim
rony.
A
K
Thank
you
amy
again,
my
name
is
jade
dundas,
a
capital
projects
director,
and
I
really
don't
have
a
formal
presentation.
We
went
to
council
last
tuesday
and
shared
our
upcoming,
the
the
work
that's
remaining
on
the
bond
sidewalk
effort.
So
essentially
in
2016
we
had
a
bond
referendum
passed
and
established
seven
years
for
us
to
to
complete
work
that
was
identified.
74
million
dollars
worth
of
geo
bond
work.
A
lot
of
that
work
was
sidewalks.
K
Unfortunately,
for
us,
the
the
approval
processes
associated
with
sidewalks
have
been
a
little
bit
challenging
in
some
circumstances.
K
When
every
time
we
deal
with
the
railroad
and
a
couple
projects
that
had
railroad
crossings
and
then
also
a
lot
of
d.o.t
coordination,
which
is
which
is
great
and
certainly
appropriate,
but
it's
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
that
has
has
required
us
to
extend
our
time
frame
a
little
bit
on
the
sidewalks
that
we
more
than
we
wanted
to,
but
those
those
projects,
two
of
which
you
have
been
involved
with,
and
I
want
to
say.
K
I
appreciate
your
involvement
and
your
willingness
to
to
hear
staff
with
the
information
on
these
projects
repeatedly
and
then
also
be.
You
know
helpful
in
trying
to
work
through
some
of
the
the
challenges
associated
with
those
projects,
those
being
vermont
street
very
specifically,
and
then
also
new
new
haw
will,
which
hook
newhawk
creek
sidewalk,
which
is
a
long
project.
It's
a
mile,
long
project
in
the
haw
creek
area,
and
it
will
have
a
fairly
significant
impact
on
on
that
tree.
On
on
that
can't
be
along
the
roadway
there.
K
As
you're
probably
aware,
it's
a
very
tight
right-of-way,
there's
steep
slopes
on
both
sides
which
which
make
it
increasingly
challenging,
and
so
there
will
be
some
some
property
impacts
there.
But
you
know
we
we
have
working
with
staff
and
and
over
the
years,
have
brought
projects
before
the
the
commission
and
had
a
lot
of
feedback
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
to
take
that
feedback
and
incorporate
it
into
the
ended.
K
Our
design
efforts
and
really
just
wanted
to
take
time
today,
to
you
know,
introduce
myself
to
this
group
to
to
express
the
appreciation
for
the
the
work
that
we've
done
and
the
work
that
we'll
we'll
continue
to
do
and
then
also
just
open
up
an
opportunity
for
feedback
with
regard
to
how
we
can
work
with
this
group
in
the
future
and
then
also
guidance
for
staff.
On
on
that.
So
again,
so
I
said
I
didn't.
I
didn't
want
to
burden
everybody
with
a
presentation.
K
I
can
certainly
show
the
the
sidewalks
the
geo
upon
sidewalks
presentation.
Most
of
the
projects
that
we
have
in
there
are
relatively
free
of
of
impact
to
the
tree.
Canopy
there
will
be
there
will
be
some
impact
on
on
most
of
the
projects,
but
but
those
two
that
I
highlighted
are
the
most
significant.
So
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
open
open
it
up
for
any
questions
or
comments
or
thoughts
and
try
to
answer
anything
any
question
you
might
have.
A
Thank
you
so
much
well
I'll.
Kick
it
off
and
say
that
we
have
certainly
been
happy
to
work
with
your
staff
on
the
vermont
avenue
and
new
hall
creek
projects
and
look
forward
to
continued
cooperation.
I
think
having
the
open
lines
of
communication
has
been
the
key.
Just
you
know,
keeping
everybody
in
the
loop,
it's
been
very
nice,
so
I
will
open
it
up
to
the
other
commission
members.
Somebody
has
a
question
or
comment.
K
A
Thanks
all
right,
so
next
on
the
agenda
are
the
staff
reports
and
so
mark
submitted
his
report.
Here
we
can
read
through
it.
Do
you
have
any
highlights
mark
or
does
somebody
have
questions
for
mark.
A
All
right
next
is
the
dsc
tpo
report,
so
we
can
see
in
the
chart
where
we're
at
with
canopy
metrics
and
fee
in
lieu
for
projects.
There
has
been
some
additions
here
since
the
last
meeting.
It
looks
to
me
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
any
questions
for
nancy,
I
will
say
that
I
started
you
know.
We
talked
previously
about
sort
of
a
wish
list
of
expanding
these
metrics,
so
we
can
see
a
little
more
data
associated
with
the
ordinance
and
I've
been
circulating
that
around
to
get
feedback.
A
So
I
guess
nancy
heads
up.
We
have
our
list
almost
ready,
so
we'll
work
through
it.
We
understand
that
there's
some
technical
pieces
to
that,
but
we'll
get
the
list
to
you
and
just
it's
currently,
it's
labeled
a
wish
list.
So
it's
what
we
would
hope
to
see
and
we
understand
if
it's
not
entirely
possible
any
questions
on
the
metrics.
A
You
guys
are
an
easy
group
today,
all
right,
we'll
move
on
to
old
business,
so
our
working
groups
have
been
working
behind
the
scenes
so
starting
off
with
the
policy
working
group.
I
don't
know
ed
if
you
want
to
start,
or
I
can
a
little
summary.
A
I
thought
that's
what
you're
saying
okay
well,
so,
let's
see
since
our
last
meeting
we
met-
or
I
guess
I
met
as
a
representative
with
some
city
staff
members
just
to
kind
of
talk
through
what
can
the
next
steps
be
in
some
of
our
policy
goals
and
revisions?
A
As
a
nice
productive
meeting,
I'm
hoping
to
set
up
a
sort
of
a
repeat
with
more
of
the
working
group,
members
and
city
staff,
so
we
can
specifically
keep
working
on
revisions
to
the
ordinance
7
19
and
continue
with
the
chapter
20
work
that
has
been
started
and
maybe
create
a
timeline,
at
least
of
where
we
might
be
able
to
go
with
getting
that
implemented.
A
The
big
thing
to
keep
in
mind
for
this
group
and
for
others
that
are
here
as
representatives
that
chapter
does
require
some
more
collaboration.
It's
not
just
a
development
services
impact,
so
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
working
beyond
and
reaching
out
to
city
staff
that
would
be
impacted
through
other
departments.
So
that's
one
piece
that
we're
working
on
what
else
with
the
policy
working
group.
F
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
this
falls
within
the
policy
working
group,
but
we
there
had
been
some
previous
discussions
about
having
duke
energy.
F
Come
to
our
meetings
to
discuss
issues
related
to
tree
pruning
and
I
thought
you
were
going
to
reach
out
to
you
and
and
perhaps
then
woody
we're
going
to
reach
out
to
someone
from
duke
energy.
A
Yeah,
thank
you,
so
I
did
reach
out
through
ben
and
ben
copied
me
on
his
outreach
to
duke
and
as
far
as
maybe
last
week,
he
had
not
heard
back
yet.
So
I
know
that
ben
is
out
of
town
at
a
conference
so
when
he
gets
back
we'll
be
able
to
touch
based
on
that
again.
So
that's
ongoing.
It's
definitely
on
the
in
my
list
of
things
to
follow
up
on
just
haven't
heard
back
from
them.
Yet
so
we're
gonna
keep
trying.
A
We've
talked
as
a
group
about
you
know:
do
we
keep
trying
to
get
them
to
come
or
do
we?
You
know
kind
of
write
them
out
of
the
group
so
to
speak
or
even
officially.
I
think
the
consensus
has
been
to
keep
them
involved.
If
we
can
so,
I
think
that's
the
path
I'm
going
to
keep
pushing
for
is
that
you
know
the
more
collaboration,
the
better
and
having
someone
here
would
be
better
than
not
so
we're
going
to
keep
trying.
A
Thank
you,
and
so
that's
what
I
was
asking
then,
with
the
policy
working
group.
Are
there
any
updates
on
the
standards
and
specs
of
the
the
planting
manual
on
camera.
E
Yeah,
the
landscape
standards
and
specifications.
We
had
our
21st
meeting
this
last
thursday
and
pretty
much
mundane
stuff.
One
thing
that
did
come
out
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
in
a
few
minutes
is
the
the
recommended
species
list,
but
we
still,
we
still
have.
E
I
don't
think
our
work's
done
we're
still
going
to
work,
at
least
through
a
couple
more
sessions
and
avedila's
doing
some
analysis
now
taking
some
actual
projects
and
looking
at
the
implications
of
some
of
the
recommendations
that
we're
making
with
respect
to
building
impact,
trees
and
parking
lot
trees
and
spacing-
and
things
like
that,
so
we're.
L
F
Yeah
ed
did
the
did
the
task
force
ever
resolve
the
the
soil
amounts
for
trees
in
the
particularly
in
the
downtown
area.
E
We
are
definitely
working
with
soil
volume
numbers
and
you
know
I
wouldn't
say
we
have
the
absolute
answer
yet,
but
we're
very
close
and
that's
about
all
I
can
say
we're
we're
close
yeah
I
mean
there's,
there's
been
some
back
and
forth.
E
Naturally,
we
want
more
and
and
and
cities
trying
to
work
with
less
if
they
can,
because
there's
concern
that
too
much
soil
volume
costs
too
much
money
and
it's
too
difficult
in
some
situations,
but
our
our
position
has
always
been
more,
is
better
with
respect
to
solo,
lying
and
and
other
people
do
it.
So
so
we
can
too
or
other
cities
do
it.
We
can
too
so
we're
working
through
it.
F
So
is
the
is
the
I
then
the
the
issue
with
the
city
is
that
I
guess
it
would
be
public
works,
doesn't
have
the
money
in
their
budget
to
increase
soil
volumes.
E
No,
it's
it's.
I
I
think
the
real
issue
is
that
you
know
you,
you
don't
know
what
something
looks
like
until
you
do
it
and,
and
it's
sort
of
a
concern
that
you
know
with
with
a
dramatic
increase
in
soil
environment.
It's
going
to
make
things
more
difficult.
It's
going
to
make
things
more
expensive,
it's
it's
just
too
demanding,
but
so
so
there's
no,
no
real
numbers
behind
the
concerns.
F
Has
there
been
any
discussion
about
any
acceptable
alternatives
to
larger
soil
volumes
and
well.
F
The
the
health
of
the
of
the
either
existing
trees
or
trees
that
would
be
planted
in
the
future.
E
Yeah
we're
talking
about
suspended
pavement
systems
as
alternatives
to
concurrent
design
approaches.
So
you
know
you
do
this,
the
same
old
thing,
the
same
old
way,
time
and
time
again
and
you
get
the
same
results
which
for
us
is
not
acceptable.
So
we
have
to
do
things
a
little
bit
differently.
F
Would
that
suspended
system
be
require
a
udo
change.
O
It's
this
is
a
vadilla
yeah
in
in
the
landscape
code,
we're
suggesting
language
that
that
states
there
are
minimum
soil
volumes
and
and
those
can
be
met
with
suspended
systems.
So,
for
example,
imagine
a
parking
lot
tree
with
an
island.
The
island
may
be
big
enough.
That
there's
there's
no
need
to
suspend
pavement
over
the
island,
but
in
in
some
situations
they
may
want
park
more
parking
and
in
those
situations
they
can
pave
over
part
of
it
and
then
they
would
be
using
a
suspended,
paving
system.
E
A
Go
ahead
and
adjust
it
unless
there's
an
objection,
so
go
ahead
and
yeah
because
it
it.
L
E
E
Identify
trees
that
are
not
appropriate
for
use
in
parking
lots
because
the
parking
lot
environment.
So
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
list,
you'll
see
a
column.
That's
highlighted
in
yellow
that
that
has
for
every
for
some
of
the
species
that
has
the
word
no
guillermo
worked
through
that
list
and
based
on
his
experience,
identified
the
trees
that
just
don't
perform
well
in
parking
lots
and
what
we're
going
to
do
in
the
future
is
exclude
those
trees.
E
So
when,
when
the
city's
reviewing
plans
and
one
of
those
species
are
in
the
parking
lot,
you
know
it
would
be
a
red
line
to
to
revise
the
plans.
So
if
you
all
can
take
a
look
at
that-
and
if
you
have,
I
know
earlier
don
mentioned
some
some
shrubs
that
she
was
wondering
it
was
appropriate.
E
A
All
right,
and
so
that
everybody
knows
the
link
in
the
agenda
should
be
live.
So
when
you
link
through
the
meeting
documents,
well
the
in
the
meeting
documents
as
well-
and
you
can
link
directly
from
the
agenda-
it
should
come
up
so
go
ahead.
D
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
is
a
one
non-native,
invasive
species
plant
list
from
a
specific
organization
that
we
could
refer
to
when
talking
about
things
like
these
shrubs,
because
both
of
those
shrubs
are
on
those
on
most
of
those
lists,
the
ones
that
we
talked
about
in
the
the
plan
presented
today.
D
E
We
did,
we
did
pass
a
resolution
to
prohibit
the
use
of
a
non-native
invasive
species
last
year.
Did
we
not?
I.
E
Correct,
I
don't
think
it
would
be
hard
to
assemble
a
list
of
non-native
invasive
species.
E
E
O
Ed,
if
I
can
chime
in
in
in
in
the
section
that
we're
working
on
we
included,
I
think
this
was
recommended
by
mark
the
latest
guide
to
a
field
guide
for
the
identification
of
invasive
plants
in
southern
forests.
Yeah.
That's
jim
miller's
publication.
Yes,
so
that's
in
the
in
the
udo-
and
maybe
we
we
add
that
to
the
top
of
this
appropriate
species
list
as
a
cross
reference.
E
B
A
It
so
I
think
the
clarity
would
be
helpful.
You
know,
so,
if
we're
questioning
it,
we
need
some
way
to
make
it
clear
through
the
through
the
planting
standards.
So.
O
Well,
this
is
the
the
code
in
the
landscape
section,
so
any
any
landscaping
that's
required
as
part
of
development.
That's
what
this
refers
to
is
that
right,
ricky.
I
Yeah
I
mean
I
have.
I
did
do
the
review
on
this
one
detailed,
we'll
go
back
through
and
catch
that,
but
I'll
just
tell
you
truth.
I
I'm
not
familiar
with
all
these
smaller
plants
like
this
there's
the
recommended
species
list.
So
it
points
you
in
a
direction
to
go
to,
but
it's
not
a
required
list.
It's
recommended
I'll.
Just
say
that
I'm
not
a
plant
person
like
this
group
is
and
miss
walker's
a
really
good
resource
for
us
in
the
office
because
she's,
a
landscape
architect,
I'm
a
planner.
C
Well,
when
we're
talking
about
they
can
those
species
that
can't
be
used
towards
the
canopy
requirements.
Shrubs
are
not
counted
towards
the
canopy
requirement
anyway,
so
they
wouldn't
show
up,
like
euonymus,
wouldn't
show
up
on
as
something
that
people
can't
use
unless
they're
looking
at
the
recommended
species
list
or
the
native
species.
So
yeah
there's
some
loopholes
that
or
cracks
in
the
system
that
people
are
going
to
fall
through,
not
necessarily
loopholes,
they'll
exploit,
but
yeah.
That's
an
honest
mistake.
If
it's
not
glaring,
you
know,
like
don't
use
this
species.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind,
though,
is
that
yeah
that
the
trees
are
going
to
be
a
little
more
obvious,
because
it's
checked
more,
but
I
do
think
we
might
as
well.
If
we're
creating
these
landscape
standards
include
the
shrubs
because
they're
just
as
problematic
overall,
so
patrick.
F
Yes,
this
might
be
a
question
for
vadilla,
but
if
evasive
species
is
mentioned
in
the
udo,
does
that
mean
that
they
cannot
be
used
or
is
just?
Is
this
just
a
recommendation
that
they
not
be
used?
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
difference
in
the
definition
between
recommended
and
required.
F
O
You
can't
use
invasives
first
of
all,
it's
clear
that
it
says
no
credit
will
be
given
to
invasives,
so
you
can't
try
to
preserve
a
large
invasive
tree,
for
example.
O
So
you
know
by
extension,
I
don't
think
we
would
it
doesn't.
It
wouldn't
make
sense
that
we
would
permit
invasives
in
any
way
for
meeting
landscape
requirements.
O
E
I
wanted
to
point
out
a
subtlety
in
padilla's
language
using
the
term
appropriate
species
list
instead
of
recommended
species
list
is
the
direction
that
we're
moving,
which
was
part
of
our
discussions
as
a
group
as
well,
because
we
we
do
want
to
use
appropriate
species
and
that
that
alternative
compliance
project,
even
though
these
aren't
trees
that
we're
talking
about
they
are
required
shrubs
for
that
project,
and
we
accept
shouldn't
nandina,
for
example,
as
or
give
them
credit
for
those
nandina.
They
have
to
change
those
shrubs
out.
A
Right,
patrick.
F
So,
if
we're
coming
up
with
a
list
of
quote,
recommended
species
for
different
situations,
whether
they
be
street
trees,
building
impact
trees,
parking
lot
trees
and
I'm
assuming
based
on
what
I
saw
earlier
of
this
list,
there's
a
range
of
species
that
can
be
used
to
fit
each
situation.
E
We've
had
that
discussion
and
some
of
the
design,
folks
that
are
on
our
group,
don't
want
to
be
limited
by
you
know,
designed
by
default
design
by
requirement
that
there
are
some
species
that
they
want
to
use,
that
we
may
not
have
thought
of,
or
that
are
relatively
new
or
worth
trying
and,
and
so
we
kind
of
fill
on
the
term
of
appropriate
species
list,
instead
of
required
just
to
allow
that
design
flexibility.
E
It's
just
that.
You
know
from
a
municipal
perspective,
you
can't
anticipate
anything
that
a
landscape
architect
might
come
up
with,
and
there
are
situations
that
may
predicate
some
alternatives
to
what's
recommended.
So
we
thought
the
term
appropriate
was
was
probably
better
suited
to
what
we
need.
A
All
right
next,
I
think,
was
nancy.
B
Oh
thanks:
that's
the
thing
it's
recommended,
because
if
we
don't
update
it
frequently
enough
to
keep
up
with
the
nursery
industry,
I
know
there
are
a
number
of
col
illumina
versions
that
aren't
on
there
and
you
know
so
and
that
I
mean
that's
a
we
could
update
it
more
regularly.
But
I
think
that
adds
that
flexibility
to
in
not
requiring
this
group
to
update
it
as
regularly
as
that,
but.
A
O
Just
to
piggyback
on
that
a
little
bit
more
also
nurseries,
don't
always
have
everything
in
stock.
So
by
requiring
certain
trees,
it
may
be
really
limiting
and
our
thought
on
prohibiting
at
least
parking
lot.
Certain
varieties
is
a
better
way
to
just
ensure
that
the
trees
that
we
don't
want
are
not
being
planted
and
then
giving
more
flexibility
and,
by
the
way,
most
of
those
prohibited
lists,
treat
trees
for
parking
are
pine
or
evergreen
and
river
birch
is
on.
O
There
also,
I
know
that's
a
kind
of
a
pet
peeve
of
mine,
but
it
seems
like
that's
a
big
tree
that
is
planted
now
in
a
lot
of
shopping
areas,
and
it
doesn't
really
provide
much
canopy.
So
that
was
some
of
the
thinking
behind
that.
A
Thank
you
ed
did
you
saw
that
your
hand
was
up
so
okay,
you're,
good,
okay,
any
other
questions
or
comments
about
the
recommended
species
list
all
right.
Well,
thank
you,
ed
for
your
work
on
the
landscaping
standards
and
vadilla
as
well
sounds
like
you're
all
heading
in
the
right
direction,
so
appreciate
it.
A
Help
try
to
get
on
staff
a
urban
forester
and
approve
the
budgeting
for
a
urban
forest
master
plan,
and
I
had
to
look
at
my
calendar.
It's
been
a
whirlwind,
but
it
was
since
our
last
meeting
I
was
actually
able
to
set
up
meetings
with
three
city
council
members.
A
couple
responded,
for
example,
sage
turner
responded.
She
had
already
seen
the
presentation
that
we
gave
that
I
gave
to
stacey
and
she
didn't
have
any
further
questions.
A
So
she
declined
a
another
one-on-one,
but
we
did
meet
with
mayor
mannheimer
chairwoman,
gwen
whistler
and
chairwoman
antoinette
mosley
and
all
the
meetings
were
good
and
productive.
It's
not
as
simple
as
you
know,
persuading
city
council
members
to
vote
on
light
items.
The
budget
is
a
more
complex
thing,
they're,
not
necessarily
voting
at
the
council
level
to
pick
and
choose
details,
it's
more
of
a
supporting
overall
themes
and
ideas,
and
so
you
know
pretty
much
everyone.
We've
talked
to
supports
our
general
ideas.
A
You
know
that
nobody's
saying
no
to
environmental
preservation
and
canopy
enhancement
and
coordinating
more
on
city
staff,
and
things
like
that.
So
I've
been
working
also
behind
the
scenes.
Just
talking
to
ben
woody
to
just
try
to
get
more
information
about
how
this
process
works
so
that
we
are
putting
our
efforts
in
as
effectively
as
we
can,
but
it
is
moving
forward.
So
I
know
kim
you
just
came
on.
If
you
have
anything
more,
you
can
background.
N
Sure
so,
at
our
budget
work
session
on
april,
council
did
have
a
presentation
from
staff
that
included
examples
of
new
funding
requests.
If
you
go
to
ashlandc.gov
and
on
government
and
then
city
council
agendas
in
the
last
agenda,
you'll
stop
city
council
budget
work
session
and
you
can
click
on
the
presentation
there.
That's
the
document
that
I'm
referring
to
it
includes
items
like
code
purple
sheltering
software,
that's
needed
traffic
engineering
and
urban
forester
is.
N
It
is
currently
under
the
designation
for
the
city
council.
Strategic
under
neighborhoods
neighborhood
resilience
is
the
one
that
is
referred
to
there,
but
is
not
on
this
list
and
was
addressed
by
council
is
number
one
joe
at
all.
Our
strategic
priority
of
reparations
also
doesn't
have
a
line
item
for
reparations
funding,
so
that
was
a
conversation
that
was
had
across
the
council
dies
and
also
will
be
part
of
the
next
steps.
So
this
was
the
last
budget
work
sessions
for
council
in
this
cycle.
N
So
thanks
would
go
to
the
city
staff
that
you
liaisons
and
ben
woody's
team
for
elevating
this
rest
and
certainly
to
the
urban
forestry,
commission
and
stacy.
Your
support
has
been
loud
and
clear.
F
Yeah,
I
guess
a
question
to
kim.
F
N
So
one
public
engagement
or
public
comment
for
our
process
and
that's
right
before
the
city's
vote.
I
can
pull
that
up
here
in
a
minute
and
let
f
has
the
timeline
as
far
as
a
leveraging
point
exactly
the
right
time
to
say.
Thank
you
for
it
being
in
this
point
of
the
process
and
to
continue
to
export
and
to
assume
support.
N
I
also
would
say
myself
that
restoring
and
maintaining
our
tree
canopy
is
an
important
of
restoring
neighborhoods
that
have
been
divested
from
it's
possible
that
this
goes
beyond
neighborhood
resiliency,
and
if
we
got
to
a
point
where
it
was
removed
from
this
the
draft
budget.
That
would
be
a
good
time
to
plan
for
public
anything
that
you
see
in
the
city
manager's
draft
budget
that
isn't
yet
there.
F
Well,
I
yeah.
I
think
that,
then,
that
the
budget
working
group
needs
to
be
prepared
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
plan
of
action
in
case
the
funding
for
particularly
the
urban
forester,
as
well
as
the
urban
forest
master
plan
does
not
find
its
way
into
the
city.
Manager's
budget.
N
I'll
share
just
as
a
point
of
thing
in
the
past
eight
years
of
budget
cycles
that
I've
I
have
seen,
groups
prepare
to
speak
in
public
comment
to
gather
support
for
an
issue
say
like
support
for
wage,
and
so
because
a
group
was
organized
already
to
say.
Thank
you
support.
A
I'm
sorry
kim
for
me
your
audio
went
out
a
little
bit.
Are
you
saying
you
said
public
comment
like
at
city
council
meetings,
meetings,
okay,.
N
A
Perfect,
thank
you
so
much
so
I
will
echo
what
patrick
said.
It
sounds
like
the
budget
working
group
should
be
meeting
and
ready,
and
I
believe
that
group
does
not
include
me
it's
patrick
ed,
dawn
and
cecil,
and
so,
if
you
all
can
just
loot
me
in
though,
and
if
you
would
like
me
to
as
the
chair,
you
know,
send
any
messages
or
anything
like
that.
I'm
happy
to
do
so
and
then,
when
we
get
the
date,
we'll
be
just
be
ready
for
more
comment
and
push
sorry
kim
go
ahead.
A
N
So
in
that
same
presentation,
once
flinc.gov
government
city
council
agenda
and
then
at
the
time
presentation
for
the
last
work
session
and
the
slide
of
course,
that
is
not
a
number
right
now
about
halfway
through
it
has
a
three
city
council
budget
timeline,
and
so
the
proposed
budget
is
planned
to
public
on
may
24th
that'll
be
presented
to
council
during
the
council
meeting
june
14th
is
the
public
hearing
and
we're
scheduled
to
adopt
the
budget
on
eighth.
The
city
budget
has
to
be
adopted
by
council
by
june
30th
right
up
against
the
wire.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
all
right.
Anything
else
on
the
budget
request
all
right.
Thank
you.
Next
is
the
fee
and
lou
working
group,
which
is
myself
and
ed
and
zoe,
and
we
have
not
met
again.
We
did
set
up
some
folders
to
share
information.
A
A
Our
goal
with
that
group
is
to
set
up
what
we
think
might
be
a
good
framework
for
how
to
decide
how
fianlu
money
is
spent
so
that
we
can
bring
that
to
city
staff
and
city
council
as
a
way
to
help
with
ideas
for
setting
up
that
framework
and
being
involved
in
those
decisions,
so
anything
else
from
eder
zoe.
On
that
one
all
right,
then,
the
urban
forest
master
plan
group
is
the
same
group
and
we
haven't
met
again.
Yet
we
were.
A
I
personally
was
really
focused
on
that
budget
request,
work
and
the
meetings
with
the
council
members,
so
I
will
set
up
some
more
meetings
with
the
group
to
do
some
work
going
forward
in
that
area
and
our
goal
with
that
group
is
again
to
sort
of
draft
a.
What
would
a
call
for
proposals
look
like
in
terms
of
the
urban
forest
master
plan?
A
What
would
the
scope
of
work
be
so
that
when
the
funding
comes
through,
we
are
ready
for
that
to
move
forward,
and
if
it
does
not,
then
we
could
perhaps
look
at
ways
to
chip
away
at
some
of
the
pieces.
So
again
anything
else
with
that
group
or
any
questions
all
right
next
on
the
agenda
under
old
business
is
the
rules
and
procedures
manual
update,
so
this
has
been
floating
around
for
a
few
months
now.
A
C
There's
a
line
about
the
application
procedures
following
the
boards
and
commissions
procedure
and
then
there's
another
section
that
talks
about
nominating
and
voting
on,
new
members
and
officers.
A
No,
it's
okay!
We
can
table
this
because
that
is
important
because
up
to
this
point
there
really
hasn't
been
a
procedure
other
than
basically
the
chair.
You
know
gets
input
into
sides
which
I
don't
necessarily
believe
is
the
best
way
to
make
that
decision.
So
I
agree
that
that
should
be
addressed,
so
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
I'll
go
ahead,
patrick.
A
A
So
is
it
a
vote
of
the
members?
You
know.
Is
it
you
know
one
or
two
people
decide.
You
know
the
chair
and
vice
chair.
Is
it
a
subcommittee
decision?
Those
are
the
options,
but
we
haven't
just
you
know,
talked
about
it
or
decided.
A
If
there's
a
pathway
that
you
think
is
best
or
you
know
something
you
want
to
explore,
I
would
suggest
adding
a
comment
in
there
and
then
before
our
next
meeting,
get
a
chance
to
go
back
and
circle
back
and
check
and
we'll
try
to
come
together
with
you
know,
some
sort
of
final
version
good
all
right,
thanks
don
for
bringing
that
up
I'll,
take
a
look
at
that
piece,
new
members
and
what
was
the
other
part
new
members,
and
that
was
it.
That
was
amazing.
A
A
So
the
next
meeting,
the
the
working
group
that
the
city
is
putting
together
to
help
work
through
some
of
the
ideas
and
issues
with
boards
and
commissions
restructuring
is,
I
believe,
this
thursday
at
noon
may
5th
at
noon
and
you
should
have
received,
I
believe,
haley
or
nancy,
sent
out
the
link
for
that
meeting
this
week
as
well,
and
there
is
a
place
in
the
boards
and
restructuring
boards
and
commissions
restructuring
page
from
the
city
to
sign
up
for
updates
and
then
they'll
automatically
send
you
those
updates
as
well.
A
So
any
other
comments
I
know
I'll
be
going
on
thursday.
I've
heard
from
several
others
they'll
be
going
as
well,
but
don't
be
there.
Okay,
any
comments
or
questions.
Well,
obviously,
keep
you
posted.
A
A
That's
it
for
old
business
on
new
business.
We
wanted
to
discuss
some
procedural
issues,
but
I'd
actually
like
to
table
this
because
we're
missing
so
many
members
today.
I
really
think
it's
something
that
benefit
our
entire
group.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
have
to
vote
on
that
or
if
we
just
table
it,
I
guess
we
could
have
a
vote,
so
I
would
move
that
we
table
the
quorum
and
public
discourse
discussion
for
our
next
meeting.
F
F
A
And
I
vote
I
so
we'll
bring
that
back
when,
hopefully
we
have
the
rest
of
our
group
here
next
month,
don
go
ahead.
C
B
A
C
Sorry,
I
was
just
thinking
about,
even
though
we're
not
having
the
discussion,
and
I
just
encourage
people
to
read
through
those
two
things
I
just.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
each
commission
member
read
through
those
documents
like
today,
if
you
haven't
already
just
as
a
refresher,
if
you've
already
read
them,
but
between
now
and
our
next
meeting,
any
communications
that
go
out
should
follow
those
codes
of
ethics
and
decorum.
So
please
make
sure
you've,
you've
read
those.
A
And
I
don't
think
it
hurts
to
say
either
avoid
including
a
quorum
of
members
in
any
communications,
so
the
working
groups
are
set
up
so
that
we
don't
have
quorums,
and
you
know,
obviously
it's
very
intentional-
that
we're
not
communicating
outside
of
the
public
sphere.
E
I'm
going
to
say
this,
unfortunately,
a
couple
of
commission
members
that
really
need
to
hear
what
was
just
said
or
not
here
and
there's
got
to
be
some
way
that
we
can
communicate
that
message
to
them,
perhaps
nancy,
when
you
send
that
email
out
with
those
two
documents.
You
might
also
raise
those
two
points.
A
A
A
Well,
we're
gonna
end
it
anyway.
So
how
do
you
vote?
Thank
you
and
I
vote
so
that
is
officially
the
end.
Thank
you
so
much
everyone
we
will
meet
back
in
june,
be
on
the
lookout
for
meeting
location
and
information.
Of
course,
it's
always
possible.
We
could
go
to
live
meetings,
we
don't
know
yet
we'll
hear
from
the
city.
So
thank
you
very
much
appreciate
it.