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From YouTube: Public Art and Cultural Commission – September 21, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Public Art and Cultural Commission.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/public-art-and-cultural-commission/
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A
C
D
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
Carly
good
afternoon,
I
am
chair.
Joanna
Patrice,
Hagerty
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
guys
to
the
September,
21st,
2023
public
art
and
cultural
commission
meeting.
We
currently
have
seven
members
with
two
open
seats.
I
believe
that
is
correct.
A
Our
main
committee
roles
are
to
facilitate
public
art,
Engage
The
Creative
sector,
encourage
public
confidence,
build
Partnerships
and
collaborations
Aid
and
strengthening
organizational
structure,
and
today
we
are
going
to
talk
about
these
vacancies
and
appointments.
We're
going
to
discuss
our
Pac
coordinates
and
we
are
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
pack
Square
Plaza
visioning
updates.
A
So
the
next
thing
I'm
going
to
do.
Oh
right,
sorry,
we
are
also
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
for
those
of
you
out
there
today
with
us.
A
D
A
A
F
A
A
Much
can
you
see
it,
Joanna
I
mean
barely,
but
I
did
look
at
it
earlier.
So,
let's
see
if
I
can't
make
that
a
little
bit
bigger
for
me,
yeah,
it
looks
like
I
can
pull
that
up
a
little
bit
more
too,
but
I
also
have
the
agenda
printed
out.
So
don't
you
worry
so
the
first
thing
I
have
on
our
list
is
going
to
be
the
administrative
items
Steph.
A
H
H
A
A
A
You
Katie
all
right
now,
let's
go
through
a
roll
call
and
you
guys
help
me
I
also
call
myself
and
vote
correct,
great,
all
right,
Ali
McGee!
What's
your
vote?
Yes,
vote
forever,
great
awesome
and
then
Katie.
You
also
vote
correct
as
well.
Yes,
great
Andrew
is
not
here
yet
Shirley
is
not
here
yet
Pat
campus,
yes,
okay,
P
Perez!
Yes,.
G
B
Hi
everybody-
this
is
stuff
doll
and
I
am
going
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
the
vacancies.
This
is
really
just
a
reminder,
and,
and
maybe
a
little
bit
of
an
update
is
how
this
fits
in.
With
your
potential
ordinance
changes,
we
have
some
seats
that
are
open.
We
have
some
seats
that
are
going
to
come
open
once
Katie
and
Andrew
roll
off,
but
we
were
keeping
them
on
until
somebody
else
was
appointed.
B
The
next
application
deadline
is
is
going
to
be
October
11th,
because
we
have
asked
city
council
to
hold
any
of
the
nominations
until
January,
so
that
you
all
can
consider
those
four
vacancies
in
the
context
of
your
discussion
today,
which
is
who
should
be
on
this
Commission.
That's
both
from
the
standpoint
of
like.
Should
you
create
some
new
seats
that
are
standing
seats
for
partner
organizations
and
also
this
gives
you
some
time
to
talk
with
each
other
about
the
qualities,
skills
or
other
determinants
that
you
want
Council
to
think
about
regarding
other
appointments.
B
It
that's,
okay
and
I
can
find
out
what
the
application
packet
looks
like
right
now,
because
we
asked
them
to
hold
it.
We
haven't
received
the
applications
to
date
or
I
haven't
perhaps
Joanna
or
Ali
has
so
we
can
ask
that
and
then
Pat
are
you
wondering
I'm
asking
I'm
asking
you
do
you
think
we
ought
to
reach
out
to
some
of
those
applicants
and
let
them
know
we're
holding
it.
H
No
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
you
received
some
I
know
a
couple.
People
were
planning
on
applying
so
okay
I'll.
A
Forgot
yeah
yep
I
did
I
did
get
an
email
with
a
few
I
forget
how
many
it
was.
Maybe
two
or
three
so
I'll
also
remind
myself
to
forward
that
over
as
well.
Even
though
we're
not
doing
it
right
now,.
A
A
E
A
E
Yeah
and
so
on,
this
slide
I
put
a
quick,
just
timeline
snapshot
of
the
next
couple
Milestones,
including
our
meetings
and
due
dates
for
ordinance
approvals,
so
September
21st.
Today,
our
regular
pack
meeting.
We
can
potentially
approve
the
ordinance
today
if
we're
able
to
get
through
our
questions
and
jump
into
the
document
and
make
some
live
edits,
and
we
feel
good
about
the
place
that
it's
in
that
could
happen
today.
E
We'll
see
the
other
important
date
mentioned
here
are
those
pack
applications
that
are
due
for
the
next
round
of
nominations
that
would
happen
in
in
January.
So
that's
October,
11th,
October
19th
is
a
potential
date
for
a
special
meeting
if
we
need
it
to
further
discuss
those
ordinance
changes.
E
E
November
7th
is
when
ordinance
update
materials
are
due
to
the
boards
and
commissions
committee,
and
so
they
need
to
see
what
our
ordinance
draft
was
going
to
be,
and
that
includes
having
it
reviewed
by
legal
and
all
that
sort
of
thing.
November
14th
would
be
that
committee
meeting
where
they
would
approve
our
ordinance
changes.
E
E
E
E
She
was
able
to
to
look
at
that
discussion
and
put
together
some
questions
that
summarize
the
main
sticking
points
or
areas
where
you
all
were
having
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
about,
and
so
I
was
thinking
today
that
we
could
ask
those
questions
to
the
group
go
through
some
discussion
and
then
after
we
get
through
those
questions,
open
up
the
draft
document
of
the
ordinance
and
then
we
can
go
through
and
kind
of
fill
in
the
blanks
based
on
our
discussion.
A
That
sounds
great
and,
like
I
said,
if
it
breaks
up
or
anything
just
let
me
know
I'm
sorry
for
missing
last
meeting.
It
was
also
really
awesome
to
see
everybody's
perspectives
and
thoughts
on
this
and
again
kind
of
just
pull
some
of
the
questions.
So,
if
there's
anything,
that's
not
on
this
list
that
I
we
should
read,
discuss
or
consider
as
well.
Please
feel
free
to
bring
that.
I
A
The
first
question,
I
really
thought,
seemed
to
come
up
from
this
discussion
was:
are
there
any
final
advantages
or
potential
challenges
of
incorporating
permanent
seats
for
partner
institutions
like
UNC
Asheville,
explore
Asheville,
Arts
AVL,
and
is
there
any
disadvantages
to
having
so
many
permanent
seats?
I
think
that
was
just
a
question
that
came
up
in
a
couple
different
ways
at
different
times.
So
has
anybody
have
any
thoughts
on
any
of
those
things
and
they'd
like
to
share
any
updated
perspectives?
There.
H
This
is
Pat
I'll,
just
say:
I
think
that
it
would
be
more
of
an
advantage
to
have
these
permanent
seats
to
strengthen
the
the
committee
and
and
have
more
representation
and
commitment.
G
It
from
my
perspective,
I
think
the
Arts
AVL
and
explore
Asheville
are
very
clear.
I'd
love
to
hear
some
discussion
about
the
advantages
of
the
academic
side
of
the
equation,
because
part
of
the
discussion
we
had
was
not
just.
Should
an
academic
institution
be
part
of
it,
but
is
it
automatically
UNCA?
Should
we
consider
other
institutions
Etc
so
that
I'm
less
clear
about
I'm,
more
clear
about
the
other
two
would
be
where
I
went.
G
A
G
G
We
really
need
to
ensure
that
we've
got
the
right
person,
because
it's
not
just
the
institution,
but
somebody
just
got
the
decision-making
Authority.
Somebody
that's
going
to
be
engaged
and
I
think.
If
we
have
a
permanent
seat,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
voice
is
going
to
be
representative
and
that
they're
going
to
be
motivated
and
passionate
about
being
able
to
serve
on
this
commission
and
be
my
only
thought.
A
Yeah
I
love
that
Pete
I
think
it's
really
important.
It
kind
of
segues
into
the
other
two
questions
too
right.
So
at
this
point,
I'm
making
the
decision.
Unless
anybody
has
another
thought
that
we're
open
to
having
these
seats,
we
can
discuss
more
at
UNCA
in
a
second,
but
the
second
question
I
had
was
put,
can
or
should
there
be
a
term
limit
or
specific
ongoing
review
process
that
will
then
help
support
what
you
were
just
saying:
Pete,
making
sure
we
have
the
right
person.
A
F
You
know
having
the
right
people
and
having
people
who
are
committed
to
pack
and
supporting
it,
because
we
already
do
have
some
term
limits
in
place,
and
things
like
that
and
I
would
love
to
just
even
review
those
to
remind
myself
of
them.
But
would
those
be
adequate
enough?
We
have
had
issues
already
with
people
sort
of
not
meeting
the
full
term
limit
and
not
being
able
to
support
so
I'm
wondering
if
I
don't
know
it's
sort
of
even
a
broader
discussion
than
that.
A
E
Yes,
it's
two
three
year
term
limits.
A
That's
right,
two
three
here
yeah
actually
Ali
when
we
were
sort
of
in
our
executive
committee.
That
was
definitely
one
of
the
questions.
My
personal
preference
would
be
absolutely
to
line
it
up
with
that
and
I.
Also
wonder
if
we
aren't
having
more
of
these
permanent
seats
and
stuff.
Also
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
mentioned
that
we
could
have
sort
of
like
a
loose
agreement
signed
with
them.
That
sort
of
holds
this
accountability
piece,
but
then
I
agree.
B
I'll
just
comment
on,
since
my
name
came
up
regarding
the
previous
conversation
with
an
agreement.
I
have
found
in
the
past
that
that
you
know
the
Agreements
are
nice
to
have.
They
set
intentions
but
they're
not
really
in
enforceable
really
what
guy
just
as
a
reminder-
and
this
keeps
getting
brought
up
really
what
guides
us
is
the
ordinance
itself
and
then
City
councils
Rules
around
boards
and
commissions.
A
Yeah,
so
maybe
the
process
too
is
is
having
people
commit
to
that
we're
reviewing
the
ordinances
and
then,
like
you
said,
there's
this
more
informal,
just
yes,
I'm
agreeing,
which
adds
a
little
bit
of
accountability,
but
any
other
thoughts
or
perspectives
on
the
terms
or
term
limits
for
either
these
permanences
or,
as
Halle
mentioned
in
a
broader
sensor,
for
pass
back
as
well.
E
And
then,
as
far
as
the
review
process
is
that
that
I
think
would
be
if
I'm
understanding
this
correctly,
it
would
be
more
about
City
council's
Rules
for
boards
and
commissions
so
like.
If
you
know,
people
weren't
showing
up
for
meetings
or
had
a
certain
number
of
absences,
are
we
saying
that
we
want
to
add
something
more
to
that
or
just
be
more
purposeful
at
reviewing
at
the
end
of
a
year
or
a
term?
F
I,
like
the
idea
of
kind
of
keeping
it
the
same
as
we
have,
which
wouldn't
add
significantly
to
any
workload
or
anything,
but
also
just
being
yeah
I
like
the
idea
of
just
being
more
purposeful,
really
following
up
with
people
about
the
term
term
limits
and
well
not
terminals,
but
missing
meetings
and
things
like
that.
Sorry.
B
A
What
if
we
planned
on
having
that
be
a
part
of
our
like
annual
Retreat
as
well,
because
I
think
that's
the
time
period
we
try
to
get
committed
and
see
what
we're
doing
for
the
next
year.
So
I
think
that
could
be
just
a
part
of
our
open
discussion
that
we
have
there.
If
that
feels
good
for
everybody,.
A
Okay,
okay,
so
what
I'm
hearing
is?
Yes,
just
permanent
seats,
yes
to
the
same
terms
and
all
the
same
ordinances
that
we
have
already
or
or
rules
that
we
have
for
the
board
members.
We
will
review
that
annually
and
then
the
last
question
I
really
had
was
kind
of
diving
in
to
UNCA,
specifically
as
a
permanent
seat
over
other
educational
institutions.
A
What
specific
qualities
or
contributions
can
you,
climate,
candidate
or
I,
really
love
Shirley's
perspective
here,
I
wish
she
was
here
to
share
a
little
more,
but
should
we
make
the
ordinance
more
broad
to
include
Arts
education,
institutions
and
or
K-12,
and
the
one
part
I
just
wanted
to
kick
off
with
that
before
we
kind
of
open?
A
The
discussion
is
if
we
leave
it
Broad
and
we
could
absolutely
have
this
first
term-
be
UNC
Asheville,
who
does
seem
interested
right
now,
so
we
already
have
their
buy-in
and
then
we
are
allowed
to
work
with
them
and
then
see
if
that
feels
like
the
best
partnership.
So
that's
a
perspective.
I
wanted
to
bring
to
the
table
I'm
curious
anyone
else's
thoughts.
There.
F
Joanna
I'll,
just
yeah,
I,
agree
and
Echo.
You
I,
don't
know
in
terms
of
like.
Can
we
do?
We
have
to
open
it
up
if
we
say
that
we
want
I'm?
Sorry,
if
we
want
a
seat
for
a
for
an
educator,
Arts
education
institution,
then
do
we
have
to
broaden
it
up.
Beyond
like
we
know,
UNC
Asheville
is
interested
right
now,
however,
we
have
to
sort
of
pitch
it
out
to
everyone.
I
just
want
to
know
the
sort
of
process
for
that.
A
B
F
Right,
so,
if,
if
it's,
let
me
think
about
it,
if
we
are
saying
that
UNC
Asheville
is
interested
now,
we've
identified,
you
know
that
someone
might
come
on
from
there
and
be
interested.
Would
we
still
if
we
included
in
the
ordinance
more
a
more
broad
statement
that
we
want
an
Arts
education
institution
and
or
K-12?
Would
we
still
have
to
open
up
the
application
and
sort
of
put
the
word
out
so
more
than
UNC
Asheville
could
see
it
or
could
we
appoint
someone
from
UNC
this
year,
yeah.
B
You
would
still
add
So
yeah,
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
you
absolutely
still
would
have
an
open
and
transparent
application
process
and
city
council
is
going
to
make
that
appointment
if
they
feel
like
appointing.
You
know
an
Asheville
High
art
teacher
instead
of
a
UNC
Asheville,
Arts
administrator.
That
is
their
prerogative
once
that
ordinance
gets
gets
adopted.
You
may
at
any
time
provide
comment
to
city
council
that
helps
them
understand
what
skills
and
qualifications
you're
looking
for.
B
So
if
you
would
say
to
them,
we
have
this
for
Ebony,
any
Arts
institution
or
any
Arts
educational
institution.
However,
we're
really
looking
to
build
a
partnership
with
UNC
Asheville
because
of
the
pipeline
of
artists,
they're,
creating
in
our
community
or
because
of
the
resources
that
steam
Studio
has
historically
and
probably
in
the
future,
going
to
provide
to
public
art
projects.
You
know
they
they
would
absolutely
take
into
consideration
your
your
thoughts.
D
D
A
Yeah
I
think
that's
a
valuable
point:
I
wonder
how
we
would
feel
about
using
the
broader
term
and
then
seeing
what
applications
we
get
in
and
then
really
allowing
ourselves
to
decide
is
UNC
Asheville,
the
best
partner?
Who
knows
maybe
there's
another
higher.
You
know
maybe
Tech
wants
to,
or
you
know,
I'm
just
saying
what
would
that
look
like
too.
So
what
are
other
people's
thoughts
on
zoning
in
on
having
it
be
UNC,
Asheville
and
or
making
it
a
more
broad
scene.
A
Lots
of
thoughts
there
I
can
tell
I,
did
see
Andrew
join
too
so
Andrew.
If
you
have
any
particular
perspectives,
I
know
that
the
last
meeting
this
was
definitely
one
of
the
thoughts
you
had
as
as
much
as
you
love
UNC
Asheville.
There
was
a
bit
of
a
question
so
if
you've
got
any
thoughts,
there
feel
free
to
chime
in.
J
Yeah
and
thanks
Joanna
and
sorry
for
jumping
in
late
here,
I
yeah
I,
think
you
know
from
my
knowledge,
UNC
Asheville
has
at
this
point,
have
the
most
competitive.
You
know
probably
approach
to
it.
So
you
know
at
this
moment
in
time
it
would
feel
I
think
a
lot
in
some
ways
safer
to
go
with
UNC
Asheville.
J
But
if
we
want
to
Future
proof
the
ordinance,
we
may
not
need
to
restrict
it
that
much
and
just
stick
to
you
know
higher
ed,
and
that
way
you
know
if
there
was
a
great
public
in
the
future,
a
great
public
arts
program
to
be
developed
at
one
of
our
other
local
hiring
education
institutions.
You
know
we'd
we'd,
be
able
to
we'd,
be
able
to.
You
know,
use
that
without
having
to
rewrite
the
ordinance.
That
would
be
my
that
would
be.
My
only
concern
at
this
point.
J
A
Right,
yeah,
that's
a
great
question
and
remind
me
Steph
I,
feel
like
we
talked
about
the
fact
that
did
we
have
it
written
that
we
are
supposed
to
look
at
this
ordinance
every
so
often.
I
A
A
D
You
have
anything
so
the
the
public
art
master
plan
was
supposed
to
be
reviewed
every
five
years.
That's
what
it
says.
Our
ordinance
is
on
an
as
needed
basis.
So
at
any
time
you
could
review
it.
A
A
A
A
B
We've
had
very
short
conversations
with
staff
from
UNCA
who
are
willing
to
further
this
discussion.
They,
like
the
idea,
I,
think
you
know
we
don't.
Let's
see
they
like
the
idea
and
probably
don't
want
to
sign
some
kind
of
you
know,
agreement
about
what
that
participation
looks
like,
but
just
like
any
other
sitting
seat
that
we
would
have
on
a
board
of
commission.
B
Just
have
it
be
outlined
like
it
is
for
a
county
commissioner,
or
it
is
for
a
member
of
the
artist
community,
in
this
case
it's
for
a
staff
member
from
UNC
Asheville
or
not.
You
know
whatever
that,
whatever
that
looks
like
educational
Institution
and
they
believe
that
it
would
provide
stronger
opportunities
for
Partnerships
between
both
their
staff
and
also
their
students
on
public
art
projects
moving
forward.
So
you
know
we
did.
We
did
talk
to
explore
Asheville
as
well.
They're
also
amenable
to
participating
on
the
commission.
D
I
know
that
there
is
strong
support
from
explore,
Asheville
and
from
Arts
abl.
So
you
know,
I
would
be
in
favor
of
saying
just
a
higher
ed
Institution
foreign.
F
A
A
G
The
only
thing
I'd
add
is
to
really
be
careful
not
just
to
pick
the
institution,
because
UNCA
could
be
very
a
very
clear
linear
contact
with
what
it
is
we're
doing,
but
not
have
the
willingness
or
the
energy
to
get
behind
it.
So
if
two
of
the
three
organizations
are
there
and
we
feel
comfortable
about
their
commitment,
part
of
our
screen
needs
to
be.
How
serious
are
they
about
this
and
they're
willing
to
put
forward
a
sizable,
the
right
contact
to
be
on
this
commission,
so
I'm
kind
of
hesitant
only
looking
at
the
institution?
G
A
He
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
Does
that
mean
that
you're
saying
maybe
we
just
add
two
of
the
permanent
seats.
I
G
A
D
I'll,
kick
it
off,
you
know
the
definition
of
public
art
has
really
changed,
Beyond,
murals
and
sculptures.
It
includes
performance
in
public
space,
and
so
it
is
only
natural
that
we
would
include
outdoor
events
and
performances
under
the
public,
art
and
cultural
commission.
There
is
no
home
or
voice
for
these
events
right
now,
and
so
you
know
to
me
it
makes
perfect
sense,
but
you
know
interested
to
see
what
others
think.
J
Yeah,
my
my
question
would
be
you
know,
sort
of
a
broader
question
about
the
you
know:
the
constellation
of
boards
and
commissions
within
the
city,
if
not
public
art
and
cultural
commission.
Where
else
would
that
logically
live?
You
know
this.
May
this
stuff,
you
might
have
some
input
on
that
you
know,
but
it
it
feels
pretty
natural
that
this
would
be
that
it
would
come
up
here,
broader
than
just
like
Parks
and
Rec,
because
that's
there's
a
lot
of
public
there's
a
lot
of
events
that
happen
outside
of
that.
J
So
it
feels
that
the
purview
is
correct
and
I
and
I
guess
my
curiosity
would
just
be
like.
Is
there
any
anybody
else
that
this
is
is
gonna
have
overlap,
is
going
to
cause
confusion
with
other
boards
and
commissions.
B
The
department
head
of
decraf,
which
is
community
and
recreational
event,
facilities-
that's
Chris
Coral.
He
let
us
know
that
at
one
time
the
Civic
Center
commission
was
also
interested
in
this,
but
as
they
understand
that
the
Thomas
wolf
Auditorium
needs
some
real
attention
for
the
next
several
years,
they've
put
that
to
the
side.
So
the
thought
is
that
perhaps
they
would
enjoy
seeing
someone
taking
this
on,
knowing
that
they
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
that
right
now,.
J
F
I
also
think
the
the
frequency
of
special
events
would
be
helpful
just
in
continuing
to
activate
the
pack
as
well.
It
would
just
it
would
be
something
to
always
be
chatting
about
something
that
we
would
always
be.
You
know
coming
to
the
table
with
ideas
for
I'm.
Definitely
in
favor
of
it.
Arts
AVL
is
also
now
administering
the
event
support
Grant.
So
it's
a
natural
fit.
A
I
think
we
feel
pretty
confident
on
that
one,
so
that
feels
good
yeah
I
mean
obviously,
as
someone
who's
been
an
event
coordinator,
I
really
agree
with
what
Katie
says.
You
know
Hearts
just
Place
thinking
as
much
as
it
is
a
mural
or
things
like
that.
So
it's
a
pretty
natural
understanding
for
me
and
I
appreciate
like
you
just
teased
out
Andrew
too,
we
don't
want
to
have
you
know
too
many
cooks
to
the
kitchen
so
I'm,
also
in
favor,
peep
or
cat
Pat.
You
guys
have
any
thoughts.
G
H
I
pretty
much
agree
with
what
everyone's
points
have
been.
So
it's
a.
A
Party
list
well
Carly,
would
it
make
sense
to
now
then
pull
up
the
ordinance
and
make
sure
we
can
kind
of
start
diving
in
unless
there
are
any
other
thoughts?
I
feel
like
we've
kind
of
clarified,
that
we
do
want
all
three
seats.
We
want
you
and
see:
Asheville
explore
I'm,
sorry
explore
Asheville,
Arts
JBL
and
in
arts
education
institutions.
D
I'll,
just
before
we
move
on
the
I
think
from
our
last
discussion.
One
sticking
point
that
we
were
talking
about
was
the
history
piece.
So
do
we
want
to
address
that
as
well?.
D
There
there
is
a
suggestion
that
we
also
include
history
as
in
markers
and
and
things
like
that
am
I,
correct
stuff,
and
there
was
some
question
about
how
that
overlapped,
with
potentially
the
historic,
Resources,
Commission
or
other
other
commissions.
B
B
So
there
is
some
overlap,
just
an
information
sharing
from
that
standpoint
and
then
also,
as
was
discussed
at
this
commission
There's
an
opportunity
to
create
a
an
exchange
between
the
African-American
Heritage
commission
and
this
commission
moving
forward,
always
an
opportunity
there
to
to
consider
that
so
I'm
not
sure
if
staff
has
the
same
kind
of
level
of
information
or
recommendations
for
you
that
we
do
on
other
things.
Besides,
history.
A
I'm
happy
to
open
the
floor
to
other
people's
thoughts
or
perspectives.
It
sounds
like
that
when
we
need
more
teasing
out,
I
don't
know
if
we
would
want
to
use
that
for
the
next
meeting
or
if
we
want
to
try
and
kind
of
get
the
ordinance
where
we
are
so
I'm
curious,
other
people's
perspectives
there
as
well.
J
Yeah
my
opinion
is:
it
might
be
hard
to
continue
to
have
that
level
of
that
type
of
expertise
on
the
commission
all
the
time
it
might
be
well
better,
less
formalized
and
as
a
Cooperative
between
it's,
a
Cooperative
committee
form
between
other
commissions
rather
than
have
you
know,
sort
of
you
know
as
like
a
joint
as
a
joint
group
between
commissions
that
might
rotate,
depending
on
what
particular
Personnel
is
there,
because
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
have
to
look
out
for
is
like
being
too
specific
and
try
to
have
a
dream
team
casting
idea
that
we
can't
always
cast
properly
and
so
I
don't
want
to
get
as
too
boxed
in
on
who
can
on
who
has
to
be
on
the
commission
rather
so
that
that'd
be
kind
of
my
opinion.
J
I
think
that
leaves
us
a
little
more
flexible
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
enshrine
it
in
the
ordinance
and
we
sort
of
make
it
based
on.
You
know
who's,
particularly
on
the
commission,
what
their
skill
sets
are
and
make
it
a
Cooperative
effort
between
our
commission
and
others
that
have
relevance.
D
A
E
Was
a
lot
of
the
discussions
we've
been
having
around
pack
Square
in
that
there
are
a
lot
of
markers
and
mementos
and
things
throughout
the
park
that
we're
not
even
sure
who
placed
them
or
why
they
were
placed,
and
there
have
been
some
inquiries
in
and
around
the
plaza
about
placing
markers
and
there's
no
sort
of
guidelines
or
or
kind
of
things,
checklists
that
we
kind
of
go
through
to
make
sure
that
the
person
that
is
placing
that
marker
has
done
their
due
diligence.
E
E
D
B
Have
a
little,
they
are
starting
more
of
a
process
and
based
on
some
more
recent
things
or
recent
requests,
but
I
don't
believe
that
it
is
finalized.
E
Yeah
I'm
trying
to
think
too
in
all
of
these,
just
like
the
extension
of
our
scope,
the
different
like
subcommittees
that
we
would
potentially
need
to
form
to
kind
of
put
some
guidelines
around
some
of
this
stuff
so
that
we
are
able
to
operate
efficiently
in
those
realms.
E
What
like,
what
would
it
entail
with
special
events?
Would
that
be
partnering
with
John,
Philman
and.
B
Absolutely
we
would,
we
could
talk
to
John
what
that
looks
like,
but
I
think
that
includes
looking
at
different
policies
that
impact
the
way
special
events
are
held
and
also
helping
with
the
process
to
make
special
events
more
welcoming
and
inclusive.
B
So
one
thing,
I
can
say
from
a
staff
perspective
that
you
can
consider
when
thinking
about
history
is
that
all
of
these
things
may
be
really
good
for
you
to
take
a
a
look
at.
B
Is
that
something
that,
and
do
you
want
to
add
that
thing
to
your
plate?
Right
now
is
a
way
to
think
about
it
is
that
you
know
like?
Is
that?
Do
you
have
space
and
capacity
to
work
on
these
things?
You
know
in
the
next
two
years.
A
We
are
a
board
that
is
holding
on
to
two
people
whose
terms
have
ended
because
we
haven't
been
able
to
replace
them.
We're
trying
to
activate
the
people
me
I
worry
about
adding
something
that
is
lost
in
the
system
and
needs
a
lot
of
support
like
that.
Right
now,
and
also
I
think
history
absolutely
overlaps
with
art,
but
it
doesn't
feel
like
the
same
direct
link
that
the
special
s
are,
at
least
in
my
perspective.
A
So
I
would
worry
about
adding
too
much
of
the
ordinance
of
changing
too
much
to
what
we're
doing
right
now
to
give
us
that
time
to
kind
of
coalesce
the
be
a
team.
That's
working
towards
a
couple
goals.
E
A
I
A
E
Stuff
yeah
I
can
move
through
since
I'm
kind
of
running
the
ship.
Here.
E
E
J
E
E
J
J
Adjective
we
should
use
the
noun
that
this
is
kind
of
nerdy,
but
it
I
think
it
is
correct
to
use
the
noun
rather
than
the
adjective
and
the
name.
E
And
then
we
have
the
definition
of
public
art
where
there's
some
workshopping
Happening
Here,
temporary,
permanent
and
temporary
work
of
art
created
by
artists
or
I
put
craftsperson
just
for
you
know
gender
neutral
I
like
that
inside
it
in
a
public
space
or
and
accessible
or
visible
for
the
public
to
experience.
E
E
D
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
like
Place
Partners
agreement
like
if
there
was
an
agreement
with
the
city.
E
Okay,
so
I
was
thinking.
I
made
a
suggestion
here
that
we
could
complete
that
as
if,
but
wouldn't
be
a
part
of
the
city's
public
art
collection,
unless
a
formal
agreement
is
signed
with
something
like
that.
So
quite
close
that
sentence
out
the
way
it
was
intended.
I
E
Yes,
okay
and
I
think
another
ad
here
was
public.
Art
can
include
murals,
sculpture,
memorials
community
art,
digital
New,
Media
and
performance
and
festivals,
as
long
as
it
is
located
in
a
public
space
and
open
to
the
public.
Public
art
does
not
include
any
architectural
or
landscape
design,
except
when
developed
by
an
artist,
I
guess.
The
main
question
here
is:
are
we
leaving
anything
out?
Do
we
need
to
reword
anything?
Do
we
feel
like
this
encompasses
the
definition
that
we
want
to
provide.
B
I
B
So,
like
the
dance
Monument
is
part
of
the
city's
public
art
collection,
so
keeping
the
keeping
that
in
mind.
Yes,
okay,
so
we
should
probably
keep.
J
Do
we
want
to
leave
it
a
little
more
open?
You
know,
as
in
like
public
art
can
include,
but
is
not
limited
to.
J
A
A
E
B
I
B
J
E
E
J
Oh,
we
need
to
add
the
higher
ed
seat
right
and
then
change
the
the
section
one
to
say.
Six
members.
J
Would
we
want
to
say
that
they
have
an
arts
program?
I
mean
there's,
but,
but
we
want
to
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
great
institutions
that
you
know
may
not
have
an
arts
program
or
Arts
programs,
as
we
know,
can
be
on
budget
chopping
blocks
and
things
like
that.
We
definitely
want
our
hiring
institution
to
have
a
good
arts
program
or
in
arts
program
at
all.
Do
you
think
we
should
specify.
E
E
J
You
know
I
know
at
downtown
commission,
but
there's
a
permanent
feed
from
Asheville
Downtown
Association
and
they
appoint
to
it
and
there's
no
term
limit
for
it.
You
know
the
same
if
they
have
the
same
executive
director
for
a
decade,
because
they're,
successful
and
well,
you
know,
relationship
and
networked
in
the
community.
That
seems
to
be
an
advantage
to
the
the
border.
The
you
know
that
Commission
I
and
also
there's
the
pool
is
limited.
J
When
we're,
because
we're
specifying
these
seats,
the
pool
is
more
limited
and
we
may
want
to
broaden
that
pool
time-wise.
If
we
can't,
if
we're
gonna
limit
it
organization
wise,
you
know
what
I
mean.
A
A
way
to
just
I,
don't
know
I,
guess
stuff
kind
of
talked
about
this
in
like
not
adding
too
much
to
an
ordinance,
but
I
think
the
point
more
is
just
making
sure
that
it
is
still
the
right
person,
so
yeah
I
agree,
I,
don't
mind
having
someone
sit
longer,
but
just
making
sure
that
we're
really
assessing
is
this
still.
The
right
person
from
that
organization
feels
like
an
important
thought
to
include.
J
Yeah
I'm
just
thinking
there
might
be
really
good
reasons
to
not
have
turnover
in
that
position.
You
know
along
if
we
get
like
a
department
head
from
from.
Let's
say
we
got
a
like
an
arts
department
head
from
UNCA
and
they're.
You
know
they
have
a
lot
more
career
left
than
they
have
term
lift
on
the
on
the
commission.
You
know,
would
we
want
to
lose
them
because
of
this
provision?
That
I
would
say
I
would
say?
J
No,
you
know
that
it
the
terms
you
know
the
term
is
a
term,
and
so
there's
no
automatic
there
would
be
no
automatic
reappointment,
but
having
a
term
limit
on
those
seats
might
might
box
us
in
I.
Think
for
the
general
at
large
seats
should
have
turnover,
but
when
you're
stipulating
an
organization
has
a
seat,
I
think
it
could
get
tricky.
A
J
I
think,
as
long
as
their
seat
becomes
open,
that
they
would
be
remain
eligible
for
reappointment,
but
they'd
also
have
to
compete
for
their
job.
They
also
have
to
compete
for
the
seat
versus
someone
else
and
I
think
the
the
term
limit
provision.
What
bothers
me
about
it
is
that
you
might
have
someone
that
everybody
wants
to
keep
and
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
keep
them
and
when
there's
no
logical
replacement
for
them,
and
you,
then
you
know
you,
you
wouldn't
be
you
wouldn't
be
serving
the
I
think
the
our
goals.
A
B
J
B
And
it
is
this
so
I'll
just
say
the
city
rules.
Are
it's
the
same,
no
matter?
What
so,
really
what
it
should
say
is
members
of
the
board
may
serve
for
maximum
of
two
three
year
terms
subject
to
reappointment
and
if
you
wanted
to
get
really
technical
they're,
also
if
they
fulfill
an
unexpired
seat,
they're
eligible
to
to
serve
on
time.
On
top
of
that,
Explorer.
B
I
mean
we
might
want
to
say
any
City
vacancies
occurring
shall
be
filled
by
the
city
council
for
the
duration
of
that
member's
unexpired
term,
the
city's?
Not
so,
if
you
have
so,
if
there's
an
Arts,
adlc
and
rtvl
decides
that
you
know,
let's
just
say
they
appoint
someone
we'll
call
him
Patton
Avenue.
His
name
is
Patton
Avenue
and
he
works
for
arts
abl
and
he's
appointed
by
the
board
of
Arts
abl
to
serve,
and
then
he
leaves
and
the
board
declines
to
appoint
someone
else
to
that
seat.
B
It's
basically
going
to
sit
vacant
until
they
do
appoint
someone.
We
don't
have
I've,
never
seen
any
other
language
that
reverts
that
feeling
to
city
council.
There's
there's
one
it's
a
very
special
exception,
but
again
I
encourage
you
to
keep
your
language
consistent
with
pretty
much
every
other
boarding
commission,
which
is
you
can
have
seats
that
are
appointed
to
other
people.
But
your
terms
of
office
are
just
going
to
be
the
same
for
everybody
and
the
way
that
it's
appointed
is
appointed
by
those
boards.
Those
are
now
appointing
boards.
B
Subject
to
reappointment,
you
can
say:
that's
fine
I
would
strike.
I
would
strike
everything
else
until
all
members
Shall
Serve
until
their
successors
are
duly
appointed
and
qualified,
and
you
could
say
bye.
There
are
points
there
by
their
respective
appointing
boards.
J
J
E
B
B
E
B
E
E
Okay,
we
took
out
the
director
of
Parks
and
Recreation
since
that
has
not
been
the
case
for
a
while.
I
was
saying
that
we
don't
technically
have
the
Urban
Design
and
place
strategies
division
anymore,
so
should
should
we
say,
planning
an
Urban
Design
director
or
his
or
her
designee
Shall
Serve,
since
this
isn't
really.
B
E
That
didn't
have
any
working
on
it.
The
board
Shall
Serve
in
an
advisory
capacity
to
city
council,
the
city
manager
and
planning
and
Urban
Design
director
on
matters
pertaining
to
or
affecting
public
art
within
the
city,
the
planning
and
Urban
Design
director
or
his
or
her
designee
Shall
Serve,
as
the
city
staff
member,
specifically
charged
with
the
responsibility
of
implementing
policy
recommendations
of
the
board
in
coordination
with
other
Municipal
agencies
and
advisory
reports
for
all
projects
undertaken
by
the
public
art
for
the
public
art.
J
I
would
eliminate
his
slash
her
and
replace
with
there.
E
And
that
is
here
under
purposes
responsibilities
and
Powers,
should
we
add
something
about
events
and
festivals?
That
was
a
yes
and
then
should
we
add
something
about
the
percent
of
art
policy
and
the
selection
of
budget
priorities
in
here
and
I
was
also
wondering
if
we
should
refer
to
that
percent
for
our
that
administrative
policy,
and
here,
if
that
is
too
binding,
are
specific
for
this
ordinance.
B
You
could
say
recommend
to
staff
in
city
council
updates
to
the
percent
for
public
art
policy,
foreign.
D
Yeah
so
once
since
I
made
this
comment,
I
think
that
I
made
that
comment
before
the
changes
were
made
to
the
percent
for
the
Arts
policy
and
when
it
was
still
the
the
projects
were
still
associated
with
the
project,
the
capital
project.
But
now
it's
it's
in
a
pot,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
still
relevant
yeah.
J
J
J
J
Okay,
well,
then,
I'd
have
one
more
just
question
for
Steph,
and
this
is
about
the
events
part
of
it.
Would
you
think
that
it
needs
to
be?
You
know
what
stumbling
blocks
do
you?
Would
you
foresee
if
we
don't
include
it
specifically
and
we
just
leave
it
as
a
definition
that
that
falls
under
our
umbrella
here?
B
I
mean
you
could
just
add,
facilitate
public
art
and
and
festivals
and
public
buildings
and
public
spaces
and
I
think
that
would
be.
That
would
help
cover
this.
B
Up
I
think
he
made
a
proposed
law
and
you
need
to
vote
on
it.
It's
okay
that
Pete
left.
He
was.
You
know,
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
people
are
left,
but
he
did
establish
a
quorum
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
so
you
do
need
to
get
a
motioned
and
what
you're
looking
for
with
this
is
to
recommend
to
city
council
that
your
ordinance
be
amended
as
written
and
presented
on
the
meeting
on
September
21st
2023.
A
F
D
J
A
E
B
I'm
happy
if
everybody
is
willing
to
give
me
some
time,
I'm
happy
to
try
to
get
this
in.
B
That's
okay,
so
we
can
move
to
the
next
slide.
Real,
quick
and
just
say
that
all
of
you
are
very
familiar
with
the
pack
Square
Vision
plan,
as
it
now
holds,
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
about
what's
next
next
steps
and
we
have
three
projects
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
from
funding
that
we
received
through
the
melon
Grant
so
project
one.
This
is
to
take
the
concept
plan
that
was
developed
by
the
community
and
to
build
out
a
buildup
buildable
master
plan
right.
B
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
take
this
to
a
place
where
we
could
actually
bid
Out,
Construction
drawings
and
kind
of
disregard
that
one
of
those
things
on
the
right
looks
like
it's
highlighted
and
not
aligned
these.
What
this
is
on
the
right
is
to
say
there
are
four
main
things
that
guided
our
concept
plan.
It
was
to
connect
to
the
block
to
share
our
history,
our
Fuller
history
and
address
past
harm
to
provide
new
experiences
and
amenities
and
to
make
it
more
usable
and
accessible.
B
And
while
we
have
this
concept
plan
that
you
see
in
front
of
you,
it's
not
enough
for
us
to
start
building
from
so
next
slide.
We
have
a
second
project
and
that
project
is
sharing
our
stories.
That's
a
collaboration
with
Buncombe
County,
Special,
Collections
and
perhaps
other
entities
to
really
boost
their
oral
history
in
a
backpack
program,
which
you
see
a
kind
of
version
of
that
here
that
the
southern
historical
collection
puts
together
for
different
libraries
so
that
we
can
train
some
people
get
more
a
deeper
bench
of
stories
that
artists
can
use.
B
Historians
can
use
to
flush,
flesh
out
festivals
programs
and
teaching
education.
So
that's
the
second
project,
and
then
the
third
project
that
we
have
next
slide
is
to
reconnect
to
the
block.
So
you've
heard
a
lot
about
this
and
what
staff
is
doing
right
now
is
developing
a
membrane
of
understanding
with
a
group
called
The
Block
collaborative
to
talk
about
how
those
funds
will
be
used.
Who
will
be
at
the
table?
Who
will
be
making
decisions?
B
What
will
happen
if
the
you
know
Unthinkable
happens
and
and
and
how
we
will
prioritize
different
pieces
of
this
project?
Moving
forward
next
slide.
B
Well,
what
we
really
want
to
talk
to
you
about
is
what
I'm
going
to
call
Project
1A.
So
for
that
first
project,
which
is
taking
things
from
a
concept
plan
to
a
buildable
master
plan.
We
need
to
do
something
before
we
do
that,
and
we
need
to
have
an
understanding
for
the
community
of
what's
already
in
that
space
regarding
markers,
memorials,
storytelling
and
pieces
of
public
art.
We
all
talked
about
this
before
the
pack,
Square
Vision
even
started.
If
you
remember,
we
had
some
site
visits,
we
talked
about
how
it
would
be
good
to
know.
B
What's
actually
out
there,
we
have
a
variety
of
lists.
The
lists
are
incomplete
and
we
want
to
have
them
not
only
be
prepared
in
a
list
style
but
actually
be
analyzed
and
to
have
some
recommendations
that
come
out
of
it.
These
are
the
kinds
of
questions
that
we're
asking
like
what
stories
are
we
telling?
Whose
story
are
we
telling?
Are
we
telling
the
full
story?
What
histories
are
we
not
telling
in
this
space?
Are
these
pieces
that
we
have
out
there
needing
reinterpretation
redesign
or
reinvestment?
Would
it
benefit
the
public?
B
If
we
move
some
pieces
around
or
removed
more
pieces,
do
we
need
to
add
additional
pieces?
These
are.
These
are
pretty
big
questions
that
we're
going
to
have
to
solve,
for,
as
we
come
up
with
a
new
design
for
the
plaza
in
different
areas
before
I
go
any
further,
does
it
make
sense
to
people
that
we
want
to
do
this
project
before
we
redesign
the
area?
Everybody
gets
that
okay
I'm
seeing
nods,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
different
opportunities
here.
B
A
big
thing
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
is
to
develop
those
deeper
Partnerships
that
you
all
have
been
talking
about,
even
in
your
conversations
around
memberships.
So
a
few
of
you
have
participated
in
the
advisory
committee
meetings
or
in
some
of
the
public
meetings
you
may
have
seen
at
the
downtown
commission.
At
their
last
meeting,
one
of
the
advisory
committee
members
came
and
spoke
about
what
that
plan
means
to
her
and
the
group
that
she's
most
closely
associated
with
and
that
members
Kimberly
Smith
she's
from
the
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee
Indians.
B
That
is
a
partner
we
already
know,
is
interested
in
participating
in
this
project.
They're
interested
in
in
a
large
way,
both
in
providing
resources
that
can
help
us
get
it
done
and
also
in
looking
at
what
that
analysis
means
for
what's
next,
during
the
design
process,
most
likely
for
someone
like
Kimberly,
what
we're
going
to
do
or
whomever
from
UBC
I
actually
participates,
is
we
will
form
another
committee,
and
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
that
committee
sits
or
has
a
home
in
the
public,
art
and
cultural
commission
at
this
point.
B
I
I
think
that
it
may
need
to
be
more
formalized,
but
I,
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
yeah
and
I.
Would
let
the
group
really
dig
into
that
piece?
A
working
group
would
not
advertise
its
meetings
publicly
wouldn't
know,
have
to
notice
them
and
I'm
wondering
if
that,
what's
the
best
public
benefit
here,
what's
in
the
Public's
interest,
is
it
you
know
fine
to
just
have
a
working
group
like
that
or
do
you
all
think
that
we
need
to
be
noticing
these
meetings.
B
Or
would
that
be
the
same?
Yeah!
That's
the
that's!
That's
right!
So
if
it
was
like
a
standing
subcommittee
that
was
formally
created,
you
would
know
you
would
have
noticed
meetings
and
then,
if
it
was
just
a
working
group
that
was
casually
getting
together
and
just
kind
of
like
every
once
in
a
while
saying.
Well,
let's
get
together
Thursday,
you
wouldn't
notice
the
meetings.
B
E
One
comment
I
was
going
to
make
is
based
on
the
working
groups
that
we
had
been
or
that
we
put
together.
One
of
the
groups
was
the
artist
selection
panels
as
needed
in
ongoing
high
priority
projects
working
group
and
technically
we
what
we
had
that
defined,
as
is
focusing
on
representing
pack
on
new
public
art
selection
panels
as
needed,
supporting
longer
term
high
priority
projects
such
as
the
Pax
Square,
Plaza
visioning.
E
B
B
B
D
So
Steph
I
feel,
like
the
the
commission,
should
understand
that.
There's
not
money
in
the
Mellon
grant
for
the
asset
inventory,
and
this
would
be
something
that
funding
from
Pac
or
from
public
art
program
would
need
to
help
cover
potentially.
I
C
J
My
my
thoughts
are:
this
is
something
that's
needful.
My
personal
voice
here
is
that
I
will
not
be
on
the
commission
long
and
I.
Don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
commit.
You
know
make
a
commitment
on
this,
so
I'm,
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
go
with
the
flow
on
this,
so
I
do
observe
that
it
is
something
needful
but
I.
You
know
not
I
probably
won't
be
around
to
pitch
in
on
this,
unless
it
says
outside
volunteer.
H
It
feels
like
the
right
fit
to
me
and
I
agree
with
Katie
that
this
could
be
a
nice.
You
know
foray
into
getting
that
that
larger
audit
done.
You
know
if
this
can
be
the
first
example
of
it.
B
Give
you
time
now
to
kind
of
close
your
meeting
I
think
that's
good
enough
input
for
us
right
now.
We
will
come
back
to
you
at
your
next
meeting
or
via
an
email.
If
something
happens
before
then,
with
a
bit
of
a
proposal
of
how
this
might
look,
I
would
ask
anyone
who
is
interested
in
helping
us
develop
that
proposal
to
think
about
emailing
Carly.