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B
B
And
entering
code
9384
for
those
wishing
to
give
public
comment
during
an
agenda
item,
please
call
in
and
press
star
3
to
enter
the
caller
queue.
I
will
now
ask
commission
members
to
introduce
themselves
and
to
say
a
sentence
or
two
about
their
background
or
experience
as
it
relates
to
serving
on
the
commission.
C
B
F
B
And
tonight
we
are
going
to
welcome
shelly
jackson
buffington.
This
is
her
first
commission
meeting
with
us
shelley.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
saying
hello.
G
Hi
thanks
so
much
for
having
me
here,
hi
everyone.
I
live
in
north
asheville,
with
my
husband
I
lived
in
and
around
asheville
off
and
on
throughout
my
adult
life
and
finally
made
the
full-time
move
back
here
a
year
ago
and
I've
always
just
loved
asheville,
so
I'm
happy
to
serve
in
this
way.
I
have
a
bachelor's
in
history
and
an
mba
focusing
on
nonprofit
management
and
museum
management,
and
I
have
a
background
in
working
in
historic
house
museums
and
I'm
currently
the
ceo
and
founder
of
a
branding
agency.
B
H
B
Commissioner
oliva
aye
commissioner
vaughn
aye,
commissioner
buffington
hi
I
and
myself
I
as
well
that
motion
carries.
Did
I
get
everybody
more?
My
list
was
a
little
scrambled,
so
I
apologize
that
if
I
hopefully
did
not
miss
anyone.
Okay,
we're
going
to
begin
the
evidentiary
hearings
for
the
items
that
are
listed
on
our
agenda
as
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
hrc
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
B
The
hrc
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
the
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district
for
that
application.
The
hrc
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
hrc
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
The
commissioners
in
voting
for
an
item
will
not
have
a
fixed
opinion.
B
That's
not
susceptible
to
change
will
not
have
a
conflict
of
interest
and
will
not
have
engaged
in
next
party
communication
regarding
the
application.
The
following
are
the
rules
for
speaking.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public,
but
participation
is
limited
to
interested
parties
who
wish
to
provide
comment
and
testimony
regarding
the
proposal.
B
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historic
standard,
historic
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion
witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony.
At
this
time
I
will
administer
the
oath
for
all
individuals
who
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony.
Let's
see
who
we've
got
today
so
far,.
I
B
B
J
Good
evening,
everyone
brendan
mills,
director
of
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion,
and
alex
asked
me
to
come.
She
said
that
you
had
had
some
questions
around
reparations.
I
was
wondering
if
you
may
want
to
give
me
a
little
bit
of
feedback,
and
then
I
think
I'll
go
over
our
process
and
where
we're
expecting
to
go
for
the
future,
would
that
be
okay.
F
Sure
I'll
jump
in
here,
because
I'm
the
one
who
raised
this
the
most
my
concern
is
making
sure,
as
in
talking
to
certain
people
involved
in
the
south,
asheville
cemetery,
that
historic
black
resources
are
taking
into
consideration
during
the
reparations
process.
Because
someone
once
noted
you
know
why
are
we
spending
money
to
try
and
preserve
the
band's
monument
and
not
spending
any
money
to
preserve
the
south
asheville
cemetery?
F
So
my
question
has
been
this
commission
weighed
in
to
advise
the
city
council,
make
clear
to
the
council
our
opinion
about
what
was
happening
on
charlotte
street,
and
I've
asked
us
repeatedly
to
weigh
in
with
the
city
council
about
making
sure
that
there
are
sufficient
resources
and
consideration
taking
into
preserving
black
historic
resources
in
asheville.
So
others
may
have
some
more
thoughts
on
that.
But
I
that's
mostly
me.
J
Anyone
else
that's
great,
so
is
there,
I
guess.
Let
me
just
go
over
what
we've
planned
to
do.
First
of
all,
we
haven't
started
so
there's.
No.
We
you
know
whether
we've
done
this
or
that
we're
just
getting
where
we're
seating.
The
25
member
commission,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know,
the
commission
is
made
up
of
15
neighborhood
representatives,
ours.
Our
neighborhoods
were
able
to
provide
their
own
representatives.
City
council
did
not
vet
those
they
just
ceremoniously
approved
those
they
have.
J
A
few
of
the
neighborhoods
do
have
some
alternates
just
in
case
there
are
issues
around
people
being
not
able
to
be
there
functionally
or
you
know
just
in
case
those
folks
will
attend,
but
not
vote,
and
then
we
have
five
impact,
focus
areas,
criminal
justice,
education,
economic
development,
housing
and
health
and
wellness,
and
in
those
areas
the
city
council
picked
five
with
two
alternates
and
the
county
commissioners
picked
five
with
two
alternates,
so
you
have
a
board
of
about
34
35
people
with
the
alternates
just
being
non-voting
members,
but
attending
we
are
at
this
point.
J
The
commission
is
getting
ready
to
we're
working
on
a
orientation
meeting.
I
don't
know
if
it'll
be
a
two
two
hour
meetings
or
one
four
hour
meeting,
but
they
have
an
onboarding
guide.
Our
legal
staff
from
the
city
and
the
county
will
be
there
to
talk
to
them
about
around
legal
issues,
open
meeting
laws,
those
types
of
things
serving
on
boards,
things
of
that
nature.
That
would
be
necessary
for
them.
We
do
have
a
statement
of
commitment.
Our
board
members
are
being
asked
to
be
here
focused
on
reparations.
J
J
They
are
here
to
represent
black
asheville
and
to
make
recommendations
around
that
in
terms
of
repair
things
that
we
can
do
to
repair
in
those
five
impact
areas.
The
the
goal
right
now
is
to
get
those
orientation
done
by
around
mid
may
meetings
will
begin
monthly.
J
There
will
be
a
main
meeting
every
month
of
the
I
think
I
said,
34
35
members
and
then
their
focus
area
meetings
will
be
separate,
so
the
criminal
justice
group
and
each
of
these
folks
that
applied
shared
their
interests
in
either
one
of
those
five
areas,
so
they
will
be
broken
up
around
five
to
six
members,
each
just
depending
on
how
it
works
out.
J
All
meetings
will
be
pub
open
to
the
public,
we're
looking
at
recording
the
first
two
meetings
of
the
orientation
just
so
the
community
has
access
to
understanding
what
the
committee,
what
their
charges
and
what
they're
able
to
do,
our
legal
will
attend
our
city
staff,
county
staff
will
attend,
and
then
we
have
a
project
manager
tequity
with
an
assistant
project
manager,
solaminar
merit
who
is
here
locally.
J
Our
five
facilitators
are
local
folks
here
as
well.
The
commission
is
charged
with
making
recommendations
to
the
city
council
in
the
short
term
we're
looking
at
that
being
around
the
end
of
summer.
Maybe
the
first
of
the
fall
by
the
end
of
the
year,
medium
goals,
I'm
thinking
short-term
goals,
are
things
that
we
can
start
working
on.
Medium
goals.
May
need
budget
considerations
which
will
be
great
timing,
because
our
budget
planning
will
have
begun
and
then
long-term
recommendations
will
be
made
in
the
spring
of
next
year.
Late
spring
of
next
year.
J
There
will
be
an
evaluation
and
a
final
report
and
all
information
and
data
gathered
and
shared
with
the
commission
will
be
capsulized
in
a
document.
From
that
point,
I
am
not
sure
if
we
will
keep
some
semblance
of
the
board
if
the
board
will
remain,
for
you
know
a
period
of
time.
I'll
know
more
of
that
as
we
get
started.
J
Is
there
something
I
can
answer
a
question
around?
So
I'm
sorry,
let
me
do
this,
sir.
What
is
your
name
again?
I'm
sorry
name's.
K
J
My
gosh-
I
am
so
sorry,
but
we
we
chose
those
impact
focus
area
folks,
because
that's
what
they
do.
You
know
the
folks
in
housing,
economic
development,
so
they're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
presentations
around
that.
I
would
suggest,
mr
vaughn,
that
you
send
in
an
interest
there's
an
interest
form
on
the
project
page
for
reparations
in
the
city's
engagement
hub
and
write
out
something
about
that
history.
We
also
are
still
going
to
be
doing
oral
histories.
J
You
know
video
verbal,
those
types
of
things.
We
want
to
gather
all
that
information.
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
done
a
great
job
with
that.
With
that
south
asheville,
the
cemetery.
J
We
want
to
gather
all
of
that
information
that
needs
to
be
brought
to
the
forefront,
because
the
goal
is
we're
not
a
federal
government.
So
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
a
significant
amount,
but
what
we
can
do
is
catalog
what
has
happened
and
what
the
impacts
have
been
and
what
are
the
resources
and
the
treasures
that
we
still
have
that
need
to
be
preserved,
and
I
know
that
that's
a
top
interest
of
the
historic
resources
commission's
mine
at
this
time
does
that
help
kind
of.
F
Yes,
okay,
there's
been
some
confusion
about
where
black
and
shark
resources
and
the
preservation
of
them
the
ymis
of
the
world
and
and
some
of
these
churches
and
things-
and
you
know,
and
some
of
these
other
areas
of
the
city
and
and
where
they
would
fit
into
being
considered
in
this
process
and
just
the
staff
is
weighed
in
saying,
look
we're
there.
F
They
have
there's
five
areas
and
my
concern
was
where,
where
these
areas
considered
and
and
and
said,
okay,
we
need
to
prioritize
to
this
five
or
were
they
never
taken
into
consideration
when
the
council
was
weighing
the
five
and
if
so,
how
did
that
sort
of
fall
through
the
cracks
that
the
commission
that
exists
for
this
purpose?
To
advise
the
city
council
provide
policy
recommendations
doesn't
seem
to
have
had
much
say
in
that.
J
The
goal
at
this
point
is
to
respond
to
black
asheville,
so
black
asheville
will
be
weighing
in
as
well
as
other
folks
who
have
interests
of
information,
so
this
is
meant
to
impact
black
asheville
in
specific,
so
you
have
neighborhoods,
of
which
those
historic
resources
live
in
those
neighborhoods
eagle
market
street
is
right
down
in
the
back
down.
J
They
call
themselves
the
block
community
collaborative
right
now,
which
includes
you,
know
the
church,
mount
zion,
church,
eagle,
marcus
street,
the
eagle
marketplace,
all
of
those
all
of
those
entities
and
the
businesses
there,
and
so,
as
the
commission
is
working
through
that
that's
some
of
the
work
that
they
will
be
needing
to
hear
about.
We
want
feedback.
J
It's
not
just
going
to
be
the
commission
hearing,
presentations
and
making
decisions.
We
see
our
boards
being
very
much
a
part
of
those
presentations.
We
see
our
communities
and
folks
that
want
to
give
testimony
can
come
into
those
commissions
as
well.
Remember
this
is
an
18
to
24
month
process,
it's
looking
like,
maybe
a
year
and
a
half
but
we'll
just
see
where
we.
F
J
Neighborhood
is
in
there,
so
he
can
speak
up
for
that.
That
would
be
great
we're
not
excluding
anybody.
I'm
not
sure
why
people
are
thinking
that,
but
this
is
around
black
asheville.
So
if
there
are,
if
there
are
things
that
you
feel
like
are
going
have
been
and
have
been,
have
been
and
have
and
still
continuing
or
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
preserve
because
city
and
county
is
still
talking
about.
J
Why
am
I
you
know
and
all
of
the
types
of
things
that
are
going
on
around
that
the
things
we're
legally
able
to
do
the
things
we're
legally,
not
able
to
do
and
to
fund
right?
But
that's
why
we
have
our
legal
staff
there,
city
of
asheville
and
buncombe
county.
It
would
be
great
to
have
you
come
weigh
in
on
some
of
that
stuff
as
well,
so
we'll
we
will
find
a
place
for
all
of
that
terrific.
J
F
Appreciate
that
ma'am
and-
and
you
know
I
I
was
told
that
really
obviously,
this
kind
of
thing
should
be
coming
from.
You
know
like
black
members
of
the
community
black
members
of
the
commission.
Unfortunately
there
aren't
any
so
I
feel,
like
I,
you
know,
have
a
responsibility
to
carry
water
from
people
from
my
board,
my
organization
to
come
and
try
and
speak.
You
know
and
speak
up
whenever
I
can
and
be
an
ally
so
well.
J
I
do
actually
our
african-american
heritage
commission.
J
A
lot
of
our
commissions
have
thoughts
around
a
lot
of
this,
so
they
will
all
be
a
part,
we're
not
just
picking
the
ones
that
have
african-americans
we're
picking
all
of
them
right,
because
each
of
you
touch
community
and
neighborhood
in
some
way,
in
some
fashion,
so
don't
feel
like
you're,
an
outlier
you're,
definitely
an
in
liar,
and
you
have
the
I'm
very
impressed
with
all
the
expertise
I
know
will
hornaday
takes
great
pictures
because
he
took
a
picture
of
me
for
the
preservation
calendar,
but
I
have
always
had
respect
for
this
board
and
for
the
things
that
you
bring
to
the
table.
J
I
am
working
with
the
african-american
heritage
commission.
We
are
looking
at
a
retreat
for
next
month,
so
I
will
be
talking
to
alex
around
coming
to
talk
about
historic
resources,
commission
and
what
you
do
and
how
you
may
be
able
to
collaborate
with
that
board
in
particular,
because
they
still
have
funding
around
doing
some
work,
african-american
culture
or
art,
whatever
yeah.
So
we
very
much
see
you
as
partners
in
this
great.
J
Absolutely
absolutely
I
got
I
had
to
stay
at
home
today
because
I'm
coming
from
the
dentist
and
they
called
and
said
we're
coming
to
dig
up
your
backyard
to
expand
your
patio
and
I'm
like
okay
come
on
so
I've
been
here
today,
but
I
I'm
you
know
at
any
time
if
you
would
like
for
me
to
come
back
after
any
questions.
Give
you
an
update,
please
feel
free
to
call
on
me.
Alex
knows
my
number
and
she
knows
how
to
reach
me.
J
She's
a
great
person
and
I'll
be
glad
to
come
at
any
point
in
time.
J
Welcome,
I'm
sorry
to
shove
off,
but
I'm
getting
ready
for
vacation.
I
have
a
few
things
I
need
to
do
before
the
business
is
closed
today,
but
have
a
great
meeting.
I
wish
you
all
the
best
and
enjoy
your
easter
weekend
long
easter
weekend.
B
B
Okay,
we
are
going
to
begin
the
evidentiary
hearings.
Now
we
didn't
do
that
a
minute
ago.
We're
going
to
do
that
now.
I
appreciate
brenda
sharing
that
information
and
update
for
the
group.
We
are
I'm
going
to
go
back
through
our
public
hearing
kind
of
format.
Is
it
quite
quasi-judicial
proceeding?
The
hrc
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application,
the
hrc
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
the
specific
historic
districts
for
that
application.
B
The
hrc
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
hrc
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
Commissioners,
in
voting
for
an
item
will
not
have
a
fixed
opinion
that
isn't
susceptible
to
change
will
not
have
a
conflict
of
interest
will
not
have
engaged
in
ex-parte
communication
regarding
the
application.
B
B
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historic
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion
witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony.
At
this
time
I
will
administer
the
oath
for
all
individuals
who
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony.
B
B
H
M
B
Good
we're
going
to
be
we're
going
to
start
with
our
first
public
hearing
item,
which
is
new
business,
local
landmark,
which
is
the
young
men's
institute.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
chair
kite,
so
I've
included.
I
added
some
photos
to
the
folder
today,
just
to
help
clarify,
but
hopefully
everyone
here
is
familiar
with
the
ymi,
which
is
definitely
one
of
our
our
our
historic
treasures
for
sure.
So
so
just
some
photos
of
the
this
is
the
intersection
of
eagle
and
market
street
kind
of
the
two
front.
Facades
of
the
building
you'll
see
the
main
entry
into
the
kind
of
the
internal
workings
of
this
building.
A
A
The
only
change
here
will
be
that
the
awning
will
be
cleaned
and
then
they
want
to
raise
the
awning
up
to
be
below
the
the
sill
of
the
window
above
so
that
they
can
expose
this
arch
window,
that's
below,
while
still
giving
some
coverage
to
to
the
entryway
there
and
then
they're
also
be
replacing
a
light
fixture
here
we
don't
know
the
the
architect
doesn't
know.
Yet
what
the
plan
is
for
the
proposed
light
fixtures.
So
that's
listed
as
an
item
that
we'll
need
to
review
down
the
road
as
a
condition.
A
The
bulk
of
the
work,
that's
included
in
the
ca
request,
is
up
on
the
rear
of
the
building
there
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
get
a
great
shot
of
this
building
from
the
back,
because
you
kind
of
can't
capture
the
whole
elevation.
So
they're
just
put
a
few
photos
in
here.
A
This
is
looking
at
the
back
of
where
penny
cup
is
there's
an
existing
fire
escape
stair
there
behind
this
hedgerow
there's
a
also
a
metal
railing
for
along
some
steps
that
go
down
to
the
basement
level
and
here's
kind
of
a
shot
of
that.
Looking
towards
eagle
street
just
some
additional
context,
photos
part
of
the
application
is
to
to
fill
in
a
couple
of
light
wells
on
the
back
of
the
building
where
water
intrusion
is
occurring.
A
One
thing
I
did
want
to
note
to
the
commission
that
just
to
kind
of
open
this
up
for
your
thoughts
on
it
is
my
my
thought
on
infilling,
the
the
light
wells
might
be
that
using
a
darker,
color,
brick
might
be
a
good
idea.
That
way,
you
can
clearly
understand
that
it,
you
know,
was
historically
an
opening.
They
could
also
be
restored
at
some
point.
It
should
that
you
know
be
wanted
by
anyone.
A
So
that's
just
a
representative
photo
of
one
of
the
window
wells
and
then
the
image
on
the
right
is
an
existing
entryway,
and
that
is
just
to
kind
of
lead
us
into
the
discussion
on
the
major
change
to
the
rear
elevation
is
the
addition
of
this
fire
escape
on
the
back.
A
And
this
actually
was
approved
by
the
commission
back
in
the
1980s
but
was
never
built,
and
I
took
a
picture-
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
from
the
renderings
unless
you're
zooming
in
pretty
closely.
But
I
took
a
picture.
Let
me
pull
it
up
really
quickly.
A
You
can
kind
of
see
in
the
next
slide
to
the
configuration
of
the
fire
escape.
It's
set
out
a
little
away
from
the
from
the
building
elevation.
A
Initially,
I
kind
of
thought
that
it
would
be
better
if
it
were
more
simplified
and
not
not
kind
of
in
any
way
like
decorative
at
all,
but
after
seeing
that
it
was
approved
previously,
I
I
kind
of
think
it.
I
think
it's
okay
and
then
I
also
like
you
can
kind
of
see
here's
the
the
photo.
I
was
describing
sorry
the
picture's
kind
of
blurry,
but
you
can
see
that
when
the
other
fire
escape
was
built,
that
it
also
had
this
kind
of
these,
these
decorative
brackets
underneath
it.
A
So
I'm
not
noting
any
concerns
with
the
with
the
fire
escape
and
it
will
meet
the
door
here
at
the
bottom,
which
is
kind
of
beyond
that
wooden
enclosure.
There,
at
the
end,
also
included
in
here,
are
existing
and
proposed
site
plans
at
this
stage
in
the
game
and
I'll.
Let
michael
speak
more
to
this,
but
obviously
sometimes
with
commercial
projects
or
new
construction
projects.
A
There's
some
unknowns
in
terms
of
what's
what's
going
to
happen
once
contract
team
begins
with
the
site,
so
there
is
proposed
here
there
along
this
side
of
the.
This
is
the
back
of
the
building
that,
where
that
little
kind
of
like
little
bridge
between
the
two
buildings
is
along
eagle
street,
there's
a
section
of
brick
paving
in
there.
That
kind
of
is
like
fills
up
that
little
breezeway
and
then
comes
along
the
side
of
the
building
their.
A
My
understanding
is
that
they
do
need
to
put
in
a
ramp
here
for
accessibility,
and
at
this
point
they
don't
know
what
the
exact
details
or
slip
of
that
will
need
to
be,
and
it
may
require
removing
that
existing
set
of
steps
and
constructing
a
little
landing
there,
but
that
is
a
little
bit
of
an
unknown.
At
this
point.
A
I
also
pointed
out
that
they'll
be
pretty
tight
to
get
all
of
these
they're,
proposing
to
replace
all
the
mechanical
units
that
you
can
see
down
in
the
south
end
of
the
property,
and
I
think
it
it's
pretty
tight
back
there.
If
you,
if
you
visited
the
site,
you
could
see
that
even
with
the
six
units,
it's
pretty
it's
a
pretty
small
space.
So
I
think
those
are
the
point
being
these
are
all
things
that
we
could
iron
out
at
staff
level.
A
I
let
michael
know
that
he
could
just
communicate
with
us
as
things
move
along
and
then
we
could
gauge
whether
or
not
we
needed
to
require
a
minor
work
amendment
or,
if
there's
something
more
substantial,
that
then
we
would
of
course
bring
back
to
the
commission.
A
So
I
just
kind
of
noted
a
couple
of
outstanding
things:
the
mortar
specifications
for
for
the
any
repairs
to
the
to
the
brick,
the
light
fixture
specifications,
a
brick
sample
for
in
filling
the
window
wells
and
and
just
the
like,
confirming
on
the
mechanical
and
screening
information
for
those
new
units.
A
So
that's
all
I
have
but
happy
to
answer
questions
or
go
back
over
anything
if
needed.
A
L
Just
for
information
that
light
well,
that
you
showed
is
actually
not
one
of
the
ones
that
we're
filling
in
the
the
two
that
we're
filling
in
are
totally
below
ground,
and
you
can't
even
see
them
and
one
is
actually
already
the
window's
already
falling
out
from
rot
and
the
other
is
just
about
ready
to,
but
that
one
that
you're,
that
you
showed
that
you
can
actually
see
we.
L
We
would
like
to
take
that
one
out,
because
that's
actually
a
replacement
window
that
was
put
in
at
some
point,
but
you
seem
to
be
reluctant
to.
Let
us
do
that.
So,
if
you
want
to
we'll
be
glad
to
take
that
one
out,
but.
L
A
Which
wells
we
were
talking
about,
so
I
guess
scratch
what
I
said
about
that
particular
window
well,
unless,
unless
you
want
to
propose
that
my
goal
to
the
commission,
which
you
can
certainly
do.
L
Well,
if
you
want
me
to
do
it
now,
I'll
be
glad
to
if
you
want,
we
can
handle
that
on
site
later
on,
as
things
develop,
alex.
N
Do
you
have
any
concerns
with
the
tree
the
street
tree
for
view,
blockage
or
anything
on
the
front
or.
A
Yeah,
that's
that's
only
come
up
one
time
when,
when
we
were
reviewing
the
s
w
and
their
their
outdoor
dining
and
the
only
reason
why
we
recommended
that
they
not
put
street
trees
in
front
of
that
building
is
because
the
whole
the
whole
way
that
ellington
designed
that
building
was
that
it
was.
You
know,
highly
visible
at
the
end
of
haywood
street,
so.
H
A
L
We're
only
putting
one
and
it's
on
eagle
street,
and
that
is
a
requirement,
but
it's
very
small
there's
hardly
any
room
for
a
tree
there.
They
they
talked
about
putting
a
service
berry
there,
but
I
don't
think
we've
even
got
room
for
that.
It's
gonna,
whatever
we
put
there,
is
probably
gonna
get
in
the
way
of
the
sidewalk,
but
it
is
a
requirement
so
it'll
be
as
small
as
we
can
get
it.
B
Michael
or
joel
is
there
other
information
that
we've
not
yet
heard
that
we
should
talk
about
michael
you
mentioned,
maybe
wanting
to
amend
the
application
to
address
this
window.
Well,
that's
on
the
screen
currently.
L
Yeah
that
that
particular
window
is
a
window
that
was
added
sometime
in
the
past.
It's
it's
an
aluminum
window.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
rest
of
the
building.
L
I'm
sure
it
was
not
brought
in
front
of
y'all's
for
approval
and
it's
actually
into
an
area
where
we're
going
to
close
it
off
because
of
water
infiltration
there
and
they're
going
to
use
that
as
a
storage
area
for
their
fine
art.
So
we
we're
just
going
to
close
this
area
off
the
window
is
going
to
be
pretty
useless.
L
B
L
B
Michael
typically,
we
would
those
kinds
of
changes
we
can
make
in
the
meeting
as
an
amendment
to
the
to
the
application
that
you've
submitted.
I
think
commission
that
might
be
a
place
for
us
to
have
some
conversation
around
sounds
like
this.
The
other
window
wells
are
not
visible
from
anywhere
and
maybe
don't
have
as
much
impact
as
the
removal
of
this
or
the
infilling
of
this
opening
alex.
N
Could
you
go
to
the
looks
like
slide
seven
where,
where
that's
shown,
which
window
well,
this
is.
A
A
A
Sorry,
I'm
on
the
wrong
screen
the
one
the
wind
down
here,
that's
like
just
to
the
right
of
the
railing
where
the
stair
is.
It
goes
down
to
the
basement.
L
Let's
see
yes,
it's
one
of
it's
it's
one
of
those
two
there
if
there's
two,
but
it
is
that
it
is
right
there.
Yes,.
L
It's
if
you
go
back
to
that
picture
before
it's
right
before
that
wooden
screen.
You
can't
see
it
because
of
the
umbrella
there,
but
it's
right
right
around
in
there.
A
I
mean
I
am
not
do
not
recall
our
conversation
on
site,
michael
since
it's
been
so
long,
but
I
don't
have
any
concerns
about
filling
in
that
opening,
because.
K
A
Like
if
we're
trying
to
protect
the
building
and
the
water
is
coming
in,
then
obviously
that's
not
good,
and,
like
I
said
it,
you
know
the
way
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
are
written.
Is
that
you
know
changes
are
fine.
Also
in
being
able
to,
you
know,
return
something
to
or
restore
something
you
know
restoring.
The
openings
could
always
occur
in
the
future.
Should
that
be,
you
know
desired
by
whomever,
so
I
don't
have
any.
A
B
O
A
A
B
We'll
do
that
right
now
we
will
open
the
floor
for
public
comment.
B
So
we
need
to,
I
think,
michael,
have
a
you
requesting
a
formal
amendment
to
your
application
to
include
that
window.
If
you
want
and
then
absent
other
conversation
or
comments
from
commissioners,
we
would
be
ready
for
a
motion.
L
C
I've
got
one
question
I
was
just
wanting
to
clarify.
I
I
think
it
was
mentioned
that
the
awning
was
going
to
be
moved.
C
Is
I
would
just
like
a
little
bit
more
information
on
that
as
to
like,
will
it
be
the
exact
same?
Will
it
look
different
change
in
size
at
all?
It's.
A
Yes,
that's,
okay,
the
same
awning,
it's
just
being
cleaned
and
then
they're
gonna
shift
it
upwards
so
that
it's
behind
the
window
that's
behind
below
here.
Let
me
go
to
this
other
photo.
So
this
the
top
of
the
awning,
is
going
to
be
set
below
the
window
cell
of
the
the
double
hung
window
above
just
so
that
they
can
get.
You
know
kind
of
expose
the
opening
a
little
bit
more.
It's
such
a
pretty
large
doorway,
but
right
now
it's
obviously
being
covered
up
by
the.
H
C
All
right,
madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Three
pages
exhibit
b
survey
and
site
plan,
two
pages
exhibit
c
plans
and
drawings.
Ten
pages
exhibit
d
approved
zoning
plans.
Eight
pages
exhibit
e
photos
of
subject
property.
Eight
pages
exhibit
f
owner's,
affidavit,
exhibit
g,
landmark,
designation,
ordinance.
Two
pages
exhibit
h
national
register
nomination
form
nine
pages
exhibit
I
revised
site
plan
received
april
8
2022
exhibit
j
additional
photos.
Three
pages
received
april
8
2022,
exhibit
k
mechanical
unit
plan
and
dimensions.
C
Remove
three
existing
basement
level
windows
on
rear
elevation
and
infill
light
wells
with
darker
color
brick
remove
two
existing
metal
doors
at
basement
level
of
rear
elevation,
widen
door,
openings
from
32
inches
to
36
inches
and
install
new
metal
doors.
Install
six
foot
three
inch
by
four
foot
wide
and
twenty
foot
nine
inch
by
four
foot
wide
black
canvas,
awnings
and
new
light
fixtures
over
existing
basement
stairs
construct.
C
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
at
work
may
commence.
Two
that
the
sanders
for
masonry,
roofs,
mechanical
systems,
site
setting
health
safety
foundation
and
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabil
for
rehabilitation
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
C
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
masonry
will
be
cleaned
using
the
gentlest
means
possible.
Any
new
mortar
will
match
existing
in
composition,
color
dimension
and
texture
b.
Roof
color
will
be
asphalt,
shingle
and
similar
in
color
to
existing
c
new
walkways
and
mechanical
systems
will
be
located
to
the
rear
of
the
building
and
screened
by
existing
vegetation
d.
New
fire
escape
is
compatible
with
the
building
and
will
be
inconspicuously
located
on
the
rear.
C
D
B
N
O
C
On
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
therein,
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions:
mortar
specifications,
light
fixture
specifications,
brick
sample
and
mechanical
unit.
Screening
information
will
be
provided
to
staff
for
review
and
approval.
C
O
B
And
that
concludes
the
certificate
of
appropriate
request,
appropriateness,
request
for
this
project
and
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
montford
historic
district
at
295
cumberland
avenue.
Thank.
A
Thanks,
michael
and
joel
I'll,
follow
up
with
you
probably
early
next
week.
A
Thanks
all
right
next
item.
A
All
right,
so
this
is
a
two-story
vernacular
house
on
cumberland
avenue.
Here's
a
picture
of
the
front
elevation
to
provide
some
context.
A
That's
on
the
south
elevation,
where
my
cursor
is,
that
is
also
proposed
for
removal,
and
there
will
be
some
new
windows
on
that
side,
as
well
as
an
egress
window
up
in
the
attic
level
on
the
south
elevation,
and
there
is
a
new
dormer
proposed
for
the
rear
elevation
of
this
house
so
that
they
can
have
created
a
livable
space
in
the
attic
level.
A
Hence
the
need
for
the
egress
window.
So
here
are
the
existing
and
proposed
elevation
drawings.
So
you
can
see
the
the
window
change
down
on
the
first
floor
as
well
as
replacing
that
existing
pedestrian
door
with
new
french
doors
and
then
also
wrapping
the
roof.
The
little
hip
roof
around
to
cover
that
entryway,
the
when
jessica
and
I
met.
A
We
talked
about
a
little
bit
that
I
I
tend
to
think
that
the
kind
of
the
length
of
the
stormers
a
little
bit
awkward
and
maybe
there's
an
option
to
like
shorten
it
from
the
sides
and
or
perhaps
make
it
into
two
dormers.
But
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
philosophically
oppose
a
dormer
in
this
location
and
it's
really
not
going
to
be
highly
visible
from
anywhere,
and
this
is
just
the
side
elevation
looking
at
it.
A
You
can
see
here
the
change
to
the
door
that
I
mentioned
on
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
that
will
be
removed
and
then
a
new
casement
window
matching
those
that
are
there
will
be
installed
and
then
the
casement
window
and
the
gable
end,
as
shown
on
the
attic
level.
And
then
this
is
looking
at
the
north
elevation,
not
much
changing
here,
just
removing
a
single
window
here
and
then
adding
adding
and
exit
adding
another
window.
A
A
N
The
third
floor,
the
original
window
is
coming
out
and
being
replaced
with
a
new
window
of
sane.
A
N
A
The
better,
obviously
so,
just
having
one
if
that
was
allowable
for
code,
would
be
better
and
it's
a
pretty
small
space.
So
I
think
that
maybe
it's
just
a
carryover
from
your
your
previous
drawing
just.
P
To
yeah
you're
correct
that
that
window
is
gonna,
just
be
restored
and
kept,
as
is.
P
No
that
the
dormer
and
the
the
I,
the
only
thing
that
we
I
would
consider
touching
base
about
is
that
that
dormer
right
now
is
the
slope
is
three
and
twelve
so
that
the
mater,
the
roof
material
will
match
the
same.
The
majority
of
the
house,
our
original
design,
was
at
a
two
and
twelve
so
that
we
can
get
a
little
bit
more
ceiling
height
in
that
attic
space,
but
in
order
for,
but
unfortunately
we
would
have
to
change
the
roof
material
to
a
metal
roof.
P
At
that
point,
and
our
intention
was
to
like
the
color
of
the
metal
roof
would
still
match
the
existing
asphalt,
shingle
roof
and
because
it's
so
high
up,
we
were
hoping
that
that
would
be
okay
to
introduce
that
new
material
to
this
house.
But
after
talking
with
alex
in
that
origin
or
that
first
meeting,
she
just
requested
just
thought
that
it
would
be
better
not
to
introduce
any
new
roof
material.
So
I
didn't
want.
P
A
Yeah
I'll
just
add
to
what
what
I,
the
feedback
that
I
gave
jessica,
was
that
the
commission
had
not
approved
a
mix
of
roofing
materials
on
any
historic
houses
in
the
past
that
that
had
not
been
considered
historically
appropriate,
because
that
didn't
really
happen
on
historic
houses.
So
so
yeah.
That
was
where
my
feedback
came
from.
B
C
I'd
like
to
hear
what
commissioners
are
feeling
about
the
length
of
that
dormer
window
being
somewhat
continuous
across
the
back
of
the
structure,
my
instinct
is
that
it
would
probably
be
unusual
to
see
that
type
of
thing
and
probably
more
common
to
see
two
dormers
of
a
regular
size.
B
I
took
my
instinct
emily
is,
I
tend
to
agree.
I
think
the
thing
that
I'm
getting
stuck
on
is
the
depth
of
the
overhang
of
the
roof
in
relation
to
where
the
actual
dormer
walls
kind
of
stop.
It
feels
while
it
matches
and
seems
to
be
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
house.
It
looks
a
little
bit
out
of
whack
for
me
because
we
sort
of
want
it
to
be
a
bit
understated.
B
I
think,
and
I
certainly
think
if
we
were
on
a
different
elevation
of
the
house,
I
my
opinion
about
having
smaller
matching
kind
of
symmetrical
dormers
might
be
stronger
than
it
is
on
the
back,
and
I
think,
if
that
the
edges
of
those
the
roof
over
hang
up
was
pulled
in
closer.
Maybe
I
would
feel
less
like
it
was.
Something
is
a
little
off
about
it.
B
C
That
was
my
thought
as
well.
Is
that
something
with
the
proportions
doesn't
seem
quite
right?
I
think
it
just
looks
very
long.
B
Made
longer,
I
think,
because
of
the
overhang
the
depth
of
the
overhang
kind
of
on
the
ends
of
that,
and
maybe
if
that
was
yes,
it
might
help.
It
feel
a
little
bit
better,
and
that
makes
sense
the
way
it's
proposed
in
terms
of
how
its
usefulness
on
the
inside
of
the
building-
and
I
do
think
it's
going
to
be
not
particularly
visible
from
any
real
strong
vantage
point,
and
I
think,
certainly
changing
materials
would
not
be
in
consistent
with
with
what
we've
done
in
the
past
and
also.
B
B
Yeah
like
on
on
the
ends
like
beyond,
where
the
corner
of
the
dormers
kind
of
stops-
and
I
can
tell
by
the
drawing
that
it's
matching
the
depth
of
the
overhang
of
the
existing
house.
But
I
wonder
if
pulling
that
in,
so
it's
not
as
deep
helps
kind
of
create
a
better
hierarchy
between
the
the
way
that
the
massing
of
the
of
the
main
house
and
the
roof
reads
with
that:
dormer
that
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
kind
of
diminutive
in
relation
to
the
main
massing
of
the
house.
B
If
it's,
if
it's
not
quite
as
deep
on
the
ends
there-
and
I
guess
I
can
go
back
and
look
at
the
side
elevations
to
see
sort
of
how
much
it
overhangs
in
front
of
those
windows.
But
it
doesn't
look
yeah.
I
think
I
mean
that
all
around
you
would
probably
match
it.
You
know
how
it
overhangs
in
front
of
the
windows
might
get
a
better
opportunity
for
some
daylighting
in
there
too.
If
there's
not
quite
as
deep
an
overhang
but.
D
I
agree
that
keeping
the
roof
material
consistent
is
important,
so
just
putting
another
vote
in
for
that
point
of
view
and
then,
as
far
as
anything
else
with
the
dormer
just
having
it
in
that
back
elevation
and
tucked
way
up
high,
I
mean
I
feel
comfortable
with
it.
The
way
it
is
and
but
improvements
would
be
warranted
too.
So
I
mean.
B
A
C
I
think
the
other
small
modifications
proposed
all
all
look
fine
to
me.
Just
the
you
know
on
the
is
it
this:
the
rear,
elevation,
the
window
change
and
the
double
door
edition.
N
A
P
P
Of
placed
in
there
there's
a
wall,
that's
in
between
those
two
windows
right
now,
so.
P
No,
those
that
to
the
right
of
the
patio
door-
that's
that
was
a
new
those.
A
I
think
we'll
just
make
it
a
condition:
okay,.
C
C
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description,
four
pages
exhibit
b
floor
plans
and
elevation
drawings.
Six
pages
exhibit
c
photos
of
subject
property,
five
pages,
exhibit
d
door
and
window
specifications.
Eight
pages
exhibit
e
paint.
Colors
two
pages
exhibit
f
owners,
affidavit
exhibit
g.
Is
there
an
exhibit
g.
C
And
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
knew
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one,
but
the
application
is
to
replace
existing
six
over
one
double
hung
window
and
gable
end
on
south
elevation
with
two
new
multilight
wood.
Sdl
awning
windows
for
egress,
remove
one
multi-light
door
on
south
elevation
and
install
one
eight
light.
C
C
Number
two:
that
the
standards
for
roofs
found
on
pages
74
to
75
and
windows
and
doors
on
pages
84
to
85
of
the
montford
historic
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
on
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
C
A
new
dormer
will
be
on
rear-facing
portion
of
roof
and
will
not
substantially
alter
the
overall
roof
form
b.
New
siding
and
roofing
materials
will
match
existing,
see,
existing
windows
being
removed,
will
be
retained
and
preserved
on
site
the
window
and
door
openings
to
be
modified
are
on
non-character.
Defining
elevations
of
the
building
e
new
windows
and
doors
will
be
wood
and
compatible
with
the
overall
design
of
the
building.
N
F
G
C
Based
upon
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
therein,
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions.
One
revised
elevation
drawings
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval.
Two
original
window
being
removed
will
be
preserved
and
retained
on
site.
B
O
B
Thank
you,
jessica.
Moving
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
also
an
amount
for
historic
district
at
144
flint
street
alex
we'll
start
with
your
report.
A
Okay,
so
some
of
you
might
recall
that
we
reviewed
an
application
recently
at
this
property
to
modify
a
little
bump
out
on
the
rear
elevation.
So
put
it
just
to
give
some
context.
This
is
the
front
elevation
of
the
house.
It's
on
the
corner
of
flint
and
ooh.
I'm
gonna
forget
what
the
cross
street
is
there
it's
on
a
corner,
so
this
application
is
pretty
straightforward.
A
This
is
the
north
elevation
of
the
house
or
the
north.
This
is
sort
of
the
northwest
corner
and
I'll
show
some
different,
different
photos
or
photos
from
different
angles
in
a
second,
so
you
can
get
a
better
sense
of
where
this
is,
but
so,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
house
from
the
back
the
back
corner
of
it,
there
are
these
two
existing
dormers
and
then
they're,
proposing
to
add
a
third
dormer
next
to
it.
That
would
match
the
other
two
there's
also
part
of
the
application
is
to.
A
A
So
I
did
get
the
window
specs
today
and
those
are
included
in
your
packet
and
they
are
proposed
to
be
a
couple
of
different
ones
that
we
were
looking
at,
but
they
are
three
over
one
wood
windows
that
will
are
being
proposed
in
those
existing
openings,
no
changes
to
any
of
the
openings
there
so
to
go
back
to
the
dormer.
This
is
looking
at
the
side
elevation
where
the
dormer
is
proposed.
A
Here's
a
couple
more
images
you
can
kind
of
see
this
is
me
the
top
left
photo
is
photo.
I
took
today
looking
at
it
from
the
sidewalk,
and
this
is
kind
of
looking
at
it
from
directly
below
it.
If
you
look
at
the
standards
for
roofs,
it
does
say,
let
me
bring
up
the
specific
standard,
because
I
could
understand
where
there
might
be
some
differing
interpretations
on
this,
and
that's
certainly
up
to
the
commission.
A
I
didn't
know
any
concerns,
because
it
is
my
thought
that
this
dormer
would
be
tucked
towards
the
rear
of
the
house.
It's
not
substantially
altering
the
whole
configuration
of
the
roof,
but
the
way
the
standards
read.
It
says
any
changes
to
the
configuration
of
any
existing
roof
must
be
confined
to
the
rear
of
the
house
and
shall
not
be
visible
from
any
public
primary
public.
A
Like
I
said,
I'm
standing
on
the
sidewalk
in
the
photo
that
I
took
today.
So
I
would
imagine
that
there
could
be
the
interpretation
that
that's
it's
not
appropriate
to
modify
the
roof
in
that
area.
But
again,
I'm
more
so
questioning
the
change
in
configuration.
A
If
you
will,
in
my
mind,
speaks
more
towards
the
overall
roof
form
being
reconfigured,
and
I
don't
think
I
really
have
a
concern
about
adding
a
dormer,
especially
since
there
are
two
existing
dormers,
then
this
one
would
would
match
the
others.
So
again
not
noted
any
concerns.
We
have
the
the
outstanding
information
that
I
listed
in
my
staff
report.
We
have
all
of
that
in
the
file,
so
we're
good
to
go
on
those
items
so
happy
to
answer
questions
or
pull
anything
outside
of
the
guidelines.
A
If
I,
if
needed,
if
you
all
want
me
to
read
any
there's,
not
it
doesn't
really
go
into
any
other
detail,
except
for
to
say,
retain
and
preserve,
root
lines
that
contribute
to
the
overall
character
and
form
of
a
building,
including
the
roof,
shape
pitch
line
overhang
and
functional
or
decorative
features.
And
I
don't
think
that
the
new
dormer
interferes
with
that
with
the
with
the
overall
roof
being
preserved
and
retained.
N
Alex
I
wasn't
clear
on
what
was
the
window
in
the
proposed
dormer.
A
Oh
sorry,
that
is
they're
proposing
four
light
casement
windows
to
match.
What's
in
this
front,
this
is
the
dormer
closest
to
the
front
of
the
house
they're
proposing
to
match
those
casement
windows.
M
No,
I
mean
I,
I
just
think
you
know
my
interpretation
of
the
commission
why
it's
formed
is,
to
you
know,
preserve
the
neighborhood
to
make
it.
You
know,
have
a
similar
characteristic,
and
I
believe
this
house
needs
help.
It
needs
help
and
to
get.
M
And
I
think
the
changes
that
we're
proposing
are
going
to
help
it
further
of
being
more
aligned
and
symmetrical,
and
just
the
aesthetics
of
I
feel
the
changes
are
all
for
the
good.
In
terms
of
you
know,
you
have
these
two
dormers,
then
you
have
like
this
flat
roof
and
it's
just
calling
for
it
and
I
didn't
even
propose
it
she's,
like
you
know,
I
always
wanted
a
dormer
here
just
for
head
room
and
I'm
like
I
go
outside
and
look
at
it
and
I'm
like
well.
That
just
makes
perfect
sense.
M
Of
course
it's
up
to
if
we
can
do
it
or
not,
and
the
same
with
the
windows
in
the
door,
you
saw
the
the
quality
of
them.
You
know
this
is
her
husband
that
wants
to
move
in
there
kind
of
his
room
until
you
know
the
the
time.
I
guess
you
could
say
and
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
help
that
the
characteristic
aesthetics.
I
just
think
it's
all
for
the
good,
but
that's
obviously
my
opinion.
B
Okay,
we're
gonna
briefly
open
the
floor
for
public
comment.
B
I
don't
alex,
I
tend
to
align
with
your
feedback
on
the
dormers.
I
don't
see
a
particular
concern
with
the
dormer
as
it
relates
to
the
standards,
certainly
creates
a
nice
rhythm
back
there
to
have
it
on
that
elevation
of
the
house.
C
Yeah,
I
find
it
interesting
looking
at
the
elevation
that
it
almost
looks
like
a
dormer
is
missing
when
you
look
at
the
first
first
drawing,
but
as
far
as
alex
was
saying
about
the
guidelines
referring
to
the
overall
overall
character.
Overall,
you
know
plane.
C
I
I
also
don't
think
that
that's
going
to
be
a
substantial
change
to
the
shape
of
the
of
the
original
roof.
So
I
have
no
no
problem
with
the
dormer
going
in.
N
I
actually
likes
chair,
springs
comments
on
the
the
dormer.
N
A
huge
impact
on
the
overall
building
and
it
provides.
J
D
Oh
no,
emily
I
got
it.
Oh
you
do.
Okay!
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Three
pages
exhibit
b
elevation,
drawings,
four
pages,
exhibit
c
photos
of
subject
property:
three
pages,
exhibit
d
derma,
rendering
exhibit
e
window
and
door
specifications.
15
pages
exhibit
f
owner's,
affidavit,
exhibit
g,
revised
elevation
drawings,
two
pages
received
april
13,
2022,
exhibit
h
additional
photo
received
april
13
2022
exhibit
I
additional
photo
taken
by
staff
april
13
2022
exhibit
j
email
with
photos.
D
A
D
There
we
go
three.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
new
dormer
will
be
towards
the
rear
of
the
building
and
will
not
substantially
alter
the
overall
roof
form
b.
New
siding
and
roofing
materials
will
match
existing
c
doors
and
windows
being
replaced
are
not
original
to
the
building
d.
New
doors
and
windows
will
be
wood
incompatible
with
the
overall
design
of
the
building.
C
P
B
E
A
A
I
B
A
So
I
imagine
if
you're
like
here
at
four,
like
that's,
not
a
terrible
place
to
park,
but
there's
plenty
of
street
parking
around
our
building
and
there's
also
the
the
closest
deck
is
the
one
across
from
the
county
courthouse
building
on
college
street
so
but
again
I'll
send
out
some
more
info
free
for
all
of
you
related
to
meeting
space
parking.
All
those
things
when
we
get
a
little
closer
to
the
may
may
meeting
so
so
yeah.
We.
O
A
Have
a
couple
of
items
to
get
through
for
other
business
executive
committee
nominations:
the
executive
committee
was
sue
and
I
guess
shannon
was
shannon
on
the
meeting
with
us.
It
was,
was
you
and
shannon
and
yeah,
and
was
it
stephanie?
No
sarah
was
it
sarah
or
stephanie
sarah?
It
was
sarah,
I
believe
yeah,
and
neither
of
them
are
here
today
so
I'll,
just
kind
of
let
you
if
you
want
to
just
say
that
you
know
the
slate
of
officers
that
was
put
forth
to
the
group.
A
A
Anyone
can
nominate
themselves
from
the
floor
today
during
the
meeting.
So
don't
be
shy,
don't
feel
like
if
you
want
to
step
up
or
whatever
you're
more
than
welcome
to
the
executive
committee
has
a
variety
of
roles,
but
we
haven't
been
able
to
meet
for
the
past
couple
years.
So
it's
been
like
not
really
a
lot
of
activity
around
executive
committee,
but
normally
we
meet
once
a
month
to
kind
of
go
to
talk
through
the
upcoming
agenda,
as
well
as
any
other
special
projects
we
have
going
on.
So.
A
E
I
A
Emily
kite
chair
emily
spring
vice
chair,
gail
lazarus,
second
vice
chair
and
will
hornaday
third
vice
chair.
A
G
C
B
A
There
were
two
nominees
that
were
put
forth
by
commissioner
vaughn
and
commissioner
hornaday
one
being
anchovy
smith,
who
is
the
director
of
the
western
north
carolina
heritage,
association
and,
and
there
is
some
information
about,
I
included
basically
the
info
that
the
commissioner
vaughn
and
commissioner
hornaday
sent
to
me
in
your
commissioner
packet,
but
this
is
basically
the
summary
for
anne
chesky
smith
she's,
also
the
executive
director
of
the
swannanoa
valley,
museum
and
history
center
and
has
inspired
interest
in
many
aspects
of
local
history,
much
of
little
known,
such
as
her
book
on
the
murder
at
asheville's
battery
park
hotel,
as
well
as
others
on
black
mountain
and
black
mountain
college.
A
She
also
kept
a
virtual
program
programming
during
the
pandemic
promencia,
as
well
as
psabc,
which
she
did
a
short
video
presentation
of
her
south
actual
cemetery
and
commissioner
von
said.
Keeping
us
engaged
when
everything
was
shut
down
reminds
me
of
the
criteria
for
the
hrc
award
for
her
11
years
of
inspiring
us
to
look
deeper
into
western
north
carolina
history.
A
He
would
like
to
nominate
her,
so
that's
one
person
and
then
christopher
today
also
put
forth
the
hope.
All
of
you
have
time
to
read
through
all
the
info
that
that
was
shared.
But
if
you
aren't
familiar
with
the
municipal
golf
course
commonly
known
as
muni,
it's
a
city-owned
property
that
was
designed
by
donald
ross
and
was
completed
in
1927..
A
It
is
the
national
register
district.
It's
I
don't
know
it's
like
a
national
register
area,
but
there's
a
the
the
originally
there
was
the
caddies
were
all
african-american
and
were
not
allowed
to
play
and,
of
course
it
was
integrated
in
1954
and
there
was
a
there
was
a
group
of
golfers
that
created
the
skyview
golf
association
tournament
to
prevent
golf
in
the
black
community
and
help
players
become
professional
golfers
and
the
first
tournament
was
held
in
1960
and
continues
to
this
day.
A
A
But
I
know
you're
more
connected
in
the
community
than
I
am
these
days.
Well,
so
so
I'll,
let
you
speak
to
that.
I
think
the
way
we
did
it.
Last
year
we
had
a
few
different
nominees.
Last
year
too,
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
anyone
they
want
to
throw
in
the
hat,
which
is
fine.
Obviously
I
think
what
we
did
last
year
was
we
kind
of
just
did
a
straw
poll,
if
I
recall
correctly,
or
you
guys,
if
there's
just
that
way,
we
have
to
do
this.
A
A
F
N
Right,
I
was
referencing
the
bone,
steel
documentary.
N
Yeah,
it
was
the
first
integrated
golf
course
in
the
southeast.
Beauty
was
and
then
immediately
following
that
the
clubhouse
was
burned
out
and
the
city
bravely
did
not
close
the
kept.
J
N
And
kept
it
desegregated
and
that's
and
the
black
caddies.
If
you
watch
that
short
documentary,
it's
pretty
special
and
I'm
not
pushing
this
over
ann,
which
I
think
is
very
worthy
too.
So
if
we'd
like
to
talk
about
that,
some
too,
because.
O
C
I
was
just
curious
if
we
know
of
any
of
those
original
members
that
are
still
living
to
accept.
C
N
N
Not
all
and
there's
fewer
every
year.
A
A
It
just
has
always
been
done
that
way,
but
while
we're
changing
in
the
middle
of
changing
everything
over
the
last
few
years,
why
not
change
something?
One
other
thing
I.
B
If
I
had
to
pick,
I
would
probably
prioritize
the
golf
course
stuff
just
because
I
think
we
we
could
run
out
of
time
if
we're
not
careful
in
in
it
being
an
award,
that's
relevant
to
folks
that
are
still
living
that
have
that
history
in
their
own
experience,
and
so
that
would
be
my
only
the
only
thing
tipping
the
scales
on
picking
between
one
or
the
other.
G
Since
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
award,
I
have
a
question
about
alex
when
you
suggested
the
potential
of
changing
and
having
awardees
and
I'm
interested
in.
Knowing
is
there
a
categorization
that
would
happen
in
that
way,
is
there
like
would
andy
would
be
taking
an
award
that
has
to
do
with
preserving
and
educating
history
presently
and
then
the
other,
the
folks
from
muni
and
the
founders
and
the
golfers
would
be
involved
in
looking
back
and
reflecting
on
the
past
and
acknowledging
past
history.
A
There's
not
like
again,
there's
not
a
it's,
not
it's
not
defined
like
this
award
was
created
by
the
hrc
many
years
ago
and
the
and
the
wording
and
the
in
the
description
just
says
it's
given
by
the
hrc,
cheer
to
an
individual
or
individuals
in
the
community
who,
by
word
or
d,
has
kindled
among
the
citizenry
of
asheville
and
buncombe
county,
an
appreciation
for
the
history
or
his
work
resources
of
the
area.
A
So
that's
really
the
only
you
know
kind
of
metric
and
there's
no,
but
there's
no
categories
kind
of
like.
I
know
how
psabc
you
know
they
have
categories
for
their
awards.
I
guess
we
could
potentially
set
it
up
that
way
in
the
future,
but
I
you
know
again:
there's
we
can
do
it.
A
However,
the
commission
wants
to
because
it's
it's
your
award
or
awards
to
give-
and
I
think
the
other
thing
I
was
thinking
through-
does
it
take
away
from
one
or
the
other
if
we
give
the
award
kind
of
to
two
separate,
entirely
separate
entities
or
people,
you
know
where
I
know
last
year
it
was
given
to
mr
taylor
or
mr
gibson,
and
but
they
were
obviously
being
recognized
for
the
same
work.
A
O
C
Okay,
I
I
think
there's
there's
probably
something
to
be
said
for
being
that
it's
the
champion
award.
It
should
be
someone
who
is
advocating
historic
preservation
preserving
the
past.
C
It's
it's
my
view
that
you
know
the
golfers
are
we're
more
making
history
than
preserving
history,
so
it
seems
like
it
would
be
more
appropriate
just
to
the
nature
of
the
award
to
give
it
to.
You
know
smith,
what
was
the
first
name
and
ann
and
but
maybe
there's
another
another
award
that
we
would
consider
giving
to
someone
who
has
made
important
history
in
asheville
in
the
past.
A
Well,
I
think
if
you
I
mean
like,
I
guess,
that's
totally
open
to
interpretation
by
all
of
you.
There's
again,
this
is
you
know,
you're,
basically,
just
celebrating
local
history
by
giving
this
award,
and
it
says
by
word
or
deed,
has
kindled
among
the
citizenry
of
asheville
and
butlan
county
in
appreciation
for
the
history
or
historic
resources,
which
I
think
that
the
that
the
folks
associated
with
the
with
the
golf
course
have
right,
because
we
appreciate
that
place
and
their
contributions
to
the
history
of
not.
A
Remarkable
that
it
was
integrated
in
the
1950s
and,
and
that
had
to
have
been,
you
know
that
I
would
think
they
really
cared
about
the
you
know
their
the
history
of
golf
and
all
that
stuff
like.
If
you
watch
the
documentary
it's
it's
pretty,
it's
got
a
lot
of
different
facets
to
it.
I
guess
so
I
don't
have
it.
That's
really
again.
It's
up
to
you
all
kind
of
how
you
want
to
proceed
or
interpreting
like
who's
might
be.
You
know
the
best
best
fit
for
receiving
the
award
so.
E
I
I
think
emily
made
some
really
good
points,
but
as
a
historian,
knowing
what
people
went
through
in
the
south
through
integration
for
them
to
take
a
brave
stand
like
that,
would
be
nice
to
acknowledge
them
along
with
anne.
If
we
could
do
that,
I
I
would
like
to
do
that.
I
just
think
that's
it's
kind
of
an
amazing
and
we
should
the
public
should
know
that
asheville,
you
know
integrated
the
fur.
That's
important.
G
And
significant
to
the
rest
of
the
country's
history
to
some
degree.
B
Well,
if
those
are,
if
there
are
folks
that
are
still
living
in
this
community
that
were
integral
to
that
significant
time
and
that
place,
I
think
it's.
I
think
we
could
it's
a
missed
opportunity
to
not
recognize
it,
but
I
also
shelley.
I
think
you
made
a
really
interesting
observation
about
the
opportunity
to
really
create
different
kinds
of
awards
that
we
give
right
this.
B
This
notion
of
that
there
being
a
service
award
fits
perfectly
for
people
like
ann
who
are
dedicating
their
ongoing
efforts
and
ongoing
service
to
right
to
stuff
in
this
community,
and
not
only
just
in
the
preservation
end
of
protecting
landmarks
and
and
buildings,
but
in
her
outreach
and
in
her
and
bringing
the
that
information
to
the
masses,
and
especially
in
a
time
so
I
see
them
really
distinctly
in
a
way
that
could
create
its
own
space
for
both
of
those
things
to
be
recognized
in
the
same
at
the
same
time,
but
in
very
different
ways
and
for
very
unique
reasons.
B
So
I
I
think
there's
room
for
that,
and
I
don't
know
that
it
means
that
we
necessarily
have
to
always
fill
two
awards
every
year.
I
think
it's
a
it's
one
of
those
where
we,
you
know,
there's
this
sort
of
unique
kind
of
service
award.
That
happens
when
we
find
people
like
ann
who
really
demonstrate
that
and
epitomize
everything
that
that
might
mean
for
us
as
a
as
a
community
kind
of
moving
forward,
but
that
these
special
moments
that
we
find
in
our
history
get
to
be
also.
B
D
E
A
Okay,
I
need
two
volunteers
to
come
to
the
griffin
awards
so
back
up
to
before
the
pandemic
that
hrc
used
to
give
the
annual
award
at
the
griffin
award
event.
A
Obviously
that
didn't
happen
during
the
pandemic
and
then
last
year
we
had
the
very
special
event
that
south
asheville
cemetery
association
hosted,
and
that
was
wonderful,
but
we
don't
with
the
city,
have
asked
me
to
do
that
kind
of
event
every
year,
so
we
I
did
reach
out
to
psabc
folks
and
they
said
they'd
be
more
than
happy
to
have
us
rejoin
their
event
ceremony.
A
So
that
will
be
it's
may.
A
That's
what
I
have
on
my
calendar
so
may
26th
and
I
believe
it's
a
douglas
ellington's
house
this
year.
So
what
we
usually
do
for
the
event
is
whoever
it
could
just
be
one
of
you
presenting
if,
if
you
want
to
or
if
you
know
james
and
will
you
want
to
both
come
to
present
to
your
respective
nominee
or
whatever
we
cover
the
cost
of
you
are
attending
the
event
or
your
ticket
price
or
whatever.
F
Yeah,
I
I
wouldn't
mind
doing
that
since
sadly,
I
had
to
miss
last
year's
with
the
mr
gibson,
mr
taylor,
plus,
I
have
to
say
one
of
my
other
nominees
is
getting
a
griffin
award,
so
you
know
I
just
run
around
town
and
nominating
people.
C
O
N
C
O
F
B
Yeah,
I
don't
certainly
need
to
to
do
that.
All
myself.
We
can
certainly
figure
out
a
way
to
collaborate
around
that.
So
that's
good.
I've
got
it
on
my
calendar.
Me
too.
A
Okay,
great
well,
thank
you
guys
for
volunteering
and
we
can
circle
back
on
getting
a
list
of
who
was
coming
and
get
tickets
sorted
out
and
all
that
as
we
get
a
little
closer.
I
did
also
want
to
mention
before
I
forget
that
some
of
you
probably
never
saw
this,
but
that
so
the
in
shelley
for
you
since
you're
new.
We,
I
don't
know
that
we
talked
about
this
in
our
commissioner
training,
but
the
hrc
award
used
to
be
called
the
soundly
award.
A
A
It
was
then
you
know,
as
we're
learning
about
kind
of
our
our
full
history
was,
was
made
apparent
that
he
had
a
rather
racist
or,
I
guess
racist
is
probably
the
best
way
to
put
it
legacy,
and
so
the
hrc
voted
to
change
the
name
of
the
award
last
year,
and
so
there's
like
a
little
story
of
that
written
into
the
document
of
the
hrc
award.
A
O
A
F
One
quick
thing
on
the
award:
I
realized
literally
an
hour
after
I
had
submitted
my
nomination-
that
really
I
should
have
nominated
dwayne
barton,
hood,
huggers,
and
so
my
term
ends
the
end
of
june.
I
won't
be
around
next
year,
so
I'm
hoping
to
plant
that
seed
that
next
year,
one
of
you
remembers
dwayne
barton
and
hood
huggers
and
and
nominates
him
for
this
award
next
year.
Please.
A
Note
that
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
people
in
the
community
that
have
yet
to
be
honored,
so
we
will
definitely
add
dwayne's
name
to
the
list
and
hopefully,
if
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to
do
the
hood
hunger
tour
highly
recommend
I've
done
it
twice
now
and
we
never.
We
never
make
it
out
of
triangle
park,
but
that's
just
because
dwayne's
such
an
amazing
storyteller
and
has
so
much
so
much
to
share.
A
So
we
did
that
one
year
as
part
of
our
our
hrc
retreat,
which
trying
to
get
around
to
planning
that
for
you
at
some
point,
I
was
trying
to
do
an
actual
like
regional
training
this
year
in
the
fall.
But
that's
gonna
happen
in
the
spring
of
next
year,
where
we'll
partner,
with
our
like
all
the
different
clgs
and
other
preservation
commissions
and
in
the
western
part
of
north
carolina
for
that
big
regional
training.
A
K
Yeah,
we
actually
have
500
now
that
the
now
that
all
the
items
are
on.