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B
Thank
you
good
morning,
everybody
good
morning,
everybody,
I'm
terribary
bialik
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
december
2
2021,
affordable
housing,
advisory
committee
meeting,
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings.
A
bit
differently.
B
B
And
use
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code
7663
to
listen
in
for
those
of
you
out
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us
today.
Welcome
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
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sure
to
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committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say:
quick,
hello,
scott
adams.
A
B
F
B
B
Zakiya
bell
roger
and
babs
okay,
and
then
we
have.
We
do
have
one
open
c
we're
advertising
and
I
think
the
deadlines
I
think
are
this
week
all
right.
Thank
you
all
we'll
start
on.
We
also
have
joining
us
councilwoman,
mosley
and
city
community
development
staff;
okay,
first
first
approval
of
the
minutes
from
last
month
any
questions
or
comments,
or
do
I
have
a
motion
to
accept.
B
Thanks
all
right,
moving
on
from
that
community
development
updates,
these
are
the
updates
from
last
last
month's
htd
meeting
any
comments
or
questions
we
want
to
go
through
or
anything
specific.
We
want
further
information
on.
E
I'm
particularly
interested
in
the
high
impact
sites.
E
H
Absolutely
so
360
hillyard,
I
have
been
seeing
documents
flow
back
and
forth
from
the
respective
attorneys
on
just
closeout
of
all
of
our
our
documents.
So,
if
you
think
about
it,
there
was
a
lot
really
to
put
together
for,
for
the
capital
stack
there
for
the
city,
incentives
that
are
involved,
the
greenway
easement,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
closeout
things
that
are
happening
right
now,
so
seeing
a
lot
of
good
movement
there
and
janice
ashley
has
been
a
huge
asset
to
us
in
the
city
legal
office.
H
To
really
help
make
that
happen,
I
am
uncertain
of
their
opening
date,
but
just
I
know
that
it's
it's
it's
happening
now
and
working
through
those
final
details
so
really
excited
to
see
that
project
come
to
conclusion
and
and
really
thinking
about
the
all
the
pieces
that
went
into
it.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
really
good
thing
to
see
that
come
through
in
terms
of
319.
We
are
in
conversation
with
the
developer.
You
know
we
are
working
towards
understanding
the
different
negotiation
points
there
for
that
agreement.
H
I
know
it's
been
in
process
for
a
while,
but
that
is
certainly
a
a
project.
That's
on
the
order
of
the
kind
of
complexities
that
we
had
to
address
during
360.,
so
these
things
certainly
do
take
time
so
I'll
be
picking
the
lead
up
on
that
project.
H
All
had
been
the
point
of
contact
with
homes,
urban
and
so
I'll,
be
taking
on
ownership
of
that
conversation,
and
I
know
that
it
is
also
a
priority
of
deborah's,
and
so
she-
and
I
are-
are
working
on
that
together
and
and
hoping
to
see
that
through
and
so
yes,
I
hope
that
we
have
more
progress
to
report
in
the
new
year,
but
I
will
certainly
be
on
point
for
that.
Moving
forward.
H
I
had
hoped
that
we
would
have
something
something
early
next
year.
I
think.
Certainly
we
are
cognizant
of
the
bond
timeline
and
wanting
to
make
something
happen
there.
So
I
am
certainly
picking
up
the
pace
in
terms
of
my
communications
with
homes,
urban
and
ensuring
that
we
we
come
to
to
come
to
agreement.
So
I'm
really
hoping
that
sometime
in
the
early
part
of
next
year
we're
able
to
schedule
things
on
the
committee's
agenda
for
review
and
or
our
hcd
committee
for
review.
E
Yeah
we
have
to
have
in
by
november
of
2023,
which
is
the
the
deadline
for
the
bond
money.
What
percentage
of
that
building
has
to
be
constructed
at
that
point?
If
any.
H
I
don't
believe
it's
a
it's
about
construction
and
I
appreciate
the
question,
certainly
because
I
think
as
we
as
we
look
to
that,
I
mean
we're
at
two
years
right.
So
looking
at
that
timeline,
I
think
we
really
do
want
to
be
strategic
about
the
necessary
milestones
that
are
in
front
of
us
and
that
we
need
to
address
and
yes
getting
very
clear
on
the
framework
around.
H
What
needs
to
happen,
I
think
is
a
great
starting
point,
and
so
what
I
understand
is
that
the
funds,
it's
not
necessary,
that
things
are
actually
coming
out
of
the
ground.
The
trigger
point
really
is
having
funds
allocated,
and
so
I
I
will
I
need
to
go
back.
Let
me
put
that
on
my
list.
I'll
certainly
go
back
to
our
bond
council
to
understand
exactly
what
that
means,
so
that
we
have
crystal
clear
clarity
around
that.
But
from
from
what
I
understand,
the
funds
have
to
be
allocated
and
in
city
speak.
H
You
know
whether
that
means
encumbered
through
our
process
or
exactly
what
that
means
I'll
get
further
clarity
on,
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
idea
at
some
point.
I
know
hcd
has
asked
for
a
bond
update
and
so
I'll
be
working
on
that,
and
I
think
at
that
time
it
would
be
prudent
to
share
that
with
this
committee
as
well.
E
Okay,
I
was
a
little
confused.
I
thought
we
did
have
to
have
something
underground
at
least
started
in
process,
and
we
know
that
it's
gonna
take
six
to
twelve
months
for
the
architectural
plans
that
that's
the
typical
timing
for
something
of
this
size
and
then
you're
looking
at
clearly
two
years
to
get
something
out
of
the
ground.
So
you
know
it's
not
gonna
happen
overnight.
B
H
Yeah,
let
me
go
back
to
finance
and
get
that
precise
language
so
that
we're
we're
very
clear
on
that
I'll
see
if
I
can
find
it
right
now.
Actually
so.
B
Okay,
did
you
say
like
a
bomb
dashboard
update
is
in
process
just
just
so
we
can
get
an
idea
of
what's
been
allocated.
What's
been,
what
might
be
you
know?
I
know,
there's
there's
a
couple
of
projects
that
funds
have
been
allocated,
that
from
the
housing
trust
fund
that
are
gonna
have
to
get
returned
possibly-
and
I
don't
know
how
much
of
that
was
bond
connected,
but
it
would
be
kind
of
good
to
have
a
good,
updated
dashboard
on
that.
H
Absolutely
I've
been
working
on
the
financial
analysis
and
review
of
the
entire
25
million
allocation,
and
so,
as
that
comes
together,
I'll,
be
able
to
process
through
process
that
through
and
then
and
then
have
that
shared
out.
So
it
is
in
process
right
now
very
rough
draft
form,
but
I'm
hoping
to
finalize
that
for
review.
H
G
G
You
know
allocating
funds
or
awarding
funds
or
encumbering
funds,
but
I
think
we
also
need
to
be
aware
that
to
the
general
public
they're
going
to
be
interested
in
seeing
homes
that
were
constructed,
that
they
can
look
at
and
see,
and
I
I
think
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of
about
that
from
the
you
know,
kind
of
public
opinion
standpoint,
particularly
if
you
know
if
the
city
is
planning
to
do
another
round
of
bonding
or
I
know,
there's
discussion
at
the
county
level
about
bonding.
I
don't
want
you
know.
H
Absolutely,
and
and
with
that
bund
update,
I
mean
what
I,
what
I've
had
to
do
really
is
understand
like
where
all
the
funds
have
been
invested
so
far
and
on
what
particular
project.
So
what
comes
to
mind,
of
course,
is
you
know
there
were
bond
funds
invested
in
the
lee
walker
heights
project
and
getting
319
pad
ready,
and
so
we
can
look
at
the
the
unit
count
there.
H
We
had
the
acquisition
of
the
downtown
future
affordable
housing
transit
site,
which
we
call
the
talbert
lot
so
so
that
acquisition
that's
been
that
it
had
occurred
and
so
things
you
know
that
the
allocation
to
the
abc
lt
and
all
of
the
information
around
that
particular
program
and
the
progress
that
they've
made,
and
so
those
are
the
types
of
things
that
I
think
would
culminate
in
the
bond
story
thus
far
and
then
yes,
looking
at
the
planning
for
the
future,
I
think
is,
is
a
really
good
opportunity
to
check
in
and
and
get
our
bearings.
G
Yeah
of
those
that
you
just
named
off,
though,
there's
only
only
lee
walker
actually
looks
like
new
units
on
the
ground
for
the
general
public,
and
I
I
think
that's
important
for
us
to
be
aware
of
as
we're
thinking
about
what
we
do
over
the
next
few
years.
Do
we
need
to
you
know:
are
there
things
that
we
can
do
to
expedite
some
of
these
projects,
turning
into
actual
units
that
we
can
point
to,
rather
than
just
land
that
we've
acquired,
so
that
that's
just
yeah,
something
that
I'm
concerned
about?
G
G
It
was
funded
through
a
different
mechanism
prior
to
the
bonds
being
the
bond
activity
happening
so
anyway,
I'll
get
off
that
soapbox.
Now,
okay,.
E
H
H
I
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
should
know
because
I
cert
I
managed
that
project,
but
it's
let
me
see
if
I
can
find
that
in
one
second.
H
I
mean,
interestingly
I'll,
while
I'm
looking
I'll
chat,
we
did
secure
an
investment
in
partnership
with
the
dogwood
health
trust
for
the
acquisition
of
that
property,
so
the
total
purchase
price
was
2.5
million
for
that
site
and
we
secured
a
1.25
million
grant
from
dogwood
in
partnership,
which
was
a
really
really
great
first
step
in
our
partnership
with
dogwood
and
really
happy
about
how
how
that
came
together,
and
so
so
yeah
that
and
that
closed.
I
guess
it
was
just
this
past
past
year,
past
summer,.
I
B
Any
other
questions
on
like
319,
so
it's
and
those
I
guess
the
city
owned
parsley
the
city
possible.
Any
other
questions
on
those.
I
guess
we're
we're
still
still
kind
of
you're
working
through
the
negotiations
with
the
developer
and
we're
hoping
it
sounds
like
we're
hoping
for
some
breakthrough
on
that.
B
B
H
B
All
right
and
when
you're,
when
you're
checking,
if
you
could
on
the
kind
of
how
the
the
how
the
bond
money
needs
to
be
spent
if
it
needs
to
be
just
allocated
or
if
it
needs
to
be
funded,
could
you
kind
of
get
back
with
us
on
that
down
payment?
Like
you
know,
there
was
questions
about
whether
you
know
it
was
supposed
to
be
applied
as
a
down
payment
assistance
if
it
gets
reused
for
something
different
for
a
specific
partial.
If
that's
an
allowed
use.
H
B
Yeah,
just
before
we
go
too
much
down
the
path
of
re
coming
up
with
a
new
plan
for
how
to
do
it
and
not
our
things.
If
we
can't,
if
we
can't
do
it,
but
it
sounds
like
all
like
all
so
any
old
conversations
from
the
previous
rp
are
pretty
much
dead.
So
now,
the
only
way
we
move
forward
would
be
either
a
new
rfp
or
it
be
allocated
to
the
parallel
kind
of
use.
B
Little
stuff
any
of
the
like
the
time
view
any
of
the
any
of
the
the
projects
that
were
allocated.
Trust
fund
is
any
of
that.
I
know
it's
been
ongoing.
Discussion
for
about
a
year
is
any
of
that
in
talk
to
just
return
to
the
housing
trust
fund,
or
is
it
still
just
kind
of
floating
out
there.
H
I
can
you
know,
I
think
there
were
certain
elements
of
the
housing
trust
fund.
I
know
there's
been
a
couple:
housing
trust
funds
that
have
been
rescinded,
that
we
need
to
address
and
and
process
through
council
and,
of
course,
paul
was
the
project
manager
on
that,
so
I'm
having
to
sort
through
where,
where
we
left
it
with
different
partners
and
and
proceed
there,
okay.
G
B
I
guess
we'll
let's
get
through
these
updates,
so
we
can
just
close
this
out
I'll
bring
we'll
bring
that
up
there.
Okay,
okay,
any
other
questions
from
anybody
else
on
I'm
just
assuming
most
of
the
most
of
the
you
know
ones
we
kind
of
go
through
each
month
that
not
much
has
changed
over
the
past
month.
Is
there
any
other
questions?
Anyone
wants
to
ask
about
those.
H
B
B
Okay,
I
think
you're
good,
all
right
next
step
kind
of
we
have
our
the
list
of
data
that
we
provide
each
month
about
the
houses,
the
or
the
non-houses
non-existent
houses
below
275
000
yeah.
It's
like
it's!
It's
amazing
like
watching.
You
know
I
looked
over.
I
looked
over
those
from
like
three
years
ago.
Five
years
ago,
I've
been
doing
this
for
so
long.
It's
amazing
how
little
how
low
that
list
is,
but
you
know
it's
good
to
have
that
data
and
then
it's
real.
It's
always
really
interesting.
B
When
I
see
babs
update,
you
know
from
average
house
price
and
just
how
much
it's
accelerated
over
the
past
years,
just
phenomenal.
It's
phenomenal
scary
phenomenal,
but
any
any
questions,
comments
or.
B
C
I
C
The
I
think
it
was
the
recent
sales.
It
was
just
three
homes.
No
I'm
sorry,
not
not
the
three
homes
currently
for
sale,
but
on
the
recent
sales
it
looked
like
a
number
of
those
were
either
sold
at
or
below
listing
price.
Would
you
attribute
that,
to
just
I
mean
they're,
they're
fixer-uppers
or
those
particular
spots
for
just
really
soft
demand.
B
You
know
I
didn't.
I
have
to
look
at
that
to
see
the
the
difference
but
yeah.
Obviously,
as
you
kind
of
pointed
out,
the
last
meeting
of
like
one
of
the
listings
on
reed
street,
I
believe
it
was
that
a
lot
of
the
houses
that
we're
seeing
below
275
000
really
aren't
habitable
houses
below
275
thousand
dollars,
they're
really
fixer-uppers
or
major
challenges.
So
I
imagine
a
lot
of
those
challenges
come
up
during
due
diligence
right.
You
know.
I've
seen
it.
B
C
E
C
B
B
So
yeah
I
was
so
there's
there's
a
lot
of
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
that.
So,
I
think,
is
the
movement's
more
anything.
That's
habitable.
I
think
the
movement
is
more
up
than
down
it's.
It's
definitely
for
any
any
housing
stock
under
300.
It's
it's
always
a
competitive
bid
situation
right.
Any
other
comments.
B
I
always
like
reviewing
those
hack
about
vouchers.
You
know
too,
it's
just
that's
been.
You
know
new
valuable
data
like
sifting
through
that,
okay
moving
on
then
our
task
force
updates
for
our
build
task
force.
Our
last
meeting
we
had
nancy
watford
from
storm
order
in
and
kind
of
you
know
just
discussed.
You
know
what
we're
you
know.
Our
goal.
B
Build
is
kind
of
we're
trying
to
basically
put
together,
in
the
end,
almost
like
a
infield,
developer,
guidebook
and
identifying
the
pain
points
and
the
what
pain
points,
but
also
what
some
low
hanging
fruit
were
changing.
So
to
help
identify
what
are
some
of
the
quickest
stock
we
can
put
in.
You
know,
put
housing
stock.
We
can
get
out
there
and
look
at
what
is
what
is
some
of
the
you
know,
delays
for
that.
So
some
of
the
you
know,
I
think
we
brought
up
some
really
interesting
conversations
from
our
meetings.
B
It's
been
really
good.
Having
these
kind
of
intimate,
one-on-one
conversations
with
different
department,
heads
and
entity
leads,
you
know,
I
think
one
of
the
things
we,
you
know
shared
one
of
the
things
we
definitely
uncovered
and
when
meeting
with
msd
was
learning
the
fact
that
they're
not
allowed
to
extend
their
own
lines.
You
know
I
think
that
was
a
major
like.
I
think
we
were
all
shocked
by
that
and
that
understand
also.
I
think
we
that
will
be
a
target
to
look
at
how
we
can
help
change
that
you
know.
B
Another
little
thing
is
brought
to
my
attention.
This
this
month
is
water,
like
water
department
started
because
of
staffing
they're,
limiting
no
more
than
five
water
applications
at
a
time
for
any
projects,
and
so
you
have
to
process
five
and
then
complete
the
five
and
then
go
on
to
the
next
so
which
means,
if
you're,
if
you're,
trying
to
do
a
development
of
15
houses,
you've
got
to
go
through.
The
pro
you've
got
to
submit
three
different
rounds
of
applications.
B
That's
my
understanding,
staffing
and,
I
think,
just
their
you
know:
water
department,
updated
technology.
You
know
they're
they're,
still
paper
based
they
haven't
joined,
they
haven't
gone
in
with
the
development
services
accela
program,
so
it's
they're,
not
there's
no
automation
to
it.
So
I
think
it's
just
staffing
and
processing-
and
you
know,
but
you
know
it's
definitely
a
penalty
to
anyone.
Volume
building
and
generally
volume
builders
have
the
best
chance
of
building
more
affordably.
B
You
know,
I
think
some
of
it
was
brought
on
from
the
overwhelming
development
from
I
think
the
was
it
that
who's
the
builders
dr
horton,
or
one
of
the
the
bigger
builder.
That's
here
I
think
part
of
that
was
brought
up
because
they
had
43
come
in
at
the
same
time,
but
you
know
understanding
that
they
that
change
was
made
without
even
discussing
it
with
ben
woody.
He
didn't
even
know
about
it.
You
know
development
services
director,
so
I
think
there's
some
of
these
things.
B
I
think
we're
helping
bring
to
light
and
bring
some
attention
to
that
are
real,
important
and
they're
just
kind
of
just
kind
of
process
changes
that
affect
the
effect.
You
know
they
become
weak
links
then
so
anyway,
but
you
know,
we've
had
some
really
good
conversations.
I
think
in
the
end,
we're
going
to
come
up
with
a
really
good
guidebook
and
recommendations
with
some
specific
actions.
So
I'm
excited
for
that
on
the
canes
scott.
C
She
had
a
quick
question
since
I
missed
the
meeting
with
the
stormwater
administrator.
Was
there
any
clarification
or
discussion
on
just
the
issue
of
you
know
the
issue
of
ten
thousand
square
feet
of
disturbance,
for
you
know
one
site
versus
having
you
know
multiple
sites,
and
you
know
contiguous
to
that.
I
know:
there's
been
some
confusion
over
particularly
for
small
infill
sites
on
that
threshold.
B
Not
full
clarity
on
it.
There's
definitely
had
a
lot
of
discussion
of
what's
a
city.
What's
a
city
thing
and
what's
a
state
thing
right,
but
you
know
the
example
we
discussed
a
lot
is
that
if
a
builder,
if
you've
got
five
lots
next
to
each
other
and
if
five
different
builders
pull
the
permits
each
builder,
can
you
know
by
right
is
allowed
to
disturb
ten
thousand
square
feet?
And
so
then
you
don't
have
to
go
through
the
same
formal
site
process.
B
If
one
builder
is
doing
the
five
lots,
the
five
individual
residential
lots,
then
that
10
000
cap
is
for
the
whole
five
lots.
It's
any
adjoining
lots.
So
it's
basically
it's
again
another
thing
that
just
penalizes
volume,
building
that
there's
really
no
difference,
there's
still
five
houses,
but
it's
but
we're
trying
to
get
we're.
We
went
back
and
forth
a
lot
trying
to
get
clarity
like.
B
Where
does
that
come
from
there's
nothing,
there's
nothing
in
the
udo
that
states
that
it's,
I
think
it's
referred
to
as
common
plan
of
development,
there's
nothing
that
refers
to
that.
B
So
it's
going
back
to
some
state
stuff,
but
we're
working
on
that
because
it's
almost
we
need
clarification
from
the
state
right
yeah,
it's
this
kind
of
silly
there's
like
just
silly
things
that
or
you
know
I
find
them
silly-
that
that
prohibit
like
really
discourage
volume,
building
and
and
really
you
know,
for
affordability
volume
building
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
ways
to
make.
You
know
it's
one
of
the
ways
to
achieve
achieve
affordability,
so.
I
F
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
add
to
that
whole
common
plan
of
development,
where
I
hear
your
frustration
where
it's
typically
applied.
Is
you
know
very
often
in
like
a
commercial
situation
where,
if
you're
outside
of
the
city
of
asheville,
if
you
stay
under
an
acre
disturbed,
then
you
don't
have
to
get
a
grading
permit
from
the
state,
because
that's
the
threshold,
and
so
what
they're
trying
to
do
is
prevent
even
like
a
commercial.
You
know
shopping
center
from
somebody
going
and
doing
like
0.99,
acre
out
parcels
and
never
having
to
get
a
permit.
F
So
I
think
the
the
overarching
umbrella
idea
of
it
is
good
because
they're
trying
to
keep
you
know
that
you
don't
you
want
to
make
sure
that
everything's
being
looked
at
together,
but
the
way
it's
being
applied,
all
the
way
down
to
the
single-family
homes
being
built,
and
in
your
situation
I
see
how
that
could
be
a
roadblock
and
I
kind
of
understand
there
is
good
intent
back
there
at
a
high
level,
but
it's
got
it
seems
to
have
ramifications
in
in
the
the
builder's
world
and
and
causing
just
costs
to
go
up.
F
B
Yeah
as
well
yeah,
it's
only
just
like
an
infill
home
barrier.
You
know
that
seems
to
be
be
so
we'll
see
where
the
conversation
goes,
but
it's
good
to
kind
of
bring
the
light
and
it
helps
to
understand
the.
Why,
like
you
said,
yeah
there's
definitely
good
intent
behind
it
and
it
doesn't
mean
the
intent
has
to
go
away
in
some
of
these
policies,
but
it's
how
to
make
them
more
common
sense.
B
So
we'll
see
on
the
connect
test
force,
I
think
you
know
joe
sent
some
updates
in
you
know.
I
think
we've
asked
for
some
help
for
making
sure
we
did.
We
did
good
reach
out
for
for
trying
to
fill
our
available
committee
seat
and
then
I
think
there
was
you
want
to
share
andy
or
someone
else
on
the
connect
task
force.
I
saw
some
good
stuff
on
that
update.
D
Yeah,
hey
there.
This
is
paul.
We
we
met
on
the
19th,
we
were
joined
by
carmen
and
kate
from
just
economics.
The
purpose
of
that
was
to
discuss
the
centralized
rental
application.
D
D
This
is
the
idea
is
that
we
have
an
application
that
is
sort
of
uniform
that
can
be
used
across
the
city
by
many
landlords.
You
can
imagine
there
would
be
many
benefits
to
something
like
that.
Let's
see
the
see,
renters
landlords.
D
Of
course,
discussion
around
those
being
like
the
application
process
being
either
very
low
cost
or
or
hopefully
even
free,
and
then
you
know
the
access
of
it
being
able
to
provide
it
to
many
landlords
just
so.
It's
kind
of
flowing
both
directions,
partnering
with
thrive
and
other
community
partners,
they're
they're,
looking
to
partner,
you
know
with
as
many
organizations
as
possible
they've
already
got
10
landlords
who've
indicated
that
they'd
be.
D
You
know,
willing
participants.
We
had
a
list
of
specific
people
that
we
would
meet
with
mho,
for
example,
and
others.
Let's
see,
we
are
compiling
a
list
of
potential
partners
on
that.
D
This
was
another
thing
that
we
had
included
dewana
on,
so
hopefully
we're
all
able
to
connect
with
tawanna,
but
we
we'll
we're
compiling
the
list
and
we're
going
to
do
a
big
sort
of
outreach
project.
As
a
committee
or
a
task
force,
I
should
say-
and
so
we'll
pull
all
that
information
together
and
then
we
also
did
discuss
the
open
seat
and
joe
babs
and
myself
all
had
possibilities
there,
that
specific
people
that
we
noted
that
we
might
could
could
at
least
discuss
it
with.
D
So,
let's
see
we
are
meeting
again
on
the
17th.
B
Thanks
yeah,
I
was
excited
about
that
rental
application.
I
think
that
was
a
phenomenal
idea.
I
wonder
if
there's
any
like
there's
even
like
arpa
funding
to
help
with
that
you
know.
With
I
mean
it's,
I
thought
that
idea
was
phenomenal
and
I
wonder
if
there's
any
any,
you
know
the
crisis
funding
that
could
help
with
that.
D
That's
an
interesting
thought.
I
yeah
I
hadn't
considered
that
at
all
it's
as
far
as
I
know,
it's
just
a
brand
new
idea
that
that
they
came
up
with.
I
don't
even
know
if
there's
examples
of
of
this
happening
in
other
cities.
But
one
of
the
points
I
recall
discussing
is
that
this
gives
an
opportunity
for
both
the
you
know:
big
landlords
that
have
access
to
maybe
many
many
properties,
but
also
the
smaller
landlords
who
we've
discussed
in
this
committee.
D
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
we
we
missed
them,
because
you
know
it's
easier
to
connect
with
the
bigger
ones.
So,
there's
a
lot
of
housing
out
there,
where
landlords
may
only
manage
one
or
three
or
four
properties
and
being
able
to
include
those
two,
so
yeah
we're
working
on
connecting
with
them.
As
per
our
committee
name,.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
that's
phenomenal.
I
think
what
we'll
we've
got
a
couple.
We
have
another
suggestion
for
2021,
innovate,
kind
of
the
innovations
and
housing
idea
like
about
that
andy
had
brought
up,
but
this
might
be
another
one
like
just,
I
think,
that's,
I
think.
That's
a
great
idea
and
I'd
like
to
see
how
you
know
we
we,
as
a
committee,
can
support
that
and
try
to
help
build
the
support
you
know
from
others
in
the
community.
For
that.
B
C
Just
a
kind
of
a
side
question
for
the
connect
group:
have
you
all
discussed
employer
assisted
housing
at
all?
I
only
ask
because
it's
something
that
I
actually
recently
researched
for
a
meeting
I
attended
yesterday
at
blue
ridge
community
college
in
hendersonville
it
was
a
kind
of
a
manufacturer's
employer
summit
and
one
of
the
biggest
points
of
discussion
coming
out
of
that
was
you
know
how
can
we,
how
can
we
potentially
assist
employees
with
housing
either
directly?
C
D
I
don't,
I
don't
recall
a
discussion
around
that
anyone
from
connect.
G
We
haven't
talked
about
it
in
the
in
the
connect
team.
Specifically,
I've
also
had
a
few
conversations
with
employers
in
the
area
about
employer-assisted
housing,
and
there
are
some
good.
There
are
some
really
successful
local
examples.
G
D
I
can
say
too
that,
through
my
work
at
home
trust,
we
have
a
program
where
we
connect
with
employers
and
they
provide
their
employees
with
some
housing
assistance
as
it
relates
to.
D
I
guess
the
example
I'm
thinking
of
is
purchase
situations
and-
and
I
think
it's
a
great
program-
I
see
it
sort
of
underutilized,
but
that's
sort
of
the
purpose
of
of
these
task
forces.
Isn't
it
yep.
E
So
paul,
could
you
put
pratt
whitney
on
your
list,
because
this
is
a
company?
That's
be
bringing
five
to
800
jobs.
We
hope
in
a
relatively
short
period
of
time,
they're
building
a
million
square
feet.
It's
the
largest
industrial
project
that
western
north
carolina
has
seen
in
decades.
E
So
they
would
definitely-
and
I
think,
they're
the
kind
of
company
that
would
be
interested
in
listening
to
what
we
have
to
say
on
that
perspective,
yeah.
E
Right
person
to
contact-
and
I
can
get
that
for
you
through
bart
duncan
through
the
chamber.
E
D
B
Yeah,
just
just
economics
actually
they're:
they
they
administered
for
employers,
kind
of
a
down
payment
savings
program
with
with
credit
counseling
or
they
use.
You
know
they
did
what
was
formerly
a
mission
and
they
did
for
the
billboard
state
and
if
there's
any
others,
but
you
know
they-
they
were
definitely
involved
in
that,
and
that
would
be
a
good
yeah
yeah
good
thing
in
their
conversations
to
bring
up.
G
And
I
know
they're
working
right
now
on
a
on
some
discussions
around
expanding
that
that
kind
of
employer
housing
assistance
with
the
hospitality
industry
in
a
bigger
way,
so
yeah
would
be
a
really
good,
a
good,
a
good
conversation
to
have
with
them
on
what
their
experience
has
been.
Administering
you
know,
biltmore
has
both
rental
assistance
and
down
payment
assistance
model
that
on
track
administers
for
them.
So
I
think
there's
great
models
to
look
at.
B
Okay,
move
on
you
know
that
next
section
about
challenges
is
kind
of
what
we're
we
should
really.
I
should
just
combine
that
I'll
combine
that
in
the
future
kind
of
with
the
task
forces,
because
I
think
that's
really
what
we're
hitting
planning
open
space.
I
thought
we
were
done
with
it
from
rsvp,
but
do
you
want
to
you
want
to
just
give
a?
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
time,
but
yeah,
margie
or
scott
or
chris.
You
want
to
kind
of
just
give
a
quick,
quick
update.
C
I
Sure
so
we
have
pushed
off
the
planning
and
zoning
and
council
review
for
another
month,
because
we
became
aware
that
the
two
city-owned
parcels
that
we're
proposing
to
rezone
as
part
of
this
amendment
without
getting
into
why
we're
rezoning
land
for
open
space.
But
it's
related.
I
I
And-
and
so
we
just
want
to
take
another
month
to
to
talk
to
city
council
and
to
clarify
what's
going
on
and
really
to,
I
think
to
to
make
it
clear
that
these
parcels
are
are
going
to
continue
in
their
current
operation.
One
is
a
fire
station,
that's
not
going
anywhere.
The
other
one
is
the
grant
center,
which
has
gone
through
extensive
community
input,
and
now
it's
part
of
a
second
phase
of
what
that
park
site
is
going
to
look
like
so
to
not
make
any
surprises,
we're
just
pushing
it
off
a
month.
F
Okay,
vadilla:
do
we
do
you
feel
like
the
pnz
got
moved
off
a
month?
Will
it
move?
You
know
straight
to
city
council
after
pnz,
or
is
there
some
other
time
frame.
I
No
we're
scheduled
right
now
to
go
to
council
on
february
8th
confirm
that
with
the
clerk
this
morning,
cool.
C
B
Cool
thanks
thanks
vadilla
all
right.
Next
up,
we
have
two
little
well
we've
the
about
our
us
seeing
project
before
hed.
It's
been
kind
of
an
ongoing
discussion.
You
know
we'll,
I
know
with
paul
leaving,
but
we'll
probably
get
sidetracked
inside
table
for
a
little
bit,
so
we'll
we'll
kind
of
keep
that
up
there
in
the
new
year
and
keep
our
keep
our
foot
in
the
door
watching
as
these
things
come
through
other
nikki,
have
there
been
any
new
housing,
trust
fund
or
luigi
applications
that
have
come
in.
H
No,
not
that
not
that
I'm
aware
of
I
mean
we
are
expecting.
You
know
we
have
the
homework
bound,
which
I
think
everyone
is
aware
of,
and
the
hayward
street
congregation
is
in
conversation
with
us
about
their
project,
so
that
could
be
cycled
through
the
housing
trust
fund.
But
that's
that's
as
far
as
I
know.
H
B
All
right
any
other
thoughts
on
that
I
mean,
I
think,
what
we're
going
to
keep
our
pushing,
but
if
there's
any
any
updated
thoughts
happy
to
hear
them.
B
B
I
think
we'll
just
keep
it
on
the
agenda.
I
don't
know
if
I've
got
anything
updated
to
share
about
that
other
things
we
want
to
move
on
to
is
there
anyone
who
wants
to
chime
in
or
share
any
updates
or
thoughts
on
that.
B
What
we'll
try
to
do
is
maybe
tie
that
in
with
kind
of
the
culmination
of
kind
of
what
some
of
our
attack
the
task
force
is
going
to
come
up
with,
like
with
like
kind
of
this
infill
developer
guide.
Maybe
we
can
do
as
we're
identifying
the
pain
points
for
infill,
with
some
of
that.
Maybe
we
can
kind
of
align
that
in
with
what
kind
of
scaled
rebates
or
key
things
that
we
can
come
up
with,
that
might
assist
with
that.
B
Maybe
we'll
try
to
tie
those
try
to
tie
those
together,
tighten
up
the
agenda
for
the
future.
On
that,
and
I
do,
I
do
actually
need
to
share
if
anyone
wants,
I
I
think
I
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
greg
borham
after
them.
After
our
meeting
last
time
about
that
study,
we
had
done
about
the
fee
rebates
and
the
you
know.
B
B
I
did
not
post
that,
but
I
did
I
sent
it
over
to
greg
warren,
but
I
will
I'll
post
that
data
that
if
anyone's
got
questions
on
it,
they
can
ask
some
specific
stuff,
but
I
thought
it
was
a
kind
of
a
valuable
research
project.
I
thought
next
up
down
payment
assistance
we
kind
of
covered.
I
guess
that
during
the
community
development
updates
that
there's
not
much
kind
of
hasn't
been
any
movement
quite
on
that
this
past
month.
B
So
let's
see
what
what
happens
next
we'd
ask
for
some
clarification
about
housing,
trust
fund
and
few
rebate
penalties
just
to
understand,
like
kind
of
if
there
is
essentially
built-in
scaled
incentives
indirectly.
You
know
if
I
already-
and
I
think
so-
there's
a
link
to
kind
of
some
of
the
wording
of
those.
B
So
maybe,
as
you
know,
as
we
get
more
staff
stable,
you
know
staff
stable
in
the
future.
We
can
actually
do
some
hypothetical
studies
like
to
look
at
a
project.
You
know
I
could
probably
like
almost
do
the
math
on
it
like,
if,
if
I,
if
someone
had
built
a
30
unit,
40
unit
project
and
committed
a
certain
amount
of
affordable
and
after
five
years,
if
they
removed
from
the
program,
what
does
the
penalty
look
like
you
know?
Maybe
we
can
kind
of
do
like
a
few
little
case.
B
Studies
on
those
maybe
I'll,
see
if
you
know
someone
on
the
committee
wants
to
take
that
on
as
some
homework
it
could
be
a
fun
little
study
just
to
do
some
hypotheticals
to
see
what
that
penalty
actually
looks
like
dollar-wise.
B
Any
other
comments,
questions
on
that
nope
all
right.
Moving
on
so
we've
got.
You
know,
I
guess
this
would
be
a
good
time
to
go.
You
know
the
the
in
our
new
business
section
got
a
couple.
Things
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
up.
One
was
you
know
with
paul,
leaving
kind
of
taking
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
look
at
that
role
and
also
see
if
we
should
be
advocating
to
actually
have
an
affordable
housing
director
for
the
city
more
of
a
defined
role.
B
So
I
put
that
on
there
we'd
ask
to
kind
of
compile
some
resume.
You
know
lots
of
resumes
some
job
descriptions
from
other,
affordable
housing
director
positions
around
the
country,
so
I
think
we've
done
a
little
bit
of
that,
and
so
I
guess,
if
you
could
maybe
start
nikki
just
kind
of
give
us
what
you
should.
B
You
know
with
us
offline,
just
kind
of
an
update
of
what
we're,
what
we're
starting,
what
the
process
is
like
for
starting
to
you
know,
fill
that
that
role
and
maybe
even
explain
what,
how
you
see
that
role
compared
to
what
your
role
is
now
now
that
you're,
you
know.
Sometimes
I
I'm
even
confused
of
like
how
that,
let's
say
the
hierarchy,
but,
like
maybe
you
know,
you
can
share
like
how
you
see
what
your
new,
what
your
position
is
and
what
you're
going
to
do
and
how
you
see
these.
B
H
Absolutely
I'm
happy
to
do
that
and
so
and
I'll
just
I'll
make
no
assumption
so
I'll
start
from
the
beginning.
So
for
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
nikki
reed.
I've
worked
for
the
city
for
almost
15
years
now
and
I
began
my
career
with
the
city
in
the
community
economic
development
department,
as
its
real
estate
manager
and
through
my
time
with
the
city,
I've
been
promoted
into
different
roles.
H
H
I
was
promoted
into
the
economic
development
program
director
role,
where
I
oversaw
the
city's
business
inclusion
office,
the
special
events
office,
the
real
estate
office
and
led
the
city's
initiatives
around
economic
development
incentives
and
then,
in
april
of
this
past
year,
when
sam
powers,
the
director
of
the
department
when
he
retired,
I
was
asked
to
step
in
as
the
interim
director,
and
so
I
had
I'd,
been
working
on
as
an
interim
capacity
since
april,
and
then
early
november,
I
was
selected
to
be
the
permanent
director
of
the
community
and
economic
development
department,
so
I've
had
a
long
history
with
the
department
and
a
long
history
with
the
city,
and
I
was
really
honored
to
be
selected
as
as
the
permanent
director
for
this
role.
H
One
thing
that
I
missed,
of
course,
is
that,
along
this
journey
I
began
working
with
the
community
development
division
and
really,
namely
paul
jeff
stoddinger.
You
know
all
the
the
community
development
directors
of
the
past
heather
on
affordable
housing,
and
so
we
saw
that
confluence
of
the
real
estate
role
with
the
city
and
the
affordable
housing
goals
of
the
city.
H
You
know
really
come
together
several
years
ago,
under
jeff's
leadership
and
so
I've
I've
really
been
fortunate
to
have
a
deep
involvement
in
affordable
housing
issues
with
the
city
and
now,
more
than
ever,
really
with
the
bond
program.
I
took
on
a
lot
of
leadership
around
the
affordable
housing
bond,
specifically
within
the
lens
of
the
city-owned
property
component
of
the
bond
and
and
working
alongside
paul.
H
So
I
feel,
like
I've,
been
fortunate
to
again
have
that
history
with
the
city
to
really
understand
how
how
process
and
and
the
structure
of
city
governance
works
as
well
as
really
getting
in
deep
and
having
that
partnership
with
paul
so
that
I
understand
affordable
housing
and
then,
with
my
deep
understanding
of
real
estate.
It
seems
like
it's,
you
know
I
want
to
really
be
in
service
to
affordable
housing
and
really
in
terms
of
the
future
of
the
department
I
feel
like
housing
is
going
to
be.
H
You
know,
continuing
continuing
to
be
one
of
our
most
important
goals
and,
of
course,
that
certainly
mirrors
city,
council's
strategic
positioning
of
affordable
housing
and
equitable
economic
development
is
is
really
the
other
piece
of
that.
That
comes
to
mind
when
I
think
about
how
this
fits
within
city
council's
framework
as
well.
So
you
know
I'm
what
I've
told
staff-
and
this
is
part
of
my
process-
is
I'm
really
beginning
anew
as
the
community
economic
development
director
as
well.
H
I
really
want
to
start
fresh
and
really
start
with
a
lot
of
intentionality
around
the
plan
for
the
department,
the
vision
for
the
department,
how
we
serve
the
public,
how
we
serve
city
council
and
how
we,
how
we
work
right-
and
I
think
with
that
you
know-
paul's
departure
kind
of
happened.
At
the
same
time,
we
in
fact
shared
our
news
together
on
the
same
day,
so
it
was
it
was.
It
was
a.
H
It
was
a
great
conversation
and,
of
course,
you
all
know
how
how
much
I
I
hold
paul
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
and
and
what
a
great
partner
he
was
for
me
throughout
the
years.
So
with
that,
I
think
with
paul's
departure.
H
I
have
been
meeting
with
each
of
the
community
development
staff
to
understand
what
they
do.
What
what
the
management
of
these
hud
programs
looks
like
for
them?
What
their
pain
points
are,
what
what
the
priorities
are,
how
we
set
priorities
as
department?
I'm
really
wanting
to
take
that
on
to
learn
how
I
can
assist
and
how
I
can
support
staff
in
that
role.
Of
course,
that
also
means
for
me
understanding
what
vacancies
that
we
have
in
the
department
and
how
we
can
position
those
vacancies
for
success,
and-
and
rightly
so.
H
I
know
last
time
you
all
talked
about
the
need
for
an
affordable
housing
director
and
really
what
I
heard
is
is
what
kind
of
capacity
do
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
the
community
and
meeting
the
needs
of
the
department
and
of
the
strategic
priority
that
this
this
issue
is
for
the
city
of
asheville
right,
so
I'm
taking
that
very
seriously,
and
I
also
acknowledge
that
there
is
a
process
that
we
must
follow
when
it
comes
to
staffing
personnel
and
the
investments
of
of
of
human
resources
right.
H
So,
all
that's
to
say:
here's
what's
currently
on
my
mind,
I,
like
I
said
I've
been
meeting
with
staff,
we're
having
our
staff
retreat
next
friday,
where
I
really
hope
to
look
at
what
kind
of
supporting
structures
and
infrastructure
for
the
department
is
needed,
and
so
that's
just
that's
just
how
we
work
right
on
what
kind
of
is
it
you
know,
software
org
chart.
H
All
that
is
is
on
on
my
mind
and
in
process,
but
it
is
of
great
importance
that
we
begin
the
hiring
process
for
the
cd
community
development
program
director
as
soon
as
possible,
and
so
I
have
finalized
that
job
description.
H
I
have
sent
that
off
to
hr
and
so
working
on
getting
that
posted
to
the
city's
website
simultaneously,
I'm
already
thinking
about
how
to
structure
the
interview
panel
and
that
process
to
be
most
effective
in
full
transparency.
I
I
intend
to
invite
a
member
of
the
community
development
division
staff.
I
think
that's
important
to
have
someone
who
is
on
staff
to
be
part
of
that
interview
process.
H
I
have
also
invited
the
chair
of
this
committee,
barry
bialik,
to
participate
in
that
selection
process,
because
I
think
it's
important
to
have
a
public
participation
in
selecting
that
role
as
well
and
I'll
likely
round
out
that
that
group
with
other
key
staff
among
the
city
department.
H
I
haven't
quite
finalized
that
yet,
but
that's
typically
how
how
we
process
that
internally,
I
do
expect
to
have
that
position
posted
for
at
least
a
month
to
allow
people
time
over
the
holidays
to
submit
applications
and
then
we'll
close
that
process
and
begin
reviewing,
resumes
and
hopefully
working
towards
a
positive
hire
fingers
crossed.
H
My
my
hope
is
that
we
would
have,
in
the
march
time
frame
march
april
time
framing
in
these
things
take
time,
and
we
certainly
recognize
the
importance
of
getting
this
right,
and
so,
while
I
would,
I
would
love
to
have
that
position
filled
as
soon
as
something
you
know
something
in
march.
I
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
we
make
the
right
decision
and
hold
that
space.
H
For
that,
then
you
know
looking
at
what
other
staff
supports
are
needed
to
really
make
the
division.
Successful
will
be
part
of
of
my
thinking
in
my
job
during
our
budget
process
and
we're
just
now
kicking
off
that
process
internally
with
the
city
and
so
again,
I've
been
meeting
with
staff
to
understand
the
the
functionality
of
the
division
and
what
makes
sense
for
staff,
and
so
that's
primarily
the
starting
point
that
I
have
in
terms
of
hoping
to
grow
that
division.
H
So
with
that
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
hear
any
feedback.
But
I
do
just
appreciate
the
the
committee's
attention
to
this
staffing
issue
and
and
wanting
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
positive
future
for
these
important
issues.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
nikki.
You
know
yeah.
I
certainly
appreciate
yeah
like
having
like
almost
like
a
yeah
committee
looking
to
like
that,
will
interview
and
and
have
it
be
well-rounded.
I
really
appreciate
that.
It's
nice,
you
know
transparency,
including
the
public,
and
that
is
great.
You
know
us
as
a
representative
of
it.
So
I
appreciate
that.
I
think
that
is
a
great
idea
to
include
a
member
of
your.
You
know
your
team
on
it
did
you
was
the
your
position,
your
former
position,
a
real
estate
manager.
H
That
is
a
vacancy
also,
so
in
fact,
the
economic
development
program
director
and
the
real
estate
manager.
So
the
two
of
my
previously
held
positions.
Of
course
they
were
frozen
during
covid,
so
we
weren't
able
to
rehire
those
and
and
quite
frankly,
I've
needed
to
resolve
just
again
where
I
said
you
know
to
understand
the
future
of
the
department,
so
I've
held
those
open
just
so
that
I
could
get
some
clarity
on
on
the
future
of
the
department
before
I
advertise
those.
G
Yeah,
I'm
wondering,
do
you
feel
like
you
have
the
you
know
the
the
market
information
for
the
for
the
position
that
you're
hiring
for
to
to
be
competitive,
and
has
there
been
any
discussion,
maybe
with
the
city's
hr
team
around
some
of
the
root
causes
for
the
retention
issues
that
we've
had
in
this
position
and
do
you
feel
like
you've,
got
strategies
in
place
in
the
room
in
your
new
role
to
to
support
and
develop
and
do
the
things
necessary
to
retain
somebody?
G
I
mean,
I
think
getting
the
right
person
here
is
one
piece
of
it
and
you
know
we've
had
you
know:
we've
had
four
of
the
right
people
over
the
last
four
years,
so
it
it.
It
really
becomes
an
issue
of
you
know,
keeping
that
person
in
the
job
long
enough
to
to
really
get
some
traction,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
you
feel
like
you've.
You
know
that
that
analysis
has
been
done.
H
And
I
appreciate
the
question
andy
and
I'm
kind
of
hearing
a
couple
things.
Of
course,
the
city
you
know
you
know.
One
thing
I
hear
is:
is
compensation,
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
hearing
come
through
with
that
question,
and
I
know
the
city
completed
its
comp
class
study
and
implemented
some
major
compensation
changes
this
past
year
and
so
we'll
be
advertising
with
the
salary
posted
that
came
as
a
result
of
that
comp
in
class
study.
H
The
second
question
about
retention.
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
a
great
question.
I
think-
and
I
think
again
you
know
with
the
change
you
know
not
only
as
as
as
our
leadership
change
with
sam
powers
retiring,
but
also
kathy,
ball's
departure,
an
assistant
city
manager
and
so
understanding
how
how
that
leadership
change
will
continue
to
shape
our
our
department.
H
I
think
those
are
those
are
great
questions
and
I
take
it.
I
take
it
very
seriously.
I
mean
I
like
I've
been
a
long
time,
employee
of
the
city
and
that
that
is
certainly
my
intention.
H
One
of
the
the
themes
that
I'm
hearing
is
how
we
set
priorities
and
and
how
we
be
really
really
tight
about
that
I
mean
scope
creep,
is
a
real
thing.
You
know,
and
it's
and
it's
hard
to
over
tax
our
staff
and
expect
stellar
results.
100
of
the
time.
I
think
we've
got
to
get
really
super
strategic
about
what
we
want
to
accomplish
and
be
sincere
about
that,
and
so
you
know
and
we're
talking
about
this
as
staff
and
and
I
think
again,
when
we
have
these
big
changes
that
occur.
H
It's
an
excellent
opportunity
to
really
get
get
serious
about
about
these
things
and
about
how
we
can
how
we
can
change,
and
course
correct
right,
so
I'm
in
it
I'm
I'm
committed.
I
know
the
staff
is
committed
too.
I
I
know
that
we
we
all
are
you
know
it
is
2021
right.
H
I
think
everyone
is
understanding
how
how
the
landscape
has
changed
in
all
our
lives,
with
with
everything
we've
all
gone
through
collectively
for
the
past
couple
of
years,
and
so
I'm,
but
I'm
focused
on
that
and
I'm
I
really
want
to
show
change
and
show
show
the
department
that
we're.
You
know
that
I'm
here
for
them
and
I
and
I
support
them
and
that
we
we
want
to
do.
H
G
Yeah
the
the
thing
that
I
want
to
just
drill
down
a
little
bit
more
on
that
question
is
I
I
hear
your
commitment
to
that.
I
want
to
know
how
you're
being
supported
in
living
into
that.
So
what's
the
hr
team's
role,
what's
the
role
in
the
budget
process,
how
are
we
going
to
get
the
resources
that
we
need
to
hire
the
staff
that
we
need
to
really
fulfill
the
strategies
that
we,
as
a
community,
have
set
out
around
affordable
housing?
You
can't
make
this.
H
I
hear
you
and
I'm
and
I
I'll
hold
up
that
mirror
to
say
yes
like,
let's
I
appreciate
you
all
being
my
support
in
this
right
and
I
appreciate
that
and
recognizing
that
and
and
appreciate
the
conversation.
So,
yes,
I
think
I
think
you
know
and
and
the
city
manager
and
I
have
a
very
good
relationship.
H
I
feel
very
supported
by
debra,
and
I
really
think
that
her
and
I
work
well
together
and-
and
so
that
is,
that
is
a
great
foundation
from
which
to
begin
with,
really
really
growing
the
division
in
a
positive
way
to
meet
the
need.
B
Yeah
andy
yeah,
I
mean
those
are
great
points
and
thoughts,
and-
and
I
and
I
think,
yeah-
and
I
think
you
know
it
has
been
challenging
to
make
sure
that
some
of
these
important
roles
are
properly
supported.
Not
just
I
mean
the
financial,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
they're
allowed
to
do
their
work.
You
know-
and
I
think-
and
I
think
that's
and
I
think
you
know
in
some
ways
where,
as
a
public
committee,
we
you
know
it's
weird
to
be
in
that
role,
but
we
we.
B
B
But
but
when
we
hear
about
some
of
these
frustrations
and
then
know
if
staff's
not
supported
and
if
you
know
they're
doing
projects
and
they
get
pulled-
and
you
know
we
are
the
voice
that
can
bring
that
couldn't
question-
that
in
a
way
that
that
an
employee
can't
question
that
the
same
way
because
their
job's
in
danger-
and
we
might
hear
some
of
that
frustration
from
some
of
the
people
we
work
or
the
staff
we
work
with-
to
help
be
a
voice.
For
that.
B
You
know,
I
think
we
have
been-
and
I
think
we're
acting
that,
because
we
want
this
role
to
succeed
and
we
might
be
able
to
help
bring
delight
or
discuss
in
meetings.
Some
of
the
frustration
points
that
are
brought
up,
you
know,
like
I
mean
even
you
know,
kind
of
kind
of
tie
these
together
with
even
like
what
were
some
of
the
things
we're
bringing
up
in
our
build
task
force
like
to
me.
These
are
things
that
I
wish
I
had
a
staff
person
to
go
to
to
like.
B
We
need
help
like
these
are
some
pretty
fundamental
changes,
and
some
of
them
are
policy
changes.
Some
of
them
are
communications
with
msd
and
water
that
we're
having
to
be
these
little
screaming.
Bandits
that
bring
them
to
attention
that
I
wish
I
had
an
ombudsman
or
wish.
I
had
an
affordable
housing
director
role
of
someone
I
can
go
to
who
then
felt
comfortable
to
talk
with
other
departments
to
have
difficult
conversations
because
yeah
to
challenge
someone
else's
policies.
B
It's
a
lot
harder
to
do
when
you're
one
department
head
challenging
another
department,
heads
policy,
but
that's
why
I
kind
of
think
like
this
idea
of
this
I
mean
it's
not
a
neutral,
but
you
know
it
feels
like
I've.
You
know
definitely
observed
that
this
role
has
been
pulled
by
politics
and
and
that's
not
fair
or
that
it's
been
pulled
by
you
know
just
not
clear
decision
making
on
the
city's
part
and
that's
been
frustrating
to
watch.
B
So
you
know,
I
think,
in
some
ways
we're
kind
of
a
public
ombudsman
on
this
right
now,
but
I
sure
wish
that
we
had
a
staff
role
that
could
interface
with
some
of
these
things
that
we're
bringing
up
that
are
major
issues
that
we
can
say
hey.
We
need
help
with
this,
so
I
wanted
to.
If
I
could,
I
just
want
to
there's
two
things
that
they'll
cool
there
yeah.
So
one
is
definitely
with
your
conversation,
andy
about
kind
of
salary
and
compensation.
B
So
what
I
wanted
you
know
what
I
just
wanted
to
share
this
and
I'm
not
sure
how
this
you
know
how
where
this
goes,
because
I
understand
we
definitely
need
to
hire.
You
know
position
for
now,
but
I
definitely
want
this
conversation
out
there
about
the
need
for
an
affordable
housing
director
czar
slash
whatever
so
I
looked
at
you
know
what
I
did
is
we
looked
at
other
municipalities
that
are
similar
size
and
how
do
they
do
it,
and
so
one
of
the
I
think
I
can
share
my
screen
yeah.
B
It
looks
like
I
need
to
do
that,
so
what
I
want
to
share,
first
of
all,
is
chapel
hill,
just
hired
just
went
through
the
process,
so
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
share
their
job
description
that
was
posted
for
their
role,
which
they
just
filled
in
october,
and
it
has
the
salary
in
it.
So
you
can
also
see
like
what
a
comparable
size
I
mean.
Chapel
hill
is,
I
think,
smaller
than
us
at
60.
B
Something
thousand
definitely
north
carolina
definitely
has
affordable
housing
issues,
but
I'm
just
going
to
share
with
that
job
description,
and
then
we
can,
you
know
post
what
what
they
hired
from
and
then
you
can.
You
know,
maybe
if
there's
any
language
from
that,
that
we
can
kind
of
whether
it's
in
the
job
description
or
used
in
the
interview
process.
This
might
be
helpful.
Okay
share
a
few
things
and
then
I'll
discuss
that's
okay,.
B
All
right,
oops.
B
Can
you
see
that,
yes,
okay,
so
this
is,
I
can
post
these
links,
but
this
is
so.
This
is
a
listing
I
found
this
is
the
affordable
housing
and
community
connections
director
that
was
hired
by
the
town
of
chapel
hill.
So
you
can
see
this
ad
was
posted
july.
23Rd
looks
like
I
have
another
thing
that
says
a
higher
was
made
in
october,
but
it
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea.
You
know
of
you
know
the
idea
is
it's
an
advocate
and
it
helps
connect
with
you
know.
B
Other
departments
and
I
think,
even
just
defining
the
putting
the
title
or
wording
and
of
affordable
housing
into
the
role
makes
it
more
clear.
The
same
way
I
had
to
ask
you
nikki,
like
what
exactly
is
the
breakdown
of
who
who
does
what
there
and
I
think
like
having
that
word?
Affordable
housing
helps
in
there,
but
you
know
I
want
you
to
look
right
to
that
salary
and
benefits.
B
You
know
this
is
town
of
chapel
hill,
so
they're
having
to
compete
to
get
someone
right
like
that
salary
level.
Is
you
know
definitely
beyond
what
we
as
a
city,
I
believe,
have
out
there?
So
I
think
there's
just
an
awareness.
You
know
to
your
point,
andy
of
like
what
market
compensation
is
to
get
to
get
qualified
people.
So
you
know
I'll
share.
You
know
so
I'll
share
this
link.
Let
me
get
back.
I'm
gonna
share
your
screens
many
times.
B
B
There
you
go
okay,
so
actually.
B
Hired
from
within
so
they
they
ended
up
hiring
someone
from
within.
For
that
and
that
person
yes
started
in
october.
Sorry,
I'm
gonna
pull
that
up.
B
Okay,
so
this
was
their
announcement
of
who
they
hired.
So
it
looks
like
she
was
so
says
it
was
a
national
national
search.
They
put
out
she
started
october,
25th
and
she's
been
you
know,
she
would
have
said
she
was
or
says
where
her
role
was,
but
she
joined
the
town.
You
know
it
was
a
decade
before
so
it's
kind
of
she
didn't.
She
did
move
up,
so
it
was
interesting
and
you
know
that
they
did
put
out
a
national
national
scope
for
higher
end
and
hired
from
within.
So
it's
great
that.
B
B
There
we
go,
you
know
so
I
mean
I
I
I
guess
my
point
is
like.
I
want
to
kind
of
look
at
some
of
the
job
descriptions
for
what
affordable
housing
directors
are,
and
maybe,
if
there's
a
way
to
even
include
that
wording
in
there,
I
think
it
might
just
be
more
targeted
and
specific,
the
other
one
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
screen
sharing
because
it
seems
to
be
I'm
not
you're
good
at
it,
but
I'll
share
the
link
afterwards.
B
The
other,
the
other
city
that
I
looked
at
was
ann
arbor
michigan.
You
know
they're
and
the
way
that
and
and
kind
of
the
specific
I
really
looked
at
them
is
that
they
weren't
hiring
but
look
at
their
their
hierarchy.
So
basically
their
department
is
called
the
housing
commission
and
then
they
have
a
director
of
housing.
You
know
the
director
of
housing
and
then
they
have
a
real
estate
manager.
They
have
a
finance
manager,
so
they
must
treat
it
like.
B
It's
a
very
housing,
focused
and
so
I'll
share
the
link
from
that,
but
I
that
was
one
of
the
examples.
When
I
looked
at
the
model
of
like
how
they
had
the
the
roles
broken
down,
it
was
very
housing
forwarded.
You
know
it's
almost
like
how
you
you
look
at
like
a
development
company,
how
their
structure
is.
B
And
so
that's
you
know,
that's
the
kind
of
the
input
I'd
like
to
put
into
this
I'll
share
the
link.
Sorry,
my
technology's,
not
very
good
at
this,
but
but
that
was
kind
of
you
know
my
take
on
it-
is
to
kind
of
just
look
at
like
how
these
roles
are
defined.
B
How
we
make
sure
that
you
know
you
know
we're
supporting
this
role
with,
is
clear
with
title
and
with
like
kind
of
proper
staffing
background
yeah,
because
it's
hard,
like
in
your
case,
nikki,
to
hire
this
role
and
and
then
not
have
a
real
estate
manager
and
then
not
having
an
economic
manager.
It's
like
it
puts
a
lot
of
pressure
on
one
person
or
or
a
small
team,
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
burnout
and
that's
you
know,
that's
hard.
You
know,
and
I
know
that
definitely
you
know
I
can.
B
I
think
that
was
a
lot
of
polls
you
know
or
anyone
in
this
role's
frustration
it's
so
anyone
have
any
thoughts
to
add
to
this.
You
know
I
think
this
will
this
is
kind
of
moving
along.
You
know,
I
think
the
role's
out
there,
but
I
think
I
do
you
know
I'm
going
to
continue
to
lobby,
for
you
know
some
kind
of
affordable
housing
director
or
at
least
take
the
job
descriptions
from
what's
a
director
and
make
them
more
clear.
B
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
want
to
help,
because
I
deal
with
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
folks
in
other
parts
of
the
states,
so
like
I'm,
going
to
get
dhic,
which
is,
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
get
their
job
descriptions
for
you
also
greenville
and
other
places
that
have
a
huge
emphasis
on
affordable
housing
and
share
is
with
you
to
help
you,
as
you
begin
to
you
know,
go
deeper
and
deeper.
E
I
mean
your
plate
is
so
full,
and
I
also
know
that
you
know
one
of
your
big
with
sam's
responsibility
and
I'm
assuming
it's.
Yours,
too,
is
the
civic
center.
Oh,
my
goodness,
that's
that's
another
huge
area
that
hopefully
yeah.
I
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
do
all
the
things
that
are
on
your
plate,
but
if
we
can
help
that's
what
we
want
our
role
to
be
to
be
able
to
help
you
as
you
you
move
along
in
this
process,.
C
Scott
hey,
this
is
actually
a
question
for
for
nikki,
since
you
were
kind
of
just
sharing.
Some
of
your
thoughts
on
you
know.
Moving
forward,
would
you
be
able
to?
You
know
just
quickly
give
the
committee
an
idea
of
what
you
see
community
and
economic
development's,
current
relationship
being
like
with
planning
and
urban
development
and
development
services,
and
maybe,
if
you
have
any
thoughts
about
how
you
want
that
relationship
to
either
change
or
evolve,
going
forward.
H
I
think
it's
a
great
question
because,
yes,
both
todd
and
ben
woody,
I
certainly
want
to-
I
mean
we
have
a
great
relationship
now,
but
I
think
certainly
it
makes
sense
to
just
further
advance
those
partnerships
across
the
departments.
H
We
work
a
lot
with
planning
and
urban
design
now,
especially
through
the
bond
program
and
and
stephanie
monsendall
has
been
a
long
time
partner
and
sasha
vatrinsky,
and
so
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
perfectly
appropriate
that
those
partnerships
continue
and
I
think,
on
housing.
You
know
what
I'm
hearing
is.
H
You
know
all
these
different
pieces
are
interconnected
when
it
comes
to
the
regulatory
role,
our
land
use
role,
as
well
as
our
financial
incentives
role,
and
you
know,
we've
been
we've
been
talking
about
that
for
quite
some
time,
but
then
yes,
like
being
sincere
about
how
those
how
those
things
move
forward
collectively-
and
so
I
I
think,
there's
there's
good
foundation
there,
but
certainly
more
more
work
to
be
done,
but
I
think
I
think
you're
absolutely
right
and
that
those
three
departments
in
particular
that
the
nexus
of
those
three
really
really
would
helps
further
the
cause
of
of
affordable
housing.
A
G
It's
just
really
critical
that
we
that
we,
that
we
get
some
continuity
in
in
this
program,
and
I
think
that
that
means
not
only
finding
the
right
person
for
this
role
but
to
make
sure
that
the
at
the
cd
analyst
level
that
there's
enough
staff
and
that
those
staff
members
are
supported.
G
I
you
know
I
do.
I
very.
I
do
like
the
idea
that
we're
talking
about
of
you
know
creating
some
way
of
elevating
affordable
housing
because
affordable
housing
and
economic
development
are.
You
know,
particularly
economic
development,
as
it
relates
to
sort
of
the
equity
goals
around
supporting
disadvantaged
businesses
and
those
sorts
of
things
they're,
both
probably
the
two
most
important
things
facing
our
city
right
now.
How
do
we,
you
know,
boost
the
income
vitality
of
residents
and
how
do
we
lower
their?
You
know
their
single
biggest.
G
It's
really
it's
almost
impossible
for
me
to
imagine
having
both
of
those
key
strategies
reporting
to
one
person.
Within
this
the
scheme
I
mean
nikki,
that's
you
know,
that's
a
ton
of
stuff
to
have
on
your
plate
and
finding
a
way
to
make
sure
that
those
those
two
things
are
adequately
staffed.
I
mean,
I
know
how
stretched
I
am
running
an
organization.
That's
just
just
doing
part
of
one
of
those
things,
and
it's
just.
G
It
sounds
like
a
huge
span
of
control
and
it's
very
very
difficult
for
me
to
imagine
how
we
would
you
know.
G
B
Thanks:
andy
yeah,
it's
it's
it's!
It's
a
challenge,
yeah!
It's
no
question,
but
I
think
that's
you
know
again,
that's
why
I
think
you
know
where
we
as
a
committee
can
at
least
br.
You
know
bring
this
discussion
to
light.
We
can't
make
any
decisions
about
this,
but
we
can
recommend
it.
We
can
serve
lobby,
you
know
in
front
public.
You
know
we
can
lobby
publicly
and
behind
the
scenes
whether
it's
you
know
for
an
affordable
housing
director,
whether
it's
for
finding
the
funding
for
it.
B
Whether
it's
you
know,
we
can
definitely
be
a
voice
in
that
and
bring
the
attention
to
the
need,
because
I
think
I
mean
you're
absolutely
correct
andy.
This
is
that
is
it's
just
been
historically
watching
some
years,
it's
too
much
to
put
on
one
role
and
it
dilutes
it.
You
know
not
that
the
work
hasn't
been
done,
but
it
dilutes
the
effectiveness
and
the
efficiency,
and
sometimes
you
know
picking
your
niches
and
saying
well
you're
doing
this
and
you're
the
expert
at
this
and
then
and
then
you're.
B
The
expert
at
this
might,
you
know,
be
more
efficient
because
you
know
we've
definitely
like.
I
said
you
know
we're
we
as
a
task
force,
are
bringing
to
light
some
pretty
big
issues
that
I
wish
there
was
a
staff
person
that
could
help
walk
through
this
stuff,
because
these
are
big
issues
and,
and
some
of
them
are
not
incredibly
difficult
changes.
B
Some
of
them
just
take
lobbying
and
savvy
negotiating,
but
there's
you
know,
I
don't
even
know
who
to
go
to
and-
and
you
know
that's
what
that's
kind
of-
why
I'm
looking
it's
like
a
publix,
it's
almost
like
here.
We
are
this
public
committee
saying
for
affordable
housing
and
we're
saying
we
need
an
advocate
that
we
can
go
to
to
help
us
with
all
the
things
we're
identifying
to
help
make
this
happen,
because
we
can
only
do
so
much
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
yeah.
B
It's
almost
like
we're
we're
the
ones
pleading
for
the
help,
as
you
know,
as
voices
of
the
public
so
yeah.
I
really
appreciate
you
listening
to
this
and
you
know
taking
this
into
consideration
and
again
I
really
you
know,
do
appreciate
you
know
as
you're
going
through
this
interview
process.
You
know
that
you're,
including
your
staff
and
you're,
willing
to
include
member
of
this
committee.
B
So
thank
thank
you
and
I
think
we'll
continue
this
discussion
and
maybe
maybe
what
we'll
do
for
the
next
agenda
is
kind
of
compile
like
some
of
these
other
job
descriptions
and
see.
What's
successful,
yeah
ann
arbor,
one,
I
thought
was
just
really
unique.
The
way
they
really
they
really
the
department,
they
call
the
housing
commission
and
it
really
is
broken
down
in,
like
a
director,
a
real
estate
manager,
a
construction
manager,
finance
manager,
administrative
assistants,
analysts.
B
B
B
B
All
right
all
right.
Well,
thanks
welcome
back
for
those
who
weren't
with
us,
we're
gonna
kind
of
so
we
just
kind
of
wrapped
up
this
discussion.
We
were
having
about
affordable
housing
director
and
about
hiring
for
paul
d'angelo's
former
role.
B
Next
up
I
put
put
on
the
agenda
and
like
to
just
kind
of
have
a
little
discussion.
It
was
brought
up
in
the
last
hcd
meeting
the
I
the
idea
of
best.
I
took
it
like
kind
of
a
moratorium
on
funding
for
affordable
housing
projects
until
there's
time
to
kind
of
better
study
and
focus
for
kind
of
you
know
the
fine-tuning
equity
lens,
which
is
you
know
so
important,
but
you
know
it's.
I
guess
it's
a
way.
B
Does
one
have
to
stop
while
the
other
one
is
in
process,
or
can
they
work
parallel?
So
you
know
I
was
brought
up
at
last
atd
meeting.
You
know
wouldn't
mind.
You
know
council
councilman
mosley.
If
you
can
kind
of
just
share
your
thoughts
on
it,
so
we
just
have
a
little
background
where,
where
the
thoughts
come
from,
so
we
know
if
it's
something
that's
really
being
brought
up
or
this
is
just
kind
of
like
you
know,
it's
just
something
floated
you
know
well.
J
Thank
you
thanks
for
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
say
I
want
to
use
the
language
that
nikki
used
moments
ago.
The
term
moratorium
might
be
a
little
too
deep
for
some
folks.
It's
really
an
opportunity
to
take
a
beat
and
see
if
we
can
align
what
we
say.
Our
values
are
with
our
actual
output.
J
By
way
of
background,
I
believe
you'll
recall
that
a
couple
of
hcg
meetings
ago,
I
requested
demographic
information,
ideally
coming
from
the
census.
J
But,
generally
speaking
and
based
on
other
studies
and
census
studies,
state
of
black
asheville,
it
seems
that
african
americans,
in
particular,
tend
to
fall
below
or
well
below
the
50
area,
median
income,
and
so
with
our
20
80
20
policy.
J
We
are
in
effect
leaving
out
a
majority
of
african
americans.
I
specifically
requested
that
we
exclude
any
incentives
that
we
provided
to
the
housing
authority
and
in
our
last
meeting
again
we
were
unable
to
get
the
data,
but
I
requested
over
the
past
five
years
when
we
incentivized
and
the
number
of
african-american
developers
was
zero
and
it
seems-
and
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
been
in
that
case
even
going
back
to
the
last
10
years.
J
I
also
wanted
information
regarding
not
just
who's
developing
but
who
is
actually
living
in
the
places
that
we
build
and
every
before
every
development
vote
that
comes
before
us,
or
at
least
you
know
before
the
council.
I
usually
hear
from
a
representative
of
a
developer
and
then
we'll
have
a
conversation,
and
I
can't
think
of
a
single
one
where
a
developer
hasn't
expressed
consternation
just
with
the
city's
policies.
J
J
I
feel
like
we
discussed
those
every
meeting,
so
my
thought
was
what
would
happen
if
we
actually
took
a
beat
see
if
we
could
merge
our
equity
interests
with
the
interest
of
the
developers,
perhaps
working
in
conjunction
with
the
chamber
to
see
if
our
interests
can
meld
and
we
could
come
up
with
a
policy
that
is
both
both
equitable
in
its
approach
and,
quite
frankly,
beneficial
to
developers
who
are
in
the
business
of
development.
J
So
that
was
the
proposal
it,
because
if
we
continue
to
do
the
way
we're
doing
it,
it
leaves
us
open
to
political
influence
right
which
you
know
could
be
the
whim
of
the
day
and
an
undue
burden
on
staffing.
So
that
was
the
reason
for
taking
a
pause
and
working
with
the
parties
who
have
an
interest
to
develop
something
that
is
mutually
satisfactory.
B
E
Can
you
tell
me,
you
mentioned
the
chamber
what
I
don't,
what
role
would
the
chambers
be.
J
There's
a
business
interest,
quite
frankly,
that's
in
play
too.
So,
usually
what
I
hear
from
developers
is
if
they
could
afford
to
do
x,
number
of
affordable
units
they
would,
and
so
I
was
trying
to
come
up
with
you
know,
an
idea
where
what,
if
the
required
number
of
affordable
units
were
decreased
in
exchange
for
what
I
had
proposed
for
319
was
an
actual
home
ownership
component.
J
For
example,
I
was
speaking
with
a
developer
and
at
the
what
20
that
are
80
or
below
what
if
we
reduce
that
20
by
you
know,
I
don't
know
what
number
and
there
could
be
a
home
ownership
component,
say
for
folks
affected
by
urban
renewal,
where
those
folks
could
buy
homes,
condos
single
you
know,
and
as
a
result
of
doing
that,
the
actual
number
of
other
affordable
apartments
could
be
decreased
and
then
the
the
economic
incentive
switches
right.
J
But
the
affordability
number
is
actually
decreased
as
a
technical
matter,
just
trying
to
think
of
ways
that
we
do
that,
because
the
more
we
continue
with
the
current
policy.
We
are
creating
a
further
gap,
so
I'm
thinking
of
equity
within
equity,
because
normally
when
we
get
the
sheets,
when
council
gets
the
sheets
telling
us
what
strategic
goal.
J
So
I
threw
out
the
chamber
of
commerce
because
it
is
in
fact
a
business
interest
from
the
perspective
of
a
developer.
B
So
the
idea
is
that
our
I
mean
I
guess,
like
the
question
that
we're
having
to
ask
is
like
a
committee.
First
of
all,
like
the
the
the
question
about
the
reducing
incentives,
that's
you
know
what
we,
what
we've
now
started,
we've
been
talking.
You
know
it's
been,
we've
been
discussing
that
as
a
committee
for
how
to
recommend
that.
But
you
know,
as
we
know,
change
happens,
slow
and
you
know
we've
effectively
watched
some
of
you
know.
Things
like
down.
B
B
Is
that
like
these-
and
I
mean
we've-
we've
adjusted
the
you
know,
even
those
those
numbers
that
you
know
our
housing
trust
fund
policies
many
times
over
the
years,
but
you
know
it's
personally
scares
me
the
talk
of
like
stalling
something
to
try
to
not
I
mean
I
understand,
fixing
it
but
to
stall
what's
in
process
and
what's
working
for
you
know
for
at
least
getting
units
on
the
ground.
It
personally
scares
me.
You
know
it's
like
I
understand
yeah.
B
I
think
our
policies
need
to
be
changed
and
you
know
we,
as
a
committee
are
discussing
that
it's
always
brought
at
hcd,
but
you
know
having
to
pause
something
that
at
least
is
producing
some
units.
J
Well,
I
totally
understand
why
that
would
be
scary,
because
change
is
scary
and
I
totally
understand
the
point
of
view,
but
again
for
those
who
aren't
benefiting
from
what
we're
producing
anyway,
a
pause
is
tantamount
to
what
is
already
occurring.
So
if
you're
not
getting
housed,
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
stalled,
because
you
aren't
going
to
get
housed
anyway
right
and
then
with
any
policy.
You
know
we
could
make
the
exception.
J
I
mean
we
could
an
example,
because
again
when
I
brought
up
a
suggestion
for
319-
and
I
always
when,
given
the
opportunity,
really
thank
the
vice
mayor
and
her
her
support,
perhaps
we're
in
a
in
a
position
where
we
could
make
sure
the
terms
of
the
finalized
agreement
have
infused
more
equitable
outcomes
than
would
have
originally
been
even
considered
again.
When
I
joined
council
immediately,
I
started
in
the
you
know,
discussions
with
developers
just
asking
so
tell
me
what
your
plan
is
for
equity
and
early
on.
J
You
know
there
will
be
a
pause
and
for
some
it
would
be
like
deer
and
headlights
and
not
because
they
didn't
want
to
achieve
it's
just
that
no
one
literally,
no
one
had
ever
asked
them
to
consider
it
and
the
way
that
I
was
asking
and
now
I'm
finding
that
more
and
more
developers
really
want
to
do
that.
So
sometimes
you
don't
know
that
there's
an
issue
until
someone
brings
it
to
your
attention
and
so
by
bringing
up
the
notion
of
taking
a
beat.
J
I
want
to
bring
it
to
the
folks
attention
because
we're
even
having
these
problems.
Quite
frankly,
when
we're
dealing
with
those
who
are
unhoused
so
in
every
aspect,
people
of
color
are
still
falling
behind,
even
when
it
comes
to
the
unhoused.
What
do
I
mean
by
that
before
kathy
ball?
Left
I
asked
her.
Can
you
tell
me
the
total
percentage
of
black
people
who
are
unhoused?
J
Her
response
was
about
30
percent
of
the
unhoused
in
asheville
are
of
color
around
24
are
african-american,
I
believe
you
know
somewhere
around
those
numbers.
So
then,
speaking
of
like
the
ramada
in,
I
asked
how
many
have
been
served
there.
I
believe
the
number
was
something
like
a
total
of
120.
J
Then,
when
I
asked
of
those
120
how
many
have
been
african-americans
throughout
the
whole
process,
I
believe
the
number
came
back
around
11.,
so
even
when
we're
deal
there's
something
about
our
systems
that
is
disadvantageous
to
people
of
color,
and
I
look
back
and
I
go
what's
that
about,
because
black
people
are
developing
all
over
the
united
states
just
not
in
asheville,
and
I
want
to
be
clear
because
the
question
was
posed
is
the
goal
just
to
get
a
black
developer.
J
J
J
J
B
J
Housing,
let
me
one
second,
I
don't
mean
that
equity
is
not
a
part
of
discussion.
What
I'm
saying
is
the
data
doesn't
show
that
we're
doing
that.
It
is
effectively
being
done
that
that's
my
point,
so
things
happen
incrementally
so
I'm
so
proud
of
our
city,
because
we're
one
of
the
few
places
before
equity
talk
was
cool.
Where
we
were
talking
about
it
now,
I
want
to
see
what
the
data
say.
J
So
I
feel
like
any
time
we
talk
about
equity
specifically
to
black
people.
We
go
okay,
we're
going
to
throw
in
a
voucher
right,
but
I
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
for
developments
that
aren't
hacka
adjacent
black
folks
aren't
the
ones
really
moving
in
right.
J
B
Yeah-
and
I
totally
I
and
I
agree,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
get
that
data
together,
I
guess
I
l,
you
know
that,
and
I
think
that
data
you
know
knowing
the
pace
of
how
this
stuff
happens
and
why
you
know
watching
you
know
the
equity
office
that
was
created
years
ago
and
how
it
you
know,
disappeared
from
it.
You
know
from
whether
it's
not
support
or
it's
difficult
mission.
You
know
and
now
we're
having
to
put
it
back
together,
but
I
think
gathering
that
data
is
important.
B
I
you
know
I
mean
from
project
and
it
would
be,
and
knowing
also
that
the
city
is
not
that
great
at
getting
this
data,
I
mean
I
there's
so
many
different
projects
that
have
been
built,
that
it's
not
it's
not.
First
of
all,
it's
not
an
easy
thing
to
ask
for
getting
that
data.
It's
I
mean
that
isn't
uncomfortable,
it's
legally
questionable,
I
think
some
of
it,
but
I
think
the
bigger
question
is
we
understand
that
we
respect
the
need
for
that.
We
policies
that
we
should
be
reviewed.
B
B
B
Yeah,
I
guess
that's
that's
I
guess
so
we
can
have
a
further
discussion.
I
guess
that's.
What
we're
kind
of
looking
is
like
what
exactly
are
is
being
asked
for.
So
we
know
what
the
that's,
because
we
don't
know
what
the
topic
is
like.
That
is
this
pause.
This
is
like
two
months
pause.
Three
months
pause.
J
That
hasn't
been
fleshed
out,
which
was
why
I
was
a
little
surprised
to
see
this
on
the
discussion,
because
it
was
going
to
go
to
hcg
first
to
figure
out
what
we
wanted
to
do
so
we're
going
to
have
a
conversation
about
it
with
members
of
council
to
see
what
it
might
possibly
look
like.
So
there
is
no
plan.
There
is
no
suggestion.
B
So
this
is
a
go
ahead.
E
J
Discussions,
you
would
more
than
have
a
say
in
it,
it
would
be.
Who
are
the
parties
that
are
going
to
be?
Who
are
the
stakeholders,
and
I
gotta
believe
that
this
committee
would
be
one
of
the
stakeholders
to
meet
and
get
together.
So
this
is
the
preliminary
before
the
preliminary
is
what
the
discussion
was
so
hcd
hasn't
even
gotten
in
to
discuss
who
the
stakeholders
are,
how
this
might
look?
How
do
we
get
people
together?
How
do
we,
you
know
converge?
J
B
Yeah
well
this,
I
guess
this
is
our
yeah.
I
guess
this
is
our
like
from
seeing
how
it
happened
in
hdd
and
talked
about
not
coming
here.
This
is
kind
of
our
committee
saying
we
are
the
affordable
housing
advisory
advisory
committee.
We're
going
to
put
our
foot
in
the
door
to
make
sure
this
stuff
should
should
flow
through
us.
First,
I
think
I
mean
that's
how
some
of
this
process
should
be
and
and
then
you
know
it's
again
kind
of
watching
some
of
the
stuff.
B
That's
we've
done
the
work
on
moved
through
and
then
kind
of
has
gotten
installed,
because
it's
become
somewhat
political.
Like
you
know,
you
know
again
it's
the
same
thing
watching
the
first
races
from
319
and
and
that
they've
lost
some
of
their
transparency
and
the
down
payment.
Assistance
has
lost
them
as
transparency
and
we're
the
public
body
we're
the
voice
of
the
public
and
that
we
don't
have
the
same.
We
can
speak
without
the
same
repercussions,
but
yeah
we're
kind
of
putting
our
foot
in
the
door.
B
For
this
saying
look,
this
is
a
discussion
that
comes
that
really
should
come
through
us
and
flesh
out
some
of
these
topics
before
it
gets
done
behind
closed
doors.
You
know.
J
It
was,
it
was
literally
stream
live,
so
it
was
not
done,
but
behind
yeah
those
doors
and
it
I'm
not
heard
a
plan.
So
maybe
now.
This
is
an
opportunity
for
the
board
to
come
up
with
a
plan
of
course
had
that
suggestion
come
through
y'all
to
us.
But
surely
you've
got
to
believe
that
the
the
city,
the
residents
at
large,
want
us
to
do
equitable,
affordable
housing.
G
Yeah
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
you
know
the
the
conversation
that
we
we
skipped
over
on
the
agenda
about
projects
coming
to
ahag
before
they
go
to
hcd
and
and
go
back
to
probably
two
years
ago,
some
conversations
that
ahack
had
about
adopting
an
equitable
development
scorecard
or
having
some
sort
of
process.
G
Where
you
know,
affordable
housing
developments
would
be
vetted
around
their
community
benefits
and
their
commitment
to
equity
and
who
they
were
going
to
serve,
and
it
was
about
that
point
where
specific
development
projects
stopped
coming
to
ahac
in
advance
of
hcd,
and
you
know
our
role
got
sort
of
put
into
this
kind
of
policy
review
box,
which
has
you
know,
I
think,
puts
a
lot
more.
It's
a
lot
more.
G
It's
a
lot
easier
place
for
the
the
folks
with
technical
expertise
on
this
committee,
myself
included
to
engage
in
a
productive
conversation,
and
I
think
you
can
look
at
the
members
of
the
community
who
are
not
on
here
today
and
who
have
lower
attendance
in
the
committee
in
general.
I
don't
feel
like
we're
giving
you
know
folks
on
on
this
committee.
G
A
platform
to
you
know
to
talk
about
some
of
the
questions
that
that
you
know
really
engage
their
expertise
because
we're
not
having
the
conversations
about
community
benefits
and
equity
in
housing,
because
we're
not
looking
at
projects
before
you
know
that
are
in
consideration
for
development.
G
So
I
as
we're
having
this
conversation,
I'd
like
to
see,
if
we
can,
you
know,
always
like
to
kill
two
birds
with
one
stone
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
figure
out
how
we
revisit
the
role
that
this
committee
has
in
in
vetting,
specific
projects
and
making
recommendations
and
being
very
to
your
point,
the
community
input
body
that
weighs
in
on
affordable
housing
in
advance
of
things
moving
to
to
a
council
committee.
So
you
know,
let's
just
see
if
we
can
link
those
two
things
since
that
you
know
the
other.
G
J
J
J
Some
sometimes
a
perspective
of
a
life-lived
perspective
won't
come
from
someone
who
had
not
lived
that
experience.
So
I
also
hear
things
through
the
housing
authority
and,
frankly
through
friends
in
the
community,
and
then
I
go.
Let
me
see
what
the
data
show
and
by
virtue
of
not
getting
that
data
the
platform
for
hcd
was
the
place
to
say
it,
and
now
I'm
glad
I'm
going
to
have
a
conversation
about
it
and
then
see
how
to
move
forward.
I
believe
that
have
the
notion
came
from
someone
on
this
committee.
J
It
would
have
come
forward,
but
it
didn't
that's,
not
an
inclusion
of
ahab.
Because
again
you
know
we
have
people.
I
suspect
some
of
the
very
people
who
would
have
brought
it
up,
for
whatever
other
reasons,
sometimes
aren't
able
to
attend
these
meetings,
which
is
probably
another
systematic
thing
right.
So
it's
a
vicious
circle.
So
if
I'm
in
a
position
to
be
representative
of
I'm
going
to
take
the
opportunity
and
take
advantage
of
the
bullying.
B
Yeah
andy,
it's
a
good
good
point
and
I
think
well
that
that
what
you
said
about
that
the
almost
the
vetting
of
projects
or
things
like,
because
we
have
some
of
those
projects
we
we
were.
We
looked
at
for
allocations
like
we
question
like
unit
mix,
to
make
sure
that
they're
going
to
families.
You
know
we
we
are
able
to
take
deeper
dives
into
the
questions
and
things
like-
and
you
know,
the
equity
scorecard
was
something
brought
up
years
ago
and
it's
almost
like.
B
We
have
an
opportunity
to
take
a
deeper
dive
into
those
applications
before
they
go
on
to
hd
or
and
have
like
a
you
know,
a
scorecard
process.
You
know
we.
I
think
that
you
know.
I
think
that
example,
this
last
project
that
came
through
us
was
a
we.
You
know
we
helped.
We
helped
make
that
a
better
application
because
it
came
to
us
with
all
studio
units
we
questioned
it.
They
changed
it
to.
You
know,
make
some
one-bedroom
units
in
it
and
we
we
know
that
we
know
the
need.
B
It's
been
shared
with
us
that
there's
a
need
for
family
units
for
affordable
housing.
So
you
know
we're
able
to
help
with
that
where
it
might
have
got
glossed
over.
You
know
on
a
further
up,
so
you
know,
I
think,
there's
definitely
a
vetting
that
we
can
assist
with
and
again
yeah
we're
just
gonna
continue
to
make
sure
we
have
a
you
know
public
voice
and
it's
a
committee.
You
know
that
the
input
is
heard
so
well.
I
think
we're
over
time.
Anyone
else
want
to
add
into
this.
A
Hey
this
is
christina
harris,
I'm
checking
the
public
comment
now
and
we
do
not
have
any
public
comments
nor
anyone
in
the
speaker
queue.
B
Yeah,
you
know
one
thing
I
think
you
know
as
we
look
at
what
it
is
we
do.
You
know
in
I'm
just
thinking
in
line
with
kind
of
asking
for
us
to
review
some
of
these
applications.
You
know,
maybe
we
could
look
at
what
others
are
doing
in
this
equity.
You
know
an
equity
score
card
to
make
sure
that,
as
we're
asking
to
look
at
projects,
what
are
the,
what
are
the
other
things
we
should
be
asking
beyond
just
the
unit
mix.
B
You
know,
I
think
that
this
conversation
did
start
years
ago
and
it
is
so
important,
but
you
know,
I
think,
really
the
you
know
our
our
point
is
how
how
do
we,
you
know,
work
this
into
a
review
pro
review
cycle
of
process
rather
than
pause?
What's
you
know
that
what's
happening
because
there
already
are
natural,
there's
enough
natural,
pauses
or
political
pauses
to
things
that
are
in
process
that
that
less
is
happening
than
should
be,
and
it
you
know
is
concerning
to
think
that
something
can
come
up
to
make
even
less
happen.
B
Great.
Anyone
else
want
to
add
anything
in
on
this,
or
should
we
close
out.
E
B
Well,
thank
you
all.
You
know,
and
I
appreciate
you
know
some
of
the
you
know
the
some
of
the
conversations
can
get
difficult
as
we
get
to
you
know
as
we.
We
challenge
some
of
our
ways
of
thinking,
but
you
know
it's
important,
that's
how
we
that's
how
we
grow
and
it's
that's
how
we
grow,
but
you
know
as
us
as
an
advocacy
committee,
for
you
know,
keeping
the
affordable
housing
process
and
policies
in
motion.
B
You
know
where
we're
all
we're
trying
everyone's
trying
so
hard.
You
know
it's
a
hard.
This
is
hard.
This
is
really
hard
stuff
and
you
know,
and
everyone
there's
a
lot
of
people
put
a
lot
of
work
into
this,
and
I
think
you
know
that
you
know
I
think,
that's
where
you
know.
Maybe
I
was
triggered
by
this
moratorium
or
pause
idea,
because
I
know
that's
what
that's
what's
scared
away
like
you
know,
that's
why
staff
has
left.
You
know
we
can't
just
blame
this.
All
on.
You
know
the
salaries
or
stuff.
B
This
is
also
there's
been
a
lot
of
staff
frustration
because
they're
not
allowed
to
do
their
jobs
and-
and
we
have
to
be
an
advocate-
to
support
people
to
allow
them
to
do
their
jobs,
because
this
is
hard
work
and
people
are
put
a
lot
of
their
heart
and
time
into
this,
and-
and
we
can
be
a
voice
for
that.
So.
B
Yep
all
right
well,
thank
you
all,
since
we
have
no
public
comments,
we'll
close
that
section
out
and
we
are
wrapped.
Thank
you
all.
I
appreciate
it
appreciate
everyone
spending
the
extra
time
with
us.
Okay
have
a
great
day
thanks.