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A
Thank
you.
It's
4
p.m.
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order
good
afternoon,
I'm
chair,
darren
green,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
march
11
2021
asheville
area,
riverfront
redevelopment
commission
meeting.
I'd
also
like
to
welcome
new
commissioner
ben
williamson
to
the
meeting
ben.
Would
you
like
to
introduce
yourself.
C
Sure,
thank
you
darren
and
hello.
Everybody.
My
name
is
ben
williams,
as
darren
mentioned,
really
just
grateful
and
honored
for
the
opportunity
to
join
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
thank
you
for
the
for
the
amazing
work
that
that
you've
done
and
continue
to
do,
I'm
a
career
educator
been
in
asheville
about
20
years.
C
In
my
current
role,
I
am
the
interim
executive
director
at
green
opportunities
here
in
southside
and
previously
been
a
small
business
owner
in
river
arts
for
about
five
and
a
half
years
and
yeah
just
just
excited
to
contribute
in
any
way
that
that
we
can
to
everything
that
the
group's
doing,
thanks
again
for
the
opportunity,
welcome.
D
A
Thanks
ben
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
remind
everybody
and
our
viewers,
the
purpose
of
the
aarrc
is
to
recommend
to
the
city
and
county
an
overall
policy
for
the
continued
development
and
sustainability
of
the
regional
riverfront.
A
The
commission
provides
recommendations
to
the
city
and
the
county
for
effective
management
of
the
public
resources
for
the
districts
and
actively
pursue
and
assist
private
sector
investments
in
the
districts.
The
commission
is
made
up
of
14
members
representing
the
city
of
asheville,
the
council
of
independent
business
owners,
riverlink
asheville
city
council.
The
count
excuse
me:
riverlink
asheville
city,
council,
buncombe,
county
commission
and
the
town
of
woodfin.
A
Our
committees
consist
of
networking
and
river
economy,
all
commission
members
and
staff
are
participating
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
pursuant
to
north
carolina
general
statute,
166
a
19.24
f.
This
will
be
a
remote
meeting
which
the
public
can
access
by
any
of
the
following
means.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
A
855-925-2801
for
callers
to
call
in
and
listen
send
comments
by
email
to
riverfront,
commission
march
11
public
input,
dot
com
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
the
commission
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
after
you
are
done
speaking
commission
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello.
A
A
A
H
I
A
A
A
Great,
thank
you
all
right.
We're
going
to
move
on
to
some
administrative
items.
Steph
I'll
ask
is:
was
there
any
public
comment
received.
A
Thank
you.
Did
everyone
have
a
chance
to
review
the
minutes
from
our
january
meeting.
J
D
I
F
A
Christy
quinn
wasn't
able
to
join
buck
bragg,
yes,
councilwoman
turner.
G
J
D
I
A
Hi
all
right,
the
minutes
are
approved
now,
we've
added
a
another
point
here
and
I'm
gonna
open
it
up
for
any
commissioner
comments.
If
there's
any
commissioners
that
would
like
to
make
any
comments.
J
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
the
discussion
we're
heading
to
from
hearing
before
the
meeting
is
not
not
feeling
like
the
recommendations
that
some
of
the
boards
make
to
the
city
are
heard.
That
then,
when,
when
the
staff
delivers
information
to
council,
I'm
not
sure
for
myself.
If
the.
J
Thoughts
and
ideas
of
the
commissions
go
along
with
that.
I'm
not
sure
if
maybe
there's
the
minutes
are
sent
along,
but
I
do
feel
like
there's
some
salient
points
that
don't
get
passed
along
and
I
have
heard
small
rumblings.
J
You
know
I'm
out
in
public
in
a
bar
and
I
hear
from
people,
so
I
did
hear
from
a
couple
of
people
who
are
on
task
force
or
committees
that
feel
like
their
attendance.
Is
there
just
to
say
that
they
had
community
input?
It's
so
that
doesn't
feel
like
a
good
thing
to
hear
from
the
community,
but
I
have
a
feeling
it's
out
there.
So
that's
my
comment.
A
A
I'll
ask
you
first
tim
had
a
comment:
he
wasn't
sure
how
you're
receiving
information,
maybe
you
can
provide
how
you're
receiving
in
his
step.
If
you
want
to
add
to
that,
that
would
be
helpful.
G
J
J
I
was
on
I'm
on
the
open
space
task
force
and
I'm
not
sure
you
know
I
I
just
don't
know
whether
the
input
we
give
is
actually
being
taken.
So
it's
you
know-
and
I
know
also
probably
is
bubbling
up
a
little
bit
because
of
the
the
idea
of
the
design
review
and
how
that
was
put
out
by
council
and
that
you
know
being
told
okay
you're
doing
this
for
the
community,
but
you
better
do
a
little
more.
That's
what
it
sounds
like.
So
there's
a
bit
of
yeah.
G
Okay,
I'll
try
and
answer
as
your
new
council
liaison,
but
really
having
only
had
one
meeting.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
these
are
legacy
issues
the
hotel
moratorium
was
sent
to
us
with
an
elaborate
set
of
documents.
Every
committee
commission
group,
neighborhood
survey,
was
attached.
G
I
thought
staff
did
a
wonderful
job
because
it
was
an
enormous
process.
So
I
would
say
yes
that
input
is
sent
to
council.
I
would
say
that
the
entire
process
has
a
lot
of
input
from
a
lot
of
different
components
and
pieces
and
members
of
the
community.
So
I
could
see
why
some
folks
would
always
feel
that
they
are
not
heard
if
their
issues
are
not
carried
forward
in
the
ordinance.
G
What
I
can
tell
you,
as
a
liaison
as
your
new
liaison,
is
that
I
have
been
a
chair
and
on
a
lot
of
city
boards
for
a
long
time,
so
I
have
been
in
your
seat
and
I
have,
in
my
own
personal
experience,
been
frustrated
when
a
liaison
does
not
attend
meetings
or
when
a
liaison
does
not
convey
the
message
that
comes
from
those
commissions
and
that's
not
how
I
operate.
G
I
think
the
staff
reports
that
come
from
projects
can
be
very
detailed
and
helpful.
I
know
that
I
review
them.
We
haven't
reviewed
one.
That's
come
from
the
riverfront
board
for
me
to
really
extrapolate
how
that's
gone
so
far,
but
I
think
general
recommendations
outside
those
two
formal
processes
like
a
review
of
an
ordinance
or
a
review
of
a
project
or
a
different
entity
in
itself
like
we
may
brainstorm
that
we
really
really
want
updated
guidelines.
G
Well,
that's
not
part
of
any
of
those
processes,
so
I
would
advocate
for
the
group
if
that
was
say
their
number
one
priority
again
this
year
every
year.
So
I
think
you
know
in
that
regard
I
would
probably
email
all
of
council
the
recommendation
of
this
committee
and
the
documents,
and
why
or
you
know
why
I
would
support
it
as
well.
Does
that
help
answer
any
of
your
questions
at
all,
or
can
I
delve
into
anything
else
that
would
help.
J
I
think
it
might
maybe
more
for
I'd
like
to
hear
from
staff
how
they
feel
about
it.
That's
really
what
I.
B
B
I
really
want
to
hear
from
you
where
these
misses
are
happening,
because,
instead
of
giving
you
the
litany
of
how
it
happens,
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
from
you
clearly
is
it's
not
working
as
well
as
it
should
be.
You
don't
feel
appreciated
and
it's
not
transparent
enough.
I
mean.
Are
those
three
things
people
can
people
agree.
That
is
that
what
you're
saying
to
some
extent
at
least
tim.
B
C
B
I
don't
think
you're
the
only
person-
and
you
know
our
community
at
large-
would
appreciate
us
continuing
to
improve
the
way
that
we
provide
information
to
people
in
the
way
that
we
take
community
input,
especially
from
our
advisory
boards.
We
have
40
of
them
and
and
make
sure
that
they
get
get
heard.
B
B
Earlier
today,
with
ben
and
sage
darren-
and
I
we
did
have
a
conversation
about
some
of
these
things,
so
my
brain
is
turning
already,
and
I
would
I
I
think
it's
important
and
know
that
I
can't
identify
all
of
things
and
solve
all
of
the
things
today.
If
that
also
makes
sense.
G
J
J
A
K
Thank
you,
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
brief
statement.
So
one
thing
tim,
I
don't
know
if
this
helps
at
all,
but
one
thing
that
I've
observed
and
not
just
with
your
commissions,
but
all
a
lot
of
boards
and
commissions
or
other
stakeholder
groups
that
offer
feedback
is
that
you
know
that
information
gets
delivered
and
received
and
as
councilwoman
turner
has
indicated,
council
gets
a
lot
of
information.
K
They
get
a
lot
of
this
feedback
from
all
of
these
different
groups
and
they
have
to
weigh
everything
in
balance,
and
I
think
what
I've
just
started
to
kind
of
realize
is
really
missing.
Is
communicating
back
to
those
different
stakeholder
groups
why
a
decision
was
made
and
what
was
the
reasoning
behind
it?
So
maybe
that's
something
we
can
also
look
at.
G
A
E
I
guess
this
would
be
for
stephanie.
I
just
remember
one
of
the
comments
that
was
made.
B
We
provide
the
pros
and
cons
of
different
policy
decisions,
so
I
can't
represent,
because
I
wasn't
in
the
conversations
with
council
exactly
how
much
it
was
discussed
and
how
much
emphasis
was
put
on
that
one
item.
I
can
say
that
it
was
discussed
at
length
on
a
staff
level
and
including
what
what
we
always
do
and
what
sage
alluded
to
as
far
as
circling
back
making
sure
that,
if
things
start
to
go
awry,
we
have
to
adjust
tweak
and
change.
B
D
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
comment.
You
know
the
thing
that
was
disconcerting
for
me
was
to
have
the
new
design
review
proposals
come
from
staff
that
didn't
get
modified
with
any
of
our
suggestions.
I
mean
it
was
like
we
got
ignored
totally,
and
maybe
it
goes
back
to
what
you
were
saying
shannon.
You
have
to
tell
us
why
and
that
maybe
helps
explain
why
staff
is
pushing
so
hard
for
a
direction
that
was
so
opposite
from
what
we
had
given
back
to
staff,
but
it
left
us
in
a
lurch.
D
I
mean
it
really
just
just
just
took
apart
the
whole
commission's
purpose
of
having
a
design
review
committee
and
was
putting
it
dispersing
it
among
downtown
and
and
and
like
stat
and
like
was
said
by
debbie.
D
You
know,
the
amount
of
work
is
tremendous
that
we're
being
asked
now
to
do
you
know,
and
that's
not
what
we
signed
up
for,
but
you
know,
city
is
asking
us
to
take
on
this
new
role
and
we
had
already
successfully
done
hotel
reviews
within
our
district,
so
it
wasn't
like
we
were
inexperienced
with
dealing
with
our
own
district
and
its.
You
know
requirements.
So
that
no
consideration
was
given
to
that
or
nothing
expressed
that
I
heard.
L
Yeah
hi
hi
thanks
everyone,
todd
o'clochenny
planning,
an
urban
design.
Director
really
appreciate
this
discussion
and
some
future
conversations
that
we
could
have
with
with
this
commission
about
trying
to
improve
our
processes
for
how
we
communicate.
You
know,
as
kind
of
a
liaison
or
a
mediator,
between
this
commission
and
and
city
council.
L
I
think
you
know
just
pertaining
specifically
to
the
design
review
recommendations
of
the
commission.
Certainly
you
know
at
city
council
meetings
and
in
city
council
check-ins.
We
did
have
an
opportunity
to
to
share
the
specific
recommendations
you
know
of
this
commission
and
obviously
council
members
had
to
weigh
the
pros
and
cons
of
recommendations
by
the
riverfront
commission
with
with
other
commissions
and
other
stakeholders
in
the
community.
L
I
I
can
say
definitely
that
we
did
try
to
look
at
the
intent
of
some
of
the
recommendations
by
the
riverfront
commission
for
the
design
review
process
and
we
were
able
to
incorporate
some
of
some
of
your
ideas.
So
I
I
do
respectfully
disagree
with
what
some
of
jane
said
that
we
didn't
incorporate
any
changes
into
this
process.
L
Number
one
staff
will
be
presenting
to
the
riverfront
and
downtown
commissions
prior
to
the
joint
design
review
committee
in
order
to
prior
to
their
meetings
in
order
to
solicit
y'all's
input
and
provide
that
input
in
a
in
some
kind
of
written
staff
report
format
for
consideration
by
the
design
review
committee
and
number
two.
L
You
know
this
commission
will
have
four
members
that
will
be
designated
from
this
commission
and
from
the
downtown
commission
to
the
new
joint
design
review
body.
L
G
I
do
I
just
want
to
turn
in
a
little
bit
to
say
some
of
what
todd
said
that
process-wise,
the
two
boards
downtown
and
riverfront
will
actually
review
projects
before
the
design
board.
I
mean,
I
hope,
that
the
way
that
I
advocated
for
y'all
has
not
created
a
greater
problem.
G
I
heard
from
both
the
downtown
commission
in
riverfront
that
you're
not
ready
to
let
go
of
the
design
review
process.
We
have
a
lot
of
good
reasons
for
it
and
I
actually
agreed,
but
what
I
was
able
to
encourage
and
get
other
folks
to
support
was
that
at
least
those
members
would
be
on
these
commissions
and
honestly,
I'm
not
I'm
certain
that
that
will
work
out
very
well,
because
I
feel
like
this
commission
needs
a
diverse
representation
and
forcing
four
of
the
five
seats
to
be
professional
designers
may
be
problematic.
G
So
there's
that
concern,
but
that
was,
I
think,
in
an
effort
to
do
what
we're
trying
to
do
here,
which
is
keep
you
very
involved,
and
I
hope
that
that
is
a
helpful
thing,
and
if
we
need
to
discuss
that,
it's
not
working
or
not
a
good
solution.
Let
me
know,
but
that
was
the
best
way
I
could
fight
for
both
to
be
a
remain
part
of
it.
A
I
K
Well,
let
me
let
me
go
ahead
and
start
my
screen.
So
one
thing
I
want
to
just
remind
everybody
when
I
share
my
screen
as
I'm
going
through
these
slides.
I
can't
see
your
faces,
so
if
you
really
want
to,
if
you
have
a
burning
question
or
if
you
could
just
sort
of
audibly,
speak
up
and
stop
me
or
interrupt
me,
because
otherwise
I'll
just
keep
rambling.
K
Okay,
great,
oh
sorry,
there
we
go
start
at
the
beginning
well,
good
afternoon.
Everybody
thank
you
for
giving
me
some
time
on
your
agenda
this
afternoon.
I
think
this
is
a
really
valuable
conversation
and
I
look
forward
to
exploring
issues
related
to
design
review
further
with
you
and
others.
K
K
So
my
group
will
be
responsible
for
managing
this
new
process
and
for
liaisoning
with
the
new
design
review
committee.
So
I
volunteered
to
give
this
brief
presentation.
It's
not
very
long.
It's
just
maybe
five
seven
minutes
a
handful
of
slides.
K
I
had
expected
that
most
of
our
time
today
could
be
spent
just
in
an
open
discussion
and
just
answering
basic
questions
that
you
may
have
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
So
I'd
like
to
begin
by
just
first
reviewing
some
of
the
design
review
related
goals.
K
They
come
both
from
the
living
national
comprehensive
plan,
as
well
as
probably
likely
other
city
adopted
plans
and
strategic
goals,
but
there
was
also
an
urban
land
institute
report
that
was
commissioned
by
the
city
council
a
little
over
two
years
ago
and
both
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
uli
report
both
very
directly
speak
to
design
review
and,
very
plainly,
the
main
design
review
goals
include
improving
design
in
the
built
environment.
It's
kind
of
very
straightforward,
prioritizing
updates
to
our
current
design
guidelines.
K
I
think
we
all
very
much
support
that
goal
and
to
strengthen
formalize
and
streamline
the
design
review
process.
So
as
we
embarked
on
the
hotel
initiative-
and
we
knew
that
one
of
the
directives
that
we
were
asked
to
very
specifically
explore
was
you
know,
developing
a
design
review
process
for
hotels.
It
kind
of
opened
up
the
door
for
us
to
see
that
there
was
an
opportunity
to
potentially
move
closer
to
some
of
these
other
design
review
related
goals
that
had
been
handed
down
to
us
that
hotel
amendment.
K
Of
course,
I
think
all
of
you
or
most
of
you
know,
was
adopted
february
23rd
last
month
and
it
does
add
development
requirements
and
design
review
guidelines
for
hotels
and
it
updates
the
design
review
process.
So
that's
really
what
I'm
focusing
on
this
afternoon
so
centered
around
that
new
design
review
process.
Is
this
new
design
review
committee
and
what
it
effectively
does?
Is
it
merges
the
two
design
review
subcommittees,
one
from
the
downtown
commission
and
one
from
the
riverfront
commission
into
this
new
independent
standing
committee?
K
There
will
be
nine
members
total,
the
majority
of
which
shall
have
demonstrated
special
interest
experience
or
education
and
any
one
of
a
number
of
different
design
related
fields.
Now
this
statement
is
very
purposeful
in
order
to
ensure
equitable
representation
on
this
committee
and
stay
true
to
the
vision
of
true
design
review.
K
We
do
want
there
to
be
design
expertise
on
the
committee,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
room
that
for
folks
who
are
really
motivated
or
very
interested
and
who
can
represent
other
important
voices
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
them
to
to
serve
on
the
commission
as
well.
It
also
gives
us
a
little
more.
K
It
gives
us
a
little
more
flexibility
in
making
sure
these
seats
get
filled.
Additionally,
so
of
the
nine
members
city
council
will
point
eight
of
them.
Four.
Coming
from
the
downtown
commission,
four
from
the
riverfront
commission,
we've
discussed
some
of
this
already
in
the
earlier
conversation,
and
those
existing
commissions
will
retain
involvement
in
the
design
review
process
through
those
committee
relationships.
You've
got
a
good,
solid
representation
from
your
commission
on
that
committee.
K
So
that's
that
is
probably
the
strongest
relationship
and
but
additionally,
there
is
the
opportunity
for
the
commission
to
provide
input
specifically
on
a
project
design
to
the
staff,
and
then
that
will
get
carried
forward
to
the
new
design
review
committee
and
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
overall
design
review
process
as
well.
K
So
some
things
I
want
to
ask
you
to
keep
in
mind
is
related
to
the
design,
review,
appointment
or
excuse
me,
the
design
review
committee
appointment
process.
You
all
should
have
received
an
email
about
a
week
or
so
ago,
inviting
you
to
apply
for
a
seat
on
this
new
design
review
committee.
The
clerk's
office
is
currently
accepting
those
applications
through
march
19th.
So
there's
still
time.
K
So,
if
you
have
any
interest
in
serving
on
this
committee,
I
would
really
like
to
encourage
you
to
get
that
application
in
those
applications
will
be
shared
and
reviewed
by
the
committee
on
boards
and
commissions.
This
is
one
of
council's
subcommittees,
so
three
of
the
seven
council
members
serve
on
this
committee.
They'll
review
those
applications
and
make
their
recommendations
to
council
who
will
then
in
turn
make
their
appointments
on
april
27th.
K
K
K
That
subcommittee
in
turn
makes
recommendations
to
the
respective
commission
and
then
staff
and
the
applicant
present
before
the
commission
and
the
commission
then
votes
on
the
project
and
it
can
end
there
if
it's
a
smaller
project.
But
if
it's
one
of
these
larger
projects
or
conditional
zoning
or
something
of
in
those
along
those
lines,
then
it
moves
on
through
the
process
and
those
recommendations
are
shared
with
the
plain
zone
and
commission
city
council.
K
That
feedback
is
then
shared
via
staff
to
the
design
review
committee,
and
then
the
design
review
committee
makes
the
vote
and
and
again,
if
that's
a
project
that
moves
along
in
the
process
that
gets
shared
further,
so
how
this
fits
in
the
overall
development
review
process.
It's
it's
kind
of
the
middle
piece
of
this
linear
flow
chart.
You
start
with
that
staff,
technical
review.
It
goes
before
the
respective
commission
and
I
want
to
point
out
on
this
particular
slide.
You
know
we
kind
of
demonstrate
that
there's
different
kinds
of
feedback,
so
you
have
your
design.
K
Related
feedback
will
be
shared
with
the
design
review
committee
and
then
their
recommendation
moves
on
if
it's
one
of
those
higher
level
projects,
but
we
know
that
the
purview
of
this
commission
and
the
downtown
commission
both
is
quite
large.
It's
not
just
about
design
review.
So
if
you
have
other
thoughts
or
other
feedback
or
recommendations
related
to
economic
development,
community
harmony,
business,
vitality,
whatever
it
may
be,
then
that
similarly
can
be
shared
as
it
moves
through
these
process,
particularly
if
it's
those
kind
of
higher
level
review
projects.
K
And
that
pretty
much
concludes
my
introduction,
like
I
said
it
was
a
very
brief
kind
of
overview
of
this
process
and
I
don't
know
steph
did
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
other
upcoming
projects?
Is
this
the
point
where
you
wanted
to
do
that
or
do
you
want
to
just
sort
of
open
it
up
for
general
questions
and
discussion.
B
Yeah
I
thought
sasha
and
I
talked
earlier-
I'm
not
sure
if
she's
on
still
just
to
note
that
for
the
river
district
design
review
committee,
they
looked
at
57
robert
street
last
week.
I
believe-
and
so
that
is
a
project
that
has
not
yet
submitted,
but
it
would
be
coming
through
this
new
committee
additionally
trucker's
place,
which
is
a
project
we've
been
talking
about
for
months,
is
a
project
that
would
come
through
this
new
committee.
B
The
project
that
we
were
talking
about
earlier,
that
is
on
the
riverlink
property
on
riverside
drive,
would
also
be
coming
through
this
committee
and,
if
sasha's
on
and
she
knows
of
any
other
projects,
she
can.
She
can
put
that
out
there,
but
so
there
there
are
several
projects
coming
up
soon,
and
I
believe
you
said
you
would
be
meeting
first
orientation
in
may.
Is
that
right,
shannon.
F
And
shannon
I've
got
a
process
question
from
a
newbie
here
when
I,
when
I
look
at
your
when
I
think
back
to
your
flow
chart
of
all
those
different
boards.
What's
the
kind
of
minimum
level
size,
project
or
development
that
would
go
through
that
entire
process.
K
That
is
a
very
good
question,
so
let
me
let
me
go
back
to
that
screen
real
quick.
F
K
Okay,
so
the
city
of
asheville
classifies
our
projects
based
on
size.
We
have
different
size
thresholds
and
we
call
them
level
ones,
twos
and
threes.
So
a
a
level
one
or
two
is
a
ministerial
review,
so
that
just
receives
technical
review
does
not
typically
go
to
the
planning,
zoning
or
planning
zoning
commission
or
the
city
council.
There
is
one
exception
to
that
for
level.
Twos
and
those
are
downtown
level
two
projects,
but
it
is
still
a
ministerial
review
and
it
ends
at
the
plane,
zoning
commission.
K
K
So,
for
the
most
part,
it's
going
to
be
those
bigger
projects
that
receive
that
input.
You
know
that
might
go
all
the
way
through
city
council
and
some
special
conditional
zonings
our,
but
our
level
two
projects
and
our
level
one
projects
can
still
receive
a
development
review.
K
K
H
Other
questions
yeah,
I
I've
got
a
question.
It
goes
back.
This
is,
I
have
a
clarification
question
for
for
shannon
and
then
I
have
a
follow-up
question
on
the
design
committee
when
you
say
that
that
four
of
these
nine
would
come
from
the
riverfront
commission,
are
you
saying
that
four
would
have
to
be
present
members
of
the
riverfront
commission
or
that
they
would
be
selected
or
appointed
by
the
riverfront
commission.
H
All
right
and
my
understanding
is
that
you're
also
looking
for
people
on
the
design
review
with
preference,
those
that
have
expertise
in
in
design
and
history.
With
that,
so
I
mean
the
way
I
conclude
that
is
you're
asking
for
us
to
more
than
double
the
responsibilities
of
you
know
a
limited
number
of
people
on
the
riverfront
commission
and
a
limited
number
of
people
on
the
downtown
commission
that
have
the
appropriate
expertise.
H
So
I
got
you
know
the
questions
arise.
One
have
you
asked
any
of
those
people
with
the
kind
of
expertise
that
you're
looking
for
and
you
need
have
you
asked
any
of
those
people
whether
they'd
be
willing
to
serve,
and
secondly,
if
they
cannot,
whether
or
not
they
have
the
time
or
just
the
the
energy
to
do
it?
K
Well
I'll
take
a
step
at
this
answering
this,
but
I'd
invite
our
other
staff
to
to
weigh
in
further.
Of
course,
this
is
all
volunteer
based.
So
this
is
only
only
people
who
want
to
do
it
are
invited
to
apply.
K
I
I
just
know
from
some
some
conversations
with
folks
over
the
years,
and
this
is
not
necessarily
representative
of
this
group,
but
over
the
years
the
folks
who
participate
in
design
review
are
primarily
interested
in
design
reviews.
So
this
new
process
is
intended
to
give
some
focus
and
integrity
to
that
review
process.
K
So
we're
not
anticipating
that
we'll
have
difficulty
necessarily
filling
those
seats.
But
if
we
do
it's
going
to
be
based,
you
know
votes.
The
business
will
be
conducted
with
the
members
that
we
have
and
if
we
have
empty
seats
we
have
empty
seats.
We
wanted
to
provide
the
opportunity
to
have
nine,
because,
in
my
experience
a
greater
number
of
people
when
it
comes
to
design
review
is
helpful.
K
So
we
think
that
that's
a
good
number
to
have,
but
if
we
can
only
fill
seven
seats,
we
can
still
conduct
business
and
we'll
just
kind
of
move
along
and
if
we
need
to
reconsider,
I
mean
our
intent
is
to
re-examine
this
whole
process,
and
I
can't
remember
where
this
last
last
left
off.
If
it
was
six
months
or
nine
months
or
a
year
from
now.
But
the
idea
is
to
revisit
all
of
this
and
if
we
need
to
reconsider,
we
certainly
will.
A
K
L
Thanks
yeah,
the
the
only
addition
to
what
shannon
said
is
that
the
riverfront
downtown
commissions,
if
if
there
are
any
particular
elements
of
a
project
that
you
feel
strongly
about,
that,
you
would
like
to
convey
that
information
directly
to
council.
If
a
project
goes
to
council
like
through
our
conditional
zoning
process,
then
you
still
have
the
ability
to
have
a
like
a
separate
motion.
L
I
can't
recall
if
the
riverfront
commission
has
done
this
for
any
projects.
I
know
the
downtown
commission
has,
for
example,
on
the
flatiron
project.
There
was
one
vote
specific
to
the
design
of
the
project
and
there
was
a
separate
motion
for
some
other
kind
of
socio-economic
factors
and
and
input
that
the
downtown
commission
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
conveyed
that
information
to
council,
so
that
that
option
is
still
available.
L
D
Todd
we
had
on
the
river
commission.
We
have
the
ability
to
select
two
additional
members
to
fill
out
the
expertise
that
we
felt
that
we
needed.
You
know.
In
our
case
it
was
often
landscape,
related
design,
knowledge
and
experience,
because
we
were
looking
at
issues
of
stormwater
management
and
providing
you
know
good
designs
that
would
then
you
know,
help
the
riverfront
environmentally.
D
D
But
if
they,
if
they're
not
on
the
commission
right
now,
they're
they're
on
the
desk
they're
on
the
planning
and
design
review
committee,
we
had
two
slots
that
were
that
we
voted
in
additional
membership
to
that
committee
that
were
non-commissioned
members
but
brought
expertise
that
we
felt
we
needed
in
the
design
review
process.
Okay,
I
got
you
yeah.
I
K
So
one
one
thing
is:
I
didn't
go
over
this
in
great
detail,
but
the
council
will
appoint
eight
of
the
nine
members.
There
is
one
at-large
member
that
will
be
appointed
by
the
seated
members
of
the
of
the
committee,
so
if
there
is
felt
that
there
is
a
need
there
is
this
gap,
then
I
think
we,
you
know
you,
as
a
committee
could
say
you
know
we
really
want
to
prioritize
filling
the
seat
with
somebody
who
has
this
background
and
expertise.
D
K
That
will
come,
I
mean
we
have
to
form
the
committee
first.
So
once
that
committee
is
formed,
then
we
will
advertise
for
applications.
We
were
just
thinking
recently
that
maybe
we
could
get
that
process
started
sooner
rather
than
wait.
You
know
just
so.
We
have
a
pool
of
applicants
that
they
could
choose
from
once
they
get
seated.
K
So
we
we
didn't
have
a.
We
didn't
make
a
final
decision
about
that
amongst
staff
and
whether
it
was
appropriate
for
us
as
staff
to
initiate
that
process.
So
we
should
really
wait
for
those
seated
members,
but
but
that
might
be
one
possibility.
I
And
if
I
could
just
address
that
a
little
bit
more,
I
I
did
communicate
with
our
two
members
from
the
riverfront
committee
that
they
could
apply.
I
We
also
do
have
two
landscape
architects
on
the
downtown
commission
too.
So
we
may.
We
could
end
up
with
three,
which
would
be
great.
You
know
to
have
even
more
than
just
one
so
sure
I
I
think
the
kate,
the
one
who's
on
the
river
is
probably
planning
on
applying
okay.
G
I
just
want
to
echo
that
I
fought
for
this
because
I
thought
it
was
something
you
all
thought
would
be
a
better
solution
than
no
involvement.
If
I
have
made
a
mistake
here
and
y'all
are
really
hating
this
process,
please
let
me
know
just
saying
that,
because
I'm
sensing,
this
is
not
something
that
many
of
you
like
and
we.
I
did
genuinely
think
that
you
all
wanted
this
as
a
better
solution
than
no
relationship
to
the
design
board.
G
E
Shannon,
I
was
just
wondering
what
is
the
quorum
for
the
design
committee.
You
said:
if
you
only
had
seven,
it
would
be
okay.
I
was
just
kind
of
curious.
What
is
your
quorum.
K
A
I'm
sure
it
will,
I'm
sure
we'll
continue
this
discussion
thanks
so
much
so
we're
we're.
Moving
on,
I
have
been,
I
had
have
been
attending
tim
and
I
have
attended
two
task
force
meetings
for
the
open
task
force
that
was
put
together.
J
A
The
task
force
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
the
task
force.
A
It's
the
open
space
and
I'll.
Just
give
you
a
couple
bullet
points.
The
minutes
are
available,
but
the
the
first
point
is
that
adelia
sadwika
led
with
that.
The
intent
of
this
task
force
is
that
the
city
should
be
representing
the
community
based
on
community
input
via
previous
planning
processes,
such
as
the
comprehensive
plan.
A
Why
review
the
code?
Well,
current
standards
have
become
a
barrier
to
infill
development.
That's
the
seems
to
be
the
biggest
reason
why
this
code
is
being
reviewed.
Now,
the
city's
goals
regarding
infill
include
addressing
the
demand
and
locating
units
in
areas
where
the
existing
infrastructure
can
support
them
and
where
they're,
in
good
proximity
to
multimodal
transportation
options,
employment,
goods
and
other
services,
the
city
of
asheville
is
trying
to
meet
strategies
of
the
comprehensive
plan
to
balance
growth
and
needs
for
housing
based
on
the
bowen
report
and
to
address
the
need
for
the
environmental
protection.
A
The
task
force
has
suggested
that
staff
might
want
to
have
a
have
different
requirements
in
strategic
areas
where
the
vision
is
for
higher
density
development
and
some
questions
that
the
task
force
left
with
yesterday
was
do
the
open
space
requirements
undermine
project
viability
in
more
dense
areas
of
development.
A
Another
question
was:
should
the
city
of
asheville
call
open
space,
something
different
and
less
ambiguous,
suggesting
using
the
term
private,
open
space,
on-site
versus
shared?
So
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
debate
going
on
on
an
open
space,
and
I
don't
know
tim,
do
you
have
anything
that
you
would
like
to
add
today.
H
D
I
apologize,
I
didn't
get
to
watch
the
whole
video
that
was
sent
to
us
by
stephanie.
I
apologize,
but
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
discussion
about
whether
we
might
be
creating
first
and
second
class
neighborhoods
by
changing
standards
of
open
space
I
mean
asheville
scene
is
a
green,
vegetated,
very
desirable
location
and,
if
you're,
creating
neighborhoods
that
are
high
density
that
are
almost
barren
of
open
space.
How
does
that
compare
with
neighborhoods
that
are
older
and
have
you
know
a
lot
of
vegetation
and
trees
and
open
space?
D
And
I
was
when
I
I
started
reading
it
I
started
thinking.
Are
we
creating
two
different
categories?
You
know
the
green
neighborhoods
and
the
not
green
neighborhoods
you
know
to,
and
I
understand
the
need
for
housing,
but
it's
just
what
you're
sacrificing
you
know
in
the
in
the
goal
and
then
the
other
thing
is
reading
the
ordinance,
and
I
I
was
wondering
how
it
applied
to
the
river.
I
mean
it
seemed
like
that
we
were
dropped
out
of
some
things
you
know
took
out.
D
A
Use
of
the
greenway,
for
instance,
precludes
the
requirement
of
open
space.
I
don't
believe
that's
been
decided,
but
I
I
do
what
I've
gathered
and
I'm
not
a
design
professional.
A
A
Do
you
also,
then
create
really
in
expensive
housing
by
not
being
able
to
create
the
density
that
you're
needing?
So
it's
an
interesting,
certainly
an
interesting
debate,
and
we
were
reviewing
raleigh
and
charlotte,
who
are
quite
different
from
asheville,
but
also
have
are
dealing
with
similar
questions.
F
A
F
A
question
and
a
comment:
I
I
didn't
go
back
and
look
at
the
video,
but
I
read
through
the
powerpoint
you
guys,
provided
it's
really
really
exciting.
I
I
wanted
to
ask
what
the
and
I'm
sorry,
if
I
missed
it
in
the
documents,
but
what's
the
end
goal
of
of
this
task
force
in
terms
of
the
product
that
you'll
provide
the
communities?
Is
it
design
or
rather
code
related
changes
or
recommendations,
or,
what's
kind
of
your
end
point?
There.
A
Where
we
are
supposed
to
be
reviewing
the
proposed
code
in
our
next
meeting-
okay,
I
am
certainly
the
least
qualified
member
of
this
task
force.
You
have
some
extremely
well-versed
and
experienced
engineers
and
architects
on
this
and
attorneys.
A
However,
I
do
believe
that
the
ultimate
goal
is
to
provide
a
a
code
that
is
a
and
what
I
likely
think.
I
likely
think
what
is
going
to
happen
is
that
there
is
going
to
be
certain
areas
of
this
city
where
open
space
is
going
to
differ.
That's
that's
my
hunch
here
is
that
there's
not
a
one
size
fits
all.
A
It
applies
to
open
space,
so
I
think
the
goal
is
to
find
a
happy
medium
where
everybody
feels
you
know
heard,
and
it's
and
it's
to
jane's
point.
There
is
a.
There
is
a
need
to
have
a
tree
canopy
and
green
space
throughout
the
city,
even
in
downtown
downtown
areas
where
there
wants
to
be
a
higher
density
based
on
the
topography
and
the
way
that
the
the
city
is
laid
out.
L
Thanks
now,
darren
did
a
great
great
job
and
tim
explaining
that
kind
of
the
purpose,
I
would
just
add
part
of
the
rationale
for
the
creation
of
the
task
force,
was
that
we
we
were
getting
differing
priorities
from
different
boards
and
commissions
and
from
different
stakeholders
and
and
we
we
felt
like
we
had
some
differing
goals
from
the
community
that
were
buying
against
each
other
and
by
creating
the
task
force.
L
So
we
could
take
a
step
back
and
look
at
revising
our
open
space
standards
through
our
zoning
regulations
in
a
more
holistic
way.
You
know
so
we
have
representatives
from
the
riverfront
commission
downtown
commission,
the
housing
authority,
a
development
group.
We
call
decag.
I
can't
can't
recall
what
that
stands
for
right
at
red
this
minute,
but
there
are
there
kind
of
include
our
design
professionals
that
work
with
our
development
services
department
from
the
community.
L
L
All
these
different
groups
that
have
different
goals,
and
and
how
does
this
apply
to
open
space
which
we're
finding
our
current
regulations
with
open
space
are
very
confusing
because
we
have
all
these
overlapping
open
space
requirements
there.
We
have
open
space
through
setbacks
through
open
space,
a
separate
set
of
open
space
requirements,
parking
lot,
landscaping,
something
we
call.
We
call
building
impact
like
landscaping.
So
how
do
all
these
different
requirements
overlap
with
each
other?
And
I
think
this
new
approach
will
help
us
maybe
redefine
what
our
goals
are.
L
You
know
initially,
our
goal
was
primarily
to
remove
barriers,
regulatory
barriers
to
infill
housing,
but
but
what
we
found
by
working
with
with
other
commissions
such
as
cc
and
the
urban
forestry
commission,
is
that
maybe
we
we
left
out
some
other
really
important
goals
related
to
to
the
environment
into
our
habitat
in
in
asheville.
L
F
That's
really
great,
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
prudent.
You
know
it's
not
my
role
to
to
tell
or
even
suggest,
to
the
city
what
what
to
do
or
what
direction
to
go
in,
but
as
somebody
that
just
ran
a
campaign
for
office,
one
of
the
top
three
things
I
heard
on
the
campaign
trail
in
2020
from
citizens
in
asheville
and
other
places,
was
about
tree
removal
and
and
and
canopy
removal,
and
so
that
was
really
interesting
to
me
as
I
I
think
about
that
a
lot.
F
F
To
put
you
know,
to
help
equity
and
affordability,
and
also,
while
also
balancing
green
spaces
and
open
space.
So
I
think
it's
a
really
important
time
for
you
guys
to
have
that
that
conversation,
that's
really
that's
really
exciting,
and
just
I
just
offer
my
my
support
in
any
way
I
can
to
help
you
get
there.
A
Thank
you.
Well,
if
there's
no
other
comments
or
questions
we'll
move
on
to
next
on
the
agenda
is
a
county
staff
update,
but
I
don't
see.
Peyton
is
peyton
here
see
on
the
call.
A
G
Do
I
have
a
city
council
update
no,
and
I'm
learning
that
you
asked
me
this
last
time,
so
you
want
a
standing
update
on
things
and
I
am
not
aware
of
what
you
want
me
to
report.
Yet
you
know:
we've
been
dealing
with
things
like
the
school
board
and
legislative
recommendations,
none
of
which
will
impact
the
river
one
of
which
was
to
change
and
continue
to
recommend
that
the
state
legislators
amend
our
occupancy
tax
legislation
to
encourage
the
move
to
a
higher
percentage
going
into
public
capital
projects
we
could
which
could
impact.
F
I'm
going
to
give
a
similar
response
response
to
sage.
I
I
did
remember
today
that
you
would
ask
me
this.
I
just
I'll
I
want
to
put
in
the
chat
my
cell
phone
number
and
my
email
address.
Everyone
has
it
because
the
phone
number,
at
least
is
is
new.
It's
about
a
month
old
now,
and
I
don't
know
that
people
have
that
so
I'll
leave
that
for
you
and
just
you
know
whether
verbally
now
or
or
through
that
medium,
tell
me
what
you
know
what
you
guys
would
like
to
hear.
F
You
know
from
the
from
the
county's
perspective,
I
see
my
role
as
trying
to
figure
out
what
my
role
is
on
this
on
this
commission,
to
be
to
be
frank,
but
but
beyond
that,
just
you
know
to
listen
and
to
offer
the
county
support
the
best
I
can
and
to
and
and
to
push
for
the
you
know
the
best
and
highest
use
of
the
land
in
that
in
in
you
know,
in
the
river
arts
area,
because
it's
just
such
an
awesome,
there's
so
much
opportunity
there.
F
It's
such
an
awesome
place
an
important
piece
of
our
of
our
community
and
we
don't
necessarily
get
a
second
chance
to
to
develop
it,
so
something
I
really
care
about.
You
know
the
the
big
the
big
topics
on
the
county
commission's
agenda
relates
to
the
you
know.
The
budget
discussion
that's
coming
up
already
in
june
or
july,
which
isn't
that
close,
but
we're
we're
talking
about
it.
F
You
know
every
day
so
far,
so
if
you
see
things
in
the
newspaper
or
on
you
know
on
the
internet
that
that
interests-
you
let
you
know,
let
let
me
know,
provide
that
feedback
to
me.
Please,
the
sooner
the
better
you
know,
the
vaccine
situation,
like
I
talked
about
last
time,
is,
is
improving
every
every
week
the
quantities
are
improving
and
the
places
at
which
you
can
get
vaccinated
are
changing
every
week.
So
it's
kind
of
hard
to
keep
up.
F
A
F
F
You
know,
I
I
think
I
I
gave
you
my
my
high
level
vision
last
time
of
a
task
force,
for
that
would
that
would
review
water
quality
and
quantity
issues
related
to
the
flood
plain
and
sedimentation,
and
you
know
e
coli
in
the
river
and
all
the
different
sources
of
that.
F
I
think
I
might
be
trying
to
ask
county
staff
to
take
take
on
too
much
there.
We
might
need
to
divide
it
into
a
couple
different
work
groups,
because,
because
that
requires
different
different
segments
of
expertise,
so
I'll,
hopefully
have
an
an
update
for
you
guys
in
april
or
or
may
on
that,
I
think
to
to
update
you
on
the
other
thing
I
mentioned
last
time.
You
know
with
the
county
comprehensive
plan,
that's
still
moving
along.
F
We
released
the
rfp
for
the
consultant
and
the
first
task
for
us,
probably
one
of
the
most
important
things
we
do
this
year
will
be
appointing
a
10
to
14
member
task
force
to
oversee
that
that
huge
project,
and
so
we'll
be
looking
for
citizens
from
all
over
all
over
the
county
to
to
join
that.
That
committee,
but
also
subject
matter,
experts
that
that
have
expertise
in
landscape
architecture
and
architecture
and
and
planning
and
green
bays
and
transportation,
so
experts
and
advocates
in
those
those
areas.
F
So
we
really
want
people
to
be
passionate
about
all
the
different
aspects
of
development
and
planning.
So,
if
that,
if
you
have
ideas
there
again,
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
to
me
so.
F
A
On
thank
you
jane.
You
had
your
hand
up
or
no
it's
okay,
all
right.
It
is
505,
and
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
this
meeting.