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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Affordable Housing Advisory Committee.
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B
C
I'm
Andy
Barnett
I'm
a
co-chair,
and
we
are
a
committee
whose
primary
functions
to
advise
City
leadership
about
affordable
housing
policy
and
priorities
for
city
funding.
We
work
with
the
Housing
Community
Development
Committee
the
city
council,
to
forward
our
recommendations
to
the
full
city
council.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
now
participating
in
person.
We're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
C
C
All
right,
I
will
now
take
role.
C
Tara
Irby
here,
Brian
methvin,
do
you
want
a
little
Babs,
Phillip
waynea
Smith
here
and
our
city
council
liaison
Antoinette
Mosley
all
right.
So
we
do
have
one
two,
three,
three,
six
seven.
We
do
have
a
quorum.
Sorry
just
had
to
count
and
make
sure,
because
we're
close,
so
we
will
proceed
with
our
first
agenda
item,
which
is
approving
the
minutes
from
our
virtual
meeting
in
August
motion
to
approve
motion
to
approve.
E
C
The
second
thing
before
we
get
into
our
presentation
today
is
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
the
status
of
where
things
are
with
the
community.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
vacant
seats
in
the
room
today
and
we
have
a
little
bit
of
turnover
happening
in
the
committee.
So
let
me
let
me
get
you
up
to
date
on
what's
on
a
few
things
that
are
going
on,
so
today
is
the
last
meeting
for
Barry,
Bialik
and
dewana
little
so
I
want
to.
C
C
With
with
ahac,
it's
been
invaluable
in
both
of
you
are
terming
out,
and
so
those
positions
become
open
next
for
our
next
meeting,
and
then
we
also
have
a
couple
of
folks
who
have
agreed
to
step
up
and
serve
a
second
term
with
us,
so
both
Scott,
Adams
and
Brian
methven
have
agreed
to
serve
a
second
term,
and
then
we
have
two
folks
who
are
who
are
moving
on
Emily,
axman
and
Marge.
Bukowski
are
are
both
relocating
and
so
their
seats
are
open
as
well.
So
we.
C
C
We
got
nine
applications
we'll
be
reviewing
those
to
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
the
keeping
the
committee
representative
of
the
demographic
and
Geographic
diversity
of
the
community
that
we
serve
as
well
as
making
sure
that
we
have
the
right
perspectives
and
expertise
on
the
committee
for
us
to
get
our
work
done
so
we'll
be
looking
at
that
and
making
recommendations
to
council
by
the
end
of
this
month
for
approval
by
Council
on
October
10th
for
new
members
to
join
the
committee.
C
D
F
E
H
G
Welcome
to
attend
next
month,
you
really
aren't
you
aren't
off
until
somebody's
appointed
to
replace
you
so.
E
G
They
say
September,
but
then
they
really
kind
of
drag
it
out.
So
the
appointments
will
be
after
your
next
meeting,
like
October
10th
12th
somewhere
in
there,
and
so
those
new
folks
will
be
at
the
November
meeting
and
just
also
for
Scott
and
Brian.
They
have
agreed
to
serve
a
second
term,
but
Council
still
needs
to
make
that
reappointment.
It's
not
guaranteed.
G
C
October,
you
can
check
out
anytime
you
like,
but
you
can
never
leave
all
right,
which
brings
any
other
questions
about
yeah.
D
C
I
need
to
learn
obviously
about
the.
I
C
I
Was
a
curiosity
see
the
short
list.
C
Of
folks
that
we
planning
to
put
forward
to
council,
we
can,
we
can
share
that.
F
C
C
So
if
you
are
interested
in
serving
in
the
co-chair
role,
why
don't
you
to
reach
out
to
me
or
you
Sasha?
Does
it
matter?
C
Why
don't
you
reach
out
to
me-
and
let
me
know
if
you're
interested
in
serving
in
the
co-chair
role
and
if
so,
we'll
we'll
bring
those
names
forward
for
consideration
at
next
month's
meeting?
And
if
we
don't
hear
from
anybody
at
next
month's
meeting,
we'll
bring
forward
the
idea
of
moving
forward
with
a
single
chair
that
no.
C
One's
hearing
me:
okay,
sorry.
C
All
right
so
I'll
repeat
that
for
folks
at
home,
we'll
entertain
applications
for
co-chair
for
the
next
month
and
consider
those
names
at
our
October
meeting
and
if
none
come
forward,
we'll
entertain
the
decision
to
move
to
a
single
chair
and
vice
chair
good,
makes
sense
everybody,
okay,
that
was
a
whole
lot
of
moving
pieces
and
housekeeping
and
things
that
I
didn't
know.
C
So
now
we
can
move
on
to
things
that
I
do
know,
which
is
we
have
a
great
presentation
today
from
Anna's
Gaia
from
the
Asheville
Buncombe
Community
Land
Trust.
My
trust
has
been
around
for
a
few
years
now
and
is
really
hitting
their
stride
with
with
the
impact
that
they're
having
in
the
community
so
excited
to
hear
about
this
unique
homeownership
solution
in
our
community
so
Anna
the
floor
is
yours.
J
Thank
you
for
having
me
I
know
a
lot
of
you
do
know
about
abclt
and
what
Community
Land
trusts
are,
but
some
of
you
are
new,
so
I'm
going
to
give
a
brief
overview
and
I
always
start
this
presentation
out
with
a
video,
but
I
might
skip
that
because
yes
I
have
to
skip
it,
because
this
is
not
a
PowerPoint
all
right,
so
a
little
bit
of
an
overview
of
Community
Land
Trust.
So
we
we're
the
First
Community
lantros
in
Western
North
Carolina.
J
J
The
First
Community
interest
ever
was
in
rural
Georgia,
new
communities
Inc
in
1969,
which
was
started
because
African-American
farmers
were
being
pushed
off
of
their
land,
and
so
they
gathered
resources
together
and
they
purchased
their
own
property
so
that
they
wouldn't
be
at
risk
of
displacement
in
the
future.
The
other
community
ranchers
on
the
screen
is
the
first
urban
CLT
and
that
was
1981
in
Cincinnati,
formed
out
of
a
need
to
fight
gentrification
and
displacement
so
similarly
to
the
rule
CLT,
but
more
closely
related
to
what
you
see
here
in
Asheville.
J
So
when
we
talk
about
what
does
the
model
look
like?
The
first
component
is
ownership,
and
this
is
probably
the
most
important
one
for
people
to
understand
what
the
model
does
is
breaks
out:
ownership
of
the
land
versus
ownership
of
the
structure
on
that
land,
so
the
CLT
retains
ownership
of
the
land
and
the
buyer
owns
the
structure
itself.
We
then
lease
the
land
to
the
buyer.
It
is
a
99-year
ground
lease
that
ground
lease
is
renewable
at
the
end
of
every
99
years.
J
J
The
ground
lease
is
what
insures
permanent
affordability
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
little
bit,
but
there
are
resale
restrictions
in
the
ground
lease
to
make
sure
that
it
when
the
home
is
sold
in
the
future,
it
is
Affordable
to
Future
buyers.
The
second
component
is
organization,
so
we're
a
non-profit
like
every
other
non-profit.
We
have
a
board
of
directors,
but
ours
is
structured
a
little
bit
differently,
because
we
have
three
different
sections
in
the
board.
J
So
the
first
two
sections
you
see
on
your
screen
are
really
Community
Representatives,
so
a
third
of
our
board
is
meant
to
be
made
up
of
leaseholders.
So
these
are
people
who
lease
land
from
us,
whether
they're
owners
or
renters,
another
third
of
community
residents.
These
are
people
that
live
in
the
communities
that
we
serve
and
finally,
the
last
third
is
public
Representatives.
So
these
are
individuals
who
may
or
may
not
live
in
the
community,
and
they
have
a
special
expertise
that
they
bring
to
the
board.
This
could
be
legal.
J
This
could
be
Financial
things
like
that
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
well-rounded
board
as
far
as
skill
sets
are
represented
and
finally
operation.
This
model
has
always
been
explicit
about
who
it
should
serve,
and
that
is
people
who
have
been
historically
excluded
from
the
political
and
economic
mainstream
and
primarily
focusing
on
people
who
have
not
been
able
to
purchase
a
home,
especially
here
in
Nashville
in
the
past.
J
So
now
a
little
bit
about
benefits
of
a
community
land
trust
the
first
one
and
the
biggest
one
I
would
say
is
affordability.
You
all
know
how
prices
are
skyrocketing,
what
the
market
is
doing
so
I
don't
need
to
go
over
that,
but
you
see
some
numbers
on
your
screen
which
show
how
much
our
buyers
typically
pay,
and
that
is
between
125
and
225
000.
So
that's
a
huge
difference
between
what
we
are
selling
homes
for
and
what
is
out
there
on
the
open
market.
The
actual
price
does
depend
on
the
buyer's
income.
J
So
again,
all
of
our
buyers
qualify
through
one
of
our
lenders
to
get
a
mortgage
and
whatever
they
qualify
for
is
their
purchase
price
of
the
home.
Our
buyers
can
also
use
down
payment
assistance.
We
can
layer
down
payment
assistance
as
well.
There
are
a
couple
of
options
that
we
have
used
in
the
past,
but
there
are
limited
options
that
work
fairly
well
with
the
land
trust
model.
J
The
next
benefit
is
community,
so
again
we're
a
Community
Land
Trust.
We
wouldn't
be
a
Community
Land
Trust
without
the
people
who
are
our
members
and
our
supporters.
Our
homeowners
are
automatically
members
of
the
CLT
and
all
of
our
members
can
participate
through
voting.
If
I'm
sorry,
anyone
can
be
a
member
and
those
individuals
who
live
in
Buncombe
County
can
choose
to
be
voting.
J
Members
and
those
voting
members
are
the
ones
that
get
to
vote
to
elect
our
board
of
directors
vote
on
things
like
if
we
have
any
bylaw
changes,
if
we
for
any
reason
decide
to
sell
land
in
the
future,
that
has
to
go
to
a
membership
vote
and,
finally,
permanent
affordability,
which
again
we'll
talk
about
here
in
a
minute.
But
that
is
really
what
is
the
most
important
aspect
to
preventing
future
displacement
and
gentrification
in
the
community.
J
So,
lastly,
the
benefit
is
economic
stability.
So
again
our
buyers
have
consistent
mortgage
payments
because
they
do
get
a
a
loan
from
one
of
our
lenders.
They
do
have
fixed
rate
30-year
mortgages.
They
also
have
a
reduced
tax
burden,
so
our
buyers
are
only
paying
taxes
on
the
purchase
price
of
the
home
very
important
to
make
that
distinction
so
they're,
not
paying
property
taxes
on
the
value
of
the
home,
they're
only
paying
property
taxes
on
the
purchase
price
of
the
home,
also
important
for
those
of
you
who
know
appraisers
and
real
estate
agents
out
there.
J
Our
sales
are
to
be
excluded
from
comps.
So
that's
something
that
we
have
to
do
as
an
education
in
the
community
to
make
sure
that
people
know
that
our
sales
are
to
be
excluded
from
comps
on
the
real
estate
market.
And,
finally,
our
buyers
do
build
wealth,
and
so
you
see
2.25
compounded
annually
on
the
screen
that
is
what's
in
our
ground
lease,
and
that
is
how
much
Equity
our
buyers
accumulate.
J
So
when
they
purchase
a
home,
we
lock
in
that
that
purchase
price
and
then
every
year
that
they're
in
that
home
2.25
compounds
annually
on
that
purchase
price.
So
it
doesn't
sound
like
a
lot,
but
the
example
I
always
use
is
150
000.
If
somebody
purchases
a
home
from
us
for
150
000,
then-
and
they
stay
in
that
home
for
about
10
years
at
the
end
of
those
10
years,
they've
accumulated
almost
forty
thousand
dollars
in
equity.
So
we
take
that
150.
We
add
it
to
the
40
and
that's
the
new
sales
price.
J
That
190
is
the
new
purchase
price
for
the
next
buyer.
J
So
a
little
bit
more
about
us.
This
is
our
mission
and
it's
really
broken
out
into
three
sections.
So
the
first
section
is
the:
what
what
are
we
doing
we're
working
to
establish
residential
commercial
and
Community
spaces?
Right
now,
we
are
primarily
focused
on
single-family
home
ownership
opportunities,
but
we
are
eager
to
get
into
the
rental
market
and
the
commercial
space
as
well.
The
second
portion
of
the
mission
is
The
Who
and
that's
the
italicized
portion
black
indigenous
people
of
color
and
low
to
moderate
income
residents.
J
We
as
an
organization
were
formed
in
Incorporated
in
2018,
really
formed
to
address
the
injustices
of
urban
renewal
in
the
city
of
Asheville.
This
has
been
a
really
community-led
process.
I
came
on
board
as
a
first
staff
member
in
early
2020,
but
there
was
probably
a
decade
of
organizing
before
my
time
so
conversations
started
as
early
as
2010
and
then
officially
started
organizing
around
2014,
again
Incorporated
in
2018,
and
received
our
501c3
status
in
2019..
J
So
at
this
point,
we've
been
fully
operational
for
a
little
under
four
years
since
I
came
on
in
2020
and
I.
Do
want
to
point
out
that
our
service
area
is
all
a
Buncombe
County,
but
again
right
now,
we're
primarily
focused
on
the
city
of
Asheville,
because
we
only
have
funding
for
Capital
expenses
in
the
city
of
Asheville.
J
A
little
bit
about
our
program,
so
of
course
home
ownership
is
the
biggest
one
and
I've
talked
about
that
majority
of
the
presentation.
But
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
we
did
pilot
a
property
tax
relief
program.
We
received
funding
from
Dogwood
Health
Trust
to
do
that,
and
this
was
intended
to
be
funding
for
those
households
that
were
not
eligible
for
other
property
tax
relief
funding.
J
We
have
also
created
a
home
repair
program.
We've
done
this
in
two
of
our
focused
neighborhoods
because
of
the
next
bullet
point:
there's
the
neighborhood-based
funds,
so
in
Montfort
and
Stumptown
and
Burton
Street,
we
created
those
neighborhood-based
funds
really
raising
money
from
the
community
itself
to
funnel
right
back
into
the
community.
So
in
those
two
neighborhoods
we
can
set
aside
those
funds
for
home
repairs,
specifically
in
that
community
and
finally,
for
two
years
now,
we've
had
a
community
ambassador
program.
J
J
Some
of
our
key
accomplishments.
So
at
this
time
we
have
three
full-time
employees
which
I
am
thrilled
about.
We
have
almost
300
active
members.
We
have
purchased
six
properties,
so
two
of
those
are
vacant
land,
four
of
those
are
homes
and
then
contract
spending
on
two
additional
vacant
land
properties.
J
We
have
also
raised
over
85
000
for
our
two
neighborhood
funds,
the
ones
that
I
just
mentioned
on
the
last
slide
and
that's
where
we
implemented
our
home
repair
program
and
finally,
we've
sold
two
homes
now
so
really
excited
about
that.
We
just
sold
our
second
one
a
couple
of
months
ago
and
we
have
a
third
one
under
contract.
J
And
challenges
so
the
first
one
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
too
much.
You
all
talk
about
this
I
think
at
every
meeting
you
have,
but
the
rising
costs
of
acquisition
and
construction.
The
second
one
is
lack
of
operational
funding.
We've
been
really
fortunate
to
receive
a
million
dollars
from
the
city
of
Asheville
through
the
bond
referendum,
and
we
did
get
100
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
operational
funding
as
well.
But
since
then,
we've
had
challenges
getting
operational
funding.
J
Funders
do
not
love
to
just
give
money
for
Staffing,
but
we
can't
run
our
programs
without
that
money
right.
So
we're
really
working
on
getting
more
of
the
operational
funds
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
capacity
to
run
our
programs
acquire
properties
and
all
of
those
things.
Another
challenge
is
pool
of
applicants
who
are
ready.
We
have
about
a
little
over
40
applicants
now
and
a
small
percentage
of
them
is
getting
to
pre-qualifications.
So
with
our
new
hire
recently,
we
are
figuring
out.
J
Where
are
people
getting
stuck
in
the
process,
and
how
can
we
get
them
past
that
to
get
them
to
pre-qualification
so
working
on
that,
but
again
about
40
applicants
in
our
Pipeline
and
the
other
issue?
Is
that
not
everyone
who's
getting
to
pre-qualification
is
even
able
to
pre-qualify
for
that
125
to
225
price?
That
I
talked
about
a
few
slides
ago,
so
we're
working
on
that
as
well.
So
how
do
we
get
people
to
pre-qualification
through
the
entire
process
and
then
also?
J
How
do
we
get
people
to
pre-qualify
for
at
least
125
000
we've
had
quite
a
few
who
are
pre-qualifying
around
a
hundred
thousand,
so
there
is
still
that
gap
for
every
home
that
we
sell.
We
invest
up
to
150
000
per
home
to
bring
the
purchase
price
down
to
the
buyers.
So,
of
course
we
can
invest
more.
But
that
means
more
fundraising
right.
J
So
looking
at
all
the
options
that
we
have
to
get
more
applicants
pre-qualified
in
our
price
range
and
then
also
many
applicants
are
self-employed
so
as
hard
as
it
is
to
get
a
mortgage.
Now
it's
even
harder
if
you
are
self-employed
and
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
to
support
our
self-employed
applicants
even
more
to
get
them
to
pre-qualification
in
our
price
range.
J
And
I
think
this
is
my
last
slide.
So
a
few
ways
that
you
can
get
involved
is
becoming
a
member
help
us
obtain
pro
bono,
reduce
fee.
Services
I
really
want
to
highlight
this
one
because
you
all
are
so
ingrained
in
our
real
estate
Community.
We
need
appraiser
surveyors
inspectors
and
attorneys.
We
can't
have
enough
of
those,
especially
for
our
buyers.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
attorneys
that
represent
them
are
able
to
provide
reduced
fee
or
pro
bono
services,
so
they
don't
have
an
additional
cost
for
that,
as
well
as
Inspector
surveyors.
J
All
of
that
also
encourage
sellers
to
consider
abclt
so
on
the
screen
are
our
Focus
communities
focused
neighborhoods,
and
if
you
know
anybody
or
hear
anybody,
that's
considering
selling
their
home
in
those
communities,
Burton
Street,
East,
End,
Shiloh,
south
side
and
Stumptown
encourage
them
to
reach
out
to
us.
We
can't
spend
half
a
million
dollars
on
a
property,
so
not
every
property
will
work
for
us,
but
there
are
situations
where
people
might
be
able
to
sell
to
us
at
a
price
point
that
works
for
us
and
finally
advocate
for
permanent
affordability.
J
F
Yeah
I've
got
a
couple:
if
you
don't
mind,
can
you
walk
us
through,
like
I
mean
of
the
two
that
have
been
that
you've
been
able
to
get
into
homes?
Can
you
walk
through
kind
of
like
the
financing
layers
and
what
the
properties
were
like
just
so
we
know
like
what's
worked
so
if
we
need
to
help
focus
on
like
how
to
keep
focused
on
what
does
work
more,
if
you
can.
J
So
all
of
our
buyers
have
to
go
through
one
of
our
lenders.
It
has
to
be
a
lender
that
works
with
Community
Land
trusts.
They
just
have
to
know
how
to
do
that
and
they
have
to
have
experience
doing
it,
so
we
can't
just
go
to
any
lender.
So
what
happens
is
once
somebody
is
ready
for
pre-qualification
within
our
program.
We
send
them
to
the
lenders.
We
now
have
two
lenders
with
our
first
home.
We
only
had
one
so
that
buyer
had
to
go
through
that
particular
lender,
but
now
we
have
two.
J
So
we
send
people
to
both
and
you
know
whatever
works
out
the
best
as
far
as
their
experience
and
their
pre-qualification
is
the
lender
that
they
end
up
going
with
and
then
the
other
thing
is
down
payment
assistance.
So
for
those
first
two
buyers,
we
were
able
to
work
with
the
ymi
using
their
down
payment
assistance
program,
which
was
extremely
helpful
because
it
was
a
grant.
J
We
going
forward
hope
that
that
program
comes
back
and
we
are
able
to
use
those
Grant
funds
for
our
buyers,
but
at
this
time
for
our
third
buyer
and
anyone
that's
getting
pre-qualified
right
now
is
mostly
most
likely
looking
at
a
loan
for
down
payment
assistance,
and
this
is
through
the
lender,
typically
and
I,
believe
that
money
does
come
from
nchfa,
but
any
anytime
we
can
get
grant
funding
for
down
payment
assistance.
J
That
is,
of
course,
best
I
will
say
right
now:
interest
rates
are
killing
us,
I
mean
I,
think
they're
at
like
seven
and
a
quarter
right
now
for
our
buyers.
So
that
is
a
huge
challenge.
J
I
mean
even
somebody
that
was
able
to
get
pre-qualified
last
year
at
a
lower
interest
rate,
is
now
having
a
really
hard
time
pre-qualifying
for
that,
but
that's
typically
how
the
process
works
so
they're
getting
the
lending
from
the
bank.
We
do
the
best
that
we
can
to
prepare
the
buyer
knowing
kind
of
what
the
bank
expects.
So
all
of
the
bank
requirements
and
regulations
are
what
we
share
with
the
buyers,
but
those
aren't
necessarily
our
requirements
and
regulations.
So
we
just
have
to
go
by
what
they
are
requiring.
F
When
we
talk,
you
know
offline
a
couple
weeks
ago,
but
can
you
because
one
thing
that
you
said
to
me
like
it
was
like
kind
of
like?
Oh
my
God,
the
the
credit
counseling,
because
you
say
like
the
process
that
goes
through,
which
is
the
I
just
explained,
because
I
think
you
said,
they're
not
live
they're.
Only
virtual
now
is
that
right.
Oh.
J
F
On
track,
have
they
given
any
indication
windmill
because
they've
always
been
the
biggest
provider
in
our
Market
of
classes
like
that,
and
have
they
given
an
indication
when
they
might
be
live
again
with
those?
Because
that's
such
a
such
a
one-on-one
personal
need
that
I
think
that
hand
holding
really
yeah.
J
I'm
not
sure
sort
of
that
right
now,
I've
had
a
co-worker
reach
out
to
them
and
see
if
we
can
work
on
getting
something
in
person
or
just
get
more
information
about
when
they
might
be
going
back
in
person.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
on
track
has
said
is
that
there
may
be
a
better
virtual
course
to
fit
our
buyers.
So
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
try
as
well.
J
J
F
J
I
just
met
the
city
staff,
probably
two
three
weeks
ago,
so
there
will
be
a
follow-up
meeting
to
talk
about
that.
We
just
have
to
determine.
We
have
some
old
city
funding
through
home
and
cdbg,
so
we
have
to
determine
if
that
is
going
to
be
a
good
fit
for
us
and
if
so,
if
we're
using
that
with
those
city-owned
lots
if
they
come
as
a
package,
they
kind
of
have
to
be
done
as
a
package
deal.
J
A
J
So
partnership
would
be
best.
We
just
did
our
first
home
renovation
this
year
and
it
wasn't
an
easy
process.
I'll
say
that
and
we
have
another
home
right
now
that
needs
Renovations,
so
that
will
be
next,
so
early
2024
will
be
renovating
that
home
and
then
after
that
is
done
and
sold,
we'll
be
looking
to
build
on
those
two
vacant.
Lots.
K
Thanks
I
got
a
question:
have
y'all
tried,
partnering
or
I
think
they
have
like
a
a
partner
certification
process
with
the
federal
Home
Loan
Bank
of
Atlanta,
because
I
know
they
do
down
payment
assistance
through
a
partnership
I
think
around
seventy
five
hundred
dollars.
J
Yes,
I
have
talked
to
everybody
out
there
that
potentially
does
down
payment
assistance
and
I'm
trying
to
dig
and
remember
exactly
what
they
said
to
me.
I
think
that
program
has
to
go
through
a
specific
lender,
which
is
not
a
lender
that
works
with
Community
Land
Trust,
not
100,
sure
on
that,
but
but
I
think
it's
it's
one
of
those
where
it's
like.
Yes,
we
have
the
funding
and
you
could
use
it,
but
there's
this
roadblock
to
us
being
able
to
use
it.
K
Have
y'all
worked
with
self-help
or
I
had
the
conversation
with
Federal
Credit
Union,
because
I
know
they're
one
of
the
lenders
about
potential
because
I
know
they
support
it.
Community
Lanchester.
J
Yes,
so
self-help
has
given
lots
of
loans
to
community
interests
across
the
country.
They've
never
provided
mortgages
to
buyers.
So
it
is
something
that
we
hope
they
will
be
able
to
do.
We
do
know
that
they're
interested
in
doing
that
and
I'll
have
to
check
in
with
one
of
our
board
members
who
works
there
to
see
where
we
are
in
the
process
on
that.
So
hopefully,
this
or
next
year
they'll
be
able
to
come
on
board
as
another
lender.
L
Quick
question:
is
there
any
sense
with
the
homebuyer
education
that's
being
provided
virtually
like,
where
the
buyers
are
getting
stuck
or
what
what
the
real
barrier
there
is
from
the
feedback
you've
gotten
from
on
track.
J
J
My
assumption
is
that
the
challenge
is
that
it
one
it's
virtual,
two,
it's
self-paced,
meaning
that
you
know
you
don't
have
a
date
and
time
where
you
have
to
show
up
and
sit
in
the
class
and
absorb
the
information
you
have
to
create
time
to
do
it,
and
the
third
is
that
it's
a
lot
of
information
even
in
person.
It's
a
lot
of
information.
I've
sat
through
those
courses,
probably
20
different
times,
and
you
know
different
settings,
different
organizations
and
every
time
I
learn
something
new.
J
So
for
somebody,
who's
never
been
in
a
class
like
that
to
sit
down
and
do
it
all
virtually
it's
just
a
lot,
and
so
we'll
be
talking
to
our
applicants
and
getting
a
better
feel
for
you
know,
did
people
start
and
then
it
was
too
much
and
they
kind
of
just
quit
and
gave
up,
or
did
they
not
start
at
all
or
what
is
the
challenge?
I.
Don't
have
a
great
answer
to
that,
but
those
are
some
of
my
assumptions
as
far
as
what's
happening.
C
A
D
C
Just
as
a
reminder,
we
have
three
big
pieces
on
our
work
plan,
creating
our
recommendations
for
possible
revisions
to
Housing,
Trust
Fund
and
the
luige
policy
advising
and
providing
sort
of
the
affordable
housing
perspective
into
the
the
group,
that's
working
on
the
missing
middle
project
and
then
assisting
with
the
development
of
a
new,
affordable
housing
plan.
C
So
those
are
the
three
things
that
we're
working
on
this
year,
just
to
kind
of
catch
us
up
on
where
we
are
on
those
things
in
terms
of
our
work
around
Housing,
Trust,
Fund
and
luige.
C
We've
a
couple
of
months
or
a
month
ago,
we
heard
the
report
back
from
the
connect
work
group
with
Community
input
around
that
the
Luigi
policy
I
know
build,
has
received
feedback
from
several
developers
around
some
questions
that
they
put
out
to
to
folks
about
the
luige
policy,
so
I
think
I'm
kind
of
excited
to
say
we're.
We're
ready
to
go.
C
Do
the
hard
work
now
of
actually
crafting
what
those
recommendations
are
based
on
all
the
information
that
we've
we've
been
gathering
over
the
last
several
months
and
I'm
going
to
suggest
based
on
where
we
are
with
these
work
plan
items
and
our
task
force
is
that
it
might
be
time
to
think
about
letting
our
build
and
connect
structure
remain
dormant
for
a
little
bit
and
put
together
some
work
groups
to
really
focus
on
closing
out
these
different
work
plan
tasks
for
the
through
the
end
of
the
year.
C
So
I'd
really
like
I'd
like
us,
to
think
about
putting
together
a
small
work
group
to
be
kind
of
the
the
point
to
draft
that
the
set
of
recommendations
that
will
come
back
to
the
full
committee
for
discussion
and
then
once
we
have
full
committee
approval
on
those
recommendations
to
go
to
ACD
as
our
recommendations
on
how
we
might
improve
luige
and
housing
trust
funds.
So
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
do
that.
C
We've
got
some
folks
who
are
working
on
who
are
kind
of
our
Point
people
on
that
missing
middle
work
and
we've
got
we'll
be
hearing
more
from
Sasha.
In
just
a
minute
about
where
we
are
with
the
affordable
housing
plan
and
how
we
might
give
input
to
that,
so
that's
that's
a
conversation
that
I
wanted
us
to
have
sort
of
the
idea
that
we
might.
We
might
kind
of
press
pause
on
our
build
and
connect
structure
and
put
together
our
work.
Our
work
groups
a
little
bit
more
around
what
our.
C
What
our
work
plan
for
the
year
is
particularly
identifying
some
folks
who
are
willing
to
work
on
crafting
that
set
of
recommendations
for
Housing,
Trust,
Fund
and
Luigi
and
I've
offered
to
be
a
part
of
that.
So
has
Brian
from
the
from
leadership.
But
we
would
love
to
have
a
couple
other
folks,
so
and
I
think
Ryan
may
have
called
and
twisted
some
of
your
arms
about
that.
C
But
anyway,
I'd
like
just
a
brief
discussion
with
the
committee
on
the
idea
of
kind
of
reconfiguring
some
of
our
work
groups
and
then,
if
you've
got
interested
in
serving
on
that
recommendations
committee,
the
idea
would
be
to
have
those
recommendations
drafted
for
for
our
October
meeting.
C
If
we
need
to,
we
can
roll
a
little
bit
into
November
and
still
meet
our
deadline
of
having
having
that
to
to
hcd
by
the
end
of
the
year,
but
the
sooner
the
better
I
think.
At
this
point
we
have
gathered
what
information
we
need
to
make
those
recommendations
so
thoughts
about
that
structure
and
interest.
In
serving
on
that
new
policy
draft
working
committee
working
group.
A
B
Your
game
to
serve
on
it
or
your
game
to
yeah
game.
C
I
I'm
not
good
at
word
smithing,
but
I
would
I've
got
especially
the
land
use
incentive.
Grant
I've
got
experience
with
them
would
like
to
be
on
that.
Okay.
Give
input
on
the
subcommittee
for
that
small
group.
C
Anybody
not
a
fan
of
the
idea
of
you,
know
putting
press
and
pause
on
our
current
build
connect,
structure
and
kind
of
getting
a
little
more
focused
on
our
work
plan
deliverables.
We
can
always
go
back
to
that
model.
It
seemed
to
work
well
in
a
lot
of
ways,
but
I'd
like
to
drive
us
to
getting
these
things
that
we
said
we
were
going
to
accomplish
this
year
accomplished
anybody
not
a
fan
of
that
idea.
E
C
Sense:
okay,
all
right,
then
we'll
go
there
right
any
if
anyone
else
is
interested
in
joining
Scott
and
Chris,
who
put
their
names
forward
to
several
Network
group
who
would
be
interested
in
serving
on
the
kind
of
policy
draft
work
group?
Let
me
know
we
can
have
that's
that's
four.
If
both
Brian
and
I
serve,
we
may
have
kind
of
duplication
of
perspective
with
the
four
that
we
have
on
there.
C
So
we
we
may
not
need
both
Brian
and
I,
but
we
can
have
as
long
as
we
have
less
than
seven
right.
Is
that
right?
As
long
as
we
have
less
than
seven?
We
we
are
good
to
for
for
that
work
group.
So
we
can
have
a
couple
more
people
if
people
are
interested
in
having
input
or
possibly
even
if
you
wanted
to
have
a
little
bit
of
input
once
the
ball
got
rolling,
but
before
we
got
to
the
full
committee
meeting
that
might
be
helpful
as
well.
C
Just
to
you
know,
touch
base
and
make
sure
that
we're
on
track
with
somebody
else.
C
It
would
be
nice
to
have
both
the
you
know.
The
build
and
connect
teams
represented
in
some
way
just
because
you
both
have
been
looking
at
this
policy
question
from
two
different
lenses.
I
think
mostly
it's.
You
know,
as
in
any
case
where
we're
making
recommendations
just
having
creative
and
curious
people
and
people
who
are
willing
to
check
all
of
our
blind
spots
so
that
we
don't
put
something
in
front
of
the
full
committee
and
then
go
wait
a
second
we
didn't
think
about
X.
C
So
obviously
the
full
committee
serves
that
role
and
we'll
have
a
plenty
of
time
in
our
next
meeting
for
robust
conversation
around
that
draft
and
can
make
sure
that
we
didn't
do
anything
didn't
didn't
miss
anything
obvious,
but
if
we
can
the
more
that
we
can
do
all
of
that
before
we
have
to
do
it
in
this
setting.
That
would
be.
That
would
be
helpful.
C
F
F
It
was
a
task
force,
and
that
means
that
that
it
has
to
it's
also
open
to
like
I
mean
we
actually
haven't
had
an
other
member
like
public
members
or
could
be
part
of
it
too,
that
it
doesn't
just
have
to
be
members
of
the
committee,
so
it's
I
think
I
think,
and
it's
because
I
think
it's
anytime
there's
over
three
people
meeting.
It
has
to
be
called
the
task
force
and
then
it's
open
to
other
to
invite
all
members
of
the
public
invited
I.
Think
that's
how
that's
how
we
had
to
do.
D
F
That's
how
we
had
to
do
it
when
we
set
up
the
original
building
connection
called
the
task
force
anytime,
there's
over
three
members
together,
it
has
to
be,
and
for
not
to
be
a
public
noticed
meeting,
it
has
to
be
a
task
force
meeting
and
it
has
to
be
open
to
like
it
has.
The
task
force
has
to
be
open
to
having
non-committee
members
on.
D
C
That's
right,
so
the
specific
things
that
we're
looking
at
in
in
this
is
the
is
the
scoring
criteria
in
both
of
these
programs.
So
at
this
point
we're
we're
holding
a
lot
of
our
you
know
any
big
structural
changes
to
the
programs
until
it
gets
reviewed
by
the
in
in
the
context
of
the
affordable
housing
plan.
So
you
know
we're
not
going
to
be
coming
back
with
you
know.
Oh,
we
should
just
get
rid
of
this
program
and
do
something
totally
different.
C
This
is
a
this
is
a
few,
a
few
tweaks
to
respond
to
input
that
we've
gathered
from
the
community
and
things
that
seem
to
be
barriers
to
effective
use
of
these
policies
and
to
get
us
to
a
point
where
we're
the
bigger
Solutions
obviously
need
a
level
of
community
engagement
and
policy
analysis
that
all
volunteer-based
committee
really
isn't
in
a
position
to
to
provide,
especially
when
we've
got
this.
That
is
specifically
a
task
in
the
affordable
housing
plan
and
we've
got.
You
know
time
allocated
to
do
that
study.
M
C
Tara
I,
don't
have
the
specific
language
in
front
of
me.
It's
primarily
the
scoring
criteria.
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
go
too
far
down
the
road
and
say
it
was
this
or
not
that,
but
it
is
limited
in
scope
which.
C
Okay,
well,
we
can
move.
We
can
move
forward
on
that
in
terms
of
where
we
are
with
the
the
status
of
those
recommendations
and
then
so.
Our
our
third
piece
of
the
work
plan
was
working
on
the
affordable
housing
plan
and
helping
to
bring
a
new
plan
into
existence,
and
so
Sasha
I
know
you
have
some
updates
on
how
that
is
happening.
G
We
went
under
contract
with
Enterprise
on
August
28th,
and
that
was
I.
Don't.
G
So,
while
I
do
this,
we,
so
we
contracted
just
to
remind
anybody
who
wasn't
here
last
month
or
doesn't
remember,
we
contracted
with
Enterprise
Community
Partners
and
they
are
a
national
nonprofit.
They've
been
around
for
40
years.
They
are
known
in
the
community
development
field
as
real
estate
developers.
They
actually
do
deals,
affordable
housing
deals
or
deals
that
benefit
the
community
in
some
way,
but
they
also
have
a
branch,
that's
a
Consulting
branch
and
they
have
worked
in
a
lot
of
communities
across
the
country.
They
helped
I
think
about
four
or
five
years
ago.
G
They
helped
the
city
of
Charlotte,
produce
their
affordable
housing
framework
which
I
really
liked,
and
what
really
made
the
difference?
We
had
really
great.
We
had
three
four
top
firms:
National
firms
that
we
looked
at
and
the
thing
that
made
the
biggest
difference
is
that
they
bake
Equity
into
how
they
do
their
process.
It's
not
something
you
got
to
say.
Okay,
remember,
this
is
Asheville.
You
got
to
think
about
this,
it's
just
how
they
do
their
work,
so
that
was
a
huge
thing.
G
Let's
see
if
I
can
make
this
work,
I
may
not
be
able
to.
G
Mirror:
okay,
beautiful
okay:
here
we
go
so
here
is
just
they
put
together
a
slideshow
for
us
for
our
kickoff.
We
had
an
internal
kickoff
this
just
last
week
with
our
internal
staff
team,
so
I've
got
folks
from
DSD
Finance
legal
planning,
some
other
Community
Development
folks
equity
on
our
internal
staff
team.
That's
going
to
help
advise
these
folks,
so
this
is
our
team.
Christopher
kizzy
is
not
as
involved
he's.
You
know
pretty
high
up
in
the
organization,
but
ifia
jarah,
Erica
and
Zachary
are
kind
of
our
core
team.
G
That
will
be
their
first
I,
don't
know
about
I'm,
not
a
fan
of
Gantt
charts.
But
if
you
are,
this
is
the
Gantt
chart
version.
We
have
a
second
version,
so
so
really
our
goal
is
to
be
done
with
have
that
draft
plan,
probably
by
the
end
of
May,
and
the
goal
is
really
to
get
to
council
May
or
June
for
adoption
would
love
to
have
this
in
place
before
the
end
of
the
budget
year.
G
G
We
want
to
have
staff
wants
Clarity
and
we
think
this
community
wants
Clarity
on
like.
If
we
do
this
Bond,
what
are
we
going
to
be
paying
for?
What
is
it
going
to
be
going
to?
So
that
is
a
huge
benefit
of
this
plan.
G
G
They
are
looking
at
our
city
tools,
so
our
Housing
Trust
Fund,
the
Ouija
city-owned
land
fee
rebates
kind
of
assessing
those
making
recommendations
about
how
those
should
be
changed
and
they
will
take
your
feedback
and
what
you
all
are
recommending
into
that
fold
that
in
the
Thrive
work,
that
happened
is
also
being
folded
in
and
they
will
be
meeting
with
thrive.
So
that's
been
super
helpful.
There's
just
it's
been
a
nice
kind
of
lineup
of
a
lot
of
pre-work
that
has
happened
in
the
community
that
helps
them.
G
You
know
not
have
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
doing
some
of
this
other
stuff.
First,
so
in
the
affordable
housing
plan,
we'll
also
be
making
recommendations
about.
Are
there
things
we're
not
doing
that
we
should
be
doing?
Should
we
have
a
preservation
program,
that's
buying
or
helping
somehow
to
buy
apartment
buildings
that
are
going
up
for
sale
to
preserve
them
for
affordable
housing?
Should
we,
you
know
all
those
kind
of
questions
I
mentioned
to
them.
Yesterday
the
bedroom
question
like
what
should
we
be
doing
with
bedrooms?
Like
that's,
like
a
very
the
question?
G
That's
come
up,
so
there
are
some
things
like
that,
and
there
are
things
that
you
think
of
that
we
haven't
talked
about
or
if
you
want
to
just
feel
free
to
shoot
me
an
email
and
say
I
really
want
to
make
sure
this
covers.
This
is
a
second
version
of
this
timeline
that
is
by
month,
which
works
much
better
for
how
my
brain
works
and
then
how
how's
the
community
being
engaged.
G
October
late,
October
early
November,
there
will
be
a
bigger
visit,
a
longer,
maybe
longer
visit
with
more
team
members
coming
to
Asheville
to
really
doing
some
in-depth
Community
engagement
and
then
there's
a
second
bigger
visit
in
March
when
they're
bringing
back
recommendations
for
review
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
that
ahac
is
involved
in
that
in
a
second,
so
March
coming
back
doing
resident
review.
G
But
it's
also
a
stakeholder
review
of
they're
finalizing
the
recommendations
and
then
you
know
there's
a
last
visit
to
present
to
city
council
and
maybe,
if
there's
a
few
hours
in
that
visit
to
also
maybe
meet
with
you
all
or
you
know,
particularly,
we
haven't
lined
that
up
yet
exactly,
but
we've
got
some
extra
hours
there.
G
So
one
question
that
has
come
up
in
my
conversations
with
Andy
and
Brian
and
Margie
is
this
question
of
an
advisory
committee
the
standard
way
that
the
city
does
these
plans,
and
this
is
probably
my
fifth
one-
we
tend
to
form
an
advisory
committee-
that's
separate
from
any
border
commission
that
has
a
broader
reach
that
has
more
stakeholders
involved.
I
did
the
one
I
managed
the
downtown
master
plan
and
we
had
a
30
person
advisory
committee.
That
was
really
20.
21
people
were
mostly
involved.
G
Downtown
commission
members
were
a
part
of
that.
We're
kind
of
not
going
to
do
that
this
time,
we're
going
to
take
a
totally
different
approach,
so
I'm
pretty
excited
about
this.
Actually
so,
instead
of
doing
this
traditional
advisory
committee,
which
which,
in
all
honesty
how
that
generally
works,
is
that
the
people
that
we're
really
somewhat
more
focused
on
what,
as
I
said
before,
we're
trying
to
Center
equity
and
center,
the
community
in
this
plan,
those
folks
on
the
advisory
committee
tend
to
be
outnumbered.
G
We
tend
to
have
a
lot
of
power
players
in
the
room.
They
tend
to
drop
off
the
committee
or
they
just
don't
participate,
and
then,
at
the
end
of
the
plan,
we
don't
feel
good
about
it
because
we
don't
feel
like
we
didn't
hear
from
a
community.
The
way
we
wanted
to
this
I
mean
I've,
seen
it
time
and
time
again,
so
we're
trying
something
different,
and
this
is-
and
this
is
kind
of
Enterprises
guiding
this,
and
so
we
really
were
looking
to
them
for
guidance.
G
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
have
recall
this
is
a
working
title,
not
official
yet,
but
a
resident
engagement
Roundtable,
so
that
Roundtable
will
be
focused
on
community
engagement,
informing
the
Outreach
of
Enterprise
and
their
ambassadors
of
the
plan.
The
makeup
of
the
Round
Table
should
be
predominantly
residents
and
people
who
are
impacted
by
outcomes
since
we're
centering
Equity.
We
need
an
over
representation
of
people
impacted
by
City
programs,
and
then
this
Roundtable
will
bring
Community
Voices
to
the
center
of
the
conversation.
G
G
So
I've
already
talked
about
that,
so
the
Consultants
coming
in
here
in
December
as
I
said
and
that
part
of
that
visit
will
be
stakeholder
mapping
and
figuring
out.
How
do
we
put
this
thing
together?
It's
not
a
done
deal.
It's
not
figured
out
yet
they
they
I
think
this
is
what
they
do
in
communities
they
go
to
the
community
get
to
know
it
a
little
bit
better
before
they
start
forming
this
committee.
So
it's
not
me.
G
You
know
I
started
drafting
my
typical
list
right
and
I
was
like
I
was
like,
thank
goodness
we're
not
doing
this
right.
I
had
like
Matt
Allen
from
lots.
Are
you
know,
like
you
know,
you
get
the
typical
thing,
so
I'm
really
excited
to
try
something
different
that
really.
We
want
a
different
kind
of
plan
that
really
says
all
the
things
I
don't
want
to
keep
repeating
myself,
so
roll
of
ahac.
So
you
all
are
the
policy.
As
Andy
said
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
G
You
all
are
the
policy
advisory
committee
and
you
all
will
help
Implement
plan
recommendations
when
it's
completed
and
adopted.
So
with
that
goal,
we
want
you
to
be
involved
throughout
the
planning
process
and
by
the
end
of
the
plan,
we
want
ahac
members
to
feel
and
fully
invested
and
see
your
input
and
the
impact
of
your
recommendations
in
the
plan.
G
So
here
are
some
specific
ways.
I
already
mentioned
that
you
should
have
you
know
two
or
three
seats
on
this
board:
City
staff
or
enterprise
Enterprise
is
willing
to
give
monthly
updates
for
your
meetings
in
terms
of
like
producing
an
update
or
if
they're
here
members
of
ahac
will
be
invited
to
focus
groups
or
interviews.
You
know
public
meetings.
G
We
hope
that
you
will
also
be
ambassadors
of
the
plan.
That
would
be
very
helpful
and
you'll
have
opportunities
to
give
feedback
on
the
planning
process.
We
also
discussed
yesterday
them
when,
during
their
March
visit
them
meeting
with
you
all
having
a
special
meeting
just
with
ahac
to
get
feedback.
There
may
be
some
other
opportunities
like
in
October
to
do
something
like
that
as
well.
G
I
think
they
understand
that
you
all
are
deeply
involved
and
committed,
and
you
know
we're
not
trying
to
push
ahac
aside
in
any
way.
So
does
that
I
don't
know
what
you
all
think
of
that
it's
a
different
approach
and
I
kind
of
feel
like
it's
time
to
try
something
different
in
these
planning
processes.
K
K
G
Are
there
thoughts
or
reactions,
or
are
there
questions
about
the
plan
in
general?
We
are,
since
we
have
kind
of
just
started.
You
know
normally
like
if
I
come
talk
about
a
plan
I
like
to
have
the
whole
set
of
everything
to
share
with
you.
We
just
don't
have
it
yet.
In
the
next
two
weeks,
I
will
be
putting
up
a
project
page
on
our
website
and
the
timeline
and
getting
some
general
broad
information
out
there.
G
Just
so
people
know
it's
starting
to
come
we're
starting
to
plan
around
events
like
there's
a
reparation
Summit.
There
is
the
lot
SARS
doing
an
affordable
housing
Fair
like
are
there
places
where
we
can
be
to
kind
of
reach
out
and
start
getting
the
word
out,
and
things
like
that,
so
I
will,
and
so
they
actually
mentioned
yesterday-
sorry
I'm
bad
for
Talking
forever,
but
yesterday
they
also
mentioned
that
they
would
love
your
suggestions
for
people
on
this
round
table.
G
Look
if
you
have
specific
people
and
there's
a
lot
of
times.
Sometimes
in
these
processes
we
find
like
oh
there's,
somebody
who
isn't
on
every
border.
You
know
some
some
folks
aren't
overtapped.
We
we
have
a
lot
of
overtapped
people
in
our
community
and
it
doesn't
mean
everybody
has
to
be
like
that.
But
there
are
people
out
there.
There's
been
a
lot
of
great
work
in
our
community
and
leadership
development
and
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
cool
people
out
there.
So
if
you
have
ideas,
I
would
love
to
hear
them
just.
L
A
quick
question
I
mean
this.
This
looks
great
I
love
that
Juan
is
excited
because
of
the
new
approach.
I
wonder
there
has
been
quite
a
lot
of
work
done
in
this
space.
Quite
a
lot
of
reaching
out
to
the
community
and
engaging
Community.
Is
there
any
fear
of
fatigue.
G
L
G
That's
yes,
absolutely
100!
That
is
a
concern
of,
and
that's
why
I
was
kind
of
mentioning
also
trying
to
get
some
new
folks
involved.
Who
have
that
lived
experience,
but
maybe
haven't
been
like
tapped
on
the
shoulder
like
10
times
a
year
to
give
their
input,
but
at
the
same
time
we
want
everybody
to
get
a
chance
to
give
input.
G
If
they,
you
know
and
and
one
of
our
Consultants
yesterday
mentioned,
people
also
want
to
know
that
what
they're
doing,
if
they
sign
up
for
something
like
this,
that
it's
actually
going
to
result
in
an
action
that
they're
not
just
sitting
around
discussing
issues.
So
Enterprise
is
very
weird.
They
mentioned
it
yesterday
too,
and
I
don't
have
the
answer
yet.
G
F
Do
they
have
I
can't
remember
if
I
saw
on
their
web
page?
Do
they
have
actually
examples
of
affordable
housing
plans,
they've
done
for
other
cities?
I
know
it's
helpful
like
with
the
missing
with
opticos,
whatever
it
was
they
had
like,
we
were
able
to
see
what
they
did,
because
you
know
they're
kind
of
boilerplate.
So
we
know
what
we
get
was
look
pretty
similar
to
the
others,
but
like
has
has
have
they
done
other
housing
plans.
Oh.
G
F
C
G
But
they
are
yes:
okay,
yes,
they've
done
a
lot
of
plans.
K
So
I
got
a
question
the
as
far
as
how
the
per
the
people
will
be
represented
on
this
not
task
force
this
new
group.
This
is
the
way
of
doing
things.
What
is
what
what
is
the
recruitment
process
or
the?
How
are
people
knowing
who
might
not
be
on
one
of
these
neighborhood
committees
like
it,
would
really
it's.
G
Don't
know
yet:
oh
I'm,
not
sure
yet,
but
no
yeah.
No,
it's
a
good
question
so,
and
yeah
and
I
think
we
even
put
some
money
aside
in
the
contract
for
stipends
as
well
to
try
to
help
that
process,
because
we
would
love
for
those
people
to
actually
tap
into
their
networks.
If
they're
willing
and
get
participation,
you
know
kind
of
more
Grassroots.
G
But
yes,
very
there,
affordable
housing
plan
background,
here's
their
proposal,
so
I
guess
I,
don't
I
thought
I
did
provide
that,
but
I'm
not
sure
where.
C
B
H
C
Of
plans
from
from
but.
F
F
And
you're
right,
you
know,
I
was
just
thinking
about
the
fatigue.
You're
right
I
mean
especially
now
with
interest
rates
and
construction
costs
and
everything
yeah.
It's
like
trying
to
fight
this
trying
to
fight,
affordable
housing,
gonna
help.
It
feels
like
yeah,
you're
kind
of
like
being
sealed
like
being
seal
clubbing.
All
the
time
like
it
just
feels
such
like.
It's
so
hard
right,
I
mean
it's,
it's
always
been
hard,
but
boy.
It's
really.
G
Hard
now
well,
there's
just
a
lot
of
community
processes
happening.
The
reparations
process
is
kind
of
really
kind
of
getting
more
and
more
amped
up
and
missing
middles
kind
of
heading
into
like
final
products,
which
is
going
to
create
another
Cascade
of
something
yeah.
So
there's
always
yeah
I
was
trying
to
figure
out.
Is
there
more
going
on
now
than
usual
because
it
feels
like
it
but
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that's
real
or
not
it's.
F
The
in
I
mean
the
interest
rates,
are
huge,
I
mean
that
that's
having
a
huge
effect
right
now
on
so
much,
and
because
it's
it's
like
you
know
what
Anna
was
saying
like
it
just
doesn't
work
and
then
it's
having
on
the
construction
side
like
for
the
bigger
development
construction
scientists
was
talking
to
and
someone
in
Charlotte
who
sells
a
lot
of
the
multi-family
projects
and
employees
like
it's
the
world's
chain
like
it's
made
it
so
much
harder
and
it's
changed.
The
banks
have,
you
know,
really
tightened
up.
C
Sorry
I
want
to
thank
you,
for
it
takes
a
lot
of
nerve
to
come
up
with
a
and
share
a
plan.
That's
not
fully
finished
and
is
still
in
the
vision
stage,
but
I
I
that
really.
That
invites
trust,
because
you
know
you
could
come
up
and
you're
like.
Oh
here's
how
it's.
C
In
so
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
to
share
us.
You
know
share
with
us
through
the
process
on
this
and
give
us
a
chance
to
to
inform
that
it
sounds.
It
sounds
really
exciting
and
then
I
would
say
to
my
colleagues
on
ahac
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
really
important
for
us,
as
we
bring
these
four
new
members
onto
the
committee
to
really
plug
them
into
this
process
of
developing
the
affordable
housing
plan,
because
they're
going
to
have
the
most
longevity
in
terms
of
implementing
the
goals
and
strategies
that
we
identify.
C
You
know
a
lot
of
longevity
into
the
future
of
getting
this
plan
implemented
and
having
you
know
that
ahex
oversight
on
it
so
I
would
just
encourage
you
to
do
what
you
can
as
we
bring
these
new
folks
on
to
get
them
really
actively
engaged
in
whatever
roles
we
have
with
the
affordable
housing
plan.
C
So
let's
don't
blow
it
at
this
point
so
with
our
housing
updates
again,
I
want
to
thank
Barry
Bialik
for
providing
our
the
MLS
data
and
Tara
the
Housing
Authority
data
that
goes
into
our
into
our
data
analysis
every
month,
for
this
committee
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
absolutely
for
agreeing
to
carry
on
with
the
MLS
piece
of
that
once
very
gets
to
his
final
meeting,
which
is
not
this
meeting
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
and
let
y'all
walk
us
through
what
we.
F
I'll
give
a
quick
history
of
where
this
data
came
from
that
way,
you
know
kind
of
how
you
want
to
use
it
in
the
past,
so
the
the
committee
is
year
for
years
tracked:
housing
sales
under
contract
for
less
than
250
000,
which
is
what
was
determined
to
be
affordable
at
the
time
years
back.
What
happened
is
that
there's
starting
to
be
no
properties
left
on
that
list,
or
maybe
two,
and
so
what
happened
is
there's
no
houses
left
on
the
list.
F
So
we
had
to
expand
the
criteria
up
to
375
000,
which
is
not
affordable
by
any
means,
but
just
to
show
what
the
inventory
is
and
what
what
there
is
less
than
375
000..
So
that's
where
the
criteria
ended
up
I
think
we
went
from
250
to
275
to
375.
So
what
we
prepare
is
the
lists
that
show
everything
that's
available
on
the
MLS
in
the
city
of
Asheville,
that's
less
than
275
000,
that's
active
I
mean
375
000,
that's
active
and
for
sale.
F
What
has
closed
over
the
past
30
to
40
days,
depending
on
the
last
meeting
time
we've
had
and
then
what's
currently
under
contract.
So
we
get
to
see
kind
of
what's
available,
what's
under
contract
and
what's
closed
that
way,
we
have
some
some
historical.
You
know
just
to
see
what
our,
how
how
much
up
you
know
how
much
headwind
we
have
against
this
in
the
in
affordable.
You
know
and
trying
to
get
more
affordable
housing.
F
So
the
you
know,
that's
in
the
house
stated
and
yeah
tracking.
You
know.
As
we
know,
we
hear
the
numbers
that
the
average
house
cost
in
Asheville
is.
D
F
Exceeding
500
000
the
ones
on
the
list
that,
if
you
see
like
almost
generally
anytime
I,
mean
almost
anytime
there's
a
list
there's
one
of
the
houses
I've
built
on
it,
because
I
tend
to
be
one
of
the
most
reasonably
priced,
affordable
builders
in
town,
so
I
think
on
this
list.
Two
of
the
houses,
I
noticed
were
ones
either
I
constructed
or
that
were
like
I
built
now
is
new,
or
that
was
a
resale
that
I
built
for
years
ago,
but
just
for
reference.
F
Those
are
two
bedroom
houses
like
like
on
mine,
because
I
can
speak
to
mine.
Well,
960
square
foot
house
is
now
three
hundred
eighty
thousand
dollars
a
resale
of
a
house
that
I
built
years
ago
that
the
entire
contract
for
building
was
a
hundred.
Ten
thousand
is
now
three
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand
dollars.
F
So,
just
to
give
you
some
scale
of
reference
that
the
like
a
res
like,
especially
when
I
watch
the
resales,
like
you
know,
house
I
built
for
a
hundred
ten
thousand
dollars
worth
of
land
is
now
so
that's
you
know
that's
kind
of
where
the
history
of
the
data,
what
we
look
at
recently,
what
you
know,
whatever
we
said,
is
a
builder
I'm,
always
on
the
front
end
of
seeing
what
the
next,
what
house
prices
are
going
to
be
based
on
land
prices
and
what
I've
really
watched
you
know
over
the
past.
F
Many
years
is
how
land
prices
have
just
gone
skyrocketed,
because
the
reality
is
you
can't
like
the
way
financing
works.
Whatever
the
land
cost
is
the
house
is
going
to
be
at
least
three
to
four
times
that,
because,
if
for
mortgage
and
financing,
land
has
to
be
25
to
33
percent
of
the
cost
basis,
so
what
happened?
Is
land
just
disappeared?
So
what
I
started?
I
added
on
Just
for
references
land
listings,
because
we
realized
in
the
city
of
Asheville?
F
There
was
no
land
less
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
it's
probably
right
now
about
125
000.
There's
I
mean
it's
scraps,
and
so
that
means
today's
land
or
tomorrow's
house
prices.
So
if
land
right
now
is
125
000,
that
means
next
year's
houses.
There
are
none
less
than
so
so
that
you
know
what
I
use
that
as
a
guiding
tool
with
this
data
is.
How
do
we
bring
land
prices
down?
Which
is
you
know?
F
That's
that's
where
I'm
like
that's
how
I
kind
of
use
this
data
and
where
I
came
to
you
know,
provide
it
to
share
with
it
and
yeah
I
think
Brian
talked
about.
There
may
be
better
ways
to
like,
like
represent
as
a
whole,
instead
of
having
to
see
the
individual
pieces,
but
but
that's
what
I've
always
done
with
the
data
is
it's
been
a
good
tracking
point
for
like
this
is
where
housing
prices
are
going
and
then
recently
adding
on
the
land
report
has
been.
F
You
know
very
dramatic
I
felt
because
you
know
100.
H
F
C
A
Know
I
always
kind
of
have
Sasha
just
quickly
pull
up
one
of
the
listings
that
I
noticed
that's
under
contract.
It's
11,
Wellspring
Lane,
it's
intriguing,
it's
a
one
bedroom
one
bath
house
relatively
new
construction
2019
and
if
Sasha
can
pull
it
up,
I
think
it's
an
interesting
example
of
something
that
will
hopefully
come
more
so
out
of
our
missing
middle
housing
study
and
that
it's
essentially
a
Cottage
Court.
A
A
So
you
know
it's
339
thousand
dollars,
so
that's
still
over
300
a
square
foot
which
is
not
cheap
but
interestingly
I
think
it
it
just
it's
an
interesting
example
of
I
think
a
model
that
could
make
housing
more
accessible,
particularly
to
smaller
households,
either.
If
you're,
you
know
aging
or
if
you're,
just
out
of
school
and
transitioning
from
a
group
of
Roommates
different
things
like
that,
so
yeah,
can
you
turn
on
the
aerial?
A
So
if
you
go
to
the
upper
right
under
search
base
map
images
one
there,
if
you
can
just
click
on
the
aerial?
Yes
thank
you.
So
basically
the
the
house,
that's
for
sale,
is
immediately
north
of
that
ranch
house
right
in
the
middle
there,
but
you
can
yeah.
You
can
kind
of
see
that
you
know
it's
a.
D
A
Of
small
Cottages
I
think
it's
about
a
two
and
a
half
three
Acre
Site
so
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
have
Sasha
bring
that
up.
Thank
you
by
the
way,
I
think
it's
a
interesting
example
of
a
smaller
footprint.
So
you
know
a
little
something
a
little
out
of
the
box
and
then
also
so
I
should
want
to
cut
the
map
up.
If
you
don't
mind,
if
you
can
just
type
in
the
search
Atlanta
Avenue,
there
were
two
on
the
land
listings.
A
There
were
two
listings
under
a
hundred
thousand
and
Atlanta
Avenue
in
nearby
Ivy
Street
or
it's
a
really
interesting
site.
This
is
in
West
Asheville,
just
off
of
Patton
Avenue.
Basically,
if
you've
got
a
frame
of
preference
for
the
Chipotle
or
the
abandoned
Arby's,
it's
right
behind
there,
but
I
think
it's
also
just
a
really
interesting
example
of
you
know,
particularly
the
potential
for
infill.
There's
a
you
know,
a
lot
of
platter
plots
there
there's
probably
some
challenges
in
that
they're
paper
streets,
so
you'd
have
to
pull
out
the
streets
and
whatnot
but
I.
A
You
know
just
looking
at
the
listings.
I
think
you
know.
Those
are
two
really
interesting
examples
of
ways
to
get
housing
costs
moving
in
the
right
direction,
which
is
to
either
be
down
or
stabilizing,
particularly
for
people
that
are
needing
more
affordable
options.
Let's
see
if
Sasha
can
just
bring
this
up
briefly
yeah,
so
the
I'm
not
sure
I
wasn't
able
to
look
at
which
two
Watts
they
were,
but
again
it's
just.
It's
I
think
it's
an
interesting
example
trying
to
take
the
old
phrase.
A
F
Yeah
I
think
both
of
those
like
the
like
the
like
it's
always
funny
to
dive
deep
into
the
landless
125
000,
because
I
think
they're
paid
I
think
what
happens
is
is
like
there's
lots
that
come
up.
There's
always
something
with
them
and
I.
Think
that's
a
paper
I
think
when
you
get
into
a
paper
Street,
that's
not
that
the
roads
aren't
completed,
which
means
it
needs
right,
the
city
of
Road
standards,
which
then
triggers
fire
truck
turnarounds.
So
that's
what
always
happens.
It's
like
yeah.
F
That's
you
know
that
again
helps
but
I
look
at
like
those
are
good.
Examples
of
this
should
help
Drive
the
need
for
Road
standard
changes
of
Asheville,
and
then
your
cottage
development
example
like
that
is
a
you
know.
It's
a
tool,
that's
been
underutilized,
that's
one
that
I
know
the
missing
middle
studies
working
on.
That's
one
that
one
of
my
you
know.
F
I've
got
two
video
amendments
I'm
pushing
through
ones
for
adjusting
flag
lots
to
make
them
more
usable,
and
one
is
the
cottage
development
to
bring
it
down
to
where
it
can
be
used
for
as
fuse
too
it
can
be
used
for
connected
units
because,
right
now
it
just
doesn't
allow
it
and
to
drop
some
of
the
limitations
about
how
they
have
to
position
about
the
greenway,
but
to
make
it
easier
to
use
those
tools
which
is
you
know
what
we
need
to
bring
land
costs
down
right.
A
And
in
this
actually
in
this
site,
if
you
go
by
their
there's
two
houses
on
the
construction
right
now,
it's
12
and
14
Ivy
Street
they're,
both
I
think
just
barely
16
feet
wide
their
single
family
detached
and
they
look
great.
So
I
think
this
is
just
an
interesting
quick
example
of
kind
of
an
evolving
area,
particularly
for
you
know,
insulin,
creative
thinking
on
small
small
Lots.
A
I
A
The
plot
had
a
reference
to
the
Point
Community
act.
I,
don't
know
the
specifics
of
college
development
or
whatnot
I
just
was
looking
at
the
you
know
the
physical
layout
and
form
of
it
saying:
okay,
that's
definitionally
right.
If
it
walks
like
a
dog,
can
talk
it's
like
a
duck.
It
must
be
a
cottage
but
yeah.
It
was
done
under
a
plain
Community
Act.
F
F
Or
had
a
local,
you
know,
there's
I,
don't
know,
there's
anyone
in
the
local
market
who
really
prepares
that
it
would
be
I'd,
be.
You
know
interesting
because
I've
heard,
like
there's
a
little
bit
of
softening
of
rent
prices,
but
I
haven't
seen
it
I
haven't
seen
any
numbers
to
back
it
up.
I,
don't
know
where
it's
always
been
a
conversation.
We
always
decided
it
would
be
helpful
data
steering
data,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
know
of
anyone
in
the
market
who
provides
that.
C
H
Crowdsourced,
it's
a
good
idea.
I
would
say
yes,
because
I
had
a
book.
Yesterday,
I
met
with
Atlanta
Sky
person
and
she
gave
me
the
new,
affordable
book
and
I
was
just
on
all
the
websites
writing
down
the
prices
for
two
bedrooms
and
three
bedroom
apartments:
everything's
over
two
thousand
dollars,
I'm
like
Lord
Jesus,.
C
So
the
trends
you
know
seem
to
be
fairly
steady
with
voucher
utilization
and.
M
M
M
E
K
So
I
do
have
a
question
so
on
the
home
ownership,
my
I
think
is
number
15.,
so
let's
say
11
for
real.
What
is
re-exam
I'm
sorry.
M
K
M
Is
I
believe
it's
done
for
home
ownership
for
for
our
attendant
based
and
and
project.
H
M
B
C
If
there's
no
further
discussion
on
that,
we've
got
Sasha,
you
have
the
updates
on
what
CED
has
been
up
to
affordable
housing,
division
updates.
G
Don't
have
a
lot
of
updates,
actually
I'll
just
say,
Department
wide,
we're
still
we're
hiring
folks,
we
had
a
new
Community
Development
analyst
to
start
this
week,
Deborah
Johnson
from
she's
from
Tennessee
Dennis
Newburn,
who
you
all
met
a
month
or
two
ago
kind
of
stole
her
away
from
his
old
employer
so
and
she's
got
tons
of
Finance
experience.
So
that's,
that's
really.
You
know
she's
focusing
on
cdbg
and
home.
So
that's
super
helpful
I
mean
I.
G
Think
I
talked
to
you
last
month
about
some
promotions
that
happened
with
Kayla
and
you
know
we're
just
in
the
hiring
process
and
kind
of
just
moving
keep
moving
along.
My
focus
is
really
going
to
or
a
big
part
of
my
focus
will
be
right
now,
for
the
next
few
weeks
is
data
the
data
request
from
Enterprise
and
kind
of
feeding
them
information
and
actually
hiring
somebody.
That's
my
new
Focus
as
well,
which.
E
E
N
Three,
director
of
the
department
we
currently
have
funded
I,
think
it's
21
positions
and
in
fact
this
new
budget
cycle
allowed
us
to
have
funding
for
a
brand
new
position
entitled
The
Redevelopment
project
manager,
so
we're
actually
actively
finalizing
the
job
description
for
that
we'll
post
that
soon,
but
the
intent
of
that
position
is
to
help
us
through
City
on
land
Redevelopment.
N
So
that's
a
an
organizational
work
plan
item
that
we've
been
tasked
with
for
this
year
and
so
really
coming
on
the
heels
of
the
319
Biltmore
project,
hoping
to
get
that
closed
soon,
we'll
be
ready
to
prioritize
the
next
slate
of
properties,
and
so
with
that
I
think
that
brings
our
our
overall
head
count
to
21
and
right
now,
I
think
our
open
position
count
is
seven,
so
we
have
seven
open
positions.
That's
I
think
that's
two
in
our
Community
Development
Division
and
so
they're,
a
team
of
sevens.
That's
two!
N
There
Sasha's
down
one
so
they're
a
team
of
two
in
our
affordable
housing
division.
Our
homeless
strategy
is,
is
fully
staffed.
That's
a
team
of
four,
although
one
of
those
is
a
grant
funded
position
through
the
opioid
planning
Grant.
So
just
noting
that
and
then
our
Economic
Development
Division,
that's
really
the
last
one.
That's
been
fully
formed,
and
so
we
are
in
the
process
to
hire
a
business
inclusion
manager,
I'm
kind
of
in
the
final
stages
there.
N
Hopefully
with
that
one,
we
have
an
economic
development,
specialist
vacancy,
that's
currently
posted
and
then
the
Redevelopment
manager
is
there
too,
but
we
have
at
our
real
estate
manager,
start
within
the
last
several
weeks
too.
Kimmy
Hunter
who's,
a
who's
been
kind
of
adjacent
to
city
government
for
a
while,
and
it's
great
to
now
on
board
her
fulfilling
the
role
as
the
real
estate
manager.
So
we're
excited
to
have
her
her
skills
that
she
brings
to
the
table
there
and
then
our
on
my
team.
We
have
my
assistant,
the
business
services
administrator.
N
We
promoted
that
person
into
the
Kayla
role
so
trying
to
you
know,
work
within
a
lot
of
the
shifts
that
we've
had
but
keep
positive,
keep
moving
on
and
really
then
build
out.
The
team
I
think
the
overall
I'm
really
excited
I,
think
our
structure
is
set
so
again,
we've
gone
through
a
big
overhaul,
with
basically
having
two
divisions:
Economic
Development
Community
Development-
to
really
right
sizing
the
workload
for
each
of
the
four
subgroups
that
we
have.
So
thanks
for
your
time.
C
G
So
the
plan
is
to
follow
what
we
did
last
year,
so
December
opening
applications
February
closing
deadline,
so
it
lines
up
with
the
county
lines
up
with
cdbg
and
home
and
then
April
allocations.
C
And
does
our
current
timeline
for
revisions
and
recommendations
to
that
sync
up
with
what
you
would
would
you
like
to
be?
Do
we
need
to
have
those
recommendations
approved
before
you
do
a
requester
proposal
so
that
people
know
what
the
scoring
criteria
that
they're
going
to
be
applying
against
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
yeah.
G
Been
thinking
about
that
and
I
wanted
to
talk
with
Janice,
Ashley
and
legal
about
that
I
think
it
because
I
was
going
to
say
to
you.
We
may
end
up
in
that
same
situation
where
we
were
last
year,
but
if
you
all
were
voting
by
November.
G
G
C
From
in
terms
of
the
work
of
that
task
force,
we
should
really
prioritize
Housing,
Trust
Fund,
maybe.
G
C
That
we
so
that
any
of
those
revisions,
if
we
get
Housing,
Trust
Fund
done
in
and
maybe
discussed
and
voted
on
at
our
next
month's
meeting,
so
that
we
were
teed
up
for
right.
All
of
the
other
steps.
G
Yeah
they're,
like
kind
of
they're,
very
it's
almost
like
apples
and
oranges,
even
though
they
kind
of
have
similar
goals.
You
know
Housing
Trust,
Fund
scoring
criteria
isn't
determining
the
amount
of
money
you're
getting
like
luige
Luigi,
it's
very
tied
to
exactly
how
much
you
qualify
for,
and
it's
a
little
bit
higher
Stakes
kind
of
thing.
Housing
Trust
Fund
is
one
element
of
your
application,
doesn't
determine
whether
or
not
completely
whether
or
not
you
get
money.
Yeah,
okay,.
F
Do
we
have
like,
and
sometimes
in
like
the
department
updates,
we
need,
we
get
just
like
an
update,
what
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
like
just
so.
We
know
ahead
of
time,
because,
if
we're
saying
it's
their
applications,
we
do
in
December
it
means
the
call.
F
G
D
F
D
G
No
I
don't
have
any
so
yeah.
It
looks
like
yeah,
so
I'm
taking.
D
E
A
And
one
thing
to
date,
to
my
understanding,
the
next
steps
in
that
are
for
I
believe
it's
Cascadia
Partners,
that's
the
subconsultant
to
provide
their
gentrification
and
displacement
analysis.
Otherwise,
to
my
knowledge,
you
know
we
on
the
working
group
and
kind
of
a
holding
pattern.
There
was
a
draft
report
released
from
opt
to
Coast
last
month.
We
all
provided
comments,
it's
it
to
my
knowledge.
It
hasn't
been
publicly
released
just
because
of
that
still.
E
A
Still
had
a
bunch
of
holes
in
it
placeholders
but
I
believe
within
the
next
month
that
should
be
coming
out
from
montecos
month
or
two
and
then
also
following
up
with
Cascadia
Partners
on
the
gentrification
displacement
analysis.
It's
supposed
to
missing
middle
just
make
a
quick
plug
that
two
hours
over
the
mountains
in
Knoxville.
They
also
had
a
previous
study
from
opticos
and
they
are
now
actively
considering
zoning
changes
based
on
that
study.
So
just
if
you
want
a
nearby
point
of
comparison,
possibly
that's
actively
going
on
over
there.
C
G
N
G
So
it's
based
on
an
academic
work,
I
shouldn't,
say:
academic
I.
Think
it's
done
by
Professor
out
in
Portland,
who
did
a
very
in-depth
neighborhood,
really
drilled
down.
It
probably
took
a
couple
years:
I
I've
just
glanced
at
it.
Studies.
B
B
G
I'm
not
sure
yeah,
that
sounds
right,
and
so
what
that
person
I
think
it
was
a
female
I
think
what
she
did.
Is
she
created
an
index
using
different
measures
so
you're
looking
at
education
income
race?
Should
you
know
possibly
you
know,
I
think
she
looked
at
race.
G
I'll
say
that
me
I
can't
remember,
but
basically
what
you're
trying
to
get
to
is
like
what's
the
rate
of
change
happening
in
neighborhoods
and
how
do
all
these
factors
kind
of
influence
that
not
influence
it
but
come
together
so
to
create
an
index
to
kind
of
say,
what's
the
risk
for
this
neighborhood
versus
this
neighborhood
in
terms
of
how
fast
is
change
happening
in
this
neighborhood,
so
it's
yeah
I
mean
we
didn't
it
wasn't?
It
was
kind
of
a
in
a
way
for
that
kind
of
study.
G
A
small
budget
I
will
say
so
it's
not
as
in-depth
as
the
Portland
study
for
sure,
but
the
goal
really
is
to
say:
if
Asheville
liberalized
its
zoning
rules
in
terms
of
allowing
so,
for
example,
a
neighborhood,
that's
mostly
RS8
zoning,
which
is
single
family
kind
of
it's
very
typical.
A
lot
of
Montford
Shiloh.
G
Maybe
parts
of
East
End,
you
know
neighborhoods
have
that
zoning,
so
it
only
doesn't
allow
duplexes
it
doesn't
allow
triplexes.
It
doesn't
allow
a
bunch
of
things
if
we
liberalize
that
and
allowed
more
opened
up
more
land.
What
would
happen
because
we
know
that
investment
follows
that,
so
what's
the
risk
of
those
existing,
the
idea
is:
what's
the
risk
of
those
existing
residents
being
displaced
and
or
you
know,
who's
vulnerable
to
that
who's?.
E
G
Of
all
you
know:
what's
the
range,
so
that's
the
idea
and
does
that
influence
how
we
implement
the
recommendations
now
Cascadia
Partners
will
say,
generally
speaking,
they
think
something
should
be
implemented
everywhere,
because
if
you
only
do
it
in
certain
neighborhoods,
then
you
put
more
pressure
on
those
neighborhoods
and
I
think
that's
a
very
kind
of
removed
point
of
view,
I
think
for
people
who
live
here.
It's
a
little
bit
more.
It's
a
different
perspective
right,
yeah.
C
I
mean
that's
a
really
that
is
the
trickiest
part
of
in
my
mind,
as
we
think
about
affordable
housing
and
the
missing
middle
process
is,
on
the
one
hand
it
it
creates
land
to
bury
in
Scott's
point
when
we
were
looking
at
the
housing
data.
C
You
know
it
allows
density,
which
potentially
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
create
more
units
and
more
more
affordable
units,
but
anytime
you're
up
zoning
you're
you're,
basically
creating
wealth
for
those
property
owners
and
so
depending
on
who
has
control
of
ownership
of
that
property.
You
know
it's
a
real,
you
know
it's
a
real
imbalance,
if
you,
if
you
avoid
certain
neighborhoods
because
of
the
pressure
for
gentrification
you're,
also
excluding
those
neighborhoods
from
the
wealth
increase.
C
If
you
and.
C
But
if
you
allow
that
you're
opening
them
up
to
the
potential
that
outside
investors
come
in
and
and
raise
values
in
a
way
that
displaces
existing
residents,
so
I
think
I
mean,
to
my
mind,
as
we
get
into
the
final
stretches,
with
the
missing
middle
piece.
C
I'd
really
like
this
committee
to
to
pay
a
lot
of
attention
to
that
displacement
study
and
how
it
overlays
with
those
missing
middle
tactics,
so
that
we
can
help
advise
around
the
right
kind
of
policies
to
thread
that
needle
it's
a
very
tricky
question
and
the
would
be
a
little
bit
concerned
that
the
displacement
study
that
were
that
we're
having
done
if
it's
following
that
methodology
I
think
that
uses
like
census
tract
data
which
doesn't
necessarily
follow
zoning
districts.
C
To
I
think
to
apply,
maybe
some
of
that
in
the
way
that
we
need
to
to
to
figure
out
how
best
to
make
policy
around
that.
So
just
I
I
want
to
put
a
pin
in
this
piece
of
the
missing
middle
study
which
we've
been
you
know.
C
We've
been
really
excited
about
hearing,
Scott
and
Emily
and
others
on
the
progress
that
they're
making
and
certainly
there's,
there's
ground
to
be
gained
in
in
creating
opportunities
for
more
Innovative
kinds
of
housing
types
that
could
be
more
affordable,
but
I
think
we've
really
got
to
be
focused
on
how
we
thread
this
needle
so
that
it
doesn't
there's
nothing
about
make.
You
know
about
increasing
allowable
density
and
housing
type
that
necessarily
correlates
with
affordability,
unless
we
make
sure
that
the
policies
correlate
with
affordability.
C
F
All
right,
I
will
share
one
thing:
the
the
Udo
amendments.
You
know
that
I've
driven
that
for
flag.
You
know
changing
the
flag,
lots
to
open
up.
You
know
changing
the
flag
lot
size
to
match
what
the
zoning
standards
are
and
then
the
cottage
development
adjusting
it
down
to
two.
So
it's,
but
they
passed
B
and
Z.
So
next
step
would
be
to
go
to
council.
F
Cottage
will
go
right
to
council
flag
lot,
we're
running
through
the
technical
Review
Committee,
which
is
trying
to
get
some
some
constructive
input
from
City
staff.
But
it's
going
to
council,
probably
we're
working
on
a
council
day.
It'll
probably
be
in
October,
but
you
know
those
this
should
have.
You
know
the
goal
was
to
open
up
increased,
affordable
housing,
lots
and
while
that
opens
up
lots
in
general
and
I,
know
the
what
you
know.
F
I
don't
know
the
process,
but
what
I
would
really
love
is
somehow
to
look
at
as
a
parallel
portion
to
that
is
how
do
we?
How
do
we
come
up
with
an
affordable
housing
rebate
or
Housing
Trust
Fund?
That
can
encourage
those
New
Lots
to
be
used
for
affordable
housing
and
I
know.
That's
you
know,
that's
it's.
Definitely
in
my
mindset
like
how
do
we
do
that
and
I?
F
Don't
you
know,
and
even
after
being
on
this
committee
for
school,
you
don't
even
understand
the
process
for
how
we
introduce
that
stuff
other
than
us
submit
our
own
UD.
Awarding
amendments
but
I
think
it's
a
valuable
tool
that
can
align
with
it.
Definitely
in
other
cities,
flag,
lots
and
back
lots
are
used
for
clts,
like
so
I've
thought
about
how
all
these
backlots
can
be.
F
Clt
Lots
can
be
affordable,
easy
rebates
like,
if
someone's
willing
to
do
them
so
I,
don't
even
know
where
you
know
where
that
introduces
in
in
discussion
other
than
you
know
other
than.
If
I
you
know,
become
a
Housing
Trust
Fund
time,
if
I
actually
submit
a
proposal
for
that,
but
you
know
it's
something
that
I
would
love
somehow
to
get
considered
by
the
committee
is
how
do
if
this
is
going
to
open
up
an
abundance
of
New
Lots
in
the
city?
C
That
that
sounds
like
a
great
comment
to
get
into
our
comprehensive
housing
plan
discussion
as
well.
How
we
can
link
all
that
up
and
potential
new
policies
that
are
missing,
I,
think
is,
is
lands
right
in
what
the
work
of
the
Consultants
are
on
that
on
that
piece.
Just.
F
Markets
like
Durham
does
this
a
lot
that
backyard
flag
Lobster
are
sometimes
donated
to
Community
Land
Trust,
then
there's
construction
of
small
rental
houses,
Community
Land
Trust,
a
lot
of
other
places
do
a
lot
more
rentals
than
than
home
ownership,
but
it's
an
option
that
opens
up
like
backyard
lots
for
the
use
of
Community
Land
trusted,
Nations.
Okay,.
C
All
right,
so,
if
there's
nothing
else,
looking
at
Future
agenda
items,
obviously
we've
we've
talked
about
this
already,
bringing
our
Housing
Trust
Fund
and
Luigi's
recommendations
to
this
committee
over
October
and
November
I
think
it
sounds
like
we're
likely
to
hear
from
our
our
plan
Consultants
from
Enterprise
at
some
point
in
in
the
fall
at
one
of
our
meetings,
so
get
that
get
that
on
the
calendar.
C
And
then
we
are,
some
of
you
will
remember
a
couple
years
back.
We
had
a
a
work
session
a
retreat
day
and
so
we're
looking
at
that
again
for
December
7th
in
place
of
our
regular
December
meeting
with
the
idea
of
being,
let's,
let's
spend
a
little
bit
of
time,
onboarding
our
four
new
community
members
and
just
kind
of
regrounding.
That's
also
the
time
when
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
our
work
plan
and
priority
recommendations
for
Council
for
the
new
year.
G
Is
a
operations
commissions
having
a
summit
right
in
October,
and
it's
also
some
of
you
represent
organizations
I
think
some
organizations
are
tabling
or
having
like
going
to
be
there
too,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
at
UNCA
and
so
I
think
it's
gonna
be
a
fairly
large
event
and
it's
important
it's
a
it's
a
way
to
possibly
plug
in.
If
you.
G
F
E
C
C
Okay,
there
is
no
one
in
the
room
to
provide
public
comments,
so
we'll
close
public
comment
at
11
19.
and
unless
there's
any
other
discussion
about
the
board,
I'll
take
a
motion
to
adjourn.